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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is no They call

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Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined with our guest super producer,

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Speaker 1: Mr Max Williams. Most importantly, you are you. You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. Fellow conspiracy realists, we hope you have had

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Speaker 1: a good week, a good weekend. However you treat the

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Speaker 1: passage of time. While we were away, my colleagues Matt,

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Speaker 1: Noel and I were scouring through the Internet. We were

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Speaker 1: diving deep into stories that often get unreported, and we

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Speaker 1: were doing it for you. That's correct. This is our

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Speaker 1: weekly strange News segment. We are going to find out

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Speaker 1: about a puppet that got arrested in Washington, d C.

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Speaker 1: Quite recently. We are going to have some shades of

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Speaker 1: or well as the government of China attempts to no kidding, uh,

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Speaker 1: further monitor the Internet. And we're going to start a

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Speaker 1: little bit less globally, a little bit more local with

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Speaker 1: a a story that I think all three of us

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Speaker 1: found constructive. Matt, this is an incident that you hipped

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Speaker 1: us to that occurred quite recently. Oh. Yes, this is

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Speaker 1: an incident that occurred on Wednesday, June last week as

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Speaker 1: we record this, And it occurred in a place well

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Speaker 1: near a place called Port St. Lucy, Florida, which is

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Speaker 1: southie of where we are. It's immediately north of a

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Speaker 1: place called Marion County, Florida, and that county is just

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Speaker 1: it on a map, that's where you you'll know where

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Speaker 1: you are, and you'll recognize a highway there, Highway I

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Speaker 1: ninety five. If you've ever traveled south of Georgia. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. This is not like a comedy show.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not like you went any Highway ninety five

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Speaker 1: You'll be you'll be very familiar with it the way

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Speaker 1: you are if you live in Atlanta, you're familiar with

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Speaker 1: five or eight, seventy five or whatever you want to

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Speaker 1: of the places. So, uh, we go there. We travel

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Speaker 1: there now via some reporting done by ri E. Hate.

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Speaker 1: I think it's how you say it. H A. I

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Speaker 1: The Fighting twenty five And I'm just gonna keep doing that,

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Speaker 1: you guys. And we go to the perspective of a

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Speaker 1: Marion County Sheriff's deputy, a man named Cameron White, and

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Speaker 1: he and his partner are traveling down that highway heading

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Speaker 1: And these guys are part of a group called the

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Speaker 1: Traveling Criminal Response Team. Doesn't that sound interesting? Them traveling

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Speaker 1: criminals that I guess roam through your county, assuming and

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Speaker 1: they were looking for anything suspicious. They're in their patrol car.

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Speaker 1: They're on the highway, and well they found it. And

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Speaker 1: according to the article, UH Deputy White said they observed

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Speaker 1: a car that was traveling above the speed limit, probably

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Speaker 1: a familiar occurrence to them. It had a really dark

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Speaker 1: what would the driver normally do? I know what I

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Speaker 1: There's an officer behind me. Well, this vehicle, you guys

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Speaker 1: here's what the driver said, guys, according to the Miami

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Speaker 1: it's not like anyone's giving any weight to a Crosston saying.

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to give any weight to what he's

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Speaker 1: saying if you really pay attention. But a lot of

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Speaker 1: people really leave what he says. And he has a

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Speaker 1: lot of power because he has a very, very large platform.

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Speaker 1: And um, I think that's you know, whatever politics aside.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the issues with Fox News and

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Speaker 1: their whole model of kind of uh um, you know,

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Speaker 1: righteous indignation mongering, I guess is that it's not based

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Speaker 1: on fact, and so many of their kind of pundits

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Speaker 1: aren't reporters. There are people like Carlson who are offering commentary. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's like almost like a video form of like a

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Speaker 1: letter to the editor, like you know, an editorial. But

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Speaker 1: it really is like almost like he's playing a character,

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Speaker 1: which is funny considering the character Stephen Colbert used to

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Speaker 1: play on The Colbert Report that was kind of a

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson esque sort of you know, outrage kind of

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Speaker 1: monger as well. So I don't know, what do you

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Speaker 1: what do you guys think about this. Do you think

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Speaker 1: it's funny? Did that Capitol police overdo it? Um? And

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Speaker 1: what do you think about Carlson's equivalency there? You want

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Speaker 1: to go first? Bet? Sure? Sure? Thanks Ben appreciation um

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00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,880
Speaker 1: for me. I really liked what Colbert said when he

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Speaker 1: responded to the situation, specifically pointing out that yes, they

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Speaker 1: were there, they were invited, they were, you know, supposed

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Speaker 1: to be interviewing certain people. But then when they completed

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Speaker 1: all those interviews, they did kind of what you're describing

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Speaker 1: their knowal where they stayed after to do some more.

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Speaker 1: I don't know how he said it, some jokey mix

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Speaker 1: them ups. Whatever they were. It was like a thirty

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Speaker 1: PM and they were outside of the offices of Minority

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Speaker 1: Leader Kevin McCarthy and Lauren Boebert. Yeah, exactly, So they

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Speaker 1: were overstaying. They're welcome, they were getting a couple of

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Speaker 1: extra jokes, and at that point, you know, it's probably

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Speaker 1: not a good look as the production crew to be

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Speaker 1: doing that at a time when there are these massive

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Speaker 1: hearings occurring for an actual breach of property there, you know,

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Speaker 1: near the Capitol Building, on the Capitol Building. Um. So

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Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean it's tough because I just

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Speaker 1: I really really like Smigel, and I really really like,

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Speaker 1: uh those shows that are able to poke fun at

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Speaker 1: political power, no matter how they do it or from

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Speaker 1: what perspective. So to me, it's it's funny and hopefully

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Speaker 1: nobody gets in huge trouble. I for my part, and

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Speaker 1: well said Matt, I want to point out that the

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Speaker 1: US Capitol Police have issued a publicly available statement. It's

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Speaker 1: quoted in excerpt in many places, Rolling Stone, etcetera. You

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Speaker 1: name it as well as Fox. Well. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if Fox News uh did their diligence enough to quote

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Speaker 1: from the actual statement, but the Capitol Police essentially say

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Speaker 1: the building was closed to visitors at the time, and

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Speaker 1: they're a little snarky in my opinion, where they say

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Speaker 1: these individuals were determined to be part of a group

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Speaker 1: that have been directed by the U s c P

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Speaker 1: U S Capitol Police to leave the building earlier in

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Speaker 1: the day. If you work in production to the point

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Speaker 1: about pushing envelopes a little bit, you know, like we

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Speaker 1: all three of us have been in these situations, uh separately,

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Speaker 1: sometimes me and Matt together where the where you can

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Speaker 1: film in a window and you're kind of thinking. Okay,

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Speaker 1: first off, anybody's not in production. Anytime you film something,

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Speaker 1: it always will take longer than it is supposed to.

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Speaker 1: It's always longer than time. You have a lot of um,

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Speaker 1: so it ish act like I didn't do seventeen takes.

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Speaker 1: But the the whole thing is like, when you get

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Speaker 1: that window, there's this impetus to say, well, we're already

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Speaker 1: there and someone at some point said yes, so that

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Speaker 1: still counts is yes, you know what I mean, We'll

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Speaker 1: keep going until someone tells us we can, And that's

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Speaker 1: what That's what happened here. But to your point, well, UM,

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Speaker 1: to draw that as an equivalent to this isn't a

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Speaker 1: political statement, by the way, Uh. To draw that as

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Speaker 1: an equivalent to UH storming the halls of power of

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Speaker 1: a nation with the clear intent two overturn a democratic

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Speaker 1: process which used to be a very big deal here

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Speaker 1: in the US, UM and to also attempt to murder

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Speaker 1: public servants, I think that's different from making dick jokes

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Speaker 1: at someone. Now, I'm not like, maybe those dick jokes

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Speaker 1: absolutely literally kill, As the stand up comics say, maybe someone,

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Speaker 1: maybe triumph would get to them so hard that they

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Speaker 1: have a heart attack right then, But I very much

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Speaker 1: no one sold to you triumph doubt that is the case.

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Speaker 1: It makes me think of that weaponized joke from that

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Speaker 1: Monty Python sketch that was so powerful they had to

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Speaker 1: only distribute it like one word at a time, and

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Speaker 1: accidentally as someone got you know, too many words, and

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Speaker 1: they would like, have you know, go into paralysis because

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Speaker 1: even half the joke was deadly. Um Colbert summed up

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Speaker 1: in his stand up, I think the pre that the

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Speaker 1: following night, uh vustly. I think it's just great because

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Speaker 1: he goes he's he's definitely doing a bit, but then

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Speaker 1: he goes on to be a little more somber about it,

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Speaker 1: and I think that's a great place to leave it.

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Speaker 1: Uh quote. An insurrection involves disrupting the lawful actions of

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Speaker 1: Congress and howling for the blood of elected leaders, all

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Speaker 1: to prevent the peaceful transfer of power. This was first

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Speaker 1: degree puppetry. This was hijinks with the intent to goof

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Speaker 1: misappropriation of an old Conan bib. Then he goes on

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Speaker 1: and this is very much in line with what you're saying,

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Speaker 1: then drawing any equivalence between rioters storming our capital to

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Speaker 1: prevent the counting of electoral ballots and a cigar chomping

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Speaker 1: toy dog is a shameful and grotesque insult to the

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Speaker 1: memory of everyone who died, because let's not forget people died.

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Speaker 1: And also, you know, Capital Police in this instance, we're

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Speaker 1: totally doing their job as Werek, you know, Stephen Colbert's staff.

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Speaker 1: So honestly, I'm with Capital Police here. I think it

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Speaker 1: was probably probably not the smartest thing for them to

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Speaker 1: stick around in the climate, knowing that they were asked

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Speaker 1: to leave. So you know, Nope, I'm not trying to

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Speaker 1: to knock production people or comedians or whatever, but it

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Speaker 1: definitely seems like they probably should have been a little

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Speaker 1: smarter about that. But the whole rhetoric around it and

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Speaker 1: the whole use of it as this talking point is

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Speaker 1: beyond absurd, and I do not think would work on anybody,

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Speaker 1: because then they went back to New York City, you know,

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Speaker 1: as if it's just like kind of these liberal you know,

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Speaker 1: commies coming in here trying to do hacky jokes about

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Speaker 1: the government. How dare they shame on them? Okay, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Tucker Carlson, we see it. Just you know, not for nothing,

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Speaker 1: Ben and I have been eyed by the Capitol Police before. Oh, no,

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00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: that's true. Sorry, you might have No, it's true. It's

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Speaker 1: their job to to like pay attention to you. There's

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Speaker 1: a little different because there actually I believe in that building.

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Speaker 1: But you know, even before before COVID, when I was

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Speaker 1: up in the in d C, before nine eleven, whenever

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Speaker 1: I was just hanging out there, They're gonna come and

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Speaker 1: ask you why you're doing that, especially if it's later

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Speaker 1: at night. Let's remember this is eight thirty pm. Right.

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Speaker 1: This is like if you've ever been at a if

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00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: you ever been at one of those mixed use, live

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00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: work played environments, right, they have a cutoff time and

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00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: after a certain time, you have to explain why you're there.

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Speaker 1: Um I I don't I I you know, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: I'm not trying to throw stones at at the Capitol

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Speaker 1: Police or you know, even at even at Carlson because obviously,

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Speaker 1: as you said, no, this is not a political analyst.

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00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: He is not himself a politician. Uh. It's a person

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Speaker 1: who is paid to perform for you in the interest

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00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: of acquiring currency and forgetting that difference means forgetting some

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Speaker 1: very important things along the way. But I'm really glad

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00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: you brought this story up. Even if, even if Triumph

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Speaker 1: the insult comic dog is is not your the bowl

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Speaker 1: of kibbler cup of tea. Uh, it's it's important for

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00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: comedy who exists because it does speak truth to power.

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Speaker 1: I yield myself now. I'm worried that I'm a person

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Speaker 1: that performs for currency. No, you do your word. No no, no, Matt,

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Speaker 1: you're a You're a legitimate journalist for me to poop on.

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Speaker 1: There it is there, it is, thank you. And Smigel, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not not Sniegel is different. That's the guy that's

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Speaker 1: the gullum. On that note, We're gonna take a quick break.

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Speaker 1: Here are worth from our sponsor, then come back with

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Speaker 1: one more piece of strange news. And we have returned.

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Speaker 1: Our final story today takes us across the Pacific, but

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Speaker 1: also potentially into your laptop, into your desktop. Statistics say,

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Speaker 1: for most of our fellow conspiracy realists, directly into your phone.

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Speaker 1: Have you let me start with a question. Let's play

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Speaker 1: a little socratic method. Uh, Matt, Noel, everybody listening along

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Speaker 1: at home, have you ever made a comment on social

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Speaker 1: media that you later regretted? All of them? I try

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Speaker 1: to avoid making any comments on social media anymore for

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Speaker 1: that very reason, UM, because you can delete it, but

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00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 1: if it was seen by enough people, it just does

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00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: out there and god forbid people's screenshot it. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I really try not to. I try not to leave

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Speaker 1: reviews for things. I try not to really engage uh

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Speaker 1: directly openly on the Internet. I'll do like d m

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Speaker 1: s with people, but not out there for the public. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I think maybe it may be different, uh, at

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Speaker 1: least in my regard. UH. You know a lot of

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Speaker 1: the great stories that I personally encounter from people who

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Speaker 1: reach out that I have never met in life, and

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00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I do if you're listening, reach out to me appen

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Speaker 1: bowling rep and bowl in hs W or something. I

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Speaker 1: just want you to know I do vet you a

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Speaker 1: little before I respond, because I want I want to

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Speaker 1: make sure and to Nolan Matt's points, UH, statements in

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00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: a public forum are different now than they were back

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Speaker 1: in uh the Middle Ages or before the era of

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00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:42,759
Speaker 1: ubiquitous information. The statements you make now are not remembered

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Speaker 1: by an eye witness haltingly years later from the public square.

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00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: They are printed, They are audible, they are visible, and

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Speaker 1: they remain until you or someone else removes them. They

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00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,680
Speaker 1: also they bring uh eight power, great danger. You know this,

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Speaker 1: these new variables in the world in which we operate,

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Speaker 1: and the government of China famously pro transparence again finish it,

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Speaker 1: famously pro censorship. Let's be honest. The government of China

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Speaker 1: recently made waves when they're Cyberspace Administration or CAC for

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Speaker 1: short in English, when the ci a C said, you

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Speaker 1: know what we're gonna do. We're going to clamp down

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Speaker 1: on dissent, and I'll tell you they're rationale in a second, Um,

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Speaker 1: we're going to keep up with the times of the evolving,

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Speaker 1: never ending conversation online by requiring everybody to review every

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Speaker 1: single comment on social media going forward before publishing. So

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Speaker 1: this would mean that if for instance, you're on you're

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Speaker 1: on Twitter, you are on TikTok, you are on you

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Speaker 1: are on here's where it gets crazy, the Facebook page

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Speaker 1: or whatever, if the if the PRC has its way,

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Speaker 1: then what will occur, at least for audiences in China

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Speaker 1: if they're allowed to access those platforms, is that let's say, um,

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Speaker 1: let's say Noel Brown makes a post about um a

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Speaker 1: hot take on Triumph the insult comic dog and Matt

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Speaker 1: Frederick responds via any handle, via any Internet student in

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Speaker 1: Matt Frederick responds and says something like, well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: Triumph isn't afraid of talking about Tianamen Square. That comment

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Speaker 1: will have to be reviewed before posting, and you know,

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Speaker 1: Tianamen Square a little bit of a touchy subject nowadays

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Speaker 1: with China. If that comment is allowed to go live

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Speaker 1: to publish, then the tricky thing is here. Um, not

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Speaker 1: only does Matt Frederick get in trouble, but the guy

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Speaker 1: who posted the thing, even if it's unrelated. The Noel

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Speaker 1: Brown in this example also gets in trouble, also has consequences,

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Speaker 1: and above Noel Brown, the company owning the platform upon

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Speaker 1: which he has posted may also have consequences. You can

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Speaker 1: read the official statement if you if you read Chinese,

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00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: you can easily read it. Uh if you, if you want,

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Speaker 1: you can read a pretty good I would say English translation.

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Speaker 1: But I learned about this when I saw the notice,

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Speaker 1: the official notice on on state media from the cyberspace

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Speaker 1: admin of China. And this was funny to me. I

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Speaker 1: don't know what you guys think. The notice I saw,

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Speaker 1: which I've attached in our Research DOT is not a

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Speaker 1: hard claration necessarily, but the headline is this Notice of

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Speaker 1: the Cyberspace Administration of China on public solicitation of comments

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Speaker 1: on the Provisions of the Administration of Internet Threat Commodating Services.

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Speaker 1: So they're saying, hey, way in, let us know your

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Speaker 1: thoughts comments. Yes, exactly, it's an anti com it's anti

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Speaker 1: comment legislation asking for public comments. Does anybody else think

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Speaker 1: that's weird? Does it seem kind of just trying to

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Speaker 1: root out suppressive persons on the just no squirrels allowed. Yeah, jeez,

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Speaker 1: check your thing and everybody. The idea is that they

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Speaker 1: want to uh protect people, and you know, the world

656
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Speaker 1: knows that calm like powerful forces want you to pay

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Speaker 1: more attention to short formed things. Right, you can minimize

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Speaker 1: the content or substance of a thought and you can

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Speaker 1: increase the advertising around it. That's why that's why you

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Speaker 1: don't see twenty minute videos on Instagram. You see ten

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Speaker 1: second clips maybe like this, and you know, uh, to

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Speaker 1: post up and to post down, there's a sponsored post,

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Speaker 1: there's an ad. That's that's the job of the thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I personally don't believe it's good for

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Speaker 1: humanity overall. But um, that's good for those companies, you know,

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Speaker 1: and they want to convince you that's good for you.

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Speaker 1: Do they care if it's actually good? Absolutely not, But

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Speaker 1: they do know that the the common section can create

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Speaker 1: very powerful conversation, even off the smallest, little little statement.

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Speaker 1: So this idea is pretty crazy. The censorship regime is

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Speaker 1: already highly automated in China and uh, you have probably

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Speaker 1: followed conspiracy realists listened to our earlier episode on how

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Speaker 1: censorship of film works in the country of China. And

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Speaker 1: this is not to dog on China. This is just

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Speaker 1: something we all need to be aware of across the world.

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Speaker 1: Given China's status as a superpower, it can project force

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Speaker 1: and rules to other countries, perhaps to your own country,

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Speaker 1: in a way that you cannot yourself. Um raise objection

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Speaker 1: to right. So, just to give you this, the notice

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Speaker 1: gave a rationale for the rules. They said, these new

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Speaker 1: rules are quote designed to safeguard national security and public

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Speaker 1: interest and protect the legitimate rights and interests of citizens.

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Speaker 1: How do you guys feel about that? Sound good? Yeah?

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00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: Sounds great? I mean above board, right, protecting everybody well,

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Speaker 1: because now we're all censoring ourselves and each other. You're

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Speaker 1: legitimate rights and interest. I thought that was, how does

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Speaker 1: I know why everyone's got to be so distrustful? You know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, surely they have our best interest at heart? Yes, yes,

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00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: surely you know this this idea. Then the way it's

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Speaker 1: um structured from from what I can understand, and my

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Speaker 1: my Chinese is not super great, My English is like

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Speaker 1: maybe okay, But the what I see here that's fascinating

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Speaker 1: is that it's putting the burden of censorship directly on

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Speaker 1: the people posting on social media. And there are a

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Speaker 1: lot of um, hugely influential social media characters and individuals

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Speaker 1: in that country. You know, there are people with millions

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Speaker 1: and millions of followers, and they are social media natives.

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Speaker 1: I would argue, right, you don't necessarily recognize them from

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Speaker 1: the blockbuster films, Right, You recognize them because you have

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Speaker 1: only seen them on your phone or in an Internet

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Speaker 1: cafe and they're streaming on some equivalent of Twitch or

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Speaker 1: something like that. Those people, this, this structure argues those

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Speaker 1: people should be held accountable. Now we've done separately in

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Speaker 1: together and for different initiatives. We've done live videos before,

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Speaker 1: and the comments start rolling in, right, like if you

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Speaker 1: if you've watched uh any live streaming events Twitch or

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Speaker 1: something like that, it's pretty popular in the US. Then

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Speaker 1: you see the commons sort of. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of emojis a lot of reactions. There are people just

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Speaker 1: saying random stuff finger comma but whole and there is

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00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 1: no time to edit those things. Yes, shout out elderming.

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Speaker 1: But the way this would work, would it means that

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Speaker 1: that poster, that tremendously popular poster who has thousands of

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Speaker 1: comments per video just going in real time, they would

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Speaker 1: be responsible if one of those comments was saying do

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Speaker 1: a video on Ti Naman Square or something like that,

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00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: then they're up the river. And uh, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Like one of my one of my last questions for

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Speaker 1: for everybody listening, for you, Matt, for you know, is

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Speaker 1: this even doable? How would this happen in real time stream?

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Speaker 1: It would be with computers, right, I mean it would

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Speaker 1: be you know, some kind of algorithm that's like scrubbing

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Speaker 1: Internet feeds seven looking for some sort of key data

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Speaker 1: are key indicator or flags, and they would inherently get

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Speaker 1: things wrong, Like a lot of that is already happening.

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Speaker 1: Is what we're what what This is what my understanding been.

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Speaker 1: A lot of that automated stuff is happening already on

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Speaker 1: the platforms that exist in mainland China or where you know,

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Speaker 1: wherever it's being used. This concept of making the user

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Speaker 1: who's generating the content responsible for those comments. Um, what

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Speaker 1: it's gonna do is really boost the economy because think

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Speaker 1: about how many comment moderators they are gonna be. Now,

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Speaker 1: especially for any any social media account that has more

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Speaker 1: than a few thousand people, you know, subscribe to it,

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Speaker 1: even a few hundred people subscribe to it, there are

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Speaker 1: going to be that that kind of comment generation and somebody,

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Speaker 1: probably not the live streamer or the person who's making

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Speaker 1: the video, going through and having to edit those down

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Speaker 1: every moment in real time. That's interesting. Now, that's a

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00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: good point. I'm just talking about, I guess more big picture.

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Speaker 1: But there's a film that I just rewatched, um and

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Speaker 1: I think you guys would dig. It's called Possessor. It's

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00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,959
Speaker 1: by David Cronenberg's son. Cronenberg famously for like body horror,

744
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,799
Speaker 1: like The Fly and um, you know, video drum things

745
00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 1: like that, but his son's really falling in his footsteps

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00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: with this movie. That's kind of like a near future,

747
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: alternate reality version of like where we are with like

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00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:07,560
Speaker 1: social media and technology and stuff. And I won't give

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Speaker 1: anything away, but there's a Google esque company that has

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Speaker 1: the most base level uh position at that company is

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00:47:15,600 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 1: these people that like sit and what they call I

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00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 1: think like the cave or like the floor or something

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00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: like that. And it's these humans that sit with these

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00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: kind of like goggles on, um just monitoring everybody in

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Speaker 1: the world, like like through whatever too way, you know,

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Speaker 1: technology that exists that everyone's just kind of signed away

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00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: their privacy rights too. And at first you think there's

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Speaker 1: something really weird and nefarious going on because it's like

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Speaker 1: sex scenes and weird stuff happening. But then you realize

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Speaker 1: they're just generating those captures that you see, Like they're

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00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 1: literally just grabbing and describing swatches of like they're not

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Speaker 1: looking at the sex and looking at the curtains so

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Speaker 1: they can match them up with other curtains from other,

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Speaker 1: you know, other surveillance images to create the captions. And

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Speaker 1: it just occurs to me that this would require like

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Speaker 1: a farm of humans doing this kind of work. Right. Yeah,

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00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,960
Speaker 1: I've seen that film as well, and I enjoyed it,

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Speaker 1: But I'm a Cronenberg fan. Here's here's the here's the kicker. Folks,

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Speaker 1: by the time you hear this strange news episode, especially

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Speaker 1: if you are a resident of China, this is important

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Speaker 1: to you. You will be hearing this on June two

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Speaker 1: thousand and two. That means, should you choose, you have

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Speaker 1: this week to make your statements on to make your

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00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: comments on this idea of policing comments, you have till Friday,

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00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:40,359
Speaker 1: this coming Friday, July one, that's when the door closes. Now,

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00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: some people, myself amongst them, would argue that the door

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00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,440
Speaker 1: is already closed. As these policies, this legislation, it passes

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00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 1: with very little substantive change anytime, Like by the time

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00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: you hear about it, just assume it's already happening. But

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Speaker 1: the thing I wanna leave people with here is important clarification.

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00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: The way this is written, uh gives the government tremendous latitude.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't just mean the individual poster. It means the

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Speaker 1: entity hosting the post. So there are there are groups

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Speaker 1: that may choose to fight back. Um, this will mean

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00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: if it goes through that every comment you see in

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00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 1: areas affected by this has been sort of pre analyzed

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Speaker 1: and predigested by a moderator. This does stifle conversation. To

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Speaker 1: I never thought i'd say this, But to the defense

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Speaker 1: of an approach like this, it will ideally reduce the

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Speaker 1: number of scam post right of attempts to docks people,

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Speaker 1: of attempts to get financial details. But I do not

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Speaker 1: believe that's the real aim. If I am incorrect, I

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Speaker 1: would love to hear corrections to that. To me, it

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Speaker 1: seems like this is UH state level attempt to clamp

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Speaker 1: down on Descent in advance of some big actions that

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Speaker 1: are looming on the horizon that are coming soon that

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Speaker 1: will be covered in future episodes. But you know, if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and UH we don't edit comments

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Speaker 1: on our shows, so feel free to weigh in. We

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Speaker 1: cannot wait to hear from you, folks. Do you have

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Speaker 1: firsthand experience with kidnapping attempts? Have you ever had an

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Speaker 1: interview with a triumph dog or been detained by capital

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Speaker 1: police or at least you know, do you ever get

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Speaker 1: the heavy questioning? Uh, it's it's kind of spooky, But

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Speaker 1: you are again our favorite part of this show. If

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Speaker 1: you are a Chinese national or spent time there would

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Speaker 1: love to hear your take on whether or not this

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Speaker 1: hercules an effort to police all social media comments will

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Speaker 1: actually succeed until the government of China does not allow

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