WEBVTT - How Satanism Works 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:03.120 Hey, everybody, it's us Josh and Chuck, and we just 0:00:03.160 --> 0:00:06.400 wanted to say that if you have very strong religious beliefs, 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.760 I don't know, you may want to skip this one. Yeah. 0:00:08.800 --> 0:00:11.400 You know, we talked about Satanism in this episode and 0:00:12.160 --> 0:00:15.320 what seems like glowing terms, but um, for my part 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:17.079 at least, I was just trying to have a little 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.880 fun with it, So I hope that comes across. Yeah, 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:23.320 we have an intellectual conversation about Satanism. How about that? 0:00:23.520 --> 0:00:28.480 All right? Agreed? Alright, Well, onto the show. Chuck, welcome 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:38.240 to Stuff you Should Know from how Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:41.400 and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark. Seated directly 0:00:41.440 --> 0:00:45.960 across from me is one Charles w Wayne, Charles Chuckers, 0:00:46.159 --> 0:00:52.600 Chuck Bryant. That's pretty good, yells above himself and there 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:59.440 is um old scratch to my right. Matt, Matt, do 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:01.360 you let people well know your last name? Oh? Yeah, 0:01:01.360 --> 0:01:05.360 you're a personality, Matt Frederick, But I don't want him 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:10.080 to get kidnapped. Guest producer Matt Frederick of The Old Days, Uh, 0:01:10.280 --> 0:01:12.240 co host of Stuff They Don't Want You to Know 0:01:12.560 --> 0:01:17.240 and now supervising producer for Podcasts man, we don't let 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.319 our producers talk on our episodes, so we're gonna have 0:01:20.319 --> 0:01:24.400 to beat that out. Matt says, that was a huge announcement. 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.880 You just said, yeah, nice, well congrats Matt, and Matt's 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:33.920 been working here forever just like us. Nice lovely wife, 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:40.000 lovely child, great family, loves Indian food. I didn't know that. 0:01:40.080 --> 0:01:43.040 Oh yeah, yeah, it's as bread and butter as it were. 0:01:43.080 --> 0:01:45.800 It's a gey and non. Now he's afraid to talk, 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:52.960 which he should be. Uh, Matt's here. Yeah, so thank you, Matt. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.600 And Hail Satan. I was gonna say, Hail Satan, Hal Satan, 0:01:56.680 --> 0:02:01.160 Chuck Hal Satan. Josh. It's funny I it from and 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:10.520 when reading this, the thinking Satanists are just libertarians too. No, 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:14.000 Satanis are kind of Republicans. And I don't mean that. 0:02:14.120 --> 0:02:16.880 You'll see what I mean philosophically in some ways I 0:02:16.919 --> 0:02:23.560 don't mean. And then I thought, I'm a Satanist. Did 0:02:23.560 --> 0:02:25.799 you did you have a wit? I mean, I've read 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:28.239 some of the stuff and the there f a Q 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:31.600 on their website and some of their fundamentals, and they're there. 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.360 There are eleven rules of Earth and their nine Satanic 0:02:35.400 --> 0:02:38.359 statements will read all that stuff. I thought, geez, I 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:40.800 agree with a lot of stuff. They're thirteen things to 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:45.600 avoid getting gouged at the grocery store. What Satanists are not, 0:02:45.840 --> 0:02:53.080 almost assuredly, are not ah evil people who meet in 0:02:54.240 --> 0:02:59.160 dark churches to perform ritual blood sacrifice and eat hearts 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:03.840 and draw pentagrams on they may draw pagrams. Yeah, that's 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:07.040 that part is actually true. But there's there's more things 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.880 that Satanists are not. I think if you're coming into 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:14.920 this blind um without knowing anything, you'll probably be surprised 0:03:15.520 --> 0:03:19.480 about just how kind of groovy they are. And this 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:22.239 is the Church of Satan. But I'm talking about mainly. 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:24.919 Uh No, I think you can. You can apply to 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.680 what you just said to all Satanists, because if you're 0:03:28.680 --> 0:03:31.360 a Satanist, you would take umbrage at the idea that 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:39.840 somebody who actually believes in the supernatural entity Satan as 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:44.360 not a Satanist, because Satanism, by definition, at least modern 0:03:44.400 --> 0:03:48.960 Satanism by definition, is an atheistic philosophy. So there's no 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:53.800 supernatural entities of any kind to Satanists, So somebody who 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:57.440 worships Satan would be a devil worshiper is a completely 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.960 different kind of thing. Yeah, and I didn't even finish 0:04:01.000 --> 0:04:03.840 the last thing. Well, no, I mean I got off track. 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:05.760 The last thing I thought when I was reading about 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:08.600 the Temple of Satan is that these are just liberal hippies. 0:04:08.920 --> 0:04:13.800 The temple is Satan, the Satanic Temple, sat Temple. They are, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:17.560 they are. Um. I saw them compared to or analogized 0:04:17.600 --> 0:04:22.279 as a dark yes men. You know the yes Men. No, oh, 0:04:22.400 --> 0:04:24.640 you gotta check out the yes Men. There's a couple 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:27.200 of yes Men documentaries and they basically do this, but 0:04:27.240 --> 0:04:30.520 it's not satanically associated. And I wonder why it was 0:04:30.560 --> 0:04:32.880 satanically associated, Like it sounds like you're a bunch of 0:04:33.240 --> 0:04:37.600 liberal hippie scientists to me, Well, we'll get into all that. Okay, Okay, 0:04:37.640 --> 0:04:40.920 So we're talking Satanists and Satanism. If you couldn't tell, 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.520 because we have been saying Satan a lot um and if, 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:49.040 like Chuck said, um, you're coming into this blind, let 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:53.440 us illuminate for you. Let us bring the light. And 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:57.279 we both group gotes for this episode exactly typically and 0:04:57.279 --> 0:05:00.200 shaped our heads and horns. John and Strickland actually could 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:04.160 do a sort of an amateur Anton LaVey if he 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.400 wanted to, he could. I'm sure he does at home, 0:05:06.440 --> 0:05:10.120 if you know what I mean. All right, so let's 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:11.919 go back and this is a grabstor article, so you 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.200 know it's got the goods um and talk a little 0:05:15.200 --> 0:05:19.680 bit about the origin story of Satan, which, um, we 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:21.919 will lead up to sort of what the modern version 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.359 of that is. But if you're thinking red guy with 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:29.880 a pitch fork and pointy hooves, it's uh tries to 0:05:30.000 --> 0:05:34.240 lure people away from God to do bad things. That 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:36.080 kind of came around later. So we need to go 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:39.479 back further to the Hebrew Bible, which the Christian Old 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.880 Testament is derived from. And there's a lot of uncertainty 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.760 on what Satan actually meant, depending on how you want 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.680 to translate the Hebrew term, right. And the reason there's 0:05:49.720 --> 0:05:56.120 uncertainty is because Satan wasn't a figure in early Judaism. 0:05:56.160 --> 0:06:03.160 Because the early Jews believed that all God was all things. 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:06.720 God was good, God was evil, God was responsible for 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:11.080 everything in the universe. There wasn't what we understand now 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:15.360 or anybody who thinks of the Judeo Christian ethic now, Um, 0:06:16.720 --> 0:06:20.159 there wasn't dualism, which is, there's good and the bad, 0:06:20.200 --> 0:06:24.120 there's light and the dark, and they they equal each 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:26.560 other out. And early Judaism this didn't exist. It was 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:28.720 all in one, so there was no need for Satan, right, 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:34.920 But as this concept of an all benevolent, loving God spread, 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:39.080 this question arose, which was, well, wait a minute, if 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:42.080 God is just so benevolent and loving, why does he 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:46.640 why does he or she um let bad things happen? 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:51.560 And so the need for the concept of Satan emerged 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:58.240 later on, and because of the um early Judaism's proximity 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:03.960 to Persia, which was ruling the land at the time 0:07:03.960 --> 0:07:07.280 at about like the six to third centuries b c. 0:07:07.440 --> 0:07:12.040 E um. Persia had Zoroastrianism, which had dualism. So they 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:17.200 kind of introduced, uh, the Hebrew faith to dualism, and 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:20.920 hence Satan was originally born. Yeah, so there's no like 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.280 consensus when you look at these old texts what these 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:29.200 translations mean. Sometimes it is an adversary or an opponent 0:07:29.280 --> 0:07:33.960 to God. Sometimes it's not. Sometimes it's, uh, he's like 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:39.880 the the an attorney and Heaven's legal system. Throw in 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:44.240 the book at people like um al Pacina. Oh yeah, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:46.520 quite literally, what didn't you play the devil or did 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:51.720 he as a lawyer? Right, devil's advocate with Keanu. I 0:07:51.720 --> 0:07:54.240 don't think I ever saw that. I didn't either, but 0:07:54.280 --> 0:07:59.600 I mean we're both alive at the time, so we know, uh, 0:07:59.640 --> 0:08:02.680 they're uh you know. You look at all these different 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.200 forms of what the word meant back then before it 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:07.160 became the modern version we all know. And the one 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.560 kind of common thread through all of them, though, is 0:08:09.600 --> 0:08:14.160 that Satan was an outsider who was sort of against 0:08:14.240 --> 0:08:17.560 the man and these established values that everyone else seemed 0:08:17.560 --> 0:08:20.520 to believe in right, or established rules, or just even 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:24.920 the establishment in general. Yes, he's the antithesis of that. Correct. 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:28.120 You get into the Christian New Testament and it starts 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:31.400 to clear up a bit um where there is a 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.160 single being called Satan who is supernatural and it's a 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.719 direct opposition to God and is usually used as a 0:08:40.720 --> 0:08:43.520 as a tool God uses as a in the Bible, 0:08:43.559 --> 0:08:45.320 at least as a test like go down there and 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:49.079 test these humans to see if see see which way 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:53.679 their allegiance lay. Right. Um. That Satan's called the scriptural 0:08:53.800 --> 0:08:57.200 Satan or Satan of the scriptures, right, yeah. Um, he 0:08:57.280 --> 0:08:59.400 also kind of comes out of nowhere in the New 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:04.880 Testament to tempt Jesus in the desert, I believe, um. 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:08.079 And I mean you know all this right, am I right? 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:10.360 It was in the desert? Well yeah, and I think 0:09:10.840 --> 0:09:12.680 by the way, just to back up to that last 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.040 episode when the stuttering, when I didn't hear the story 0:09:15.040 --> 0:09:17.640 about Moses the Bible with a coal in his mouth 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:20.000 or whatever, everyone wrote in it was like, it's not 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:23.679 in the Bible. Don't feel bad. It was from something else, right, 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:29.240 it was from the Disney movie. So um. But in 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:33.040 one of the gospels in the New Testament, um, And 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:34.560 no need to write in to let us know. But 0:09:34.640 --> 0:09:36.720 it's in one of the gospels in the New Testament 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:40.800 that Satan appears to Jesus to try to tempt him, 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:43.080 and he's kind of brought in almost like he's a 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.760 character there. Everybody should know. But if you're just reading 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:47.880 the New Testament from beginning to end, you're like, what, 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:52.120 who's this guy? But they apparently another gospel makes mention 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:54.679 that Satan was the serpent in the garden of Eden. 0:09:54.760 --> 0:09:59.960 So he's a big tempter. He's he's bent on corrupting man, 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:05.720 getting man to stray from God's flock basically, yeah, and 0:10:05.760 --> 0:10:09.439 they're these Uh, there's certain demons that are named properly 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:14.640 in the Bible, um, like Beelzebub and belial Um. And 0:10:14.720 --> 0:10:17.720 again it's just sort of conjecture on our part whether 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:20.520 or not that's referring to Satan or whether it's a 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:26.079 generic evil. Um, it's just sort of difficult to what 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:29.120 it wasn't was the devil with the horns and the 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:31.920 pitchfork that we all think about. No, In those earliest 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.360 names for the devil, like Beelzebub are actually corruptions or 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:45.239 alterations of competing religions gods. Right, So early Christianity and um, 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:49.920 I guess Middle Judaism had this kind of tendency to 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:55.280 take other religions gods and make them the evil characters 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:59.440 and their religions because they wanted Christianity to flourish, right, 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.199 exactly wanted to make the competition look bad. As a 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.000 way to do it was a smear tactic and a 0:11:04.120 --> 0:11:08.600 campaign to get converts. Right. So, Bael's Abub is actually 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:15.079 a corruption of ballalls of which is you know, I'm sorry, 0:11:15.120 --> 0:11:24.120 blals of al, but all the ball, the exalted um 0:11:24.200 --> 0:11:27.800 and ball be a Apostrophe A l was the main 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:31.160 deity of the Canaanites and the Phoenicians who were competing 0:11:31.160 --> 0:11:34.560 with the early Christians at the time. And um, if 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:38.400 you say balls of that means Lord of the flies, 0:11:38.880 --> 0:11:42.080 not Lord the Exalted. So it was like it was 0:11:42.200 --> 0:11:45.839 a slam on their the main their competition's main god. 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:48.880 And that's where biel's Abub came from. And that's actually 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.920 that will become a common play in the Christian playbook 0:11:53.240 --> 0:11:57.600 of smearing the other guy's gods by making them um 0:11:57.760 --> 0:12:04.840 evil figures in Chris and mythology Platoo rata bals abub. 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:09.920 Remember there was a Dead Milkman album called Bill's a Bubba, Yes, 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.880 had like that guy in a tractor on the cover 0:12:13.080 --> 0:12:17.600 that was bil Um. Well, the same with Lucifer. And 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:20.520 when we finally got the English language King James Bible 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.160 in sixteen eleven, Lucifer was really a Latin term for 0:12:24.280 --> 0:12:27.200 morning star. But in that version of the Bible they say, no, 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:29.920 what that really is is the name of Satan, right, 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:32.720 And he was the lightbringer, the one who would reveal 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:36.160 the truth to people that they were actually being held 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:42.840 down by God, which is not the Christian way right. 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:44.880 So what you were saying by co opting all these 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.160 are not co opting but well kind of co opting 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:52.440 these bad religions another band um that's actually a real 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.080 band name. Yeah, correct, uh, these bad religions and saying 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.600 those are the bad ones they would. That's how the 0:12:58.720 --> 0:13:00.680 like the devil that we know to today, the Satan 0:13:00.800 --> 0:13:04.840 sorry that we know today has taken shape because they, 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.480 like the Greek god Pan had the cloven hoofs and 0:13:07.520 --> 0:13:11.320 the horns back us. The Roman god is where you 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:18.079 get this instatiable um Bacchanalian decadence um, which, as we'll 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:21.240 see with the Church of satan Um isn't too far off. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:25.360 They certainly love their orgies and they're trades of fine 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:33.120 meats and roasted meats and Jesus um. So in the 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.200 Middle Ages and the Renaissance, then this this mythology, Christian 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.920 mythology has expanded. You get a couple of books that 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:43.560 were very key into shaping who we think of today 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.640 as Satan. One was John Milton's epic poem Paradise Lost, 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:52.320 and then of course Dante's Divine Comedy Um. This is 0:13:52.320 --> 0:13:56.160 where we got the idea that Satan was an angel 0:13:56.400 --> 0:14:01.400 expelled from heaven because of his pride, who then said, 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:06.559 Tony will defeat of the Lord. These are actually from 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.400 two books written by dudes. Yeah, a lot of the 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:14.760 mythology about Satan that Christians understand as Satan, and that 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:19.160 just people in the culture generally understand that Satan don't 0:14:19.200 --> 0:14:22.160 show up anywhere in the actual Bible or Old Testament 0:14:22.240 --> 0:14:26.400 or New Testament. All that stuff came afterwards, So chuck 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:31.520 the The Enlightenment was another turning point then for the 0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:35.400 conception of Satan. And this is his evolution as like 0:14:35.520 --> 0:14:41.720 a scary, supernatural, otherworldly figure. Um. Takes a different turn 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:47.720 because the Enlightenment was based on rational thought. Secular humanism 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:52.520 finds its roots in the Enlightenment, and um, they started 0:14:52.520 --> 0:14:56.920 to come to see Satan as a kind of a 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:01.840 creative force almost yeah, uh full ill to the establishment 0:15:01.880 --> 0:15:06.240 this idea that Satan is um the opposite of the 0:15:06.400 --> 0:15:13.360 established norms and customs and moral goods um, and that 0:15:13.440 --> 0:15:17.000 he's kind of like a handy archetype for that. So 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:23.480 he stops, he loses some of his supernatural um yes, 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:28.160 and is replaced by metaphorical Yeah. And I think that's 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:29.640 that seems to be the one that the Church of 0:15:29.680 --> 0:15:33.040 Satans sort of identified with a little more. Was it 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:37.200 Satan was just a just a freethinking dude. Yeah, apparently 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:39.800 that's where they got That's where it finds its roots. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:43.240 Was the Enlightenment very interesting, which makes sense because most 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:52.600 Satanists would be probably humanists, secular humanists, um, although their individualists, 0:15:52.640 --> 0:15:57.720 but you can make a case that that's an individual humanism, um, 0:15:57.760 --> 0:15:59.960 and that's you know, that comes out of the Enlightenment 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.880 as well. So, um, you want to take a break 0:16:03.360 --> 0:16:05.440 and then keep going, or you want to keep going. Now, 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:06.960 let's take a break and we'll talk a little bit 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:33.720 about witches right after this. So I promised talk of witches. Um, 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:35.520 we did it in the Jeez, that was a long 0:16:35.560 --> 0:16:38.960 time ago. We did an episode on witchcraft, um, many 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.840 many years ago. And if you are a witch or 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:45.720 a Western esoteric, you were probably one of two groups 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.280 of people to be accused of worshiping Satan in the 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:53.880 Middle Ages and the Renaissance. Um. Basically, anything anything in 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:59.760 opposition to organized Christianity was Satan worship, right. And that's 0:16:59.800 --> 0:17:03.640 the same thing as as saying your God, your creator, 0:17:03.720 --> 0:17:08.160 deity is like Satan and our religion. It's the same thing. 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:13.320 Anything that's in opposition to Christian thought is automatically heretical, heretical, 0:17:13.640 --> 0:17:17.400 and the kind of almost like the lazy shorthand way 0:17:17.400 --> 0:17:20.920 of describing it is it's satanic. You know, Satan, He's 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:25.280 scary and evil, right, Well, what these people think is satanic? Yeah, 0:17:25.280 --> 0:17:28.600 And if you listen to the episode on witchcraft, um, 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:30.520 and we haven't, I know stuff you miss in history 0:17:30.520 --> 0:17:34.520 class did a good episode on what really happened in Salem, 0:17:34.560 --> 0:17:36.960 which will probably cover that at some point I mentioned, 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.600 but I think everyone pretty much knows at this point 0:17:40.280 --> 0:17:43.000 about sixty people, mainly women, were put to death in 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:47.760 the American colonies, in Europe and UM under the guise 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:52.240 of being Satan worshippers and witches and practicing witchery, and 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:56.920 by all accounts, they generally were you know that, I 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:58.800 don't like the way that lady looked at me in 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.000 the town today, or you know what she I think 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:04.840 she stole milk from my cow, or I want her land, 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.920 or I want her land, or um, my wife is 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.200 jealous of her. Um. So they're all which is let's 0:18:13.240 --> 0:18:14.919 burn them, let's throw them in lakes and see if 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:18.399 they float, um, and let's burn them, because if they 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.840 don't float, then they're not, which is drowned. And and 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:24.439 early physicians had more than just a small hand in 0:18:24.480 --> 0:18:29.480 this as well. They in accusing especially like folk healers 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:33.400 and midwives of being, which is again to basically force 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.520 the competition out. Yeah, where do we talk about that 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:42.439 one in that's more recent? Remember? Maybe talk about that 0:18:42.440 --> 0:18:45.800 in Great Robbing feels like there were also things called 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:50.359 esoteric orders, which were I don't even know what you 0:18:50.359 --> 0:18:52.600 would call that today, basically kind of any group that 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:57.439 didn't subscribe to mainstream Christianity, so like the Mason's or 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:03.000 the Illuminati thing, uh uh yeah, and like they were 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.159 Christian at base, but then they had like yeah, they 0:19:07.200 --> 0:19:11.360 had this other occult ideas in addition to it. Right, 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:15.480 So like the Kayther's or Cather's are a good example 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.960 of that. They were in I think like the twelfth 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:23.840 of fourteenth century France, and they were like Christian plus right, 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:28.480 they were they the Kither's means like the pure ones. Um, 0:19:28.680 --> 0:19:31.680 they were so Christian that they felt like just being 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:34.280 a normal pious Christian wasn't enough, and you actually had 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:37.280 to be baptized again but basically like a born again 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:41.480 Christian process. But in again like twelve thirteenth century France, 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:45.000 they were considered heretics and they were persecuted. You could 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:50.880 call them an esoteric order because it didn't follow prescribed Christianity, 0:19:51.119 --> 0:19:56.159 orthodox establishment Christianity to a t. It either was lacking 0:19:56.240 --> 0:20:00.120 some or had extra and then you're you're a heretic. 0:20:00.280 --> 0:20:03.920 And hence Satanists and esso terric order believed in Dan 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:07.680 Brown books basically that that all that stuff is true, 0:20:07.720 --> 0:20:10.920 all the stuff he writes about is about like esoteric orders. Well, 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.639 and here's the thing though, they were all labeled as Satanists, 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:17.399 but but there's there's no evidence whatsoever that any of 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:23.440 them we're Satanic and like in truth, yeah, you know, well, 0:20:23.480 --> 0:20:27.280 I was reading about one the Luciferians. They actually they 0:20:27.320 --> 0:20:30.719 may have been, although their concept of Satan wasn't that 0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.280 he was evil. Their concept was that he was the 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.000 one true deity and that he had been tricked into 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:41.080 being kicked out of heaven unfairly by a treacherous Jehovah, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.440 and that um, it was actually Lucifer who was supposed 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:48.240 to be in charge, and that Jehovah was oppressing everybody. 0:20:48.240 --> 0:20:50.320 So if that's true, then yes, as far as the 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:53.200 Church goes out, is as satanic as you can possibly 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.600 get in your beliefs, because they were in total opposition 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.760 to the Church in their beliefs as well. But that's 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:02.120 I mean, for the most part, most of these other 0:21:02.119 --> 0:21:04.919 groups were not in any way, shape or form satanic 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:07.760 as as you would think of it today. Well, yeah, 0:21:07.760 --> 0:21:09.919 and Ed even points out and here the grabster that 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:14.800 by that that there's there's no evidence in world history 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:18.479 that there's ever been any long term organized group of 0:21:18.520 --> 0:21:23.960 people that worship Satan as some evil entity. That's a 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:27.600 huge one, because that's that's one of the ways that 0:21:27.800 --> 0:21:33.520 Christianity was able to smear its rivals by by suggesting 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:37.480 that they were part of a huge, massive cult satanic colt. 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:41.560 And I mean, like, if if there's a supernatural entity 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:46.520 that's bent on getting you and making your life terrible, 0:21:47.480 --> 0:21:50.320 and there's actually people on earth who are following this person, 0:21:50.640 --> 0:21:52.199 it's going to make you stay to the straight and 0:21:52.280 --> 0:21:57.080 narrow of your prescribed religion even more, right, Baron Brimstone 0:21:57.080 --> 0:22:01.320 and whatnot. Yes, I grew up with that, you know, Yeah, 0:22:01.400 --> 0:22:03.680 I was. I can't remember which show. I think it 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.320 was during Satanic Panic. We talked about the Devil worship 0:22:06.359 --> 0:22:10.760 House in Stone Mountain that it was the scariest place 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:13.439 I had ever driven past on the way to steak 0:22:13.440 --> 0:22:18.360 in Ale Man I mistaken, Ale. Are they done? They're 0:22:18.359 --> 0:22:21.160 surely they're around. Right, there's probably like one in Vegas 0:22:21.160 --> 0:22:23.679 and one in Hong Kong or something weird like that. 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:26.920 It would be funny for the one on Hong Kong 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:31.600 was like this retroob themed American thing, you know, it's 0:22:31.640 --> 0:22:35.080 like America in the eighties. Um, all right, well let's 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:39.400 talk about Anton LaVey. Then what time has come? Oh wait, 0:22:39.400 --> 0:22:42.160 I want to I want to say one more thing. Um. So, 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:46.600 in the I think the fourteenth century, the Knights templar 0:22:46.680 --> 0:22:51.560 another esoteric but in military order, we're accused of worshiping 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:56.600 Batha Met and bath mat Is Satan with like the 0:22:56.600 --> 0:22:59.960 goat's head and horns. Yeah. Um, that's the great looking 0:23:00.160 --> 0:23:02.760 statue they tried to put up in Oklahoma. Right. Well, 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:08.080 Batha Met is most likely an alteration or mistranslation or 0:23:08.200 --> 0:23:12.840 something of Mohammed, and that it was used to basically 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:18.760 include Mohammed as uh Satan in the Christian Ethos when 0:23:19.080 --> 0:23:24.000 the Christians first encountered Muslims during the Crusades. So it 0:23:24.080 --> 0:23:26.040 was like the same thing, but a thousand years after 0:23:26.080 --> 0:23:28.320 they did it to Biel's Abub, they did it to 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:31.119 Mohammed and we should do like a tin parter on 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:37.600 the Crusades starting now. I just tried to think of 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:39.399 I would be up for that. Yeah, I don't know, 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.600 I don't think so. Um, all right, can we invite 0:23:42.600 --> 0:23:44.920 Anton Laveyand yes, now you can come in the ghost 0:23:44.920 --> 0:23:50.480 of Anton LaVey. It is Jonathan's Strickland. Uh so this dude, 0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:52.120 he was born. He is the founder of the Church 0:23:52.119 --> 0:23:55.159 of Satan. If you did not know that, um, a 0:23:55.240 --> 0:23:57.040 cup of picture of him, you probably seen him before. 0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.240 Bald head goatee, that guy. Uh. You know what does 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.600 bug me about all Satanists is if you just look 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:06.080 up photos of prominent ones or meetings, they're always doing 0:24:06.119 --> 0:24:10.159 these faces. Yeah, like you never I mean actually, ironically, 0:24:10.200 --> 0:24:11.840 the only one I've ever seen smile in a picture 0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:15.320 is the current Hygh priestess. His name is Peggy, which 0:24:15.320 --> 0:24:20.199 I think is adorable. She's this is a cute old lady. Yeah, 0:24:20.320 --> 0:24:24.040 and not even that old, but yeah, she's like really 0:24:24.720 --> 0:24:29.360 old lady. Huh yeah, oh no, uh she smiles and photos, 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.320 but every other picture, like you know, their eyes are 0:24:32.320 --> 0:24:35.080 big and they're frowning or they're licking their teeth or something. 0:24:36.520 --> 0:24:38.840 Come on. I was on the Church of Satan website 0:24:38.920 --> 0:24:42.639 yesterday and um, I saw a picture of some Satanists 0:24:42.640 --> 0:24:46.119 all smiling. But it was because Anton LaVey had a 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.320 naked woman over his knee and his spanking here. So 0:24:49.359 --> 0:24:52.199 they do smile in some pictures. Okay, yeah, well that 0:24:52.240 --> 0:24:58.639 makes sense. So Levey was born Howard Howard Leave, Howard 0:24:58.640 --> 0:25:03.600 Stanton Leave, Chicago, and um, the more I read about 0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:07.760 him and his early years, supposed early years, the more 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:12.399 he sounded like l Ron Hubbard. Yeah kind of because um, 0:25:12.680 --> 0:25:15.520 l Ron Hubbard and Anton LaVey both, if you ask 0:25:15.680 --> 0:25:18.920 them about their backgrounds, they'll tell you one thing. If 0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:22.160 you ask someone else, others who like Lawrence Right who 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:25.280 does research, they say, I really can't find any evidence 0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.280 of this stuff that they claimed. Yeah. I mean, if 0:25:27.320 --> 0:25:32.880 there was anyone who subscribed to lying, it's just as 0:25:32.920 --> 0:25:35.720 much as you possibly could as a form of showmanship. 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:39.919 Anton LaVey was definitely that guy. Yeah, so he says 0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.600 that he had a very colorful upbringing. He worked at 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.240 a circus, he was worked at side shows. He was 0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:49.560 a police photographer, which may have been true. Uh, he 0:25:49.600 --> 0:25:54.800 was a very talented organist who worked burlesque shows. Um. 0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.600 If you ask other people who have done research, they say, no, 0:25:58.400 --> 0:26:01.200 kind of was this suburban kid in suburban San Francisco 0:26:01.800 --> 0:26:05.920 not super interesting. Um. One thing that everyone will say though, 0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:09.040 is that he was interested in the occult. He was 0:26:09.119 --> 0:26:15.200 interested in pulp horror novels and magazines, lovecraft, love love craft, 0:26:15.480 --> 0:26:19.200 and he was interested in Uh. He was very much 0:26:19.200 --> 0:26:22.960