WEBVTT - Torque Me Out of It

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking Hither Everyone, Welcome to Forward Thinking, the audio

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that looks at the future and says, do you

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<v Speaker 1>want to kick it in the front seat or sit

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<v Speaker 1>in the backseat. I'm Jonathan Strickland, I'm Lauren voc Obama.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Joe McCormick. Can you tell I don't share these

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<v Speaker 1>before I go into them. We wanted to talk a

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<v Speaker 1>bit today about Torque, which was a phenomenal movie about

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<v Speaker 1>motorcycles going really fast. Yeah, I didn have ice Cube.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I haven't seen it. I really didn't

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<v Speaker 1>prepare for this podcast very well. You know what. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>scrap it, We're going to talk about Torque the rotational

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<v Speaker 1>force insteady Joe, Well, we can't talk about that because

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<v Speaker 1>at least one of us has seen it, Okay, So uh,

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<v Speaker 1>we started thinking about this because we saw that video

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<v Speaker 1>of pickup truck towing a Space shuttle. Yeah, which is huge.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you're literally huge. You're talking about literally literally huge.

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<v Speaker 1>Literally what you're talking about. You're talking about a standard

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<v Speaker 1>pickup truck pulling the Space shuttle, which is enormous and heavy,

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<v Speaker 1>and the fact that a standard truck could do it, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how could it? How could it generate the force necessary

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<v Speaker 1>to do that? Um? And what is that force? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course the force is something the force. Of course.

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<v Speaker 1>The force, of course is something you've probably heard about

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<v Speaker 1>with relation to cars, like it's torque. Sure, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 1>what is torque? Um? And I didn't actually know when

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<v Speaker 1>I had to look this up. Yeah, we're not pretty embarrassing, right, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>But torque is really fundamental. It's something we should know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's rotational force. Um. So if you just imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>you have like a screw or a bolt with a

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<v Speaker 1>nut on it. Came and say ice cube has a

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<v Speaker 1>bolt with the nut on it on his motorcycle, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and he wants to unscrew the nut. Um. So he

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<v Speaker 1>gets a wrench out and he puts the wrench on

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<v Speaker 1>the nut and he pushes the wrench. What the force

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<v Speaker 1>he's generating there is called torque. It's rotational force. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's force going around a fulcrum involving a lever. Got you.

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<v Speaker 1>And the way you'd calculate um torque is by multiplying

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<v Speaker 1>the force you're applying to the wrench by the length

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<v Speaker 1>of the wrench so by by changing the length of

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<v Speaker 1>the wrench, you change the amount of rotational force, even

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<v Speaker 1>if you are pushing the same amount. So if you

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<v Speaker 1>have a shorter wrench and you're pushing a certain you're

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<v Speaker 1>exerting a certain amount of force on it. Versus a

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<v Speaker 1>longer wrench and exerting uh, that same amount of force

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<v Speaker 1>on it, it's a different amount of tork. Right. If

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<v Speaker 1>you can let's say ice cube can apply two pounds

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<v Speaker 1>of pressure to the wrench. Um, if he has a

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<v Speaker 1>one ft wrench, that's two foot pounds of pressure of

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<v Speaker 1>torque that he can put on that nut. But if

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<v Speaker 1>he has a nine foot wrench, that's eighteen foot pounds

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<v Speaker 1>of guts that he can of torque that he can

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<v Speaker 1>apply to the nut. Um. So obviously having a longer

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<v Speaker 1>lever gives you a great advantage I see. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>this actually comes in when you're talking about transmissions and

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<v Speaker 1>gears in cars. Um, So how does torque figure into

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<v Speaker 1>a car? All? Right? So, torque in the sense of

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<v Speaker 1>a vehicle. Uh, you know, vehicle's engine is all about

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<v Speaker 1>generating torque, and it doesn't in a very kind of

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<v Speaker 1>indirect way in a sense because you know, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>an engine going. You've got a combust internal combustion engine going. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the main energy, the main power that you're generating. You're

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<v Speaker 1>moving these pistons in and out of cylinders, right, That's

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<v Speaker 1>what's called a reciprocating motion. So it's just going up

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<v Speaker 1>and down. But you have to translate this into rotational motion.

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<v Speaker 1>So those pistons are connected to a crank shaft, and

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<v Speaker 1>a crank shaft its job is to rotate. It takes

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<v Speaker 1>that reciprocating motion and translates into the rotational motion that

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<v Speaker 1>is what powers the rest of the drive train, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's ultimately what's going to make the wheels turn. But

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<v Speaker 1>to get there, we have to go through some interesting

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<v Speaker 1>turns here. So the crankshaft connects to something that's called

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<v Speaker 1>the the flywheel. The fly wheel is connected to a

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<v Speaker 1>clutch plate, and the clutch plate is connected to handbone,

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<v Speaker 1>and the handbone is connected to think about no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>The clutch plate is connected to a pressure plate, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's where we are allowed to shift gears without everything

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<v Speaker 1>grinding to a halt. Right in a manual transmission car,

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<v Speaker 1>that is where the clutch connects when you when you depress,

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<v Speaker 1>when when when you press it on the clutch, that

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<v Speaker 1>is actually disconnecting the engine from the entire transmission right right,

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<v Speaker 1>It lifts that pressure plate so that you no longer

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<v Speaker 1>are getting power from the engine delivered to the drive train,

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<v Speaker 1>because otherwise, all those gears that are in the rest

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<v Speaker 1>of what I'm about to describe would be turning and

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<v Speaker 1>uh and the shifting would be very messy to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where you could cause huge amounts of damage to

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<v Speaker 1>your vehicle. That's why you know, using the clutch and

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<v Speaker 1>a manual transmission is so important. Automatic transmissions it all

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<v Speaker 1>takes care of that for you, assuming everything's working correctly.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. So you've got the flywheel and you've got

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<v Speaker 1>the clutch plate and everything that that it's in turn

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<v Speaker 1>is connected to what's called the gear shaft, which continues

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<v Speaker 1>transmitting this rotational force, or the lay shaft is connected

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<v Speaker 1>to the gear shaft. So you've got gear shaft going

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<v Speaker 1>into lay shaft. The lay shaft has lay shaft gears

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<v Speaker 1>on it. UH. These are gears that are directly connected

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<v Speaker 1>to the lay shaft. And you start off with some

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<v Speaker 1>small gears on the lay shaft and they get progressively

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<v Speaker 1>larger as you go down the lay shaft. Keep in mind,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just kind of describing a typical manual transmission vehicle here.

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<v Speaker 1>They are. They do come in different variations. But so

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<v Speaker 1>you've got that small gear on the end and they

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<v Speaker 1>get progressively larger as it goes on. You have a

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<v Speaker 1>second shaft that's near this lay shaft. It's called the

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<v Speaker 1>main shaft, all right. The main shaft also has gears

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<v Speaker 1>on it. The gears go from large too small, and

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<v Speaker 1>they interconnect with the the lay shaft gears. Now here's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. If all of those gears were turning at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, you wouldn't have any way of shifting gears, right,

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<v Speaker 1>they would all be speed would be a single speed, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you would. You would have one single range of motion

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<v Speaker 1>you go in before you start to burn out your engine.

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<v Speaker 1>So in order to have those gears turn freely without

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily turning anything else in the vehicle, those gears are

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<v Speaker 1>all mounted on ball bearings, right, so they can turn.

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<v Speaker 1>The lay scheft gears can turn and turn and turn.

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<v Speaker 1>The main scheft gears will turn, but they're not turning

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<v Speaker 1>the main shaft itself. The main shaft can remain completely

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<v Speaker 1>still while those gears are turning around and around because

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<v Speaker 1>they're just mounted on it. Yeah, exactly, they're floating it,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, Lauren. And then you have what is called

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<v Speaker 1>the dog clutch or dog collar, which engages the side

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<v Speaker 1>of these uh main cheft gears. There, the main scheft

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<v Speaker 1>gears have these holes along the side of the gear.

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<v Speaker 1>The dog clutch or dog collar has these teeth along

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<v Speaker 1>the side of it. And when that connects to the

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<v Speaker 1>gear uh the MOE, the turning motion of the main

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<v Speaker 1>shaft gear translates over into turning motion on that dog

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<v Speaker 1>clutch or dog color, which then provides the rotational force

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<v Speaker 1>necessary to move further down the drive train, ultimately ending

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<v Speaker 1>at the tires. Right. Uh yeah, These these dog collars

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<v Speaker 1>are what are connected to your gear shift in for example,

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<v Speaker 1>a five speed manual car um and and that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>what you're engaging with two right to to connect all

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<v Speaker 1>of the shafts together and get that power out. And

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<v Speaker 1>only one dog clutch or dog collar is engaged at

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<v Speaker 1>any one time. Right, So if you're in first gear,

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<v Speaker 1>that a dog clutches in that first main shaft gear.

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<v Speaker 1>And because the main shift gear is large and the

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<v Speaker 1>lay shaft gear is small that lay shaft gears, turning

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<v Speaker 1>it more rotations per minute, and that's quite a bit

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<v Speaker 1>of speed. But it's then translating that to a larger gear,

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<v Speaker 1>which decreases the speed. You get fewer rotations per minute,

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<v Speaker 1>but it increases the torque. That's where you get the

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<v Speaker 1>torque in those low gears. And the important part of

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<v Speaker 1>the torque at low gears is that you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>move a vehicle from a still position to being in motion,

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<v Speaker 1>and that takes a lot of force. It's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like using a longer handled lever exactly. Yeah, if you've

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<v Speaker 1>got a really heavy vehicle, then you're gonna need a

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<v Speaker 1>good amount of force to get it moving. But once

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<v Speaker 1>it gets moving, and once it starts to UH to hit,

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<v Speaker 1>it's its top speed in that gear, you need to

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<v Speaker 1>shift to a higher gear in order to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>you're not making the engine work too hard. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>gonna start burning out otherwise, And so that's when you

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<v Speaker 1>would in a manual transmission car press on the clutch.

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<v Speaker 1>You would disengage the drive train from the engine. You

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<v Speaker 1>would be able to then shift from one to two.

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<v Speaker 1>The dog clutch would disengage from the first main shift

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<v Speaker 1>gear and engage the second main shift gear. Uh. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you have a dog clutch between every couple of gears,

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<v Speaker 1>So between one and two, between three and four, and

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<v Speaker 1>between five and reverse. Reverse is a little different because

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<v Speaker 1>you actually have to have a third smaller gear in

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<v Speaker 1>between the main shift gear and the lay shaft gear

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<v Speaker 1>to reverse the rotation direction. And you also have another

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<v Speaker 1>set of gears further down the drive train that that

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<v Speaker 1>changes the rotational direction for the tires to work. Otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>you would be trying to put trying to turn the

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<v Speaker 1>tires in a direction that's not aligned with their actual uh,

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<v Speaker 1>the way they're mounted in a car. So you have

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<v Speaker 1>to use differential too. That's exactly I have to move independently.

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<v Speaker 1>That's true as well. Yes, all of that is important

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<v Speaker 1>for it to work. And what we just described really

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<v Speaker 1>is a manual five speed, manual transmission rear wheel drive car.

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<v Speaker 1>But there are lots of different variations of this that

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<v Speaker 1>have different layouts, and in fact, an automatic transmission is

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<v Speaker 1>different in that all of these different gears. These gears

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<v Speaker 1>and when you're talking about the small gear to the

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<v Speaker 1>large gear, that's what we're talking about. Gear ratios with

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<v Speaker 1>an automatic transmission, all those gears are located within one

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<v Speaker 1>device essentially, and it is a little difficult to describe

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<v Speaker 1>without visual representation, but it's the same process that more

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<v Speaker 1>or less that's going on with a manual transmission. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just that they're all those gears are located in this

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<v Speaker 1>one thing. It's really awesome the way it works, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's almost impossible for me to describe without pictures that

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<v Speaker 1>the furthest dig out was that it kind of looks

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<v Speaker 1>like that thing from Event Horizon, and then I just

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<v Speaker 1>my brain shut. That's I think that's I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>important for everyone. And if you don't recognize that, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to go out and watch Event Horizon in the

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<v Speaker 1>dark by yourself, preferably. It's amazing that the entire drive

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<v Speaker 1>train of a car, with all of the complicated parts

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<v Speaker 1>it has in it, is just taking a twisting motion

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<v Speaker 1>from one place to another, and it's also having to

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<v Speaker 1>translate that twisting motion to different directions, right because because

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<v Speaker 1>you'll have rear differentials, right, Yeah, you get to a

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<v Speaker 1>point where, yeah, you get a white where you need

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<v Speaker 1>to translate that rotationary force so that it will turn

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<v Speaker 1>tires in such a way that will move the vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>and that means actually shifting the direction of the road

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<v Speaker 1>the rotating motion. What you do with more gears, it's

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<v Speaker 1>just a different alignment of gears to uh make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that the tires are are turning properly. Otherwise they would

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<v Speaker 1>uh they you, your car would just not work. It

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<v Speaker 1>would't it wouldn't turn, the wheels wouldn't turn because the

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<v Speaker 1>rotational force would not be in the right direction. So

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard people make the distinction between torque and horsepower, um,

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently that's kind of a gearhead distinction to make,

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<v Speaker 1>but essentially the way it comes down to in practical uses,

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<v Speaker 1>you would often describe like a very powerful truck or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that as being torque heavy, having strong torque

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<v Speaker 1>because it it's good at um getting the ball rolling

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<v Speaker 1>like initial huge load to a slow roll. Um. Whereas

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<v Speaker 1>I think and correct me if I'm wrong, But usually

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<v Speaker 1>you'd hear horsepower more often talking about like a very

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<v Speaker 1>powerful engine like in a sports car or something. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's not unusual at all, that can deliver work over

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<v Speaker 1>time and distance. That's accurate, I would say, I think

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<v Speaker 1>that I think you summed it up well. Yeah, now,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel free to write in if you know more

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<v Speaker 1>about cars than I do, they're gonna be writing in

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<v Speaker 1>about my uh my summary because I I oversimplified and

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<v Speaker 1>I think I probably use crankshaft at least once when

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<v Speaker 1>I met gear shaft. But that's because I was glancing

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<v Speaker 1>at my notes hurriedly, right, and I'm not and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not a car. Also also technically that the gear shaft

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<v Speaker 1>is usually called a laft. That's true, It's a lay shaft.

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<v Speaker 1>The gear shafts attached to the lay shaft, which has

0:12:52.440 --> 0:12:55.320
<v Speaker 1>the lay shaft gears. Yeah, so we're but we're here

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the future, okay, right, Yeah, this is

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<v Speaker 1>this is all. This is all how and have been

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<v Speaker 1>basically working since the early right. I thought this topic

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of funny because I started to think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>and what on earth is the future of torque. I mean,

0:13:12.520 --> 0:13:15.480
<v Speaker 1>engines in the future will be so strong they will

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<v Speaker 1>turn the wheels really hard, bigger. I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's part of it, though, I mean, you look at

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<v Speaker 1>some of the enormous vehicles that we have we have

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<v Speaker 1>designed over the years, like some of the truly enormous ones,

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<v Speaker 1>things like the stuff that has to move rockets and

0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:35.600
<v Speaker 1>space shuttles like the the the huge ones that go

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<v Speaker 1>at a snail's pace, crawling towards the launch pad carrying

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<v Speaker 1>an entire launch vehicle on them. These things have to

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<v Speaker 1>generate huge amounts of torque in order to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to move across the ground, you know, So we wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>have been able to do that a hundred years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>And part of that is not just I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>very the very nature of torque is not going to change, right,

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<v Speaker 1>That's a fundamental things. But but it's but it's our

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<v Speaker 1>ability to generate that that changes, and that's based upon

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<v Speaker 1>making stronger engines and building stronger materials that can withstand

0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.240
<v Speaker 1>this huge amount of force that we apply to them

0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:16.120
<v Speaker 1>in order to translate that into torque. So there is

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<v Speaker 1>a future, it's just we're talking about improving mechanical processes

0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.840
<v Speaker 1>rather than like the torque itself remains unchanged, because that's

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<v Speaker 1>just a fundamental thing, right. It's also about the efficiency

0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:31.080
<v Speaker 1>of an engine because um, you know, right now automatic

0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:35.360
<v Speaker 1>transmissions might have um up to up to eight gears,

0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.240
<v Speaker 1>up to eight speeds working in them, and and they're

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<v Speaker 1>constantly developing these more and more complex automatic transmissions right now,

0:14:43.160 --> 0:14:45.560
<v Speaker 1>nine and ten speeds are the next big thing that's

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<v Speaker 1>being expected to debut in uh or so, And that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's important because it does keep the engine from having

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<v Speaker 1>to work too hard. Uh. And it also makes those

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<v Speaker 1>those transit transitions from one speed to the next much

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<v Speaker 1>more smooth, right. It just it allows the engine to

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<v Speaker 1>work within its optimal parameters. Excellent, it's happy place, happy place. Yeah. So,

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<v Speaker 1>so that way, the engine is always operating exactly where

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<v Speaker 1>it best works and not. It doesn't have to do

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<v Speaker 1>too much work to go from one gear to the next,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it doesn't. It doesn't have to operate in

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<v Speaker 1>the red for too long in order for it to

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<v Speaker 1>switch from one gear to the next. Could it could

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<v Speaker 1>wind up saving gas mileage by five to ten showing

0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:29.440
<v Speaker 1>up one gear. That's that's fantastic, not only for a

0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:32.640
<v Speaker 1>person's checkbook or whatever, or their wallet, but also for

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<v Speaker 1>the environment. So so I was curious. I asked a

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<v Speaker 1>friend of mine, who works on cars and who does

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<v Speaker 1>know about cars, what some of these advances might have

0:15:41.480 --> 0:15:45.080
<v Speaker 1>been in the you know, in recent decades, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>not even that reason, but just in the history of

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<v Speaker 1>cars that have made them generate more torque UM, and

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<v Speaker 1>he gave a couple of examples that I thought were interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>One thing he suggested was possibly a fuel injection okay, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>the way the it injects fuel like ionized or atomized, yeah,

0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:11.320
<v Speaker 1>atomized fuel that helps the pistons generate more torque when

0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:17.400
<v Speaker 1>they explode. UM and internal combustion, external combustion. Right. He

0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:22.600
<v Speaker 1>mentioned UM more more precise machining tolerances, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>interesting to me, just the idea that UM. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>as as our factories get smarter and our ways of

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<v Speaker 1>making engines get more and more precise, you're having a

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<v Speaker 1>tighter fit between the piston and the cylinder. UM, just

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<v Speaker 1>because I guess we're better at make yeah right, right,

0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:43.680
<v Speaker 1>we're their machine operated, our machine made, rather than human made.

0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.840
<v Speaker 1>And the computer design can be far more precise than

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<v Speaker 1>what a person would be able to at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>And this really close fit apparently enables the engine to

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<v Speaker 1>generate more force, and we could see other applications of

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<v Speaker 1>torque UH in the future. One of the things we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about were space elevators. This idea of a vehicle

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<v Speaker 1>that climbs a ribbon that reaches all the way out

0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:10.840
<v Speaker 1>into space. Clearly, you would have to have a vehicle,

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of climbing vehicle that would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>generate quite a bit of torque to climb such a ribbon.

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<v Speaker 1>So that would be another future application of it. It's uh,

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily that we don't have the the climbing technology

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<v Speaker 1>right now that could do this. We might very well

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<v Speaker 1>be able to make such a vehicle. It's the tether

0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:33.960
<v Speaker 1>that's giving us the real sticking problem with that one.

0:17:34.440 --> 0:17:37.200
<v Speaker 1>But the whole other episode about that. Yeah, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>a but that's a possible uh you know, future use

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<v Speaker 1>of or application of torque. Well, it's just, um, right now,

0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:48.040
<v Speaker 1>when we go to space, we only have one way

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<v Speaker 1>to do it. And it's funny because when you think

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<v Speaker 1>about it, there aren't really all that many different ways

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<v Speaker 1>we know about to make something go right well, and

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<v Speaker 1>once we get into space there are a few more

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<v Speaker 1>options we have. But getting to space is you know,

0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:03.680
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty much you need a you need a rocket.

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<v Speaker 1>Here on Earth, that rotational force is really the most

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<v Speaker 1>useful thing. Um, what whether you're talking about tires or

0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:12.800
<v Speaker 1>tank treads or well, it's so easy, yeah, I mean,

0:18:12.840 --> 0:18:15.320
<v Speaker 1>there's no reason to have a rocket powered car unless

0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:19.360
<v Speaker 1>you just want to get in the Darwin Awards. Yeah,

0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:22.560
<v Speaker 1>or you have an award winning series on Discovery yea

0:18:23.320 --> 0:18:28.560
<v Speaker 1>or or or or yeah, if you want to get

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<v Speaker 1>into the eighth dimension. Where are we going dimension next?

0:18:31.280 --> 0:18:35.880
<v Speaker 1>When we get there real soon? Yeah? Anyway, But um,

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<v Speaker 1>so I started to think about what are all the

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<v Speaker 1>different ways that you can make something go that you

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<v Speaker 1>can power a vehicle. Um. So, obviously there is friction

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<v Speaker 1>and and if we're talking about going into space, that

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<v Speaker 1>could be relevant in terms of space elevators, Like you

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<v Speaker 1>just have a climber vehicle, it rolls up a tether

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, and that wouldn't necessarily be limited

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<v Speaker 1>to Earth. You could have that coming off of a

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<v Speaker 1>moon or um space station other Yeah, anything like that. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>But then once you're in space, you've got trouble because

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<v Speaker 1>you can't roll. You have never seen me roll in space? Man?

0:19:13.160 --> 0:19:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Well you can, you know you can, you can roll,

0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:19.920
<v Speaker 1>but you can't. You can't. You can't use that's fair.

0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:23.879
<v Speaker 1>I can't drive, You're right, Um, no, you can't. So

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<v Speaker 1>we we have modern rockets are what's known as a

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<v Speaker 1>reaction drive, right, and they move by throwing something with

0:19:32.440 --> 0:19:35.560
<v Speaker 1>mass out the back of them. Right. Yeah, you're burning,

0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:38.440
<v Speaker 1>You're burning chemicals to blow stuff out the back, which

0:19:38.520 --> 0:19:41.600
<v Speaker 1>then pushes you forward. That equal and opposite reaction deal

0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:46.240
<v Speaker 1>where you've got the either it's liquid or solid chemical

0:19:46.400 --> 0:19:49.560
<v Speaker 1>rockets that are just burning through this fuel. Uh not.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it will move you really quickly, but it

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<v Speaker 1>also weighs a lot, and it's hard to get that

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<v Speaker 1>stuff off the planet and still have enough to space.

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<v Speaker 1>And the nice thing about space is that once you

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<v Speaker 1>start generating a good amount of speed, nothing's really slowing

0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.320
<v Speaker 1>you down until you start encountering other things like gravity

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.199
<v Speaker 1>or if there are enough particles to exert friction on you,

0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that'll make you slow over time, but much less than say,

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<v Speaker 1>in Earth's atmosphere. Right, So, so yeah, you've got that.

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<v Speaker 1>You also have gravity. I mentioned gravity. You can use

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<v Speaker 1>gravity to help help you propel you distances in space,

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<v Speaker 1>but you have to plan your trajectory very precisely in

0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:32.200
<v Speaker 1>that slingshot kind of action. That's exact mass driver things. Well. Also,

0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.439
<v Speaker 1>the Voiageer spacecraft use gravity. They use the gravity of

0:20:35.480 --> 0:20:39.040
<v Speaker 1>the outer planets to propel them toward the edge of

0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:41.080
<v Speaker 1>the Solar System, which they are still heading towards I

0:20:41.119 --> 0:20:43.320
<v Speaker 1>see what you're saying. The slingshot most Sorry I didn't

0:20:43.359 --> 0:20:45.560
<v Speaker 1>catch that first, Like you go around the Sun and

0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:48.320
<v Speaker 1>it throws you out of orbit or or yeah, you're

0:20:48.359 --> 0:20:51.760
<v Speaker 1>not going not going completely around really close right, Yeah, yeah,

0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:54.119
<v Speaker 1>you have to You have to plan your trajectory just

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<v Speaker 1>right so that you are going right or you're getting

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<v Speaker 1>the influence of the plant's gravity, but not so much

0:20:59.520 --> 0:21:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that's actually pulling you toward the surface. It's just enough

0:21:02.000 --> 0:21:04.959
<v Speaker 1>to sling you a little bite direction you want to go.

0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.800
<v Speaker 1>You spend a very very short amount of time traveling

0:21:08.800 --> 0:21:11.320
<v Speaker 1>with the planet in its rotational direction, and then you

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<v Speaker 1>use the speed of that planet a moving through space

0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.480
<v Speaker 1>and be its rotational direction to sling shut you off.

0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.280
<v Speaker 1>And the voyager spacecraft us that in order to both

0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.320
<v Speaker 1>visit all the plants they needed to and then to

0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:26.600
<v Speaker 1>move toward interstellar space, which they're still heading toward. That's

0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:30.199
<v Speaker 1>really smart, you know. They're also their reaction drives that

0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.600
<v Speaker 1>aren't chemically based, like they're not caused by setting something

0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.640
<v Speaker 1>on fire and shooting exhaust out. You can have electrical

0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:41.240
<v Speaker 1>reaction drives that like I that are that are throwing

0:21:41.680 --> 0:21:44.960
<v Speaker 1>particles at the back, right, and you can have sales

0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.320
<v Speaker 1>solar sales. Yeah, that's an interesting one I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about. You know, they harness both the solar wind

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<v Speaker 1>and just the radiation pressure exerted by the sunlight. Right,

0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.720
<v Speaker 1>because the particles that the sun blasts out actually don't

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<v Speaker 1>have mass, or at least we say they are massless,

0:22:00.600 --> 0:22:05.919
<v Speaker 1>but they have something called relativistic mass. Yeah. Does that

0:22:05.960 --> 0:22:08.520
<v Speaker 1>basically mean that we need this thing for math to work?

0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.560
<v Speaker 1>So therefore no, no, no, well kind of, but it

0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:15.000
<v Speaker 1>really means that that photons have momentum, and because we

0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:18.760
<v Speaker 1>have already defined momentum as mass and velocity, we sort

0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:21.080
<v Speaker 1>of need them to have mass for it to make sense.

0:22:21.119 --> 0:22:23.359
<v Speaker 1>But in that sense, yes, it's so that the math

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<v Speaker 1>makes sense. But to get more into it, we would

0:22:25.800 --> 0:22:30.240
<v Speaker 1>have to go all quantum and uh, honestly, I haven't

0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:34.160
<v Speaker 1>had enough sugar to get there. So anyway you could

0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:36.280
<v Speaker 1>argue that photons have no mass. It makes it easy,

0:22:36.440 --> 0:22:39.200
<v Speaker 1>especially when you're talking about the wave like, uh, properties

0:22:39.320 --> 0:22:42.560
<v Speaker 1>properties of photons. But in a in a sense, they

0:22:42.600 --> 0:22:45.080
<v Speaker 1>do have a mass. It's a relativistic mass, whatever way

0:22:45.119 --> 0:22:48.080
<v Speaker 1>you explain it. They push, they definitely do, because there's

0:22:48.119 --> 0:22:50.680
<v Speaker 1>a great video on YouTube about how much does a

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<v Speaker 1>shadow way, which is really the idea that when you

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<v Speaker 1>when you have cloud cover over the Earth and no

0:22:57.480 --> 0:22:59.920
<v Speaker 1>sunlight is hitting that part of the Earth, it's actually

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<v Speaker 1>weighing a little less because it doesn't have the pressure

0:23:02.800 --> 0:23:07.800
<v Speaker 1>of the planet heavy. Huh. Well, we talked about radiation

0:23:07.800 --> 0:23:10.600
<v Speaker 1>pressure in an upcoming video that I'm very excited about. Yeah,

0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.119
<v Speaker 1>me too. I'm excited because I've already shot that video

0:23:15.400 --> 0:23:17.679
<v Speaker 1>to learn about it in the near future. Well, but

0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:20.639
<v Speaker 1>this is cool. You could actually make a sailboat in space.

0:23:20.720 --> 0:23:23.919
<v Speaker 1>Basically you just spread out a big old sale to

0:23:24.040 --> 0:23:27.280
<v Speaker 1>just let the sunlight push you and the solar winds,

0:23:27.640 --> 0:23:29.760
<v Speaker 1>the particles coming out of the upper atmosphere of the

0:23:29.760 --> 0:23:34.399
<v Speaker 1>sun um and so there are more ways to get

0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:37.000
<v Speaker 1>in around in space than I would have thought. It's

0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:38.800
<v Speaker 1>a it's a lot easier to do was getting out

0:23:38.800 --> 0:23:41.280
<v Speaker 1>in pushing Scotty had to do that once or twice

0:23:41.920 --> 0:23:45.600
<v Speaker 1>with the Enterprise. Yeah. Yeah, it doesn't like to talk about.

0:23:45.640 --> 0:23:48.919
<v Speaker 1>It doesn't doesn't reflect well on him being an engineer

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<v Speaker 1>at all. Okay, guys, we're gonna wrap up this discussion

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<v Speaker 1>before we do. We want to address something that went

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<v Speaker 1>out on our previous podcast on Wednesday May about bacterial

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<v Speaker 1>uh well bacteria that can do different stuff. Yeah. If

0:24:04.000 --> 0:24:07.439
<v Speaker 1>you heard an early, uncorrected version of that podcast, you

0:24:07.480 --> 0:24:11.040
<v Speaker 1>may have heard us claim that the bacteria is integral

0:24:11.119 --> 0:24:14.000
<v Speaker 1>to the production of beer. Well, it turns out that's

0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:15.680
<v Speaker 1>not so much the case, and we really should have

0:24:15.760 --> 0:24:18.680
<v Speaker 1>known better. Um. In fact, in fact, we both did

0:24:18.760 --> 0:24:21.399
<v Speaker 1>no better, but for some reason, our brains just clicked

0:24:21.440 --> 0:24:23.919
<v Speaker 1>off at that point. Yeah, as it turns out, it's

0:24:23.920 --> 0:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>not bacteria that produces beer, it's yeast. Yeast, of course,

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.760
<v Speaker 1>which is a fungus, not a bacterial sport. And so

0:24:29.880 --> 0:24:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the version of the podcast that exists now stands corrected.

0:24:33.880 --> 0:24:36.040
<v Speaker 1>But in case you heard one of those earlier versions,

0:24:36.080 --> 0:24:39.640
<v Speaker 1>we wanted to make sure to set things right. Yep. Um,

0:24:39.760 --> 0:24:44.439
<v Speaker 1>So don't go disagreeing with your homebrewing friends. They're they're right.

0:24:44.560 --> 0:24:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeast as a fungus, yes, and uh, it's still on

0:24:47.040 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 1>micro organism. It's still something that's taking one substance and

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<v Speaker 1>emitting another that we find very useful. So in that way,

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<v Speaker 1>it's similar to but apart from that, very different organisms.

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