Speaker 1: Look man, oh, I see you? Why why and look
Speaker 1: over there? How is that culture? Yes? Goodness ding dong
Speaker 1: lost Culturistas calling well back in the home, back in
Speaker 1: the habit, back in the home, back in the habit.
Speaker 1: Did your get fixed? Heater got fixed? But let me
Speaker 1: tell you what now, we're getting a little dehydrated now
Speaker 1: as a result of heat or season, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of publicists and readers can really also can
Speaker 1: we just say I'm sorry because I keep wanting to
Speaker 1: bring up the last Culturistas culture Awards. I think, I think,
Speaker 1: should we just announced that the ceremony is not happening.
Speaker 1: The winners are will never be announced. I think we
Speaker 1: cannot say at this time. I gave a read. I
Speaker 1: read through the nominees the other day. It was like,
Speaker 1: none of this makes sense anymore. So I think that's
Speaker 1: a snapshot of summer. It doesn't work. Okay, we're ready
Speaker 1: to announce at this time that as that we wish
Speaker 1: our nominations leader all the best, but we feel it
Speaker 1: would be importation to continue with the ceremony as the
Speaker 1: world currently stands for cultural awards, they are canceled. No publicists,
Speaker 1: you've been fired. We're so sorry, and it's because you do.
Speaker 1: You guys did a bad job. Okay, you guys did
Speaker 1: a bad job. How dare you? How dare you? You've
Speaker 1: made us do this? You had one thing to do,
Speaker 1: which is push your clients, and there was not enough
Speaker 1: of that. Better luck next time, Better luck next year,
Speaker 1: next year, see you next year. Publicist flops anyways, Um well,
Speaker 1: it's it's almost like bowen. You know what I've been
Speaker 1: loving lately is lost culture narratives. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: We've had one narrative and in a happy way, which
Speaker 1: is your eat is better, but with a twist, now
Speaker 1: it's too hot, and we have we have one narrative
Speaker 1: that's sort of ending with that with a very terribly
Speaker 1: sad ending, which is that the last Cultures Culture Awards
Speaker 1: will not stand. But also, what are awards anyway? You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Icon Award winner Pat Regan has
Speaker 1: said awards are so silly, awards especially let me tell
Speaker 1: you something. I'm looking at a girl who's lost two
Speaker 1: Emmy's girl, this loser, and I can tell you either way,
Speaker 1: it would not have done a damn thing. I would
Speaker 1: not have changed. I haven't changed. Let's just let's think that.
Speaker 1: Let's make it clear. This one's been the same for years,
Speaker 1: and no Emmy is going to change my girl, and
Speaker 1: actually we're a culture number forty four. No Emmy is
Speaker 1: going to change my girl. Except when I went to Emmy,
Speaker 1: I'll be changing no. I think I want Matt Rodgers
Speaker 1: to win an award of prestige badly because I really
Speaker 1: want people to to to see with their own eyes
Speaker 1: how you will stay true to yourself. I need to
Speaker 1: be the standard for staying true to yourself. And actually
Speaker 1: that's actually true. I think you are already. I just
Speaker 1: think people people need to see it with their own eyes,
Speaker 1: not that people don't. Not other people don't. I've always
Speaker 1: told you that if I one day and my my
Speaker 1: death bed and I haven't you got it, I will
Speaker 1: be pissed off. If I don't you got I'll be
Speaker 1: so piste off. I feel like I'll just be I
Speaker 1: rate if I haven't you got it by my by
Speaker 1: my t O D time of death. I think there
Speaker 1: will be It's it's a long career you've got ahead
Speaker 1: of you. I think that we should you got for
Speaker 1: all the same projects. That will be hard, but it
Speaker 1: will be really hard. It's like it's like it's like
Speaker 1: adding another hurdle, you know what I mean, because what
Speaker 1: you got without you, I'll be like, yeah, thanks, and
Speaker 1: then if you got together, I'll be so happy. So
Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I'm not gonna be satisfied with
Speaker 1: just you got if you're not there with me, girl,
Speaker 1: the way you are my sister and every way I have. Really,
Speaker 1: I know I do this like every other week, but
Speaker 1: I really do miss my girl so much. But the
Speaker 1: way Capital T Capital W, I'm going to be seeing
Speaker 1: you pretty shortly. We just made New Year's plans. We
Speaker 1: just made New Year's plans to announced we're going to No,
Speaker 1: we can well, I would love to announce because I
Speaker 1: would love well, I would just love recommendations. Yeah, actually yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it's fine to say we're going to Mexico City.
Speaker 1: We're going to We're going to c DMX. We can't wait,
Speaker 1: um and we can't wait to go see the museums,
Speaker 1: the town squares, the architecture, all of it. Well, I
Speaker 1: was talking ABOUTE and I UM FaceTime the other day
Speaker 1: and I was I was telling you that, so so
Speaker 1: we're going with study and MO. It was originally their trip,
Speaker 1: and we've kind of hopped on so Sudi Sudi. And
Speaker 1: when I was like, oh, maybe I'll be interested in
Speaker 1: going to Mexico City, she goes. She short of dragged
Speaker 1: me without meaning to. I told you what. She goes.
Speaker 1: She goes, well, it's not gonna be a lot of relaxing,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be activities. And I was like, oh, what
Speaker 1: kind of activities? And she goes a lot of museums.
Speaker 1: And I could tell she was trying to warn me
Speaker 1: because she thought I wouldn't. But I'm a cultured girl. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm lost culture. You're lost your lost culture stas. I think.
Speaker 1: I think there's I see what you're saying. I also
Speaker 1: think maybe she has a very good friend of yours
Speaker 1: knows that you don't love museums, like you don't pursue
Speaker 1: museums when you travel. I think that's all she was
Speaker 1: trying to say. Maybe I'm turning over a new leaf.
Speaker 1: Maybe I want to say, oh, that's an interesting rock.
Speaker 1: You know, where did it come from? You know, maybe
Speaker 1: that's an interesting bowl. What culture made it? You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like I sort of want to understand
Speaker 1: and get into museum culture and it's never too right.
Speaker 1: If only there were a rock and Bull museum that
Speaker 1: you could go to in every city in the world,
Speaker 1: and every city in the world, so all, but there
Speaker 1: is also there's nightlife Mexico City aptly going to deliver
Speaker 1: in Mexico. I don't know why I said it, Like
Speaker 1: Mexico City city has a lot of nightlife, has a
Speaker 1: lot of queer culture. I think it's oh, it's called
Speaker 1: like the Pink Square or something that's in the Zona
Speaker 1: Rosa or something is the red the Pink Zone. I
Speaker 1: love that, the zone that's like the queer, that's like
Speaker 1: the traditional queer. And now like there's there there's all
Speaker 1: these new queer neighborhoods that are popping up around the city,
Speaker 1: but the original one. If I'm not mistaken and maybe
Speaker 1: totally wrong on this Zona Rosa. And that's sort of
Speaker 1: why we reach out to the readers. You know, please
Speaker 1: if we don't know anything, no, no, and you should
Speaker 1: just say like first and foremost, like of course we
Speaker 1: come onto this podcast and from the beginning we've called
Speaker 1: ourselves experts. But that's not true. I'm gonna We're gonna
Speaker 1: pull the curtain back right now, Okay, that's never been true.
Speaker 1: It's not true. Everybody calm down, Just calm down. We're
Speaker 1: rarely right. That's so. I mean, I think, okay, I
Speaker 1: think the real readers no, because we're back to being
Speaker 1: readers now have been fired your all readers once against
Speaker 1: have been fired. The real readers know that we are.
Speaker 1: We don't know anything. Yeah, we don't know ship We
Speaker 1: really don't and and so like sometimes people sort of
Speaker 1: get upset at us for getting things, and you just
Speaker 1: have to understand that is that is the big lie.
Speaker 1: That's the other big lots of the other big line.
Speaker 1: It's actually really culture number ten. The other is that
Speaker 1: we know anything. We don't know anything. Anyway, we can
Speaker 1: catch up on life first before where there's a lot
Speaker 1: of culture to get into. I can't even believe Bowen.
Speaker 1: It's actually it's actually one of those things where it's
Speaker 1: like you say, catch up on life and it actually
Speaker 1: sort of bleeds in together with the culture. For me anyway,
Speaker 1: because it has been such a ripe time for the culture.
Speaker 1: Bow And said, well, we have a guest on this week,
Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, And I'm still on
Speaker 1: buzzing and on a high from our guests last week,
Speaker 1: Dr Wendy, that was amazing. We love her. I feel
Speaker 1: it sounds like it sounds like you guys did okay
Speaker 1: out there. It sounds like there was even some minds
Speaker 1: change that maybe we're for some ridiculous reason not Team Wendy,
Speaker 1: and now you are. We love you, we kiss you.
Speaker 1: But there has been so much culture. I said, I
Speaker 1: think it just has to be me and my sister
Speaker 1: because we have so much to wade through. But it's
Speaker 1: seems like you want to talk life. So if I'm
Speaker 1: thinking about what's gone on in my life. Definitely, there
Speaker 1: was Thanksgiving, definitely, and how did you feel about it?
Speaker 1: H you know what first year ever in my adult
Speaker 1: life where I didn't cook a turkey? Mom insisted on
Speaker 1: going to allow. Mom insisted on going to a nice
Speaker 1: quote unquote brunch that she booked at a place that
Speaker 1: we love to go to. First Thanksgiving meal. The only
Speaker 1: time she could get was ten am. We got up,
Speaker 1: it was we had Thanksgiving it ten am. And that
Speaker 1: is actually, oh wait a minute, this was maybe going
Speaker 1: to be my own with thinks. So honey, but I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I just commentdeered asking you what life was like? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: because because because I said I didn't, I didn't really
Speaker 1: have it because my life has been so much culture
Speaker 1: because I stayed in l A for things. Okay, so
Speaker 1: go off, Okay, So so I'll just let me just
Speaker 1: finish this up and then we'll get into the culture
Speaker 1: because I respect that. I actually am I envy that
Speaker 1: was your life, hundred hundred period. So had ten am Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: which I had no real, so to speak, misgivings about.
Speaker 1: And then after that, my parents and I go on
Speaker 1: a hike in Castlewood Canyon, Colorado, beautiful hiking trail. We
Speaker 1: go on a hike, and then I was going to
Speaker 1: make side dishes for dinner quote unquote and just like
Speaker 1: make like neck and cheese, mashed potatoes, stuffing, like and
Speaker 1: then just really, well we all come to the table
Speaker 1: for you exactly. I still wanted to drive. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: exactly right. So I went on a hike with my parents.
Speaker 1: I documented it on Instagram. Everybody commenting why are your
Speaker 1: parents not wearing hiking clothes? Why are they wearing button
Speaker 1: downs and the dazzled sweaters and stuff like this, and
Speaker 1: I want and I basically was like I got into
Speaker 1: one reply with someone and I was like because they're immigrants, darling,
Speaker 1: dear r. The rules don't have to a fly, and
Speaker 1: it's kind of beautiful when people don't assimilate. And if
Speaker 1: they if they want to wear a fucking crazy sweater
Speaker 1: as they hike and like not like a loafer, let's
Speaker 1: say they can and it's okay. And if they want
Speaker 1: to eat Thanksgiving dinner at ten am, that's okay. Step
Speaker 1: outside of the box. Everyone, Come on, it's queering the culture.
Speaker 1: My parents are queer. My parents are queer. After this year,
Speaker 1: after this thanks Giving their queer. The Yangs are queer culture,
Speaker 1: and they're here to stay okay, and they're here to
Speaker 1: stay you thank you, Mama Ruling. He is a queer god.
Speaker 1: And I'm staying in here on the podcast. What about
Speaker 1: the gayest men in America? Man? Is it? She? She? She?
Speaker 1: She rules the queer school. She and share actually together
Speaker 1: have a power. They dictate queer culture. They're the chancellor.
Speaker 1: When I see all you guys out on your hikes
Speaker 1: now and you're not wearing what you would call a
Speaker 1: fabulous sweater or a fancy sweater that my mother that
Speaker 1: that man war. If you're not wearing what men were
Speaker 1: out on the on the trails. Then then you're not
Speaker 1: actually getting it, you're not clearing the hike space. And
Speaker 1: that's actually a flop flopless knop, as to quote Nicki
Speaker 1: Minaj on the real Houses of Potomac. But wow, I
Speaker 1: can't believe that some people just want to pick on
Speaker 1: little things. It's okay. I don't think they were. I
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of them were picking on it.
Speaker 1: They were just confused. This is the first time he
Speaker 1: had seen this, and I think they had a lot
Speaker 1: of questions, of course, and I maybe for a second
Speaker 1: mistook it as well. They're being unqueered, They're being very normative.
Speaker 1: And now I just want to tell everybody, queer the
Speaker 1: hiking space. Queer your hiking space, where your heels, where
Speaker 1: your heels, tell where your heels yours. Try it and
Speaker 1: send us a photo and we will repost. We will
Speaker 1: if you. This is really asking them to get into
Speaker 1: a dangerous situation, but I'm going there anyway. I would
Speaker 1: love for you to tag yourself and your girlfriends out
Speaker 1: on the hike in your heels. Everyone get over, but
Speaker 1: to the nearest cliff, get to the vista. Take a
Speaker 1: photo of you in your heels on a hike and
Speaker 1: tag it. At last, culture Rista's hashtag heels on a
Speaker 1: high hashtag clearing the hike. I feel like this is
Speaker 1: dangerous and maybe we don't promote this, but if you
Speaker 1: can wear a bedazzled sweater please on the hike, Please
Speaker 1: do so that it's just as queering as the heels.
Speaker 1: How about this, It doesn't have to be heels if
Speaker 1: it is extra points whatever extra point means. You know,
Speaker 1: we can dictate later points. Take a picture of yourself
Speaker 1: on a fabulous hike. That's all I'm saying. Are you
Speaker 1: smoking Reefer? I thought we were smoking. I thought we
Speaker 1: always smoke Reefer on the culture catch Up. So I'm
Speaker 1: so let me just let me pull back the curtain. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I want you to indulge in go there, but let
Speaker 1: me pull back the curtain. So today I had my
Speaker 1: first rehearsal for having heard a Christmas with Henry. How
Speaker 1: did it go? It went really well. We got through
Speaker 1: all the songs. I only went up on my lyrics
Speaker 1: a couple of times, which is fine. But it's feeling.
Speaker 1: It's feeling good to sort of use my hashtag instrument again.
Speaker 1: But I am also realizing it's been a long time.
Speaker 1: So I'm getting back into it. My first shows are
Speaker 1: this weekend in Chicago. I'm very excited, but I've definitely
Speaker 1: been as a result of me trying to be a
Speaker 1: little bit more safe with my voice, I've been very
Speaker 1: much a shut in, and so that has resulted in me,
Speaker 1: I respect this to the high heavens. I have been
Speaker 1: absorbing so much culch and going out and doing some
Speaker 1: things like me and Mo actually had a fabulous Thanksgiving together.
Speaker 1: We really saw the stories it looked, and Vanya the
Speaker 1: cat was with us, and Vanya is, of course my
Speaker 1: gay gods, so gay, and he was. He was so
Speaker 1: gay and fabulous, and you could tell he wanted to
Speaker 1: get into the food so much. You know the thing
Speaker 1: of when I pet wants to get into the food. Yes,
Speaker 1: that is we all know this girl Beethoven with a drumstick.
Speaker 1: Hilarious comedy. One of the comedy icons Beethoven. That dog
Speaker 1: knew the assignment. A lot of people would say, he
Speaker 1: did what he needed to do. He did what he
Speaker 1: needed to do, had the turkey leg in his mouth
Speaker 1: while still giving you droopy eyes going huh, just dead pan,
Speaker 1: dead pan and God just giving you Aubrey Plaza before
Speaker 1: she was even around, Okay, that is true, was not
Speaker 1: around when Beethoven came out. Aubrey Plaza was what a blastula.
Speaker 1: She was a zygotic, young, dead pan doer. But after
Speaker 1: Beethoven anyway, So you've been, really you've been. You've been
Speaker 1: shutting in, you're protecting the instrument. I say, bravo, thank you,
Speaker 1: and that's premature, but we hope to hear a lot
Speaker 1: of that all throughout December. All right. So basically, when
Speaker 1: I say that a culture has been my experience so far,
Speaker 1: what I mean is there's been so much out there.
Speaker 1: There really has been to chew on and talk about.
Speaker 1: I think that number one, and you know, we'll talk
Speaker 1: about all of it, but number one, I would say,
Speaker 1: but and this of course is a little monster podcast,
Speaker 1: and I think that you know, while you say that,
Speaker 1: you know, Lady Gaga changed her life in terms of
Speaker 1: her music. I would consider myself Lady Gaga's number one
Speaker 1: fan as an actress because I actually saw Stars Born
Speaker 1: a record four times the first weekend it came out,
Speaker 1: and I have seen a House of Gucci twice. This
Speaker 1: is incredible. And let me just say without this encapsulates
Speaker 1: a lot of my feelings about the movie. Would not
Speaker 1: see it again, even even though I also I too
Speaker 1: love Lady Gaga as an actress. You love her so
Speaker 1: much that you would see the movie twice. So when
Speaker 1: when the first viewing of the film was over, I
Speaker 1: had regrets about having a plan to see at a
Speaker 1: second time. Because here's the thing about House of Gucci.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's good. I agree, but Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: is spacular spectacular would you agree? You said spectacular, I
Speaker 1: said phenomenal. Bit at the same time, you didn't hear me, honey, specnomenal,
Speaker 1: specnomenal title of that title, that specnomenomenal. Lady Gaga is secnomenal.
Speaker 1: So you loved her. I loved her so much she
Speaker 1: actually here's the thing. Like I was texting with Dave
Speaker 1: about it. He said to me, I didn't because here's
Speaker 1: the deal. Like in the press for the movie, in
Speaker 1: the trailer for the movie, there is a degree of
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is going to be camp and
Speaker 1: a little bit of nervousness like did she go too
Speaker 1: far this time? I did not laugh at her at all.
Speaker 1: To me, I bought her entire performance. I actually felt
Speaker 1: that Lady Gaga's performance was the tone and that was
Speaker 1: supposed to be that it was supposed to be, and
Speaker 1: then every other actor unfortunately was not in the same movie.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that much has been made of
Speaker 1: this already on online. Like I'm not saying something new anyway,
Speaker 1: but I actually think it unfortunately falls on the director
Speaker 1: of really Scott, because there was almost no direction in
Speaker 1: this movie. It was like you had Lady Gaga doing
Speaker 1: House of Gucci what it should have been, and it
Speaker 1: really you know, that's that you had Adam Driver sort
Speaker 1: of like underplaying it in a way that unfortunately was dull.
Speaker 1: And then Jared Leto in what I'm calling the Walluigi
Speaker 1: biopic Purple because because Paolo was wearing purple Babe, this
Speaker 1: was a zoo animal performance. I have no one, I
Speaker 1: really I think now we can all say not not ours.
Speaker 1: We we don't. We don't, we don't claim him, we
Speaker 1: don't think anything of him. No, I think there are
Speaker 1: some people out there like us who might really enjoy him.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal. And I'm saying we are, we shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I am not a fan and this is and I've
Speaker 1: had is was with certain things before, but like for me,
Speaker 1: this is my This is actually an issue I have
Speaker 1: with the movie. He deliberately and willfully did not match her.
Speaker 1: And I think I actually called the performance narcissistic and
Speaker 1: and and like egospyst because he obviously it's the prosthetics
Speaker 1: of it all, because first of all, Peloguchi did not
Speaker 1: look like that, So it's the prosthetics. It's the hammy hammy,
Speaker 1: hammy overacting, which yes, some of that blame does fall
Speaker 1: on Realley Scott, but it just felt like like chewing
Speaker 1: the scenery performance in a movie that did not require
Speaker 1: that or need that. And I almost think it's a
Speaker 1: casting issue because why don't you just put someone in
Speaker 1: that movie in that role that actually embodies that person. Therefore,
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be telling the actor, hey, you're in a
Speaker 1: prosthetic with a movie, in a movie with Lady Gaga.
Speaker 1: And he thinks, because he didn't gauge it correctly, that
Speaker 1: that meant I'm going to deliver will Luigi Bio can
Speaker 1: we I have a feeling this probably can't be conferred
Speaker 1: and this is just conjecture. I feel like he probably
Speaker 1: was the one to push for the prosthetics. It reads
Speaker 1: to me as you know, he's the one who demanded
Speaker 1: those pross That's what I'm saying. And so really I
Speaker 1: think I just grimaced anytime, especially in the scene with
Speaker 1: Gaga where like the father Son House, a Gucci scene,
Speaker 1: I was just like he was he was he upset me.
Speaker 1: I was like stop it, cut it out. It was
Speaker 1: completely distracting. And also it is credit to Gaga that
Speaker 1: she's able to anchor that scene and she actually manages
Speaker 1: something kind of spectomenal, which is that she's able to
Speaker 1: be the fun thing in every scene and also anchor it. Yes, Wow,
Speaker 1: you're so right, my sister genius. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It's like when when when she is not on screen,
Speaker 1: why are we watching it? Exactly? Do you think? Do?
Speaker 1: And I guess obviously the filmmakers did think that this
Speaker 1: was supposed to be something everyone wants to because it
Speaker 1: was an epic about Gucci. If you thought that, then
Speaker 1: you would give us something in the writing early on
Speaker 1: that makes us care about Gucci. There was nothing in
Speaker 1: this movie that said outside of that Gucci meant wealth
Speaker 1: and power and family. There was nothing in in in
Speaker 1: the House of Gucci that was akin to the assassination
Speaker 1: of Johnny Versacci, which really let you know what Versaca
Speaker 1: was all about. You pronounced it correctly, Rosa. You're so
Speaker 1: right because there because even when she meets him for
Speaker 1: the first time at the party, it's like there's no like,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no like she doesn't like widen her
Speaker 1: eyes when like she like tells her who she is
Speaker 1: or something, you know, like there should be something that
Speaker 1: like flips in her when she finds out who, like
Speaker 1: like who his family is. You know, I think she
Speaker 1: she hints at it a little bit, but also it's
Speaker 1: never saying that's not it's not her problem. I think
Speaker 1: it's in the script, like there's no there's no moment
Speaker 1: in the direction, there's no moment anyway. Sorry, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say that. My my issue is that if you're
Speaker 1: going to because again, like I feel that this movie
Speaker 1: actually commits a lot of the same errors that Starsborne did,
Speaker 1: which is, once it loses her, it loses us because
Speaker 1: in the last forty minutes, which by the way, this
Speaker 1: is a two hour and forty minute movie, and you
Speaker 1: feel every minute of the last forty minutes because when
Speaker 1: they bring in Reeve carneyas Tom Ford. It's like, wait,
Speaker 1: so this so this is a movie about Gucci, movie
Speaker 1: about her, because that's not how the first half of
Speaker 1: the movie was. It was very much about her, and
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's not. And we have
Speaker 1: to watch that long scene at the end, which is
Speaker 1: Morritio Gucci played by Adam Driver getting dismissed from the company,
Speaker 1: and it's like, wait, this is not the part that
Speaker 1: we ever cared about exactly it was, Yeah, I agree,
Speaker 1: it was a slow crawl. And then by the time
Speaker 1: she shows up again with Salma looking like Joe Calderone
Speaker 1: what like that scene, it's so she's a get She's
Speaker 1: not even doing that much like campy stuff. I would
Speaker 1: call it not camp but even just like the it's
Speaker 1: it's not camp but even the fun, like the fun
Speaker 1: part that you remember is who does what? The way
Speaker 1: she points her finger, but it's still like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's still so like that. I mean that just speaks
Speaker 1: to how like much her absence has felt in that
Speaker 1: last forty minutes. You know. The thing is like in
Speaker 1: the trailer when you see like who does What? And
Speaker 1: don't miss and like you're laughing and you're like, oh no,
Speaker 1: But then when you watch the movie, her performance is
Speaker 1: very consistent. Do you know what? I wish they had
Speaker 1: more scenes of Gaga and Jeremy Irons. I think all
Speaker 1: we got was that meal where they first meet, and
Speaker 1: that scene is great because of the two of them,
Speaker 1: like like it's so like it's It's just I thought
Speaker 1: that was a decent scene, like out of the many
Speaker 1: like weird scenes in the movie. Pretty much every time
Speaker 1: she's on screen, I enjoy the movie. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: that too much of it forgets that, too much of
Speaker 1: it thinks that the interesting thing is this epic tale
Speaker 1: of the rise and fall of Mauricio Gucci and the
Speaker 1: Gucci family, when meanwhile, that is not why we buy
Speaker 1: the ticket. And maybe I'm being presumptuous here, but I
Speaker 1: almost feel a more interesting movie completely leaves this behind
Speaker 1: and is merely about what happens when she gets divorced
Speaker 1: and and what her life becomes. And I think there's
Speaker 1: a more interesting movie about the plot with Salma and
Speaker 1: these guys and the aftermath of the murder, realizing what
Speaker 1: she's done and that she didn't get away with it.
Speaker 1: That to me, is the more interesting film. I love that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it very like Itania almost and we
Speaker 1: saw none of it. We saw him, I mean spoiler alert,
Speaker 1: I guess if you haven't seen it, but by this
Speaker 1: point whatever, we'll put it in the liner notes. But
Speaker 1: we see him getting murdered, and then she writes Paradiso
Speaker 1: in her um journal, which really happened. And then you
Speaker 1: see her getting sentenced. Pretty much that's the and then
Speaker 1: and then and then the credits roll. Yeah right, And meanwhile,
Speaker 1: isn't there so much more to the fact that she
Speaker 1: did not get away with this probably thought she would
Speaker 1: or maybe did it. Like, there's just a lot more
Speaker 1: to explore in terms of the character of Patricia Reggianni
Speaker 1: that I feel the movie doesn't have much interest in.
Speaker 1: And I think it's a mistake the way you just
Speaker 1: broke this done for everybody. The readers that that stick
Speaker 1: with the pod know that when they trot out these
Speaker 1: movies at the end of the year and see these
Speaker 1: are the Oscar movies. I take that seriously. And I'm like, okay, well,
Speaker 1: if this is like defining the culture, I mean, you
Speaker 1: all heard that I was not easy. I'm promising young
Speaker 1: woman in that script and I respect the fact that
Speaker 1: it won the OSCAR for Best Original Screenplay, but I
Speaker 1: hold these things to a high standard for better or worse.
Speaker 1: And no one went into House of Gucci wanting to
Speaker 1: love it more. And I leave and it's seven because
Speaker 1: of the strength of her performance. And I think al
Speaker 1: Pacino was fabulous. Oh Pacino was you and I talked
Speaker 1: about how we both loved Pecino absolutely, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: he was so great. He should be the buzzy supporting performance. Yes, yes, agree.
Speaker 1: I think that sometimes the industry and actors get so
Speaker 1: up their own ass about the transformation of it all
Speaker 1: that they're not thinking about tone Like this Jared Letto
Speaker 1: performance is willfully bad. He was he kind of was
Speaker 1: throwing the movie a little bit. It felt like he
Speaker 1: didn't respect her prosthetics. And movies for the most part,
Speaker 1: are just like the perfect symbol of this obsession with
Speaker 1: losing disappearing into the role, which is so fucking overrated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I don't think we actually need it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I don't care like like and this
Speaker 1: is the thing is like, you know, American time Story
Speaker 1: ends in a while back. But even with Sarah Paulson
Speaker 1: in that in that series, which I thought she was great,
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if I needed the prosthetic or
Speaker 1: maybe it was. And I think she's an amazing actress
Speaker 1: and you know whatever, but maybe it's not the right
Speaker 1: person for the part. Then if you have to like
Speaker 1: put a prosthetic on to make it clear, how quote
Speaker 1: unquote ugly this person was, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: it's just there's something nasty about it. I kept my
Speaker 1: finger on it, but the prosthetic of it all throws
Speaker 1: me because I think we're moving it. I think we're
Speaker 1: gonna move out of it because I think we we
Speaker 1: aren't the only ones who feel this way. I think
Speaker 1: we're at a breaking point with it. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like very soon we will, like I think in like
Speaker 1: ten years, the industry will avoid it so much. Truly.
Speaker 1: It's not like a C G I thing where it's like,
Speaker 1: oh no, they can develop the technology better. It's that
Speaker 1: it just it's it's it's this thing of like why,
Speaker 1: like what is it really saying when we like make
Speaker 1: someone look a certain way with these like little attachments
Speaker 1: to their ace or something or body, like I don't
Speaker 1: know what that says about the role, if it's being
Speaker 1: if it's like if it's an adaptation of a real
Speaker 1: story or something. You know, it's like that kind of
Speaker 1: also noticed that it usually is applied on an actor
Speaker 1: that is a perfectly symmetrical physical specimen. I mean, Jared
Speaker 1: Leto is a beautiful person, like anyone in the world
Speaker 1: could objectively say, oh, that is a beautiful man. Even
Speaker 1: in this performance, like his eyes just kept exploding out
Speaker 1: to me. I'm like, see, I'm here's the deal with
Speaker 1: the prosthetic on I'm actually remembering more and more that
Speaker 1: this is Jared Letting. Yes, he did not disappear into
Speaker 1: it at all for me, because it was clownary. Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: So the win the wink of the wink was too big,
Speaker 1: it like cut through the prosthetic count. Yeah, it was
Speaker 1: just was it was not effective, And I it's rough
Speaker 1: because and I think that the thing with him is
Speaker 1: he gets a lot of credit for being someone who
Speaker 1: quote unquote disappears into rules. Like you know, he's obviously
Speaker 1: not a transgender woman. He wanted an oscar for playing one,
Speaker 1: probably right in the nick of time, probably about a
Speaker 1: year and a half later that would have been completely unacceptable,
Speaker 1: but he did win an oscar for Dallas Buyers Club
Speaker 1: for playing a transgender woman. He obviously is one of
Speaker 1: the you know list of jokers that we have, and
Speaker 1: he was method on that set and sending his cast
Speaker 1: members like rats in the mail. Literally, um, I just
Speaker 1: too much for me. And he seems like I'm over
Speaker 1: I'm over the Jared Lettle thing and like like I've
Speaker 1: been for a while and House of Gucci just to
Speaker 1: me because I feel it was disrespectful. That's why that's
Speaker 1: what this is where I'm completely I think we it's
Speaker 1: so funny. Like to me, Jared Letto is someone who
Speaker 1: while he's like had these dumb little transgressions and he
Speaker 1: seems to be an insufferable person, like he hasn't ever
Speaker 1: like made me care how I feel about him, And
Speaker 1: now I actually care enough to say that I dislike him.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's not it's I don't. I think he's like
Speaker 1: you know what the thing is like like he to
Speaker 1: me is one of the frustrating ones because like I
Speaker 1: do feel like he does have talent, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I can totally like see he's a
Speaker 1: talented person. I think he's a talented musician. You know,
Speaker 1: his music is not for me. But I actually heard
Speaker 1: him do a cover of Rihanna Stay one time on
Speaker 1: that radio lounge or Radio one maybe See one. It
Speaker 1: was fantastic. And I think that when he plays roles
Speaker 1: that are appropriate for him. And we could get into
Speaker 1: a larger discussion about what role is quote unquote appropriate
Speaker 1: for an actor whose job is to inhabit other things.
Speaker 1: But I just think for me, I actually come out
Speaker 1: of it way more when I see him playing far
Speaker 1: from himself. You know what, I like him my so
Speaker 1: called life, you know what. I like him grow interrupted,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I like him when he's
Speaker 1: giving something that I identify with and I recognize. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't like while Luigi Biopic. I have a really strange,
Speaker 1: potentially unfair question to ask. This is just I just
Speaker 1: want to see I just because I can't. I don't
Speaker 1: know what the answer is to this. Let's say Linda
Speaker 1: trips Sarah Paulson. Would it have worked, which she had
Speaker 1: been good or effective in the role, if she didn't
Speaker 1: have the prosthetics on, if she wasn't wearing the fat suit.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Here's the thing I think she's always
Speaker 1: going to be good because I think that Sarah is
Speaker 1: incredibly talented. And I left watching that series, which I
Speaker 1: did watch the whole thing. I was actually really impressed
Speaker 1: with her because I thought there was a degree of
Speaker 1: humanity that she gave the character. My issue lies in,
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of plus size actresses, a gorgeous, thin,
Speaker 1: blonde woman and again, I guess I'm asking this because
Speaker 1: I haven't seen it, so I don't know how much
Speaker 1: of she's incredible, no notice. I'm sure she's incredible, but
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how much the show makes um it
Speaker 1: a characteristic that she is fat. But then you've told me,
Speaker 1: like there's so many liquisine SMEEs and all this stuff,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm sure like the human Linda Trip was
Speaker 1: obviously the way people perceived her was obviously informed by
Speaker 1: her weight and her figure, and that's why you get
Speaker 1: like John Goodman playing her on SNL Like it's like
Speaker 1: it's like that's which is shitty. You know, It's like
Speaker 1: there is a narrative thread in the series which is yes,
Speaker 1: from the first episode you see her sort of you know,
Speaker 1: following nineties diet trends, um but it's less about her
Speaker 1: weight that she's made fun of and ridiculed and bullied
Speaker 1: in the public eye and more because of two things.
Speaker 1: One she fully betrayed her best friend and it was
Speaker 1: like a very to the public at the time. And
Speaker 1: you could agree, you could argue now black and white betrayal.
Speaker 1: She's a she's a horrible person. We just and and
Speaker 1: it does, it does color in some shades of gray.
Speaker 1: But she definitely did something that I think this this
Speaker 1: this series sort of hints at that she regretted for
Speaker 1: the rest of her life. Um because it did destroy
Speaker 1: Monica's life at the time, but also it's more about
Speaker 1: her getting ridiculed because she is and this is like
Speaker 1: the word that they would all use, ugly. It's about
Speaker 1: how ugly she is, how ugly she is, how ugly
Speaker 1: she is. And so by the end of the first season,
Speaker 1: and this really happened, Linda Trip in real life got
Speaker 1: extensive cosmetic surgery to look completely different so that a
Speaker 1: she wouldn't be recognizable and and you know, torn apart
Speaker 1: for the rest of her life and she could start
Speaker 1: her life over, but also be because Sarah Polson actually
Speaker 1: has a line in the last episode where she says,
Speaker 1: you know, I never actually realized how ugly I was
Speaker 1: until everyone told me, which is heartbreaking. There's something to
Speaker 1: the fact that there's a fucking gorgeous actress playing her
Speaker 1: who has no shortage of opportunities. So that's I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's an interesting conversation. And when that's
Speaker 1: there's no responsibility or any sort of like stage gate
Speaker 1: for like someone for Sarah to be like, I shouldn't
Speaker 1: take the role, you know, Like, that's not what we're saying.
Speaker 1: We're just saying there's this dilemma in Hollywood that may
Speaker 1: or may not. Yeah, well it's it is a you know,
Speaker 1: it's a thing of like, well, not not to rope
Speaker 1: it into the diversity conversation, but it's like, what about
Speaker 1: people who do look like regular people? You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I mean Linda trip was, I mean
Speaker 1: what whether or not whether or not she was unattractive
Speaker 1: is subjective ultimately, but it's also like, so much the
Speaker 1: show is so much about the beauty standard that for
Speaker 1: them to put an actress in a fat suit and
Speaker 1: a prosthetic to make her less attractive is problematic. Yes,
Speaker 1: when you're doing a show about the beauty standard, right right,
Speaker 1: it's not problematic then, like diluted and like we as
Speaker 1: an audience don't really sort of buy in. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I also think, you know, Ryan Murphy really likes to
Speaker 1: work with who he works with, and I also don't
Speaker 1: begrudge him that. I think that he he obviously prefers
Speaker 1: to work with certain actors and I think that Sarah
Speaker 1: Paulson is one of the best out there, So I
Speaker 1: don't begrudge that. I just think, you know, if we
Speaker 1: were to leave watching this series without discussing that, and
Speaker 1: it's interesting we talk about it in the thing of
Speaker 1: House of Gucci because at a certain point it's a
Speaker 1: talking point. I think for the opposite reason they wanted
Speaker 1: to be, because it doesn't allow us to opt in.
Speaker 1: It actually distracts us from yes, yes, yes, I love this.
Speaker 1: I think it's time to move on. So I wanted
Speaker 1: to ask you about a movie that we just both saw,
Speaker 1: which you told me that you watched and I enjoyed
Speaker 1: so much, and I mentioned it last week on the
Speaker 1: Pot and I'm really so happy that you watched then
Speaker 1: your parents enjoyed it so much, which was Passing by
Speaker 1: Rebecca by Rebecca Hall loved it so much and we
Speaker 1: watched it. I watched it with my parents because I'm
Speaker 1: now I'm having to pick up movies where there are
Speaker 1: Chinese subtitles, and Netflix, with at least their original stuff
Speaker 1: will have Chinese subtitles on, and so played it. How
Speaker 1: the subtitles on. My dad keeps being like, I don't
Speaker 1: need these, I can understand what's going on. I actually
Speaker 1: had that question for you, though, I did, I did,
Speaker 1: I did. I wondered just how much of it they were.
Speaker 1: They were, they followed all of it, they loved it,
Speaker 1: but um, the subtitles thing is funny, and it's this
Speaker 1: funny like first generation thing. I guess maybe where first
Speaker 1: enieration millennial gen z thing. You're either overestimating or underestimating
Speaker 1: how much your parents can, like your immigrant parents who
Speaker 1: don't speak English as their first language, can like absorb
Speaker 1: narratively in something. I feel like Passing was a movie
Speaker 1: that ended up being so like, so wonderfully lean and
Speaker 1: yet so effective, and the storytelling in the narrative that
Speaker 1: like they got it and they understood everything that was
Speaker 1: going on. Yes this, I mean I love this, I
Speaker 1: love I I pretty much loved everything about it. I mean,
Speaker 1: I thought that Tessa Thompson was exquisite, and I think
Speaker 1: that she she is not getting talked about enough at
Speaker 1: this time of year because I think there's a lot
Speaker 1: of bigger, louder performances. But she So what if people
Speaker 1: don't know the story is about Tessa Thompson is a
Speaker 1: woman who lives in Harlem, and this is the nineteen
Speaker 1: twenties in New York and she one day is passing
Speaker 1: in a white part of this city so that she
Speaker 1: can run errands. And what that means for people that
Speaker 1: don't know is that she is basically light skinned enough
Speaker 1: where she can sort of disguise herself as a white
Speaker 1: woman so that she is not attacked, ridiculed, harassed, or
Speaker 1: worse in this white part of town where she needs
Speaker 1: to run errands for the day and it's a very
Speaker 1: high day. So she stops in a hotel and runs
Speaker 1: into a childhood friends of hers played by Immaculate, who
Speaker 1: is fully passing as a white woman with blonde hair,
Speaker 1: married to Alexander scars Guard who continues to push himself
Speaker 1: like and he does there's no monster, he won't play,
Speaker 1: and there's something brave about it. It's very brave. I
Speaker 1: am part of me is may be worried that this
Speaker 1: is all he's getting offered. It's a little typecast threatening.
Speaker 1: He's obviously someone who I mean, he's Norman like I
Speaker 1: think I think that he's one of the best actors
Speaker 1: as well. But yeah, he plays her husband and basically
Speaker 1: like they have a conversation that leaves both of them
Speaker 1: wanting to reconnect. And it's dangerous because Alexander scarts Guard
Speaker 1: is a major racist and so they start a friendship
Speaker 1: again and the movie takes off from there and it's
Speaker 1: just it's just fabulous. I mean, she Rebecca Hall wrote
Speaker 1: this right, and she wrote and directed it based on
Speaker 1: her own experience of finding out that her grandfather passed.
Speaker 1: I mean there was such like I told you this right,
Speaker 1: and I think, I really think, I don't think I'm
Speaker 1: off here. It was a Tennessee Williams quality about this.
Speaker 1: It's also very streetcar like, for like coming into the
Speaker 1: home of this marriage like it just and she was
Speaker 1: playing like Southern Bell, like Blanche Dubois, like Ruthe ruth um,
Speaker 1: and it was just so so like wonderfully done. Shot
Speaker 1: in black and white as a choice yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I loved it. I loved it so much. I mean,
Speaker 1: we're just saying how much we love it, right we
Speaker 1: were discussing, I don't, I mean, I don't. I obviously
Speaker 1: don't want to give much of the plot away, but
Speaker 1: it is really actually it's very interesting as a as
Speaker 1: a movie to look at right now, I think, particularly
Speaker 1: in our times, because one of the subplots which I
Speaker 1: thought was really interesting is um Tessa Thompson and her
Speaker 1: husband have a disagreement about how much to tell their
Speaker 1: children about violence towards black people. And I thought that
Speaker 1: it was a really really fascinating conversation and argument that
Speaker 1: they have because Tessa Thompson is the more light skinned
Speaker 1: in the couple and she thinks our kids don't need
Speaker 1: to know about it, and her husband who's more dark
Speaker 1: skinned and cannot pass. Her husband cannot pass, doesn't have
Speaker 1: that privilege. He is like, no, they do need to
Speaker 1: know about it. And you know, you see the way
Speaker 1: that Ruth Nega, who is you know, extremely charismatic and
Speaker 1: does pass, is able to step back into black society
Speaker 1: and really becomes the bell of the ball. So it's
Speaker 1: so much internally going on in Tessa Thompson's character to
Speaker 1: the point where it all ends up to this climax,
Speaker 1: which is you know, really really really impactful. And I
Speaker 1: just think that everyone should watch it because it's so
Speaker 1: beautifully done. And Tessa Thompson, I think this put her
Speaker 1: in a different league for me, absolutely, And I was
Speaker 1: telling you that, like she had a very difficult thing
Speaker 1: to accomplish in this role where between Stella and Blanche,
Speaker 1: like Blanch is the more interesting one, like it's the
Speaker 1: same thing here. It's like or it's like like it's
Speaker 1: like similar to Zola in a way where it's like
Speaker 1: the looser, I mean not the looser canon like the
Speaker 1: more mysterious person. The actor like that role is just
Speaker 1: a little bit shinier and more fun yes to an audience,
Speaker 1: and for her to sort of have to be this
Speaker 1: like grounding thing person, I'm sorry, I'm so stoned, but
Speaker 1: but does this make sense? Like she like makes she
Speaker 1: really had to like hold that grounded nous. I just
Speaker 1: think we don't respect nuance enough. I just think especially
Speaker 1: you know, it's just so hard to do. And I
Speaker 1: think that even in Gaga's performance in House of Gucci,
Speaker 1: like people are going to think, oh, this is like,
Speaker 1: you know, an over the top, like wildly emotional performance,
Speaker 1: but there is nuance in it, and I think that
Speaker 1: that's really what I look for, as I look for
Speaker 1: those little things under the surface that that tell you
Speaker 1: all you need to know. And Passing has so much
Speaker 1: of that. And I think it's also credit to the
Speaker 1: script and Rebecca Hall. You know, I've always been interested
Speaker 1: in her as an actress, like I've always been, you know,
Speaker 1: aware of her. I like her, and Vicky Christina I
Speaker 1: like her, and you know, she was in Frost Nixon,
Speaker 1: I think is the first thing I saw her, and
Speaker 1: she was in the town. She's in lots of good stuff.
Speaker 1: She has a real talent as a writer. Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: my god, so tight that script, like for yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean that triangle of Testa's character the husband and Ruth's
Speaker 1: is such a perfect like triangulation, sorry to say that again,
Speaker 1: but like for testas character where she's like caught between
Speaker 1: these two poles. Yes, it's so great. Yeah, I feel like,
Speaker 1: you know, the Testament is a great writing and also
Speaker 1: great direction and acting obviously is how much is our
Speaker 1: sticulated and what is not said and so on the page?
Speaker 1: You know what I love is that there's very long
Speaker 1: scenes between the actors, like I really love I missed
Speaker 1: that I miss I missed, like, um, you know because
Speaker 1: it very easily could be uh like a scene on stage. Um.
Speaker 1: And it was a novella, so it's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's an adapted work, but this is a really it's
Speaker 1: like there's scenes study you can do it because there's
Speaker 1: subtext and there's really rich things for the actress to
Speaker 1: play and they're just so good. I just can't recommend
Speaker 1: it enough. And I was really happy that you watched
Speaker 1: it and liked it so much. Girl, I loved it.
Speaker 1: Let's move on. Should we talk about speaking of colorism?
Speaker 1: Should we just talk about Potomac? Well, it's so so yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, just to dive back into our like our,
Speaker 1: because I feel like with Wendy, we were talking so
Speaker 1: much about her in her life that we really didn't
Speaker 1: get into it about Potomac. But this was the long
Speaker 1: teased episode. This is a long episode. But I I
Speaker 1: just want to say, this is not me patting us
Speaker 1: in the back. I was so surprised her at her
Speaker 1: surprise that the audience was registering the colorism that was
Speaker 1: happening on the show, Like when we brought it up,
Speaker 1: she seemed genuinely like shocked in a way, like she
Speaker 1: was like, oh, I didn't know you guys were clocking
Speaker 1: that too. I mean, I don't know this for sure,
Speaker 1: but I think that is probably a testament to just
Speaker 1: how abandoned dark skinned black people and dark skinned black
Speaker 1: women often feel in this conversation, because like, this is
Speaker 1: not this did not just come up on this show.
Speaker 1: But these things don't change. And I think that you know,
Speaker 1: to me, it's very obvious. And obviously last night was
Speaker 1: a more fun episode of the Reunion where Nicki Minaj
Speaker 1: got into so many things. But I still think we
Speaker 1: have this you know, hanging narrative, which is the fact
Speaker 1: that you know there's that there's an issue at play there.
Speaker 1: But this was kind of just more fun. And I
Speaker 1: love that Nikki like she really was willing to break
Speaker 1: the fourth wall a little bit with them, which I
Speaker 1: always enjoy. I love it she knew that she or
Speaker 1: Andy told her like, you can actually take a side
Speaker 1: in all the things, and she was like and like
Speaker 1: she made it known. And I think she said a
Speaker 1: lot of things that the audience has thought the time.
Speaker 1: And I just I mean I talked to a friend
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh my god, did you want
Speaker 1: what did you think? And he was like, I really
Speaker 1: hated it. He was like I wish it would have
Speaker 1: been twenty minutes. But then I was like, oh really,
Speaker 1: and he specifically referenced and it made sense to me
Speaker 1: when he was like, yeah, like it was insane to
Speaker 1: watch like Canada squirm when like they were making her
Speaker 1: sing like that is something that was a little uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: very uncomfortable. Actually it was. That was the only moment
Speaker 1: where I felt bad for one of them. I was like, see,
Speaker 1: this is a little unfair, because I mean, let's be real,
Speaker 1: Nicki Minaj is going to sit up there on that
Speaker 1: stage and be like, we know you use auto tune.
Speaker 1: Do you think that she's sang a note of the
Speaker 1: super based chorus? Do you think that she come on
Speaker 1: Starships was actually acapella. The final track is acapella, and
Speaker 1: she's doing all of that with her with her own voice.
Speaker 1: It was army of computers on all of Nicki Minaj's albums,
Speaker 1: and we respect her, and but to bring that in,
Speaker 1: I think, of course she wanted to, you know, stir
Speaker 1: it up a little bit. But the thing is like
Speaker 1: the thing with singing like that, it's like when you're
Speaker 1: put on the spot like that and you haven't been
Speaker 1: warming up, like you know. I I did feel bad
Speaker 1: for her, and then you know her her acapella was
Speaker 1: not great, like because she was nervous. She was nervous.
Speaker 1: It's clear she can sing though, it's clear she of
Speaker 1: course and the song is a hit. And I didn't
Speaker 1: appreciate the way that was a mess Nikki was making
Speaker 1: Nikki and Mia fuck Mia, MIA's toast, no piece of
Speaker 1: ship she's done. But the way they were making Candice
Speaker 1: feel like it was not a successful single, like it
Speaker 1: absolutely is to chart on Billboard is a huge ecologis
Speaker 1: a huge deal. And the way they the way that
Speaker 1: Nikki was making faces, and I think this might have
Speaker 1: been the editing about the amount of albums that Candice
Speaker 1: has sold, like that's nothing to sneeze at, like no
Speaker 1: one buys albums anymore. Like you know, her single formed
Speaker 1: it is the best housewife single, definitely single from a housewife, right,
Speaker 1: like I would say, I mean, unless a lot of
Speaker 1: people are in a lot of people do love Tardy
Speaker 1: for the party, which is Candy Burris, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like she did write it shore but expensive,
Speaker 1: and like how many funcks like those are just like
Speaker 1: sonically very fun, but like musically just like so stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: their party songs and like just forget about lu Anne's stuff.
Speaker 1: But like this is a I thought it's I think
Speaker 1: it's a great album. I'm happy that she released a
Speaker 1: new like she lined up the release for her new
Speaker 1: music video with this finale, this reunion. Um, we we
Speaker 1: love Candice, We love Candice, and actually, okay, so a
Speaker 1: lot of actually got some blowback because they were like,
Speaker 1: you know that NICKI, you know that Candice has said
Speaker 1: homophobic things. And I was like, you know, at a
Speaker 1: certain point, like some people have more growing to do
Speaker 1: than others. And it's also like I don't watch this show,
Speaker 1: and every single time someone appears on my screen, I
Speaker 1: stop and say hold on before I like them, let
Speaker 1: me go search through their Twitter. I'm sorry, but that's
Speaker 1: not my bag. There was a moment where it was
Speaker 1: brought up that LGBTQ people face persecution in this country
Speaker 1: in a very general sense, and all of the housewives agreed,
Speaker 1: nodded in acknowledgement. You get a single on Candice saying whatever,
Speaker 1: it's sad like I feel like she is maybe growing.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're I hope we are all in
Speaker 1: this place now in this conversation just about cancelation in general,
Speaker 1: where it's like, I, whatever, we why why do I
Speaker 1: why do we talk about this? I'm sorry, let's cut
Speaker 1: this part out. I don't think we need to. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: the thing is just like, look, okay, we're watching the show,
Speaker 1: and we're watching the characters as they are on the show,
Speaker 1: and our opinion is this podcast stands the character of
Speaker 1: Candice on the show. Okay, so sorry, like, but I'm
Speaker 1: not looking through her fucking tax returns and her Twitter
Speaker 1: and I don't actually know her as a person. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: I don't follow it that closely. I watched the television show.
Speaker 1: So if you're gonna unsubscribe from this podcast because we
Speaker 1: like Candice, that says more about you, darling, dear, it's fine,
Speaker 1: it's fine. Um, where is your income? Roach is one
Speaker 1: of the classic tweets, and I couldn't believe she said
Speaker 1: it to a woman that she was giving birth. But also,
Speaker 1: you know what, that's actually good television and that I like,
Speaker 1: where is your income, Where is your income? Roach? And what?
Speaker 1: And what did she say to me? You should be
Speaker 1: you should be as grateful. You should you should she said,
Speaker 1: you should be grateful. You should have been more grateful.
Speaker 1: And also, of course I kind of she was trespassing,
Speaker 1: like Candice gives and gives, it gives you the moment.
Speaker 1: I did like that. Andy went up to her at
Speaker 1: the end and was like, I have to give you
Speaker 1: props because that was really cool and everyone is supporting
Speaker 1: you and you sounds great and you did that, like
Speaker 1: you know, y'all. I thought it was a great episode.
Speaker 1: Was Nikki was really I thought it the whole time
Speaker 1: about what Wendy was saying. It was like she was
Speaker 1: watching this woman push all of these other women off
Speaker 1: a cliff and then she was like, Oh sh it,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be my turns soon. I have a feeling
Speaker 1: they edited a lot out. I have a feeling that
Speaker 1: she went harder and they took it out because they
Speaker 1: were like, I mean, we can't. She was so easy
Speaker 1: on Giselle in the final edit that I'm like, she
Speaker 1: must have gone harder. It really came off that she
Speaker 1: was team Giselle, and I was like, how can you
Speaker 1: watch the show. But like a lot of people are
Speaker 1: a lot of people are team Giselle readers even a
Speaker 1: team Giselle, and we respect that we disagree. We think
Speaker 1: Giselle is a horrible person. I do it last at
Speaker 1: least as depicted. Okay, and again that's what we're talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know Giselle's report card from third grade. I
Speaker 1: don't know. So I feel that we would be remiss
Speaker 1: to not mention that, like, if this is going to
Speaker 1: be a culture podcast, like we truly have lost one
Speaker 1: of the great artists of all time, who is like
Speaker 1: the Shakespeare of musical theater. It's been said, and I
Speaker 1: would agree, which is Stephen Sondheim. I mean, we just
Speaker 1: have to like truly give respect because that was a
Speaker 1: hard one, even though he was ninety one. I believe
Speaker 1: that is a hard one to not have on planet Earth.
Speaker 1: This is so, this is that, this is I'm just
Speaker 1: saying this because it felt like a beautiful coincidence in
Speaker 1: my life. The news broken. It came up on my
Speaker 1: phone that he had passed away, Like the moment it
Speaker 1: was like reported, I think, not that it matters, but
Speaker 1: like I was sitting in the theater for House of
Speaker 1: Gucci by myself, and then and the trailers came up
Speaker 1: and it was West Side Story like that, Like I
Speaker 1: was like, I was watching, I was listening and watching
Speaker 1: like his work as like he whatever, no, it's funny,
Speaker 1: I learned as I learned that he was you you
Speaker 1: bring that up. And also I mean, by the way,
Speaker 1: speaking of the trailers, like they showed that West Side
Speaker 1: Story trailer and it was just so gorgeous and looks
Speaker 1: so beautiful. I can't wait. And Rachel Ziegler, are you
Speaker 1: coming on? I saw her at the opening night of six.
Speaker 1: What did she say? She was like, first of all, no, no,
Speaker 1: not even that. Yes, stunning, the perfect vibe, the perfect
Speaker 1: we're obsessed. Oh my god. I was like, you are
Speaker 1: a good person, You are a fun energy, so talented,
Speaker 1: obviously just a perfect snow white. Yes, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, Come on, a
Speaker 1: human snow white, not even like the princess the way,
Speaker 1: but just like someone that you're like, what a what
Speaker 1: an icon? What I'm saying is if you want to
Speaker 1: be treated like the princess, come on, come on, Rachel,
Speaker 1: want to talk to you. Well, she she said, she said,
Speaker 1: I want to come on. See. Here's the thing, though, Rachel.
Speaker 1: I'm talking to Rachel. I don't want to deal with
Speaker 1: your publicists, like because they're gonna say, oh, I don't know,
Speaker 1: she's got a lot of press she and Steven are doing.
Speaker 1: That's that's that's no, no, no, no no, no no, We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk to you only. Well, we won't even deal
Speaker 1: with the people who have to deal with your agent nothing.
Speaker 1: We'll just get in the d m s and we'll
Speaker 1: do this old fashioned both fashion because I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that, you know whatever. Pr is like, well,
Speaker 1: she's got to do a coldbart. It's like, no, you
Speaker 1: do Lost Culture Hony. Oh, by the way, there's a
Speaker 1: great um it's the CNN docu series, but there's a
Speaker 1: great one that's out on late night TV that I
Speaker 1: recommend to everybody who likes comedy. I watched it, learned
Speaker 1: a lot, loved it. I mean, I I am watching
Speaker 1: anything these days, so I will check that out. But
Speaker 1: X is what I'm ultimate to say. Putting all their
Speaker 1: documentaries on X and generally fun to watch, good to
Speaker 1: know they I mean, they got all the good Ducks.
Speaker 1: But basically, um, anyway, like stephen Sonhei Path thing, and
Speaker 1: now west Side coming out, I'm just I think this
Speaker 1: is gonna be even bigger than it was going to be.
Speaker 1: I mean I already feel like West Side is going
Speaker 1: to come out and pretty much clear the deck. Like
Speaker 1: when that trailer came out, I was like amazing, I
Speaker 1: mean just just incredible. And I did hear from some
Speaker 1: people that saw it because now it started to screen
Speaker 1: that it is fantastic and everything, and I just think,
Speaker 1: you know what, a I don't really necessarily believe in
Speaker 1: like you know, the fate or whatever, but for this
Speaker 1: to be coming out like at the end of his life,
Speaker 1: and it's unbelievable that he's sixty years sixty anniversary of
Speaker 1: the show. Yeah, it's just and that Rita Moreno was
Speaker 1: in it, you know what I mean. Like this is
Speaker 1: and I mean talk about someone who there's the there's
Speaker 1: a piece in the Guardian that came out about her
Speaker 1: bow and you have to read it. She has just
Speaker 1: lived the most extraordinary life. She talks about how, you know,
Speaker 1: speaking of street Car before she was in like an
Speaker 1: eight year relationship throughout the fifties with Marlon Brando that
Speaker 1: was like insane. She was treated so badly, like truly
Speaker 1: the first agent she ever had, he raped her and
Speaker 1: she had to stay with him, like horrible, horrible, horrible treatment.
Speaker 1: After she won the oscar for a West Side story,
Speaker 1: she wasn't offered anything but like like maids and girlfriends
Speaker 1: and like bad gangster movies, like very like racially stereotypical
Speaker 1: parts for years, didn't work for seven years in film
Speaker 1: after that, like worked her way in television and theater
Speaker 1: and One Woman shows all the way to her getting
Speaker 1: an egot. And now only in her eighties after her
Speaker 1: late husband passed away, was she able to like really
Speaker 1: get to know herself. Like it's just an amazing and
Speaker 1: she there's a documentary about her coming out, but she's
Speaker 1: in the New West Side. Apparently there's a role they
Speaker 1: pretty much created for her, and apparently she's amazing. But
Speaker 1: there's just so much to celebrate in West Side coming out,
Speaker 1: And you know, Stephen Sondheim was and you know, if
Speaker 1: you listen to this podcast enough, you know that we
Speaker 1: stand but I mean true legend and like genius out
Speaker 1: and like not in a way where you say, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know Selena Gomuz's album is genius. Now, this is
Speaker 1: like a real this is a real genius. Like, um,
Speaker 1: it's just not that Selena Gomos can't put out a
Speaker 1: sound time level album, not that she doesn't have genius
Speaker 1: in her future. I'm just saying, if we in a
Speaker 1: world where I used her as an example, genius, icon,
Speaker 1: etcetera legend, you know, we throw around these words, this
Speaker 1: was a true Yeah. I mean I I almost He's
Speaker 1: the kind of person that like it's immediately humbling to
Speaker 1: me for me to say I have nothing to add
Speaker 1: to like what what is being said about like this
Speaker 1: man's life. Like I'm truly like what it like, it's
Speaker 1: all it's all been like considered and like appreciated at
Speaker 1: the right moment. Like and also what I love this
Speaker 1: is my this is such bullshit like whatever like Instagram
Speaker 1: like inspiring quote, but like he really didn't like fully
Speaker 1: like come into his like whatever, like he gives a
Speaker 1: lot of people might put it like in his forties
Speaker 1: and fifties, Like that's what I think is Also, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's a cool thing to think about maybe
Speaker 1: like yeah, it's just like I think I think Sunday
Speaker 1: came Sunday the Park came out, like I think when
Speaker 1: he was like late forties, early fifties, that makes a
Speaker 1: lot of sense to me. I mean, I can't imagine
Speaker 1: being capable artistically and creatively of the things he was
Speaker 1: at a young age. But then it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: and by the way, did you have you watched the
Speaker 1: movie Tech Tick Boom? I haven't yet, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of waiting for like I'm saving it for the right woman,
Speaker 1: which I know is so annoying to hear. It is
Speaker 1: another fabulous mind right now. I watched it. It's also
Speaker 1: on Netflix. Andrew Garfield is so incredible in it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's so amazing in it. And the movie
Speaker 1: is of course about Jonathan Larson. You know, it's about
Speaker 1: him basically struggling to become successful and you know, etcetera.
Speaker 1: And he revers and idolizes Stephen Sondheim, and the movie
Speaker 1: like treats Stephen Sondheim as this like huge character and
Speaker 1: basically it ends with him getting a note from Stevenson
Speaker 1: Teime that encourages him. And so this obviously, and Jonathan
Speaker 1: Larson would end up writing Rent obviously, and that went on.
Speaker 1: I think believe the story is he died on the
Speaker 1: night of or the night before the first preview of
Speaker 1: Rent off Broadway or whatever, um and it would obviously
Speaker 1: go on to revolutionized modern musical theater. But the fact
Speaker 1: that this movie reveres him so, and that these people
Speaker 1: in musical theater revere himself, and that this movie is
Speaker 1: coming out now, it just does like I feel like
Speaker 1: this very odd, eerie, perfect storm of you have to
Speaker 1: be you know, grateful for both the life that he
Speaker 1: lived in the art that he gave, but also that
Speaker 1: he gets to really be truly celebrated, like by his
Speaker 1: legacy at his work at the time. If you're if
Speaker 1: there's anything to be thankful about, are grateful about when
Speaker 1: someone passes, at least that at least it's like that recognition,
Speaker 1: because I don't think like, as an artist and as
Speaker 1: a creator and as someone who has influenced so many,
Speaker 1: there's anything better than that to know that as we leave,
Speaker 1: there's this love for you, you you know, so just very special,
Speaker 1: very special. I think we can talk about either survivor
Speaker 1: or selling Sunset. I want, I want, I want to
Speaker 1: talk about both. And that's actually that's actually something I
Speaker 1: put my foot down a ut please, that's the last
Speaker 1: culture last culture flavor, because um wait, I just want
Speaker 1: to tell you, did you see that the Grammy nominations
Speaker 1: came out and there was the scandal I have been
Speaker 1: following the Grammys? Okay, So the Grammy nominations came out,
Speaker 1: like and of course, the first episode of this podcast
Speaker 1: is called the Grammys, so we always have to like
Speaker 1: pay respects to our origins here. So the Grammy nominations
Speaker 1: came out and like there was ten nominees in all
Speaker 1: the general categories and it's like mostly Olivia Rodrigo and
Speaker 1: she'll like sweep and then the Taste and yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: so um, basically it came out that there was originally
Speaker 1: only going to be eight nominees for Album of the
Speaker 1: Year and then they decided to add two more at
Speaker 1: the last second, and it was Donna by Kanye West
Speaker 1: and Evermore by Taylor Swift. That's what Okay, Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: I have vaguely picked this up. Yeah, um, I mean whatever, Like,
Speaker 1: who fucking cares. It's so stupid that that it's like
Speaker 1: the Grammys continue to be a complete mess, Like there's
Speaker 1: such a joke. It's so annoying. And then for that
Speaker 1: to leak. It's so disrespectful to them. It makes them
Speaker 1: look so bad as an award's body. It's just such flops.
Speaker 1: And you know, I guess like ultimately all for nothing,
Speaker 1: because you know, Olivia and driver's license is gonna walk
Speaker 1: out with all the awards. I would imagine maybe a
Speaker 1: little nas X wins album, but I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: oh but we do. Let's give a shout out to
Speaker 1: Japanese Brakfast for being a Grammy nominee. Fucking great year
Speaker 1: for her. Came in with the book, came in with
Speaker 1: a new album. It's so good. Um, congrats Michelle's honor.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about her as if she's like a friend
Speaker 1: of the pod. She's not. I just I did one
Speaker 1: book event with her over Zoo in the winter, and
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like we're friends, were not,
Speaker 1: We're not. Well, it's great to derive some positive out
Speaker 1: of their Grammy nomination. I was like, are you kidding here?
Speaker 1: And then when that controversy came out, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh god, they really can't help themselves, Like, just don't
Speaker 1: have it leak. How does that happen? I know, I know. Wait,
Speaker 1: speaking of music, what's your favorite track on thirty we
Speaker 1: didn't talk about my God. I'm sorry we didn't talk
Speaker 1: about dirty last week because we had Wendy on and
Speaker 1: we couldn't distract from the conversation. Um my favorite talk
Speaker 1: off thirty Cryer, Heart Out and Love is a Game.
Speaker 1: I texted you when ye when I first heard Love
Speaker 1: is a Game at this with doing the concert special
Speaker 1: and I was like, this is a gorgeous song, new
Speaker 1: classic classic loved. I mean the vocals on to be Loved,
Speaker 1: that the and it's just like and then I saw
Speaker 1: an interview with her and she's like, I'll never sing it,
Speaker 1: live it. I can't. Who could? And then she pushes
Speaker 1: on her Instagram doing it like ripping it in her Yeah,
Speaker 1: just killed it. I mean she's never sounded better, Like
Speaker 1: the vocals are warm, lubricated, yeah yeah, but deep but
Speaker 1: still deep. Oh we love it. I mean she's like
Speaker 1: giving you like clean melisma, like she's she's just like
Speaker 1: she is like an instrument. She never doesn't hit the
Speaker 1: note like she's really just and you feel it, you
Speaker 1: feel it, you know what I really kind of like
Speaker 1: responding to in my like what I tried to really
Speaker 1: internalize from her Oprah interview was when she was like
Speaker 1: when Ober asks her about like where the always comes
Speaker 1: from or whatever, and she's just like, I feel like
Speaker 1: I like, I like connect with something bigger and a
Speaker 1: lot of artists say this, but like she's like whenever
Speaker 1: she's like whenever I sing, like I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: like really in my body or something. Right, she was
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm kind of like I'm not aware
Speaker 1: of what I'm doing, and like she's connecting with some
Speaker 1: like I don't know, like she's channeling. She's channeling, Yes,
Speaker 1: that's what she said, and so like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like do that more. Does that sound so stupid? No,
Speaker 1: I'm trying. I'm trying to Like I'm trying to do
Speaker 1: that when I'm like writing, when I'm like trying to
Speaker 1: come up with like an idea, I'm like, let me
Speaker 1: just think less, let me just like think up like
Speaker 1: I don't not not that that's the direction of it,
Speaker 1: like like crown chakra, like let me just like connect
Speaker 1: with the bigger thing. And I don't know, I'm like
Speaker 1: she easily like getting into that. No, I mean a
Speaker 1: d percent. I'm like it's whatever. People can drag me
Speaker 1: for this if they want. But even today, like Henry
Speaker 1: and I were on the songs, and I think I
Speaker 1: had a more difficult time with the first like three
Speaker 1: or four, just because I was getting back into it.
Speaker 1: Also it's Christmas is and that's the first song. So
Speaker 1: that's that's that one, and then it goes right into
Speaker 1: the second song, which is vocally difficult, and then ballad
Speaker 1: start and so there's But there's a song that I
Speaker 1: do six in my show, which is my favorite thing
Speaker 1: I've ever written, as the fame thing I've ever done.
Speaker 1: It's called Every Christmas Eve. It's my Mrs Claus song,
Speaker 1: and it's actually one of the more vocally tough ones.
Speaker 1: But I said to Henry after we did it, because
Speaker 1: I felt really good about the way I went today,
Speaker 1: and he I could tell he did too, And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know what's easy about that one is
Speaker 1: because you really just try to tell the story to
Speaker 1: feel it and like honestly do do little lyrical analysis
Speaker 1: in it, like even if that was my own writing,
Speaker 1: just like to try to like think less about like
Speaker 1: whether or not your voice feels good, or whether or
Speaker 1: not you're being funny, or whether or not whatever, and
Speaker 1: it's just actually a lot more simple. It's about just
Speaker 1: like like just getting the work across, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, just just because it is actually all about
Speaker 1: telling stories like when you're a comedian, when you're a
Speaker 1: performer or whatever, like just focusing on the articulation of
Speaker 1: it and less about the bullshit that is, like you know,
Speaker 1: whether the notes are right, or whether like or whether
Speaker 1: or whether I'm on my mark or whatever. This thing,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, that's annoying, but like it's it's like
Speaker 1: fru fru or whatever, but it actually does help you
Speaker 1: free up and discover things as a performer. I love
Speaker 1: that you're incorporating this in your own work as you
Speaker 1: lead up to your shows. I also just want to
Speaker 1: say this reminded me of the way that Taylor Swift
Speaker 1: has talked about songwriting. Do you know this where She's like,
Speaker 1: the best way I can describe songwriting is there's like
Speaker 1: a magical cloud in front of you, and you're supposed
Speaker 1: to catch it before it goes away, Like like you're
Speaker 1: supposed to capture this thing. You're supposed to capture this
Speaker 1: like magical thing that you can't touch, you can't grap,
Speaker 1: you gotta like get it down on like paper or
Speaker 1: something like before before it leaves you. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that is kind of maybe the same fur fuit thing
Speaker 1: where it's like you're supposed to like commune with this
Speaker 1: thing that comes to you that passes by and you
Speaker 1: have to have to like get it down before it
Speaker 1: leaves you. I don't I don't know about you, but almost,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling twenty two almost And you know that she
Speaker 1: wrote that in a state of channeling. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: it's rural culture number thirty nine. When um, but it's
Speaker 1: so rare that when I labor over something or work
Speaker 1: on something really hard that it ends up being really good. Meanwhile,
Speaker 1: it's like when I chipped something out or like something
Speaker 1: just it is so much well, I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: just like when I think about the things I'm really
Speaker 1: proud of the things that I'm like still performing now,
Speaker 1: it's usually stuff that came very leads me. Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: I know. Oh I love that, And that's such a
Speaker 1: good feeling. It's such a good feeling when it just
Speaker 1: kind of flows out and for some people like it
Speaker 1: just happens. I feel like you are one of those
Speaker 1: people where it just really does it flows out of you.
Speaker 1: When it happens. It happens when, But I'm saying it's
Speaker 1: not about when it happens or when it doesn't. I'm
Speaker 1: saying it happens often for you. And that is what's
Speaker 1: beautiful for me. Like it's I don't know, there's there
Speaker 1: this figot is fucked because I'm like, that's it's a
Speaker 1: slow drip. You have to create all the time though
Speaker 1: that I think that's that's the difference, Just like this
Speaker 1: is this is what I've never gotten about us and
Speaker 1: now and I'll just be totally transparent about of this.
Speaker 1: You guys, basically to create the thing, it's so hard,
Speaker 1: like it's one day, I know, And that to me
Speaker 1: is like I get, I get that it's like a
Speaker 1: scheduling thing, and I get that that's just the way
Speaker 1: it works. But I just always thought about, like what
Speaker 1: if somebody has a brilliant idea and of course, like
Speaker 1: things happen in the news and that it gets channeled
Speaker 1: through to the cold open and stuff, and that's not
Speaker 1: not a part of the show. But so like creativity
Speaker 1: is so not necessarily like that, and you'd have to
Speaker 1: be such a specific type of person to be able
Speaker 1: to just be like, Okay, sitting down to do this
Speaker 1: during a lot of time, and this is what I'm
Speaker 1: going to get it right, you know, which I know
Speaker 1: is not as basic as it is. But no, no, no, no, um.
Speaker 1: The thing that happens most often, and I think maybe
Speaker 1: the saddest thing that happens, is you have a great
Speaker 1: idea but then and this is what you're saying, basically,
Speaker 1: but like you burn it that week because you just
Speaker 1: didn't execute you didn't get the right time to like
Speaker 1: execute it the right way. And so then like you
Speaker 1: do it in front of all your co workers on
Speaker 1: Wednesday and then fucking bombs and then instinct on it,
Speaker 1: and then more likely than not, you're never gonna like
Speaker 1: use that idea again when it might have been a
Speaker 1: perfectly great idea because I this is my example. Nudie
Speaker 1: and I wrote a sketch last season where it was
Speaker 1: all about it was me and John Maliney playing a
Speaker 1: couple and our thing was that we kept swallowing in
Speaker 1: the middle of sentences like it just it just and
Speaker 1: then like which like, I like, I'm really hung up
Speaker 1: about this because like it could have been, it could
Speaker 1: have been something great and we just didn't get it
Speaker 1: the first time, and now like I can never do it.
Speaker 1: I kind of feel like I can't bring it up again.
Speaker 1: It would be iconic if you did that. Every table read,
Speaker 1: like just every table read tried to make the swallowing
Speaker 1: in the middle of sentences thing happened, like would actually
Speaker 1: be oh, because it's the dumbest day. It's like half
Speaker 1: an idea. But it didn't. It happen with Vanessa though, Like,
Speaker 1: isn't it a thing? Like, Oh, how do it happen?
Speaker 1: Everyone has one of these stories, like, everyone has one
Speaker 1: of these. Everyone has their like white Whale or you know,
Speaker 1: or that you keep trying to get in or not
Speaker 1: that you keep trying to that you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: like you can't you know capture, I don't know, you
Speaker 1: can't like find it. And so that's mine for now.
Speaker 1: Um My other one is I want to see that
Speaker 1: Julie and I have written several sequels at this point
Speaker 1: to Sarah Lee, and none of them have gotten picked.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that that's true. It's crazy to me.
Speaker 1: Do you want to do you want to know something? Yes,
Speaker 1: I won't reveal to who, but I had to run
Speaker 1: it by one of the producers when Shalami was hosting.
Speaker 1: I was like who I was, like Julie and I
Speaker 1: wrote a follow up to Sarah Lee for Timothy. It's
Speaker 1: called Chef Boy r D. It's really we think it's
Speaker 1: really funny. Um. And then this producer says, you know,
Speaker 1: I think we've done it too many times, and I
Speaker 1: was like, We've only done it once. And I think
Speaker 1: what he meant was I brought it to table too
Speaker 1: many times, which is another thing. I'm like, oh well, now,
Speaker 1: like I ruined this, like what one of my proudest
Speaker 1: like pieces of writing. Sarah Lee like, I hate that,
Speaker 1: like it's it's there's no like after, there's no like
Speaker 1: second life for it. You know what? Though sometimes whatever
Speaker 1: I'm not dragging anything about, Like sometimes I'm really happy
Speaker 1: to see things come back, and I would be thrilled
Speaker 1: to see that come back maybe one or two more times.
Speaker 1: There have been some sketches where it's like, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say it, Gilly. I think it was
Speaker 1: done twelve times, because that's why it's so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it listed for of course, of course, like
Speaker 1: by the third one, everyone's like truly, no one's laughing
Speaker 1: at it in eight h but like, I think there's
Speaker 1: there's a meta humor layer here that I think Kristen
Speaker 1: would cop to, where yeah in again like Gilly's in again,
Speaker 1: Like that's part of why it's funny, because it's like
Speaker 1: the one joke never it's like that with one up
Speaker 1: with that too? What up with that? At one time?
Speaker 1: Was was SNL, like was Saturdaynight Live? Like what up
Speaker 1: with that? Happen? And you know what I never got
Speaker 1: tired of. I mean, we'll just deep house dish Deep Dish, no,
Speaker 1: because at least the songs were different or whatever, But
Speaker 1: I never they need to bring deep passage back because
Speaker 1: let's not pretend that Keenan isn't still there, like we
Speaker 1: need can you pitch Deep Past Dish? Well, James Anderson
Speaker 1: doesn't work there anymore, Mama towards passed towards. I know. No,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna text him. I'm gonna text him, Please gives
Speaker 1: the blessing to do Deep Past Dish again because the
Speaker 1: new kids need Deep Past Dish. It would hit now
Speaker 1: more than ever. Really, you should text James. In fact, everybody,
Speaker 1: the readers. One day when I host when when Matt
Speaker 1: hosts will do it. But I think the readers should
Speaker 1: try to try to communicate. I'm not saying bombard James
Speaker 1: with DMS. Actually now I take it back, but I
Speaker 1: think James needs to be like, quote unquote pulled out
Speaker 1: of retirement for one last deep house dish. When you
Speaker 1: all agree, I do. I mean, you know what I said.
Speaker 1: I do know, I'm just I do. That was iconic.
Speaker 1: That's actually wow. See that's what I'm saying. The flow
Speaker 1: state baby, Well you know what I'm jealous of. I'm
Speaker 1: actually really jealous because, um, you know, obviously it's well
Speaker 1: today we're recording on Cyber Monday, and Ira posted like
Speaker 1: his keep it merch, and I was like, why don't
Speaker 1: we do Last Culture Merge? Like I want Lost Culture merge,
Speaker 1: Like there's so much good merch we could do. We've
Speaker 1: we we had a merch period. There's still some items
Speaker 1: that you can buy off of Tea public We are
Speaker 1: looking for a new platform. Let's just we're looking for
Speaker 1: a new vendor. Readers formerly publicist. Would you buy Last
Speaker 1: Culture Merch? I mean we know the answer is yes,
Speaker 1: I would love. Everyone's very enthusiastic and that's I was
Speaker 1: thinking the other day. I was like, God, I'm so lucky, grateful,
Speaker 1: thankful for I'm Actually I'm absolutely emotional most of the
Speaker 1: time when I think, oh my god, the readers are
Speaker 1: the most special people. The readers have given me everything.
Speaker 1: Do you think i'd be selling out these shows? There's
Speaker 1: no way. I know they're all readers. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: them like I'm trying to be careful about not making
Speaker 1: them sound like fucking like pop star stands. That's no.
Speaker 1: They know who they are. First of all, we just
Speaker 1: fired them, so I have to be nice to them.
Speaker 1: We have to be nice to them. They've all fed,
Speaker 1: they lost their jobs. Now, okay, so before we start
Speaker 1: crying because of the readers, we have talked about selling
Speaker 1: Sunset and then we have this is a long episode,
Speaker 1: and that's fine selling Sunset. I haven't evenished. I will say,
Speaker 1: what are your basic general reactions? Because I have a few,
Speaker 1: you know, Okay, this is I at a state of
Speaker 1: half sleep, have this realization. It's not a realization, but
Speaker 1: like I think everyone knows at this point that it's
Speaker 1: like the most mindless show that's ever been made. But
Speaker 1: I really do think like there's something pretty amazing about
Speaker 1: like Adam de Velo between like the Hills and Selling Sunset,
Speaker 1: Like it feels like they're speaking a different language. Does
Speaker 1: that make sense? Like they're they're they're they're talking, they're
Speaker 1: using a different vocabulary. I think I think they must all.
Speaker 1: I think when you're on the show, the producers hand
Speaker 1: you a sheet of paper and on that paper it
Speaker 1: says one hundred words total, and they tell the producers say,
Speaker 1: you can only whatever comes out of your mouth has
Speaker 1: to be from this list of one hundred words. You
Speaker 1: cannot say anything besides these words. That actually is a
Speaker 1: and that is my realization with And I love that
Speaker 1: one of those words is escrow. You know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Escrow conceded, Like when Emma said, like when Emma, Emma
Speaker 1: just celebrated in her chair and by lifting up her
Speaker 1: waif thin arms and she goes, well I'm in escrow,
Speaker 1: and they were like escrow and they were just screaming
Speaker 1: the word escrow. And I was like, wow, I'm obsessed
Speaker 1: with each and every one of these young women. Young women. Um.
Speaker 1: I think I think Vanessa and Emma are great additions.
Speaker 1: As Emma. I can't tell if I'm on her side
Speaker 1: or not. She's the smallest face in the world. She
Speaker 1: has the smallest, the tiniest chin. I was just gonna
Speaker 1: say she has a tiny little head. She's like in
Speaker 1: the best way. She's like that alien and men in
Speaker 1: black with the tiny head, but a gorgeous version of
Speaker 1: gorgeous version who runs a vegan food company, which we
Speaker 1: stand weighs seventy six pounds. I do love that she
Speaker 1: like runs like a vegan company, and yet she still
Speaker 1: takes private jets. It's like, okay, well think that they
Speaker 1: cancel that beautifully. I love that she should marry Leonardo DiCaprio.
Speaker 1: They're all made for each other. They love her. Vanessa
Speaker 1: is iconic. Loved her sob story in the beginning that
Speaker 1: her sister god and then she became a real estate
Speaker 1: agent because of her, and now she's sort of like
Speaker 1: little Christine. She's a villain at least in at least
Speaker 1: in the part that we're on. Okay, should we play
Speaker 1: this game now that now that we have it? Because
Speaker 1: you and I checked in earlier in the week when
Speaker 1: Selling Sunset Season four was about to drop, and you
Speaker 1: were like are you You were like you said I
Speaker 1: was a Cruschelle, which I took offense to. Now, I
Speaker 1: didn't say you were Cristelle. I said I was. I
Speaker 1: said that you were married. I'm I also, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: I took offense to you calling me Mary. And here's
Speaker 1: what I'll say. The more I watched it, I was like,
Speaker 1: he is not married, because let me tell you who's
Speaker 1: lost it Mary. If you watch this, if you watch
Speaker 1: season one to season four, it is a case study
Speaker 1: in in reality television breaking someone Mary is Mary is
Speaker 1: going crazy being on this show. And the first season
Speaker 1: she she was kind of the most likable person. She
Speaker 1: was the most grounded, and you can that's the one.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry, I yeah, just like just someone
Speaker 1: that like the audience surrogate, like, oh, like this is
Speaker 1: the person who like is most like me sitting at home.
Speaker 1: Her breakdown at the dog party was truly iconic. I mean,
Speaker 1: the dog's birthday party and she goes, you know, Jason,
Speaker 1: we spent a lot of money on this. This is
Speaker 1: our friends and our dogs, and it's our dog's birthday.
Speaker 1: And she came in and she's gonna start drama at
Speaker 1: the dog's birthday. And I was just like, this is
Speaker 1: absolutely unhinged, all because Christine came to the dogs. Every
Speaker 1: time Christine enters a room, I laugh and applaud. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm on episode six and at least five different times
Speaker 1: this has happened. Christine and may are together, Maya goes wow,
Speaker 1: like I believe you just had a babe had a
Speaker 1: baby that a week. I can't have the baby like
Speaker 1: that four different times, like like like go back and
Speaker 1: like watch it, like like so many repetitive I'm telling you.
Speaker 1: They were given a list of words and they could
Speaker 1: only say things from this list. The least thing is
Speaker 1: doing great impressions her Instagram, Maya is iconic. Christie her
Speaker 1: tweeted out the other day where she was like, Maya
Speaker 1: is the best character because she's she gets to sit
Speaker 1: there and just comments on all the drama and have
Speaker 1: nothing go on in her life and just basically say
Speaker 1: wow and it it is so funny. Also, this is
Speaker 1: gonna sound crazy, but let me know if you agree. Okay,
Speaker 1: when Davina came back, I actually was obsessed. I missed Davina.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's clearly like an integral part of the show.
Speaker 1: I just think she's so funny. She's just so fun
Speaker 1: me in like the most unintentional ways, Like she just
Speaker 1: what a fucking what a buffoon? I love her, I
Speaker 1: love like what she brings to the show. I just think, like,
Speaker 1: you can't take her seriously. You can't take most of
Speaker 1: these people seriously, including bretton Jason. Oh please, I did
Speaker 1: not know that Jason and Krishell were full on dating.
Speaker 1: Now what you didn't know this? Okay, So this rocked
Speaker 1: my world. So season five is basically going to be
Speaker 1: about how Crishell and Jason Oppenheim are now like in
Speaker 1: a serious romantic relationship. And that'll be like the second
Speaker 1: or third one he's dated in the office, because obviously
Speaker 1: he was with Mary. They owned that dog together, that
Speaker 1: the birthday party. Every time I say these words, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can't believe it. I just watched the episode where
Speaker 1: Krishell and Simulo are like about to fuck, which he
Speaker 1: did look really hot. Oh yeah, of course he's a
Speaker 1: very attractive person. I just like, so, I don't know
Speaker 1: what they keep cutting to Jason. Now watch watch they
Speaker 1: keep cutting to Jason, who like notices that you're right,
Speaker 1: they do keep cutting to Jason. That's so funny. So
Speaker 1: they're building it into the narrative because eventually they get together.
Speaker 1: Christl Stouse every time she walks she she opens double
Speaker 1: doors and walks out to a balcony and smiles at
Speaker 1: the sun. I'm like, you are the protagonists, aren't you?
Speaker 1: Snow white? Rachel Zegler move over. I actually I couldn't
Speaker 1: stand Rachelle before this season. I'm like, okay, cool, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of with you. I like that she's standing
Speaker 1: up for herself. When they were like, okay, guys, group meetings,
Speaker 1: she'll be hired back to Vina, she was like, no,
Speaker 1: I don't think so. She was really rude to me,
Speaker 1: and I don't fucking like it. And she said when
Speaker 1: she said like I don't, I don't fuck I fucking
Speaker 1: think so. I fucking don't agree. I was like, come on,
Speaker 1: christ I actually love that. And actually, what a what
Speaker 1: a perfect play on her part to be like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've been a little too guileless on this show. Let
Speaker 1: me actually like grow a spine. And like when Davina
Speaker 1: apologizes to her, oh I didn't see that yet. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. Becau said she didn't want their apology right.
Speaker 1: It's a great moment for Chrish like she handles it perfectly.
Speaker 1: I'm really proud of her. I'm really excited. Anyway, It's
Speaker 1: the dumbest show ever made, but we love it. Christine
Speaker 1: is television, of course. But she was on the cover
Speaker 1: of some magazine I forget which, but they called her
Speaker 1: reality TVs Queen of Camp. Let's cut it out. Let's
Speaker 1: stop throwing that word around again. It feels like it's
Speaker 1: twenty nine mac Gala all over again. She's not a camp.
Speaker 1: She's not camp. Let's like, like, I don't know, does
Speaker 1: poor Susan sant have to like come back from the
Speaker 1: dead to like happing to you guys what this is.
Speaker 1: Poor Susan Sons might have to come back from the
Speaker 1: dead and genuinely school of the Girls because Christine is
Speaker 1: not a camp. Christine is and it's it's like, I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's it's not because it's not bad like
Speaker 1: Christine is. It's just like poor taste, like she's obviously
Speaker 1: like she has like good taste and things. She looks
Speaker 1: like a cartoon, like a fantasy of femininity. I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: really hard is the chair person is the little chair
Speaker 1: pers campum No? Because like, okay, my cliffs notes distillation
Speaker 1: of the definition. I'm getting this around. People will take
Speaker 1: issue with this, I'm sure, but it's like it's it's
Speaker 1: I'm celebrating bad taste. It's like celebrating bad taste as
Speaker 1: if it was something in good taste. Essentially, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: the chairpersonal chairperson, it's not it's it's catch. It's not camp.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh was in this ironic Like camp is
Speaker 1: not supposed to know its own irony. That's why like
Speaker 1: Mommy Dearist is camp because like everyone on that movie
Speaker 1: thought they were making the best biopic of all time,
Speaker 1: which is also MyH House of Gucci is not camp exactly,
Speaker 1: and so that's what it is. Like, it's like it's
Speaker 1: something that's in bad taste either being perceived as something
Speaker 1: in good like it's something like that takes itself seriously. Basically.
Speaker 1: That's another like bastardization of the definition. That's definitely morphed
Speaker 1: over time. And I think a lot of people have
Speaker 1: different definitions. But if you're using that definition, then you
Speaker 1: cannot call Christine and Quinn camp because I feel that
Speaker 1: she actually is in one control of what she's doing
Speaker 1: and when she comes in and sits down with Emma
Speaker 1: and she goes, I just really wanted to talk, and
Speaker 1: he proposed to me. He did. He proposed to me, actually,
Speaker 1: And like she's funking with these girls, and like when
Speaker 1: Mary has a meltdown and Christine's like, why is she upset?
Speaker 1: Like she knows exactly why she's upset when she comes
Speaker 1: in with her you know, twenty nine inch hair, Like
Speaker 1: she is in complete control. And I actually believe that
Speaker 1: she's a cool person. I'm sure she's like, oh, I
Speaker 1: think she is like the most aspirational person on the show,
Speaker 1: despite being like so out of touch and her wealth
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like you want to be you want
Speaker 1: to be like her in a way, right, like you.
Speaker 1: I don't want to be like Krishell or Mary or
Speaker 1: anybody else. Yeah, I don't want to certainly want to
Speaker 1: be spinning my wheels that hard. Also, some of the
Speaker 1: other girls are falling off from me, like I heard.
Speaker 1: I know, Heather gets up, gets b v or in
Speaker 1: the narrative as it goes, but I'm losing Heather a
Speaker 1: little bit. Heather has a big moment at the end
Speaker 1: of the season, like the finale is like her and
Speaker 1: Terek Okay, need that. Um, but and so does she.
Speaker 1: But um, like I love Heather by the way, Oh,
Speaker 1: I feel I identified with other playmate legend love she
Speaker 1: was a playmate. Yeah, were you to say? I was
Speaker 1: just just gonna say, like, um, you know, Christine Quinn
Speaker 1: is just completely in control of what she's doing. And
Speaker 1: I believe that she's cool. And I believe that if
Speaker 1: these other girls actually don't like her, they're not playing
Speaker 1: the game as well as her. And here's what I'll say.
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for Selling Tampa. Oh right, yeah, that'll
Speaker 1: be fun. Oh I got the cast. The cast looks
Speaker 1: very cool. I mean it's gonna be very cool. And
Speaker 1: also like people are like l O L Tampa, but
Speaker 1: like you have to remember, like I mean that is
Speaker 1: that is also a competitive real estate market, like like
Speaker 1: you know, you might turn your nose up because like
Speaker 1: you think of certain things, but like this actually is
Speaker 1: gonna be very cool. Basically for everyone that doesn't know,
Speaker 1: there's a Selling Sunset spinoff called Selling Tampa, which is
Speaker 1: all black women in Tampa. They they're at the same
Speaker 1: real estate firm. And I actually watched a um it
Speaker 1: is is it is it opentime? It's not, but but
Speaker 1: it's like it's like speaking to and they do the
Speaker 1: same thing, but it's a a totally different vibe. And
Speaker 1: I'm really excited for it. I think it comes out
Speaker 1: in December, mid December. Can't wait, very excited for that.
Speaker 1: Wait before we before we go to I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: we have to s Oh my god. I mean I
Speaker 1: told you this was crazy amazing top to bottom, like
Speaker 1: so well edited. I want to say, like just I mean,
Speaker 1: the threads all sort of are so tied together in
Speaker 1: the end in the best way, tied up, tied together whatever,
Speaker 1: and like I told you over text today, like I
Speaker 1: think it's like two episode I caught up on the
Speaker 1: plane home from Thanksgiving, like the last three episodes, I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is when I realized this is a great season.
Speaker 1: And don't I don't know my Survivor seasons too well,
Speaker 1: but I feel like this is one of my more
Speaker 1: favorite ones. This is an amazing season. And I think
Speaker 1: that this episode that just happened last week and there's
Speaker 1: obviously a new one tonight. It was the episode where
Speaker 1: spoiler alert, spoiler spoiler spoiler fashion, yeah Shan gets eliminated. Yeah,
Speaker 1: um and she basically was like the main character I believe,
Speaker 1: along with Ricard two in the season, and really it
Speaker 1: came down to Ricard deciding to get Shan out even
Speaker 1: though um they have been each other's number one's like,
Speaker 1: there's this narrative in the beginning of the episode that actually,
Speaker 1: it can't really be the two of them at the
Speaker 1: top two because they're both too good. So there is
Speaker 1: this interesting chess game being played between them that unfortunately
Speaker 1: Shan stops playing and Ricard never stops playing. And the
Speaker 1: moment the whole season changed was Ricard saying, I thing,
Speaker 1: today is the day that I send like that, we
Speaker 1: send Shan home, like he decided, like he had to
Speaker 1: decide that. And I want to give credit to Erica
Speaker 1: for figuring out the plan. Erica is aleep, but it was,
Speaker 1: but Erica is the mastermind behind me. It's it's Ricardo,
Speaker 1: it's Ricard's idea. But Erica is the one who's like,
Speaker 1: here's how we're gonna do with three three Shand votes,
Speaker 1: three Leono votes, then it goes to a tiebreaker and uh,
Speaker 1: if Shann plays her idol, then it's Leona who goes home.
Speaker 1: If she doesn't, then Shannon goes home like that is
Speaker 1: like that was all Erica. She's a great player. I
Speaker 1: think that she we have not given her enough credit.
Speaker 1: I think she might be going home soon because I
Speaker 1: think she has a huge target on her back. But
Speaker 1: people are on her, and then I think they are
Speaker 1: gonna be onto Ricard. Now this is the thing. There's
Speaker 1: there's a there's a vacuum of power in a way,
Speaker 1: like like the tribe is sort of as splintered as
Speaker 1: as it's ever been now without Shan, without the person
Speaker 1: who is like arranging the things. Now you have like
Speaker 1: the any and Deshaun alliance being the only like real
Speaker 1: like two hander though, what's that's left? Right? And I
Speaker 1: think that something that is going to hurt them is
Speaker 1: the fact that Leona is now off board, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Like so I think she she could
Speaker 1: she she either could make something happen or she'll be next.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wonder how much further Heather could go,
Speaker 1: just because narratively she hasn't been on the show that much.
Speaker 1: I'm wondering what that means for her. Um. I wonder
Speaker 1: if she'll figure into the narrative starting now. I just
Speaker 1: know that's not really how these television seasons are built.
Speaker 1: I feel it's regards to lose or Zanders to lose,
Speaker 1: and I find myself rooting for DeShawn because of the way, well,
Speaker 1: the way the narrative is pulling out. Like I will say,
Speaker 1: I actually shed tears many different times of this episode.
Speaker 1: I was crying at the end. I was crying when
Speaker 1: Deshan got emotional during his confessional about it being such
Speaker 1: a hard year for black people and that they wanted
Speaker 1: to do a quote un it for the culture and
Speaker 1: the four of them it's together to the end. I
Speaker 1: was trying if the sacrifices were made when they realized
Speaker 1: that was probably not possible. I was crying when Leanna
Speaker 1: said that meant more to her than the game because
Speaker 1: they connected over their hood and their blackness. On the hill,
Speaker 1: I was like, this is classic Survivor because it's amazing gameplay,
Speaker 1: but you care about the characters and it's emotional storytelling,
Speaker 1: but it's also really good gameplay. And I think ultimately
Speaker 1: what's happening is these it's at the point in the
Speaker 1: season where the contestants are getting played by their own
Speaker 1: emotions and a lot the ones that are forgetting to
Speaker 1: keep playing and the ones that are making emotional concessions
Speaker 1: are losing. And that I think made an emotional concession.
Speaker 1: I think that if she were smart, she could have
Speaker 1: gotten out of that. I mean, anytime you go home
Speaker 1: with an idol in your pocket, you're not thinking. She
Speaker 1: said in her like her last confession, when she after
Speaker 1: she got voted out, she was like, I had an idol. Yep,
Speaker 1: like she was. You could tell she was the worst
Speaker 1: crushed by that. Oh my god, because it's so hard
Speaker 1: to get one, and then you leave with an idol.
Speaker 1: But the thing too is just like the way it's going.
Speaker 1: And this is where I get a little will woo again.
Speaker 1: But this is season forty one, and I do think
Speaker 1: like that. I think it's a reset. But so season
Speaker 1: forty was Winners at War. If you call all the
Speaker 1: way back to season one, we had a queer man
Speaker 1: named Richard and where when the first and now we
Speaker 1: are going to have a queer man named Ricard when
Speaker 1: because Ricard Regard is the quarification of the name Richard,
Speaker 1: and Richard has an extra letter H and H in
Speaker 1: lowercase is upside down four and four if you take
Speaker 1: away four from forty one is one Swift numerology of
Speaker 1: it all is you're very Taylor Taylor, very tailor sorry
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift energy. This is very Taylor Swift and I
Speaker 1: just feel like executive producer this season. She will reveal herself.
Speaker 1: She will reveal her She will reveal to us that
Speaker 1: her alias in television is Mark Burnett. That which that which,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's the type of thing that makes
Speaker 1: me say that which. Oh my god, she's such a
Speaker 1: I had not thought about that, So you said that,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Taylors to blame for Trump. Taylor Taylor,
Speaker 1: Taylor has the piss tapes. She has the piss tapes.
Speaker 1: I will say, she has the N word tape. That's
Speaker 1: what she has. She has all. He has all the tapes, Taylor.
Speaker 1: And if she doesn't have it, her dad has it. Okay,
Speaker 1: I know her dad. I know Mr Swift has the
Speaker 1: tapes has Let's god, he's also very good active. I
Speaker 1: want to sort of I want to touch his body
Speaker 1: and so it feels like, oh, that's really good. He
Speaker 1: was able to stand on that narrow beam and hold
Speaker 1: that ball up in that saucer Challenge Challenge Beautiful Eyes
Speaker 1: that's another thing I'll miss about Shannons. I loved watching her.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. A lot of hot, truly
Speaker 1: hot people this season. Shanon telegenic, telegenic, Danny Rickard, Xander hotties,
Speaker 1: hottie season absolutely, I mean everyone's very telegenic in the
Speaker 1: way where I'm like, pop off. Also, I have to
Speaker 1: tell you, and I have to tell all the readers.
Speaker 1: I know, like whatever Australian Survivor season four. People have
Speaker 1: been in my dams being like, you have to have
Speaker 1: to have really you have to watch Australian season four.
Speaker 1: It's a sit, it's cuckoo bananas long, but it is
Speaker 1: so gratifying. I'm talking, you get in my damns about it, readers.
Speaker 1: I'm ready to engage about Australia. So, however, season four,
Speaker 1: not five. Season four, Season four, Um, there's one more
Speaker 1: thing I wanted to say about Survive before we move on.
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey, but it is. It's not
Speaker 1: coming to me. I think, oh okay, because I think
Speaker 1: we got the preview for the new st episode for
Speaker 1: the one the week of the twenty nine of November,
Speaker 1: where there's another twist that gets introduced. But I was like,
Speaker 1: I think the reason why it's been great the last
Speaker 1: few episodes because they have they introduced all the twists
Speaker 1: early on, and then they just let the rest of
Speaker 1: the season play out the way it is supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I guess, but I don't need many more twists, but
Speaker 1: I think I think we are going to get more
Speaker 1: because Jeff had that advantage like on the bench that
Speaker 1: no one found, and then like there's gonna be another
Speaker 1: like thing that he throws in, and I'm kind of
Speaker 1: nervous about with that. It's gonna be. My thing with
Speaker 1: the twist is like I always feel like with Survivor,
Speaker 1: you have to play every twist as if it's terrain.
Speaker 1: Like I feel like in Survivor, you know there's gonna
Speaker 1: be twists, and if the show throws into twist like
Speaker 1: that's just terrain, you have to play like. I don't
Speaker 1: ever think like, oh, they shouldn't have done that. A
Speaker 1: couple of times I've liked them less than other times.
Speaker 1: Every twist, every idol, every advantage, every setback, every tribe switch,
Speaker 1: like you have to play that like it's terrain. You
Speaker 1: know you're entering into a game where these types of
Speaker 1: things happen. So you can't be like, oh, well fuck that,
Speaker 1: blah blah blah and like kick your kick your toes
Speaker 1: in the sand. Once they happen, like you have to
Speaker 1: play them as terrain. And if you are the type
Speaker 1: of person that's going to win or destined to win,
Speaker 1: you'll win no matter what the situation is. Go off off.
Speaker 1: You've been going off all episode. And I have to say,
Speaker 1: I really really am in awe, mama. This is when
Speaker 1: we do culture catch up because sometimes we have to
Speaker 1: get together and get into it. Can I just say
Speaker 1: you can always say I think the dynamic for almost
Speaker 1: all the culture catchups. And I don't say this as
Speaker 1: a way of like putting myself down truly. I think
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm learning from you. I learned, so I'm
Speaker 1: in classes in session, I'm learning hold on, And I
Speaker 1: can I just say I think some people have been
Speaker 1: like reaching out to be like you sound like you're
Speaker 1: really putting yourself down and you're not. You're questioning what
Speaker 1: you say before it comes out of your mouth on
Speaker 1: the podcasts, and I just want to say, but I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: this is just like the way my brain works. But
Speaker 1: you've always been like that what putting myself down? And
Speaker 1: I'm not putting yourself down. You always check in with
Speaker 1: yourself before you say things like it's it's a part
Speaker 1: of your process. It's always you always say something beautiful. No,
Speaker 1: I believe me, my sense of self my self worth
Speaker 1: is like at an all time high. That's not what
Speaker 1: this is. I had some blow moments over the summer,
Speaker 1: as it is documented on this podcast, But overall, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm in a great place, a lot of a lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of good things going on that makes
Speaker 1: me feel very fulfilled and I'm lucky. And it's not
Speaker 1: whenever I like I'm kind of fortunatewardly, yeah, whenever, I'm
Speaker 1: like figuring it out as I don't think I'm that
Speaker 1: well spoken of a person as people would like to
Speaker 1: think I am. And so I'm just I'm figuring out
Speaker 1: what I'm saying as I say it, which I think
Speaker 1: is okay, everybody calmed down. You have a verbal process,
Speaker 1: which is you, and I mean I'd rather be sometimes
Speaker 1: I'd rather be like you than me, who is like,
Speaker 1: let me come in strong and say this thing, and
Speaker 1: then I end up saying symposium instead of compendium. You
Speaker 1: know what, I mean that that I end up calling
Speaker 1: it a Shipparelli dress and not a Scaparelli dress. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It just happens. It's fine, everybody.
Speaker 1: This is I think this is coming from the same
Speaker 1: place as when we tell you we don't know anything.
Speaker 1: We don't know how to say words, and we don't
Speaker 1: know my words. I don't know my heart, but do
Speaker 1: you know my heart? And I can I say I'm
Speaker 1: moving closer to that truth every day. I don't know
Speaker 1: my words, but I do know my heart. I don't
Speaker 1: know to hear you say that roll reversal literally, sister, Like,
Speaker 1: can I say something period? Period one hundred? I'm sorry
Speaker 1: period period. Do you believe that it's time or I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. I do believe that it's time
Speaker 1: for I don't think so. Well. We really got through
Speaker 1: so much, coach. I know. I think this is one
Speaker 1: of our best culture catch ups. Can I just say,
Speaker 1: and here's the deal. People are going to think that
Speaker 1: I forgot something, but it's part of I don't think so, honey. Okay,
Speaker 1: I can't think of anything you might have forgotten. Do
Speaker 1: you have your phone this time? Yes? Okay, because I've
Speaker 1: been self timing the last couple of weeks and it's
Speaker 1: felt wrong and I apologize about and it will never
Speaker 1: happen again. I left my phone. Okay, this are you ready? Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm happy he pressed against his little bit. It's okay,
Speaker 1: you didn't do anything. Well, I'm sorry that it literally
Speaker 1: I did. It's okay, fine, drink some tea after this. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey, that the way
Speaker 1: The Morning Show season two ended is Jennifer Addiston turned
Speaker 1: into Joe Rogan. Unfortunately, the way that this is the
Speaker 1: second season of The Morning Show ends as we watched
Speaker 1: Jennifer Addiston cough, sputter, cry, and sweat for roughly five
Speaker 1: minutes before she basically gets better by becoming Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: on a streaming service. This is what happens in the show.
Speaker 1: I have watched this season all along. And here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe I do think so, honey, because I don't know
Speaker 1: what the heightened could have been beyond that to see
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston tell her streaming viewers that despite the fact
Speaker 1: that she is problematic to the m degree, they can
Speaker 1: either get on the Alex Leevy train or get the
Speaker 1: funk off and basically pop off Joe Rogan status. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I don't think so, honey, the
Speaker 1: third great Emmy's for all the third greatest. I have
Speaker 1: to say. They went off The Morning Show season two,
Speaker 1: and that's one minute chin to say. I think I
Speaker 1: know the reason why when you texted me that that
Speaker 1: Jennifer Aniston's character of the Alex Levy becomes Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: at the end the season to finale, I did not
Speaker 1: like that. It didn't hit me the same way as
Speaker 1: when you would describe to me a true third grader plot,
Speaker 1: because this doesn't feel third grade. You know what it was?
Speaker 1: The third graders don't know who Joe Rogan is. The
Speaker 1: third grader here they do. That's how famous Joe Rogan is.
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan is so huge and podcast and this is
Speaker 1: where we th grader listens to the Spotify originals. Every
Speaker 1: third grader has a Spotify account and they can listen
Speaker 1: to Joe Rogan's podcast on Spotify. Sorry, we were gonna say,
Speaker 1: you forget about the vast medium that is podcasting. You
Speaker 1: don't know the power that we hold having this podcast.
Speaker 1: Joe Rogan has the power of about one million lost culturist. Okay,
Speaker 1: he last culturist. Joe Rogan harnesses the power of one
Speaker 1: million lost culturist. I to basically be able to control
Speaker 1: the minds of even the third graders who turned America's
Speaker 1: Sweetheart Jennifer Aniston into Joe Rogan because this show is
Speaker 1: so obsessed with cancel culture, and I have to confirm that.
Speaker 1: In the post credits, like episode breakdown, Reese weather Spoon
Speaker 1: says as herself in discussing the season, She goes, and
Speaker 1: I love Reese, She's my favorite. I think that in
Speaker 1: a way, all the characters get canceled, canceled by their jobs,
Speaker 1: canceled by you know, the social media, canceled by life
Speaker 1: like and I'm just like, oh my god, the show
Speaker 1: is so third graders with d NC parents. I can't
Speaker 1: even get over. Also, what else happens, oh, Reese the Spoon,
Speaker 1: who plays one of the most famous women in America.
Speaker 1: Bradley Jackson morning show co host walks down the street
Speaker 1: with flyers in her hand, missing persons for her brother,
Speaker 1: and it's like, have you seen my brother? Have you
Speaker 1: seen my brother like he's a dog. So that ultimately
Speaker 1: Billy Crude up at the end of it says I
Speaker 1: love you, and remember she lesbian now, but he's like,
Speaker 1: I love you and this is what people say, right,
Speaker 1: I love you. And it's like he's a robot saying
Speaker 1: I love him for the first time. That was the
Speaker 1: third grade moment. But I've never seen camp like watching
Speaker 1: and I do use it, and it is this is
Speaker 1: no morning show, is we can say, according to Matt
Speaker 1: Rogers and Boon Yang is camp camp. We all know this.
Speaker 1: She was. She truly almost died of COVID and then
Speaker 1: Mark Duplas comes over lies to her that he has
Speaker 1: COVID two you find out he doesn't, So basically he's
Speaker 1: just exposing himself so he can be with her, and
Speaker 1: she gets a streaming service ub A Plus. She gets
Speaker 1: a show on the streaming service, and she pops off
Speaker 1: and is truly firing off like Joe Rogan being like,
Speaker 1: they fucking care if you like me at all? I
Speaker 1: am who I am? You fucking pieces of ship watching
Speaker 1: this dead on my train or get the funk off?
Speaker 1: So this is she said sta It was the last
Speaker 1: words of the episode. Oh my God, like every email
Speaker 1: from April that's stay safe and stay saying that's so stupid,
Speaker 1: but this is my thing. None of that sounds like
Speaker 1: third grader you know who. It sounds like college. No,
Speaker 1: that teacher, it sounds like the teacher. I think the
Speaker 1: teacher took a pass at the finale because she was like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I want to put my own little
Speaker 1: impromater on this, and she she wrote that ending that's
Speaker 1: my theory. I know this is your theory, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to mess with your theory because it's the funniest.
Speaker 1: It's truly one of the funniest bits of comedy from
Speaker 1: I can say that as as someone who's receiving this
Speaker 1: comedy from you, like this whole bit, the whole thing
Speaker 1: show was written by a class room of third graders
Speaker 1: is your theory. I just think my contribution is that
Speaker 1: for the finale, because it does stand out a little
Speaker 1: bit to me. I thought about that. It breaks the
Speaker 1: pattern a little bit of the morning show, you know what.
Speaker 1: It was, so another part of the the sort of
Speaker 1: like I guess we're gonna call it like the the
Speaker 1: Greater World of the third grades. Just remember I said
Speaker 1: the teachers believe in the room to go get drunk, right,
Speaker 1: And so she came back at the end of the
Speaker 1: week and said she's been through a ender, and she said,
Speaker 1: let me at this fucking show. Alright there, so this show,
Speaker 1: hold on a second, there's my fucking okay, yeah, fuck you.
Speaker 1: She's sweating dead, stay safe and us I forgot about
Speaker 1: the storyline. And he says, I love you to her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that right back to her. If you like me, fuck
Speaker 1: you fuck off. Telling the streaming service Okay, he's got
Speaker 1: going to great. Okay, send She had send a direct
Speaker 1: line Tim Cook and then Tim tells everybody over an
Speaker 1: Apple TV. Anyways, that's the story of That's the glory
Speaker 1: of Morning Show Season two. Truly a standing ovation. Okay,
Speaker 1: are you ready for your I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 1: I have one. It's a little it's a little self indulgent,
Speaker 1: not that most of mine aren't, but this is something
Speaker 1: that's specific to me. But it has to do with
Speaker 1: the culture. And I think I have to say this.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we're gonna get into it, and a decidedly
Speaker 1: bow and Yang. I don't think so, honey, this is
Speaker 1: Bowen yangs I don't think so, honey, and his time
Speaker 1: starts now. I don't think so, honey, Me being fan
Speaker 1: cast as Box in the Wicked movie, because this is
Speaker 1: something that you know will never happen, and I didn't
Speaker 1: think about before. But now that you're all telling me
Speaker 1: that I should play Box, I'm like, I guess I
Speaker 1: want to play back. But guess what, may I remind
Speaker 1: you it will never happen, and so you're setting me
Speaker 1: up for emotional despair that I can't be a part
Speaker 1: of this wonderful project starting to actors who I adore,
Speaker 1: directed by a director who ire. I can't be involved
Speaker 1: in this magical? Do you know how iconic it would
Speaker 1: be if I got to play the tin man? Bitch?
Speaker 1: You don't, because I'm just a little piece of chattel
Speaker 1: to you, and you can list me next to fucking
Speaker 1: oh Audrey McDonald is not a morrible don't do that
Speaker 1: to me. I'm too fragile for that. I am not
Speaker 1: in a place in my career where you can do
Speaker 1: that yet, because I still think of these movies like
Speaker 1: you do, I'm fan casting along with you. For me
Speaker 1: to be fan cast it feels wrong and cruel, and
Speaker 1: you must stop please, And that's one minute. So here's
Speaker 1: the deal. I think that if you wanted the audition,
Speaker 1: all you'd have to do was text. I think you
Speaker 1: think you should just contact him. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Then you'd have to be that person who likes did that.
Speaker 1: Then I gotta be like, I gotta go on the
Speaker 1: fucking talk shows and me like, yeah, I texted him.
Speaker 1: You know, like, no, I have no No, you can't
Speaker 1: be thirsty. You can't be like debor messing with Lucy.
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. You don't want to end
Speaker 1: up a fate worse than death in the Lucy narrative. Yeah. See, like,
Speaker 1: I think you'd be fabulous. But I also think they
Speaker 1: might be trying to cast a little person. I think
Speaker 1: they should cast all the munchkins as little people. I
Speaker 1: think that Also, here's another thing. What are y'all? What
Speaker 1: are y'all trying to say that I can't fuck because
Speaker 1: guess what bag and ninessa rose I want without I
Speaker 1: can actually bag the Glinda's. I don't need to funcknessa
Speaker 1: because I can go into a bar and walk up
Speaker 1: to the Glinda of the room and say, hey, you
Speaker 1: me my place. Let's go I have only home essentials
Speaker 1: in my room. You want to know, you want to
Speaker 1: know why Pete and Arianna broke up Bowen alright on
Speaker 1: a grand day. Spread it, spread it around. What broke
Speaker 1: them up? Bowen? It was Bowen. She said, no, I
Speaker 1: want that faggot. Arianna said, I want that baggett. I
Speaker 1: wanna I wanna let that faggot. I want to hear
Speaker 1: that faggot makes noise and she can say fag fag
Speaker 1: is it's it's it's actually a real culture. Number one hundred,
Speaker 1: Ariana ken and Has. I support your casting. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing. If you were in the Wicked movie, then
Speaker 1: you have to be in it, and like you really
Speaker 1: can't enjoy I know, Yeah, you're right, there's something too,
Speaker 1: there's something to just being able to like, okay, get this.
Speaker 1: So I'm seeing Fire Island tomorrow, I know, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: And so I don't know if this is saying too much,
Speaker 1: but like very very very small handful of people have
Speaker 1: seen the movie directors director's cut and apparently it's like
Speaker 1: really good, and so Joe Joel says, do you want
Speaker 1: to come see it? And I'm like panicking. I can't
Speaker 1: believe I'm about to go watch a movie with us
Speaker 1: in it, Like I'm like, oh my god, oh it'll
Speaker 1: feel crazy. I'm sure, are you worried that you're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to like line up your consumption
Speaker 1: of the movie along with everyone else? Well, I asked
Speaker 1: Joel about that. I'm like, how long did it take
Speaker 1: you to settle into watching it? And he was like,
Speaker 1: pretty much minutes into the movie. I settled into it,
Speaker 1: like he's well, he said, he said a specific part,
Speaker 1: but I was like, okay, maybe like as it goes
Speaker 1: like I'll get into it. But I have a feeling
Speaker 1: like my experience is gonna I'm gonna watch it the
Speaker 1: whole first time through and like have my shoulders up here,
Speaker 1: and then I'll be able to watch it again and
Speaker 1: again after that because I'll finally be able to like
Speaker 1: stop seeing myself in it and also stop seeing like
Speaker 1: everything we know. I just want to try to go
Speaker 1: in as best as I can and just watch it
Speaker 1: as a movie and enjoy it, because I know I
Speaker 1: would and will. But that's the thing about being in
Speaker 1: this type of stuff, was like I would love to
Speaker 1: be able to enjoy it that I can't get out
Speaker 1: of my mind, like that's me up there, like, but
Speaker 1: you know, you and Joel are very similar in this
Speaker 1: way where I think he might have gone into his
Speaker 1: viewing of it with the same feeling and then he
Speaker 1: ended up being I think, very enthusiastic about it. He was,
Speaker 1: which is a great signs. No, of course it's the
Speaker 1: best time because Joel like has very good standards and taste. Anyway,
Speaker 1: I was texting with Andrew on the director. We love
Speaker 1: him so much he I was. We were just texting
Speaker 1: each other catching up. I was like, oh my god, congrats,
Speaker 1: like it's so it's this is so cool, like I
Speaker 1: heard the screening went great, and then he was like, okay,
Speaker 1: and we'll do in New York screening soon and it'll
Speaker 1: be wonderful. And then over Thanksgiving I texted him like, okay,
Speaker 1: but when do you think of New York screening will
Speaker 1: happen now? And then he was like, well, do you
Speaker 1: want to watch it? He was like, do you want
Speaker 1: to watch it at the premiere or do you want
Speaker 1: to watch it with like a small cast and crew
Speaker 1: group in New York like when we do it at
Speaker 1: some time. See, that's another thing I'm thinking about is
Speaker 1: maybe I shouldn't watch him tomorrow. No, I think you
Speaker 1: should because here's my thing, I told Andrew is like
Speaker 1: the idea of watching myself for the first time in
Speaker 1: this with a bunch of other strangers terrifies me because
Speaker 1: I need to have a sense of like what I think,
Speaker 1: how I think I did in the movie that is
Speaker 1: not that informed by what other people think just yet.
Speaker 1: Yeah okay, Well also then again, Bone, it's not really
Speaker 1: for I know, I know, I know, but just for
Speaker 1: my own like vanity, like that's my thing. And then
Speaker 1: Andrew was like, what do you mean, Like that's your
Speaker 1: like your job every week is too Like yes, I
Speaker 1: told him. I was like, no, it's completely different because
Speaker 1: I have the luxury of getting immediate feedback on how
Speaker 1: I'm doing in a performance in front of strangers and
Speaker 1: knowing whether or not I had a good I did
Speaker 1: a good job. This is something totally foreign to me,
Speaker 1: where it's something I did like in the summer, and
Speaker 1: it won't be like received by many people until like
Speaker 1: a year a year later, Like that is so conceptually
Speaker 1: crazy to me. Well, I mean, I think Joel is
Speaker 1: excited about me watching it, So I'm going to go
Speaker 1: over and see it. So um. And you know, I
Speaker 1: did ask him any specific questions about certain things and
Speaker 1: he's been very reassuring. So um, I love that. Anyways,
Speaker 1: but I'm really excited. I can't believe It's like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be a thing. Like I'm excited. I'm so proud
Speaker 1: of Joel and Andrew, Like just what a what a
Speaker 1: huge deal. Anyway, much more to come on that one.
Speaker 1: And this was truly a culture catch up. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe our best one, our most expensive one. We covered
Speaker 1: a lot. We got into it. Whenever we at the
Speaker 1: end of an episode say this is our best one,
Speaker 1: that's when I say hundred period period. Maybe it's hundred periods,
Speaker 1: hundred period the title I think we only said what
Speaker 1: I forgot it spec, so we said, Lady Gaga, is
Speaker 1: spec specnomenalenal. Now I think it's hundred period, hundred period
Speaker 1: period period, so he numeral one zero zero period. You
Speaker 1: want to do numerals, can you tell me right here
Speaker 1: what you wanted, how you wanted to show up. I
Speaker 1: think it should be the word hundred period period as
Speaker 1: in the punctuation mark spain and then period period period, period,
Speaker 1: unless you want to do hundred period as in the
Speaker 1: punctuation period exclamation point, yeah, hundred period periods it with
Speaker 1: Matt and Bowen of course to note that it's a
Speaker 1: culture catch up and I just the dolls well phenomenal, phenomenal, specnomenal,
Speaker 1: specomenalo s pecnomenal, did not did not end up winning
Speaker 1: title of app status, but the so highlights Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: is spectomenal and house of Gucci. But we don't like
Speaker 1: the movie. Cultural Awards are canceled and we wish Wendy
Speaker 1: Williams the best. I'm really sad that the awards are
Speaker 1: are canceled, but we had to do. It would have
Speaker 1: been import taste to have kept them going given the
Speaker 1: state of Wendy Williams. Right, the last cultures Cultural Awards,
Speaker 1: as an idea were was a beautiful moment in time
Speaker 1: that was a byproduct of our insanity during the filming
Speaker 1: of the movie Fire Island, and it will stand the
Speaker 1: test of time. But if you read the hundred period
Speaker 1: to award the nominees now only months later makes no sense.
Speaker 1: To it no longer makes sense, and we wish might
Speaker 1: be the best Hi you shot at Ull