WEBVTT - 11. The Suitcase 0:00:15.036 --> 0:00:15.476 Pushkin. 0:00:24.476 --> 0:00:27.316 Haley and I have been operating under an assumption that 0:00:27.356 --> 0:00:30.156 if Rick was involved with my Teresa's death, he would 0:00:30.156 --> 0:00:35.116 have told someone. We've reconstructed his universe person by person, 0:00:35.676 --> 0:00:39.756 cold calling and emailing something like one hundred people, and 0:00:39.796 --> 0:00:43.076 when that didn't work, driving to their last known address 0:00:43.476 --> 0:00:46.796 in burned out mobile homes and tidy trailer parks and 0:00:46.916 --> 0:00:50.236 remote stretches of the suburban desert where they were hoping 0:00:50.516 --> 0:00:55.076 never to be found. And that's how we found Jill Walski, 0:00:55.636 --> 0:00:59.676 sitting outside her double wide in Oxnard, surrounded by plants 0:00:59.876 --> 0:01:03.356 and antiques from her parents' old home in Montanito. 0:01:03.076 --> 0:01:07.836 I know God, all right, honey, Well I got company, 0:01:07.916 --> 0:01:10.516 so I'll call you later, all right, Shooter, love me, 0:01:10.596 --> 0:01:14.076 thank you, Bye bye, any poor guy, tuck. 0:01:15.116 --> 0:01:17.796 Jill's the den mother of the Montanito Boys. 0:01:18.796 --> 0:01:19.956 But excuse me. 0:01:20.076 --> 0:01:23.396 The thing is me I might have straight here. I'll 0:01:23.436 --> 0:01:25.556 just put it here. I see there's this crystal ashtray 0:01:25.596 --> 0:01:26.196 on the oh. 0:01:26.276 --> 0:01:27.356 Thanks. 0:01:28.196 --> 0:01:32.436 Jill is a straight shooter, totally unclouded by visions of 0:01:32.556 --> 0:01:37.036 Rick in all his blonde water skiing glory. Of all 0:01:37.116 --> 0:01:40.716 the Montanito boys. She says Rick had fallen the farthest 0:01:41.156 --> 0:01:45.356 from Golden Boys status to addiction, prison and homelessness. 0:01:46.196 --> 0:01:50.356 He had been arrested several times. And he also wasn't 0:01:50.396 --> 0:01:55.276 mentally there because he had you know, head on into 0:01:55.316 --> 0:01:58.556 a tree, hit by a car on a motorcycle. 0:01:59.516 --> 0:02:02.156 Jill is the person the Montanito Boys go to with 0:02:02.236 --> 0:02:05.876 their problems, and in twenty twelve, Rick came to her 0:02:06.036 --> 0:02:10.476 with a very big problem. The police were after him again. 0:02:11.476 --> 0:02:13.276 She was at home in Montanito. 0:02:14.276 --> 0:02:19.236 Knocks on the door, comes in. He says, Jill, do 0:02:19.276 --> 0:02:22.116 you have a beer or something or shot of something? 0:02:22.316 --> 0:02:25.396 And so I gave him something to drink and sitting 0:02:25.436 --> 0:02:30.236 outside and he's just like, I just got interrogated by 0:02:30.276 --> 0:02:34.276 the police. I did a light detective test. 0:02:35.236 --> 0:02:37.676 The police had asked him what he knew about the 0:02:37.676 --> 0:02:40.356 death of my Trees Richardson, and. 0:02:40.276 --> 0:02:44.236 He's like, yeah, I don't know how they got my name. 0:02:45.036 --> 0:02:49.956 And he just kept putting his head down, and he 0:02:50.116 --> 0:02:52.996 just sat there probably for about forty five minutes and 0:02:53.076 --> 0:02:56.156 just kept pacing and putting his head down. 0:02:57.396 --> 0:03:00.756 By the time Rick left her house that day, Jill 0:03:00.916 --> 0:03:05.076 had no doubt that Rick had information about my Trees's death. 0:03:06.436 --> 0:03:10.196 He knows something and I think I don't think it 0:03:10.236 --> 0:03:15.556 was on purpose, but he knew he knows something and 0:03:15.596 --> 0:03:17.396 he had something to do with it. 0:03:24.236 --> 0:03:54.316 I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost Hills, episode eleven, 0:03:55.276 --> 0:04:03.196 The Suitcase. Jill says when Rick arrived at her house 0:04:03.276 --> 0:04:06.796 after his polygraph, he was anxious and sweaty, and he 0:04:06.916 --> 0:04:10.556 kept asking for more alcohol. She could tell he needed 0:04:10.556 --> 0:04:12.996 to get something off his chest. 0:04:12.676 --> 0:04:14.836 Because he had his head down and he kept rubbing 0:04:14.876 --> 0:04:18.756 through his hair. He wanted to tell me something, and 0:04:18.836 --> 0:04:22.036 I'm like, Rick, please, I really don't want to hear 0:04:22.116 --> 0:04:27.876 this because then I would feel obligated to have to 0:04:27.916 --> 0:04:28.596 say something. 0:04:29.556 --> 0:04:33.196 But before she shut him down completely, Rick did manage 0:04:33.236 --> 0:04:36.756 to tell her something crucial, something that has never been 0:04:36.836 --> 0:04:37.716 reported before. 0:04:38.756 --> 0:04:42.596 And he said, he goes, I picked her up, but 0:04:42.756 --> 0:04:44.316 I didn't do anything to her. 0:04:47.556 --> 0:04:51.556 This is a bombshell piece of information. Rick didn't just 0:04:51.716 --> 0:04:54.796 see or hear my Trees on the day of her disappearance, 0:04:55.036 --> 0:04:56.156 as he says in the video. 0:04:57.356 --> 0:04:58.356 He picked her up. 0:05:00.076 --> 0:05:03.156 Jill says, from the way Rick was acting at her house, 0:05:03.476 --> 0:05:08.556 she strongly believes something else happened between him and my Trees, 0:05:09.316 --> 0:05:12.356 something Rick couldn't tell the cops. 0:05:12.996 --> 0:05:15.396 But why Rick doesn't say, yes, I picked her up. 0:05:15.436 --> 0:05:18.476 I brought her up. He was afraid of going back 0:05:18.476 --> 0:05:21.436 to prison. Bottom line, he had. 0:05:21.316 --> 0:05:21.916 Just gotten out. 0:05:22.196 --> 0:05:28.236 Yeah, so you know, and he just his mannerisms at 0:05:28.276 --> 0:05:32.756 the house. I know he brought her up to his place. 0:05:33.716 --> 0:05:37.676 She would like to think my Teresa's death was unintentional. 0:05:37.916 --> 0:05:41.036 And that's my belief, is that it was an accident. 0:05:41.796 --> 0:05:46.476 But in my opinion, according to him, and he was 0:05:46.556 --> 0:05:53.116 sweating bullets, is that I think that she either slipped 0:05:53.156 --> 0:05:58.236 and fell and he freaked out or I cannot see 0:05:58.356 --> 0:06:01.276 Rick raping to somebody. Did they ever do a kit? 0:06:02.076 --> 0:06:06.516 It was too long after she disappeared. She'd been up 0:06:06.516 --> 0:06:08.996 in that canyon for eleven months and there was no 0:06:09.396 --> 0:06:12.436 soft tissue left. It was bones, So you can't do 0:06:12.476 --> 0:06:15.636 a rape kit on bones. I tell her what we've 0:06:15.676 --> 0:06:18.596 heard from other friends of X, that he wouldn't have 0:06:18.636 --> 0:06:21.996 been sexually interested in my trees because she was black. 0:06:23.156 --> 0:06:26.916 Meth changes people's minds, you know what I mean. And 0:06:26.956 --> 0:06:34.036 if you're up for a few days. Look, I don't 0:06:34.076 --> 0:06:38.036 think I don't think he'd even think that way. I 0:06:38.116 --> 0:06:40.236 know he made the comment I was surprised that the 0:06:40.356 --> 0:06:43.276 black person in Mortnito. I didn't know they lived there, 0:06:44.236 --> 0:06:49.596 you know, you know, I hate to use the term, 0:06:49.636 --> 0:06:56.396 but pussy's pussy, you know, and I don't know she 0:06:56.476 --> 0:06:59.876 He may have given her drugs too, and then she 0:06:59.996 --> 0:07:02.676 started to wander, and then he didn't want her to 0:07:02.716 --> 0:07:04.076 tell anybody anything. 0:07:05.836 --> 0:07:10.076 Jill knows Rerick's violent history and his drug has and 0:07:10.116 --> 0:07:13.596 she's no fool. As we talk, she starts to wrestle 0:07:13.636 --> 0:07:16.076 with the possibility that Rick could have harmed my. 0:07:16.156 --> 0:07:20.316 Trees, so he then may have gone after her. I 0:07:20.356 --> 0:07:25.476 don't think he was strong. I don't think that he 0:07:25.996 --> 0:07:29.556 in his right mind would ever kill somebody. But when 0:07:29.636 --> 0:07:31.516 you're on that drug and you've been up for a 0:07:31.596 --> 0:07:34.596 few days and you go off and say, if she 0:07:34.716 --> 0:07:39.556 tried to take something of his, you know, he may 0:07:39.596 --> 0:07:42.676 have pushed her. He may have grabbed her by her 0:07:42.716 --> 0:07:45.476 neck and realized, oh shit. 0:07:47.556 --> 0:07:49.956 Jill brings up the video of Rick talking about his 0:07:50.116 --> 0:07:53.956 encounter with My trees. She's especially unnerved by the part 0:07:53.996 --> 0:07:56.516 about the vultures circling over Dark Canyon. 0:07:57.556 --> 0:08:00.396 And then when I watched the video, the thing with 0:08:00.476 --> 0:08:04.836 the birds and the way he was laughing, you know, 0:08:05.036 --> 0:08:10.676 kind of like, oh, you know, just his manner. He 0:08:10.756 --> 0:08:15.236 knew exactly where she was, which gives me the chills. 0:08:16.236 --> 0:08:19.796 But if he pushed her, she hid her head. He 0:08:19.956 --> 0:08:22.796 panicked she didn't wake up. He would move that body. 0:08:23.516 --> 0:08:26.516 And in the video he said, you know, he had 0:08:26.556 --> 0:08:30.356 heard about it and saw the vultures there. He had 0:08:30.396 --> 0:08:33.596 seen them before. You know, remember he said like three 0:08:33.676 --> 0:08:37.836 days after so, and he knew exactly where the spot was. 0:08:39.036 --> 0:08:41.516 Jill is filled with regret when she thinks back to 0:08:41.556 --> 0:08:45.516 that conversation with Rick after the polygraph. She wishes she 0:08:45.596 --> 0:08:48.356 hadn't stopped him from saying whatever was on his mind. 0:08:49.396 --> 0:08:53.636 But he did pick her up, and he wanted to 0:08:53.676 --> 0:08:59.036 tell me something. I mean, if he was still alive, 0:08:59.116 --> 0:09:01.676 I would go visit him and ask him flat out. 0:09:02.596 --> 0:09:15.956 So unfortunately, yeah, I think it was Rick Well, which sucks. 0:09:19.436 --> 0:09:23.516 Jill's given us new information. Rick admitted to her that 0:09:23.596 --> 0:09:26.916 he picked my trees up on his motorcycle, and for 0:09:26.996 --> 0:09:30.076 what it's worth, Jill feels sure he took her to 0:09:30.116 --> 0:09:33.956 his spot on the mountain. It feels like all the 0:09:34.036 --> 0:09:37.436 scattered fragments of this story are finally starting to come together. 0:09:38.356 --> 0:09:41.276 Jill refused to hear a full confession from Rick, but 0:09:41.396 --> 0:09:44.476 she did hear and share with us a crucial piece. 0:09:45.996 --> 0:09:48.156 Leaving Jill's place, Haley and I. 0:09:48.116 --> 0:10:02.796 Decide we need to go back to Rick's fort. 0:10:05.396 --> 0:10:08.556 Rick took a lot of women to his fort. He 0:10:08.636 --> 0:10:12.756 took care Aaron McKellar there. He took Lisa Lapour there, 0:10:13.716 --> 0:10:18.396 he took Raven there. Did he take my tries there too? 0:10:21.036 --> 0:10:24.156 Rick had a special name for his fort. He called 0:10:24.196 --> 0:10:28.916 it Chateau shangri La. It was a spooky place with 0:10:29.116 --> 0:10:34.036 animal bones and carcasses from Rick's mountain man activities. There 0:10:34.076 --> 0:10:37.996 was a big old oak tree from its branches. Rick 0:10:38.076 --> 0:10:45.436 hung Ladies Lingerie. After months of playing hard to get 0:10:45.716 --> 0:10:50.956 Rick's friend, Art Davis calls me up totally unexpectedly. He's 0:10:50.996 --> 0:10:53.596 the guy we met by surprise at Cheri's house when 0:10:53.596 --> 0:10:57.516 we knocked on the door there. One day, Art invites 0:10:57.596 --> 0:10:59.996 us to his friend's place, just down the street from 0:10:59.996 --> 0:11:02.436 the house Rick grew up in, in the lower part 0:11:02.476 --> 0:11:06.516 of Montanito that's known as Malibu Meadows. We sit in 0:11:06.556 --> 0:11:08.836 a grove of oak trees by a rushing creek. 0:11:10.036 --> 0:11:14.116 You try to figure out what went awri Art's. 0:11:13.836 --> 0:11:17.036 Been thinking a lot about Rick, pretty much NonStop since 0:11:17.036 --> 0:11:18.836 we last met, and. 0:11:19.996 --> 0:11:23.476 All of a sudden, you show up, Hannah. When you 0:11:23.516 --> 0:11:27.556 show up, I'm going like, Wow, there's a conduit to 0:11:29.156 --> 0:11:30.196 connecting the dots. 0:11:31.916 --> 0:11:34.956 He tells us people in Montanito are afraid of the 0:11:35.036 --> 0:11:36.636 questions we're asking about Rick. 0:11:37.676 --> 0:11:44.196 They're afraid of you because they're kind of like letting 0:11:44.236 --> 0:11:48.076 them go. You know, I just don't want to say 0:11:48.116 --> 0:11:52.836 anything really, you know, bad about Rick, because I mean, 0:11:53.396 --> 0:11:56.356 there's so many memories when I come down this creek 0:11:56.516 --> 0:11:59.836 going to the bus stop. There's so many memories walking 0:11:59.876 --> 0:12:04.356 through this yard, you know, on early growth of these trees. 0:12:04.396 --> 0:12:06.036 And then when you come back to this place is 0:12:06.116 --> 0:12:10.116 like the paradise that you left behind. You took it 0:12:10.156 --> 0:12:11.156 for granted back then. 0:12:12.356 --> 0:12:14.396 Art wants to help us get to the bottom of what, 0:12:14.756 --> 0:12:18.396 if anything, happened between Rick and my trees, but he 0:12:18.476 --> 0:12:22.236 always emphasizes that his intention is to persuade us that Rick, 0:12:22.756 --> 0:12:24.756 the Rick he knew, is innocent. 0:12:25.996 --> 0:12:27.516 I'm going to give you bread crumbs, you know. 0:12:29.876 --> 0:12:32.756 Art tells us he never went to Rick's fort. It 0:12:32.876 --> 0:12:35.196 kind of depressed him that his friend was living like that. 0:12:35.956 --> 0:12:38.436 He just remembers seeing a photo of Rick at the fort, 0:12:38.676 --> 0:12:39.876 sitting on his motorcycle. 0:12:40.876 --> 0:12:42.236 He was always telling me about it. 0:12:42.236 --> 0:12:42.676 Come up there. 0:12:42.716 --> 0:12:44.036 No, I don't want to do that because I don't 0:12:44.036 --> 0:12:46.476 want to identify with the fact that you want to 0:12:46.476 --> 0:12:49.316 live off the grid. I just don't want to go 0:12:49.316 --> 0:12:51.236 ahead and do that. But I'll hook up with you 0:12:51.316 --> 0:12:54.316 somewhere else, like at work, and then we'll go out 0:12:54.316 --> 0:12:56.516 to eat and we'll be civilized. 0:12:57.516 --> 0:12:59.356 Haley and I had been planning to head to the 0:12:59.356 --> 0:13:02.396 fort after our visit with Art. Haley's never seen it, 0:13:03.516 --> 0:13:06.436 but Art isn't ready to say goodbye. He wants to 0:13:06.476 --> 0:13:09.516 show us all these other spots up Payuma Road, his 0:13:09.676 --> 0:13:13.356 little breadcrumbs, I guess. So we make a split second 0:13:13.396 --> 0:13:16.516 decision and invite him to come with us to ricks 0:13:16.516 --> 0:13:20.476 for it all right here for that? 0:13:20.916 --> 0:13:21.996 Do you like windy roads? 0:13:22.156 --> 0:13:24.716 No? No, but I brought my sour patch kids. 0:13:24.756 --> 0:13:25.956 I'm the one who gets carsick. 0:13:26.836 --> 0:13:28.436 We all pile into my car. 0:13:29.556 --> 0:13:33.636 You're driving just fine, thank you. What will happen to 0:13:33.756 --> 0:13:36.876 Dana and Art in the next exciting adventure? 0:13:37.516 --> 0:13:39.956 We pull the car over in a turnout and head 0:13:39.996 --> 0:13:43.196 into the brush. So I'm gonna pull vegetation now because 0:13:43.196 --> 0:13:45.756 of all the rain. We get to a marker, I 0:13:45.796 --> 0:13:48.396 remember from when I was here three years ago. Think 0:13:48.436 --> 0:13:49.876 we can do it and make a sharp left. 0:13:49.996 --> 0:13:51.236 I could have brought a machete. 0:13:51.316 --> 0:13:53.956 Okay, so this is so overgrown, but. 0:13:53.956 --> 0:14:00.916 We got to get crouched down. As we move deeper 0:14:00.956 --> 0:14:03.516 into the woods, Art starts to hesitate. 0:14:04.476 --> 0:14:06.156 You don't have to do this, you know, we can 0:14:06.196 --> 0:14:08.196 do it in another time. We're here. 0:14:08.276 --> 0:14:09.556 We're here, let's do it. 0:14:10.676 --> 0:14:14.316 After a couple of minutes, we see the trash. First, 0:14:14.516 --> 0:14:17.956 it's just a little pile of sun faded bludweiser cans. 0:14:18.996 --> 0:14:21.596 Yeah, well that's Bloodweiser's Rick. 0:14:22.636 --> 0:14:24.636 I was gonna say, is that is? 0:14:24.636 --> 0:14:24.916 Is that his? 0:14:25.516 --> 0:14:26.316 Your choice? 0:14:26.716 --> 0:14:26.916 Yep. 0:14:27.756 --> 0:14:30.196 Then as we get closer to the big tree that 0:14:30.316 --> 0:14:33.996 mark's Rick's camp, we see more trash mixed into a 0:14:34.036 --> 0:14:37.956 mound of loose, churned up leafy soil. There's an empty 0:14:38.036 --> 0:14:42.156 jug of Sunny Delight, red bags, yogurt cups, a sharpie, 0:14:42.356 --> 0:14:45.116 a toothbrush, a blue plastic razor. 0:14:45.756 --> 0:14:48.196 That that would have been DNA at the wing wearing 0:14:48.316 --> 0:14:53.796 right there. Razor Eli like to keep itself clean, He 0:14:53.956 --> 0:14:56.516 like to keep knees and tiety. But he's hiding here. 0:14:57.316 --> 0:15:00.876 I'm so confused by what I'm seeing I was here 0:15:01.036 --> 0:15:04.316 in twenty twenty one and none of this was here. 0:15:04.356 --> 0:15:08.676 Then we've had two seasons of historic rainfall in Los 0:15:08.716 --> 0:15:12.876 Angeles County. Is it possible that all this stuff was 0:15:13.116 --> 0:15:18.036 buried underground and the flash floods and storms and atmospheric 0:15:18.156 --> 0:15:23.556 rivers unearthed up. If this is Rick's garbage heap, that 0:15:23.756 --> 0:15:27.716 means there could be something of my Teresa's here. We 0:15:27.756 --> 0:15:32.716 don't say that out loud. We don't have to. Haley 0:15:32.756 --> 0:15:35.116 and I start poking through the trash with sticks and 0:15:35.196 --> 0:15:37.516 a blue plastic hangar we find lying in the dart. 0:15:38.436 --> 0:15:41.836 We're not touching anything with our bare hands. It's disgusting, 0:15:42.236 --> 0:15:45.516 but also who knows. We could find something that has 0:15:45.636 --> 0:15:49.356 value as evidence, something that would link my trees to 0:15:49.436 --> 0:15:53.636 this site and finally get the attention of law enforcement. 0:15:55.396 --> 0:15:58.316 Several pieces of my Teresa's clothing were not found at 0:15:58.356 --> 0:16:02.236 the remain site in Dark Canyon, her vans, her Bob 0:16:02.316 --> 0:16:04.956 Marley T shirt, the brown hat she had with her 0:16:04.996 --> 0:16:09.076 when she left the station, and then there's her id. 0:16:09.836 --> 0:16:11.596 They're all I can think of while we dig. 0:16:12.276 --> 0:16:13.876 What's the What is that? 0:16:13.876 --> 0:16:14.996 That's a gas line? 0:16:15.436 --> 0:16:18.316 Art looks like he wishes he'd stayed back in Montanito, 0:16:19.116 --> 0:16:22.356 and he is actively trying to manage us. He thinks 0:16:22.636 --> 0:16:23.796 we're being hysterical. 0:16:24.676 --> 0:16:28.956 Look look in that hole, Art in there. Yeah, what's 0:16:28.956 --> 0:16:30.876 that thing for the right thing? 0:16:31.716 --> 0:16:32.556 Is that a pipe? 0:16:33.396 --> 0:16:38.596 That big thing is that a pipe? It's this that thing? 0:16:40.836 --> 0:16:46.836 Oh, come on, overreactact you're overreact? 0:16:47.076 --> 0:16:48.836 What is that like? 0:16:50.316 --> 0:16:52.716 And then we see it. 0:16:52.716 --> 0:16:54.716 It's stuff his stuff right here. 0:16:55.476 --> 0:17:00.196 It's a suitcase, plain black carry on size with a 0:17:00.196 --> 0:17:01.276 brand tag on it. 0:17:01.836 --> 0:17:05.396 See that name Embark or whatever is it Embark. 0:17:06.556 --> 0:17:10.436 The suitcase is stained with mud and mold. Little bright 0:17:10.476 --> 0:17:14.516 green plants are growing through it. But Art recognizes it. 0:17:15.476 --> 0:17:19.596 He says it's the kind Rick would use. So this 0:17:19.676 --> 0:17:20.396 looks familiar. 0:17:20.476 --> 0:17:20.996 This looks like. 0:17:22.476 --> 0:17:22.676 Art. 0:17:22.676 --> 0:17:29.636 Prize. Open the main compartment. It's empty, but there are pockets. 0:17:30.476 --> 0:17:30.636 Art. 0:17:30.676 --> 0:17:33.396 If you're feeling continually brave, will you just unzip that 0:17:33.996 --> 0:17:34.636 front bucket? 0:17:40.676 --> 0:17:44.076 Oh lucky you are, there's two pockets. 0:17:45.996 --> 0:17:47.316 Oh my god, Oh my god. 0:17:47.716 --> 0:17:54.676 Inside is a mass of disintegrating women's lingerie, bras thongs, stockings, 0:17:55.316 --> 0:17:59.316 a small black nightie with spaghetti straps, a mesh romper. 0:18:00.996 --> 0:18:03.956 I catch Haley's eye. I can tell we're thinking the 0:18:04.036 --> 0:18:04.556 same thing. 0:18:05.556 --> 0:18:05.836 We know. 0:18:05.956 --> 0:18:09.476 The bras don't belong to my trees. Her bra was 0:18:09.476 --> 0:18:14.076 found in Dark Canyon, but her underpants were never found. 0:18:14.796 --> 0:18:15.796 Is that ladies underwear? 0:18:16.036 --> 0:18:21.236 Lady bra with roses on it. It's a surreal experience. 0:18:21.796 --> 0:18:26.516 It's like this stuff just materialized, a whole suitcase of it. 0:18:27.476 --> 0:18:30.196 And just to add to the bizarreness, while we're trying 0:18:30.236 --> 0:18:35.036 to process what's happening, Art is frantically downplaying the whole thing. 0:18:36.516 --> 0:18:39.596 These are tights. Those are those? Are his? 0:18:40.516 --> 0:18:41.156 Are those tights? 0:18:41.236 --> 0:18:41.396 Yeah? 0:18:41.396 --> 0:18:42.516 These are tights. 0:18:42.956 --> 0:18:44.036 It's like to stay warm. 0:18:44.756 --> 0:18:46.276 Well maybe at friends. They're small. 0:18:46.276 --> 0:18:47.396 I don't think these would fit him. 0:18:47.956 --> 0:18:54.036 Let's do a little inventory. Ladies, small stockings, black underpants, 0:18:54.916 --> 0:19:00.116 age underpants. Art starts making noises like he wants to 0:19:00.116 --> 0:19:03.156 get out of the woods, which is great because we 0:19:03.196 --> 0:19:05.956 want him out of our hair. We need to get 0:19:05.996 --> 0:19:08.916 some gloves and some garbage bags and remove as much 0:19:08.956 --> 0:19:11.436 of this stuff as we can before the sun goes down. 0:19:12.316 --> 0:19:14.756 It's a long shot, but we're wondering if there could 0:19:14.796 --> 0:19:19.756 be DNA evidence that would definitively connect Rick and my trees. 0:19:22.476 --> 0:19:25.756 We drop Art in Montanito, drive to the nearest grocery 0:19:25.756 --> 0:19:34.076 store and fill a shopping cart with supplies. We settle 0:19:34.116 --> 0:19:36.596 for a box cutter instead of a knife, and a 0:19:36.716 --> 0:19:39.716 kitty litter scooper for a shovel. They'll have to do. 0:19:41.996 --> 0:19:45.196 We return to the fort with one goal to bring 0:19:45.276 --> 0:19:48.956 back the contents of that suitcase and any other potential 0:19:48.996 --> 0:19:54.836 evidence we can find. Back at the fort, the suitcase 0:19:54.996 --> 0:19:58.116 is just where we left it. And now we notice 0:19:58.156 --> 0:20:01.236 there's another pocket which we didn't open with art. 0:20:03.356 --> 0:20:04.276 The zippers jimned. 0:20:10.196 --> 0:20:14.476 Okay, so now we've got a oh, purple like string bra. 0:20:16.396 --> 0:20:19.036 What do you call that? Oh? 0:20:19.076 --> 0:20:21.076 My god, I don't know what. 0:20:21.156 --> 0:20:25.476 This is, just some massive Ladies garments. 0:20:25.836 --> 0:20:29.556 The underwear is wet and moldy and falling apart. I 0:20:29.676 --> 0:20:33.196 hold open a garbage bag and Hayley deposits it piece 0:20:33.276 --> 0:20:33.756 by piece. 0:20:35.836 --> 0:20:36.756 Yeah, let's just start here. 0:20:36.836 --> 0:20:38.356 Let's just bag let's bag up the. 0:20:38.316 --> 0:20:39.396 Ladies underwear first. 0:20:40.076 --> 0:20:43.276 We'll do a full accounting later. But even now, in 0:20:43.316 --> 0:20:46.716 the moment, it's obvious that this collection does not connect 0:20:46.836 --> 0:20:51.796 to just one woman. There are all different sizes small, medium, 0:20:52.076 --> 0:21:00.356 extra large, and the styles are eclectic, solid black patterns, thongs, 0:21:00.796 --> 0:21:03.956 granny panties, like girls T shirt. It makes sense that 0:21:04.076 --> 0:21:07.076 some of these things would have belonged to Darien. She's 0:21:07.156 --> 0:21:09.796 the dead girlfriend whose thong ricked like to put on, 0:21:10.396 --> 0:21:12.676 and we've heard he kept a lot of her undergarments here. 0:21:13.436 --> 0:21:16.676 But still it's pretty obvious that they are not all 0:21:16.836 --> 0:21:21.276 hers a mouse. Now that we have gloves, we dig 0:21:21.356 --> 0:21:24.036 through the mound of dirt around the suitcase a bit more. 0:21:24.916 --> 0:21:31.276 Haley pulls up Rick's headlamp. It's bright yellow, and I 0:21:31.276 --> 0:21:35.596 don't know why, but it feels so personal, like a 0:21:35.676 --> 0:21:40.516 representation of Rick. It makes me think of him up 0:21:40.556 --> 0:21:45.196 here in the dark. It's not an image. I want 0:21:45.196 --> 0:21:45.876 to sit with. 0:21:47.796 --> 0:21:48.756 You. Here's some more clothing. 0:21:49.916 --> 0:21:53.396 We find more pieces of fabric in the mound, long 0:21:53.476 --> 0:21:57.996 lacy strands that disappear deep into the earth, intertwining. 0:21:57.356 --> 0:21:58.316 With the roots. 0:21:58.836 --> 0:22:01.396 We pull on them, and I feel my guts turn 0:22:01.476 --> 0:22:06.996 over nauseatingly, like I'm tugging on my own entrails. 0:22:07.516 --> 0:22:11.196 This looks like a little kids lee hard. 0:22:12.236 --> 0:22:17.036 I spot something bright, purply pink and shiny. It's a 0:22:17.116 --> 0:22:24.076 kid's nightgown, like a toddler would wear. It's a Barbie princess. 0:22:24.636 --> 0:22:28.316 It's crust or I mean, dizzy princess. That's what I mean, 0:22:29.236 --> 0:22:32.596 I have no clue what to make of that it 0:22:32.676 --> 0:22:36.236 goes in the bag. All I can think about are 0:22:36.236 --> 0:22:41.156 my Teresa's missing things, her shoes, her T shirt, her 0:22:41.236 --> 0:22:46.036 underpants if she was wearing them. 0:22:44.996 --> 0:22:53.436 To find one little sign of her, if. 0:22:53.356 --> 0:22:54.796 She was here, she was here for like. 0:22:54.796 --> 0:23:01.796 One day, I know, or you just brought back something, 0:23:01.916 --> 0:23:02.116 you know. 0:23:03.596 --> 0:23:05.116 Yeah, that's true. 0:23:06.276 --> 0:23:08.796 I look over the mound of dirt again and notice 0:23:08.836 --> 0:23:12.876 a long, narrow piece of green net like fabric. I've 0:23:12.916 --> 0:23:15.636 always been stumped by the description of the material that 0:23:15.756 --> 0:23:19.996 was found during my Teresa's second autopsy. The criminalists who 0:23:19.996 --> 0:23:24.556 collected it described it as quote loose green fuzz like 0:23:24.876 --> 0:23:30.396 hair slash fibers located near the legs. Could this green 0:23:30.476 --> 0:23:34.276 fabric at the fort be connected to that green fuzz 0:23:34.436 --> 0:23:36.716 found near my Teresa's legs? Hey, I think we should 0:23:36.716 --> 0:23:38.316 get out of here. We put it in the bag, 0:23:39.756 --> 0:23:42.516 and then we get out of there with a big 0:23:42.556 --> 0:23:44.796 garbage bag full of molding underwear. 0:23:45.916 --> 0:23:47.156 Well, what are we going to do with it? 0:23:47.676 --> 0:23:48.116 I don't know. 0:23:48.796 --> 0:23:51.996 So we don't feel like the beleving. We can't leave it. 0:23:53.716 --> 0:23:55.276 I think we have to figure out what we're going 0:23:55.356 --> 0:23:55.836 to do with them. 0:23:55.996 --> 0:23:59.756 Yeah, and maybe like talk to some other people about it. 0:24:00.276 --> 0:24:03.796 Yeah, we don't know exactly what to do with this stuff. 0:24:04.476 --> 0:24:07.276 We just know we can't leave it out here. There's 0:24:07.276 --> 0:24:09.596 some friend of Rick's who gets wind of it, could 0:24:09.596 --> 0:24:13.236 come and move it. It might be our only potential 0:24:13.316 --> 0:24:16.756 way of connecting my trees to the fort through physical evidence. 0:24:19.596 --> 0:24:23.636 That night, it pours rain again and there's another flash flood. Warning. 0:24:24.596 --> 0:24:28.716 My mind goes to Rick's fort. Maybe it would all 0:24:28.756 --> 0:24:32.996 be gone, buried again or washed away except for what 0:24:33.076 --> 0:24:36.436 we rescued in a garbage bag that's now locked in 0:24:36.476 --> 0:24:55.036 Haley's office while we formulate a plan. We don't know 0:24:55.116 --> 0:24:59.676 why law enforcements stopped pursuing Rick after the polygraph. Maybe 0:24:59.756 --> 0:25:03.836 they learned something that excluded him, but we asked and 0:25:03.996 --> 0:25:06.996 not one of the detectives we spoke to said Rick 0:25:07.076 --> 0:25:11.116 had definitively been ruled out. Maybe it was just he 0:25:11.196 --> 0:25:15.876 passed the polygraph. But even if law enforcement had wanted 0:25:15.916 --> 0:25:19.716 to keep interrogating him, it would have been extremely difficult 0:25:20.476 --> 0:25:24.116 because not long after he was interviewed, he sustained yet 0:25:24.236 --> 0:25:28.756 another traumatic brain injury. He had a long history of those. 0:25:30.156 --> 0:25:31.356 Art Davis again. 0:25:32.396 --> 0:25:34.476 I mean he ran right into an eighty year old 0:25:34.516 --> 0:25:37.676 eucalyptus tree like that. 0:25:38.356 --> 0:25:41.756 In two thousand and one, Rick, driving drunk, had smashed 0:25:41.756 --> 0:25:44.356 into a tree onto Pega Canyon Boulevard. 0:25:44.876 --> 0:25:47.716 Exploded his you know, all his teeth and they put 0:25:47.756 --> 0:25:50.796 all his teeth back in. He busted both knees, broke 0:25:50.836 --> 0:25:56.516 his neck, you know, his back, his leg, all kinds 0:25:56.516 --> 0:25:59.116 of stuff. I mean, they took the jaws alive man 0:25:59.156 --> 0:26:00.276 and got him out of there. 0:26:01.236 --> 0:26:04.796