Speaker 1: Of the law and order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies.
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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome to That's Messed Up, an SVU podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm one of your hosts, Kara Klink and name Lisa Tragger.
Speaker 2: We talk SVU true crime and one day we will
Speaker 2: have guests again one day post.
Speaker 4: One day right today, year twenty four.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, we're cooking up baby interviews. We got some
Speaker 1: good people coming up in twenty twenty four. This is
Speaker 1: our last episode before Christmas. Jingle Bells. You're gonna be
Speaker 1: already be away when this comes out.
Speaker 4: No, not yet, not yet.
Speaker 2: No. We have just gotten back from our New York
Speaker 2: Philly dates and I will be going to Mexico City
Speaker 2: in four days.
Speaker 4: So but you know, I mean, we're recording this in
Speaker 4: the time machine way before.
Speaker 2: But I'm already you know, I'm buying skirts, I'm i'm, I'm,
Speaker 2: I got new sneakers. I'm wearing them in so they're
Speaker 2: ready for They're ready for Mexico. You know, so much
Speaker 2: planning the nail appointment has been made on the twenty second.
Speaker 2: I'm doing a lot doing all, right, I know, I
Speaker 2: buy my tickets, doing the plans.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm holding out my nails until like right before
Speaker 1: because I want them to like last over the holidays,
Speaker 1: like when I'm gone for a long time.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: Same with the roots.
Speaker 2: You know, it's like I'm trying to get my grays,
Speaker 2: but if I wait this long, then I'll they'll pop
Speaker 2: out and this time, so yeah, to wait, So I'm
Speaker 2: gray for a week longer than.
Speaker 1: I like to have not done because I'm going to
Speaker 1: the same girl we both go to to get my
Speaker 1: hair recolored fully, but I don't like to like I
Speaker 1: don't really pay her to do my roots.
Speaker 4: I just do it myself.
Speaker 1: And so I'm waiting until like the day before the
Speaker 1: appointment so that it can like all be beautiful together.
Speaker 1: That's so wild that you won't let her just do
Speaker 1: it all because she did it last time. It's so
Speaker 1: much more money and it's so much more time. It's
Speaker 1: like a double process for me. Oh okay, you know, okay,
Speaker 1: and I just like do it myself and then she
Speaker 1: just does the rest, you know, because it's like because
Speaker 1: I do bolliage. So I will be when this episode
Speaker 1: comes out, frantically packing to take my two children by
Speaker 1: myself across the country on a plane.
Speaker 4: And should I buy adults a lounge pass before that?
Speaker 1: Will it help me? I don't know. I get there
Speaker 1: so early and then I just let them like run
Speaker 1: around and they go insane and people usually laugh, but
Speaker 1: I don't know, we'll see. It might be bothering people
Speaker 1: at the Christmas time, but.
Speaker 2: That's what if you're traveling around the holidays, you know,
Speaker 2: that's what's happening. You know, like the y at, the
Speaker 2: babies are there, the families are going, that's like, this
Speaker 2: is this is the time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the kids are pumped, they're full of sugar. It's happening. Yeah. Wait.
Speaker 1: I spent the morning on Ticketmaster trying to buy tickets
Speaker 1: to take my son Oscar to see Rafi because he's
Speaker 1: going to be in la in February. And guess what,
Speaker 1: that motherfucker sold out the Orpheum downtown and he didn't
Speaker 1: really sell it out totally.
Speaker 4: There's like six.
Speaker 1: Single tickets left, which is like who's buying those singles?
Speaker 1: Who's buying a single to go to Rafi? That's an
Speaker 1: SVU episode, you know, like you can't like send a
Speaker 1: kid by themself, so.
Speaker 4: They're just like time to email for some favors.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I better agents have never been asked for a RAFFI.
Speaker 1: I literally was like, is this the ask for the
Speaker 1: agents or do I wait until I really want to
Speaker 1: see Adele? Like do I have Like I can't believe
Speaker 1: I would have. I would like blow it on RAFFI.
Speaker 1: It's on resale sites, like there's stuff on stub Hub,
Speaker 1: but it's like for they're on Ticketmaster for forty nine
Speaker 1: and they're on stub Hub for like ninety five, and.
Speaker 4: It's like, I didn't know you guys were such a
Speaker 4: Raffi family.
Speaker 1: Oscar just started kind of being into like Baby Beluga
Speaker 1: and like down by the Bay and stuff, and I.
Speaker 4: Was like, you know, he's kind of an icon.
Speaker 1: And I feel like, like I was thinking it would
Speaker 1: be something fun for me and Oscar to do because
Speaker 1: I do so much solo shit with Rosie, Like I
Speaker 1: would like to start doing a little bit more now
Speaker 1: that Oscar's coming more into his consciousness, like doing more
Speaker 1: things with him, and so I thought it would be
Speaker 1: a fun thing for us to do and damn. I
Speaker 1: texted a bunch of friends. I go, I'm getting tickets
Speaker 1: for Rappie who wants to come? And then I go
Speaker 1: cancel that he sold out? Like it's crazy. Yeah that's impressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah it's at two o'clock in the afternoon on a
Speaker 1: Saturday in February. But I'm going to try to I'm
Speaker 1: going to try to work some work, some connects, see
Speaker 1: what I can do. So did you find out about
Speaker 1: it late or did he sell out that fast? I
Speaker 1: think I found out about it late. I think I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know when it was announced. To
Speaker 1: be honest, I like saw something generally past like I'm
Speaker 1: passing about it maybe on my Facebook and was like,
Speaker 1: what is this? And then my friend I was on
Speaker 1: another podcast. I was on Hysteria, and Aaron Ryan, who's
Speaker 1: the host of that podcast, was like saying, how Rafi's
Speaker 1: so cool? This is actually we were having conversation because
Speaker 1: you know what the end of that podcast, you you do,
Speaker 1: Sanny Petty, something that's keeping you sane or something that
Speaker 1: you feel petty about. And for Petty, I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm so spoiled by Netflix and Hulu without ads and
Speaker 1: all this stuff that I don't pay for paramount without ads,
Speaker 1: and my kids watch a lot of Nickelodeon shit on there,
Speaker 1: and there's so many fucking ads, and it's like so
Speaker 1: insidious because they're two and four and everything they see,
Speaker 1: they're like, can we get that?
Speaker 4: Can I have that?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, god, like, how did our parents even live?
Speaker 1: We were just watching commercials constantly asking for everything. I'm sure.
Speaker 1: So I was annoyed by child consumerism, advertising culture or whatever.
Speaker 1: That was my my petty.
Speaker 4: And she was saying that Raffi actually.
Speaker 1: Could have been a millionaire many times over, but he
Speaker 1: would he refused to let his music be sold for
Speaker 1: children's advertisements. WHOA, yeah, that's what she told me. Have
Speaker 1: in fact shocks, So.
Speaker 2: He could have had a Nickelodeon show or something or
Speaker 2: like what did she mean he could have?
Speaker 1: Like he would have made so much money if he
Speaker 1: had like lent his song to like, you know, a
Speaker 1: paw patrol or like, I don't know, not a paw patrol,
Speaker 1: but like you know, some kind of any kind of
Speaker 1: toy or like to movies or anything that's like being
Speaker 1: aimed towards kids, and he wouldn't do it. Wow, so
Speaker 1: he didn't want kids to be advertised too, I think so.
Speaker 1: I think he was like, let them find my music
Speaker 1: on a record player in a field. I bet he's
Speaker 1: still a millionaire though, yeah, oh I'm sure that's yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. I mean he could have been
Speaker 1: like a more millionaire, like you know, but yeah, like
Speaker 1: this thing in Canada, Raffi says no ads for kids
Speaker 1: like he he advocates for a child's right to live
Speaker 1: free of commercial exploitation, and he has consistently refused all
Speaker 1: commercial endorsement offers. That's what it says on his Wikipedia
Speaker 1: And I kind of like, wow, like love that about
Speaker 1: Raffi anyway.
Speaker 2: Amazing, Well that kind of reminded me and then fully
Speaker 2: left my brain immediately and now it's back. So there's
Speaker 2: this woman. I think I talked to you about her,
Speaker 2: but her name is Chelsea Fagan. I found her TikTok,
Speaker 2: but I used to read her stuff on Thought Catalog
Speaker 2: like back in the day, and Ryan Hannels, yes, picks
Speaker 2: her mom hair. So she's the CEO of this company
Speaker 2: called the Financial Diet and I think it's just like
Speaker 2: YouTube and social media finance advice for young people. But
Speaker 2: she has eleven employees. She is the CEO, and she's
Speaker 2: the fifth highest paid in her company. She says it's
Speaker 2: bullshit to think that executives are the most valuable or
Speaker 2: the most important to a company. She goes, I am not,
Speaker 2: and there are people who deserve to get paid more
Speaker 2: than me. She's not given herself a raise in five years.
Speaker 2: She says, I make enough money. I have other endeavors.
Speaker 2: I don't need more money and I don't. That's that wow.
Speaker 1: So it's pretty cool with their integrity. It's but as
Speaker 1: you say, it's tough to have integrity, you know.
Speaker 2: But she's doing well, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: and she can and a lot of the comments are
Speaker 2: always like you're out of touch, you're rich, And she
Speaker 2: came from low income. She was raised low income, and
Speaker 2: that's where a lot of her education and I think
Speaker 2: with money also comes from.
Speaker 4: And like I don't know, but they own their apartment,
Speaker 4: her and her husband.
Speaker 2: She dressed as well, Like, you know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if she's lat And it's kind of the thing where
Speaker 2: at a certain point, your happiness does not grow with
Speaker 2: the amount of money you have, and I think she's
Speaker 2: at that point. But just to be aware enough to
Speaker 2: be like, I do not deserve the most that my
Speaker 2: own company. I have never heard anything like it.
Speaker 4: Ever. Yeah that is I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Heard the Costco guy is good. I heard the Patagonia
Speaker 2: guy is good, but like I don't you know, I
Speaker 2: don't really know about oh oh well yeah. I also
Speaker 2: saw this family having a birthday party at Costco and
Speaker 2: I was like, that's fucking cute.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. I really love the Costco pizza.
Speaker 1: I get a piece sometimes when I go to Costco
Speaker 1: and just sit there and have a life ofttle Costco
Speaker 1: pizza by myself.
Speaker 4: Because I know the Costco hot Dog's the big item.
Speaker 4: But you know, I can't have that, and.
Speaker 2: I'm a snob with when it comes to my home.
Speaker 2: I want a beef I want a beef dog baby.
Speaker 2: Oh guess what. So I went to McDonald's to get
Speaker 2: another Disney toy. I wanted to stab it again, you know,
Speaker 2: so last time. Basically Disney is doing the hundred years
Speaker 2: of Disney. You can get any cute toy. I got
Speaker 2: Star Wars, so I go, I just want a cute toy,
Speaker 2: like can I just get Sully or Mowana?
Speaker 4: Like can I get Pluto please. I went back. I
Speaker 4: got another Star Wars set.
Speaker 1: I cannot believe that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a different one. It's c three po So
Speaker 2: I'll give it to Mateo. He really likes him. He
Speaker 2: thinks it's a gay robot. So but I can't even
Speaker 2: believe it. I can't even believe it that I got
Speaker 2: another Star Wars toy. Nobody wants this, nobody. It's just
Speaker 2: like what child knows and likes Star Wars Like that
Speaker 2: is for the parents. Like no child is going like
Speaker 2: that is getting happy meals want Star Wars. Unless I'm
Speaker 2: fully wrong. I did see some young.
Speaker 1: Jedi toys when I went to the store. Whatever, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm pissed.
Speaker 2: Let's go so yeah, not to be too negative, you know,
Speaker 2: but I just want a cute toy, you know, And
Speaker 2: like if I didn't know what the options were would
Speaker 2: be another thing.
Speaker 4: But on the box you see all the other cute
Speaker 4: things you could get, and you can't just say to
Speaker 4: the guy, do you have anything else back there? Or
Speaker 4: is that an drive away? No?
Speaker 1: I drive away. I open it and I go, mother
Speaker 1: a fucker. I think next time we got to be
Speaker 1: doing a check on site. And then we gotta go.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, sir, this is my second one. I can't.
Speaker 4: I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't have this again. Yeah, back there to dig
Speaker 1: around and tell me? Are you going to different McDonald
Speaker 1: Maybe that one's cursed.
Speaker 2: I went to the same one. I will go to
Speaker 2: a different one. I'm gonna go to a different one
Speaker 2: and see because this guy at least let me buy
Speaker 2: the toy without buying food, but without buying a happy meal.
Speaker 4: But we'll see, We'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this year I'm gonna try to get
Speaker 1: my kids on Santa's Lap, which I've never done before.
Speaker 1: Where and it's probably in West Virginia, which will be
Speaker 1: super interesting. I can't wait to see what the West
Speaker 1: Virginia Santa looks like, just because like we're getting there
Speaker 1: on like the twenty first, we're gonna have like a
Speaker 1: few days to kill. I feel like, yeah, let's like
Speaker 1: go to a dying mall and see Santa, you know, like,
Speaker 1: and I mean obviously i'll post the picks. I just
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to seeing what happens because I can
Speaker 1: tell Oscar's just gonna like they met Chuck E Cheese
Speaker 1: last week two weekends ago, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: told you. And later Rosie was like, did you know
Speaker 1: that Chucky was a human in a suit? And I
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I thought it might be just
Speaker 1: because mice are usually pretty small, and she was like, yes, you're.
Speaker 3: Right, like.
Speaker 1: And then she was going around telling everybody I met
Speaker 1: Chuck e cheese, but he was just a human in
Speaker 1: a suit.
Speaker 2: She also advanced, do you think she's gonna like be no,
Speaker 2: Santa's a fraud too.
Speaker 4: She's gonna catch me early.
Speaker 1: I can tell because I already go, well, we'll see
Speaker 1: what I can I'll see what Santa brings you, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, well, like I just keep
Speaker 1: saying like, I'll see what I can find. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll see what Santa will put on in his workshop,
Speaker 1: you know. Like, so, but do you do any gifts
Speaker 1: from you or it's all Santa? Or are they've a dad?
Speaker 1: They've been so little in the past, like this is
Speaker 1: probably the first Christmas where Rosie will even understand, like
Speaker 1: get like the Santa thing really, so I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll say, oh, this is from us, because you know
Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna get them a couple
Speaker 1: of like bigger things.
Speaker 4: Those will be from us.
Speaker 1: That'll be back at the house when we get back
Speaker 1: from the trip, because like I want to get them
Speaker 1: a little train table. I think that'll like keep them
Speaker 1: occupied and uh and we can't like fly with that obviously,
Speaker 1: so that'll be like, oh, that's from us, but everything
Speaker 1: else will be like from Santa, or like a couple
Speaker 1: of big things from us and everything from Santa, and then.
Speaker 4: They're gonna get be wrapped from that grandparents.
Speaker 1: They're gonna get stuff from you know, my my, my
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters are probably gonna get them shipped, so
Speaker 1: they're gonna have way too much crap.
Speaker 2: You always get them really practical stuff a train table. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's like with the train tracks, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like the I want to get them like yeah, because
Speaker 2: I think that that stuff's also like just it holds up,
Speaker 2: it doesn't break.
Speaker 1: They will play with it for a long time and
Speaker 1: then I'll sell it when I'm done. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: trying not to buy as much garbage plastic that's just
Speaker 1: gonna like go into a landfill when it breaks. Like
Speaker 1: I've bought Rosy two swimming chase dolls and they break
Speaker 1: immediately when she puts them in the bath, I gotta stop.
Speaker 4: Oh damn, that's a bummer.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The swimming Chase cannot swim, in case anyone's thinking about
Speaker 1: it for Christmas.
Speaker 4: He really can't. He moves his little pause as fast
Speaker 4: as he can, but he cannot stay above water.
Speaker 2: Yeah. For when I brought gifts to the kids, I
Speaker 2: got one the Dalmatian and then the girl. Oh those
Speaker 2: are the two Guy and Marshall. I was not about
Speaker 2: to get kids cop shit, you know. And it's weird
Speaker 2: because Chase is like the most popular one. He's kind
Speaker 2: of like the head dog. And then Marshall, I would say,
Speaker 2: and Sky are seconds. Yeah, Marshall is the fire fire.
Speaker 4: Yeah. The Dalmatian we meet? We met, or was I
Speaker 4: with Jared gold Stein?
Speaker 2: I met a Dalmatian in Vermont, And usually dalmation owners
Speaker 2: are like on their own business.
Speaker 4: But this guy was really friendly and like let us
Speaker 4: like he like let us talk to him and stuff.
Speaker 4: I heard a thing about Dalmatians a long time ago.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I've ever brought this up.
Speaker 1: We talked about it, that they're bad, that they're bad
Speaker 1: for kids. No, no, not that what I've heard is
Speaker 1: that Dalmatians are sympathetic dogs, like they need to have
Speaker 1: another Dalmatian with them, and so like after like one
Speaker 1: hundred and one Dalmatians came out, there was like a
Speaker 1: huge like rush to go buy Dalmatian puppies and then
Speaker 1: they were misbehaving and they were bad because they want
Speaker 1: another Dalmatian with them, and everyone was just buying one,
Speaker 1: and then everyone was returning them and there were all
Speaker 1: these Dalmatians at like shelters and this was obviously like
Speaker 1: years and years and years ago, but that like that's
Speaker 1: the deal, like they want to be with another Dalmatian.
Speaker 2: Interesting. This guy was only one, but it was really cute.
Speaker 2: But I was like, I was like, this dog is
Speaker 2: so sweet, Like why does everyone talk shit about Dalmatians
Speaker 2: being like bad? And he goes, well, they're inbread, they're
Speaker 2: gonna have some problems.
Speaker 1: Well speaking of but speaking of by the time this
Speaker 1: episode comes out, I think I'll be allowed to talk
Speaker 1: about it. But my brother and his husband are getting
Speaker 1: a dog and it's a Frenchie and I was like,
Speaker 1: I was like, on brand, yeah, I go. He goes,
Speaker 1: I know it's very gay, and I go, you gotta
Speaker 1: get that insurance. Those things are so inbred they get
Speaker 1: so many problems. And he really is like really super cute.
Speaker 2: He's perfect. I mean, they're perfect little dogs. But yeah,
Speaker 2: they are gonna snore and smile. It's like a really
Speaker 2: special color.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I and he said, the dog's really chilly,
Speaker 1: doesn't bark a lot. But so now they're a little
Speaker 1: concerned because they're like, why is this puppy not like
Speaker 1: wriggly and freaking out and like you know as and
Speaker 1: he has a head tilt, so they're they're they're they're
Speaker 1: gonna get him tested out.
Speaker 4: I think they're gonna te So what could be what
Speaker 4: are they scared of?
Speaker 1: Like that he could be ill or something because he
Speaker 1: doesn't act like the rest of his siblings in the
Speaker 1: litter or whatever, and he's not and he has this
Speaker 1: head tilt like he's always like this.
Speaker 4: A little quiet boy, I know.
Speaker 2: But also what the Dalmatian guy said is they're very
Speaker 2: active dogs, like they need a lot of exercise, and
Speaker 2: so when families get them, they're not they're not giving
Speaker 2: them the proper exercise they need. So of course they're
Speaker 2: misbehaving in the home, like except for about a regular person.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you got to run them. But this dalmation I
Speaker 4: was petting was like very very nice.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I can't believe they're gonna get Wait,
Speaker 1: what's your brother naming the dog? They while they're arguing
Speaker 1: about it, because I think they want to name it Benjamin,
Speaker 1: like Benji.
Speaker 4: They want to call it Benji.
Speaker 1: But then Joe likes Pretzel and like, so they're I know,
Speaker 1: so they're I think they're going back and forth. I'm like,
Speaker 1: my brother Kevin was sending this meme from that show
Speaker 1: Letter Kenny that says, like animals, human names are for humans, Like,
Speaker 1: don't name dogs human names.
Speaker 4: I guess so that would mean she is cute.
Speaker 1: There's a movie, but Pretzel is adorable.
Speaker 2: To ex Colin for me right now saying I vote Pretzel, okay,
Speaker 2: if my vote means anything, I'm voting Pretzel.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: That is so cute because when you first said Benjo's like,
Speaker 2: oh that's cute, and then once Pretzel came out of
Speaker 2: your mouth, there's there's nothing stopping me.
Speaker 4: Hold on, I'm gonna do it. A voice to text.
Speaker 1: I'm podcasting with Lisa right now, and she says her
Speaker 1: vote is for Pretzel.
Speaker 4: He's gonna be mad. Oh uh oh. I heard of
Speaker 4: the Wrath of Colin. But I think it's cute.
Speaker 1: But I also think it's so funny that they're gonna
Speaker 1: get this dog right before we all descend on their
Speaker 1: home for the holidays, Like this new dog's gonna be
Speaker 1: like getting used to his house and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, what's up.
Speaker 4: It's four kids and a.
Speaker 1: Bunch of adults, like in a little house, not a
Speaker 1: little house. It's a big house, but in a house
Speaker 1: not going outside much because it's December. It's just gonna
Speaker 1: be funny.
Speaker 4: It will be funny. How do you think about this?
Speaker 2: I'm going to a birthday party tonight and yesterday I asked, so,
Speaker 2: what's on the menu? What's the vibe? But what am
Speaker 2: I wearing? And I do love this, but a part
Speaker 2: of me is like what. But it's gonna be McDonald's.
Speaker 2: They're getting tons of cheeseburger nuggets and fries, and I'm
Speaker 2: just like that actually tracks for me for this person,
Speaker 2: Like I there's not gonna be any crew to say.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not even a veggie, Like there needs
Speaker 2: to be another option. I love McDonald's. Yeah, And I've
Speaker 2: brought McDonald's to other gatherings that we've been two together,
Speaker 2: but it was like five of them, Like I just yes.
Speaker 2: And for the super Bowl party, like we know someone.
Speaker 2: I remember one time someone came with tons of McDonald's
Speaker 2: and they were a hero. But there's like dozens of
Speaker 2: people and dozens of other options, and it's.
Speaker 1: A super Bowl party in the middle of the day.
Speaker 1: It's like different than like an adult birthday party evening.
Speaker 4: You know, I get it right. I was kind of like, huh, weird.
Speaker 1: I think maybe they're like, it's small, everybody loves this,
Speaker 1: it's easy, let's just fucking do that.
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It kind of tracks for me for this person who's
Speaker 1: like a contrarian and is going to do something that's
Speaker 1: opposite of what you think and what you want. You know,
Speaker 1: you're right, so contrarian. It's honestly, I can't. But what
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna bring pad tie with me, you bring
Speaker 1: your own you bring like your own shrimp cocktail platter.
Speaker 4: You're like just wanted to class it up a little. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 2: It's just I think if you're hosting something, you should
Speaker 2: have other options, but you said it tracks for this part,
Speaker 2: but like you would get there and you'd have.
Speaker 4: Nothing to eat.
Speaker 1: I mean I would eat fries. I guess, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 4: Colin texted me back and said, I admire her bravery.
Speaker 4: I don't really because he knows he's gonna come for me.
Speaker 1: You're dead the next time they come and order duck
Speaker 1: together at a meal, You're dead.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: Before we get started on the episode, because Casey is
Speaker 1: about to kill us, let's just quickly remind you that
Speaker 1: we're gonna be in Seattle on January seventh.
Speaker 4: Come see us. We're at the Wet City Comedy Festival.
Speaker 4: We really love this venue.
Speaker 1: We're at the Crocodile that's also called the Hereafter. It's
Speaker 1: an awesome venue that we've done. We actually some of
Speaker 1: our first live shows were in the small room at
Speaker 1: this place, and I think now we're doing the bigger room.
Speaker 1: So we really want to see you guys there because
Speaker 1: we haven't been to Seattle in yeah, a while, year
Speaker 1: and a half.
Speaker 4: So come see us.
Speaker 1: And the ticket link for that is at that's mess
Speaker 1: uplive dot com. Also in our Instagram bio and uh yeah,
Speaker 1: We hope to see you guys, and thank you to
Speaker 1: everybody who came to see us on tour in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. We had the best time. We love meeting
Speaker 1: you guys, We love performing for you live. It's just
Speaker 1: like truly a treat, So thank you, guys. Lisa, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you have any other words.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope everyone has a festive or non festive holiday,
Speaker 2: whatever you feel like, whether you're eating Chinese by yourself,
Speaker 2: watching you know, succession, or you're flying home to a
Speaker 2: father of the bride's style house and having a full
Speaker 2: blown Christmas. You know, I hope it's either spectrum is
Speaker 2: what you want it to be. I did have a
Speaker 2: moment where I was talking to someone that I know,
Speaker 2: Kat and I casually and I asked about Thanksgiving and
Speaker 2: then he was like, I did nothing.
Speaker 4: I was alone.
Speaker 2: I got high and drunk and watched television and I
Speaker 2: went great. But I'm not asking a follow up.
Speaker 3: That's for.
Speaker 1: We Also, really we also completely ignored Honkkah. I will
Speaker 1: be lighting Honkkah candles with my children. It starts on
Speaker 1: December seventh. But you know, we ago we missed it.
Speaker 1: Were in the time machine. We forgot Hankkah, sorry Honkkah.
Speaker 1: Happy Festivus, Happy Kwanza to everybody for whatever you celebrate,
Speaker 1: whatever you don't. I love you guys, and I love
Speaker 1: the holiday season no matter what you celebrate. So let's
Speaker 1: get a hot chocolate yesterday. I had a hot chocolate
Speaker 1: last weekend.
Speaker 4: It's time. It's just time.
Speaker 1: It's that time of years, time, baby, hot chocolate season.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had a nice hot chocolate at Mels. Oh, I see,
Speaker 1: I get. I like the Starbucks hot chocolate I do.
Speaker 1: I like, you know, what's the best hot chocolate coffee bean.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I would go out of my way
Speaker 1: to go to the Mels for hot chocolate. That's just
Speaker 1: what I You know, got.
Speaker 4: Uh No, you're a huge Mets fan.
Speaker 1: You drive all the way to West Hollywood to get
Speaker 1: their hot chocolate every weekend. Listen, we are starting now
Speaker 1: and we have a great episode for you, guys. This
Speaker 1: is our holiday gift to you. Okay, guys, today we're
Speaker 1: doing an episode I love called Russian Brides. What's wild
Speaker 1: about this episode is I think of this as a
Speaker 1: Neil Barriers episode. I think I think of this as
Speaker 1: like a Season seven Season eight but it is season thirteen,
Speaker 1: a Stabler Free Time episode seven. This came out in uh,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty eleven. The very end it's there's a
Speaker 1: chill in the New York air so uh. The episode
Speaker 1: opens a hot babe is walking through empty New York
Speaker 1: City streets at night, no jacket, just a tight dress.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, and we don't see her face, we just
Speaker 1: see the back of her. Someone with a Russian accent
Speaker 1: pulls up in a car alongside her and is yelling
Speaker 1: ugle ugele with like so they're saying angel but with
Speaker 1: a hard G. And he's like, stop, where do you go,
Speaker 1: little girl? And I hate I hate that. And she's
Speaker 1: getting scared and she starts running and then he's screaming
Speaker 1: at her like no, don't run away. But then it
Speaker 1: gets increasingly mad. He's like get in the car. And
Speaker 1: now she's like running up and down ramps. I think
Speaker 1: there by the beach, it looks like she's going towards
Speaker 1: the water, so desolate.
Speaker 2: I just feel I'm like, yeah, my god, why is
Speaker 2: there not one bodega, one person on a stoop, like
Speaker 2: one light. It's it's so horrifying. This intro really makes
Speaker 2: me scared. It's really scary.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't remember, Like that's what people used
Speaker 1: to ask me, like do you feel unsafe in New York?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm almost never walking on a street where
Speaker 1: there's not other people or lights on or cars going by.
Speaker 1: Like I never felt like I was in dark warehouse
Speaker 1: areas or alleys, you know what I mean. But that
Speaker 1: could have just been my experience. I just like really wasn't.
Speaker 1: And so she's running up at this ramp, but a
Speaker 1: guy like cuts her off, so she runs back the
Speaker 1: other way, and now she's like screaming and we hear
Speaker 1: her screams as this like big guy gets out of
Speaker 1: a car with like a heavy bag and starts walking
Speaker 1: towards wherever this girl is.
Speaker 2: So and it's very horror movie vibes because it's like
Speaker 2: you're running to a port like a rap, like don't
Speaker 2: go by water to people like to swim.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but like it's nothing good is
Speaker 1: happening with a guy walking towards you with like a
Speaker 1: heavy leather bag so hard cuts a daylight. Two guys
Speaker 1: are taking out the trash outside of a restaurant, and
Speaker 1: and I am obsessed with like the silly conversations that
Speaker 1: people are having right before they find the body. It's
Speaker 1: so funny. It's like, oh, my mother in law or
Speaker 1: like whatever. And this one is two guys talking about
Speaker 1: One guy is like, you know, when you're outside, you
Speaker 1: got a brown bag. You're alcohol so you don't get
Speaker 1: a ticket. And his big shark tank idea is designer
Speaker 1: beer bags. He's like suede leather blure, like bling him out,
Speaker 1: and the other guy goes, yeah, they're called koozies, and
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, no, way, Like he was fully ready
Speaker 1: to present the sharks with his idea, and then they
Speaker 1: noticed done done, two legs sticking out from the side
Speaker 1: of the dumpster and undees are around the ankle. That's
Speaker 1: the international sign for call SV. So now Benson is
Speaker 1: on the scene with Warner. This girl has no purse, no.
Speaker 2: Id, and a butterfly tattoo and she's faced down on
Speaker 2: the ground. Yes, she's face down on the ground.
Speaker 1: So the bus boys that found her said the body
Speaker 1: was not there an hour earlier and no one heard
Speaker 1: or saw shit. She was sexually assaulted and then had
Speaker 1: blunt first trauma to the head. They do a countdown
Speaker 1: to flip or over and it is not pretty. On
Speaker 1: the other side, Amar looks like he's about to toss
Speaker 1: his cookies, which we've been talking about different words from
Speaker 1: barf and our live shows, and he goes, what is
Speaker 1: that acid? Like her face is just totally gone, and
Speaker 1: Melinda goes, it's mechanical, not chemical. So she also adds
Speaker 1: that they pulled her teeth as well, and they also
Speaker 1: cut off all her fingertips and this is like one
Speaker 1: of the most brutal body well.
Speaker 2: It remembers me of the TikTok trend, which was supposed
Speaker 2: to be like a joke where it's like women relaxing
Speaker 2: and then in the background, it's like they took off
Speaker 2: her eyes, they took off her finger Ye have seen that,
Speaker 2: and it's like a woman just like painting her nails
Speaker 2: in a robe. Yeah, Like that's like that's like an
Speaker 2: over exaggeration, and it's not in this episode.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it really is brutal. It's it's it's horrible.
Speaker 1: So I wrote Jesus, this one is brutal in capital letters.
Speaker 1: So now Igleayamorrow spots another tattoo on her torso and
Speaker 1: the words are in cyrillic, and he's like, any of
Speaker 1: you guys read Russian, and Benson goes, actually, it's the
Speaker 1: only language I don't speak. So there's no dental for
Speaker 1: this girl, no fingerprints, no face, but they leave the tattoos.
Speaker 1: That's weird, and lives like well, they didn't want us
Speaker 1: to know who she is, but they wanted to make
Speaker 1: sure that someone got the message done done credits. So
Speaker 1: now top of act one, at the precinct, the gang
Speaker 1: is live, Finn and Rollins and they're all downloading Craigan
Speaker 1: on the victim, white late twenties, early thirties, assaulted, sexually murdered.
Speaker 1: No one saw or heard a thing tomorrow had a
Speaker 1: pal in the gang unit. Take a look at the tattoos.
Speaker 1: The butterfly is generic. She just loves Maria Carrey, but
Speaker 1: the other one is of a woman with a smoking
Speaker 1: gun and like some words behind her. And he said
Speaker 1: that one is specific to the Russian mafia and was
Speaker 1: probably done back in Russia. And Olivia goes the mark
Speaker 1: of a prostitute and you know, it's twenty it's twenty eleven.
Speaker 1: She's not saying sex worker yet, but she should be.
Speaker 1: The words in Russian that are printed on the tattoo
Speaker 1: mean mother, forgive me. So the preliminary autopsy came in
Speaker 1: and there was sand on the body. Let's just say,
Speaker 1: I don't want to get this like so graphic all
Speaker 1: of it, but like there's sand like in her canals
Speaker 1: and cuts from glass and debris. So you know, maybe
Speaker 1: she was at a beach or something, and the time
Speaker 1: of death was eight to ten hours before she was found.
Speaker 1: So Kragan's like, so she was murdered on the beach
Speaker 1: and then dumped at the restaurant. It's usually the other
Speaker 1: way around, and live pipes up and goes, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: and I love this. She goes, didn't the emmy get
Speaker 1: sand samples after the Gilgo Beach murders? Hell, yeah, We've
Speaker 1: already covered the Gilgo Beach murders. And she's correct. The
Speaker 1: medical examiners did get a bunch of sand samples because
Speaker 1: they wanted to connect and see, you know, whether the
Speaker 1: victims had been killed in the same place, et cetera,
Speaker 1: et cetera. So Rollins looks at the particle breakdown of
Speaker 1: the sand, because we all know Rollins is like our
Speaker 1: makeshift tear, like when they can't afford to like pay
Speaker 1: a ta roo actor for the day. They're like, Rollins
Speaker 1: is a professional. She looks at the whole sand particle
Speaker 1: breakdown and is like, up, we got lucky. It's from
Speaker 1: a repaired beach, meaning that the city spread the sand
Speaker 1: and there's only three repaired beaches in the area, Rockaway,
Speaker 1: Brighton Beach, and Coney Island, and Brighton Beach is still
Speaker 1: you know, extremely Russian. Amoral points out, which who else
Speaker 1: who wouldn't know that there? Who in that room would
Speaker 1: not know that? Like he's like, yeah, they call it
Speaker 1: Odessa by the Sea. It's like, wow, Amaro, thanks for
Speaker 1: the facts. Like, I know we have to I know
Speaker 1: we have to telegraph that to the audience. But like
Speaker 1: the people in the room, they know about Brighton Beach,
Speaker 1: like John Hurd got was a Russian mob episode in
Speaker 1: like season five or something. Remember, So they've been they've
Speaker 1: been talking to Russian mob people before.
Speaker 2: And Brighton Beach is where all of my trash family lives.
Speaker 2: So they are there, and I can attest that it's
Speaker 2: it's like Chinatown for Russians and Assa is where I
Speaker 2: was born, so and it is like a sea town,
Speaker 2: a party town.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have been to Brighton Beach only once
Speaker 1: with a Russian and it was like we went to
Speaker 1: a Russian restaurant.
Speaker 4: It was fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like it was after a day at Coney Island.
Speaker 4: Damn, that's just a long day.
Speaker 2: Did you go to like old like a Russia, like
Speaker 2: just to sit down restaurant one where there's a band
Speaker 2: playing and it's like NonStop, no band, but.
Speaker 1: It was a sit down. It was like dark and
Speaker 1: like red.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like getting like I guess it's everywhere,
Speaker 2: but people playing like chess on the beach on the Yeah,
Speaker 2: you can get a little pit of skis sure, Like
Speaker 2: I don't know Dowe things with Doe things in it.
Speaker 4: No, mass doesn't.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I would say that I don't like that
Speaker 2: part of a family. I'll say that, Okay, I'm sure listen. Well,
Speaker 2: I always am like it's a sliding doors situation. Like
Speaker 2: I always think if my family moved there instead of Chicago,
Speaker 2: what my life would be like? Right, Like I wonder
Speaker 2: if I would because you don't really assimilate in any
Speaker 2: way because you're just living in a community with all
Speaker 2: your old school people. And it like the people I
Speaker 2: followed that I know, like there was one co counselor
Speaker 2: from fat Camp that's there, and like looking at her photos,
Speaker 2: it's just it's such a different world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wonder what would have happened Brighton Beach, Lisa
Speaker 1: would be it is so close to New York. I
Speaker 1: could have maybe escaped.
Speaker 4: But like I just I wonder, Yeah, I wonder what
Speaker 4: my accent would be, like, oh my god, Yeah, that's
Speaker 4: so funny.
Speaker 2: But the Russian mob is scary. It's all scary. Tim
Speaker 2: Dallen recently was saying, like, like Russia's old school. You know,
Speaker 2: they just exploded a plane a few months ago to
Speaker 2: kill one person. Yes, and he's just like Russia's old school,
Speaker 2: like they don't give a fuck, they'll they'll put.
Speaker 4: Down a whole plane. Yeah, it's scary.
Speaker 1: I mean I know that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Putin will poison you in a different county when
Speaker 2: you least expect it, like it is. I'm even scared
Speaker 2: saying anything on this podcast right now. So I feel
Speaker 2: about scientology. Okay, Oh, but I did get some scoop recently.
Speaker 4: Where did I find it?
Speaker 2: I think I told you in the car during our
Speaker 2: road trip, but that porn stars say that Putin loves
Speaker 2: American porn stars and that porn stars are flown out
Speaker 2: and then he fucks them while seven security guards watch.
Speaker 2: You did tell me that, yeah, so, but that's it
Speaker 2: reminds you of Kim Jong un like loving Dennis Rodman
Speaker 2: in nineties basketball, you know what I mean? Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: they're so against the culture, but then they just like
Speaker 2: want porn in sports? What were our biggest our best sport?
Speaker 2: This is how we have to get putin though. This
Speaker 2: is how we take out Putin.
Speaker 1: Is like we train a porn star to be like
Speaker 1: a Manchurian candidate, you know, like something activates them, and
Speaker 1: they tried.
Speaker 2: It would be fascinate, Yeah, but it would be a
Speaker 2: suicide mission since the seventh security guards watch, So like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you convinced the girl to do that, but.
Speaker 3: Well she had.
Speaker 1: It's has to be like a movie where she can
Speaker 1: take them all out. You know, she's that good. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a movie we're gonna make. But anyway, so
Speaker 1: then Craigan tells them to track down this girl's identity
Speaker 1: using the butterfly tattoo because this other Russian mafia tattoo
Speaker 1: is gonna scare people off so cuts a fin in
Speaker 1: tomorrow at Brighton Beach asking around and guess what, no
Speaker 1: one's talking.
Speaker 2: Baby.
Speaker 1: Finn's like a lot of these people are undocumented, so
Speaker 1: they don't love talking to cops. And it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: they're not gonna open up and tell you anything. And
Speaker 1: Finn says, witnesses are like children. They respond to bribes
Speaker 1: and threats and tomorrow ads and they're easy to trick.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, Zara does seem dumb. Sorry, I
Speaker 1: don't mean to talk badly. She is just a child
Speaker 1: on a television show. Though she doesn't seem the smartest,
Speaker 1: it's not her fault.
Speaker 2: Her parents have no love between them, and the mom
Speaker 2: is constantly deployed, so yeah, and the dad is constantly
Speaker 2: shooting on armed teens, so.
Speaker 4: She's gonna have some issues. But I will agree bribes
Speaker 4: and threats are very effective.
Speaker 1: So now they're at a restaurant, Russian music is playing,
Speaker 1: a blonde woman is yelling at employees and rush and
Speaker 1: I'm like, in my mind, I'm like, Lisa will tell
Speaker 1: me what she's saying. But you said that, It's like
Speaker 1: she's just being like, hurry up, you dumb idiots, Like
Speaker 1: hurry up, there's a party or whatever. So there's a
Speaker 1: hilarious poster on the wall that has like pink laser
Speaker 1: backgrounds of an eighties school photo, and it's all these
Speaker 1: pictures of people that come into the restaurant. I guess
Speaker 1: like my old bar in college had that, just like
Speaker 1: a bunch of like collage pictures of people drinking at
Speaker 1: the bar.
Speaker 4: I feel like my old dentist had that. That's so funny,
Speaker 4: like people just like thumbs uping with their wife. He
Speaker 4: was like he was like a kid dentist. So it
Speaker 4: was just like smiling, cute.
Speaker 1: Kids, cute, I send my never mind. I was like
Speaker 1: I sent my obgui on one Christmas card to be like,
Speaker 1: here are the kids you helped delivered. And I don't
Speaker 1: know if we made the wall.
Speaker 2: Did you see the video of Adele at her concert
Speaker 2: singing and then all of a sudden she starts like
Speaker 2: crying and she notices the doctor that delivered her son
Speaker 2: was in the audience, and she stops singing. She like
Speaker 2: hugs him and makes announce and the it's like full.
Speaker 2: She's very emotional when she sings, and her songs are emotional.
Speaker 2: But there was another clip I saw where she saw
Speaker 2: a mom up in the higher level, like holding a baby,
Speaker 2: like rocking a baby to sleep, and she's just started
Speaker 2: bawling at the idea of that.
Speaker 1: Like she's just very emotional, I think when she sings,
Speaker 1: Oh Love Adele.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 1: From Adele's emotions to this Russian restaurant photo collage, Amaro
Speaker 1: notices that there's one picture where a guy is smiling
Speaker 1: in a woman. We can't see her face, but her
Speaker 1: butterfly tattoo is visible in the shot.
Speaker 4: How perfect.
Speaker 1: So they ask bossy blonde woman what's up, and she goes, nope,
Speaker 1: don't know her, don't speak English. And Finn's like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's call I in s and get some translators down
Speaker 1: here and just shut this place down while we wait
Speaker 1: huge spoilers.
Speaker 4: She speaks Iglish.
Speaker 1: She's like, no, we have a huge party coming in,
Speaker 1: Like I don't need the fuzz shutting me down. Like
Speaker 1: she caves, tells them that her name is Lena and
Speaker 1: that the guy she's with is named Daniel. They had
Speaker 1: their engagement party at the restaurant last Friday, and when
Speaker 1: I was like, show me the receipts. So at the
Speaker 1: Morgue Tomorrow tells Olivia that the girl's name is Lena
Speaker 1: and that the fiance is Daniel Carter, age forty eight.
Speaker 1: He's got two kids in college and runs a nonprofit,
Speaker 1: lives in kIPS Bay. No connection to the mob that
Speaker 1: they can see, and lives like but we know the stats.
Speaker 1: It's like almost always the man in the victim's life.
Speaker 1: And Tomorrow's like, yeah, that's why I believe in divorce.
Speaker 1: When you feel that thing building, you just got to
Speaker 1: get the hell out. And I'm like, you literally let
Speaker 1: your bad marriage fester for years. You didn't get the
Speaker 1: hell out until she got the hell out. Like he's
Speaker 1: such a hypocrite and lives like, oh, your parents divorced.
Speaker 1: Amorro's like, yeah, my dad also liked to beat my mom.
Speaker 1: We had a party the day he left. It was
Speaker 1: one of the best days of my life. Last he
Speaker 1: heard his dad was in Miami. Good riddance we know.
Speaker 1: Later Tomorrow's dad comes back into the picture and he
Speaker 1: says to live TMI and live goes no, and then
Speaker 1: Amarro's like, all right, I guess if we're sharing what
Speaker 1: about your dad and lives Like, uh, We'll say that
Speaker 1: for another time. We don't have time for all that.
Speaker 1: Then Melinda comes in to give us more horrible details
Speaker 1: about this woman's murder.
Speaker 4: The head wound is.
Speaker 1: What caused her death, but they also sexually assaulted her,
Speaker 1: using power tools to sand off her face and sowt
Speaker 1: off her fingertips. But she was dead for most of it.
Speaker 1: And honestly, we knew all this. I don't know why
Speaker 1: we had to come to the Morgan hear it again.
Speaker 1: She's really not telling us anything we didn't already hear
Speaker 1: at the crime scene. So it's just to hammer home
Speaker 1: the horrificness of the crime. So it turns out that
Speaker 1: this fiance his job is running a nonprofit. What does
Speaker 1: the nonprofit do? They build houses for the homeless and
Speaker 1: live goes. That gives him access to power tools, And
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, the entire population has access to power tools,
Speaker 1: like home depots are everywhere, but yes, this man may
Speaker 1: have had extra access to power tools. At Daniel Carter's apartment,
Speaker 1: the super is letting them in and he's he's like
Speaker 1: a weird super character, Like he's like, oh, yeah, Daniel
Speaker 1: and I play chess every day, one move a day.
Speaker 4: It's like, wow, that sounds like thrilling. He knocks on
Speaker 4: the door.
Speaker 1: He's like, mister Carter, no one answers, and he's like,
Speaker 1: what's going on, guys, And you know, Rollins's like he
Speaker 1: asked the questions around here, and Finn's like, open up
Speaker 1: the door or we'll knock it down because he hesitates
Speaker 1: about opening the door. And then Finn and Rollins and
Speaker 1: her guns drawn. The place is clear. They check out
Speaker 1: the very photoshopped photos of Lena and Daniel on like
Speaker 1: vacation and at parties or whatever, and the super is like,
Speaker 1: there's no way he would hurt her. She was his sunshine.
Speaker 1: And they're like, why don't you call him and find
Speaker 1: out where he is? And so the guy calls Daniel
Speaker 1: and Daniel's like, is Lena there? And he's like, uh no, boss,
Speaker 1: there's a package I can't sign for.
Speaker 3: You got to get home.
Speaker 1: And Daniel's like, I can't leave where I am and
Speaker 1: he hangs up on him, and the Super's like he
Speaker 1: sounds scared. So they take the phone to trace the call.
Speaker 1: Next we have tomorrow and live kind of on the scene,
Speaker 1: but the.
Speaker 4: Area is too big.
Speaker 1: They couldn't trace the call to a small enough area,
Speaker 1: so they're ish near where maybe the call came from.
Speaker 1: Live says that Rollins heard kids and music on the
Speaker 1: phone call and lives like, oh, there's a carousel right
Speaker 1: at the end of the pier, So we found a
Speaker 1: body there last fall, and I bet Olivia would have
Speaker 1: a great like bus tour of New York City.
Speaker 4: She'd be like that where we found this body.
Speaker 1: That's where I had a shootout and I almost died
Speaker 1: in front of my son, Like I would totally take
Speaker 1: the Olivia Benson New York City bus tour instead of
Speaker 1: the Sex and the City one.
Speaker 4: So they book it over to the.
Speaker 1: Carousel and the music is playing and they spot Daniel
Speaker 1: and this actor is Timothy Bustfield. He became famous for
Speaker 1: the show thirty something, I think was his big claim
Speaker 1: to fame, but then he later.
Speaker 4: Was on West Wing and Studio sixty.
Speaker 1: So he's a Sorkin head and he's been in a
Speaker 1: ton of stuff, like you recognize him, and they id
Speaker 1: themselves as cops and he's like, no, go away, go away,
Speaker 1: I didn't call you. They'll kill her, and he's like,
Speaker 1: please go away, and lives like serious face tells him
Speaker 1: something bad is going on, and he looks so sad.
Speaker 1: He's like, is she dead? And he starts crying and
Speaker 1: he's like, they said they'd bring her here.
Speaker 4: That was the deal I paid.
Speaker 1: And he's like breaking down, crying on his knees and
Speaker 1: he's just crying. I've been saying I paid, I paid
Speaker 1: over and over again. So this is very sad.
Speaker 4: BacT too.
Speaker 1: At the precinct, they're bringing Daniel into interrogation. The Wooden
Speaker 1: Blind's kind he did just his fiance and our buddy
Speaker 1: Michael Kostroff is there and he plays on many episodes
Speaker 1: of the show defense attorney Evan Brawn. But I think here,
Speaker 1: even though he might be listed on IMDb as that
Speaker 1: it seems he's playing a different character because he's like
Speaker 1: a tax attorney who's just helping his friend.
Speaker 4: He's like friends with Daniel.
Speaker 1: Or maybe he's a tax attorney who then gets a
Speaker 1: taste for criminal law and changes. But I literally wrote
Speaker 1: in my notes, do people change specialties in law like this? Like?
Speaker 4: Does anyone go from tax law to criminal like?
Speaker 2: Later? I feel like so, I think it's like usually
Speaker 2: go from doing the lord's work to money.
Speaker 4: That's the big glass switch.
Speaker 2: They're like, I'm gonna help people, and then they're like,
Speaker 2: get me the fuck out of here, and I want
Speaker 2: to that's what happens.
Speaker 1: So they he's like, listen, this is my friend. He
Speaker 1: lost his wife three years ago. Lena brought him back
Speaker 1: to life. I told him to cooperate with you, but
Speaker 1: go easy on him. And Lives like, yeah, are you
Speaker 1: a criminal attorney? And he's like, tax law, So I
Speaker 1: don't know. And it was like, just tell your guy
Speaker 1: to tell the truth. So in interrogation, Daniel is iding
Speaker 1: the tattoos. He's like, yeah, the butterfly was on her shoulder,
Speaker 1: the smoking gun lady one is on her like Torso
Speaker 1: he's a little embarrassed to admit that they met on
Speaker 1: a Russian bride website called yours Arena dot com and
Speaker 1: liv goes, yeah, we've seen scams through sites like that,
Speaker 1: and he's like no, no, no, no, no, Like look,
Speaker 1: I heard about it from a friend who used to
Speaker 1: go to Russia on business meet eight to ten girls
Speaker 1: from the site. Fuck all of them, marry none of them.
Speaker 1: He goes, my friend was divorced. It was just a
Speaker 1: sex trip for him. He said, you know, I was
Speaker 1: going through a really lonely time, so I just kind
Speaker 1: of started trolling the site. Then I saw Lena's profile
Speaker 1: and there was just something about her a vander Pump
Speaker 1: sandwich shop that will never be open, unfortunately, and they
Speaker 1: chatted over I Am. He said a little bit, Hey see,
Speaker 1: looks worried.
Speaker 2: They're just dealing with a lot of permits because Wes
Speaker 2: Hollywood is crazy.
Speaker 4: The hope they will open. I believe in it. I
Speaker 4: was concerned. I saw that. I'm nervous. I'm nervous.
Speaker 2: We're never They about it in Vegas at the panel
Speaker 2: at Bravocan, they were just like, listen, opening up something
Speaker 2: in West Hollywood is hard. They're like, we have to
Speaker 2: change the water heater. She's like the ship is so boring,
Speaker 2: and she's like it's just taking forever. And that's what
Speaker 2: you hear all the time about people opening restaurants and
Speaker 2: when you see it's like always behind schedule.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Karen doesn't think it's opening. She's a bitch. I
Speaker 4: do I support women.
Speaker 1: I support women women And at that sandwich tasting party
Speaker 1: there were like ten of them. I wanted to try.
Speaker 1: I'm dying for it to open. All drive thirty five
Speaker 1: minutes to get there. I'm just skeptical.
Speaker 4: Can't Lisa push some buttons?
Speaker 2: I know, it's like opening a restaurant. They don't want
Speaker 2: her in five minutes. I don't want to help. I
Speaker 2: don't they want her help at all. But I have
Speaker 2: a Miley Cyrus one. It's Celebs on sandwiches. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you follow that, but they just made one
Speaker 2: for Katie and Arianna with the Greek salad sandwich.
Speaker 4: Ooh, so it's happened, Goddess one. I want to try to.
Speaker 1: Anyway. I'm sorry for doubting the viabil of this vanderbub
Speaker 1: sandwich shop. I do hope it happens. They chatted over
Speaker 1: I am Daniel and Lena a little bit. Because you're
Speaker 1: not allowed to skype or anything. You just like can
Speaker 1: talk an instant messenger and then if you are, if
Speaker 1: you're one of our younger listeners, that was when we
Speaker 1: used to text message through the computer. And he had
Speaker 1: to fly to Moscow to meet her, and she took
Speaker 1: him all around Saint Petersburg, where his family is originally from,
Speaker 1: and then he shows them a super photoshop picture of
Speaker 1: them on his phone, like in front of it, like
Speaker 1: you know, in front of some monument in Saint Petersburg.
Speaker 1: They talked and talked. He said they had a real
Speaker 1: soul connection. And they're like, oh, okay, so was it reciprocal?
Speaker 1: Did you meet her friends and family? And he goes, well,
Speaker 1: she had to be really careful because she'd been in
Speaker 1: an abusive relationship and her ex was stalking her. He
Speaker 1: saw the ex like he was following them, and he
Speaker 1: made a scene one night wanting to get her back,
Speaker 1: and that's when he convinced her to move to America
Speaker 1: with him, and he was happy to get a second
Speaker 1: chance at love. They lived together two months before this disappearance,
Speaker 1: and you know murder, So he says, the night after
Speaker 1: the engagement party, he got a call from kidnappers demanding
Speaker 1: one hundred thousand dollars. He said he only had eighty K,
Speaker 1: but it was his life savings. He didn't even blink
Speaker 1: an eye and paid the ransom. He didn't call the
Speaker 1: police because obviously they said, if you call, the.
Speaker 4: Police will kill her.
Speaker 1: And he dropped the money in a garbage can in
Speaker 1: Brighton Beach and they were supposed to bring her to
Speaker 1: the carousel. He gave them everything he had and they
Speaker 1: still killed her. This is a very sad, sad story.
Speaker 1: They start going through tons of pictures of his trip
Speaker 1: to Russia, asking him like, hey, like, don't focus on
Speaker 1: like your dead fiance that you're obsessed with, Like focus
Speaker 1: on people in the background, Like does anyone look suspicious?
Speaker 4: Maybe you spot the X.
Speaker 1: And there's a scene of them like dancing to some
Speaker 1: musicians in a square and in the background they zoom
Speaker 1: in there's this bald, menacing man taking photos with like
Speaker 1: a sharpshooter. High Kira is the perfect word. This is
Speaker 1: a scary man. Yeah, this guy is scary as fuck
Speaker 1: and he's just like staring at them taking pictures and yeah,
Speaker 1: it's wild.
Speaker 4: No one really knows.
Speaker 1: And they zoom in and Daniel goes, that's him, that's
Speaker 1: the X. So Craigan's like, all right, let's run this
Speaker 1: guy's mug through facial recognition database, which sounds less fun
Speaker 1: than IMDb, inner, pol NCIC, whatever, And then Rollins is like,
Speaker 1: I got a little something on this Zarina website. They're
Speaker 1: hosted by a rogue provider with an office in Manhattan
Speaker 1: that does security called quick Secure, and so I mean
Speaker 1: they just it's like a horrible name for a business.
Speaker 4: At the quick Secure office.
Speaker 1: A nerd is telling them I don't really know anything
Speaker 1: about that site except someone wired in money for it
Speaker 1: from an offshore account. And then like computer whiz kid,
Speaker 1: Rollins is like, okay, cool, so just like give us
Speaker 1: the IP address and the wire info and we'll be
Speaker 1: on our way. And he goes, ah, I can't do
Speaker 1: that because of privacy, and so why don't you come
Speaker 1: back with a warrant, And then Rollins and Finn get
Speaker 1: straight up like bully mode. Finn gets in the NERD's
Speaker 1: face and goes, first, spit that lollipop out before I
Speaker 1: smack it out your mouth, and he goes, you're not
Speaker 1: a five year old, which I love. Like that to me, goes,
Speaker 1: if you puke in my car, I'll kill you. That
Speaker 1: should be on a sweatshirt that you're wearing through the
Speaker 1: airport multiple times. You're not a five year Old's put
Speaker 1: that lollipop out, you fucking punk, and roll let me
Speaker 1: check the NBC store and see if there's a fin merch.
Speaker 1: Rollins is like, hey, punk, you want a warrant, we'll
Speaker 1: bring in the FEDS. And this place is afront and
Speaker 1: your server is illegal, so don't fuck with us, and
Speaker 1: Finn's like, we're gonna shut this down, put your ass
Speaker 1: in jail. Well, you're gonna be sucking on something else.
Speaker 1: And it's like I don't normally love like you're gonna
Speaker 1: get raped in jail jokes. But they're going so hard
Speaker 1: at this little nerd and it is really funny to
Speaker 1: see him just be like uhmember like and he just
Speaker 1: goes all right, I'll help you.
Speaker 4: Don't call the.
Speaker 2: FEDS, and so he right down Malara, did you know
Speaker 2: that there's a Law and Order SVU monopoly?
Speaker 4: No, we gotta get that.
Speaker 2: We have to. But it's like I don't want to
Speaker 2: go to anywhere they go like do I buy Sing Sing?
Speaker 2: Like how does it work?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Like I'm trying to zoom in, but you.
Speaker 1: Got like when you go to jail, they're like you're
Speaker 1: going to Dana Mora, Like what the hell?
Speaker 4: What happens?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I would love to see that. We gotta play.
Speaker 1: So the nerd is like, here's where the last place
Speaker 1: this site was logged into and changed, and he's like
Speaker 1: are we good and they're like yep, all good, and
Speaker 1: then right as they leave, the FED storm in they're like, everybody,
Speaker 1: get drop your computers, and the nerds like, oh, come on,
Speaker 1: you lied to me, and Finn goes yep, and Rollins goes,
Speaker 1: ain't like a bitch, and it's like it's a very funny.
Speaker 1: Rollins and Finn just like fucking with this guy, and
Speaker 1: they fuck him over as well. At the address that
Speaker 1: he gives them, it's a Russian woman behind a desktop,
Speaker 1: insisting that she's running a travel agency. She's like, I
Speaker 1: get you a flight in a hotel. You find the
Speaker 1: bride yourself. She's like, you can check all my shit.
Speaker 1: I have nothing to hide. Meanwhile, right behind her is
Speaker 1: like the shadiest man of all time, trembling looking over
Speaker 1: his shoulder, dragging files to the trash as quick as possible,
Speaker 1: like he's a full cartoon character. Amorrow notices and is
Speaker 1: like hello, and he starts to run. They grab him.
Speaker 1: He runs right out onto like the brighton beach board rock,
Speaker 1: like his business is right there. They're on the boardwalk,
Speaker 1: and then a bunch of cartoon character Russian mobsters are
Speaker 1: just standing there like smoking cigarettes, watching him get arrested,
Speaker 1: like on the boardwalk, in front of everyone. So it's
Speaker 1: very clear, like what's happening here? And now we're an interrogation.
Speaker 1: This guy gets metal bars and he's like, I'm a
Speaker 1: travel agent. I just book flights and it's like sure, Jan,
Speaker 1: And then they show him the photo of the photographer
Speaker 1: in Daniel's photo and he's like, oh, holy shit, you
Speaker 1: guys have no clue who you're dealing with. Do you
Speaker 1: like that guy's a killer? He lives by the code.
Speaker 1: He's vor zeconya, which means thief in law or basically
Speaker 1: the mush the Russian mafia, Like I googled it and
Speaker 1: it was like it translates to thief in law, I guess,
Speaker 1: and then it's that's like the nickname for the Russian mafia.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because in Italian thequin is law. Yeah, I wonder.
Speaker 3: What the oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I think when they say thief in law,
Speaker 1: they basically mean like you're a bad guy, but you
Speaker 1: also like run the town like you you're like it's
Speaker 1: legal to be a bad part, like a criminal.
Speaker 4: Which is I wonder which mob is the word?
Speaker 2: Like if all the mobs came together to do a
Speaker 2: full on battle three hundred style, like who is winning?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because like classically there's Italian, there's Iousa, there's the Yakuza,
Speaker 1: there's Chinese mob, there's Russian.
Speaker 4: Yeah, who knows?
Speaker 2: And like is there a Canadian mob or do all
Speaker 2: these cultures come into Canada and run it, like because
Speaker 2: the Italian mob's here, right, Oh my god, that's so funny. Yeah, wait,
Speaker 2: what do your impression of Big Ange?
Speaker 3: Oh so we just got out of jail for murder.
Speaker 3: It's the best.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's the best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I am so.
Speaker 2: Well because I have like the book set of like
Speaker 2: Russian criminal Tattoo. There's just something that is scary about
Speaker 2: my people, Like I don't know, I am yes, But
Speaker 2: there's an episode of this is actually happening a podcast
Speaker 2: on Onedery and they have an episode of like the
Speaker 2: Yakuza came after me, like they went to Japan and
Speaker 2: got in the mix, like in the mix of something,
Speaker 2: but obviously survived.
Speaker 4: I remember listening to it.
Speaker 1: But isn't there isn't that kind of what Bert Kreischer's
Speaker 1: movie is about. Like he goes to like Prague and
Speaker 1: like fucks with the wrong people and like the mob
Speaker 1: is after him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's the machine, it's Russian, it's Mashina, so
Speaker 2: like yeah, so I don't know, I haven't watched it,
Speaker 2: but that's obviously what got my sister and everyone involved.
Speaker 2: If you do a joke about anything remotely Russian, my
Speaker 2: sister will find it like she loves Dan Soda stretching
Speaker 2: the hashtag like Dan Soder, you have an old ass joke.
Speaker 2: This is so long ago on Conan where it was
Speaker 2: just like if you're in a bad neighborhood and you
Speaker 2: feel nervous if someone fuck so, if you just speak
Speaker 2: in a Russian accent and they will be scared, just
Speaker 2: be like, I'm really bad at accents, but it's.
Speaker 4: Like this is a bad neighborhood and like that. People.
Speaker 1: It's like, people, you can't do a Russian accent.
Speaker 4: I can't do any accents. I'm so bad at it.
Speaker 1: Your Russian accent would just be like imitating your parents
Speaker 1: speaking English.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really bad at imitations and impressions. You've seen
Speaker 2: my accent videos.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, but I just thought of.
Speaker 1: All of them that you'd be able to do Russian.
Speaker 1: And I mean, look, I've heard Jamaic and I've heard
Speaker 1: other ones are not good.
Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know if it's because i'm not
Speaker 2: commit like I'm too embarrassed, like I don't know what
Speaker 2: comes over me, but like I can't commit and I
Speaker 2: cannot do it, and I flop, I flop, but an
Speaker 2: accent impression.
Speaker 4: It just never sounds the way I.
Speaker 1: Want to send you an old web series I did
Speaker 1: where I was a Russian stripper.
Speaker 2: Oh, I think everyone listening would like to see that
Speaker 2: as well. Maybe that's the Instagram the way.
Speaker 1: To publish it. So I'm on the second life.
Speaker 2: So the only iced tea sweatshirt just says Detective Fin.
Speaker 4: Tutuola real street Justice. So that's it.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, they're not obviously getting the nuances of Finns,
Speaker 1: of Finn's vocabulary and catchphrases.
Speaker 4: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Wait, they have flip flops that say done done on
Speaker 2: each flop. That's kind of cute. That's really fun like slides, No,
Speaker 2: like flip flops. Oh like on the deal the gods
Speaker 2: on the foot. All right, so we're back. We're dye
Speaker 2: like to power saw someone's face off, Like that is sick.
Speaker 2: That is a level of sick my brain, Like I
Speaker 2: can't even fathom. Acid is more It seems more chill
Speaker 2: than power sawing. Standing a face off horrible, horrid, and
Speaker 2: this guy looks scary. I mean it is scary. And
Speaker 2: this will also reminds me of Orange is a New Black,
Speaker 2: like with Red you know, yes, yes, yes, Red was
Speaker 2: in too deep. So this guy is like, you don't
Speaker 2: get it. This guy's full Russian mob. If I talk
Speaker 2: to you, he'll kill my family, my friends, my dog.
Speaker 2: And they're like, all right, cool, no problem, We're just
Speaker 2: going to release you right back onto the boardwalk where
Speaker 2: everybody saw your ass get arrested. And he's like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, you're right. And they're like, you help us,
Speaker 2: We'll help you, and he's like, okay.
Speaker 1: The guy's name is Leev Bodrov aka the Butcher, not
Speaker 1: a great nickname. He's wanted on multiple charges of murder, prostitution, racketeering.
Speaker 1: He was doing time in a gulag in Siberia in
Speaker 1: the nineties, but he escaped and he's been on the
Speaker 1: run ever since. Indre Pol says four other murders in Moscow, Johannesburg,
Speaker 1: Vancouver and Munich all fit this mo o.
Speaker 4: And how is he traveling by boat? You don't have
Speaker 4: a passport, how was he getting all? Probably has a
Speaker 4: fake passport and.
Speaker 1: To escape a gulag like fuck man, Yeah, like, how
Speaker 1: did you get through Siberia to fucking back to like civilization?
Speaker 1: You know, it's so scary, it's really terrifying.
Speaker 3: They said.
Speaker 1: In each of these four international murders, the victim was
Speaker 1: found faceless, toothless, fingertipless, no way to trace them, and
Speaker 1: they all had this same mother forgive me tattoo. And
Speaker 1: then they realize, oh, this guy brands them so that
Speaker 1: the mark will know that his arena is dead. So
Speaker 1: now top of ac three live enters this diner and
Speaker 1: she's meeting Daniel, the you know, the fiance of our victim,
Speaker 1: and he's got a cap on. He seems kg and paranoid.
Speaker 1: He says he couldn't risk going to the precinct. He
Speaker 1: did his own search online and he found one of
Speaker 1: my favorite SVU websites. In the SVU canon of horrible
Speaker 1: websites that they make, this one actually is one of
Speaker 1: the looks like one of the best. He finds the
Speaker 1: website russianswans dot com and he finds a profile for
Speaker 1: a woman named Irene and he goes, it's a different
Speaker 1: haircut and a different color, but that's Lena and he goes,
Speaker 1: she's alive and lives like, you don't know when this
Speaker 1: picture was taken.
Speaker 4: He goes, yes, I do.
Speaker 1: Necklace she's wearing in the picture is a necklace I
Speaker 1: gave her at our engagement party.
Speaker 4: So she disappeared the next day.
Speaker 1: So this is a very recent photo that she's dyed
Speaker 1: her hair and already put up a new profile. They
Speaker 1: don't let they don't let a second go by before
Speaker 1: they get her back up on these sites. He knows
Speaker 1: he's been played. They faked everything, and lives like, yeah,
Speaker 1: but we still have a body, so like somebody did die,
Speaker 1: even though your filance might still be alive. So liv goes,
Speaker 1: how do you set up a date on a website
Speaker 1: like this? Cut to tomorrow and Kragan in a walk
Speaker 1: and talk with the heiress to the Cabot Cheese umpire
Speaker 1: Alexandra Cabot. I wish she was, but she's not. They're
Speaker 1: pitching her their idea to set up an undercover detective
Speaker 1: on a date with Irene slash Lena.
Speaker 4: It needs to be her type, older, lonely, with money.
Speaker 1: They need the warrant quickly, and alex is like, cool,
Speaker 1: I'll see if there's any old lonelies that fit your profile,
Speaker 1: and Patty Craigan is like, reporting for duty.
Speaker 4: Put me in coach.
Speaker 1: He goes, I'm gonna take it, and she says when
Speaker 1: was the last time you were undercover? He goes, probably
Speaker 1: before you and Tomorrow were even born, and it's like
Speaker 1: you're not that old, Craigan. And Cabot's like, remember, it's tempting,
Speaker 1: but you cannot fuck the suspect. It will undermine your
Speaker 1: credibility at trial, and it's like it's it's just weird
Speaker 1: the way she says that to him, like, tis Craigan,
Speaker 1: I know you're a horny old guy, but you can't
Speaker 1: fuck these girls. And Craigan's like, okay, Alex, I'll try
Speaker 1: to control myself. At the precinct, they set up a
Speaker 1: computer where Craigan can DM with Irene. They're trying to
Speaker 1: give him tips like he hasn't been doing this since
Speaker 1: the fucking dawn of time, and he's like, I got it.
Speaker 1: So Finn makes a crack that Craigan actually has a
Speaker 1: fat bank account because he's sure a shit ain't buying
Speaker 1: any new clothes, and Craigan's like, thanks for the help, Dix.
Speaker 1: I gotta go get ready for my cyber date, and
Speaker 1: Finn goes, knock it out, Killa and I love that,
Speaker 1: and Craigan goes, I heard that, and it's They're having
Speaker 1: a cute friendship day at the precinct. At the Duchess
Speaker 1: Hotel in Midtown, Craigan is at the bar Rollin's is
Speaker 1: undercover as a slut. She's like leaning over at the bar,
Speaker 1: drinking a flirty face. She's telling Craigan like, remember the
Speaker 1: goal is get her up to your room. And she's like,
Speaker 1: you'll do fine, you look great, and he's like that.
Speaker 1: It's like she's relentless, like she just has to flirt.
Speaker 1: And it's like but I do think that gave Craigan
Speaker 1: a little boost, you know. And Betti was like, okay,
Speaker 1: Roland says, I look hot. Irene walks up and we
Speaker 1: find out that Craigan is undercover as someone named Michael.
Speaker 1: And this actress that plays Irene slash Lena is Isabella
Speaker 1: Miko and she's actually Polish and she's been in a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff and other Dick Wolf stuff like Chicago Fire,
Speaker 1: I think, but she was in Coyote Ugly Are Is
Speaker 1: that a movie that means anything to you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I watched it and the song Lehne rhymes yes,
Speaker 4: I love that.
Speaker 1: And I think she's in the video for camp Bite
Speaker 1: the Moonlight, because I think the video is part of
Speaker 1: the movie.
Speaker 4: But she's like the hot blonde girl that works at
Speaker 4: the bar. So I love this.
Speaker 1: He tells her how pretty she is. He says, I've
Speaker 1: got a face for radio. She's like, you have kind eyes.
Speaker 1: It's going, it's going great. Just from the jump. Craigan
Speaker 1: has a Club soda, confesses he doesn't drink, and Irene
Speaker 1: is like, wow, new experience is a man who doesn't drink,
Speaker 1: and then she ordered an orange juice.
Speaker 4: It's like, girl, you don't have to have an OJ,
Speaker 4: Like it's not a breakfast date. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've never ordered an orangejuice at a bar in my
Speaker 1: entire life. Like I would say, can I have a soda?
Speaker 1: Can I have club soda with cranberry something? This is
Speaker 1: weird an OJ at a nighttime hotel bar.
Speaker 4: So they're chatting.
Speaker 1: He's making up that he works for the children's rights coalition.
Speaker 1: He's saying standing up for victims who have no voice
Speaker 1: is his job. He says he worries about his staff.
Speaker 1: The work takes a toll on them, you know, the
Speaker 1: camera cutstaffin and Benson obviously like his children that are
Speaker 1: traumatized by the day to day work they have to do.
Speaker 1: Finn is staring straight at Kragan during this like he
Speaker 1: has zero chill. He's just at the bar, staring at
Speaker 1: their date. Irene is like, it sounds like you worry
Speaker 1: about the children and you worry about your staff, But
Speaker 1: who worries about you? And he admits he was married,
Speaker 1: but he's a widower and Marge was his wife. He
Speaker 1: lost her a long time ago. They had no children.
Speaker 1: There was a miscarriage. They tried to adopt, but he
Speaker 1: was just too busy all the time. And it's his
Speaker 1: biggest regrets.
Speaker 2: And you can see live can hear what he's saying
Speaker 2: to her and the mic and she might be the
Speaker 2: only one like she's listening to it in in your piece.
Speaker 4: And she goes, you're a man. It's not too late
Speaker 4: be a seventy year old dad. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Robert de Niro's doing it. So now Craigan is like,
Speaker 1: enough of my violins, what's your deal? Sis? And she goes,
Speaker 1: I just want to have fun tonight. I don't really
Speaker 1: want to tell you my SOB story. So they're flirting,
Speaker 1: they're clicking, they're vibing.
Speaker 4: He says.
Speaker 1: One of my favorite lines that he says is one
Speaker 1: of his bartender's old lines, you don't have to go home,
Speaker 1: but you can't stay here. And she goes, I don't
Speaker 1: want to go home, and he's like, I've got a
Speaker 1: room upstairs with a great view of his duke.
Speaker 4: So they go upstairs.
Speaker 1: She kisses him in the hallway and he kind of
Speaker 1: pulls away and he goes, I'm a little old fashion,
Speaker 1: and she's like, but you got a room, and this
Speaker 1: immediately tips her off. She's suspicious. She goes, let's do
Speaker 1: a second date and starts to leave. Craigan like radios
Speaker 1: into his sleep.
Speaker 4: She's on the move.
Speaker 1: She's on the move, Go Go Go, Rollins and fans
Speaker 1: stop her before she can get out of the hallway,
Speaker 1: and she's like, please, you don't understand. You can't arrest me.
Speaker 3: You don't understand.
Speaker 4: You have to help me.
Speaker 1: She's like, please, whoever you are, like looking Craigan straight
Speaker 1: in the face, like our connection is real, help me.
Speaker 1: So Tapa back four. They're in the hotel room, Finn
Speaker 1: is telling Kragan. He's like, don't have a drink, Captain,
Speaker 1: I know that's what you want. And he's like upset
Speaker 1: because he's like at the end, she made me like
Speaker 1: he's really upset that she made him like figured out
Speaker 1: he was a cop. And so next they're in another
Speaker 1: hotel room and they're explaining to Irene, we don't even
Speaker 1: want you.
Speaker 4: It's Leev.
Speaker 3: We want.
Speaker 1: We can relocate you, we can do witness protection, we
Speaker 1: can help you, and she's like, you don't understand. I
Speaker 1: have a daughter and Leev already has her. He's going
Speaker 1: to kill her if he finds out I'm with the police.
Speaker 1: And this is how he controls people. He runs the
Speaker 1: mail order Bride sites here and in Russia, and it's
Speaker 1: just a front for his blackmail operation and for prostitution.
Speaker 1: Liv goes, okay, tell us how the scam works, and
Speaker 1: it's like, I think we all get it. I think
Speaker 1: we all have figured it out. At this point, she goes, okay,
Speaker 1: I meet wealthy men on the site. I make them
Speaker 1: fall in love with me. I tell them about my
Speaker 1: jealous ex and then I get kidnapped and they pay
Speaker 1: a ransom and Leev takes their money, and Finn's like,
Speaker 1: but you forgot about how he kills and disfigures girls
Speaker 1: that are supposed to be you. She goes, at first,
Speaker 1: I didn't know that he was killing the girls. And
Speaker 1: apparently they're like just random sex workers who work for Liev.
Speaker 1: That they're legal, no one, they have no family, no
Speaker 1: one's gonna quote unquote miss them. And so the Russian
Speaker 1: tattoo is his brand, that's why he does that. And
Speaker 1: then the butterfly she had that from before, and Leev
Speaker 1: told her it made her look like it made her special.
Speaker 1: So lives like, well, I guess you are special because
Speaker 1: you live and they die and pretty horrifically. So Irene's like,
Speaker 1: I beg to stop. He won't let me. He says,
Speaker 1: I'm the best.
Speaker 4: He has me trapped.
Speaker 1: He moves my daughter from country to country, so I
Speaker 1: have no idea where she is at any given time.
Speaker 1: Every once in a while he lets me see her
Speaker 1: for a few hours in a safe house, then he
Speaker 1: just takes her away again. She's like, where's my phone,
Speaker 1: I'll show you, and then she shows them the picture
Speaker 1: of her little daughter named Anna. Robins checks on Iread's record.
Speaker 1: She's in the States on an expired work visa but
Speaker 1: has no in Russia, like no criminal record, and she
Speaker 1: does back it up that she has a four year
Speaker 1: old daughter.
Speaker 4: As far as Leev.
Speaker 1: Knows, she's like fucking quote unquote Michael right now, Daddy Craigan,
Speaker 1: So he doesn't yet know that she's been intercepted by
Speaker 1: the police. They go talk to her. They're like, girl,
Speaker 1: you're in big trouble. Help yourself by getting by helping us.
Speaker 1: She's like, I want my daughter back. They're like, okay,
Speaker 1: you gotta tell us everything. You got to testify. She's
Speaker 1: like fuck no, And Craigan's like, all right, well, then
Speaker 1: what would the next step be in our whole encounter tonight?
Speaker 1: And she's like, well, I would call him and tell
Speaker 1: him that I have a big fish on the hook.
Speaker 1: And so they're like, all right, call him and set
Speaker 1: it up. So now cut to the next day. They're
Speaker 1: at the frying Pan, which, excuse me, is one of
Speaker 1: my favorite little places to go to in New York
Speaker 1: and I was just there in July, and it is
Speaker 1: a very random place for this all to go down,
Speaker 1: But I can see why they did it. It's a
Speaker 1: big open space bar that is really close to their studios.
Speaker 1: It's near Chelsea Peers, so it's very close to the
Speaker 1: SPUs studios.
Speaker 4: I bet that's why they're there.
Speaker 1: Everyone is sitting around alone. All the cops are sitting
Speaker 1: at separate tables with like a half drunk beer, just
Speaker 1: by themselves, like no one's even pretending to have any friends.
Speaker 4: And Lena is like talking to Craigan.
Speaker 1: They're at a table pretending to be cozy, and she's like,
Speaker 1: I know you think I'm a dirty liar, but we
Speaker 1: have to look like we want to fuck, So could
Speaker 1: you really smile and get closer to me? And she's like,
Speaker 1: I'm going to kiss you, and she goes in for
Speaker 1: a long kiss and then says thank you for helping
Speaker 1: me get my Anna back. So she's still like trying
Speaker 1: to charm Cragin. They spot leav entering the bar and
Speaker 1: he looks.
Speaker 2: Like, you mean, there is not to be rude, but
Speaker 2: it is just such a psyche of like men where
Speaker 2: it's like Lena doesn't like you, you know, and he's undercover.
Speaker 2: But it's this idea that these do like, of course
Speaker 2: there's a scam, you're on a site to find someone
Speaker 2: that's so hot, Like, what do you think is going
Speaker 2: on here?
Speaker 4: It is confusing, but this.
Speaker 1: Is how they got him in the Carissa episodes, right
Speaker 1: because he felt, really he felt even just having somebody
Speaker 1: to talk to.
Speaker 2: I think he's just been lonely for such a long time.
Speaker 2: And I'm not hating on Kragan. I'm hating on like
Speaker 2: dudes that go into this full faith, like, yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna get the hottest woman in Russia and she's
Speaker 2: gonna be obsessed with me and happy with our lives.
Speaker 4: And it's like, what is going on in your brain?
Speaker 2: That is you know, because this is my big theory,
Speaker 2: Like when women are not finding a partner or like
Speaker 2: they can't get it together, it's like, what's wrong with me?
Speaker 4: And when men can't get someone, it's like, well, what's
Speaker 4: wrong with the world, what's wrong with all women?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I gotta go mass shoot, you know, and it's
Speaker 2: like it is so wild, Like I just I just
Speaker 2: feel I would be suspicious.
Speaker 4: I'd be like what's going on here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, for these dudes, they're like absolutely someone like Lena
Speaker 2: would want to be with me. Yeah, this makes sense,
Speaker 2: And you know, obviously everyone has a lot to offer
Speaker 2: in different ways.
Speaker 4: It's just like, I don't feel bad for these guys
Speaker 4: that are tricked. I do I do, I do? I do? Well?
Speaker 1: Well, your point gets reiterated, I think at the end.
Speaker 4: Hold on. So this guy walks in Liev. He is
Speaker 4: such a scary motherfucker.
Speaker 1: But he's also wearing a white turtleneck, so it's an
Speaker 1: interesting wardrobe choice.
Speaker 2: And the like.
Speaker 4: The cops around him. He immediately like makes the cops.
Speaker 1: He sees Rowlins, he sees Tomorrow with their half drunk beers,
Speaker 1: and he's like these are cops, Like he can like
Speaker 1: tell immediately cops around him.
Speaker 4: They're like, so there's nowhere to run.
Speaker 1: He shoots at Tomorrow and then Rollin shoots him like
Speaker 1: dead in the chest, and Lena comes running.
Speaker 4: Over like no, no, no, no, no, where's my daughter?
Speaker 3: Where is she?
Speaker 1: Whears Anna, and they're like let go, like he's dead.
Speaker 1: She's devastated. She's like we'll never find her. His soldiers
Speaker 1: will kill her. And then Liev's phone rings in his
Speaker 1: pocket and it's a text in Russian saying where do
Speaker 1: we meet and saying we have Anna. Wow, she's in
Speaker 1: New York. What a great coincidence. So she remembers one
Speaker 1: safe house location in Brighton Beach. So obviously the plan
Speaker 1: is send this this soldier with Anna to this safe
Speaker 1: house and we'll go intercept her.
Speaker 4: At the safe house location.
Speaker 1: The cops and tons of backup invests and like the
Speaker 1: whole gear are moving in on the safe house. Craigan
Speaker 1: is in the back of a car with Lena, like
Speaker 1: a cop car. Tons of shots ring out and they
Speaker 1: say and we hear officer down. So Craigan leaves, Lena
Speaker 1: rushes in. The officer that's down is Finn, but his
Speaker 1: bulletproof vest caught the bullet, so whew, crisis averted. Finn
Speaker 1: is fine. Liv says, I searched the whole house. Room,
Speaker 1: my room, no sign of the kid. We hear more
Speaker 1: shots fired. They go outside and holy shit, the cop
Speaker 1: that was in the driver's seat of the car that
Speaker 1: Lena and Craigan were just in is dead, like shot
Speaker 1: in the head.
Speaker 4: She's gone, and she must have his gun. How did
Speaker 4: she get it from him?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know, there's no great like maybe they're
Speaker 1: not in one of those cop cars that has the
Speaker 1: great I thought they all did live radios it in
Speaker 1: and then goes, I want this bitch caught now, and
Speaker 1: Live is activated, like it is hilarious. There is a chase.
Speaker 1: Lena's running down all these corridors. They're following her. They're
Speaker 1: in alleys behind the houses, they're following her. Tomorrow's chasing her,
Speaker 1: corners her, but she's trying to climb through a hole
Speaker 1: in the fence. She gets through, but Craigan and Liver
Speaker 1: on the other side they run up on her. She's caught,
Speaker 1: but she has this slide grun on her face and
Speaker 1: she starts staring at Craigan and like smiling as they
Speaker 1: cough her. So you kind of know she's psychoed. But
Speaker 1: it's like, bitch, you're still going to jail. You just
Speaker 1: killed a cop, Like you're going to jail forever. So
Speaker 1: back at the precinct, liv is filling Daniel Carter in
Speaker 1: on the whole scam, and it turns out Lena did
Speaker 1: have a daughter, but the daughter was murdered four years ago.
Speaker 1: Leev killed the killers and so she's been in his
Speaker 1: debt ever since and they work as a team. So
Speaker 1: she took the story of manipulated them. Yeah, So he's like, like,
Speaker 1: you're saying maybe he made her do it, Like, there's
Speaker 1: no way she scammed me.
Speaker 4: This hot lady wants to be with me.
Speaker 1: She's not a killer, like you know, it's like what
Speaker 1: you're talking about. So they're like, bro, she shot a
Speaker 1: twenty two year old police officer at point blank range,
Speaker 1: like and killed him. They're like, maybe Leev brought her
Speaker 1: into the game, but she's fully crossed over. There's another
Speaker 1: side to her, he says. And it's like, you're like
Speaker 1: I felt bad for you at the beginning, but now
Speaker 1: it's like you're being obtuse, like stop, and Craigan's like,
Speaker 1: I believe you. I believe you saw the other side
Speaker 1: because I feel like maybe Craigan's like I kind of
Speaker 1: saw the other side, but it's like she was playing you,
Speaker 1: and so the guy just Craigan going, I believe you.
Speaker 1: The guy goes all right, I'll testify whatever you need,
Speaker 1: Like he pullably just drops it that she might still
Speaker 1: be like in love with him and be innocent, and
Speaker 1: he leaves and Craigan stops live before she walks out
Speaker 1: of the office and goes, hey, so about all that
Speaker 1: stuff I said on the wire, like about you know,
Speaker 1: he doesn't say this but you know he's referring to
Speaker 1: like all this stuff about the miscarriage, the loneliness, the
Speaker 1: actual the widow. She goes what stuff and then he
Speaker 1: goes okay, and she just walks out and it ends
Speaker 1: on like a slow zoom out of Craigan just in
Speaker 1: his office, all alone.
Speaker 4: And that's Dick wolf Baby. Yeah.
Speaker 1: A lot of twists and turns. Wow, a lot of
Speaker 1: wild horror.
Speaker 2: And what a perfect casting of that bald many scary.
Speaker 1: He doesn't really work much, but I feel like he
Speaker 1: could have been in like every major motion picture is
Speaker 1: just like Hired Gun number four. Yeah, terrifying. Oh god,
Speaker 1: his daughter's already dead.
Speaker 4: This is wild.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well listen to our ads and we're gonna do
Speaker 2: some crime stuff, all right, great, bye, Okay, so this
Speaker 2: is based on like a crime, but I guess I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna touch on like bride scams, just a real quick,
Speaker 2: little i'm tidbit. So they're called the Boris and Natasha scams.
Speaker 2: So I really am interesting. I love that, And so
Speaker 2: like a quick Google, like the big letter definition right
Speaker 2: on Google is when a lonely American man believes he
Speaker 2: has found a beautiful woman to marry, except Natasha ends
Speaker 2: up being a Boris lol.
Speaker 4: So that's the scam.
Speaker 2: And then they're also known as romance scams, which seems
Speaker 2: less offensive than Boris and Natasha. It's very Alexia from
Speaker 2: Miami Housewives. I don't know if you remember when she
Speaker 2: called all Russian women prostitutes and then double down and
Speaker 2: then it is one of the only things she regrets
Speaker 2: on Watch What Happens a lot. But I bet in
Speaker 2: the office of the FBI they're still like, we got
Speaker 2: another Boris and Natasha.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 2: So a romance scam, I'm sure we all know, is
Speaker 2: when you meet someone special on a dating site or app.
Speaker 2: They claim it's true love, but they live far away,
Speaker 2: and then they start asking you for money for like
Speaker 2: a plane ticket or you know, an emergency surgery or
Speaker 2: whatever it is. And we're living in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: we understand this concept. TLC has made a full schedule
Speaker 2: on this concept, so you know, I think it's more
Speaker 2: in the zeitgeist now than ever, like with catfish. The
Speaker 2: Federal Trade Commission states that in twenty twenty one, five
Speaker 2: hundred and forty seven million dollars in losses to romance
Speaker 2: scams and in twenty twenty two, nearly seventy thousand people
Speaker 2: reported a romance scam.
Speaker 4: So that's a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I just watched The Tinder Swindler a couple
Speaker 1: of months ago, and it like, you know, you think
Speaker 1: it's like they're scamming like idiots. Sometimes it's just like
Speaker 1: Gal's looking for love. You know, Yes, that was a guy.
Speaker 1: That was a guy doing the scamming. Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: Tindler Swindler saw these people in person. They did meet
Speaker 1: up and then then he loved.
Speaker 2: Then he moved away because he had like you know,
Speaker 2: special ops jobs or something, or he was so rich
Speaker 2: and had to hide out.
Speaker 4: But these is like you don't even see these people.
Speaker 4: You don't even know. It's just like a fucking photo.
Speaker 2: They also ask for money in like really fast ways,
Speaker 2: so like that you can that you can't get back.
Speaker 4: So it's been gift cards.
Speaker 2: There's been a surge of gift cards, and then it's
Speaker 2: like Western Union type things, money wires, ask for pin codes,
Speaker 2: money transfer apps, and of course crypto is a part
Speaker 2: of all of this. But it has to they you know,
Speaker 2: they need the money fast and there's no way you
Speaker 2: can get it back. The Trade Commission's advice is never
Speaker 2: send money or gifts to a sweetheart you haven't met
Speaker 2: in person.
Speaker 4: Did everyone get that?
Speaker 2: And once these boris types get the money, they disappear
Speaker 2: and all communication and it leaves the victims broken hearted
Speaker 2: and broke. So that is what happens. At least, you know,
Speaker 2: our dude Daniel get to fuck for a little bit,
Speaker 2: all right. So this whole case is everyone's name is
Speaker 2: so hard, Okay. So this happened in LA and the
Speaker 2: LA area, so it's a hometown crime for us. So
Speaker 2: one guy is Jurijus Kadamovas and the other guy is
Speaker 2: Yuri Mkhale and so that's it. So Katamos is a
Speaker 2: they're both Soviet, but he is Lithuanian, a Lithuanian immigrant,
Speaker 2: and he was living in Sherman Oaks and Mikhale is
Speaker 2: Russian and he was living in Encino. So these two
Speaker 2: guys one YouTube video because I was trying to find
Speaker 2: videos where they would say their names out loud and
Speaker 2: I couldn't. But this year was Soviet serial killers who
Speaker 2: terrorized Los Angeles.
Speaker 1: That was like the name of the video. Pretty wild.
Speaker 2: So these two they abducted, held hostage and killed five
Speaker 2: people between two thousand and one and two thousand and two.
Speaker 2: Their victims were Meyer Muscatl fifty eight years old, Nick
Speaker 2: Karabadze twenty nine, Alexander Umanski thirty five, Rita Peckler thirty nine,
Speaker 2: and George Safiav thirty seven. So they targeted Russian immigrants
Speaker 2: and dumped their bodies in a reservoir outside of Yosemite
Speaker 2: National Park in like a remote reservoir. They would put
Speaker 2: weights onto the bodies before dumping them so they would sink.
Speaker 2: These guys were like they're described as San Fernando Valley
Speaker 2: businessmen in their forties, and they cooked up this play
Speaker 2: and this murder plot while they were operating an aquarium
Speaker 2: store on Ventura Boulevard, which I don't know, like aquariums
Speaker 2: usually calmed me down, So I don't know why that's
Speaker 2: the place they got hopped up to do these vicious crimes.
Speaker 2: But they would lure their victims with offers of business
Speaker 2: deals and then demand money from their families and then
Speaker 2: strangle them.
Speaker 4: And so they went after people that would have some money.
Speaker 2: There was always duct tape, zip ties, sedative drugs, and
Speaker 2: the death was always by strangling After the killings, they
Speaker 2: loaded the bodies into their mini van and drove five
Speaker 2: hours north to like the new Maloney's reservoir, and that's
Speaker 2: where they would dump the bodies. Muscatel was a real
Speaker 2: estate developer, that is one of the victims, and he
Speaker 2: went to mchaeale's and Sino home expecting to discuss a
Speaker 2: real estate deal. That's the thing, It's like, this isn't
Speaker 2: this isn't a love scam. It isn't like, come on
Speaker 2: do this. It is really like they catered the meetings
Speaker 2: to these people's businesses, and so it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: we want to talk about this, and I could just
Speaker 2: see any person being like, oh great, Like if you're
Speaker 2: a freelancer or you're a real estate like, I could
Speaker 2: just see being like, oh, of course, I'm going to
Speaker 2: stop by this house and let's talk. But yeah, So
Speaker 2: this guy showed up to the house expecting to talk
Speaker 2: real estate and said he was beaten bound and then
Speaker 2: killed when the abductors realized he wasn't that rich. Safeyev
Speaker 2: disappeared January twentieth, two thousand and two, from his Beverly
Speaker 2: Hills office. During his disappearance, his business manager received ransom
Speaker 2: calls instructing them to transfer nearly one million dollars. And
Speaker 2: this is according to the US Attorney's Office as reported
Speaker 2: by CNN. And Umanski was kidnapped when he met Kadamoves
Speaker 2: to sell him equipment for his car in December. Like
Speaker 2: let's what I mean, Like all of these are so
Speaker 2: tailor made for the person. Yeah, So that was December thirteenth,
Speaker 2: and then the next day his father, Reuven I think
Speaker 2: it's ruvain probably. So the next day his father went
Speaker 2: to the office and discovered three identical ransom notes that
Speaker 2: were faxed demanding two hundred and thirty four thousand, six
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty eight dollars.
Speaker 3: Why is that random?
Speaker 4: Specific?
Speaker 1: What maybe they thought that maybe they thought in a
Speaker 1: weird way that banks like wouldn't flag it if it's
Speaker 1: not like a round number, like it's not two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars, but like that is really random.
Speaker 1: So random, that's all I can think of.
Speaker 2: The victim's brother, Michael, also received the same note at
Speaker 2: his home. Facts and it's early two thousands, where Facts
Speaker 2: is still a thout.
Speaker 4: You're still faxing they were because.
Speaker 2: I was working in data entry I remember, okay, so,
Speaker 2: and that was in San Francisco that same day, and
Speaker 2: the FBI said that all four faxes were sent from Russia,
Speaker 2: though they could not pinpoint the location. So four days later,
Speaker 2: his family paid ninety thousand dollars in ransom by wiring
Speaker 2: them money from a bank in New York to a
Speaker 2: branch of that same bank in Dubai. And then that
Speaker 2: same day he called his brother to ask whether the
Speaker 2: money had been sent, and it was the last time
Speaker 2: the family heard from him, So they did get to
Speaker 2: speak to the brother one last time.
Speaker 4: And then this is according to the FBI.
Speaker 2: And then December twenty seventh, after being a hell, told
Speaker 2: that they wouldn't hear from Mumanski till they got the
Speaker 2: full ransom they wired about like one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: five thousand dollars. Peckler was a financial consultant and she
Speaker 2: was targeted because her captors thought she could lead them
Speaker 2: to wealthy clients. And so Safeyev and Carbodze they were
Speaker 2: lured both to the aquarium store to talk about a
Speaker 2: film production deal. You know, like I said, very specific,
Speaker 2: they got caught. So that's the information that I was
Speaker 2: able to get on the victims, so back to the
Speaker 2: perpetrators of the crime. They got caught because authorities traced
Speaker 2: an electronic ransom payment to them. The wire transfer showed
Speaker 2: the money being sent to an account named Designed water Worlds, Inc.
Speaker 2: And earlier that year, both of the killers each applied
Speaker 2: for ten million dollar life insurance policies and identified themselves
Speaker 2: as co owners of the Designed water World.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you're gonna make a mistake. And after their
Speaker 2: arrest in two thousand and two, these guys devised a
Speaker 2: plan to escape using a tunnel out of their cells.
Speaker 2: But also, like, how do you put them in the
Speaker 2: same prison, like near each other, in the same cells,
Speaker 2: Like they were clearly not good together. They were gonna
Speaker 2: like break fences and the motorcycles would be waiting for them.
Speaker 2: That obviously did not happen, but they were charged. They
Speaker 2: were charged for escape, like escape planning. So their defense
Speaker 2: attorneys argue that they're not killers and that underlings did
Speaker 2: the killing, and those underlings just named these guys to
Speaker 2: lighten their sentence in the deals and prosecutors are just like, yeah,
Speaker 2: you would still be in trouble. It's such a funny
Speaker 2: defense to be like, no, no, we didn't kill. We
Speaker 2: made the underlings kill. Like you're still just like the
Speaker 2: same with Charles Manson, he still was in jail for
Speaker 2: his whole life. Yeah, so you know, I guess you
Speaker 2: got to pull up straws when you're trying to defend
Speaker 2: when all the evidence is right there.
Speaker 4: So prosecutors are like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you two men led the group whose goal was
Speaker 2: to mass the fortune by kidnapping affluent business people. You're
Speaker 2: not off the hook. According to the prosecution, the men
Speaker 2: got a little more than a million dollars. I think
Speaker 2: it was like one point two million in total, so
Speaker 2: not very much or a lot. I mean, it's a
Speaker 2: lot of money, but like not for five for killing
Speaker 2: five people.
Speaker 1: Yeah, their goal was to get fifty million.
Speaker 2: So and they end quote there they have enough bodies
Speaker 2: to discard that they were in quote were stacked on
Speaker 2: top of each other and that was The Orange County
Speaker 2: Register reported that so these were like classic Russian mob vibes.
Speaker 2: I feel of like no mercy, no soul, no like
Speaker 2: no nothing like they wanted to fully I bet yeah,
Speaker 2: if they were alive, we know what jobs they would
Speaker 2: be doing in the thirties and forties. Okay, so like
Speaker 2: they wanted a pit of people in the reservoir, so
Speaker 2: many dead that it would come up top like creepy.
Speaker 2: The victims were killed also regardless of whether the Ransoms
Speaker 2: were paid or not, and that's really similar to the episode.
Speaker 2: So they had no intention of leaving anybody alive, ever,
Speaker 2: with money or not. In two thousand and seven, a
Speaker 2: federal jury convicted them of hostage taking resulting in death
Speaker 2: and many other charges, and then the judge sentenced them
Speaker 2: to death five years after the authorities began finding the bodies.
Speaker 4: The judge another wild name, Dick Ran Tevercian. I don't know.
Speaker 4: I thought you would giggle, Dick Ran.
Speaker 2: Dick Ran is a crazy yeah, Dick Ron to Vrisian. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so I was just it was just not funny. But
Speaker 2: for me it was like, Okay, the killers have names
Speaker 2: that are hard. The victims and you know, have hard
Speaker 2: names to pronounce. And now the judge is Dick Ran,
Speaker 2: like what is this case? So the judge said that
Speaker 2: these perpetrators showed no mercy, and that's according to the
Speaker 2: Orange County Register. And then Los Angeles Daily News reported
Speaker 2: that a prosecutor from the US Attorney's Office Susan DeWitt
Speaker 2: said that the defendants killed them in cold blood, with
Speaker 2: cold blood a deliberation. The motive was money. Abducting for
Speaker 2: ransom was their business. Like it wasn't a side hustle,
Speaker 2: it was their main hustle. The aquariums was the fake front. Yeah,
Speaker 2: their defense attorney tried to portray them as hard working
Speaker 2: immigrants who just wanted to open a boutique aquariums store
Speaker 2: in Ventura Boulevard. The jury deliberated for less than ten hours.
Speaker 2: They heard testimony, including from three co conspirators who earlier
Speaker 2: pled guilty. So these are like the underlings and stuff,
Speaker 2: and they all pled guilty to the roles in the scheme.
Speaker 2: One of the guys is Petro Kroi lov And he
Speaker 2: was Ukrainian and at at thirty five years old at
Speaker 2: the time he got sentenced to four consecutive life terms.
Speaker 4: In court, he.
Speaker 2: Argued that Mikhail and Kasamovas threatened to harm his family
Speaker 2: if he did not help them with the kidnapping and
Speaker 2: ransomplot but he was found guilty as hell anyways, Like
Speaker 2: it didn't really help, and especially since one of the victims, Umanski,
Speaker 2: was his former boss at a stereo shop with whom
Speaker 2: he had a falling out with after being fired, but
Speaker 2: he escaped the denth penalty, not like his friends, and
Speaker 2: so a total of six men were brought up on charges.
Speaker 2: The guys displayed no emotion while the guilty verdict was read. However,
Speaker 2: two relatives of the victims burst into tears and then
Speaker 2: left the courtroom immediately after. And then May two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, a US appeals court upheld the convictions and
Speaker 2: death sentences of the two men. And we do have
Speaker 2: some twenty twenty three updates. I think they're all still
Speaker 2: like I couldn't so basically. On January of this year
Speaker 2: January twelfth, twenty twenty three, the US District Court for
Speaker 2: the Southern District of Indiana on behalf of Kasamova and
Speaker 2: a bunch of inmates.
Speaker 4: Thirty seven other inmates.
Speaker 2: They're doing a class action lawsuit in terry Hate, Indiana.
Speaker 2: They say that it is isolating and their standards fall
Speaker 2: below the minimum standard prescribed by international human rights treaties
Speaker 2: for the treatment of prisoners and violates the US constitutional
Speaker 2: prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment. This lawsuit has been
Speaker 2: authored by lawyers from the ACLU of Indiana and the
Speaker 2: national law firm with a bunch of last names and
Speaker 2: no updates on how that lawsuit's going. And it's like
Speaker 2: tough because ethically we're like not for solitary confinement and
Speaker 2: we're not death penalty girls. But when I hear their
Speaker 2: crimes back to back with them suing, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: fuck you, I hope your jail is shitty. You want
Speaker 2: to be treated well, fucking assholes, It's like so tough. Yeah,
Speaker 2: So that's that's those are my people.
Speaker 4: Do you have you ever watched Barry? Have I watched Barry?
Speaker 4: I have not watched Barry.
Speaker 1: There's like a very funny guy and Barry named no
Speaker 1: Ho Hank and he's Russian and he has like a
Speaker 1: Russian gang of guys that like it's a funny show.
Speaker 1: But these guys like if this is obviously very serious
Speaker 1: and horrific, but like these guys remind me of it.
Speaker 4: Like No Hank would totally be like.
Speaker 1: Body, I have an aquarium store, you know, and like
Speaker 1: they all come to the aquarium store, but like they
Speaker 1: kill people mercilessly just to like, you know, it's like
Speaker 1: all about getting money and getting they're more mob.
Speaker 2: They're like Russian mob but like, yeah, yeah, I'm imagining
Speaker 2: now Hank is one of these guys. But that's I'm
Speaker 2: so sad for these victims, you know, like just being
Speaker 2: lord ugh yeah, also like what breaks in these people's
Speaker 2: brains that they're just like yep, our businesses we kill
Speaker 2: people for money.
Speaker 4: Like it's just so psycho.
Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Thank you for doing that research. Yeah, and not a
Speaker 4: long one today.
Speaker 2: There should be more info them if I'm being honest,
Speaker 2: like this seems very interesting, but yeah, that's what I.
Speaker 1: Don't We will get into a post mortem right now. Well,
Speaker 1: that was a really intense episode. We never love to
Speaker 1: see somebody get their entire face removed, but it does
Speaker 1: happen on SVU here and there. And to cleanse our palate,
Speaker 1: Casey just showed us his dog a in a hoodie
Speaker 1: and we will be posting it on the Instagram so
Speaker 1: you can envision that for yourself and then you can
Speaker 1: watch it on our Instagram.
Speaker 4: But let's do post mortalie.
Speaker 2: It's just the horrors of the world, no no ends,
Speaker 2: and like we shouldn't know these things happen. It's it's
Speaker 2: beyond it's beyond. But the thing is I always thinking
Speaker 2: about like Middle Uh what is it? Middle Ages?
Speaker 4: Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Back in the day they were pretty brutal as well.
Speaker 2: Were they more sociopaths overall or did they not grow there?
Speaker 1: Like? Why was torture so chill? Or were people upset
Speaker 1: back in the day too?
Speaker 4: God, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean I would assume nobody loved torture, but I
Speaker 1: think it was probably part of just like, yeah, part
Speaker 1: of everyday life. I mean, who was getting tortured back
Speaker 1: in like the Middle Ages?
Speaker 4: Just like everyone?
Speaker 2: I meanics or like you know, I mean if you
Speaker 2: were a witch, if you maybe if you didn't pay
Speaker 2: your taxes, I mean, if your king husband wanted to
Speaker 2: marry another woman, you're.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really ever, but nobody was safe from torture back
Speaker 1: in the day. But this is just because because they
Speaker 1: knew about it too.
Speaker 2: It's just like knowing that people's lives are so terrible
Speaker 2: is just like really hard. Yeah, it's not fair that
Speaker 2: these women want a future in a life and they
Speaker 2: are met with this psychopath who tattoos them and burns
Speaker 2: their faces off while using other women whose kids they
Speaker 2: have kidnapped like what the fuck?
Speaker 4: What the fuck?
Speaker 1: I guess you just kind of wonder like where somebody's
Speaker 1: like moral compass like disappears to like how it just
Speaker 1: like disintegrates to nothing.
Speaker 4: You're just I think it's what I have to do.
Speaker 4: I think you're I do. I think you're born to
Speaker 4: be that socio.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then and then, I mean we've learned from as
Speaker 2: FuG and if you also have abuse, but I think
Speaker 2: you need to.
Speaker 4: Have that in you first.
Speaker 2: Like I think if you're abused, you might get you
Speaker 2: you will be fucked up. But I think to be
Speaker 2: a full psycho, you have to be born a psycho
Speaker 2: and then abused to make it worse. Like all the
Speaker 2: killers we talk about with these like do you think
Speaker 2: if they weren't abused they would just be chill?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: But also when we talk about this kind of stuff,
Speaker 1: like this is like also existing in the power structure
Speaker 1: of a mafia or a mob, right like kind of
Speaker 1: thing where it's all about sending messages. It's like they
Speaker 1: could have just shot this girl in the head and
Speaker 1: like left her on the beach, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like they do all that stuff to send messages to
Speaker 1: other people, so behave yeah, to keep people in line.
Speaker 1: So it's like using violence and torture as a control
Speaker 1: device has been tail as old as time, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean we could talk about Brighton Beach.
Speaker 2: If you're ever there, you can the point chickier are
Speaker 2: the best. It's like these doughy things filled with potatoes.
Speaker 2: If you're on the boardwalk and you see like a crispy,
Speaker 2: golden brown dough, get one with potatoes and have a
Speaker 2: good time.
Speaker 4: Is that like a perogi?
Speaker 2: No, because our nikia this is more pitoshki. This is
Speaker 2: like a different type of dough. It's like a thicker dough.
Speaker 2: It's not a dumpling stuff. The dumplings are different. But
Speaker 2: the dumplings are good too. But I don't know if
Speaker 2: the dumplings would be like straight up on the boardwalk,
Speaker 2: like these are sold on the boardwalk, you know, on
Speaker 2: the streets, like they'll be venue like a street Yeah,
Speaker 2: like that's a street food.
Speaker 4: But obviously go in have a veryenikia have you know,
Speaker 4: lots of great stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, but just to go back to what
Speaker 1: we were just talking about, pre food, like the woman
Speaker 1: in the episode whose child was killed, like I don't
Speaker 1: know she was born a sociopath, but that event of
Speaker 1: violence is what turned her into like a bad guy,
Speaker 1: because like when she's smiling at the end and like
Speaker 1: she's enjoying the like cat and mouse of like how
Speaker 1: evil she is. But I wonder if before her child
Speaker 1: was like ceremoniously ripped from her and killed, she was
Speaker 1: a normal person who's to saying yeah when you don't
Speaker 1: have options?
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's also interesting in this episode too, that we now
Speaker 1: live in a time where Russian Brides used to kind
Speaker 1: of like when this episode came out, right, like this
Speaker 1: is season twelve, I forgot this came out like twenty
Speaker 1: eleven or something like. Russian brides have always been kind
Speaker 1: of like a little bit of like a punchline or whatever,
Speaker 1: like a thing you talk about. But now it's like
Speaker 1: TLC has made like a full programming off of this
Speaker 1: type of relationship, like you know, people that meet online
Speaker 1: or come from like other places to improve their station
Speaker 1: and also get married and start a different life. You know,
Speaker 1: like when you're talking about the Boris and Natasha scams
Speaker 1: and stuff, which are which are romance scams, but like
Speaker 1: you know, also.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the TLC of it all.
Speaker 2: Like even someone yesterday asked me, They're like, oh, what
Speaker 2: about ninety day or something?
Speaker 4: And I go, that's beneath me. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Bravo is a higher tier and TLC is more trash
Speaker 2: and exploitative. I think like this whole idea of a
Speaker 2: Bravo reckoning, it's like, ahh, how about TLC praying on
Speaker 2: the mentally ill? How about that? How about weird things?
Speaker 2: And all of like the extreme couponing shows were really
Speaker 2: disturbing to watch, like the cheap skate shows, Like it's
Speaker 2: just a little more uncomfortable for me the TLC. But
Speaker 2: what's wild about the ninety days I've seen a couple
Speaker 2: is like you don't know who's using who.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you feel you feel bad for both
Speaker 1: of them.
Speaker 4: You're like who what is?
Speaker 2: Because it's someone that like obviously like cannot find love
Speaker 2: in any capacity. And then it's someone that wants to
Speaker 2: leave their country. And then it's like, I never, I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's well, I mean, but now you know
Speaker 2: it's opposite. Like there's people that are going to like
Speaker 2: different like from America, going places, going to live wow.
Speaker 4: And then the only clip I saw. Maybe I was
Speaker 4: in a hotel.
Speaker 2: I don't even know why I saw this, but it
Speaker 2: was like this one be like my family was right,
Speaker 2: I need to get the fuck out of here, like
Speaker 2: you're you suck because he he demanded children and she's like,
Speaker 2: we decided we don't want any. He goes, you better
Speaker 2: give me a child and she's like, I'm gonna leave
Speaker 2: the country.
Speaker 1: Why. Yeah, Like I mean famously, I dipped my toe
Speaker 1: in visiting a friend to TLC to ninety Day when
Speaker 1: I saw this girl who was like nineteen coming from
Speaker 1: the Philippines to marry like a forty nine year old
Speaker 1: man and he like wouldn't buy her a wedding dress
Speaker 1: for like four dollars at David's bridle. Like he was
Speaker 1: like nah, And I was like, yeah, this show makes
Speaker 1: me feel bad, Like but maybe that was a bad episode.
Speaker 1: I know I have friends with ninety day podcasts. I
Speaker 1: know it's like a huge phenomenon and people love it.
Speaker 1: But it's just like that first episode I called. I
Speaker 1: was like, this feels like a huge power imbalance.
Speaker 4: I hate this. I don't want to watch this, and
Speaker 4: maybe that's the SVU.
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm watching too much s for you, and I
Speaker 2: don't know, You're just you're just hoping that these people
Speaker 2: get the citizenship they need.
Speaker 1: And then and then they come bounce. Yeah, but let's
Speaker 1: move on to our what would Sister Peg do for
Speaker 1: this week? That's our weekly segment where we direct you to.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, So I just got a text. It says,
Speaker 2: sorry to alarm major news. The McNugget Buddies are returning
Speaker 2: to McDonald's December fucking eleventh. The nugget toys that nuggets
Speaker 2: our buck. Well, I have a nugget witch famously, but
Speaker 2: oh my god, these are.
Speaker 1: I thought something serious was happening, like geopolitically, and it's
Speaker 1: the nugget toys.
Speaker 4: And I'm so happy for you.
Speaker 1: But I just want to let you know that you
Speaker 1: bring the same energy to those both of those kind
Speaker 1: of announcements.
Speaker 4: I think after more than twenty five years, they're back
Speaker 4: just in time. How did you get this text? Who
Speaker 4: texted this to you?
Speaker 2: Julia Olsen? And I saw major news come up on
Speaker 2: the laptop. Major news.
Speaker 4: In all caps.
Speaker 1: This is you know how we a lot of times
Speaker 1: have unhinged intros. This is one of our most unhinged outros.
Speaker 1: I will say, like we are, we're bouncing all over
Speaker 1: the map. So okay, let's get into what would Sister
Speaker 1: Peg do? And you know, obviously all due respect to
Speaker 1: the nuggets, we're moving on to Sister Peg. This is
Speaker 1: our weekly segment where we point you guys to like
Speaker 1: a book, a blog post, a charitable organization, something to
Speaker 1: help or give you more context to what we talked
Speaker 1: about in today's episode. And for this week, I wanted
Speaker 1: to point you guys to a consumer advice article from
Speaker 1: the Federal Trade Commission called to Know about Romance Scams.
Speaker 1: I'm very I think we're all we were talking a
Speaker 1: little bit about romance scams in the episode with what
Speaker 1: happened to the man in this episode that he was
Speaker 1: basically being scammed from the get and in a much
Speaker 1: more intricate way that involved murder. But the tindler Swindler like,
Speaker 1: We're hearing about all these romance scams all the time,
Speaker 1: and I want everyone to know what they are so
Speaker 1: that you're not getting You guys are all really smart,
Speaker 1: but just in case you never know who can scam you.
Speaker 1: The article points to the types of lies romance scammers
Speaker 1: will frequently use to get money out of you. It
Speaker 1: also has resources for reporting potential romance scams, and if
Speaker 1: you're interested, there's even a fun little animated video of
Speaker 1: a woman getting duped by a scammer. So that's fun.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, we know our friend, we know someone
Speaker 2: related to our friend who's being scammed by someone pretending
Speaker 2: to be Kevin Costner.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's an older person and that's happening. That's an epidemic.
Speaker 4: That's not just her.
Speaker 2: That's how it's a yellows people. Yellowstone is taken over.
Speaker 2: People are going to Montana and they're also scamming elderly
Speaker 2: women being like I'm Kevin Costner and I would like
Speaker 2: to fuck you, and they're giving away minute.
Speaker 1: If you could just empty your bank account, I need
Speaker 1: the money. As Kevin Costner, star of Yellowstone. It's really
Speaker 1: it's really dark because it's like you can get through
Speaker 1: to vulnerable people who really can't be unconvinced and stuff
Speaker 1: because of various reasons, and so you just want to
Speaker 1: like try to be as safe as possible. So for
Speaker 1: more info about this, it's kind of an a complicated link.
Speaker 1: It's not just like a simple website, So go to
Speaker 1: the article linked in our show notes, and as always,
Speaker 1: I post it as a story in our Instagram feed
Speaker 1: the day that the episode comes out, and it's safe
Speaker 1: forever in our WWSPD highlight.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for all of that. And next
Speaker 2: week join us for the episode Merchandise, Season twelve, episode four,
Speaker 2: and we're not talking about after Christmas shopping sales, another
Speaker 2: type of merchandise.
Speaker 4: Sadly, I thank you.
Speaker 1: I think they know. Thanks guys, Mary, Mary everything, Happy holidays,
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