WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Tevin Campbell

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio, Ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 1>What's up?

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<v Speaker 2>This is Quest Love another episode of Course Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>Here with my my crew, my team Supreme in the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh like you, how are you today? I am doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I know you know yo, even waiting today? It was

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<v Speaker 1>here first. Yeah, my day was here first.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been waiting on this one.

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<v Speaker 5>Man.

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<v Speaker 1>I know how you doing, Steve? How's life? I'm doing great?

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<v Speaker 1>Life is great.

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<v Speaker 5>I love this podcast. I love you and hello.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, you love you too? Absolutely love.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Colon man, Colon man, this is one for the

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<v Speaker 4>record books. Man, listen, I'm good man, I'm good on chilling.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm really excited about this episode today. This is gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I was thinking about it this morning and

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<v Speaker 2>I realized that this podcast is probably the anecdote to

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<v Speaker 2>my Instagram account, which, of course, you know, my Instagram

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<v Speaker 2>account could be another person's obituary. It's like, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>like my Instagram? Is you don't want to be on

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<v Speaker 2>that Summer Jams screen, Like, well, I be there next?

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<v Speaker 2>Is he going to be right about me?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? Next?

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<v Speaker 2>And the life I lived? And you know my death.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, Fante actually brought up a point. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes we just need to give people their flowers. And

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's rather I think it's rather apropos that

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<v Speaker 2>we're taping this episode, especially after what I dubbed the

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<v Speaker 2>versus Comedy Hour. For real, I honestly feel like if

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<v Speaker 2>there ever was a paradigm shift or a kind of

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a sea change and just in the process

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<v Speaker 2>of of what art is, you could probably say that

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<v Speaker 2>our guest today was probably the last Mohican. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is not to you know, this is not to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>call out other singers that came after our guests and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just feel as though just the level of

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<v Speaker 2>taking your craft seriously, especially for black music, is you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's I feel as though it's it's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>in danger or at least at least in a deaf

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<v Speaker 2>Con five situation, if you if you know, y'all just

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<v Speaker 2>got to read between the line. Like our our our

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<v Speaker 2>guest today is definitely master master vocalist. I mean, he's

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<v Speaker 2>been our favorite for so long and we've been dying

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<v Speaker 2>to get him on the show. Without further ado, Ladies

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<v Speaker 2>and gentlemen, please welcome fricking Tevin Campbell.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on Quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 5>Indeed, Kavian Campbell is honored to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually thought this was I don't know why.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought you'd be unobtainable or just not interested

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<v Speaker 2>in doing it. I don't even know how we started.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I just you know, shot my shot and

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<v Speaker 2>d MS is like, yo, yeah you got this.

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<v Speaker 6>We got you know, like you sent a text like

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<v Speaker 6>I got it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I didn't answer. I was just like, here, he's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to answer this.

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<v Speaker 5>First of all, we know each other. We run into

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<v Speaker 5>each other all the time.

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<v Speaker 7>Rights and uh no, I don't usually do interviews and

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<v Speaker 7>stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know what, Chris, thank you man, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm really honored.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm honored you're a family today.

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<v Speaker 8>Bro.

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<v Speaker 4>We just talk. We're just talking ship. So let's know,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So when I was looking up just like your

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<v Speaker 2>basic information, it's kind of weird how perception is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like throughout the years because like, okay, me sitting in

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<v Speaker 2>the movie theater watching Graffiti Bridge, like watching you at

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<v Speaker 2>or just like even on the Freshman Sive like generally

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<v Speaker 2>just knowing you, like whatever your videos or whatever. I

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<v Speaker 2>think in my mind from this perspective me as a

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<v Speaker 2>fifty one year older I would say like probably like

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<v Speaker 2>twenty almost thirty years older than him.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>How Like, I know you were born in seventy six,

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<v Speaker 2>which basically you're just five years younger than me.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so weird.

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<v Speaker 2>Like at twenty, I felt you were like like, in

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<v Speaker 2>my mind, I'm like, oh, he must have been four

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<v Speaker 2>years old or five years old, even though you're just

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<v Speaker 2>five years younger than.

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<v Speaker 8>Me, because he was living a grown ass life. Remember,

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<v Speaker 8>we was like, wow, look his life must be awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, So it's just weird how like we're actually like

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<v Speaker 2>closer in age and peer wise.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know. My perception back when I was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like you were way, way, way young younger than me,

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<v Speaker 2>which is now is like, okay, you're kind of four

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<v Speaker 2>or five years younger than me, which is kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like we're the same age.

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<v Speaker 7>No, it did a lot of people say that, But

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's the power of the childhood started phenomena,

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<v Speaker 7>you know. I mean, to this day, I get you know,

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<v Speaker 7>people come to me, they're like, you know, oh you're

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<v Speaker 7>telling Camell, but you look older, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Have great hair, you know, like everyone still to me.

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<v Speaker 7>But that's just the way the brain works, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>like people who are introduced as a child, everybody's going

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<v Speaker 7>to especially if you made some sort of impact. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>I was blessed to have made an impact as a kid.

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<v Speaker 7>People remember that, and so to this day I get

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<v Speaker 7>that same thing.

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<v Speaker 5>So you're not the only one.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you again for doing this for us. Where you

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<v Speaker 2>talking to us now? From where are you?

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<v Speaker 5>I am in New York?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, first of all, do you what was your first

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<v Speaker 1>musical memory in life?

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<v Speaker 7>My aunt giving me the Amazing Grace album, the Franklin

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<v Speaker 7>Madon Grace album on the vinyl.

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<v Speaker 5>She gave it to me when I was I think

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<v Speaker 5>I was.

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<v Speaker 7>That was the first album that I listened to continuously.

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<v Speaker 5>I think I was maybe eight or nine. She gave

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<v Speaker 5>it to you.

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<v Speaker 4>So her version of Holy Holy is just like, come on, man,

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<v Speaker 4>what were we talking about?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, her version of a Mazing Grace is, Yeah, it's incredible.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean though the song was written by Amon, I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't know that till years after a couple of years

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<v Speaker 7>ago I learned that.

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<v Speaker 5>But anyway, She like, no, yeah, yeah, it does, it does.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it like for you to see the film

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<v Speaker 2>version of that after having lived with it so long?

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<v Speaker 2>You mean you mean the her Refa's film version. She

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<v Speaker 2>you know, when she was alive. She they tried to

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<v Speaker 2>bring it out maybe like you know, like twenty years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>and because of some sort of contractual dispute, she didn't

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<v Speaker 2>allow it, so of course she had to pass away.

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<v Speaker 1>Were you able to see the documentary or the concert

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<v Speaker 1>the film.

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<v Speaker 9>Which the Amazing Grace the Life? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 9>I thought it was beautiful in a point in her

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<v Speaker 9>life where she was very happy, not that she wasn't

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<v Speaker 9>happy at any point in her life, but she was glowing,

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<v Speaker 9>and she was she had this afro and it was

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<v Speaker 9>just beautiful, man, And you know, seeing her in her element,

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<v Speaker 9>I think it was.

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<v Speaker 7>The most beautiful thing. I think that people were touched

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<v Speaker 7>by seeing that film because you don't a lot of

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<v Speaker 7>people don't know that she sat and played that pi

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<v Speaker 7>piano a lot of the songs that she did, and

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of songs on an Amazing Grace album to so

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<v Speaker 7>to see her sitting there in her element, playing at

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<v Speaker 7>behind her and singing. It's just amazing all the time.

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<v Speaker 7>So that was.

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<v Speaker 2>Most people don't know that she's like just as good

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<v Speaker 2>as a piano player.

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<v Speaker 5>She is sid Yeah, it's important for.

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<v Speaker 1>People to see that. So can you tell me about

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<v Speaker 1>your Where were you born?

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<v Speaker 5>I was born in Dallas, Texas a hospital.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, okay, okay, yes, yes, I'm a country boy trying

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<v Speaker 7>to hide an accident. But it's actually gonna start coming out.

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<v Speaker 7>This my first class wine. So once I get on

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<v Speaker 7>the second class of wine.

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<v Speaker 5>Well I'm a wine god.

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't your episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me go get my box.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm trying to start. No problems, all.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, So you grew up in Dallas?

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<v Speaker 2>Just in general, what was your you know, your formative

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<v Speaker 2>years like as far as like how you discovered music

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<v Speaker 2>and did you discover with that album or were you

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<v Speaker 2>coming out the womb singing it?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I was my mom.

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<v Speaker 7>I was coming out the woom singing. I was singing

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<v Speaker 7>since I was three years old. My mom said, I

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<v Speaker 7>used to go to the speaker and just hold my

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<v Speaker 7>hair up to the speaker and sort of like just

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<v Speaker 7>imitating anything that was coming out of speaker.

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<v Speaker 5>I was into cars and singing.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember when I was little, I used to run

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<v Speaker 7>my hands on the side of cars, like my hand

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<v Speaker 7>was a car. That was how infactuated I was with

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<v Speaker 7>cards and singing was just a part of my I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't that was just what I knew how to do.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, you know, people would give me fifty cents

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<v Speaker 7>or a dollar, two dollars the same for them.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>That was I didn't think of it as anything particularly special.

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<v Speaker 5>It was just something that that was. I just how

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<v Speaker 5>to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 7>I could see the effect I had on people, but

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<v Speaker 7>I grew to love it as I grew older. I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't really it was just a part of me. It

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<v Speaker 7>was just something that I could do. I didn't see

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<v Speaker 7>it as a talent or anything like that.

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<v Speaker 5>I was. It was just I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>How old would you say you were?

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<v Speaker 2>When what age do you consider you actually starting your

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<v Speaker 2>your craft?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, it definitely wasn't while I was a kid. It

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<v Speaker 7>was it was I didn't see it as a craft.

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<v Speaker 7>I just I was just doing what I knew how

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<v Speaker 7>to do.

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<v Speaker 5>I didn't see it as something. I took it for granted,

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<v Speaker 5>I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>So did your mother see it first?

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<v Speaker 6>Then?

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<v Speaker 3>Is that what happened?

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<v Speaker 7>My mom grew up singing also, so yeah she she yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>she saw it. She saw it for everybody saw it.

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<v Speaker 7>But like I like, like I said, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I did talent shows at school and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 7>But I didn't walk around like thinking that I was

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<v Speaker 7>a good I didn't.

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<v Speaker 5>I was just singing like it wasn't something special it was.

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<v Speaker 5>I wasn't. I didn't consider it.

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<v Speaker 2>Special, like did everyone know, Like I like, were you

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<v Speaker 2>waking up at like out of sleep like sing for

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<v Speaker 2>the people?

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<v Speaker 7>Or I think I was thrown into the business so

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<v Speaker 7>fast that like so early that I didn't really get

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<v Speaker 7>a chance to understand like talent and alledg I didn't

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<v Speaker 7>really understand what that meant. I was just doing something

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<v Speaker 7>that I love to do, right. I didn't think that

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<v Speaker 7>I was talented because of it at the time. I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't understand what that man. I didn't understand what that

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<v Speaker 7>man until probably well when I started with Quincy and

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<v Speaker 7>and started singing for Quincy and like I realized who

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<v Speaker 7>he was because I didn't know I met him, I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't know who he was, but didn't you know Saravan

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<v Speaker 7>and Ela Fitzgerald, all these people. I started to realize hmmm.

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<v Speaker 7>You know, I knew I could sing. I just didn't

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<v Speaker 7>think of it as it was just something that was

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<v Speaker 7>just a part of me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's probably good, that's.

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<v Speaker 5>Probably think it was a good thing.

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<v Speaker 1>For your first talent show. Do you know what you're saying?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh my god, I did Whitney Houston's Greatest Love of All.

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<v Speaker 7>It was absolutely god awful because it was too high.

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<v Speaker 7>So I was so I was so nervous and I

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<v Speaker 7>was shaking the whole time I was singing it, and

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<v Speaker 7>my coach did pee coaches like, dude, why did you

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<v Speaker 7>sing it so high?

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<v Speaker 5>I was like, I want to do an original key.

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<v Speaker 5>I was like nine years old, you know, so when

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<v Speaker 5>you modulate, it's you just I don't know if you

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<v Speaker 5>called a modulation. Uh, it was. It was horrible. It

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<v Speaker 5>was horrible.

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<v Speaker 7>I wish I know somebody recorded that. But yeah, that

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<v Speaker 7>was bad. I wasn't good at talent shows or anything

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<v Speaker 7>like that. I wasn't good at that.

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<v Speaker 1>But that was your go to song.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, Whitney.

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<v Speaker 7>Whitney was my go to artist when I was growing up,

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<v Speaker 7>fall into my adulthood, young adulthood and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>She was one who would like the three artists that

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<v Speaker 2>are your north stars as far as like who at

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<v Speaker 2>least when you're singing that you're gravitating towards them.

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<v Speaker 1>Besides Whitney.

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<v Speaker 5>When I was.

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<v Speaker 7>Younger, I definitely gravitated toward towards the Whitney. Everything I

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<v Speaker 7>did it was Whitney. I literally idolized the lady, her

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<v Speaker 7>stage movements and everything it was. She was literally everything

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<v Speaker 7>to me. But now it changes every.

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<v Speaker 5>Couple of years.

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<v Speaker 7>I discovered new singers like Patsy Klein to me is

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<v Speaker 7>one of the best singers. Like her voice moves me

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<v Speaker 7>more than a lot of other voices that she would

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<v Speaker 7>think would move me more than hers. You know what

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<v Speaker 7>I'm saying, like or not? I told my brother Patty

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<v Speaker 7>Klein she could sing. He was like, she, all right,

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<v Speaker 7>she ain't doing no risks and nothing. She's just staying

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<v Speaker 7>in one tone. But it's not It's not all about that.

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<v Speaker 7>It's about what is behind the boys.

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<v Speaker 5>I hear all that. I'm very sensitive to that.

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<v Speaker 7>So but Donny Hathaway, Aretha Franklin, and Whitney Houston definitely

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<v Speaker 7>other three for me?

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<v Speaker 1>What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I find that as an interesting answer. I actually

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<v Speaker 2>I like singers who sort of don't come out the

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<v Speaker 2>gate flexing. I mean nothing against Christina Aguilera, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know she goes from zero to autobone in like one seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, whatever is But you know, I just for

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<v Speaker 2>you though, what is it? Because I often like singers

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<v Speaker 2>that have that ability, but often hold back what they

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<v Speaker 2>have because I think that's a gift to to sort

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<v Speaker 2>of sing it flat and then you know, sort of

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<v Speaker 2>rise to the occasion. What is it about a singer

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<v Speaker 2>like Patsy climate you look for, like when you hear

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<v Speaker 2>a singer, how do you know, okay, they have a

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<v Speaker 2>good voice, or what is it that you Is this

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<v Speaker 2>something scientific that you can actually explain or is it

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<v Speaker 2>just like what you feel?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well, it's not all about what you feel, and

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<v Speaker 7>it's not about how good they sing. It's about how

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<v Speaker 7>they interpret a song. Every song is not meant for

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<v Speaker 7>runs and things like that. So being a great singer

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<v Speaker 7>is not all about how your voice sounds when you're

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<v Speaker 7>singing a song. It's about how you're feeling a song

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<v Speaker 7>and how you're living the song as you're singing a song.

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<v Speaker 7>I could name you a couple of the singers that

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<v Speaker 7>have actually great technical voices, but they're not good at

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<v Speaker 7>exuding the emotion and the life of the song, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's there's definitely some science to that.

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<v Speaker 4>For me, it's like the Mary versus Faith argument, Like

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<v Speaker 4>Faith is technically like the better singer. And I'm putting

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<v Speaker 4>that in big quotation marks. But Mary the material Mary,

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah you feel married?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 5>I would. I would, totally. I would.

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<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't say that one is better than the other one,

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<v Speaker 7>but I would say that Mary is definitely more broad

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<v Speaker 7>than Faith. It's just like I mean, and I can,

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<v Speaker 7>like I said before, I can name you various singers

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<v Speaker 7>that have these amazing voices but display no emotion. I

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<v Speaker 7>and you know, it's it's not something that you learn,

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<v Speaker 7>it's something that you embody. And you don't have to

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<v Speaker 7>actually have went through these songs subject the subject of

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<v Speaker 7>the song. It's just about how you take it and

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<v Speaker 7>make it your own. It's like an actor does when

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<v Speaker 7>he plays a role.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 7>You have to take it and use it in a

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<v Speaker 7>way that you can understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So I have a question, now that I know that

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<v Speaker 2>you live in this area, asking are you you know,

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<v Speaker 2>are you familiar with the borough of Harlem, specifically a

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<v Speaker 2>restaurant called Red Rooster. And I'm only specifically asking because

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<v Speaker 2>if you are a New York resident and you decide

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<v Speaker 2>to go to Red Rooster on a Sunday, they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of do something very different up there.

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<v Speaker 1>They're now doing something different.

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<v Speaker 2>With like a gospel choir, but like the first five

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<v Speaker 2>years of that restaurant often jazz flout ists.

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<v Speaker 1>Bobby Humphrey used to host kind of the Sunday brunch thing,

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<v Speaker 1>which is kind of.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, but it's also a thing where you know, if

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<v Speaker 2>you're like knee deep and smothered chicken or something, she'll

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<v Speaker 2>have a microphone in front of your face, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Dinah Ross like puts you on the spot to sing,

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<v Speaker 2>reach out and touch someone's hands, and oh god, Bobby

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<v Speaker 2>Humphrey's like, am I facing it with a microphone? I

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<v Speaker 2>believe that I heard the story that when you were younger,

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<v Speaker 2>she's the one that sort of started the ball rolling.

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<v Speaker 2>He explained, like her her position in your life because

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<v Speaker 2>you know, for a lot of hip hop fans, Bobby Humphrey,

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<v Speaker 2>my brothers, yeah, the Masel Brothers, like the seventies Blue

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<v Speaker 2>Note Catalog, Many of hip hop samples have come from her.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, were you familiar with who she was

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<v Speaker 2>when you first met or was just like, oh, this

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<v Speaker 2>lady was in the business once.

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<v Speaker 5>And no, eleven, I didn't. I was eleven. I know

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<v Speaker 5>where she was.

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<v Speaker 7>So what happened was her brother and my mother were

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<v Speaker 7>good friends. I think they went to work together at

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<v Speaker 7>the post office. My mom used to work at the

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<v Speaker 7>post office, Okay, And he knew I could say, so

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<v Speaker 7>she lived here in New York. And he called her

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<v Speaker 7>up on the phone and I singing for her on

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<v Speaker 7>the phone, and I think it was you bring me

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<v Speaker 7>Joey be the Baker. And she had this club called

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<v Speaker 7>Sweetwaters in New York, and she flew me out. And

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<v Speaker 7>I wore this white tuxedo code and this tux and

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<v Speaker 7>it's bow tie. And I was eleven years old and

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<v Speaker 7>I did once twice three times. I think by Howard Hewitt.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's the song I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, that's a mature song.

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<v Speaker 5>No, they're not kids. Well that was how he was.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the ship.

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<v Speaker 4>I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was in front of all these grown people drinking

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<v Speaker 5>at this and I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I thinking you had no idea, no, but I knew.

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<v Speaker 5>The songs though.

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<v Speaker 7>That's what I meant about saying before, like you know,

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<v Speaker 7>uh so anyway, yeah, Bobby on free and she shot

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<v Speaker 7>and she sent that video tape to like numerous record

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<v Speaker 7>companies and numerous I mean I met everybody, lost it,

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<v Speaker 7>I met everybody. Kenny Gee was aristed. He gave me

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<v Speaker 7>a saxophone.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Wait, you got you gotta understand the type of

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<v Speaker 1>show that this is, Like we're less about We're less

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<v Speaker 1>about like gotcha journalism and more about like the craft

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<v Speaker 1>of of how your art is.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're trying to nerd ship. Yeah, we're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>into that nerd sort of stuff. So you're you're basically

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<v Speaker 2>saying that you were eleven at the time, and well,

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<v Speaker 2>I know you got your deal with twelve, So basically

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<v Speaker 2>took a year to get that ball rolling.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, because we met a lot of different people, and

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<v Speaker 7>Quincy was a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>He was the one that got me.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait, first of all, why did he give you a saxophone?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even I didn't even get the Kenny g

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<v Speaker 2>Home game.

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<v Speaker 7>At least he gave me a saxophone that, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>I think that's probably when I started to realize, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>because I knew who he was.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew that I knew that song he had a

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<v Speaker 5>huge hit at the.

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<v Speaker 7>Time, and I knew it right, Yeah, yeah, so it

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<v Speaker 7>was really cool and.

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<v Speaker 5>Anyway, yeah so she she she was the reason why.

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<v Speaker 7>I I was signed to Quest Warner Bros. I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>she was the reason why that tape got to Quincy.

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<v Speaker 7>That was a tape that Quincy actually saw. He was like, yeah, sis, kids, Wow,

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<v Speaker 7>actually Ben and Medina saw at first. And then.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, so can you walk us through the process

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<v Speaker 2>or at least what you remember the process of, Like

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<v Speaker 2>I assume first coming to LA and meeting these people, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you're meeting all these legends, and I'm certain

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<v Speaker 2>that you wouldn't know half of them. Who's the first

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<v Speaker 2>person that made an impression on you? Like, I know

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<v Speaker 2>who this person is and I can't believe I'm meeting

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<v Speaker 2>them as opposed to Michael Sarah Vaughn.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are you right?

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<v Speaker 7>Michael Jackson was the first person that I've met that

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<v Speaker 7>like I knew who he was, but not even it

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<v Speaker 7>wasn't even Prince, you know, Prince did really I know

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<v Speaker 7>who Prince was, but.

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<v Speaker 5>I knew who he was, you know, But Michael. Wow,

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<v Speaker 5>Michael Jackson, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, All right, wait, I got I have a Back

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<v Speaker 2>on the Block question, and hopefully you go offer just

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<v Speaker 2>a tiny bit of insight because I don't even think

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<v Speaker 2>we asked this on the Quincy Jones episode that's never

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<v Speaker 2>ever coming out. Yes, we talked to We talked to

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<v Speaker 2>Quincy for four hours in Quinn.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of the wine.

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<v Speaker 5>So well, I'm not going to.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no no, it's not no no, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>even silatious. It's not even silatious.

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<v Speaker 2>But I pretty much I think we all basically know

0:21:34.440 --> 0:21:38.439
<v Speaker 2>that he was the missing link on Back on the

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<v Speaker 2>Block as far as not being on the Secret Garden.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'll be sure told us that you

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<v Speaker 2>know that Michael was supposed to be on Secret Garden instead,

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be sure got the spot. Were you at all

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<v Speaker 2>privy to the situation in eighty eight, eighty nine when

0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:02.240
<v Speaker 2>he might show up, might not show up? That ugliese

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<v Speaker 2>sort of kind of share.

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<v Speaker 5>I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 7>No, I didn't know anything about that none, trust me

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<v Speaker 7>if I.

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<v Speaker 5>Did, I tell you, But I was a kid. I

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<v Speaker 5>was just in awe of everything.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, there's a curious moment on BT where

0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:23.879
<v Speaker 2>Quincy and Sarah Vaughan are sitting with Donnie Simpson. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, as a person that often talks like inside

0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:31.199
<v Speaker 2>baseball to like people like I could say something one

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<v Speaker 2>of my band members that none of the audience would

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<v Speaker 2>know anything, And I guess Donnie Simpson had asked like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why isn't Michael Jackson on the record, And Sarah Vaughan

0:22:40.600 --> 0:22:43.399
<v Speaker 2>sort of shot a look at Quincy and said something

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<v Speaker 2>encoded speak and Quincy and heard just started laughing, and

0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, like Donnie's like, let me in on the joke.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, no, it's best we not do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I you know, I just generally wanted to know

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<v Speaker 2>if you.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, I do know that there was a falling

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<v Speaker 5>out between the two. That's all I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just glad you was able to be a kid.

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<v Speaker 7>Well it wasn't a normal childhood, but I was. We

0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:11.639
<v Speaker 7>were able to be uh it's cheefus, it's cheeesus sometimes.

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<v Speaker 5>But it was mostly working. So you know that's what.

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<v Speaker 8>I did, because you were out of the classroom setting

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<v Speaker 8>by this time, right, Like as a.

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<v Speaker 5>Kid, Yeah, well I went to a private school.

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<v Speaker 3>I love the what you said at private school?

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<v Speaker 5>All right, I did say that it was private school.

0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:31.920
<v Speaker 5>I said that very snobby. Why that's the why I went.

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<v Speaker 5>I went to a private school.

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<v Speaker 7>No, it was not like when I moved to l A.

0:23:37.480 --> 0:23:40.199
<v Speaker 7>I went to a private school and uh, but I

0:23:40.240 --> 0:23:40.800
<v Speaker 7>was never there.

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<v Speaker 2>I was never there, so you weren't able to have

0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:48.200
<v Speaker 2>like bonding or just like regular.

0:23:50.160 --> 0:23:51.880
<v Speaker 5>Bunding friendships and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Walk us through that because we often hear like, hey,

0:23:54.760 --> 0:23:58.600
<v Speaker 2>we had tutors or whatever. But okay, so you're in school,

0:23:58.600 --> 0:24:00.760
<v Speaker 2>which I assumed that at the age of twelve, you're

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:03.720
<v Speaker 2>kind of in eighth grade, maybe seventh grade or eighth grade.

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:06.359
<v Speaker 2>Can you walk us through a daily ritual like do

0:24:06.440 --> 0:24:08.080
<v Speaker 2>you have to show up at eight in the morning

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<v Speaker 2>or is it just.

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<v Speaker 7>It was very rare that I was in school consistently

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<v Speaker 7>for like weeks and months.

0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:15.679
<v Speaker 5>So uh.

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<v Speaker 7>But the school that I attended a lot of celebrity

0:24:18.400 --> 0:24:23.280
<v Speaker 7>kids went to, so like Rod Stewart's Starter and all

0:24:23.320 --> 0:24:27.560
<v Speaker 7>the Jackson all the Jackson kids went there, and Rashida

0:24:27.640 --> 0:24:30.320
<v Speaker 7>and Candada everybody went there. So it was one of

0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:32.159
<v Speaker 7>those one of those private schools. But I was a

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 7>kid from Texas. So this is this is new for me.

0:24:36.600 --> 0:24:37.440
<v Speaker 5>But I was never there.

0:24:37.480 --> 0:24:40.119
<v Speaker 7>But when I was there, I got in trouble and

0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 7>got detention every other day because I never came in uniform.

0:24:43.480 --> 0:24:46.520
<v Speaker 7>When I came in uniform, my tie wasn't done all

0:24:46.520 --> 0:24:49.520
<v Speaker 7>the way or my my shirt was untucked. I was

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:52.520
<v Speaker 7>always causing problems at that school, but I was allowed

0:24:52.520 --> 0:24:54.800
<v Speaker 7>to because I was.

0:24:54.680 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 5>I was on.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:25:00.880 --> 0:25:03.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, he was just on Fresh Prince last week.

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<v Speaker 3>Calm down.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh wow, I keep showing that episode. It's really cool

0:25:08.520 --> 0:25:10.320
<v Speaker 5>though that they keep showing that. That's great.

0:25:15.280 --> 0:25:17.119
<v Speaker 2>At the top of this episode, when I was talking

0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:22.000
<v Speaker 2>about being a seasoned singer at this point, is you

0:25:22.040 --> 0:25:26.000
<v Speaker 2>know seth Riggs a part of your exercise or I

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:29.760
<v Speaker 2>mean I would assume that someone must have suggested, like, okay,

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:31.640
<v Speaker 2>you gotta warm your voice up and all that stuff.

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:35.040
<v Speaker 2>Did you Were you a student of the great seth

0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:36.439
<v Speaker 2>Riggs as a vocal trainer?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>I mean I thought you'd now.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I did go to seth Griggs where my voice

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:44.200
<v Speaker 7>was changing to the point where I couldn't I could

0:25:45.680 --> 0:25:48.440
<v Speaker 7>like there was no control, like the puberty part when

0:25:48.440 --> 0:25:51.439
<v Speaker 7>that hit, So I had to literally do, tell me

0:25:51.480 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 7>what you want me to do live and that's when

0:25:54.040 --> 0:25:54.440
<v Speaker 7>it hit.

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<v Speaker 5>So I couldn't hit this.

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<v Speaker 1>So you started lowering the key, modulating the key down today.

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<v Speaker 7>No, no, we couldn't do that, not when you're not

0:26:03.920 --> 0:26:05.840
<v Speaker 7>when you're fourteen years old, you can't know the key.

0:26:06.040 --> 0:26:09.600
<v Speaker 7>You gotta do it, you know. So that's whe I started. Yeah,

0:26:09.760 --> 0:26:12.960
<v Speaker 7>there's no thing I can do that. Now I'm forty five.

0:26:12.960 --> 0:26:14.480
<v Speaker 5>You know, it makes sense to lord the key to

0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 5>that's all right, But when you're fourteen.

0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:20.639
<v Speaker 7>No, So I had to go to Seth Griggs for

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:24.040
<v Speaker 7>I went for the whole lot like a summer because

0:26:24.080 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 7>it was really bad. I had no control over that break,

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 7>and he taught me how to sort of control it.

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:31.639
<v Speaker 5>After that, There's no I didn't go back to it.

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<v Speaker 2>How many so when you're training, how many hours? What's

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.600
<v Speaker 2>the daily regiment? I mean how many hours? Is it

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<v Speaker 2>a day or is it just once a week or.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, first of all, you go into his office and

0:26:46.920 --> 0:26:49.320
<v Speaker 7>you do a whole bunch of exercises. So you mean

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.400
<v Speaker 7>for me at for a show or just.

0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:55.439
<v Speaker 1>For you for you and Seth Griggs.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, yeah, you just go in and here you just

0:26:57.280 --> 0:26:59.560
<v Speaker 7>get your exercises to do for like thirty minutes, you

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:00.920
<v Speaker 7>to pay for it hour he do an hour.

0:27:01.840 --> 0:27:04.840
<v Speaker 5>He used to charge like two thousand per hour. It

0:27:04.880 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 5>was it was ridiculous.

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.440
<v Speaker 7>It was something ridiculous. And he used to talk half

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:12.360
<v Speaker 7>the time. He used to talk time, and he did

0:27:12.400 --> 0:27:14.879
<v Speaker 7>that consistently. He was a great He was a great teacher.

0:27:15.040 --> 0:27:16.919
<v Speaker 7>I learned a lot from him that I used to

0:27:16.960 --> 0:27:19.680
<v Speaker 7>this day, like warm up exercises and all constant.

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:25.040
<v Speaker 2>For our listeners out there, Michael Jackson's two hour tutorial

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 2>is still surprisingly still on YouTube, which is basically two

0:27:29.640 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 2>hours of hearing Michael Jackson do all the scales.

0:27:34.040 --> 0:27:37.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah no, no, no, no, no no no, like all the like.

0:27:37.320 --> 0:27:42.119
<v Speaker 2>That's probably one of the greatest vocal exercise educations that

0:27:42.200 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 2>you can get for free.

0:27:44.200 --> 0:27:45.600
<v Speaker 1>While it's oh.

0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:47.720
<v Speaker 5>Nice and it works, I mean that's all said.

0:27:48.240 --> 0:27:48.520
<v Speaker 1>He was.

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<v Speaker 7>He was an avid student. The set had a lot

0:27:51.840 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 7>of great a lot of great u great clients. But yeah,

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 7>like I said, yeah that stuff works, man, man, man, man,

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:04.560
<v Speaker 7>all that stuff works. All that stuff it works. It's

0:28:04.600 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 7>all it's doing is just you know, sort of warming

0:28:07.440 --> 0:28:07.719
<v Speaker 7>that out.

0:28:08.960 --> 0:28:11.040
<v Speaker 1>You know. We were introduced to you via back on

0:28:11.080 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 1>the block. But when you were when you were brought

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:17.600
<v Speaker 1>out there, did you immediately start working on your debut

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 1>album or was it just back on the block. Let's

0:28:21.200 --> 0:28:22.439
<v Speaker 1>see what happens first.

0:28:23.240 --> 0:28:25.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, now you get a record deal or was it

0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 2>just like out the gate, You're going to work on

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 2>your album and subsequently get introduced from Quincy.

0:28:32.240 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to remember thirty years like well I was.

0:28:36.920 --> 0:28:40.400
<v Speaker 5>I was twelve years old. I know, I know that.

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:46.840
<v Speaker 7>After the introduction to Prince when being introduced, Bennie Bedinna

0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 7>introduced me to Prince and I did the confiniti bridge

0:28:50.560 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 7>round around, round and around. I know that he wanted

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.320
<v Speaker 7>to be on the first album. I remember that and

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 7>Warner Brothers, uh, Warner Brothers would oh my god, there's

0:29:01.680 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 7>all kinds of crazy stuff.

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you brought that up.

0:29:05.600 --> 0:29:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows that I'm a Prince Stan and you know,

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 2>and also the Prince what I call the Orgers, the

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.520
<v Speaker 2>Prince dot Orgers is sort of they always side eye

0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:21.600
<v Speaker 2>me when I start, you know, talking, my my, my,

0:29:21.600 --> 0:29:22.120
<v Speaker 2>my trash.

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:22.959
<v Speaker 1>Now, I mean, this is the thing.

0:29:23.000 --> 0:29:25.920
<v Speaker 2>Everyone knows that he's my north star as far as

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 2>creativity is concerned.

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:30.200
<v Speaker 1>But you know it.

0:29:30.200 --> 0:29:33.360
<v Speaker 2>It's to a lot of prince people that are very

0:29:33.360 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>honest with themselves. They would also know that that period

0:29:37.840 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 2>was a rather questionable period of his life. And I

0:29:41.520 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 2>got to hear the p the song that you you demo?

0:29:47.080 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 2>Did he demo in the way that you're smiling right now.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't even remember. I don't even remember doing that.

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 5>Where did God tell you?

0:29:54.000 --> 0:29:56.840
<v Speaker 7>I don't remember where we were, I don't remember what

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:57.800
<v Speaker 7>year that was.

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:00.400
<v Speaker 5>But all I know is that I was in the

0:30:00.440 --> 0:30:01.680
<v Speaker 5>middle of that.

0:30:02.080 --> 0:30:03.960
<v Speaker 7>I was in the middle of that whole thing, and

0:30:04.000 --> 0:30:05.640
<v Speaker 7>that didn't stop until after I'm.

0:30:05.480 --> 0:30:08.600
<v Speaker 2>Ready based on what I can tell, because you know,

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:12.600
<v Speaker 2>I heard his I heard his demo, guy, and I

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>heard your version, and you literally followed everything to a t.

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:22.040
<v Speaker 2>So I would basically say that if you're working with him,

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:26.960
<v Speaker 2>is it just assume that, Okay, do exactly what I

0:30:27.120 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 2>do on this track and follow it to it?

0:30:29.640 --> 0:30:32.560
<v Speaker 1>Is either coaching you or is it just smell? No,

0:30:32.640 --> 0:30:32.960
<v Speaker 1>he's not.

0:30:33.200 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 5>It's just me. That's me.

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:39.400
<v Speaker 7>I wasn't very experiment a lot when it came to him.

0:30:39.680 --> 0:30:41.080
<v Speaker 5>I kind of sing it like the demo.

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.560
<v Speaker 7>The only songs I drifted away from the demo was

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:48.840
<v Speaker 7>sort of was can we talk and I'm ready all

0:30:48.880 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 7>those songs, uh yeah.

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:54.920
<v Speaker 3>And Tomorrow night at all because it was.

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.720
<v Speaker 7>Just that Tomorrow was all me, that was me, because

0:30:58.720 --> 0:31:01.360
<v Speaker 7>it wasn't it wasn't no that song. So she wrote

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 7>that literally in the studio.

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:04.680
<v Speaker 8>I was just going to ask, when you got Tomorrow

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.520
<v Speaker 8>as a fan of Whitney, did you feel like that

0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.600
<v Speaker 8>was kind of like your Whitney song in a way?

0:31:10.640 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 3>Did you feel you remember how you felt as a kid.

0:31:12.320 --> 0:31:15.120
<v Speaker 7>I didn't think that then, but I wasn't processed. My

0:31:15.120 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 7>brain wasn't processing us to think like that because I

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 7>was too I was too self conscious in the studio.

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:24.440
<v Speaker 7>But I do think that sort of now, like when

0:31:24.480 --> 0:31:27.560
<v Speaker 7>I listen to Tomorrow on one song, the sort of

0:31:27.680 --> 0:31:30.200
<v Speaker 7>inspirational songs that I have a couple that.

0:31:30.200 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 5>I do have. I have some more, but they're not

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 5>on my albums. But anyway, I do think that now.

0:31:35.760 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 1>Well, eventually I assume that you got to meet her,

0:31:38.160 --> 0:31:43.240
<v Speaker 1>What was it like for you to be or where

0:31:43.240 --> 0:31:43.920
<v Speaker 1>did you meet her?

0:31:44.640 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 7>The first time I met Whitney Houston, she invited me

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 7>to her listening party or her after party was some

0:31:50.600 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 7>sort of party. But the second time, which is more percival,

0:31:54.160 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 7>was when I were It was a hotel called the

0:31:56.120 --> 0:32:00.200
<v Speaker 7>Riga Royal which is now the London for the contract.

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:03.960
<v Speaker 5>But oh yeah, yal you remember it was her.

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:06.320
<v Speaker 7>And Bobby and I was coming out of my room

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:08.080
<v Speaker 7>and stuff and they were coming down the hall and

0:32:08.120 --> 0:32:09.760
<v Speaker 7>we had this whole long conversation.

0:32:09.920 --> 0:32:10.920
<v Speaker 5>She was like, how you do it? I was like

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 5>I do how you do? We used to do fight

0:32:12.680 --> 0:32:13.440
<v Speaker 5>and Bobby was there.

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.120
<v Speaker 7>You know, it was like it just us. Street didn't

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 7>have any bodyguards anybody around him. It was just us

0:32:18.680 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 7>to you having a conversation. I was like fifteen sixteen,

0:32:22.160 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 7>and that was the last time that I saw Whitney Houston.

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.640
<v Speaker 7>It was a second time that I met her. I

0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 7>never knew her personally, like we were never friends or

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 7>I never called her, talked to her phone anything like that.

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:36.880
<v Speaker 7>The only the closest connection I had with her was

0:32:37.720 --> 0:32:40.400
<v Speaker 7>the nard of Michael Walden Uh. He used to call

0:32:40.440 --> 0:32:43.320
<v Speaker 7>her from the studio, but I never talked to her.

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:44.800
<v Speaker 7>But he used to call it from Steven let her

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:48.080
<v Speaker 7>here because I used to say just I used to

0:32:48.120 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 7>try to imitate her, so he would let her.

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 5>He would let her here like tell me much, want

0:32:52.200 --> 0:32:53.120
<v Speaker 5>me to do and stuff like.

0:32:53.320 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 1>So she never knew, she never knew that you were

0:32:55.640 --> 0:32:56.600
<v Speaker 1>that she was your hero.

0:32:57.280 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 5>Yes, oh yeah, she knew.

0:32:58.560 --> 0:33:01.000
<v Speaker 1>And it was too overwhelming for you to strike a friendship.

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:06.920
<v Speaker 7>I was a kid kid, you know, but she knew,

0:33:07.320 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 7>she knew that I freaking loved her. I told her

0:33:11.760 --> 0:33:13.480
<v Speaker 7>when I saw her, especially that time in the hall.

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 7>I mean, you know, it was her and Aretha. I

0:33:17.400 --> 0:33:19.520
<v Speaker 7>could never act normally when I saw these two women.

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 7>I remember seeing Aretha on Broadway. We were some Broadway show, right,

0:33:24.320 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 7>and she she comes with these you know her what

0:33:27.120 --> 0:33:30.480
<v Speaker 7>she was with and these ten just huge entourage.

0:33:30.880 --> 0:33:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and she knows me.

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 5>I've seen her many times since I was twelve years old.

0:33:35.360 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 5>I even came to sing for her. She invited me

0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:39.080
<v Speaker 5>to sing Always in My Heart, which was one of

0:33:39.080 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 5>her favorite songs. She invited me to sing that for

0:33:41.400 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 5>her at some event. I think it was a birthday party.

0:33:44.680 --> 0:33:47.240
<v Speaker 7>And so I saw her and I couldn't even leave.

0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 7>You know how you do this this thing when.

0:33:49.480 --> 0:33:54.680
<v Speaker 2>You call Mariah, but.

0:33:54.800 --> 0:33:56.280
<v Speaker 1>You know, you know you listen.

0:33:56.560 --> 0:34:00.760
<v Speaker 5>I couldn't even I just I couldn't do that. I

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.600
<v Speaker 5>couldn't do the cheeks just touched I be She was like,

0:34:03.640 --> 0:34:04.800
<v Speaker 5>what the hell is wrong with this?

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.600
<v Speaker 7>But I was so nervous to even like like, but

0:34:08.680 --> 0:34:09.239
<v Speaker 7>she could tell.

0:34:09.360 --> 0:34:12.160
<v Speaker 5>She could just she knows she ever teached yourself. It's like,

0:34:12.200 --> 0:34:15.120
<v Speaker 5>how's your mom? How's your mom? She used today she

0:34:15.320 --> 0:34:17.200
<v Speaker 5>was I digress.

0:34:17.200 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Were you able to bond with a circle of people?

0:34:22.480 --> 0:34:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Like who would you consider?

0:34:25.280 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 1>You know?

0:34:25.560 --> 0:34:25.640
<v Speaker 8>Like?

0:34:25.719 --> 0:34:28.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So when I came into business, then I became

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 1>friends with common and we became friends and started hanging

0:34:31.200 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 1>Like did you have peers that you regularly hung with?

0:34:35.120 --> 0:34:38.920
<v Speaker 7>And no, because I was twelve, so there was nobody

0:34:39.000 --> 0:34:42.920
<v Speaker 7>else my age, okay doing what I was doing.

0:34:43.040 --> 0:34:45.280
<v Speaker 8>In our minds, you were real friends with Tatiana Ali

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:47.279
<v Speaker 8>in our teenage mind was like.

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:54.520
<v Speaker 7>No, not really we we we we were friends. Yeah,

0:34:54.560 --> 0:34:57.480
<v Speaker 7>But you know I hung out a lot with the boys.

0:34:57.719 --> 0:35:04.280
<v Speaker 5>Remember the group of the boys.

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<v Speaker 2>I can.

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:05.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:35:06.400 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 7>We broke a lot of lamps in the hotel rooms

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:11.640
<v Speaker 7>and stuff, and me and my brother and the boys

0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 7>used to hang out a lot. So the boys, but

0:35:13.760 --> 0:35:17.080
<v Speaker 7>I didn't bond with them like we were just so.

0:35:17.239 --> 0:35:22.440
<v Speaker 7>But the sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen, those years now, I

0:35:22.560 --> 0:35:27.920
<v Speaker 7>was pretty much a loner, haven't was. There was a

0:35:27.920 --> 0:35:29.800
<v Speaker 7>lot going on. There was a lot going on. I

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:31.640
<v Speaker 7>don't think I even realized how much was going on

0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:33.399
<v Speaker 7>until a couple of years ago when I actually start

0:35:33.440 --> 0:35:36.640
<v Speaker 7>to process everything. So, I mean, like I said, I

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:40.279
<v Speaker 7>don't regret anything, but there's a lot of they're more

0:35:40.320 --> 0:35:43.719
<v Speaker 7>pros than thera cons to being a child a childhood star,

0:35:44.000 --> 0:35:46.640
<v Speaker 7>former child star, you know. I mean, it's it's an

0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:49.600
<v Speaker 7>amazing thing to be able to say that and survive.

0:35:50.280 --> 0:35:53.320
<v Speaker 1>How long, on average does it take you.

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:57.719
<v Speaker 2>To get through a take where you're satisfied with it,

0:35:57.760 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 2>and the producers satisfied with it, and all parties involved

0:36:01.600 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 2>are satisfied.

0:36:03.239 --> 0:36:05.920
<v Speaker 5>That depends. They used to call me one take, Tevin.

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:07.919
<v Speaker 1>Okay, talk your shit.

0:36:08.960 --> 0:36:10.840
<v Speaker 5>I'm not I didn't make that up. I did not

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:13.399
<v Speaker 5>make that up. I swear to God, that's Babyface gave

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:13.879
<v Speaker 5>me that name.

0:36:14.640 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 8>Uh.

0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:20.600
<v Speaker 7>I don't remember how many takes I became we talked.

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:23.640
<v Speaker 7>It wasn't a lot back then. I just went in

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 7>and I hated actually being in the studio. I went

0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:27.520
<v Speaker 7>to be in the streets.

0:36:28.200 --> 0:36:30.600
<v Speaker 5>I wouldn't want to play. I wanted to play.

0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:32.360
<v Speaker 7>I wanted to go driving around in my car and

0:36:32.440 --> 0:36:34.719
<v Speaker 7>just be say. You know, it was like work to me.

0:36:35.040 --> 0:36:36.800
<v Speaker 7>If I had to do it more than three or

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:39.960
<v Speaker 7>four times, you know, I was a brad so but

0:36:40.040 --> 0:36:43.160
<v Speaker 7>with baby Face it was all about the feeling. It

0:36:43.200 --> 0:36:46.560
<v Speaker 7>wasn't about necessarily the technicalities of it.

0:36:47.120 --> 0:36:49.239
<v Speaker 5>But with Narada Michael Walden, it.

0:36:49.239 --> 0:36:52.279
<v Speaker 7>Was all about the technicalities and the notes and they

0:36:52.280 --> 0:36:54.279
<v Speaker 7>can't be sharp and they can't and the feelings, so

0:36:54.360 --> 0:36:55.080
<v Speaker 7>you got to have both.

0:36:56.000 --> 0:36:59.439
<v Speaker 5>So I think Narada really I had the most fun

0:36:59.440 --> 0:37:00.760
<v Speaker 5>working with him because I worked.

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:04.480
<v Speaker 7>He made me work and I and I didn't warm

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 7>up really and to this day, I don't warm up

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 7>until hours after I start singing. So you have to

0:37:10.320 --> 0:37:12.360
<v Speaker 7>keep singing, you know that. You know I had to

0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.280
<v Speaker 7>learn that about myself too. But Narda was the best

0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.880
<v Speaker 7>heat I had the most nurturing working relationship.

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 1>I think with Narda, Okay, can I ask a question?

0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:24.359
<v Speaker 2>Is because you know, we've been doing the show for

0:37:24.360 --> 0:37:28.240
<v Speaker 2>five years and literally no singer or at least singer

0:37:28.320 --> 0:37:34.719
<v Speaker 2>singers has given me the dream answer that I want

0:37:34.760 --> 0:37:36.440
<v Speaker 2>to hear. It's like, yes, you know, before I do

0:37:36.480 --> 0:37:38.560
<v Speaker 2>a song, I sit and do me me met me

0:37:38.640 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 2>like three hours and you drink all this tea and

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 2>like everyone basically says, hey, man, I showed up, I

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 2>sang it, and then I went home. So is the

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:52.719
<v Speaker 2>idea of warming up just a myth that non singers

0:37:53.560 --> 0:37:55.759
<v Speaker 2>like myself think that an artist has to go through

0:37:55.880 --> 0:37:59.040
<v Speaker 2>to do their craft, or like even for you Fante,

0:37:59.040 --> 0:38:01.719
<v Speaker 2>like even when you're doing your records, Like I think, it.

0:38:01.760 --> 0:38:04.120
<v Speaker 4>Just depends on the song. I think if it's you know,

0:38:04.160 --> 0:38:07.400
<v Speaker 4>if it's something where because I've had takes where you know,

0:38:07.480 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 4>you'll write something and then sing it and I'm like, Okay,

0:38:10.440 --> 0:38:12.839
<v Speaker 4>this sounds cool, but I can do it better, and

0:38:12.880 --> 0:38:15.200
<v Speaker 4>then you'll come back and do it quote unquote better.

0:38:15.800 --> 0:38:18.640
<v Speaker 4>But there's just there may be just some vulnerability in

0:38:18.719 --> 0:38:21.959
<v Speaker 4>the first take because you're just now learning the song,

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:23.799
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean, and you don't know it

0:38:23.920 --> 0:38:27.160
<v Speaker 4>know it versus singing it when you know it. It

0:38:27.200 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 4>may you know, it just may not fit the song.

0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:31.759
<v Speaker 4>If the song you're singing has to have a hint

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 4>of vulnerability or uncertainty, if that's the character you're playing

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:39.799
<v Speaker 4>quote unquote, then the first take generally for me, you know,

0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.640
<v Speaker 4>those early takes, that's kind of where the magic is.

0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:44.319
<v Speaker 4>Once you get to go back to what TeV And said.

0:38:44.320 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 4>Once you get like three four times, at that point

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:49.799
<v Speaker 4>you're just just kind of regurgitating the same things. It's

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 4>kind of like a rehearsal at that point, and the

0:38:52.840 --> 0:38:55.320
<v Speaker 4>magic is lost in my experience.

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>Once you overdo it and keep going doing it.

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:00.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, you kind of sing the life out of it,

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:01.600
<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean. So a lot of times

0:39:01.600 --> 0:39:04.440
<v Speaker 4>the first ones, those are the ones, if they may

0:39:04.480 --> 0:39:07.239
<v Speaker 4>not be the most technically great, they are the ones

0:39:07.280 --> 0:39:09.560
<v Speaker 4>that are the most honest and may fit the song better.

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:11.400
<v Speaker 4>Is that kind of for you, TeV? And is that

0:39:11.440 --> 0:39:13.080
<v Speaker 4>the same thing? What's similar to?

0:39:13.360 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 5>Yeah?

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:17.120
<v Speaker 7>I think you are right on that, and I think

0:39:17.120 --> 0:39:20.320
<v Speaker 7>it depicts on the song and actually the singer also,

0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 7>every singer has this whole different way of approaching the

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:25.239
<v Speaker 7>song and approaching performances.

0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:27.000
<v Speaker 5>So some singers can.

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:28.839
<v Speaker 7>Walk into the studio and give a great performance without

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:30.839
<v Speaker 7>you can form it up, you know what I mean.

0:39:30.880 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 5>There are singers that can do that. There's a lot

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 5>of excuse me, there are a lot of songs that

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:38.280
<v Speaker 5>Aretha did that. She did warm up, She just walked

0:39:38.280 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 5>in and she just did some people, you know what

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:41.520
<v Speaker 5>I'm saying.

0:39:42.840 --> 0:39:45.439
<v Speaker 1>She won't go more than two takes, like that's it,

0:39:46.160 --> 0:39:46.759
<v Speaker 1>And I don't think.

0:39:46.800 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 7>I think that's the way it's always been that she

0:39:49.640 --> 0:39:52.920
<v Speaker 7>can do that, you know, Uh, some singers can't do that,

0:39:53.280 --> 0:39:55.600
<v Speaker 7>and she can deliver all the things that need to

0:39:55.600 --> 0:39:57.520
<v Speaker 7>be in the song in those two takes.

0:39:57.560 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 5>So, but it's definitely those first takes.

0:40:00.080 --> 0:40:04.160
<v Speaker 7>Think, and I think if you ask a movie director also, uh,

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 7>like Frank Sinatra didn't like to doing more than one

0:40:07.040 --> 0:40:08.440
<v Speaker 7>take on the scene. He liked to just do it,

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:11.279
<v Speaker 7>wouldn't take because he felt like that was the most

0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:12.520
<v Speaker 7>natural and the most real.

0:40:12.520 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 5>Word. He felt like if you did it over and

0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:16.960
<v Speaker 5>over again, it would lose his magic. Like you said, so,

0:40:18.719 --> 0:40:19.200
<v Speaker 5>I agree.

0:40:19.600 --> 0:40:23.399
<v Speaker 2>Your first album, which is the spelling of your name,

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:26.640
<v Speaker 2>was that supposed to be an acronym for something.

0:40:28.520 --> 0:40:30.799
<v Speaker 1>T E V I Or were you just spelling it?

0:40:30.960 --> 0:40:35.680
<v Speaker 1>Or first of all, what you say, I made up.

0:40:36.040 --> 0:40:36.520
<v Speaker 1>I made up.

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:56.799
<v Speaker 4>Transmitting every vocal immaculately nigga. Twitter, it was like it

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 4>was somebody. It was on Twitter. This was like Twitter,

0:40:59.080 --> 0:41:01.640
<v Speaker 4>like years ago. I think it was when you know,

0:41:01.760 --> 0:41:04.080
<v Speaker 4>I think somebody they tried to like come for you

0:41:04.239 --> 0:41:06.440
<v Speaker 4>something on Twitter and everybody was just like, nah, fuck

0:41:06.520 --> 0:41:09.480
<v Speaker 4>that that's seven Campbell, And that was one of the

0:41:09.480 --> 0:41:12.040
<v Speaker 4>things I fust It went on from I know what.

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 5>You're talking about.

0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.160
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we had your back though, bro, like we had

0:41:15.160 --> 0:41:16.720
<v Speaker 4>your back Twitter.

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.879
<v Speaker 10>Yes, yes, I was like, oh it was really sad.

0:41:21.160 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 5>I love it.

0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 2>I love sorry, Fante, let me go, let me go

0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:27.719
<v Speaker 2>to the other side, because let me go to the

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:30.120
<v Speaker 2>other side because I believe you two were kind of

0:41:30.120 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 2>the same age.

0:41:30.760 --> 0:41:35.040
<v Speaker 4>Or yeah, I'm seventy eight, so yeah we right, yeah, okay,

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:36.360
<v Speaker 4>so what was it.

0:41:36.280 --> 0:41:39.160
<v Speaker 5>Like seventy eight, I'm seventy six, so you you are.

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:46.480
<v Speaker 4>I am elder man man ship in seventh grade man.

0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.400
<v Speaker 2>So Fante, as a listener, did that make an impression

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:55.400
<v Speaker 2>on you to see someone your age doing that the

0:41:55.400 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 2>same way that I saw the Jackson five or Janet Like,

0:41:58.200 --> 0:41:59.840
<v Speaker 2>oh kids, my age, you know that.

0:42:00.120 --> 0:42:02.560
<v Speaker 4>Nah, that's exactly what it was. Yeah, even though like

0:42:02.600 --> 0:42:05.640
<v Speaker 4>again we were only with two years apart. He was older,

0:42:05.680 --> 0:42:09.120
<v Speaker 4>but it definitely felt like, uh, you know he felt

0:42:09.200 --> 0:42:10.760
<v Speaker 4>tell me him. It felt like one of the homies

0:42:10.800 --> 0:42:12.640
<v Speaker 4>like I went to school with, or like that homie

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.200
<v Speaker 4>that like sing in church and you just know, Okay,

0:42:15.200 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 4>that's a singing homie and like he gonna win every

0:42:17.160 --> 0:42:19.600
<v Speaker 4>time show, you know what I mean. Like it was

0:42:20.120 --> 0:42:22.160
<v Speaker 4>it was like that, It's like he got singing homie.

0:42:22.160 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 4>They're just like gonna buy everybody in the talent show

0:42:24.120 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 4>and that's what it is. So yeah, the first album, man,

0:42:27.320 --> 0:42:31.160
<v Speaker 4>that was something that uh, it definitely felt like it

0:42:31.360 --> 0:42:33.880
<v Speaker 4>was And I always talk about this for songwriters, it

0:42:33.960 --> 0:42:37.160
<v Speaker 4>is very hard to write for kids, you know what

0:42:37.200 --> 0:42:39.400
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying, because you have to write something that's age

0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 4>appropriate but also have something that you know adults can

0:42:43.040 --> 0:42:44.759
<v Speaker 4>jam to, you know, record like a Dial in my

0:42:44.800 --> 0:42:49.120
<v Speaker 4>Heart or Around and Round or can we Talk? I

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:51.840
<v Speaker 4>mean those are really hard songs to pull off, and

0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.000
<v Speaker 4>I don't think people understand how hard that shit is.

0:42:54.120 --> 0:42:55.719
<v Speaker 1>What about us break it down?

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:59.400
<v Speaker 11>Yeah, So that one that was the one like in

0:42:59.480 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 11>home room, like because they were playing on the radio

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:04.239
<v Speaker 11>like they woul playing at Joan the radio and it

0:43:04.320 --> 0:43:07.399
<v Speaker 11>was almost like, oh man, that is that Tavin Campbell joint?

0:43:07.640 --> 0:43:09.600
<v Speaker 4>And so in home room we were talking about, yo,

0:43:09.640 --> 0:43:11.600
<v Speaker 4>you hear the joint? Do you have to school like

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:12.240
<v Speaker 4>some homework?

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:22.879
<v Speaker 3>Like what yes? Are you getting? Yes? I am yes, but.

0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:24.840
<v Speaker 4>But I while we're here while were on the first album,

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 4>I have to say my favorite one, like my probably

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 4>like my favorite. If I had to peat one, let

0:43:30.440 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 4>it be the same as me. Come on, man, along

0:43:32.480 --> 0:43:37.680
<v Speaker 4>with you, dude, like alone with you, what we talk about.

0:43:38.760 --> 0:43:41.120
<v Speaker 1>So my question for you on that one, bro.

0:43:41.320 --> 0:43:44.000
<v Speaker 4>So I did not know. I actually lost a bet

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:46.640
<v Speaker 4>to this all over this to a friend like years ago,

0:43:46.840 --> 0:43:50.160
<v Speaker 4>like she she wanted back, here's this thing. Yeah, she

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:53.799
<v Speaker 4>totally won. So I did not know. I had the

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:59.759
<v Speaker 4>album Casey and Joe George seeing backs on that the

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 4>INSTI in the credits. Now back to credit.

0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:04.680
<v Speaker 5>Okay, well then you're right.

0:44:06.640 --> 0:44:08.040
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if you have memories back.

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. They did all the demos for all those songs,

0:44:10.280 --> 0:44:13.839
<v Speaker 5>so all the that I'll be produced.

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 7>Casey and Chose Will did all those demos, which is

0:44:16.920 --> 0:44:23.680
<v Speaker 7>why I'm singing all those lick, all those ran That's

0:44:23.760 --> 0:44:24.000
<v Speaker 7>not me.

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:26.720
<v Speaker 5>I'm doing whatever they did on the demo.

0:44:27.600 --> 0:44:28.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you still have those demos?

0:44:29.640 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 5>Oh my god, I wish I could.

0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:32.719
<v Speaker 1>Always I wish I did.

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:36.920
<v Speaker 3>Maybe maybe Al has them.

0:44:37.360 --> 0:44:40.040
<v Speaker 8>He got all the tapes. I thought I thought he

0:44:40.120 --> 0:44:41.719
<v Speaker 8>was gonna say, just asked me to. I always thought

0:44:41.719 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 8>that was a soundtrack, John, but I didn't know that

0:44:43.920 --> 0:44:44.120
<v Speaker 8>was on.

0:44:44.640 --> 0:44:46.400
<v Speaker 5>It was on Boys in the Hood that they decided

0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:47.080
<v Speaker 5>to put it in.

0:44:48.800 --> 0:44:49.440
<v Speaker 1>On the album.

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:51.640
<v Speaker 7>I thought that was interesting what you said, though, because

0:44:51.719 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 7>Warner Brothers didn't care about that. They they what they

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:57.640
<v Speaker 7>had was a kid that could that had to And

0:44:57.719 --> 0:44:59.879
<v Speaker 7>I realize it now, I didn't realize it back.

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:01.600
<v Speaker 5>It Uh, that.

0:45:01.719 --> 0:45:05.880
<v Speaker 7>Had this voice that was a mature voice that they

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:10.480
<v Speaker 7>could sell to a whole bunch of adults. And I

0:45:10.560 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 7>was actually and I think it's actually kind of cool

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:17.960
<v Speaker 7>that I was being used as like abuse, like all

0:45:17.960 --> 0:45:21.040
<v Speaker 7>these love songs that Jesus got Babyface and and.

0:45:23.560 --> 0:45:23.960
<v Speaker 4>Songs.

0:45:24.800 --> 0:45:27.720
<v Speaker 7>No, but he was going through stuff with his wife

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:30.840
<v Speaker 7>and at the time, And so I realized now that

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:33.479
<v Speaker 7>they were writing and I was singing their.

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Expert channeling through you.

0:45:35.160 --> 0:45:35.560
<v Speaker 7>Wow.

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 5>Yes, because I didn't know anybody any think about that stuff.

0:45:38.960 --> 0:45:40.359
<v Speaker 5>Come on, tell me what you love to do.

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:43.560
<v Speaker 8>And and then that knowing that we were using it

0:45:43.600 --> 0:45:44.279
<v Speaker 8>to make out with.

0:45:47.480 --> 0:45:48.760
<v Speaker 3>It on mixtapes.

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 4>You know, Listen along with You was a staple on

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:57.480
<v Speaker 4>my Slow Jam mixtape. Man, listen that record will never

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:00.480
<v Speaker 4>really like your work with Alba Man. I gotta say,

0:46:00.560 --> 0:46:04.279
<v Speaker 4>like that one Goodbye like I love love that song.

0:46:04.320 --> 0:46:06.200
<v Speaker 5>Man, I love that stuff too. I think he did

0:46:06.200 --> 0:46:06.799
<v Speaker 5>a great job.

0:46:11.600 --> 0:46:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Like on the first album, it had to be five

0:46:13.840 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 2>or six singles, correct, Yeah, I tell me what you

0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:19.480
<v Speaker 2>want to do?

0:46:19.680 --> 0:46:20.000
<v Speaker 5>Uh?

0:46:20.480 --> 0:46:21.280
<v Speaker 1>Round and round?

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:26.120
<v Speaker 4>Confused? Gotused one song?

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Like, there's at least six singles off this joint. And

0:46:29.280 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 2>so who was the ringleader that said Okay, I'm like,

0:46:34.760 --> 0:46:38.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm what I say goes as far as like your head,

0:46:38.440 --> 0:46:40.879
<v Speaker 2>is it Benny that's driving the wheels?

0:46:41.400 --> 0:46:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Excuse me?

0:46:43.480 --> 0:46:44.239
<v Speaker 5>I really was.

0:46:44.800 --> 0:46:47.920
<v Speaker 7>No, I'm telling you the truth. I mean, Bennie Medeena

0:46:48.120 --> 0:46:51.160
<v Speaker 7>was was the Yeah, I mean I'm the one that

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:53.920
<v Speaker 7>got to choose the songs. Yeah, they worked me, they

0:46:53.920 --> 0:46:58.399
<v Speaker 7>sent me everywhere. So yeah, Warner Brothers was responsible for.

0:47:00.040 --> 0:47:02.319
<v Speaker 2>On the other side of that question, are there any

0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:06.760
<v Speaker 2>notable songs that were submitted to you that you passed

0:47:06.800 --> 0:47:10.080
<v Speaker 2>on that someone else took and did something?

0:47:10.200 --> 0:47:10.359
<v Speaker 7>Oh?

0:47:11.000 --> 0:47:13.239
<v Speaker 5>No, I can't. I can't.

0:47:13.560 --> 0:47:18.640
<v Speaker 7>No, you took not any famous, not anything that you No, No,

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 7>I take the hits.

0:47:20.480 --> 0:47:24.440
<v Speaker 1>I gotta are you? Are you familiar with the Usher story.

0:47:24.360 --> 0:47:34.800
<v Speaker 5>With I think that's actually a true story.

0:47:34.880 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 7>I think that I think that's in l a read's book.

0:47:39.560 --> 0:47:42.360
<v Speaker 7>From my understanding, I think la Reid wanted Sure to

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:44.480
<v Speaker 7>have can We Talk? But he wanted me to have

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:49.200
<v Speaker 7>can we Talk? And uh, but I had it. You know,

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:53.560
<v Speaker 7>I don't even listen. Sure, I love him. I actually

0:47:53.600 --> 0:47:58.279
<v Speaker 7>just did a gig with him, okay in Atlanta. Yeah,

0:47:58.480 --> 0:48:00.240
<v Speaker 7>Tyler Perry, so we should.

0:48:00.080 --> 0:48:02.840
<v Speaker 5>At the save stage. I love USh, I always have

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:03.359
<v Speaker 5>loved USh.

0:48:03.840 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Birth the well that was not why that was?

0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:09.480
<v Speaker 5>It was you? That was?

0:48:09.560 --> 0:48:17.320
<v Speaker 6>That was my wine you started. It's a cool and

0:48:17.360 --> 0:48:19.560
<v Speaker 6>it's a luminous over here.

0:48:20.719 --> 0:48:23.919
<v Speaker 7>No, but I don't believe that can we can we talk?

0:48:24.880 --> 0:48:27.200
<v Speaker 7>First of all, it's a great so I'm not saying

0:48:27.200 --> 0:48:31.719
<v Speaker 7>that it's so well written. And I said this on

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:35.040
<v Speaker 7>something else somebody asked me about it. I could never

0:48:35.280 --> 0:48:37.239
<v Speaker 7>I Got It Bad as one of my favorite R

0:48:37.320 --> 0:48:40.240
<v Speaker 7>and b mm hmmm ballads.

0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:41.799
<v Speaker 5>It always has been.

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.440
<v Speaker 7>I could never sing I Got It Bad like Usher,

0:48:45.480 --> 0:48:46.640
<v Speaker 7>And I don't believe USh you could sing?

0:48:46.680 --> 0:48:47.799
<v Speaker 5>Can we talk like I could?

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:48.799
<v Speaker 3>You know as you got it bad?

0:48:48.840 --> 0:48:49.279
<v Speaker 1>But that's okay.

0:48:49.320 --> 0:48:50.280
<v Speaker 3>I know you ain't being shady.

0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 7>No, it's it's yeah, you got it bad, you got

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:56.479
<v Speaker 7>it bad, You got it you got it bad?

0:48:56.800 --> 0:48:57.680
<v Speaker 1>No, I know I.

0:48:57.560 --> 0:49:01.080
<v Speaker 7>Wasn't being shaked. I do have a song called there

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:05.040
<v Speaker 7>you Go. No, I swear to God, no, no, that

0:49:05.160 --> 0:49:07.160
<v Speaker 7>son sucks. No, there's nothing compair to know you got

0:49:07.160 --> 0:49:09.160
<v Speaker 7>it bad. But that was my favorite and it still

0:49:09.200 --> 0:49:11.279
<v Speaker 7>is one of my favorite RMB songs about that's when

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:14.759
<v Speaker 7>I hear it, i'd be like, okay, yeah, no, no, no,

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:18.600
<v Speaker 7>but anyway, yeah, And I read the thing he said

0:49:18.640 --> 0:49:20.520
<v Speaker 7>about the can't We No, it was my song.

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:22.680
<v Speaker 5>Let me have it, I mean, you know, let me

0:49:22.760 --> 0:49:24.160
<v Speaker 5>have my song. It's my song.

0:49:24.320 --> 0:49:25.879
<v Speaker 3>That was your song, your song.

0:49:26.080 --> 0:49:28.640
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's my song. I'm blessed to have it. It's

0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:33.800
<v Speaker 7>a it's an amazing song. It it's crazy, it's crazy,

0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 7>it's crazy. It's a beautiful song. And I love it,

0:49:36.160 --> 0:49:38.560
<v Speaker 7>you know, And I love that it's mine. And I

0:49:38.640 --> 0:49:40.560
<v Speaker 7>didn't used to be like this. I used to be like, oh,

0:49:40.560 --> 0:49:42.279
<v Speaker 7>I don't want to hear it, But now I listen

0:49:42.320 --> 0:49:44.880
<v Speaker 7>to it. I actually will listen to you like, you

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:50.160
<v Speaker 7>know what. That's a good thing. I'm actually embracing my

0:49:50.160 --> 0:49:54.840
<v Speaker 7>my art, you know. So I'm very very blessing on

0:49:54.960 --> 0:49:56.200
<v Speaker 7>it to have that song in my work.

0:49:58.000 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 4>Question regarding your work with not to Michael Walton because

0:50:01.160 --> 0:50:03.279
<v Speaker 4>two of the records that I really loved on I'm

0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:06.439
<v Speaker 4>Ready was Don't Say good Bye Girl and Brown Eye Girl.

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:09.560
<v Speaker 4>Like you have any memories of like recording those two?

0:50:09.640 --> 0:50:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I really, I really love those records.

0:50:11.680 --> 0:50:18.880
<v Speaker 5>Oh thank you. I co wrote bl Hey, you know

0:50:19.040 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 5>Nardi is it?

0:50:20.080 --> 0:50:22.319
<v Speaker 7>I remember he likes to sit down and just start

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:24.759
<v Speaker 7>playing on the piano and he would just he'd just say,

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 7>start saying whatever comes to mind, Just start saying. That's

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:28.600
<v Speaker 7>how he came up with told me which one me

0:50:28.640 --> 0:50:31.799
<v Speaker 7>to do, That's how we came up with Brown Eye Girl.

0:50:32.239 --> 0:50:34.399
<v Speaker 7>Don't Say Goodbye Girl was a song that he had

0:50:34.520 --> 0:50:36.919
<v Speaker 7>written already. Though I loved Don't Say Goodbye Girl.

0:50:37.080 --> 0:50:38.600
<v Speaker 4>That's the one for Yeah, I love that song.

0:50:38.680 --> 0:50:41.920
<v Speaker 7>That's one of my favorite of my vocal performances. You know,

0:50:42.800 --> 0:50:43.520
<v Speaker 7>because that's what I mean.

0:50:43.560 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 5>He works. He worked me, man, like I had to

0:50:46.600 --> 0:50:47.720
<v Speaker 5>work to get those notes.

0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:48.719
<v Speaker 4>You know what I'm saying. I didn't hear it.

0:50:48.920 --> 0:50:50.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, And there's no.

0:50:50.400 --> 0:50:54.799
<v Speaker 7>Kind of there's no sort of alterations or anything on that.

0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:57.200
<v Speaker 7>That's all me getting that out. Like he do it again,

0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.120
<v Speaker 7>do it again? He would stop, he would get your

0:50:59.120 --> 0:51:02.359
<v Speaker 7>break it again, do it again again and coffee. That's

0:51:02.360 --> 0:51:03.560
<v Speaker 7>how I got to think to coffee.

0:51:03.560 --> 0:51:09.720
<v Speaker 10>But anyway, wait, let me ask you because the Narda

0:51:09.800 --> 0:51:13.799
<v Speaker 10>Michael that I know because because of his him being

0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:18.839
<v Speaker 10>Buddhist and everything, is he like that?

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Is he like that in the studio or visus.

0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:27.800
<v Speaker 5>Like coming down and give me some feeling? Yes, and

0:51:27.920 --> 0:51:31.040
<v Speaker 5>he gets all the incense and everywhere. Yeah, that's wow.

0:51:35.080 --> 0:51:38.080
<v Speaker 1>I think it's the ultimate Jedi mind trick because I

0:51:38.120 --> 0:51:40.759
<v Speaker 1>know there's a there's another person who's a Buddhist in

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:45.200
<v Speaker 1>my life and she has the ability. She'll start here,

0:51:45.320 --> 0:51:46.440
<v Speaker 1>but somehow she'll.

0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Calm me down and she'll talk very low and then

0:51:49.520 --> 0:51:53.040
<v Speaker 2>the next thing I know, and I realized that's a

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 2>Jedi mind trick. So yeah, I always wanted to know

0:51:57.360 --> 0:52:01.920
<v Speaker 2>with Narada, especially that the fact that Narda has what

0:52:01.960 --> 0:52:05.239
<v Speaker 2>I call going into the lines, then like you have

0:52:05.440 --> 0:52:10.480
<v Speaker 2>to have a level of social wisdom if you're producing

0:52:10.520 --> 0:52:14.479
<v Speaker 2>a Refa and Whitney Houston and like, you know, his

0:52:14.480 --> 0:52:18.760
<v Speaker 2>his entire canon of people that he's produced, singer singer,

0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:22.320
<v Speaker 2>So I know that he has to have some sort

0:52:22.360 --> 0:52:26.759
<v Speaker 2>of Jedi mind trick that gets you guys to trust him.

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:28.400
<v Speaker 1>And I always wanted to know what that.

0:52:28.480 --> 0:52:32.360
<v Speaker 5>Was like, it's his spirit, you know what. You just

0:52:32.400 --> 0:52:33.480
<v Speaker 5>described his whole.

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 7>So when you walk to stew that's the that's the

0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:39.560
<v Speaker 7>vibe that you get, you know, so you don't mind working,

0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:43.080
<v Speaker 7>but you know what it's It was the coffee for me,

0:52:43.400 --> 0:52:46.960
<v Speaker 7>and it was just him being and he would record

0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:49.480
<v Speaker 7>all the sessions, so I knew the Karen was right

0:52:49.560 --> 0:52:49.759
<v Speaker 7>on me.

0:52:50.360 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 5>So I would literally try to sound my best, you know.

0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:58.799
<v Speaker 4>Oh he would like like video like library, you.

0:52:58.840 --> 0:53:06.239
<v Speaker 7>Got library, don't say nothing now, So I'm sure he

0:53:06.239 --> 0:53:07.000
<v Speaker 7>did with that way.

0:53:07.000 --> 0:53:07.879
<v Speaker 5>I'm sure he did.

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Damn. We definitely give on the shoe.

0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:14.759
<v Speaker 5>Man, you gotta get out.

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:18.200
<v Speaker 7>She has some great stories. But he creates an atmosphere

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:19.759
<v Speaker 7>and it's due to Tarpan Studios.

0:53:20.320 --> 0:53:21.160
<v Speaker 5>It really helps.

0:53:21.200 --> 0:53:23.960
<v Speaker 7>Man, when you walk into that atmosphere, you ready to work,

0:53:24.000 --> 0:53:25.959
<v Speaker 7>and he makes you believe that you can do it better.

0:53:26.040 --> 0:53:27.320
<v Speaker 5>You can do it better, do all more time, you

0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:28.680
<v Speaker 5>can do it better? And did you do it?

0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Like, at what point in your career as far as

0:53:31.440 --> 0:53:35.919
<v Speaker 2>your your albums are concerned, where you feel as though

0:53:36.000 --> 0:53:40.279
<v Speaker 2>as an artist you have ideas that you want to

0:53:40.320 --> 0:53:43.200
<v Speaker 2>express and production that you want and a certain sound

0:53:43.239 --> 0:53:48.520
<v Speaker 2>that you want, like, are are they letting you get

0:53:48.560 --> 0:53:50.440
<v Speaker 2>a word in edge wise or is it still like

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:53.320
<v Speaker 2>here work with this person, here with that person?

0:53:53.400 --> 0:53:57.120
<v Speaker 7>And I had no interest in anything in that sort.

0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:01.000
<v Speaker 7>I was too busy trying to figure out life. Yeah,

0:54:01.160 --> 0:54:02.759
<v Speaker 7>and I had no time to figure out life because

0:54:02.760 --> 0:54:04.799
<v Speaker 7>I was working, so I didn't care all.

0:54:05.360 --> 0:54:08.319
<v Speaker 5>You know. I got to choose the songs. That's it.

0:54:08.520 --> 0:54:11.120
<v Speaker 7>I wouldn't sing anything that I didn't like that no

0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:13.319
<v Speaker 7>one made me sing anything I didn't like. I had

0:54:13.320 --> 0:54:16.319
<v Speaker 7>to last digs on the songs. But as far as

0:54:16.440 --> 0:54:20.840
<v Speaker 7>trying to say something or do it please, no, I

0:54:20.880 --> 0:54:21.880
<v Speaker 7>didn't think of anything.

0:54:23.160 --> 0:54:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean, besides like the radio shows where they would

0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.359
<v Speaker 2>do like a summer jams or powerhouse or you come

0:54:28.840 --> 0:54:31.600
<v Speaker 2>and just do your two joints, Like did you ever

0:54:32.840 --> 0:54:36.000
<v Speaker 2>have an actual touring experience at least similar to the

0:54:36.000 --> 0:54:40.120
<v Speaker 2>one like when you did Round and Round on our

0:54:40.200 --> 0:54:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Sinio Princess band, What's your backup?

0:54:43.680 --> 0:54:46.000
<v Speaker 1>And that shit was perfect to me?

0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:51.759
<v Speaker 2>But like, how often did you really get to go

0:54:51.840 --> 0:54:55.440
<v Speaker 2>out on the road with a band and tour and

0:54:55.520 --> 0:54:57.640
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing? Did that happen at all? Was

0:54:57.840 --> 0:54:59.400
<v Speaker 2>just like spot dates?

0:54:59.800 --> 0:55:02.600
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I know that that didn't happen a lot. So

0:55:02.640 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 7>my mom didn't didn't allow a lot of that stuff.

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:08.160
<v Speaker 5>She because I was already traveling doing.

0:55:08.239 --> 0:55:10.120
<v Speaker 2>You have an option to say no, I don't want

0:55:10.120 --> 0:55:12.880
<v Speaker 2>to tour, because I would figure, like in the nineties,

0:55:13.920 --> 0:55:15.200
<v Speaker 2>you got a tour, right, because.

0:55:15.080 --> 0:55:16.040
<v Speaker 3>Mama had that option.

0:55:16.920 --> 0:55:19.239
<v Speaker 7>My mom was she didn't play. I went on one

0:55:19.320 --> 0:55:21.600
<v Speaker 7>tour with Boys to Man and Babyface. I opened up

0:55:21.600 --> 0:55:24.760
<v Speaker 7>for that tour and that was for I think three weeks,

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:25.600
<v Speaker 7>and that was on.

0:55:25.600 --> 0:55:30.200
<v Speaker 5>My Christmas break, and that's it. My mom didn't allow.

0:55:30.520 --> 0:55:33.560
<v Speaker 7>But I was working so much already, I don't that's why.

0:55:33.600 --> 0:55:35.560
<v Speaker 7>I think that's probably why she didn't allow it. I

0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:38.240
<v Speaker 7>was always traveling promoting the album.

0:55:39.400 --> 0:55:41.720
<v Speaker 6>But that's the money, right, Touring is like the money

0:55:41.719 --> 0:55:42.799
<v Speaker 6>though really right?

0:55:43.880 --> 0:55:46.560
<v Speaker 5>Oh okay, it wasn't the same as it was now.

0:55:46.640 --> 0:55:49.120
<v Speaker 5>I mean, I don't think I mean it.

0:55:49.920 --> 0:55:53.480
<v Speaker 7>No, I can't think of Vidy and plus I was

0:55:53.520 --> 0:55:55.200
<v Speaker 7>one of the only kids doing it.

0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:57.440
<v Speaker 5>But I think the boy groups went on tour, so

0:55:57.480 --> 0:55:59.319
<v Speaker 5>maybe like the New Kids on the Blox.

0:55:59.080 --> 0:56:03.000
<v Speaker 7>And New Addition, they probably went onto it.

0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:04.759
<v Speaker 1>But so it would have been hard to pair you

0:56:04.840 --> 0:56:05.400
<v Speaker 1>with someone.

0:56:06.160 --> 0:56:10.680
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, exactly, that. Yeah, but iway was one of that because.

0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:13.240
<v Speaker 1>With Tracy Spencer and Brandy, like Spencer would.

0:56:13.000 --> 0:56:17.160
<v Speaker 3>Have been good yeah, Marian or something.

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 5>Oh wow, that's pretty cool thought.

0:56:20.280 --> 0:56:23.479
<v Speaker 2>Someone told me that she does like, uh, like spot

0:56:23.520 --> 0:56:26.840
<v Speaker 2>commercials where like I mean, you don't know that that's

0:56:27.280 --> 0:56:29.759
<v Speaker 2>the mom in the supermarket or that sort of thing.

0:56:30.440 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 1>I believe that that's like her lane, Like she's done.

0:56:34.920 --> 0:56:37.000
<v Speaker 3>A bunch of we did assume they all knew each other,

0:56:37.040 --> 0:56:37.479
<v Speaker 3>right a mirror.

0:56:37.480 --> 0:56:42.319
<v Speaker 8>I'm like, so timing you knew Tracy, right, Yeah, But

0:56:42.440 --> 0:56:44.040
<v Speaker 8>I really think that my mom.

0:56:44.200 --> 0:56:46.399
<v Speaker 7>I know, my mom was very protective with me when

0:56:46.440 --> 0:56:47.960
<v Speaker 7>I was When I was a kid in the business,

0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:50.920
<v Speaker 7>she didn't you can ask anybody, you know, she didn't.

0:56:51.760 --> 0:56:55.760
<v Speaker 5>She was very protective. So I was that she couldn't

0:56:55.800 --> 0:56:57.920
<v Speaker 5>stop me from being a.

0:56:57.880 --> 0:57:02.240
<v Speaker 7>Pest, but when it came to like like just working

0:57:02.320 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 7>and she had to make sure who was gonna be

0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:08.120
<v Speaker 7>around me. And I had these people from Warner Broths,

0:57:08.160 --> 0:57:11.080
<v Speaker 7>Karen Baker and Jean Shelton. It was always the ones

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:13.239
<v Speaker 7>that would travel with me. When she was with me,

0:57:13.320 --> 0:57:15.560
<v Speaker 7>you know, she was very protective for me. So I

0:57:15.560 --> 0:57:17.320
<v Speaker 7>think that's probably a lot of the reasons why I

0:57:17.320 --> 0:57:18.720
<v Speaker 7>didn't go out on tour, I.

0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:20.640
<v Speaker 3>Would explain no hip hop collaborations.

0:57:20.840 --> 0:57:23.120
<v Speaker 2>I got questions about Back to the World because to me,

0:57:23.320 --> 0:57:27.200
<v Speaker 2>that was such a shift, at least working with the

0:57:27.280 --> 0:57:31.840
<v Speaker 2>hit Man and whatnot. Can you talk about that experience with.

0:57:33.520 --> 0:57:35.360
<v Speaker 5>Working actually the world.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that was a confusing time of my life because

0:57:39.880 --> 0:57:41.680
<v Speaker 7>I didn't really understand what was going on with the

0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:46.120
<v Speaker 7>whole Warner brother situation. I didn't understand why why Back

0:57:46.160 --> 0:57:49.440
<v Speaker 7>to the World wasn't It was sort of like they

0:57:49.840 --> 0:57:51.280
<v Speaker 7>sort of like just forgot about me.

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:53.720
<v Speaker 2>But it's like you had all the pieces in place,

0:57:53.800 --> 0:57:56.720
<v Speaker 2>at least I know, Chucky did stuff on it, and.

0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:01.520
<v Speaker 1>Like the hit Man Stevie j I don't you know.

0:58:01.560 --> 0:58:03.360
<v Speaker 1>And I don't know what Puff's role is as far

0:58:03.400 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 1>as like.

0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 5>He was there, I'm not gonna he was.

0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:13.000
<v Speaker 7>He was there, was there, and Puffy's great, we both scorpios,

0:58:13.040 --> 0:58:14.960
<v Speaker 7>and he was there and then and you know, he

0:58:15.000 --> 0:58:16.240
<v Speaker 7>wasn't there, and then he was there again.

0:58:16.320 --> 0:58:18.480
<v Speaker 5>So let's just put it that way. But that wasn't

0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:19.439
<v Speaker 5>that wasn't it.

0:58:19.440 --> 0:58:22.360
<v Speaker 7>It was there was just a shift in the whole

0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:26.720
<v Speaker 7>Warner Brothers makeup. So Bo Austin Hanks, Van ray Ereris,

0:58:26.800 --> 0:58:30.240
<v Speaker 7>all those guys left left. Yeah, Ditri was not on

0:58:30.320 --> 0:58:32.840
<v Speaker 7>Black music anymore. It wasn't no me anymore. It was

0:58:32.920 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 7>on some other thing. And so, I mean, and I

0:58:37.000 --> 0:58:39.040
<v Speaker 7>didn't understand it at the time. Understand it now it's

0:58:39.040 --> 0:58:42.160
<v Speaker 7>a business, but at the time I did not understand it.

0:58:42.280 --> 0:58:44.520
<v Speaker 7>So that was sort of a weird time for me.

0:58:44.880 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 7>And so I showed up at the photo session for

0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:48.960
<v Speaker 7>that album with twists.

0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:51.240
<v Speaker 5>And twists and they were like, what the hell did

0:58:51.280 --> 0:58:51.760
<v Speaker 5>you do?

0:58:51.880 --> 0:58:54.520
<v Speaker 7>I was like, yeah, I got twist. Yeah, just just rebelling,

0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:58.200
<v Speaker 7>you know, being mad. So yeah, that was that was

0:58:58.280 --> 0:58:58.840
<v Speaker 7>not a good.

0:58:58.720 --> 0:58:59.160
<v Speaker 5>Time for me.

0:58:59.840 --> 0:59:03.200
<v Speaker 4>My favorite record on that album was the I don't

0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:05.040
<v Speaker 4>know if it was a single, but could it be,

0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:07.800
<v Speaker 4>like that's still thank you?

0:59:08.320 --> 0:59:09.600
<v Speaker 5>That's the one record too.

0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:12.120
<v Speaker 4>Do you remember recording you have any memories of it

0:59:12.160 --> 0:59:12.640
<v Speaker 4>with work?

0:59:13.320 --> 0:59:16.240
<v Speaker 7>Remember its being in the studio with resigned because he

0:59:16.280 --> 0:59:18.120
<v Speaker 7>wrote all that stuff, He wrote all this stuff.

0:59:20.040 --> 0:59:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Did you work with Keith Crouch as well or he.

0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:24.840
<v Speaker 5>Was on that album?

0:59:24.960 --> 0:59:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Jazz okay jazz?

0:59:27.360 --> 0:59:30.160
<v Speaker 5>Yes, it was a great It was fun recording it.

0:59:30.560 --> 0:59:32.920
<v Speaker 5>I had a great time recording the album. It was just.

0:59:34.400 --> 0:59:36.680
<v Speaker 7>When they were trying to prepare him for the release

0:59:36.720 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 7>of the album. I was trying to rebel against one

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:39.000
<v Speaker 7>and brother.

0:59:40.680 --> 0:59:45.360
<v Speaker 2>In hindsight, did you feel as though like you just

0:59:45.400 --> 0:59:49.280
<v Speaker 2>wanted to break because you've basically been doing this since

0:59:49.320 --> 0:59:51.640
<v Speaker 2>you were twelve, like without any breaks or whatsoever.

0:59:53.080 --> 0:59:55.680
<v Speaker 5>Maybe that's what it was subconsciously, Maybe I wanted to break.

0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:56.280
<v Speaker 5>I don't know.

0:59:57.080 --> 1:00:00.520
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that's because there were three years between Ready and

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<v Speaker 2>Back to the World, Like, what was what we were you.

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<v Speaker 1>Doing in that? What was that?

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<v Speaker 3>I love? It ain't nothing wrong with I had.

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<v Speaker 7>I graduated high school in ninety five, okay, and I

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<v Speaker 7>think we started probably recordingated ninety six. I'm Ready came

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<v Speaker 7>out in ninety three, yeah, right, so.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh and then we got the Goofy movie that was

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<v Speaker 4>ninety five, and I.

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<v Speaker 7>Did a lot of stuff in between us, a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of soundtracks and a lot of stuff I did it

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<v Speaker 7>between that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, Joe, we're forgetting something. We're forgetting something. What is it? Dude?

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<v Speaker 1>Can you please talk about Black Men United? Yeah? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>We would have staled ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>There was always that one moment when the interviews over,

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<v Speaker 2>We're kicking ourselves because we forgot to ask something, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I know we're forgetting something.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>Hell yeah, yeah he's on the first you sunk leadoff

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<v Speaker 4>or no, let's go.

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<v Speaker 12>Man, Yeah you would know. I mean yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 12>remember the video shoot again being the past, and I

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<v Speaker 12>showed up at the video shoot. I think I got

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<v Speaker 12>into the argument with somebody and I left the video shoot.

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<v Speaker 12>That's why you see me in the booth on the

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<v Speaker 12>video by myself, not with everybody else.

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<v Speaker 5>I know there's another accident after the fact, yep. But

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<v Speaker 5>yeah it was bad.

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<v Speaker 3>How old were you? How old town?

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<v Speaker 5>How were you? I don't know what was that?

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<v Speaker 1>Well you were? It came out in ninety five.

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<v Speaker 5>Four, it was eighteen nineteen. Such a bread. That was

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<v Speaker 5>such a bread.

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<v Speaker 7>But that's a great song. That's a great song. I

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<v Speaker 7>liked the live performance better than I liked the record.

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<v Speaker 7>But the live performance were all on stage.

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<v Speaker 1>So you guys did at the American Music Awards, And

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<v Speaker 1>did you do it on our Sinio as well?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember the American Music Awards.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, I could be wrong about our Senior though.

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<v Speaker 1>But okay, well I know I've seen it once.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was the thing where they just sort of

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<v Speaker 2>gathered all the people on that song at different places

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<v Speaker 2>and they did their parts.

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<v Speaker 1>And it wasn't like I left.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah I was. I was something else.

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<v Speaker 1>I left.

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<v Speaker 5>I got into with somebody because I was late, and

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<v Speaker 5>I just left.

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<v Speaker 6>You got into it with somebody because you was late,

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<v Speaker 6>You got it?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I was.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't so I was right. Oh, I'm playing D.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm playing D. Don't don't kick man.

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<v Speaker 8>But somewhere there's that elder who's been watching you from

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<v Speaker 8>the jump and they're like, yeah, that stage, it's Heaven's life.

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<v Speaker 3>Wasn't my favorite. He was a little bit of an asshole.

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<v Speaker 5>There's somewhere I had angels watching over me. I'm telling

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<v Speaker 5>you that much.

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<v Speaker 3>But I was.

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<v Speaker 5>I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 7>I had to I had a lot of authority. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>you know when you give kids to authority sometimes, So wait.

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<v Speaker 3>To that question.

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<v Speaker 8>It's interesting because you were you were one of the

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<v Speaker 8>first of an era in that way. So do do

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<v Speaker 8>the other young guys who kind of followed in your footsteps?

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<v Speaker 8>Does anybody ever go do you know what?

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<v Speaker 3>Let me call Tevin. I know he been through this.

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<v Speaker 5>I hope they don't. I don't have anything.

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<v Speaker 3>You ain't got nothing for him.

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<v Speaker 5>I have nothing for you have to sort of go

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<v Speaker 5>through life, your whole life, and learn.

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<v Speaker 1>From unless I'm under a rock somewhere, it's not like.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course you came right right before social media was.

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<v Speaker 5>Even the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Lucky for you.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, thank god. I lucky for my childhood on social media.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I mean, you know, it's crazy, you know, the

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<v Speaker 7>nineties and stuff that we did back in the night.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, sorry, all right, I got to ask, did

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<v Speaker 1>you crash your car or something?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh? Yeah, I crashed it plenty times. Me me can

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<v Speaker 5>crash several cars.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, what was your first car? Since you were

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<v Speaker 1>a car person, what was your car fleet?

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<v Speaker 7>Like?

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<v Speaker 1>What was your scars?

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<v Speaker 8>Like?

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<v Speaker 5>What was my first car?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because you love them so much too.

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<v Speaker 5>I only had a couple of cars. It was the

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<v Speaker 5>big Long Mercedings.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, the West African Join the S five.

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<v Speaker 5>Hundred back then it was ninety two after Long Grade.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and.

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<v Speaker 3>We call them Nigerian Benzies.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're coming to America, America, Joff Joe fo All right,

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<v Speaker 2>my god, y'all.

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<v Speaker 5>Will bringing back some crazy memories right now.

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<v Speaker 7>Turned myself riding around that John, I did some drunk

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<v Speaker 7>driving and all that stuff, like I did bad things.

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<v Speaker 7>I did bad crash.

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<v Speaker 3>They are so lucky.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh they I'm only asking because like I just generally

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<v Speaker 2>never just it wasn't like you. I don't think that

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<v Speaker 2>you were in that Britney Spears Lane. Were sort of like, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he's gonna make it.

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<v Speaker 1>He came sort of thing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it wasn't like train wreck. I don't remember it.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, she's white.

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<v Speaker 7>When you when you were white and in the business,

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't have to worry about paparazzi and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 5>That's not something that I don't know how. I'm not

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<v Speaker 5>trying to be racist.

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<v Speaker 2>Or anything like that, but this is the one benefits

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<v Speaker 2>where beings versus white.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, don't worry.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn Steve, you're you're really on the twelve four right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's the one they went to the grocery store. Listen,

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<v Speaker 3>go ahead.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I was gonna say this is probably the rare

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<v Speaker 2>situation where being black benefits you, and the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>if you were white, you will probably have been on

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<v Speaker 2>the globes whatnot as far as the mentor is concerned, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>who would you say, was there anyone that could get

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<v Speaker 2>through to you, like as far as being a mentor

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<v Speaker 2>a quincy figure or whatever.

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<v Speaker 5>At that time though.

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<v Speaker 3>Listening to Miss Rond or your mama, yep.

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<v Speaker 5>And then when I didn't, I fell on my ass

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<v Speaker 5>hard too, So my mom was pretty much on a

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<v Speaker 5>person like getch to me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's kind of the lesson that I'm learning now, Like

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes the universe of life will present a situation to

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<v Speaker 2>you in which you can either heed the call or continuous,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, sort of be hard headed. And oftentimes people

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<v Speaker 2>only learn the lessons when they hit.

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<v Speaker 1>A rock rock rock bottom.

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<v Speaker 8>And it felt like the Hairspray period of time too,

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<v Speaker 8>was a turnaround, Like I felt like Hairspray was a

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<v Speaker 8>whole lifting, like it was a.

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<v Speaker 1>Well I had.

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<v Speaker 8>I have.

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<v Speaker 7>I've had many turnarounds, but most of them I didn't

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<v Speaker 7>listen And too, why didn't pay attention.

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<v Speaker 1>To I mean, you see what's happening with mainly with

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<v Speaker 1>younger rappers or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>But I mean, first of all, do you think that

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<v Speaker 2>you're even in a space in life from which you

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<v Speaker 2>could actually like mentor someone to be like yo, like.

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<v Speaker 5>I was you in the situation, And nah, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>really believe in that.

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<v Speaker 7>I really don't because you everybody's excuse me. Life is different, everybody,

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<v Speaker 7>every experience is different. And if you ask me my

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<v Speaker 7>advice on something, I'll give it to you. But I

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<v Speaker 7>don't believe in mentoring. I never believed in that.

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<v Speaker 10>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 5>That's where I just don't believe in it. I just

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<v Speaker 5>don't believe.

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<v Speaker 8>It's just fascinating because you come from so many mentors

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<v Speaker 8>in a way, so people perceive mentors.

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<v Speaker 7>Well even their words that the even advice that I

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<v Speaker 7>got from them didn't work. Until you have to understand

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<v Speaker 7>life in your own way. I don't care what advice

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<v Speaker 7>someone gives you, you know, you know what I'm saying, Like,

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<v Speaker 7>you have to go through life in.

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<v Speaker 5>Your own way and understand stuff your own way. That's

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<v Speaker 5>what I realized.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, you gotta learn, You got to learn

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<v Speaker 1>on your own.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, there are things that I remember my

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<v Speaker 5>great aunt saying when I was little.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>When I used to talk back to my mom, she

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<v Speaker 7>used to say, and I used to tell her what

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<v Speaker 7>she annoys me. She used to say that there were

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<v Speaker 7>things after you died, there are worst things that that

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<v Speaker 7>could happen to you. If you talk to you, mom,

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<v Speaker 7>I'll never forget that. Like she's saying, you're gonna burn

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<v Speaker 7>in hell, and you keep talking.

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<v Speaker 3>To you back to your words, I'm like, you ain't

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<v Speaker 3>get no whoopings. That's what that was.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, Little things like that, You're the last album it was.

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<v Speaker 4>It was self titled, but I remember reading a review

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<v Speaker 4>of that one, and I think the original title was Dandylion,

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<v Speaker 4>So was that the title album? Probably?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably?

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<v Speaker 4>Another way I really loved that song. Like another way

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<v Speaker 4>was I thought that was really gonna go up. You

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<v Speaker 4>know what I'm saying, I don't.

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<v Speaker 5>I don't like I don't like it at all.

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<v Speaker 1>I I.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't hate it.

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<v Speaker 7>But it was a point in my life where I

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<v Speaker 7>did not care about the album. I didn't care about

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<v Speaker 7>any I did not care about that. I didn't care

1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:16.599
<v Speaker 7>about that. I didn't care about that. There's a couple

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<v Speaker 7>of songs that I like, but that whole period was

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<v Speaker 7>just just confusion.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn. I got a question about the Cocoa song.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, that's a lovely song. I liked that song. I

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<v Speaker 5>like that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to say I went to school with

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<v Speaker 2>one of the songwriters on that song. But did you like,

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<v Speaker 2>did Susan Charles just submit that song to you or I.

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<v Speaker 5>Don't remember how it happened. I mean I remember going

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<v Speaker 5>down to Darryl Simmons studio and we recorded it being

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<v Speaker 5>me and Coco okay, and it was a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 5>But I don't remember how I was submitted. I'm shoot

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<v Speaker 5>submitted through Warner Brothers or something like that. But it's

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<v Speaker 5>a beautiful song. I love that song.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Susette is the young lady. I went to school

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<v Speaker 1>with her in elementary.

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<v Speaker 2>But she was the young lady who replaced Vanessa Williams

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<v Speaker 2>when she had to give.

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<v Speaker 1>Up a crown for Miss America.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Oh first place was Miss Jersey, who was

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<v Speaker 2>also a black woman.

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<v Speaker 3>Dang untold stories.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow she was. She was best friends with my sister

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<v Speaker 1>doing so, you know, I kind of grew up with

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<v Speaker 1>Susette and I know that she did some songwriting.

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<v Speaker 8>Whatever, Keavin, do you do you mind talking about the

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<v Speaker 8>Broadway thing and like what made you make that transition

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<v Speaker 8>into theater?

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<v Speaker 1>Don't?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't mind talking about it now. Someone just got

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<v Speaker 5>a call Quest.

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<v Speaker 7>They were trying to find me, and they called Quest

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<v Speaker 7>Records and they finally located me and they asked me

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<v Speaker 7>to come out and read for this part. So it

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<v Speaker 7>was Matt Lynz, who was the assistant director. His partner

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<v Speaker 7>recommended me for the part of Seaweed. He was like,

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<v Speaker 7>where's Tevin Campbell And they found me. Wow, And I

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<v Speaker 7>came out and I auditioned in front of all the people,

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<v Speaker 7>the directors and everybody, and then I walked out and

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<v Speaker 7>they didn't call me back in and told me we

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<v Speaker 7>got the part. So I played the Seaweed in Hairspray

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<v Speaker 7>for like on Broadway for like four years, and then

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<v Speaker 7>I went to Australia and lived out there for two

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<v Speaker 7>years and did it with a whole different cast and directors.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was a lot of fun. Yeah, So I

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<v Speaker 5>played Seaweed for like six years on the Broadway on

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<v Speaker 5>the theater stage.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, can you answer something for me Australia. And

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<v Speaker 1>I keep trying to tell people this that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I come from Philadelphia, which was you know, at one point,

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<v Speaker 1>you know they held the torch for a certain type

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<v Speaker 1>of soul music.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'll say it, Neil sol I don't see neo

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<v Speaker 2>soul as a four letter word, but oftentimes, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>on social media, whatever, just the amount of soul singers

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<v Speaker 2>that I see in Australia is staggering. So Ruwan one

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<v Speaker 2>of my managers when I was DJ and during the pandemic,

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<v Speaker 2>he's kind of like my DJ manager, tech guy. He's

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<v Speaker 2>from Australia, and he explained to me that's similar to

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<v Speaker 2>the UK. You know, like we live in America where

1:12:20.880 --> 1:12:25.439
<v Speaker 2>basically corporate radio controls the music that you're listening to.

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<v Speaker 2>Six six months from now, you know, a clear channel

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<v Speaker 2>will have already pre programmed, you know, the next little

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<v Speaker 2>Baby song or the next Doja Cat song, like we're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna play this fifty times, and you know, they have monopolies,

1:12:41.040 --> 1:12:42.760
<v Speaker 2>which is why we hear the same songs over and

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<v Speaker 2>over and over and over and over, whereas government radio

1:12:46.520 --> 1:12:50.520
<v Speaker 2>I e BBC one, BBC two, and the same with Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>It's still kind of like nineteen seventy eight or seventy

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<v Speaker 2>nine in America, where they actually trust the DJ to

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<v Speaker 2>be like this is.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool, this is not cool this.

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<v Speaker 2>And so as a result, rue explained to me, because

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to it's like suddenly out of nowhere

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<v Speaker 2>to start hearing like music that I would have gravitated

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<v Speaker 2>towards but by these Australian musicians. I mean you see it,

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<v Speaker 2>No Hiatus, Coyote and all that. But Rue was basically

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<v Speaker 2>explaining to me that on mainstream radio, you know, Eric

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<v Speaker 2>Abadu got equal time you know to Justin Timberlake or

1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:33.799
<v Speaker 2>Christina Aguilera or whatever, like it wasn't like pop radios

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<v Speaker 2>here and black radios here, Like.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't got black radio in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, No, But that's the thing, and that's why a

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<v Speaker 2>festival there's there's a there's a soul festival that's almost

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<v Speaker 2>like three times the size of Coachella, in which the

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<v Speaker 2>lineup is basically like the roots picnic on steroids. Like

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<v Speaker 2>every time you see the lineup, I think it's a

1:13:57.600 --> 1:14:01.640
<v Speaker 2>gag or like not true, it'll be like Maxwell DiAngelo,

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<v Speaker 2>you know as WV that like imagine seeing that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of lineup. But just with every black actor you ever loved.

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<v Speaker 1>And I my old thing was, when you were living

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<v Speaker 1>down there, did you notice a love for black music

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<v Speaker 1>or even your catalog that you weren't finding in the

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<v Speaker 1>States at all?

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<v Speaker 5>Well yeah, yeah, and both on the radio and from

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<v Speaker 5>the cast I was working with.

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<v Speaker 7>So the girl that played the lead Park, who was

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<v Speaker 7>like twenty, I don't know, six twenty five.

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<v Speaker 5>She started singing good Times by Retha Franklin.

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<v Speaker 7>I literally almost had hers breakdown because I never heard

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<v Speaker 7>of white girl singing good Times by Rutha Franklin literally,

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<v Speaker 7>and she had this amazing voice.

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<v Speaker 5>She could really sing. She knew all of the oldies.

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<v Speaker 7>And so we were riding around they would be playing

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<v Speaker 7>stuff that I had never heard in America by these artists,

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<v Speaker 7>these R and B artists that I had never heard,

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<v Speaker 7>and that kind of surprised me. And it wasn't You're right,

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<v Speaker 7>they don't have black station white stations. They just kind

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<v Speaker 7>of blade it all together. But they have a huge

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<v Speaker 7>appreciation for us, right.

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<v Speaker 8>I was just trying to understand Australia as a content anyway,

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<v Speaker 8>Like do they have black people outside of the natives

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<v Speaker 8>Aboriginal people?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm like, is they they have the concept of black

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<v Speaker 8>America and where these lyrics come from and all of

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<v Speaker 8>these things, or is it just like white people listening

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<v Speaker 8>to us so old.

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<v Speaker 7>They they have more of a concept of us than

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<v Speaker 7>we do of ourselves. Because let me tell you something

1:15:29.240 --> 1:15:33.040
<v Speaker 7>about Australia, and you speak to anyone over there. They

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<v Speaker 7>can do an American accent easy. You can speak to

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<v Speaker 7>an eight year old and they can do an American

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<v Speaker 7>accent because they study.

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<v Speaker 6>Us, right, that's an American accents telling it.

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<v Speaker 5>What I'm saying is they know our culture. They know

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<v Speaker 5>our culture.

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<v Speaker 7>They know they can tell you about hip hop and

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<v Speaker 7>you I'm telling you it's some hip hopsters over there.

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<v Speaker 1>They that true like music.

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<v Speaker 5>I lived there for two years. I'm telling you it's

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<v Speaker 5>like that. Now. Not all of the white people are

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<v Speaker 5>like that in Australia, but I was. I was surprised

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<v Speaker 5>by the knowledge.

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<v Speaker 7>I was surprised by the knowledge that some of these

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<v Speaker 7>people that I have met had a black music past

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<v Speaker 7>and present.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, so they're better students than the Japanese.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there was a point where I'll say, like in

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<v Speaker 2>ninety six ninety seven, where pre ferg EPs or group

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<v Speaker 2>like the Jurassic Five, or even like.

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Ben Harper, Ben Harm. I mean selling out like

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<v Speaker 1>yank Can you imagine?

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<v Speaker 2>Like literally the first thing was like I call my

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<v Speaker 2>boys up, like yo, man, we're we are actually open

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<v Speaker 2>up for the Dieraxic five and we're playing like a

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<v Speaker 2>Yankee Stadium type of venue, Like we couldn't believe like

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<v Speaker 2>that was the big industry that basically like underground black

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<v Speaker 2>acts get treated like gods over there.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>We couldn't, we couldn't fathom it, and simply because they're

1:16:59.560 --> 1:17:04.680
<v Speaker 2>really wasn't in apartheid with radio yet you know, like

1:17:04.960 --> 1:17:08.600
<v Speaker 2>they all got equal billing, which is like imagine like

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<v Speaker 2>listen to smells like teen Spirit and then like a

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<v Speaker 2>second lady, they're playing like chicken grease like an album cut,

1:17:15.080 --> 1:17:17.559
<v Speaker 2>not like, oh, here's the single, but it's just it's

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<v Speaker 2>crazy like that over there.

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<v Speaker 3>This culture is definitely too Yeah, it's cool. I'm glad

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<v Speaker 3>y'all liked it.

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<v Speaker 6>I just didn't love it was as much many black

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<v Speaker 6>people to you know, enjoy their culture.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, good stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>There's some black people over there over there, but they

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<v Speaker 7>don't live in the same area as as that. You know,

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<v Speaker 7>it depends on where you go. You go to Melbourne,

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<v Speaker 7>you get their African stead there.

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<v Speaker 2>I also say this much, most most of the underground,

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<v Speaker 2>like hip hopper is like you know, I can name

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I can't rattle off names right now, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say a good ten to twenty of them have

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<v Speaker 2>made their homes in.

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<v Speaker 1>Australia now, which is just like.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, basically like America, just there's there's almost no

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<v Speaker 2>future here if you're trying to make a living or

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<v Speaker 2>make a splash as far as culture is concerned.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm listening. I'm like, you know, ro versus way. God,

1:18:13.000 --> 1:18:15.439
<v Speaker 8>motherfuckers think a difference. So I'm listening in places to go.

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<v Speaker 7>So where they regular, where they regulate a woman's body

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<v Speaker 7>more than they regulate guns.

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<v Speaker 5>And that's what we're doing. It is my god, it's insane,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, for you.

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<v Speaker 2>To have this illustrious career and you're like, in your

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<v Speaker 2>your thirtieth year, what are your top five seven Campbell's

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<v Speaker 2>songs as far as like songs that you like and

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<v Speaker 2>don't give me that every song's my kid.

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<v Speaker 5>Like I'll give you. I'll give you some good songs.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you're appreciating them now, said I do.

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<v Speaker 5>I appreciate my work now more than I ever have. Okay,

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<v Speaker 5>so I'm gonna give you some real answers.

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<v Speaker 6>I love.

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<v Speaker 5>I know my Redeemer lived. I did that on the

1:18:57.479 --> 1:19:03.800
<v Speaker 5>Hammle's Sosiah soundtrack. Heard it, No, never heard that. I

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<v Speaker 5>can we talk? I like my vocal performance on there.

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<v Speaker 5>I think it's one of the best.

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<v Speaker 7>Holy Night, all right, holy Night. I like a perfect

1:19:17.960 --> 1:19:19.080
<v Speaker 7>World from the first album.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just it's I love it. Trying to think of

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<v Speaker 5>a really good one.

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<v Speaker 7>Then I listened to Weekly, Oh yeah, Tomorrow, Tomorrow, Yeah, tomorrow, definitely.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's one of the gains.

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<v Speaker 7>I enjoy listening to that because I sound totally different,

1:19:36.360 --> 1:19:38.760
<v Speaker 7>and it's when I its my first record. This is

1:19:38.880 --> 1:19:41.880
<v Speaker 7>so cute, you know, like you know, I will never

1:19:42.439 --> 1:19:45.200
<v Speaker 7>ever sounds like that ever again, and it's the first one.

1:19:45.400 --> 1:19:47.439
<v Speaker 7>So yeah, that's really special to me.

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<v Speaker 5>I like that one.

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<v Speaker 2>So for you in your your future, is there are

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<v Speaker 2>there any other bucket list things that you would like

1:19:57.560 --> 1:19:58.280
<v Speaker 2>it to accomplish?

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<v Speaker 3>Return to the stage. I returned to the theatrical stage.

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<v Speaker 3>Are there any be our way with performances? Are you

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<v Speaker 3>ever going to return to the stage.

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<v Speaker 5>I would love to go back to Broadway, but I

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<v Speaker 5>really I.

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<v Speaker 7>Wouldn't be happy until I wanted Grammy. So it all

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<v Speaker 7>it takes is one song to win a Grammy, so

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<v Speaker 7>I really do. I'm working on that album and I

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<v Speaker 7>really really want to release another album.

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<v Speaker 5>I just need a Grammy. I'll be happy when I

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<v Speaker 5>went with my Grammy. I would love to act. I

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<v Speaker 5>would love to do film and team. I've always wanted

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<v Speaker 5>to do that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, how was Queen Sugar Man? You did the Queen

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<v Speaker 4>Sugar for.

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<v Speaker 5>How I wasn't I should have? I need to do

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<v Speaker 5>it again because I was like not ready to catch up?

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<v Speaker 3>What season.

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<v Speaker 5>Years ago?

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<v Speaker 3>No it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>No it wasn't. I didn't get the season four yet.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still years ago.

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<v Speaker 5>But no acting.

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<v Speaker 7>And I would like to write a book when I'm

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<v Speaker 7>like sixty. I would like to write a book. I

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<v Speaker 7>wanted to do a podcast and talk about the pros

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<v Speaker 7>and cons of childhood starting.

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<v Speaker 3>But okay, so what's on?

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<v Speaker 5>A whole bunch of childhood form and childhood stars are there?

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<v Speaker 1>But that network.

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<v Speaker 5>I really would like to do, like an album like

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<v Speaker 5>Barry Manilow did, like classic songs.

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<v Speaker 7>I've always wanted to do an album like that because

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<v Speaker 7>I love classic songs like Frank Sinatra songs and stuff

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<v Speaker 7>like that.

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<v Speaker 5>But I'm just thinking out loud, have.

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<v Speaker 3>You been saying a feature requests happen?

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<v Speaker 8>Because I feel like a lot of these young kids

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<v Speaker 8>they have to hit you up for the for the

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<v Speaker 8>Tevin sound like they've.

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<v Speaker 3>Been You've been saying no, You've been saying no, I have.

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<v Speaker 5>Been saying no. But nobody asked me nothing like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, I can't believe to.

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<v Speaker 5>Call them. I don't believe.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like with all of this, you know everybody.

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<v Speaker 5>You know what.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the question I avoid the most because I hate

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<v Speaker 1>when I'm asked that question. Like people always be like

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<v Speaker 1>anybody that you like.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't have that no, no, no no, And I

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<v Speaker 2>never asked that, but I was just ask in general,

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<v Speaker 2>is there anyone that's made a record in the last

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<v Speaker 2>ten years?

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<v Speaker 1>Is something that like really touched you? Like, Okay, I

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<v Speaker 1>like that record or that song, or.

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<v Speaker 5>I like Jazzmine Sullivan. When I heard her, uh that

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<v Speaker 5>makes sense Hotels really sort of.

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<v Speaker 3>Talk about it.

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<v Speaker 5>It was interesting how she just.

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<v Speaker 7>Put her whole life, that story into the hour, because

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<v Speaker 7>that's kind of what I want to do with my

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<v Speaker 7>story that I'm trying to tell. And I think I

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<v Speaker 7>was very pressed at how she did that and made

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<v Speaker 7>it relatable and made it enjoyable and entertaining at.

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<v Speaker 5>The same time.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh so Jasmine can make the call and you would

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<v Speaker 3>say yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh, and I love her voice.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I think she's great saying I think we

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<v Speaker 2>have an end of Jasmine, do we I think we

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<v Speaker 2>got a little something some song.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we haven't endo her.

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<v Speaker 7>I like Lord too. I think she's very talented. I

1:23:06.520 --> 1:23:09.759
<v Speaker 7>heard her songwriting and the way she tells stories the album.

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<v Speaker 7>That album influenced me. I think it was her last

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<v Speaker 7>album that she released. So those two albums, I think

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<v Speaker 7>really got me thinking how I want to write my

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<v Speaker 7>album because it's not gonna be.

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<v Speaker 5>Can we talk? It's not gonna be. I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 7>I kind of want to tell my story in a

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<v Speaker 7>way that everybody can relate to, though, so I don't

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<v Speaker 7>want to stir people too far away from the formula.

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<v Speaker 7>But I do have a story to tell, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I have story is to tell. I can't just think

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<v Speaker 7>about love.

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<v Speaker 1>So this this has been a long time coming.

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<v Speaker 2>I think at first like two years ago, and I'm

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<v Speaker 2>so glad that we finally got to have this conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Well on.

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<v Speaker 2>Behalf of you know Sugar, Steve Unpaid, Bill like yeah

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<v Speaker 2>and front Tikolo.

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<v Speaker 1>This is Quest Love. Another great episode of quts Love.

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<v Speaker 1>We will see you good people on the next go round.

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