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You'll get assigned a copy and you'll make 15 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: me very happy. The Dollar Crossover Special event Week three 16 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: of our Henry Kissinger series, and and the stress is 17 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: getting to everyone. Uh, David and Gareth fighting viciously. I'm 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,960 Speaker 1: not I mean, I've been quite home. I just I 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 1: just when I'm attacked. Like Henry Kissinger, I am attempting 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 1: to maintain a balance of power between you and Yeah 21 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: in the state, get it? You have the answers? Yes, Yes, 22 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: Our podcasts are now bombing Cambodia. Um, finally show that 23 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: to Oh boy, well this is this is week three. 24 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,400 Speaker 1: Can you all believe we're already in the home stretch 25 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: of of this series? Is it week three? Yes? Wow? 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: Episodes five and six together for three weeks. I know 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 1: most podcasts don't make all of the guests live together, 28 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 1: but we do it. What do they? Yeah, I think 29 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: with like like the the Internet. I'm gonna have to 30 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: look that up in my dictionary. I've enjoyed our time here. 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,600 Speaker 1: I would really like I don't I don't want to leave, 32 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,919 Speaker 1: so I mean, but I mean, you know, we should. 33 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: I gotta go back to as a family. We could 34 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: do another couple of episodes on Henry Kissinger. Uh, you know, 35 00:02:00,960 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: just do one a year for the next like five years. 36 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: Here we will just be like a reunion show. Yeah, 37 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: what's Henry Kissinger up revival? Yeah, there's probably more chapters, 38 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: hopefully just dead soon hopefully dead. I don't think that. 39 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 1: I don't think that ends it. Somehow, I feel like 40 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: that's not gonna be enough. Yeah, we'll be doing the 41 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 1: episode about how Henry Kissinger brings the Army of Hell 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,240 Speaker 1: back through a portal to somehow fight on both sides 43 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: of the Ukrainian War, and the Army of Hell has 44 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: been misled us to the rationale. They're like you said 45 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 1: that there was going to be a lot more slavery. Here, 46 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: go ahead, it's follow me. Come with me. I'll show 47 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: you where they w m D s Henry kissing it. 48 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: I should have studied the Kissinger's accent before this totally. 49 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: But do you have an ear for accents? It's all right, 50 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: this will be so iconic that it will retroactively become 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:57,799 Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger's accent, kind of like the Nazis are now British. 52 00:02:57,840 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: I do one, do one, just one stranger accent. I 53 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: nail one thing perfect. It's like we're there. It's like 54 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: I am excited for when what's his name? The guy 55 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: who did vice of that director? What's his name? I'm 56 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: talking about the Chainey. Yes, when Adam McKay does his 57 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,440 Speaker 1: Kissinger movie in ten more years, he'll use that accent. Tavid, 58 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 1: that'll be great, David beyond set coaching Christian Bale. You 59 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: know you're saying hello, and it's really like all o vera, 60 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: so hear it behind the bastards um and and at 61 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 1: the dollar which behind the Bastards is the Kirkland brand 62 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 1: version of we like to ask questions that historians all 63 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: too often try to ignore it, namely, how did bad 64 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: people in history fuck? So? Yeah, we're talking about how 65 00:03:57,160 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: Kissinger bone? Um, are you excited for the state? No? No, 66 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: I want to go? Can I leave? I make you 67 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: know this is it is important to both cover the 68 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: historical crimes of a guy like Kissinger and and to 69 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: get some personal color. And since we've spent four episodes 70 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: talking about his beliefs and his acts and power, it's 71 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: only fair that we now turn our furoscopes onto his 72 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: sex life. This episode is going to have base under it, 73 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: right absolutely. Um, So, I think the best way for 74 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,160 Speaker 1: me to start this segment is by reading a quote 75 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: from a September nineteen seventy one article in the San 76 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: Francisco Chronicle as a warning, guys, there is a thirty 77 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 1: percent chance this is going to give one of you 78 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: a stroke. No you mean wait, you mean we're gonna 79 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: be stroking it our actual that that is impossible to say. 80 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: Quote Henry Kissinger, sex symbol of the Nixon administration steps 81 00:04:57,400 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: let a stick. I'm just gonna buite a stick just 82 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 1: to be safe. I'm just gonna I'm just gonna get 83 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: a branch in my mouth. Steps out of his office 84 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: onto a sun drenched San Clemente terrace with a cup 85 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 1: of black coffee and sits in a white deck chair 86 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: with his legs crossed. The man who was pressured Moscow 87 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,040 Speaker 1: drafted State of the World addresses, advised the president to 88 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: enter a Cambodia and paved the road to red China 89 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: appears as something of an anachronism, and his baggy midnight 90 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: blue cotton trousers, black tie shoes, bright blue unfitted blazer, 91 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: blue and white striped shirt and striped tie. What you 92 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: guys hold then so far? I mean embedded reporter L L. Bean. 93 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: Why I can't I can't imagine combining the fashion sense 94 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: with the war crime. It's so good because they acknowledged 95 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 1: the war crimes and then talking about It's like Henry 96 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: could be walking out a catwalk, like like you'll see 97 00:05:58,680 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: Henry right now in a tie, white pants suit. You 98 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: can see it's sucked to him. Henry, also known for 99 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 1: ruining Cambodia and Vietnam, continue to quote it comes mass motors, 100 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: sex machine kissing, You're oh no, it's an open robe. 101 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: On the back wall you can see some victims of 102 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,720 Speaker 1: the aged Orange campaign, and with in Vietnam and Henry Sucker. 103 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,839 Speaker 1: You could notice the outline of his hog and those 104 00:06:32,960 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: I don't know fancy pants brands. Otherwise I would have 105 00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 1: finished that, But I'm gonna finish the quote now, because 106 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: by god, there's more. What are you trying to do? 107 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: Seduce me? Henry will tease as he notices his visitors 108 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: hot pants. You know, I like these hot pants very much. 109 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: Then he'll light your cigarette, touching your hand as all 110 00:06:50,120 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 1: continentals do, offer you a cup of coffee, and discuss 111 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: trivia as readily as he would have Sino Soviet entaunt. 112 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,880 Speaker 1: The impeccably tidy image is perfect for dealing with Alexei 113 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: question or or Zouan Lie, or lecturing at Harvard, But 114 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: one cannot help wonder if the movie stars mind that 115 00:07:05,400 --> 00:07:08,559 Speaker 1: the ankle socks of Washington's greatest swinger are falling down, 116 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: or that his wiry chestnut hair, which flashes golden in 117 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: the intense white sunlight, is too close crop to run 118 00:07:15,000 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: their fingers through, or that at least ten of his 119 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy eight pounds protrude over his thin black belt, 120 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,840 Speaker 1: somehow shortening his five ft nine inches. But suddenly an 121 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 1: electric twinkle will flash through the intense blue of his eyes, 122 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: and one it touches an inkling of that movie star magnetism, 123 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: that special quality which causes some people to call him 124 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: cuddly Kissinger. How is the craziest thing that's happened so far? 125 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: How did that happen? Oh? Man, yeah, this is oh 126 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: my god, a bottom below the bottom folks look back 127 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 1: to just murdering us? How did that happen? What in 128 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: the fund just went on? Is this a guy or 129 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: a lady writing this? I think it's a late certain 130 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: it's a lady. Yeah, wants to well, who hold your 131 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,280 Speaker 1: hand when he lights your cigarette? Why did we have 132 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 1: to talk about Kissinger's chest air? Why? Why? Why? Indeed, 133 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: why indeed, David? Because can we na palm that? This 134 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: is what name palms for? Right? Speaking of made in 135 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: that hair of Henry's. This has convinced me there is 136 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 1: a place for the B fifty two bomber in his pants. Boy, 137 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: that's what Henry calls little Hank. So bafflingly, almost impossibly, 138 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: it is not hard to find articles written at this 139 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 1: exact sexual tenor, and unfortunately I would I would love 140 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: to tell you guys that I'm sure this was like 141 00:08:48,480 --> 00:08:52,199 Speaker 1: a satire or a joke, but people were weirdly serious 142 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: about this kind of ship in nineteen seventy two. And 143 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: there's no way you're ready for what comes after this 144 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: part of the center in night. What In nineteen seventy two, 145 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: the Playboy Club hosted a poll of the bunnies and 146 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: asked them who was quote the man I would mostly 147 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: not do that on a date with Henry Kissinger was 148 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: number one? What in the no, no, what are the 149 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 1: horrible indictment of the worst indictment of America that has 150 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:24,959 Speaker 1: ever been This is the most damning thing you can 151 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: say about it, right in the ground and the Playboy Mansion. 152 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: What how is that? I can't It's like we're in 153 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: the back to the future, Biff Timeline, Well, hold on, 154 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,839 Speaker 1: the man who massacres hundreds of thousands knows how to fuck. 155 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: That's just an old saying. That is that is an 156 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 1: old saying. I want to funk you like the people 157 00:09:46,160 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: of Vietnam Ov. So once the first few articles about 158 00:09:54,640 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger's you know, sex symboltitude dropped um Kissinger himself 159 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: started being questioned by reporters about the phenomenon. His standard 160 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: reply became one of his most favorite famous quotes. Power 161 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: is the ultimate aphrodisiac. I mean, like there are there is. 162 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,480 Speaker 1: I mean people are attracted to like psychos too, like 163 00:10:18,840 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: Ted Bundy had like a fan club, and like you know, 164 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,800 Speaker 1: like I mean like I've been compared to Jeffrey Dahmer 165 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 1: a number of times looks, which has always been a pleasure. 166 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: And you're both very handsome young men, yes, thank you 167 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,800 Speaker 1: so much. Uh, and both still in the primes of 168 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,280 Speaker 1: our youth. Absolutely, it's still it's like if you feel 169 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: like there is a separation with him and what it 170 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: just seems very like a very strange connection. It's it's baffling. 171 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: Other than that, like, here's the sad thing. We're gonna 172 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: get to this. It's not just that he's powerful, and 173 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 1: the other thing about him that makes him women so 174 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: attracted to him is like bleak in a surprising way. 175 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: But but we'll we'll get to that. So famous women 176 00:11:01,280 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: loved being spotted on Kissinger's arm. One night he was 177 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 1: sited at the Traitor vix in the Los Angeles like 178 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: flirting and holding hands with Jill st John, who played 179 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: the very first Bond girl. What he dated the first 180 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 1: James Bond girl on he needs to be Yeah, she'll 181 00:11:23,200 --> 00:11:30,600 Speaker 1: st John to be honest. Fucking murder troll. Well so 182 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: horrifying part. But who goes from Bond to murder munchkin? 183 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,120 Speaker 1: I mean, Bond is kind of a murder like but 184 00:11:39,200 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 1: he's a good He's a good guy. Come on, always 185 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: a good guy. So while they were out on this date, 186 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 1: Jill st John and Kissinger were spotted by Anne Miller, 187 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 1: and was a dancer famous d answer at the time. 188 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: She approached Kissinger and quote in a friendly way. These 189 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: are the words of biographer Walter Isaacson criticized him for 190 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: having fun in public while our boys in Vietnam are 191 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: getting their heads shot off. Kastinger responded, dourly, Miss Miller, 192 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,560 Speaker 1: you don't know anything about me. I was miserable in 193 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: a marriage for most of my life. I never had 194 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: any fun. Now was my chance to enjoy myself. When 195 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: this administration goes out, I'm going back to being a professor. 196 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: But while I'm in the position i'm in, I'm damn 197 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: will going to make it count, I mean, really avoiding 198 00:12:22,960 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: the centralistation. No point does he acknowledge that that is 199 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: an unfair thing he's doing. He's just like, look, come on, 200 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 1: even us. You know, psychopaths need to have some fun. Yeah, 201 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: and it's it's I mean, it's nice to hear someone 202 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: like approach him and and say something like that too. Yeah. Yeah. 203 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: And of course she approached him for not doing right 204 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 1: by our g I s and as opposed to not 205 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: doing right millions of Cambodian and Vietnamese and morsel it's 206 00:12:53,120 --> 00:12:56,480 Speaker 1: a morsel oution, yeah, civilians, but yes, it is a morsel. 207 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 1: I did something similar to the lead singer of the 208 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: Count of Crows. I want up to him and said 209 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: that his band was bad and they drove me crazy. 210 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:08,960 Speaker 1: Your bands a war crime. You know, if you might 211 00:13:09,000 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 1: have had more of an impact if you criticized him 212 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: for playing his music while our boys in Vietnam are 213 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 1: getting their head shut off, you would have had some 214 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: trouble parsing that out. Sir, Are you okay? Ye? Blag 215 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: your jam band there dying in the mud, face down 216 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: in the mock. God, dare you I think you have 217 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:38,160 Speaker 1: the wrong persons? I don't want you dead, something about 218 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: a parking lot that that you are. You are edging 219 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: up on my favorite conspiracy theory, which is that the 220 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: tonk and golf incident was engineered by the Counting Crows 221 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 1: in order to sell out. We know it was absolutely 222 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 1: that seems proven at this point, so biographer Walter Isaacson 223 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: described Kissinger is having quote the boyish glee of a 224 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 1: senior on prom night and in the twinkle of a 225 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 1: middle aged rake. He regularly had quote, striking blonde women 226 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: come with him into the White House on lunch dates 227 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: so he could show them off to his colleagues, telling 228 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: a co worker on at least one occasion to eat 229 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,320 Speaker 1: your heart out. He's very much like bragging to other 230 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: dudes about the fact that being Henry Kissinger has turned 231 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: him into a sex symbol and he just had a 232 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: gun and he was like no. Literally. So it was 233 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: known that Kissinger's notorious temper could be somewhat offset by 234 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: tossing young women in front of him. When his staffers 235 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: fucked up and had to give him bad news about 236 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: a scheduling issue, they'd send the youngest female secretary they 237 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,360 Speaker 1: had to go and give him the news the White 238 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:49,640 Speaker 1: House Press Office used Diane Sawyer for this purpose. Eventually 239 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: the two started dating. Oh my god, I mean she 240 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:56,480 Speaker 1: should not be allowed to still be doing news. I 241 00:14:56,520 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: mean your you need to have your news license revote. 242 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: Do you think do you think he just comes pure poison. 243 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: It's just like a gas slowly releases. We could harness 244 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 1: Henry Kissingers come to to get Europe off of Russian crude. 245 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: They're gonna drop the Kissinger go on us um. Diane 246 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: Sawyer later told New York Magazine quote, the power of 247 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: Henry working a room is still seismic. All of a sudden, 248 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: everybody wants to step up their game and say something 249 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: he'll find interesting or funny. And you know, I don't 250 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: know how much of this is just like his He's 251 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: clearly a charismatic man, right, he clearly has it feels 252 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: like it's it's dinner for schmucks, and he's like the Rube. 253 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,800 Speaker 1: Like it feels like it's not everyone's just doing a bit. 254 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: Like it's just like it's growing with the person that 255 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: we I see and hear about that. You're like, oh 256 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 1: my god, if you could get in a room with 257 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 1: Henry Kissinger, just get right next to you will not 258 00:15:55,680 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: leave his side. Obviously sexy, obviously sex who wouldn't want 259 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: to fuck Henry Kissinger too. Now, this is all profoundly upsetting, 260 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: but it gets weaker. So if Walter Isaacson, who's who's 261 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: probably Kissinger's best biographer. If Walter Isaacson is correct, the 262 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: reason all these women liked hanging around Henry wasn't just 263 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: that he was powerful and no, it was not that 264 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: he had, you know, incredible dick game, which I'm sorry 265 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: for saying that in the context of Henry Kissinger. Thank you, 266 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 1: thank you, we are we just plunged in the rankings. 267 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:43,160 Speaker 1: That's a fireba. I'm gonna quote now from Kissinger, a 268 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: biography by Walter Isaacson. Kissinger secret with women was not 269 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: all that different from his one with men, whom he 270 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: wanted to charm. He flattered them, he listened to them, 271 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: he nodded a lot, and he made eye contact. But 272 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:56,360 Speaker 1: unlike the way he was with most men, Kissinger was 273 00:16:56,400 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: exceedingly patient with women who wanted to talk. Very few 274 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: men in the night teen seventies actually listened to women. 275 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: According to Betty Lord, Henry talked with you, talked to you, 276 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: seriously and probed for what you knew or thought. He 277 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 1: was someone who could and would make a Jill Saint 278 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 1: John feel intelligent or as Shirley McClain, feel politically savvy. 279 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: Next to Ingmar Bergmann, he is the most interesting man 280 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,400 Speaker 1: I have ever met, said liv Ullmann. He is surrounded 281 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: by a fascinating aura, a strange field of light, and 282 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: he catches you in some kind of invisible net. Over 283 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: long dinners at public places, he would listen with sympathy 284 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: while women talked about themselves, their lives, their hopes, and 285 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: even sometimes they're slightly wacking new age philosophies. He would 286 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: call them on the telephone late at night and talk 287 00:17:34,840 --> 00:17:36,679 Speaker 1: for an hour or more at a time. He was 288 00:17:36,720 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: a great friend, especially a telephone friend, always there when 289 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 1: you needed him, said Jill Saint John. The dirty little 290 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: secret about Kissinger's relationship with women was that there was 291 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: no dirty little secret. He liked to go out with them, 292 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: but not home with them. His fascination with affairs tended 293 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: to be foreign rather than domestic. Henry's idea of being 294 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,919 Speaker 1: romantic was to slow down his car when he dropped 295 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: you off at a date, said Hower. He may have 296 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: been how in fact, the most celibate lecture in Washington. 297 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 1: People say, yes, he doesn't do anything with this with 298 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: these girls. His friend Peter Peterson once remark, Yeah, what 299 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 1: what is happening? So he's a little a sexual. I 300 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: don't know if. I mean, he definitely had sex, he 301 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:18,119 Speaker 1: had relationships, he had kids, But I think that the 302 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 1: being seen with women, the being seen as a sex 303 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: and but wasn't. But I don't think he had a 304 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: particularly high sex drive. I don't think he's going out 305 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,280 Speaker 1: and like fucking his way through like famous people. I 306 00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: think he likes being seen in public with beautiful women. 307 00:18:29,760 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: And I think beautiful women. Number one, he's safe, like 308 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,320 Speaker 1: he's not gonna pressure you for anything. Number Two, he'll 309 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 1: actually listen to you like he's company. It's an extremely 310 00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 1: low bars, I mean really bleak right. There is like 311 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: something to that. You know, it's like he's he's doing Yeah. 312 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: I mean I think that even now with guys like what, 313 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,239 Speaker 1: I'll here like guys talking like yeah, it's like just 314 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: be respectful and it will probably get you, like I mean, 315 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 1: it at least makes you not an asshole. I mean, 316 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: he's he's he's you know what it is. I think 317 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: the women in this situation are getting something out of it, right. 318 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 1: Being within re Kissinger gets you in the news, It 319 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,919 Speaker 1: raises your profile. He's extremely famous and powerful. Um, and 320 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: you get taken maybe even more seriously, you know, as 321 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: as a woman who's a who's a journalist, who who 322 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: wants to be seen as kind of intellectual um being 323 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: around Henry Kissinger. He's a very serious public intellectual. It's 324 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: good for your career. And also he's just men in 325 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: power were so much worse than than they even are 326 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: now that he was like the best dude in that 327 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: world you could hang out. He's kind of like it's 328 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,439 Speaker 1: almost like a Batman villain again in the sense that 329 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: like he's got he's this evil piece of shit, but 330 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 1: yet he is also able to hold a conversation and 331 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: not be a prick, And you're like, wow, who could 332 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:55,360 Speaker 1: pull off such opposing forces. Yeah, he treats women like 333 00:19:55,520 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: humans exactly. Yeah, literally that he and he will look 334 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: a woman in the eyes. Yeah, he is the saint 335 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,199 Speaker 1: John feels smart. The guy is a magician. Yeah, he 336 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: is the only he is the only man in power 337 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. Who will like sit down with 338 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 1: a woman and listen to what she has to say, 339 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: and as a result, he is the primary sex symbol 340 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:26,080 Speaker 1: of nineteen seventies squaking bar. I mean, it's incredible. It 341 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: also again is it comes down to what we've talked 342 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: about before with him, which is media normalization and how 343 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: it is just once you kind of create that bubble, 344 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: most people just acquiesce and then you're just like, you know, 345 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: you're kind of like Diane Sawyer is just like, oh yeah, 346 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: well he's people don't throw bricks at him when he's outside, 347 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,080 Speaker 1: so he's okay now. Isaacson's gives an example of a 348 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: typical relationship. Kissinger's friendship with Jan Golden, who's a New 349 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: York socialite he dated from seventy to seventy one. She 350 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,959 Speaker 1: was twenty two, he's like fifty. Um and Kissinger had 351 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: been given her name by Kissing had been given her 352 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: name by by Kirk Douglas. Douglas is the fucking hook 353 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: up in this case. So Henry calls her one day 354 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: without warning and asks if she wants to come out 355 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: for dinner. When she flew down to d C to 356 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,199 Speaker 1: meet him, she was met at the airport by one 357 00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: of Kissinger's military AIDS, who drove her to a fancy 358 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,920 Speaker 1: club where he was dining. The two sat down to eat, 359 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: and midway through dinner, Henry got a phone call and 360 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,679 Speaker 1: stayed away for forty minutes. When he came back, he 361 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: apologized and said that the Secretary of State had needed 362 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: his advice. But whenever he was present, he paid cost 363 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: close attention to her, and he asked her her opinion 364 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,959 Speaker 1: on issues of the day. She found the overall experience heady. 365 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: The two dated for half a year, without any romance 366 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 1: ever developing. Isaacson writes, quote, only once did they go 367 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: back to his apartment, and when they arrived and Aid 368 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:51,000 Speaker 1: was their fielding telephone calls. By Golden's count, the phone 369 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 1: rang forty times. You couldn't do anything romantic in that place, 370 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 1: even if he were dying to She recalled, who's dying. 371 00:21:57,600 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: Nobody's dying too. She wants to get by the old weirdo. Yeah, 372 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 1: she's she's she's into it. I must is horned. Yeah, yeah, 373 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: she said. I just don't think Henry was interested in 374 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: sex when it came time to perform, Well, I just 375 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: think he was too preoccupied for it. He didn't have 376 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 1: time for it. Power for him may have been the aphrodisiac, 377 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:22,439 Speaker 1: but it was also the climax. Oh my god, I 378 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: know that's a line right there. That's what he was 379 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: doing in the bathroom for oh, Henry. So on one occasion, 380 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: Henry was more honest than usual with one of his 381 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,960 Speaker 1: female friends, Oriana Falacci, who's an Italian author and a 382 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:41,400 Speaker 1: former World War Two partisan. She's actually pretty fascinating person um, 383 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: he said. Quote when I speak to Lee Ducto, who 384 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:46,879 Speaker 1: was the Vietnamese negotiator for North Vietnam, I know what 385 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: I have to do with Lee Ducto, and when I'm 386 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: with girls, I know what I must do with girls. Besides, 387 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: Lee Ducto doesn't at all agree to negotiate with me 388 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: because I represent an example of moral rectitude. This frivolous reputation, 389 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 1: it's partially exaggerated, of course. What ounces to what degree 390 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,880 Speaker 1: women are part of my life, a central preoccupation. Well 391 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: they aren't that at all for me. Women are only 392 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: a diversion, a hobby. Nobody spends too much time with 393 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: his hobbies. See for a minute there, you're sort of thinking, okay, well, 394 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: if he if he's getting something out of female accompaniment, 395 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: then in a way that is. I mean, there's something 396 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: kind of like, there's is something kind of nice about 397 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 1: the idea that a guy isn't just not like trying 398 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: to funck his way through you know, beautiful women, like 399 00:23:28,880 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: he's just enjoying the company of women. But then the 400 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: more you kind of peel back, the more it just 401 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 1: does seem to be really like, he's just he's just backwards. 402 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: He's a backwards person. Every part of him has just 403 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: been rearranged. He's like a mannequin body of guts that 404 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: fell down and was put back improperly. Now the surprise, 405 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: Kirk Douglas cameo there. Make Key went on the fact 406 00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:58,560 Speaker 1: that Henry was also very popular with the celeb set. 407 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: During the party throw for Gloria steinhum By, the talk 408 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: show host Barbara Howard, Kissinger told those assembled, I am 409 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: a secret swinger. Now yes, uh yeah, that's the thing, 410 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: he claimed, I like any whole Maybe it's a joke. 411 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: That means he's like he's saying he likes to fuck, 412 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: but all the evidence we have is that he doesn't. 413 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,600 Speaker 1: Like Yeah, I think again, I think that's him myth making. 414 00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: I think it's just saying that I'd like to go 415 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:30,159 Speaker 1: around and touch the genitals of fucking people. Yeah, you 416 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 1: go to a swingers party in d C. And Henry's 417 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: just they're putting a finger on things. If I penetrate 418 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 1: the pinky rings, I get nothing out of this. It's fine. 419 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: I don't worry. I'm comeless. So Kissinger missed the announcement 420 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: that he'd been nominated for Secretary of State because he 421 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: was on a date with Norwegian Oscar nominee liv Ullman. 422 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: He took Candice Bergen out on a date when she 423 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: was a young star. She later said that he gave 424 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: her quote the sense of shared secrets probably be the 425 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 1: same set he gave every anti war actress, Like he 426 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: would act like, oh, I'm really against the war. I'm 427 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,199 Speaker 1: inside the administration like trying to get us out of 428 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: these things. You know. It's it's like, yeah, he's he's 429 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: just he doesn't he's yeah, he's a psycho psycho about it. 430 00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: Just I mean that way, he's completely everything we've heard 431 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:22,119 Speaker 1: is completely contrary. The sucking devil. Yeah, yeah, it's just psychotic. 432 00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 1: But also you have to credit like, I don't think 433 00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: Candice Bergen is lying. I can imagine how you're not 434 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: privy at that point in time, to any of what 435 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,560 Speaker 1: we have right to any this information we have about 436 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: how much he was planning this, about what a two 437 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,480 Speaker 1: faced liar he was, So maybe you believe. Yeah, this 438 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: man is so intelligent and it's so like emotionally competent. 439 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 1: I can't imagine him being the architect of these war crimes. 440 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,840 Speaker 1: He must be just it's it's such a titanic system 441 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: of evil and he's fighting alone to bring it down, 442 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: and like it must be why Hillary Clinton still hangs 443 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: around him. He's like, look, I had nothing to do 444 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,639 Speaker 1: with any of the Taylor, don't worry. We'll talk about that. Gareth. 445 00:25:55,840 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: Oh god. Um. So I'm gonna quote next from Nil 446 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,200 Speaker 1: Ferguson's Kissinger quote for the Press, The story was irresistible. 447 00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: The dowdy Harvard professor reborn in Hollywood as Carry Grant 448 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,879 Speaker 1: with a German accent. When Marlon Brando pulled out of 449 00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: the New York premiere of the Godfather, It's executive producer 450 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,400 Speaker 1: Robert Evans and unhesitatingly called Kissinger, and Kissinger obligingly flew 451 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 1: up despite blizzard conditions and a schedule the next day 452 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: that began with an early morning meeting with the Joint 453 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: Chiefs of Staff to discuss the mining of Hypong Harbor 454 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 1: and ended with a secret flight to Moscow. A reporter asked, 455 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: doctor Kissinger, why are you here tonight at the Godfather premiere? 456 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,160 Speaker 1: Kissinger responded, I was forced by who? By Bobby Bobby Evans. 457 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,000 Speaker 1: Did he make you an offer you couldn't refuse? Yes. 458 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 1: As they fought their way through the throng, Evans had 459 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,920 Speaker 1: Kissinger on one arm and Ali McGraw on the other. 460 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: What I know, right, would you have called that when 461 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: we started this ship? Like you Kissingers, you've lulled us 462 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: into this being okay because at the beginning absolutely, But 463 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: now I mean imagine honestly like a war criminal on 464 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: a rent carpet going like, look, I didn't one through obviously, 465 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: I wanted to stay in sell Vietnam. But Bobby called, 466 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:18,920 Speaker 1: oh man, it's incredible. You know what? Who else attended 467 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: the premier of The Godfather with producer Robert Evans and 468 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: Ali McGraw that I can't wait to hear the sponsors 469 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: of this show all deeply tied in Well, of course 470 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: they are right, like they're the kind of people who 471 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 1: get invited to hunt children on private island reserve off 472 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: the coast of Indonesia. You know, I've heard it's an archipelago. 473 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: I refused to believe that Hollywood producer Robert Evans did 474 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: not hunt children for sport at least once. There's just 475 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 1: no way those glasses were just scopes, he laughed, like 476 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 1: a man who has hunted the most dangerous game. Anyway, 477 00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: here's ads. We're back now. In our Cambodia episode, I 478 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: mentioned and by the way, we're done with the sex stuff. 479 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 1: You made it through my sweat pants. My sweatpants half repped. God, 480 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:24,400 Speaker 1: please get back to the killing. Well, in our Cambodia episode, 481 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: I mentioned that the illegal bombing of Cambodia was leaked 482 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 1: to the New York Times, and this was a big story, 483 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: and it prompted Nixon to suspect that Kissinger's liberal staffers 484 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 1: UM had been the ones who had done the leaking. UM. 485 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: And so after this gets leaked, Kissinger and Nixon worked 486 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: together to orchestrate a wire tapping program. Well, Kissinger initially 487 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: ran the whole program. He was actually in charge for 488 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,760 Speaker 1: only like a day. Nixon decided pretty quickly that he 489 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: didn't trust Kissinger. After all, namely because Herbert Hoover expected 490 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 1: that Kissinger was the one leaking things. And this is 491 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: because Kissinger absolutely was leaking. Now, he was not leaking 492 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: the men of Cambodia, right. But Kissinger had his favorite 493 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:05,560 Speaker 1: journalists that he'd leaked things to. UM. Some of them 494 00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: were guys he wanted to write a book about him, 495 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: you know, and so he wanted them to give him 496 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 1: positive coverage. Some of them were like leaks in order 497 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: to hurt other people in the administration. Because there's just 498 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,720 Speaker 1: Consert's Nixon's We're not getting into those enough. But Nixon's 499 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: administration is just like an endless series of power struggles. 500 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: Everyone is fucking over everybody else, right, Like, that's that's 501 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: the Nixon administration. That's incredible. Yeah, it's it's really quite 502 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 1: quite a tale. Um. So, yeah, Kissingers absolutely leaking some stuff, 503 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: and that's that. Nixon is pretty aware of who Kissinger 504 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,520 Speaker 1: is leaking things to. UM And, as Walter Isaacson writes, 505 00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: the real reason why he pulled Henry from overseeing the 506 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 1: program was that the two were having one of their 507 00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 1: periodic feuds. Nixon actually made the call to pull Kissinger 508 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: from the wire tapping program right before he flew to 509 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: Camp David and like stopped returning Kissinger's phone calls for 510 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:55,960 Speaker 1: a week. It's this like thing that it was like, 511 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 1: it's like fucking nineteen year olds fighting. It's not here. Yeah, 512 00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: they literally had just little TIFFs, and yeah, they have 513 00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: little TIFFs. You know. There's there's so much petty bullship 514 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: between Kissinger and Nixon, and they're very much like if 515 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: you've ever been in a codependent relationship, the Kissinger and 516 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: Nixon will seem extremely familiar because they'll like be fighting 517 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: over some stupid bullshit and then things will get bad 518 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 1: and they'll like come together and be like also collapsing 519 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,600 Speaker 1: at the same time as they're propping each other up. 520 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: It's very funny. I got millions die. But I'm sorry 521 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: that they said that. Well, I've been waiting for your apology. 522 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,920 Speaker 1: I can't stay mad at you, Cambodia with Look, we 523 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: have too many people to kill to stayment at each 524 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: other for this long, So good over shift. Despite Kissinger 525 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: Nixon periodically being angry with him throughout the duration of 526 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: the wire tapping program, Henry Kissinger retained the ability to 527 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: pretty much wire tap American citizens at command he would 528 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: submit names to the FBI, who would start a wire 529 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: tap on that person. When the secret wire tapping program 530 00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: was leaked in nineteen seventy three and it blew up 531 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: into a big congressional inquiry, Nixon took the blame, defending 532 00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: Kissinger by saying it was his responsibility not to control 533 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 1: the program, but solely to furnish information to the FBI. 534 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: So what they claimed, it's like Kissinger wasn't ordering wire taps. 535 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: He was giving the FBI information on people we thought 536 00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: were suspicious, and they would decide to wire tap, And 537 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: it's a coincidence that all he would do was hand 538 00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: them a name and they would immediately start the wire tap. 539 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: It's like he would give the garment to the bloodhound, 540 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: but he's not hunting the child looking for on. So 541 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,320 Speaker 1: it's also though, like this might be the moment that 542 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: proves Dick Nixon was actually a better person than Henry Kissinger, 543 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: because he did like kind of take a hit for 544 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:54,480 Speaker 1: his team, not that he wasn't responsible for the wire tapping. 545 00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,240 Speaker 1: In the Land of no respect, a man with one 546 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: ounce has on all. It was like a tiny, tiny dollar, 547 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 1: if you will, of honors from Henry Kissinger, and we 548 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,680 Speaker 1: just never see that or from from Nixon, and we 549 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 1: just never see that from Kissinger. Um. It's kind of 550 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,680 Speaker 1: like saying that, like a cheese grater is better to 551 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,479 Speaker 1: fun than the blade of a jigsaw. But you know 552 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: it's something, well, no that, now that I think about it, 553 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: I mean, if someone laid it on the table, right, yeah, 554 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 1: well that's great this cheese. What do we say, gentlemen, 555 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop trap. Let's get greater. So here's how 556 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 1: the secret wire tapping program worked. Kissinger and another Nixon 557 00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: dude I think it was Haldeman Um would submit names 558 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: to the FBI, which the FBI viewed as requests, right. 559 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: The transcripts of that person's conversations then would all be 560 00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 1: sent to Kissinger's death desk. So he got direct transcripts 561 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 1: of every wire tap personally, and he would decide what 562 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: to bring to Nixon. He wasn't the only guy he 563 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,040 Speaker 1: because again Nixon had multiple like people kind of competing 564 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 1: through this program. Right, he's like the head writer. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So. 565 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 1: James Adams, head of the FBI's Intelligence Division, later told 566 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,640 Speaker 1: a biography that he did not think there was quote 567 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: more or less wire tapping under Nixon than under previous presidents. 568 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: What made things unusual then was that the wire taps 569 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: Nixon and Kissinger ordered, we're on n SC staff, individuals 570 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: that were part of the White House family and Isaacs 571 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: worlds right quote. In other words, previous wire taps had 572 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: mainly been on suspected spies potentially subversive union leaders in 573 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: the like a regular program of wire tapping one's own 574 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:38,120 Speaker 1: aids was, according to Thomas Smith, another top FBI official, unprecedented. 575 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:43,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's amazing, Like that's what's amazing, right, 576 00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: It's like, well, no, it's not unusual. That's for this 577 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,120 Speaker 1: many wire taps. It's just normally on people that you're 578 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 1: worried about, like attacking the country, not people who you've hired. 579 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: The FBI is like, you know, we're okay with spying 580 00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 1: on dissidents, but they made a spy on their friends, 581 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: and we feel gross about this. What you see Henry 582 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: Kissinger's wire tapping Nixon. Yeah, he's getting very caddy. Kissingers 583 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 1: just as wire tap on himself. You were joking, but 584 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: you have accurately predicted where the story goes. No, what 585 00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:26,040 Speaker 1: the this is such a weird chapter of American rust 586 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,719 Speaker 1: me as far as I could throw myself. I am 587 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,280 Speaker 1: such a fucking asshole. Look at what I was saying. 588 00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god. So these wire taps were all considered 589 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: legal at the time, although the Supreme Court did later 590 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: determine that they were illegal. It was kind of like 591 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: one of these at the time they were legal, and 592 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,880 Speaker 1: because of how gross they were, the Supreme Court was like, 593 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,479 Speaker 1: you know what, no, um And thankfully the US never 594 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: never wire tapped people again. That's the end of That's 595 00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: the end of it. Famously, that's why Edward Snowdon is 596 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: famous for his reveal that no one was ever wire tapped. Again. 597 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: That's why we don't know who Edwards Snowdon is. Yes, 598 00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 1: famous private citizen living in Ohio. Edwards a name out 599 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: of the air, random guy. Um. So. A tremendous amount 600 00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,080 Speaker 1: has been written on the subject of the wire tapping 601 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 1: in the Nixon administration. I'm not going to go to 602 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,399 Speaker 1: into detail on it because as sleazy as it is, 603 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,120 Speaker 1: why are tapping your friends? Doesn't quite measure up to 604 00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: war crimes? Like, it's gross, but it's also not that gross, 605 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: and because it's super weird. Yeah, it's just like weird. 606 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: It's a weird thing about them. There is something I 607 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:36,960 Speaker 1: should read here that reveals something meaningful about Henry's character. 608 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: William Sapphire was a New York Times op ed columnist 609 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: and a Nixtion speech and a Nixon speech writer. He 610 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 1: later said that Kissinger was quote capable of getting a 611 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 1: special thrill out of working most closely with those he 612 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: spied on the most. Like Sapphire's attitude is like he 613 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: was doing this mainly because he thought it was like 614 00:35:55,640 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: kind of hot to be wire tapping a guy. That heasm, Yeah, finally, 615 00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 1: it's the power thing. It's the power thing. And he 616 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: knows he's he loves that. He's like fucking over someone. 617 00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,880 Speaker 1: He's just hanging out with him, talking to him. They 618 00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: don't know he's it's like slipper. Yeah, he gets this 619 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: crazy thrill out of it. Yeah, he knows secrets about them, like, 620 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:21,759 Speaker 1: oh god, it's so fucking weird going to tap that 621 00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:28,840 Speaker 1: does so he gets like, yeah, that quote from Kissinger 622 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 1: powers the ultimate affrodaisac. It's usually translated to him being like, 623 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,280 Speaker 1: that's why women are so into me, right, because power 624 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,600 Speaker 1: turns people on. But I think it literally means that 625 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 1: like he kind of gets off on exercising power, right, 626 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,320 Speaker 1: Like that's his thing. Oh my god, I can even 627 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:48,640 Speaker 1: fuck my friends over yea. It is also worth noting 628 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,879 Speaker 1: that Henry wire tapped himself once he took off, as 629 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: he had a secret kidding, I know, I know, but 630 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:59,120 Speaker 1: it happened once he took off, as he had a 631 00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,399 Speaker 1: secretary list in on all of his calls and take 632 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: mimo notes on his conversations. He also had a series 633 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: of what are called dead key extensions added to phones. 634 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,239 Speaker 1: These are keys that were secretly added to phones in 635 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,239 Speaker 1: his office so that his secretaries and aids could like 636 00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,800 Speaker 1: press them to listen in on calls without other people 637 00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:19,479 Speaker 1: knowing and take notes on the calls. When Nixon would 638 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: call kissing your drunk, slurring his words, Kissinger would like 639 00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,399 Speaker 1: wave all of his people who get in there, get 640 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:25,919 Speaker 1: in there, get in here, like kick up the phone, 641 00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,800 Speaker 1: pick up the phone, and then he would make faces 642 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: making fun of the president while his notes is like aids, listen, 643 00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:41,359 Speaker 1: bit okay, I mean just that's the coolest thing about 644 00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: Now take a step back and realize that Henry Kissinger 645 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: is making fun of the wire tap he's called on 646 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 1: himself while he's talking to the president who's blackout drunk. 647 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: It's it's something else war is. He isn't like not 648 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: to minimize how fucked up you know the current administration 649 00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,840 Speaker 1: to the previous administration was. But by god, America still 650 00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: has not reached the Nixon peak of craziness. We've gotten 651 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:14,719 Speaker 1: it in pieces, the little bit I've never had like 652 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,719 Speaker 1: the full team together, and yeah you can't. It's it's 653 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,840 Speaker 1: really hard to compete with Dick Nixon and Henry Kissinger. 654 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: I talking about ahead of his time. Oh my god, 655 00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: his stuff age is great. Oh man. So Kissinger also 656 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: used the transcripts he made to attack his coworkers and 657 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 1: reinforce his loyalty to the president. When his colleagues said 658 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: something to him that he knew Nixon would hate, or 659 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: when someone made a comment to green with Kissinger on 660 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 1: an issue, he would pass those notes from his secret 661 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: conversations onto the president. So you would hand the president 662 00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: like a transcript of a call he'd had with like 663 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: a thing underlined that made Kissinger look good. Um, oh 664 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:55,680 Speaker 1: my god. From Kissinger of biography quote William Sapfire, who 665 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 1: dubbed the transcripts the dead key Scrolls said he once 666 00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,120 Speaker 1: saw Kissinger altering one to shore up a point he 667 00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,239 Speaker 1: wanted to make to the president. He had been chewing 668 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,800 Speaker 1: out a reporter from the Christian Science Monitor for writing 669 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,399 Speaker 1: a story that was unfavorable to Nixon. In doing so, 670 00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,200 Speaker 1: he also tossed in occasional complaints about the perfidy of 671 00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: Secretary Rogers. Since he was planning to send the transcript 672 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,840 Speaker 1: to the President, Sapphire said he had taken a draft 673 00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: and edited it, adding to the fierce loyalty of his 674 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,560 Speaker 1: own remarks, So you would like mark it up to 675 00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,520 Speaker 1: make him like be more of a kiss asked to 676 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: kick to Nixon. I mean Nixon's also like hammered. It's like, 677 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:32,000 Speaker 1: how hard do you have to work to convince this guy? 678 00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,959 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Hand him a my tie 679 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,880 Speaker 1: like from tred Vis. Here're my best friend. I love you, 680 00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 1: Henry a closer friend. Look at how much of of 681 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: your pitch I am. The existence of these transcripts was 682 00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:51,880 Speaker 1: revealed by The Washington Post in nineteen one, but Kissinger 683 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,880 Speaker 1: insisted they were just for the President's files. In reality, 684 00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: he used them for as notes to write his two 685 00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,480 Speaker 1: books that he published after leaving power. But he was 686 00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,520 Speaker 1: canny enough to know they had damning information. So when 687 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: he considered quitting the Nixon administration in nineteen seventy three, 688 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,239 Speaker 1: he had them all shipped to a bomb shelter at 689 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:17,840 Speaker 1: Nelson rockefeller cells. I mean what you just said every 690 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: third sentence you have to write about these guys's magnet 691 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:28,280 Speaker 1: fridge poetry. Yeah, he illegally hit government files and Nelson 692 00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: Rockefeller's private bomb shelters just like, feel like, may I 693 00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:38,360 Speaker 1: use your bomb shelter storage? I need to put my 694 00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: biography notes there of course, of course, And right, that's 695 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,120 Speaker 1: you're not what I always say, my bomb shelters yours? 696 00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: These are these are what short stories? Right, yes, sure, yeah, 697 00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,480 Speaker 1: whatever you need to tell yourself. I need I need 698 00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:56,400 Speaker 1: them save in case there's a nuclear war. So obviously 699 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: this is very illegal. Um. And when Kissinger decided not 700 00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:02,600 Speaker 1: to quit the administration, he had a military liaison Cinda 701 00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 1: plane to pick them up from Rockefeller's house and then 702 00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: he hit them in a bomb shelter under the White House. 703 00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 1: After he left. There's less for these people. They're fucking notes. 704 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: They they don't need to survive the fucking nuclear holocaust. Great, though, 705 00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,839 Speaker 1: if a bomb is in coming towards the White House, 706 00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,799 Speaker 1: and they all go there and it's just stacked with 707 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,480 Speaker 1: Kissinger papers. Yeah, this guy was a real piece of ship. 708 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,440 Speaker 1: This is awkward going to petish. He's just sitting in 709 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:38,359 Speaker 1: the corner. I don't think you should read those. So 710 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: after he left office, Kissinger donated the papers to the 711 00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,560 Speaker 1: Library of Congress under the restriction that they would not 712 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 1: be made available until he had been dead for five years. 713 00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:51,440 Speaker 1: Well he's been He's been for five years. We should 714 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:55,680 Speaker 1: them now, who makes that deal. It's not a great thing, 715 00:41:55,880 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: the Library of Congress. Jesus Christ five, by the way, 716 00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:04,160 Speaker 1: most people, most people do like the after I die. 717 00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:08,319 Speaker 1: He wants the five year buffer, which sounds a little Yeah. 718 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: He wants time for people to get things out of 719 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,359 Speaker 1: the country. Yeah. Yeah, I want to make sure I'm 720 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 1: pure bone. Yeah. So Kissinger was also convinced that Nixon's 721 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:23,080 Speaker 1: chief of staff Holdeman had Nixon wire tapped uh and Nixon. Sorry, 722 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 1: Kissinger was also convinced that Nixon's chief of staff Holdman 723 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,160 Speaker 1: and Nixon had wire tapped him, which they absolutely had. 724 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: So Kissinger was kind of tapping himself. But Nixon had 725 00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: also wire tapped Kissinger, and when he passed Holdeman in 726 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,840 Speaker 1: the hall, Kissinger would say, quote, what do your taps 727 00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:43,359 Speaker 1: tell you about me? Today? It's almost remember that what 728 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:44,719 Speaker 1: was it? I don't remember when I was on where 729 00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,040 Speaker 1: Lily Tomlin was the one ringy dinghy operator who keeps 730 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 1: plugging in on it. It's almost like that with wire taps, 731 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 1: where you're just like every wire is getting plugged across. 732 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:56,600 Speaker 1: Nixon's wire tapping Kissinger, who's wire tapping himself, who's wire 733 00:42:56,640 --> 00:42:58,840 Speaker 1: tapping Nixon is also wire tapping hold him It is 734 00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,879 Speaker 1: wire tapping Kissinger is also wired tapping Nixon. And that's 735 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,279 Speaker 1: why we know so much about not just like the 736 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: crimes they committed, but like what they were saying in 737 00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: the meetings while they committed the crimes, because unbeknownst to 738 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: Kissinger and to everyone else, Nixon was also wire tapping himself, 739 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:20,919 Speaker 1: like he recorded every conversation that he had. Is the 740 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,319 Speaker 1: most that that to me is like the one of 741 00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: the most. I mean, it's why we know so much 742 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: because if you are able to, like if if Trumper, 743 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if any of them, I mean, if you 744 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:34,240 Speaker 1: had the Bush tapes, like they would be fucking incredible. 745 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:39,080 Speaker 1: But It's also that Nixon recorded himself and it was like, okay, 746 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,280 Speaker 1: take them, and everyone's like, the funk Are you drunk? 747 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,520 Speaker 1: And he's like, I am, actually, I am extreme. I 748 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: am so drunk. My Secretary of Defense has a contingency 749 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 1: plan in case I try to nuke everyone. Checkers been 750 00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 1: that drunk, No one has. So this was a secret 751 00:43:58,640 --> 00:44:01,239 Speaker 1: until the Watergate scandal was really feeled at the end 752 00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:04,520 Speaker 1: of nineteen seventy two. Kissinger was warned about this that, 753 00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,919 Speaker 1: like the Watergate story was about to break two months 754 00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 1: ahead of time, and he was horrified by the implications, 755 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: namely by the fact by the things we've already gone 756 00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: over at length that he had, Like he was on 757 00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,440 Speaker 1: tape in these records, agreeing and encouraging with Nixon's bigotry 758 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,319 Speaker 1: and his copious racial slurs. So, like, Kissinger is not 759 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: involved in Watergates, so he's like, I'm not worried about that. 760 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,279 Speaker 1: I'm worried that everyone's going to know that I was 761 00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,920 Speaker 1: like egging Nixon's bigotry on in order to kiss his 762 00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: ass um Yeah, amazing, amazing for him to be horrified, 763 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,120 Speaker 1: like of all the things he's done, like for this 764 00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:40,359 Speaker 1: to be like it's it's always like the weirdest thing, 765 00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,960 Speaker 1: but it's like for this too, for him to be 766 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:49,480 Speaker 1: like this could really damage my credibility. Yeah. When he 767 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:53,280 Speaker 1: was asked about this later about like encouraging Nixon's bigotry, 768 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:56,080 Speaker 1: Kissinger explained that the things he'd said to Nixon were 769 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,799 Speaker 1: based on quote, the needs of the moment, rather than 770 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: to quote, stand the test of deferred scrutiny, which was 771 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,000 Speaker 1: a nice way of saying, I'm only racist around racists 772 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,279 Speaker 1: and one of the most impressive feats of mental gymnastics 773 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:12,240 Speaker 1: and political history. Kissinger actually argued that his egging Nixon 774 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,920 Speaker 1: on was meant to protect the American people. Quote he 775 00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: was so much in need of succor so totally alone. 776 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:22,920 Speaker 1: Our national security depended so much on his functioning. Uh, 777 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:29,120 Speaker 1: it's called yes, and okay, he was Chicago school. It's 778 00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:34,719 Speaker 1: called the Olympic. I mean again, to be able to 779 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:39,799 Speaker 1: get away with that argument just shouldn't be stud Now, 780 00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:43,279 Speaker 1: speaking of Nixon's functioning, it's probably time to talk a 781 00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,920 Speaker 1: little more about Watergate. As previously covered in nineteen seventy one, 782 00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,240 Speaker 1: Nixon and his team, including Kissinger, hired a goon squad 783 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:53,920 Speaker 1: of x FBI and CIA agents called the plumbers and 784 00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,720 Speaker 1: asked them to investigate the leak of the Pentagon papers. 785 00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: These guys broke into the office of Daniel Ellsberg, that's 786 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,040 Speaker 1: the guy wh leaked the Pentagon papers. He was a 787 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: Department of Defense employee. They break into the office of 788 00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,759 Speaker 1: his psychiatrist to try and steal records to smear him. 789 00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,719 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy two, one of the plumbers, g Gordon Liddy, 790 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,360 Speaker 1: was transferred to the Committee to re Elect the President. 791 00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:17,919 Speaker 1: The acronym of this organization organization was literally creep because 792 00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:22,919 Speaker 1: satire has never happened even once, Like it's impossible, nopevers over. 793 00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:27,439 Speaker 1: Liddy's team executed a wide ranging plan to illegally spy 794 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,920 Speaker 1: on the Democratic Party, which ended with them breaking into 795 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,080 Speaker 1: DNC headquarters in the Watergate Building in d C and 796 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:37,120 Speaker 1: bugging the phones of staffers. They got arrested almost immediately, 797 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,120 Speaker 1: like that night they get busted, right, that's like when 798 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,680 Speaker 1: this all starts, um. And so that's what like the 799 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 1: fact that this, like the Watergate scandal in public knowledge 800 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,480 Speaker 1: starts is like these guys getting arrested doing a break in. 801 00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,719 Speaker 1: He's a crime reporter named Bob Woodward and on the case. 802 00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,920 Speaker 1: He was not a political journalist. He was like a 803 00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:55,719 Speaker 1: crime beat d C reporter. But he hears about this 804 00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,680 Speaker 1: break in and he's like, something's going on here, and 805 00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:01,799 Speaker 1: he winds up making you know, contacts with a guy 806 00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,719 Speaker 1: who we later eventually, like decades later, learned was the 807 00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: associate director of the FBI. That's deep throat, you know. Famously, 808 00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,279 Speaker 1: this guy gives him information and the Washington Post under 809 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 1: Woodward and and Bernstein, right, he has a partner in 810 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: it too, Like they're both doing very good journalism here. 811 00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,640 Speaker 1: They start dropping articles at the tailed of nineteen seventy two, 812 00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:22,360 Speaker 1: and a trial over the break and starts in nineteen 813 00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: seventy three January, right after Nixon wins reelection. Well Woodward 814 00:47:26,680 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: and his partner Carl Bernstein were running down leads. They 815 00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:32,360 Speaker 1: got in touch with another FBI guy and asked him, hey, 816 00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,120 Speaker 1: who kept authorizing all of these wire taps that FBI 817 00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:40,440 Speaker 1: guys said, well, Henry Kissinger in a lot of cases, 818 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,560 Speaker 1: this Kissinger, he's like our main guy calling us. So 819 00:47:44,360 --> 00:47:47,799 Speaker 1: Woodward calls Henry Kissinger, who plays dumb at first and 820 00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:52,000 Speaker 1: then tries to blame Holdeman for the wire tapping. Woodward asked, okay, well, 821 00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:55,000 Speaker 1: is it possible you were the one doing wire tapping Henry, 822 00:47:55,040 --> 00:48:01,080 Speaker 1: and Kissinger says, I don't believe it was true. Woodward asked, what. Yeah, 823 00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,919 Speaker 1: it's such a weasel answer. Yeah, he's four years old. 824 00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 1: Woodward asks, is that a denial and kissing Your response, 825 00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:15,160 Speaker 1: I frankly don't remember. I mean, it's kind of like 826 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,400 Speaker 1: it's it is kind of like nice to see the 827 00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: genesis because the I don't remember things just utilized so 828 00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,680 Speaker 1: much now it's like it's like one of the first 829 00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: like where you're just like, I think if I just 830 00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 1: say I forgot, I can go the way with this ship. Yeah. 831 00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,120 Speaker 1: You can imagine a young Bill Clinton reading this news 832 00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:33,160 Speaker 1: story and saying, I'm not sure why, but I think 833 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take notes on this. I'll remember ejaculating, but 834 00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:43,720 Speaker 1: I don't remember how that come to me. It's also 835 00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:46,200 Speaker 1: it shows you, like how insulated they were in their 836 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:50,040 Speaker 1: psychotic little dome that once they actually take their tactics 837 00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:51,840 Speaker 1: out in the real world, people like, yeah, that's like 838 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:58,000 Speaker 1: crime and we have you. They're like, yeah, ship, the 839 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,960 Speaker 1: President's drunk. So Kissinger admitted after that line of question 840 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,400 Speaker 1: that he might have given the FBI the names of 841 00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:08,360 Speaker 1: some people who had access to leaked documents and quote, 842 00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: it's quite possible they construed this as an authorization. So 843 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:17,040 Speaker 1: once he makes this admission to Woodward, Henry starts to 844 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: get looser and he talks about how he figured he 845 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,600 Speaker 1: probably should take responsibility for the wire tapping, and then 846 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,680 Speaker 1: he realized almost immediately, oh shit, I fucked up, And 847 00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,680 Speaker 1: he asks Bob Woodward, you aren't quoting me, right? Like, 848 00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,120 Speaker 1: He's like, this isn't on the record. Is it that 849 00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:33,600 Speaker 1: it works to? Right? You put it on the record, 850 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 1: and then you're like Woodward says, of course this is 851 00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 1: on the record. Like what like? I like, I never 852 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:44,200 Speaker 1: said this was off the record. Kissinger insisted, well, I 853 00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:47,480 Speaker 1: was only speaking on background. Quote. I've tried to be honest, 854 00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: and now you're going to penalize me. In five years 855 00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: in Washington, I've never been trapped into talking like this. 856 00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:57,279 Speaker 1: If a journalist calls you and asks you questions, as 857 00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: the secretary of State, goff Right, you just wanted to chat, right, 858 00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: I thought, how are you times have you committed bub Yeah, 859 00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:15,120 Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating. Yeah, it's so dumb, and it shows 860 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,560 Speaker 1: what fucking tame little pricks. The entirety of the White 861 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 1: House press corps were right because thought he could get 862 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,719 Speaker 1: away with this, and he finally encountered like an actual 863 00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:29,920 Speaker 1: journalist for the once right and just like thirty seconds 864 00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: with with Woodward and he's blown wide open and it 865 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:36,840 Speaker 1: doesn't not handle it. Yeah, he's just pissing his paints, crying. 866 00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:39,640 Speaker 1: You know what it is? You have you've seen those 867 00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,000 Speaker 1: videos of like those fucking um uh those tai Chi 868 00:50:43,239 --> 00:50:45,680 Speaker 1: champions who are like in those videos fighting their students 869 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,400 Speaker 1: where they're just like flipping everyone around the room, throwing 870 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: them and then like they fight an actual m M 871 00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:55,520 Speaker 1: A fighter who just like takes them down in thirteen seconds. Yeah, 872 00:50:55,760 --> 00:50:59,040 Speaker 1: it's like how Seal fights where Yeah it's yeah, it's 873 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:04,279 Speaker 1: Steven Seagal, say Putin's Judo, Yeah it is. This is 874 00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,759 Speaker 1: this is the moment for Kissinger. That's like when when 875 00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: Steven Seagal got choked out by Gene LaBelle and chats passed, Alright, 876 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,000 Speaker 1: I'm the star. Come on, this could happen? Come on 877 00:51:18,200 --> 00:51:22,440 Speaker 1: play fake next from kissinger biography quote. Woodward wondered what 878 00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:25,240 Speaker 1: kind of treatment Kissinger was accustomed to getting from the press. 879 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: He consulted Murray Martyr, the kindly soft edge diplomatic reporter 880 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:32,280 Speaker 1: who covered Kissinger for The Post. Well. Martyr admitted Henry 881 00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,400 Speaker 1: was regularly allowed to put statements on background after he 882 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,560 Speaker 1: had made them. I mean it really it does. And 883 00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,719 Speaker 1: and what's so frustrating is that it's like, you know, 884 00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 1: they they've all kind of learned from the mistakes of 885 00:51:45,080 --> 00:51:48,759 Speaker 1: this time in ways where it is it's kind of 886 00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,759 Speaker 1: the same ship. I mean, everything is kind of a 887 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:52,719 Speaker 1: fluff piece. You're allowed to be in the White House 888 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,319 Speaker 1: press color if you ask softball questions. You know, it's 889 00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: like this this was like a major funk up. And 890 00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,600 Speaker 1: they all were like, well, the lesson we've learned here 891 00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:06,839 Speaker 1: is don't let good reporters around you. Yeah, don't let 892 00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:12,000 Speaker 1: journalists exist. Yeah, it's one of those. Um, there's so 893 00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,640 Speaker 1: much going on here. It really is. This is like 894 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:17,480 Speaker 1: we are peaking. There are ways in which, like, there 895 00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,480 Speaker 1: are times when journalism does work that way, right when 896 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,360 Speaker 1: I'm like sitting down and talking to like a fucking 897 00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:24,200 Speaker 1: dissident or or a protest or someone who like might 898 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,520 Speaker 1: be targeted by the state or by you know, fucking 899 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,840 Speaker 1: fascist or whatever and murdered, and they like say something 900 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: and then later like, oh, you know, can I take 901 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,759 Speaker 1: that off the record? I'm worried that's gonna like reveal. Yeah, 902 00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,040 Speaker 1: of course, Like I'm not gonna like but like, it doesn't. 903 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:43,120 Speaker 1: It should never work that way for cabinet level fucking government, 904 00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 1: efficients right, they don't. They can't if you agree ahead 905 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,960 Speaker 1: of time to make something off the record. Yeah, that 906 00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,360 Speaker 1: that happens. That's like a thing that occurs. Although I 907 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,279 Speaker 1: think that's problematic too, but like they don't get to 908 00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,359 Speaker 1: just take something off the record retroactively. That's not how 909 00:52:56,400 --> 00:53:00,360 Speaker 1: it works. Yeah, And I mean it's just about excess. 910 00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,400 Speaker 1: So then about the actual story. They just want to 911 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,840 Speaker 1: talk to them again. Yeah, they want to keep getting access. 912 00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,799 Speaker 1: It is. It's like it needs to be a a 913 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,279 Speaker 1: group of people need to say that this is all fun, 914 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:12,799 Speaker 1: but instead they're like, what a great Coppile party? And 915 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,000 Speaker 1: Woodword to his credit, there critiques to make about Woodward 916 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:17,799 Speaker 1: later in his career, but to his credit was like, 917 00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:20,239 Speaker 1: I don't give a shit about access. I'm trying to 918 00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:23,479 Speaker 1: take down a president like I could give a fuck, 919 00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:30,320 Speaker 1: you know, like um so Nixon eventually took the fall 920 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,680 Speaker 1: as we've covered, but the issue was brought up again 921 00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:36,960 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three when Kissinger went through his confirmation 922 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,600 Speaker 1: hearings to become Secretary of State. We don't need to 923 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:42,080 Speaker 1: cover the politicking he did to secure that job, but 924 00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:44,800 Speaker 1: I should note all the fallout over wire tapping in 925 00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:48,040 Speaker 1: the disaster in Cambodia didn't do ship to reduce Henry's 926 00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 1: popularity at home. In nineteen seventy two, he had ranked 927 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:54,120 Speaker 1: fourth on the list of most admired Americans. In nineteen 928 00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:58,400 Speaker 1: seventy three, he was number one, largely because Harry Truman died, 929 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:06,279 Speaker 1: which is also bleak. Yeah we are, I mean, and 930 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,200 Speaker 1: that's when you're like, we deserve it. I mean, if 931 00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:14,759 Speaker 1: you are that incapable of deciphering reality from fiction to 932 00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,240 Speaker 1: some extent, you want to be taken advantage of. Yeah, 933 00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:20,840 Speaker 1: you're the rube who opens the door to the vacuum 934 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,040 Speaker 1: cleaner salesman. Yeah, well, on my floor. I want to 935 00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,160 Speaker 1: see how this thing sucks. You mean by Social Security number, 936 00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:31,520 Speaker 1: of course, a new problems. I get five thousand dollars 937 00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,759 Speaker 1: in the mail. Okay, So one congressman that proposed a 938 00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:39,000 Speaker 1: constitutional amendment to allow foreign born citizens to run for 939 00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:42,280 Speaker 1: president because of like how much he liked fucking Kissinger. 940 00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 1: I don't like Henry. Henry received a figure at Madame 941 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:49,719 Speaker 1: Tussaud's wax Museum in London, which quickly became the star attraction. 942 00:54:50,120 --> 00:54:53,760 Speaker 1: Miss Universe pageant contestants voted him quote the greatest person 943 00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,759 Speaker 1: in the world today. Is it possible that we just 944 00:54:57,760 --> 00:55:00,400 Speaker 1: put a heart in the Madame Tussau's a year and 945 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,640 Speaker 1: melted it and that's what's walking around now, Yeah, that's 946 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,919 Speaker 1: but we just left it in the sun for a week, 947 00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,560 Speaker 1: like you bring up the medium like this is just 948 00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:12,320 Speaker 1: so like they just normalize monsters. They act like monsters 949 00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,120 Speaker 1: are great people, and people don't actually hear the fucking 950 00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:19,600 Speaker 1: hainoush ship that they're doing, and they just hear he's 951 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,120 Speaker 1: a smart guy. But because that's what he can like 952 00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:26,120 Speaker 1: quote smart dead people that they you haven't read, but 953 00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:29,360 Speaker 1: you know they're smart because their name sounds vaguely familiar. 954 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,000 Speaker 1: And so you're like, well, this guy's read all these 955 00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,920 Speaker 1: smart dudes, he must be a good guy because smart 956 00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:36,479 Speaker 1: people don't do bad thing. Well, it's smart people don't 957 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:38,680 Speaker 1: like go out with reporters, and you know you would 958 00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,800 Speaker 1: just be like, look at Frankenstein at the Playboy mansion. Gosh, 959 00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,560 Speaker 1: he's got those bolts on his neck and the girls 960 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:50,279 Speaker 1: love to twirl him. So it is perhaps not surprising, 961 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,520 Speaker 1: even though the Watergate scandal had built to a fever 962 00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,640 Speaker 1: pitch by seventy three, that Henry Kissinger was a shoe 963 00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 1: in to be appointed as Secretary of State. On the 964 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,960 Speaker 1: day of his first Congressional confirmation hearings, someone in the 965 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,000 Speaker 1: press asked, do you prefer to be called Mr? Secretary 966 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,360 Speaker 1: or doctors secretary? He replied, I do not stand on protocol. 967 00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,360 Speaker 1: If you just call me excellency, it will be okay, 968 00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:17,360 Speaker 1: excuse me, pardon, And again, as a journalist, the proper 969 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,640 Speaker 1: response to that is to throw your handheld recorder at 970 00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,920 Speaker 1: his face, like try to take a chair to his 971 00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:31,560 Speaker 1: nose like they did break his face. I'm not tugue 972 00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:34,239 Speaker 1: up on time. You can just bow and call me 973 00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:39,600 Speaker 1: on majesty. So Kissinger was extremely nervous going into the 974 00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: confirmation hearings because again, Nixon is being torn apart for 975 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,799 Speaker 1: Watergate right now, and he was expecting that he'd be 976 00:56:45,840 --> 00:56:48,759 Speaker 1: interrogated about all the shady wire tapping he'd done. But 977 00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:50,560 Speaker 1: As it turned out, all he had to do was 978 00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,880 Speaker 1: lie and say he'd never recommended wire tapping. Everyone decided 979 00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:56,080 Speaker 1: that was fine, and he was confirmed by Secretary of 980 00:56:56,120 --> 00:57:00,840 Speaker 1: States seventy eight votes to seventy seven. Fucking And here's 981 00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:03,080 Speaker 1: the thing. Even among the people who voted against him, 982 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: there was not always strong antipathy. George McGovern voted against 983 00:57:06,719 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 1: confirming him, but he called Kissinger afterwards to privately endorse him, 984 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,319 Speaker 1: to be like, hey, publicly, I got to pretend I 985 00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:19,280 Speaker 1: don't like you, but like we're cool, right, bro, I 986 00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:22,120 Speaker 1: don't worry. Someday I'll be the president and I got 987 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,439 Speaker 1: my eye you Henry. Yeah, I mean, honestly, that might 988 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 1: have happened. Yeah, probably so. When he was sworn in 989 00:57:29,560 --> 00:57:32,760 Speaker 1: on September twenty one, nineteen seventy three, a family friend 990 00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:35,360 Speaker 1: presented Kissinger with a copy of the Old Testament that 991 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,960 Speaker 1: would be been published in first in eighteen oh one 992 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:40,840 Speaker 1: for him to be sworn in on. Kissinger decided instead 993 00:57:40,880 --> 00:57:44,080 Speaker 1: to use Nixon's copy of the King James Bible, which 994 00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:46,320 Speaker 1: I just opened it. It's a bottle of bourbon. Sorry, 995 00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:52,440 Speaker 1: it's actually the bottle of lets that first one. So 996 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:55,880 Speaker 1: I'll last for Dick Nixon. Seventy four was an even 997 00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:58,280 Speaker 1: worse year for him than seventy three had been. In 998 00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,960 Speaker 1: July of that year, three Southern Democrats on the House 999 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,840 Speaker 1: Judiciary Committee announced that they were voting to impeach him. 1000 00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,320 Speaker 1: On August five, a transcript of taped conversations between him 1001 00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:10,360 Speaker 1: and Haldeman was released, which proved his involvement in the 1002 00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,640 Speaker 1: cover up of the Watergate break and and proved he'd 1003 00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,560 Speaker 1: lied under oath. This was the nail in the coffin. 1004 00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,680 Speaker 1: On August seven, Very Goldwater told Nixon he would not 1005 00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:22,240 Speaker 1: survive an impeachment vote. Nixon had already made the decision 1006 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:25,000 Speaker 1: to leave. He met with Jerry Ford, his vice president, 1007 00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:27,320 Speaker 1: and told him that he was about to be president. 1008 00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,280 Speaker 1: He urged forward to keep Kissinger on as his secretary 1009 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:33,040 Speaker 1: of State. Then Nixon made his big announcement to the 1010 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:37,000 Speaker 1: American people next from history dot com. After the speech, 1011 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,080 Speaker 1: Kissinger accompanied Nixon to his living quarters. One last time, 1012 00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,760 Speaker 1: history is going to a record that you were a 1013 00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:47,680 Speaker 1: great president, Kissinger assured Nixon. Henry the President said that 1014 00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:52,560 Speaker 1: will depend on who writes the history. Can you imagine 1015 00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:58,320 Speaker 1: a wasted Nixon showed Gerald Ford around like thought put 1016 00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,520 Speaker 1: that in your way. Days in the morn this is 1017 00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:05,200 Speaker 1: pineapple cottage cheese every day. Now here's a Jack Nixon's secret. 1018 00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: If you pour a little diet coke in the bourbon, 1019 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,760 Speaker 1: they can't tell you're getting drunk. At nine in the morning, 1020 00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,800 Speaker 1: when do you confuse? Just nod what you're throwing up 1021 00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:16,680 Speaker 1: in the toilet and say something disagreed with you, and 1022 00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,520 Speaker 1: it's diarrhea. The Secret Service agents have to let you 1023 00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:23,680 Speaker 1: puke down their sleeves. That's what I've been doing. This 1024 00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:26,720 Speaker 1: is the vacky room, and this is the vodka room. 1025 00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:31,160 Speaker 1: And this is the vacky room. This drawer here's for 1026 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,320 Speaker 1: letters and things like stamps like that. And this is 1027 00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,240 Speaker 1: the drawer you can puke in. But just bend over 1028 00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:38,480 Speaker 1: and pretend you're looking for something. I'm gonna be honest. 1029 00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:41,360 Speaker 1: I've been shifting in the fireplace a lot. It's hard 1030 00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:44,400 Speaker 1: to find the bathroom when you're turned in the oval. Look. Look, 1031 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,960 Speaker 1: if you're worried, just lift this cushion up. This chair 1032 00:59:47,040 --> 00:59:50,680 Speaker 1: is actually a toilet with wheels. Sits behind the desk. 1033 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 1: Trying to think what else? These are laws? You can 1034 00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:00,480 Speaker 1: wipe your ass with them. By the way, this is 1035 01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:04,160 Speaker 1: all being recorded. Everything is this chest hare is actually 1036 01:00:04,200 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 1: a tape recorder. Kissinger's sorrow over his boss stepping down 1037 01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:13,120 Speaker 1: was stopped somewhat by the fact that right around the 1038 01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:18,000 Speaker 1: same time, he'd succeeded in overthrowing an actual democratically elected leader, 1039 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:25,000 Speaker 1: doctor salvador I End. Now, yeah, we have We're not 1040 01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:26,560 Speaker 1: going to talk about this in a lot of detail 1041 01:00:26,640 --> 01:00:29,400 Speaker 1: because we have gone into detail on the coup against 1042 01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:32,040 Speaker 1: Ende in both our episodes on the Dullest Brothers into 1043 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:35,120 Speaker 1: the School of the America's. It's just like, not this 1044 01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,280 Speaker 1: is the thing to like cut out of our Kissinger 1045 01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,560 Speaker 1: story because we've covered it a lot before. But I 1046 01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:42,600 Speaker 1: will give an overview of Kissinger's involvement for the listeners 1047 01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 1: who maybe aren't familiar. Robert, Yeah, I know we are 1048 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,600 Speaker 1: all on the same page, but you're Derris or whatever. 1049 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,560 Speaker 1: Salvadora End was a socialist e dude who was elected 1050 01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,160 Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy Like all kind of socialists the US overthrows, 1051 01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,520 Speaker 1: he was not nearly as radical as they pretended he was, 1052 01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,400 Speaker 1: but he was solidly left wing. The US back to 1053 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:05,520 Speaker 1: military coup that overthrew him in nineteen seventy three, I 1054 01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,200 Speaker 1: end committed suicide and was replaced by General Augusto Pinochet, 1055 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,800 Speaker 1: who tortured and murdered tens of thousands of people over 1056 01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,160 Speaker 1: the next seventeen years. So I'm gonna be brief here 1057 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,360 Speaker 1: and I'm gonna read a summary of Kissinger's role in 1058 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,439 Speaker 1: that kerfuffle from the Transnational Institute. Less than a week 1059 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,440 Speaker 1: after Nixon received the disappointing news about the presidential vote, 1060 01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,600 Speaker 1: he decided to annul the Chilean vote. A quote widely 1061 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,280 Speaker 1: attributed to Secretary of State Henry Kissinger explained to Nixon's morality, 1062 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,560 Speaker 1: I don't see why we need to stand by and 1063 01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,560 Speaker 1: watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of 1064 01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:38,840 Speaker 1: its people. The issues are much too important for the 1065 01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,720 Speaker 1: Chilean vote voters to be left it aside for themselves. 1066 01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,560 Speaker 1: I mean, like you are you need to be like 1067 01:01:44,720 --> 01:01:51,840 Speaker 1: so far gone to be comfortable speaking in that way. Yeah, yeah, 1068 01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:55,200 Speaker 1: you you that's ghoulishly evil. I mean it's just like 1069 01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,080 Speaker 1: you could come up with a version of that that 1070 01:01:57,120 --> 01:02:01,479 Speaker 1: would also probably sound effective, but basically be like, look, 1071 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,920 Speaker 1: the people have fucked up voting, They've they've wrongly voted. 1072 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:09,240 Speaker 1: BOOPSI poopsie. Well, we'll do it for him. We'll figure 1073 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,520 Speaker 1: out I mean, we'll take care of this in United 1074 01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,800 Speaker 1: States policy pretty much, you know, yeah, all the time, 1075 01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:19,880 Speaker 1: in perpetuity. Yeah. And it's it's it's good. Um. Yeah. 1076 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:23,280 Speaker 1: And and after the bloody coup that that Kissinger and 1077 01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:28,200 Speaker 1: Nixon endorsed, Kissinger pushed to recognize Pinochet's coup government and 1078 01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,720 Speaker 1: offered economic aid. Uh. He pressured international lending organizations to 1079 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,680 Speaker 1: lend money to the new Chilean government. Yeah, he sucks. 1080 01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,040 Speaker 1: This is a bad thing that he did. Um. You 1081 01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:40,520 Speaker 1: can hear a lot more about it. And honestly, Kissingers 1082 01:02:40,560 --> 01:02:42,480 Speaker 1: was involved, but like the Dulles Brothers were a much 1083 01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:45,320 Speaker 1: bigger part of this specific things. So check that out 1084 01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:48,200 Speaker 1: in our Dulles Brothers episode. All this would Raquel welch 1085 01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:53,720 Speaker 1: on his arm. Yeah, Jill st John, I love the 1086 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:56,880 Speaker 1: way you. Actually the woman he does marry, Nancy McGinnis, 1087 01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:00,320 Speaker 1: who is also a fairly prominent person, is a huge 1088 01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,720 Speaker 1: fan of the overthrowing of the Chilean government. Um, and 1089 01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,440 Speaker 1: his wife is like more hardcore right wing than he is. 1090 01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,600 Speaker 1: Come to bed. Tell me about how you ignore the 1091 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:15,800 Speaker 1: will of the Chilean voters. Yeah. So I don't know 1092 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,080 Speaker 1: much about the working relationship Henry had with Jerry Ford honestly, 1093 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,120 Speaker 1: Like they didn't spend a lot of time together. We're 1094 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,320 Speaker 1: not going to delve super deep into it. Um, there 1095 01:03:23,360 --> 01:03:27,800 Speaker 1: were like too much to talk about. Still, Um, there 1096 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,000 Speaker 1: is one thing I want to note about his relationship 1097 01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:32,840 Speaker 1: with with kissing with Nixon, Like, for the first several 1098 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,320 Speaker 1: years that he's working with Nixon, he's desperate to go 1099 01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,200 Speaker 1: to Camp David anytime the President invites him, He's excited 1100 01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,560 Speaker 1: to go. But then when the Watergate thing is going 1101 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,320 Speaker 1: on and Nixon feels isolated and alone, Kissinger spends like 1102 01:03:43,360 --> 01:03:46,800 Speaker 1: the whole Watergate hearing time, jetting around the Middle East 1103 01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:49,560 Speaker 1: and stuff doing diplomacy. Nixon begs him like do you 1104 01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:51,400 Speaker 1: want to come hang out at Camp Dated with me? 1105 01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:54,360 Speaker 1: And Henry's like, oh, buddy, I'd love to, but you know, 1106 01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:58,800 Speaker 1: I just got so much work. I'm swamped over here 1107 01:03:58,920 --> 01:04:05,160 Speaker 1: with stuff. Was like such a It's amazing that there's 1108 01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,320 Speaker 1: a moment at this where you're like, oh, man, Dick, 1109 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,440 Speaker 1: he did you dirty? That's not yeah A friend to 1110 01:04:10,520 --> 01:04:13,400 Speaker 1: him a little bit of sympathy for do you want 1111 01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: to come to summer camp David with me. I can't 1112 01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,200 Speaker 1: I could really use a friend. I broke my arm. 1113 01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,360 Speaker 1: I can't get any merit badges or anything. This someone 1114 01:04:22,440 --> 01:04:29,160 Speaker 1: my mom said. So oh man, it's amazing. Um. So yeah, 1115 01:04:29,200 --> 01:04:32,480 Speaker 1: there's so much to talk about. I will tell you. 1116 01:04:32,520 --> 01:04:34,240 Speaker 1: I will note that one of the first things that 1117 01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:37,320 Speaker 1: Henry did a Secretary of State for President Ford was 1118 01:04:37,360 --> 01:04:40,360 Speaker 1: to deliberately enable another genocide, which put him just one 1119 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,680 Speaker 1: genocide away from earning a free coffee at the Pentagon Starbucks. 1120 01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:49,120 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, he's close. He's close. He's close. We're 1121 01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:50,840 Speaker 1: gonna talk about that. But you know what we got 1122 01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:53,840 Speaker 1: to talk about right now. Products and services that support 1123 01:04:53,880 --> 01:05:01,080 Speaker 1: this podcast, including Starbucks, commit five genocides, and Starbucks will 1124 01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:03,680 Speaker 1: fund to six that it reduces the price of coffee. Bee, 1125 01:05:03,840 --> 01:05:13,600 Speaker 1: make sure it's eventy. We're back. So. In nineteen sixty nine, 1126 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 1: the US conspired with the Indonesian dictator Suharto to encourage 1127 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,320 Speaker 1: the illegal annexation of West Papa through what was called 1128 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,880 Speaker 1: the Act of Free Choice. This was a shameless propaganda 1129 01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,000 Speaker 1: exercise which allowed the United States to pretend democracy. Ray, Ray, 1130 01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:29,640 Speaker 1: you get the idea. Behind the scenes support by the 1131 01:05:29,720 --> 01:05:33,000 Speaker 1: US at the UN allowed Suharto to solidify his control 1132 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:36,560 Speaker 1: on West Papua. This led to four decades of genocidal 1133 01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:39,760 Speaker 1: policies which have killed huge numbers of the Papuin population. 1134 01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:44,280 Speaker 1: Six years later, Suharto had another fun idea. East Timore 1135 01:05:44,480 --> 01:05:46,520 Speaker 1: was nearby and near the end of a twenty seven 1136 01:05:46,600 --> 01:05:50,400 Speaker 1: year long process of being decolonized by Portugal. Having just 1137 01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,280 Speaker 1: been ruled pretty brutally in the name of capital, you 1138 01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:55,600 Speaker 1: will be surprised to hear that the East Timorese people 1139 01:05:55,600 --> 01:06:00,240 Speaker 1: were somewhat sympathetic towards socialism. The leftist Friedland freight fright 1140 01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:04,600 Speaker 1: Fredlin Party began to gain ground as freedom grew near. 1141 01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:07,439 Speaker 1: In nineteen seventy five, it had a brief civil war 1142 01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:11,240 Speaker 1: with the much smaller right wing wing Pro Indonesian Party. 1143 01:06:11,600 --> 01:06:14,200 Speaker 1: This freaked out Portugal, who pulled their last people out 1144 01:06:14,200 --> 01:06:17,360 Speaker 1: of the country during the fighting. Seeing the territory abandoned, 1145 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,680 Speaker 1: General Suharto felt he had an opportunity. He and others 1146 01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,640 Speaker 1: in the Indonesian military began to complain to the Americans 1147 01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,280 Speaker 1: that East Timore might be used as a base for 1148 01:06:26,440 --> 01:06:31,520 Speaker 1: dastardly communists to inspire secessionist movements in Indonesia over in here, 1149 01:06:32,200 --> 01:06:35,480 Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, East Timore seems like it's 1150 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,640 Speaker 1: gonna be really bad. We're gotta tell them, we gotta 1151 01:06:38,640 --> 01:06:40,480 Speaker 1: get rid of them. And don't like the side of 1152 01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:44,960 Speaker 1: this over in East Timore, Freightlin the Socialist Departy recognized 1153 01:06:44,960 --> 01:06:47,040 Speaker 1: the fact that they were in danger. They had their 1154 01:06:47,040 --> 01:06:50,240 Speaker 1: oh we're in danger moment, and they declared their independence 1155 01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,200 Speaker 1: on November nineteen seventy five so they could ask for 1156 01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,040 Speaker 1: help from the United Nations. Everyone ignored them. Japan, a 1157 01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,880 Speaker 1: major investor in Indonesia, twiddled her thumbs. Australia looked away. 1158 01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:02,960 Speaker 1: This left the United States is the only power that 1159 01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:08,400 Speaker 1: could potentially stop Indonesia from invading. More do we do it? Yeah, 1160 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:11,400 Speaker 1: we did it. Everything's good now they're doing great. They're 1161 01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:15,800 Speaker 1: flying cars. How many times do we have to be 1162 01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:23,880 Speaker 1: the heroes? Yeah? Another job well done for the United States. 1163 01:07:23,880 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 1: On December six, five, on the eve of the planned invasion, 1164 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,400 Speaker 1: Gerald Ford and Henry Kissinger flew to Jakarta to meet 1165 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:33,560 Speaker 1: with Suharto. The very next day, Indonesian land, air, and 1166 01:07:33,680 --> 01:07:37,800 Speaker 1: naval forces invaded. The timing is predominant, predominant enough that 1167 01:07:37,800 --> 01:07:40,120 Speaker 1: people have debated ever since, whether or not Kissinger and 1168 01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:43,400 Speaker 1: Ford gave Suharto the green light here too, from a 1169 01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,560 Speaker 1: right up in the nation. Kissinger, who does not find 1170 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:48,920 Speaker 1: room to mention East two more, even in the index 1171 01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:51,640 Speaker 1: of his three volume memoir, has more than once stated 1172 01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,720 Speaker 1: that the invasion came to him as a surprise and 1173 01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:56,440 Speaker 1: that he barely knew of the existence of the Timorese question. 1174 01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,440 Speaker 1: He was obviously lying, but the breathtaking extent of his 1175 01:07:59,520 --> 01:08:02,000 Speaker 1: mendasca that he has only just become fully apparent with 1176 01:08:02,040 --> 01:08:05,760 Speaker 1: the declassification of a secret State Department telegram. The document, 1177 01:08:05,760 --> 01:08:08,000 Speaker 1: which has been made public by the National Security Archive 1178 01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:11,120 Speaker 1: at George Washington University, contains a verbatim record of the 1179 01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:14,400 Speaker 1: conversation among sue Hardo, Ford and Kissinger. We want your 1180 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,080 Speaker 1: understanding if we deem it necessary to take rapid or 1181 01:08:17,200 --> 01:08:20,639 Speaker 1: drastic action, Suharto open bluntly, We will understand and will 1182 01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:23,439 Speaker 1: not press you on the issue. Ford responded, we understand 1183 01:08:23,439 --> 01:08:26,440 Speaker 1: the problem you have in the intentions you have. Kissinger 1184 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,680 Speaker 1: was even more emphatic, but had an awareness of the 1185 01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:32,280 Speaker 1: possible spin problems back home. It is important that whatever 1186 01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,360 Speaker 1: you do succeeds quickly. He instructed the despot, we would 1187 01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:38,160 Speaker 1: be able to influence the reaction if whatever happens happens 1188 01:08:38,200 --> 01:08:40,880 Speaker 1: after we return. If you have made plans, we will 1189 01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,200 Speaker 1: do our best to keep everyone quiet until the president 1190 01:08:43,240 --> 01:08:47,840 Speaker 1: returns home, micromanaging things for sue Harto. He added, the 1191 01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:49,920 Speaker 1: president will be back on Monday at two p m. 1192 01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,519 Speaker 1: Jacarta time. We understand your problem and the need to 1193 01:08:52,520 --> 01:08:54,320 Speaker 1: move quickly, but I am only saying it would be 1194 01:08:54,320 --> 01:08:57,559 Speaker 1: better if it we're done after we returned. Worst case scenario, 1195 01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:01,760 Speaker 1: I'll just say I never said this, and nobody that 1196 01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,960 Speaker 1: I mean to be scheduling it like a like a 1197 01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:08,320 Speaker 1: golf day. Can you cracked out on the independence and 1198 01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,720 Speaker 1: freedom of these people and engage in a genocidal war 1199 01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:15,280 Speaker 1: like once we're back, just one five or like four 1200 01:09:15,360 --> 01:09:20,400 Speaker 1: on Monday with the great Tursday Thursday, would really like 1201 01:09:20,479 --> 01:09:25,000 Speaker 1: that's a lot of time. Yeah, I thought it was 1202 01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:28,360 Speaker 1: a workout right. Yeah, there's a lot of US factory 1203 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:31,439 Speaker 1: and fucking Indonesia. I'm sorry, I'm not going to hear this, gentleman. 1204 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,040 Speaker 1: That's enough of that talk. Please, the greatest country on Earth, 1205 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,360 Speaker 1: you do have that giant Indonesia in the United States 1206 01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,120 Speaker 1: shaking hands over a burning East him or tattoo over 1207 01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:45,840 Speaker 1: your heart. Well, I would hate for that that speculation, 1208 01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,960 Speaker 1: and uh, please cut that out, so if you can, 1209 01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,759 Speaker 1: we make a note that that should not be included 1210 01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,280 Speaker 1: in the episode. It seems a little incriminating. So Suharto's 1211 01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,400 Speaker 1: troops when they invaded East two more, which they did, 1212 01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:58,559 Speaker 1: were equipped with the finest u S made weaponry. Under 1213 01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,479 Speaker 1: the four and Assistance Act, such material could only be 1214 01:10:01,479 --> 01:10:04,360 Speaker 1: provided to nations who would use it exclusively for self defense. 1215 01:10:04,760 --> 01:10:07,160 Speaker 1: When this was brought up to sue Haarto, and when 1216 01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:09,000 Speaker 1: this was brought up to Kissinger and he was asked 1217 01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,599 Speaker 1: whether or not selling arms to sue Harto had violated 1218 01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,000 Speaker 1: the Act, Kissinger responded, it depends on how we construe it, 1219 01:10:15,240 --> 01:10:17,040 Speaker 1: whether it is in self defense or it is a 1220 01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:20,760 Speaker 1: foreign operation. Back in d C on December eighteenth and 1221 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:23,719 Speaker 1: a meeting his minutes are now to classified, Kissinger admitted 1222 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,280 Speaker 1: that he knew that he that he and you know 1223 01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:29,679 Speaker 1: the United States were violating the statute from the nation. 1224 01:10:30,080 --> 01:10:32,080 Speaker 1: And even more sinister note was struck later in the 1225 01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,360 Speaker 1: conversation when Kissinger asked sue Harto if he expected along 1226 01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:38,600 Speaker 1: guerrilla war, the dictator replied that there will probably be 1227 01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,639 Speaker 1: a small guerrilla war, while making no promise about its duration. 1228 01:10:41,960 --> 01:10:44,320 Speaker 1: Bear in mind that Kissinger has already urged speech and 1229 01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,720 Speaker 1: dispatch urged speed and dispatch upon Suharto Adam Malick, Indonesia's 1230 01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,400 Speaker 1: Prime minister at the time, later conceded in public that 1231 01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:54,599 Speaker 1: between fifty thousand and eighty thousand temporary civilians were killed 1232 01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,719 Speaker 1: in the first eighteen months of the occupation. These civilians 1233 01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:00,400 Speaker 1: were killed with American weapons, which Kissinger can tried to 1234 01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,479 Speaker 1: supply over congressional protests, and their murders were covered up 1235 01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:10,080 Speaker 1: by American diplomacy. So I mean again again, it really 1236 01:11:10,640 --> 01:11:14,160 Speaker 1: it really is like it's it's like a like a 1237 01:11:14,240 --> 01:11:18,679 Speaker 1: serial killer who just gets very comfortable with killing, gets 1238 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,840 Speaker 1: kind of cocky about it, starts leaving clues. But in 1239 01:11:21,840 --> 01:11:25,200 Speaker 1: this case, there's no cops chasing anyone. There's no he 1240 01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:27,720 Speaker 1: was really trying to solve the case. It's like if 1241 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,559 Speaker 1: the UNI bomber left his name on every package. Yeah, 1242 01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:36,320 Speaker 1: and then he was like a return address, yeah. Ted 1243 01:11:36,400 --> 01:11:42,800 Speaker 1: Kazinski Shack nine. Roughly three hundred thousand East Timor's civilians, 1244 01:11:42,880 --> 01:11:45,599 Speaker 1: roughly half the population, were forced out of their homes 1245 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,479 Speaker 1: and into camps during the fighting. By nineteen eighty the 1246 01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:50,799 Speaker 1: death toll was at least a hundred thousand, and possibly 1247 01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:54,360 Speaker 1: as high as two d. Thomas Meany, writing in The 1248 01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,559 Speaker 1: New Yorker, has tried to make sense of this. All 1249 01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:01,080 Speaker 1: kissingers sign off on the Indonesian president to Harte's genocidal 1250 01:12:01,120 --> 01:12:03,320 Speaker 1: campaign and East two more was meant to signal that 1251 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:07,280 Speaker 1: America would unquestionably reward those who had decimated communists within 1252 01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:10,800 Speaker 1: their reach. In retrospect, the notion that everything America did 1253 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,640 Speaker 1: would be duly registered and responded to by its opponents 1254 01:12:13,640 --> 01:12:17,360 Speaker 1: and friends seems like an expression of geopolitical narcissism. At 1255 01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:20,160 Speaker 1: the time, the thirty three year old Senator Joe Biden 1256 01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,720 Speaker 1: accused Kissinger at a Senate hearing of trying to promuligate 1257 01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:26,960 Speaker 1: a global Monroe doctrine. The Kissinger is that guy to 1258 01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:29,519 Speaker 1: where repeatedly terrible people will be like, well, you're in 1259 01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:32,920 Speaker 1: the right here, but only because you're talking about Henry Kissinger. 1260 01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:38,200 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I mean yeah, He's like yeah. It's like, 1261 01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,320 Speaker 1: in the next episode, we're gonna have a moment where 1262 01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:42,519 Speaker 1: the CIA is a voice of reason to give you 1263 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,800 Speaker 1: an idea of where and how many people have to 1264 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,240 Speaker 1: be the voice of reason. I mean, it just is 1265 01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:53,600 Speaker 1: like he's like cocky. I mean, it's just just no 1266 01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:57,120 Speaker 1: ships given at this point to have no I mean 1267 01:12:57,120 --> 01:12:59,200 Speaker 1: it's not like he's had a soul throughout all of this. 1268 01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,639 Speaker 1: But you think that once you have a soul for 1269 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:03,880 Speaker 1: such a long period of time, you would start to 1270 01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,400 Speaker 1: notice the absence of a soul and at least start 1271 01:13:06,479 --> 01:13:09,240 Speaker 1: to act like you had a soul. Well, good news, Gareth, 1272 01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:15,280 Speaker 1: nothing like that ever happens. Fucking great. Yeah, we're we're 1273 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:19,080 Speaker 1: gonna have fun and episode six, um, but you know, 1274 01:13:19,360 --> 01:13:22,400 Speaker 1: now it's time to just chill out, you know, have 1275 01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:25,799 Speaker 1: a drink of just a nice sip of the blood 1276 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:30,880 Speaker 1: of I don't know, East Timorese dissonance. Um, and uh 1277 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:35,439 Speaker 1: go watch the Paraos documentary Henry Kissing You get cooked. 1278 01:13:35,680 --> 01:13:41,240 Speaker 1: But I mean, yeah, you only only like I forget 1279 01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:44,320 Speaker 1: who said it, but that's true. That's our hero. She's 1280 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,720 Speaker 1: our hero Zanko who was like, hey, yeah you can, 1281 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,719 Speaker 1: we can do this with your blood at Walgreens because 1282 01:13:51,520 --> 01:13:54,680 Speaker 1: she got Henry kissing her involved. And I mean, just 1283 01:13:54,760 --> 01:13:57,960 Speaker 1: he's he's not It's not like he's not a genius 1284 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:01,280 Speaker 1: there's just not a lot of genius it takes to 1285 01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:05,000 Speaker 1: just be awful and indiscriminate. Yeah, he's just like the 1286 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:10,960 Speaker 1: best of all time. And here's the thing. Episode six, 1287 01:14:10,960 --> 01:14:14,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about his political downfall because he does 1288 01:14:14,240 --> 01:14:17,759 Speaker 1: get his come uppance, but it's from people who suck, 1289 01:14:17,880 --> 01:14:21,240 Speaker 1: maybe even worse at least as bad as he does, 1290 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:24,559 Speaker 1: and so there's no satisfaction in it, like and he's 1291 01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,760 Speaker 1: also it's also it's like Hitler had gotten assassinated by 1292 01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:31,679 Speaker 1: Hitler too, who had been like expanded. And it's also 1293 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,800 Speaker 1: by people who are like they're there because of him, 1294 01:14:34,840 --> 01:14:39,920 Speaker 1: like they like he had to walk so they could run. Yes, exactly, Yes, 1295 01:14:39,960 --> 01:14:42,400 Speaker 1: there's someone needs to paint a picture of like Henry 1296 01:14:42,439 --> 01:14:45,200 Speaker 1: Kissinger kind of on the bow of the Titanic holding 1297 01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,920 Speaker 1: up Dick Cheney with his arms. All that fails. Nice, 1298 01:14:50,439 --> 01:14:54,559 Speaker 1: that feels real, Nice, Henry, So you love your form, 1299 01:14:54,640 --> 01:14:57,639 Speaker 1: Let me paint you kissing your walked so that Donald 1300 01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:06,840 Speaker 1: Rubbs felt could stagger ya. But that's gonna be part six. Still, 1301 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:11,600 Speaker 1: then Dave, what Gareth you got plug? I want to 1302 01:15:11,680 --> 01:15:20,240 Speaker 1: drink like Nixon? We uh again, look at what capitalism gets. Yeah, 1303 01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,719 Speaker 1: we we will be invading the stories of Australia searching 1304 01:15:23,720 --> 01:15:25,800 Speaker 1: for their w m d s, which we believe our north, South, 1305 01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,840 Speaker 1: East and West. Um. You can go to Dollar podcast 1306 01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:32,120 Speaker 1: dot com and uh, I'll be also doing stand up 1307 01:15:32,120 --> 01:15:34,160 Speaker 1: over there, and you can go to Gareth Reynolds dot 1308 01:15:34,160 --> 01:15:36,719 Speaker 1: com for those stand up dates. And we're also touring 1309 01:15:36,760 --> 01:15:40,559 Speaker 1: America this summer. Sorry, we're touring the best country on 1310 01:15:40,680 --> 01:15:44,160 Speaker 1: Earth this summer, and you can go to Dollar podcast 1311 01:15:44,200 --> 01:15:46,800 Speaker 1: dot com for all that information. Now I should note 1312 01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:49,720 Speaker 1: here y'all that that you guys have an ongoing, uh 1313 01:15:49,800 --> 01:15:52,840 Speaker 1: an ongoing argument over over whether or not Gare is 1314 01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,280 Speaker 1: an appropriate nickname for you. Gareth and I felt like 1315 01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:58,360 Speaker 1: maybe we could bring in a negotiator to help us, 1316 01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:00,800 Speaker 1: to help us deal with this question. So I'd like 1317 01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,559 Speaker 1: to introduce to the Paul Dr Henry Kissing. Oh my god, 1318 01:16:08,040 --> 01:16:11,800 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I said all those horrible things. I think 1319 01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:15,640 Speaker 1: good idea. Look like a little bit. He's got his 1320 01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,599 Speaker 1: nice shorts on, he's got those nut huggers. 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