WEBVTT - Colin Montgomerie's Life in Golf & Majors 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:02.480 I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. 0:00:02.600 --> 0:00:04.880 When I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset. 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:06.160 And when I find my ball in. 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:10.559 A brid egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida egg, Frida egg, 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:13.160 fridagg bride egg, Lie, I'm about ready to run off 0:00:13.160 --> 0:00:14.080 the golf course. 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:40.760 Welcome back to the Friday Golf Podcast. I am your host, 0:00:40.880 --> 0:00:45.320 Andy Johnson, and today this is a special. It is 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:47.560 not going to be hosted by me. Uh, it will 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.040 be hosted by Kevin van Volkenberg. H It is an 0:00:51.080 --> 0:00:58.400 interview with the great Colin Montgomery. I thoroughly enjoyed this interview. 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:04.960 Lots of chuckle chuckle moments, lots of nitty gritty details 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:10.440 from Monty, stories from yesteryear. This was a fantastic listen. 0:01:11.920 --> 0:01:15.600 This was a piece of content We thought about using 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:19.560 a couple of different ways and it ended up just 0:01:19.640 --> 0:01:23.080 being a podcast, so we said, why don't we put 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:26.800 it on here? So big thanks to Kevin, big thanks 0:01:26.800 --> 0:01:32.480 to Monty, and I hope everybody enjoys this episode of 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:42.559 the Friday Golf Podcast and Kevin's interview with Colin Montgomery. 0:01:43.760 --> 0:01:45.840 Hi, Colin, Hello there, how are you? 0:01:46.560 --> 0:01:48.680 I'm great. Thank you for joining me this morning. 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:51.240 Absolutely fantastic. Thank you so much. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:53.480 I really appreciate it. 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:56.160 You know, I've been a fan for a number of 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:58.640 years and one of the things I love doing is 0:01:58.680 --> 0:02:03.120 reading Golf by our and so I found this recently 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:05.360 and I was going through it and I thought, you 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:07.200 know what, this would be a great chance to talk 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:09.799 to Monty about, you know, his career and some of 0:02:09.840 --> 0:02:12.280 the stuff, because I feel like I almost feel like 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.480 I'm a bit of a professor for the younger generation 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:17.040 of golf fans because I could sort of educate them 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:19.600 on some of the game grades who they might have 0:02:19.720 --> 0:02:20.760 missed a little bit. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:24.400 Yeah, well, it's it is, it's it is. It is 0:02:24.440 --> 0:02:27.120 different nowadays. You know, they all come out of college 0:02:27.120 --> 0:02:29.840 and they're all looking similar, you know, with their hats on, 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:33.280 and the way they play the game is very similar 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.680 to the way that we used to play the game 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.280 with feel. When you think of even a different generation 0:02:38.360 --> 0:02:41.680 than me, but the Travinos of this world, the Palmers, 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.720 the Nicholas that you know, these guys that real feel players. 0:02:45.280 --> 0:02:47.400 Now it's a whole different game, isn't it. You know, 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.000 it's a it's a three hundred and thirty bash and 0:02:51.000 --> 0:02:55.680 and uh and a wedge on and and and it's 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:58.200 all about potting really, you know. Now it's it's it's 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.079 used to be holding up a seven iron into into 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:02.840 that right to left wind and all this sort of stuff. 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.400 Now it's a bit of a bash. But hey, every 0:03:05.440 --> 0:03:08.320 sport changes, you know, every sport has changed, and and 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:10.920 every sport is changing. Yeah. 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.800 Yeah, did you study the sort of greats of the 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:15.640 game when you were young and coming up, you know 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:16.800 in Glasgow and stuff. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:18.240 Did you at anything? 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.200 Yeah? I didn't. I didn't look at any swings particularly. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:24.919 I was always interested in the guys that got the 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:28.840 ball up and down. Uh Sevy I always I always 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.520 admired Savy. In fact, at the Master's many many a time, 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.080 and we miss him terribly, you know, but at the Masters, 0:03:36.120 --> 0:03:38.640 I remember watching him. Uh. We used to have the 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:44.720 range across just beside uh, Magnolia Lane, there was a 0:03:44.760 --> 0:03:46.520 bunker on the left, on the left hand side. He 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:48.839 drove up to the clubhouse and he used to spend 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.720 a lot of time in there, and I used to 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.720 watch him, and I used to sit there and watch 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.360 him just as a spectator. Really, I was one of 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:57.320 the hundreds of people that were just watching him, and 0:03:57.360 --> 0:04:01.800 I was playing in the tournament, and and I admired 0:04:02.760 --> 0:04:06.600 that sort of vision and that and that that that 0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:11.160 that charisma, you know, and that of trying to get 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:13.760 that ball as close as possible from this indifferent lie. 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.880 I think that was just a real talent, you know. 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.359 So I watched him, but swinging the golf club not really, no, 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:25.839 because mine was always quite unique and I had a 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.760 very upright swing from from birth, really came out the 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:35.200 cradles swinging the club upright, and it wasn't failing me 0:04:35.520 --> 0:04:37.520 at that stage. So I was one of these people 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.680 that if it wasn't bossed, I don't want to fix 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.760 it really, you know, because I heard so often and 0:04:42.800 --> 0:04:45.679 I'd played with a number of great players. Ronan Rafferty 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:49.160 remember that name, who won the Order Merit back in 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:55.279 eighty nine. There great player went to the led Better school. 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.840 Not blaming led Beetter, but one of you know that 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:01.400 type of idea, got very good, try to get better 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:07.880 and didn't. David Fairty was another one that was a 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:10.080 very good player, you know, that played nar RDI Cup 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:14.480 team that went went that way as well. Howard Clark, 0:05:14.560 --> 0:05:17.560 a great player went that way, and I was I 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:20.480 was always a bit no, no, no, don't please try 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:24.240 try try. If this works, If this is what you've 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:27.200 got and this works, stick with it, because it's a 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:31.640 very dangerous road to go down because it might not work. Yes, 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.080 it worked for Faldo, it worked for Nick Price, it 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:38.799 worked for some players to change their swings. But I wasn't. 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:43.359 I was never really one of those. No, no, yeah, 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:43.840 all right. 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.640 So my wife grew up in New Mexico and reading 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:48.640 your biography, I saw you know you started that in 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:53.000 New Mexico military attitude. I can't imagine knowing New Mexico 0:05:53.080 --> 0:05:55.960 at a place that feels more different than Glasgow, Scotland. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.320 How did you How did you end up there? And 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:01.080 and I know this was the famous story about you 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:02.520 sneaking out in the middle of the night, but what 0:06:02.560 --> 0:06:05.680 do you remember about the decision to essentially be like 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:06.640 this is not for me. 0:06:07.720 --> 0:06:11.719 Well, my father was on business. My father was in cookies, 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:13.960 Fox's biscuits we call them. We call them biscuits, you'd 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.800 call them cookies. And he was over in America, in 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:21.440 the Dallas area and was looking for because it was 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.480 in the days before that the British used to go 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.760 to university in America. You know, we never really used 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:29.040 to go. There was nobody really that I was one 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:32.520 of the first ones. Foald o'lyle went for a couple 0:06:32.560 --> 0:06:35.039 of months, I believe, but I was really looking for 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:38.359 a degree, to be honest, and then if golf happened 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:41.000 to be paying for it, great, you know, because because 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.160 as in the Scottish team. So my father was on 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:50.400 business in Dallas and heard about New Mexicano mil Interstitute. 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:54.200 We got in touch with the with the the golf 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:57.880 coach there, Lovely Fellow, and he went down out of 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:00.880 season right, this was in the summer, so there was 0:07:00.920 --> 0:07:04.760 no there was nobody there. The school was closed really 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:09.720 uh So we went around saw the facilities. As an 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:14.160 ex military man himself, I thought this was this was great. 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.520 The facilities were great, the practice facilities were super, the 0:07:19.280 --> 0:07:23.800 the accommodation, everything about the place. Okay, okay, you're off, 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:26.120 so I said, okay, fine. I hadn't been myself, so 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:30.000 so my first my first view of the of the 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.320 of the military institute was it was of course when 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:35.640 I when I arrived, and it was very different when 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:38.680 I arrived to what he saw. It was very much 0:07:38.720 --> 0:07:44.680 more military. And although I had come from personally a 0:07:44.720 --> 0:07:48.720 military background, with my father being in the military here 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:51.840 in here in the UK just after the war he 0:07:51.880 --> 0:07:54.600 was he was based in the Sewers Canal. He was 0:07:54.600 --> 0:07:57.320 in the Sewers crisis back in the back in the day. 0:07:59.080 --> 0:08:03.240 It was it was it was just too military, too quickly, right. 0:08:03.800 --> 0:08:05.360 It was the it was the all call at five 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:07.680 thirty in the morning. It was the cold showers, it 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.360 was the thing, and it was all very very too much. 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.680 So no, it wasn't really for me. So so it 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.320 was one of these things that that that that get 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:19.400 getting out in the middle of the middle of the evening. 0:08:21.400 --> 0:08:23.640 It was. It was a bizarre sort of situation. How 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:27.280 I got to Houston Baptist University. And it's it's in 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:29.120 the book, but at the same time, you know, to 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.640 hear it from from from word of mouth, you know, 0:08:32.840 --> 0:08:35.640 he said, right, okay, try and I said, look, it's 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:37.520 not for me, Dad. I had to make a phone call. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.000 And and you know, when you're sort of stand in 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:41.840 line for a phone call. There was no mobile phones 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:45.200 in these days, there's no cell phones. It stood in line, 0:08:45.240 --> 0:08:48.280 put your ten cents in and off you go, and uh, 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:50.760 you know, I said, okay, well look it's not for me, right, okay, 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:53.439 what do you do? Okay, So get up to Albuquerque, 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.600 which was the biggest city close by. It was about 0:08:57.120 --> 0:08:59.880 two hundred miles. It's not a four hour drive up. 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:04.520 So I got a Greyhound bus. That wasn't. That wasn't 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:08.760 the most pleasurable experience at night time, believe me, from 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:11.280 Roswell to Albertquerque. 0:09:11.679 --> 0:09:13.640 Having been to Masca, I know that. 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.760 Well yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Well well this wasn't. This 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:19.560 wasn't now as well, this was this was forty years 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.120 you know, forty two years ago. My god, say so, 0:09:23.240 --> 0:09:25.840 I hope the boss has there had its day, believe me, 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:29.200 it had its day. Then never mind, Now forgot to Albuquerque. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.880 I got to the airport at Albuquerque. It dropped me 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:34.840 off at the airport and I looked at the screen. 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.760 I looked at the screen, and Dad said to me, 0:09:38.440 --> 0:09:43.400 get to Albuquerque airport and give me a call and 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:49.240 see what's what flight's available. So okay, okay, because there's 0:09:49.240 --> 0:09:51.800 no point I could have come home to Scotland. But 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:54.040 I was in America. I was a long way away 0:09:54.040 --> 0:09:57.920 from home. I wanted my degree more than anything, and 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:01.560 there was no really point home, nothing to come home too. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.400 As opposed to family, there was nothing. There was no job, 0:10:04.520 --> 0:10:08.120 there was no career as such. So I decided to 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:12.920 stay American, and I got I looked at the screen 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.240 and there was a choice. There was four flights. There 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:20.520 was La San Francisco, there was Dallas, and there was Houston. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:25.120 And the first one, seven thirty in the morning was Houston. 0:10:26.840 --> 0:10:31.160 Yet on it. So I got to Houston, checked into 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.880 the double tree in outside the airport at Houston. I remember, God, 0:10:34.920 --> 0:10:36.520 every time I fly in to Houston. I passed it 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.480 on the way on the way out of the airport. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:41.440 It's still there, my God, never forget it forty two 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:45.160 years ago, and stayed there, and he says, okay, we 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:47.880 got to Houston, right, Okay, let me make some phone calls, 0:10:47.880 --> 0:10:56.319 you see. And it became it became very interesting, the 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:01.160 phone call scenarios. Whereby a member of the golf club 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.720 that that we were members of in Yorkshire at the 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:09.839 time had a chaplain, a minister, and he was the 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:14.840 chaplain of the astronauts that used to come over to 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:20.120 train with our Royal Air Force. UH we had a 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.600 we had a space program that you know alongside the 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:28.360 US UH and our R e F trained train with 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:31.040 their guys, and they came over and trained us. And 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.560 he was the minister of the chaplain for the for 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:38.480 the area. And he said, okay, said I know, I 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:42.079 know Alan Shepherd. Now, Alan Shepherd, we all know was 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:43.920 the first man in the moon, or not first man 0:11:43.960 --> 0:11:45.319 in the moon, the first man to play golf on 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:47.400 the moon. And probably they only have a man to 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:48.559 play golf on the moon. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:50.800 The course record on the moon. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:56.240 He hasn't gone down yet. It's still Brighton. Brighton thinks 0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:58.440 he's long, but not it's not all an Alan Shepherd 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:02.160 sixth ann and uh so it was. It was. It 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:04.520 was a friend of a friend and that got through 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:08.400 to to to the Houston, the NASA connection in Houston, 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:12.680 the astronauts of course, and he knew the coach at 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:19.440 at Houston Baptist University and a guy called Dave Mannon 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.800 and and okay, Dave took a trip up from from 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:28.920 HBU it's now called Houston Christian University actually as opposed 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.679 to Houston Baptist University up to visit a couple of 0:12:31.760 --> 0:12:35.520 years ago and he saw me in the hotel room 0:12:35.600 --> 0:12:41.199 and said, look, okay, all our all our sponsorship, all 0:12:41.200 --> 0:12:44.760 our all our deals that are done for the for 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:50.160 the year, so we'll have you as a walk on 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:56.280 and hopefully you can you can get some financial aid 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:00.200 in the next three years because it was expensive and 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.160 the dollar happened to be one to one with a pound, 0:13:02.240 --> 0:13:04.480 which was a nightmare for my father because it was 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:09.000 very expensive. Anyway, So long story short, I enrolled in 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.000 the Houston Bache's University and played as a walk on 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:17.280 the first year and managed to secure uh you know, 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.200 a sort of sports sports scholarship for the next for 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:25.160 the next three and enjoyed myself thoroughly. I really did. 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.920 It was it was a super time and nothing against 0:13:27.960 --> 0:13:30.720 New Mexican Institute. It was just it just wasn't for me. 0:13:31.280 --> 0:13:33.880 It might be for some, you know, obviously for some, 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:36.240 it just wasn't for me at the time. Yeah, that 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:36.680 was it. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.440 They did never come looking for you. The New Mexico 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:40.760 military and student never tried to track it. 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:42.880 Well, every time I every time I go, I must 0:13:42.880 --> 0:13:45.800 have made every time I go to the immigration officers 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.360 when I land in America, I think, is this it 0:13:48.400 --> 0:13:51.800 is this the time, you know, do I have a 0:13:51.840 --> 0:13:54.280 red flag? You know? Do I have a red flag 0:13:54.320 --> 0:13:58.720 against my name? But I've managed touchwood, I've managed to 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:00.040 to avoid it. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:04.400 I read in the book that you almost burned down 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.920 your college apartment by making scones. 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:08.600 I did what you remember about? 0:14:08.720 --> 0:14:12.920 Yeah, that was a disaster. I am okay, first and foremost. 0:14:13.040 --> 0:14:15.200 I've never been a chef. Okay, that's I mean, that's 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.520 just a disaster for me. I'd stay out in the 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:19.960 kitchen as much as possible. Toaster is about my limit. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:25.320 And and yeah, I decided one day to get these 0:14:25.360 --> 0:14:28.920 Pillsbury dough things. You you sort of unwrap them and 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.080 they all come out, you know, write twelve sort of 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:36.360 scone scones whatever they're called biscuits, I suppose. And I 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.400 put them on this tray and put them in the oven, 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:40.840 and I thought it's done a great job. You know. 0:14:41.320 --> 0:14:43.000 Trouble is that I didn't realize that one of the 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.640 guys hadn't cleaned the tray before and it was full 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:47.720 of fat. So I put this in the oven, and 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.680 of course it caught fire. Well, bloody hell did it 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:55.320 catch fire? This whole place I was downstairs, thought oh, 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.480 hang on, that's a funny smell. So I went upstairs, 0:14:57.680 --> 0:14:59.960 go downstairs with a friend. And I was going upstairs, 0:15:01.080 --> 0:15:03.320 the basketball team were down below me. It was funny. 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.040 And I used to know one of the guys. He 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.400 was a great guy, and I said, that smells funny. 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.720 So I went upstairs and thrice the flames. That's what 0:15:10.760 --> 0:15:12.400 the hell do I do? So I called nine one 0:15:12.480 --> 0:15:17.360 one and we called it nine nine nine. We called 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:19.680 nine nine nine. You call it nine one one and 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.920 called so the two fire engines come running up and 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.360 spray this whole apartment with water. Now, the rest of 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.160 my three guys that I shared the apartment with were 0:15:28.160 --> 0:15:30.720 out at the time, so when they came back, everything 0:15:30.880 --> 0:15:35.040 was soaked. I mean, it was just ridiculous. Everything was soaked. 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:39.080 I'd soaked. It leaked down to the basketball teams, you know, 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.000 so that there was that I'll never forget. There was 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.600 Nigerian guy who was about seven foot I forget his name, 0:15:43.920 --> 0:15:46.320 part of our basketball team. And he came up and 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:47.840 I thought, oh my god, he's going to kill me. 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:49.600 You know, he is going to kill me. I had it, 0:15:49.640 --> 0:15:53.560 I've had it. He was great. He helped me, helped 0:15:53.600 --> 0:15:57.600 me clean up. I mean, he was fantastic, but oh god, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.520 I made my missa. I mean, hey, college, you know, 0:16:01.000 --> 0:16:03.240 college times. It was fantastic. And I went back. A 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:06.960 funny I went back. I went back two years ago. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.400 So it's forty forty years after and that apartment should 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:13.040 have been should have been. Absolutely, I mean, I mean 0:16:13.560 --> 0:16:17.080 written off thirty years ago. It's still standing, believe or not. 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:20.040 I can't believe it's still standing. I tried my best 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:23.600 to get rid of it, but it's still But yeah, 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:27.200 you know, good stories. And I really did enjoy I 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.120 really did enjoy my time at Houston. It was that 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:33.640 you've got a fantastic system in America. That college program 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:38.640 you have is something to behold. And anytime that anybody 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:42.160 asks me about America, and he said, oh, you know, 0:16:42.200 --> 0:16:44.080 my son's good. Is there any chance to get you know, 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:45.840 I got a chance to go to me, I said, 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:48.680 take it, take it. It's not just the education, it's 0:16:48.680 --> 0:16:51.440 not just the golf. It's the lifestyle. You know, it's 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:53.920 the lifestyle. And you manage to go to a bigger school. 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:55.680 I was at a smaller school. But if you've got 0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.360 a bigger school with a football program, I mean you 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.640 see these I mean one hundred thousd and people at 0:17:00.720 --> 0:17:04.919 Iowa and Georgia and these places, I mean incredible, the 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.840 alumni and the money that's involved, and the support that 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:11.920 the colleges get. It's the superb start to one's life. Yeah, 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.439 and I really did enjoy it. And it was the making. 0:17:14.880 --> 0:17:17.360 It was the making of me as the golfer, that's 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:21.000 for sure. America learned. America taught me how to win 0:17:21.680 --> 0:17:25.879 more than Britain. You know, we feel well done, good effort, 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.960 you finished third, you know, well done America. Well that's 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:32.719 the second loser, you know, in America. Big difference. So 0:17:33.040 --> 0:17:35.320 it was it was a good time, great time. 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:36.880 Yeah. 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.840 We talked about your upright swing a little bitarlier. Why 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:41.040 do you think the swing that Bill Ferguson taught you 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:43.119 when you were a young man like held up so 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:44.080 well over your life. 0:17:45.600 --> 0:17:49.040 I think I think more upright swings hold up better 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:54.960 than a rounded swing. There's less to go wrong. There's 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:58.640 more lateral movement than there is a hip turn. There's 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.119 less turn in my swing than there isn't you know. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.480 There's more lateral movement forward to back as opposed to round. 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.120 And I think that the round swing. When it works, 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:13.000 it's fantastic. But you see nowadays with the round of swing, 0:18:13.040 --> 0:18:15.560 when it doesn't work, my god, it can go off, 0:18:15.800 --> 0:18:18.919 and it goes off in a hurry. It goes off sideways, 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.080 you know, thirty degree angle. I never had that. I 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.640 was always a little more consistent. I wasn't as long 0:18:25.680 --> 0:18:28.359 as some of them because I wasn't using my hips 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.119 to turn. I was more consistent because it was a 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.120 lateral movement. And I think a lot of the good 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.640 iron players Nicholas was a great iron player. Scott Hoak 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:40.080 I always, I used to think, was a good iron player. 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:44.560 More upright swing, similar sort of thing to myself, David 0:18:44.600 --> 0:18:49.800 Tom's upright swing. These guys that that I always admired 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:52.359 as as good iron players. And that's what mark my 0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.800 strength was. It wasn't in the driving of the ball 0:18:55.000 --> 0:18:58.479 because it wasn't long. I could find it. But then 0:18:58.520 --> 0:19:00.520 I took my strength to my iron player because it 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.120 was upright and it was consistent. Yeah yeah, yeah. 0:19:04.840 --> 0:19:07.240 In college, you know your walk on, uh so you 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:08.639 kind of had to, you know, earn some money and 0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.919 can make a living. One of your first jobs was 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:15.720 the valet parking cars and a valets taught you about life. 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.040 It was a great fund, great fun up at lock 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:26.439 of Our Country Club in Houston and amazing. And it 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.800 was the very wealthy wealthy clubs, you know, one of 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:34.280 these ultra private wealthy clubs in America. And and because 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:37.520 we allowed, we were allowed to play on Mondays when when 0:19:37.520 --> 0:19:40.720 it was maintenance day, you know, the course was closed really, 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:42.760 but they allowed some college players to come on, which 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:47.280 was great for us. Super golf course Jack Nicholas signature 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:51.120 design course. Super And so they got the team out 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.560 one evening to help them valley park the cars. They 0:19:53.600 --> 0:19:58.000 had this big, big I suppose fundraising or one of 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:01.879 these big, big events, and see here we go. And 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:05.080 it wasn't just it wasn't just the Buicks and the oldsmobiles, 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.159 you know, this was the Porsches and the Rolls, Roysters 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.640 and the stuff. So we we had fun. We had 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.880 fun even just getting in the damn car, never mind 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:16.040 driving it. So it was fantastic fun. Yeah, all the 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.000 luxury German cars and all the range Rovers and all 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:23.080 this stuff. It was always superb. And of course getting 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.680 into the car, into an American car for one, of course, 0:20:25.680 --> 0:20:27.560 it's the wrong side of the wrong side of the road. 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:29.040 For us, I'm on the wrong side of the wheel 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:35.159 and h okay, and the owner might have switched the 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.439 car off or luckily he's kept it on right, but 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:40.000 he might switch it off and get out of the car, 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:43.000 help the wife out the car. So I'm sitting in 0:20:43.000 --> 0:20:46.119 the car. Now, where's the bloody ignition? Where where do 0:20:46.200 --> 0:20:48.440 I start this thing? Where's the you know, the gear 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:50.800 levers and all the stuff. Is it sick shift? Is 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:52.440 it not? Our It was okay with stick shift, because 0:20:52.440 --> 0:20:55.080 that's what we use here, so stick ship? Is it automatic? 0:20:55.200 --> 0:20:57.000 Is it? I mean, oh, my god, you know what 0:20:57.160 --> 0:20:59.600 you know? And then there could be a small gentleman 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:01.879 get out the cast of course you're stuck farting near 0:21:01.920 --> 0:21:04.880 the whew, you can't turn this thing? Or it was 0:21:04.920 --> 0:21:07.399 it was it was, It was an event. And then 0:21:07.440 --> 0:21:09.160 they paid you for it when you when you came out, 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.320 it was great. I mean, they gave you in these 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:13.840 days twenty dollars. My god, that was a huge amount 0:21:13.880 --> 0:21:16.840 of money for us. I mean I was living on 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:21.840 seventeen and a half cents of off Craft macaroni cheese. 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.359 Where the cheese was was was powder? You know the 0:21:25.440 --> 0:21:28.439 stuff you're poured seventeen and a half cents, that proves 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:30.680 that was my dinner. So twenty dollars to park a 0:21:30.760 --> 0:21:33.600 car was superb for me, and that helped me pay 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.119 pay for things at university. Yeah, help help feed me. 0:21:38.680 --> 0:21:41.200 Your your love of cool cars kind of grew over time. 0:21:41.240 --> 0:21:44.080 But you said that you got a job driving for 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.240 your dad for Fox Biscuits, who were like a regional 0:21:46.760 --> 0:21:49.320 sort of salesman, and you buggered up three cars, or 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:50.719 so I did. 0:21:51.280 --> 0:21:55.000 I did having to tell your father about. 0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:58.480 Well, that wasn't good. That wasn't good. You don't tell 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.440 the boss. You don't tell the that you've written off 0:22:01.440 --> 0:22:04.800