1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome. It is Verdict with Center, Ted Cruz Ben Ferguson 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: with you, and today's episode is going to be a 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: very special one with a very special guest, and I 4 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,680 Speaker 1: hope that you will take this episode and share it 5 00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: on social media. Also, if you want to watch it 6 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: on YouTube, it's there. Because Center, we're dealing with a 7 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 1: very important and also a very tough subject right now 8 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: that is on the minds of a lot of Americans, 9 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: and I want you to explain why we decide to 10 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 1: this show and also introduce our guests. 11 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 2: Well, we're going to be focusing today on the rise 12 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: of radical Islam in America and also the rise of 13 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,959 Speaker 2: radical Islam across the globe. And we're going to talk 14 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 2: about Comrade Mondami, who we devoted the entire last podcast 15 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: to his rise in New York, to the very real 16 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: possibility that we will have a communist, a Marxist jihadist 17 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 2: as the next mayor of New York and how frightening 18 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 2: that is. We're going to talk also about the Muslim 19 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: Brotherhood and what the Muslim Brotherhood is and why I 20 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 2: am leading the fight to have them the Brotherhood declared 21 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,119 Speaker 2: a terrorist organization. We're going to talk about what's happening 22 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 2: in Nigeria, about the systematic mass murder of Christians in 23 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 2: Nigeria by Boko Haram and other radical Islamic terrorists. And 24 00:01:13,440 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 2: we're also going to talk about Somalia and the prospect 25 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: of America recognizing Somaliland, and how we can fight back 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 2: against extremist forces in Africa and all of that. We're 27 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:28,840 Speaker 2: gonna have this conversation with a special guest. So our 28 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 2: guest today is Ayan here see Ali Ayan was born 29 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: in Mogadishu, Somalia. Then in nineteen sixty nine she grew 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 2: up and she was raised as a Muslim, and as 31 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 2: she got older, she began to question aspects of her faith. 32 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 2: One day, while listening to a sermon on the many 33 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 2: ways women should be obedient to their husbands, she couldn't 34 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 2: resist asking must husbands obey us? Also in nineteen ninety two, 35 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: Ayan led to the Netherlands to escape a forced marriage. There, 36 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 2: she was granted asylum and in time citizenship. She quickly 37 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,959 Speaker 2: learned Dutch and was able to study at the University 38 00:02:12,960 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 2: of Leiden, earning her MA and political science. She worked 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 2: as a translator for Somali immigrants and she saw firsthand 40 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 2: the inconsistencies the tensions between liberal Western society and tribal 41 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 2: Muslim cultures. From two thousand and three to two thousand 42 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: and six, Allan served as an elected member of the 43 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:37,359 Speaker 2: Dutch Parliament. Actually, in two thousand and five, Time magazine 44 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:40,959 Speaker 2: named her one of the one hundred most influential people 45 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 2: in the world. In parliament, she focused on the integration 46 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: of Muslim immigrants into Dutch society and on fighting for 47 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 2: the rights of women. Now today, she is a research 48 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 2: fellow at the Hoover Institution, and she is a founder 49 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,799 Speaker 2: of the Aha Fi Foundation. And Ayon, welcome the Verdict. 50 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 3: Senator, thank you for having me on. 51 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 2: We are very glad to have you. Let's start by 52 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 2: just if you could briefly, I shared a little bit 53 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 2: of your bio, but just tell us your story. Tell 54 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: us your story of the journey you've taken, because it's 55 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,639 Speaker 2: an extraordinary story and I think our listeners and viewers 56 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 2: would be very interested hearing it. Well. 57 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: Think I think you really summarized it very well. I 58 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 3: was born in Somali. I was raised in Muslim in 59 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 3: a Muslim family. I was born in political household. My 60 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: father was very much he was very much influenced by 61 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 3: America during the Cold War, when you know the world 62 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: was divided into two hemispheres, those that supported the US 63 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: and those that supported the ideology of uss R. I'm 64 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: proud to say that my family supported the US, and 65 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 3: I don't want to say that my father was entirely secular, 66 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: but I want to say we suffered as at the 67 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 3: hands of communism, Islamism, whatever you can you I'm very 68 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 3: intimately familiar with some of these totalitarian ideologies, not from books, 69 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: but from real experience, and it's one of the reasons 70 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,600 Speaker 3: why I reject them so completely. But I thought the 71 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 3: introduction you gave was fair and very good, and I 72 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 3: find myself in the United States a citizen and a 73 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: very grateful citizen to be American. 74 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 2: So Ian, tell us what is Islamism and how does 75 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: it differ from there? Well over a billion practicing Muslims worldwide, 76 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,760 Speaker 2: not every Muslim is an Islamist. What's the difference between the. 77 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: Two political Islam? I would say, is in some ways 78 00:04:55,200 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 3: different from general Islam. I know some of my fellow 79 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 3: researchers are just going to be really upset with me 80 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:06,200 Speaker 3: when I make this distinction, but in practice. When I 81 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: look at countries like the United Arab Immirates and the 82 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 3: leaders of the United Arab Immirates, what they're trying to 83 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 3: say is, look, there is Islam as a civilization. We're 84 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: trying to cope and modernize and do This is our 85 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: national identity, this is our religious identity. But on the 86 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 3: other hand is political Islam, which is that what is 87 00:05:26,080 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 3: promoted by the Muslim Brotherhood. And political Islam is a 88 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: modern movement that was born out of the fall of 89 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 3: the Islamic Empire in nineteen twenty four when the Ottoman 90 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 3: Caliphate fell apart. They developed this ideology collectivist, totalitarian, which 91 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 3: is in pursuit of establishing Islamic dominance over what used 92 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 3: to be the Islamic heartlands and then spread out throughout 93 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: the rest of the world. So we're looking at an 94 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 3: Islamist political ideology versus Islam as civilization. Islam has a 95 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 3: lot of problems, and I'm the first one to admit that. 96 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:16,160 Speaker 3: But I think as Americans today, our focus should be 97 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 3: on political Islam because it's easier to diagnose, it's easier 98 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 3: to define. We know what the objectives are, we know 99 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: who leads them, and we know we know also that 100 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 3: they have and formed an alliance with radical communists. With 101 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 3: communists they operate as a subversive effort, which I call dawa. 102 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: And then there is, of course, we're familiar with the 103 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:49,360 Speaker 3: terrorist or jihiy aspect of it. So complicated, yes, conceptually, 104 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 3: but in practice easy to define, easy to understand, and 105 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,119 Speaker 3: in my view, easy to combat well. 106 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,840 Speaker 2: And look the way I understand and you're far more 107 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 2: of an expert in this than I. But but but 108 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: I I draw a distinction between Islamist who seek to 109 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: in force UH not only their faith but but Sharia 110 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 2: law and and and to use force and power to 111 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 2: forcibly convert others and to forcibly subjugate others to Islam 112 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 2: and and and and and for me at least, I 113 00:07:22,800 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 2: use Islamist and jahadis somewhat interchangeably. Which is the the 114 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 2: the the commitment to using force, to using violence UH 115 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 2: to to dominate and and defeat the infidels. And I 116 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: would draw a distinction. You know, there's some countries like 117 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: you take for example, India, which has a very large 118 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 2: Muslim population but not a very high incidence of Islamism. 119 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: There's there's less political Islam there, uh than there is. 120 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: You look at the rise of the Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, 121 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 2: and and and the the willingness to and and in fact, 122 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:02,480 Speaker 2: the the commitment to forcibly subjugate others. It is profoundly dangerous. 123 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: And I would say, yon, in my view, Europe is 124 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:11,200 Speaker 2: ten to twenty years ahead of America in this and 125 00:08:11,240 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: in that Europe allowed itself to see a full on 126 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: invasion and and it really is in many ways captive 127 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: of the rising Islamist forced. America thankfully is not there yet, 128 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: but we can look to Europe as foreshadowing of where 129 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,360 Speaker 2: things could could end up? Do you agree with that assessment? 130 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: And and and look you were you were a member 131 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 2: of the Dutch Parliament, so you have a lot of 132 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,040 Speaker 2: experience in Europe and seeing what happened to Europe over 133 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 2: the last couple of decades. 134 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 3: Oh, Comte, I completely agree with you. And I think 135 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:50,119 Speaker 3: the countries to listen to today are the heartlands of Islam, 136 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: the rulers of the United Arab Immirates and maybe even 137 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:57,840 Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia, because in twenty ten, twenty eleven, twenty twelve, 138 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,839 Speaker 3: I think these countries will support Before that, they were 139 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 3: supporting the Muslim Brotherhood. They had welcomed them, they had 140 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 3: given access to their institutions of socialization, and then they 141 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 3: discovered that the ideology that the Muslim Brotherhood was committed 142 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 3: to was one that wanted to overthrow them. And from 143 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: that moment they were able to do that utah where 144 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,000 Speaker 3: they kicked out. They banned the Muslim Brotherhood, understanding them 145 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 3: number one to be a subversive effort, and terrorism and 146 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: jihadism is sort of a tool to help the subversive effort. 147 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:38,200 Speaker 3: So the Muslim Brotherhood is banned in the UAE, they 148 00:09:38,200 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 3: are banned in Egypt, in all of these countries, and 149 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 3: I think we should be doing the same thing. The 150 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 3: thing about the danger for us in Europe and in 151 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 3: the United States is the Muslim Brotherhood comes in legitimately saying, hey, 152 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 3: all we're doing is observing religion. We are taking advantage 153 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,679 Speaker 3: of our freedom for association, freedom of speech, freedom of 154 00:10:02,800 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 3: freedom of freedom of and they're using these freedoms to 155 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 3: subvert our own societies. And I think that is the 156 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: trick for us. You, as a senator in Congress, you're 157 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: going to have to grapple with the question, how do 158 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: I deal with a subversive effort like this one that's 159 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: seeking to destroy our system while at the same time 160 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: not violating those freedoms. That's something that some of these 161 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 3: Arab countries don't have to deal with. Singapore doesn't want 162 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,160 Speaker 3: to deal with. That's our problem. I compare the Muslim Brotherhood. 163 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: If you ask me, if can you explain it to 164 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 3: someone who doesn't know, I'll say, hey, if you live 165 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 3: in Texas, have you ever been confronted with a termite infestation? 166 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,720 Speaker 3: When I was little and we lived in Mogadishu, we 167 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 3: had termites and they would eat up into some of 168 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 3: this valuable wooden. Like my grandmother had this enormous cupboard 169 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,079 Speaker 3: that she had been moving from Adam and Yemen all 170 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 3: the way here, and from one day to the next, 171 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: the whole thing came it. She moved it and it 172 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 3: just fell and she discovered in the back what these 173 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 3: teeny tiny termites that were acting as a colony. They 174 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,960 Speaker 3: were eating away at it. And that is the Muslim Brotherhood. 175 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 3: It's a bottom up operation. It's decentralized, it's globalized. One 176 00:11:23,520 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 3: day they'll speak the language of peace and unity and 177 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 3: the next the language of jihad and war and it's very, 178 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: very difficult for us to look at this, but because 179 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 3: they've been around since nineteen twenty eight, for those of 180 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 3: us who really want to see the truth, we can 181 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 3: see it. 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Backyard 215 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: Butchers dot Com promo code Verdict to get up to 216 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: thirty percent off and two free ten ounce ribbis plus 217 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 1: free shipping Right now the US, it seems to be 218 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: really really I think smart in a way where it's 219 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 1: almost like they have time where they grow while dormant, 220 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: while peaceful, And as I've studied them more than I 221 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: I honestly ever thought I would because of what we've 222 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: seen over the last fifteen years, it's like they have 223 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: these these ups and downs where it's like, here's a 224 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: time to build and be quiet and look like we're 225 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: peaceful as we plan for the next big thing that 226 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: we do. Is that part of the reason why they've 227 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: been able to stay around and continue to grow around 228 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: the world for so long. 229 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 3: Absolutely also because they operate on a different timeline that 230 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 3: it's very important to bear that in mind. They know 231 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 3: that in the United States, we operate, oh yeah, two 232 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: years to the midterm, four years to the presidential election. 233 00:14:39,520 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: So they think, oh, these white Western Christians they have 234 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: two year and four year timelines. They have one hundred 235 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 3: year timeline two hundred and three hundred as long as 236 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 3: Islam becomes dominant and they can impose Sharia that is 237 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: their faith. Number one. Number Two, they form alliances with 238 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 3: organizations and movements that are completely different from them. So 239 00:15:02,520 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: for instance, the Communist Marxists again infestation that is there 240 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: to destroy us. They form alliances with them because they 241 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: have that common goal of as long as we bring 242 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 3: down the structures of America, way down down the road, 243 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 3: we're going to figure out who is going to dominate. Now, 244 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,880 Speaker 3: let me give you one hint. In the years prior 245 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:33,200 Speaker 3: to nineteen seventeen nine in Iran the Islamists and the 246 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: Marxists were operating together. What happened when they succeeded in 247 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 3: their goal of destroying the Shah and his regime. The 248 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 3: Islamists then destroyed the Communists. So that is a warning 249 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 3: for the Marxist to say, I don't know who's going 250 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 3: to destroy itself. 251 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So what do you make of the Red Green Alliance? 252 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 2: And that seems to be that the energy and passion 253 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 2: behind Zood Mandani? What do you make of Mandani? And 254 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 2: as someone who has come from Somalia, who has seen this, 255 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: how do you assess what's happening in New York. 256 00:16:15,120 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 3: Well, the way I see it is Mamdani is a 257 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: reflection of both movements. So he is a watermelon, the 258 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 3: son of a watermelon, and he comes in. 259 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 2: Saying, explain watermelon to someone who hasn't heard that before. 260 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: It's the Red Green Alliance. If you've ever seen a watermelon, 261 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 3: it's green on the outside. We say Islamist or political 262 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 3: Islam on the outside, and read communist or Marxist on 263 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: the inside. So they have a common objective, which is 264 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: the hate capitalism. They hate our system of government. They 265 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 3: have each of them. There's the green utopia, which is 266 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 3: the world is going to be dominated by Islam and 267 00:16:58,800 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 3: we'll have shari la then everything will be well. And 268 00:17:01,800 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 3: then of course you have the red the Marxists that 269 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: they're going to destroy capitalism and. 270 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:10,040 Speaker 2: So ayan what does it mean to live under sharia law? 271 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 2: Like what would it mean for America if the Islamists succeeded, 272 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 2: as they're moving closer and closer to doing in Europe, 273 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 2: What would that mean As a practical matter. 274 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 3: It would mean a great deal of violence, chaos. Women 275 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 3: will be the subjects of men. I mean, they'll have 276 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:35,280 Speaker 3: absolutely no rights. Non Muslims will be subjected to the 277 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 3: Jews are How do I explain that it's a lower 278 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:42,439 Speaker 3: status for non Muslims if you're only people of the book, 279 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 3: Because if you're Jewish, you're going to be subjected to 280 00:17:45,520 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 3: what Jewish people who are subjected to. On October seven, 281 00:17:49,800 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 3: you see these. 282 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: You're talking about violence and rape and murder, violence. 283 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:58,000 Speaker 3: Rape matter. I'm talking about floggings, public floggings. I'm talking 284 00:17:58,000 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 3: about public stonings. Some of the horrors that you now 285 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 3: see in Nigeria, you see in parts of Indonesia, you 286 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 3: saw in Afghanistan, you still see it. Do you remember 287 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 3: how the Taliban had promised a few years ago to 288 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 3: the Biden administration or we're not we're going to give 289 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,280 Speaker 3: women their rights, but they have denied women rights to 290 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: go to school, they have denied women tried to do anything. Basically, 291 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,240 Speaker 3: you become sun factories. It is what I was told 292 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 3: when I was forced into marriage. The man I was 293 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 3: about to be married of, he said, you're going to 294 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 3: have six sons for me or else. This is well known. 295 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 3: I mean, it is going to be. It's going to 296 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 3: be the worst human existence you can ever imagine. It's 297 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 3: a death cult. 298 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 2: Okay, so ye on, let me ask you why. Because 299 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 2: on the left, many leftists also consider themselves feminists, and 300 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 2: by the way, other leftists consider themselves LGBT activist. Is 301 00:18:56,760 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 2: Islamism consistent with any feminists notion or any notion of LGBT. 302 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 3: Rights absolutely not Look in the countries where Sharia law 303 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 3: is actually applied. Homosexuals, the LGBT community, they are taken 304 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:18,800 Speaker 3: to the tallest structures, tallest buildings, towers or whatever, and 305 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 3: they're thrown off from there. That is the law. The 306 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:26,240 Speaker 3: law is to execute homosexuals. Women are to be covered 307 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 3: and not to be seen. They are completely submissive. So 308 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 3: that is sharier law as it is applied anywhere in reality. 309 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 3: But there is this political expediency where people who are 310 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 3: on the far left, the Antifas of this world, the 311 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:45,919 Speaker 3: Mamdani or one wing of the Mamdani followers, they think 312 00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,240 Speaker 3: we are the ones. Once we get you know, once 313 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 3: we destroy America, once we destroy the existing structures, they 314 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 3: think that they're going to dominate, and that's just not 315 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 3: how it works. But hey, why spoil their party? If 316 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 3: Okasio quote thinks that she and mom Danny have something 317 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: in common, why spoil the party. I think the rest 318 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 3: of us are going to say, no, we don't want 319 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 3: any of these collectivists subversive efforts and ask the question, 320 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:17,240 Speaker 3: how is it possible that the capitalist city, the finance 321 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:23,359 Speaker 3: city of the wild Manhattan is about to elect these people? 322 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 2: And what's your take on that? Are you surprised by 323 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 2: the rise of Mandani. What is given your life experience. 324 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 2: Is this surprising to you or not? 325 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: It's not surprising because in the last thirty forty years, 326 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 3: I think what we have seen is this display of 327 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:51,439 Speaker 3: extreme lethal carelessness on the part of American elites, where 328 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 3: we have come to think of ourselves as invincible. We 329 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,000 Speaker 3: just think if we have enough materialism, that everybody is 330 00:20:59,040 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: going to be attractive to who we are and what 331 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 3: we do, and we don't have to worry about these 332 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 3: collectivist ideologies. We kill the Christianity, we kill the spirituality. 333 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 3: We turned our backs on our foundational principles, and we're 334 00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: paying the price. And we're paying the price because our 335 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 3: institutions of education from K to twelve, the universities, we've 336 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,919 Speaker 3: allowed these people to take over and to preach. And 337 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 3: when I look at a stadium full of people in 338 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 3: New York that are cheering on Ocasio Cortez and Mom Danny, 339 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 3: I think we are paying the price of this carelessness. 340 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: For me, being able to protect my family is my 341 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: number one priority. And you've heard me talk to my 342 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: good friend Josh from Berna about real stories of people 343 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: just like you and me that have used their Burner 344 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,639 Speaker 1: launcher protect themselves and their families. Now, berner is a 345 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 1: handheld pistol that fires both kinetic rounds and chemical irritants 346 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 1: to separate you from an attacker. You can see the 347 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: videos of how this works at Berna dot com and 348 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 1: I'll tell you more about that in a moment. But Josh, 349 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,679 Speaker 1: just back with me today to tell a story of 350 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: how I burn a launcher could help avoid a tragedy. 351 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: This was actually a story that happened in my hometown 352 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 1: of Houston. 353 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 4: This is such a tragic story that just recently happened. 354 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,200 Speaker 4: One night recently here in Houston, an eleven year old 355 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 4: Julian Gouzlin and his cousin were banging on neighbors doors 356 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 4: and running away before they were answered a generation's old 357 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 4: game that we all know is ding dong ditch well. 358 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 4: When they came to the residence of Gonzalo Lee On Junior. 359 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 4: Gonzalo would later state that the two banged on his 360 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 4: door multiple times, and believing they were there to try 361 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 4: to break into his home, Gonzalo exited the house and 362 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 4: fired at Julian with a handgun, ultimately killing him. Now, 363 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,240 Speaker 4: while in Texas, like many States we have strong standiard 364 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,320 Speaker 4: ground and castle doctrine laws, but homeowners still may only 365 00:22:45,400 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 4: use deadly force when it's immediately necessary to prevent assault, robbery, 366 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 4: or other crimes after someone unlawfully enters their property. And 367 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 4: I think everyone can agree that no matter where you live. 368 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 4: And in this case, that did not meet those requirements, 369 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,200 Speaker 4: and unfortunately the homeowner in this case is no. I've 370 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 4: been arrested for murder with a bond set of a 371 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 4: million dollars and prosecutors have stated that they will be 372 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,160 Speaker 4: seeking the death penalty. 373 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,280 Speaker 1: If a homeowner thinks someone may be breaking in, what 374 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,960 Speaker 1: should their priorities be and how should burn A fit 375 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: into that plan is a really important question everyone should 376 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: be asking. 377 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 4: No matter where you live, your plan should be to 378 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 4: escape to get to a safe location, and many times 379 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,879 Speaker 4: that doesn't mean engaging the intruders directly. Burn is great 380 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 4: for using either chemical arounds with the kinetic grounds to 381 00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 4: buy you and your family time to get out and 382 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 4: get to safety, which should be your main priority. 383 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: If you want to know more about exactly what BURNA 384 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: can do to help you protect your family, see the 385 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:41,239 Speaker 1: videos and see how it works. Go to burn up 386 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,439 Speaker 1: BYRNA dot com. There's a reason why I bought it 387 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 1: for all of my family members and why I have 388 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: it in every one of my cars. Burn up b 389 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: Why RNA dot com? Again, that's burna dot com. I 390 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,359 Speaker 1: asked you this question. You look at Europe for a second, 391 00:23:56,480 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: and as Senator said earlier, hopefully they're ten to twenty 392 00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:04,160 Speaker 1: years ahead of us and that we can actually combat 393 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: this before it gets to that point. But when you 394 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: look at Mandani and AOC and the Lamo Mars and 395 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: the others that have really started to grow and they 396 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: have a genuine following in the uniteds America, how much 397 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: of the plan of the Muslim brotherhood and excitement is 398 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: there to know? They have these types of advocates that 399 00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,159 Speaker 1: aren't just saying things yes, but are getting elected and 400 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:26,720 Speaker 1: are becoming more powerful. 401 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,440 Speaker 3: So I think there's a scenario where in America I'm 402 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 3: more hopeful because at least eighty percent of Americans don't 403 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,439 Speaker 3: believe in this BS. We have people who come from 404 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: Latin American places like Venezuela, Cuba, I mean, Sanata, Cruz. 405 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 3: You know this better than I do. People like me. 406 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 3: I've lived through that BS, so I know I don't 407 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 3: want communism. Okay, I'm not illan. 408 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,400 Speaker 2: You're experience at vers hand, Yeah, I've experienced. 409 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 3: Yeah. So if we get it right in America, and 410 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 3: I think we can get it right in America, we 411 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: are in a place maybe where we can be of 412 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 3: help and rescue our European counterparts and the rest of 413 00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 3: Western civilization. 414 00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: So let me ask you a bit. Let me ask 415 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 2: a bit more about your personal journey. So you were 416 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 2: raised as a Muslim, and you embraced for a period 417 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 2: of time political Islam, Islamism, and then then you came 418 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:30,000 Speaker 2: to reject it, and you spent a lot of years 419 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: as a very vocal atheist. And my understanding is now 420 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: you become a Christian, and I'd love to hear about 421 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: about why you became a Christian. 422 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,199 Speaker 3: I think maybe you should see that sort of like 423 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 3: a ripening, like peeling away. When you first come to 424 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: Western civilization, you see the glitter and glamor, which is 425 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:52,919 Speaker 3: what I saw when I landed in Frankote in nineteen 426 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 3: ninety two. My goodness, everything was gleaming, these tall buildings 427 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 3: and wealth, and so you go beyond that layer and 428 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 3: I started to ask questions why these countries rich and 429 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,160 Speaker 3: united and solid. While where I come from, even though 430 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 3: we claim to have the last profit and we claim 431 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 3: to be superior morally speaking, why are we living in impublishment? 432 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 3: Why are we here begging for arts? And when I 433 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 3: took political science in the University of Leiden, I was 434 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: lucky enough to have professors that taught me to keep 435 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 3: asking questions, to learn how to think, not what to think. 436 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,520 Speaker 3: And my tribute goes to these professors. One of them 437 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 3: recently died, Professor Anderwech, who is really empirical. I mean, 438 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 3: he taught me you've got to understand what it is 439 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:52,440 Speaker 3: before you talk about what should be. But at any 440 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 3: in any case, I want to say, having lived through 441 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 3: and touched the bottom of the promised utopia of sharia law, 442 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 3: the promised topia of communism, and knowing there is nothing 443 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:13,280 Speaker 3: there but death like poverty, there is nothing there but 444 00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:19,119 Speaker 3: oppression and suppression, There's nothing there but misery. I'm in 445 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 3: a place where now I have come to see that 446 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 3: the only way we fight those ideologies is by getting 447 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: to the bottom of what are then the solid foundations 448 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 3: of Western civilization. That is Biblical, it's judae or Christian. 449 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: It is. 450 00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 3: The salmon on the Mound. I mean, there is no 451 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: denying it. It is the principles on which America is 452 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 3: founded on. And right now America has been served well. 453 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: But over time, I think if you have two competing ideas, 454 00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 3: it's the idea of communism, it's the idea of Islamism, 455 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,720 Speaker 3: and then it's the idea of America. And I want 456 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 3: the idea of America to win and I want to 457 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 3: dedicate my life to that. 458 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 2: Amen, let me ask you. We were talking about the 459 00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood. For our listeners, tell them what is the 460 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:16,200 Speaker 2: Muslim Brotherhood? As you know, I've had I have legislation 461 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 2: I've introduced in multiple Congresses to designate the Muslim Brotherhood 462 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: as a terrorist organization. And in the first Trump administration 463 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:27,439 Speaker 2: I came close to succeeding. I didn't quite convince the 464 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: President in the first term to designate the Muslim Brotherhood 465 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: as a terrorist organization. I believe I will succeed in 466 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: the second term. I think we're going to get it designated. 467 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: But tell us give it a little give us a 468 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 2: little bit of history and context of what the Brotherhood 469 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: is and your judgment on whether it is in fact 470 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 2: a terrorist organization and should be designated as such. 471 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 3: I think the challenge for you, Senator Cruz, is going 472 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: to be that you are going to have to understand 473 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: the two concepts as you legislate, and it's going to 474 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 3: be difficult, but I think you can do it. One 475 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,640 Speaker 3: part of it is the terrorist aspect of it, which 476 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 3: is the application of jihad or violence. The other aspect, 477 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: the other side of the Muslim Brotherhood, is the subversive 478 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:18,480 Speaker 3: effort which we have had. We are an open society. 479 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: Maybe we will debate what an open society means or 480 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 3: doesn't mean, but it's easy to access open societies if 481 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:37,719 Speaker 3: you are a subversive, if you apply the subversive method, 482 00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 3: and so for you on a legislative basis, you will 483 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,160 Speaker 3: have to not only address the terrorist aspect which carries 484 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 3: the violence, but also the DAA, the subversive part of it. 485 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 3: The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in nineteen twenty eight by 486 00:29:55,920 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 3: a teacher, Hassan Albana in Egypt, and what he understood 487 00:30:01,400 --> 00:30:08,480 Speaker 3: was that he had to deal with the fragmentation of Islam. 488 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: As he understood it, Islam was no longer an empire. 489 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 3: Islam now was subjugated to the European powers that had 490 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 3: developed nation states. In the nation state of Egypt, he 491 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: understood that if he ever wanted to get state power, 492 00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 3: he would have to work very slowly and bottom up. 493 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: Start with the individual, the family, society. He preached about 494 00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: forming charities and then over time and time for them 495 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 3: seems a completely different concept than what we have having 496 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:51,040 Speaker 3: persuaded as many people as possible taking on the levers 497 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 3: of the state. That is the method that they apply. 498 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: They've honed it. This is a method that's now become 499 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 3: improved over time. In Arab countries, it no longer works 500 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:12,360 Speaker 3: because Arab dominating governments have come to understand that this 501 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 3: thing has come for them, So now they work. In 502 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 3: Europe and in America, they set up masks and then schools, 503 00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:26,840 Speaker 3: Islamic centers. They'll apply a whole neighborhood and over time 504 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 3: they want to grow and like do you remember the 505 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 3: litmus paper when you drop, sure, just the way it spreads. 506 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 3: That is the way they wanted to take over societies, 507 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 3: and they have succeeded. I mean, look at Dearborn, Michigan 508 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,360 Speaker 3: for us in the United States of America, but when 509 00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:48,400 Speaker 3: you go to the UK, France, Sweden, these are societies 510 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 3: that are being taken over as they watch it and 511 00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,680 Speaker 3: they stand there and they all say, there's nothing we 512 00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:59,040 Speaker 3: can do because of the constitution. So the local constitutions, 513 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 3: national construtitutions have become documents that the Muslim Brotherhood can 514 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 3: wave to say you can't stop us, because everything we 515 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,200 Speaker 3: do is legal, everything we do is peaceful or nonviolent. 516 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: They'll apply the violence when they need it, but clearly 517 00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 3: they don't need to apply the violence because with. 518 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 2: The explained to an American who has not seen it, 519 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: you just talked about how European countries were taken over 520 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 2: by the Brotherhood in Islabis, make that real. Explain what 521 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,600 Speaker 2: that means and what exactly has happened, because I think 522 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 2: that is a powerful warning to what could happen here 523 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 2: as well. 524 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 3: When I was a member of Parliament in two thousand 525 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 3: and six and I was brought in to be the 526 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:50,880 Speaker 3: voice of modernity in Westernism, here's a woman from Somalia, whatever, 527 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 3: look at her, she has assimilated, blah blah blah. So 528 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 3: they brought me in. But then in two thousand and 529 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 3: six we had local elections. The local election the Netherlands 530 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 3: is a very small country and there are four large 531 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 3: cities the Hague, Amsterdam, Rotterdam and Utrecht. If my party, 532 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 3: the VVD, which was the center right party, wanted to 533 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 3: win any of these urban cities, I had to be 534 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:20,440 Speaker 3: told to go there and say Islam is a religion 535 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: of peace. I said, I'm not going to say anything 536 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 3: of the sort. I've got six armed guards. I'm not 537 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 3: going to say ISLAMI is a religion of peace. 538 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 2: Repeat that for a second. You had six arm guards. 539 00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,959 Speaker 2: Why is that who was trying to kill you? 540 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 3: What I was the people who were trying to kill 541 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 3: me was the protected minority of Muslims, many of them 542 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 3: who were radicalized by the Muslim local Muslim brotherhood in 543 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 3: the Netherlands, and the local Muslim brotherhood had control of 544 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:59,160 Speaker 3: the larger Muslim communities, and at that point we knew 545 00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 3: that not all Muslims in the Netherlands were loyal to them. 546 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 3: But it was like the mafia. If you're a Muslim 547 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 3: living in the Netherlands in one of these large cities, 548 00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,040 Speaker 3: if they told you vote this way, you vote that way. 549 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 3: And so the woman who was sort of sent in 550 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 3: their colored immigrant whatever, she was saying, I can't win 551 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 3: the votes. If Ian is saying is making these statements 552 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 3: about Islam and the position of women and homosexuals and 553 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 3: Christians and Jews and all of these things. So in 554 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 3: order for me to win the vote, or to even 555 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 3: be competitive, I have to at least accommodate them in 556 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 3: some of these policies. Now, what are the policies that 557 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:47,239 Speaker 3: they were looking for. They wanted to enshrine Islamophobia as law. 558 00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 3: They wanted to the government of the Netherlands to leave 559 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 3: them alone so that they could treat women the way 560 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 3: they wanted. They wanted FGM, they wanted on a killing. 561 00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:59,959 Speaker 2: They just wanted to explain FG. 562 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 3: Female general mutilation, that is the cutting of the genitals 563 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 3: of women. I mean it is as a five year 564 00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 3: old girl. They take I'm talking to men here, but 565 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,759 Speaker 3: to look at the female generals. You cut the inner 566 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 3: labya the outer labya, and you saw so that you 567 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 3: know on the day of your wedding you can be 568 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 3: presented to your husband as a virgin. And this is 569 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 3: this is something that predated Islam, but obviously embraced by 570 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 3: Muslims and spread across the globe by the Muslim brotherhood. 571 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 3: But this is some of the policies that we had 572 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: to deal with they had. They wanted Sharia tribunals for marriage, 573 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 3: divorce and that sort of thing. They were bringing in 574 00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:45,759 Speaker 3: Sharia in a stealthily way. And if you wanted to 575 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 3: win these elections in these large cities. That was in 576 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 3: the Netherlands, but now it's in France, it's in Belgium, 577 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,360 Speaker 3: it's in the United Kingdom, it's all over Europe. So 578 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 3: we're talking about demographics which they control. And so as 579 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,520 Speaker 3: a politician, I think you understand numbers when it comes 580 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 3: to winning elections, and they held those numbers, and this 581 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,799 Speaker 3: is what you have to understand. So you can't just 582 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 3: legislate on the tell. You can't just declare them a 583 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,760 Speaker 3: terrorist organization. You have to deal with the subversive efforts, 584 00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:21,239 Speaker 3: the fact that they control schools, boarding schools. 585 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,080 Speaker 1: I want to take a moment and just talk to 586 00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 1: you real quick about an incredible opportunity for you to 587 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: continue to expand your mind and learn, no matter what 588 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,560 Speaker 1: your age is. Senator Cruz and I were at the 589 00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: memorial service for Charlie Kirk and one of the people 590 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: that spoke was the president of Hillsdale College, and he 591 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: talked about meeting with Charlie early on and how he 592 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 1: said you're going to have to work hard, You're going 593 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,640 Speaker 1: to have to suffer, and you're going to have to 594 00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: continue to learn when he was so young, and he 595 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:54,080 Speaker 1: talked about all of the classes that Charlie ended up 596 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:58,920 Speaker 1: taking at Hillsdale. I immediately said, I want the listeners 597 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:00,600 Speaker 1: of this show to be able to have the same 598 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: opportunity to do that. There are amazing classes history, economics, 599 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 1: the great works of literature, the meaning of the US Constitution. 600 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: And if you didn't say these things in school, or 601 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,719 Speaker 1: maybe you did, but you were, like, you know, just 602 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,879 Speaker 1: trying to check the box and make the grade when 603 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 1: you're twenty, Now is a great time for you to 604 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,200 Speaker 1: go back and learn so much more. Hillsdale College is 605 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:25,320 Speaker 1: offering more than forty free I want to say that again, 606 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: forty free online courses. That's right, more than forty free 607 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: online courses. You can learn about the works of C. S. Lewis, 608 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: the stories in the Book of Genesis, the meaning of 609 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,799 Speaker 1: the US Constitution. I'm doing that when it's incredible, the 610 00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: rise and fall of the Roman Republic, or the history 611 00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,400 Speaker 1: of the ancient Christian Church. With Hidale College's free online courses, 612 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: now I'm also looking at the Constitution one on one. 613 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,800 Speaker 1: It's amazing. I refresh your course and you can see 614 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,719 Speaker 1: and explore the design, the purpose of the Constitution, the 615 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 1: challenges it faced in the Civil War, and how it's 616 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: been undermined for more than a century by progressives and liberals. 617 00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:07,120 Speaker 1: This twelve lecture course is self paced, so you start 618 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 1: whenever you want to, and it is truly amazing. So 619 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: how do you do this? You can go right now 620 00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:21,360 Speaker 1: to Hillsdale dot edu slash verdict to enroll. There is 621 00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: no cost and it's easy to get started. That's Hillsdale 622 00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:31,680 Speaker 1: dot edu slash verdict v E r dict to enroll 623 00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:35,200 Speaker 1: for free and take any one of these classes. Take 624 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:39,200 Speaker 1: advantage of it. It's free Hillsdale dot edu slash v 625 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 1: E R d I c T Verdict and go check 626 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: out the amazing classes they have there. 627 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,400 Speaker 2: Tell us what's happening in Nigeria, And as you know, 628 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,360 Speaker 2: I've been very vocal calling out the mass murder of Christians. 629 00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 2: Over fifty thousand Christians have been murdered in Nigeria since 630 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:58,600 Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. Over twenty thousand churches and schools 631 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 2: have been destroyed, burned the ground and you have Boko 632 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,360 Speaker 2: Haram and other radical Islamic terrorist groups that are targeting 633 00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 2: and persecuting Christians in particular. And I will tell you 634 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,600 Speaker 2: the government of Nigeria is very unhappy with me. They 635 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 2: have decried my saying this. I have introduced legislation to 636 00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: designate them a country a special concern And the government 637 00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,680 Speaker 2: in Nigeria is very unhappy. And I've said, look that 638 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 2: there are far too many government leaders who have turned 639 00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,600 Speaker 2: a blind eyed to what is happening, who have acquiesced 640 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:29,040 Speaker 2: in what is happening, who are enforcing either Sharia laws 641 00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 2: or blasphemy laws and facilitating the persecution of Christians. And 642 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:38,400 Speaker 2: as I said, the Nigerian government has been vigorously resisting 643 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:41,080 Speaker 2: me in this. Give me your judgment. What do you 644 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,680 Speaker 2: see happening in Nigeria and what do you think is 645 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 2: actually the truth. 646 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,279 Speaker 3: Nigeria is the most important African country. It has the 647 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,320 Speaker 3: largest population and obviously there's a vying for control between 648 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,719 Speaker 3: on the one hand, the Islamic States of Nigeria and 649 00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:08,480 Speaker 3: the Christian States of Nigeria. And it used to be 650 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 3: about fifty to fifty, but because the Islamist movement, Bokoharam 651 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,759 Speaker 3: and others. They want to apply force, the Jihadis force. 652 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:21,560 Speaker 3: It's sort of gruesome killing that we've seen in October seven, 653 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:26,040 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three in Israel. So what is going on 654 00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:32,479 Speaker 3: in Nigeria. The Islamists in Nigeria are killing Christians, They're 655 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:37,680 Speaker 3: burning their churches, They're raping their women, they are invoking 656 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 3: blasphemilais So in the southern regions of Nigeria, Sharia law 657 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,080 Speaker 3: is the law. And if you say Tadkruz has you 658 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:49,200 Speaker 3: know he said something bad against Islam, you can have 659 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 3: a mob come and lynch you and there's nothing you 660 00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 3: can do about it. But then the government should be 661 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 3: doing something about it. And the government isn't doing anything 662 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 3: about it. Now, what is the characteristic of the government 663 00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 3: of nai It's corrupt. The elites in Nigeria, whether they 664 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 3: are Muslim or whether they are Christian, they're in this bubble, 665 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 3: and I think that bubble has to be burst in 666 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,879 Speaker 3: a comfort bubble. I don't really think that they care 667 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,600 Speaker 3: about that much about or are hell responsible or accountable 668 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,440 Speaker 3: or transparent for what is going on with a large 669 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:24,160 Speaker 3: majority of the Nigerian population. And that's what you see. 670 00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,680 Speaker 3: And we give a lot of money as the United 671 00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 3: States and legitimacy to this government. We've got to hold 672 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 3: them accountable. And I couldn't be more pleased that you 673 00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,839 Speaker 3: are involved in this, Senator Cruz, you're calling them out 674 00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,920 Speaker 3: and you're going to say, if you want to be Allian, 675 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:43,200 Speaker 3: our friend, we need you to uphold your end of 676 00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 3: being a responsible and responsive government. There's a goal. 677 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:51,600 Speaker 2: There are more Christians being murdered in Nigeria than any 678 00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 2: country on planet Earth. Now, one thing you said that 679 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,719 Speaker 2: I thought was interesting and I think many of our 680 00:41:56,719 --> 00:42:00,800 Speaker 2: listeners will not have heard this before you said your judgment, 681 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,120 Speaker 2: Nigeria is the most important African country. To tell tell 682 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,719 Speaker 2: our listeners why that is because many will will not 683 00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,600 Speaker 2: have a deep familiarity with that. 684 00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 3: It has the largest population, it has oil resources, the 685 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,839 Speaker 3: population is very young, it's English speaking, highly educated. Let 686 00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 3: me just give you an example, Kemi Barano, I hope 687 00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,480 Speaker 3: the future Prime Minister of the United Kingdom is from 688 00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 3: Nigeria and is Christian. So if we were, if you know, 689 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 3: in our relationship with right now Prussia, China, et cetera. 690 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,800 Speaker 3: I think the continent as a whole, the continent of Africa, 691 00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 3: which is home to over a billion people. 692 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,640 Speaker 2: Yes, and growing a young population that is growing. 693 00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:50,880 Speaker 3: It's the youngest population and it's the only population on 694 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,960 Speaker 3: planet art that is growing as happily as it's doing right, 695 00:42:55,840 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 3: And so Nigeria is strategically important. Nigeria is is a 696 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 3: sort of country that should be our ally and there 697 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:09,800 Speaker 3: is a huge Christian population that means they share norms 698 00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 3: and values with us and we should not be abandoning Nigeria. 699 00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:19,399 Speaker 3: And so the population is pro American. But then they 700 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,960 Speaker 3: are let down by their government. And I think that 701 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,920 Speaker 3: can change if we were even to bring a little 702 00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:27,439 Speaker 3: bit of leverage down on them. 703 00:43:27,960 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 1: Because when we have that leverage. When you say a 704 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: little bit of leverage, what do you mean, like, what 705 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:36,439 Speaker 1: would the leverage look like that you think could could 706 00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 1: literally save lives, especially Christian lives and Nigeria who are 707 00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: being attacked right now. 708 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:47,719 Speaker 3: Well, it starts from the amounts of development aid money 709 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:52,640 Speaker 3: that we give them. We could apply sanctions. 710 00:43:54,120 --> 00:44:01,120 Speaker 2: I mean, well, my legislation with sanctions particular government officials, 711 00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 2: so government officials at the local level who are engaged 712 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,320 Speaker 2: in facilitating and acquiescing in this persecution. And so it's 713 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:14,640 Speaker 2: designed to use the power of the US economy and 714 00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,720 Speaker 2: US sanctions to incentivize different behavior. 715 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:23,960 Speaker 3: Absolutely, and incentivized as legitimacy is really important for them 716 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,160 Speaker 3: to keep their money in America to you know, all 717 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 3: of these the private jets they come and they play 718 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,320 Speaker 3: in America and American allies even when they play in Europe. 719 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 3: I think we have a say over that. But I 720 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 3: don't want to go into the details of that, but 721 00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 3: I think we can leverage our influence to make the 722 00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 3: Nigerian government stop the violence immediately they have sharia law 723 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 3: in the southern regions. We can and then we say, oh, 724 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,919 Speaker 3: human rights, this, that and the other. Where you have 725 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 3: sharia law, you do not have human rights? Are you crazy? 726 00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 2: Absolute? Absolutely, and we need to stand up and we 727 00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,319 Speaker 2: need to fight vigorously to prevent it here in the 728 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,600 Speaker 2: United States. Okay, final topic, and we're going to wrap 729 00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 2: up in just a couple of minutes. But you were 730 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:13,759 Speaker 2: born in Somalia, as you know, I've publicly called on 731 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,400 Speaker 2: the Trump administration to recognize Somali Land as a separate 732 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:22,759 Speaker 2: and independent nation. Tell our viewers what you think about that, 733 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,360 Speaker 2: and if you think that makes sense, tell them why. 734 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,719 Speaker 3: I think we should reward Somali Land for what they 735 00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 3: have achieved. They have been since nineteen six the former 736 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 3: dictatorial government sier Bar. They were massacred, but they were 737 00:45:39,719 --> 00:45:42,880 Speaker 3: leevered into becoming part of Somalia. They became part of 738 00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,840 Speaker 3: Somalia and they have come to live to regret it. 739 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 3: But at the moment, very quickly, they are the only 740 00:45:49,239 --> 00:45:54,200 Speaker 3: viable nation state. They have a homogeneous population, they speak 741 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,360 Speaker 3: one language, and there is a narrative of national identity, 742 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:01,040 Speaker 3: of common suffering but also common survival. You know, as 743 00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,680 Speaker 3: a Somali, I will tell you something I'm not I'm 744 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,839 Speaker 3: an American, but born in Somali. I will say that 745 00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,759 Speaker 3: one of the things that we Smaris excel at is 746 00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:15,520 Speaker 3: in vengeance. But the leadership of Somaliland have decided after 747 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 3: nineteen ninety one that they are not going to channel 748 00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:22,320 Speaker 3: the energy of their population into vengeance but build into building. 749 00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,960 Speaker 3: What is a nation and they are economically violent. I 750 00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 3: think that may have oil and gas. I think that 751 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 3: they could be a strategic partner. 752 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 2: I admire, and they want to stand with America. They 753 00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 2: are standing up with the United States. It is in 754 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:46,920 Speaker 2: our national interest to recognize Somaliland to have a a 755 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,720 Speaker 2: major ally on the Horn of Africa, that is standing 756 00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:54,839 Speaker 2: with us. That's significant. And look, I am someone who 757 00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 2: is very much America first. We should be putting American 758 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,479 Speaker 2: national security interest first and records. Somali Land enhances those 759 00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,200 Speaker 2: interests absolutely. 760 00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,839 Speaker 3: They are absolutely on the same page as as they 761 00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:12,200 Speaker 3: and also they have recognized Israel, they have defined they 762 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:17,680 Speaker 3: have a defined territory, they have a permanent population, they 763 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:22,279 Speaker 3: issue passports. But the most important thing is that they 764 00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 3: hold elections one man, one vote for president, for parliament 765 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,080 Speaker 3: and local elections. And you can come and survey those 766 00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,720 Speaker 3: and see that they are actually in some ways better 767 00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,680 Speaker 3: than our American elections. And so I think Somali Land 768 00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,840 Speaker 3: should be rewarded for the fact that they have built 769 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,359 Speaker 3: a nation. They do not rely on development aid. They 770 00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 3: never relied on US eight. That's yeah. So please vibrate 771 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 3: them from what is Somalia Mogadishu, which is just a 772 00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,800 Speaker 3: broken chihadi place. 773 00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 2: Well, I thank you for taking the time, thank you 774 00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,440 Speaker 2: for joining us. I think this is has been a 775 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 2: very informative podcast. I think our listeners are really going 776 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:06,840 Speaker 2: to get a lot out of it. Let me encourage 777 00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,800 Speaker 2: our listeners share this podcast if you want your friends, 778 00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 2: your family, to understand, understand the threat of political Islam, 779 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 2: what it means, what it's meant in Europe, what it 780 00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:20,920 Speaker 2: means here in America. I think it is an incredibly 781 00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:23,640 Speaker 2: important topic. It is a very real threat. It is 782 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,319 Speaker 2: a threat that I am committed to combating. And one 783 00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:30,759 Speaker 2: of the purposes of this podcast is to equip you, 784 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,880 Speaker 2: to give you information that when you're talking with your 785 00:48:33,920 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 2: friends and families and colleagues and co workers, that you 786 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,040 Speaker 2: know the truth. And Ayaan, I think this has been very, 787 00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:41,160 Speaker 2: very helpful to our listeners. So thank you so much 788 00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:41,799 Speaker 2: for joining us. 789 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you Ted. 790 00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,040 Speaker 1: Don't forget We do this show Monday, Wednesday and Friday, 791 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:50,279 Speaker 1: so that subscribe or that auto download button wherever you are, 792 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,759 Speaker 1: and like the Center said, please share this on social media. 793 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 1: It's on YouTube as well. You can watch it and 794 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: share it there as well. In the center. I will 795 00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:58,440 Speaker 1: see you back here on Friday morning.