1 00:00:15,036 --> 00:00:15,476 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:24,476 --> 00:00:27,316 Speaker 2: Haley and I have been operating under an assumption that 3 00:00:27,356 --> 00:00:30,156 Speaker 2: if Rick was involved with my Teresa's death, he would 4 00:00:30,156 --> 00:00:35,116 Speaker 2: have told someone. We've reconstructed his universe person by person, 5 00:00:35,676 --> 00:00:39,756 Speaker 2: cold calling and emailing something like one hundred people, and 6 00:00:39,796 --> 00:00:43,076 Speaker 2: when that didn't work, driving to their last known address 7 00:00:43,476 --> 00:00:46,796 Speaker 2: in burned out mobile homes and tidy trailer parks and 8 00:00:46,916 --> 00:00:50,236 Speaker 2: remote stretches of the suburban desert where they were hoping 9 00:00:50,516 --> 00:00:55,076 Speaker 2: never to be found. And that's how we found Jill Walski, 10 00:00:55,636 --> 00:00:59,676 Speaker 2: sitting outside her double wide in Oxnard, surrounded by plants 11 00:00:59,876 --> 00:01:03,356 Speaker 2: and antiques from her parents' old home in Montanito. 12 00:01:03,076 --> 00:01:07,836 Speaker 3: I know God, all right, honey, Well I got company, 13 00:01:07,916 --> 00:01:10,516 Speaker 3: so I'll call you later, all right, Shooter, love me, 14 00:01:10,596 --> 00:01:14,076 Speaker 3: thank you, Bye bye, any poor guy, tuck. 15 00:01:15,116 --> 00:01:17,796 Speaker 2: Jill's the den mother of the Montanito Boys. 16 00:01:18,796 --> 00:01:19,956 Speaker 4: But excuse me. 17 00:01:20,076 --> 00:01:23,396 Speaker 5: The thing is me I might have straight here. I'll 18 00:01:23,436 --> 00:01:25,556 Speaker 5: just put it here. I see there's this crystal ashtray 19 00:01:25,596 --> 00:01:26,196 Speaker 5: on the oh. 20 00:01:26,276 --> 00:01:27,356 Speaker 6: Thanks. 21 00:01:28,196 --> 00:01:32,436 Speaker 2: Jill is a straight shooter, totally unclouded by visions of 22 00:01:32,556 --> 00:01:37,036 Speaker 2: Rick in all his blonde water skiing glory. Of all 23 00:01:37,116 --> 00:01:40,716 Speaker 2: the Montanito boys. She says Rick had fallen the farthest 24 00:01:41,156 --> 00:01:45,356 Speaker 2: from Golden Boys status to addiction, prison and homelessness. 25 00:01:46,196 --> 00:01:50,356 Speaker 5: He had been arrested several times. And he also wasn't 26 00:01:50,396 --> 00:01:55,276 Speaker 5: mentally there because he had you know, head on into 27 00:01:55,316 --> 00:01:58,556 Speaker 5: a tree, hit by a car on a motorcycle. 28 00:01:59,516 --> 00:02:02,156 Speaker 2: Jill is the person the Montanito Boys go to with 29 00:02:02,236 --> 00:02:05,876 Speaker 2: their problems, and in twenty twelve, Rick came to her 30 00:02:06,036 --> 00:02:10,476 Speaker 2: with a very big problem. The police were after him again. 31 00:02:11,476 --> 00:02:13,276 Speaker 2: She was at home in Montanito. 32 00:02:14,276 --> 00:02:19,236 Speaker 5: Knocks on the door, comes in. He says, Jill, do 33 00:02:19,276 --> 00:02:22,116 Speaker 5: you have a beer or something or shot of something? 34 00:02:22,316 --> 00:02:25,396 Speaker 5: And so I gave him something to drink and sitting 35 00:02:25,436 --> 00:02:30,236 Speaker 5: outside and he's just like, I just got interrogated by 36 00:02:30,276 --> 00:02:34,276 Speaker 5: the police. I did a light detective test. 37 00:02:35,236 --> 00:02:37,676 Speaker 2: The police had asked him what he knew about the 38 00:02:37,676 --> 00:02:40,356 Speaker 2: death of my Trees Richardson, and. 39 00:02:40,276 --> 00:02:44,236 Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, I don't know how they got my name. 40 00:02:45,036 --> 00:02:49,956 Speaker 5: And he just kept putting his head down, and he 41 00:02:50,116 --> 00:02:52,996 Speaker 5: just sat there probably for about forty five minutes and 42 00:02:53,076 --> 00:02:56,156 Speaker 5: just kept pacing and putting his head down. 43 00:02:57,396 --> 00:03:00,756 Speaker 2: By the time Rick left her house that day, Jill 44 00:03:00,916 --> 00:03:05,076 Speaker 2: had no doubt that Rick had information about my Trees's death. 45 00:03:06,436 --> 00:03:10,196 Speaker 5: He knows something and I think I don't think it 46 00:03:10,236 --> 00:03:15,556 Speaker 5: was on purpose, but he knew he knows something and 47 00:03:15,596 --> 00:03:17,396 Speaker 5: he had something to do with it. 48 00:03:24,236 --> 00:03:54,316 Speaker 2: I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost Hills, episode eleven, 49 00:03:55,276 --> 00:04:03,196 Speaker 2: The Suitcase. Jill says when Rick arrived at her house 50 00:04:03,276 --> 00:04:06,796 Speaker 2: after his polygraph, he was anxious and sweaty, and he 51 00:04:06,916 --> 00:04:10,556 Speaker 2: kept asking for more alcohol. She could tell he needed 52 00:04:10,556 --> 00:04:12,996 Speaker 2: to get something off his chest. 53 00:04:12,676 --> 00:04:14,836 Speaker 5: Because he had his head down and he kept rubbing 54 00:04:14,876 --> 00:04:18,756 Speaker 5: through his hair. He wanted to tell me something, and 55 00:04:18,836 --> 00:04:22,036 Speaker 5: I'm like, Rick, please, I really don't want to hear 56 00:04:22,116 --> 00:04:27,876 Speaker 5: this because then I would feel obligated to have to 57 00:04:27,916 --> 00:04:28,596 Speaker 5: say something. 58 00:04:29,556 --> 00:04:33,196 Speaker 2: But before she shut him down completely, Rick did manage 59 00:04:33,236 --> 00:04:36,756 Speaker 2: to tell her something crucial, something that has never been 60 00:04:36,836 --> 00:04:37,716 Speaker 2: reported before. 61 00:04:38,756 --> 00:04:42,596 Speaker 5: And he said, he goes, I picked her up, but 62 00:04:42,756 --> 00:04:44,316 Speaker 5: I didn't do anything to her. 63 00:04:47,556 --> 00:04:51,556 Speaker 2: This is a bombshell piece of information. Rick didn't just 64 00:04:51,716 --> 00:04:54,796 Speaker 2: see or hear my Trees on the day of her disappearance, 65 00:04:55,036 --> 00:04:56,156 Speaker 2: as he says in the video. 66 00:04:57,356 --> 00:04:58,356 Speaker 1: He picked her up. 67 00:05:00,076 --> 00:05:03,156 Speaker 2: Jill says, from the way Rick was acting at her house, 68 00:05:03,476 --> 00:05:08,556 Speaker 2: she strongly believes something else happened between him and my Trees, 69 00:05:09,316 --> 00:05:12,356 Speaker 2: something Rick couldn't tell the cops. 70 00:05:12,996 --> 00:05:15,396 Speaker 5: But why Rick doesn't say, yes, I picked her up. 71 00:05:15,436 --> 00:05:18,476 Speaker 5: I brought her up. He was afraid of going back 72 00:05:18,476 --> 00:05:21,436 Speaker 5: to prison. Bottom line, he had. 73 00:05:21,316 --> 00:05:21,916 Speaker 3: Just gotten out. 74 00:05:22,196 --> 00:05:28,236 Speaker 5: Yeah, so you know, and he just his mannerisms at 75 00:05:28,276 --> 00:05:32,756 Speaker 5: the house. I know he brought her up to his place. 76 00:05:33,716 --> 00:05:37,676 Speaker 2: She would like to think my Teresa's death was unintentional. 77 00:05:37,916 --> 00:05:41,036 Speaker 5: And that's my belief, is that it was an accident. 78 00:05:41,796 --> 00:05:46,476 Speaker 5: But in my opinion, according to him, and he was 79 00:05:46,556 --> 00:05:53,116 Speaker 5: sweating bullets, is that I think that she either slipped 80 00:05:53,156 --> 00:05:58,236 Speaker 5: and fell and he freaked out or I cannot see 81 00:05:58,356 --> 00:06:01,276 Speaker 5: Rick raping to somebody. Did they ever do a kit? 82 00:06:02,076 --> 00:06:06,516 Speaker 2: It was too long after she disappeared. She'd been up 83 00:06:06,516 --> 00:06:08,996 Speaker 2: in that canyon for eleven months and there was no 84 00:06:09,396 --> 00:06:12,436 Speaker 2: soft tissue left. It was bones, So you can't do 85 00:06:12,476 --> 00:06:15,636 Speaker 2: a rape kit on bones. I tell her what we've 86 00:06:15,676 --> 00:06:18,596 Speaker 2: heard from other friends of X, that he wouldn't have 87 00:06:18,636 --> 00:06:21,996 Speaker 2: been sexually interested in my trees because she was black. 88 00:06:23,156 --> 00:06:26,916 Speaker 5: Meth changes people's minds, you know what I mean. And 89 00:06:26,956 --> 00:06:34,036 Speaker 5: if you're up for a few days. Look, I don't 90 00:06:34,076 --> 00:06:38,036 Speaker 5: think I don't think he'd even think that way. I 91 00:06:38,116 --> 00:06:40,236 Speaker 5: know he made the comment I was surprised that the 92 00:06:40,356 --> 00:06:43,276 Speaker 5: black person in Mortnito. I didn't know they lived there, 93 00:06:44,236 --> 00:06:49,596 Speaker 5: you know, you know, I hate to use the term, 94 00:06:49,636 --> 00:06:56,396 Speaker 5: but pussy's pussy, you know, and I don't know she 95 00:06:56,476 --> 00:06:59,876 Speaker 5: He may have given her drugs too, and then she 96 00:06:59,996 --> 00:07:02,676 Speaker 5: started to wander, and then he didn't want her to 97 00:07:02,716 --> 00:07:04,076 Speaker 5: tell anybody anything. 98 00:07:05,836 --> 00:07:10,076 Speaker 2: Jill knows Rerick's violent history and his drug has and 99 00:07:10,116 --> 00:07:13,596 Speaker 2: she's no fool. As we talk, she starts to wrestle 100 00:07:13,636 --> 00:07:16,076 Speaker 2: with the possibility that Rick could have harmed my. 101 00:07:16,156 --> 00:07:20,316 Speaker 5: Trees, so he then may have gone after her. I 102 00:07:20,356 --> 00:07:25,476 Speaker 5: don't think he was strong. I don't think that he 103 00:07:25,996 --> 00:07:29,556 Speaker 5: in his right mind would ever kill somebody. But when 104 00:07:29,636 --> 00:07:31,516 Speaker 5: you're on that drug and you've been up for a 105 00:07:31,596 --> 00:07:34,596 Speaker 5: few days and you go off and say, if she 106 00:07:34,716 --> 00:07:39,556 Speaker 5: tried to take something of his, you know, he may 107 00:07:39,596 --> 00:07:42,676 Speaker 5: have pushed her. He may have grabbed her by her 108 00:07:42,716 --> 00:07:45,476 Speaker 5: neck and realized, oh shit. 109 00:07:47,556 --> 00:07:49,956 Speaker 2: Jill brings up the video of Rick talking about his 110 00:07:50,116 --> 00:07:53,956 Speaker 2: encounter with My trees. She's especially unnerved by the part 111 00:07:53,996 --> 00:07:56,516 Speaker 2: about the vultures circling over Dark Canyon. 112 00:07:57,556 --> 00:08:00,396 Speaker 5: And then when I watched the video, the thing with 113 00:08:00,476 --> 00:08:04,836 Speaker 5: the birds and the way he was laughing, you know, 114 00:08:05,036 --> 00:08:10,676 Speaker 5: kind of like, oh, you know, just his manner. He 115 00:08:10,756 --> 00:08:15,236 Speaker 5: knew exactly where she was, which gives me the chills. 116 00:08:16,236 --> 00:08:19,796 Speaker 5: But if he pushed her, she hid her head. He 117 00:08:19,956 --> 00:08:22,796 Speaker 5: panicked she didn't wake up. He would move that body. 118 00:08:23,516 --> 00:08:26,516 Speaker 5: And in the video he said, you know, he had 119 00:08:26,556 --> 00:08:30,356 Speaker 5: heard about it and saw the vultures there. He had 120 00:08:30,396 --> 00:08:33,596 Speaker 5: seen them before. You know, remember he said like three 121 00:08:33,676 --> 00:08:37,836 Speaker 5: days after so, and he knew exactly where the spot was. 122 00:08:39,036 --> 00:08:41,516 Speaker 2: Jill is filled with regret when she thinks back to 123 00:08:41,556 --> 00:08:45,516 Speaker 2: that conversation with Rick after the polygraph. She wishes she 124 00:08:45,596 --> 00:08:48,356 Speaker 2: hadn't stopped him from saying whatever was on his mind. 125 00:08:49,396 --> 00:08:53,636 Speaker 5: But he did pick her up, and he wanted to 126 00:08:53,676 --> 00:08:59,036 Speaker 5: tell me something. I mean, if he was still alive, 127 00:08:59,116 --> 00:09:01,676 Speaker 5: I would go visit him and ask him flat out. 128 00:09:02,596 --> 00:09:15,956 Speaker 5: So unfortunately, yeah, I think it was Rick Well, which sucks. 129 00:09:19,436 --> 00:09:23,516 Speaker 2: Jill's given us new information. Rick admitted to her that 130 00:09:23,596 --> 00:09:26,916 Speaker 2: he picked my trees up on his motorcycle, and for 131 00:09:26,996 --> 00:09:30,076 Speaker 2: what it's worth, Jill feels sure he took her to 132 00:09:30,116 --> 00:09:33,956 Speaker 2: his spot on the mountain. It feels like all the 133 00:09:34,036 --> 00:09:37,436 Speaker 2: scattered fragments of this story are finally starting to come together. 134 00:09:38,356 --> 00:09:41,276 Speaker 2: Jill refused to hear a full confession from Rick, but 135 00:09:41,396 --> 00:09:44,476 Speaker 2: she did hear and share with us a crucial piece. 136 00:09:45,996 --> 00:09:48,156 Speaker 2: Leaving Jill's place, Haley and I. 137 00:09:48,116 --> 00:10:02,796 Speaker 1: Decide we need to go back to Rick's fort. 138 00:10:05,396 --> 00:10:08,556 Speaker 2: Rick took a lot of women to his fort. He 139 00:10:08,636 --> 00:10:12,756 Speaker 2: took care Aaron McKellar there. He took Lisa Lapour there, 140 00:10:13,716 --> 00:10:18,396 Speaker 2: he took Raven there. Did he take my tries there too? 141 00:10:21,036 --> 00:10:24,156 Speaker 2: Rick had a special name for his fort. He called 142 00:10:24,196 --> 00:10:28,916 Speaker 2: it Chateau shangri La. It was a spooky place with 143 00:10:29,116 --> 00:10:34,036 Speaker 2: animal bones and carcasses from Rick's mountain man activities. There 144 00:10:34,076 --> 00:10:37,996 Speaker 2: was a big old oak tree from its branches. Rick 145 00:10:38,076 --> 00:10:45,436 Speaker 2: hung Ladies Lingerie. After months of playing hard to get 146 00:10:45,716 --> 00:10:50,956 Speaker 2: Rick's friend, Art Davis calls me up totally unexpectedly. He's 147 00:10:50,996 --> 00:10:53,596 Speaker 2: the guy we met by surprise at Cheri's house when 148 00:10:53,596 --> 00:10:57,516 Speaker 2: we knocked on the door there. One day, Art invites 149 00:10:57,596 --> 00:10:59,996 Speaker 2: us to his friend's place, just down the street from 150 00:10:59,996 --> 00:11:02,436 Speaker 2: the house Rick grew up in, in the lower part 151 00:11:02,476 --> 00:11:06,516 Speaker 2: of Montanito that's known as Malibu Meadows. We sit in 152 00:11:06,556 --> 00:11:08,836 Speaker 2: a grove of oak trees by a rushing creek. 153 00:11:10,036 --> 00:11:14,116 Speaker 7: You try to figure out what went awri Art's. 154 00:11:13,836 --> 00:11:17,036 Speaker 2: Been thinking a lot about Rick, pretty much NonStop since 155 00:11:17,036 --> 00:11:18,836 Speaker 2: we last met, and. 156 00:11:19,996 --> 00:11:23,476 Speaker 7: All of a sudden, you show up, Hannah. When you 157 00:11:23,516 --> 00:11:27,556 Speaker 7: show up, I'm going like, Wow, there's a conduit to 158 00:11:29,156 --> 00:11:30,196 Speaker 7: connecting the dots. 159 00:11:31,916 --> 00:11:34,956 Speaker 2: He tells us people in Montanito are afraid of the 160 00:11:35,036 --> 00:11:36,636 Speaker 2: questions we're asking about Rick. 161 00:11:37,676 --> 00:11:44,196 Speaker 7: They're afraid of you because they're kind of like letting 162 00:11:44,236 --> 00:11:48,076 Speaker 7: them go. You know, I just don't want to say 163 00:11:48,116 --> 00:11:52,836 Speaker 7: anything really, you know, bad about Rick, because I mean, 164 00:11:53,396 --> 00:11:56,356 Speaker 7: there's so many memories when I come down this creek 165 00:11:56,516 --> 00:11:59,836 Speaker 7: going to the bus stop. There's so many memories walking 166 00:11:59,876 --> 00:12:04,356 Speaker 7: through this yard, you know, on early growth of these trees. 167 00:12:04,396 --> 00:12:06,036 Speaker 7: And then when you come back to this place is 168 00:12:06,116 --> 00:12:10,116 Speaker 7: like the paradise that you left behind. You took it 169 00:12:10,156 --> 00:12:11,156 Speaker 7: for granted back then. 170 00:12:12,356 --> 00:12:14,396 Speaker 2: Art wants to help us get to the bottom of what, 171 00:12:14,756 --> 00:12:18,396 Speaker 2: if anything, happened between Rick and my trees, but he 172 00:12:18,476 --> 00:12:22,236 Speaker 2: always emphasizes that his intention is to persuade us that Rick, 173 00:12:22,756 --> 00:12:24,756 Speaker 2: the Rick he knew, is innocent. 174 00:12:25,996 --> 00:12:27,516 Speaker 7: I'm going to give you bread crumbs, you know. 175 00:12:29,876 --> 00:12:32,756 Speaker 2: Art tells us he never went to Rick's fort. It 176 00:12:32,876 --> 00:12:35,196 Speaker 2: kind of depressed him that his friend was living like that. 177 00:12:35,956 --> 00:12:38,436 Speaker 2: He just remembers seeing a photo of Rick at the fort, 178 00:12:38,676 --> 00:12:39,876 Speaker 2: sitting on his motorcycle. 179 00:12:40,876 --> 00:12:42,236 Speaker 7: He was always telling me about it. 180 00:12:42,236 --> 00:12:42,676 Speaker 6: Come up there. 181 00:12:42,716 --> 00:12:44,036 Speaker 7: No, I don't want to do that because I don't 182 00:12:44,036 --> 00:12:46,476 Speaker 7: want to identify with the fact that you want to 183 00:12:46,476 --> 00:12:49,316 Speaker 7: live off the grid. I just don't want to go 184 00:12:49,316 --> 00:12:51,236 Speaker 7: ahead and do that. But I'll hook up with you 185 00:12:51,316 --> 00:12:54,316 Speaker 7: somewhere else, like at work, and then we'll go out 186 00:12:54,316 --> 00:12:56,516 Speaker 7: to eat and we'll be civilized. 187 00:12:57,516 --> 00:12:59,356 Speaker 2: Haley and I had been planning to head to the 188 00:12:59,356 --> 00:13:02,396 Speaker 2: fort after our visit with Art. Haley's never seen it, 189 00:13:03,516 --> 00:13:06,436 Speaker 2: but Art isn't ready to say goodbye. He wants to 190 00:13:06,476 --> 00:13:09,516 Speaker 2: show us all these other spots up Payuma Road, his 191 00:13:09,676 --> 00:13:13,356 Speaker 2: little breadcrumbs, I guess. So we make a split second 192 00:13:13,396 --> 00:13:16,516 Speaker 2: decision and invite him to come with us to ricks 193 00:13:16,516 --> 00:13:20,476 Speaker 2: for it all right here for that? 194 00:13:20,916 --> 00:13:21,996 Speaker 7: Do you like windy roads? 195 00:13:22,156 --> 00:13:24,716 Speaker 3: No? No, but I brought my sour patch kids. 196 00:13:24,756 --> 00:13:25,956 Speaker 7: I'm the one who gets carsick. 197 00:13:26,836 --> 00:13:28,436 Speaker 2: We all pile into my car. 198 00:13:29,556 --> 00:13:33,636 Speaker 7: You're driving just fine, thank you. What will happen to 199 00:13:33,756 --> 00:13:36,876 Speaker 7: Dana and Art in the next exciting adventure? 200 00:13:37,516 --> 00:13:39,956 Speaker 2: We pull the car over in a turnout and head 201 00:13:39,996 --> 00:13:43,196 Speaker 2: into the brush. So I'm gonna pull vegetation now because 202 00:13:43,196 --> 00:13:45,756 Speaker 2: of all the rain. We get to a marker, I 203 00:13:45,796 --> 00:13:48,396 Speaker 2: remember from when I was here three years ago. Think 204 00:13:48,436 --> 00:13:49,876 Speaker 2: we can do it and make a sharp left. 205 00:13:49,996 --> 00:13:51,236 Speaker 7: I could have brought a machete. 206 00:13:51,316 --> 00:13:53,956 Speaker 8: Okay, so this is so overgrown, but. 207 00:13:53,956 --> 00:14:00,916 Speaker 2: We got to get crouched down. As we move deeper 208 00:14:00,956 --> 00:14:03,516 Speaker 2: into the woods, Art starts to hesitate. 209 00:14:04,476 --> 00:14:06,156 Speaker 7: You don't have to do this, you know, we can 210 00:14:06,196 --> 00:14:08,196 Speaker 7: do it in another time. We're here. 211 00:14:08,276 --> 00:14:09,556 Speaker 8: We're here, let's do it. 212 00:14:10,676 --> 00:14:14,316 Speaker 2: After a couple of minutes, we see the trash. First, 213 00:14:14,516 --> 00:14:17,956 Speaker 2: it's just a little pile of sun faded bludweiser cans. 214 00:14:18,996 --> 00:14:21,596 Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's Bloodweiser's Rick. 215 00:14:22,636 --> 00:14:24,636 Speaker 3: I was gonna say, is that is? 216 00:14:24,636 --> 00:14:24,916 Speaker 6: Is that his? 217 00:14:25,516 --> 00:14:26,316 Speaker 7: Your choice? 218 00:14:26,716 --> 00:14:26,916 Speaker 5: Yep. 219 00:14:27,756 --> 00:14:30,196 Speaker 2: Then as we get closer to the big tree that 220 00:14:30,316 --> 00:14:33,996 Speaker 2: mark's Rick's camp, we see more trash mixed into a 221 00:14:34,036 --> 00:14:37,956 Speaker 2: mound of loose, churned up leafy soil. There's an empty 222 00:14:38,036 --> 00:14:42,156 Speaker 2: jug of Sunny Delight, red bags, yogurt cups, a sharpie, 223 00:14:42,356 --> 00:14:45,116 Speaker 2: a toothbrush, a blue plastic razor. 224 00:14:45,756 --> 00:14:48,196 Speaker 7: That that would have been DNA at the wing wearing 225 00:14:48,316 --> 00:14:53,796 Speaker 7: right there. Razor Eli like to keep itself clean, He 226 00:14:53,956 --> 00:14:56,516 Speaker 7: like to keep knees and tiety. But he's hiding here. 227 00:14:57,316 --> 00:15:00,876 Speaker 2: I'm so confused by what I'm seeing I was here 228 00:15:01,036 --> 00:15:04,316 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one and none of this was here. 229 00:15:04,356 --> 00:15:08,676 Speaker 2: Then we've had two seasons of historic rainfall in Los 230 00:15:08,716 --> 00:15:12,876 Speaker 2: Angeles County. Is it possible that all this stuff was 231 00:15:13,116 --> 00:15:18,036 Speaker 2: buried underground and the flash floods and storms and atmospheric 232 00:15:18,156 --> 00:15:23,556 Speaker 2: rivers unearthed up. If this is Rick's garbage heap, that 233 00:15:23,756 --> 00:15:27,716 Speaker 2: means there could be something of my Teresa's here. We 234 00:15:27,756 --> 00:15:32,716 Speaker 2: don't say that out loud. We don't have to. Haley 235 00:15:32,756 --> 00:15:35,116 Speaker 2: and I start poking through the trash with sticks and 236 00:15:35,196 --> 00:15:37,516 Speaker 2: a blue plastic hangar we find lying in the dart. 237 00:15:38,436 --> 00:15:41,836 Speaker 2: We're not touching anything with our bare hands. It's disgusting, 238 00:15:42,236 --> 00:15:45,516 Speaker 2: but also who knows. We could find something that has 239 00:15:45,636 --> 00:15:49,356 Speaker 2: value as evidence, something that would link my trees to 240 00:15:49,436 --> 00:15:53,636 Speaker 2: this site and finally get the attention of law enforcement. 241 00:15:55,396 --> 00:15:58,316 Speaker 2: Several pieces of my Teresa's clothing were not found at 242 00:15:58,356 --> 00:16:02,236 Speaker 2: the remain site in Dark Canyon, her vans, her Bob 243 00:16:02,316 --> 00:16:04,956 Speaker 2: Marley T shirt, the brown hat she had with her 244 00:16:04,996 --> 00:16:09,076 Speaker 2: when she left the station, and then there's her id. 245 00:16:09,836 --> 00:16:11,596 Speaker 2: They're all I can think of while we dig. 246 00:16:12,276 --> 00:16:13,876 Speaker 5: What's the What is that? 247 00:16:13,876 --> 00:16:14,996 Speaker 7: That's a gas line? 248 00:16:15,436 --> 00:16:18,316 Speaker 2: Art looks like he wishes he'd stayed back in Montanito, 249 00:16:19,116 --> 00:16:22,356 Speaker 2: and he is actively trying to manage us. He thinks 250 00:16:22,636 --> 00:16:23,796 Speaker 2: we're being hysterical. 251 00:16:24,676 --> 00:16:28,956 Speaker 3: Look look in that hole, Art in there. Yeah, what's 252 00:16:28,956 --> 00:16:30,876 Speaker 3: that thing for the right thing? 253 00:16:31,716 --> 00:16:32,556 Speaker 7: Is that a pipe? 254 00:16:33,396 --> 00:16:38,596 Speaker 3: That big thing is that a pipe? It's this that thing? 255 00:16:40,836 --> 00:16:46,836 Speaker 7: Oh, come on, overreactact you're overreact? 256 00:16:47,076 --> 00:16:48,836 Speaker 6: What is that like? 257 00:16:50,316 --> 00:16:52,716 Speaker 2: And then we see it. 258 00:16:52,716 --> 00:16:54,716 Speaker 7: It's stuff his stuff right here. 259 00:16:55,476 --> 00:17:00,196 Speaker 2: It's a suitcase, plain black carry on size with a 260 00:17:00,196 --> 00:17:01,276 Speaker 2: brand tag on it. 261 00:17:01,836 --> 00:17:05,396 Speaker 7: See that name Embark or whatever is it Embark. 262 00:17:06,556 --> 00:17:10,436 Speaker 2: The suitcase is stained with mud and mold. Little bright 263 00:17:10,476 --> 00:17:14,516 Speaker 2: green plants are growing through it. But Art recognizes it. 264 00:17:15,476 --> 00:17:19,596 Speaker 2: He says it's the kind Rick would use. So this 265 00:17:19,676 --> 00:17:20,396 Speaker 2: looks familiar. 266 00:17:20,476 --> 00:17:20,996 Speaker 7: This looks like. 267 00:17:22,476 --> 00:17:22,676 Speaker 6: Art. 268 00:17:22,676 --> 00:17:29,636 Speaker 2: Prize. Open the main compartment. It's empty, but there are pockets. 269 00:17:30,476 --> 00:17:30,636 Speaker 7: Art. 270 00:17:30,676 --> 00:17:33,396 Speaker 3: If you're feeling continually brave, will you just unzip that 271 00:17:33,996 --> 00:17:34,636 Speaker 3: front bucket? 272 00:17:40,676 --> 00:17:44,076 Speaker 2: Oh lucky you are, there's two pockets. 273 00:17:45,996 --> 00:17:47,316 Speaker 7: Oh my god, Oh my god. 274 00:17:47,716 --> 00:17:54,676 Speaker 2: Inside is a mass of disintegrating women's lingerie, bras thongs, stockings, 275 00:17:55,316 --> 00:17:59,316 Speaker 2: a small black nightie with spaghetti straps, a mesh romper. 276 00:18:00,996 --> 00:18:03,956 Speaker 2: I catch Haley's eye. I can tell we're thinking the 277 00:18:04,036 --> 00:18:04,556 Speaker 2: same thing. 278 00:18:05,556 --> 00:18:05,836 Speaker 6: We know. 279 00:18:05,956 --> 00:18:09,476 Speaker 2: The bras don't belong to my trees. Her bra was 280 00:18:09,476 --> 00:18:14,076 Speaker 2: found in Dark Canyon, but her underpants were never found. 281 00:18:14,796 --> 00:18:15,796 Speaker 6: Is that ladies underwear? 282 00:18:16,036 --> 00:18:21,236 Speaker 2: Lady bra with roses on it. It's a surreal experience. 283 00:18:21,796 --> 00:18:26,516 Speaker 2: It's like this stuff just materialized, a whole suitcase of it. 284 00:18:27,476 --> 00:18:30,196 Speaker 2: And just to add to the bizarreness, while we're trying 285 00:18:30,236 --> 00:18:35,036 Speaker 2: to process what's happening, Art is frantically downplaying the whole thing. 286 00:18:36,516 --> 00:18:39,596 Speaker 6: These are tights. Those are those? Are his? 287 00:18:40,516 --> 00:18:41,156 Speaker 2: Are those tights? 288 00:18:41,236 --> 00:18:41,396 Speaker 4: Yeah? 289 00:18:41,396 --> 00:18:42,516 Speaker 6: These are tights. 290 00:18:42,956 --> 00:18:44,036 Speaker 7: It's like to stay warm. 291 00:18:44,756 --> 00:18:46,276 Speaker 2: Well maybe at friends. They're small. 292 00:18:46,276 --> 00:18:47,396 Speaker 1: I don't think these would fit him. 293 00:18:47,956 --> 00:18:54,036 Speaker 2: Let's do a little inventory. Ladies, small stockings, black underpants, 294 00:18:54,916 --> 00:19:00,116 Speaker 2: age underpants. Art starts making noises like he wants to 295 00:19:00,116 --> 00:19:03,156 Speaker 2: get out of the woods, which is great because we 296 00:19:03,196 --> 00:19:05,956 Speaker 2: want him out of our hair. We need to get 297 00:19:05,996 --> 00:19:08,916 Speaker 2: some gloves and some garbage bags and remove as much 298 00:19:08,956 --> 00:19:11,436 Speaker 2: of this stuff as we can before the sun goes down. 299 00:19:12,316 --> 00:19:14,756 Speaker 2: It's a long shot, but we're wondering if there could 300 00:19:14,796 --> 00:19:19,756 Speaker 2: be DNA evidence that would definitively connect Rick and my trees. 301 00:19:22,476 --> 00:19:25,756 Speaker 2: We drop Art in Montanito, drive to the nearest grocery 302 00:19:25,756 --> 00:19:34,076 Speaker 2: store and fill a shopping cart with supplies. We settle 303 00:19:34,116 --> 00:19:36,596 Speaker 2: for a box cutter instead of a knife, and a 304 00:19:36,716 --> 00:19:39,716 Speaker 2: kitty litter scooper for a shovel. They'll have to do. 305 00:19:41,996 --> 00:19:45,196 Speaker 2: We return to the fort with one goal to bring 306 00:19:45,276 --> 00:19:48,956 Speaker 2: back the contents of that suitcase and any other potential 307 00:19:48,996 --> 00:19:54,836 Speaker 2: evidence we can find. Back at the fort, the suitcase 308 00:19:54,996 --> 00:19:58,116 Speaker 2: is just where we left it. And now we notice 309 00:19:58,156 --> 00:20:01,236 Speaker 2: there's another pocket which we didn't open with art. 310 00:20:03,356 --> 00:20:04,276 Speaker 6: The zippers jimned. 311 00:20:10,196 --> 00:20:14,476 Speaker 2: Okay, so now we've got a oh, purple like string bra. 312 00:20:16,396 --> 00:20:19,036 Speaker 6: What do you call that? Oh? 313 00:20:19,076 --> 00:20:21,076 Speaker 3: My god, I don't know what. 314 00:20:21,156 --> 00:20:25,476 Speaker 6: This is, just some massive Ladies garments. 315 00:20:25,836 --> 00:20:29,556 Speaker 2: The underwear is wet and moldy and falling apart. I 316 00:20:29,676 --> 00:20:33,196 Speaker 2: hold open a garbage bag and Hayley deposits it piece 317 00:20:33,276 --> 00:20:33,756 Speaker 2: by piece. 318 00:20:35,836 --> 00:20:36,756 Speaker 4: Yeah, let's just start here. 319 00:20:36,836 --> 00:20:38,356 Speaker 2: Let's just bag let's bag up the. 320 00:20:38,316 --> 00:20:39,396 Speaker 1: Ladies underwear first. 321 00:20:40,076 --> 00:20:43,276 Speaker 2: We'll do a full accounting later. But even now, in 322 00:20:43,316 --> 00:20:46,716 Speaker 2: the moment, it's obvious that this collection does not connect 323 00:20:46,836 --> 00:20:51,796 Speaker 2: to just one woman. There are all different sizes small, medium, 324 00:20:52,076 --> 00:21:00,356 Speaker 2: extra large, and the styles are eclectic, solid black patterns, thongs, 325 00:21:00,796 --> 00:21:03,956 Speaker 2: granny panties, like girls T shirt. It makes sense that 326 00:21:04,076 --> 00:21:07,076 Speaker 2: some of these things would have belonged to Darien. She's 327 00:21:07,156 --> 00:21:09,796 Speaker 2: the dead girlfriend whose thong ricked like to put on, 328 00:21:10,396 --> 00:21:12,676 Speaker 2: and we've heard he kept a lot of her undergarments here. 329 00:21:13,436 --> 00:21:16,676 Speaker 2: But still it's pretty obvious that they are not all 330 00:21:16,836 --> 00:21:21,276 Speaker 2: hers a mouse. Now that we have gloves, we dig 331 00:21:21,356 --> 00:21:24,036 Speaker 2: through the mound of dirt around the suitcase a bit more. 332 00:21:24,916 --> 00:21:31,276 Speaker 2: Haley pulls up Rick's headlamp. It's bright yellow, and I 333 00:21:31,276 --> 00:21:35,596 Speaker 2: don't know why, but it feels so personal, like a 334 00:21:35,676 --> 00:21:40,516 Speaker 2: representation of Rick. It makes me think of him up 335 00:21:40,556 --> 00:21:45,196 Speaker 2: here in the dark. It's not an image. I want 336 00:21:45,196 --> 00:21:45,876 Speaker 2: to sit with. 337 00:21:47,796 --> 00:21:48,756 Speaker 6: You. Here's some more clothing. 338 00:21:49,916 --> 00:21:53,396 Speaker 2: We find more pieces of fabric in the mound, long 339 00:21:53,476 --> 00:21:57,996 Speaker 2: lacy strands that disappear deep into the earth, intertwining. 340 00:21:57,356 --> 00:21:58,316 Speaker 1: With the roots. 341 00:21:58,836 --> 00:22:01,396 Speaker 2: We pull on them, and I feel my guts turn 342 00:22:01,476 --> 00:22:06,996 Speaker 2: over nauseatingly, like I'm tugging on my own entrails. 343 00:22:07,516 --> 00:22:11,196 Speaker 6: This looks like a little kids lee hard. 344 00:22:12,236 --> 00:22:17,036 Speaker 2: I spot something bright, purply pink and shiny. It's a 345 00:22:17,116 --> 00:22:24,076 Speaker 2: kid's nightgown, like a toddler would wear. It's a Barbie princess. 346 00:22:24,636 --> 00:22:28,316 Speaker 2: It's crust or I mean, dizzy princess. That's what I mean, 347 00:22:29,236 --> 00:22:32,596 Speaker 2: I have no clue what to make of that it 348 00:22:32,676 --> 00:22:36,236 Speaker 2: goes in the bag. All I can think about are 349 00:22:36,236 --> 00:22:41,156 Speaker 2: my Teresa's missing things, her shoes, her T shirt, her 350 00:22:41,236 --> 00:22:46,036 Speaker 2: underpants if she was wearing them. 351 00:22:44,996 --> 00:22:53,436 Speaker 6: To find one little sign of her, if. 352 00:22:53,356 --> 00:22:54,796 Speaker 2: She was here, she was here for like. 353 00:22:54,796 --> 00:23:01,796 Speaker 3: One day, I know, or you just brought back something, 354 00:23:01,916 --> 00:23:02,116 Speaker 3: you know. 355 00:23:03,596 --> 00:23:05,116 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true. 356 00:23:06,276 --> 00:23:08,796 Speaker 2: I look over the mound of dirt again and notice 357 00:23:08,836 --> 00:23:12,876 Speaker 2: a long, narrow piece of green net like fabric. I've 358 00:23:12,916 --> 00:23:15,636 Speaker 2: always been stumped by the description of the material that 359 00:23:15,756 --> 00:23:19,996 Speaker 2: was found during my Teresa's second autopsy. The criminalists who 360 00:23:19,996 --> 00:23:24,556 Speaker 2: collected it described it as quote loose green fuzz like 361 00:23:24,876 --> 00:23:30,396 Speaker 2: hair slash fibers located near the legs. Could this green 362 00:23:30,476 --> 00:23:34,276 Speaker 2: fabric at the fort be connected to that green fuzz 363 00:23:34,436 --> 00:23:36,716 Speaker 2: found near my Teresa's legs? Hey, I think we should 364 00:23:36,716 --> 00:23:38,316 Speaker 2: get out of here. We put it in the bag, 365 00:23:39,756 --> 00:23:42,516 Speaker 2: and then we get out of there with a big 366 00:23:42,556 --> 00:23:44,796 Speaker 2: garbage bag full of molding underwear. 367 00:23:45,916 --> 00:23:47,156 Speaker 7: Well, what are we going to do with it? 368 00:23:47,676 --> 00:23:48,116 Speaker 1: I don't know. 369 00:23:48,796 --> 00:23:51,996 Speaker 2: So we don't feel like the beleving. We can't leave it. 370 00:23:53,716 --> 00:23:55,276 Speaker 1: I think we have to figure out what we're going 371 00:23:55,356 --> 00:23:55,836 Speaker 1: to do with them. 372 00:23:55,996 --> 00:23:59,756 Speaker 6: Yeah, and maybe like talk to some other people about it. 373 00:24:00,276 --> 00:24:03,796 Speaker 2: Yeah, we don't know exactly what to do with this stuff. 374 00:24:04,476 --> 00:24:07,276 Speaker 2: We just know we can't leave it out here. There's 375 00:24:07,276 --> 00:24:09,596 Speaker 2: some friend of Rick's who gets wind of it, could 376 00:24:09,596 --> 00:24:13,236 Speaker 2: come and move it. It might be our only potential 377 00:24:13,316 --> 00:24:16,756 Speaker 2: way of connecting my trees to the fort through physical evidence. 378 00:24:19,596 --> 00:24:23,636 Speaker 2: That night, it pours rain again and there's another flash flood. Warning. 379 00:24:24,596 --> 00:24:28,716 Speaker 2: My mind goes to Rick's fort. Maybe it would all 380 00:24:28,756 --> 00:24:32,996 Speaker 2: be gone, buried again or washed away except for what 381 00:24:33,076 --> 00:24:36,436 Speaker 2: we rescued in a garbage bag that's now locked in 382 00:24:36,476 --> 00:24:55,036 Speaker 2: Haley's office while we formulate a plan. We don't know 383 00:24:55,116 --> 00:24:59,676 Speaker 2: why law enforcements stopped pursuing Rick after the polygraph. Maybe 384 00:24:59,756 --> 00:25:03,836 Speaker 2: they learned something that excluded him, but we asked and 385 00:25:03,996 --> 00:25:06,996 Speaker 2: not one of the detectives we spoke to said Rick 386 00:25:07,076 --> 00:25:11,116 Speaker 2: had definitively been ruled out. Maybe it was just he 387 00:25:11,196 --> 00:25:15,876 Speaker 2: passed the polygraph. But even if law enforcement had wanted 388 00:25:15,916 --> 00:25:19,716 Speaker 2: to keep interrogating him, it would have been extremely difficult 389 00:25:20,476 --> 00:25:24,116 Speaker 2: because not long after he was interviewed, he sustained yet 390 00:25:24,236 --> 00:25:28,756 Speaker 2: another traumatic brain injury. He had a long history of those. 391 00:25:30,156 --> 00:25:31,356 Speaker 2: Art Davis again. 392 00:25:32,396 --> 00:25:34,476 Speaker 7: I mean he ran right into an eighty year old 393 00:25:34,516 --> 00:25:37,676 Speaker 7: eucalyptus tree like that. 394 00:25:38,356 --> 00:25:41,756 Speaker 2: In two thousand and one, Rick, driving drunk, had smashed 395 00:25:41,756 --> 00:25:44,356 Speaker 2: into a tree onto Pega Canyon Boulevard. 396 00:25:44,876 --> 00:25:47,716 Speaker 7: Exploded his you know, all his teeth and they put 397 00:25:47,756 --> 00:25:50,796 Speaker 7: all his teeth back in. He busted both knees, broke 398 00:25:50,836 --> 00:25:56,516 Speaker 7: his neck, you know, his back, his leg, all kinds 399 00:25:56,516 --> 00:25:59,116 Speaker 7: of stuff. I mean, they took the jaws alive man 400 00:25:59,156 --> 00:26:00,276 Speaker 7: and got him out of there. 401 00:26:01,236 --> 00:26:04,796 Speaker 2: Then, in the fall of twenty twelve, not long after 402 00:26:04,836 --> 00:26:08,356 Speaker 2: he took the polygraph and beat up Lisa Lapour, Rick 403 00:26:08,476 --> 00:26:12,276 Speaker 2: was riding his motorcycle down Payuma when he collided with 404 00:26:12,356 --> 00:26:15,796 Speaker 2: the Toyota Highlander at the intersection with Cold Canyon Road. 405 00:26:16,756 --> 00:26:20,036 Speaker 6: So he was on a motorcycle and he told my mom, Okay, 406 00:26:20,076 --> 00:26:22,356 Speaker 6: I'm going to go feed the dogs really fast at 407 00:26:22,356 --> 00:26:23,076 Speaker 6: his mom's house. 408 00:26:23,676 --> 00:26:27,516 Speaker 2: This is Shari Amic again. When the accident happened, Rick 409 00:26:27,676 --> 00:26:29,756 Speaker 2: was back living at Schari's parents' house. 410 00:26:30,716 --> 00:26:35,636 Speaker 6: And when I pulled up, my mom was standing outside, 411 00:26:35,836 --> 00:26:39,116 Speaker 6: and I knew there was something wrong. I just knew 412 00:26:39,196 --> 00:26:40,436 Speaker 6: right away because there was a chopper. 413 00:26:41,476 --> 00:26:43,076 Speaker 2: Rick wasn't wearing a helmet. 414 00:26:43,636 --> 00:26:46,996 Speaker 6: Rick was in a coma again, and this time you know, 415 00:26:47,276 --> 00:26:50,156 Speaker 6: everyone just said Rick's gonna die, and I was like, no, 416 00:26:50,276 --> 00:26:52,316 Speaker 6: he's not, No, he's not. 417 00:26:53,236 --> 00:26:56,516 Speaker 2: Rick didn't die. He emerged from his coma and the 418 00:26:56,556 --> 00:26:59,396 Speaker 2: first thing he did was to attack the hospital staff. 419 00:27:00,156 --> 00:27:04,076 Speaker 2: But he was probably no longer mentally capable of being interrogated, 420 00:27:04,596 --> 00:27:07,516 Speaker 2: and the detectives may have had no new leads to 421 00:27:07,556 --> 00:27:12,716 Speaker 2: pursue about him anyway. Over the next decade, Rick had 422 00:27:12,756 --> 00:27:15,756 Speaker 2: more accidents as his cognitive abilities declined. 423 00:27:16,636 --> 00:27:19,236 Speaker 6: So his heart is telling him, like, you know, he 424 00:27:19,276 --> 00:27:22,716 Speaker 6: always used to be, you know, very athletic and could 425 00:27:22,756 --> 00:27:25,476 Speaker 6: do anything, superman. I'm making it up those chairs well, 426 00:27:25,676 --> 00:27:27,236 Speaker 6: you know, off balance, No you're not. 427 00:27:27,916 --> 00:27:30,396 Speaker 2: He spent his final years in a nursing home. 428 00:27:31,196 --> 00:27:39,836 Speaker 6: I went to go see Rick. Rick couldn't talk, he 429 00:27:39,876 --> 00:27:48,316 Speaker 6: couldn't speak. He could understand me, he understood everything. And 430 00:27:48,356 --> 00:27:52,316 Speaker 6: they had him heavily drugged, very heavily sedated, you know, 431 00:27:52,356 --> 00:27:55,796 Speaker 6: because he's going to try to get up. He's just 432 00:27:55,836 --> 00:27:57,756 Speaker 6: going to try to get up and do things his 433 00:27:57,756 --> 00:27:58,916 Speaker 6: body can't do anymore. 434 00:28:00,276 --> 00:28:04,636 Speaker 2: Most of Rick's old friends stayed away. Even Cherie found 435 00:28:04,676 --> 00:28:08,636 Speaker 2: it almost intolerable to see him so diminished. He was 436 00:28:08,716 --> 00:28:11,516 Speaker 2: only in his sixties, but he was unable to speak 437 00:28:11,636 --> 00:28:15,676 Speaker 2: or walk. It felt to her like everything was catching 438 00:28:15,756 --> 00:28:16,276 Speaker 2: up with Rick. 439 00:28:17,436 --> 00:28:20,916 Speaker 6: Rick is alive, but this is like, oh shit, now 440 00:28:20,956 --> 00:28:25,796 Speaker 6: he's going to pay for all you know, the times 441 00:28:25,796 --> 00:28:30,396 Speaker 6: he didn't listen, you know, like a little kid just 442 00:28:30,396 --> 00:28:34,716 Speaker 6: didn't listen, did what he wanted to do, reckless fun Rick. 443 00:28:35,996 --> 00:28:39,556 Speaker 2: When Rick died in December twenty nineteen, he had a 444 00:28:39,596 --> 00:28:43,316 Speaker 2: picture of his son, Ricky taped above his bed. No 445 00:28:43,396 --> 00:28:46,396 Speaker 2: one had told him Ricky had died two years earlier, 446 00:28:46,956 --> 00:28:53,716 Speaker 2: at the age of twenty two. Rick didn't make formal 447 00:28:53,756 --> 00:28:57,556 Speaker 2: amends for his mistakes in life. That person. Haley and 448 00:28:57,556 --> 00:29:00,356 Speaker 2: I were hoping to find someone he might have confessed 449 00:29:00,396 --> 00:29:02,716 Speaker 2: to about my Terse, what he knew, or what he 450 00:29:02,756 --> 00:29:07,556 Speaker 2: may have done. We never found that person, but we 451 00:29:07,636 --> 00:29:14,836 Speaker 2: did find Rick's poems. Yes, it turns out Rick wrote poetry. 452 00:29:16,236 --> 00:29:19,156 Speaker 2: In the fall of twenty ten, about two months after 453 00:29:19,276 --> 00:29:23,356 Speaker 2: my Terce's remains were found, Rick started a blog, Prose 454 00:29:23,596 --> 00:29:27,196 Speaker 2: of a Khan. He published a number of poems, most 455 00:29:27,196 --> 00:29:30,956 Speaker 2: of them centered on themes of drug addiction, deception, regret, 456 00:29:31,276 --> 00:29:35,596 Speaker 2: and the hope for forgiveness in the afterlife. For example, 457 00:29:35,796 --> 00:29:39,996 Speaker 2: quote as I lost my integrity the truth all but dies, 458 00:29:40,436 --> 00:29:43,316 Speaker 2: and when it all comes forth, I'm caught in my 459 00:29:43,476 --> 00:29:48,556 Speaker 2: lies unquote. In the poems, Rick writes a lot about 460 00:29:48,596 --> 00:29:52,716 Speaker 2: finding salvation through God, and for spiritual guidance, he turned 461 00:29:52,716 --> 00:29:56,516 Speaker 2: to his former girlfriend Karen McKellar. She'd gotten away from 462 00:29:56,596 --> 00:30:00,076 Speaker 2: drugs and into God and spent her adult life counseling 463 00:30:00,156 --> 00:30:04,596 Speaker 2: female addicts as part of a Christian ministry. Karen says 464 00:30:04,836 --> 00:30:07,116 Speaker 2: that for about a year after Rick took her up 465 00:30:07,156 --> 00:30:09,916 Speaker 2: to the fort and put on the thong, he reached 466 00:30:09,996 --> 00:30:13,716 Speaker 2: out to her obsessively and it was always about the 467 00:30:13,756 --> 00:30:14,316 Speaker 2: same thing. 468 00:30:15,516 --> 00:30:18,836 Speaker 4: He called me and and he was asking me questions 469 00:30:18,876 --> 00:30:19,636 Speaker 4: about Christ. 470 00:30:20,516 --> 00:30:24,556 Speaker 2: It seemed like Rick was seeking absolution for the life 471 00:30:24,596 --> 00:30:25,076 Speaker 2: he lived. 472 00:30:26,276 --> 00:30:28,836 Speaker 4: And then I told him, you know, Jesus is the 473 00:30:28,876 --> 00:30:32,796 Speaker 4: only way, Rick, you know, you really need to surrender 474 00:30:33,116 --> 00:30:35,676 Speaker 4: to him. And so I was trying to, you know, 475 00:30:35,796 --> 00:30:39,236 Speaker 4: help him, and on the phone only because I would 476 00:30:39,276 --> 00:30:42,276 Speaker 4: not come back there, but he always would call me, 477 00:30:42,316 --> 00:30:46,036 Speaker 4: you know, interrupt me in my life. And so then 478 00:30:46,076 --> 00:30:48,516 Speaker 4: it was kind of like a client and a sad 479 00:30:48,716 --> 00:30:51,956 Speaker 4: soul that I was trying to help get saved. And 480 00:30:52,596 --> 00:30:55,396 Speaker 4: he told me, he goes, yeah, Well, I prayed to 481 00:30:55,476 --> 00:30:57,636 Speaker 4: the tree, and I said, Rick, the tree isn't going 482 00:30:57,756 --> 00:30:58,316 Speaker 4: to save you. 483 00:30:59,196 --> 00:31:02,076 Speaker 2: Rick was praying to the big tree at his fort, 484 00:31:02,836 --> 00:31:04,716 Speaker 2: the one where he hung the bras. 485 00:31:04,916 --> 00:31:07,596 Speaker 4: I told him, you need to confess all your whatever 486 00:31:07,676 --> 00:31:12,036 Speaker 4: it is that you're going through, because he was so troubled. 487 00:31:13,116 --> 00:31:16,836 Speaker 4: So when he told me that he prayed to the tree, 488 00:31:17,636 --> 00:31:20,116 Speaker 4: I was like, I'm this is just a waste of time. 489 00:31:20,116 --> 00:31:23,396 Speaker 4: And I ended up blocking them off my phone because 490 00:31:23,396 --> 00:31:26,756 Speaker 4: I couldn't take the you know calls. All the time 491 00:31:27,836 --> 00:31:30,076 Speaker 4: I was praying for him, you know, because it was sad, 492 00:31:30,276 --> 00:31:34,116 Speaker 4: very he was not mentally stable. So yes, I think 493 00:31:34,276 --> 00:31:38,156 Speaker 4: for sure he was looking for salvation and I prayed 494 00:31:38,196 --> 00:31:38,676 Speaker 4: found it. 495 00:31:45,996 --> 00:31:48,796 Speaker 2: Back at the office, Haley goes through the contents of 496 00:31:48,836 --> 00:31:52,316 Speaker 2: the garbage bag. She makes a catalog and we go 497 00:31:52,436 --> 00:31:55,316 Speaker 2: through it, marking the items that seem like they could 498 00:31:55,356 --> 00:31:59,596 Speaker 2: potentially connect to my trees. Black thong with lace down 499 00:31:59,636 --> 00:32:06,316 Speaker 2: the front, rampage, size medium black thong, badly degraded Zanana outfitters, 500 00:32:06,556 --> 00:32:11,756 Speaker 2: size medium, two black thongs, no labels, and the piece 501 00:32:11,836 --> 00:32:16,596 Speaker 2: of green net fabric. We contact a private forensic lab. 502 00:32:17,116 --> 00:32:20,316 Speaker 2: The DNA expert there tells us that even though these 503 00:32:20,356 --> 00:32:24,316 Speaker 2: items have been moldering, possibly underground for more than a decade. 504 00:32:24,956 --> 00:32:28,836 Speaker 2: It's entirely possible they'll be able to identify a DNA signature. 505 00:32:30,196 --> 00:32:32,396 Speaker 2: This clothing might have nothing to do with my trees, 506 00:32:32,956 --> 00:32:36,516 Speaker 2: but we've got to see this through before we send 507 00:32:36,556 --> 00:32:38,396 Speaker 2: it to a lab. Though. We have to go see 508 00:32:38,396 --> 00:32:42,876 Speaker 2: her dad, Michael. We need to return my Teres's journals 509 00:32:43,476 --> 00:32:46,316 Speaker 2: and we're hoping he might have something more to share 510 00:32:46,356 --> 00:32:52,916 Speaker 2: with us. Next time on Lost Hills. 511 00:32:53,796 --> 00:32:57,636 Speaker 8: It's in a ziplock bag and some just told me 512 00:32:57,716 --> 00:32:59,236 Speaker 8: never get rid of and I couldn't do it if 513 00:32:59,276 --> 00:33:02,356 Speaker 8: I wanted to, you know, So I just always felt 514 00:33:02,396 --> 00:33:06,036 Speaker 8: like someday somehow we got to need him, We got 515 00:33:06,036 --> 00:33:09,196 Speaker 8: to need him. Yeah, So let me know when you're ready. 516 00:33:10,316 --> 00:33:15,316 Speaker 2: That's next in episode twelve, Dig two Graves, the final 517 00:33:15,396 --> 00:33:22,156 Speaker 2: episode of season four of Lost Hills. 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