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Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbo. Pull that for me. I'm

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Speaker 1: a man, I'm for it. I've heard so many players say, well,

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Speaker 1: I want to be happy. You want to be happy

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Speaker 1: for a day? Eat the state?

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Speaker 2: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Woo woom? And then and tie.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Saladurbo. Boys and girls. My name

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Speaker 2: is Ti Hildenbrand. That guy over there Dan Rubinstein, and

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Speaker 2: it is Sinco de Mayo.

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Speaker 1: Daniel, how are you? I'm great, always love Single to

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Speaker 1: Mayo always. I never need a reason to eat delicious

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Speaker 1: food or celebrate the Mexican army's battle over the French

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Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty two in the Battle of Puebla. As

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Speaker 1: we all know and have come to understand. Sure by

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Speaker 1: the way, have had friends spend time in Puebla, the

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Speaker 1: state of I believe it's a state. Loved it, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: loved it. Yeah. I mean that's where Poleblano. If you

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Speaker 1: are Poblana, if you are from Puebla, that's what you

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Speaker 1: are known as their Poblano Pepper's. So I always happy

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Speaker 1: with single to Mayo. Usually it's a warm time of year,

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Speaker 1: so happy we get to talk about Graham Hertz or

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Speaker 1: whatever we're doing today. So uh, yeah, I always always

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Speaker 2: We used to go to a party in the parking

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Speaker 2: lot of the local Chilis.

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Speaker 1: Okay, the authentic Sinkle.

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Speaker 2: Demyo experience in the lee have Alle eastern Pennsylvania, I've

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Speaker 2: since outgrown that. I don't do that. I haven't done

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Speaker 1: That's about as good as we can do. Chili's is

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Speaker 1: the best Mexican food, you know.

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Speaker 2: No, no, it's not the best Mexican food, but that's the

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Speaker 2: that was the best Sinko de Mayo Mexican party.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, do you have a Mexican place that

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Speaker 1: you like?

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Speaker 2: I have a number of areasking places though? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Do you have a set order?

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Speaker 2: Not really? No, okay? And I should point out that

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Speaker 2: you and I will be together in New York City

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Speaker 1: Mind the lines at Los Tacos number one, the lines

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Speaker 1: at cas Enrique, all of the best that New York

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Speaker 1: be pretty strong. Okay, good to know, good to know.

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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back into the Solid Verbal.

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Speaker 2: Today's a continuation of the show we dropped on Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: On Tuesday, we talked about oh yeah please, what's blurry?

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Speaker 2: What's in focus post spring games? And on the last

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Speaker 2: we talked about Alabama, about Florida, Ohio State, virgin attack

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Speaker 2: we start with a defending champion Georgia Bulldogs.

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Speaker 1: Let's why don't we start with Georgia Bulldogs.

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Speaker 2: Georgia Bulldogs broke their championship drought by knocking off Alabama.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that the continuity exists even with Dan

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Speaker 1: Lanning going to Oregon, it's a It's a terrific sign

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Speaker 2: This is a weird set up for the falls.

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Speaker 2: So they're doing construction on Neiland Stadium right now, Okay,

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Speaker 2: He's clearly going to be the focal point of this offense.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Not really a problem for Tennessee last year on either front.

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Speaker 2: I think Tennessee is in a good place.

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Speaker 2: I know this team is not without questions. I hope

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Speaker 1: How long has Hendon Hooker been a college football player.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Mark Helfrich recruited Hendon Hooker to Oregon.

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Speaker 2: Why don't we go to your favorite team, my favorite team,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, we'll see, right.

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Speaker 1: in a lot of cases, the offense was putrid, Right,

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Speaker 1: the offense was putrid.

435
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Speaker 2: And we should have known from day one. We should

436
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Speaker 2: have known when they lost to Montana in Week one

437
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 2: that offense was going to be this big of a problem.

438
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Speaker 1: We didn't.

439
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 2: It was week one and I remember going into that

440
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 2: Michigan game, the road tilt against Michigan. We talked to

441
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Speaker 2: our friend Tim Murray. I hope Tim doesn't mind me

442
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 2: calling him out, please, but he and I were in

443
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: the same boat. We're like, oh, wow, that was an aberration.

444
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: Washington's still pretty good, right, it should be solid. Folks

445
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: were really going in on Washington ahead of that game,

446
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Speaker 2: and they lost by twenty one on the road at Michigan.

447
00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,040
Speaker 2: That game was not even close. They were so bad

448
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 2: at stopping the run. That was their one ward on defense.

449
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,040
Speaker 2: Decent enough defense, yeah, but when he went up against

450
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Speaker 2: a team like Michigan that could really run the rock,

451
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Speaker 2: that was a problem. Yeah.

452
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Speaker 1: You couldn't really throw in Washington all that Well. The

453
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: pass rush wasn't crazy good, but the guys in the

454
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Speaker 1: secondary were nails.

455
00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:39,639
Speaker 2: The secondary was so good. Yeah, So Kalin de Bor's

456
00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: got his work cut out for him going into this season.

457
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Speaker 2: And like you said, was so much change in the

458
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: Pac twelve. The opportunity is there to be competent and

459
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Speaker 2: be successful and still win like eight games. But sure

460
00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 2: there's there are more questions than answers.

461
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Speaker 1: I wonder, I wonder what kind of juice is behind

462
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Speaker 1: the Washington program. This is like an so what is

463
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: lection point? This is a juice inflection point for a

464
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:07,440
Speaker 1: lot of programs who look at themselves as a program

465
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 1: who should at their best win ten plus games, which

466
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,160
Speaker 1: Washington has done at their best in the last decade.

467
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: Inflection point as it relates to nil and collectives and modernizing.

468
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: Washington is in the same region of the country as

469
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Speaker 1: Oregon and the same conference as USC. Both Oregon and

470
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Speaker 1: USC and Utah just because of their winning ways have

471
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Speaker 1: juice within the conference. Does Washington want to do what

472
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Speaker 1: it takes? Because Washington is a state with a lot

473
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Speaker 1: of talent, Like there's a good amount of talent in

474
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Speaker 1: the state of Washington. It's an underrated state in terms

475
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 1: of producing guys. They can't keep any of them home.

476
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Speaker 1: What is Washington doing? Are they a serious program? Willing

477
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: to spend money looking to whip up its donor base

478
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: into a frenzy. And I could see them if they're not,

479
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: you know, chips to to the middle of the table,

480
00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 1: being sort of left behind as a decent program but

481
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Speaker 1: one that's not serious.

482
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Speaker 2: I wonder that's all if Washington gets left behind. And

483
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Speaker 2: here's sort of my question about this, Yeah, who steps

484
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 2: up to fill that void in the PAC.

485
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,560
Speaker 1: Twelve Eastern Washington.

486
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Speaker 2: Oh, it feels like there are a lot of teams

487
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Speaker 2: outside of Oregon. It feels like there are a lot

488
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Speaker 2: of teams that kind of could fall into that same

489
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 2: category in the pack towall. That's part of what makes

490
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Speaker 2: it so interesting right now.

491
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Speaker 1: I mean, if I had to guess in terms of

492
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Speaker 1: who is like seeming to be aggressive in this way, Arizona,

493
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: like just in the way that they're hitting the portal,

494
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,679
Speaker 1: in the way that they're hitting the recruiting trail, that isn't.

495
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Speaker 1: I mean, Washington is in a much better place as

496
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Speaker 1: a program than Arizona. But I don't think it's calor Stanford.

497
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,880
Speaker 1: Oregon State I think is going to be dangerous ish,

498
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 1: but I don't think they're fully committed and have the

499
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Speaker 1: money and the sort of infrastructure to do it resources.

500
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Speaker 1: So it's not Colorado. It doesn't seem like it's UCLA.

501
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: Maybe it is, but I don't don't know. It just

502
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,160
Speaker 1: seems like they're happy to hit a bit of a ceiling.

503
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,959
Speaker 1: So my guess is Arizona. But I just don't think

504
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: it's going to exist. I think it's just right now.

505
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: It's a three horse situation in Utah, USC and Oregon.

506
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's interesting, that's interesting. I mean I like the

507
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: hire of Kaalin de Borwi. How do I we know

508
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 2: that he's really strong offensively and this was a team

509
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 2: that was anything but in twenty twenty one in and

510
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: of itself. Like that point alone, I think should give

511
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 2: fans some optimism. But sure, there are a lot of

512
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:34,119
Speaker 2: questions to go around here, A lot of questions go

513
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 2: around about this team. A lot of it is.

514
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:40,240
Speaker 1: Blurry, Yeah, completely blurry, and just I don't know. It

515
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like there's a lot of energy around the

516
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: program right now. As much as I do like that

517
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: higher it's is Washington in or out. That's all. Let's

518
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: talk about UNC.

519
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, to go back across our great land here to

520
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 2: Chapel Hill, North Carolina. Mac Brown finds himself in a

521
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 2: very interesting spot. Now, North Carolina had four guys drafted

522
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:11,880
Speaker 2: from its offense, including Sam Howell, who went a lot lower.

523
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: I think Sam how went what fifth round yep, fifth

524
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: round pick. Sam Howe went a lot lower than expected.

525
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: Like a year ago when folks were talking him up

526
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 2: as potentially the first overall pick. It did not happen.

527
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: Sam Howe does get drafted, as do a couple other

528
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: guys off that offense, and mac Brown is now in

529
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: the unenviable spot where he needs to replace a guy

530
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 2: who is a three year starter. You lose a guy

531
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Speaker 2: like that, and the replacement situation is always a little blurry.

532
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 2: And I hate to be too cliche with my analysis here,

533
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 2: but that's really where we're at with North Carolina. The

534
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 2: question of that quarterback spot, I think, is going to

535
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 2: dictate a lot.

536
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 1: Off the bat.

537
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Speaker 2: It's a two man rais, It's going to be a

538
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 2: two man rays. Two men in this case are Jacolebi, Chriswell,

539
00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: and Drake May Yep. Each of the little brother right,

540
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: that's correct, Yeah, each of them a little different. Chriswell's

541
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: a junior and his comp coming out of high school

542
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 2: was Sam Howe, which is weird. Yeah, Drake May redshirt

543
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 2: freshman legacy kid. His comp was Sam Bradford. So we

544
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,960
Speaker 2: got two four star kids here, both of which, at

545
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: least at time of recruiting had pretty good upside.

546
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Speaker 1: And we'll see.

547
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can really gauge one way

548
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,720
Speaker 2: or the other. Who's got the edge. Chriswell had more

549
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:37,919
Speaker 2: moments in the spring game. He connected better with Josh Downs,

550
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 2: who is still kind of an autopilot and awesome.

551
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a breakout ridiculous town and he's incredible.

552
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 2: So maybe that's gonna be as good as it gets

553
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 2: right now in spring For us to just say that

554
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 2: Chriswell connected better with Josh Downs and Josh Downs is

555
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:54,120
Speaker 2: going to be really good.

556
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

557
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: You know, they didn't really give too much way with

558
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: respect to where things go, and that's of the ball.

559
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,719
Speaker 2: Especially with their quarterback position. It's an open question at

560
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: who's starting at quarterback running backs. Seems like it's set

561
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 2: we know about Josh Downs. Defensively, a lot of guys

562
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 2: were out. I think another talking point as we get

563
00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: closer to the season will be that gene Chiswick is

564
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:19,439
Speaker 2: now the new defensive coordinator to my knowledge, still has

565
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: not grown sideburns. No curious to see what the defense

566
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 2: looks like. Tony Grimes is a name at cornerback. I've

567
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 2: seen his name thrown about as a potential first round

568
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 2: draft pick coming up next year in the twenty twenty

569
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: three draft cornerback. They need to get more out of him.

570
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: He's good, he's got talent, but they need to get

571
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: more out of him. So a lot in flux. Frankly,

572
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,560
Speaker 2: for North Carolina, it wasn't a great campaign last year.

573
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: They had lost a ton from the previous year's team.

574
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 2: You'll recall on offense, like four big time contributors at

575
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: wide out, at running back, all those guys go pro.

576
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 2: And Sam Hollis sort of there on his own island

577
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: did admirably to the best of his ability, but it

578
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 2: just wasn't enough. So I'm gonna say this, I believe

579
00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:05,959
Speaker 2: there is talent there, but I feel like whenever you

580
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: lose that veteran quarterback, a lot more than just quarterback

581
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: is blury.

582
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So this past year, the class of twenty two

583
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: was eleventh nationally, fourteenth the year before that, uh, and

584
00:29:16,560 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: it looks like fourteenth as well in twenty twenty. So

585
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: we've now strung together three top fifteen classes, including a

586
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 1: good amount of blue chip defensive talent. That's what recruiting's for.

587
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: At a certain point, you can't say we keep losing

588
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:35,560
Speaker 1: a lot of guys. Okay, that's what recruits for. That's

589
00:29:35,560 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: what the portal's for. And so I don't think mac

590
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: Brown is necessarily on the hot seat, but they shouldn't

591
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: be fielding, you know, the number ninety seven, the number

592
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: one hundred and four ranked defense, given what they've been

593
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: able to do in terms of talent acquisition. So I

594
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: just I think we got to start asking some questions.

595
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: And is Jean Hizzick the dude to get them a

596
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: top forty defense? Probably?

597
00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: So, Jean Chiswick was there a couple of years ago

598
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 2: and he's now back officially as the defensive coordinator, So

599
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: it's a second tour of duty. Is he the answer?

600
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: He got them from bad to okay ish once? But

601
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: is that good enough when you recruit top fifteen classes

602
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 1: three straight years? I don't know.

603
00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see talent is there. Yeah, But

604
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 2: the assembly, the construction of this roster I think is

605
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 2: very much in flux and in the void of not

606
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,280
Speaker 2: having a lot of information out there on North Carolina.

607
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: It's just not there, Dan, Right, it's hard to really

608
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,760
Speaker 2: say one way or the other. What's in focus, what's not?

609
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: We know some of the names.

610
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 1: That's about it, all right, Fair enough? Where do you

611
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: want to go next?

612
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: Why don't we close out this spring snapshot conversation by

613
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 2: talking about the Wisconsin Badgers? Dan, the Badgers, I aren't

614
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: a fascinated by Wisconsin. I am fascinated because you'll recall,

615
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: for a hot minute, for a hot minute, we did

616
00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 2: a video that we posted on YouTube that people didn't

617
00:30:59,920 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: like about Caleb Williams potentially going to Wisconsin.

618
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

619
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Speaker 2: Can you imagine, Yeah, can you imagine what that would

620
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:11,920
Speaker 2: have been like in our neck of the woods if

621
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: Wisconsin landed him, Well.

622
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 1: I would have hoped they would have also landed Mario

623
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: Williams and Jordan Addison. Because there's a lot about the

624
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: Wisconsin offense and look, every year we're gonna get the

625
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: same uh, well, maybe about a receiver room that seems

626
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 1: to have guys who were just not that great at

627
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: getting open and catching passes downfield. It's a new offensive

628
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: coordinator Bobby ingram As mentioned, is it you know? I

629
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: think it's Jim Ray d Kay and Skyler Bell two

630
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 1: of the guys that are like the Newish guys. Jake

631
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: Ferguson's gone. Who was that that dependable dude? Pro Grammars

632
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: at tight end? You know, the running back room is thinner,

633
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 1: but it's brayln Allen's job. He's a big dude. Who

634
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: should you know, be a thousand yard rusher behind a

635
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: pretty experienced offensive line. Just the questions remain, the blurdiness

636
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: of the passing game. And Graham Mertz like he's unquestionably

637
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: the guy. Is that a good thing? I don't know.

638
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I'm confident in this defense. They

639
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,880
Speaker 1: lost key to you know, Jack Sanmborn's gone at linebacker.

640
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: They lose key dudes a linebacker, but it's Jim Lennard defense.

641
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: They've recruited and developed. They're gonna be dudes. You know,

642
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: there's a couple of big pieces missing from last year

643
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:22,840
Speaker 1: on the defensive line, but they're confident in guys that

644
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 1: are going to step up. Who had rotation time. You know,

645
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: we'll see in the secondary, but it's been a strength

646
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,959
Speaker 1: on their Jim Leonard, understandably so given his background coaching safety.

647
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: So the question remains is how do they start the

648
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: season after, you know, having nightmare games against Michigan and

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame pretty early on last year? And if they

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Speaker 1: need to score thirty one points to win a game?

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Speaker 1: Is that reasonable to expect from a team with now

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Speaker 1: a quarterback who has started for years and years, who

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Speaker 1: came in with a good amount of hype. I don't

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Speaker 1: know if it's fair. I mean, they they won what

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Speaker 1: seven straight after losing the games that they lost last year?

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Speaker 1: They lose I don't know, if you have their schedule

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Speaker 1: in front of me. I think it was Minnesota. They

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Speaker 1: lose comfortably too, and that kept them out of the

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Speaker 1: Big Ten championship game. But no, the blurriness is, you know,

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Speaker 1: the quest for thirty one however we want to say it.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think we're just seeing more of

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Speaker 1: the same. Unless Bobby Ingram is a wizard, which maybe

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Speaker 1: he is, Well that's my question. But you still got

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Speaker 1: to hit receivers in stride, and Bobby Ingram can only

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Speaker 1: do so much. That's my question.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, my question for Wisconsin is what can we do slash?

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Speaker 2: What will they do right to make this team feel

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Speaker 2: different from all the Wisconsin teams of years past. They

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Speaker 2: all kind of feel the same. There's a Groundhog Day

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Speaker 2: quality Wisconsin in that they want to beat your brains

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Speaker 2: in running the football, they want to have great line,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna play play action, they're gonna have a sound defense,

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Speaker 2: and they're gonna grind it out and they're gonna beat

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Speaker 2: you right. And that's been a pretty successful formula to

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Speaker 2: get to all in ten wins, especially in the Big

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Speaker 2: Ten West. But I think wis content. At least WI

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Speaker 2: was consent. Fans that listen to this show are hungry

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Speaker 2: for more. Enough already, let's get over this hump. Now.

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Speaker 2: Here's what's interesting. If you look at the schedule this

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Speaker 2: coming year, Wisconsin goes on the road to square off

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Speaker 2: against Ohio State, Michigan State, Iowa, and Nebraska. That's not

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Speaker 2: the easiest no road schedule in the Big Ten. They

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Speaker 2: don't have to play Penn State, they don't have to

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Speaker 2: play Michigan during the regular season. That's good, but that's

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Speaker 2: not the easiest road schedule. They also start off the

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Speaker 2: year against Washington State. Who knows what to make of that.

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Speaker 2: It's in camp ran right, but I guess that's their

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Speaker 2: second game of the year, not counting Illinois State Labor

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Speaker 2: Day weekend. But all saying is I kind of feel

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Speaker 2: like we're at a bit of a juice in inflection

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Speaker 2: point with Wisconsin.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I think you're right.

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Speaker 2: You know, if we want to talk about Washington, Washington,

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Speaker 2: excuse me, Yeah, we should also talk a little bit

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Speaker 2: about Wisconsin. These are programs in different spots. I think

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Speaker 2: Paul Chris is in any danger of losing his gig.

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Speaker 2: But I know from the people that listen to this

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Speaker 2: show who comment on the Badgers, they are hungry for

699
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Speaker 2: that next level. If not now when got a great

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Speaker 2: young running back, talent is always seemingly there along the lines.

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Speaker 2: We've got a quarterback who I remember when Graham Mertz

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Speaker 2: came to his first game when he threw however, five touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: whatever the heck it was against Illinois.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, up the middle to the tight end, over and over. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I remember that all too well, and that dream has

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Speaker 2: yet to fully be realized.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, he immediately got COVID after that game, got COVID.

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Speaker 2: Which doesn't help.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, but we still have not.

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Speaker 2: Seen that level of potential from.

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Speaker 1: From him.

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Speaker 2: So I'm I don't like, when is this thing finally

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Speaker 2: going to break out? When is Wisconsin finally going to

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Speaker 2: live up to the hype of being this juggernaut in

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Speaker 2: the Big Ten West that could potentially contend in a

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Speaker 2: real way against Ohio State, whoever from the East.

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Speaker 1: Look, it's thirteen points a game and they're four losses

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Speaker 1: Penn State, Michigan, Notre Dame, and Minnesota. Thirteen points a game.

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Speaker 1: Just yeah, to be plainly obvious, it's nowhere near good

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Speaker 1: enough in a losing effort that you can point to

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Speaker 1: the pick sixes, you can point to the stalling, you

722
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Speaker 1: can point to the red zone, you can point to

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Speaker 1: any number of issues. But it's that this offense to

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Speaker 1: the good teams, to the better teams in the conference

725
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Speaker 1: has become pretty predictable and obvious. And so I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I hope it is that that Bobby Ingram adds something

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Speaker 1: to the DNA of Wisconsin, but I don't know how

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Speaker 1: dramatic it can be. And they could still win ten

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Speaker 1: games and we could still be having this conversation.

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Speaker 2: So they can win ten games in the schedule for sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, good place to be that you are leaving a

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Speaker 1: lot on the table and still I mean it's sort

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Speaker 1: of the Big ten West Way where despite glaring issues,

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Speaker 1: you can win a ton.

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Speaker 2: Dan. Those are our teams here. Okay, first spring snapshots

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Speaker 2: again for folks listening to this on Thursday. We recorded

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Speaker 2: this earlier in the week at Present on Sinkle DeMaio,

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Speaker 2: Dan and I are in the same location and we're

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Speaker 2: going to be recording our bruine in person on Friday,

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Speaker 2: so you can go on out there for Ballers dot

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Speaker 2: our homecoming of sorts, going back to New York. Is

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Speaker 2: this the first time you've been back to New York

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Speaker 2: since COVID, it's first time back. Yeah, I have a

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Speaker 2: number of places I want to eat at, neighborhoods and

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Speaker 2: friends i'd like to see. I'm there for work. We

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Speaker 2: have some stuff to do behind the scenes, but it's

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Speaker 2: my first time back. I'm quite excited. It looks like

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Speaker 2: the weather will be decent.

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Speaker 1: So oh, you know, the circumstances by which of which

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Speaker 1: with which we left were obviously quite strange at the

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Speaker 1: beginning of COVID, But yeah, I identify as somebody who

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Speaker 1: loved my time in New York for about eight years,

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Speaker 1: so I'm pumped. I'm pumped to see you for the

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Speaker 1: first time in a couple of years. I'm gonna give

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Speaker 1: you a big awkward hug and uh man, just get

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Speaker 1: on the train.

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Speaker 2: It's been I New Yorker for like the next couple

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Speaker 2: of days.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be great. I cannot wait to see you

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Speaker 1: for the first time because we saw each other right

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Speaker 1: before COVID.

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Speaker 2: It right before COVID, around the time Korean barment. I

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Speaker 2: had it, remember that, I was convinced. I'm still convinced

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Speaker 2: I had it, But yeah, we saw it right as

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Speaker 2: this whole thing was kicking up, and we were on

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Speaker 2: the train and there was a guy coughing his long

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Speaker 2: down correct. I remember just sort of looking and uh

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Speaker 2: inchiga away from him, unsure of where things were at

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Speaker 2: in the world at that time.

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Speaker 1: Simpler times, much simpler times. Okay, well, look.

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Speaker 2: That does it for today's show, a little bit shorter,

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Speaker 2: but we did want to get these five teams out

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Speaker 2: of the way. Don't forget to go on out to

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Speaker 2: Verballers dot com if you want to catch that show

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Speaker 2: Are we gonna do a five and seven show? Is

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Speaker 2: that the plan?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Why not?

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Speaker 2: It'll be after five seven, But it's fine.

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Speaker 1: That's okay.

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Speaker 2: We'll do our five and seven shows. We've been going

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Speaker 1: I've got a very strange idea for a spring show,

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Speaker 1: as we can turn into a specific I texted you

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Speaker 1: about it, a very specific part of the entertainment calendar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I noticed that as the weather gets warmer, I'm in.

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Speaker 2: I think I'm into that. I mean, no idea is

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Speaker 2: off limits at this point. It's May.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all for.

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