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Speaker 1: Welcome to wrongful Conviction, False Confessions. I'm Laura and I

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Speaker 2: I'm Steve Drissin.

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Speaker 1: In the wake of nine to eleven, keeping America safe

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Speaker 1: was everyone's priority. But what happens when an innocent man

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Speaker 1: gets accused of terrorism based on a false confession. Today's

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Speaker 1: case includes one of the most outlandish confessions I've ever heard,

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Speaker 1: a thousand pole vaulting terrorists, all dressed up like ninja turtles.

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Speaker 1: It's a story that sounds like the punchline of a

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Speaker 1: joke instead of the path to a conviction. But for

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Speaker 1: US citizen Hamid Hyatt, the verdict was no joke at all.

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Speaker 1: Usually we start each episode by telling you about a crime,

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Speaker 1: but in today's story, there was both a crime on

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Speaker 1: a scale we've never seen before and no crime at all.

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Speaker 1: You see, this case took place right after the horrific

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Speaker 1: nine to eleven attacks. Thousands of Americans had died, and

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Speaker 1: pressure was building on our government to prevent more attacks.

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Speaker 1: Make no mistake, there was a lot of good police

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Speaker 1: work done to keep us all safe, but sometimes fear

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Speaker 1: started to override good decision making. Some law enforcement efforts

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Speaker 1: became driven by panic, and even prejudice, not proof. This

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Speaker 1: story is one of the times we got it wrong.

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Speaker 1: In two thousand and five, California native and US citizen

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Speaker 1: Hamid Hyatt was accused of being part of a homegrown

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Speaker 1: terrorist sleeper cell. Years later, the government admitted that no

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Speaker 1: such sleeper cell ever existed, but Hamid had falsely confessed.

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Speaker 1: He spent more than a decade in prison before being cleared.

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Speaker 2: As prosecutors prepare for trial, they review the evidence that

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Speaker 2: the FBI agents obtained in the case, and they look

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Speaker 2: at the interrogation and tapes, and you have to wonder

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Speaker 2: what the prosecutors in this case were thinking when they

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Speaker 2: saw these tapes. What were they thinking when the corroboration

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Speaker 2: of this case was so thin.

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Speaker 1: Hamed is one of the first post nine to eleven

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Speaker 1: terrorism defendants to be exonerated, and he probably won't be

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Speaker 1: the last. His story is a caution to us all

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Speaker 1: when we're talking about our national security, there's nothing more

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Speaker 1: important than getting it right. Hamid's story takes place in Lodi, California,

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Speaker 1: a medium sized town halfway between San Francisco and Sacramento.

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Speaker 1: Lodi's downtown looks like the set of an old western,

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Speaker 1: Pakistani American community where families wear traditional clothing and center

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Speaker 1: their lives around the local mosque. We'll get to Lodi

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Speaker 1: in a minute, but our story starts in Oregon. That's

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Speaker 1: where FBI agents traveled in October two thousand and one

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Speaker 1: looking for a suspected terrorist named Nasim Khan. The Nasm

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Speaker 1: Khan they've found was a twenty eight year old convenience

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Speaker 1: store employee. The FBI quickly realized this guy had nothing

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Speaker 1: to do with terrorism. He simply had the same name

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Speaker 1: as their suspect. But with the FBI at his door,

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Speaker 1: Nasim smelled an opportunity. He gave the agents the biggest

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Speaker 1: tip he could conjure up. He claimed to have seen

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Speaker 1: i'm in al Zawahiri, one of the most wanted terrorists

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Speaker 1: in the world, at a mosque in Lodi, California.

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Speaker 2: It's ludicrous, absolutely ludicrous that Osama bin Lan's number two

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Speaker 2: and of all places, settle in Lode Eye, California.

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Speaker 1: The FBI, to its credit, didn't believe Nassem. They figured

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Speaker 1: Even his own mother later called Nassim a bag full

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Speaker 1: any sleeper cells. Somehow, they decided Nasim was their guy.

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Speaker 1: Being hired as an informant was a pretty big deal

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Speaker 1: for Nassim. He went from working in a convenience store

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Speaker 1: FEDS even paid for his car washes. In exchange, they

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Speaker 1: focusing on the Hyatt family, especially nineteen year old Hamid. Now,

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Speaker 1: no history of political involvement or extremism whatsoever. Hahmed's dad, Umer,

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Speaker 2: The pairing of Nassim and Hahmed was a strange pairing

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Speaker 2: Hamid and Hamid nineteen or so at the time, acted

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Speaker 1: As a child, Hamad had split his time between his

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Speaker 1: when Nassim, the informant, befriended him, Hamed couldn't believe his luck.

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Speaker 2: Nassim was paying attention to Hamid, and very few people

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Speaker 1: Nassim was older, he had a fancy car, and apparently

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Speaker 1: up Hamed. Hamed was in Nasim Andhmaed became friends, or

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Speaker 1: at least so Hamid thought. Over the next year or two,

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Speaker 1: jihadi activities for years. Pretty Soon, hapless Hamed started trying

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Speaker 1: own exploits. Once Hamed said he participated in a Taliban attack,

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Speaker 1: another time he claimed he'd been held in a Pakistani jail.

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Speaker 1: And when Nasim said that he wanted to go to

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Speaker 1: a terrorist training camp, Hamed said that sounded cool. Fast

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Speaker 1: but Hamid refuses. He fends Nasim off with one excuse

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Speaker 1: It's pretty obvious Hamed has zero interest in becoming a terrorist. Finally,

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Speaker 1: It was their last phone call. Hamed gets married in

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Speaker 1: Diverted to Tokyo because it turns out Hamed is on

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Speaker 1: By June two thousand and five, there'd been a three

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Speaker 1: the FBI was feeling pressure to show results in the

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Speaker 2: at about eleven thirty in the morning, and it would

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Speaker 1: They start taping at five o'clock in the afternoon. You

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Speaker 1: He's facing two FBI agents who are staring him down.

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Speaker 2: at least some of Hamid's interrogation went down.

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Speaker 1: As soon as the tape's rolling. The agents accuse Hamid

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Speaker 1: and then the agents offer him help. As long as

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Speaker 1: they're there to help him. Hamid looks desperate to please

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Speaker 1: these guys. He says, he wants to cooperate for my country.

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Speaker 3: From our country are doing anything, you know, because you

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Speaker 3: know these guys are.

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Speaker 1: Hunting our country about well, I appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: I mean it's important because you.

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Speaker 4: Know every day in the movie sees her. You know,

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Speaker 4: our troops Erooklyn.

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Speaker 3: They're very hard for you know, making peace in the

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Speaker 2: While they're making peace, they're making peace for us so

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Speaker 2: we can live together, all of us. Yeah, And what

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Speaker 1: What they're doing is to teaching people out to how

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Speaker 1: to kill American of course, right, that's what.

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Speaker 2: The camps are all about.

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Speaker 1: The interrogation goes on for hours into the night, until

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Speaker 1: Hamid starts breaking. He tells the agents he did go

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Speaker 2: It's laughable.

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Speaker 1: They ask him when he'd gone to the camp. At

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Speaker 1: first Hamad said it was during the hot season, but

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Speaker 2: actually a pistol, and he'd only shot it three or

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Speaker 2: four times. What kind of training is that?

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Speaker 1: The agents ask comed where the camp was, and he

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Speaker 3: You're all over the map here, and you're not helping

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Speaker 3: yourself out it by doing that, you know, Okay, when

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Speaker 3: one minute you're saying Northwest Frontier, next minute you're saying cash,

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Speaker 3: you're saying where this building was? Which city was it?

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I'll say about a court.

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Speaker 3: It's not that you will say you know where it is,

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Speaker 3: you know where the building is, Tell me where was it?

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Speaker 3: About a gourd and the BFP in NWFP.

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Speaker 1: And calling Coort and of course remember Hammad had said

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Speaker 1: none of this to Nassin Khan, despite years of recorded

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Speaker 1: a training camp. It's only after this interrogation that Hamad

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Speaker 1: and piece by piece, the agents feed him nearly all

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Speaker 1: the information in his confession, down to the types of

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Speaker 3: There are certain kinds of targets that you know, are

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Speaker 1: Blame it on whatever you want to blame it on.

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Speaker 2: You throw a word out there, you throw the word terror,

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Speaker 1: There's a federal trial to get ready for, and the

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Speaker 1: Hammid's lawyer had some of the best false confession experts

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's a travel prayer. You know, Jews travel

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Speaker 1: All right, well, I feel comfortable traveling with you, Steve.

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Speaker 1: You're gott me covered spiritually.

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Speaker 2: No, I kind of elapsed jewe okay, But people have

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Speaker 1: Despite a pretty weak defense, Hamid's conviction was far from guaranteed.

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Speaker 1: Even after hearing his confession, The jury still took nine

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Speaker 1: and seven, Hamed Hyatt was sentenced to twenty four years

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Speaker 1: more than eight years. But even while Hamat endured prison,

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Speaker 2: So Hamid is in prison and he's doing his time,

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Speaker 1: Lawyer, a great lawyer by the name of Dennis Riardon.

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Speaker 1: For those of you who are real true crime junkies,

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Speaker 6: For us, of course, the important thing about the case

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Speaker 1: So Dennis starts investigating the time that Hamid spent in

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Speaker 6: They described in great detail his daily routine. He was

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Speaker 1: Person after person comes forward to say that when Hahmad

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Speaker 1: Dennis prepares an appeal based on these alibis. He's granted

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Speaker 2: And doctor Leo testified that this confession was useless. It

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Speaker 1: The media is following all of this. A PBS Frontline

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Speaker 1: The confession tapes also pointed to Hammid's innocence. His case

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Speaker 6: knowing that he would be there, and the video of

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Speaker 6: his mother seeing him for the first time in fourteen

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Speaker 6: years because she was never able to visit him, and

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Speaker 6: then the same with his father, Jeremah Jeremah. It was extraordinary.

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Speaker 6: Everyone wept just watching it.

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Speaker 1: Since his exoneration, Hamid's been taking life one day at

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Speaker 1: a time. He's living in California, although not in Lodi,

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Speaker 1: and he's reconnecting with his family, including nieces and nephews

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Speaker 1: who were born while he was locked up. But like

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Speaker 1: all exoneries, he's struggling to navigate a world that's really

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Speaker 1: different than the one he was taken from in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and five. When I saw him a few months ago,

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Speaker 1: I asked him if he was okay. He looked at

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Speaker 1: me for a long time and simply said, no, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Hamed's got a lot of healing to do. But the

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Speaker 1: good news he's got an enormous number of supporters who

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Speaker 1: believe in him, and Hamid, we're here to say for

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Speaker 1: you too, Hey, Hamed?

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Speaker 5: Is that you?

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Speaker 6: Hey?

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Speaker 4: Laura? Are you doing good?

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Speaker 5: Good?

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Speaker 2: What are you up to today?

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Speaker 4: Not much? Where do you stand these days?

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Speaker 5: You sand with your family?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm with my family.

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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 5: What's it like to be back with your family after

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Speaker 5: so many years away.

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Speaker 4: Truly a blessing.

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Speaker 5: They always believed in you.

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Speaker 4: My family was there, my legal team was there, almost supported.

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Speaker 4: That was my hope, my star.

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Speaker 1: Where do you see yourself five years from now?

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Speaker 4: I just want to go back to school and get

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Speaker 4: my school the Phoneline didn't go to college after that.

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Speaker 4: I hope you'll find a good job.

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Speaker 1: I see you on social media posting pictures of you

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Speaker 1: with your nieces and nephews.

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Speaker 5: It's amazing. You've been out what since August, and you're

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Speaker 5: already way better than me at Instagram. So the checks.

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Speaker 2: And balances in our criminal justice system failed miserably in

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Speaker 2: this case. And I think it's not because these are

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Speaker 2: bad people or they were trying to frame Hamid Hyad

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Speaker 2: and his father. I think it's because they were operating

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Speaker 2: in the panic and fear that everybody in this country

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Speaker 2: was living under in the wake of nine to eleven,

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Speaker 2: And in that context, I think standards for what a

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Speaker 2: good case is sometimes get.

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Speaker 1: Ignored, Standards start being cut short, and the results is

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Speaker 1: the taking of more innocent life. Right in this case,

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Speaker 1: fourteen years from the life of Hammed Hyad. When Hamad

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Speaker 1: was released, he said I still think this is a dream.

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Speaker 1: I wake up and I still think I'm in prison.

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Speaker 1: I'll never be able to pay back my sisters and brothers,

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Speaker 1: none of my supporters. I'm your servant until the day

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Speaker 1: of judgment. That's the story of Hamed Hyatt. Next week,

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Speaker 1: join us as we go to South Carolina. We'll take

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Speaker 1: you to a fight for justice that's stuck with Steve

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Speaker 1: his entire career till then. Thanks for listening to Wrongful Conviction,

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Speaker 1: Connor Hall. Special thanks to Jogi Hammer for additional script

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