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The Dollar Crossover Special event Week three 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:54.000 of our Henry Kissinger series, and and the stress is 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:58.720 getting to everyone. Uh, David and Gareth fighting viciously. I'm 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:00.960 not I mean, I've been quite home. I just I 0:01:01.080 --> 0:01:05.320 just when I'm attacked. Like Henry Kissinger, I am attempting 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:08.280 to maintain a balance of power between you and Yeah 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:13.000 in the state, get it? You have the answers? Yes, Yes, 0:01:13.520 --> 0:01:19.160 Our podcasts are now bombing Cambodia. Um, finally show that 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:24.040 to Oh boy, well this is this is week three. 0:01:24.120 --> 0:01:26.400 Can you all believe we're already in the home stretch 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:31.240 of of this series? Is it week three? Yes? Wow? 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.200 Episodes five and six together for three weeks. I know 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.319 most podcasts don't make all of the guests live together, 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.840 but we do it. What do they? Yeah, I think 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:44.640 with like like the the Internet. I'm gonna have to 0:01:44.720 --> 0:01:48.680 look that up in my dictionary. I've enjoyed our time here. 0:01:48.720 --> 0:01:50.600 I would really like I don't I don't want to leave, 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:53.919 so I mean, but I mean, you know, we should. 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.240 I gotta go back to as a family. We could 0:01:57.240 --> 0:02:00.720 do another couple of episodes on Henry Kissinger. Uh, you know, 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:03.120 just do one a year for the next like five years. 0:02:03.240 --> 0:02:06.480 Here we will just be like a reunion show. Yeah, 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:09.960 what's Henry Kissinger up revival? Yeah, there's probably more chapters, 0:02:10.800 --> 0:02:14.520 hopefully just dead soon hopefully dead. I don't think that. 0:02:14.680 --> 0:02:16.840 I don't think that ends it. Somehow, I feel like 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.200 that's not gonna be enough. Yeah, we'll be doing the 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.040 episode about how Henry Kissinger brings the Army of Hell 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:26.240 back through a portal to somehow fight on both sides 0:02:26.320 --> 0:02:28.640 of the Ukrainian War, and the Army of Hell has 0:02:28.680 --> 0:02:32.040 been misled us to the rationale. They're like you said 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.440 that there was going to be a lot more slavery. Here, 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.239 go ahead, it's follow me. Come with me. I'll show 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:41.359 you where they w m D s Henry kissing it. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.400 I should have studied the Kissinger's accent before this totally. 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.160 But do you have an ear for accents? It's all right, 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.200 this will be so iconic that it will retroactively become 0:02:53.240 --> 0:02:57.799 Henry Kissinger's accent, kind of like the Nazis are now British. 0:02:57.840 --> 0:03:02.560 I do one, do one, just one stranger accent. I 0:03:02.680 --> 0:03:08.040 nail one thing perfect. It's like we're there. It's like 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:11.440 I am excited for when what's his name? The guy 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:16.000 who did vice of that director? What's his name? I'm 0:03:16.040 --> 0:03:20.200 talking about the Chainey. Yes, when Adam McKay does his 0:03:20.280 --> 0:03:23.440 Kissinger movie in ten more years, he'll use that accent. Tavid, 0:03:25.639 --> 0:03:29.160 that'll be great, David beyond set coaching Christian Bale. You 0:03:29.200 --> 0:03:35.360 know you're saying hello, and it's really like all o vera, 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.280 so hear it behind the bastards um and and at 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:44.360 the dollar which behind the Bastards is the Kirkland brand 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:48.040 version of we like to ask questions that historians all 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:50.960 too often try to ignore it, namely, how did bad 0:03:51.040 --> 0:03:57.000 people in history fuck? So? Yeah, we're talking about how 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:01.920 Kissinger bone? Um, are you excited for the state? No? No, 0:04:02.040 --> 0:04:08.000 I want to go? Can I leave? I make you 0:04:08.040 --> 0:04:10.080 know this is it is important to both cover the 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:12.360 historical crimes of a guy like Kissinger and and to 0:04:12.360 --> 0:04:15.520 get some personal color. And since we've spent four episodes 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:18.400 talking about his beliefs and his acts and power, it's 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:21.080 only fair that we now turn our furoscopes onto his 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.640 sex life. This episode is going to have base under it, 0:04:24.800 --> 0:04:32.719 right absolutely. Um, So, I think the best way for 0:04:32.760 --> 0:04:35.160 me to start this segment is by reading a quote 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.400 from a September nineteen seventy one article in the San 0:04:38.440 --> 0:04:41.719 Francisco Chronicle as a warning, guys, there is a thirty 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:43.320 percent chance this is going to give one of you 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.640 a stroke. No you mean wait, you mean we're gonna 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:51.800 be stroking it our actual that that is impossible to say. 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:56.680 Quote Henry Kissinger, sex symbol of the Nixon administration steps 0:04:57.400 --> 0:04:59.280 let a stick. I'm just gonna buite a stick just 0:04:59.440 --> 0:05:01.760 to be safe. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna get 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.520 a branch in my mouth. Steps out of his office 0:05:05.560 --> 0:05:08.600 onto a sun drenched San Clemente terrace with a cup 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:11.320 of black coffee and sits in a white deck chair 0:05:11.360 --> 0:05:17.880 with his legs crossed. The man who was pressured Moscow 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:21.040 drafted State of the World addresses, advised the president to 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.719 enter a Cambodia and paved the road to red China 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:27.080 appears as something of an anachronism, and his baggy midnight 0:05:27.120 --> 0:05:31.560 blue cotton trousers, black tie shoes, bright blue unfitted blazer, 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:35.120 blue and white striped shirt and striped tie. What you 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:41.360 guys hold then so far? I mean embedded reporter L L. Bean. 0:05:44.680 --> 0:05:48.200 Why I can't I can't imagine combining the fashion sense 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.560 with the war crime. It's so good because they acknowledged 0:05:52.640 --> 0:05:56.159 the war crimes and then talking about It's like Henry 0:05:56.160 --> 0:05:58.640 could be walking out a catwalk, like like you'll see 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.120 Henry right now in a tie, white pants suit. You 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.520 can see it's sucked to him. Henry, also known for 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:11.599 ruining Cambodia and Vietnam, continue to quote it comes mass motors, 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:16.359 sex machine kissing, You're oh no, it's an open robe. 0:06:18.560 --> 0:06:20.960 On the back wall you can see some victims of 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:25.720 the aged Orange campaign, and with in Vietnam and Henry Sucker. 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.839 You could notice the outline of his hog and those 0:06:32.960 --> 0:06:35.240 I don't know fancy pants brands. Otherwise I would have 0:06:35.240 --> 0:06:37.760 finished that, But I'm gonna finish the quote now, because 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:40.760 by god, there's more. What are you trying to do? 0:06:41.080 --> 0:06:44.320 Seduce me? Henry will tease as he notices his visitors 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.440 hot pants. You know, I like these hot pants very much. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.080 Then he'll light your cigarette, touching your hand as all 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:52.880 continentals do, offer you a cup of coffee, and discuss 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:55.760 trivia as readily as he would have Sino Soviet entaunt. 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.880 The impeccably tidy image is perfect for dealing with Alexei 0:06:58.960 --> 0:07:02.919 question or or Zouan Lie, or lecturing at Harvard, But 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.359 one cannot help wonder if the movie stars mind that 0:07:05.400 --> 0:07:08.559 the ankle socks of Washington's greatest swinger are falling down, 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.040 or that his wiry chestnut hair, which flashes golden in 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.000 the intense white sunlight, is too close crop to run 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.120 their fingers through, or that at least ten of his 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.160 hundred and seventy eight pounds protrude over his thin black belt, 0:07:20.440 --> 0:07:23.840 somehow shortening his five ft nine inches. But suddenly an 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:26.840 electric twinkle will flash through the intense blue of his eyes, 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.800 and one it touches an inkling of that movie star magnetism, 0:07:30.080 --> 0:07:32.520 that special quality which causes some people to call him 0:07:32.880 --> 0:07:38.040 cuddly Kissinger. How is the craziest thing that's happened so far? 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:45.160 How did that happen? Oh? Man, yeah, this is oh 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:49.560 my god, a bottom below the bottom folks look back 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:56.280 to just murdering us? How did that happen? What in 0:07:56.360 --> 0:07:58.760 the fund just went on? Is this a guy or 0:07:58.800 --> 0:08:02.320 a lady writing this? I think it's a late certain 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:07.720 it's a lady. Yeah, wants to well, who hold your 0:08:07.720 --> 0:08:10.280 hand when he lights your cigarette? Why did we have 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:14.560 to talk about Kissinger's chest air? Why? Why? Why? Indeed, 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:18.880 why indeed, David? Because can we na palm that? This 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:23.440 is what name palms for? Right? Speaking of made in 0:08:23.520 --> 0:08:26.520 that hair of Henry's. This has convinced me there is 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:32.079 a place for the B fifty two bomber in his pants. Boy, 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:39.680 that's what Henry calls little Hank. So bafflingly, almost impossibly, 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.160 it is not hard to find articles written at this 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:46.480 exact sexual tenor, and unfortunately I would I would love 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:48.400 to tell you guys that I'm sure this was like 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:52.199 a satire or a joke, but people were weirdly serious 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:55.040 about this kind of ship in nineteen seventy two. And 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:57.000 there's no way you're ready for what comes after this 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:01.439 part of the center in night. What In nineteen seventy two, 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:04.840 the Playboy Club hosted a poll of the bunnies and 0:09:04.920 --> 0:09:07.319 asked them who was quote the man I would mostly 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:11.400 not do that on a date with Henry Kissinger was 0:09:11.520 --> 0:09:18.679 number one? What in the no, no, what are the 0:09:18.800 --> 0:09:22.199 horrible indictment of the worst indictment of America that has 0:09:22.240 --> 0:09:24.959 ever been This is the most damning thing you can 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.880 say about it, right in the ground and the Playboy Mansion. 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:34.000 What how is that? I can't It's like we're in 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.880 the back to the future, Biff Timeline, Well, hold on, 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.839 the man who massacres hundreds of thousands knows how to fuck. 0:09:40.960 --> 0:09:43.480 That's just an old saying. That is that is an 0:09:43.480 --> 0:09:46.160 old saying. I want to funk you like the people 0:09:46.160 --> 0:09:54.600 of Vietnam Ov. So once the first few articles about 0:09:54.640 --> 0:10:00.520 Henry Kissinger's you know, sex symboltitude dropped um Kissinger himself 0:10:00.559 --> 0:10:04.600 started being questioned by reporters about the phenomenon. His standard 0:10:04.640 --> 0:10:08.360 reply became one of his most favorite famous quotes. Power 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:14.000 is the ultimate aphrodisiac. I mean, like there are there is. 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:18.480 I mean people are attracted to like psychos too, like 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:21.679 Ted Bundy had like a fan club, and like you know, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:24.800 like I mean like I've been compared to Jeffrey Dahmer 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:27.800 a number of times looks, which has always been a pleasure. 0:10:28.040 --> 0:10:31.400 And you're both very handsome young men, yes, thank you 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.800 so much. Uh, and both still in the primes of 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.280 our youth. Absolutely, it's still it's like if you feel 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.480 like there is a separation with him and what it 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.559 just seems very like a very strange connection. It's it's baffling. 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.080 Other than that, like, here's the sad thing. We're gonna 0:10:49.120 --> 0:10:51.720 get to this. It's not just that he's powerful, and 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:54.560 the other thing about him that makes him women so 0:10:54.640 --> 0:10:58.320 attracted to him is like bleak in a surprising way. 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:01.200 But but we'll we'll get to that. So famous women 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.600 loved being spotted on Kissinger's arm. One night he was 0:11:04.640 --> 0:11:07.520 sited at the Traitor vix in the Los Angeles like 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:11.280 flirting and holding hands with Jill st John, who played 0:11:11.320 --> 0:11:15.480 the very first Bond girl. What he dated the first 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:23.160 James Bond girl on he needs to be Yeah, she'll 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:30.600 st John to be honest. Fucking murder troll. Well so 0:11:30.679 --> 0:11:35.960 horrifying part. But who goes from Bond to murder munchkin? 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.120 I mean, Bond is kind of a murder like but 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:42.800 he's a good He's a good guy. Come on, always 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:46.640 a good guy. So while they were out on this date, 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.680 Jill st John and Kissinger were spotted by Anne Miller, 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:52.400 and was a dancer famous d answer at the time. 0:11:52.600 --> 0:11:55.760 She approached Kissinger and quote in a friendly way. These 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:58.760 are the words of biographer Walter Isaacson criticized him for 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:01.280 having fun in public while our boys in Vietnam are 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.760 getting their heads shot off. Kastinger responded, dourly, Miss Miller, 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:08.560 you don't know anything about me. I was miserable in 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.800 a marriage for most of my life. I never had 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.960 any fun. Now was my chance to enjoy myself. When 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:17.280 this administration goes out, I'm going back to being a professor. 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:19.600 But while I'm in the position i'm in, I'm damn 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:22.880 will going to make it count, I mean, really avoiding 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:29.520 the centralistation. No point does he acknowledge that that is 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:32.640 an unfair thing he's doing. He's just like, look, come on, 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:37.440 even us. You know, psychopaths need to have some fun. Yeah, 0:12:37.559 --> 0:12:40.280 and it's it's I mean, it's nice to hear someone 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.720 like approach him and and say something like that too. Yeah. Yeah. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.679 And of course she approached him for not doing right 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:49.480 by our g I s and as opposed to not 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:53.120 doing right millions of Cambodian and Vietnamese and morsel it's 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:56.480 a morsel oution, yeah, civilians, but yes, it is a morsel. 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.040 I did something similar to the lead singer of the 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:01.040 Count of Crows. I want up to him and said 0:13:01.080 --> 0:13:05.280 that his band was bad and they drove me crazy. 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.960 Your bands a war crime. You know, if you might 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:11.079 have had more of an impact if you criticized him 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.200 for playing his music while our boys in Vietnam are 0:13:13.200 --> 0:13:16.400 getting their head shut off, you would have had some 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:21.160 trouble parsing that out. Sir, Are you okay? Ye? Blag 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:26.120 your jam band there dying in the mud, face down 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:29.679 in the mock. God, dare you I think you have 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:38.160 the wrong persons? I don't want you dead, something about 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:43.040 a parking lot that that you are. You are edging 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:45.640 up on my favorite conspiracy theory, which is that the 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.680 tonk and golf incident was engineered by the Counting Crows 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:54.199 in order to sell out. We know it was absolutely 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:59.480 that seems proven at this point, so biographer Walter Isaacson 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.360 described Kissinger is having quote the boyish glee of a 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:05.040 senior on prom night and in the twinkle of a 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:09.400 middle aged rake. He regularly had quote, striking blonde women 0:14:09.440 --> 0:14:11.360 come with him into the White House on lunch dates 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:13.600 so he could show them off to his colleagues, telling 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.880 a co worker on at least one occasion to eat 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:19.320 your heart out. He's very much like bragging to other 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.680 dudes about the fact that being Henry Kissinger has turned 0:14:23.760 --> 0:14:25.400 him into a sex symbol and he just had a 0:14:25.400 --> 0:14:30.920 gun and he was like no. Literally. So it was 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.120 known that Kissinger's notorious temper could be somewhat offset by 0:14:34.120 --> 0:14:36.880 tossing young women in front of him. When his staffers 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:38.680 fucked up and had to give him bad news about 0:14:38.680 --> 0:14:42.040 a scheduling issue, they'd send the youngest female secretary they 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.360 had to go and give him the news the White 0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:49.640 House Press Office used Diane Sawyer for this purpose. Eventually 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:53.800 the two started dating. Oh my god, I mean she 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.480 should not be allowed to still be doing news. I 0:14:56.520 --> 0:15:00.840 mean your you need to have your news license revote. 0:15:01.280 --> 0:15:03.760 Do you think do you think he just comes pure poison. 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:10.200 It's just like a gas slowly releases. We could harness 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:15.440 Henry Kissingers come to to get Europe off of Russian crude. 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:20.960 They're gonna drop the Kissinger go on us um. Diane 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:24.120 Sawyer later told New York Magazine quote, the power of 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.840 Henry working a room is still seismic. All of a sudden, 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:29.160 everybody wants to step up their game and say something 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:32.080 he'll find interesting or funny. And you know, I don't 0:15:32.120 --> 0:15:33.720 know how much of this is just like his He's 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:36.760 clearly a charismatic man, right, he clearly has it feels 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:40.480 like it's it's dinner for schmucks, and he's like the Rube. 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:44.800 Like it feels like it's not everyone's just doing a bit. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:47.600 Like it's just like it's growing with the person that 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:51.040 we I see and hear about that. You're like, oh 0:15:51.080 --> 0:15:52.440 my god, if you could get in a room with 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.520 Henry Kissinger, just get right next to you will not 0:15:55.680 --> 0:16:01.480 leave his side. Obviously sexy, obviously sex who wouldn't want 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:08.440 to fuck Henry Kissinger too. Now, this is all profoundly upsetting, 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:13.240 but it gets weaker. So if Walter Isaacson, who's who's 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:17.120 probably Kissinger's best biographer. If Walter Isaacson is correct, the 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:20.400 reason all these women liked hanging around Henry wasn't just 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:22.800 that he was powerful and no, it was not that 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:25.200 he had, you know, incredible dick game, which I'm sorry 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.400 for saying that in the context of Henry Kissinger. Thank you, 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:36.200 thank you, we are we just plunged in the rankings. 0:16:35.600 --> 0:16:43.160 That's a fireba. I'm gonna quote now from Kissinger, a 0:16:43.200 --> 0:16:46.800 biography by Walter Isaacson. Kissinger secret with women was not 0:16:46.840 --> 0:16:48.680 all that different from his one with men, whom he 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.520 wanted to charm. He flattered them, he listened to them, 0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:54.040 he nodded a lot, and he made eye contact. But 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.360 unlike the way he was with most men, Kissinger was 0:16:56.400 --> 0:16:59.520 exceedingly patient with women who wanted to talk. Very few 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:01.640 men in the night teen seventies actually listened to women. 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:04.840 According to Betty Lord, Henry talked with you, talked to you, 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.480 seriously and probed for what you knew or thought. He 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:09.440 was someone who could and would make a Jill Saint 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.120 John feel intelligent or as Shirley McClain, feel politically savvy. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:15.680 Next to Ingmar Bergmann, he is the most interesting man 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.400 I have ever met, said liv Ullmann. He is surrounded 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.119 by a fascinating aura, a strange field of light, and 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.920 he catches you in some kind of invisible net. Over 0:17:24.040 --> 0:17:26.520 long dinners at public places, he would listen with sympathy 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.359 while women talked about themselves, their lives, their hopes, and 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:32.680 even sometimes they're slightly wacking new age philosophies. He would 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:34.760 call them on the telephone late at night and talk 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:36.679 for an hour or more at a time. He was 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.680 a great friend, especially a telephone friend, always there when 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:42.440 you needed him, said Jill Saint John. The dirty little 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:45.080 secret about Kissinger's relationship with women was that there was 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.880 no dirty little secret. He liked to go out with them, 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.760 but not home with them. His fascination with affairs tended 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:53.720 to be foreign rather than domestic. Henry's idea of being 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:55.919 romantic was to slow down his car when he dropped 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.119 you off at a date, said Hower. He may have 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:01.040 been how in fact, the most celibate lecture in Washington. 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:04.199 People say, yes, he doesn't do anything with this with 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:08.840 these girls. His friend Peter Peterson once remark, Yeah, what 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.480 what is happening? So he's a little a sexual. I 0:18:12.480 --> 0:18:14.960 don't know if. I mean, he definitely had sex, he 0:18:15.040 --> 0:18:18.119 had relationships, he had kids, But I think that the 0:18:18.200 --> 0:18:20.280 being seen with women, the being seen as a sex 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:21.560 and but wasn't. But I don't think he had a 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.960 particularly high sex drive. I don't think he's going out 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:27.280 and like fucking his way through like famous people. I 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:29.760 think he likes being seen in public with beautiful women. 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:32.199 And I think beautiful women. Number one, he's safe, like 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:35.320 he's not gonna pressure you for anything. Number Two, he'll 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:39.240 actually listen to you like he's company. It's an extremely 0:18:39.320 --> 0:18:42.359 low bars, I mean really bleak right. There is like 0:18:42.480 --> 0:18:45.880 something to that. You know, it's like he's he's doing Yeah. 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.320 I mean I think that even now with guys like what, 0:18:48.400 --> 0:18:51.239 I'll here like guys talking like yeah, it's like just 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:54.400 be respectful and it will probably get you, like I mean, 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:57.600 it at least makes you not an asshole. I mean, 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:01.280 he's he's he's you know what it is. I think 0:19:02.480 --> 0:19:04.760 the women in this situation are getting something out of it, right. 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.520 Being within re Kissinger gets you in the news, It 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:09.919 raises your profile. He's extremely famous and powerful. Um, and 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.399 you get taken maybe even more seriously, you know, as 0:19:12.520 --> 0:19:15.000 as a woman who's a who's a journalist, who who 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:18.120 wants to be seen as kind of intellectual um being 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:21.560 around Henry Kissinger. He's a very serious public intellectual. It's 0:19:21.600 --> 0:19:26.000 good for your career. And also he's just men in 0:19:26.119 --> 0:19:28.640 power were so much worse than than they even are 0:19:28.720 --> 0:19:34.160 now that he was like the best dude in that 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.400 world you could hang out. He's kind of like it's 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.439 almost like a Batman villain again in the sense that 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:44.560 like he's got he's this evil piece of shit, but 0:19:44.720 --> 0:19:47.919 yet he is also able to hold a conversation and 0:19:48.000 --> 0:19:50.320 not be a prick, And you're like, wow, who could 0:19:50.320 --> 0:19:55.360 pull off such opposing forces. Yeah, he treats women like 0:19:55.520 --> 0:20:01.440 humans exactly. Yeah, literally that he and he will look 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.600 a woman in the eyes. Yeah, he is the saint 0:20:05.800 --> 0:20:09.199 John feels smart. The guy is a magician. Yeah, he 0:20:09.320 --> 0:20:12.119 is the only he is the only man in power 0:20:12.119 --> 0:20:14.960 in Washington, d C. Who will like sit down with 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:16.800 a woman and listen to what she has to say, 0:20:17.160 --> 0:20:19.600 and as a result, he is the primary sex symbol 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:26.080 of nineteen seventies squaking bar. I mean, it's incredible. It 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:28.320 also again is it comes down to what we've talked 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.560 about before with him, which is media normalization and how 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.159 it is just once you kind of create that bubble, 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:38.320 most people just acquiesce and then you're just like, you know, 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:40.920 you're kind of like Diane Sawyer is just like, oh yeah, 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:45.040 well he's people don't throw bricks at him when he's outside, 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.080 so he's okay now. Isaacson's gives an example of a 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:53.280 typical relationship. Kissinger's friendship with Jan Golden, who's a New 0:20:53.359 --> 0:20:56.000 York socialite he dated from seventy to seventy one. She 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:58.959 was twenty two, he's like fifty. Um and Kissinger had 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.200 been given her name by Kissing had been given her 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:07.080 name by by Kirk Douglas. Douglas is the fucking hook 0:21:07.160 --> 0:21:12.040 up in this case. So Henry calls her one day 0:21:12.080 --> 0:21:14.120 without warning and asks if she wants to come out 0:21:14.119 --> 0:21:16.359 for dinner. When she flew down to d C to 0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:18.199 meet him, she was met at the airport by one 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.280 of Kissinger's military AIDS, who drove her to a fancy 0:21:21.280 --> 0:21:23.920 club where he was dining. The two sat down to eat, 0:21:23.960 --> 0:21:26.080 and midway through dinner, Henry got a phone call and 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.679 stayed away for forty minutes. When he came back, he 0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.560 apologized and said that the Secretary of State had needed 0:21:31.600 --> 0:21:34.560 his advice. But whenever he was present, he paid cost 0:21:34.600 --> 0:21:36.680 close attention to her, and he asked her her opinion 0:21:36.680 --> 0:21:39.959 on issues of the day. She found the overall experience heady. 0:21:40.000 --> 0:21:42.359 The two dated for half a year, without any romance 0:21:42.359 --> 0:21:45.439 ever developing. Isaacson writes, quote, only once did they go 0:21:45.520 --> 0:21:47.680 back to his apartment, and when they arrived and Aid 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.000 was their fielding telephone calls. By Golden's count, the phone 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:54.280 rang forty times. You couldn't do anything romantic in that place, 0:21:54.320 --> 0:21:57.439 even if he were dying to She recalled, who's dying. 0:21:57.600 --> 0:22:01.760 Nobody's dying too. She wants to get by the old weirdo. Yeah, 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:08.560 she's she's she's into it. I must is horned. Yeah, yeah, 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:10.800 she said. I just don't think Henry was interested in 0:22:10.840 --> 0:22:12.800 sex when it came time to perform, Well, I just 0:22:12.840 --> 0:22:15.080 think he was too preoccupied for it. He didn't have 0:22:15.119 --> 0:22:17.919 time for it. Power for him may have been the aphrodisiac, 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:22.439 but it was also the climax. Oh my god, I 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:24.920 know that's a line right there. That's what he was 0:22:24.960 --> 0:22:31.680 doing in the bathroom for oh, Henry. So on one occasion, 0:22:31.720 --> 0:22:33.639 Henry was more honest than usual with one of his 0:22:33.680 --> 0:22:36.960 female friends, Oriana Falacci, who's an Italian author and a 0:22:37.000 --> 0:22:41.400 former World War Two partisan. She's actually pretty fascinating person um, 0:22:41.440 --> 0:22:43.680 he said. Quote when I speak to Lee Ducto, who 0:22:43.720 --> 0:22:46.879 was the Vietnamese negotiator for North Vietnam, I know what 0:22:46.960 --> 0:22:48.680 I have to do with Lee Ducto, and when I'm 0:22:48.720 --> 0:22:51.360 with girls, I know what I must do with girls. Besides, 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:53.679 Lee Ducto doesn't at all agree to negotiate with me 0:22:53.680 --> 0:22:57.480 because I represent an example of moral rectitude. This frivolous reputation, 0:22:57.560 --> 0:23:00.920 it's partially exaggerated, of course. What ounces to what degree 0:23:00.960 --> 0:23:03.880 women are part of my life, a central preoccupation. Well 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:05.720 they aren't that at all for me. Women are only 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:08.840 a diversion, a hobby. Nobody spends too much time with 0:23:08.920 --> 0:23:13.119 his hobbies. See for a minute there, you're sort of thinking, okay, well, 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:16.720 if he if he's getting something out of female accompaniment, 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:21.119 then in a way that is. I mean, there's something 0:23:21.200 --> 0:23:24.119 kind of like, there's is something kind of nice about 0:23:24.160 --> 0:23:26.119 the idea that a guy isn't just not like trying 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.840 to funck his way through you know, beautiful women, like 0:23:28.880 --> 0:23:31.960 he's just enjoying the company of women. But then the 0:23:32.040 --> 0:23:33.840 more you kind of peel back, the more it just 0:23:33.960 --> 0:23:39.879