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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio, Ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: What's up?

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Speaker 2: This is Quest Love another episode of Course Love Supreme.

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Speaker 2: Here with my my crew, my team Supreme in the house.

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Speaker 3: Uh like you, how are you today? I am doing?

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Speaker 1: I know you know yo, even waiting today? It was

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Speaker 1: here first. Yeah, my day was here first.

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Speaker 4: I've been waiting on this one.

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Speaker 5: Man.

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Speaker 1: I know how you doing, Steve? How's life? I'm doing great?

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Speaker 1: Life is great.

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Speaker 5: I love this podcast. I love you and hello.

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Speaker 1: Hey, you love you too? Absolutely love.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Colon man, Colon man, this is one for the

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Speaker 4: record books. Man, listen, I'm good man, I'm good on chilling.

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited about this episode today. This is gonna

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Speaker 4: be a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking about it this morning and

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Speaker 2: I realized that this podcast is probably the anecdote to

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Speaker 2: my Instagram account, which, of course, you know, my Instagram

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Speaker 2: account could be another person's obituary. It's like, you don't

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Speaker 2: like my Instagram? Is you don't want to be on

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Speaker 2: that Summer Jams screen, Like, well, I be there next?

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Speaker 2: Is he going to be right about me?

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Speaker 1: You know? Next?

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Speaker 2: And the life I lived? And you know my death.

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Speaker 2: But you know, Fante actually brought up a point. You know,

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Speaker 2: sometimes we just need to give people their flowers. And

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Speaker 2: I think it's rather I think it's rather apropos that

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Speaker 2: we're taping this episode, especially after what I dubbed the

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Speaker 2: versus Comedy Hour. For real, I honestly feel like if

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Speaker 2: there ever was a paradigm shift or a kind of

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Speaker 2: kind of a sea change and just in the process

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Speaker 2: of of what art is, you could probably say that

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Speaker 2: our guest today was probably the last Mohican. And this

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Speaker 2: is not to you know, this is not to you know,

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Speaker 2: call out other singers that came after our guests and whatnot.

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Speaker 2: But I just feel as though just the level of

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Speaker 2: taking your craft seriously, especially for black music, is you know,

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Speaker 2: it's it's I feel as though it's it's kind of

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Speaker 2: in danger or at least at least in a deaf

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Speaker 2: Con five situation, if you if you know, y'all just

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Speaker 2: got to read between the line. Like our our our

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Speaker 2: guest today is definitely master master vocalist. I mean, he's

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Speaker 2: been our favorite for so long and we've been dying

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Speaker 2: to get him on the show. Without further ado, Ladies

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Speaker 2: and gentlemen, please welcome fricking Tevin Campbell.

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Speaker 1: It's on Quest Love Supreme.

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Speaker 5: Indeed, Kavian Campbell is honored to be.

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Speaker 1: I actually thought this was I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I just thought you'd be unobtainable or just not interested

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Speaker 2: in doing it. I don't even know how we started.

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Speaker 2: I think I just you know, shot my shot and

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Speaker 2: d MS is like, yo, yeah you got this.

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Speaker 6: We got you know, like you sent a text like

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Speaker 6: I got it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I didn't answer. I was just like, here, he's

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Speaker 1: not going to answer this.

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Speaker 5: First of all, we know each other. We run into

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Speaker 5: each other all the time.

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Speaker 7: Rights and uh no, I don't usually do interviews and

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Speaker 7: stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But you know what, Chris, thank you man, thank you.

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Speaker 5: I'm really honored.

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Speaker 4: I'm honored you're a family today.

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Speaker 8: Bro.

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Speaker 4: We just talk. We're just talking ship. So let's know,

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Speaker 1: It's weird.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So when I was looking up just like your

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Speaker 2: basic information, it's kind of weird how perception is, you know,

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Speaker 2: like throughout the years because like, okay, me sitting in

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Speaker 2: or just like even on the Freshman Sive like generally

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Speaker 2: just knowing you, like whatever your videos or whatever. I

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Speaker 2: think in my mind from this perspective me as a

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Speaker 1: And it's so weird.

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Speaker 2: How Like, I know you were born in seventy six,

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Speaker 2: which basically you're just five years younger than me.

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Speaker 1: But it's so weird.

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Speaker 2: Like at twenty, I felt you were like like, in

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Speaker 8: Me, because he was living a grown ass life. Remember,

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Speaker 8: we was like, wow, look his life must be awesome.

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Speaker 2: Man, So it's just weird how like we're actually like

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Speaker 1: But I don't know. My perception back when I was

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Speaker 2: Like you were way, way, way young younger than me,

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Speaker 7: No, it did a lot of people say that, But

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Speaker 7: I think that's the power of the childhood started phenomena,

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Speaker 7: telling Camell, but you look older, you.

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Speaker 1: Have great hair, you know, like everyone still to me.

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Speaker 7: But that's just the way the brain works, you know,

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Speaker 7: like people who are introduced as a child, everybody's going

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Speaker 7: to especially if you made some sort of impact. You know,

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Speaker 7: I was blessed to have made an impact as a kid.

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Speaker 7: People remember that, and so to this day I get

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Speaker 7: that same thing.

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Speaker 5: So you're not the only one.

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Speaker 2: Thank you again for doing this for us. Where you

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Speaker 2: talking to us now? From where are you?

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Speaker 5: I am in New York?

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Speaker 1: Well, first of all, do you what was your first

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Speaker 7: My aunt giving me the Amazing Grace album, the Franklin

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Speaker 7: That was the first album that I listened to continuously.

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Speaker 5: I think I was maybe eight or nine. She gave

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Speaker 4: So her version of Holy Holy is just like, come on, man,

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Speaker 5: Well, her version of a Mazing Grace is, Yeah, it's incredible.

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Speaker 7: I mean though the song was written by Amon, I

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Speaker 5: But anyway, She like, no, yeah, yeah, it does, it does.

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Speaker 2: What was it like for you to see the film

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Speaker 2: You mean you mean the her Refa's film version. She

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Speaker 1: Were you able to see the documentary or the concert

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Speaker 9: Which the Amazing Grace the Life? Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I thought it was beautiful in a point in her

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Speaker 9: life where she was very happy, not that she wasn't

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Speaker 7: The most beautiful thing. I think that people were touched

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Speaker 7: to see her sitting there in her element, playing at

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Speaker 2: Most people don't know that she's like just as good

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Speaker 5: She is sid Yeah, it's important for.

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Speaker 1: People to see that. So can you tell me about

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Speaker 1: your Where were you born?

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Speaker 5: I was born in Dallas, Texas a hospital.

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Speaker 7: Yes, okay, okay, yes, yes, I'm a country boy trying

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Speaker 7: to hide an accident. But it's actually gonna start coming out.

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Speaker 7: This my first class wine. So once I get on

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Speaker 7: the second class of wine.

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Speaker 5: Well I'm a wine god.

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Speaker 1: Didn't your episode.

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Speaker 3: Let me go get my box.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to start. No problems, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, So you grew up in Dallas?

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Speaker 2: Just in general, what was your you know, your formative

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Speaker 2: and did you discover with that album or were you

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Speaker 2: coming out the womb singing it?

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Speaker 5: Oh?

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Speaker 7: I was coming out the woom singing. I was singing

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Speaker 5: I was into cars and singing.

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Speaker 7: I remember when I was little, I used to run

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Speaker 7: That was I didn't think of it as anything particularly special.

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Speaker 5: It was just something that that was. I just how

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Speaker 7: I could see the effect I had on people, but

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Speaker 7: I grew to love it as I grew older. I

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Speaker 7: was just something that I could do. I didn't see

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Speaker 5: I was. It was just I was a kid.

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Speaker 2: When what age do you consider you actually starting your

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Speaker 7: Well, it definitely wasn't while I was a kid. It

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Speaker 7: I just I was just doing what I knew how

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Speaker 5: I didn't see it as something. I took it for granted,

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Speaker 5: I was a kid.

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Speaker 3: So did your mother see it first?

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Speaker 3: Is that what happened?

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Speaker 7: My mom grew up singing also, so yeah she she yeah,

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Speaker 7: she saw it. She saw it for everybody saw it.

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Speaker 7: But like I like, like I said, like, you know,

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Speaker 7: I did talent shows at school and stuff like that.

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Speaker 7: But I didn't walk around like thinking that I was

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Speaker 5: I was just singing like it wasn't something special it was.

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Speaker 5: I wasn't. I didn't consider it.

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Speaker 2: Special, like did everyone know, Like I like, were you

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Speaker 7: Or I think I was thrown into the business so

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Speaker 4: For me, it's like the Mary versus Faith argument, Like

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Speaker 5: I would. I would, totally. I would.

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Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: believe that I heard the story that when you were younger,

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Speaker 5: And no, eleven, I didn't. I was eleven. I know

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Speaker 7: So what happened was her brother and my mother were

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Speaker 7: I did once twice three times. I think by Howard Hewitt.

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Speaker 1: I was like, that's a mature song.

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Speaker 5: No, they're not kids. Well that was how he was.

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Speaker 3: That's the ship.

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Speaker 4: I was.

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Speaker 5: I was in front of all these grown people drinking

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Speaker 5: at this and I did.

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Speaker 3: I thinking you had no idea, no, but I knew.

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Speaker 7: That's what I meant about saying before, like you know,

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Speaker 7: I met everybody. Kenny Gee was aristed. He gave me

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Wait, you got you gotta understand the type of

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Speaker 2: So we're trying to nerd ship. Yeah, we're kind of

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Speaker 7: Yeah, because we met a lot of different people, and

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Speaker 7: Quincy was a lot.

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Speaker 5: He was the one that got me.

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Speaker 2: Wait, first of all, why did he give you a saxophone?

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Speaker 7: At least he gave me a saxophone that, you know.

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Speaker 7: I think that's probably when I started to realize, you know,

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Speaker 5: I knew that I knew that song he had a

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Speaker 7: Time, and I knew it right, Yeah, yeah, so it

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Speaker 5: Anyway, yeah so she she she was the reason why.

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Speaker 7: I I was signed to Quest Warner Bros. I mean,

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Speaker 7: That was a tape that Quincy actually saw. He was like, yeah, sis, kids, Wow,

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Speaker 2: Of course, so can you walk us through the process

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Speaker 1: Who are you right?

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Speaker 7: Michael Jackson was the first person that I've met that

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Speaker 5: I knew who he was, you know, But Michael. Wow,

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Speaker 5: Michael Jackson, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Wow, All right, wait, I got I have a Back

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Speaker 2: we asked this on the Quincy Jones episode that's never

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Speaker 2: ever coming out. Yes, we talked to We talked to

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Speaker 2: Quincy for four hours in Quinn.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of the wine.

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Speaker 5: So well, I'm not going to.

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Speaker 1: No no, no no, it's not no no, it's not

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Speaker 1: even silatious. It's not even silatious.

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Speaker 2: But I pretty much I think we all basically know

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'll be sure told us that you

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Speaker 2: I'll be sure got the spot. Were you at all

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Speaker 5: I was a kid.

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Speaker 7: No, I didn't know anything about that none, trust me

448
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,080
Speaker 7: if I.

449
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 5: Did, I tell you, But I was a kid. I

450
00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 5: was just in awe of everything.

451
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,960
Speaker 2: So you know, there's a curious moment on BT where

452
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Speaker 2: Quincy and Sarah Vaughan are sitting with Donnie Simpson. And

453
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,600
Speaker 2: you know, as a person that often talks like inside

454
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:31,199
Speaker 2: baseball to like people like I could say something one

455
00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:33,160
Speaker 2: of my band members that none of the audience would

456
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 2: know anything, And I guess Donnie Simpson had asked like, well,

457
00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: why isn't Michael Jackson on the record, And Sarah Vaughan

458
00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 2: sort of shot a look at Quincy and said something

459
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 2: encoded speak and Quincy and heard just started laughing, and

460
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 2: you know, like Donnie's like, let me in on the joke.

461
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,720
Speaker 1: He's like, no, it's best we not do that.

462
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,200
Speaker 2: So I you know, I just generally wanted to know

463
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:54,960
Speaker 2: if you.

464
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 5: I mean, I do know that there was a falling

465
00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 5: out between the two. That's all I know.

466
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Speaker 3: I'm just glad you was able to be a kid.

467
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Speaker 7: Well it wasn't a normal childhood, but I was. We

468
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 7: were able to be uh it's cheefus, it's cheeesus sometimes.

469
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,040
Speaker 5: But it was mostly working. So you know that's what.

470
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Speaker 8: I did, because you were out of the classroom setting

471
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 8: by this time, right, Like as a.

472
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Speaker 5: Kid, Yeah, well I went to a private school.

473
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 3: I love the what you said at private school?

474
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 5: All right, I did say that it was private school.

475
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,920
Speaker 5: I said that very snobby. Why that's the why I went.

476
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 5: I went to a private school.

477
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 7: No, it was not like when I moved to l A.

478
00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,199
Speaker 7: I went to a private school and uh, but I

479
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 7: was never there.

480
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,919
Speaker 2: I was never there, so you weren't able to have

481
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 2: like bonding or just like regular.

482
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 5: Bunding friendships and stuff like that.

483
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,760
Speaker 2: Walk us through that because we often hear like, hey,

484
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: we had tutors or whatever. But okay, so you're in school,

485
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,760
Speaker 2: which I assumed that at the age of twelve, you're

486
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: kind of in eighth grade, maybe seventh grade or eighth grade.

487
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 2: Can you walk us through a daily ritual like do

488
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: you have to show up at eight in the morning

489
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 2: or is it just.

490
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Speaker 7: It was very rare that I was in school consistently

491
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,560
Speaker 7: for like weeks and months.

492
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 5: So uh.

493
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 7: But the school that I attended a lot of celebrity

494
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 7: kids went to, so like Rod Stewart's Starter and all

495
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 7: the Jackson all the Jackson kids went there, and Rashida

496
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 7: and Candada everybody went there. So it was one of

497
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 7: those one of those private schools. But I was a

498
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 7: kid from Texas. So this is this is new for me.

499
00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 5: But I was never there.

500
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 7: But when I was there, I got in trouble and

501
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 7: got detention every other day because I never came in uniform.

502
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 7: When I came in uniform, my tie wasn't done all

503
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 7: the way or my my shirt was untucked. I was

504
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 7: always causing problems at that school, but I was allowed

505
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,800
Speaker 7: to because I was.

506
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:55,080
Speaker 5: I was on.

507
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Speaker 1: A lot of stuff.

508
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 5: Yeah.

509
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was just on Fresh Prince last week.

510
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 3: Calm down.

511
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 5: Oh wow, I keep showing that episode. It's really cool

512
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 5: though that they keep showing that. That's great.

513
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 2: At the top of this episode, when I was talking

514
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: about being a seasoned singer at this point, is you

515
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: know seth Riggs a part of your exercise or I

516
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 2: mean I would assume that someone must have suggested, like, okay,

517
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 2: you gotta warm your voice up and all that stuff.

518
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 2: Did you Were you a student of the great seth

519
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 2: Riggs as a vocal trainer?

520
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 1: Oh?

521
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:38,159
Speaker 5: I mean I thought you'd now.

522
00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I did go to seth Griggs where my voice

523
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 7: was changing to the point where I couldn't I could

524
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 7: like there was no control, like the puberty part when

525
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,439
Speaker 7: that hit, So I had to literally do, tell me

526
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 7: what you want me to do live and that's when

527
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 7: it hit.

528
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 5: So I couldn't hit this.

529
00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 1: So you started lowering the key, modulating the key down today.

530
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 7: No, no, we couldn't do that, not when you're not

531
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 7: when you're fourteen years old, you can't know the key.

532
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 7: You gotta do it, you know. So that's whe I started. Yeah,

533
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 7: there's no thing I can do that. Now I'm forty five.

534
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 5: You know, it makes sense to lord the key to

535
00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 5: that's all right, But when you're fourteen.

536
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 7: No, So I had to go to Seth Griggs for

537
00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 7: I went for the whole lot like a summer because

538
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 7: it was really bad. I had no control over that break,

539
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 7: and he taught me how to sort of control it.

540
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Speaker 5: After that, There's no I didn't go back to it.

541
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 2: How many so when you're training, how many hours? What's

542
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 2: the daily regiment? I mean how many hours? Is it

543
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 2: a day or is it just once a week or.

544
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:46,800
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, you go into his office and

545
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 7: you do a whole bunch of exercises. So you mean

546
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 7: for me at for a show or just.

547
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,439
Speaker 1: For you for you and Seth Griggs.

548
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, you just go in and here you just

549
00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 7: get your exercises to do for like thirty minutes, you

550
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 7: to pay for it hour he do an hour.

551
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 5: He used to charge like two thousand per hour. It

552
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 5: was it was ridiculous.

553
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,440
Speaker 7: It was something ridiculous. And he used to talk half

554
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:12,360
Speaker 7: the time. He used to talk time, and he did

555
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 7: that consistently. He was a great He was a great teacher.

556
00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 7: I learned a lot from him that I used to

557
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,680
Speaker 7: this day, like warm up exercises and all constant.

558
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:25,040
Speaker 2: For our listeners out there, Michael Jackson's two hour tutorial

559
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 2: is still surprisingly still on YouTube, which is basically two

560
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 2: hours of hearing Michael Jackson do all the scales.

561
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, no no no, like all the like.

562
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 2: That's probably one of the greatest vocal exercise educations that

563
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 2: you can get for free.

564
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: While it's oh.

565
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 5: Nice and it works, I mean that's all said.

566
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: He was.

567
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 7: He was an avid student. The set had a lot

568
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 7: of great a lot of great u great clients. But yeah,

569
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 7: like I said, yeah that stuff works, man, man, man, man,

570
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 7: all that stuff works. All that stuff it works. It's

571
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 7: all it's doing is just you know, sort of warming

572
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:07,719
Speaker 7: that out.

573
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: You know. We were introduced to you via back on

574
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,200
Speaker 1: the block. But when you were when you were brought

575
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 1: out there, did you immediately start working on your debut

576
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: album or was it just back on the block. Let's

577
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,439
Speaker 1: see what happens first.

578
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:25,239
Speaker 2: Okay, now you get a record deal or was it

579
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 2: just like out the gate, You're going to work on

580
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 2: your album and subsequently get introduced from Quincy.

581
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Speaker 3: I'm trying to remember thirty years like well I was.

582
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 5: I was twelve years old. I know, I know that.

583
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 7: After the introduction to Prince when being introduced, Bennie Bedinna

584
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 7: introduced me to Prince and I did the confiniti bridge

585
00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 7: round around, round and around. I know that he wanted

586
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 7: to be on the first album. I remember that and

587
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 7: Warner Brothers, uh, Warner Brothers would oh my god, there's

588
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 7: all kinds of crazy stuff.

589
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought that up.

590
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,960
Speaker 2: Everyone knows that I'm a Prince Stan and you know,

591
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: and also the Prince what I call the Orgers, the

592
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: Prince dot Orgers is sort of they always side eye

593
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: me when I start, you know, talking, my my, my,

594
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:22,120
Speaker 2: my trash.

595
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:22,959
Speaker 1: Now, I mean, this is the thing.

596
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,920
Speaker 2: Everyone knows that he's my north star as far as

597
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 2: creativity is concerned.

598
00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: But you know it.

599
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 2: It's to a lot of prince people that are very

600
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: honest with themselves. They would also know that that period

601
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: was a rather questionable period of his life. And I

602
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 2: got to hear the p the song that you you demo?

603
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: Did he demo in the way that you're smiling right now.

604
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 5: I don't even remember. I don't even remember doing that.

605
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 5: Where did God tell you?

606
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 7: I don't remember where we were, I don't remember what

607
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 7: year that was.

608
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 5: But all I know is that I was in the

609
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 5: middle of that.

610
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 7: I was in the middle of that whole thing, and

611
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 7: that didn't stop until after I'm.

612
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 2: Ready based on what I can tell, because you know,

613
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 2: I heard his I heard his demo, guy, and I

614
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: heard your version, and you literally followed everything to a t.

615
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 2: So I would basically say that if you're working with him,

616
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 2: is it just assume that, Okay, do exactly what I

617
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: do on this track and follow it to it?

618
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: Is either coaching you or is it just smell? No,

619
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: he's not.

620
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 5: It's just me. That's me.

621
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 7: I wasn't very experiment a lot when it came to him.

622
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 5: I kind of sing it like the demo.

623
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 7: The only songs I drifted away from the demo was

624
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 7: sort of was can we talk and I'm ready all

625
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 7: those songs, uh yeah.

626
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 3: And Tomorrow night at all because it was.

627
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,720
Speaker 7: Just that Tomorrow was all me, that was me, because

628
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 7: it wasn't it wasn't no that song. So she wrote

629
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 7: that literally in the studio.

630
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 8: I was just going to ask, when you got Tomorrow

631
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 8: as a fan of Whitney, did you feel like that

632
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 8: was kind of like your Whitney song in a way?

633
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: Did you feel you remember how you felt as a kid.

634
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 7: I didn't think that then, but I wasn't processed. My

635
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 7: brain wasn't processing us to think like that because I

636
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 7: was too I was too self conscious in the studio.

637
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 7: But I do think that sort of now, like when

638
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,560
Speaker 7: I listen to Tomorrow on one song, the sort of

639
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 7: inspirational songs that I have a couple that.

640
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 5: I do have. I have some more, but they're not

641
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 5: on my albums. But anyway, I do think that now.

642
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: Well, eventually I assume that you got to meet her,

643
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: What was it like for you to be or where

644
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: did you meet her?

645
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 7: The first time I met Whitney Houston, she invited me

646
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 7: to her listening party or her after party was some

647
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 7: sort of party. But the second time, which is more percival,

648
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 7: was when I were It was a hotel called the

649
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 7: Riga Royal which is now the London for the contract.

650
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,960
Speaker 5: But oh yeah, yal you remember it was her.

651
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 7: And Bobby and I was coming out of my room

652
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 7: and stuff and they were coming down the hall and

653
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 7: we had this whole long conversation.

654
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 5: She was like, how you do it? I was like

655
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 5: I do how you do? We used to do fight

656
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 5: and Bobby was there.

657
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 7: You know, it was like it just us. Street didn't

658
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 7: have any bodyguards anybody around him. It was just us

659
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 7: to you having a conversation. I was like fifteen sixteen,

660
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 7: and that was the last time that I saw Whitney Houston.

661
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 7: It was a second time that I met her. I

662
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 7: never knew her personally, like we were never friends or

663
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 7: I never called her, talked to her phone anything like that.

664
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 7: The only the closest connection I had with her was

665
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,400
Speaker 7: the nard of Michael Walden Uh. He used to call

666
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 7: her from the studio, but I never talked to her.

667
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 7: But he used to call it from Steven let her

668
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 7: here because I used to say just I used to

669
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 7: try to imitate her, so he would let her.

670
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 5: He would let her here like tell me much, want

671
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 5: me to do and stuff like.

672
00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: So she never knew, she never knew that you were

673
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 1: that she was your hero.

674
00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 5: Yes, oh yeah, she knew.

675
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:01,000
Speaker 1: And it was too overwhelming for you to strike a friendship.

676
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 7: I was a kid kid, you know, but she knew,

677
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 7: she knew that I freaking loved her. I told her

678
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 7: when I saw her, especially that time in the hall.

679
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, it was her and Aretha. I

680
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 7: could never act normally when I saw these two women.

681
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 7: I remember seeing Aretha on Broadway. We were some Broadway show, right,

682
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 7: and she she comes with these you know her what

683
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,480
Speaker 7: she was with and these ten just huge entourage.

684
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she knows me.

685
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 5: I've seen her many times since I was twelve years old.

686
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 5: I even came to sing for her. She invited me

687
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 5: to sing Always in My Heart, which was one of

688
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 5: her favorite songs. She invited me to sing that for

689
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 5: her at some event. I think it was a birthday party.

690
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 7: And so I saw her and I couldn't even leave.

691
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 7: You know how you do this this thing when.

692
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: You call Mariah, but.

693
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: You know, you know you listen.

694
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 5: I couldn't even I just I couldn't do that. I

695
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 5: couldn't do the cheeks just touched I be She was like,

696
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 5: what the hell is wrong with this?

697
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 7: But I was so nervous to even like like, but

698
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 7: she could tell.

699
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 5: She could just she knows she ever teached yourself. It's like,

700
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 5: how's your mom? How's your mom? She used today she

701
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 5: was I digress.

702
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: Were you able to bond with a circle of people?

703
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: Like who would you consider?

704
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: You know?

705
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 8: Like?

706
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: Okay, So when I came into business, then I became

707
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: friends with common and we became friends and started hanging

708
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: Like did you have peers that you regularly hung with?

709
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,920
Speaker 7: And no, because I was twelve, so there was nobody

710
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,920
Speaker 7: else my age, okay doing what I was doing.

711
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,280
Speaker 8: In our minds, you were real friends with Tatiana Ali

712
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 8: in our teenage mind was like.

713
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 7: No, not really we we we we were friends. Yeah,

714
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 7: But you know I hung out a lot with the boys.

715
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:04,280
Speaker 5: Remember the group of the boys.

716
00:34:59,600 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 2: I can.

717
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah.

718
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 7: We broke a lot of lamps in the hotel rooms

719
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,640
Speaker 7: and stuff, and me and my brother and the boys

720
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 7: used to hang out a lot. So the boys, but

721
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 7: I didn't bond with them like we were just so.

722
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 7: But the sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen, those years now, I

723
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 7: was pretty much a loner, haven't was. There was a

724
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,800
Speaker 7: lot going on. There was a lot going on. I

725
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 7: don't think I even realized how much was going on

726
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 7: until a couple of years ago when I actually start

727
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 7: to process everything. So, I mean, like I said, I

728
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 7: don't regret anything, but there's a lot of they're more

729
00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 7: pros than thera cons to being a child a childhood star,

730
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 7: former child star, you know. I mean, it's it's an

731
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 7: amazing thing to be able to say that and survive.

732
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: How long, on average does it take you.

733
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 2: To get through a take where you're satisfied with it,

734
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 2: and the producers satisfied with it, and all parties involved

735
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: are satisfied.

736
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 5: That depends. They used to call me one take, Tevin.

737
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: Okay, talk your shit.

738
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 5: I'm not I didn't make that up. I did not

739
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 5: make that up. I swear to God, that's Babyface gave

740
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:13,879
Speaker 5: me that name.

741
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 8: Uh.

742
00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 7: I don't remember how many takes I became we talked.

743
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 7: It wasn't a lot back then. I just went in

744
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 7: and I hated actually being in the studio. I went

745
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 7: to be in the streets.

746
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 5: I wouldn't want to play. I wanted to play.

747
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 7: I wanted to go driving around in my car and

748
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 7: just be say. You know, it was like work to me.

749
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 7: If I had to do it more than three or

750
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 7: four times, you know, I was a brad so but

751
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 7: with baby Face it was all about the feeling. It

752
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 7: wasn't about necessarily the technicalities of it.

753
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 5: But with Narada Michael Walden, it.

754
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 7: Was all about the technicalities and the notes and they

755
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 7: can't be sharp and they can't and the feelings, so

756
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 7: you got to have both.

757
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,439
Speaker 5: So I think Narada really I had the most fun

758
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,760
Speaker 5: working with him because I worked.

759
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 7: He made me work and I and I didn't warm

760
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 7: up really and to this day, I don't warm up

761
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 7: until hours after I start singing. So you have to

762
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 7: keep singing, you know that. You know I had to

763
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 7: learn that about myself too. But Narda was the best

764
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 7: heat I had the most nurturing working relationship.

765
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: I think with Narda, Okay, can I ask a question?

766
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: Is because you know, we've been doing the show for

767
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:28,240
Speaker 2: five years and literally no singer or at least singer

768
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 2: singers has given me the dream answer that I want

769
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 2: to hear. It's like, yes, you know, before I do

770
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 2: a song, I sit and do me me met me

771
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 2: like three hours and you drink all this tea and

772
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: like everyone basically says, hey, man, I showed up, I

773
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: sang it, and then I went home. So is the

774
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:52,719
Speaker 2: idea of warming up just a myth that non singers

775
00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 2: like myself think that an artist has to go through

776
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: to do their craft, or like even for you Fante,

777
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 2: like even when you're doing your records, Like I think, it.

778
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 4: Just depends on the song. I think if it's you know,

779
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 4: if it's something where because I've had takes where you know,

780
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 4: you'll write something and then sing it and I'm like, Okay,

781
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 4: this sounds cool, but I can do it better, and

782
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 4: then you'll come back and do it quote unquote better.

783
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 4: But there's just there may be just some vulnerability in

784
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,959
Speaker 4: the first take because you're just now learning the song,

785
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, and you don't know it

786
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 4: know it versus singing it when you know it. It

787
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 4: may you know, it just may not fit the song.

788
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:31,759
Speaker 4: If the song you're singing has to have a hint

789
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 4: of vulnerability or uncertainty, if that's the character you're playing

790
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 4: quote unquote, then the first take generally for me, you know,

791
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 4: those early takes, that's kind of where the magic is.

792
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,319
Speaker 4: Once you get to go back to what TeV And said.

793
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 4: Once you get like three four times, at that point

794
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 4: you're just just kind of regurgitating the same things. It's

795
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 4: kind of like a rehearsal at that point, and the

796
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 4: magic is lost in my experience.

797
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: Once you overdo it and keep going doing it.

798
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you kind of sing the life out of it,

799
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:01,600
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. So a lot of times

800
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 4: the first ones, those are the ones, if they may

801
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 4: not be the most technically great, they are the ones

802
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 4: that are the most honest and may fit the song better.

803
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 4: Is that kind of for you, TeV? And is that

804
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 4: the same thing? What's similar to?

805
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 5: Yeah?

806
00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 7: I think you are right on that, and I think

807
00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 7: it depicts on the song and actually the singer also,

808
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 7: every singer has this whole different way of approaching the

809
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 7: song and approaching performances.

810
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 5: So some singers can.

811
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 7: Walk into the studio and give a great performance without

812
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 7: you can form it up, you know what I mean.

813
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 5: There are singers that can do that. There's a lot

814
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 5: of excuse me, there are a lot of songs that

815
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,280
Speaker 5: Aretha did that. She did warm up, She just walked

816
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,840
Speaker 5: in and she just did some people, you know what

817
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 5: I'm saying.

818
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: She won't go more than two takes, like that's it,

819
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: And I don't think.

820
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 7: I think that's the way it's always been that she

821
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,920
Speaker 7: can do that, you know, Uh, some singers can't do that,

822
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 7: and she can deliver all the things that need to

823
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 7: be in the song in those two takes.

824
00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 5: So, but it's definitely those first takes.

825
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 7: Think, and I think if you ask a movie director also, uh,

826
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 7: like Frank Sinatra didn't like to doing more than one

827
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 7: take on the scene. He liked to just do it,

828
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 7: wouldn't take because he felt like that was the most

829
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 7: natural and the most real.

830
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 5: Word. He felt like if you did it over and

831
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 5: over again, it would lose his magic. Like you said, so,

832
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 5: I agree.

833
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:23,399
Speaker 2: Your first album, which is the spelling of your name,

834
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: was that supposed to be an acronym for something.

835
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: T E V I Or were you just spelling it?

836
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: Or first of all, what you say, I made up.

837
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: I made up.

838
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 4: Transmitting every vocal immaculately nigga. Twitter, it was like it

839
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 4: was somebody. It was on Twitter. This was like Twitter,

840
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: like years ago. I think it was when you know,

841
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 4: I think somebody they tried to like come for you

842
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 4: something on Twitter and everybody was just like, nah, fuck

843
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: that that's seven Campbell, And that was one of the

844
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 4: things I fust It went on from I know what.

845
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 5: You're talking about.

846
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, we had your back though, bro, like we had

847
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,720
Speaker 4: your back Twitter.

848
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,879
Speaker 10: Yes, yes, I was like, oh it was really sad.

849
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 5: I love it.

850
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 2: I love sorry, Fante, let me go, let me go

851
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,719
Speaker 2: to the other side, because let me go to the

852
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: other side because I believe you two were kind of

853
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: the same age.

854
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 4: Or yeah, I'm seventy eight, so yeah we right, yeah, okay,

855
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 4: so what was it.

856
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 5: Like seventy eight, I'm seventy six, so you you are.

857
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 4: I am elder man man ship in seventh grade man.

858
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: So Fante, as a listener, did that make an impression

859
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 2: on you to see someone your age doing that the

860
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 2: same way that I saw the Jackson five or Janet Like,

861
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:59,840
Speaker 2: oh kids, my age, you know that.

862
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 4: Nah, that's exactly what it was. Yeah, even though like

863
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 4: again we were only with two years apart. He was older,

864
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 4: but it definitely felt like, uh, you know he felt

865
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:10,760
Speaker 4: tell me him. It felt like one of the homies

866
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 4: like I went to school with, or like that homie

867
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: that like sing in church and you just know, Okay,

868
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 4: that's a singing homie and like he gonna win every

869
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 4: time show, you know what I mean. Like it was

870
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,160
Speaker 4: it was like that, It's like he got singing homie.

871
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: They're just like gonna buy everybody in the talent show

872
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,160
Speaker 4: and that's what it is. So yeah, the first album, man,

873
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 4: that was something that uh, it definitely felt like it

874
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 4: was And I always talk about this for songwriters, it

875
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 4: is very hard to write for kids, you know what

876
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 4: I'm saying, because you have to write something that's age

877
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 4: appropriate but also have something that you know adults can

878
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 4: jam to, you know, record like a Dial in my

879
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 4: Heart or Around and Round or can we Talk? I

880
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 4: mean those are really hard songs to pull off, and

881
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 4: I don't think people understand how hard that shit is.

882
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: What about us break it down?

883
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 11: Yeah, So that one that was the one like in

884
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 11: home room, like because they were playing on the radio

885
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 11: like they woul playing at Joan the radio and it

886
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 11: was almost like, oh man, that is that Tavin Campbell joint?

887
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 4: And so in home room we were talking about, yo,

888
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 4: you hear the joint? Do you have to school like

889
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 4: some homework?

890
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 3: Like what yes? Are you getting? Yes? I am yes, but.

891
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 4: But I while we're here while were on the first album,

892
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: I have to say my favorite one, like my probably

893
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 4: like my favorite. If I had to peat one, let

894
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 4: it be the same as me. Come on, man, along

895
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 4: with you, dude, like alone with you, what we talk about.

896
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: So my question for you on that one, bro.

897
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 4: So I did not know. I actually lost a bet

898
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 4: to this all over this to a friend like years ago,

899
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:50,160
Speaker 4: like she she wanted back, here's this thing. Yeah, she

900
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 4: totally won. So I did not know. I had the

901
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 4: album Casey and Joe George seeing backs on that the

902
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 4: INSTI in the credits. Now back to credit.

903
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 5: Okay, well then you're right.

904
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 4: I don't know if you have memories back.

905
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,280
Speaker 5: Yeah. They did all the demos for all those songs,

906
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 5: so all the that I'll be produced.

907
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:16,920
Speaker 7: Casey and Chose Will did all those demos, which is

908
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 7: why I'm singing all those lick, all those ran That's

909
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 7: not me.

910
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 5: I'm doing whatever they did on the demo.

911
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: Do you still have those demos?

912
00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I wish I could.

913
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: Always I wish I did.

914
00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe Al has them.

915
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 8: He got all the tapes. I thought I thought he

916
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 8: was gonna say, just asked me to. I always thought

917
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 8: that was a soundtrack, John, but I didn't know that

918
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 8: was on.

919
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:46,400
Speaker 5: It was on Boys in the Hood that they decided

920
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 5: to put it in.

921
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: On the album.

922
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 7: I thought that was interesting what you said, though, because

923
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 7: Warner Brothers didn't care about that. They they what they

924
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 7: had was a kid that could that had to And

925
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 7: I realize it now, I didn't realize it back.

926
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 5: It Uh, that.

927
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 7: Had this voice that was a mature voice that they

928
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 7: could sell to a whole bunch of adults. And I

929
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 7: was actually and I think it's actually kind of cool

930
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 7: that I was being used as like abuse, like all

931
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 7: these love songs that Jesus got Babyface and and.

932
00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 4: Songs.

933
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,720
Speaker 7: No, but he was going through stuff with his wife

934
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,840
Speaker 7: and at the time, And so I realized now that

935
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,479
Speaker 7: they were writing and I was singing their.

936
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: Expert channeling through you.

937
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 7: Wow.

938
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 5: Yes, because I didn't know anybody any think about that stuff.

939
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 5: Come on, tell me what you love to do.

940
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 8: And and then that knowing that we were using it

941
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 8: to make out with.

942
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 3: It on mixtapes.

943
00:45:50,120 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 4: You know, Listen along with You was a staple on

944
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 4: my Slow Jam mixtape. Man, listen that record will never

945
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 4: really like your work with Alba Man. I gotta say,

946
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,279
Speaker 4: like that one Goodbye like I love love that song.

947
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 5: Man, I love that stuff too. I think he did

948
00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 5: a great job.

949
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 2: Like on the first album, it had to be five

950
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: or six singles, correct, Yeah, I tell me what you

951
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 2: want to do?

952
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 5: Uh?

953
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: Round and round?

954
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 4: Confused? Gotused one song?

955
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 2: Like, there's at least six singles off this joint. And

956
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: so who was the ringleader that said Okay, I'm like,

957
00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 2: I'm what I say goes as far as like your head,

958
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 2: is it Benny that's driving the wheels?

959
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 3: Excuse me?

960
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 5: I really was.

961
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 7: No, I'm telling you the truth. I mean, Bennie Medeena

962
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 7: was was the Yeah, I mean I'm the one that

963
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 7: got to choose the songs. Yeah, they worked me, they

964
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,399
Speaker 7: sent me everywhere. So yeah, Warner Brothers was responsible for.

965
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: On the other side of that question, are there any

966
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: notable songs that were submitted to you that you passed

967
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: on that someone else took and did something?

968
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 7: Oh?

969
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 5: No, I can't. I can't.

970
00:47:13,560 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 7: No, you took not any famous, not anything that you No, No,

971
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 7: I take the hits.

972
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: I gotta are you? Are you familiar with the Usher story.

973
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 5: With I think that's actually a true story.

974
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 7: I think that I think that's in l a read's book.

975
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 7: From my understanding, I think la Reid wanted Sure to

976
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 7: have can We Talk? But he wanted me to have

977
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 7: can we Talk? And uh, but I had it. You know,

978
00:47:49,360 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 7: I don't even listen. Sure, I love him. I actually

979
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 7: just did a gig with him, okay in Atlanta. Yeah,

980
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:00,240
Speaker 7: Tyler Perry, so we should.

981
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 5: At the save stage. I love USh, I always have

982
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:03,359
Speaker 5: loved USh.

983
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 3: Birth the well that was not why that was?

984
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 5: It was you? That was?

985
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 6: That was my wine you started. It's a cool and

986
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 6: it's a luminous over here.

987
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,919
Speaker 7: No, but I don't believe that can we can we talk?

988
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 7: First of all, it's a great so I'm not saying

989
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 7: that it's so well written. And I said this on

990
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 7: something else somebody asked me about it. I could never

991
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:37,239
Speaker 7: I Got It Bad as one of my favorite R

992
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:40,240
Speaker 7: and b mm hmmm ballads.

993
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 5: It always has been.

994
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 7: I could never sing I Got It Bad like Usher,

995
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 7: And I don't believe USh you could sing?

996
00:48:46,680 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 5: Can we talk like I could?

997
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:48,799
Speaker 3: You know as you got it bad?

998
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: But that's okay.

999
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 3: I know you ain't being shady.

1000
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 7: No, it's it's yeah, you got it bad, you got

1001
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,479
Speaker 7: it bad, You got it you got it bad?

1002
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: No, I know I.

1003
00:48:57,560 --> 00:49:01,080
Speaker 7: Wasn't being shaked. I do have a song called there

1004
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:05,040
Speaker 7: you Go. No, I swear to God, no, no, that

1005
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 7: son sucks. No, there's nothing compair to know you got

1006
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 7: it bad. But that was my favorite and it still

1007
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 7: is one of my favorite RMB songs about that's when

1008
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 7: I hear it, i'd be like, okay, yeah, no, no, no,

1009
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,600
Speaker 7: but anyway, yeah, And I read the thing he said

1010
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 7: about the can't We No, it was my song.

1011
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 5: Let me have it, I mean, you know, let me

1012
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 5: have my song. It's my song.

1013
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:25,879
Speaker 3: That was your song, your song.

1014
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's my song. I'm blessed to have it. It's

1015
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:33,800
Speaker 7: a it's an amazing song. It it's crazy, it's crazy,

1016
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 7: it's crazy. It's a beautiful song. And I love it,

1017
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 7: you know, And I love that it's mine. And I

1018
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 7: didn't used to be like this. I used to be like, oh,

1019
00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 7: I don't want to hear it, But now I listen

1020
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 7: to it. I actually will listen to you like, you

1021
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 7: know what. That's a good thing. I'm actually embracing my

1022
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 7: my art, you know. So I'm very very blessing on

1023
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 7: it to have that song in my work.

1024
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 4: Question regarding your work with not to Michael Walton because

1025
00:50:01,160 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 4: two of the records that I really loved on I'm

1026
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,439
Speaker 4: Ready was Don't Say good Bye Girl and Brown Eye Girl.

1027
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 4: Like you have any memories of like recording those two?

1028
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: I really, I really love those records.

1029
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 5: Oh thank you. I co wrote bl Hey, you know

1030
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:19,560
Speaker 5: Nardi is it?

1031
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,319
Speaker 7: I remember he likes to sit down and just start

1032
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 7: playing on the piano and he would just he'd just say,

1033
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 7: start saying whatever comes to mind, Just start saying. That's

1034
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 7: how he came up with told me which one me

1035
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 7: to do, That's how we came up with Brown Eye Girl.

1036
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:34,399
Speaker 7: Don't Say Goodbye Girl was a song that he had

1037
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:36,919
Speaker 7: written already. Though I loved Don't Say Goodbye Girl.

1038
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 4: That's the one for Yeah, I love that song.

1039
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 7: That's one of my favorite of my vocal performances. You know,

1040
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 7: because that's what I mean.

1041
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 5: He works. He worked me, man, like I had to

1042
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:47,720
Speaker 5: work to get those notes.

1043
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:48,719
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I didn't hear it.

1044
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 5: Yeah, And there's no.

1045
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 7: Kind of there's no sort of alterations or anything on that.

1046
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 7: That's all me getting that out. Like he do it again,

1047
00:50:57,400 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 7: do it again? He would stop, he would get your

1048
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,359
Speaker 7: break it again, do it again again and coffee. That's

1049
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 7: how I got to think to coffee.

1050
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:09,720
Speaker 10: But anyway, wait, let me ask you because the Narda

1051
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 10: Michael that I know because because of his him being

1052
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 10: Buddhist and everything, is he like that?

1053
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: Is he like that in the studio or visus.

1054
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:27,800
Speaker 5: Like coming down and give me some feeling? Yes, and

1055
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 5: he gets all the incense and everywhere. Yeah, that's wow.

1056
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: I think it's the ultimate Jedi mind trick because I

1057
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 1: know there's a there's another person who's a Buddhist in

1058
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 1: my life and she has the ability. She'll start here,

1059
00:51:45,320 --> 00:51:46,440
Speaker 1: but somehow she'll.

1060
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: Calm me down and she'll talk very low and then

1061
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: the next thing I know, and I realized that's a

1062
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 2: Jedi mind trick. So yeah, I always wanted to know

1063
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 2: with Narada, especially that the fact that Narda has what

1064
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 2: I call going into the lines, then like you have

1065
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: to have a level of social wisdom if you're producing

1066
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:14,479
Speaker 2: a Refa and Whitney Houston and like, you know, his

1067
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 2: his entire canon of people that he's produced, singer singer,

1068
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 2: So I know that he has to have some sort

1069
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 2: of Jedi mind trick that gets you guys to trust him.

1070
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: And I always wanted to know what that.

1071
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 5: Was like, it's his spirit, you know what. You just

1072
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 5: described his whole.

1073
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 7: So when you walk to stew that's the that's the

1074
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 7: vibe that you get, you know, so you don't mind working,

1075
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 7: but you know what it's It was the coffee for me,

1076
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 7: and it was just him being and he would record

1077
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 7: all the sessions, so I knew the Karen was right

1078
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 7: on me.

1079
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 5: So I would literally try to sound my best, you know.

1080
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 4: Oh he would like like video like library, you.

1081
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 7: Got library, don't say nothing now, So I'm sure he

1082
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 7: did with that way.

1083
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 5: I'm sure he did.

1084
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: Damn. We definitely give on the shoe.

1085
00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 5: Man, you gotta get out.

1086
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 7: She has some great stories. But he creates an atmosphere

1087
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 7: and it's due to Tarpan Studios.

1088
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 5: It really helps.

1089
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 7: Man, when you walk into that atmosphere, you ready to work,

1090
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,959
Speaker 7: and he makes you believe that you can do it better.

1091
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 5: You can do it better, do all more time, you

1092
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 5: can do it better? And did you do it?

1093
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 2: Like, at what point in your career as far as

1094
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 2: your your albums are concerned, where you feel as though

1095
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 2: as an artist you have ideas that you want to

1096
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: express and production that you want and a certain sound

1097
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 2: that you want, like, are are they letting you get

1098
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 2: a word in edge wise or is it still like

1099
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 2: here work with this person, here with that person?

1100
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,120
Speaker 7: And I had no interest in anything in that sort.

1101
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 7: I was too busy trying to figure out life. Yeah,

1102
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:02,759
Speaker 7: and I had no time to figure out life because

1103
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:04,799
Speaker 7: I was working, so I didn't care all.

1104
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,319
Speaker 5: You know. I got to choose the songs. That's it.

1105
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 7: I wouldn't sing anything that I didn't like that no

1106
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,319
Speaker 7: one made me sing anything I didn't like. I had

1107
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 7: to last digs on the songs. But as far as

1108
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 7: trying to say something or do it please, no, I

1109
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 7: didn't think of anything.

1110
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: I mean, besides like the radio shows where they would

1111
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,359
Speaker 2: do like a summer jams or powerhouse or you come

1112
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: and just do your two joints, Like did you ever

1113
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 2: have an actual touring experience at least similar to the

1114
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 2: one like when you did Round and Round on our

1115
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 2: Sinio Princess band, What's your backup?

1116
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: And that shit was perfect to me?

1117
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 2: But like, how often did you really get to go

1118
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 2: out on the road with a band and tour and

1119
00:54:55,520 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: that sort of thing? Did that happen at all? Was

1120
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 2: just like spot dates?

1121
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, I know that that didn't happen a lot. So

1122
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 7: my mom didn't didn't allow a lot of that stuff.

1123
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,160
Speaker 5: She because I was already traveling doing.

1124
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: You have an option to say no, I don't want

1125
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: to tour, because I would figure, like in the nineties,

1126
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: you got a tour, right, because.

1127
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 3: Mama had that option.

1128
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,239
Speaker 7: My mom was she didn't play. I went on one

1129
00:55:19,320 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 7: tour with Boys to Man and Babyface. I opened up

1130
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 7: for that tour and that was for I think three weeks,

1131
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 7: and that was on.

1132
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 5: My Christmas break, and that's it. My mom didn't allow.

1133
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 7: But I was working so much already, I don't that's why.

1134
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 7: I think that's probably why she didn't allow it. I

1135
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 7: was always traveling promoting the album.

1136
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,720
Speaker 6: But that's the money, right, Touring is like the money

1137
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 6: though really right?

1138
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:46,560
Speaker 5: Oh okay, it wasn't the same as it was now.

1139
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,120
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think I mean it.

1140
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 7: No, I can't think of Vidy and plus I was

1141
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 7: one of the only kids doing it.

1142
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 5: But I think the boy groups went on tour, so

1143
00:55:57,480 --> 00:55:59,319
Speaker 5: maybe like the New Kids on the Blox.

1144
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 7: And New Addition, they probably went onto it.

1145
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:04,759
Speaker 1: But so it would have been hard to pair you

1146
00:56:04,840 --> 00:56:05,400
Speaker 1: with someone.

1147
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:10,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, that. Yeah, but iway was one of that because.

1148
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:13,240
Speaker 1: With Tracy Spencer and Brandy, like Spencer would.

1149
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: Have been good yeah, Marian or something.

1150
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 5: Oh wow, that's pretty cool thought.

1151
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,479
Speaker 2: Someone told me that she does like, uh, like spot

1152
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 2: commercials where like I mean, you don't know that that's

1153
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,759
Speaker 2: the mom in the supermarket or that sort of thing.

1154
00:56:30,440 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: I believe that that's like her lane, Like she's done.

1155
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 3: A bunch of we did assume they all knew each other,

1156
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:37,479
Speaker 3: right a mirror.

1157
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 8: I'm like, so timing you knew Tracy, right, Yeah, But

1158
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 8: I really think that my mom.

1159
00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:46,399
Speaker 7: I know, my mom was very protective with me when

1160
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 7: I was When I was a kid in the business,

1161
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 7: she didn't you can ask anybody, you know, she didn't.

1162
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,760
Speaker 5: She was very protective. So I was that she couldn't

1163
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 5: stop me from being a.

1164
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:02,240
Speaker 7: Pest, but when it came to like like just working

1165
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,120
Speaker 7: and she had to make sure who was gonna be

1166
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 7: around me. And I had these people from Warner Broths,

1167
00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 7: Karen Baker and Jean Shelton. It was always the ones

1168
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,239
Speaker 7: that would travel with me. When she was with me,

1169
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,560
Speaker 7: you know, she was very protective for me. So I

1170
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 7: think that's probably a lot of the reasons why I

1171
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 7: didn't go out on tour, I.

1172
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 3: Would explain no hip hop collaborations.

1173
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 2: I got questions about Back to the World because to me,

1174
00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 2: that was such a shift, at least working with the

1175
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: hit Man and whatnot. Can you talk about that experience with.

1176
00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 5: Working actually the world.

1177
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a confusing time of my life because

1178
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 7: I didn't really understand what was going on with the

1179
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:46,120
Speaker 7: whole Warner brother situation. I didn't understand why why Back

1180
00:57:46,160 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 7: to the World wasn't It was sort of like they

1181
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 7: sort of like just forgot about me.

1182
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: But it's like you had all the pieces in place,

1183
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 2: at least I know, Chucky did stuff on it, and.

1184
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: Like the hit Man Stevie j I don't you know.

1185
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: And I don't know what Puff's role is as far

1186
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: as like.

1187
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 5: He was there, I'm not gonna he was.

1188
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 7: He was there, was there, and Puffy's great, we both scorpios,

1189
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 7: and he was there and then and you know, he

1190
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,240
Speaker 7: wasn't there, and then he was there again.

1191
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:18,480
Speaker 5: So let's just put it that way. But that wasn't

1192
00:58:18,680 --> 00:58:19,439
Speaker 5: that wasn't it.

1193
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 7: It was there was just a shift in the whole

1194
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 7: Warner Brothers makeup. So Bo Austin Hanks, Van ray Ereris,

1195
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:30,240
Speaker 7: all those guys left left. Yeah, Ditri was not on

1196
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 7: Black music anymore. It wasn't no me anymore. It was

1197
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 7: on some other thing. And so, I mean, and I

1198
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 7: didn't understand it at the time. Understand it now it's

1199
00:58:39,040 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 7: a business, but at the time I did not understand it.

1200
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:44,520
Speaker 7: So that was sort of a weird time for me.

1201
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 7: And so I showed up at the photo session for

1202
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 7: that album with twists.

1203
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:51,240
Speaker 5: And twists and they were like, what the hell did

1204
00:58:51,280 --> 00:58:51,760
Speaker 5: you do?

1205
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:54,520
Speaker 7: I was like, yeah, I got twist. Yeah, just just rebelling,

1206
00:58:54,600 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 7: you know, being mad. So yeah, that was that was

1207
00:58:58,280 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 7: not a good.

1208
00:58:58,720 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 5: Time for me.

1209
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 4: My favorite record on that album was the I don't

1210
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 4: know if it was a single, but could it be,

1211
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 4: like that's still thank you?

1212
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 5: That's the one record too.

1213
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 4: Do you remember recording you have any memories of it

1214
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 4: with work?

1215
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 7: Remember its being in the studio with resigned because he

1216
00:59:16,280 --> 00:59:18,120
Speaker 7: wrote all that stuff, He wrote all this stuff.

1217
00:59:20,040 --> 00:59:22,320
Speaker 1: Did you work with Keith Crouch as well or he.

1218
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:24,840
Speaker 5: Was on that album?

1219
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: Jazz okay jazz?

1220
00:59:27,360 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 5: Yes, it was a great It was fun recording it.

1221
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 5: I had a great time recording the album. It was just.

1222
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:36,680
Speaker 7: When they were trying to prepare him for the release

1223
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 7: of the album. I was trying to rebel against one

1224
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 7: and brother.

1225
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:45,360
Speaker 2: In hindsight, did you feel as though like you just

1226
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: wanted to break because you've basically been doing this since

1227
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 2: you were twelve, like without any breaks or whatsoever.

1228
00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:55,680
Speaker 5: Maybe that's what it was subconsciously, Maybe I wanted to break.

1229
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:56,280
Speaker 5: I don't know.

1230
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:00,520
Speaker 2: Maybe that's because there were three years between Ready and

1231
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:03,200
Speaker 2: Back to the World, Like, what was what we were you.

1232
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: Doing in that? What was that?

1233
01:00:08,680 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 3: I love? It ain't nothing wrong with I had.

1234
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 7: I graduated high school in ninety five, okay, and I

1235
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 7: think we started probably recordingated ninety six. I'm Ready came

1236
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:25,840
Speaker 7: out in ninety three, yeah, right, so.

1237
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 4: Oh and then we got the Goofy movie that was

1238
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 4: ninety five, and I.

1239
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 7: Did a lot of stuff in between us, a lot

1240
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:31,040
Speaker 7: of soundtracks and a lot of stuff I did it

1241
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:31,480
Speaker 7: between that.

1242
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: Hey, Joe, we're forgetting something. We're forgetting something. What is it? Dude?

1243
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: Can you please talk about Black Men United? Yeah? Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1244
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,720
Speaker 4: We would have staled ourselves.

1245
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:47,439
Speaker 2: There was always that one moment when the interviews over,

1246
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:51,400
Speaker 2: We're kicking ourselves because we forgot to ask something, and

1247
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,720
Speaker 2: I was like, I know we're forgetting something.

1248
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:54,200
Speaker 5: You know.

1249
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,920
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, yeah he's on the first you sunk leadoff

1250
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,320
Speaker 4: or no, let's go.

1251
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 12: Man, Yeah you would know. I mean yeah, I just

1252
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 12: remember the video shoot again being the past, and I

1253
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 12: showed up at the video shoot. I think I got

1254
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 12: into the argument with somebody and I left the video shoot.

1255
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 12: That's why you see me in the booth on the

1256
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 12: video by myself, not with everybody else.

1257
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,160
Speaker 5: I know there's another accident after the fact, yep. But

1258
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:23,840
Speaker 5: yeah it was bad.

1259
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,720
Speaker 3: How old were you? How old town?

1260
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 5: How were you? I don't know what was that?

1261
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: Well you were? It came out in ninety five.

1262
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 5: Four, it was eighteen nineteen. Such a bread. That was

1263
01:01:39,080 --> 01:01:39,640
Speaker 5: such a bread.

1264
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 7: But that's a great song. That's a great song. I

1265
01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 7: liked the live performance better than I liked the record.

1266
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 7: But the live performance were all on stage.

1267
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,640
Speaker 1: So you guys did at the American Music Awards, And

1268
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: did you do it on our Sinio as well?

1269
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 5: I don't think so.

1270
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: I remember the American Music Awards.

1271
01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I could be wrong about our Senior though.

1272
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:03,680
Speaker 1: But okay, well I know I've seen it once.

1273
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 2: So it was the thing where they just sort of

1274
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 2: gathered all the people on that song at different places

1275
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 2: and they did their parts.

1276
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: And it wasn't like I left.

1277
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 5: Yeah I was. I was something else.

1278
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: I left.

1279
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:19,080
Speaker 5: I got into with somebody because I was late, and

1280
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 5: I just left.

1281
01:02:20,120 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 6: You got into it with somebody because you was late,

1282
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 6: You got it?

1283
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was.

1284
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: It wasn't so I was right. Oh, I'm playing D.

1285
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:34,920
Speaker 1: I'm playing D. Don't don't kick man.

1286
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 8: But somewhere there's that elder who's been watching you from

1287
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 8: the jump and they're like, yeah, that stage, it's Heaven's life.

1288
01:02:40,440 --> 01:02:42,520
Speaker 3: Wasn't my favorite. He was a little bit of an asshole.

1289
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:46,520
Speaker 5: There's somewhere I had angels watching over me. I'm telling

1290
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 5: you that much.

1291
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: But I was.

1292
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:49,439
Speaker 5: I was a kid.

1293
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 7: I had to I had a lot of authority. So yeah,

1294
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 7: you know when you give kids to authority sometimes, So wait.

1295
01:02:58,840 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 3: To that question.

1296
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 8: It's interesting because you were you were one of the

1297
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,840
Speaker 8: first of an era in that way. So do do

1298
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 8: the other young guys who kind of followed in your footsteps?

1299
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 8: Does anybody ever go do you know what?

1300
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 3: Let me call Tevin. I know he been through this.

1301
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,840
Speaker 5: I hope they don't. I don't have anything.

1302
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:17,040
Speaker 3: You ain't got nothing for him.

1303
01:03:17,480 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 5: I have nothing for you have to sort of go

1304
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 5: through life, your whole life, and learn.

1305
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 1: From unless I'm under a rock somewhere, it's not like.

1306
01:03:26,200 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 5: You know.

1307
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: Of course you came right right before social media was.

1308
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 5: Even the thing.

1309
01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:34,120
Speaker 3: Lucky for you.

1310
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, thank god. I lucky for my childhood on social media.

1311
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, it's crazy, you know, the

1312
01:03:42,800 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 7: nineties and stuff that we did back in the night.

1313
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 1: But anyway, sorry, all right, I got to ask, did

1314
01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:47,840
Speaker 1: you crash your car or something?

1315
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 5: Oh? Yeah, I crashed it plenty times. Me me can

1316
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:53,680
Speaker 5: crash several cars.

1317
01:03:54,520 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: Oh wow, what was your first car? Since you were

1318
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:58,959
Speaker 1: a car person, what was your car fleet?

1319
01:03:59,160 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 7: Like?

1320
01:03:59,440 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: What was your scars?

1321
01:04:02,240 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 8: Like?

1322
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 5: What was my first car?

1323
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you love them so much too.

1324
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:10,680
Speaker 5: I only had a couple of cars. It was the

1325
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 5: big Long Mercedings.

1326
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,800
Speaker 3: Oh, the West African Join the S five.

1327
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:22,320
Speaker 5: Hundred back then it was ninety two after Long Grade.

1328
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and.

1329
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 3: We call them Nigerian Benzies.

1330
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're coming to America, America, Joff Joe fo All right,

1331
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:37,480
Speaker 2: my god, y'all.

1332
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 5: Will bringing back some crazy memories right now.

1333
01:04:40,040 --> 01:04:47,280
Speaker 7: Turned myself riding around that John, I did some drunk

1334
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 7: driving and all that stuff, like I did bad things.

1335
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 7: I did bad crash.

1336
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:53,479
Speaker 3: They are so lucky.

1337
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: Oh they I'm only asking because like I just generally

1338
01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:01,200
Speaker 2: never just it wasn't like you. I don't think that

1339
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 2: you were in that Britney Spears Lane. Were sort of like, man,

1340
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 2: I don't think he's gonna make it.

1341
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: He came sort of thing.

1342
01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, it wasn't like train wreck. I don't remember it.

1343
01:05:11,520 --> 01:05:12,240
Speaker 5: Well, she's white.

1344
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 7: When you when you were white and in the business,

1345
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:17,960
Speaker 7: I didn't have to worry about paparazzi and stuff like that.

1346
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:21,360
Speaker 5: That's not something that I don't know how. I'm not

1347
01:05:21,400 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 5: trying to be racist.

1348
01:05:22,240 --> 01:05:24,760
Speaker 2: Or anything like that, but this is the one benefits

1349
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 2: where beings versus white.

1350
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, don't worry.

1351
01:05:32,440 --> 01:05:34,800
Speaker 1: Damn Steve, you're you're really on the twelve four right now.

1352
01:05:34,960 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the one they went to the grocery store. Listen,

1353
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 3: go ahead.

1354
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna say this is probably the rare

1355
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:49,320
Speaker 2: situation where being black benefits you, and the fact that

1356
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,240
Speaker 2: if you were white, you will probably have been on

1357
01:05:54,360 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 2: the globes whatnot as far as the mentor is concerned, Like,

1358
01:06:04,480 --> 01:06:09,040
Speaker 2: who would you say, was there anyone that could get

1359
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: through to you, like as far as being a mentor

1360
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:14,320
Speaker 2: a quincy figure or whatever.

1361
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 5: At that time though.

1362
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 3: Listening to Miss Rond or your mama, yep.

1363
01:06:25,040 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 5: And then when I didn't, I fell on my ass

1364
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 5: hard too, So my mom was pretty much on a

1365
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:30,280
Speaker 5: person like getch to me.

1366
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,920
Speaker 2: That's kind of the lesson that I'm learning now, Like

1367
01:06:34,200 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 2: oftentimes the universe of life will present a situation to

1368
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 2: you in which you can either heed the call or continuous,

1369
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,040
Speaker 2: you know, sort of be hard headed. And oftentimes people

1370
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 2: only learn the lessons when they hit.

1371
01:06:49,160 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 1: A rock rock rock bottom.

1372
01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,920
Speaker 8: And it felt like the Hairspray period of time too,

1373
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:54,720
Speaker 8: was a turnaround, Like I felt like Hairspray was a

1374
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 8: whole lifting, like it was a.

1375
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:57,040
Speaker 1: Well I had.

1376
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 8: I have.

1377
01:06:57,560 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 7: I've had many turnarounds, but most of them I didn't

1378
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 7: listen And too, why didn't pay attention.

1379
01:07:01,800 --> 01:07:06,760
Speaker 1: To I mean, you see what's happening with mainly with

1380
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:07,959
Speaker 1: younger rappers or whatever.

1381
01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,040
Speaker 2: But I mean, first of all, do you think that

1382
01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: you're even in a space in life from which you

1383
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,840
Speaker 2: could actually like mentor someone to be like yo, like.

1384
01:07:17,960 --> 01:07:20,880
Speaker 5: I was you in the situation, And nah, I don't

1385
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 5: really believe in that.

1386
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 7: I really don't because you everybody's excuse me. Life is different, everybody,

1387
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 7: every experience is different. And if you ask me my

1388
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 7: advice on something, I'll give it to you. But I

1389
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 7: don't believe in mentoring. I never believed in that.

1390
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 10: I know, I know.

1391
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,520
Speaker 5: That's where I just don't believe in it. I just

1392
01:07:39,560 --> 01:07:40,000
Speaker 5: don't believe.

1393
01:07:40,040 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 8: It's just fascinating because you come from so many mentors

1394
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 8: in a way, so people perceive mentors.

1395
01:07:45,080 --> 01:07:47,320
Speaker 7: Well even their words that the even advice that I

1396
01:07:47,400 --> 01:07:50,160
Speaker 7: got from them didn't work. Until you have to understand

1397
01:07:50,600 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 7: life in your own way. I don't care what advice

1398
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 7: someone gives you, you know, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1399
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 7: you have to go through life in.

1400
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 5: Your own way and understand stuff your own way. That's

1401
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 5: what I realized.

1402
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,240
Speaker 1: I don't know, you gotta learn, You got to learn

1403
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 1: on your own.

1404
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, there are things that I remember my

1405
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:09,160
Speaker 5: great aunt saying when I was little.

1406
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:10,440
Speaker 1: You know, you know.

1407
01:08:11,920 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 7: When I used to talk back to my mom, she

1408
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 7: used to say, and I used to tell her what

1409
01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 7: she annoys me. She used to say that there were

1410
01:08:19,320 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 7: things after you died, there are worst things that that

1411
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 7: could happen to you. If you talk to you, mom,

1412
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:26,360
Speaker 7: I'll never forget that. Like she's saying, you're gonna burn

1413
01:08:26,400 --> 01:08:27,679
Speaker 7: in hell, and you keep talking.

1414
01:08:27,479 --> 01:08:32,800
Speaker 3: To you back to your words, I'm like, you ain't

1415
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 3: get no whoopings. That's what that was.

1416
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,960
Speaker 4: Like, Little things like that, You're the last album it was.

1417
01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 4: It was self titled, but I remember reading a review

1418
01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 4: of that one, and I think the original title was Dandylion,

1419
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 4: So was that the title album? Probably?

1420
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 1: Probably?

1421
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 4: Another way I really loved that song. Like another way

1422
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 4: was I thought that was really gonna go up. You

1423
01:08:59,240 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, I don't.

1424
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,160
Speaker 5: I don't like I don't like it at all.

1425
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:02,800
Speaker 1: I I.

1426
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 5: Don't hate it.

1427
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 7: But it was a point in my life where I

1428
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 7: did not care about the album. I didn't care about

1429
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 7: any I did not care about that. I didn't care

1430
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 7: about that. I didn't care about that. There's a couple

1431
01:09:16,600 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 7: of songs that I like, but that whole period was

1432
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:21,880
Speaker 7: just just confusion.

1433
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 1: Damn. I got a question about the Cocoa song.

1434
01:09:26,360 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 5: Oh, that's a lovely song. I liked that song. I

1435
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 5: like that.

1436
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 2: I was going to say I went to school with

1437
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 2: one of the songwriters on that song. But did you like,

1438
01:09:36,280 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: did Susan Charles just submit that song to you or I.

1439
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:43,240
Speaker 5: Don't remember how it happened. I mean I remember going

1440
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:47,080
Speaker 5: down to Darryl Simmons studio and we recorded it being

1441
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 5: me and Coco okay, and it was a lot of fun.

1442
01:09:51,840 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 5: But I don't remember how I was submitted. I'm shoot

1443
01:09:55,040 --> 01:09:57,680
Speaker 5: submitted through Warner Brothers or something like that. But it's

1444
01:09:57,680 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 5: a beautiful song. I love that song.

1445
01:09:59,560 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, Susette is the young lady. I went to school

1446
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: with her in elementary.

1447
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 2: But she was the young lady who replaced Vanessa Williams

1448
01:10:10,360 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 2: when she had to give.

1449
01:10:11,240 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 1: Up a crown for Miss America.

1450
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Oh first place was Miss Jersey, who was

1451
01:10:16,200 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 2: also a black woman.

1452
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:20,320
Speaker 3: Dang untold stories.

1453
01:10:20,439 --> 01:10:23,200
Speaker 1: Wow she was. She was best friends with my sister

1454
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:25,320
Speaker 1: doing so, you know, I kind of grew up with

1455
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:28,559
Speaker 1: Susette and I know that she did some songwriting.

1456
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 8: Whatever, Keavin, do you do you mind talking about the

1457
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:36,120
Speaker 8: Broadway thing and like what made you make that transition

1458
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,240
Speaker 8: into theater?

1459
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: Don't?

1460
01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:39,920
Speaker 5: I don't mind talking about it now. Someone just got

1461
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 5: a call Quest.

1462
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 7: They were trying to find me, and they called Quest

1463
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:48,320
Speaker 7: Records and they finally located me and they asked me

1464
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 7: to come out and read for this part. So it

1465
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:55,960
Speaker 7: was Matt Lynz, who was the assistant director. His partner

1466
01:10:56,360 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 7: recommended me for the part of Seaweed. He was like,

1467
01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 7: where's Tevin Campbell And they found me. Wow, And I

1468
01:11:01,560 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 7: came out and I auditioned in front of all the people,

1469
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,800
Speaker 7: the directors and everybody, and then I walked out and

1470
01:11:06,840 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 7: they didn't call me back in and told me we

1471
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,040
Speaker 7: got the part. So I played the Seaweed in Hairspray

1472
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 7: for like on Broadway for like four years, and then

1473
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 7: I went to Australia and lived out there for two

1474
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:22,520
Speaker 7: years and did it with a whole different cast and directors.

1475
01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 5: So it was a lot of fun. Yeah, So I

1476
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 5: played Seaweed for like six years on the Broadway on

1477
01:11:28,439 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 5: the theater stage.

1478
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:33,600
Speaker 1: All right, can you answer something for me Australia. And

1479
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 1: I keep trying to tell people this that you know,

1480
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,160
Speaker 1: I come from Philadelphia, which was you know, at one point,

1481
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:45,559
Speaker 1: you know they held the torch for a certain type

1482
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: of soul music.

1483
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:49,200
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll say it, Neil sol I don't see neo

1484
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:54,720
Speaker 2: soul as a four letter word, but oftentimes, like you know,

1485
01:11:55,200 --> 01:12:00,679
Speaker 2: on social media, whatever, just the amount of soul singers

1486
01:12:00,720 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 2: that I see in Australia is staggering. So Ruwan one

1487
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 2: of my managers when I was DJ and during the pandemic,

1488
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,679
Speaker 2: he's kind of like my DJ manager, tech guy. He's

1489
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: from Australia, and he explained to me that's similar to

1490
01:12:17,680 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 2: the UK. You know, like we live in America where

1491
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 2: basically corporate radio controls the music that you're listening to.

1492
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,439
Speaker 2: Six six months from now, you know, a clear channel

1493
01:12:30,080 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 2: will have already pre programmed, you know, the next little

1494
01:12:34,479 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 2: Baby song or the next Doja Cat song, like we're

1495
01:12:37,640 --> 01:12:41,000
Speaker 2: gonna play this fifty times, and you know, they have monopolies,

1496
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,760
Speaker 2: which is why we hear the same songs over and

1497
01:12:42,840 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 2: over and over and over and over, whereas government radio

1498
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:50,520
Speaker 2: I e BBC one, BBC two, and the same with Australia.

1499
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 2: It's still kind of like nineteen seventy eight or seventy

1500
01:12:55,720 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 2: nine in America, where they actually trust the DJ to

1501
01:12:59,439 --> 01:13:00,320
Speaker 2: be like this is.

1502
01:13:00,360 --> 01:13:01,640
Speaker 1: Cool, this is not cool this.

1503
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 2: And so as a result, rue explained to me, because

1504
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:08,120
Speaker 2: I was trying to it's like suddenly out of nowhere

1505
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: to start hearing like music that I would have gravitated

1506
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 2: towards but by these Australian musicians. I mean you see it,

1507
01:13:16,240 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 2: No Hiatus, Coyote and all that. But Rue was basically

1508
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 2: explaining to me that on mainstream radio, you know, Eric

1509
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 2: Abadu got equal time you know to Justin Timberlake or

1510
01:13:30,479 --> 01:13:33,799
Speaker 2: Christina Aguilera or whatever, like it wasn't like pop radios

1511
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,880
Speaker 2: here and black radios here, Like.

1512
01:13:36,160 --> 01:13:38,280
Speaker 3: They don't got black radio in Australia.

1513
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 2: Right, No, But that's the thing, and that's why a

1514
01:13:41,640 --> 01:13:45,639
Speaker 2: festival there's there's a there's a soul festival that's almost

1515
01:13:45,800 --> 01:13:51,680
Speaker 2: like three times the size of Coachella, in which the

1516
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: lineup is basically like the roots picnic on steroids. Like

1517
01:13:54,960 --> 01:13:57,519
Speaker 2: every time you see the lineup, I think it's a

1518
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,640
Speaker 2: gag or like not true, it'll be like Maxwell DiAngelo,

1519
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:05,479
Speaker 2: you know as WV that like imagine seeing that sort

1520
01:14:05,520 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 2: of lineup. But just with every black actor you ever loved.

1521
01:14:08,280 --> 01:14:11,320
Speaker 1: And I my old thing was, when you were living

1522
01:14:11,400 --> 01:14:16,599
Speaker 1: down there, did you notice a love for black music

1523
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:21,120
Speaker 1: or even your catalog that you weren't finding in the

1524
01:14:21,200 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: States at all?

1525
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 5: Well yeah, yeah, and both on the radio and from

1526
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 5: the cast I was working with.

1527
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 7: So the girl that played the lead Park, who was

1528
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,559
Speaker 7: like twenty, I don't know, six twenty five.

1529
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 5: She started singing good Times by Retha Franklin.

1530
01:14:37,240 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 7: I literally almost had hers breakdown because I never heard

1531
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 7: of white girl singing good Times by Rutha Franklin literally,

1532
01:14:44,960 --> 01:14:46,519
Speaker 7: and she had this amazing voice.

1533
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 5: She could really sing. She knew all of the oldies.

1534
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,080
Speaker 7: And so we were riding around they would be playing

1535
01:14:53,240 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 7: stuff that I had never heard in America by these artists,

1536
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,800
Speaker 7: these R and B artists that I had never heard,

1537
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:03,800
Speaker 7: and that kind of surprised me. And it wasn't You're right,

1538
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,320
Speaker 7: they don't have black station white stations. They just kind

1539
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:08,479
Speaker 7: of blade it all together. But they have a huge

1540
01:15:08,479 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 7: appreciation for us, right.

1541
01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:12,679
Speaker 8: I was just trying to understand Australia as a content anyway,

1542
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 8: Like do they have black people outside of the natives

1543
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:16,400
Speaker 8: Aboriginal people?

1544
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1545
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 8: I'm like, is they they have the concept of black

1546
01:15:19,479 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 8: America and where these lyrics come from and all of

1547
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 8: these things, or is it just like white people listening

1548
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 8: to us so old.

1549
01:15:25,080 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 7: They they have more of a concept of us than

1550
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:29,240
Speaker 7: we do of ourselves. Because let me tell you something

1551
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:33,040
Speaker 7: about Australia, and you speak to anyone over there. They

1552
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,320
Speaker 7: can do an American accent easy. You can speak to

1553
01:15:36,400 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 7: an eight year old and they can do an American

1554
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:39,800
Speaker 7: accent because they study.

1555
01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 6: Us, right, that's an American accents telling it.

1556
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:45,040
Speaker 5: What I'm saying is they know our culture. They know

1557
01:15:45,160 --> 01:15:45,799
Speaker 5: our culture.

1558
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 7: They know they can tell you about hip hop and

1559
01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:51,040
Speaker 7: you I'm telling you it's some hip hopsters over there.

1560
01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: They that true like music.

1561
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 5: I lived there for two years. I'm telling you it's

1562
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:56,479
Speaker 5: like that. Now. Not all of the white people are

1563
01:15:56,600 --> 01:16:00,840
Speaker 5: like that in Australia, but I was. I was surprised

1564
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:01,719
Speaker 5: by the knowledge.

1565
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,559
Speaker 7: I was surprised by the knowledge that some of these

1566
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:08,400
Speaker 7: people that I have met had a black music past

1567
01:16:08,479 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 7: and present.

1568
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:11,919
Speaker 3: Wow, so they're better students than the Japanese.

1569
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,600
Speaker 2: Like there was a point where I'll say, like in

1570
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 2: ninety six ninety seven, where pre ferg EPs or group

1571
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,840
Speaker 2: like the Jurassic Five, or even like.

1572
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: Ben Ben Harper, Ben Harm. I mean selling out like

1573
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: yank Can you imagine?

1574
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 2: Like literally the first thing was like I call my

1575
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,679
Speaker 2: boys up, like yo, man, we're we are actually open

1576
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,920
Speaker 2: up for the Dieraxic five and we're playing like a

1577
01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 2: Yankee Stadium type of venue, Like we couldn't believe like

1578
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 2: that was the big industry that basically like underground black

1579
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:53,840
Speaker 2: acts get treated like gods over there.

1580
01:16:54,280 --> 01:16:55,040
Speaker 5: That's what I'm saying.

1581
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 2: We couldn't, we couldn't fathom it, and simply because they're

1582
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:04,680
Speaker 2: really wasn't in apartheid with radio yet you know, like

1583
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,600
Speaker 2: they all got equal billing, which is like imagine like

1584
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:11,280
Speaker 2: listen to smells like teen Spirit and then like a

1585
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: second lady, they're playing like chicken grease like an album cut,

1586
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 2: not like, oh, here's the single, but it's just it's

1587
01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:18,760
Speaker 2: crazy like that over there.

1588
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 3: This culture is definitely too Yeah, it's cool. I'm glad

1589
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 3: y'all liked it.

1590
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:24,280
Speaker 6: I just didn't love it was as much many black

1591
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 6: people to you know, enjoy their culture.

1592
01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:28,400
Speaker 3: Okay, good stuff.

1593
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:32,040
Speaker 7: There's some black people over there over there, but they

1594
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:35,760
Speaker 7: don't live in the same area as as that. You know,

1595
01:17:36,240 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 7: it depends on where you go. You go to Melbourne,

1596
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 7: you get their African stead there.

1597
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:45,360
Speaker 2: I also say this much, most most of the underground,

1598
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:49,880
Speaker 2: like hip hopper is like you know, I can name

1599
01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:52,439
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't rattle off names right now, but

1600
01:17:52,520 --> 01:17:55,880
Speaker 2: I'll say a good ten to twenty of them have

1601
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:57,080
Speaker 2: made their homes in.

1602
01:17:57,160 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: Australia now, which is just like.

1603
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,240
Speaker 2: You know, basically like America, just there's there's almost no

1604
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,240
Speaker 2: future here if you're trying to make a living or

1605
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:10,719
Speaker 2: make a splash as far as culture is concerned.

1606
01:18:10,760 --> 01:18:12,960
Speaker 8: I'm listening. I'm like, you know, ro versus way. God,

1607
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 8: motherfuckers think a difference. So I'm listening in places to go.

1608
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:19,400
Speaker 7: So where they regular, where they regulate a woman's body

1609
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:20,679
Speaker 7: more than they regulate guns.

1610
01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 5: And that's what we're doing. It is my god, it's insane,

1611
01:18:29,120 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 5: you know, for you.

1612
01:18:31,240 --> 01:18:33,960
Speaker 2: To have this illustrious career and you're like, in your

1613
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 2: your thirtieth year, what are your top five seven Campbell's

1614
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,240
Speaker 2: songs as far as like songs that you like and

1615
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 2: don't give me that every song's my kid.

1616
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 5: Like I'll give you. I'll give you some good songs.

1617
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 3: Because you're appreciating them now, said I do.

1618
01:18:48,680 --> 01:18:52,200
Speaker 5: I appreciate my work now more than I ever have. Okay,

1619
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:53,879
Speaker 5: so I'm gonna give you some real answers.

1620
01:18:54,439 --> 01:18:54,840
Speaker 6: I love.

1621
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 5: I know my Redeemer lived. I did that on the

1622
01:18:57,479 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 5: Hammle's Sosiah soundtrack. Heard it, No, never heard that. I

1623
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 5: can we talk? I like my vocal performance on there.

1624
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 5: I think it's one of the best.

1625
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:17,920
Speaker 7: Holy Night, all right, holy Night. I like a perfect

1626
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 7: World from the first album.

1627
01:19:20,479 --> 01:19:24,479
Speaker 5: It's just it's I love it. Trying to think of

1628
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:25,240
Speaker 5: a really good one.

1629
01:19:26,439 --> 01:19:31,920
Speaker 7: Then I listened to Weekly, Oh yeah, Tomorrow, Tomorrow, Yeah, tomorrow, definitely.

1630
01:19:32,040 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one of the gains.

1631
01:19:33,000 --> 01:19:36,000
Speaker 7: I enjoy listening to that because I sound totally different,

1632
01:19:36,360 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 7: and it's when I its my first record. This is

1633
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 7: so cute, you know, like you know, I will never

1634
01:19:42,439 --> 01:19:45,200
Speaker 7: ever sounds like that ever again, and it's the first one.

1635
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:47,439
Speaker 7: So yeah, that's really special to me.

1636
01:19:47,520 --> 01:19:48,160
Speaker 5: I like that one.

1637
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 2: So for you in your your future, is there are

1638
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 2: there any other bucket list things that you would like

1639
01:19:57,560 --> 01:19:58,280
Speaker 2: it to accomplish?

1640
01:19:58,600 --> 01:20:00,679
Speaker 3: Return to the stage. I returned to the theatrical stage.

1641
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 3: Are there any be our way with performances? Are you

1642
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 3: ever going to return to the stage.

1643
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 5: I would love to go back to Broadway, but I

1644
01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 5: really I.

1645
01:20:09,680 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 7: Wouldn't be happy until I wanted Grammy. So it all

1646
01:20:13,560 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 7: it takes is one song to win a Grammy, so

1647
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 7: I really do. I'm working on that album and I

1648
01:20:19,120 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 7: really really want to release another album.

1649
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 5: I just need a Grammy. I'll be happy when I

1650
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 5: went with my Grammy. I would love to act. I

1651
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 5: would love to do film and team. I've always wanted

1652
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:31,600
Speaker 5: to do that.

1653
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, how was Queen Sugar Man? You did the Queen

1654
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 4: Sugar for.

1655
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:38,120
Speaker 5: How I wasn't I should have? I need to do

1656
01:20:38,160 --> 01:20:42,160
Speaker 5: it again because I was like not ready to catch up?

1657
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:42,920
Speaker 3: What season.

1658
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:45,680
Speaker 5: Years ago?

1659
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:46,360
Speaker 3: No it wasn't.

1660
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 1: No it wasn't. I didn't get the season four yet.

1661
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:51,800
Speaker 1: I'm still years ago.

1662
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 5: But no acting.

1663
01:20:54,840 --> 01:20:56,400
Speaker 7: And I would like to write a book when I'm

1664
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 7: like sixty. I would like to write a book. I

1665
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:01,320
Speaker 7: wanted to do a podcast and talk about the pros

1666
01:21:01,360 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 7: and cons of childhood starting.

1667
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 3: But okay, so what's on?

1668
01:21:04,760 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 5: A whole bunch of childhood form and childhood stars are there?

1669
01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 1: But that network.

1670
01:21:09,920 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 5: I really would like to do, like an album like

1671
01:21:11,800 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 5: Barry Manilow did, like classic songs.

1672
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,639
Speaker 7: I've always wanted to do an album like that because

1673
01:21:16,640 --> 01:21:20,479
Speaker 7: I love classic songs like Frank Sinatra songs and stuff

1674
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:20,680
Speaker 7: like that.

1675
01:21:20,920 --> 01:21:23,040
Speaker 5: But I'm just thinking out loud, have.

1676
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,080
Speaker 3: You been saying a feature requests happen?

1677
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:26,840
Speaker 8: Because I feel like a lot of these young kids

1678
01:21:26,960 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 8: they have to hit you up for the for the

1679
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 8: Tevin sound like they've.

1680
01:21:31,560 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 3: Been You've been saying no, You've been saying no, I have.

1681
01:21:35,160 --> 01:21:37,720
Speaker 5: Been saying no. But nobody asked me nothing like that.

1682
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 3: Man, I can't believe to.

1683
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 5: Call them. I don't believe.

1684
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:50,840
Speaker 3: I'm like with all of this, you know everybody.

1685
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:51,920
Speaker 5: You know what.

1686
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:56,400
Speaker 1: That's the question I avoid the most because I hate

1687
01:21:56,439 --> 01:21:58,880
Speaker 1: when I'm asked that question. Like people always be like

1688
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 1: anybody that you like.

1689
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:04,000
Speaker 2: I didn't have that no, no, no no, And I

1690
01:22:04,240 --> 01:22:07,879
Speaker 2: never asked that, but I was just ask in general,

1691
01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:12,840
Speaker 2: is there anyone that's made a record in the last

1692
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 2: ten years?

1693
01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:17,160
Speaker 1: Is something that like really touched you? Like, Okay, I

1694
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:18,840
Speaker 1: like that record or that song, or.

1695
01:22:21,439 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 5: I like Jazzmine Sullivan. When I heard her, uh that

1696
01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 5: makes sense Hotels really sort of.

1697
01:22:29,200 --> 01:22:29,760
Speaker 3: Talk about it.

1698
01:22:30,960 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 5: It was interesting how she just.

1699
01:22:32,439 --> 01:22:37,040
Speaker 7: Put her whole life, that story into the hour, because

1700
01:22:37,080 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 7: that's kind of what I want to do with my

1701
01:22:39,160 --> 01:22:41,680
Speaker 7: story that I'm trying to tell. And I think I

1702
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 7: was very pressed at how she did that and made

1703
01:22:44,280 --> 01:22:47,880
Speaker 7: it relatable and made it enjoyable and entertaining at.

1704
01:22:47,800 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 5: The same time.

1705
01:22:49,200 --> 01:22:51,559
Speaker 3: Oh so Jasmine can make the call and you would

1706
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 3: say yes, okay.

1707
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 5: Oh, and I love her voice.

1708
01:22:54,760 --> 01:22:56,720
Speaker 2: You know, I think she's great saying I think we

1709
01:22:56,800 --> 01:22:58,720
Speaker 2: have an end of Jasmine, do we I think we

1710
01:22:58,800 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 2: got a little something some song.

1711
01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 1: I think we haven't endo her.

1712
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 7: I like Lord too. I think she's very talented. I

1713
01:23:06,520 --> 01:23:09,759
Speaker 7: heard her songwriting and the way she tells stories the album.

1714
01:23:10,160 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 7: That album influenced me. I think it was her last

1715
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 7: album that she released. So those two albums, I think

1716
01:23:16,120 --> 01:23:18,000
Speaker 7: really got me thinking how I want to write my

1717
01:23:18,080 --> 01:23:20,760
Speaker 7: album because it's not gonna be.

1718
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:22,400
Speaker 5: Can we talk? It's not gonna be. I'm ready.

1719
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:26,160
Speaker 7: I kind of want to tell my story in a

1720
01:23:26,200 --> 01:23:29,439
Speaker 7: way that everybody can relate to, though, so I don't

1721
01:23:29,439 --> 01:23:32,000
Speaker 7: want to stir people too far away from the formula.

1722
01:23:32,120 --> 01:23:34,280
Speaker 7: But I do have a story to tell, you know,

1723
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 7: I have story is to tell. I can't just think

1724
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:38,120
Speaker 7: about love.

1725
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:43,559
Speaker 1: So this this has been a long time coming.

1726
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,760
Speaker 2: I think at first like two years ago, and I'm

1727
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,320
Speaker 2: so glad that we finally got to have this conversation.

1728
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:50,640
Speaker 1: All right, Well on.

1729
01:23:50,800 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 2: Behalf of you know Sugar, Steve Unpaid, Bill like yeah

1730
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 2: and front Tikolo.

1731
01:23:56,160 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: This is Quest Love. Another great episode of quts Love.

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01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 1: We will see you good people on the next go round.

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01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:17,160
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01:24:17,240 --> 01:24:24,760
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