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Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 2: Every Wednesday, we recap our old shows with all new

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Speaker 2: commentary and case updates and general small talk.

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Speaker 1: Today, we're rewinding to episode 120, which we named Live

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Speaker 1: at the Ortheum Theater in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: This episode came out May 10th, 2018.

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Speaker 1: Let's listen to the intro of episode 120.

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Speaker 3: My favorite murder. You know it.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: Who's that? Yeah, that was it.

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Speaker 2: They recognized it.

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Speaker 3: What's up Los Angeles? Now nothing else can go wrong.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Because of that. Hi. My God. The rug's disappearing.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Hi. Hi.

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Speaker 2: It's totally fine.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why this show, I'm nervous about this one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really mad because we're nervous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're mad at ourselves. We're mad at, you know.

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Speaker 2: We've been out all across America doing this show for

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Speaker 2: the past year, year and a half, quite some time.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no. Thank you, Beth. We've gone everywhere but Idaho

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Speaker 3: for some reason. Right? Is that it?

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Speaker 2: Just about.

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Speaker 3: Just about. Alaska.

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Speaker 2: We're coming for you, Alaska.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 2: But then LA, it's a different thing. It's a different

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Speaker 2: beast to come back to our hometown and perform for

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Speaker 2: you here tonight.

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Speaker 3: It's very... Scary. Scary. Yeah, we don't want you guys to, like,

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Speaker 3: if anyone else hates us in fucking Arizona, it gives

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Speaker 3: a shit. I mean, come on.

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Speaker 2: Who are they going to tell?

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Speaker 3: But here, ugh. I know. I could be disowned by

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Speaker 3: my parents that are floating around the audience somewhere. Don't

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Speaker 3: make eye contact. Go there.

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Speaker 2: Shit, you have a ton of parents.

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Speaker 3: Fucking 17 parents over there. I was a handful as

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Speaker 3: a kid. I was hard to parent, so they just

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Speaker 3: passed me around.

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Speaker 2: So they had to call in a bunch of backups

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Speaker 2: and reserves. My dad was going to come, but then

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Speaker 2: he was not sure he could get an aisle seat,

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Speaker 2: so then he was.

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Speaker 3: Just like, forget it. Are you serious? Yeah, because he

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Speaker 3: has a bad hip.

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Speaker 2: And then he's like, eh, I'm going to have to walk.

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Speaker 2: And I was just like, well, cool then.

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Speaker 3: Stay home for sure. Do you know that my dad

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Speaker 3: texted Vince and was like, hey, can I get an

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Speaker 3: aisle seat? Is that a dad thing? It might be. Oh,

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Speaker 3: my God. Aisle's totally a dad thing.

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Speaker 2: Because, you know, you never know if somebody out in

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Speaker 2: the lobby is going to have to write a check

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Speaker 2: for an electric bill and that dad needs to run

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Speaker 2: out there and oversee that shit.

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Speaker 3: Well, he's got to make sure that he put it

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Speaker 3: in your, what is it called that I don't use?

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Speaker 3: You know, when you write down. I don't either. It's

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Speaker 3: called the logbook. Right.

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Speaker 2: It's called a checking logbook.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. That's right. So 80s. Right. Right.

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Speaker 2: No one fucking uses those things anymore. Come on.

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Speaker 3: That's the thing you use to test if the pen

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Speaker 3: is working. That's the thing you use when you're financially responsible.

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Speaker 3: Who's that? I don't know. And like want to keep

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Speaker 3: track of your purchases instead of like wanting to not

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Speaker 3: remember all the horrible purchases you've made.

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Speaker 2: Right? I've always done the thing where you just do,

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Speaker 2: you get whatever the ATM will give you and you go.

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Speaker 2: Like you take it and you fucking go. Oh, you

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Speaker 2: won't give me 40? How about 20?

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Speaker 3: I'll go lower if you will, ATM.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Have you in your life gone, why won't they just

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Speaker 3: give you fives? I don't understand why you can't get smaller.

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Speaker 3: What about, did you ever do the.

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Speaker 2: Thing where you had like 1898 in the bank? So

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Speaker 2: then you write yourself a check for $ 3 that you

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Speaker 2: $ 20 bill.

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Speaker 3: I don't used to know. Oh, I'm the bad one now?

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Speaker 2: Now you turn on me.

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Speaker 3: I'm saying no in a way that that's fucking genius. Right?

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Speaker 3: I wish I had known that when I was crying

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Speaker 3: over not having $ 20. I can write a check. It's fine. Boom.

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Speaker 3: It's just you. What are you going to? You don't

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Speaker 3: have any service fees. You're fine.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to show everybody your cute, cute dress?

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Speaker 3: I do. Okay. Did you see it? Thank you. So

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Speaker 3: look at SSEGM.

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Speaker 2: It has our thing on it.

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Speaker 3: So this is a dress made by a local designer

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Speaker 3: who's super lovely and keeps... for some reason, giving me dresses.

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Speaker 3: I don't, she thinks I'm like, it's good for business.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So she was like, this time she's like in LA

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Speaker 3: and she's like, I'm going to make you a special dress.

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Speaker 3: I'm like, absolutely. But I'm going to pay you this

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Speaker 3: time because, um, and she didn't, she's here April. It's,

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Speaker 3: it's called, uh, May 68 is the company. What's it called?

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Speaker 3: May 68. I'll put it up online. Look it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Welcome around. Welcome around. Welcome around. Yes. Yes. Look it.

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Speaker 3: She can run in that dress. She can hide things

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Speaker 3: in her pockets in that dress. I legit just kind

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Speaker 3: of twisted my ankle running around the rug. Did you

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Speaker 3: for real? Uh-huh. You've got to be careful. And when

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Speaker 3: I was trying to show you that I could put

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Speaker 3: both my hands in my pockets, I almost went, I'll

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Speaker 3: hold this in my mouth. Filthy. What am I doing

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Speaker 2: The live shows are highly sexual and very dangerous.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: Also, what I love about it is this is a

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Speaker 2: straight up The Shining Twins outfit, which is.

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Speaker 3: Come play with me. Or just me. Come play with me.

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Speaker 3: Come play with you by yourself.

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Speaker 2: I would have done it. But I had to wear my... Yeah,

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Speaker 2: tell us about this amazing thing.

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Speaker 3: Guys, please don't. I'll get mad. I'll get mad.

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Speaker 2: Um... Look, I love the Pat Benatar video, Love is

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Speaker 2: a Battlefield. I feel like piling up your dress. You

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Speaker 2: can put, anyone can put on a dress.

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Speaker 3: But putting on a dress.

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Speaker 2: And then piling more dress on that dress and kind

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Speaker 2: of going outward with it is brave. It's high fashion.

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Speaker 3: Is it radical self-acceptance?

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Speaker 2: It's radical self-acceptance through the hugest pockets you can find

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Speaker 2: at Macy's.

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Speaker 3: That's right. These are pockets. I can put anything in here.

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Speaker 3: Pour a bottle of water in there. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: fill my pockets with water and drink out of my

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Speaker 3: pockets for the duration of the show. I love it.

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Speaker 3: Stay hydrated. Oh, my God. Coachella was amazing this year. Oh,

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Speaker 3: my God. Mushrooms. And water. It's the same water. She

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Speaker 3: texted me yesterday while you were at the store looking

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Speaker 3: for dresses and did the fucking classic question that we

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Speaker 3: all know the fucking answer to, which is there is

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Speaker 3: no such thing, which is how much cleavage is too

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Speaker 3: much cleavage.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: There's no such thing.

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Speaker 2: I had to add a panel to this dress because

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Speaker 2: I'm not... I'm not all that interested in wearing a

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Speaker 2: dress anyway, but I certainly wasn't going to go full

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Speaker 3: And this is the best part.

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Speaker 2: So I'm trying, I just grabbed as many black dresses

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Speaker 2: with pockets as I could find in Macy's. And then

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Speaker 2: I went into an abandoned fitting room. This is Macy's.

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Speaker 2: But I went into the first one where you walk in.

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Speaker 2: And trying, I'm in between trying on one dress and

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Speaker 3: No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 2: Very far open. And this lady just kind of goes.

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: And I'm kind of like this. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, shut it. And she goes, she was like

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Speaker 2: kind of bitching.

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Speaker 3: She like shut the door.

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Speaker 2: She goes, sorry, why don't you lock it?

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Speaker 3: It's your fucking fault.

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Speaker 2: So then I'm standing there all shamed, fitting room nude,

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Speaker 2: the worst way you can be.

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Speaker 3: Because you're trying not to look at the mirror that's

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Speaker 3: right here behind you.

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Speaker 2: It's fluorescent lighting. It's against you in every direction.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I was just like, she was wearing a baseball hat.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, wait a second, is this some fucking

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Speaker 2: new shame porn where.

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Speaker 3: They get you like.

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Speaker 2: They trick people.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no.

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Speaker 2: And if it's not, that's my idea. Don't fucking steal it.

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Speaker 3: That's my money. Steven, write that down. Steven! Oh, awesome.

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Speaker 3: He's not here.

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Speaker 2: Just kidding.

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Speaker 3: What if we didn't allow him to come to the L.A. show? Steven,

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Speaker 3: where are you? He's actually down. He's in the car.

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Speaker 3: He's waiting in the car. If we yell your name

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Speaker 3: four times, that's your cue. Get her! Damn it.

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Speaker 2: No, it's fine.

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Speaker 3: You're fine. Everything's fine. It's fine.

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Speaker 2: It's not like at home, it's not like at home.

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Speaker 3: No, no. Look at his shirt, everyone, Selena. He loves

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Speaker 3: cats and Selena and dinosaurs. Oh my gosh, hi. It's scary, huh? Oh,

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Speaker 3: this is great.

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Speaker 2: We told Steven that we wanted him to think of

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Speaker 2: one of his favorite anecdotes from his career of working

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Speaker 2: for us on My Favorite Murder.

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Speaker 3: What have you come up with? We both like coffee.

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Speaker 3: Great one. See you later, Steven.

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Speaker 5: No, when I was thinking about this, the earliest memory

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Speaker 5: that really stuck in my head was when the fireworks

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Speaker 5: went off next to your apartment. And I just feel

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Speaker 5: like in that moment, we were all together like, what

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Speaker 5: the fuck is happening?

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Speaker 3: Cats are going everywhere. And we were just like, all right,

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Speaker 3: let's just get back to business. We didn't even edit

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Speaker 3: it out. It was just like, well, let's keep going.

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Speaker 2: We were like, let's set the tone with this level

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Speaker 2: of professionalism. So that all the expectations are as low

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Speaker 2: as possible.

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Speaker 3: Someone said they swerved in their car when they heard it,

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Speaker 3: when they were listening in the car.

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Speaker 2: It happens.

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Speaker 3: That was fun. That was great.

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Speaker 2: Steven, you've done a great job.

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Speaker 3: You've done it. We love you.

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Speaker 2: We love you, Steven. Of course the sound guy talks

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Speaker 2: about some crazy sound thing that happened one time.

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Speaker 3: How unprofessional we are. The train, there's the ghost train.

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Speaker 3: There's the fucking helicopters. Oh my God, there have been

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Speaker 3: so many sounds over the years. Let's talk about sounds.

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Speaker 2: It's nuts.

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Speaker 3: Oh, we got our makeup done. Show them your face.

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Speaker 3: Like professionals.

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Speaker 2: I was like, please give me a strong eyebrow. And

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Speaker 2: she was like, I got you, girl.

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Speaker 3: it's a podcast. Oh, no. Elvis? There's a fucking baby here.

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Speaker 3: What if someone who knew I wasn't at home right

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this rug is not going to pay for itself.

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Speaker 3: Or hers. I did that to myself before the show. Oh,

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Speaker 3: this is my favorite murder the podcast. Oh, yes. This

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Speaker 3: is Karen Kilgariff. This is Georgia Hardstock.

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: That baby. Number one, first and foremost. First and foremost, baby.

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Speaker 3: God. Baby's at the show.

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Speaker 3: I would have gone acrylics, certainly. That's kind of advanced art. Yeah. Well.

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Speaker 3: Who knows? I mean. Steven spilled my water. I don't

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Speaker 3: Yelling sorry doesn't help.

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Speaker 2: He just goes, sorry. Sorry. Millennial. Thank God for Steven.

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Speaker 3: Yep. Let us pray. Dear Jesus. Oh, I'm Jewish. Oh,

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Speaker 3: That was a fun opening. I wish they could all

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Speaker 2: It looked like we were in a movie about people

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Speaker 2: This show was so fun, though, because it really did

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Speaker 2: It felt very like everyone was right there with us.

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Speaker 2: And of course, Steven, who was holding his own in

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Speaker 1: Oh, and this fucking episode, I do the Los Feliz

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Speaker 3: And I got to do it live too. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can feel my excitement that I get to tell

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Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Oh my God. Completely.

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Speaker 3: This is one of your classics, too. Like, this is.

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Speaker 2: I think we both, we each have, like, a more

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. So good. All right. Let's start, then. Let's get

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Speaker 2: It is, such a fucking horrible story, and it just

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 2: Clap politely because you wish it was the fucking Hellside Stranglers.

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Speaker 3: You creeps.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to start by... Can we bring up her

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Speaker 2: It's real good. She's at a bar.

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Speaker 2: And the cool thing about this, too, is it all

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Speaker 3: It's like everyone... She starts.

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Speaker 2: So you're going to love how local it is.

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Speaker 3: Picture a beer right there.

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Speaker 2: Girl, she drank day and night. And also finger waves.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Which we love. Absolutely. Love and respect.

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Speaker 4: Perm.

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Speaker 3: That's a straight up perm. Do you think it's a perm?

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Speaker 2: I'm going to start by reading you.

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Speaker 3: This is the.

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Speaker 2: She wrote an autobiography in 1947 called Newspaper Woman.

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Speaker 3: That's all one word. So....

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Speaker 2: Here's the dust jacket for newspaper woman. Agnes Underwood has

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Speaker 2: written a crackling, breezy, no-words-minced account of her behind-the-news experiences

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Speaker 3: Shit.

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Speaker 2: Remember back when there was just fucking explosions on the

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Speaker 3: Just like... You know, all those explosions that kept happening.

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Speaker 3: No!

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Speaker 2: Very similar.

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Speaker 3: Oh, no.

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Speaker 2: Racetrack openings. Oh, that's the end of that list. In

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Speaker 3: We're still in the dust jacket, I swear to God.

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Speaker 3: Are you reading us the book?

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 2: And page 29. She has dodged flying embers, been half drowned,

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Speaker 3: She's not a very good reporter, I don't think, if

449
00:23:29,330 --> 00:23:31,370
Speaker 3: those things are fucking happening. She's kind of.

450
00:23:31,330 --> 00:23:33,930
Speaker 2: Like, she has a Columbo thing where she just keeps

451
00:23:33,970 --> 00:23:36,210
Speaker 2: getting trapped in a brush fire. And she's just like,

452
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:39,540
Speaker 2: excuse me, ma'am, can I ask one more question? About

453
00:23:39,580 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: this brush fire. Choked by tear gas. Now this seasoned

454
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 2: reporter has checked back over her stories to tell how

455
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,899
Speaker 2: she lined up exclusives and persuaded tough ones to talk.

456
00:23:49,820 --> 00:23:52,659
Speaker 2: How she got pictures when the subjects were belligerent. How

457
00:23:52,700 --> 00:23:54,640
Speaker 2: she talked her way into hostile homes.

458
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:59,420
Speaker 3: What? How she copes with Hollywood press agents.

459
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 2: And how the Los Angeles reporters cut the stars down

460
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 2: to size. Yeah.

461
00:24:05,820 --> 00:24:11,890
Speaker 3: Fuck them. The reason we all live here. Hard, garish,

462
00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:14,330
Speaker 3: rough through her, though her work has been. Whoops.

463
00:24:14,730 --> 00:24:17,210
Speaker 2: She has loved it. Her memoirs reveal how she convinced

464
00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:19,859
Speaker 2: skeptics that a woman can run a city desk and

465
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: raise a family by telephone.

466
00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:25,820
Speaker 3: Whoops. Wait, what? Don't do that.

467
00:24:27,420 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 2: Okay, put your brother on. How much is it bleeding?

468
00:24:33,070 --> 00:24:33,850
Speaker 3: In courts.

469
00:24:33,869 --> 00:24:34,030
Speaker 4: Yes.

470
00:24:35,180 --> 00:24:37,040
Speaker 2: Without blowing up under pressure.

471
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,370
Speaker 3: That was the last line. Exploding. Those explosions. Without exploding.

472
00:24:41,430 --> 00:24:44,830
Speaker 2: Those were all, the explosions were reporters all around Los Angeles.

473
00:24:45,430 --> 00:24:46,310
Speaker 3: It's too much.

474
00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:46,970
Speaker 4: Okay.

475
00:24:47,810 --> 00:24:50,010
Speaker 2: So we'll start with her early life. Aggie Underwood was

476
00:24:50,050 --> 00:24:54,600
Speaker 2: born Agnes Mae Wilson on December 17th, 1902 in San Francisco.

477
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,160
Speaker 3: Isn't it the best?

478
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,679
Speaker 2: And it's so green up there. And the people are

479
00:25:00,740 --> 00:25:01,480
Speaker 2: so nice.

480
00:25:02,300 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 3: And it's so cheap.

481
00:25:03,380 --> 00:25:04,580
Speaker 2: It's cheap to live there.

482
00:25:06,150 --> 00:25:08,070
Speaker 3: It's a bargain. Her father was a.

483
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:09,430
Speaker 2: Glassblower, huh?

484
00:25:09,450 --> 00:25:10,730
Speaker 3: We can make money off that?

485
00:25:10,890 --> 00:25:14,890
Speaker 2: I mean, her mother, so her mother dies when she's

486
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:18,740
Speaker 2: six in childbirth. Her father had to travel for work,

487
00:25:18,980 --> 00:25:22,919
Speaker 2: so he sends her and her younger sister off.

488
00:25:22,780 --> 00:25:25,199
Speaker 3: To family in Illinois and Indiana.

489
00:25:26,010 --> 00:25:28,650
Speaker 2: And long story short, yes, let's hear it for those

490
00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:29,830
Speaker 2: two great.

491
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: States out in the middle. Wait, I feel like he

492
00:25:33,130 --> 00:25:35,169
Speaker 3: was lying when he was like, I got to travel

493
00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: for glass blowing. I want to get rid of these

494
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 3: kids because I don't want to parent them by myself

495
00:25:40,460 --> 00:25:43,660
Speaker 3: right now. Yes, and I think if it's 1902 and

496
00:25:43,700 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 3: it's an Irish family in San Francisco, we've got some

497
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,980
Speaker 3: alcoholism issues that maybe some people don't want to talk

498
00:25:51,020 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: about on the.

499
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,460
Speaker 2: Dust jacket cover of their book. So they go to

500
00:25:56,500 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 2: live with family, and she basically says the families were dicks,

501
00:26:00,460 --> 00:26:03,469
Speaker 2: and then they get moved into foster care. At one

502
00:26:03,510 --> 00:26:05,709
Speaker 2: abusive home, Aggie pours ketchup on the head of her

503
00:26:05,750 --> 00:26:08,250
Speaker 2: foster mother to protect her little sister from a beating.

504
00:26:08,369 --> 00:26:11,389
Speaker 3: And then her hair was real shiny afterwards. Oh, no,

505
00:26:11,410 --> 00:26:13,670
Speaker 3: you're thinking of mayonnaise. Oh, right.

506
00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 2: That's a mayonnaise treatment.

507
00:26:14,859 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 3: What does ketchup do? Skunks. Right, she didn't smell like

508
00:26:17,460 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: a skunk anymore.

509
00:26:19,950 --> 00:26:21,649
Speaker 2: My mom once told me that in nursing school, she

510
00:26:21,690 --> 00:26:23,750
Speaker 2: was so broke that she and her friend used to

511
00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:26,129
Speaker 2: go to diners and they would order a bowl of

512
00:26:26,190 --> 00:26:28,750
Speaker 2: hot water and put ketchup in it and then eat

513
00:26:28,790 --> 00:26:32,780
Speaker 2: the free crackers and drink homemade tomato soup. Isn't that

514
00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:35,820
Speaker 2: simply the grossest thing you've ever heard in your life?

515
00:26:37,180 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 3: Oh no. Yeah. Um, okay.

516
00:26:39,619 --> 00:26:42,590
Speaker 2: So, so Aggie's super smart. She actually, in school, she

517
00:26:42,660 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 2: skipped a grade three different times. Um, But she ends up,

518
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,620
Speaker 2: when she's a sophomore in high school, she's like, this

519
00:26:49,700 --> 00:26:50,280
Speaker 2: isn't for me.

520
00:26:50,300 --> 00:26:53,000
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm 12. This isn't working for me. I'm 12.

521
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 2: Everyone's older. I don't get their references.

522
00:26:56,540 --> 00:26:58,949
Speaker 3: Right. So she drops out.

523
00:26:59,270 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 2: And in November 1918, when she's 16 years old, she

524
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 2: goes to live with a relative in San Francisco. The

525
00:27:05,580 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: relative has an apartment on Geary Street. This is like

526
00:27:08,660 --> 00:27:09,780
Speaker 2: a deeply sad story.

527
00:27:09,980 --> 00:27:12,070
Speaker 3: She knew that she would have to work for a living.

528
00:27:12,170 --> 00:27:15,290
Speaker 2: So she went out to get a job. And I mean,

529
00:27:15,390 --> 00:27:17,670
Speaker 2: it's 1918 in San Francisco.

530
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:20,609
Speaker 3: So she's like, I'll sell matchsticks or whatever.

531
00:27:20,630 --> 00:27:24,280
Speaker 2: And But she wants to contribute to the household, so

532
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 2: she goes to try to get a job. And after

533
00:27:26,180 --> 00:27:30,180
Speaker 2: a few days of job hunting that's unsuccessful, she comes

534
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,770
Speaker 2: back to the apartment only to discover that her relative

535
00:27:32,810 --> 00:27:37,090
Speaker 2: has moved out, leaving Underwood broke alone and homeless.

536
00:27:37,130 --> 00:27:38,230
Speaker 3: What a dick.

537
00:27:38,650 --> 00:27:43,459
Speaker 2: So then, this is so Dickensian, next level. she's got

538
00:27:43,540 --> 00:27:46,300
Speaker 2: another female relative that lives in LA and the female

539
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:47,980
Speaker 2: relative is like, you can come and live with me.

540
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,659
Speaker 2: And then when she gets there, she realizes that her

541
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:53,369
Speaker 2: relative was only inviting her to live there because she

542
00:27:53,420 --> 00:27:54,590
Speaker 2: wanted to make her into.

543
00:27:54,430 --> 00:27:55,430
Speaker 3: A child star.

544
00:27:56,030 --> 00:27:58,450
Speaker 2: And so then when Aggie was like, yeah, that's not

545
00:27:58,490 --> 00:28:01,409
Speaker 2: my bag at all. She was like, Oh, then you

546
00:28:01,450 --> 00:28:05,949
Speaker 2: can't live here anymore. So then she once again is homeless. Uh, at,

547
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:07,619
Speaker 2: I think by that time she was 17. So, um,

548
00:28:09,740 --> 00:28:12,350
Speaker 2: She gets a job at the Broadway department store down

549
00:28:12,380 --> 00:28:15,450
Speaker 2: here in downtown Los Angeles, and she moves into a

550
00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:20,610
Speaker 2: Salvation Army home. And then in 1920, she's 18, she's

551
00:28:20,650 --> 00:28:22,740
Speaker 2: now got a job at the Pig & Whistle downtown.

552
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:23,100
Speaker 3: Oh, nice.

553
00:28:23,580 --> 00:28:23,859
Speaker 2: Right?

554
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:25,070
Speaker 3: You've heard of it.

555
00:28:25,210 --> 00:28:28,149
Speaker 2: You've been super shit-faced there. You've tried to play darts

556
00:28:28,210 --> 00:28:30,840
Speaker 2: when you were super shit-faced. You hit your friend in

557
00:28:30,859 --> 00:28:31,180
Speaker 2: the leg.

558
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 3: You know the story. Oh, no.

559
00:28:33,380 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 2: So when she's working there as a waitress, she meets

560
00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 2: one of her coworkers was a soda jerk named Harry Underwood.

561
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,790
Speaker 2: And one day she comes to work and she's all

562
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:45,230
Speaker 2: upset because that relative that had tried to make her

563
00:28:45,250 --> 00:28:47,530
Speaker 2: into a child star shows up again and says, if

564
00:28:47,610 --> 00:28:49,070
Speaker 2: you don't come back, move in with me.

565
00:28:49,490 --> 00:28:50,590
Speaker 3: Give me all your paychecks.

566
00:28:51,850 --> 00:28:54,410
Speaker 2: I will turn you into the authorities for living by

567
00:28:54,430 --> 00:28:55,390
Speaker 2: yourself underage.

568
00:28:56,130 --> 00:28:57,470
Speaker 3: And she's freaking out about it.

569
00:28:57,530 --> 00:29:00,890
Speaker 2: So Harry Underwood says, well, your relative wouldn't have a

570
00:29:00,910 --> 00:29:03,650
Speaker 2: case if we were married. So they get married. It's

571
00:29:03,710 --> 00:29:06,650
Speaker 2: the most romantic story you've ever heard.

572
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:10,030
Speaker 3: If they stay together, that's the sweetest thing I've ever heard.

573
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:12,710
Speaker 3: If he's a dick, then I'm going to be bummed.

574
00:29:12,790 --> 00:29:16,620
Speaker 2: It seems like Harry Underwood was fine. They eventually get divorced.

575
00:29:16,780 --> 00:29:17,340
Speaker 3: Eventually.

576
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: Because she's such a working woman, but You know, sometimes

577
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:22,360
Speaker 2: people grow apart.

578
00:29:22,380 --> 00:29:26,780
Speaker 3: It's true. Especially when you're trying to raise a family

579
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:31,390
Speaker 3: by the phone. Right? It's so hard. Your ear hurts

580
00:29:31,450 --> 00:29:33,590
Speaker 3: and you get like a shoulder cramp. Plus back then

581
00:29:33,610 --> 00:29:36,170
Speaker 3: it was the finger dial thing. It took fucking forever

582
00:29:36,210 --> 00:29:36,450
Speaker 3: to call it.

583
00:29:36,490 --> 00:29:39,270
Speaker 2: She started raising the family like this and she finally

584
00:29:39,310 --> 00:29:40,370
Speaker 2: got to move to this.

585
00:29:40,390 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: Broadway 129. Broadway 3247. Come in Broadway 3247.

586
00:29:49,710 --> 00:29:52,570
Speaker 2: So they get married, and they very quickly, this is

587
00:29:52,610 --> 00:29:54,180
Speaker 2: how I read it in one of the articles, they

588
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,180
Speaker 2: quickly had two children, which is exactly how the Irish

589
00:29:57,220 --> 00:30:00,230
Speaker 2: do it. As quickly as possible, just back them.

590
00:30:00,180 --> 00:30:02,990
Speaker 3: Right up against each other, and then they can take

591
00:30:03,030 --> 00:30:05,350
Speaker 3: care of each other. Perfect.

592
00:30:06,460 --> 00:30:10,450
Speaker 2: Okay, so her illustrious career starts in 1926. She's a

593
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:14,810
Speaker 2: mother of two. The family is, you know, kind of broke.

594
00:30:16,170 --> 00:30:19,630
Speaker 2: Her sister is living with them, too. Her sister's working. Obviously,

595
00:30:19,690 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 2: Harry Underwood is a high-level soda jerk.

596
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:24,570
Speaker 3: And so she....

597
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,570
Speaker 2: She's frustrated because she wants silk stockings, which is what

598
00:30:29,610 --> 00:30:31,570
Speaker 2: everyone wears, but they can't afford them. She has to

599
00:30:31,610 --> 00:30:35,570
Speaker 2: wear her little sister's hand-me-down silk stockings. So she goes

600
00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:37,070
Speaker 2: to Harry one day, and she's like, you need to

601
00:30:37,090 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: buy me a new pair of silk stockings. And he's like,

602
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 2: no way. And she's like, fine, I'll buy them myself.

603
00:30:42,180 --> 00:30:43,780
Speaker 2: And then she's like, oh, shit, I don't have any

604
00:30:43,820 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 2: money or a job. And she didn't really have any

605
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 2: intention of getting a job. And then the next day,

606
00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:52,900
Speaker 2: her very close friend, Evelyn Connors, calls her and goes, hey,

607
00:30:52,940 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: do you have any interest in working the switchboard at

608
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,500
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles Daily Record? And so she's like, hell yes,

609
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,180
Speaker 2: because she wants them stockings, girl.

610
00:31:01,260 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 3: This is an I Love Lucy plot line, isn't it? Probably.

611
00:31:05,060 --> 00:31:07,480
Speaker 3: I remember this episode. Oh, no, I'm sorry.

612
00:31:07,620 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: I'm reading a bunch of I Love Lucy episodes.

613
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:14,610
Speaker 3: This is the other podcast that you do. I love Lucy.

614
00:31:14,830 --> 00:31:17,190
Speaker 2: And then they ate chocolate after chocolate.

615
00:31:19,710 --> 00:31:19,990
Speaker 3: Okay.

616
00:31:20,850 --> 00:31:25,140
Speaker 2: So, yeah, that all comes together. She was also the

617
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: author of The Secret.

618
00:31:26,380 --> 00:31:28,780
Speaker 3: Just kidding. That's not true. That's not true.

619
00:31:30,260 --> 00:31:34,600
Speaker 2: So in October of 1926, Agnes reports to 612 Wall Street,

620
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,150
Speaker 2: which is literally within walking distance of where we are

621
00:31:37,210 --> 00:31:37,710
Speaker 2: right now.

622
00:31:37,790 --> 00:31:40,190
Speaker 3: Let's all go there right now. Let's walk there.

623
00:31:43,620 --> 00:31:47,020
Speaker 2: She begins her job as a switchboard operator, and because

624
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: of her work ethic and her personality, she earns the

625
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:56,410
Speaker 2: attention of the women's section editor, a woman whose working

626
00:31:56,470 --> 00:32:00,190
Speaker 2: name was Cynthia Gray, but whose real name was Gertrude Pierce.

627
00:32:00,250 --> 00:32:01,410
Speaker 3: Yes, it was. Right?

628
00:32:01,590 --> 00:32:04,780
Speaker 2: Because it's 1927 and Aggie and Gertrude are going to

629
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: be best fucking friends.

630
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:06,660
Speaker 3: Aggie and Gertie.

631
00:32:07,020 --> 00:32:07,420
Speaker 2: Gertie.

632
00:32:07,620 --> 00:32:10,060
Speaker 3: Aggie and Gert. Aggie and Gert. A and G. Let's

633
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,100
Speaker 3: just keep fucking shortening them. Because they don't have time.

634
00:32:12,140 --> 00:32:13,140
Speaker 3: It's a newspaper. No.

635
00:32:13,180 --> 00:32:17,970
Speaker 2: There's no time. None. They even shortened A and G

636
00:32:17,990 --> 00:32:22,990
Speaker 2: down to a series of specific nods. That was worth

637
00:32:23,050 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: trying to spit out. Okay.

638
00:32:24,380 --> 00:32:24,490
Speaker 4: Okay.

639
00:32:27,290 --> 00:32:29,350
Speaker 3: So Gertrude Gertie G.

640
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:32,450
Speaker 2: Price takes her under her wing because she can tell

641
00:32:32,490 --> 00:32:35,900
Speaker 2: she's super smart, she's a fast learner, and she basically

642
00:32:35,940 --> 00:32:40,820
Speaker 2: makes her her catch-all assistant. And then in December of 1927,

643
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: this story breaks in the newsroom while Aggie's there, and it's...

644
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 2: There was a notorious child murderer named William Edward Hickman.

645
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,820
Speaker 2: He kidnapped and murdered a 12-year-old girl. And he was

646
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: on the run.

647
00:32:52,500 --> 00:32:56,110
Speaker 3: I know this one. You know that story? It's so sad. Why? Oh,

648
00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 3: you don't know it? No. Oh, you're probably going to

649
00:32:57,620 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: tell it. Just tell me really quick.

650
00:32:58,700 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 2: Well, they're not paying attention.

651
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,100
Speaker 3: I'll tell you later. Okay.

652
00:33:02,900 --> 00:33:05,020
Speaker 2: I know he chopped her up. Yeah. Yeah.

653
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,660
Speaker 3: But it gets worse. Worse than chopping up?

654
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 2: Yeah.

655
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 3: Blended? Blended up?

656
00:33:13,180 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 4: Yeah.

657
00:33:16,110 --> 00:33:17,710
Speaker 3: No, I'll do it one day, but it's like not

658
00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:18,790
Speaker 3: the kind of one you want to tell in front

659
00:33:18,810 --> 00:33:20,550
Speaker 3: of an audience. Especially when there's a fucking baby.

660
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:31,479
Speaker 2: That baby's over there smiling. Pacifier. Oh, by the way,

661
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,260
Speaker 2: if you're here because your friend brought you and you've

662
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: never heard this podcast, super sorry.

663
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,220
Speaker 3: They'll explain later.

664
00:33:42,030 --> 00:33:44,250
Speaker 2: So she's standing in the newsroom when this story breaks.

665
00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:45,350
Speaker 3: This guy was arrested.

666
00:33:45,450 --> 00:33:48,910
Speaker 2: Now he's on the run. And around her, the newsroom explodes.

667
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,340
Speaker 2: And she says... Explosion. Oh, fuck.

668
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 3: What if I.

669
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,900
Speaker 2: That's just me trying to lace a theme through my

670
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Speaker 2: own story. And it was an explosion of a murder.

671
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:06,650
Speaker 2: Thank you all for being here tonight. So this is

672
00:34:06,690 --> 00:34:08,950
Speaker 2: her quote from her book. She says, As the Boltons

673
00:34:09,030 --> 00:34:12,730
Speaker 2: pumped in and Cityside worked furiously at localizing, with.

674
00:34:12,630 --> 00:34:15,009
Speaker 3: No idea what that means, I couldn't keep myself in

675
00:34:15,030 --> 00:34:15,490
Speaker 3: my niche.

676
00:34:15,870 --> 00:34:18,930
Speaker 2: I committed the unpardonable sin of looking over shoulders of

677
00:34:18,969 --> 00:34:22,490
Speaker 2: reporters as they wrote. Which is, I mean, what's worse

678
00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: than that?

679
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:23,939
Speaker 3: It's the eighth deadly sin.

680
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:33,390
Speaker 2: So the newsrooms exploded around her. So basically, she's underfoot. Oh,

681
00:34:33,610 --> 00:34:37,670
Speaker 2: in what I thought was exasperation, Rod Brink, the city editor, said,

682
00:34:37,690 --> 00:34:40,770
Speaker 2: all right, if you're so interested, take this dictation. So

683
00:34:41,430 --> 00:34:44,650
Speaker 2: I typed the dictation. Part of the main running story,

684
00:34:44,830 --> 00:34:47,180
Speaker 2: I was sunk. I wanted to be a reporter. So

685
00:34:47,219 --> 00:34:50,939
Speaker 2: she basically got herself into that newsroom, weaseled around, pissed

686
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,940
Speaker 2: somebody off, and then got a job as a reporter,

687
00:34:52,980 --> 00:34:54,700
Speaker 2: which is so reporter-y.

688
00:34:54,900 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: It's amazing.

689
00:34:55,500 --> 00:34:55,580
Speaker 4: Yeah.

690
00:34:56,020 --> 00:34:58,180
Speaker 3: It's kind of how we got this podcast a little bit.

691
00:34:59,020 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: We got underfoot. It's under Steven's foot.

692
00:35:01,940 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: And then a man let us have it. Thank you, sir. Okay.

693
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:14,410
Speaker 3: So her bosses, uh, she, she clearly wants the job.

694
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:16,930
Speaker 2: She's super smart and she's got like that little, she's

695
00:35:16,969 --> 00:35:19,049
Speaker 2: got that Irish psychic thing where she kind of like

696
00:35:19,090 --> 00:35:21,430
Speaker 2: pays a lot of attention. She knows she can see

697
00:35:21,469 --> 00:35:24,750
Speaker 2: what people are doing. She's canny, canny as they say.

698
00:35:26,090 --> 00:35:28,590
Speaker 2: And she also becomes very well known for being fearless

699
00:35:28,730 --> 00:35:32,490
Speaker 2: and tireless. She has an insane work ethic, and she's unconventional.

700
00:35:32,570 --> 00:35:36,340
Speaker 2: So in 1933, there was a huge earthquake in Long Beach.

701
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,460
Speaker 2: She got sent to report on it, and she brought

702
00:35:38,540 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 2: her son and husband.

703
00:35:43,900 --> 00:35:51,459
Speaker 3: She'd do stuff like that. Also, and I bet... Just read.

704
00:35:51,540 --> 00:35:52,050
Speaker 3: Just read.

705
00:35:52,070 --> 00:35:55,129
Speaker 2: We're on a clock. She also became known for her,

706
00:35:56,270 --> 00:36:00,170
Speaker 2: as they call them, hard-boiled quips, which is also.

707
00:35:59,969 --> 00:36:00,689
Speaker 3: What I'm known for.

708
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:02,790
Speaker 2: Hard-boiled quips.

709
00:36:03,310 --> 00:36:04,629
Speaker 3: They smell, but if you put.

710
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:06,110
Speaker 2: A little salt on them, they're so good.

711
00:36:06,450 --> 00:36:08,989
Speaker 3: Truffle salt. It's even better. You have it.

712
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 2: So she went to the autopsy of the actress Thelma Todd.

713
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:13,740
Speaker 3: Okay.

714
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:18,500
Speaker 2: Okay. And they're all standing around in the morgue. The

715
00:36:18,540 --> 00:36:21,370
Speaker 2: body is under the sheet. and there's like a legendary

716
00:36:21,390 --> 00:36:23,310
Speaker 2: story about her. She turned to the guy standing next

717
00:36:23,330 --> 00:36:25,350
Speaker 2: to her and said, can you imagine what any of

718
00:36:25,390 --> 00:36:27,290
Speaker 2: these guys would have given to be under a sheet

719
00:36:27,350 --> 00:36:28,170
Speaker 2: with Thelma Todd?

720
00:36:28,450 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 3: Oh my God. That's very disrespectful.

721
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:32,900
Speaker 2: What?

722
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 3: Excuse? What?

723
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:36,720
Speaker 2: Why do you care all of a sudden?

724
00:36:38,410 --> 00:36:41,750
Speaker 3: They're mad. Come on, she was in there slugging it

725
00:36:41,790 --> 00:36:43,770
Speaker 3: out with the boys. Why are there reporters in an

726
00:36:43,870 --> 00:36:48,280
Speaker 3: autopsy to begin with is our question. Is that anyone's question?

727
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,380
Speaker 2: Before 1975, reporters were invited to everything. Just anything that happened.

728
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,460
Speaker 2: They'd be like, let's get four reporters down here.

729
00:36:54,980 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 3: Well, and at the time, in 1926, there were six.

730
00:36:58,710 --> 00:37:01,529
Speaker 2: Newspapers in Los Angeles that were competing against each other.

731
00:37:01,630 --> 00:37:04,900
Speaker 2: Six major newspapers. So it's kind of, it's obviously how

732
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: everybody got their news.

733
00:37:06,260 --> 00:37:11,210
Speaker 3: Why did I say that? It's how everybody got their news. Newspapers.

734
00:37:11,870 --> 00:37:16,489
Speaker 2: Look it up in the newspaper. She ends up working

735
00:37:16,510 --> 00:37:20,190
Speaker 2: at the Daily Record for nine years, and she gets

736
00:37:20,250 --> 00:37:24,270
Speaker 2: this reputation as being a crack reporter and a badass.

737
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: And so the people at the Hearst Corporation hear about her,

738
00:37:27,700 --> 00:37:30,660
Speaker 2: and they offer her a job at the Herald Examiner,

739
00:37:30,700 --> 00:37:33,800
Speaker 2: a competing newspaper that was way bigger than the Daily Record.

740
00:37:34,380 --> 00:37:37,760
Speaker 2: But she says no thanks. They offer it a second time. Again,

741
00:37:37,860 --> 00:37:38,580
Speaker 2: she says no.

742
00:37:38,700 --> 00:37:40,540
Speaker 3: They just offer it again, or they give her more money?

743
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,469
Speaker 2: No, right after. They were like, do you want it?

744
00:37:42,469 --> 00:37:43,010
Speaker 3: Are you sure?

745
00:37:43,030 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: Do you want it?

746
00:37:43,890 --> 00:37:44,250
Speaker 3: Yeah.

747
00:37:45,830 --> 00:37:51,790
Speaker 2: Took four minutes. Get one of those rubber thumb.

748
00:37:51,550 --> 00:37:54,970
Speaker 3: Things to turn pages faster. Write that down. The money thing.

749
00:37:54,989 --> 00:37:56,470
Speaker 2: Get a money thumb.

750
00:37:56,610 --> 00:37:57,950
Speaker 3: Hit the staples button.

751
00:37:57,969 --> 00:38:02,850
Speaker 2: Uh, the staples near my house closed and I've never

752
00:38:02,890 --> 00:38:07,030
Speaker 2: been more scared in my life. It's pretty much the end, right?

753
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's over. It's over. Okay.

754
00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:11,340
Speaker 2: Let's have a great time tonight, everybody.

755
00:38:13,620 --> 00:38:16,480
Speaker 3: Oh, okay. Great. Good. Just them. Balconies into it.

756
00:38:17,060 --> 00:38:17,850
Speaker 2: I don't know what.

757
00:38:17,780 --> 00:38:23,230
Speaker 3: Orchestra is that. Can I get an amen from the

758
00:38:23,489 --> 00:38:29,790
Speaker 3: thing over there? Oh, thanks. Oh, yeah. Super, super Christians.

759
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: But in 1935, the Daily Record gets sold to the

760
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 2: Illustrated Daily News.

761
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,719
Speaker 3: What are these papers? So she decides she's, quote, ready

762
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:43,780
Speaker 3: to go work for Hearst.

763
00:38:44,590 --> 00:38:47,390
Speaker 2: So she takes the job covering what was called the

764
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:49,930
Speaker 2: milk route. So she had to be at work at.

765
00:38:49,890 --> 00:38:52,009
Speaker 3: 3.30 in the morning every day. No, no, no, no, no.

766
00:38:52,110 --> 00:38:52,930
Speaker 3: Don't do that. Yeah.

767
00:38:53,610 --> 00:38:57,220
Speaker 2: Driving around the city. We're trying to find crimes and

768
00:38:57,390 --> 00:38:59,220
Speaker 2: accidents and suicides and murders.

769
00:38:59,500 --> 00:38:59,980
Speaker 3: Fun.

770
00:39:00,180 --> 00:39:04,989
Speaker 2: Yeah. In the dark in Los Angeles. And that's around

771
00:39:05,030 --> 00:39:08,380
Speaker 2: the time that she meets a photographer named Perry Fowler.

772
00:39:08,500 --> 00:39:11,300
Speaker 2: And they start working together all the time. They unofficially

773
00:39:11,340 --> 00:39:15,060
Speaker 2: become a team. So the first big story that Aggie

774
00:39:15,100 --> 00:39:19,240
Speaker 2: lands with the Herald Examiner is in January of 1935.

775
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,610
Speaker 3: And it's an interview with Amelia Earhart. Holy shit. Yeah.

776
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:25,509
Speaker 2: She had just made, Amelia Earhart had just made her

777
00:39:25,570 --> 00:39:28,150
Speaker 2: historic flight from Honolulu to Oakland.

778
00:39:28,630 --> 00:39:28,890
Speaker 6: Yeah.

779
00:39:29,090 --> 00:39:31,610
Speaker 3: Okay. And. Glamorous. Right?

780
00:39:32,570 --> 00:39:38,100
Speaker 2: And so she, Aggie, goes to Amelia Earhart's house in

781
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,290
Speaker 2: North Hollywood and waits outside for hours and hours until

782
00:39:41,330 --> 00:39:43,950
Speaker 2: she gets there, and then she gets the interview. And

783
00:39:43,989 --> 00:39:46,790
Speaker 2: she's the first reporter at the newspaper to get the interview,

784
00:39:47,210 --> 00:39:52,060
Speaker 2: so that's badass. I was very rocked by that chunk

785
00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:55,220
Speaker 2: of information when I was doing this, because Amelia Earhart

786
00:39:55,260 --> 00:39:56,739
Speaker 2: lived in North Hollywood.

787
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,339
Speaker 3: And that....

788
00:39:59,469 --> 00:40:02,350
Speaker 2: If you're not from around here, it's fucking bizarre.

789
00:40:02,370 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, but back then it was fucking sprawling ranches and

790
00:40:06,380 --> 00:40:09,299
Speaker 3: shit and things here and over there. It's not like

791
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 3: the fucking clown liquor store like it is now. Oh,

792
00:40:11,260 --> 00:40:11,410
Speaker 3: it is.

793
00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 2: It's exactly the clown liquor store. When the fuck do

794
00:40:13,660 --> 00:40:14,770
Speaker 2: you think that thing went up?

795
00:40:15,350 --> 00:40:16,950
Speaker 3: It's the clown liquor store and only.

796
00:40:16,969 --> 00:40:19,750
Speaker 2: It was like a tree and then that clown. And

797
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:22,830
Speaker 2: then Amelia Earhart's gorgeous ranch-style house.

798
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:25,890
Speaker 3: Not everyone knows that clown was always there. No one

799
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:26,890
Speaker 3: knows how it got there.

800
00:40:26,910 --> 00:40:28,609
Speaker 2: Also, no one knows that you're not supposed to look

801
00:40:28,650 --> 00:40:30,529
Speaker 2: that clown straight in the eyes.

802
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:33,030
Speaker 3: Or you'll get drunk.

803
00:40:35,550 --> 00:40:36,819
Speaker 2: Time to go stare at a clown.

804
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:36,910
Speaker 6: Bye!

805
00:40:43,100 --> 00:40:45,580
Speaker 2: So she works punishing hours in every type of weather.

806
00:40:45,860 --> 00:40:48,390
Speaker 2: She never bothers to buy a raincoat or a hat.

807
00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:51,410
Speaker 3: Oh, come on, honey. I mean, seriously. Radical self-care.

808
00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:56,989
Speaker 2: And acceptance after the care. One year, she's assigned to

809
00:40:57,010 --> 00:41:01,410
Speaker 2: cover the Rose Bowl Parade, and she's... It rains the

810
00:41:01,450 --> 00:41:04,450
Speaker 2: entire time and she's super pissed, but not because she's

811
00:41:04,469 --> 00:41:07,549
Speaker 2: being rained on, but because the rains were causing floods

812
00:41:07,700 --> 00:41:09,819
Speaker 2: and that's where she wanted to be reporting. She was

813
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,500
Speaker 2: super pissed that she got assigned to the Rose Bowl.

814
00:41:12,540 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: Fuck yeah, man. Floods are crazy. What do you think

815
00:41:17,540 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 3: about floods? Crazy. Mm-hmm.

816
00:41:21,540 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: Once when covering a fire in Malibu, started.

817
00:41:24,300 --> 00:41:26,620
Speaker 3: By an explosion, a policeman.

818
00:41:27,620 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 2: Tries to block her from going into the danger zone.

819
00:41:30,140 --> 00:41:34,060
Speaker 2: And this, like, senior sheriff's deputy walks up and goes,

820
00:41:34,500 --> 00:41:35,460
Speaker 2: it's all right, lad.

821
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: So he was Irish.

822
00:41:37,180 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 2: Everybody in this story is Irish. She's been to a

823
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:40,839
Speaker 2: hell of a lot more things than you have.

824
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,460
Speaker 3: Go on through. And then fucking, the tiger starts playing

825
00:41:44,540 --> 00:41:47,060
Speaker 3: and she starts walking into the fire.

826
00:41:47,100 --> 00:41:49,420
Speaker 2: Why is she going in the fire?

827
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: She was fireproof.

828
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,430
Speaker 2: And that's what I'm going to get to on page 93.

829
00:41:53,410 --> 00:42:00,370
Speaker 2: Hang in. You're going to freak out. She was described

830
00:42:00,610 --> 00:42:05,240
Speaker 2: as tough as nails. Oh, do we have that next picture, Stephen.

831
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:10,500
Speaker 3: Of her? Disheveled. Oh, shit. That's her at her desk.

832
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:15,140
Speaker 2: They describe her as disheveled, which as a fellow female writer,

833
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,549
Speaker 2: I say, you know what?

834
00:42:16,650 --> 00:42:18,670
Speaker 3: That's how it is. That's just fucking how it is.

835
00:42:18,730 --> 00:42:20,930
Speaker 2: It's not a beauty contest. I'll tell you that right now.

836
00:42:21,250 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 3: She's 23 right there. Yeah. Which phone does she use

837
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,489
Speaker 3: to call her son that she never sees? Right there

838
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:29,010
Speaker 3: in the front.

839
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:30,830
Speaker 2: That's the emergency child phone.

840
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:34,219
Speaker 3: Look at the size of those scissors right there. Next

841
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,779
Speaker 3: to the bat. Georgia loves an old scissor. I really

842
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 3: love old scissors.

843
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:40,870
Speaker 2: She does. Well, and also she kept... See the baseball

844
00:42:40,890 --> 00:42:43,590
Speaker 2: bat right there? This is when she was city editor.

845
00:42:43,610 --> 00:42:45,890
Speaker 2: This is what the picture's from. And then she used

846
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:47,649
Speaker 2: to just keep a bat on her desk in case

847
00:42:47,690 --> 00:42:50,310
Speaker 2: people started fighting. And then she just starts swinging the

848
00:42:50,350 --> 00:42:53,770
Speaker 2: bat at people. That was her management style. Some people

849
00:42:53,830 --> 00:42:54,870
Speaker 2: do it differently.

850
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:55,850
Speaker 3: I love her.

851
00:42:56,070 --> 00:42:59,129
Speaker 2: But she was more of a Dodgers-based.

852
00:43:00,770 --> 00:43:08,620
Speaker 3: Baseball. Baseball. They also say that her voice... It's very rude.

853
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:12,219
Speaker 2: A voice that would seduce only a foghorn.

854
00:43:12,460 --> 00:43:13,220
Speaker 6: What?

855
00:43:14,100 --> 00:43:17,060
Speaker 3: What? Why do they need to say that? Why are you...

856
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: First of all... It's a newspaper. Secondly, you can't fuck

857
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:22,779
Speaker 3: a foghorn.

858
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,070
Speaker 2: So, like, why are you even bringing that up? In 1937,

859
00:43:28,070 --> 00:43:30,859
Speaker 2: reporter Jack Campbell writes of her, she should have been

860
00:43:30,910 --> 00:43:31,620
Speaker 2: born a man.

861
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 3: Oh, okay. Listen, listen. Okay, I get it. It's the 30s.

862
00:43:39,260 --> 00:43:42,500
Speaker 2: This was back before women were paid the same as

863
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,460
Speaker 2: men for the same job.

864
00:43:44,800 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 3: This is back.

865
00:43:45,590 --> 00:43:49,450
Speaker 2: Before we had agency over our own bodies and we

866
00:43:49,489 --> 00:43:51,850
Speaker 2: could do with it what we wanted without the government getting,

867
00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:52,410
Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

868
00:43:52,650 --> 00:44:00,660
Speaker 3: The fucking dark ages. Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, Vice

869
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:04,219
Speaker 3: President Mike Pence. Here he is. Get up here, big guy.

870
00:44:05,180 --> 00:44:19,300
Speaker 3: Get up here. Getting political. We'll get political. Okay.

871
00:44:21,660 --> 00:44:27,300
Speaker 2: She also prided herself on making up catchy murder case names.

872
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:32,240
Speaker 2: One time, she had to go report on the stabbing

873
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,569
Speaker 2: of a waitress. And she was standing there And she

874
00:44:35,610 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: had a moment of inspiration, and she picked up a

875
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,500
Speaker 2: white carnation and dropped it on the body, had her

876
00:44:40,540 --> 00:44:43,620
Speaker 2: photographer take the picture, and then refer to it as

877
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 2: the white carnation murders.

878
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:49,930
Speaker 3: That sounds illegal. Yeah. That sounds like fucking with the

879
00:44:49,969 --> 00:44:52,430
Speaker 3: crime scene, as they call it. I mean, they do

880
00:44:53,130 --> 00:44:54,390
Speaker 3: these days. Yeah.

881
00:44:54,410 --> 00:44:57,270
Speaker 2: Forensic specialists call it fucking with the crime scene.

882
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:57,670
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

883
00:44:58,460 --> 00:45:01,920
Speaker 2: Apparently, at the scene when she did that, a cop

884
00:45:01,980 --> 00:45:03,670
Speaker 2: objected and she hit him with her purse.

885
00:45:03,710 --> 00:45:03,930
Speaker 3: Nope.

886
00:45:04,230 --> 00:45:04,430
Speaker 2: Yes.

887
00:45:04,710 --> 00:45:08,640
Speaker 3: That sounds illegal too. Look, it was a different time. Okay.

888
00:45:09,739 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: She becomes a master at reading people. So one time,

889
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:17,549
Speaker 2: there's a car accident by the Mount Wilson Observatory. This man,

890
00:45:17,650 --> 00:45:22,130
Speaker 2: Laurel Crawford's entire family dies in a one-car car accident.

891
00:45:22,890 --> 00:45:26,549
Speaker 2: And when the cop on the scene asks Aggie what

892
00:45:26,590 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 2: she thinks of the accident, she says, I think it smells.

893
00:45:29,780 --> 00:45:32,740
Speaker 3: He's guilty as hell. And she was right. No.

894
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 2: He set up the whole thing and killed his family

895
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: for money.

896
00:45:35,540 --> 00:45:36,460
Speaker 3: What a dick.

897
00:45:36,680 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 2: I know.

898
00:45:38,140 --> 00:45:42,190
Speaker 3: So... Those, is there cheerleading happening?

899
00:45:44,130 --> 00:45:46,930
Speaker 2: Those senses also got her the story before other reporters.

900
00:45:47,489 --> 00:45:49,649
Speaker 2: There was a case where there was a woman named

901
00:45:49,690 --> 00:45:54,109
Speaker 2: Louise Pete who killed her employer. And when she was

902
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:56,330
Speaker 2: being held, the reporters were all standing around. They were

903
00:45:56,350 --> 00:45:57,890
Speaker 2: all yelling, Louise, and asking her questions.

904
00:45:57,910 --> 00:45:58,690
Speaker 3: Louise, Louise.

905
00:45:59,170 --> 00:46:01,930
Speaker 2: And Aggie notices this, and she's like, Miss Pete, may

906
00:46:01,950 --> 00:46:03,950
Speaker 2: I ask you a question? The woman's like, yes, what

907
00:46:04,010 --> 00:46:06,779
Speaker 2: is it? Because even though she was a murderess, she

908
00:46:06,820 --> 00:46:08,100
Speaker 2: was also a lady.

909
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:17,060
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm. Be back in one second. You were talking about

910
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: Amanda Peet.

911
00:46:19,260 --> 00:46:19,550
Speaker 2: Right?

912
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:21,950
Speaker 3: I was listening.

913
00:46:22,330 --> 00:46:25,970
Speaker 2: Thank you. So the Herald Express's motto was the first

914
00:46:26,090 --> 00:46:30,589
Speaker 2: with the latest. Aggie delivers on that promise. She has

915
00:46:30,630 --> 00:46:33,230
Speaker 2: a bunch of city and court officials in her pocket.

916
00:46:34,530 --> 00:46:35,609
Speaker 3: Big pockets, too, probably.

917
00:46:35,870 --> 00:46:36,750
Speaker 2: Oh, my God.

918
00:46:36,790 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 3: I bet they're a big pocket. She's got like a.

919
00:46:39,050 --> 00:46:41,170
Speaker 2: Like a trial guy in here and like a lawyer

920
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:45,500
Speaker 2: guy over here. So basically she does this. This is

921
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,899
Speaker 2: actually cool. So she's paid a bunch of people off

922
00:46:48,020 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 2: basically just so she can get the story first, which

923
00:46:50,219 --> 00:46:54,410
Speaker 2: is the job. So one of the famous ones she

924
00:46:54,450 --> 00:46:57,450
Speaker 2: did was she called a trial clerk once. right before

925
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:59,650
Speaker 2: he read the verdict of a case that everyone was

926
00:46:59,710 --> 00:47:01,830
Speaker 2: waiting on pins and needles to see what the verdict was,

927
00:47:02,190 --> 00:47:04,989
Speaker 2: she calls the trial clerk's desk, and the trial clerk

928
00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:06,810
Speaker 2: just picks the phone up and puts it back.

929
00:47:06,700 --> 00:47:08,300
Speaker 3: Down and then reads the verdict.

930
00:47:08,660 --> 00:47:11,620
Speaker 2: And as she's typing, so she fucking gets it real

931
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 2: time and gets the story out minutes before the deadline. Shit.

932
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: Kind of shady, but it's okay.

933
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 2: I mean.

934
00:47:19,540 --> 00:47:21,380
Speaker 3: It's a woman, so we're on her side.

935
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:21,779
Speaker 2: Right.

936
00:47:23,820 --> 00:47:29,470
Speaker 3: Right? She can do whatever she wants. Well, also because

937
00:47:29,489 --> 00:47:29,940
Speaker 3: that was the.

938
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: Thing, it was everyone is fighting to get the best

939
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: story first. And this was back when, like, especially LA

940
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:40,060
Speaker 2: peepers were, papers were so, peepers? Did I say Mr. Peepers?

941
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,580
Speaker 3: LA papers were super tabloiding.

942
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 2: So everything was, you know, they took pictures of the body.

943
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,420
Speaker 2: They took pictures of people as they sat in jail cells.

944
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:52,100
Speaker 2: Like the photographers could just go take pictures of people

945
00:47:52,260 --> 00:47:55,890
Speaker 2: as the shit was happening. They were welcome to step

946
00:47:55,969 --> 00:47:58,170
Speaker 2: on evidence. That was part of the ritual.

947
00:47:58,250 --> 00:48:01,030
Speaker 3: And just throw flowers on fucking wherever.

948
00:48:01,050 --> 00:48:03,070
Speaker 2: If you want to throw a flower, you can. It

949
00:48:03,090 --> 00:48:04,090
Speaker 2: was a city ordinance.

950
00:48:04,350 --> 00:48:04,730
Speaker 3: Okay.

951
00:48:05,890 --> 00:48:09,210
Speaker 2: So, the most famous thing, the case that she's known

952
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:14,790
Speaker 2: for is, it came on January 7th, 1947, when the nude,

953
00:48:15,410 --> 00:48:18,990
Speaker 2: bisected body of Elizabeth Short was discovered in an empty

954
00:48:19,050 --> 00:48:20,630
Speaker 2: lot in Lemur Park.

955
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 3: You guys heard of this one? Um.

956
00:48:24,610 --> 00:48:30,509
Speaker 2: She was smiling at me. She, Aggie Underwood was the

957
00:48:30,630 --> 00:48:34,009
Speaker 2: first crime reporter on the scene. Yes, she was.

958
00:48:34,090 --> 00:48:42,170
Speaker 3: She did it. She was there. Think about it.

959
00:48:44,110 --> 00:48:48,219
Speaker 2: Uh, and she claims that the name, the black Dahlia

960
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: was her idea.

961
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:51,219
Speaker 3: She did it. Right. She fucking did it.

962
00:48:51,830 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 2: Based on that white carnation shit I told you earlier,

963
00:48:54,219 --> 00:48:55,219
Speaker 2: it's easier to believe.

964
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:55,890
Speaker 3: I get it.

965
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: But she says that because she got information from a

966
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:02,939
Speaker 2: homicide detective, an LAPD. So anyway, twice during the investigation,

967
00:49:02,980 --> 00:49:06,060
Speaker 2: during the Black Dahlia murder investigation, she gets pulled off

968
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:06,580
Speaker 2: the story.

969
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:08,100
Speaker 3: Two different times.

970
00:49:08,500 --> 00:49:11,969
Speaker 2: Both times with no warning and no explanation whatsoever. And

971
00:49:12,010 --> 00:49:16,230
Speaker 2: the theory is, but she did, she was, by that point,

972
00:49:16,330 --> 00:49:19,250
Speaker 2: she was known as the best crime reporter at the

973
00:49:19,290 --> 00:49:23,279
Speaker 2: Herald Express. And she ended up getting a byline about

974
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:25,700
Speaker 2: the story. You know, she's like had her column right

975
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:30,170
Speaker 2: on the front page. But there are theories that she

976
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:32,610
Speaker 2: kept getting pulled off because she was getting close to

977
00:49:32,670 --> 00:49:36,130
Speaker 2: figuring out who did it. And the second time she

978
00:49:36,170 --> 00:49:39,489
Speaker 2: got pulled off, She was promoted to editor of the

979
00:49:39,510 --> 00:49:40,009
Speaker 2: city desk.

980
00:49:40,030 --> 00:49:42,370
Speaker 3: They're like, let's get her the fuck out of here.

981
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:44,510
Speaker 3: It's like, come on, we're having a party for you.

982
00:49:44,590 --> 00:49:50,020
Speaker 2: Don't put that file away. Which is kind of amazing.

983
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:55,239
Speaker 2: And we'll bring it up later. Whatever the reason, Ag

984
00:49:55,820 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 2: Yonderwood was the first woman to ever become city editor

985
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:04,380
Speaker 2: for a major metropolitan newspaper ever. She was the first.

986
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:09,720
Speaker 2: And she also lasted longer in that position than any

987
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: man who had ever held a job before. The longest....

988
00:50:15,969 --> 00:50:16,870
Speaker 3: Seven, eight.

989
00:50:17,190 --> 00:50:20,830
Speaker 2: The longest that anyone had held a job before that

990
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:21,730
Speaker 2: was four years.

991
00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:25,550
Speaker 3: She worked there for 20 years. Sorry.

992
00:50:26,469 --> 00:50:30,590
Speaker 2: And so on the 10th anniversary of her job there,

993
00:50:30,870 --> 00:50:32,590
Speaker 2: I think this is the next picture, right, Stephen?

994
00:50:33,630 --> 00:50:36,779
Speaker 3: Yes. They gave her... No way. They gave her a

995
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:43,830
Speaker 3: life-size baseball bat. Well, look at those alcoholics. Look at.

996
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:48,009
Speaker 2: She looks like someone... She looks like the mother of

997
00:50:48,070 --> 00:50:50,609
Speaker 2: a dead girl from L.A. Confidential, doesn't she? Yeah.

998
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:55,820
Speaker 3: She's like, um, we're sorry, Mrs. Underwood. We have bad news.

999
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,700
Speaker 3: Your baseball bat has been killed.

1000
00:50:58,719 --> 00:50:58,799
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1001
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,779
Speaker 3: Look at those snacks. I wonder what those snacks are. Oh, wait.

1002
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,149
Speaker 2: Actually, Stephen found this when we found this picture. There's

1003
00:51:06,190 --> 00:51:10,610
Speaker 2: a real good close-up. Look what's right behind her. Oh. No.

1004
00:51:10,710 --> 00:51:13,910
Speaker 3: That's the Black Dahlia killer.

1005
00:51:14,290 --> 00:51:15,049
Speaker 2: You know who that is?

1006
00:51:15,090 --> 00:51:15,450
Speaker 3: Who?

1007
00:51:15,969 --> 00:51:21,450
Speaker 2: That's Black Phillip from The Witch. Wasn't his name Black Phillip?

1008
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 3: The goat?

1009
00:51:24,060 --> 00:51:29,270
Speaker 2: Do you want to live deliciously? Just keep that up, Steven.

1010
00:51:29,310 --> 00:51:30,050
Speaker 3: I think it's fun.

1011
00:51:30,310 --> 00:51:36,790
Speaker 2: I think it's fun to have as wallpaper. She was

1012
00:51:36,850 --> 00:51:39,330
Speaker 2: featured on the TV show This Is Your Life in 1956.

1013
00:51:39,310 --> 00:51:40,590
Speaker 2: In 1959, she was named in the first edition of

1014
00:51:40,610 --> 00:51:40,830
Speaker 2: Who's Who.

1015
00:51:45,180 --> 00:51:46,180
Speaker 3: In American women.

1016
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,740
Speaker 2: In 1962, the Herald Express merged with the Herald Examiner. Um,

1017
00:51:50,940 --> 00:51:53,980
Speaker 2: they actually moved to the Examiner building, which was on

1018
00:51:54,420 --> 00:51:57,180
Speaker 2: 11th and Broadway, three fucking blocks away from here.

1019
00:51:57,219 --> 00:51:58,140
Speaker 3: Oh my God.

1020
00:51:59,090 --> 00:52:02,390
Speaker 2: In September of 1964, she's promoted to managing editor. She's

1021
00:52:02,510 --> 00:52:05,270
Speaker 2: second in command of the newspaper that put out seven

1022
00:52:05,330 --> 00:52:10,819
Speaker 2: editions and had a readership of 725,000 people. Um, Uh,

1023
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 2: and by getting that promotion, she only had to be

1024
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,239
Speaker 2: at work at 6 30 AM now. So she just

1025
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,700
Speaker 2: got to a borderline banker's hour.

1026
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,020
Speaker 3: She really got to relax, sleep in a little.

1027
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: So dad, um, so of course the promotion's a big

1028
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,859
Speaker 2: deal and it's, you know, it's merited. Uh, I mean,

1029
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,660
Speaker 2: it's to her credit, but she hates that she's not

1030
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:43,540
Speaker 2: a reporter anymore. And she actually described the new job as, quote,

1031
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 2: wandering around for four years as a half-assed executive, which

1032
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,820
Speaker 2: is not her style. So after 33 years of service

1033
00:52:51,860 --> 00:52:55,950
Speaker 2: and increasing circulation for Hearst Papers, she decides to retire.

1034
00:52:56,750 --> 00:53:01,489
Speaker 2: And about working for the Hearst Corporation, she said, I

1035
00:53:01,570 --> 00:53:05,480
Speaker 2: can't recall one Hearst executive ever saying nice work over

1036
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: a story I'd covered or even buying me an ice

1037
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: cream cone on my birthday.

1038
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:14,410
Speaker 3: So help me. Whoa. Ice cream cone is all she wanted.

1039
00:53:14,430 --> 00:53:17,410
Speaker 3: I just love that she's like, yeah, fuck those guys.

1040
00:53:17,790 --> 00:53:19,730
Speaker 2: Like, can we get an official quote on how you

1041
00:53:19,750 --> 00:53:21,230
Speaker 2: felt about working for this company?

1042
00:53:21,250 --> 00:53:22,710
Speaker 3: They were assholes.

1043
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:28,049
Speaker 2: At her retirement party, they had it at the Hollywood Palladium.

1044
00:53:28,340 --> 00:53:30,020
Speaker 2: Bob Hope was the emcee.

1045
00:53:30,060 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 3: What?

1046
00:53:30,739 --> 00:53:32,719
Speaker 2: It was fucking sold out.

1047
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:33,740
Speaker 3: Shit.

1048
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: She got telegrams from governors, senators, from President Lyndon B.

1049
00:53:38,739 --> 00:53:39,379
Speaker 3: Johnson.

1050
00:53:39,940 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 2: Oh, I think there's a, see even that book, there's

1051
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:43,280
Speaker 2: the cover.

1052
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:45,700
Speaker 4: Oh.

1053
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 2: She was like friends with Bob Hope. She's reading his book.

1054
00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:50,540
Speaker 2: He's reading her book.

1055
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:51,340
Speaker 3: How cute is that?

1056
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:56,740
Speaker 2: Even though there's no way he really read her book. Um, she, uh,

1057
00:53:56,880 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 2: over a decades long career, she received over 50 awards

1058
00:53:59,719 --> 00:54:04,760
Speaker 2: for her groundbreaking accomplishments in journalism. And on July 18th, 1962,

1059
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 2: the famed Los Angeles mayor, Sam Yorty, you know, remember, um,

1060
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,930
Speaker 2: he declared July 18th to be Aggie Underwood day.

1061
00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:16,089
Speaker 3: Oh, that's why we have that day off.

1062
00:54:16,110 --> 00:54:19,870
Speaker 2: That's why, that's why all the banks are closed. Um,

1063
00:54:20,540 --> 00:54:23,080
Speaker 2: She died of a heart attack at age 81, and

1064
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,500
Speaker 2: she's buried, of course, in Forest Lawn Cemetery in Glendale,

1065
00:54:26,980 --> 00:54:31,350
Speaker 2: and every newspaper in Los Angeles ran her obituary, which

1066
00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:32,810
Speaker 2: is very touching.

1067
00:54:32,870 --> 00:54:33,049
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1068
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:37,189
Speaker 2: A one-time employee of hers, columnist Jack Smith, said about her,

1069
00:54:37,690 --> 00:54:39,469
Speaker 2: Aggie always reminded me of an old rhyme that used

1070
00:54:39,489 --> 00:54:41,109
Speaker 2: to be painted on the wall of a donut shop

1071
00:54:41,150 --> 00:54:46,240
Speaker 2: at 8th and Olympic. As o'er life's road you roll,

1072
00:54:46,340 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 2: keep your eye.

1073
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 3: Upon the donut and not upon the hole.

1074
00:54:49,260 --> 00:54:54,189
Speaker 2: Ooh. I know it's fun I love that but here's

1075
00:54:54,210 --> 00:54:58,310
Speaker 2: the big finish on her deathbed her grandsons found out

1076
00:54:58,430 --> 00:55:01,310
Speaker 2: that she worked on the Black Dahlia murder case and

1077
00:55:01,330 --> 00:55:03,230
Speaker 2: they went to her and they were like did you

1078
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:06,410
Speaker 2: really solve it and she said I know who it

1079
00:55:06,550 --> 00:55:09,469
Speaker 2: is but he's dead and it doesn't matter anyway no.

1080
00:55:09,450 --> 00:55:16,350
Speaker 6: And thus proving my theory that Walt Disney was the

1081
00:55:16,430 --> 00:55:19,930
Speaker 6: Black Dahlia fucking murderer am I right yeah.

1082
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:23,160
Speaker 2: Right. Why wouldn't she say the name?

1083
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:23,779
Speaker 3: Right.

1084
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,380
Speaker 2: If it's like some dude or some like doctor or whatever,

1085
00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:28,140
Speaker 2: like all those books are about, then she.

1086
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:29,760
Speaker 3: Just go, it was Dr. Who hot.

1087
00:55:29,820 --> 00:55:33,140
Speaker 2: It was like, who cares? But she's covering for somebody.

1088
00:55:33,489 --> 00:55:38,230
Speaker 3: Don't you think? Lyndon B. Johnson. Lyndon B. Johnson killed

1089
00:55:38,330 --> 00:55:42,569
Speaker 3: Elizabeth Short. That was fucking awesome. That was it. That

1090
00:55:42,610 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 3: was it. That was fun. That was a wild ride. Disney,

1091
00:55:56,940 --> 00:56:01,140
Speaker 3: a Disney ride. It was, you know, I accused some

1092
00:56:01,180 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 3: people of murders. I mean, me too. That's how we

1093
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:10,990
Speaker 3: do it. Okay, we're back. Any updates, Karen?

1094
00:56:11,290 --> 00:56:13,810
Speaker 2: There actually are, which is exciting. In 2019, the Los

1095
00:56:13,890 --> 00:56:19,820
Speaker 2: Angeles Public Library announced published an extensive photo-driven retrospective titled

1096
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 2: The First with the Latest, Aggie Underwood, The Los Angeles Herald,

1097
00:56:23,980 --> 00:56:27,000
Speaker 2: and the Sorted Crimes of a City. I can't believe

1098
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: I missed that.

1099
00:56:27,980 --> 00:56:28,640
Speaker 3: I'm furious.

1100
00:56:29,300 --> 00:56:33,410
Speaker 2: The online collection uses nearly 100 archival photographs revisiting the

1101
00:56:33,469 --> 00:56:36,570
Speaker 2: crimes she covered and her rise through the newspaper business.

1102
00:56:36,930 --> 00:56:41,270
Speaker 2: Go to lapl.org to go see them. I'm going to

1103
00:56:41,310 --> 00:56:45,230
Speaker 2: do that for sure. Also at Cal State Northridge, That's

1104
00:56:45,250 --> 00:56:49,510
Speaker 2: where Aggie's papers are housed. And they continue to maintain

1105
00:56:49,530 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 2: the Agnes M. Underwood collection. And that collection includes her correspondence, photographs, speeches,

1106
00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:58,420
Speaker 2: and newspaper clippings. So if you like that story and

1107
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,000
Speaker 2: you want to know more, deep dive. Those are two

1108
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:02,540
Speaker 2: great sources for you to do it.

1109
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:06,500
Speaker 3: What an unsung, like, feminist hero. I know. Who needs

1110
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 3: more attention.

1111
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,779
Speaker 2: Women who voluntarily go into all-men spaces in, like, the 40s.

1112
00:57:11,860 --> 00:57:12,780
Speaker 3: Totally.

1113
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:18,110
Speaker 2: That's fucking... astronaut shit. Like that's the hardest of anything

1114
00:57:18,150 --> 00:57:18,570
Speaker 2: you can do.

1115
00:57:19,170 --> 00:57:19,390
Speaker 3: Right.

1116
00:57:19,970 --> 00:57:21,330
Speaker 2: She just had a baseball bat.

1117
00:57:21,930 --> 00:57:22,790
Speaker 1: Oh my God.

1118
00:57:22,890 --> 00:57:23,170
Speaker 3: Okay.

1119
00:57:23,430 --> 00:57:26,820
Speaker 2: Now it's time. We're building to the great one. This

1120
00:57:27,080 --> 00:57:36,790
Speaker 2: is George's story about the Los Feliz murder mansion. What

1121
00:57:36,830 --> 00:57:38,230
Speaker 2: you got over there, like a bug or something?

1122
00:57:38,270 --> 00:57:40,630
Speaker 3: Yeah, there was a fucking gnat. It's the ghost of

1123
00:57:40,850 --> 00:57:45,770
Speaker 3: Walt Disney. You're waving to the baby really weird. Baby!

1124
00:57:45,790 --> 00:57:49,730
Speaker 3: I love when you just spasically gesture at them. Okay,

1125
00:57:50,010 --> 00:57:52,070
Speaker 3: I'm really excited about this one. This is one of

1126
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:54,220
Speaker 3: those stories that you're like, why haven't I done that?

1127
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,540
Speaker 3: And you're like, I didn't think there was that much

1128
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,060
Speaker 3: to do about it. And then you look into it

1129
00:57:57,080 --> 00:57:59,820
Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, this is... Yeah, oh shit. Okay. So,

1130
00:58:01,060 --> 00:58:03,920
Speaker 3: are you ready for the Los Feliz Murder Mansion?

1131
00:58:03,940 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh!

1132
00:58:08,330 --> 00:58:12,070
Speaker 3: Opa. Nope. Oh, that was her book.

1133
00:58:12,290 --> 00:58:16,050
Speaker 2: Please buy it today at your local Barnes & Noble booksellers.

1134
00:58:16,490 --> 00:58:18,900
Speaker 3: Look at it. What a woman. What a book. What

1135
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 3: a woman. What a book. What a woman.

1136
00:58:22,500 --> 00:58:26,940
Speaker 2: That was Gene Fowler's hit, What a Woman, What a Book.

1137
00:58:27,300 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 3: All right. Los Feliz Murder Mansion. All right. Fuck, dude.

1138
00:58:31,780 --> 00:58:35,040
Speaker 2: Now, we've talked about this on the podcast, though. Yeah. Like,

1139
00:58:35,060 --> 00:58:36,690
Speaker 2: we've talked to each other about it.

1140
00:58:36,860 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1141
00:58:37,500 --> 00:58:37,620
Speaker 4: I have.

1142
00:58:38,410 --> 00:58:41,930
Speaker 3: Maybe. Absa maybe. Probably.

1143
00:58:42,550 --> 00:58:42,870
Speaker 2: Probably.

1144
00:58:42,890 --> 00:58:45,610
Speaker 3: Yes. Yes, we have. Because we got emails about it. Okay, great.

1145
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:45,950
Speaker 2: Okay.

1146
00:58:46,290 --> 00:58:50,530
Speaker 3: So the LFMM or the Lewis Fields Murder Mansion. So

1147
00:58:50,570 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 3: it's one of those Los Angeles urban legends that people

1148
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:57,080
Speaker 3: who live in Los Angeles love to tell people who...

1149
00:58:57,420 --> 00:58:59,580
Speaker 3: don't know it because we're we like to brag and

1150
00:58:59,600 --> 00:59:01,420
Speaker 3: we're like oh my god you don't know about the

1151
00:59:01,460 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 3: loss to less management yeah and then we can tell

1152
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:05,970
Speaker 3: them about it and then they freak out and then

1153
00:59:06,010 --> 00:59:08,910
Speaker 3: they tell people who don't know and everyone's smarter than everyone.

1154
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:11,980
Speaker 2: Else it's with everything this podcast is based on.

1155
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 3: So the first time I heard about it was on

1156
00:59:15,660 --> 00:59:18,200
Speaker 3: LiveJournal way back when.

1157
00:59:18,220 --> 00:59:18,300
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1158
00:59:19,330 --> 00:59:21,390
Speaker 3: Back when you were blogging? Back when I was blogging.

1159
00:59:21,470 --> 00:59:23,690
Speaker 3: And I was like, this is the best thing I've

1160
00:59:23,770 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: ever heard. The common urban legend is that a father

1161
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 3: killed his whole family and himself on Christmas Eve in

1162
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,780
Speaker 3: the 1950s, that the house had sat abandoned and nothing

1163
00:59:33,820 --> 00:59:36,100
Speaker 3: in the house had been touched or changed since that night.

1164
00:59:36,420 --> 00:59:38,820
Speaker 3: And if you crept up and trespassed and looked through

1165
00:59:38,860 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 3: the window, you could still see the Christmas tree and

1166
00:59:40,820 --> 00:59:43,450
Speaker 3: the presents underneath from the night he killed his family.

1167
00:59:43,630 --> 00:59:44,970
Speaker 3: That's the urban legend that everyone.

1168
00:59:46,230 --> 00:59:48,780
Speaker 2: And does anyone talk about the level of dust that

1169
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: would be on those things?

1170
00:59:50,540 --> 00:59:52,580
Speaker 3: Yes. It's like part of it. So people who are

1171
00:59:52,600 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: really into abandoned shit are like, this is the best

1172
00:59:55,500 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 3: thing I've ever heard.

1173
00:59:56,100 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: That's like preserved almost.

1174
00:59:58,660 --> 01:00:02,500
Speaker 3: So it's like, oh, it's like a abandoned porn, abandonment porn. Yeah.

1175
01:00:03,410 --> 01:00:05,530
Speaker 2: Lots of people here into abandonment porn.

1176
01:00:05,550 --> 01:00:06,050
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

1177
01:00:07,100 --> 01:00:09,740
Speaker 2: Second only to changing room shame porn.

1178
01:00:11,110 --> 01:00:12,370
Speaker 3: And porn porn.

1179
01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:13,510
Speaker 2: And then just regular porn.

1180
01:00:15,610 --> 01:00:19,290
Speaker 3: Porn. We rarely talk about porn this much. I know,

1181
01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:21,210
Speaker 3: especially not in front of my parents. It's fine.

1182
01:00:21,390 --> 01:00:21,710
Speaker 1: Okay.

1183
01:00:22,950 --> 01:00:27,750
Speaker 3: Hi, Janet. So it turns out that that isn't exactly true.

1184
01:00:27,770 --> 01:00:30,030
Speaker 3: I'm going to fucking tell you the real story.

1185
01:00:30,050 --> 01:00:31,230
Speaker 2: Okay, finally, the truth.

1186
01:00:31,350 --> 01:00:36,460
Speaker 3: The truth comes out tonight. So 2475 Glendower Place is

1187
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:40,580
Speaker 3: a four-bedroom, three-bath Spanish Revival mansion on over half an

1188
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,860
Speaker 3: acre lot that sits atop a hill in Los Feliz.

1189
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,950
Speaker 3: It was built in 1925. I'm going to stop you. Okay.

1190
01:00:46,970 --> 01:00:47,050
Speaker 4: Okay.

1191
01:00:48,090 --> 01:00:48,470
Speaker 3: Los Feliz.

1192
01:00:48,490 --> 01:00:49,330
Speaker 2: You're from here.

1193
01:00:49,350 --> 01:00:53,610
Speaker 3: Los Feliz. I just was reading it in a voice. Oh,

1194
01:00:53,670 --> 01:00:56,450
Speaker 3: that was that lady's accent? That was that lady. My bad.

1195
01:00:56,550 --> 01:00:56,690
Speaker 2: Sorry.

1196
01:00:56,730 --> 01:01:00,700
Speaker 3: I am now like a 1950s real estate agent.

1197
01:01:00,860 --> 01:01:02,920
Speaker 2: Who doesn't know what Los Feliz is. Yeah.

1198
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:06,660
Speaker 3: Got it. Okay. It was built in 1925 by architect

1199
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:11,640
Speaker 3: Harry E. Weiner. Weiner. And... It was once owned by

1200
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:18,680
Speaker 3: German film director, silent film director, Frederick Zoellick. Zoellick? Zoellick.

1201
01:01:19,140 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 3: Got it. With a K.

1202
01:01:20,300 --> 01:01:20,520
Speaker 2: Right.

1203
01:01:20,740 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 3: The house was described as a delightful 12-room home with

1204
01:01:24,220 --> 01:01:28,430
Speaker 3: terrace lawns, artistic gardens, and a magnificent view. It had

1205
01:01:28,470 --> 01:01:31,350
Speaker 3: a ballroom with a bar. Keep doing the voice. I know.

1206
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:33,370
Speaker 3: That was the end of the quote. Maids' quarters, a

1207
01:01:33,390 --> 01:01:35,830
Speaker 3: glassed-in conservatory, and a podcast loft.

1208
01:01:35,850 --> 01:01:40,030
Speaker 2: Okay. No, it didn't. Sorry, a glass conservatory?

1209
01:01:40,090 --> 01:01:40,470
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1210
01:01:41,070 --> 01:01:43,250
Speaker 2: For like concerts and stuff?

1211
01:01:43,330 --> 01:01:46,690
Speaker 3: No, I think they're like an atrium, right? I don't know.

1212
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:48,530
Speaker 2: Not conservatory people.

1213
01:01:49,930 --> 01:01:58,060
Speaker 3: Let's see the photos, Steven. Oh, isn't it gorgeous? Yes,

1214
01:01:58,080 --> 01:02:00,300
Speaker 3: it is. Where's the Christmas tree? That left side? No, no, no, no.

1215
01:02:00,360 --> 01:02:02,950
Speaker 3: We're going to get there. Take it down. All right. Okay, so.

1216
01:02:03,130 --> 01:02:05,090
Speaker 2: They put the Christmas tree up in that window, like

1217
01:02:05,130 --> 01:02:06,110
Speaker 2: hung it from the ceiling.

1218
01:02:06,530 --> 01:02:11,240
Speaker 3: Christmas. Upside down. Art Christmas. Okay, so this neighborhood is

1219
01:02:11,260 --> 01:02:16,230
Speaker 3: for fucking rich people. Richie Rich. It still is. It

1220
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:19,290
Speaker 3: is and it was. And it's surrounded by all these

1221
01:02:19,350 --> 01:02:25,860
Speaker 3: insanely gorgeous fancy houses, million dollar houses, including the Ennis house.

1222
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:29,060
Speaker 3: This house is right in front of the Ennis house.

1223
01:02:29,100 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 3: And I actually saw that I saw it once from what?

1224
01:02:31,860 --> 01:02:33,930
Speaker 3: What's the NS house? Oh, the NS house was a

1225
01:02:34,390 --> 01:02:37,790
Speaker 3: Frank Lloyd Wright house built for the family. Got it.

1226
01:02:37,890 --> 01:02:40,470
Speaker 2: That looks like a weird Aztec or Mayan temple or something.

1227
01:02:40,530 --> 01:02:43,470
Speaker 3: It's the one that was in a house on haunted Hill. It's,

1228
01:02:43,710 --> 01:02:46,790
Speaker 3: it's the house on haunted Hill. It's like, and it

1229
01:02:46,810 --> 01:02:48,790
Speaker 3: was in blade runner and all this shit. It's like

1230
01:02:48,870 --> 01:02:49,490
Speaker 3: famous as fuck.

1231
01:02:49,570 --> 01:02:50,570
Speaker 2: It's a great house.

1232
01:02:50,690 --> 01:02:54,870
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay. Uh, boop. Okay. Okay.

1233
01:02:55,410 --> 01:02:55,570
Speaker 6: Okay.

1234
01:02:56,130 --> 01:03:00,180
Speaker 3: By 1959, the... So, 1959, here we are. The Los

1235
01:03:00,220 --> 01:03:04,340
Speaker 3: Feliz murder mansion is owned by the Perilson family. The

1236
01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:08,100
Speaker 3: patriarch of the family is Harold Perilson. He's 50. He's

1237
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:12,990
Speaker 3: known as a quiet and kind man. Badness. Mm-hmm. He's

1238
01:03:13,010 --> 01:03:20,470
Speaker 3: a prominent surgeon specializing in cardiothoracics and allergies. Cardiothoracic. Thank you. Mm-hmm.

1239
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:21,150
Speaker 2: Yes.

1240
01:03:21,790 --> 01:03:25,240
Speaker 3: And... I need him as my doctor, but not him,

1241
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 3: because you'll see why. He has a profitable patent for

1242
01:03:31,240 --> 01:03:33,510
Speaker 3: a new type of syringe. He's written one of the

1243
01:03:33,550 --> 01:03:36,810
Speaker 3: most respected clinical reports of the time that I'm not

1244
01:03:36,830 --> 01:03:38,630
Speaker 3: going to try to read to you. Read it. The

1245
01:03:38,690 --> 01:03:45,430
Speaker 3: name of the electrocardiogram in familiar periodic paralysis. Good stuff. Okay,

1246
01:03:45,510 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 3: thank you. Doctors.

1247
01:03:49,620 --> 01:03:50,660
Speaker 2: So many doctors.

1248
01:03:51,560 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 3: And a well-respected keynote speaker in medical conferences around the country.

1249
01:03:55,100 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 2: Hot.

1250
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:02,120
Speaker 3: His wife is 42-year-old Lillian, and she's a homemaker and

1251
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,870
Speaker 3: mother to the couple's three children, 18-year-old Judy, daughter Judy,

1252
01:04:05,890 --> 01:04:12,050
Speaker 3: 11-year-old Debbie, and 13-year-old Joseph. This is the only photo

1253
01:04:12,090 --> 01:04:15,050
Speaker 3: I can find of any of them. How creepy is that?

1254
01:04:15,110 --> 01:04:18,200
Speaker 3: It's a nightmare. No, it's not.

1255
01:04:20,140 --> 01:04:21,410
Speaker 2: That's not fun in any way.

1256
01:04:21,570 --> 01:04:21,820
Speaker 3: No.

1257
01:04:21,930 --> 01:04:25,610
Speaker 2: That looks like something from Insidious 2.

1258
01:04:26,550 --> 01:04:28,230
Speaker 3: It just starts zapping in and out.

1259
01:04:28,270 --> 01:04:31,250
Speaker 2: Yeah, because his eyes, like the newspaper print is making

1260
01:04:31,430 --> 01:04:33,670
Speaker 2: the boy's eyes look like they were bleeding up.

1261
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:41,220
Speaker 3: Everything's fine. Okay, take it down. Okay. All the neighbors,

1262
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,150
Speaker 3: all the rich neighbors, of course, say that they're a

1263
01:04:43,220 --> 01:04:47,410
Speaker 3: loving family, shows no outward signs of strife, and by

1264
01:04:47,530 --> 01:04:51,290
Speaker 3: all accounts, they have wealth, respect, and success. This is

1265
01:04:51,350 --> 01:04:52,950
Speaker 3: where if we had them, we would raise our red

1266
01:04:53,010 --> 01:04:54,270
Speaker 3: flags high in the air.

1267
01:04:55,070 --> 01:04:57,420
Speaker 2: You don't want wealth, respect, and success.

1268
01:04:57,500 --> 01:04:58,600
Speaker 3: Nope.

1269
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,820
Speaker 2: That's a quick train to Deathville, everybody.

1270
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,510
Speaker 3: Which you want to. You want all your outward signs

1271
01:05:04,570 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 3: to be crazy and dysfunctional because then what's really happening...

1272
01:05:08,580 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 3: I don't know why.

1273
01:05:09,160 --> 01:05:11,080
Speaker 2: You're just kind of working through shit real time.

1274
01:05:11,100 --> 01:05:11,240
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1275
01:05:11,460 --> 01:05:15,060
Speaker 2: You're not saving it all up for a murder house situation.

1276
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:18,220
Speaker 3: All was not well, it turns out.

1277
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:18,640
Speaker 4: Okay.

1278
01:05:18,980 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 3: The story goes that... Here's the story. There's so much

1279
01:05:22,700 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 3: fucking speculation and different stories and embellishments online in every... Like,

1280
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:31,180
Speaker 3: every article you read, every blog post about it. Can

1281
01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:35,820
Speaker 3: you believe bloggers are embellishing? I can't believe it. It's just,

1282
01:05:36,020 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 3: there's so much craziness. I tried to get the closest

1283
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,180
Speaker 3: to what exactly happened. Sure.

1284
01:05:40,940 --> 01:05:42,280
Speaker 2: But then embellish a little, too.

1285
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:46,070
Speaker 3: Because, I mean, why not? A podcaster is talking shit

1286
01:05:46,110 --> 01:05:47,830
Speaker 3: on bloggers embellishing.

1287
01:05:48,530 --> 01:05:50,810
Speaker 2: This is when the podcaster-blogger war started.

1288
01:05:52,270 --> 01:05:56,010
Speaker 3: Okay, the story goes that the night of December 6th, 1959...

1289
01:05:56,250 --> 01:05:59,510
Speaker 3: Harold came home from work like usual, fixed himself a drink.

1290
01:06:00,010 --> 01:06:03,700
Speaker 3: Lillian was wrapping Christmas presents and preparing dinner at the

1291
01:06:03,720 --> 01:06:06,070
Speaker 3: same time because women had to do everything back then.

1292
01:06:07,530 --> 01:06:09,060
Speaker 2: Cooking and rapping at the same time.

1293
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, nothing's more fun. After dinner, the family watches TV,

1294
01:06:13,740 --> 01:06:16,400
Speaker 3: and then the two youngest children get tucked into bed

1295
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:21,160
Speaker 3: by their parents. Judy, 18-year-old who's older, goes to her

1296
01:06:21,220 --> 01:06:24,630
Speaker 3: room to do some homework, and everyone kind of just

1297
01:06:24,690 --> 01:06:28,890
Speaker 3: is reading and eventually goes to sleep. Harold, before he

1298
01:06:28,930 --> 01:06:32,490
Speaker 3: fell asleep, was reading Dante's Divine Comedy, a little light comedy.

1299
01:06:33,100 --> 01:06:35,080
Speaker 3: Light reading. Just some fun stuff. Uh-huh.

1300
01:06:35,620 --> 01:06:37,180
Speaker 2: The Stephen King of their day.

1301
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 3: Eventually, he falls asleep, but not before marking a specific

1302
01:06:42,740 --> 01:06:45,970
Speaker 3: passage in the book. We'll get there. Okay. Okay.

1303
01:06:46,850 --> 01:06:49,990
Speaker 2: I can't wait for the Dante's Divine Comedy part.

1304
01:06:50,010 --> 01:06:53,150
Speaker 3: I have like a four-page quote from it. It's going

1305
01:06:53,170 --> 01:07:00,600
Speaker 3: to be thrilling. It's going to rhyme. Sometime around 5 a.m.,

1306
01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:07,990
Speaker 3: Harold wakes up goes to his toolbox, grabs a ball-peen hammer.

1307
01:07:09,550 --> 01:07:13,660
Speaker 2: What are fucking ball-peen hammers for but to murder your family? Yes!

1308
01:07:14,400 --> 01:07:16,020
Speaker 2: Every story we read.

1309
01:07:17,620 --> 01:07:19,300
Speaker 3: If you have one of those in your house, throw

1310
01:07:19,340 --> 01:07:20,660
Speaker 3: it away. Flush it down the toilet.

1311
01:07:20,740 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 2: Burn the handle and then flush the big part down

1312
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: the toilet. It's the only solution.

1313
01:07:28,700 --> 01:07:34,060
Speaker 3: Okay. Goes to his wife's room. and hits her while

1314
01:07:34,080 --> 01:07:40,210
Speaker 3: she's sleeping. As she lay dying, he goes to his

1315
01:07:40,330 --> 01:07:44,150
Speaker 3: eldest daughter Judy's room. But she had woken up when

1316
01:07:44,210 --> 01:07:45,930
Speaker 3: she heard what was going on in the other room,

1317
01:07:45,950 --> 01:07:47,890
Speaker 3: so she was kind of prepared for him. So when

1318
01:07:47,930 --> 01:07:51,990
Speaker 3: he went to hit her, she was able to lighten

1319
01:07:52,030 --> 01:07:54,189
Speaker 3: the blow by blocking with her arm. So it didn't

1320
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:57,500
Speaker 3: come down and hit her as hard. And she was

1321
01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 3: able to get up her arm in defense, but she

1322
01:08:00,700 --> 01:08:01,580
Speaker 3: was disoriented.

1323
01:08:02,290 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 2: So, apparently your dad is trying to murder you.

1324
01:08:06,060 --> 01:08:10,140
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's fighting with him, and he says,

1325
01:08:10,220 --> 01:08:13,660
Speaker 3: lay still and keep quiet. But she is like, fuck you,

1326
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 3: and lets out a blood-curdling scream. Right? She tries to

1327
01:08:18,220 --> 01:08:20,969
Speaker 3: get up and run, and her scream wakes up her

1328
01:08:21,010 --> 01:08:25,230
Speaker 3: sleeping siblings, the younger ones in the other room. So Debbie,

1329
01:08:25,310 --> 01:08:27,850
Speaker 3: the daughter, comes out to be like, what's happening? Why

1330
01:08:27,870 --> 01:08:31,290
Speaker 3: is my sister screaming? And Harold, thinking that Judy is

1331
01:08:31,410 --> 01:08:35,780
Speaker 3: dazed and incapacitated, goes to take Debbie back to her bedroom.

1332
01:08:36,200 --> 01:08:38,980
Speaker 3: He says to her, allegedly, go back to bed. This

1333
01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:43,580
Speaker 3: is just a nightmare. He goes back to Judy's room to, like,

1334
01:08:44,140 --> 01:08:47,059
Speaker 3: finish it off, one would think. But she's fucking booked

1335
01:08:47,140 --> 01:08:48,820
Speaker 3: it while he's tending to the other daughter.

1336
01:08:53,290 --> 01:08:58,070
Speaker 2: Both the quotes, lay still, and whatever that second one is, Go.

1337
01:08:57,970 --> 01:09:00,690
Speaker 3: Back to bed. This is just a nightmare.

1338
01:09:01,530 --> 01:09:03,350
Speaker 2: This man is, I don't know anything about him and

1339
01:09:03,370 --> 01:09:05,410
Speaker 2: he's the creepiest thoracic surgeon I've.

1340
01:09:05,330 --> 01:09:09,630
Speaker 3: Ever heard of in my life. That's right. So she,

1341
01:09:10,010 --> 01:09:13,660
Speaker 3: despite a fucking skull fracture, she takes off down that

1342
01:09:13,780 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 3: crazy hill at the, you know, what the house is on. What?

1343
01:09:18,380 --> 01:09:18,540
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1344
01:09:19,050 --> 01:09:22,330
Speaker 3: And runs, goes to the neighbors. They had already woken

1345
01:09:22,370 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 3: up because they heard her scream. So when she pounds

1346
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:25,799
Speaker 3: on the door and they open it and she's got

1347
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:27,560
Speaker 3: blood coming down her head, they let her in and

1348
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:33,019
Speaker 3: they call the police. Meanwhile, Debbie, the little sister, who

1349
01:09:33,060 --> 01:09:34,839
Speaker 3: was like, go back to bed. This is a nightmare.

1350
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,100
Speaker 3: She was like, I don't believe that. And so when he,

1351
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 3: she grabs her brother and they booked it the fuck

1352
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:43,080
Speaker 3: out of the house too. Oh, thank God. I know.

1353
01:09:47,140 --> 01:09:51,220
Speaker 2: Baby, the kids survive. Everything's good. Your people are fine.

1354
01:09:53,300 --> 01:09:54,500
Speaker 3: She was about to walk out.

1355
01:09:57,340 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: Diapers.

1356
01:09:58,060 --> 01:10:00,700
Speaker 3: Someone just told her this was a comedy show. She

1357
01:10:00,740 --> 01:10:08,430
Speaker 3: didn't know. Diapers. Okay, so Harold at this point, he's like, oh,

1358
01:10:08,910 --> 01:10:11,070
Speaker 3: I did this wrong. The cops are probably coming.

1359
01:10:11,410 --> 01:10:11,550
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1360
01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:14,870
Speaker 3: I'm a, I guess I'm, what is it called when

1361
01:10:14,910 --> 01:10:17,350
Speaker 3: you put words? You're riffing. I'm riffing. Sure. He goes

1362
01:10:17,410 --> 01:10:19,890
Speaker 3: back to his bedroom where his wife is now dead,

1363
01:10:20,430 --> 01:10:24,950
Speaker 3: takes a concoction of acid and tranquilizer pills. And of

1364
01:10:25,010 --> 01:10:27,719
Speaker 3: course it's like on every different place, it's a different

1365
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:32,960
Speaker 3: kind of whatever he takes, you know, Nembutal or tranquilizers

1366
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 3: or codeine and the acid is supposedly cyanide. He takes

1367
01:10:36,000 --> 01:10:39,179
Speaker 3: a bunch of shit so that basically when the police arrive,

1368
01:10:39,260 --> 01:10:43,179
Speaker 3: he's on the ground in his bedroom where his wife

1369
01:10:43,240 --> 01:10:46,059
Speaker 3: is dead in the bed. He's near death and he's

1370
01:10:46,100 --> 01:10:49,650
Speaker 3: got the fucking ball-peen hammer in his hand. Won't let go.

1371
01:10:50,689 --> 01:10:53,970
Speaker 2: And then it becomes fused to his hand. He comes

1372
01:10:54,050 --> 01:10:57,170
Speaker 2: back as the ball-peen hammer ghost. I'm just trying to

1373
01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:59,729
Speaker 2: get one film out of this experience.

1374
01:11:00,950 --> 01:11:04,929
Speaker 3: One script. He is dead before the ambulance can get there. Shit.

1375
01:11:05,830 --> 01:11:10,250
Speaker 3: So on the nightstand next to Harold's bed, they find

1376
01:11:10,270 --> 01:11:14,050
Speaker 3: the copy of Dante's Inferno, the Divine Comedy. And the

1377
01:11:14,090 --> 01:11:18,230
Speaker 3: passage that was marked reads, midway upon the journey of

1378
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:21,370
Speaker 3: our life, I found myself within a dark for, nope,

1379
01:11:21,710 --> 01:11:25,890
Speaker 3: within a forest dark for the straightforward path had been lost.

1380
01:11:26,750 --> 01:11:28,570
Speaker 3: It's creepy, but we don't really know what it means.

1381
01:11:28,890 --> 01:11:31,530
Speaker 3: He was probably just crazy, whatever. Okay. He's a surgeon.

1382
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:32,900
Speaker 2: What more does he want?

1383
01:11:34,180 --> 01:11:37,510
Speaker 3: So in the ensuing investigation to figure out why Harold

1384
01:11:37,590 --> 01:11:41,010
Speaker 3: had gone bonkers, a letter was found that Judy had

1385
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:43,639
Speaker 3: written to her aunt that said, we are on the

1386
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:48,679
Speaker 3: merry-go-round again. Same problems, same worries, only tenfold. My parents

1387
01:11:48,740 --> 01:11:51,820
Speaker 3: are in a bind financially. Oh. Basically, she was like,

1388
01:11:52,210 --> 01:11:54,710
Speaker 3: we're fucking broke. Oh. You know what I mean?

1389
01:11:54,750 --> 01:11:54,910
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1390
01:11:55,310 --> 01:12:00,349
Speaker 3: Despite outward appearances, the Pearlsons were actually going through financial hardships.

1391
01:12:00,770 --> 01:12:05,620
Speaker 3: So the rights to Harold's patent, his medical device patent,

1392
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,599
Speaker 3: they were stolen by his partner after Harold and Lillian

1393
01:12:09,620 --> 01:12:12,730
Speaker 3: spent thousands of dollars developing it. And then he went

1394
01:12:12,750 --> 01:12:14,830
Speaker 3: on to spend thousands more on a legal battle that

1395
01:12:14,850 --> 01:12:18,290
Speaker 3: went on for years, and the settlement barely covered the

1396
01:12:18,330 --> 01:12:22,599
Speaker 3: legal costs in the end. And a few months after that,

1397
01:12:22,780 --> 01:12:25,360
Speaker 3: his children had been in a car accident. That wasn't

1398
01:12:25,400 --> 01:12:27,759
Speaker 3: their fault. He had filed another suit against the driver,

1399
01:12:28,160 --> 01:12:32,210
Speaker 3: but the settlement barely covered the children's medical costs. So, like,

1400
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:36,170
Speaker 3: he needs a better lawyer, I'm thinking. That's one thing

1401
01:12:36,229 --> 01:12:40,910
Speaker 3: he needs. Another theory as to what happened was that...

1402
01:12:42,210 --> 01:12:45,370
Speaker 3: Though friends were told that Harold had a recent spate

1403
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:48,139
Speaker 3: of unexpected heart attacks, which had put him in the hospital.

1404
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:52,139
Speaker 3: A spate of heart attacks? Yeah. That's too many. I know.

1405
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,820
Speaker 3: Once plenty. Yeah. But they had to give an excuse

1406
01:12:56,890 --> 01:12:58,210
Speaker 3: as to why he kept having to go back to

1407
01:12:58,229 --> 01:12:58,790
Speaker 3: the hospital.

1408
01:12:59,410 --> 01:12:59,510
Speaker 4: Oh.

1409
01:12:59,750 --> 01:13:04,090
Speaker 3: But what really happened, they found that it had actually

1410
01:13:04,130 --> 01:13:05,210
Speaker 3: been suicide attempts.

1411
01:13:05,229 --> 01:13:05,299
Speaker 4: Yes.

1412
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:08,469
Speaker 3: And they were saying he was just in the hospital

1413
01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:10,229
Speaker 3: for all these heart attacks he keeps having.

1414
01:13:10,370 --> 01:13:11,250
Speaker 2: It's so crazy.

1415
01:13:11,310 --> 01:13:13,380
Speaker 3: Dad fell down and had another heart attack.

1416
01:13:13,450 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 2: So we're trying to.

1417
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:20,660
Speaker 3: And it was also possible that the wife, that Lillian

1418
01:13:20,700 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 3: or the doctors were going to have him committed or

1419
01:13:23,140 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 3: that she had to do it at the end of

1420
01:13:24,380 --> 01:13:26,630
Speaker 3: a certain time, a period of time. So maybe he

1421
01:13:26,670 --> 01:13:29,750
Speaker 3: was just like, I'm not going back. We don't really know.

1422
01:13:30,110 --> 01:13:33,410
Speaker 3: All three children left to live with relatives, and their

1423
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:36,630
Speaker 3: whereabouts are now unknown. They changed their names so they

1424
01:13:36,650 --> 01:13:39,860
Speaker 3: wouldn't be associated with the murders. There's like one rumor

1425
01:13:39,880 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 3: of who someone is, but I don't even know if

1426
01:13:41,260 --> 01:13:43,560
Speaker 3: it's true, so I'm not going to say. And also,

1427
01:13:43,740 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 3: they don't want to be known. No, totally. Yeah. And

1428
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:50,040
Speaker 3: here's her photo. No, that would never do that. It's

1429
01:13:50,080 --> 01:13:52,450
Speaker 3: my mom. Oh my God, how cool would that be?

1430
01:13:54,030 --> 01:13:56,650
Speaker 2: And in researching this story, I discovered.

1431
01:13:57,030 --> 01:14:04,290
Speaker 3: Shannon! Okay. Okay. Okay. In 1960. So, in 1960, a

1432
01:14:04,350 --> 01:14:07,990
Speaker 3: year after the murder-suicide, the mansion is sold at auction,

1433
01:14:08,370 --> 01:14:11,759
Speaker 3: and for the next over 50 years, the Los Feliz

1434
01:14:11,939 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 3: murder mansion would remain completely untouched and uninhabited by anyone. Okay,

1435
01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:21,100
Speaker 3: that part's only kind of true. Here's the truth.

1436
01:14:22,380 --> 01:14:24,240
Speaker 2: How many times have you done that during this story?

1437
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:29,360
Speaker 3: Just this once? Like reading it to my cats? No, no, no.

1438
01:14:29,420 --> 01:14:31,840
Speaker 2: Reading something going, that's actually only partly true.

1439
01:14:32,939 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 3: That's my whole life. Okay. Either way, I know people

1440
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:41,059
Speaker 3: want this to be the creepiest, craziest story. It is

1441
01:14:41,160 --> 01:14:44,650
Speaker 3: super fucking creepy either way. Here's what really happened. The

1442
01:14:44,689 --> 01:14:48,170
Speaker 3: couple that bought the home were Julian and Emily Enriquez

1443
01:14:48,290 --> 01:14:52,179
Speaker 3: of Lincoln Heights and They never lived there. They bought

1444
01:14:52,220 --> 01:14:56,220
Speaker 3: this fucking mansion and used it as a storage unit, basically.

1445
01:14:56,380 --> 01:15:00,059
Speaker 2: Was this before storage units were available to America?

1446
01:15:01,020 --> 01:15:05,610
Speaker 3: Before storage wars? It must be. So they basically just

1447
01:15:05,650 --> 01:15:10,050
Speaker 3: kept bringing boxes and weird stuff over there and filling

1448
01:15:10,090 --> 01:15:12,650
Speaker 3: the house. So people thought that all the stuff had been,

1449
01:15:12,810 --> 01:15:15,769
Speaker 3: like when people, the looky-loos would come and try to

1450
01:15:15,790 --> 01:15:17,570
Speaker 3: look through the windows, they thought that that was all

1451
01:15:17,590 --> 01:15:19,980
Speaker 3: of the stuff being left behind. But it's still creepy.

1452
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:24,070
Speaker 2: What? There's a box that says utensils on it. It's

1453
01:15:24,210 --> 01:15:25,630
Speaker 2: so scary.

1454
01:15:27,790 --> 01:15:32,269
Speaker 3: When Emily, when the mother died in 1994, their son Rudy,

1455
01:15:32,290 --> 01:15:36,140
Speaker 3: who they all paid the property tax, so they couldn't

1456
01:15:36,180 --> 01:15:38,100
Speaker 3: take the house from them, even though no one lived there.

1457
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 3: He only used it as storage as well. He'd never

1458
01:15:41,380 --> 01:15:44,269
Speaker 3: spent a night there. He made no changes from the

1459
01:15:44,330 --> 01:15:49,210
Speaker 3: home aside from installing an alarm system because the neighbors

1460
01:15:49,250 --> 01:15:52,430
Speaker 3: were complaining about squatters and ghost hunters constantly trying to

1461
01:15:52,550 --> 01:15:53,330
Speaker 3: break into the house.

1462
01:15:54,970 --> 01:15:57,770
Speaker 2: What were these Enrique's? What was the plan?

1463
01:15:58,570 --> 01:16:01,389
Speaker 3: You wonder. I don't know.

1464
01:16:01,410 --> 01:16:04,450
Speaker 2: They just filled the entire thing with boxes slowly but

1465
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 2: surely like Tetris.

1466
01:16:05,439 --> 01:16:10,720
Speaker 3: 25 more. Then it like explodes into the ether and

1467
01:16:10,740 --> 01:16:15,700
Speaker 3: it doesn't exist anymore. Okay, so the house slowly fell

1468
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:19,020
Speaker 3: into disrepair and nothing was done to maintain the property

1469
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,900
Speaker 3: except for the neighbors tended to the yard and cleaned

1470
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:24,099
Speaker 3: the gutters in front because they're like, this is hideous

1471
01:16:24,160 --> 01:16:27,000
Speaker 3: and we hate looking at this. They did it themselves? Yeah.

1472
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 2: That's like when my neighbors put my garbage can back

1473
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:34,630
Speaker 2: up my driveway. Garbage day is Monday and I'll leave

1474
01:16:34,670 --> 01:16:35,689
Speaker 2: it out there until Thursday.

1475
01:16:35,710 --> 01:16:40,550
Speaker 3: Okay. That's exactly what they did. Oh, it's so embarrassing.

1476
01:16:40,670 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 3: We have a photo of the abandoned looking house. Yes. Oh, shit.

1477
01:16:45,180 --> 01:16:47,880
Speaker 3: How fucking creepy is this?

1478
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:49,839
Speaker 2: Those fences make things look way creepier.

1479
01:16:49,900 --> 01:16:52,599
Speaker 3: Though, too. No, but that's pretty creepy. It's, you know,

1480
01:16:52,660 --> 01:16:54,500
Speaker 3: it's creepy by itself. I mean, think about what happened

1481
01:16:54,540 --> 01:16:54,860
Speaker 3: in there.

1482
01:16:55,220 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 2: Just saying, the fence adds.

1483
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:58,689
Speaker 3: Yes, it does. It really adds. It adds 10 pounds

1484
01:16:58,729 --> 01:17:04,560
Speaker 3: of terrifying. I wanted to go in there so bad.

1485
01:17:05,160 --> 01:17:07,370
Speaker 3: I mean, to a point where it broke my heart

1486
01:17:07,390 --> 01:17:09,110
Speaker 3: that I could never do it. Like, this is my

1487
01:17:09,210 --> 01:17:11,150
Speaker 3: fucking dream. We could get into.

1488
01:17:11,030 --> 01:17:13,049
Speaker 2: That glass terrarium or whatever it's called.

1489
01:17:13,150 --> 01:17:13,690
Speaker 3: I bet you.

1490
01:17:13,890 --> 01:17:16,790
Speaker 2: If we put on like balaclavas and we'll wear the

1491
01:17:16,930 --> 01:17:19,190
Speaker 2: black shirt I always wear and we'll just climb a fence.

1492
01:17:19,810 --> 01:17:23,230
Speaker 3: Honestly, like if I could travel the world only breaking

1493
01:17:23,270 --> 01:17:25,610
Speaker 3: into houses like this, I would do it. Just to

1494
01:17:25,630 --> 01:17:27,510
Speaker 3: go through things. I don't want to like fuck anything up.

1495
01:17:27,610 --> 01:17:29,880
Speaker 3: I just want to look around like an asshole. You know?

1496
01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:32,580
Speaker 3: People do that. Like, that's why I go to estate sales,

1497
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:34,380
Speaker 3: is I just want to go through people's stuff. It's

1498
01:17:34,460 --> 01:17:37,090
Speaker 3: so fun. And, like, maybe buy their old, like, cookbooks.

1499
01:17:37,170 --> 01:17:38,549
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yes. Okay.

1500
01:17:38,570 --> 01:17:39,490
Speaker 2: Get in their lives.

1501
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:44,410
Speaker 3: All right. So now, on to the rumors that everything

1502
01:17:44,450 --> 01:17:45,910
Speaker 3: from the night of the murder was left behind and

1503
01:17:45,930 --> 01:17:48,670
Speaker 3: still there. It's not true. What people who peeked through

1504
01:17:48,689 --> 01:17:51,309
Speaker 3: the windows were really seeing was the fucking crazy shit

1505
01:17:51,330 --> 01:17:54,530
Speaker 3: the Enriquez family, who sound like hoarders, left behind.

1506
01:17:54,570 --> 01:17:56,250
Speaker 2: The richest hoarders of all time.

1507
01:17:56,270 --> 01:17:59,530
Speaker 3: Yes. Yes. And, well, at the same time, though, I wonder,

1508
01:17:59,550 --> 01:18:03,570
Speaker 3: a house was sold in 1960, so it happened in 1959.

1509
01:18:03,570 --> 01:18:06,030
Speaker 3: No one probably wanted to buy that house, you know? True.

1510
01:18:06,090 --> 01:18:09,210
Speaker 3: So maybe they got it for a steal. A song,

1511
01:18:09,270 --> 01:18:10,010
Speaker 3: that's what I meant to say.

1512
01:18:10,050 --> 01:18:13,270
Speaker 2: Sure. But, I mean, still, if you buy a house,

1513
01:18:13,310 --> 01:18:15,250
Speaker 2: you'd want to go ahead and live there. Sure.

1514
01:18:15,530 --> 01:18:17,870
Speaker 3: Or at least fix it up and sell it. Yeah.

1515
01:18:17,910 --> 01:18:20,610
Speaker 2: Throw a coat of paint on there, just smudge stick

1516
01:18:20,650 --> 01:18:20,990
Speaker 2: or whatever.

1517
01:18:21,010 --> 01:18:26,260
Speaker 3: Yeah. clap the corners of Sage. Um, okay. So they

1518
01:18:26,300 --> 01:18:29,380
Speaker 3: left behind all this stuff, including like vintage magazines and

1519
01:18:29,420 --> 01:18:33,300
Speaker 3: vintage cleaning products, which made people think that that was, uh,

1520
01:18:33,820 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 3: belonged to.

1521
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 2: Were they fucking with people?

1522
01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:39,710
Speaker 3: They might've been fucking with people. We have, um, a photo. Okay.

1523
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:41,910
Speaker 3: So this is from a website, a blog called my

1524
01:18:42,090 --> 01:18:47,170
Speaker 3: LA bucket list.com. Um, she liked this chick basically as me,

1525
01:18:47,710 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 3: but braver. She snuck up there and like took all

1526
01:18:50,100 --> 01:18:53,540
Speaker 3: these photos in the, through the window. So here's, uh,

1527
01:18:53,660 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 3: one of them. Oh, we get to see. Oh, so

1528
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,640
Speaker 3: see the magazine. That's a life magazine. That's a post magazine.

1529
01:19:00,020 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 3: So when she put those up online, people were like, um,

1530
01:19:03,080 --> 01:19:06,460
Speaker 3: that came out in the 19, in 1965. And so

1531
01:19:06,500 --> 01:19:09,430
Speaker 3: it's clearly not the pearls and family's, It doesn't belong

1532
01:19:09,450 --> 01:19:11,370
Speaker 3: to them, you know? And there was a box of

1533
01:19:11,950 --> 01:19:15,200
Speaker 3: SpaghettiOs in the kitchen. And they were like, it's the

1534
01:19:15,420 --> 01:19:19,179
Speaker 3: murder SpaghettiOs and shit. They were really excited that somehow

1535
01:19:19,200 --> 01:19:23,179
Speaker 3: a box of SpaghettiOs belonged to a murderer. It's interesting.

1536
01:19:23,260 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 2: It is interesting.

1537
01:19:24,700 --> 01:19:28,830
Speaker 3: But it turns out that SpaghettiOs weren't manufactured until 1965.

1538
01:19:28,830 --> 01:19:31,170
Speaker 3: Which is like, internet sleuths are the best. How they're

1539
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:32,650
Speaker 3: just like, nope, sorry, dicks.

1540
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:33,010
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

1541
01:19:34,020 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 3: Hate to rain on your parade with SpaghettiOs, but.

1542
01:19:36,660 --> 01:19:40,070
Speaker 2: Chef Boyardee wasn't even invented in 1963.

1543
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:46,330
Speaker 3: Anyway, nice try. And then there's another urban legend that

1544
01:19:46,350 --> 01:19:48,719
Speaker 3: the house was rented to a family a few years

1545
01:19:48,810 --> 01:19:51,540
Speaker 3: after the murder who were living there until one night...

1546
01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:56,559
Speaker 3: right around Christmas, or right around the anniversary of the murder, suicide,

1547
01:19:56,680 --> 01:20:04,420
Speaker 3: the family fled the house in terror. Ghost shit. Ghost shit.

1548
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:09,330
Speaker 3: And left behind everything, including a Christmas tree and unwrapped presents. Like,

1549
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:11,269
Speaker 3: the Christmas tree part is a big part of this

1550
01:20:11,330 --> 01:20:13,710
Speaker 3: urban legend that people will tell you about, because it

1551
01:20:13,770 --> 01:20:19,070
Speaker 3: sounds so creepy. But here's the thing. There's no photo

1552
01:20:19,410 --> 01:20:22,980
Speaker 3: anywhere of a Christmas tree. So that Doesn't seem like it.

1553
01:20:22,979 --> 01:20:24,880
Speaker 3: That's just hot gossip. Sorry guys.

1554
01:20:25,060 --> 01:20:25,260
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1555
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:27,840
Speaker 3: But there is a photo through the window of a

1556
01:20:27,939 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 3: creepy old, I think it's the living room and Christmas

1557
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:33,939
Speaker 3: wrapping paper on the couch. Here's another one from my

1558
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:38,340
Speaker 3: LA bucket list.com. How terrifying you see that.

1559
01:20:38,500 --> 01:20:38,660
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1560
01:20:38,900 --> 01:20:40,480
Speaker 3: And then look at all the dust and shit and

1561
01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 3: that old timey fucking thing. Yeah.

1562
01:20:43,660 --> 01:20:47,479
Speaker 2: Oh, also that makes me uncomfortable. There's an office style

1563
01:20:47,740 --> 01:20:51,479
Speaker 2: file cabinet there. You don't have that in a living

1564
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:52,620
Speaker 2: room or a TV room.

1565
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:53,179
Speaker 3: That's not.

1566
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: That's for dad's office only.

1567
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,570
Speaker 3: Unless you're keeping files on something sinister.

1568
01:20:58,030 --> 01:21:01,370
Speaker 2: Chef Boyardee. Right. So....

1569
01:21:05,030 --> 01:21:08,380
Speaker 3: Okay. And the other thing is, the reason we know

1570
01:21:08,420 --> 01:21:10,520
Speaker 3: it's not the Perilsons is that they were Jewish, so.

1571
01:21:12,479 --> 01:21:14,020
Speaker 3: It's probably not the Christmas crap.

1572
01:21:15,000 --> 01:21:18,420
Speaker 2: There's so many internet sleuths that were immediately like, yeah,

1573
01:21:18,460 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 2: does anyone get this?

1574
01:21:19,939 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 3: Okay.

1575
01:21:20,360 --> 01:21:21,860
Speaker 2: We'll wait till you people catch up.

1576
01:21:22,900 --> 01:21:24,729
Speaker 3: And just for fun, cause I love this shit. Here's

1577
01:21:24,910 --> 01:21:28,230
Speaker 3: one more creepy photo from my LA bucket list through

1578
01:21:28,250 --> 01:21:31,330
Speaker 3: the window. Nightmare. God, don't you just want to like

1579
01:21:31,430 --> 01:21:35,010
Speaker 3: tiptoe through that house? Like, alone. No one's there with you.

1580
01:21:35,330 --> 01:21:39,269
Speaker 2: Those yellow chairs are so clearly from overstock.com. There's, like,

1581
01:21:39,370 --> 01:21:41,070
Speaker 2: no fucking question in my mind.

1582
01:21:41,090 --> 01:21:42,839
Speaker 3: No, you're ruining it.

1583
01:21:42,850 --> 01:21:45,099
Speaker 2: I would immediately, I would see that picture and I'd

1584
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:49,680
Speaker 2: just be like, $ 49. 99?

1585
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 3: No, they're creepy from the death house. So they're creepy. No,

1586
01:21:50,979 --> 01:21:54,320
Speaker 3: they're so creepy. But they're also a bargain. But they're also,

1587
01:21:54,420 --> 01:21:58,840
Speaker 3: you can't afford not to buy them. Like, but look

1588
01:21:58,860 --> 01:22:02,010
Speaker 3: at that giant old school sofa, you know? Yeah. I

1589
01:22:02,020 --> 01:22:02,620
Speaker 3: just love it.

1590
01:22:02,620 --> 01:22:02,849
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1591
01:22:04,210 --> 01:22:09,979
Speaker 3: Okay. In 2016, all of us weirdos lost our minds

1592
01:22:10,479 --> 01:22:12,979
Speaker 3: when the house went up for sale. And this was

1593
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:15,059
Speaker 3: when we were finally able to see inside the house

1594
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,479
Speaker 3: because there weren't a lot of photos. There's some woman

1595
01:22:17,540 --> 01:22:20,620
Speaker 3: online who broke into the house. Did she? They broke

1596
01:22:20,650 --> 01:22:22,630
Speaker 3: into the house. It looks like a lot of squatters

1597
01:22:22,689 --> 01:22:24,990
Speaker 3: used to live there because there's now junk everywhere. It

1598
01:22:25,010 --> 01:22:26,610
Speaker 3: looks like they went through all the closets and all

1599
01:22:26,630 --> 01:22:32,570
Speaker 3: the Enrique stuff thinking it belonged to a murderer, which is... horrible. And, uh,

1600
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:34,270
Speaker 3: they went in there. So there's some weird photos from

1601
01:22:34,340 --> 01:22:36,400
Speaker 3: inside of there, but we finally got to see inside

1602
01:22:36,439 --> 01:22:36,820
Speaker 3: the house.

1603
01:22:37,020 --> 01:22:39,760
Speaker 2: I feel like this is that whenever that it went

1604
01:22:39,820 --> 01:22:41,220
Speaker 2: on sale is when we talked about it.

1605
01:22:41,220 --> 01:22:42,740
Speaker 3: It was like the very beginning of the show. Yes.

1606
01:22:42,780 --> 01:22:43,809
Speaker 3: And we were like, let's buy it.

1607
01:22:43,900 --> 01:22:47,360
Speaker 2: Yeah. Um, we still have a Patreon up if anybody

1608
01:22:47,420 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 2: wants to donate to, it might be too late.

1609
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,040
Speaker 3: Actually last night when Vince and I, Vince and I

1610
01:22:52,040 --> 01:22:54,260
Speaker 3: were laying in bed and I was writing this and, uh,

1611
01:22:54,520 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 3: I was like, can you believe it sold for this

1612
01:22:56,780 --> 01:22:58,340
Speaker 3: or was up for this much? And he was like,

1613
01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,790
Speaker 3: who would want to live in a, death house and

1614
01:23:00,810 --> 01:23:02,570
Speaker 3: I was like oh shit he doesn't know about me

1615
01:23:04,630 --> 01:23:07,570
Speaker 3: and I had to explain why I would really really.

1616
01:23:07,390 --> 01:23:10,070
Speaker 2: Really want it you would live in a house where

1617
01:23:10,220 --> 01:23:13,000
Speaker 2: somebody murdered his his wife Yeah.

1618
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:20,780
Speaker 3: I'm asking her. Some lady goes, absolutely. It's the ghost of, uh,

1619
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 3: I wouldn't live there because someone was murdered there, but

1620
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,240
Speaker 3: I wouldn't not. And it would kind of be a,

1621
01:23:27,360 --> 01:23:30,860
Speaker 3: if I were deciding between two places and one, it'd

1622
01:23:30,970 --> 01:23:34,130
Speaker 3: kind of be a bonus. In like a really cool

1623
01:23:34,170 --> 01:23:35,939
Speaker 3: spooky way and like connected to our history.

1624
01:23:35,960 --> 01:23:38,400
Speaker 2: Have you ever seen one scary movie?

1625
01:23:39,660 --> 01:23:39,820
Speaker 4: One.

1626
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:40,700
Speaker 3: No.

1627
01:23:40,820 --> 01:23:41,040
Speaker 2: Any?

1628
01:23:41,080 --> 01:23:41,500
Speaker 3: No.

1629
01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:44,470
Speaker 2: No. Oh, we got to get you. Okay. First, Insidious

1630
01:23:44,470 --> 01:23:47,290
Speaker 2: 2 is where you have to start because it's so crazy,

1631
01:23:47,470 --> 01:23:48,370
Speaker 2: but it's also a sequel.

1632
01:23:48,550 --> 01:23:53,090
Speaker 3: Okay. Okay, so we all lost our minds. Before all

1633
01:23:53,150 --> 01:23:55,250
Speaker 3: the junk was hauled off so the house could be listed,

1634
01:23:57,030 --> 01:23:59,610
Speaker 3: supposedly this woman who was a friend of the late owner,

1635
01:24:00,050 --> 01:24:04,130
Speaker 3: her name is Alexis Vaughn. She's a photographer. She was invited.

1636
01:24:04,210 --> 01:24:06,570
Speaker 3: She's like the only person ever who was invited into

1637
01:24:06,590 --> 01:24:08,950
Speaker 3: the house to take photos before they got rid of everything.

1638
01:24:09,729 --> 01:24:11,799
Speaker 3: And she posted those photos on her website, Life in

1639
01:24:11,810 --> 01:24:16,580
Speaker 3: My Lens. Here's one of the photos. Or two photos

1640
01:24:16,740 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 3: side by side. An oven. It's so creepy. Do you

1641
01:24:21,400 --> 01:24:24,330
Speaker 3: not find any of these creepy? Am I crazy? Those

1642
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:25,270
Speaker 3: are two separate questions.

1643
01:24:25,290 --> 01:24:26,169
Speaker 2: I just like comedy.

1644
01:24:26,189 --> 01:24:28,830
Speaker 3: Oh, okay.

1645
01:24:28,890 --> 01:24:30,729
Speaker 2: No, no, I mean, they're creepy in a way, but

1646
01:24:30,770 --> 01:24:35,179
Speaker 2: then kind of knowing the... Knowing that it's the Enriquez's stuff,

1647
01:24:35,660 --> 01:24:37,400
Speaker 2: I would be freaking out if we knew it was

1648
01:24:37,460 --> 01:24:38,060
Speaker 2: their stuff.

1649
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:41,020
Speaker 3: I should have written this differently. No, no, no. But

1650
01:24:41,500 --> 01:24:42,120
Speaker 3: it's the truth.

1651
01:24:42,180 --> 01:24:44,760
Speaker 2: Because I've actually known the wrong story this whole time.

1652
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1653
01:24:45,100 --> 01:24:45,920
Speaker 2: So I want to know it.

1654
01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:50,590
Speaker 3: Well, I wanted to ruin everyone's day. It's fun, right?

1655
01:24:50,610 --> 01:24:50,750
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1656
01:24:51,410 --> 01:24:55,040
Speaker 3: Once the house... was cleared of all the junk and

1657
01:24:55,180 --> 01:24:57,660
Speaker 3: slightly cleaned up. The real estate listing photos of the

1658
01:24:57,740 --> 01:25:01,460
Speaker 3: now-empty house went up with the listing. Here's some pictures.

1659
01:25:01,740 --> 01:25:04,040
Speaker 3: That's the ballroom with the fucking bar. I mean, they

1660
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,220
Speaker 3: did hang out there, though, the family.

1661
01:25:06,600 --> 01:25:06,980
Speaker 2: They did?

1662
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:09,229
Speaker 3: Well, they lived there. Oh, oh. You know what I mean.

1663
01:25:09,750 --> 01:25:12,189
Speaker 3: That's the creepy-ass fucking ballroom. They just stood in.

1664
01:25:12,170 --> 01:25:12,970
Speaker 2: That room going like that?

1665
01:25:12,990 --> 01:25:15,350
Speaker 3: You know, how you swim. It's kind of like swimming,

1666
01:25:15,710 --> 01:25:17,150
Speaker 3: but just in the ballroom. Yeah.

1667
01:25:17,290 --> 01:25:18,410
Speaker 2: Every night from 7 to 8.

1668
01:25:18,410 --> 01:25:21,849
Speaker 3: I think there's another one, Stephen. Yeah.

1669
01:25:21,870 --> 01:25:21,939
Speaker 4: Ooh.

1670
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:23,389
Speaker 3: It's so crazy.

1671
01:25:23,430 --> 01:25:24,150
Speaker 6: Floors.

1672
01:25:25,970 --> 01:25:32,590
Speaker 3: The house was ultimately bought for $ 2. 289 million. Even though

1673
01:25:32,610 --> 01:25:35,610
Speaker 3: the family, I mean, it's really sad. And a lot

1674
01:25:35,650 --> 01:25:37,960
Speaker 3: of people are super bummed that there was this gorgeous,

1675
01:25:38,240 --> 01:25:43,400
Speaker 3: like historical house that, uh, that then this family bought

1676
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:45,559
Speaker 3: and wouldn't sell it to anyone. They refuse it. Lots

1677
01:25:45,620 --> 01:25:48,040
Speaker 3: of offers and just let it fall into disrepair. And

1678
01:25:48,080 --> 01:25:50,860
Speaker 3: it might just be a teardown because there's so much damage.

1679
01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:53,600
Speaker 3: So it's kind of shitty. No one knows why they

1680
01:25:53,620 --> 01:25:56,520
Speaker 3: did that. They wouldn't explain it to anyone. And it's

1681
01:25:56,560 --> 01:25:58,910
Speaker 3: just this sad, weird, creepy thing on top of the

1682
01:25:58,970 --> 01:26:02,410
Speaker 3: fact that this awful, horrible thing happened in the house before.

1683
01:26:02,510 --> 01:26:05,570
Speaker 3: It's almost like the house itself is this entity where

1684
01:26:05,650 --> 01:26:07,269
Speaker 3: only weird shit can happen in it.

1685
01:26:08,030 --> 01:26:10,320
Speaker 2: It's an entity that makes you store things.

1686
01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 3: It's just box it up.

1687
01:26:12,820 --> 01:26:15,340
Speaker 2: There's a voice that whispers box it up all night

1688
01:26:16,420 --> 01:26:17,080
Speaker 2: as you sleep.

1689
01:26:17,200 --> 01:26:18,200
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just feel like it.

1690
01:26:18,960 --> 01:26:21,020
Speaker 2: I feel like we can't use the closets in our

1691
01:26:21,060 --> 01:26:21,920
Speaker 2: own home anymore.

1692
01:26:23,560 --> 01:26:25,390
Speaker 3: It's just, they're creepy too. I want to know what

1693
01:26:25,410 --> 01:26:27,530
Speaker 3: the fuck was going on with them. It's super creepy.

1694
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:30,590
Speaker 2: That should be the thing for the next, the web sleuths.

1695
01:26:30,630 --> 01:26:33,390
Speaker 2: They need to get all up in the Enriquez's business.

1696
01:26:33,770 --> 01:26:34,650
Speaker 2: Go to their house.

1697
01:26:34,990 --> 01:26:40,330
Speaker 3: Squat in there. Well, do it. Well, they died. So,

1698
01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 3: I forgot to say, the reason it went up for

1699
01:26:44,380 --> 01:26:47,990
Speaker 3: sale is because Rudy died in his 80s. And so

1700
01:26:48,010 --> 01:26:51,630
Speaker 3: the house went up on auction, you know? Yeah. It

1701
01:26:51,689 --> 01:26:54,750
Speaker 3: sold for 2.2, blah, blah, blah. And it was bought

1702
01:26:54,770 --> 01:26:58,690
Speaker 3: by TV legal analyst Lisa Bloom, who happens to be

1703
01:26:58,729 --> 01:27:02,070
Speaker 3: Gloria Allred's daughter. Oh, shit. I know. And you're like, oh,

1704
01:27:02,090 --> 01:27:05,170
Speaker 3: she's probably creepy. I like that she's... She knows some shit.

1705
01:27:05,229 --> 01:27:06,690
Speaker 3: I don't know why I feel that way about her.

1706
01:27:07,260 --> 01:27:08,280
Speaker 3: Maybe because she bought this house.

1707
01:27:08,360 --> 01:27:11,979
Speaker 2: No, because everybody knows it's the Los Feliz murder house.

1708
01:27:12,020 --> 01:27:13,780
Speaker 3: And they were the only people who put a bid

1709
01:27:13,860 --> 01:27:14,420
Speaker 3: on it, too.

1710
01:27:14,620 --> 01:27:17,660
Speaker 2: Right. And Katy Perry, probably. She would have gotten in there.

1711
01:27:18,280 --> 01:27:19,940
Speaker 2: If she had known, she was probably on tour.

1712
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:26,070
Speaker 3: So why Harold Perilson committed this crime it's still a

1713
01:27:26,110 --> 01:27:29,870
Speaker 3: fucking mystery and unless one of the kids comes forward

1714
01:27:29,930 --> 01:27:33,250
Speaker 3: and writes their tell all or says what happened about

1715
01:27:33,290 --> 01:27:36,010
Speaker 3: the family we'll never know what happened that night for

1716
01:27:36,050 --> 01:27:39,310
Speaker 3: sure and that is the Los Feliz murder mansion wow

1717
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 3: that's a good one and I'm gonna check this you

1718
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:46,540
Speaker 3: guys better drive by before they make it all Hollywood

1719
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:52,060
Speaker 3: and shit Okay, we're back.

1720
01:27:52,300 --> 01:27:53,440
Speaker 2: Are there updates for this one?

1721
01:27:53,520 --> 01:27:57,200
Speaker 1: There actually are. In late 2020, Lisa Bloom sold the

1722
01:27:57,240 --> 01:28:02,510
Speaker 1: house for $ 2. 35 million to an LLC represented by a

1723
01:28:02,570 --> 01:28:07,950
Speaker 1: contractor named Effies Lotnisky. Bloom reportedly sold the property because

1724
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:10,929
Speaker 1: of renovation and permitting issues. I feel like that house,

1725
01:28:11,030 --> 01:28:15,550
Speaker 1: it was in such disrepair that... remodeling it would be

1726
01:28:15,830 --> 01:28:16,710
Speaker 1: millions and millions.

1727
01:28:16,890 --> 01:28:19,110
Speaker 2: I mean, I wonder, maybe you looked it up, but

1728
01:28:19,150 --> 01:28:21,670
Speaker 2: like what happens to a house that just sits there

1729
01:28:21,770 --> 01:28:23,849
Speaker 2: closed up for 40 years?

1730
01:28:24,030 --> 01:28:26,509
Speaker 3: Well, there was one in my neighborhood, actually.

1731
01:28:26,530 --> 01:28:26,590
Speaker 2: Oh.

1732
01:28:27,370 --> 01:28:30,550
Speaker 1: That was one of the original houses in the neighborhood. So,

1733
01:28:30,590 --> 01:28:34,050
Speaker 1: you know, like the 20s or 30s. And it costs

1734
01:28:34,090 --> 01:28:35,990
Speaker 1: so much money that they had to list it for

1735
01:28:36,030 --> 01:28:38,710
Speaker 1: like $ 7 million, which no one in my neighborhood is

1736
01:28:38,750 --> 01:28:39,810
Speaker 1: going to buy a fucking $ 7 million house.

1737
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 4: House.

1738
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:40,940
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1739
01:28:41,320 --> 01:28:43,180
Speaker 3: So it just doesn't make sense. But in Los Feliz,

1740
01:28:43,360 --> 01:28:46,200
Speaker 3: they would. Right. You see that. So I'm sure they

1741
01:28:46,220 --> 01:28:47,660
Speaker 3: bought it and who knows.

1742
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,370
Speaker 1: Anyways, in 2024, the New York Post reported that Zlotlinsky

1743
01:28:51,490 --> 01:28:54,890
Speaker 1: had defaulted on over $ 3 million in accrued interest and

1744
01:28:54,930 --> 01:28:56,390
Speaker 1: was at risk of foreclosure.

1745
01:28:56,410 --> 01:28:56,930
Speaker 2: Been there.

1746
01:28:56,950 --> 01:28:57,030
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1747
01:28:58,020 --> 01:29:00,280
Speaker 1: The house has since been put back on the market.

1748
01:29:00,300 --> 01:29:02,220
Speaker 1: The exact date is unclear, but it seems like in

1749
01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:06,549
Speaker 1: late 2024. Now listed for just under $ 3 million. This

1750
01:29:06,590 --> 01:29:09,030
Speaker 1: is an uninhabitable house in.

1751
01:29:08,950 --> 01:29:09,950
Speaker 3: Los Angeles, everyone.

1752
01:29:09,970 --> 01:29:10,590
Speaker 2: It's so Los Angeles.

1753
01:29:10,610 --> 01:29:12,850
Speaker 3: Just so you know. Like, that's what it's like.

1754
01:29:13,210 --> 01:29:13,790
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1755
01:29:14,050 --> 01:29:17,170
Speaker 1: One of the listing agents is Jason Oppenheim of Selling

1756
01:29:17,210 --> 01:29:17,950
Speaker 1: Sunset fame.

1757
01:29:18,830 --> 01:29:19,050
Speaker 3: Oh.

1758
01:29:19,510 --> 01:29:21,729
Speaker 1: I remember when it went on the market and you

1759
01:29:21,790 --> 01:29:24,240
Speaker 1: could see all the photos and there's like a ballroom.

1760
01:29:24,260 --> 01:29:27,910
Speaker 3: I mean, it's really fancy. fucking cool house. I remember

1761
01:29:27,990 --> 01:29:29,930
Speaker 3: Vince saying, absolutely not.

1762
01:29:31,110 --> 01:29:31,790
Speaker 2: He's not going in.

1763
01:29:31,830 --> 01:29:35,729
Speaker 3: Would you ever let me buy that? Yeah, but I'm

1764
01:29:35,770 --> 01:29:37,990
Speaker 3: not fucking living in it. Yeah.

1765
01:29:38,010 --> 01:29:39,010
Speaker 2: That's when you go solo.

1766
01:29:39,490 --> 01:29:39,889
Speaker 3: Exactly.

1767
01:29:39,910 --> 01:29:43,830
Speaker 2: And just go live in a haunted house alone. That

1768
01:29:43,890 --> 01:29:44,650
Speaker 2: is the craziest.

1769
01:29:44,810 --> 01:29:48,090
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think new Exactly Right Media offices, maybe?

1770
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:50,710
Speaker 2: Or we raise the building entirely and just build a

1771
01:29:50,750 --> 01:29:51,640
Speaker 2: nice peace garden.

1772
01:29:51,650 --> 01:29:53,830
Speaker 3: Oh, I like that. Come on. Come on, everybody.

1773
01:29:54,250 --> 01:29:56,050
Speaker 2: Okay, it's time to go back into the episode to

1774
01:29:56,130 --> 01:29:59,130
Speaker 2: listen to the hometown that we get from the audience member.

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01:30:05,470 --> 01:30:09,850
Speaker 3: Do we have time for a hometown? Oh, hell yeah. Yes.

1776
01:30:14,260 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 2: Marie Enriquez walks up here. I'll tell you what I

1777
01:30:18,300 --> 01:30:18,960
Speaker 2: did with that.

1778
01:30:19,560 --> 01:30:25,510
Speaker 3: Oh, no. Those SpaghettiOs, motherfuckers. I ate the whole box.

1779
01:30:26,070 --> 01:30:26,910
Speaker 3: Tell them the rules.

1780
01:30:27,790 --> 01:30:31,390
Speaker 2: Oh, all right. Well, having been on this tour for

1781
01:30:31,810 --> 01:30:33,930
Speaker 2: a year and a half, we've seen some hometowns, good

1782
01:30:33,970 --> 01:30:39,730
Speaker 2: and bad, amazing and fine. And based on those experiences,

1783
01:30:39,800 --> 01:30:42,339
Speaker 2: we've made a couple rules. So obviously, we want you

1784
01:30:42,350 --> 01:30:44,920
Speaker 2: to do a hometown that's from Los Angeles. It's relevant

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01:30:44,939 --> 01:30:47,220
Speaker 2: to the people in this room. It doesn't have to

1786
01:30:47,260 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 2: be like California.

1787
01:30:48,620 --> 01:30:48,700
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1788
01:30:49,000 --> 01:30:50,750
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Southland.

1789
01:30:51,090 --> 01:30:53,410
Speaker 2: Nobody gives a shit about, like, Modesto.

1790
01:30:53,430 --> 01:30:58,179
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. Look, let's be honest. Listen, listen, listen.

1791
01:30:58,240 --> 01:30:58,300
Speaker 4: Um.

1792
01:31:00,490 --> 01:31:02,830
Speaker 2: You can be drunk, but you can't be so drunk

1793
01:31:02,850 --> 01:31:05,010
Speaker 2: you can't tell your own story. You have to be

1794
01:31:05,030 --> 01:31:07,580
Speaker 2: able to track your own talking as you do it.

1795
01:31:07,590 --> 01:31:10,130
Speaker 3: Remember the girl who was like, I'm on Xanax. Okay,

1796
01:31:10,189 --> 01:31:13,110
Speaker 3: and then just fucking went for it? Yeah. She did great. Yeah,

1797
01:31:13,250 --> 01:31:16,590
Speaker 3: she was good. She used the alcohol to her advantage.

1798
01:31:16,930 --> 01:31:21,389
Speaker 2: There's some people that they start strong and then seven

1799
01:31:21,430 --> 01:31:24,090
Speaker 2: sentences in they realize where they are and what they're doing.

1800
01:31:24,110 --> 01:31:26,870
Speaker 2: They're like, I didn't buy tickets to this. What the

1801
01:31:26,910 --> 01:31:27,740
Speaker 2: fuck is going on?

1802
01:31:29,090 --> 01:31:30,050
Speaker 3: Everything gets real slow.

1803
01:31:32,010 --> 01:31:34,270
Speaker 2: You know, just kind of make it snappy. Remember that

1804
01:31:34,310 --> 01:31:36,189
Speaker 2: if you get picked, everyone else hates you, so they

1805
01:31:36,210 --> 01:31:38,150
Speaker 2: don't really want to watch you tell a story, so

1806
01:31:38,170 --> 01:31:40,570
Speaker 2: you have to really bring it on a high level

1807
01:31:40,600 --> 01:31:41,700
Speaker 2: if you don't think you can do that.

1808
01:31:44,640 --> 01:31:50,180
Speaker 3: No improvisers. Just kidding. I think that's it, right? Okay, yeah.

1809
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 3: And I've been picking, and I've been pretty... I'm going

1810
01:31:52,460 --> 01:31:54,700
Speaker 3: to run, so don't fucking ruin this for me.

1811
01:31:55,229 --> 01:31:56,850
Speaker 2: We were going back and forth, and it would be

1812
01:31:56,890 --> 01:31:59,360
Speaker 2: like whoever... If you picked a person and they didn't

1813
01:31:59,380 --> 01:32:00,660
Speaker 2: do a good job, then the other person, it was

1814
01:32:00,780 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 2: now the next person's turn to do it.

1815
01:32:02,620 --> 01:32:03,320
Speaker 3: And I'm on a roll.

1816
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:05,290
Speaker 2: Georgia's been doing it for like the last 11, so.

1817
01:32:05,310 --> 01:32:07,670
Speaker 3: Uh, uh. Okay, let's get.

1818
01:32:07,689 --> 01:32:08,310
Speaker 2: So she's on it.

1819
01:32:08,390 --> 01:32:10,850
Speaker 3: Okay. Right, yeah, right here.

1820
01:32:10,970 --> 01:32:11,430
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1821
01:32:12,470 --> 01:32:14,030
Speaker 3: I love when you and I point at someone who's

1822
01:32:14,050 --> 01:32:16,230
Speaker 3: like wildly waving their hand and then their face just

1823
01:32:16,270 --> 01:32:18,490
Speaker 3: falls and like an, oh shit, I didn't mean that

1824
01:32:18,510 --> 01:32:24,520
Speaker 3: kind of way. Hi. Hi, how are you? Good, good, good, good, good, good. Hi.

1825
01:32:26,060 --> 01:32:27,000
Speaker 2: What's your name?

1826
01:32:27,300 --> 01:32:28,919
Speaker 3: Mona. Here, stand here.

1827
01:32:28,960 --> 01:32:29,400
Speaker 2: Center up.

1828
01:32:29,900 --> 01:32:31,660
Speaker 3: Here we go. This is Mona. Think of the stage picture.

1829
01:32:31,680 --> 01:32:34,759
Speaker 3: Thank God it's dark. I know, right? Where are you from, Mona?

1830
01:32:35,240 --> 01:32:38,100
Speaker 3: I'm from up the coast a little ways. Ventura.

1831
01:32:38,340 --> 01:32:39,740
Speaker 2: Oh, Ventura.

1832
01:32:39,820 --> 01:32:43,500
Speaker 3: Ventura. I love Ventura. Are you a surfer? God, no.

1833
01:32:45,870 --> 01:32:47,870
Speaker 3: No balance. What do you do for a living? I

1834
01:32:48,590 --> 01:32:49,370
Speaker 3: sell insurance.

1835
01:32:49,729 --> 01:32:49,969
Speaker 5: Cool.

1836
01:32:49,990 --> 01:32:53,170
Speaker 3: All right. We all need it. It's true. It's true.

1837
01:32:53,729 --> 01:32:54,630
Speaker 3: So what's your hometown?

1838
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:57,440
Speaker 4: So, okay, a long time ago when I was in

1839
01:32:57,479 --> 01:33:01,320
Speaker 4: like the seventh or eighth grade, I had this, there

1840
01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:04,020
Speaker 4: was a teaching team at my high and middle school, Mr.

1841
01:33:04,040 --> 01:33:04,380
Speaker 3: And Mrs.

1842
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:04,780
Speaker 2: Shirley.

1843
01:33:05,420 --> 01:33:07,980
Speaker 4: And my brother was on the track team with, I

1844
01:33:08,000 --> 01:33:08,640
Speaker 4: think it was Jake Bush.

1845
01:33:08,660 --> 01:33:09,240
Speaker 3: Jake Bush.

1846
01:33:10,530 --> 01:33:14,090
Speaker 4: So what happens is Miss Shirley is super nice. She's

1847
01:33:14,110 --> 01:33:15,110
Speaker 4: like my English teacher.

1848
01:33:15,150 --> 01:33:15,429
Speaker 3: Mr.

1849
01:33:15,490 --> 01:33:20,430
Speaker 4: Shirley is like my history teacher. And one day Miss

1850
01:33:20,450 --> 01:33:21,809
Speaker 4: Shirley comes home with Jake Bush.

1851
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:22,590
Speaker 3: Mr.

1852
01:33:22,630 --> 01:33:24,860
Speaker 4: Shirley is, I think, still grading papers or whatever.

1853
01:33:25,979 --> 01:33:27,360
Speaker 3: They come home. The house is robbed.

1854
01:33:28,140 --> 01:33:30,700
Speaker 2: And it's like fucked up beyond all belief.

1855
01:33:30,760 --> 01:33:33,280
Speaker 3: Shit's everywhere. So in shock, they just go in.

1856
01:33:33,320 --> 01:33:36,340
Speaker 4: And the mom's like, oh, shit. She starts going to

1857
01:33:36,380 --> 01:33:39,620
Speaker 4: get the phone to call the cops. Jake being a

1858
01:33:39,680 --> 01:33:43,960
Speaker 4: fucking 16, 17 year old runs into his bedroom to

1859
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:44,540
Speaker 4: see if any of.

1860
01:33:44,580 --> 01:33:49,240
Speaker 3: His shit's fucked up. So what happens is the dude's

1861
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:54,190
Speaker 3: still fricking there. No, no, no, no. He's behind the door.

1862
01:33:56,210 --> 01:33:57,310
Speaker 2: That's where you don't want them.

1863
01:33:57,550 --> 01:33:58,170
Speaker 4: No.

1864
01:33:58,189 --> 01:33:58,950
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

1865
01:33:59,890 --> 01:34:04,969
Speaker 4: So the fucked up thing is he was just there.

1866
01:34:05,050 --> 01:34:06,410
Speaker 3: He didn't like flee or anything.

1867
01:34:07,150 --> 01:34:08,530
Speaker 4: He stabs poor Jake.

1868
01:34:11,560 --> 01:34:15,280
Speaker 3: Jake is screaming. His mom runs into the room. The

1869
01:34:15,300 --> 01:34:16,180
Speaker 3: guy runs out.

1870
01:34:16,860 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 4: She literally is holding him, trying to stop the bleeding.

1871
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:24,189
Speaker 4: And he dies in her arms. Jake!

1872
01:34:25,340 --> 01:34:28,160
Speaker 3: It gets worse. It always does.

1873
01:34:28,700 --> 01:34:32,860
Speaker 4: So it like rocked the community. I remember being in

1874
01:34:32,900 --> 01:34:34,720
Speaker 4: the class on the last day of school because they

1875
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:39,060
Speaker 4: finished the fucking school year and Miss Shirley cried at everything.

1876
01:34:39,090 --> 01:34:42,870
Speaker 3: She still came to class? She taught school? Cut the

1877
01:34:42,910 --> 01:34:47,429
Speaker 3: school year short. Isn't it hard enough for teachers? It's... Right?

1878
01:34:47,550 --> 01:34:49,050
Speaker 3: And I remember him, like, Mr.

1879
01:34:49,110 --> 01:34:51,950
Speaker 4: Shirley giving this moving speech about how we really helped

1880
01:34:51,990 --> 01:34:54,880
Speaker 4: them through it and all this. I remember sewing the

1881
01:34:54,939 --> 01:34:58,939
Speaker 4: fucking memorial black patch of my brother's track uniform.

1882
01:34:59,180 --> 01:35:00,120
Speaker 3: So it was awful.

1883
01:35:00,200 --> 01:35:02,720
Speaker 4: It was never really solved. It just sat there for

1884
01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:08,780
Speaker 4: years and years and years. Last year, last year, they

1885
01:35:08,820 --> 01:35:12,099
Speaker 4: brought a guy to trial and they convicted him.

1886
01:35:12,970 --> 01:35:14,450
Speaker 3: And it was because.

1887
01:35:14,030 --> 01:35:17,470
Speaker 4: Whoever pulled the palm print off the window pulled it

1888
01:35:17,490 --> 01:35:18,340
Speaker 4: in a way that there was DNA.

1889
01:35:18,430 --> 01:35:33,120
Speaker 3: Ooh. And he shit in the closet? they fucking ran

1890
01:35:33,320 --> 01:35:36,500
Speaker 3: his shit dna and they got a match of codas

1891
01:35:37,320 --> 01:35:41,320
Speaker 3: holy shit right well and how.

1892
01:35:41,220 --> 01:35:43,220
Speaker 4: Don't you have to be not only you in this

1893
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,389
Speaker 4: house you robbed it you're there long enough that you

1894
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:47,889
Speaker 4: have to take a dump you don't use a fucking

1895
01:35:47,910 --> 01:35:48,930
Speaker 4: toilet you.

1896
01:35:48,729 --> 01:35:51,130
Speaker 2: Shit in the closets Well, it might have been after

1897
01:35:51,150 --> 01:35:53,469
Speaker 2: they got home, so he was really trapped.

1898
01:35:53,490 --> 01:35:56,070
Speaker 3: It's true. It was a bad situation.

1899
01:35:56,090 --> 01:35:59,179
Speaker 4: So, long story short, his own shit did him in,

1900
01:35:59,660 --> 01:36:02,660
Speaker 4: and he's behind bars where he should be.

1901
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:04,059
Speaker 2: Yay! Wow.

1902
01:36:04,700 --> 01:36:06,670
Speaker 3: Wow. That's how you do it.

1903
01:36:07,070 --> 01:36:08,689
Speaker 2: That's how you tell a hometown murder.

1904
01:36:08,729 --> 01:36:10,030
Speaker 3: Oh, we have a present for you.

1905
01:36:10,070 --> 01:36:10,630
Speaker 2: That's it. Oh.

1906
01:36:11,290 --> 01:36:13,710
Speaker 3: Look at this cool, you have a prize. Thank you.

1907
01:36:13,930 --> 01:36:17,270
Speaker 3: Orpheum gave us these incredible hats. And on the back,

1908
01:36:17,450 --> 01:36:20,900
Speaker 3: it says, Live Nation presents my favorite murder. Sold out

1909
01:36:20,979 --> 01:36:27,260
Speaker 3: March 16th, 2018. It's a one of a kind. So good.

1910
01:36:28,340 --> 01:36:28,980
Speaker 3: That was amazing.

1911
01:36:29,080 --> 01:36:29,960
Speaker 2: I'll take that from you.

1912
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,309
Speaker 3: Yeah, you can't have that. Thank you. Oh, my God.

1913
01:36:32,860 --> 01:36:35,280
Speaker 3: That is how you do a hometown. I mean, twists

1914
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:37,600
Speaker 3: and turns. I was way down here and sad, and

1915
01:36:37,620 --> 01:36:38,740
Speaker 3: I'm like, how are we going to get out of this?

1916
01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:40,150
Speaker 3: And then it, like, got here.

1917
01:36:40,160 --> 01:36:42,710
Speaker 2: I did not see the shit coming at all.

1918
01:36:43,570 --> 01:36:46,070
Speaker 3: None of us did. You never see the shit coming.

1919
01:36:46,090 --> 01:36:52,530
Speaker 3: We never do. Fuck. Okay, we're back. Karen, are there

1920
01:36:52,590 --> 01:36:54,229
Speaker 3: any updates on this hometown?

1921
01:36:54,410 --> 01:36:59,280
Speaker 2: Marco Antonio Casillas' conviction was upheld. on a direct appeal

1922
01:36:59,780 --> 01:37:03,400
Speaker 2: in 2019. And then in 2023, a California appeals court

1923
01:37:03,460 --> 01:37:08,060
Speaker 2: rejected his request for resentencing, ruling that the evidence established

1924
01:37:08,140 --> 01:37:11,970
Speaker 2: he was the person who stabbed Jake Bush. Casillas continued

1925
01:37:12,050 --> 01:37:15,210
Speaker 2: challenging his conviction in federal court, arguing in part that

1926
01:37:15,250 --> 01:37:19,129
Speaker 2: the jury should have heard more evidence about another possible suspect.

1927
01:37:19,490 --> 01:37:22,330
Speaker 2: The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals rejected that challenge in

1928
01:37:22,410 --> 01:37:25,710
Speaker 2: March of 2025, and the U.S. Supreme Court declined to

1929
01:37:25,790 --> 01:37:29,660
Speaker 2: hear his case. on October 6, 2025, leaving his sentence

1930
01:37:29,700 --> 01:37:31,740
Speaker 2: of life without parole intact.

1931
01:37:32,050 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

1932
01:37:33,100 --> 01:37:36,130
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, I mean, that's pretty final. It feels like

1933
01:37:36,150 --> 01:37:37,910
Speaker 2: they ran it through every court possible.

1934
01:37:38,450 --> 01:37:38,910
Speaker 3: Totally.

1935
01:37:39,410 --> 01:37:42,590
Speaker 2: Well, that's this episode, a pretty big one in my mind.

1936
01:37:42,610 --> 01:37:45,030
Speaker 2: It's a pretty, it's up there for me. It was

1937
01:37:45,090 --> 01:37:48,270
Speaker 2: originally titled Live at the Orpheum Theater in Los Angeles.

1938
01:37:48,510 --> 01:37:50,590
Speaker 3: But if we were naming it today, based on some

1939
01:37:50,870 --> 01:37:52,969
Speaker 3: fucking thing that came out of one of our mouths.

1940
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 3: On stage, maybe it would be. What about emergency child phone?

1941
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:00,560
Speaker 3: We could do that. We could do old scissor. A

1942
01:38:00,620 --> 01:38:04,769
Speaker 3: quick train to death bill. That's good. Fitting room nude.

1943
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:08,410
Speaker 3: All right. Well, thanks for listening. Let's say goodbye from

1944
01:38:08,450 --> 01:38:10,210
Speaker 3: the stage, the theater.

1945
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:10,790
Speaker 2: The theater.

1946
01:38:11,070 --> 01:38:15,050
Speaker 1: The Orpheum Theater in 2018.

1947
01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:19,950
Speaker 3: This is the last night of our big tour, our

1948
01:38:19,970 --> 01:38:28,200
Speaker 3: winter tour. We're home. We're home. We're home. To be

1949
01:38:28,260 --> 01:38:29,630
Speaker 3: here in our own hometown.

1950
01:38:29,720 --> 01:38:34,440
Speaker 2: In Hollywood in a place where people are professionally disinterested

1951
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:38,540
Speaker 2: in everything everything everyone else is doing it's fucking amazing

1952
01:38:38,560 --> 01:38:41,260
Speaker 2: to do something have a show that sells out have

1953
01:38:41,300 --> 01:38:43,460
Speaker 2: this many people give a shit about what you're doing

1954
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,180
Speaker 2: thank you so much for everything.

1955
01:38:49,240 --> 01:38:53,390
Speaker 3: Uh We are so incredibly lucky that we get to

1956
01:38:53,430 --> 01:38:56,890
Speaker 3: do this as a job. And thank you guys for

1957
01:38:56,910 --> 01:39:01,450
Speaker 3: making this incredible community around this horrible thing we talk about,

1958
01:39:01,470 --> 01:39:04,490
Speaker 3: but making it positive. We're so lucky to be a

1959
01:39:04,510 --> 01:39:06,269
Speaker 3: part of it, and we appreciate so much what you

1960
01:39:06,290 --> 01:39:06,990
Speaker 3: guys have done for us.

1961
01:39:07,050 --> 01:39:08,170
Speaker 2: So thanks for being here.

1962
01:39:08,189 --> 01:39:13,670
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you. Thanks for... Thanks for doing this whole

1963
01:39:13,729 --> 01:39:14,349
Speaker 3: thing with us.

1964
01:39:14,470 --> 01:39:17,440
Speaker 2: We really and very literally couldn't do it without you.

1965
01:39:17,500 --> 01:39:19,980
Speaker 3: Thanks to Vince for being our tour manager. Vince has

1966
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:23,400
Speaker 3: been our tour manager. Just do a quick... Come on, Vince.

1967
01:39:23,600 --> 01:39:25,059
Speaker 3: He doesn't want you. This is the man that makes

1968
01:39:25,140 --> 01:39:30,370
Speaker 3: it happen on the road. Yeah. Yes. Thank you.

1969
01:39:30,910 --> 01:39:33,190
Speaker 2: He literally sometimes will be like, you just need to

1970
01:39:33,250 --> 01:39:34,230
Speaker 2: eat a little salad.

1971
01:39:35,070 --> 01:39:39,090
Speaker 3: It's the nicest thing in the world. Uh, yeah, this is,

1972
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:41,270
Speaker 3: we're lucky. This is amazing. We're very happy.

1973
01:39:41,310 --> 01:39:43,890
Speaker 2: And when mostly we just want you to stay sexy.

1974
01:39:47,910 --> 01:39:48,910
Speaker 3: Elvis, do you want a cookie?