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Speaker 1: Uh great, well, Mike, I've got I've got Mike Ancy

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Speaker 1: you know that they think they're cute little toys. They

425
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: don't realize how effective they are. And you know, truthfully,

426
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:26,840
Speaker 1: you know, you've shot traditional for a long time, and

427
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: you know what they can do. A good made soft

428
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: bow is within just a few feet of a good recurve,

429
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: you know, or a good long boat glass boat. They're

430
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 1: not that there's not that big of a disadvantage from

431
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: a from a standard traditional Yeah, from traditional to primitive,

432
00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 1: it's uh, there's a very fine line. And in fact,

433
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: some of the better made primitive bows are better than

434
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 1: some of the low end uh production type glass glass bows. Yeah. Yeah,

435
00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: it's amazing. Yeah, um tell me, uh, let's go ahead

436
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 1: and define what a self bowl is. Sure most people

437
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: consider it one piece of wood, you know, cut tree,

438
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 1: split it and it's made from a piece of wood,

439
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 1: they will still consider it a self bowl with a

440
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: send you backing or a raw hide backing and snake.

441
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 1: Of course, the snakes just for looks. It doesn't add

442
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:24,360
Speaker 1: any performance or durability. But uh, some people even will

443
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:28,520
Speaker 1: consider a self bowl laminated like a board bow with

444
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 1: a bamboo backing or that type of deal. I really don't.

445
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,239
Speaker 1: I think I consider that more of a composite. And

446
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: but a self bowl would strictly be one piece of wood,

447
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 1: one piece of wood. So like stock removal, like if

448
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: like you're starting out with a block and you're removing

449
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: everything that's not a bow run Yeah, yeah, you're following

450
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: those annual growth rings on the on the tree the

451
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 1: way it grew. You go through the sap and the bark,

452
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: take all that off, and then you follow one continuous

453
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: growth ring from end to end, and that's what keeps

454
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 1: it from breaking. And then you start removing in the

455
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: thickness to get the poundage that you want. And it's

456
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 1: they've been they've been doing it that way ever since

457
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: they started making bows, and nothing has changed. They couldn't

458
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: get it any better than um. Then they started out

459
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: with it's amazing the the different areas of the country,

460
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 1: like the western Plains Indians, they didn't have access to

461
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,199
Speaker 1: a lot of the woods that we did here in

462
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 1: the South and the East and all of that, so

463
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: their bows were shorter. Almost all of them were sent

464
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: you backed, where our bows were longer and unbacked because

465
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:34,639
Speaker 1: of our humidity. And then we had the availability of

466
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: good woods, So longer is better if you can get it,

467
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,959
Speaker 1: but they couldn't, so there's different designs. And then like

468
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: the Mongolians, you know, they about conquered the world with

469
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,679
Speaker 1: those little composite horn bows, but that's what they had

470
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: available to them. You know, they were seen you horn

471
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: and just a real thin little wood in the middle.

472
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: But you know they could shoot forever with them, and

473
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,679
Speaker 1: they were very good. They, like I said, about conquered

474
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 1: the old world with them. So the self bows that

475
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 1: you're making, is that a direct replication of Native American

476
00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: boats used to be. I started out with the old

477
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,680
Speaker 1: Cherokee method. Tell me tell me about that. Yeah. Al

478
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 1: hern he is from Taliquo and his wife and him

479
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: are both of the Cherokee Indians. He was trained by

480
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 1: the old Masters and when he wrote his book there

481
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 1: was a big fallen out. They didn't want the old

482
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:34,120
Speaker 1: elders didn't want those methods passed on outside of them. Yeah,

483
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: and had he not done it, it would have been lost.

484
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 1: And in fact, the Cherokee Nation has sent a guy

485
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: to me to teach him how to make bows so

486
00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: he could teach the Cherokee kids. Yeah, so it would

487
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: have been lost if al hadn't have written that book.

488
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: And and he's still alive. He's a everybody owes him

489
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: a big favorite, you know, for for doing that. You know, yes,

490
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: you have interviewed him on articles before and a great guy. So,

491
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 1: but that's the book that I learned from. And it's

492
00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 1: the book. It was called Cherokee Bows and Arrows. Cherokee

493
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Bows and Narrows. An't sell it on your website, I do, though,

494
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: you said. But it's a good method, and that's the

495
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: one I started with. But then I developed a style

496
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 1: of my own after that. Okay, we'll tell me about

497
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: that that What does that bowl look like? The Cherkey

498
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: bows are long. They were big people. They had long

499
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: draw links. So most of them were you know, in

500
00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: the high sixties as far as length, you know, probably

501
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: even some seventy two in bows maybe, but they're typically

502
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: just a long straight bow, no no reflex added to them.

503
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: They were just a straight kind of debo what they

504
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: would call them, and a lot of them even bent

505
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 1: through the handle. But they did build a handle bow,

506
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: which was very rare for the natives. Most of them

507
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,640
Speaker 1: didn't build a real rigid handle sex. So it just

508
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 1: looked like it's just like the same consistency all the

509
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: way through the on the debos that bent through the handle,

510
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: they were just the same thickness all the way through.

511
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 1: Almost you would look at it and it just looked

512
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 1: like a bent stick. Right. But they did build handlebows,

513
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: and that's what they were famous for. Okay, what kind

514
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 1: of what was their preferred wood? Sage is the o

515
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: s age tree throughout the southeast Native in the Arkansas

516
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: River Valley and the Red River Valley. That's where now

517
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: the Cherokee's primarily came from the Carolinas. Yeah, Georgia, the

518
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,840
Speaker 1: US back there say they were trading for it that

519
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: in black locusts, you know, is that right? Yea? So

520
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: they were making self was that a black locusts? Yeah?

521
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 1: Is that? But it's not as good as I don't

522
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 1: like it. It doesn't have the compression qualities that the

523
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 1: O s GE does. It'll crush on the belly on

524
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: the on the compression side, the side that's bend into

525
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 1: you but doesn't have enough strength. But you know, it'll

526
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: make a bowl, but I would do a lot of others.

527
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: When did those tribes begin to have the technology to

528
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: make a bow a self bow? I guess they always did. Well,

529
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: I've heard uh. I was thinking that, you know, because

530
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 1: they use addleaddles. I was thinking it was like years

531
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 1: ago that yeah, that's probably about yeah, it's it's I'm

532
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: not an expert on that, somewhere in that range. So,

533
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 1: I mean, there was a time period when all the

534
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: tribes here were pretty much using ad laddles and spears.

535
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: And then what's amazing to me is that all across

536
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: the globe kind of at the same time, exactly everybody

537
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: got this technology of a stringed bowl, which is hard

538
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 1: to imagine how news spread or how I what do

539
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: they call it? Um there's a term, there's a term

540
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: used to describe and I think it's I don't even

541
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: want to say, I can't remember, but where basically technologies

542
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: spawn at the same time, but they're not connected, but

543
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 1: it's just because of the the technology beneath it. So

544
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 1: you would look in like archaeological records and you would think, well,

545
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: these people had to have communicated, but but they didn't.

546
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: It's just that it was kind of this natural progression

547
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: of just like human thought. Almost uh uh. I think

548
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: it's called cod converted. I I can't remember what it was. Anyway, Well,

549
00:32:22,040 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 1: they've associated that, that associated that with like uh Tesla

550
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 1: and uh Edison with electricity. Both of those guys came

551
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: up with that idea at the very same time, unbeknownst

552
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: each other. And it's been all through history and like

553
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: you say, in the Arrowhead type deal, they covergent evolution

554
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: maybe what it's called spontaneous knowledge, I guess, but they

555
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: they they learned it. You're right that the points they

556
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: made them all over the country at the same time,

557
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: and I'm sure to a point they were in contact.

558
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: Some is just a little slower, but even in Europe

559
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: they were building. Um, they're finding stuff that is just

560
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: like ours at the same level of in the archaeology,

561
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: they're digging stuff that was being done at the same

562
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 1: time it was done here. And it's it's nuts that

563
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: all over the world. They were doing the same things

564
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: at the same time. So these so these cherkey bows

565
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:26,760
Speaker 1: were made, uh they were, they were a longer bow.

566
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: And and then let's see uh as as oh say,

567
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 1: George's like the el primo self bow material. To me,

568
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: it is you can use some other woods and like

569
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 1: the in the Pacific Northwest they have Pacific you and

570
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: that the English longbows were famous for being made out

571
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: of you would and it's good, but it doesn't have

572
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: the durability and the ruggedness of Oh Sage. You can

573
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: throw an O s Age bow out of a tree.

574
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: You can go swimming with it. I mean you can do.

575
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 1: It's tough and it will just last forever, especially with

576
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: the grease finish. You can take some beargrease and beest

577
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,440
Speaker 1: wax and heat that wood till it won't suck up anymore.

578
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 1: And I really think you could not wear it out

579
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,959
Speaker 1: if it's made right in a lifetime. You just gave

580
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 1: me a new usage for burgrease. I adding it to

581
00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: the list used it for? Have you used it for years?

582
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 1: It's amazing, man, Oh Sage. Okay, when I built this,

583
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 1: when I built this house, this property has a ton

584
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: of s George on it. I said, it's secondary. I

585
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: think this place was cut selectively, cut forty fifty years

586
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: ago and this was just kind of you know, farm country,

587
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: and so they left all the junk trees, you know,

588
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 1: and uh, around here, you do that, you're gonna get

589
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:47,960
Speaker 1: some George. When I built my house, the guy that

590
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: was doing the footing, I've got a big state Orge

591
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: right there, and the one you were eyeing over there.

592
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 1: And the guy said, you're gonna want to get rid

593
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: of those. And I said why and he just said,

594
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: trust me, you're gonna want to get rid of those.

595
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,719
Speaker 1: And I've got multiple George stories. Number One, this tree

596
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: has gotten so big that it overhangs my driveway and

597
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 1: all of my vehicles have dents in the hood because

598
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 1: of these we call horse apples o sa gerange fruit.

599
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: They're about as big as a softball, way about a

600
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: pound and a half. Falling from forty feet up dead

601
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 1: center of the hood would leave a dent in it.

602
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 1: Number One. For years, I blamed my kids for bouncing

603
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:32,320
Speaker 1: the basketball. Really the boys playing balls im and I

604
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: would have these dents in my hood and I would

605
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: get upset with the boys. And then one day I

606
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: was out there and bam. So there's number one. Number

607
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: two they that would is so incredibly strong, like if

608
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:48,879
Speaker 1: you uh. One time, I was on my tractor, Mike,

609
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: and I was digging something with the tractor and I

610
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:57,600
Speaker 1: backed up in that tree right there had an old

611
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:00,840
Speaker 1: limb there was only about two inches big that was

612
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: hanging off, and I t bone that limb right into

613
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,640
Speaker 1: the dead center of my shoulder blades while I was

614
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 1: on the tractor, and any other it was a dead limb.

615
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 1: Any other limb would have broke, And I thought I

616
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: was impaled. I was expecting to look down and see O, say,

617
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: George taking out in front of my chest in anyway.

618
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,320
Speaker 1: That stuff, it won't rot. I've got I've got posts

619
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: on this place, O say, George, posts that we're here,

620
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: probably from the forties maybe thirties, that are still functional posts.

621
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: And that's why I cut down, and O say George,

622
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: And I'm using it for post something on my barn.

623
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: Incredible stuff it is. Now you go to Texas to

624
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 1: get all your stuff, don't you know I get most

625
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 1: of it out of Missouri. Oh really yeah? Okay, but

626
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 1: so you travel to get staves? Actually right, I actually

627
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 1: had loggers that didn't know what it is. And they

628
00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: can get more for it out of Bowood than they

629
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: can for the for the oak that they're usually cutting

630
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: for timber, you know, so they'll they'll grade it for

631
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 1: me and select it. And I've got some pretty good

632
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: loggers over the years that I've got a work in

633
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: relationship with that keep me in Bowood. And then I

634
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,440
Speaker 1: cut as much as I can, but the demand that

635
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: I have, I can't physically cut enough myself. And that

636
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: stuff like you're talking about being so tough. If you

637
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:24,040
Speaker 1: ever cut one commercially to get any number, you can

638
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 1: take a limb, there will be as big round as

639
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 1: a golf ball and it will hang up on another tree.

640
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: It won't break. The stuff will and I mean the

641
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 1: hand will have to cut a half acre trees to

642
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: get one o s age to fall because they'll hang

643
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: in everything and they just won't break. But there it's

644
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: amazing wood. But when you cut into a chainsaw, you

645
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 1: almost wouldn't believe if you hadn't see it, if you

646
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: if you didn't see it with your own eyes, you

647
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: wouldn't believe it. When you cut it with a chainsaw,

648
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: its sprays a almost glowing sharp truths bright yellow sawdust.

649
00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 1: That's just incredible. They're beautiful, and then they over time

650
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 1: quickly they kind of turned that honey golden brown, but

651
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,840
Speaker 1: they go from a bright just yellow. Yeah, an incredible

652
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: would and you can't stop that from happening. It's gonna

653
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna do that. The light makes it change. And

654
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: the more of that bow or that wood is out

655
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:22,680
Speaker 1: in the sun, the darker it'll get. And those that

656
00:38:22,719 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 1: are finished with a grease finish, they seem to suck

657
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: up those. I don't know if it's ultra violet rays

658
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:30,399
Speaker 1: that causes it or what, but they tend to get

659
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: darker faster, and they really get a patina to them

660
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:38,319
Speaker 1: really quick that they age over and almost like a

661
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: slick gym floor finish after about a year of using

662
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: that grease. And that's just one treatment. Yeah, I'll be

663
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 1: darn Um. Tell me about you're you're hunting with these

664
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 1: self bows? Um, what's your what's your favorite thing to

665
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: hunt with them? You know it changes all the time

666
00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: from what I hunted last I guess, But for years

667
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 1: it was Key's and then it went to antelope. I've

668
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: killed a lot of antalope with these bows. Um, I

669
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: was fascinated with them. Um for the first time I

670
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: went out west and seeing them out you know, in

671
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: the plains, they really fascinated me. But I've been fortunate

672
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 1: to go from you know, the Northwest Territories to to

673
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,720
Speaker 1: South Africa and hunt everything in betwards in the Northwest Territories,

674
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: Cariboo back in the in the good the the end

675
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: of the good days of Cariboo. I was glad I

676
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 1: did it when I did. And uh, because the numbers

677
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: aren't there now, you know, in fact, a lot of

678
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: the Cariboo camps out of yellow Knife and on up

679
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: towards Arctic Circle, they're not even in business anymore. But yeah,

680
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: took two really good bulls with an no sage self

681
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: bow up there and um as I cutting on the moon,

682
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, as all tom nothing higher than a rock

683
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:50,720
Speaker 1: as big as uh. You know, you couldn't even hide behind,

684
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: you know, it's amazing, no cover. And when I got there,

685
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: I thought, boll, you can't do it. And uh, but

686
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: I had a good Indian guide and uh, he knew

687
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: their movement, but he didn't understand and bows. And uh

688
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: he asked me when they when I got out of

689
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 1: the plane, he said, can you run? I said, yeah,

690
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:10,640
Speaker 1: I hadn't run, and we ran. Now, when those cariboo

691
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: would drop down in a in a drainage, we'd take off.

692
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 1: And this was a big tall Indian and I mean

693
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,279
Speaker 1: he could cover some country and we we had a blast. Now,

694
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: we chased cariboo for a week and like say, killed

695
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: two bulls with with how close to jeffica. One of

696
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 1: them was about forty yards first, all right, further than

697
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 1: I wanted. And that's where I say he didn't understand bows,

698
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: because the bull was walking right at us. I was

699
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 1: hiding behind a rock and he was on the edge

700
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: of the lake. He was gonna walk right in front

701
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,279
Speaker 1: of me and the things about forty five yards and

702
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,959
Speaker 1: he starts schelling and shoot, shoot, shoot, And I didn't

703
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:46,879
Speaker 1: want to shoot that far. But the bull standing there

704
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 1: doing this, you know, and he knew we were there

705
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: then and I had to shoot him quartering to me

706
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: at forty something yards and I put a as a

707
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 1: wiki head. I was shooting wikis back then right on

708
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,720
Speaker 1: the point of his shoulder and dropped him in his tracks.

709
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: At went through bro broke both shoulders and dropped him

710
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: right there in his tracks. He said he had been

711
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: never seen a bowl hunter do that, but it was

712
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,319
Speaker 1: I was forced into the situation. It's it wasn't an

713
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 1: ideal situation. And then the other bull, it was probably

714
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: a twenty five yard shot, and it was the last day,

715
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 1: and Uh he had always picked the locations, and on

716
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: I spotted those three bulls. He said, he almost like

717
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: we knew this was it. He said, where do you

718
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:30,239
Speaker 1: want to get? And I said it was like a

719
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: terrace of rocks where the glaciers had pushed up these terraces.

720
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: And I said, right behind him rocks. And we went

721
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: up there and got behind him, and they fed right

722
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 1: by us. And when the last one came by, he

723
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 1: was the biggest, and I just raised up and just

724
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: thumped him at twenty five yards. It was cool. See

725
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 1: that's further than what I would have thought. What's your

726
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 1: what's what range? Do you usually want? Game? And you

727
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: know I want stuff twenty yards. I don't like it

728
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:59,360
Speaker 1: a whole right closer fifteen is good, but twenty fifteen

729
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: or twenties my perfect. But I killed the bull, not

730
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 1: a bull, a cow elk in Uh in New Mexico

731
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: about five years ago, forty four yards and it was

732
00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: one of those deals where that's a little further than

733
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: I like. But they were coming down the trail and

734
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,240
Speaker 1: there was a hole in that trail in the brush

735
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: about the size of a five gallon bucket, and it

736
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: was right at the trail, and that the elk was

737
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,359
Speaker 1: just filtering through there. So I knew I was either

738
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: gonna kill it or hit the brush and miss it.

739
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: So it was its ethical Yeah, and uh in double lunger,

740
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 1: you know, she went forty yards, you know, So you know,

741
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: those are ideal situations. And I've killed white tells, you know,

742
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: in that range before. But these bowls are so quiet

743
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,640
Speaker 1: they if they're feeding, they don't have a clue usually

744
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: Now if they're standing there hunting buggers like we were

745
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: talking earlier and on that African stuff, that stuff is

746
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: wired like you would not believe. And the least my

747
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: bowls are super quiet, but they can react so fast.

748
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 1: So I try to shoot the stuff that's unaware. And uh,

749
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: because even fifteen yards on an animal, that's a where

750
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna not gonna be where they were when you

751
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,399
Speaker 1: turned loose. Yeah, so I like them close. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

752
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: That that's the most notable thing to me about shooting

753
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: a self bow from going even from my traditional bows

754
00:43:16,360 --> 00:43:20,399
Speaker 1: or compound bows. It's how quiet they are. Absolutely you

755
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,759
Speaker 1: feel like, uh, it's almost like shooting a gun with

756
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: a silencer, you know, like you shoot a gun and boom,

757
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: you the sound and everything translates into an equivalency of

758
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:39,959
Speaker 1: how dangerous that weapon is. If I can said that way,

759
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 1: I mean like you shoot a gun and you're like, yeah,

760
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 1: that would kill something. When you put a silencer on

761
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 1: a gun and shoot it all of a sudden, it

762
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: feels like a toy almost. It's like and the it's

763
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: all I've had that sense. I feel the same thing

764
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:59,160
Speaker 1: when I shoot a self bow. It's like you shoot

765
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 1: it in that air us flying fast and thuds the target,

766
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: but you feel like you feel like nothing happened, you know,

767
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 1: because I'm just used to twack twack, and boy, you

768
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: shooting cell phone. It's just like right. Well, that being said,

769
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: most of the game that you shoot is reacting to

770
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: the sound of the weapon. It's not so much the hit.

771
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: I would almost bet most animals shot with the silencer

772
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: or a suppressed rifle will die and fall quicker than

773
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: those shot with one. Not the impact is the same,

774
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: The energy is the same and the same thing with

775
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: these bows. I've literally shot stuff that I don't think

776
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 1: knew that it was hit. I shot a black bear

777
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 1: in Canada one time, and and this was another one

778
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: of those deals where I was forced into a long

779
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: shot and it was over forty yards with the self bow.

780
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: But it was the only bait that that outfitter had

781
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: that was active, and it was set up for a

782
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 1: rifle hunter. And I thought, well, maybe he'll wander by,

783
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 1: you know, going to the bait, which was close to

784
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:04,320
Speaker 1: forty fifty yards away, and I thought, I'm just wasting

785
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 1: my time, but maybe he'll come under me going to

786
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: the bait. Well it didn't. It went right to the bait.

787
00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: And I had shot and shot that year. I was

788
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 1: really ready and it was so far away that that

789
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: arrow passed through that bear. It jumped back, like, looked around,

790
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: walked off, and then turned around and came back to

791
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: the bait and fell over dead. Never never knew it

792
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: was hit. Reacted to the arrow going on the ground,

793
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: you know, blowing through it, but it never heard the bow.

794
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: Of course, that far away, you know, I don't think

795
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: it would anyway, But it's amazing the quietness of these bows,

796
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: and you get quicker recoveries. A lot of stuff you

797
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:42,240
Speaker 1: see fall, whether with the compound or a crossbow. Even

798
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,799
Speaker 1: you know, they're so loud that they're running from that

799
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: noise of the weapon rather than the impact of the shot.

800
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,600
Speaker 1: Right right. I've had the same experience with a with

801
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: a traditional bowl a longbow that was pretty quiet, shot

802
00:45:55,920 --> 00:46:00,359
Speaker 1: a bear and he jumped at the sting, you know,

803
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 1: and then just went back to feeding, just like I

804
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: don't even know what's happened here. Actually that's happening multiple

805
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 1: times now that I think about it. And uh and

806
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 1: then they just drop over. Yeah, yeah, they don't slips

807
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,799
Speaker 1: through them so fast. Good way to go, Yeah, it

808
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: sure is. Um, what have you got big plans this year? Well,

809
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 1: I supposed to have have been in Africa, but that all

810
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: got canceled with with the the virus stuff. But I'm

811
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: going to New Mexico on an elk hunt here in

812
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,719
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks so in October, and then um,

813
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 1: basically that's it for the rest this year. UM, next

814
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,359
Speaker 1: year of rescheduled Africa and we'll go back there if

815
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: if things loosening back up, and then probably a moose

816
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:48,480
Speaker 1: hunt with Gavin and Eric. They've got a new moose

817
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:53,280
Speaker 1: outfit in Newfoundland. Oh that's right, Yeah, yes, yeah, they've

818
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: I've hunted their tribal land there and this is These

819
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 1: are buddies at Panana Scott out outfide service guys in Maine. Yeah,

820
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: they have a good bear operation. They're they're hard workers.

821
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 1: But they've got a new moose and bear operation in

822
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: Newfoundland that has some pretty good numbers. So that ought

823
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,240
Speaker 1: to be good. Hey, I'm going to uh, I'm gonna

824
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: look up your I wanted to look up your website

825
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: here because I wanted to read off. Um, let's see,

826
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: I want to read off what uh I want to

827
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: I want to read off your web store. Okay, so

828
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: you're Pineholler Longbows is who you are, and so this

829
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:40,839
Speaker 1: isn't a I was just looking at this this morning. Um,

830
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: let's see Native supplies okay, colbe how many people that

831
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 1: you know have a website that Okay, I've gotten to

832
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: pineholl A long Bows and I'm on the Native supplies Okay. Well,

833
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: here we have buffalo horns for sale, calhorns deer toes

834
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:03,960
Speaker 1: for fifty cents apiece full quill wild turkey tail feathers.

835
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: We've got some napped a heads for fiftars uh, stone

836
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 1: point blanks, stone knives, tanned badger fur, tan to beaver fur,

837
00:48:16,239 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: tan beaver tails, tan bobcat fur, tan, coyote for tan,

838
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: gray fox, tan mink fur, muskrat fur, possum, otter coon. Uh.

839
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 1: Turtle shells for five dollars each, yeph hold dear rawhide, whole,

840
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: dear wild turkey bard shoulder feathers. Um. Yeah, and all

841
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 1: kinds of turkey feathers. This is pretty cool. What who?

842
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,560
Speaker 1: What are what are people doing with turtle shells making

843
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: Indian rattles out of them? On the hand rattles? Oh

844
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 1: is that right? Some of it in the dance competitions,

845
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,800
Speaker 1: they'll use u they'll stack them up on their legs

846
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 1: and they rattle as they is a dance. And that's

847
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 1: the same thing with the deer toes. But really that

848
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: was my next question. People doing a deer toes. You

849
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: would not believe the sound of a dry deer toe

850
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: that rattles against itself. They have a sound string of

851
00:49:10,280 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: deer toes. Yeah. They had called a bustle and they'll

852
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:14,719
Speaker 1: put I think like a hundred and fifty of them

853
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 1: on there, and they drill a little hole through the

854
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: tip of them and it's just the the outside of

855
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: the toe, just the black part of the deer toe,

856
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: and they look like a little black battles and on

857
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: those uh in those dance competitions, there's different categories, and

858
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,840
Speaker 1: there's some they're historically correct and they have some of

859
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:34,759
Speaker 1: their fancy. But when they put those deer toes on

860
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: their outfits to dance, it's the coolest sound you've ever heard.

861
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:42,919
Speaker 1: It's just real neat and we sell thousands of them.

862
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 1: We have for years. I've got a huge company that

863
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: really has the niche for that business that I have

864
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 1: supplied them for over twenty years. So you're you're supplying

865
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: the deer toes. Yeah, I'll be done. Yeah where how where?

866
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: How do you get deer toes haaging houses here? You know,

867
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: they kill so many deer around here that that I've

868
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: got to just to have a special permitting to sell.

869
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 1: I've got it. I've got a letter of exemption from

870
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 1: the Game and Fish Commission because in their book it

871
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: says that no part of the deer can be sold

872
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: except for the antlers in the hide and I've been

873
00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:17,840
Speaker 1: doing the Senu and the h and the toes for

874
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,960
Speaker 1: years and years, and uh, their lawyer, the guy that's

875
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: in charge of all their legal terminology, sent me. He

876
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 1: said the reason for the wording of that was people

877
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,360
Speaker 1: were selling dear jerky and so they didn't want that.

878
00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 1: But he said, mine is considered an off fall or

879
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: a waste product, and there's nothing wrong with the the

880
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 1: Senu and the deer toast. So but I kept that

881
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: letter of exemption to just have on file, you know,

882
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: in case it was ever brought up. But yeah, so

883
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: that makes total sell. Yeah, that makes seal sense. Now, Mike,

884
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: you also tell me about your boat classes. Oh, they're

885
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 1: they're blast YEA. I do group classes, you know it,

886
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: usually one or two a year. Sometimes we'll do them

887
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 1: on location and do a hunt in the evening and

888
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: build bows in the morning. But most time they're at

889
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: my shop here in Arkansas, and uh, I'll do one

890
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:13,680
Speaker 1: on one uh and then I do the groups as well.

891
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: The groups are okay if um, you like a crowd,

892
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: and then you can get uh, if there's ten guys

893
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: in that class, you can get the problems that they

894
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: will create. You can see how I fix them, and

895
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,960
Speaker 1: you can get a little bit more hands on by

896
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 1: doing that, because usually somebody's gonna mess up somewhere in

897
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 1: the building and I have to fix it for them.

898
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: So you can see how that's taken care of. On

899
00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: the one on one you get more personal attention and

900
00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: I kind of control it where they don't have as

901
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: much free time on their own and usually there's not

902
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: much to correct. But yeah, we do them into class

903
00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: and so you gotta you gotta one on one, two

904
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:59,720
Speaker 1: day self boat class that people could could go on. Um,

905
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,319
Speaker 1: you got a lot of different things here. You got

906
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: uh let's see, you got a you got schedule for

907
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 1: one a spring stuff bow building workshop. Um, all this

908
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 1: stuff is really affordable to when you think about how

909
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,040
Speaker 1: much you'd pay for a new bow. I mean you

910
00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: can get a bow cheaper in the class or in

911
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 1: a in one of those instruction courses. Then you could

912
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: have me build you one. Yeah, and then you get

913
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: tell you you can learn how to do it and

914
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 1: get a boat. I mean I'll just say, what is

915
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 1: eight hundred dollars for a one on one class two

916
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: days with you come to Arkansas and you're with them

917
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: in a shop in in your shop building a bow

918
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 1: and they come out with a boat with the bow

919
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 1: and knowing how to do it. Yeah, that's incredible, rather

920
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,799
Speaker 1: than paying me twelve to build them one. Yeah. But

921
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,440
Speaker 1: there's some that just don't want to build a bow,

922
00:52:46,520 --> 00:52:48,759
Speaker 1: you know, and that's okay, But there's something that want

923
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: to learn how and um, a lot of them just

924
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 1: do it as a vacation. I have guys that don't

925
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: even hunt that will come take a class because it's

926
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:58,359
Speaker 1: they like to do things with their hands, and they

927
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: look at it as a craft and a getaway. So

928
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: you know, I don't care what they do with them. Hey,

929
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,200
Speaker 1: this is pretty cool too, Kobe. I think, uh, I

930
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 1: think I'm gonna send you down here for five day

931
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: predator trapping course in the Ozark Mountains with Mike Yancey.

932
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 1: That'd be fun. Yeah, so that you can come back

933
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: up here and take care of all our predators on

934
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:25,480
Speaker 1: the estate here. Now you gotta so you have a

935
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: a predator predator trapping class and Texas and here that

936
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: people can come to and I mean for somebody that's

937
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 1: wanting to learn how to trap man Collie, that is

938
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: an adventure. Now those are my favorite to do because

939
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,279
Speaker 1: they get to watch me trap, they learn how they

940
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: get to see from start finish, you know, how to

941
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 1: do it, how to finish the hides, everything, and you know,

942
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: it's a it's about as fun a vacation as a

943
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 1: guy can take, and especially the Texas class, because we

944
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: catch huge numbers of coats and cats. And you'd be

945
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,359
Speaker 1: exposed two more cowdes being caught in a five day

946
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: class there than you would be on your own in

947
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: several years. You know, we catch big numbers. Yeah. Do

948
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,720
Speaker 1: you remember years ago? You you're the one that taught

949
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: me how to flesh coons. Do you remember that when

950
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 1: I came down there and I had some I had

951
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: some coons and we fleshed the bear hide too. Yeah,

952
00:54:20,680 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 1: that was a booger. It was in the summer, but

953
00:54:22,760 --> 00:54:25,120
Speaker 1: it had been better in the wintertime when the fat

954
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 1: was jelled up. That hide turned out good though. Yeah. Uh. Actually,

955
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,319
Speaker 1: you know what those bear hide chaps you see those,

956
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: that's the bear. That's the bear we saw. I took

957
00:54:39,040 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: this raw bear hide down to Mike and we we

958
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 1: fleshed it. And it was in May. I remember when

959
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: it was. It was in May and it was hot

960
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: in the in the in the grease, and you know

961
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: it's best to do it when it's cool so that

962
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,960
Speaker 1: fats a little bit more solid. And it was just

963
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 1: a mess, but we did it and we uh spread

964
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 1: the spread the hide out on big sheet apply wood,

965
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 1: salted it. I brought it back home and I left

966
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 1: it on that ap plywood, stretched out, salted it multiple times,

967
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,879
Speaker 1: you know, would rake the greasy salt off every couple

968
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:15,080
Speaker 1: of days, put more salt on. Finally got it to

969
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: where the salt would stay dry after I put it

970
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,760
Speaker 1: on that hide, and then I sent it to uh

971
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: who did I send it to? USA Fox? Yeah? Is

972
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: that who? Probably? Is that Tanning Unlimited might have been

973
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: back then. I was using them at one time, but

974
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: USA Fox doesn't too. But speaking of fleshing hides and

975
00:55:34,920 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 1: stuff stone knives, you would not believe how good a

976
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: job you can really do on a cape with a

977
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: stone knife turning ears. You can't hardly cut them, but

978
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 1: you can de serrated edge on that knife. You can

979
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,919
Speaker 1: just zip, zip zip. When I'm up there in Maine

980
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: with gathering them on their hunts, I always have to

981
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,640
Speaker 1: take care of my bears there and we'll spread those

982
00:55:56,680 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 1: things out and I'll take a carry salt with me

983
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: and you can put that on here as you're doing it,

984
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: and it helps you get ahold of it a little better.

985
00:56:04,600 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: And then that stone knife will separate from the hide

986
00:56:08,080 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: and the flesh. And uh there was a taxi dumber

987
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 1: Sara watching me do it one time and he was

988
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: just amazed that a stone knife blade will do better

989
00:56:17,000 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 1: than a modern steel knife fleshing and caping. Hey, look

990
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: at this. Somebody gave this to me. Evaluate the craftsmanship

991
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,319
Speaker 1: on this. For me, I just had a mike a

992
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: a knife, a stone point knife, got a deer handle,

993
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 1: deer horn handle handle, it's got white tell whitetail send you.

994
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,720
Speaker 1: And that's pine pitch. Pine pitch to do a pretty

995
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: good job. Yeah, it's all percussion work. You can tell

996
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 1: that he made He made that too, is uh my

997
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: buddy down in Florida. Um, yeah, he made that for me. Yep.

998
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,799
Speaker 1: And you can touch these up. You can take like

999
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,239
Speaker 1: a horse you nail or a finishing nail and you

1000
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:59,000
Speaker 1: can just pop little tiny flakes right on that edge

1001
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 1: and that thing was sharping back up. But this right

1002
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: here would be perfect for fleshing a bear hunting. I'm

1003
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: amazed when people come in here. Sometimes I'll randomly pull

1004
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: this out when I'm opening up a box or doing something,

1005
00:57:12,120 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 1: and I'm amazed at how sharp it is. I mean,

1006
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: I've I've used this for quite a bit of stuff

1007
00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 1: just around the office, just randomly for cutting stuff. I

1008
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: probably do need to sharpen it. That's a good idea.

1009
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: It's easy to do. One of the bears that I

1010
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 1: killed in Canada one year, I kept the jaws and

1011
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,040
Speaker 1: I put in a city and blade in one of

1012
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: the jaws and made a knife, and then went back

1013
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: the next year and the bear that I killed the

1014
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: next year, I completely skint, gutted and flesh that whole

1015
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 1: bear with the bear jaw knife from the bear that

1016
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: i'd killed the year before. So it just adds something

1017
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: to it. But it's effective. I mean, it will really work.

1018
00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 1: It's amazing how good that stuff will work on hid

1019
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: It is pretty incredible. Yeah, well, um, you know I

1020
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 1: was gonna I was gonna say this earlier, but just

1021
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:03,560
Speaker 1: talking about primitive archery, traditional archery. When I first got

1022
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:09,080
Speaker 1: into it, probably the thing that I had to become

1023
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 1: convinced of, and it was just lack of knowledge, laugh,

1024
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: lack of experience was the effectiveness of them as a

1025
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: killing tool. I think I had been um marketed to

1026
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:32,120
Speaker 1: and just didn't understand that that this wooden weapon, you know,

1027
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: because in my upbringing would have been in the nineties.

1028
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: I mean, we grew up shooting archery tournaments and all

1029
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: that when I was a kid, and so, um, everybody

1030
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 1: was big into speed. You know, everybody was trying to

1031
00:58:45,040 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 1: shoot the fastest compound bow they could, and so that

1032
00:58:48,520 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: was the that was the theme of the age, as

1033
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: speed as everything. And so you started seeing these guys

1034
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: that are shooting bows that were shooting a hundred seventy

1035
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: per second as opposed to you know, high two hundreds

1036
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: or even over three feet per second back in those

1037
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:09,880
Speaker 1: days was smoking fast. And you get this idea that, well, Gali,

1038
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:15,960
Speaker 1: if if speed kills, then per second probably probably wouldn't

1039
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: even probably couldn't even kill a squirrel with it. But

1040
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: that is the furthest thing from the truth. I mean,

1041
00:59:22,680 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 1: I've been amazed at just as a traditional archer. I

1042
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 1: mean that I've killed a lot of bears with the

1043
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:33,840
Speaker 1: treadbow total pass throughs, I mean, the very effective killing

1044
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: weapons and uh and just a unique and fun way

1045
00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,360
Speaker 1: to hunt for sure yep. To me, that speed just

1046
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: equals a flat trajectory. It takes the yardage guessing out

1047
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 1: of it for you, and that is a huge plus.

1048
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:54,320
Speaker 1: But with these boats, like you say, one reason I

1049
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: went to hunting with them so much and and left

1050
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: the compound. The hardest thing for me to leave the

1051
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: compound alonge was for turkeys because you can draw and

1052
01:00:02,560 --> 01:00:05,360
Speaker 1: hold so long and draw when you needed to and

1053
01:00:05,400 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: hold so long and let them walk into where you

1054
01:00:07,600 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: needed And it was hard for me to give up

1055
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 1: that compound because I love to hunt turkeys with a bow.

1056
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 1: But and the hardest thing for me to kill with

1057
01:00:14,360 --> 01:00:17,920
Speaker 1: the traditional bowls were the turkeys, and it took me

1058
01:00:17,960 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: forever to get it done. And then once I did,

1059
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:23,439
Speaker 1: I started killing. But it's tough. But the main thing,

1060
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,640
Speaker 1: most of the stuff you kill around here is gonna

1061
01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: be inside of twenty yards just because of our thickness.

1062
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: So you know, that's that's traditional and primitive bowl range.

1063
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:34,720
Speaker 1: So I thought, for sure, you know, why not just

1064
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 1: go ahead and carry them. And then once you start

1065
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,080
Speaker 1: doing it, and then you just start falling in love

1066
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: with it. But that they've all got their place, and

1067
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: definitely a compound has its place in my book for

1068
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:46,720
Speaker 1: for turkeys because I love to huntle the bowl. Now,

1069
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 1: when you when you shoot your bow, are you holding

1070
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:55,560
Speaker 1: so you describe to me your shot process. I'm almost

1071
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 1: a snapshooter, but I will anchor. But I lock into

1072
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,760
Speaker 1: a spot before I ever start the draw. I don't

1073
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:05,680
Speaker 1: do this aiming and moving around like you see the

1074
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 1: lot of these guys do. I can't the bow. My

1075
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:12,240
Speaker 1: form is uh. I point my left shoulder at what

1076
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 1: I'm shooting at, and I bend a little bit at

1077
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 1: the waist and I leaned my head in. But I

1078
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 1: have locked in my knuckle on my bow hand. I

1079
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,959
Speaker 1: know where I wanted on that animal, and I've picked

1080
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,920
Speaker 1: the spot and I locked into it right then. And

1081
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 1: if that animal moves, I've got to completely go through

1082
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: that process again because my mind has already made up

1083
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: where I'm gonna shoot. And if here are you saying

1084
01:01:35,080 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: you're kind of gap shooting. Now, I don't gap, but

1085
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,640
Speaker 1: it's a mental thing that my mind tells me where

1086
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 1: my hand needs to my bow hand needs to be

1087
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: in relationship to the target. So in a way, it

1088
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:48,320
Speaker 1: is gap. But I'm not like saying I'm not saying

1089
01:01:48,360 --> 01:01:50,560
Speaker 1: he's twelve yards. My knuckle needs to be down here

1090
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 1: at his feet. You know, it's not that it's just

1091
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:57,600
Speaker 1: from years of locking in in total concentration, and uh,

1092
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,600
Speaker 1: it's purely instinctive because I don't used the point of

1093
01:02:00,640 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 1: the arrow in any way to to to aim at.

1094
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm conscious of the shaft. I'm lining up a point

1095
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,120
Speaker 1: from the target to the tip of my arrow, to

1096
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: the back of my arrow, and I try to get

1097
01:02:13,360 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 1: those three lines lined up mentally and physically. And then

1098
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:21,120
Speaker 1: I come to I put my middle finger in the

1099
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 1: corn of my mouth, and I've already, like I said,

1100
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 1: I've already locked in on one to under. Yes, I

1101
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:29,520
Speaker 1: shoot split. I cannot shoot three under with a tab.

1102
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:31,520
Speaker 1: I just don't like it at all, and it makes

1103
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: the bows noisier. But for me, it just don't work.

1104
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: I just feel like I've got more control with the split,

1105
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:41,000
Speaker 1: uh grip like that. But and then I've locked in,

1106
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,640
Speaker 1: and as soon as that middle finger comes to my mouth,

1107
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:45,480
Speaker 1: that that arrows on its way, and I try to

1108
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:49,200
Speaker 1: consciously follow through with the shot and not give into

1109
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 1: it to look and see where it's going. I try

1110
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 1: to stay in that form until the arrow hits and

1111
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 1: and it's a big metal games. It's a huge mental game.

1112
01:02:58,360 --> 01:03:03,520
Speaker 1: And I I saw that in Africa the last trip. It's, uh,

1113
01:03:03,560 --> 01:03:06,640
Speaker 1: it's so total focused you know that. Uh it's hard

1114
01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: in a three D tournament to shoot eighteen targets or

1115
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 1: whatever and be very focused on every one of them.

1116
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: You know. It's Uh, it's you know you're gonna hit it,

1117
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: you'll hit it. If you hope you're gonna hit it,

1118
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: you usually don't, so you've got to be Uh. It's

1119
01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:23,120
Speaker 1: it's as much mental, I believe it is this physical

1120
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:26,520
Speaker 1: after a point. Oh yeah, I think so. And how

1121
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 1: did the how did the Cherokee shoot? I I guess

1122
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 1: that they shot the same way, you know, I don't

1123
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:37,320
Speaker 1: know that they did any differently, you know, Um, I know,

1124
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: uh I know is she um he shot? You know?

1125
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:46,760
Speaker 1: The issue was the was the supposedly one of the

1126
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 1: last Native Americans in California that lived like Native Americans

1127
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: lived for ten thousand years. And he um, he's the

1128
01:03:57,640 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: one that taught Saxon Pope and Art Young how to

1129
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:04,280
Speaker 1: self bows. And he was shooting like like had a

1130
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,280
Speaker 1: real odd grip with his thumb. He used the knuckle

1131
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,000
Speaker 1: of his thumb didn't he or how how did he

1132
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: he had Remember he had a pinch track grip, but

1133
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 1: he pulled to his chest. But most of them, theyst

1134
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 1: of those Westens, most of those Western Indians did that

1135
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,440
Speaker 1: because they were shooting shorter bows. They had a shorter

1136
01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 1: draw length. They were only they were shooting real stout,

1137
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:28,480
Speaker 1: little short bows, and most of the arrows are probably

1138
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:33,160
Speaker 1: only twenty two inches. They're probably pulling them. Maybe imagine

1139
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,880
Speaker 1: how you could be really accurate by so what we're

1140
01:04:35,880 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 1: doing when we're shooting is we're pretty much drawn to

1141
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:42,200
Speaker 1: a line almost directly. I mean, like when I shoot

1142
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: three fingers under, I'm almost putting there underneath my eye,

1143
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: you know, but split finger, the air is a little

1144
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: bit lower on your mouth, but still you're looking just

1145
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: right over the top of that era and these in

1146
01:04:54,480 --> 01:04:58,400
Speaker 1: like issue he he was his anchor point was you know,

1147
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: eight nine inches below was I like down in his chest. Anyway,

1148
01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:05,480
Speaker 1: I just can't imagine how they could have been accurate

1149
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 1: very far, I think probably. And I can do that

1150
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: to a point with those little Indian bows, you know,

1151
01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 1: playing with them, and there's days that you can just

1152
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:16,919
Speaker 1: knock a ball all over the yard and there's days

1153
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 1: that you couldn't hit a beach ball, you know. I mean,

1154
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:21,880
Speaker 1: you just have good days and bad days when you're

1155
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: shooting that type of shot. But maybe they were closer.

1156
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:29,080
Speaker 1: But on the Cherokees, I almost think they had their

1157
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 1: way of living, Their way of shooting bows, their way

1158
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 1: of building bows was very European style, and I'm almost

1159
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 1: wondering if they didn't have some connection back then. You know,

1160
01:05:38,680 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: they lived in settlements, permanent housing, uh farmed everything and

1161
01:05:43,840 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: as far back as they can trace it, and the

1162
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: way they shot bows in the way they built bows

1163
01:05:48,040 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 1: was European style. So it makes you wonder. Yeah. Yeah, Well,

1164
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 1: I think if you woke up every day and your

1165
01:05:56,800 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: only option for acquiring wild protein for your family was

1166
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 1: shooting a bow, you probably figure out a way to

1167
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: get really good at it. I mean, really, you think

1168
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: about the amount of effort that we put towards proficiency

1169
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: with a weapon. Even as serious bow hunters like you

1170
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: and I are, we really devote a pretty small amount

1171
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 1: of time. And I mean, and and there's people that

1172
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,600
Speaker 1: practice way more than I do, I know for sure,

1173
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: But I mean, like, if we woke up every day

1174
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:31,000
Speaker 1: and that's the only way we were gonna eat breakfast

1175
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: the next day. Was if we killed something and we're

1176
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: walking around with a bow in our hand all the time,

1177
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,959
Speaker 1: every day, every day of the year, we'd probably get

1178
01:06:40,120 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 1: You probably get pretty good at whatever you did, you

1179
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 1: know what I mean. And you know, they they would have.

1180
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean they were yeah, you know, to say they

1181
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: were professional hunters, it's kind of a weird way to

1182
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:55,680
Speaker 1: look at it, but they were. That's how they made

1183
01:06:55,680 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 1: a living, and so they were. You know, I guess

1184
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: that's another way to try to un understand how they

1185
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 1: could be pretty accurate shooting kind of a you know

1186
01:07:04,480 --> 01:07:08,920
Speaker 1: what seems to us as an obscure, ineffective way because

1187
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,320
Speaker 1: we're trying to take this little narrow window of our

1188
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 1: life that we've dedicated to be archers, and we found Hey,

1189
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 1: if you draw it right to your eye, you can

1190
01:07:16,360 --> 01:07:21,800
Speaker 1: look at right down the era and he'd be pretty good. Yeah. Uh,

1191
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:25,520
Speaker 1: it's something, Koby. What questions do you have you've been

1192
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: too quiet? What is there a bow in particular that

1193
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: you're most like proud of that you've made, Like one

1194
01:07:33,160 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: that sticks out among others. Yeah, I've got a couple. Uh.

1195
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:39,880
Speaker 1: One is a Cherokee style bow that I'm made years ago.

1196
01:07:40,520 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: That's uh just a bear grease finish. Um. It didn't

1197
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: even have a rest on it. I built it to

1198
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,600
Speaker 1: shoot off your knuckle. I have since added a piece

1199
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,840
Speaker 1: to it. But I've killed more deer with that bow

1200
01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 1: than than i have any bowl I've gotten. It's as

1201
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 1: simple as you can get. And then, um, I came

1202
01:07:55,760 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 1: up with a design about um, I don't know, six

1203
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:03,560
Speaker 1: or eight years ago, and I call it a deer slayer.

1204
01:08:04,160 --> 01:08:06,960
Speaker 1: And uh, it's a form that I built. It's got

1205
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: it reflexes at the handle and then deflexes a little

1206
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,880
Speaker 1: bit and then reflexes back into the tips and I

1207
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,400
Speaker 1: send you back it And those are a very good performer.

1208
01:08:15,560 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: They're really quiet. And uh that's the bow that I've

1209
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: been hunting with mostly the last several years. I've killed

1210
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,960
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff in Africa with that model and

1211
01:08:25,000 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: they've been really good bows. Now, when you say send

1212
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 1: you back, describe that. I know what it is, but

1213
01:08:31,080 --> 01:08:35,160
Speaker 1: people may not. What I use white tails, send you

1214
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: mostly the backstraps, send you because that's I can get it. Uh,

1215
01:08:39,400 --> 01:08:41,760
Speaker 1: for years, I just use legs in you. But it's

1216
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:44,519
Speaker 1: attending and it can be off a deer, elk, moose,

1217
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:47,600
Speaker 1: it don't matter, buffalo, and you dry it, hammer it,

1218
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,360
Speaker 1: process it, and then put it on by weight. Uh,

1219
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:54,760
Speaker 1: that's it's. It peels off in the like a natural fiberglass,

1220
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 1: and you glue it onto the bow. And it adds

1221
01:08:57,360 --> 01:09:01,879
Speaker 1: performance as well as durability because as that send you shrinks.

1222
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: You put it on wet and then it'll dry to

1223
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: the boat right there, and then it starts shrinking, and

1224
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: then as it shrinks, it adds speed to the boat

1225
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:14,719
Speaker 1: because it's already under tension. Yeah. God, that's an incredible

1226
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:18,120
Speaker 1: So it's incredible to think about. There was a time

1227
01:09:18,160 --> 01:09:22,000
Speaker 1: when humans didn't know how to do that, and then

1228
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: there was a time when they did, and like what

1229
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 1: what I wonder what process informed someone that, hey, you

1230
01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:36,360
Speaker 1: can take that chewy stuff, because there there would be

1231
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: no logical connection between that silver skin off of a

1232
01:09:41,280 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: backstrap and everybody that's killed a deer. It's processed. The

1233
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,559
Speaker 1: deer knows what we're talking about. I mean it feels

1234
01:09:46,600 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: I mean like you could like cut it up and

1235
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,240
Speaker 1: like chew it and eat it. I mean like it's like,

1236
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: I mean you wouldn't, But I mean point is it's

1237
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,880
Speaker 1: not like hard or something. It's not a bone, it's

1238
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,840
Speaker 1: not even it's not a cartilage. It's just this, uh you,

1239
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 1: it's this super odd miracle substance that propped up mankind

1240
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:08,759
Speaker 1: for a long time. Yeah, that's pretty incredible. The Plains

1241
01:10:08,800 --> 01:10:11,479
Speaker 1: Indians relied on it because they had lesser quality, would

1242
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:14,080
Speaker 1: you know. And it will allow you it's not a

1243
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 1: it's not a magic cure to bad quality wood or

1244
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: short wood, but it is in a way because it

1245
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:24,719
Speaker 1: will allow you to use inferior quality wood that normally

1246
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,439
Speaker 1: would not make a boat, and it will make a

1247
01:10:27,479 --> 01:10:31,400
Speaker 1: good bowl in the right climate. In our climate where

1248
01:10:31,400 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 1: it's human and wet, it's just mediocre. Out west, where

1249
01:10:34,800 --> 01:10:38,080
Speaker 1: it's dry, it is superior. Because you can take a

1250
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: juniper that will explode on you if you try to

1251
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,720
Speaker 1: make a self bow out of it, but you can

1252
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,639
Speaker 1: put as send you back into that juniper and make

1253
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:49,840
Speaker 1: a rocket launcher and it's it's amazing. And if if

1254
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,360
Speaker 1: it's tillard well, and that means if it's bend and

1255
01:10:52,479 --> 01:10:56,360
Speaker 1: evenly and everything's right, that they'll last from now on.

1256
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,640
Speaker 1: You know, do you think the Eastern Indians judge the

1257
01:10:59,680 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 1: West In Indians for using technology to their advantage. You know,

1258
01:11:03,200 --> 01:11:06,000
Speaker 1: they traded the most sage, so they wanted I would

1259
01:11:06,120 --> 01:11:08,120
Speaker 1: you know that was a huge trade item, was o

1260
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 1: sage statement? Or if they sit around the fire and

1261
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:15,000
Speaker 1: made fun of the guys that you send man training wills.

1262
01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:18,040
Speaker 1: Look at those boys over there. They don't make fun

1263
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 1: because their bows were little little his bow is yeah,

1264
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:27,200
Speaker 1: and there's I was long. Yeah, I bet they did. Man,

1265
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:34,960
Speaker 1: nothing's changed. Yeah, that's pretty incredible. Yeah. Well, Uh, do

1266
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:36,760
Speaker 1: you have anything that you still want to try that

1267
01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: you haven't yet? Like you've done all this all this

1268
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,360
Speaker 1: stuff in the past and had all these challenges and

1269
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: things you work through. Is there something like coming up

1270
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:48,360
Speaker 1: that you would like to try or a challenge you

1271
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:52,960
Speaker 1: would like to Uh. I still hadn't got a moose

1272
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: killed with a bow, and I'll probably do that. And um,

1273
01:11:59,400 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 1: I still got a lot of African animals that I

1274
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: want to do, and I've got that all in the works. Um.

1275
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm working on a book right now, in the early

1276
01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,920
Speaker 1: stages of a book at that UM. And it's kind

1277
01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: of an adventure type dual of all the hunts that

1278
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: I've been on my life with these type of bows

1279
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,639
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna also incorporate the building of them,

1280
01:12:18,640 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 1: so it'll kind of it'll give a little bit of

1281
01:12:21,720 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: the construction and try to pass on that challenge. You know. Uh,

1282
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: if a guy ever read that book, uh, the History

1283
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: of Hunting in the Great Smoky Mountains, Have you read that.

1284
01:12:33,160 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 1: I've heard of it, I've seen it. I've never read it.

1285
01:12:35,640 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: Those guys, those gun builders and bear hunters, they were characters.

1286
01:12:40,920 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: Now they that they're a unique breed and they they

1287
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:48,479
Speaker 1: hunted a lot of bears and stuff with those flint

1288
01:12:48,479 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 1: lock rifles that they built, and that stuff fascinates me.

1289
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: So I've got some stuff that I'm doing. You also

1290
01:12:54,920 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: make flint Yeah, I see the beauty in them, just

1291
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,920
Speaker 1: like I do a wood bow. I don't. I don't

1292
01:13:00,040 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: distinguished a kill within them any different than stuff that

1293
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:05,560
Speaker 1: the bows that I've made, they with the guns that

1294
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:09,640
Speaker 1: I made there the wood and iron is Uh, it's pretty.

1295
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:14,200
Speaker 1: And there again, you know, we we want some mores

1296
01:13:14,240 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: with them. You know, they they started progressing, you know,

1297
01:13:17,560 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 1: towards the end of the or the beginning of the

1298
01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:21,479
Speaker 1: Civil War, that kind of went to the percussion guns.

1299
01:13:21,560 --> 01:13:24,960
Speaker 1: But before that it was flint locks and Uh, those are.

1300
01:13:25,000 --> 01:13:27,759
Speaker 1: They're very very accurate. You know, a hundred yard guns.

1301
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 1: You know that that's it, you know, But um, there's

1302
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 1: some guys that can can shoot some of them a

1303
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 1: little further. But yeah, there weather might slow you down

1304
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:39,799
Speaker 1: a little bit, but they're fast. People think that you shoot,

1305
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 1: pull the trigger and that flint goes down and two

1306
01:13:42,439 --> 01:13:44,679
Speaker 1: minutes later the gun goes off. That's not the case.

1307
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,280
Speaker 1: You know. When they're made right, they're very fast and effective. Yeah,

1308
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 1: so it's just a fun way to do it all right. Now,

1309
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,120
Speaker 1: you had a last year, killed something last year with

1310
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 1: your flint lock, didn't you. M Let's see, I'm just

1311
01:13:57,040 --> 01:14:00,880
Speaker 1: remembering you with or maybe you've made a gun that

1312
01:14:00,960 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: you were gonna hunt with. It seems like it was

1313
01:14:02,920 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: last year. Maybe not, but yeah, I've killed a lot

1314
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,280
Speaker 1: of stuff with him. I've killed black bears um with

1315
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 1: the flint locks, lots of white tails, um turkeys, u

1316
01:14:14,520 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 1: uh Rio's, Eastern's and Miriam's. I'd have a grand slam

1317
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,040
Speaker 1: with a flint lock and a recurve if I could

1318
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: go to Florida and kill killed those turkeys that I

1319
01:14:23,880 --> 01:14:26,320
Speaker 1: hadn't killed an asolo down there with a with a

1320
01:14:26,360 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 1: recurve or flint lock, but I'd have a grand slam

1321
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 1: with that. So I like to mix it all up

1322
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:34,000
Speaker 1: and nothing about it. The with the flint locks. I

1323
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,400
Speaker 1: go back now and stuff that I've killed with bows,

1324
01:14:36,760 --> 01:14:39,000
Speaker 1: I'm going back and doing it again with the black powder,

1325
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: you know. So it add gives you another reason to

1326
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: go somewhere and hugging you. You feel like you're you

1327
01:14:45,479 --> 01:14:47,800
Speaker 1: you're carrying a rifle. I guess, well, and you are.

1328
01:14:47,920 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: It does make it a little easier, yeah, it it

1329
01:14:49,880 --> 01:14:52,599
Speaker 1: increases my range a whole lot compared to a sef bow.

1330
01:14:53,360 --> 01:14:56,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's almost like cheating. Yeah, yeah, that was it.

1331
01:14:57,080 --> 01:15:01,360
Speaker 1: The bowl making that got you into trap. The trapping

1332
01:15:01,400 --> 01:15:05,120
Speaker 1: got me into the bowl making. Really. Yep, I've missed

1333
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: one season since I was thirteen. I've got forty some

1334
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: odd seasons of trapping that I was just fascinated with

1335
01:15:12,240 --> 01:15:13,560
Speaker 1: it from the time I was a little bit of

1336
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,920
Speaker 1: kid and it never left. And and now, like I said,

1337
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:19,000
Speaker 1: I get to travel different states, and um, that was

1338
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 1: always a goal when I was unable to do it

1339
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,639
Speaker 1: because of work, you know, I couldn't get away long

1340
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 1: enough to go out of state and see if I

1341
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 1: could you might those guys that are really good at

1342
01:15:29,080 --> 01:15:31,800
Speaker 1: what they do where they're at, but you get them

1343
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: somewhere else and they're like a fish out of their bowl,

1344
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 1: you know. And um, I think trappers, if you will notice,

1345
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: are usually your best turkey hunters and a lot of

1346
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: times your best bear hunters and fishermen. They have that

1347
01:15:46,360 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: they can reach, that they notice things that most people

1348
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,120
Speaker 1: don't notice. You know, they're just constantly aware of the

1349
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:54,880
Speaker 1: surroundings because you're trying to make an animal put his

1350
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:58,479
Speaker 1: foot in about a four inch circle and he's got

1351
01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:01,519
Speaker 1: thousands stakers to run and and that bait's only gonna

1352
01:16:01,560 --> 01:16:05,679
Speaker 1: work for so long. And it's just like bear baits. Uh,

1353
01:16:05,720 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: there's no magic bait or letter. You know, you gotta

1354
01:16:08,320 --> 01:16:10,680
Speaker 1: be close and get it in the right spot to

1355
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:14,800
Speaker 1: start with. So it's, uh, there's a lot involved and

1356
01:16:14,840 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 1: that that's something that I took a lot of pride in.

1357
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,160
Speaker 1: Yet you ask about the bows that I might like,

1358
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,360
Speaker 1: but I think probably more so the ability to go

1359
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:27,240
Speaker 1: somewhere else and be good at what you're doing, whether

1360
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,519
Speaker 1: it be with a bow or trapping, it all kind

1361
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: of goes hand in hand. That once you master that

1362
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:35,479
Speaker 1: trapping it seems like everything else just falls into place,

1363
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:38,280
Speaker 1: and you have an understanding of those animals and how

1364
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:41,879
Speaker 1: everything's got a weakness too. And uh, and especially with trapping,

1365
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:46,639
Speaker 1: you're trying to exploit that and know their habits because

1366
01:16:47,439 --> 01:16:49,320
Speaker 1: there's things that you can do to get the odds

1367
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:51,080
Speaker 1: in your favor to make him put his foot where

1368
01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:54,400
Speaker 1: you want it. And Uh, the ranches that I trap

1369
01:16:54,479 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: around here, those guys would probably cry if I quit

1370
01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,400
Speaker 1: coming because they're seeing all of the years now the

1371
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:06,200
Speaker 1: increase of their game, you know, especially their turkey crops.

1372
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 1: That and I think the coats are a lot bigger

1373
01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:11,200
Speaker 1: problem on the deer than people give them credit for

1374
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:15,280
Speaker 1: two that the deer and turkeys are really making a difference.

1375
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 1: And um, I've got my foot in the door and

1376
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 1: some ranches in Texas now that it's almost more than

1377
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:23,240
Speaker 1: I can handle to to take care of those ranches

1378
01:17:23,280 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: there because of the demand for predator control, and it's

1379
01:17:27,680 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 1: there's nothing more fun to me than to outsmart a coat.

1380
01:17:30,840 --> 01:17:37,880
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I'll be darn well. What's uh did

1381
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:40,920
Speaker 1: you ever make uh much money trapping? I mean, like

1382
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:47,519
Speaker 1: Arkansas is not El primo. Yeah, it's not so much.

1383
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:50,880
Speaker 1: The density. It's the quality, and we're right on the

1384
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 1: very edge. If you get much past the tunnel on

1385
01:17:56,040 --> 01:17:59,040
Speaker 1: very much further in my direction, the quality starts going down,

1386
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:00,960
Speaker 1: especially if you go sack and if you go west,

1387
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: it's still good. But we're on the very edge of

1388
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 1: still good quality fury and even down to that he's

1389
01:18:09,040 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: talking about. The tunnel is a is where Interstate goes

1390
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 1: through about twelve miles probably south of right here, So

1391
01:18:18,080 --> 01:18:21,840
Speaker 1: you're saying north of there the first Yeah, yeah, it's

1392
01:18:21,880 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 1: a different, holy different ball game. But uh yeah, we're

1393
01:18:25,479 --> 01:18:27,160
Speaker 1: still on the edge of good fur. But yeah, as

1394
01:18:27,200 --> 01:18:29,559
Speaker 1: far as I'm making money. The first year that I

1395
01:18:29,640 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: left the meat business and retired and did the bolt

1396
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,800
Speaker 1: business full time nine years ago, I my wife and

1397
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:40,360
Speaker 1: I decided that we were gonna trap as hard as

1398
01:18:40,400 --> 01:18:43,400
Speaker 1: I ever wanted to. And the fur prices had been

1399
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:46,840
Speaker 1: terrible since the nineties, and they didn't come back up,

1400
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 1: you know, they crashed and it just never came back up.

1401
01:18:50,360 --> 01:18:52,800
Speaker 1: And we were doing it just purely for fun and

1402
01:18:52,880 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 1: to be able to do it because that's what I

1403
01:18:54,200 --> 01:18:57,240
Speaker 1: wanted to do, and I hid it on. It was

1404
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:01,439
Speaker 1: just the perfect storm that the market exploded and I

1405
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,960
Speaker 1: had a furs shed full of fur and we actually

1406
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:07,000
Speaker 1: sold ten thousand dollars worth of fur that one year,

1407
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:10,200
Speaker 1: and and it was good for another year or two

1408
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,920
Speaker 1: after that. That's all just local trapping down there. That

1409
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,720
Speaker 1: was then Arganas. Yeah then, But now, like I say,

1410
01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm I'm doing other states. But the stuff that I'm

1411
01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 1: catching out in Texas now it's in North Texas and

1412
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,799
Speaker 1: it's as good quality as a lot of the Western states.

1413
01:19:24,880 --> 01:19:30,080
Speaker 1: You know that quality, Yes, you would not. It's like

1414
01:19:30,120 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 1: two different animals if you look at our bobcats compared

1415
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:37,519
Speaker 1: to those North Texas for quality. But why, I don't know.

1416
01:19:37,640 --> 01:19:41,800
Speaker 1: If it's altitude, and some of it is, Uh, they've

1417
01:19:41,840 --> 01:19:45,000
Speaker 1: adapted over the years to the terrain. Their spots are

1418
01:19:45,040 --> 01:19:47,600
Speaker 1: better than ours. You can even go with a bobcat.

1419
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:50,120
Speaker 1: A lot of it has to do with yeah, well,

1420
01:19:50,160 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: but but the high quality has to do with not

1421
01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:57,240
Speaker 1: just fur but spots because people want spots. Yes, and

1422
01:19:57,280 --> 01:20:00,160
Speaker 1: you can even go into parts of western Oklahoma and

1423
01:20:00,280 --> 01:20:04,120
Speaker 1: their their bobcats are way better than ours. These wood

1424
01:20:04,160 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 1: woodland bobcats are the worst in the world. They have

1425
01:20:07,360 --> 01:20:10,639
Speaker 1: to What makes them worse spots, the spots, the quality

1426
01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:14,160
Speaker 1: of spots. Okay, So it's not fur density, not so much.

1427
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:19,000
Speaker 1: But even out there in Texas, would it be that

1428
01:20:19,320 --> 01:20:23,759
Speaker 1: open country more open country cats need better camouflage about Okay,

1429
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,640
Speaker 1: that's it. They're in that stage and uh in that

1430
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:29,160
Speaker 1: open brush and they need more spots yep. And they

1431
01:20:29,160 --> 01:20:32,240
Speaker 1: do have longer fur, it is more dense, but their

1432
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: quality of spots is way way better. And the the

1433
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: fact that a bobcat is worth more when it has spots.

1434
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:44,600
Speaker 1: It's totally a human external characteristic that we desire the

1435
01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 1: So there where do you know where the bobcats are

1436
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 1: going and what they're doing with them? Most of the

1437
01:20:50,520 --> 01:20:54,679
Speaker 1: market is like in Italy Germany, Um, what are they making?

1438
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,599
Speaker 1: Just women's garments and some vesting coats like the cow trade.

1439
01:20:58,680 --> 01:21:01,800
Speaker 1: It's most of most of the is for trim on

1440
01:21:02,200 --> 01:21:05,439
Speaker 1: pocket collars and stuff. Yes, but the cats are still

1441
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:10,040
Speaker 1: actually for for like jackets and stuff like that. Invests. Wow, yeah,

1442
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: the Korea, China, when they're in Russia. Russia because it's

1443
01:21:18,360 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 1: a it's not just a luxury item, it's a it's

1444
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:24,360
Speaker 1: a necessity item because of their cold, cold winners that

1445
01:21:24,720 --> 01:21:27,960
Speaker 1: they still wear a lot of fur every day because

1446
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: of needing it. I've heard that's where a lot of

1447
01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 1: coons and stuff go is in uh in Russia, yep.

1448
01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:39,479
Speaker 1: And when bad yeah, and then when when the Soviet

1449
01:21:40,120 --> 01:21:42,840
Speaker 1: economy is bad and the Asian markets are bad, the

1450
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 1: for fur markets bad, and so you know they'd all

1451
01:21:45,760 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 1: come back. That year that you made, you sold ten

1452
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:50,920
Speaker 1: thousand dollars with the hides. Do you remember how many animals?

1453
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:53,400
Speaker 1: And I'm interested in this because I live here, and

1454
01:21:53,439 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm just like, like, do you remember how many coons

1455
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,200
Speaker 1: you caught? How many this you caught? No? I don't.

1456
01:22:00,400 --> 01:22:03,560
Speaker 1: It was a lot of coons that year, yeah, I

1457
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: mean would have been like a hundred coons or would

1458
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 1: have been no, not like a thousand, No, it would

1459
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:10,800
Speaker 1: been in the hundred coons, you know. And on the

1460
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: mix of colds, bobcats, fox, you know, looking at uh

1461
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 1: twenty five of each probably and on the cats maybe, uh.

1462
01:22:19,920 --> 01:22:22,960
Speaker 1: Only in Arkansas, I catch about six cats bobcats a year.

1463
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 1: But you go out to Texas you can catch that

1464
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,639
Speaker 1: many in a week, you know. And so it's just

1465
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:32,160
Speaker 1: the numbers there. I don't know what the deal is

1466
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:36,679
Speaker 1: out there. Their densities are just ridiculous. More of them yeah,

1467
01:22:36,760 --> 01:22:38,960
Speaker 1: And part of it might be because those places are

1468
01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,920
Speaker 1: so managed for deer, turkey and quail that it brings

1469
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:45,160
Speaker 1: them in because they've got a food source. And that

1470
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Speaker 1: probably is a lot of case because they're hanging around

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01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,600
Speaker 1: those feeders to ambush, so they kind of got a

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01:22:50,640 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: captive audience. But the West has always been known for

1473
01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 1: having lots of colds. It just seems to be that way.

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01:22:57,200 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 1: They've got kyles like we have coons. You know, My

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01:23:00,000 --> 01:23:02,639
Speaker 1: buddy Jeff Lander told me a story and I don't

1476
01:23:02,640 --> 01:23:05,439
Speaker 1: know if it's exactly the way it happened, but that's

1477
01:23:05,439 --> 01:23:09,440
Speaker 1: the way I remember it. And he shot a turkey

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01:23:10,040 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 1: over a feeder in Texas with a traditional bow and

1479
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:19,160
Speaker 1: as the turkey like fled from being shot with a bow,

1480
01:23:19,320 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 1: a bobcat jumped out of the woods. And Jeff, if

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01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 1: I'll have to get the it was, it was either

1482
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: it was some yea anyway, just to and he felt

1483
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: like the bobcat was perched back in watching this turkey

1484
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:38,320
Speaker 1: just like him. He's over in a blind, you know.

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01:23:39,000 --> 01:23:43,000
Speaker 1: Um And uh, anyway, it's a learned behavior out there,

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01:23:43,040 --> 01:23:46,640
Speaker 1: and that's what we look for out there. They have

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01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,599
Speaker 1: limited roosting areas and they're usually gonna be in those

1488
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 1: branch bottoms where there's some big cotton woods where they

1489
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:55,519
Speaker 1: have roost trees. And those turkeys out west, they will

1490
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:58,679
Speaker 1: each gobbler kind of goes his direction with his little

1491
01:23:58,720 --> 01:24:00,960
Speaker 1: bunch of hens, you know, and they kind of go

1492
01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:05,040
Speaker 1: like wagon wheel routes that they've just they do it

1493
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:07,760
Speaker 1: every day. They're patternable where ours are, just wherever they're

1494
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 1: at that day. But those birds out there have a

1495
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 1: route that they'll kind of make a circle during the day,

1496
01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:16,840
Speaker 1: and you can spine those ambush spots where those bobcats

1497
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,599
Speaker 1: will ambush those turkeys in the brush, And that's what

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01:24:19,640 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: we're looking for out there, are those travel routes for

1499
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,680
Speaker 1: the turkeys to ambush the bobcats when they're trying to

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01:24:25,720 --> 01:24:29,280
Speaker 1: catch the turkeys. It's just it's a it's a neat

1501
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:33,479
Speaker 1: deal that trapping class would be fun. It really is.

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01:24:34,240 --> 01:24:37,439
Speaker 1: We started daylight and don't get done skin until dark.

1503
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 1: We we we check traps and set till an hour

1504
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 1: or so before dark, and then we're usually skinning until

1505
01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:47,080
Speaker 1: a way after dark. So it's it's work, but it's

1506
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 1: it's exciting fun. Yeah, Yeah, Mike, where can people find you?

1507
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:55,080
Speaker 1: How can people find you? Best ways on the website

1508
01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 1: and it's just Pinehole longbows dot com and of course

1509
01:24:58,840 --> 01:25:02,479
Speaker 1: we gotta Facebook, but yeah, the website's easy. And like

1510
01:25:02,479 --> 01:25:04,760
Speaker 1: I say, we're a full time business. It's uh not

1511
01:25:04,840 --> 01:25:06,640
Speaker 1: just a hobby. It's a hobby that turned into a

1512
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: full time job and it's uh, it's a way alife.

1513
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:13,519
Speaker 1: So I I help people that's never built bows before,

1514
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, every day on the phone. So I don't

1515
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:18,360
Speaker 1: mind a little bit of helping along there. You know,

1516
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna build it for him, but but I'm

1517
01:25:20,920 --> 01:25:23,400
Speaker 1: there for for questions. That's one thing. When you buy

1518
01:25:23,439 --> 01:25:25,800
Speaker 1: a piece of wood from me, it's uh, it's not

1519
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,439
Speaker 1: I'm not just for a one time sale. On there too.

1520
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:31,200
Speaker 1: To get you through the whole process and try to

1521
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:33,960
Speaker 1: encourage you to get it done and and go use it.

1522
01:25:34,000 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 1: That's that's what I want to see you do. Yeah, Yeah,

1523
01:25:36,600 --> 01:25:40,160
Speaker 1: you're it's clear that you're really passionate about about teaching

1524
01:25:40,760 --> 01:25:43,760
Speaker 1: and you you enjoy that and and that's what it takes.

1525
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:45,680
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what makes a good teacher, somebody that

1526
01:25:46,120 --> 01:25:49,719
Speaker 1: that enjoys it and wants people to learn. And uh

1527
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 1: so yeah, that that's great, And you know, I don't

1528
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,160
Speaker 1: think I don't think many people know that this kind

1529
01:25:56,160 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 1: of stuff exists. So you know, there's ah if you

1530
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:03,360
Speaker 1: you you could learn, you can learn more from you

1531
01:26:03,439 --> 01:26:06,000
Speaker 1: either in the trapping class or bowl class, and just

1532
01:26:06,040 --> 01:26:08,679
Speaker 1: a short period of time than you could and years

1533
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:13,679
Speaker 1: of personal research the bowl class especially will save you.

1534
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:17,360
Speaker 1: You know, most people can eventually club one out, you know,

1535
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:20,680
Speaker 1: and get it done. You might rick your shoulder and

1536
01:26:20,720 --> 01:26:22,320
Speaker 1: never be able to shoot the rest of your life

1537
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:24,800
Speaker 1: if you shot it for a year, But but it

1538
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:27,640
Speaker 1: had sling an arrow. And that's that's what surprises me.

1539
01:26:27,720 --> 01:26:30,280
Speaker 1: People could literally cut a limb off one of these

1540
01:26:30,280 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 1: those stage trees you got in your yard and tie

1541
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,559
Speaker 1: a haystring to it and it feels shoot an arrow

1542
01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:38,000
Speaker 1: across the yard. They're tickled to death, but they don't

1543
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 1: realize they can build an efficient, high performance weapon out

1544
01:26:44,280 --> 01:26:47,760
Speaker 1: of primitive materials. And that's where I can save them

1545
01:26:47,800 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 1: a lot of trial and error and breaking stuff in

1546
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:55,760
Speaker 1: a short time. Great, Well, Mike, is there anything we

1547
01:26:55,800 --> 01:26:59,840
Speaker 1: hadn't talked about that you'd like to now? I think

1548
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:03,400
Speaker 1: we pretty much covered it. Just don't don't limit your

1549
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: opportunities man, there's so many things that a guy can

1550
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 1: do with not everybody can travel and and go a

1551
01:27:10,400 --> 01:27:13,360
Speaker 1: lot of places. If their families young, you know, they're

1552
01:27:13,439 --> 01:27:16,759
Speaker 1: kind of health tight. But like we were talking before

1553
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:21,440
Speaker 1: we started this podcast, making one of these bowls yourself

1554
01:27:21,960 --> 01:27:24,759
Speaker 1: and then going and hunting on your grandpa's place, behind

1555
01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:27,679
Speaker 1: his barn or something and killing a white tiled dough

1556
01:27:27,960 --> 01:27:31,960
Speaker 1: can be as big as any caribou hunt you ever

1557
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: went on in your life. And and literally they add

1558
01:27:35,400 --> 01:27:38,080
Speaker 1: up to if I, if I look back at the

1559
01:27:38,120 --> 01:27:43,560
Speaker 1: big hunts that I've been on, the preparation and the

1560
01:27:44,400 --> 01:27:47,800
Speaker 1: full circle completion of it is as important to me

1561
01:27:48,240 --> 01:27:51,000
Speaker 1: as the adventure of the exotic nous of it. You know,

1562
01:27:51,080 --> 01:27:54,960
Speaker 1: Africa is great, it's target rich, but still, you know,

1563
01:27:55,040 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 1: killing something in Alabama with a bow that I made

1564
01:27:58,720 --> 01:28:02,320
Speaker 1: on a friend's itches as much fun as any big

1565
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 1: hunt you know you can do. Yeah, now that's a

1566
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: great point. And I think anybody that's hunted with it

1567
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:11,479
Speaker 1: any kind of a primitive weapon, they would get it

1568
01:28:11,680 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 1: because they've they've done it themselves. But you know, for me,

1569
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:21,479
Speaker 1: traditional archery brought back kind of the initial excitement and

1570
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: love of archery that probably I had more when I

1571
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,360
Speaker 1: was a kid, when I just got into it. And

1572
01:28:28,720 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: you know, we still have that same thrill, all of

1573
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:34,240
Speaker 1: us that are passionate hunters, you know, that that thrill

1574
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 1: of hunting, even the mundane parts of hunting. You know,

1575
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:42,760
Speaker 1: that's why we are seriousness because we continue to enjoy it.

1576
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 1: It doesn't get old. But man hunting with the primitive

1577
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:53,000
Speaker 1: weapon takes something like hunting the dough in your backyard

1578
01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:59,080
Speaker 1: and turns it into an extreme, extremely exciting, extremely rewarding hunt.

1579
01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:02,160
Speaker 1: It does it put that fireback in it. And uh

1580
01:29:02,240 --> 01:29:05,519
Speaker 1: on the flintlock stuff. You know, we all grew up

1581
01:29:05,600 --> 01:29:07,600
Speaker 1: hunting squirrels and learned how to be good in the

1582
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,960
Speaker 1: woods and stuff. Most of us started on squirrels, you know,

1583
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: and that was our big thing. We were kids to

1584
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 1: be able to do that. And I did that as

1585
01:29:15,960 --> 01:29:18,400
Speaker 1: a kid, and then quit when I started deer hunting,

1586
01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 1: you know, as as I got older. But when I

1587
01:29:20,720 --> 01:29:24,560
Speaker 1: started making these flintlocks, I built a thirty six Tennessee

1588
01:29:24,600 --> 01:29:27,280
Speaker 1: style rifle. And those little thirty six is are just

1589
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 1: like shooting a twenty two magnum that smokes that there's

1590
01:29:30,320 --> 01:29:33,519
Speaker 1: no kick, you know, and and they're deadly accurate, and

1591
01:29:33,680 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 1: it is my favorite thing to do right now is

1592
01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,760
Speaker 1: as soon as the texts get gone, is to go

1593
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:42,679
Speaker 1: out with that thirty six flintlock and shoot gray squirrels.

1594
01:29:42,960 --> 01:29:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, it's you're like a little kid again. I mean,

1595
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:48,599
Speaker 1: coming in with a string of squirrels with the flint locks.

1596
01:29:49,400 --> 01:29:54,640
Speaker 1: So much fun. Achievement. It's exciting, that's achievement. So I

1597
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: have some fun. Yeah, that's great. Well, thanks Mike. I

1598
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,679
Speaker 1: really appreciate it. I've enjoyed it. Uh and I hope

1599
01:30:00,680 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: people check you out, check your website out, and um yeah,

1600
01:30:06,040 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 1: just just let it be an option for them to,

1601
01:30:10,760 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 1: uh to to get into some primitive type of of archery.

1602
01:30:15,800 --> 01:30:18,519
Speaker 1: Flint lock. Yeah, Mike's a great resource for that. So

1603
01:30:18,760 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 1: thanks for coming up. Man, you enjoy it. To keep

1604
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:23,320
Speaker 1: the wild places wild because that's where the very fluid