1 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: You're listening to Facing Evil, a production of iHeartRadio and 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:11,160 Speaker 1: Tenderfoot TV. The views and opinions expressed in this podcast 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: are solely those of the individuals participating in the show 4 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: and do not represent those of iHeartRadio or Tenderfoot TV. 5 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 1: This podcast contains subject matter which may not be suitable 6 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: for everyone. Listener discretion is advised. 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 2: Hi, everyone, welcome back to Facing Evil from Tenderfoot TV 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,440 Speaker 2: and iHeartRadio. 9 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 3: We are your host. 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 4: I'm vet gin Lay and I am Roscha Piccquerero, and 11 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:46,680 Speaker 4: today is a very special episode. Our dear friend, our beautiful, amazing, 12 00:00:46,960 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 4: talented badass, Jamie Albright is here with us today and 13 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:57,080 Speaker 4: she's not only a dear friend of yvet Nay, but 14 00:00:57,240 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 4: she is our Tenderfoot TV. Ohana and Jamie, I am 15 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 4: so honored that you are here today, and I know 16 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 4: all of us at Facing Evil are as well, but 17 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 4: I want to introduce you properly to our listeners at 18 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 4: Facing Evil. So not only did Jamie get a Bachelor 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 4: of Sociology from Kenesaw State University in twenty thirteen, she 20 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 4: also completed her forensic interview training in twenty fourteen. She 21 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 4: has a master's of Social Work from Valdosta State University, 22 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 4: which that was in twenty eighteen. And she is a 23 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 4: producer on some of the best podcasts that are out there, 24 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 4: just to name a few, some of our personal faves, 25 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 4: MLK tapes, Kim Kardashian's The System and of course Gaining Ground, 26 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 4: Algorithm Sworn, all the things. And on top of that, 27 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 4: she's a mother of six children and she started having 28 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 4: babies when she was five, and. 29 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 5: She does not look old enough, not at all, not 30 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 5: at all. 31 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 4: So I know it's so much, but I know you 32 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 4: need to know who Jamie Albright is. 33 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,400 Speaker 5: Jamie Ekomo may welcome to facing you all. 34 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 6: Thank you so much Russia any of that, and thank 35 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 6: you for that very lovely introduction to everyone. I'm really 36 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 6: happy to be here. I love the work that you do, 37 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 6: and as I've told you both, I loved your podcasts 38 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 6: before I ever met you and had the opportunity to 39 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 6: work with you at Tenderfoot, so I'm excited to be here. 40 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,119 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Jamie, We're just so thrilled to have 41 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: you here. You know, I have so many questions that 42 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 2: I want to ask you, but the first question that 43 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 2: I want to start with, especially you know, Russia and 44 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 2: I working on facing evil and dealing with so many 45 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 2: of these horrific cases. And you know, when I think 46 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: about you, I think about different cases like Angela Simoda, 47 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: and I think about one of her best friends who 48 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 2: was so changed because of that event that happened in 49 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: her life that she then became a private investigator because 50 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 2: of you know, that that thing that changed. 51 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: Her whole life. How did you get into this industry? 52 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 2: Did something you know, happen when you were younger and 53 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,880 Speaker 2: it made you want to get into this particular field. 54 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:33,119 Speaker 6: Yeah, so nothing happened to me like that specifically put 55 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 6: me into this field. But I've always just wanted to advocate. 56 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 6: I mean, it's kind of a funny story. My dad 57 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 6: loves to say, like you were born rescuing kittens from 58 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 6: a gutter, and you know, you're always finding something that 59 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 6: was an important cause to you. And I think that, 60 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 6: you know, when I became a mom, my children's safety 61 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 6: was something that was really important to me. I will say, 62 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 6: I come from the generation where you know, you hug 63 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 6: every uncle and you don't say you don't want to 64 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 6: hug that person. And there were times when I wanted 65 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 6: to have a voice, and it was kind of just 66 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 6: not acceptable at that time. So one thing with my 67 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 6: children I always did before I even worked in this 68 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 6: field was if you don't want to hug someone, you know, 69 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 6: it's your body, your choice. If you don't want to 70 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 6: sit on someone's it's your body, your choice. That was 71 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:23,880 Speaker 6: always really important to me. And then when I started 72 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 6: deciding what I wanted to do when I went back 73 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,839 Speaker 6: to school, It's kind of a silly story, but I 74 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:32,040 Speaker 6: became obsessed with the TV show Special Victims. 75 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 7: Unit, Oh Yes, yes, and I just thought, oh my gosh, 76 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 7: a lot of those shows are based on things that 77 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 7: have happened, and I really thought, I just cannot believe 78 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 7: that we live in a world where there are so 79 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 7: many children who face trauma and even you know, women 80 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 7: and men as well. 81 00:04:52,279 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 6: But for me, the children's stories really just impacted me. 82 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 6: And I should say, anyone who works in the field says, 83 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 6: never say that, because people will go, oh my gosh, 84 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 6: nothing we do. 85 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:04,599 Speaker 8: Is like that. It's very different. 86 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 6: But I will say I work alongside people who are 87 00:05:08,320 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 6: superstars in this forensic interview world, detectives that really care 88 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 6: about the work that they do. And that's why, even 89 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 6: though I produce podcasts. I still keep myself in that 90 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 6: forensic interview world because I'm passionate about it. 91 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: Right, I guess another question that I have for you is, 92 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 2: in the industry that you're in, are there a lot 93 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 2: of women that are forensic interviewers? And if so, let 94 00:05:34,640 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 2: us know and also let us know, like for people 95 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: that are interested in getting into the field, like how 96 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 2: would they go about, you know, becoming a forensic interviewer. 97 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 6: Sure so, Actually, yes, the field is predominantly women. I 98 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 6: say girl power all the time. As a matter of yes, 99 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 6: at the center that I still conduct interviews at, we 100 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 6: have a female attorney, we have a female director. I 101 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 6: mean it's just you do see a lot more women 102 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 6: in the field of forensic interviewing. And I will say 103 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,480 Speaker 6: it would be nice to see Mormon. We did have 104 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 6: a male interviewer, and it was nice because there were 105 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 6: times when a young boy may want to connect with 106 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:16,719 Speaker 6: a male interviewer. You just don't ever know. So having 107 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 6: the diversity in the field is really important. If someone 108 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 6: wants to get in the field, I would say to 109 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 6: do your research and find out what exactly you want 110 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 6: to do, because being a forensic interviewer is not the 111 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 6: same as being a police officer or a detective. It's 112 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,159 Speaker 6: very different. A forensic interview is conducted at a child 113 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 6: advocacy center in a safe environment where that child is 114 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 6: you know, can disclose, and we partner with law enforcement 115 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 6: to provide this piece of the criminal investigation, which is 116 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 6: that interview. For me, I stayed home with my children, 117 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 6: and then my last year of my bachelor's program, I 118 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 6: did an internship at a very amazing police department in 119 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:02,039 Speaker 6: our area and met this inner viewer who an advocate, 120 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 6: who told me it's a tough field to get into. 121 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 6: So I started volunteering as what's called a sexual assault 122 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 6: response team coordinator, and I would come out all hours 123 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 6: of the night and coordinate a response team if there 124 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 6: was a victim of alleged a sexual assault. And that 125 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 6: just kind of helped me learn the field. And then 126 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 6: I kept going to my schooling and I found an 127 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 6: opportunity to attend forensic interview training, which is a week 128 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 6: long alongside detectives and other people in the field. And 129 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 6: I actually did that myself. I didn't have a job. 130 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 6: A company put me through that, and I just kept 131 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 6: working towards the goal that I had, and once I 132 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 6: had that opportunity to interview at the same center where 133 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 6: I was a start coordinator and an advocate, it was 134 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 6: it was great. And when I say great, I mean 135 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 6: that I was able to do what I knew I 136 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 6: wanted to do to be part of that field. 137 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 8: But it is a tough field to work in. 138 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: It makes sense that there's so many women, predominantly women, right, 139 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 2: because women have so much empathy and so much heart, 140 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 2: and so much patience, you know, and kindness, So that 141 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. 142 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 4: I do want to say, like Jamie, we're so fortunate, 143 00:08:14,520 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 4: of course to know your story because we've fallen in 144 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: love with you over the past, you know, two years, 145 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 4: because you know, even though Facing Evil debuted, you know, 146 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty two, we've been working on it since 147 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 4: twenty twenty and I have to share this story with you. 148 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 4: I think we've shared a little bit with you before, 149 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 4: but not in depth. When we had our very first 150 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:44,199 Speaker 4: meeting with your amazing brother, Donald Albright, you know, co 151 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 4: creator and you know CEO of Tenderfoot TV alongside Payne Lindsay. 152 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 4: What attracted Evet and I so much to Tenderfoot TV 153 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 4: was the way that he lifted up his entire team 154 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 4: and most especially you, Jamie, Like he was like, I 155 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 4: work with my sister, and trust me, it's not just 156 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 4: because she's my sister. This amazing, brilliant, amazing human who 157 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 4: is making huge difference in so many lives. With all 158 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 4: of that being said, I would love to know because 159 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 4: we get asked this question all the time, like what 160 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 4: is it like working with your siblings and what brought 161 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 4: you to Tenderfoot, Like what was that conversation? Like like 162 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 4: how did you go from you know, being a forensic 163 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:34,680 Speaker 4: interviewer and you know, working at that incredible center to 164 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 4: still doing that and also joining the Tenderfoot t V. 165 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 3: Johanna. 166 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,680 Speaker 6: Yes, well, first, I love that that my brother was 167 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:45,079 Speaker 6: so sweet about me, because you know, your siblings don't 168 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 6: always tell. 169 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:49,040 Speaker 9: You that, like to you right right. 170 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 8: But Donald and I've always been closed. 171 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 6: We're only fifteen months apart, and when he I kind 172 00:09:56,679 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 6: of have a funny story. He was in the music 173 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 6: industry before and I was iving to grad school listening 174 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 6: to podcasts and he called me and said he was, 175 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 6: you know, do you listen to podcasts? And I was 176 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,960 Speaker 6: like yeah, And he said, Okay, I think I'm going 177 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 6: to start a podcast company. 178 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 5: I was like, what, I was like. 179 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 9: So sry. 180 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 6: I was really concerned because I'm like, I don't know 181 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 6: if people make money doing this. 182 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 8: I don't know what's happening. 183 00:10:20,760 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 6: But I remember even saying, well, I know people that 184 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 6: maybe you can talk to, because I wanted to support 185 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,840 Speaker 6: him as much as I could. And you know, I 186 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 6: was amazing to watch Up and Vanished take off, you know, 187 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:33,240 Speaker 6: he and painted such great work on Up and Vanish. 188 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:34,839 Speaker 6: And then what a lot of people don't know is 189 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 6: while I've been working for Tenderfoot officially for a few years, 190 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 6: when Atlanta child Murders came out, he reached out to 191 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 6: me and said. 192 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 8: Hey, can you read these? Can you look at this? 193 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 6: Because of my background as a social work have a 194 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 6: master's in social work and trauma, you know, just being 195 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 6: trauma informed, and so I love that, you know, he 196 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,320 Speaker 6: reached out to me because we want our shows to 197 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 6: be sensitive to the fact that the people who were 198 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 6: speaking to have experienced trauma, and we don't want to 199 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 6: sensationalize their stories. You want to tell them in a 200 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 6: respectful manner. And that's one thing I've always loved about 201 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 6: the work. 202 00:11:08,040 --> 00:11:08,640 Speaker 8: That we do. 203 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 6: Hear at Tenderfoot, and so you know, it's interesting because 204 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 6: he'll say to me sometimes, so are you are you 205 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 6: ever going to come like officially full time and not 206 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 6: forensic interview, And I'll talk about it and then he'll go, 207 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,360 Speaker 6: you know what your heart is? In both places, those 208 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 6: I feel very blessed and I'm able to continue doing both. 209 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 6: So anyway, I worked a little bit on at landa Monster, 210 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 6: kind of in the research and looking up family members 211 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 6: and kind of talking about the trauma piece. And then 212 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 6: each time there was a project, if he had the 213 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,959 Speaker 6: opportunity to loot me in kind of just to see 214 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 6: what my thoughts were, then I would help with that. 215 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 6: And so once I finally officially thought okay, yes I'm ready, 216 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 6: I want to do this work, I'm just thrilled to 217 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 6: do it. At Tenderfoot, I love working with my brother. 218 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 6: We get along very well. I get no special treatment. 219 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 8: I do want to say that because. 220 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 6: It makes me actually want to work harder, because I 221 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,720 Speaker 6: want us to have a good show and a good 222 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 6: product that I always want us to be aware of 223 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,560 Speaker 6: the stories we're telling. So you know that's kind of 224 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:10,520 Speaker 6: my story, and I really I feel blessed every day 225 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,000 Speaker 6: to do things that I love so much. 226 00:12:13,040 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like work. I do have another question 227 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 2: for you. You know, we talk about these cases again. 228 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,280 Speaker 2: You know they're heavy, and especially what you do, Jamie, 229 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 2: how do you decompress because you are such a bright light, 230 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 2: Like your spirit is always so positive, your attitude is 231 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 2: always positive. How do you stay like that? First of all, 232 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 2: what do you do to decompress from these cases? You know, 233 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 2: to take care of yourself, to give yourself that self love? 234 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:04,160 Speaker 8: Yeah, well, thank you. 235 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 6: First of all, I feel that way about you guys, 236 00:13:05,800 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 6: Like I just love whether we're exchanging text messages or 237 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 6: quick you know, social media, Like I just love that. 238 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 8: Like I feel that from you. 239 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 6: Guys just radiate this positive energy, and I think that 240 00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 6: that's so important. Burnout is high for people who work 241 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 6: in these types of fields, and I see that on 242 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,880 Speaker 6: the law enforcement side, a lot of our detectives or 243 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 6: time there is getting less and less. And that's just 244 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 6: not in Georgia, that's nationwide Special Victims Unit. They work 245 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 6: with really tough cases. And in the field of social 246 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 6: work it's very high as well. So I have always 247 00:13:41,559 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 6: only interviewed part time, and that is very intentional for me. 248 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 6: Even before I worked at Tenderfoot, I did some curriculum 249 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 6: writing and some other things at schools that really warmed 250 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 6: my heart because I remember saying I get to see 251 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 6: happy children at the school. 252 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 8: It just was that balance for me. 253 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 6: I think it's important to make sure that we practice 254 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:03,880 Speaker 6: self care, and that's a word we hear a lot. 255 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 6: But what that means is whatever brings you to a 256 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 6: place of peace. You can feel trauma in your body. 257 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 8: And there's secondary. 258 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 6: Trauma where I hear this story and it's I can 259 00:14:16,640 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 6: feel my heart race and I'm really like, oh my gosh, 260 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 6: this was tough to hear, and I'm processing it and honestly, 261 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 6: with forensic interviewing, I'm visualizing it because I'm trying to 262 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 6: see what they experienced. And then there's the long term 263 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 6: VI carryus trauma where I'm now viewing the entire world 264 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 6: like that person, that person, that person, they could all 265 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 6: be child molesters. And I do not want to view 266 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 6: the world that way. I want to view the world 267 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 6: with open eyes and I don't want to let the 268 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 6: things I hear change my image. And so for me, 269 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 6: I have a very supportive husband and he is not 270 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 6: afraid to tell me why are you looking at that? 271 00:14:57,920 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 8: Before you go to pass y. 272 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 6: I mentioned that I loved to watch you know, True 273 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 6: crime constantly before I worked in it. 274 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 8: I don't do that as much anymore. Right, you might 275 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 8: watch something. 276 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 6: That's lighthearted because I listened to so much of it, 277 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 6: you know, for work and things that I try to 278 00:15:16,280 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 6: do more lighthearted things. I fell in love during the 279 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 6: pandemic because our numbers were really high. And seeing children 280 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 6: with getting outside. 281 00:15:26,600 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, we see that, we see on social media. You 282 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 5: get out, love it. 283 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 6: Come up with things that just give you that breather, 284 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 6: put our phone down, connect with people, connect with the earth. 285 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 6: To me, those are just things that have helped me 286 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 6: and also so important. Learning to say no boundaries are 287 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 6: so important because. 288 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 9: One more time, say it loud, say it one more time. 289 00:15:56,160 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 6: Learning to say no. Boundaries are so important. And I 290 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 6: do lots of reading. I follow lots of social media, 291 00:16:04,520 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 6: you know groups where they talk about this and it's 292 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 6: my no does not mean I don't want to do this. 293 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 6: It might mean that I need space to hike or 294 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 6: to sleep. Getting enough sleep is important and just being 295 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 6: aware of like your body. I'm not saying these cases, 296 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 6: whether it's an interview or it's a true crime case 297 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 6: that I'm researching. They don't stay with me, But I 298 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,240 Speaker 6: try to find ways to compartmentalize as much as I can, 299 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 6: and remember, I can only do what I can do, 300 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 6: and the most important thing for me to do is 301 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 6: to be kind to the people that I come across, 302 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 6: to have empathy for them, and to know too that 303 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 6: you know, it's not left in me. 304 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 8: To solve or fix their problem. 305 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 6: It's really giving them the voice to tell their story 306 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:57,360 Speaker 6: and maybe some resources after. 307 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 8: That's important to me. 308 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 9: You guys, know, y resource resources are everything? 309 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 3: You know? 310 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 2: Paying it forward right is so important. 311 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I won't watch you know, Monitor Spu as 312 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,720 Speaker 4: much as I love Marisco Hargetay, but I, you know, 313 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:16,479 Speaker 4: will go and watch a Marvel movie. I mean, Hello 314 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 4: Wakanda Forever, although that wasn't as light hearted it was. 315 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 9: No, let's jump ahead a little bit. Can you tell 316 00:17:24,359 --> 00:17:28,440 Speaker 9: us any of the new projects that you're working on? 317 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 5: What are you allowed? 318 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 9: What are you all to say? But we can yeah, 319 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 9: if you can, If you can't, we understand. 320 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:38,679 Speaker 4: No. 321 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 6: So I am like a bit of too tenderfoot cheerleader 322 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 6: since day one. So every project my team works on 323 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 6: I'm just. 324 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 8: Like, yes, it's so great. 325 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 6: I'm so proud of everyone because Tenderfoot's a small but 326 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 6: mighty team and we do divide and conquer. We all 327 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 6: work on different things, but I am working on a 328 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 6: project right now that's very close to my heart. This 329 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 6: is about a case of it. At least six young 330 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 6: black girls and women who were sexually assaulted, murdered, and 331 00:18:06,760 --> 00:18:10,719 Speaker 6: left alongside freeways in DC in nineteen between nineteen seventy 332 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 6: one and nineteen seventy two. What makes me passionate about this? 333 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,440 Speaker 6: These victims and their families have not had a voice 334 00:18:19,480 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 6: for so long, and there were things that happened during 335 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 6: the investigation that left them feeling very unheard. And this 336 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 6: case is still unsolved. And we talk about trauma, it's 337 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 6: important to remember it doesn't matter if it happened five 338 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 6: days ago or fifty. 339 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 8: Year years ago. 340 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 5: Trauma is trauma. 341 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 8: Yes, and these. 342 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 6: Family members wanted to share their story. It's you know, 343 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 6: one family member said to me, can someone just say 344 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 6: my sister's name correctly? All fifty years and the few 345 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 6: shows that have come out or the few times the 346 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 6: cases have been investigated, the names weren't pronounced right. I mean, 347 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 6: your name is so important to who you are, and 348 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:09,640 Speaker 6: so this project is close to my heart. And it's 349 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 6: one of those things too where I've was able to 350 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 6: connect with the detective. We don't say ages because for women, 351 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 6: but she has Trace has been close to her heart 352 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 6: for fifty years and she's a mature woman and she 353 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 6: says in her lifetime she would love to see these 354 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,719 Speaker 6: cases get more attention and these families have the opportunity 355 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 6: to share their story. And that's the project that is 356 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 6: really close to my heart right now, and I hope 357 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 6: that it reaches the people that. 358 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 8: You know it should reach. 359 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 6: Someone might know something that they don't even know they know, 360 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,199 Speaker 6: right that could give these families a little bit of 361 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:50,760 Speaker 6: more closure, you know, because closure looks. 362 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 8: Different for everyone. 363 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 6: So that's what I'm working on that I have a 364 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 6: few others I can't talk about, but all of our 365 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,119 Speaker 6: projects to me, are equally important. And we realize a 366 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 6: lot of things of change, but a lot of things 367 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:04,640 Speaker 6: have stayed the same, and that not all victims get 368 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,879 Speaker 6: equal media coverage, equal platform to tell their stories. And 369 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 6: I'd like to think that at Tenderfoot, we are trying to, 370 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:16,320 Speaker 6: you know, reduce that barrier for people. 371 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 4: One thing I really want to talk about, Jamie, And 372 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 4: first of all, everyone out there needs to know how 373 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 4: passionate you are about your beautiful family. Beautiful I mean 374 00:20:47,560 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 4: beautiful from your beautiful grandma, great, I mean all the 375 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 4: way to your youngest daughter, like it radiates through you 376 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 4: and the entire you know, Ohanna, that you have. But 377 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 4: I know something that really I mean I think if 378 00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 4: you please remind me if I'm misquoting here, but you 379 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 4: discovered that your son Joshua was going through some major 380 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 4: health problems and you have been. 381 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 5: Such a huge advocate for and I want to get 382 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:23,120 Speaker 5: this right. 383 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 9: Is it? 384 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 5: I want to say, I'm like, how do you even 385 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 5: pronounce it? 386 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 8: Is it? 387 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 5: Nef Care Kidney International? Okay. 388 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 4: I would love to know more about the work that 389 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 4: you are doing and what you and Joshua are doing together, 390 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 4: and please tell our listeners what FSGS is and how 391 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 4: you can educate others on this. 392 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 5: It's a disease, right. 393 00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, thanks for bringing that up. So this would 394 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 6: be one of those things where I talk about, you know, 395 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 6: what does it look like? You know for self care? 396 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 6: You know, you e my kids go to the doctor 397 00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 6: every year, they have physicals, I'm obsessive. 398 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 8: Get your physical, your teeth clean, do all of these things. 399 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 6: And my son, Joshua, was senior year of high school, 400 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:09,560 Speaker 6: doing really great in the gym three times a week, 401 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 6: I mean looking great. And my lovely sister donated a 402 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 6: kidney to a family friend on her husband's side and 403 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 6: then through a kidney exchange, and we were joking about it, like, oh, 404 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 6: you know what, we need that kidney. Everyone needs two kidneys. 405 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:27,639 Speaker 6: Don't give it up as a joke, you know, and 406 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 6: not joking of anyone. The kidneyssease which try to keep 407 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:32,960 Speaker 6: it quiet harder because what she was doing was very serious, 408 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 6: you know. So we go over to see my sister 409 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 6: and at the last minute, Joshua, who's my Joshi, I 410 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,520 Speaker 6: call him Joshi. He came with us and at that 411 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 6: visit with my sister and brother in law, my brother 412 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 6: in law called me over and was playing with the 413 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,440 Speaker 6: blood pressure machine and said Joshi's blood pressure was too high. 414 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 6: We went from a medical visit the next day to 415 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 6: within six weeks ultrasound biopsy being told that my son 416 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 6: was in stage two kidney failure. And it was shocking, 417 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 6: absolutely shocking. At first, he didn't want to tell anyone. 418 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,159 Speaker 6: And again, I'm kind of a born advocate, so it 419 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 6: was hard for me at first, but I wanted to 420 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 6: respect his wishes, right, And then I was that mom 421 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,160 Speaker 6: at night at two am, trying to like find support 422 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 6: groups because I was crying all the time. I mean, 423 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 6: I keep bubbly and lighthearted, but like, oh, and it's 424 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 6: your baby, it's just in your heart. 425 00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah. 426 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 6: And I met this amazing lady named Kelly Helm who 427 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,959 Speaker 6: also has a daughter with kidney disease and FSGS, and 428 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,359 Speaker 6: she said, to me, join these groups like neft cure 429 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 6: can help you. So what FSGS is the best way 430 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 6: to describe it is, it causes kidney. 431 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 8: Failure, kidney disease. 432 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 6: It's almost like it's attacking your kidney's attacking itself. And 433 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 6: my son had genetic testing. It is a genetic condition, 434 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 6: and so we don't have a long history of canney. 435 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 6: He's on my side. My husband did know that his 436 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 6: grandmother had kidney disease, but just like digging through that 437 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 6: family history, and so I want everyone to know my 438 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 6: son's type of FSGS is caused by a specific gene 439 00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 6: in the black community. He has a po l one 440 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 6: facilitated FSGS, but anyone can get different types. It's an 441 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 6: aggressive form of kidney disease. Most people never have symptoms. 442 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 6: We are very blessed that Joshua's was caught early and 443 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:35,680 Speaker 6: again though kind of like Ve mentioned earlier connections, Joshua 444 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 6: was having his biopsy and the doctor's last name rang 445 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 6: a bell to me. Come to find out his wife 446 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 6: conducts trainings I attend as a forensic interviewer. 447 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 8: I don't think that's coincidence. 448 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 6: Just these little connections that kept me just for me 449 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,119 Speaker 6: remembering that we were not alone on this walk. You know, 450 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 6: I believe in a higher power. I believe that we 451 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,200 Speaker 6: were not alone. Spirituality to me is really important. Yes, 452 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 6: we ended up on this fast track to like Joshua 453 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,320 Speaker 6: being a voice for research studies and traveling, and we've 454 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 6: met amazing people you mentioned earlier. You know how I 455 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 6: stay positive. I believe in surrounding yourself with people who 456 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,199 Speaker 6: are like minded, who are passionate, who are kind like 457 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 6: you guys, and who have prayed for my son, or 458 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,080 Speaker 6: if they don't pray, they've sent positive quotes or positive 459 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 6: energy all the way. All the good you do, right, 460 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 6: And so it's been a journey I had a friend. 461 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,040 Speaker 6: I have a really good friend who's at therapist and 462 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 6: one day she said to me, but have you stopped 463 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,120 Speaker 6: to process? And I cried at lunch and I said, well, 464 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 6: let me cry a little bit. 465 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 8: It is a lot. 466 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, but also having that those friends in your circle 467 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 6: that are like holding you accountable to self care. 468 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 8: Yes, to feeling the feelings that. 469 00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 6: You need to feel to still be a really strong advocate. 470 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 6: So nef Cure provides patient and family advocacy as well 471 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 6: as funding for research for people who have rare kidney disease. 472 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 6: Joshua is in a study and he's feeling wonderful. It's 473 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 6: a blind study, so we don't know everything, but he 474 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 6: feels great. 475 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 3: That's fantastic. 476 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,560 Speaker 6: And he's nineteen and he's really my hero. He's just 477 00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 6: kept such a positive attitude. And again, my husband is 478 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 6: like the stoic one. We're going to get through this. 479 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,600 Speaker 6: And when I get too crazy on the advocacy train, 480 00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 6: he's like, er, let's go on a high. 481 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 2: It's that balance, right, that balance, Yeah, it's that balance. 482 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 8: And you mentioned o'hannah. I love that. When I met you. 483 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 6: Guys, we have an amazing family, whether it's my brother saying, hey, 484 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 6: my agent has connection to the kidney world. 485 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 8: Hey, he'll be at. 486 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 6: Dinner and he'll tell someone about Joshua's story, right, or 487 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 6: whatever we can do to let people know about this illness. 488 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 8: The screening is so simple. 489 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:01,600 Speaker 6: When your child goes for a file like an eight 490 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:05,760 Speaker 6: to ten dollars, your analysis can detect protein in their urine. 491 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 9: Why can we do this? Yeah? 492 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:10,399 Speaker 8: And when I say why don't we do this? 493 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 6: I don't mean people, why doesn't Why isn't this just 494 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 6: a normal part of it? 495 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 9: Every year's physical is not right anymore. 496 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 6: So thank you for mentioning that, and thank you for 497 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 6: being so supportive when you guys send me you're sweet 498 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 6: you know, reminders or positive notes or texts. I really 499 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 6: it really means a lot to me and my family. 500 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Jamie. 501 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:34,080 Speaker 2: You know, I know you listen to Facing Evil and 502 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,920 Speaker 2: you know at the end of every episode we always 503 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: end with an emua. Right, how you know people ourselves 504 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 2: can move onward and upward? What is your emua? What 505 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 2: is your purpose? You know in your life? 506 00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 3: If you could just share a little bit with us. 507 00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 6: Oh wow, that is a that's a great question. When 508 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 6: you guys told us you wanted to do this positive. 509 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 6: At the end, I remember thinking that is awesome. People 510 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 6: just hear such a heavy story and it gives them 511 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 6: the opportunity to see hope and light. 512 00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, I would say for me, I. 513 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 6: Look at my life as I believe that we are 514 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,920 Speaker 6: all put here for a purpose, and I think that 515 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 6: my purpose is advocacy, is connecting people, and I want 516 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 6: to live out that purpose with my life. I want 517 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 6: to live a life that means something and that touches others. 518 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 6: It's really important to me, so I hope that I'm 519 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 6: doing that. 520 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: You are, Jamie. 521 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 4: You are, and you're inspiring others to do that, and 522 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 4: you inspired me an evet before we ever got to. 523 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 5: Hug you and everyone, Jamie gives the best hug. 524 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 4: I mean I just say that right now, Like you know, 525 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 4: like when you're like you fall so in love with 526 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:03,200 Speaker 4: a human and you're like you just want to wrap 527 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 4: your arms around them, and then like if they give 528 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 4: you a week hug, you're like, ooh. 529 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 5: I didn't what's happening. 530 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 4: No, Jamie is all love and light and a little 531 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 4: bit of spice, Oh a lot of spice, I shall say, Like, 532 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 4: oh my god. 533 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 9: Jamie is the best combination of everything. 534 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,240 Speaker 4: Yes, yes, because we know, we know it's not always perfect, 535 00:29:26,280 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 4: it's not always sunny, it's not always light and love. 536 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 4: But if you lead with that, you know, that's that's 537 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 4: I think that's how we can all make the world 538 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:38,640 Speaker 4: a better place, right. 539 00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 6: Absolutely, Yeah, that's I think it's it's we're all putt here, 540 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 6: in my opinion, for a purpose, and it's not about 541 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 6: to me, money can't buy happiness and peace and love. 542 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 6: It's about what we do with our time here. And 543 00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 6: I feel very, like I said earlier, very blessed that 544 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 6: whether I'm at the center, conducting a forensic interview or 545 00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,200 Speaker 6: working on a podcast, I feel like what I'm doing 546 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 6: I hope is you know, it is with all my heart, 547 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 6: and I hope that it is making that difference. 548 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 4: So yeah, Jamie, every word that you said today, I 549 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 4: know has inspired me, has inspired Yvette, and I have 550 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:26,480 Speaker 4: no doubt will inspire every single Facing Evil listener. Thank 551 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 4: you Mahalo Nuiloa for being a part of today. Onward 552 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 4: and Upward, Emma. 553 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 2: Well that is our show for today. Thank you again, 554 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 2: Mahalo Nuiloa. Jamie Albright, the one and only. We love 555 00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 2: you so much. 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