WEBVTT - The Karol Markowicz Show: The Power of Intentionality with Scott Bertram 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:09.960 Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:14.200 Last episode, I talked about how everything seems to get 0:00:14.240 --> 0:00:19.280 crazier as we head toward an election season and more contentious. 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:19.959 Obviously. 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:22.079 You know, a friend once said to me that she 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:25.480 wished Thanksgiving was at right around election. Things would get 0:00:25.520 --> 0:00:28.480 tents in her house, things might get tents in yours. 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:33.080 Last time I focused on social media, and I would 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:36.639 say again that social media is a trap for this 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:40.199 kind of thing. My top suggestion is to keep your 0:00:40.320 --> 0:00:44.839 politics off Facebook. Not one mind has ever been changed 0:00:44.880 --> 0:00:49.160 on there. All the arguments accomplished is divide old friends. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.640 And look, Facebook's just not made for arguments. It's made 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.840 for seeing pictures of your coworker, you know, three jobs ago, 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:01.440 their newborn baby. Use it for that, because you inevitably 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.560 end up getting into a fight with the coworker of 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.600 your best friend from middle school. What's the point? But what 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:11.080 about your real life? What about the aunt who needles you, 0:01:11.200 --> 0:01:14.640 or the cousin who loves bringing up January sixth at 0:01:14.640 --> 0:01:17.760 every dinner. What about the neighbor with the in this 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.920 house sign. I'm not going to tell you that people 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:23.640 like that don't annoy me too, of course they do. 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:27.280 Try not to be one of those. This is a 0:01:27.319 --> 0:01:30.960 show about living better and not blowing up your family 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:34.640 around election time is an example of that. One solution 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:39.320 I enjoy is to approach arguments with humor. No one 0:01:39.480 --> 0:01:43.559 is open to learning anything be serious, so at least 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:45.880 try to make it funny. The other thing is no 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:50.280 personal attacks. If you can't have a spirited debate, argument, 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:55.480 even yelling match without avoiding personal shots, politics is not 0:01:55.640 --> 0:01:58.720 the game for you. I even follow that on Twitter. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:03.160 I unfollow or block anybody who's rude to me. I 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.600 don't accept any of that, and I don't name call, 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:10.040 and that's very hard for me to do. But I 0:02:10.080 --> 0:02:12.679 find that blocking people who I want to day Paul 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:18.799 really helps. Finally, I have a friend started ending his disagreements, 0:02:19.000 --> 0:02:22.679 not just about politics, but all arguments with maybe you're right. 0:02:23.120 --> 0:02:26.440 He said he felt better just walking away from someone 0:02:26.639 --> 0:02:31.320 instead of continuing the argument, and maybe not Definitely you're 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:34.080 right got the job done. This would actually drive me 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.000 absolutely bananas if someone said it to me, so really 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:41.320 it's a win win switching gears. I'm quickly coming up 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:44.760 on the one year anniversary of this podcast. Which is 0:02:45.000 --> 0:02:48.800 crazy to me. Longtime listeners know. I ask all of 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:52.760 my guests three questions. I ask number one, what is 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:56.280 our largest cultural problem? Number two, whether they think they've 0:02:56.280 --> 0:02:58.920 made it? And number three for them to offer a 0:02:58.960 --> 0:03:01.919 tip for my listeners on how to improve their lives. 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:04.880 At the one year mark, I'm planning to switch up 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:08.280 some or maybe all of these. Send in your suggestions 0:03:08.280 --> 0:03:12.000 for questions. I love hearing from listeners. The email is 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.720 Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com. It's spelled k 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:21.040 A r O l m A r KOWI c asn't 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:26.000 Charlie ZS and Zebra show at gmail dot com. Coming 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:29.000 up next an interview with Scott Bertram. Join us after 0:03:29.040 --> 0:03:29.480 the break. 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.440 Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.000 guest today is Scott Bertram. Scott is a lecturer in 0:03:40.080 --> 0:03:43.560 journalism and general manager of the student radio station at 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:46.840 Hillsdale College. He's also the co host of both the 0:03:46.840 --> 0:03:50.800 Political Beats podcast and Wasn't That Special Fifty Years of 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.480 Saturday Night Live. Hi Scott, so nice to. 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.080 Have you on, Carol. It's great to be here. I'm 0:03:56.120 --> 0:03:57.160 honored to be invited. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:00.240 So I think back to the first time that we 0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:04.120 really like. We didn't meet because it was online, but 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.960 I was on Political Beats talking about one of my 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:11.600 favorite bands, Pulp, and you were so polite about how 0:04:11.680 --> 0:04:12.839 much you did not like them. 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:18.400 I would not say that necessarily other why I remember it. 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:21.719 There are levels of like and dislike, and we've done 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.960 one hundred and thirty episodes at this point in the program, 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:28.919 so various bands and artists are like more than others. 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.480 I wouldn't put Pulp in the top half, but I 0:04:33.880 --> 0:04:36.400 didn't dislike them. It was a fun show. 0:04:37.080 --> 0:04:40.360 So which band did you dislike the most on your 0:04:40.440 --> 0:04:41.640 Political Beats journey? 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:45.800 Oh, you know, it's probably it's certainly one that Jeff, 0:04:45.880 --> 0:04:48.480 my co host, has brought to the table. I'm sure 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:52.479 Jeff has a Jeff is a big post punk fan, 0:04:52.720 --> 0:04:56.880 and some of those bands don't quite hold up, hold 0:04:56.960 --> 0:04:59.840 up and coordinate with my tastes. Although you know what 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.839 it might be, It might be Nine Inch Nails. 0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:05.440 Really I love Nine Inch Nails. 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:08.320 Was not a band that I could throw my arms 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:13.000 around and embrace, and that's probably the band I had 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:16.960 the most difficult time listening to the entire discography. Yeah, 0:05:17.160 --> 0:05:20.479 trying to have takes on Nine Inch Nails. Thankfully for 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.040 that episode. Jane Cousten was our guest for the episode, 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:28.040 and Jane and Jeff loved nine Inch Nails so much. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.360 I didn't have to talk hardly at all. That might 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:34.039 be the episode in which I talked Belieft any of 0:05:34.040 --> 0:05:35.520 our episodes, so it worked out. Okay. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.480 Still, i'd say nine Inch Nails. I don't know. If 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.320 I listened to it right now for the first time, 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:42.760 I don't know that i'd be like, Oh, Trent Reznor, 0:05:42.839 --> 0:05:46.120 he's amazing. But you know, when you're seventeen years old 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:48.640 or twenty years old or something and like driving around 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:52.360 and playing head like a hole, it's great, so good. 0:05:53.880 --> 0:05:56.640 So and then we met for real for the first 0:05:56.640 --> 0:06:00.000 time when I did a fellowship at Hillsdale last week, 0:06:00.600 --> 0:06:04.120 and I loved meeting you, and I really loved my 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.440 time there. How long have you been in Hillsdale. 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:08.840 I've been here eight and a half years of the 0:06:09.040 --> 0:06:10.159 nine years in January. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:15.760 Amazing. I just thought it was such an amazing place. 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:18.480 I was impressed by it on every level. I mean, 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.960 the students are amazing. I've raved about it on the 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.720 show before, so this is none of this is new 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:25.119 But how did you end up there? 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:29.800 I ended up here by happenstance. I was not looking 0:06:29.880 --> 0:06:32.680 for a job change or a new job at all. 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:36.120 I was working as a morning host at a program 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.080 director at a radio station in Rockford, Illinois. Had worked 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:44.640 previously in Chicago, and I was not looking for a job. 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:48.359 But I was a reader of National Review and National 0:06:48.400 --> 0:06:52.279 Review Online. And John J. Miller, who's now my boss, 0:06:52.320 --> 0:06:55.360 oh great at Hillsdale, and I was also on the 0:06:55.440 --> 0:07:00.400 masthead at National Review, posted this job opening at Hillsdale 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:03.719 and it was for the very first general manager of 0:07:03.800 --> 0:07:06.840 the student radio station here, which they were just starting up, 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:10.600 and also to teach in the journalism department. And I 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.120 looked at it and I thought, if I were to 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:18.720 change jobs, that would be one that would really interest me. 0:07:19.680 --> 0:07:22.720 And the more I looked into it, it was just 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.400 it was a perfect fit. And I hesitate to tell 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.160 the story, but I will anyway do it. I went 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:32.400 home to my wife and we had a At that 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:36.320 point my son was to My daughter was not even 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:39.640 one yet when this conversation, and we lived pretty close 0:07:39.680 --> 0:07:41.760 to my parents in Chicago, and her family was in 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.320 the Rockford area. And I went home and I said, 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:50.440 look at this job, and I have to ask you, 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.560 would you be willing to move to Michigan for this 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:56.000 job if it meant that you could stay home? At 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.520 that point we were both working for a time. It 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:00.640 means you can stay home and be farther from your family. 0:08:01.200 --> 0:08:03.560 But this is a real question. This is not some 0:08:03.600 --> 0:08:06.760 sort of hypothetical because if I apply for this job, 0:08:07.560 --> 0:08:10.120 I'm going to get this job. I'm going to get 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:13.000 paid for you. Yeah, it's made. So she read the 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:14.800 description and I said, what do you think She said, 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:16.280 they would have saved a lot of ink by just 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:19.160 writing their you know, job for Scott Bertram, because it 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:22.680 was it was perfectly aligned with what I wanted to 0:08:22.720 --> 0:08:26.280 do and where my skill set is. And and I 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.360 did get it, which is, you know, the happy end 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.080 of the story. But it was I was not planning 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.240 to move, It was not planning to change jobs. It 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:34.920 worked out for the best, clearly. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.680 I mean, it was clearly meant for you. So how 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.240 was it moving from a city to I mean, do 0:08:40.240 --> 0:08:42.160 you consider Hillsdale like a rural area? 0:08:42.360 --> 0:08:42.520 Oh? 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.520 Yes, Like for me, it's I felt like it was 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:47.559 pretty rural, but I wasn't. Yeah, So what was. 0:08:47.520 --> 0:08:49.880 That move like, Yeah, Hillsdale's a ton of about eight 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:53.120 thousand during the school year, a little bit fewer when 0:08:53.120 --> 0:08:56.120 the students are gone. My wife is from a tiny 0:08:56.200 --> 0:09:01.480 town near Rockford, population fifteen hun stock that in town, 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.320 those sorts of things, and so in the discussions when 0:09:04.320 --> 0:09:07.920 we were talking about me coming here, they were warning me, now, 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:10.679 you've got to understand how small Hillsdale is, how far 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:12.959 away you are from certain things. And I said, look, 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:15.440 this is a feature. It's not a bug for my wife. 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.440 This is going to be great. And I grew up 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:20.200 out just outside Chicago and the suburbs, worked in Chicago, 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:22.160 and you know, Rockford's a town of one hundred and 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:26.240 fifty thousand metro areas bigger. The older I get, the 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.439 less I really want to be in the in cities 0:09:30.000 --> 0:09:33.440 and where the action is necessarily. So I did not 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:37.040 have any problems at all. My wife loves it here, 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.160 loves the small community, and it's been wonderful for both 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:41.480 us and for the kids. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:43.520 It's so great. How old are your kids. 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:45.600 Now, eleven and nine? 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:47.720 Amazing? Will they be going to Hillsdale? 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:50.520 We'll see, I think they both right now. I mean 0:09:50.559 --> 0:09:52.360 they're eleven and nine, so they might be lying at 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.440 this point, but right now they have indicated they would 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:57.800 love to attend Hillsdale College, so we'll see. 0:09:58.160 --> 0:09:59.880 Yeah, I mean that's I think that's where it has 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:02.920 to go obviously. So do you think do you feel 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:05.520 like you've made it? I mean, you have a job 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:10.200 that was literally designed for you, right. 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:12.439 It would be obscene for me to say no, right, 0:10:12.920 --> 0:10:14.760 this job designed for me that I ended up getting. 0:10:15.480 --> 0:10:18.120 I've had multi multi millionaires in the show be like, no, 0:10:18.200 --> 0:10:20.640 I haven't made it, you know, I've had like just 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:24.439 a range of answers. So there's no right answer if 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.320 you feel like you've made it, or if you still 0:10:26.360 --> 0:10:28.280 have some way to go. 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:30.960 Yeah, I mean, the fear is right if you say, yes, 0:10:31.600 --> 0:10:33.319 you've made it, that there's nothing left to do or 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:36.560 nothing left to accomplish, or you've hit your ceiling. But 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:39.280 I don't feel that way, and I would answer that question. Yes, 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.880 I think I'm in a position where, you know, if 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:45.800 you would have told I always knew I wanted to 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:51.800 do radio and audio and podcasting now from the youngest age, 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:56.559 So to say that I've never worked a day outside 0:10:56.559 --> 0:11:00.560 of the radio industry. In some way shape for incredible 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:07.080 and to be here at Hillsdale with tremendous colleagues, a 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:11.520 fantastic place to work. Obviously, I'm able to work with 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:15.040 our amazing students and help them to improve, to get better, 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.040 watch them succeed when they leave the college. And at 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:21.240 the same time I get to do great things like 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:24.920 I'm also the director of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network, 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.920 so in terms of the college's audio efforts, I'm very 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:31.280 involved there. I host a couple of podcasts for the college, 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.040 the freelance stuff you mentioned. Otherwise, I do fill in 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:37.920 work for a statewide show here in Michigan, so I 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:40.000 still get to sort of scratch that itch of being 0:11:40.080 --> 0:11:44.400 a post which I love. And the main reason I 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.240 say yes is quite literally, once or twice a week. 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:52.000 I wouldn't say I pinched myself. That'd be a lot, 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:54.640 but I have to shake my head and say, how 0:11:55.320 --> 0:12:00.320 did this happen? Where I am so happy with my 0:12:00.480 --> 0:12:03.679 personal life, my family, my wife, my kids, and I 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:08.120 have this job that suits me so perfectly, it really 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.680 fits like a glove. And how did I get so 0:12:10.800 --> 0:12:13.960 lucky to have all those things happen? So, I mean, yeah, that's. 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:16.840 The best feeling when you're like, you know, just so 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:20.600 satisfied with what you have. I don't know, I don't 0:12:20.640 --> 0:12:23.240 know what a better definition of making it would be 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.600 that I think that's that's it. So what would be 0:12:27.080 --> 0:12:29.760 the future or what would be? Actually I have a 0:12:29.760 --> 0:12:32.160 better question, what would be a plan be? You say 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:34.400 you've worked in radio from like day one? What if 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:37.280 you weren't doing this? What would be a different Scott 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:38.040 Bertram Path? 0:12:38.360 --> 0:12:43.360 Yeah, people have asked this, and I don't know. I 0:12:43.400 --> 0:12:47.120 spent most of my youth preparing for a job in radio, 0:12:47.280 --> 0:12:49.160 you know, reading. 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:51.560 And perfect voice, perfect thank you? 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:54.920 Yeah, And so I was. I was a double major 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:58.520 in college. I was broadcast communication and political science and 0:12:58.600 --> 0:13:02.080 so on. Of the obvious answer to that is something 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:05.640 in politics. Would it be actually running for office, which 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.960 I don't think I'm really well suited for, but something 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:14.440 behind the scenes, running a campaign, being a consultant. I 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.520 could potentially see myself doing that in a different life, 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:21.800 but it would not be anywhere near as fulfilling. I 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:25.800 would not be anywhere near as happy. And people have 0:13:25.880 --> 0:13:27.560 asked that, like, what what would be you know, you've 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:29.559 always wanted to do it and you do you're doing 0:13:29.559 --> 0:13:30.880 what you wanted to do, So what would have been 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.400 the backup planet? I'm not sure. I'm not sure. I'm 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:34.439 glad I never had to use it. 0:13:34.600 --> 0:13:36.760 That's that's it. Yeah, I'm just be happy that you 0:13:37.080 --> 0:13:38.719 you never had to execute Plan B. 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:40.120 Yeah. 0:13:40.200 --> 0:13:41.160 Do you like politics? 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.640 I do. It's interesting. I will say this. You know 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.240 you were here on campus at Hillsdale, and there's very 0:13:50.320 --> 0:13:54.880 much an expectation from the outside world. I think that 0:13:54.920 --> 0:14:01.160 the college itself is completely immersed in this world of politics, 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.840 and that's all the discussions that take place on campus 0:14:03.920 --> 0:14:07.920 among faculty or among students, and I hope you would 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.440 agree haven't been here, that that's not really the case. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:17.000 Students are very much involved in their effort to gain knowledge. 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.680 Our professors are very dedicated to teaching them those things 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.200 that they want to know, those things they need to know. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:27.320 We have the common core that the classes that everyone takes, 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.600 and the atmosphere on campus is such that students are 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:33.640 talking to each other. They're likely talking about the book 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:36.160 that they know that everyone else has read on campus. 0:14:36.200 --> 0:14:38.880 They're great books course, so their Western Civilization course that 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.320 everyone has to take. That's where so many conversations take place, 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:48.400 and oddly, in a way, I think I'm less political 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:51.520 since arriving at campus. You know, when I was working 0:14:52.040 --> 0:14:54.880 every day in a talk show, a political based talk show, 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.760 you're really really in change. You're in it every day 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:01.800 and you're talking to people about it every day. And 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.080 there are so many more conversations that take place here 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:08.760 on campus about life and you know, a student's future 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.920 or what they're going to, where they're going to intern, 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.840 or what their likes and dislikes are. Outside of campus. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.000 One of my favorite things to do, which actually helps 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:20.120 me remember students' names, is where they're from. I try 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.680 to connect their name to where they're from and then 0:15:23.560 --> 0:15:26.440 have those conversations about what you know, what's cool in 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.160 their city and what to do when you're there, and 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.360 why would someone want to visit this part of the country, 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:33.320 or you know, you actually have a student right now 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:36.760 who's from Hawaii, so like, wow, that's a long trip 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.200 from Hawaii to miss change of weather a little bit 0:15:40.400 --> 0:15:43.560 a little bit, especially in our Michigan winters. So I mean, 0:15:43.640 --> 0:15:47.000 I'm still very aware. I'm still very clued in. As 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:49.040 I said, I fill in for shows, so you need 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:53.600 to be abreast of the information and I still like it, 0:15:53.640 --> 0:15:56.800 but it's a different way I think than perhaps nine 0:15:56.880 --> 0:15:58.200 years ago before I got here. 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:01.320 Right, it's a different when you're not immersed in it. 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.440 It's it's completely different. I mean, I'm married to somebody 0:16:04.440 --> 0:16:07.360 who's not in the political universe, and you know, a 0:16:07.440 --> 0:16:11.080 week after it hits Twitter, he like, find out some information, 0:16:11.200 --> 0:16:13.400 and I'm like, I'd like to be you. Actually, I 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:14.600 think that that's not bad. 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:18.400 I use my wife in that manner and I say 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:20.000 it to her so it's not a surprise to her, 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:25.520 but she is not as dedicated or clued in to 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:28.200 the to the daily news cycle, and so the best 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.160 way to be Yeah, And so I try to bounce 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.640 thing Golfer sometimes like have you heard about this? Or 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:35.120 is this a big deal? Or is this popping up 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.800 on your Facebook feed? How much do you know about this? 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.000 And it's a good way to sort of take the 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.760 temperature of the no offense that the normies out. 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:47.880 Normy's exactly the norm every day. Yeah, you know. Also 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:51.280 about Hillsdale, I think a lot of colleges train kids 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:55.160 to be activists and Hillsdale does not do that. It's 0:16:55.360 --> 0:16:57.200 and I think people are surprised to find that out. 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.400 I think that they think that, oh, Hillsdale is, you know, 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.960 breeding the conservative activist generation, and I think that they 0:17:04.000 --> 0:17:07.720 really are just educating these kids and letting them bind 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.440 their own path. Again. I was wildly impressed. I talked, 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.199 I've talked about this a lot on the show, just 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:17.919 how mature the kids are, and how well spoken and 0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:22.440 polite and respectful. And I was on campus during the 0:17:23.359 --> 0:17:27.399 real insanity with the you know, pro Talestinian protests on 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.480 other campuses, and how I felt so safe as a 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:34.560 Jew at you know, this Christian college, and it was 0:17:34.600 --> 0:17:37.040 just it was a great experience all around. 0:17:37.440 --> 0:17:39.960 I think, I think one of the greatest attributes that 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:41.960 many of our students have. I don't want to paint 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:45.120 with a overly broad brush, but you know, you say 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:47.080 the word activist, and certainly it's not what we do 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.760 in our journalism apartment, and it's not what the college 0:17:49.840 --> 0:17:53.480 does on the whole. I love that our students are 0:17:53.640 --> 0:18:00.600 so curious. They truly are curious. They ask outstanding questions, 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.480 they want to know about things they don't know. They 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:07.680 want to have the full Hillsdale experience, right, That's why 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.040 they're here. They want to know why things are. They 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.440 want to know, you know, they ask amazing questions of 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.800 guests who are on campus, of professors who are teaching them, 0:18:17.840 --> 0:18:21.639 and I think that's probably my favorite quality of Again, 0:18:21.720 --> 0:18:24.080 I would say a majority, a vast majority of our 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:28.280 students is that they are genuinely curious about the intellectual 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.399 experience and about the world around them. 0:18:31.560 --> 0:18:32.040 Yeah. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.400 Absolutely, we'll be right back with Scott Bertram, But first 0:18:35.600 --> 0:18:37.959 I wanted to tell you a little bit about Saber. 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:42.200 In these uncertain times, rise in crime in America's neighborhoods 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:45.840 endanger the safety of loved ones. 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Is there some part of our culture 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.600 that you're more concerned than others? What's our biggest cultural problem? 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:30.040 I've talked about this with others for at least a 0:20:30.080 --> 0:20:33.919 couple of years, and I'm trying to address it in 0:20:33.960 --> 0:20:37.439 my own way. We have these wonderful program called the 0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:42.680 Collegiate Scholars Program here on campus, and it attempts to 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.159 take the different parts of the college and sort of 0:20:45.400 --> 0:20:48.600 put them together in these unique classes. They're one credit classes, 0:20:48.640 --> 0:20:50.879 so they're not three credit classes. They're meant to be 0:20:50.920 --> 0:20:53.160 small in their own way, but to teach things specifically 0:20:53.240 --> 0:20:56.879 and something I noticed, so I'll do the big thing first. 0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:02.760 My concern is it's a culture that we we don't 0:21:02.760 --> 0:21:07.840 do things together anymore. Outside of the super Bowl. That's 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:12.040 the one overarching thing that hits everybody. But you look 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:15.520 at the way that the media landscape is fractured, and 0:21:15.600 --> 0:21:19.200 it's across the board. We don't watch the same TV shows. 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:23.399 The Cosby Show attracting forty fifty million packs doesn't happen, 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:27.679 even Seinfeld thirty thirty five million people. Absolutely not. The 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.159 first thing that someone asks if you talk to them 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:32.440 about a TV show is you know, where's that streaming? 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:35.400 Where can I find it? Everyone's confused about where even 0:21:35.440 --> 0:21:36.680 find shows. 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:38.960 We don't have the same TVs anymore. 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.040 Right, Everyone's got their own you know, sometimes it's a 0:21:41.160 --> 0:21:46.920 it's a phone and sometimes it's a monitor. You know, movies, Blockbusters, 0:21:46.920 --> 0:21:52.040 if you're not on the superhero train. You're missing out. 0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:55.280 I'm not so. I can count on one hand number 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:57.880 of movies I've seen in the theaters in the past 0:21:57.920 --> 0:22:02.000 five years, maybe even ten years. Uh, we're not reading 0:22:02.040 --> 0:22:06.320 the same newspapers. If we're reading newspapers at all, we're 0:22:06.560 --> 0:22:09.080 listening to the same music that is being you know, 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:17.720 you're siloed in your Spotify everyone. It's fracturing us into 0:22:17.720 --> 0:22:23.119