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Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Last episode, I talked about how everything seems to get

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Speaker 1: crazier as we head toward an election season and more contentious.

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Speaker 2: Obviously.

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Speaker 1: You know, a friend once said to me that she

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Speaker 1: wished Thanksgiving was at right around election. Things would get

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Speaker 1: tents in her house, things might get tents in yours.

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Speaker 1: Last time I focused on social media, and I would

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Speaker 1: say again that social media is a trap for this

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Speaker 1: kind of thing. My top suggestion is to keep your

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Speaker 1: politics off Facebook. Not one mind has ever been changed

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Speaker 1: on there. All the arguments accomplished is divide old friends.

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Speaker 1: And look, Facebook's just not made for arguments. It's made

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Speaker 1: for seeing pictures of your coworker, you know, three jobs ago,

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Speaker 1: their newborn baby. Use it for that, because you inevitably

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Speaker 1: end up getting into a fight with the coworker of

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Speaker 1: your best friend from middle school. What's the point? But what

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Speaker 1: about your real life? What about the aunt who needles you,

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Speaker 1: or the cousin who loves bringing up January sixth at

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Speaker 1: every dinner. What about the neighbor with the in this

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Speaker 1: like that don't annoy me too, of course they do.

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Speaker 1: Try not to be one of those. This is a

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Speaker 1: show about living better and not blowing up your family

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Speaker 1: around election time is an example of that. One solution

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Speaker 1: I enjoy is to approach arguments with humor. No one

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Speaker 1: personal attacks. If you can't have a spirited debate, argument,

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Speaker 1: even yelling match without avoiding personal shots, politics is not

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Speaker 1: the game for you. I even follow that on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I unfollow or block anybody who's rude to me. I

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Speaker 1: don't accept any of that, and I don't name call,

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Speaker 1: and that's very hard for me to do. But I

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Speaker 1: find that blocking people who I want to day Paul

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Speaker 1: really helps. Finally, I have a friend started ending his disagreements,

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Speaker 1: not just about politics, but all arguments with maybe you're right.

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Speaker 1: He said he felt better just walking away from someone

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Speaker 1: instead of continuing the argument, and maybe not Definitely you're

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Speaker 1: right got the job done. This would actually drive me

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Speaker 1: absolutely bananas if someone said it to me, so really

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Speaker 1: it's a win win switching gears. I'm quickly coming up

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Speaker 1: on the one year anniversary of this podcast. Which is

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Speaker 1: crazy to me. Longtime listeners know. I ask all of

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Speaker 1: my guests three questions. I ask number one, what is

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Speaker 1: our largest cultural problem? Number two, whether they think they've

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Speaker 1: At the one year mark, I'm planning to switch up

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Speaker 1: some or maybe all of these. Send in your suggestions

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Speaker 1: for questions. I love hearing from listeners. The email is

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Speaker 1: Carol Markowitz Show at gmail dot com. It's spelled k

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Speaker 1: Charlie ZS and Zebra show at gmail dot com. Coming

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Speaker 1: up next an interview with Scott Bertram. Join us after

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Speaker 1: the break.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Carol Markowitz Show on iHeartRadio. My

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Speaker 2: guest today is Scott Bertram. Scott is a lecturer in

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Speaker 2: Political Beats podcast and Wasn't That Special Fifty Years of

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Speaker 2: Saturday Night Live. Hi Scott, so nice to.

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Speaker 3: Have you on, Carol. It's great to be here. I'm

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Speaker 3: honored to be invited.

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Speaker 2: So I think back to the first time that we

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Speaker 2: really like. We didn't meet because it was online, but

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Speaker 2: I was on Political Beats talking about one of my

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Speaker 2: favorite bands, Pulp, and you were so polite about how

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Speaker 3: I would not say that necessarily other why I remember it.

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Speaker 3: There are levels of like and dislike, and we've done

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Speaker 2: So which band did you dislike the most on your

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Speaker 3: it might be, It might be Nine Inch Nails.

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Speaker 2: So and then we met for real for the first

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Speaker 3: I've been here eight and a half years of the

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Speaker 2: Amazing. I just thought it was such an amazing place.

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Speaker 3: I ended up here by happenstance. I was not looking

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Speaker 2: I mean, it was clearly meant for you. So how

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's I think that's where it has

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Speaker 3: It would be obscene for me to say no, right,

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Speaker 3: I think I'm in a position where, you know, if

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Speaker 3: I'm also the director of the Hillsdale College Podcast Network,

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Speaker 2: Do you have any cultural concerns? Like you're around students

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Speaker 3: week by week, and it's difficult to find a way

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Speaker 3: forward or find a way through this because we're not

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Speaker 3: going back. We want that flexibility to watch when we

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Speaker 3: want to watch. We like that the algorithm can tell

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Speaker 3: us about new music that we might not have experienced before,

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Speaker 3: and maybe a radio stage is not determining which are

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Speaker 3: the most important songs we should hear the hits we

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Speaker 3: should hear. We like that our we can find information

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Speaker 3: from dozens of different sources and not just rely on

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Speaker 3: something that plops on our driveway at five am every morning.

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Speaker 3: People love that. I love it too, So we can't

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Speaker 3: slide back to a three network sort of lifestyle. But

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Speaker 3: I do think and I don't know what the right

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Speaker 3: answer is. I don't have one. If I did, be fantastic,

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Speaker 3: but I don't know how we sort of find those

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Speaker 3: things again. We get experience together and have these common

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Speaker 3: common touch points between each other, and I think that

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Speaker 3: really does concern me.

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Speaker 2: I've never heard of it described that way, but you're

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Speaker 2: absolutely right that because we don't have other things in common,

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Speaker 2: politics has become so much more important. That's it. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I've for years thought that are just conversations have become

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Speaker 2: so much more politicized political, and that's it. That's why

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Speaker 2: we have nothing else to talk about. That that's what

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Speaker 2: we share in common. And I wish it were some

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Speaker 2: other things. I mean, I don't know how to get

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Speaker 2: I too have no answers to this, but I like

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Speaker 2: that you've identified the problem because that's you know, that's

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Speaker 2: definitely step one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and going back to my original I try to

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Speaker 3: do this. There's also a problem with both vertical and

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Speaker 3: horizontal meaning generations also don't have the same understandings my students.

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Speaker 3: I don't blame them, but if you've tried to go

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Speaker 3: back more than five years in history, they just don't

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Speaker 3: They don't know that. They don't know about things. They

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Speaker 3: don't have the experience when you and I were growing up,

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Speaker 3: you know, the radio stations. Your parents got to control

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Speaker 3: the radio stations every now and then, so you were

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Speaker 3: exposed to songs from twenty years ago and thirty years ago,

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Speaker 3: and there were only four channels or maybe twenty or

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Speaker 3: forty channels on cable, and the same movies got rerun

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Speaker 3: over and over again. And so you should have had

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Speaker 3: this knowledge and education recent history. And that helps a

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Speaker 3: twenty year old be able to talk to a forty

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Speaker 3: year old. When I started, yeah, when I started in

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Speaker 3: radio in Chicago, I worked for three guys in there

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Speaker 3: at that point, they were probably mid to late thirties

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Speaker 3: and I was a twenty two year old just out

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Speaker 3: of college. That's a full generational difference. But I knew

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Speaker 3: the music they liked. I knew the movies that they

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Speaker 3: had seen dozens of times, and I could connect with

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Speaker 3: them in that way. And so what I do in

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Speaker 3: the Core Scholars program is try to at least do

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Speaker 3: a little bit of that. I've taught a class on

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Speaker 3: the twilight Zone in Cold War America. I've taught a

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Speaker 3: class on politics political humor of Saturday Night Live. I've

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Speaker 3: taught a course on I called it music of Patriotism

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Speaker 3: and protests from nineteen sixty to President Yeah, trying to

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Speaker 3: at least with the students who are willing to take

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Speaker 3: those classes, to give them a little bit of that

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Speaker 3: recent history that is evading them because you know, those

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Speaker 3: pipelines of media content don't quite reach them in the

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Speaker 3: way that they reached me or they reached you.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's such a funny thing that they have this

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Speaker 2: hurdle and they look, you know, no matter how much

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Speaker 2: things change, you still want to connect with your boss.

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Speaker 2: For example, fine common ground and your boss wants to

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Speaker 2: connect with you. But it's really saying that how much

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Speaker 2: harder that is for this generation now, and I don't

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Speaker 2: know whether they realize that something has been lost in

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Speaker 2: all of this, but this has been awesome. I really

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Speaker 2: like these ideas. I think that's going to keep me

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Speaker 2: thinking for a while. So Scott, and here with your

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Speaker 2: best tip for my listeners on how they can improve their.

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Speaker 3: Lives, My best tip for listeners and how to improve

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Speaker 3: your life. I'm asked often because I do so much

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Speaker 3: here at the college, and I also have, of course

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Speaker 3: family at home, freelance stuff. How do you do all

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Speaker 3: that stuff? How do you find the time? And the

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Speaker 3: best way that I explain this to people is you

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Speaker 3: have to be intentional with your life. You have to

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Speaker 3: be intentional with your time. I am really hyper specific

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Speaker 3: about when I do things and the amount of time

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Speaker 3: I allow to do something. And then I've got to

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Speaker 3: do this, but I know what all the deadlines are,

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Speaker 3: and so I know I have more time to finish

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Speaker 3: this and less time to finish that. And this goes

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Speaker 3: for not just work, but also I mean slot in

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Speaker 3: time to relax. I still do. I still read the

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Speaker 3: Sunday Paper physical Sunday Paper, Wow, every Sunday, and I

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Speaker 3: carve out time intentionally to do it because I love it.

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Speaker 3: I've done it for decades. It helps me relax. I

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Speaker 3: read the physical So being intentional with your plans, being

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Speaker 3: intentional with your goals, being intentional with your time, I

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Speaker 3: think is extremely important. And connected to that very quickly

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Speaker 3: is write stuff down. It was a great piece of advice.

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Speaker 3: It sounds so obvious that someone had to take me

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Speaker 3: aside and tell me when I was just starting in

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Speaker 3: radio actually producing, like you're gonna forget this stuff.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I take notes on everything. Yes, I have

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Speaker 2: the memory has I think Douglas Copeland wrote about this

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Speaker 2: in one of his books, but he said memory is

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Speaker 2: water into an overflowing cup a certain age. That's what

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Speaker 2: I feel like. I know all the words to like

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Speaker 2: the songs that I liked when I was like ten

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Speaker 2: years old, but sure not any of the names of

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Speaker 2: the moms I met yesterday.

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Speaker 3: And there's something there really is something to the physical

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Speaker 3: process of writing it. And I know you could put

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Speaker 3: it on your phone and type it in, but they're

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Speaker 3: writing it and then they're scratching it off when you

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Speaker 3: complete it. There's something that is both satisfying and I

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Speaker 3: think helps you toward that goal when you actually have

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Speaker 3: it written down in front of you, so be intentional

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Speaker 3: write stump down the two things.

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Speaker 2: Love it. Thank you so much, Scott. He's Scott Bertram.

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Speaker 2: Check out his Political Beats podcast and wasn't that special?

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Speaker 2: Fifty years of Saturday Night Live. Thanks so much for

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Speaker 2: coming on my pleasure.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Carol, Thanks so much for joining us on

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Speaker 1: the Carol Marco Which show. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts.