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Speaker 1: What up world, Welcome back to all the smoke from

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Speaker 1: Las Vegas. A legend suite. Pagro was good ship you man.

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Speaker 1: We killed him this week. This is a big episode.

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Speaker 1: Big brother to me, I really appreciate him because when

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Speaker 1: the Big Three started a lot of people didn't believe

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Speaker 1: me in. I was just punishing boars, upon punishing knew

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Speaker 1: he made a mistake. No, I was punishing boys. I

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Speaker 1: was punishing boys. But now we got our big bro

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Speaker 1: on the show to day coach of the Portland Trailblazers,

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Speaker 1: Big Shot Johnson Billips. Like you said, we've been trying

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Speaker 1: to line this up for a minute. I know. I'm

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Speaker 1: happy we got it. All about timing getting ready for

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Speaker 1: you too. How are you feeling what's going on? Man?

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Speaker 1: I'm excited for real. Man. Like year one was rough,

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Speaker 1: it was really rough. Um. I was really excited obviously

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Speaker 1: Dame was hurt the whole time. C J punctured his lunge.

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Speaker 1: I mean it just was a lot. And then we

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Speaker 1: ended up, changing gears, making the moves we made, and

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Speaker 1: we just took some lumps, bro like crazy. So I'm

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Speaker 1: so excited now that we didn't kind of build the

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Speaker 1: team the way that I like. Dudes, I let you

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm really excited. Dang's back healthy. The young

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Speaker 1: last year. He cod as much as you don't want

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Speaker 1: to see c J. Leave Simmons is nice. Yeah, ye know,

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Speaker 1: I'm all about develop let him rock each showed the

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Speaker 1: world that a nice So I'm excited about your two

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Speaker 1: for real. What kind of identity you trying to implement

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Speaker 1: with this team. I mean you were someone who won

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Speaker 1: your championship of a defense, like you said before, sharing

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Speaker 1: and y'all too notice like the game has changed so much,

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Speaker 1: you gotta be good teammates. You gotta sacrifice. None of

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Speaker 1: those things I've ever changed. Now. You know, the concepts

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Speaker 1: changed at all from the generations before us too. Now

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Speaker 1: the best teams that you see, bro, they play together,

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Speaker 1: But everything is all the same. So I see the

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Speaker 1: we're gonna compete, We're gonna be We're gonna be hard man.

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Speaker 1: I like bones out there, key new pieces. Obviously, Simon

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Speaker 1: Like you said that, you've got guys that the kind

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Speaker 1: But he he's really from a generation before that he's

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Speaker 1: with the little dudes. You know what I mean, like,

425
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:57,200
Speaker 1: I'm that guy. You hired people around you that could

426
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,160
Speaker 1: be that guy like you just you have to find

427
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: a way to like to make it that way because

428
00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 1: we need it. Yeah, for sure in Minnesota the first

429
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: year as you make the playoffs. What was it like

430
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 1: playing with kg Man, that dude, as y'all know, like,

431
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: just never I've never seen nothing like it. You know

432
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: what what you see on TV, what everybody sees on

433
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:21,080
Speaker 1: TV is ever running around cussing and going crazy all

434
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 1: the time. The intensity the investment that he has into

435
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:33,639
Speaker 1: it is every single day practice shoot around, we're hooping

436
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,399
Speaker 1: five on is. I've never seen nothing like it. I

437
00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: really never seen nothing like it. So it was fun

438
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 1: to be able to play with him. You know, Um,

439
00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:43,360
Speaker 1: I thought he made me better, you know, by way

440
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 1: of just how he how he led the squad. We

441
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,120
Speaker 1: had a good connection, man, We had a good little thing.

442
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: And that was at a time where my career was

443
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: really kind of hanging in the balance. So it was

444
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 1: an important part of my career being there with with Tick.

445
00:23:56,560 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 1: So I'm thankful that's my that's my man. Summer vote

446
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 1: to five year deal to go to Detroit. What made

447
00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 1: you choose Detroit. I really wanted to stay in Minnesota,

448
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,479
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, because my career really kind

449
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 1: of changed, and Terrell Brandon was hurt, so that's how

450
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 1: my opportunity came. Well, he was about to get back

451
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: healthy and m tired of bouncing around. Yeah, man, I

452
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 1: just felt like Detroit was on They was on the

453
00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 1: up at that time. They had just went to the

454
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: second round of the playoffs. They had been who was

455
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 1: just got defensive Player of the year, Corlas just got

456
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,119
Speaker 1: six Man of the year, where Carlisle got Coach of

457
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: the Year. I just felt like they needed a point guard.

458
00:24:39,200 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: They had stack at the time, but I knew, you know,

459
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: we ended up trading and getting ripped. But I just

460
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: felt like there was kind of a point guard away

461
00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: and I was finally ready to lead. I was finally

462
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 1: I learned all I needed to learn. I've been through

463
00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 1: that ship and it was beautiful. Joe d was obviously

464
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Speaker 1: the go the head man and charge and learned up

465
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: and learn from him was killer. So I just felt

466
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,920
Speaker 1: good about it, man, And once I got there, when

467
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 1: I was ready, never look back a new level. I

468
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: think you hit on something important right there, because a

469
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: lot of us get into the league, and a lot

470
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 1: of fans don't understand this. Younger players maybe playing and

471
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 1: getting minutes, but when do you your life turned down?

472
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,919
Speaker 1: What's that you're five year six for you? It takes

473
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,959
Speaker 1: a good three, four or five years to really understand

474
00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,360
Speaker 1: the NBA game. And people understand that you can get

475
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: thrown in the fire and play well here and there,

476
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: but understand the intricacies of the game. It takes a

477
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,360
Speaker 1: handful of years. Well it does. And and the irony

478
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:42,399
Speaker 1: of it is, say, say when I went to Boston,

479
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: they just threw me the ball and just let me

480
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: hoop right like they do a lot of people. Well, yeah,

481
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,960
Speaker 1: I would have got numbers, I would have got bad

482
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 1: I would have got all of that. But when you

483
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: have to get on the team and you've got to

484
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,360
Speaker 1: learn how to like actually play with other good players

485
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 1: and know what it takes to win, that's a that's

486
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,000
Speaker 1: a totally different deal. So I was forced to kind

487
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: of do that. Most top picks that go to tough

488
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 1: or bad teams, they don't really learn how to win.

489
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:15,280
Speaker 1: They don't learn what it takes to be a real

490
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: winner in the game. But you know, I was lucky

491
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,640
Speaker 1: Carlisle gets fired and No. Three despite finishing the number

492
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 1: one seed, coach Larry Brown comes in. What change when

493
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:31,000
Speaker 1: he came in? Larry is so funny. One of my

494
00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,439
Speaker 1: college coaches told me back in college, like, you need

495
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 1: to play for Larry Brown one day, and I didn't

496
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: know what that meant. And I always just heard about tough.

497
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,160
Speaker 1: This dude being really tough on point guards Man Man

498
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: Man and Larry Man. I love him to death, I

499
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: really do. But I lost a lot of sleeping with

500
00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,840
Speaker 1: Larry Man. Straight up. I lost a lot of sleep.

501
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: I usul to come back from trips. One time. One

502
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: time I came back from a trip. My wife was

503
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: in to be a sleeping I wake up them like babe,

504
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: tired as hill, right, I said, but I gotta talk

505
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: to you. So I started talking. I'm going right, I'm

506
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 1: just talking about him, man, what I'm going through. I

507
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: look over. She knocked the funk out right. I just

508
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: kept talking, bro, just yeah. But this dude, man, Larry Like,

509
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 1: he taught me so much. He may so demanding, he's

510
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: relentless and um, but he cares though, he really does care. Um.

511
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: And he made our team into what it was. Uh.

512
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: But I learned a lot from him, but it was

513
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 1: it was tough. It was some some real tough lessons,

514
00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 1: but I'm grateful for him. The guard position in the

515
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: two thousand's, I mean d Way, Kid, Iverson, Baron g

516
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: p CP three, nash Um Gilbert, who was some of

517
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: the funder matchups you look forward to. Man, all of

518
00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 1: those dudes were so good. They was all fun because

519
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: it was all different, you know, Like I would say

520
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: my toughest Matt's was probably well one of them was

521
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,000
Speaker 1: Chasing Ai. He's just I mean, he's just a nightmare

522
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: because you could hear him like, you know, I'm physical.

523
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: You can hit him as hard as you're gonna keep coming.

524
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: He ain't never gonna lay down, you never get tired.

525
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: He was just he was. He was a beast. But

526
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 1: then you got guys like like gil who was as

527
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: big as me, but he's fast like AI, and he

528
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,560
Speaker 1: shoot from where they're shoot him from now, and he

529
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: don't got no conscience given you know what I'm saying,

530
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: Like he asked you like he don't care. So he

531
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:42,479
Speaker 1: was tough like obviously d Wade and Stephen Marbury was

532
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 1: always really tough. B D nightmare you know like it

533
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: was was a problem. Bro b d was incredible and

534
00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 1: he could guard though like both sides, so not a

535
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: lot of dudes was really as strong as me. He

536
00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: was and he was athletic. There was a nightmare. Every

537
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: night was crazy. It was crazy. So initial thoughts, Detroit

538
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: has a number two pick, you got a chance to

539
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: get Carmelo Anthony. We talked to him about this ship

540
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,520
Speaker 1: and he his whole energy chains. The thought of what

541
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: would have happened if I would have got drafted by Detroit.

542
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: You guys take dark Oh obviously took a chance. Didn't work,

543
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: but you guys had a hell of a team. But

544
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 1: imagine that team with Carmelo Anthony. Oh my goodness, man,

545
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,080
Speaker 1: what was your guys initial thought process? Though? When it happened,

546
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: we all thought we was taking Melow. We all was

547
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: on deck and we was always on board. We all

548
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: thought Mellows, mellow, mellow. We excited. It was perfect. U.

549
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: Obviously we had a team. We took Tashawn a year before,

550
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: but they would have been perfect six man, he didn't

551
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: do whatever you know, um so I thought we was

552
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: perfectly built to have Melo. Um So what you're starting

553
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: lineup would have been if Mellow would have came, Mello

554
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: would have been at the three um richeously ripped myself

555
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: being we didn't have sheet at the time. Later season, yeah,

556
00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: during the by the end of the season, so it

557
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: would have been she been Mellow and rip with Tayshawn

558
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:15,200
Speaker 1: coming off the bench doing everything. It would have been crazy.

559
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: Here's the here's the interesting question. I say this all

560
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: the time. So if we do get Mellow, when was

561
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: Brown gonna ever take over? Because people forget Mellow was

562
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 1: neck and neck with Bron rookiev rookie season. But now

563
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: we're in the same division. But he has you, you

564
00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: have a he has a way better support system with y'all.

565
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. Now heat now he gonna get

566
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: raised right in the game. His whole directory of his

567
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 1: career changes narrative on him, his legacy. So I'm saying,

568
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 1: Bron is Bron and we all know he's incredible on

569
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: the Mount rushmore, but when was he ever gonna beat

570
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: and better than y'all with Mellow? You know what I'm saying,

571
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: Like it's it's a it's an interesting question. Yeah, but yeah,

572
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: we all thought we was. We all thought it was Mellow.

573
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: We was taking Mellow. Damn who was the gym at

574
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:18,239
Speaker 1: the time, Joe Dumars Damn, Joe d Yeah, yeah, that's

575
00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: tricky up. I guess go ahead, Jack, two thousand four finals,

576
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: the old world say you didn't have a shot. No,

577
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: y'all wasn't thinking that. What was that? What was your

578
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 1: training thought? We're here, it's funny, man, but we thought

579
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: they didn't have a shot. M hmm, like for real though,

580
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:37,239
Speaker 1: not even know nothing cocky though, Like we was just

581
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: we felt like the way that they played and the

582
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: way that we played, we was a team dog like

583
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: we knew that, yeah we can't stop Cold, we can't

584
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 1: stop Shock. Then they're the best two players in the

585
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: whole series. But our game plan was gonna be thorough,

586
00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: and we knew that they couldn't stop picking rows with

587
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: me and they couldn't stop rip on in downs. So

588
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: we knew that we had two things that no way

589
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: that they could stop it. We can get a good

590
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: shot anytime, and we knew we was just gonna trap

591
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: the hell out of Colde and we was gonna play

592
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: Shock straight up and try to stay out of foul trouble.

593
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: We was gonna be fine. I really really felt like

594
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 1: there was no way that they could beat us in

595
00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: the series. I said, and told my wife that before

596
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: the series. She laughed at me. She even laughed at

597
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: me like, man, what Yeah. Ham was sitting here earlier

598
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: today and he just said he felt like something was

599
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: off with them, a little bit between their big they're

600
00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: big two, and you guys seen it and just went

601
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 1: to work on it. Yeah, we played into that, like

602
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: for instance, like I'm sitting there, like we we know

603
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 1: that we could beat them. It wasn't a talent thing.

604
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: We didn't have the best talent in the series. We

605
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: had the best team and we did play on that.

606
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: You know, at that time Cod had one finals m

607
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: v P. It's always been shocked. We knew they had

608
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: their little thing, and we really played into the you know,

609
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: we really did, Like we we trapped Code. Code was

610
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: really frustrated with us trapping him. We played shock Man

611
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: and man shot getting thirty five and eighteen. But we're

612
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: keeping them on the floor because we going at you

613
00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, like our game plan was really good.

614
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: It played in today's Psyche. They didn't really let g

615
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: P or the Karl Malone. They didn't throw them the ball.

616
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: They didn't let them do nothing. You know what I mean,

617
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: You know what the triangle was. So we had to

618
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: worry about code, worry about shock everybody else. We just

619
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 1: stayed close. They don't have no freedom. We just had

620
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: too many weapons. We had too many weapons, and we

621
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: just had we played faster. We was just a better

622
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 1: basketball team. You have a twenty one five shot, four

623
00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: to seven percent from from three, and want to find

624
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 1: his m v P big shot, she said, his whole

625
00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: life flash when the buzzer sounded. Talk about that knowing

626
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: you were a champion. Yeah, yeah, that that was obviously

627
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: my shoting moment in my career. She would say the same,

628
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: riprote everybody would say the same, because that's how we

629
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 1: played for you know, for the win. You know, that's

630
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: that's how I grew up in the game. Is you

631
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: talked about going against other guys and competing against other

632
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:20,359
Speaker 1: guys and all those names you listed. The only thing

633
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,399
Speaker 1: as a point guard that matters is winning. So if

634
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: I win. So you you got and twelve, I got

635
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: eighteen and eleven, but I won. I want to match him.

636
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: That's how I'm built though, what I mean, So like

637
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: all I cared about was winning, and I always felt

638
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: like I could lead. I always felt like I could

639
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:46,360
Speaker 1: be a great player, and so in that moment, I

640
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 1: validated that for not only for myself, for everybody. So

641
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 1: it was it was my shoin and it was my

642
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: shining moment. It was the best moment, you know, my

643
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: best sports moment in my life as being able to

644
00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: win it. I didn't even care about the finals MVP.

645
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: I would wasn't gunning for that. I just want to

646
00:35:01,760 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: be a champion. I wasn't gonna for that at all.

647
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,560
Speaker 1: I didn't care about that. I wanted to be know

648
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't care about that. I want to

649
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: be a champion. So that was the That was the

650
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: best feeling in the world. It was. It was the greatest.

651
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 1: She said. They stayed up and ran the damn all night,

652
00:35:18,960 --> 00:35:22,279
Speaker 1: back and forth all night all night. I still didn't drink.

653
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is I told the funniest thing

654
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: I told. I promised See that I would smoke with

655
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: him if we won, and I promised bending them that

656
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: I drink. Didn't do either. So we won, right, I

657
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,320
Speaker 1: was like, I ain't doing it because you know why,

658
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: I don't want to forget about nothing that happened tonight. Yeah,

659
00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: that's gonna you know what I'm saying. I don't want

660
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: to be too. I don't want to be nothing. So

661
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: it was just from until the next morning was just

662
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: straight had watching everybody be crazy, laughing at everybody. Yeah

663
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: that's crazy. Give me uh. I had to actually this too,

664
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: But malice in the Palace? Yeah, what was going on

665
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: through your mind doing all that? That shup? It was sad, man,

666
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 1: It was really sad because it was just unfortunate, bro,

667
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 1: because it was it wasn't really a good game at

668
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: the time. I mean, y'all cracticue y'all was playing with

669
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:20,720
Speaker 1: a different little chip than we was at the time.

670
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: And I say this all the time, like it wouldn't

671
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 1: have if if Ron would have just fought to do

672
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,760
Speaker 1: they wanted to fight him, it wouldn't have been no malicson.

673
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: We gave to people what they wanted, just fight to

674
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 1: do that grabbed you on your neck. If we just

675
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: did that, we wouldn't be talking about it this year.

676
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: We've just been like, damn that they boys got at it.

677
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: That's it, that's it, which was what the league used

678
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:48,479
Speaker 1: to be anyway. But if that didn't happen, you know, um,

679
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,479
Speaker 1: And it was really unfortunate because what most people don't

680
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: know is that even though when were in the battle,

681
00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: it's on, but we all friends, homies, that we work

682
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: out in the summer, like we all cool. So that's

683
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: what the world don't know. And what the perception is

684
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: that we was fighting, y'all. The reality is none of

685
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: us fought at all. It was the fans fighting, y'all,

686
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:21,600
Speaker 1: and it was everybody else like wait, hold on, but

687
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, perception is everything, you know, But it was unfortunately.

688
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,760
Speaker 1: Remember getting back to our locker room and Larry Brown,

689
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: our coach, was sobbing crying like somebody died. And when

690
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: he finally came to, he was just like we gave

691
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: the game a black eye, know what I'm saying. So

692
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: like it was just sad man. My my daughter who's

693
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 1: in here right now, my my wife, my two two

694
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: dollars at the time now three. But they was there,

695
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: the Hans boys was there, everybody crying. It just was crazy.

696
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: So it was unfortunate, man, it really was. Unfortunately. Blockbuster

697
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: Trade was an eight involving you for Alan Iverson. What

698
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 1: was your first reaction to the trade, I was surprised.

699
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 1: I was surprised because, um, you know, they told me

700
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,280
Speaker 1: I wasn't going nowhere again again for like a fifth time.

701
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: Especially you know, you kind of believe it at that moment,

702
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 1: and for what all I did for the you know,

703
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: for the organization for the city. So I was surprised.

704
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,399
Speaker 1: I was Remember I was in Charlotte. We was four

705
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,800
Speaker 1: and oh at the time started season. I was getting dressed,

706
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: um for shoot around. My wife called me and she

707
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: was like, what's going on. I'm like, what you mean?

708
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: She was like, turn on Sports Center. That's how I

709
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: found out I got traded from the Troite bro going across.

710
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 1: You were in the locker room. No, I'm in my

711
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 1: hotel getting ready for getting ready for shoot around in

712
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: the morning. So that's how I found out, which you

713
00:38:54,719 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: know how you yeah, it was. It was. I was

714
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: really surprised by it. Broke up a lot of stuff.

715
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 1: I mean, we was ripped still. Everybody was still. Dan

716
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 1: was gone, you know. But um, yeah, I was really

717
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: surprised by I was hurt by it too. You know,

718
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: I love the Troy. You know, that's that's where that's

719
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 1: what it is. You know, I got I got a

720
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: huge affinity for that city, for the organization, but you know,

721
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: business happens. You know, business happens. And I then kind

722
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: of just readjusted my lens when I went to Denver.

723
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: It was really it was just chuck for me, you know.

724
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: And Um then was all my boys too, Kmar Bird,

725
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: Mellow Swiss Jr. So much my guys, but they had

726
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: never won more than one game in a playoff series

727
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: in like seven years, and I'm like, why all this talent?

728
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 1: So I just looked at it as a great challenge

729
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: for me, um to really just kind of put my

730
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 1: ism on the situation. But home on top of it though,

731
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: and I'm at the house. I'm at home. It was

732
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: just a beautiful thing, even though I never wanted it

733
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: to happen. So I just want to take full advantage

734
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:11,840
Speaker 1: of it and see how far we could press it.

735
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 1: What's it like playing now? You get your chance to

736
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:24,239
Speaker 1: play with Prime Mellow. You guys both make the All

737
00:40:24,239 --> 00:40:27,439
Speaker 1: Star Game in the first year together. What was he like? Man?

738
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: It was so much fun. I feel like at the

739
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:34,240
Speaker 1: time I was like thirty two into my prime. Still good,

740
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: but I can't really carry the team but he could

741
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: carry it every night, and so I really needed him,

742
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, I really needed him. And

743
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 1: he was unstoppable. Don't understand he could give it to

744
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,719
Speaker 1: you on three levels however you want it. I mean,

745
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: it was incredible. This dude was the most talented dude

746
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,840
Speaker 1: I ever ever seen, ever played with UM, and I

747
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 1: needed him after that time in my career, and he

748
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: obviously needed me too. So it was a perfect was

749
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: literally perfect. And he listened and Mellow he never missed

750
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: a practice, He practiced hard. He come to work every day.

751
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: It was beautiful. I just was like, damn, what why

752
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: they can't get over the hump? But then you know,

753
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: you start, you start to just make people refocused. And

754
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,839
Speaker 1: I come in you know how I come, You know

755
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: how I am anyway over every day with it. So

756
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: I think they kind of understood, like damn, it's a

757
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: little shriff, like we gotta we gotta square up a

758
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 1: little bit. And it was, man, it was. It was

759
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: so much fun. It ended up being one of my

760
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: most fun seasons. Um being able to turn that help

761
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: turn that thing around two thousand nine, the number two

762
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:41,319
Speaker 1: seeds in the West, Mellow Jr. Kmart nay name. You

763
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: guys are really I feel like you guys have a

764
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: chance to win the championship. Yeah, you guys run into

765
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:48,880
Speaker 1: Code in the Western Finals. Talking us about this series. Man,

766
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: that series was so good. It was so good. I

767
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: felt like, um, I felt like the winner of that

768
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 1: series is gonna win it all. That was the finals.

769
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: That was it. That was it, And we did a

770
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: good job. We stole one of the games, one of

771
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 1: the first two games. The really good job. And it

772
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 1: was crazy because even the game a couple of the

773
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: games that we lost where it was on the line. Man,

774
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:15,799
Speaker 1: it was like end of the game, I can't get

775
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: the ball and bounced type situation right two times Tom

776
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,239
Speaker 1: Trevor stole it one tim of Hello Lamar deflected in

777
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 1: and so like it. Man. It crushed me, man, because

778
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: we we would have we would I feel like we

779
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 1: would we would have smacked Orlando that series. Um that

780
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 1: next series, just like the Lakers did. But yeah, no,

781
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:42,359
Speaker 1: it was seeing mellow and and Cole really go at

782
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: it has fun. It was fun to be a part

783
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: of that. It was really fun to be a part

784
00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: of that and see that was history. Because Cole was

785
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: he was so determined to win the championship without shock.

786
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: I mean he was literally when they when ate it

787
00:43:00,600 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: was game six, the game got away, bom. You know

788
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 1: how to check the starters out to the fans can

789
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: so they're checking us out, so you know, go up

790
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 1: to him, tell him good luck, good job whatever. He

791
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: was crying, bro crying, like tears crying. He was so

792
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,799
Speaker 1: happy to be going to the finals and he was

793
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: he was crying. I was like, the dude is different too, man,

794
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: That's that's incredible. Traded to the Knicks and eleven with Mellow.

795
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,160
Speaker 1: Kmart felt like if Mellow had went, although he's a

796
00:43:30,200 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: big piece and they were able to keep you, you

797
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: guys still had action in Denver. Did you feel the

798
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: same way? Yeah, I agree, I agree, um, because we

799
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: still had a lot of talent. We played a lot

800
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: of games without Mellow that year. He had got hurt

801
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: a few times, and I think we went like twelve

802
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,879
Speaker 1: and one or something without him, but we still was good.

803
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 1: Little Ty Lawson was was the reok. He was just

804
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 1: trying to raise him and he was tough at the time,

805
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: you know, and he stopped a little dude. So I

806
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,879
Speaker 1: do I agree with came are like we still would

807
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: have had a really good team because we have won

808
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: the championship. Probably not, but we would have been a

809
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: problem though. Spent two season in l A. That that

810
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: that young Clipper team that was trying to find an identity.

811
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 1: Tell your achilles there. But we had so much talent.

812
00:44:16,600 --> 00:44:19,880
Speaker 1: What do you think was our biggest issue or are

813
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 1: a few of our issues? We did have so much talent,

814
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:27,600
Speaker 1: Matt and we have vets. I think our biggest issue

815
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: there was um our young guys, which was Chris was

816
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: kind of young but not much but like DJ and Blake.

817
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: So those are those those was are that was the franchise,

818
00:44:41,320 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: those three guys. I don't think that they were mentally

819
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: ready to win. You know, they were still young. They

820
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 1: were still like needing to get paid and All Star

821
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: wars everything, and you can't when you're trying to win.

822
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 1: You can't worry about stuff like that. As we know,

823
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 1: you can't worry about it, even though that matters. You

824
00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: gotta be chasing the chip, not All Star. And that

825
00:45:04,680 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: was always a little bit of dissension between Chris and

826
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: Blake and DJ. You know, it was Blake and DJ

827
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: show and then Chris comes in and everybody's Chris Paul everything,

828
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's tough. And I saw what

829
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: I mean, when I saw what I saw DJ start

830
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,840
Speaker 1: getting better too. So now he wasn't Now he was

831
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 1: competition too. You mean, first it was Live City with

832
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: Blake and Blake's all over all the commercials all start

833
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 1: his team, CP comes in, CP helps DJ take his

834
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,839
Speaker 1: game to the next level. Now DJ's All Star consideration,

835
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: Olympic Team, Defensive Player of the Year consideration. So it

836
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: was it was really the accolades amongst them three. It's

837
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: an interesting take, yeah, yeah, but they were man so

838
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: good when we when we were on when we were

839
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 1: on point, though, unbelievable, right, unbelievable. I enjoyed that time, man,

840
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the two to like I heard, I

841
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. You called the kids quits, and what was it?

842
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 1: The time factor? You just knew it was time snack.

843
00:46:05,080 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 1: I just didn't have nothing left, man. You know when

844
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 1: I told my achilles um, I wanted to make sure

845
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: that I just went out on my own. But I

846
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,880
Speaker 1: was never the same. I mean it was seventeen years.

847
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,879
Speaker 1: I gave it all I had, you know, and I

848
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 1: felt that way when it was time. I'm like, man,

849
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,919
Speaker 1: it's just it's just time. I ain't got nothing left

850
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 1: my my goal to They in front of me. I

851
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: can't get away what I'm saying. They blocking my pull up.

852
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 1: I'm weak. I'm weak, Like I gotta it's time to go.

853
00:46:37,400 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: It's time to go. You know, you gotta know when

854
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 1: you nasty idea, But you gotta know when you gotta.

855
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:48,360
Speaker 1: You gotta just get on out the way. Some people don't.

856
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 1: These dudes is fast. I can't stand in front. I'm like, man,

857
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gone. When did you buy your first windows?

858
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 1: And how many do you own? So? I retired at

859
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:06,040
Speaker 1: fourteen in team um uh man, I am so lucky

860
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: to have business partners. I have in Junior Bridgeman, who

861
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: is uh, anybody don't know who Junior Bridgeman is. Homework

862
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 1: through your homework. This dude became one of my biggest mentors.

863
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: Um and I just learned so much from this guy.

864
00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:23,719
Speaker 1: Used to fly to Louisville, Kentucky, which is where his

865
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: headquarters is, like three summers in the row to just

866
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: like be a fly on the wall. Just learned. We

867
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,879
Speaker 1: ended up buying and getting so were on thirty one

868
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: wend these restaurants now, probably gotta do another three or

869
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:42,399
Speaker 1: four in the next few year or two. But um, yeah, man,

870
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: I'm lucky to be in that little situation. I learned

871
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: so much, you know, from him, And I love being

872
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: in in the franchise and business and fast food business,

873
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 1: being able to give a lot a lot of people

874
00:47:55,239 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: jobs that the whole world deemed, you know, different. So um,

875
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 1: I'll take a lot of pride in that I got

876
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: five daughters plus the bonus daughters. You got three girls.

877
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: How does it feel being a girl? Dad? I love it.

878
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I really don't. So

879
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: proud of my girls, man. Um My one is twenty four.

880
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,320
Speaker 1: My oldest is twenty four. She's just got her masters

881
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. Um, she's off working for

882
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: the Bucks now, doing a great job. My middle daughters

883
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: twenty one, she just got her bachelor's from UFC a

884
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: couple of months ago. She's a professional dancer now. And

885
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: my youngest is sixteen, so she's a junior um in

886
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: high school. And I'm just proud of him. Man, you know,

887
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 1: I'm proud of him. My wife did a great job.

888
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: I know you know, I'm on the road tasting greatness

889
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 1: my whole life, you know, day, whole life. So to

890
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: have my wife be able to step up and do

891
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: her thing, and I did all the best I could do,

892
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: you know, but I'm proud. I'm really proud of him.

893
00:48:56,080 --> 00:48:58,959
Speaker 1: For sure. We're gonna go on the quick. Here's five

894
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 1: Dinner Guest Dead Live. Mm hmm. I want Malcolm X

895
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,640
Speaker 1: and Martin Luther King at the table. I won't pocket

896
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 1: at the table. You're gonna fox something up. It's gonna

897
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: be on. It's gonna we're gonna talk about some real

898
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: red and we're gonna have a real rap. Who else?

899
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 1: I miss my grandpa man, A lot of my grandpa.

900
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: That makes for real, for real, I say, I would say, uh,

901
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 1: Nelson Mandela nice. We gotta help with dinner. I gotta

902
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,840
Speaker 1: I don't know where we're going dinner. H an album

903
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:42,839
Speaker 1: you can listen to with no skips. Man, I'm going

904
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: right now. Kendrick's new Joint. It's tough, heavy, talking about

905
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 1: some heavy, heavy, heavy, relevant things in the albums incredible.

906
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: What do you bro say? Don't say you don't like it,

907
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,439
Speaker 1: just say you don't understand. Man, it's incredible. I ain't

908
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: skipping nothing. I'm taking my time with him. Top five

909
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: point guards of all time, damn obviously magic Zeke. This

910
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: one gets tricky, man, Jay Kid, I'm going Jay Kid GP.

911
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: That fish spot is always tricky. J Kid g P. Yeah,

912
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't not there yet. No, No,

913
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: he's there, but I don't see him as a point

914
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 1: guard though. I think he's the greatest combo guard to

915
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 1: ever play the game. He spends most of the time

916
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 1: off of the ball screens, but he plays the position,

917
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: so let's just we'll keep it official. He plays the position,

918
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 1: so you gotta give it to him. But the greatest

919
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: combo guard of all time, of all time. He's in

920
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: his own like there's there's nobody else you can He's

921
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,759
Speaker 1: in his own lane. You know what I'm saying, A

922
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: starting five of your former teammates, you're the point guard.

923
00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:13,240
Speaker 1: So who you got at the two, three, four and five?

924
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:17,319
Speaker 1: M You know, I really just picked my Pistons team.

925
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: That's how we get it. Actually, Yeah, you're the best

926
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: five and live longest man Ron suspended. Oh man, we're

927
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 1: cracked saying we only add one. You see what happened?

928
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: You know, you have. Y'all have one crack at us,

929
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: But you weren't on the team we beat. Huh No,

930
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,839
Speaker 1: y'all beat him year before. I wasn't on that team.

931
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:49,600
Speaker 1: Lucky you. Yeah, yeah, I wasn't that. No, y'all was good,

932
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: you know what, for real, for real, y'all was nice,

933
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: really nice coming now. But y'all ain't menally. Y'all were

934
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:01,600
Speaker 1: ready it. That was too wild. We had everything. We're

935
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: gonna play in it that all day. Yeah, step point you,

936
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit you. You're gonna hit us. Best check

937
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: you out. You know what I'm saying. Two games If

938
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 1: it ain't for that, y'all wanted, y'all got, y'all got

939
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,319
Speaker 1: have doing the chip. Yeah, that's a big piece though,

940
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:23,560
Speaker 1: that's the main piece. That's the main piece. Goons, skill

941
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: everything smart. Y'all had all that firecrackers though you have

942
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 1: too many, too many fires fire crackers. Brother, never gave

943
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: you niggas money. First thing you're doing the morning, last

944
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:42,440
Speaker 1: thing you're doing night. First thing out doing the morning. Um.

945
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: But I usually get up on just kind of sit

946
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: on the side of my bed and just kind of

947
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: think real quick, you know. Sometimes I pray, sometimes I don't,

948
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:52,239
Speaker 1: but I just sit there and just kind of think,

949
00:52:52,360 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: you know, like what what's ahead of me? You know

950
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: what I got today. Most of the time, the last

951
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: thing I do, I'll take a shower and just go

952
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: to sleep. But in the morning I usually just sit

953
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 1: the side of my bid and just thank for a

954
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 1: few minutes. Man, you know, just just thankful, you know

955
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:09,919
Speaker 1: what I mean, just what I got today? Like what's

956
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: going on? That's that's kind of how it starting ended.

957
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: If you can see one guest on all the smoke,

958
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: who would it be? But you have to help them,

959
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 1: help us get your answers on the show. I'd like

960
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,879
Speaker 1: to give you a request if you don't mind, Well,

961
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 1: we got Junior Bridgeman. I want to have him. We

962
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 1: have no contact with him, so that would be heavy.

963
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 1: I could probably get think. I think I think the

964
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: world would really suak that up. Man. One of the

965
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: brightest minds that people don't even know who he is.

966
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: He is. He really is funny, man. I wish I

967
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: would have did this earlier because he was just here.

968
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,360
Speaker 1: We just he was just weak golf yesterday morning. Yeah,

969
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: he's flewing on his plane. We played we went to

970
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: Bobblaneers Memorial and then because he played with him for

971
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 1: four years, played golf and left. But I'll come together.

972
00:53:59,160 --> 00:54:01,440
Speaker 1: I'll put it together. Close it out, bro, you introduced

973
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: us close it Out. Thanks my bro, Big Bro Shimes

974
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: for being on the show Man. We'll appreciate you. Know,

975
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 1: we always look up to you. You know, me and

976
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 1: you have some other stuff going on. But to be

977
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:15,400
Speaker 1: a coach now Wright, what we thought you should be

978
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: are running the team. You know, we knew you belong

979
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: somewhere in that category. But yeah, but nothing but loving

980
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: success to you. We appreciate you coming on show, taking

981
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: time broo out. You already know, I already know. We

982
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:34,320
Speaker 1: got we got some goodies, we got some legends and

983
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: all the smoke collap for you. Yeah, appreciate man. Well

984
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:44,800
Speaker 1: that's a rap. Chauncey billups all the smoke shot. Summer

985
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:48,160
Speaker 1: League two. You can catch us on Showtime Basketball YouTube

986
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 1: and the I Heart Platform Black Effects. See y'all next

987
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: week