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Speaker 1: their senior scouting analyst. Every year we usually have his colleague,

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Speaker 1: Matt Manicherian on, a former NFL scout. Well, he is

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Speaker 1: knee deep in draft stuff, folks, so we're gonna get

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Speaker 1: him on after the draft. Jordan is kind enough to

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Speaker 1: pinch it for him today. Jordan, welcome, How are you man?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. I love the baseball referencing that you

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Speaker 1: got in there with being opening data's past weekend. But

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well, doing well. Thanks for having me absolutely

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Speaker 1: And by the way, and I talk tell you guys

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Speaker 1: to go check this out. Every year, they used to

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Speaker 1: do a book, Now they do a website. Go to

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Speaker 1: Sports Infosolutions dot com. Just click on the NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: on the top and it takes you to their NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft big board. You have leaderboards by positions with all

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Speaker 1: their metrics that you know, things like yards per route run,

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Speaker 1: broken tackles, things that really give you a little bit

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Speaker 1: more in depth look at all these prospects. Make sure

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Speaker 1: you go check that out at Sports Info Solutions dot com. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: let's kind of start here. Let's do a real basic

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Speaker 1: primer here on the draft class. I know a lot

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Speaker 1: of people have said, is their opinion that this isn't

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Speaker 1: How do you guys view the overall quality of this

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Speaker 1: a classes the last three four years? Yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: think with this year, there's you know, still some top

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Speaker 1: has tess, some boss feels, complaints and press coverage. Uh,

429
00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,879
Speaker 1: can really just make an effect on the game that

430
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,400
Speaker 1: he might not be able to see on every single play,

431
00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:04,520
Speaker 1: but he's doing his job out there. He's getting things

432
00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,159
Speaker 1: done on the field. Interesting. All right, let's go to

433
00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:09,720
Speaker 1: linebacker real quick. Geo names we haven't mentioned much here.

434
00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,320
Speaker 1: I haven't paced Junior, who I thought was you know,

435
00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,320
Speaker 1: all over the place at the Senior Bowl, and then

436
00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,560
Speaker 1: Servassi A Dennis from Pittsburgh. You guys seem to really

437
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,879
Speaker 1: really like Let's start with Dennis. Tell me about him,

438
00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,400
Speaker 1: and then my feel is that if I haven't paid,

439
00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 1: Junior was like three inches taller and like maybe fifteen

440
00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,399
Speaker 1: pounds heavier. We might be talking about him as a

441
00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:31,960
Speaker 1: late day one pick. Yeah. So yeah, So with Dennis,

442
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,680
Speaker 1: he's one of these guys. He's just a really good

443
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 1: athlete kind of playing football, gets downhill really well, sees

444
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:38,960
Speaker 1: the ball, get the ball, he can just run to

445
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,880
Speaker 1: it and make a play. He's all over our leader

446
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,080
Speaker 1: boards and stat ranks as well. And so he's he's

447
00:19:44,119 --> 00:19:46,399
Speaker 1: a guy that just is a really good football player.

448
00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 1: And so he's got really good speed range. We think

449
00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,480
Speaker 1: he can be a three down linebacker as well. You know,

450
00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:56,440
Speaker 1: maybe these get a little bit better in some coverage aspects,

451
00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,480
Speaker 1: but that play speed and kind of that just it

452
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,200
Speaker 1: shows up on film right away. And so and then

453
00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,840
Speaker 1: with with pace. Yeah, he's one of these guys where

454
00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:07,040
Speaker 1: we talked about earlier. You know, beauty maybe in the

455
00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:09,680
Speaker 1: eyes of beholder. Um, he's one of these guys where

456
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:11,879
Speaker 1: somebody might just fall in love with him. Uh, you

457
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:14,639
Speaker 1: know the five eleven, two thirty one isn't you know great,

458
00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,320
Speaker 1: But he's one of these guys that just he stood

459
00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,840
Speaker 1: out on film just with his intensity. Um, you know,

460
00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 1: he he's making a play on the ball any chance

461
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 1: he can get. Um, he was able to show off

462
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:25,920
Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl that I think that he could

463
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,399
Speaker 1: play with guys of that size and NFL's caliber size

464
00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,520
Speaker 1: and be able to have an impact um and so, uh,

465
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,000
Speaker 1: you know, he might not be one of these guys that, uh,

466
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 1: you know, he plays on that first you know, in

467
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 1: second down and then on third down. He might come

468
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 1: off the field with just kind of how you know

469
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,520
Speaker 1: the NFL works nowadays with coverage and all that kind

470
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 1: of stuff, size and link and speed and so. But

471
00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 1: he's one of these guys that he's a tackling machine,

472
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:52,199
Speaker 1: knows how to get to the ball um and he

473
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,240
Speaker 1: just he doesn't let his size affect him. Yeah. Absolutely,

474
00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:58,960
Speaker 1: I think he could be exciting. Very Sam Mills. Ask

475
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,120
Speaker 1: for the older folks out there that might remember Sam

476
00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,800
Speaker 1: Mills playing for the Panthers back in the day in

477
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 1: the Saints, all right, let's go edge rusher here. You know,

478
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: it's not a huge meat for the Giants, but I

479
00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 1: think there is value there at that position. At the

480
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:11,360
Speaker 1: end of the first round, I'm gonna throw a couple

481
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,400
Speaker 1: of names at you here, and they're very different. I'm

482
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:16,680
Speaker 1: gonna throw key On White first. He's two eighty two, eighty.

483
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,120
Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna throw with McDonald at you. He's two forty,

484
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 1: and then Vijojilari is kind of like in the middle

485
00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: a little bit. All right, So give me your guys

486
00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:25,920
Speaker 1: thoughts and maybe some of your metrics on those three

487
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,960
Speaker 1: and where they would kind of fit in as edge

488
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 1: players in the NFL. But I'm not sure White necessarily

489
00:21:31,400 --> 00:21:33,840
Speaker 1: would fit kind of what Wink Martindale does, but I

490
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,239
Speaker 1: think the other two might a little bit. Yeah, So

491
00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 1: why is a guy that I'll probably see more. We

492
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 1: have him listed as an edge. He's more of that

493
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:43,800
Speaker 1: kind of even front five tech edge and then he'll

494
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: bump down inside just based off height and weight and

495
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,399
Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff. And so but really explosive

496
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:52,240
Speaker 1: first step, you know, violent hands, The hands show up,

497
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,640
Speaker 1: the upper body strings shows up at that size as well.

498
00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:56,200
Speaker 1: And so this is a guy that kind of flew

499
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,399
Speaker 1: under the radar for a while and then you're transferred

500
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,119
Speaker 1: from ODU out to Georgia Tech and really kind of

501
00:22:02,160 --> 00:22:04,640
Speaker 1: exploded this season. And so he was able to get

502
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure this season in the ACC. It's

503
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 1: not not one of these, you know guys that's going

504
00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: to stand out super athletically, he's not going to be

505
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: a bendy edge rusher or anything like that man, but

506
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: super powerful upper body. He's going to be able to

507
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 1: collapse the pocket from the interior as well. And then, uh,

508
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: you know, guy like Will McDonald, he's kind of the

509
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: opposite where he's one of these guys that has like

510
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: kind of the physical tools and the hand use and

511
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,560
Speaker 1: but he's got the athleticism to be able to bend

512
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,080
Speaker 1: around the edge and all that kind of stuff. And

513
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,280
Speaker 1: so um, he's one of these guys that will kind

514
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 1: of play maybe more of that a stand up role

515
00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: eventually at the next level. But and with Iowa State's defense,

516
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:43,679
Speaker 1: it is a little tough to evaluate true edge rushers

517
00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 1: with the three three five that they have. You know,

518
00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,720
Speaker 1: he's playing kind of more of a condensed five technique,

519
00:22:48,760 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: maybe even some four eye I mean, you're kind of

520
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:54,239
Speaker 1: bending it back outside by the way thing. Let the

521
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: man play outside the tackle, please, I mean, my gosh,

522
00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: with his athleticism, let him go to work in space.

523
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:01,880
Speaker 1: It was dropping not to watch it his tape. Yeah,

524
00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:04,000
Speaker 1: and so and so when you kind of see that

525
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,640
Speaker 1: in the few glimpses that you get, where he can

526
00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,879
Speaker 1: kind of pin his ears back. You know, he's a

527
00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,880
Speaker 1: couple of couple of yards outside of the tackle box

528
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 1: and he's able to just kind of run up the field.

529
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,400
Speaker 1: You see that, and you see the athleticism, the quickness

530
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: and all those kinds of things that are really going

531
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 1: to stand out and be more of his role at

532
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,199
Speaker 1: the next level. And so um, and then you go

533
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 1: down to b Jilari. Obviously that the name is gonna

534
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,920
Speaker 1: sound familiar with with his z's as well, but he's

535
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 1: one of these guys that really stands out on film.

536
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,639
Speaker 1: You know, athletically, Um, he's got this the speed in

537
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 1: the bend as well. Um, he's gonna be you know,

538
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: kind of like a high level DPR type of guy.

539
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:39,640
Speaker 1: Maybe not you know, stopping the run. Setting the edge

540
00:23:39,760 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 1: might not be his true thing from day one, but

541
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 1: getting after the quarterback that's going to be his forte um.

542
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,000
Speaker 1: And he's he's very very kind of similar prospects to

543
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:50,560
Speaker 1: what his brother can do, uh in all those types

544
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: of things as well. And so I think it's it's

545
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 1: a great range, you know, to to need an edge

546
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: rusher that's going to be specific for what the Giants

547
00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: need to do. All right, how about the hybrid guy,

548
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: because I wonder how you guys view him. Drew Sanders, right,

549
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: he was an edge guy at Alabama. Most Arkansas plays

550
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:07,840
Speaker 1: the middle. I'm not gonna call him a fish out

551
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 1: of water in the middle, but he doesn't look like

552
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,920
Speaker 1: a natural mic linebacker when you watch him. But boy,

553
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,400
Speaker 1: his pass rush is there and it shows. So where

554
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,200
Speaker 1: does he fit here? Is he kind of like a

555
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 1: like a destitute man's Michael Parsons type of guy where

556
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:23,400
Speaker 1: maybe early downs you put him inside, then I'm passing downs,

557
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,680
Speaker 1: you flop him outside. How do you think he's gonna

558
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 1: fit in? And a role in the pros? Yeah? So

559
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: Sanders is really interesting. He is a high level prospect

560
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,680
Speaker 1: coming out of high school. He and will Anderson were

561
00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:39,119
Speaker 1: in the same class coming coming out of high school,

562
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: and they were both five star athletes, you know, and

563
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: so but you know, Sanders, I believe, was listed as

564
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:45,719
Speaker 1: an athlete coming out of high school, and so he

565
00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:47,439
Speaker 1: was one of these kind of do it all guys

566
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:49,840
Speaker 1: and Alabama gets his hands on and says, hey, you're

567
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: gonna play edge. And so the only reason why he

568
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: wasn't getting as many snaps is because the guy like

569
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: will Anderson is ahead of him. They have some other

570
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 1: guys that have played as well that have been drafted

571
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 1: the last few years too. So going to Arkansas, he's

572
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,560
Speaker 1: very finally able to kind of put you know, his athleticism,

573
00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: you know, and kind of his just ability on display

574
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: for everybody. And so, yeah, what you said there, you

575
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: kind of get this guy where a defensive coordinator is

576
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 1: going to be able to kind of get to mold

577
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: him into what he wants to be. Um, yeah, I

578
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,400
Speaker 1: kind of agree with one of these guys with him

579
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 1: being an edge player. I like him to just you know,

580
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 1: be working downhill, collapse into pocket, you know, and then

581
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 1: if if you want to drop him back into coverage,

582
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit athletes him to do that

583
00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: as well. I don't necessarily want them kind of playing

584
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: in the inside the box that much. You're trying to

585
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 1: read and react to the run, and this is a

586
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 1: guy that I'd rather have closer to the line of scrimmage.

587
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,360
Speaker 1: Use the athleticism on the edge as well. But yeah,

588
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: he's really strong, he's got that versatility, plays with the

589
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 1: relentless motor and all those kinds of things as well.

590
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: And so but the instincts would need to be, you know,

591
00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 1: a little bit higher for him to be a true

592
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: inside linebacker at the next level. But I think this

593
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: is still going to be a guy that's going to

594
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: be a value player at the at the next level,

595
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: real quick on the big guys inside, do you see

596
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: value at twenty five there? Let's just assume Klaija cans

597
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: he's not getting there right. Let's say he's off the board.

598
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,200
Speaker 1: He's not going to be available that next group. The

599
00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: Mazzie Smith's at a bar raise guys like that, is

600
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 1: anyone worth you know, the bite at twenty five or

601
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 1: is that a spot where maybe you should wait a

602
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: little bit if you're looking for a guy that you know,

603
00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 1: maybe you're looking more and more of a run stopper

604
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: than necessarily a pass rusher. Yeah, so Mazzie Smith, I

605
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 1: actually wrote him up for our site as well. Um,

606
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: I love him as a prospect. However, I just could

607
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 1: not get there with the pass rush ability. No, I

608
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,719
Speaker 1: mean either that there was he obviously had the flashes.

609
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: There was a couple of times where he's like okay, wow,

610
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: like that's that's you know, that's you rarely see that

611
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,680
Speaker 1: from a true nose tackle and so uh. But if

612
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: a two down player, I'm not necessarily sold at at

613
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:47,560
Speaker 1: at the late part of the first round. I would

614
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: try and wait to see if I can get him

615
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: in the second. But still he's got you know, tremendous athlete,

616
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: raw power, you know, and all those kinds of things.

617
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: Some of the stories about him are kind of crazy,

618
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: just you know, in the workout room and all that

619
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But yeah, um, you know guys like

620
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: you know Brazi. You know, obviously if Kans he's not

621
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 1: going to be there. Um. I like Lucas Vaness a lot.

622
00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 1: I think he could kind of be one of these

623
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 1: hybrid players similar to what Kean White is, where he

624
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 1: could be an edge also play on the inside. Maybe

625
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: he's a little bit more of a five tech true

626
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 1: power guy. He can really collapse the pocket from every

627
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,240
Speaker 1: single spot along the defensive line. But yeah, so you know,

628
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a good group, and it's

629
00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: just one of those things where you need to fill

630
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: out what what kind of role you want these guys

631
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: to play in? Um and so um. But yeah, overall,

632
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: I think he I think the D line group is

633
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 1: going to be solid overall. All right, let let's go

634
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 1: to the guys blocking those bigger guys centers. The Giants

635
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: have a need for a center. They kind of have

636
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: three guys that are not true centers kind of competing

637
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: for that spot right now. I think they'd like to

638
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: add somebody if they could. Jordan and most people seem

639
00:27:48,840 --> 00:27:50,639
Speaker 1: to have John Michael Schmidt as the top center on

640
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 1: their board. I know you guys are very high on him.

641
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 1: Then you have Joe Tittman at a Wisconsin anybody else

642
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: in that mixes. They're a huge drop left after those two.

643
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,400
Speaker 1: And just tell me why you guys are so high

644
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: on both of them. Frankly, Yeah, so both of those

645
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: guys I think, you know, in that late first round area,

646
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 1: we have Schmidt's rank went ranked pretty high, but maybe

647
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 1: he kind of slips down a little bit just for uh,

648
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: you know position. You know, he's always in your top Yeah, yeah,

649
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: we have him thirteen, but maybe he drops a little

650
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,080
Speaker 1: bit just based off you know, position value things like that.

651
00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: But you're both both of these guys are just, you know,

652
00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 1: extremely solid player. Schmidt's is somebody that was just somebody

653
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 1: that you can I think you can can plug and

654
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,679
Speaker 1: play in really in any system that you want. UM

655
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 1: and he's just going to be solid from day one.

656
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 1: And then Tipman I liked a lot as well, getting

657
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,000
Speaker 1: in my eyes on him a couple weeks ago. UM,

658
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: and he's just one of these guys that's got good

659
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: body control um and one of these things. But you know,

660
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: I think he's just one of these players that has

661
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: um a really good awareness for for the type of

662
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: play uh, you know that you speak about with like

663
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: Wisconsin offensive linemen and things like that, and so strong hands,

664
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: he's got good flexible ability. UM, he's a fluid mover

665
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 1: as well. And so he was one of these guys

666
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 1: that kind of stood out on film, you know, with

667
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: with a lot of these guys that played that we

668
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: just talked about in the Big Ten playing on the

669
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: inside as well on defense. So uh, and then I

670
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: would say maybe uh in you know day two type

671
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: of range, both Olu Oluwatimi and Luke Wipler Michigan and

672
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: Ohio State centers are are solid players as well, a

673
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: little bit different on the age range. Biplayer is only

674
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 1: a third third year player coming out and Oluwatimi, who

675
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: won the award for basically being the best offensive linement

676
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: in the country this year. Um, he's a six year player.

677
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,080
Speaker 1: Both these guys are going to be solid players. I think,

678
00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: you know, could be uh just one position starters at

679
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: center at the next level. Why don't you think old

680
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: of a team he's talked about as as as a

681
00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: potential you know, same area as John Michael schmidtz Is

682
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: it the age? Is it just the athleticism is not

683
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: quite there because to your point, and if you look

684
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: at your metrics, he's like at the top of everyone

685
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 1: for your center metrics. Yeah, yeah, there's one of those things.

686
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,160
Speaker 1: W uh, you know, popping the tape on with him.

687
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 1: He's just he's really solid. However, the lower body power

688
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: I wasn't necessarily um you know, not not pleased with,

689
00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 1: but it just wasn't all there. He wasn't driving guys

690
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,040
Speaker 1: off the off the ball. Michigan was the type of

691
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: offense that as a whole unit, they were just you know,

692
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: mowing down guys at the line of scrimmage and they're

693
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 1: creating you know, five six seven yard games early in

694
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: the in the game, and then they're busting you know,

695
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty yards late in the game and down the

696
00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,640
Speaker 1: field and so Um, it's not yet, not really the

697
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:32,720
Speaker 1: best athlete didn't have a lot of link for his

698
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,719
Speaker 1: frame as well, but super super strong in his upper body. Um,

699
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: and then you know the awareness and FBI. He's just

700
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: really solid. He's smart, he knows what to do. He

701
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: can wall and seal off the defenders at the point

702
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,960
Speaker 1: of attack as well, and so I kind of like

703
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 1: him in more of a gap steam kind of role

704
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: as an offensive lineman and so um, that way he

705
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 1: can kind of you know, use that. You know, he

706
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: can still pull a little bit as well. He was

707
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: able to do that this year as well. But yeah,

708
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: from a metric stamp point, you know, this is guy

709
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: who's gonna be kind of like a leader of your

710
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: offensive line. He can kind of do it all. Do

711
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: you agree that this tight end class is as strong

712
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: as as I think it is, and frankly the consensus

713
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: thinks it is. And how far can you go like

714
00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 1: all really like tight end eight or nine and you're

715
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: still getting a guy that can develop into an NFL starter. Yeah,

716
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: I kind of think. So, you know, obviously, you know,

717
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: you know, the Michael Mayer's, the Kincaides, Um, they're obviously

718
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: going to kind of top the class. I'm a big

719
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: Darnell Washington fan as well. But then you go, you know,

720
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: Tucker Craft, Luke Musgrave, Um even dipping down into guys

721
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 1: like Luke Schoonmaker and Davis Allen, I think are gonna

722
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: be guys that are gonna play a value role in offense,

723
00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: whether that be as an H or a why some

724
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: guy that you leave in as a true blocker. But

725
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,440
Speaker 1: um with with Alan and Craft and Schoomaker, these guys

726
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: can all um really catch the ball out of the backfield.

727
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: Musgrave is a really good athlete as well. He impressed

728
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: me a lot he when he played Jail Skinner this year.

729
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: That was a really good matchup this year to be

730
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: able to see two different NFL style players in one game,

731
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: and they were matched up a lot with each other.

732
00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: They both ended up winning some battles. Musgrave got him

733
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 1: for a got Skinner for a touchdown. You know he

734
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: was able to separate from him a little bit. So yeah,

735
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: I think you know that Day two, you know, depending

736
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: upon how how Day one shakes out with the tight

737
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: end class, day three, there there should be a pretty

738
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: long run of these guys, or Day two should should

739
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:29,000
Speaker 1: have a long run of these guy guys uh at

740
00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: the tight end position. Yeah, two other guys that are

741
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: supposed to go later. And you watch their tape and

742
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,360
Speaker 1: you know, you always watch these combine numbers and you

743
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 1: go back and you're like, huh, I don't really see it.

744
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: Two guys. You look back and you're like, oh, I

745
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: see it is Koons the tight end of Old Dominion

746
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 1: and then the Penn State tight end broker. Right. You

747
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 1: look back and you see their combine stats and you

748
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: watch them on tape, like, oh yeah, I see that

749
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: on tape, and I think they were just kind of

750
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: hindered by not the best quarterback play with with those

751
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: two programs, I could see those guys being pretty good

752
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: mid round values if you really want to move f

753
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: tight end. Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. Yeah.

754
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: The Pinn State guy Strange, I think it. I think

755
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: it is Um Britain Strange. He was one of these

756
00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: guys that yeah sorry bad, yeah, yeah, really really solid athlete.

757
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: You know, he tests well, um and all those things,

758
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 1: but there was you know, he was on the move

759
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,719
Speaker 1: a lot. He was a reliable pass catcher. Wasn't somebody

760
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: that was necessarily stretching the field with that athleticism as much. Um,

761
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: and he was kind of used as more of a

762
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: off the ball, move him around, like he's kind of said,

763
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: use him in motion, run after catch guy, a big

764
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,479
Speaker 1: getting to him in space. Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, get

765
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: him the ball. He can kind of do some things

766
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 1: as well. And then yeah, Coon's like you said, uh,

767
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: stand out athlete as well. He's got really good size too. Um,

768
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: that's gonna be one of those things. Maybe he's more

769
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: of like a but Mike Gisecki type of tight end.

770
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: I believe Koons is a transfer from Penn State as well.

771
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: That's a Kissecki name as well. So, um, he's kind

772
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: of one of these guys that's going to serve more

773
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: of a role in the passing game then obviously in

774
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: line uh you know, as as a run blocker in

775
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: these types of that type of roles. So but obviously

776
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 1: that has a big role nowadays in the in the NFL.

777
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: Being able to stretch and feel vertically from the kind

778
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: of inside alignment down the scene, you know, you know,

779
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 1: down the you know, cover two defenses and all those

780
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: types of things. I'm gonna make Giant fans way for

781
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: wide receiving because that's what they're most excited about. So

782
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: let's do running backs quick before we get the white

783
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 1: outs here. Jordan, that's what you call tis um deep class.

784
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,680
Speaker 1: I love this running back class. I'm watching these guys

785
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, I like him. I would play him.

786
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: He's a role player a million guys, so a few

787
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,919
Speaker 1: guys that we haven't talked about much on this show

788
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: that I want to get your take on, Um, Tank Bigsby,

789
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: what do you think about him, um, in terms of

790
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:46,800
Speaker 1: his role and how he might fit in an NFL

791
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: running back room. Yeah, so so Tank with somebody uh

792
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 1: last year that really cut my eye. Um, he kind

793
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 1: of made some uh really really crazy you know, uh

794
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: vertical or just just lateral cuts where he would make

795
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,879
Speaker 1: you miss and you're like, you're wondering how the heck

796
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: that he got outside, you know, and you know this

797
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: guy was you know, kind of dead to rights in

798
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: the backfield. But yet he's still ten fifteen yards down

799
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: the field now, and so lateral agility with him really good.

800
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: Initial burst doesn't have that next year that you would

801
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: want um as a running back maybe to to you

802
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: know consistently uh, you know, create explosive plays as a

803
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: runner but um, and then he's got the creativity to

804
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: just like I said, to be able to kind of

805
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: make something out of nothing. Auburn's offensive line this year

806
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 1: uh was sub part, to say the least, I think

807
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: this year and so um, a lot of the times

808
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 1: he's running into uh, you know, some some bad you

809
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 1: know some you know, offensive lines that are kind of

810
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: a yard or two back into the backfield, um, and

811
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: these types of things, and so but he's able to

812
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: kind of create something out of nothing. I think the

813
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: vision with him uh was Okay, there were a couple

814
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,400
Speaker 1: of times where he's missing some holes here and be like, Okay, hey,

815
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: he probably should have gone here, but he's kind of

816
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,480
Speaker 1: trusting that creativity a little bit too much and so

817
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: uh and then he's not really somebody that's gonna make

818
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: a huge impact in the past game as well. And

819
00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 1: so that that's where I kind of see him not

820
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: being able to have that next you know, that true

821
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: three down role at the next level. But as a runner,

822
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: he's really creative. I think, you know, he's gonna be

823
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 1: able to kind of carve out a role at the

824
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: next level. Kij spears smaller guy what struck me is

825
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 1: looking at your guys metrics, he's either one or two

826
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: in terms of tackles broken per rush. I believe for

827
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: a guy that size to have that good And to

828
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: me what struck me watching him was his contact mounce. Right,

829
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: he gets hit and he just just you know, he's

830
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: like one of those weeble wobbles. Yet as a kid, right,

831
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: he just never falls down. To me, I know, he's

832
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: probably never going to be a seventeen carry game guy.

833
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: Who cares if I get the guy thirteen touches a

834
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 1: game in the past game, in the run game, he's

835
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 1: making at least one big play for me and for

836
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: me you know, look at Tony Pollard for Dallas, Right,

837
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: You've a guy like that that's invaluable. Yeah, for sure. Yeah.

838
00:36:56,760 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 1: The elusiveness and the acceleration and the ability just kind

839
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: of create explosive plays is what stands out with him

840
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: as well. And so he's he's kind of like these

841
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 1: a true um, you know, he's gonna make more of

842
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: an impact on third down, but still as a runner, um,

843
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: he can kind of do it all. And so um,

844
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: you know, the size, you know, five ten two a one,

845
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: he might not be one of these guys that's you know,

846
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 1: consistently running in between the tackles, but uh having a

847
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 1: role as that type of scap back that can uh

848
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: you know, be elusive, get away from defenders, just be

849
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: able to kind of take the top off the defense.

850
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,200
Speaker 1: It's something that is extremely valuable and so uh and

851
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 1: even being able to kind of you know, uh you know,

852
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: uh put him outside, you know, be a little bit

853
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: more of a passing game, impact run a couple of

854
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: routes side of the backfield, get get the ball in

855
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: his hands, just to be able to make some defenders

856
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: miss uh and get first downs as well. Percent two

857
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: other guys, Eric Gray, who I really liked in Mobile

858
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl again, I think, you know, big play

859
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: guy he was. I think he was on top of

860
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: your boom rankings in terms of guys that make big

861
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: plays and in your metro. And then um, Deuce Vaughn,

862
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: who's basically Darren Sprowls. I mean that that's basically what

863
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: he is, right. Uh. Talk about those two guys and

864
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: how you think they might fit in their role. Yeah.

865
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: So you know, even Eric Gray is kind of in

866
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 1: that similar Taj Spears type of you know, elusive kind

867
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: of kind of guys that that can kind of make

868
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:21,280
Speaker 1: an impact, you know, creating plays out of the backfield,

869
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: passing game impact kind of guys that can just make plays,

870
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, when something you know, can create something out

871
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:30,400
Speaker 1: of nothing. Not true in between the tackle type of runners,

872
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: but they can just like you said, with the positive

873
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,080
Speaker 1: and the boomeraate just to be able to create something

874
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: out of nothing. And then yeah, deuce Vaughn, I think

875
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: is one of the more just exciting players that you

876
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: can watch. And so, uh yeah, at five five pin

877
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,720
Speaker 1: seventy nine, obviously the size is going to be a concern,

878
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be able to serve a role with

879
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: just his speed, uh you know, his you know, making

880
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 1: miss ability, receiving impact. He's just a playmaker as well.

881
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: And so he's somebody that is just you want to

882
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: be able to kind of get the ball in their hands,

883
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: and he's he's just kind of the guy that you're like, oh,

884
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm glad deuce Van's on my team just because he's

885
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: he's kind of one of these guys where you just

886
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: want to cheer for him just because he's such an

887
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 1: anomaly with the size and everything like that. So he's

888
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 1: definitely somebody that I'm going to really look forward to

889
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: to seeing play at the next level, you know. And

890
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 1: then one guy that kind of didn't jump out at

891
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: the combine, but you know, I don't think it really matters.

892
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,640
Speaker 1: Is zach scharbon At out of UCLA, right, And it's

893
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 1: funny you watch him, You're like, this guy should be

894
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: running in the big Big ten, and then oh he

895
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: transferred out of the Big ten. This makes sense? And

896
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: where does he show up? Because I think he has

897
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 1: a lot of talent and skills or running back that

898
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: doesn't show up in times and jumps and stuff like that.

899
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 1: Where does he kind of pop in in some of

900
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:37,879
Speaker 1: your inside the number stuff when you take a look

901
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: at charbon At, Yeah, I think this is going to

902
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 1: be one of these true kind of in between the

903
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: tackles runners first and second down. Won't have much of

904
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,800
Speaker 1: a third down role, I think too early in his career,

905
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: but really good vision, patience, He runs with a good tempo,

906
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, you like. I like running backs that can

907
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: play on that type of you know, first down role

908
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: where they can kind of uh, you know, wait for

909
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: their holes to open up, then you know, show quick

910
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: birdst to be able to run through the whole is

911
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: it good contact bounce as well with the good size,

912
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: uh and everything like that. And so not one of

913
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,439
Speaker 1: these guys that we just kind of talked about making

914
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: you miss. You know, it's not super elusive all those

915
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: types of things, but usual had a really good and

916
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 1: kind of you know, um, you know, I don't know

917
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 1: what the word is, very diverse run scheme, I think.

918
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: And so you know, Chip Kelly was able to do

919
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,800
Speaker 1: a lot of weird things and get their guys, you know,

920
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: get playmakers their ball with their hands just to kind

921
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: of create plays. And so I like him being able

922
00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: to play in multiple types of schemes. I think he

923
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,800
Speaker 1: could have a very similar rookie year looking at it

924
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: to Tyler Altgeer from Atlanta. Just one of these guys

925
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: that can be just a true natural runner of the football,

926
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: you know, you know, get get you you know, kind

927
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 1: of what ten to fifteen carries a game, He's still

928
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: going to be able to get you sixty seventy yards

929
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: out of it just because he's that good of a runner.

930
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 1: He can extend plays with his physicality and things like

931
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 1: that as well. So h just one of these guys

932
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 1: that is your traditional running back that's going to be

933
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: able to play on those early downs. All right, let's

934
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,879
Speaker 1: jump they receiver. You guys have Jackson's within jig BIZI

935
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 1: number one, I get it. I have it to great

936
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: route runner. Talked about Quentin Johnson because to me, he's

937
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: a weird prospect. The body doesn't almost fit the skill set, right.

938
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: You know, he's on top of your broken tackles per

939
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: reception list. Guys that are skinny and six three generally

940
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,439
Speaker 1: do not appear on top of those lists. You would

941
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 1: think he's a great contested catch down the field guy.

942
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 1: Well guess what. He's not great on contested catches down

943
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: the field. He's not a true route runner. But you

944
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: guys still have him as a top fifteen type receiver.

945
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: So put him in a box for me a little

946
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: bit because he's a guy I think could be there

947
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: for the Giants to twenty five and they need a

948
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 1: bigger outside receiver that has big playability. So what's the

949
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: deal with Quentin Johnson Because he's very unique to me.

950
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,919
Speaker 1: I mean, he's one of these guys where I still

951
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: don't necessarily know if I have a good feel on him,

952
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: Like it's just you watch him play and you can see, okay,

953
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 1: I see the talent, but how well does it translate

954
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: obviously the vertical threat. You know, the speed for him

955
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: is gonna be kind of his go to card and

956
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 1: his ability to after the catch as well, and so

957
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: those two things translate to the to the league. It's

958
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:06,920
Speaker 1: just how good of a route runner is he gonna be?

959
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 1: Can he get in and out of can he run

960
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,919
Speaker 1: a very diverse route tree that you kind of see

961
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 1: from all the top players in the league nowadays that

962
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: they kind of necessarily they have to do. And so

963
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 1: but it's just that speed, the athleticism, it just it

964
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: stands out. It's what you know, it kind of leaps

965
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: him up to the top of the board there where

966
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 1: you just don't necessarily see it all that well all

967
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 1: that much at the at the next level. And so um,

968
00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: it's just gonna be really can he keep developing as

969
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: a true wide receiver where these big twelve offenses, you know,

970
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: they're looking to stretch the field, use every inch of

971
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,480
Speaker 1: the field side to side as well, so they're trying

972
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: to get guys the ball, you know, you know, you know,

973
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 1: at short areas of line screens, you see him run

974
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: a lot of drag screens, get him the ball. Let's

975
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: use that speed, that physicality as a runner to get

976
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: him the ball to try and create plays for us.

977
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 1: And then also let's try and take the top off

978
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,480
Speaker 1: with him as well. But yeah, the contested catches over

979
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 1: the middle of the field. How well is that and

980
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: translate Kenny run a fifteen yard comeback and create separation

981
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: from top corners. I don't know, because he's not asked

982
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: to do that yet. So it's one of those things

983
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:11,320
Speaker 1: where can he do it at the next level. We

984
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: think he has the athleticism to be able to do

985
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: it though. All Right, a couple other metric you mentioned

986
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: route running right. I love your unique routes leaderboard and

987
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:22,920
Speaker 1: that can I think it gives you the number of

988
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: different routes or receivers run, and I think that tells

989
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: you which guys are comfortable in an NFL route tree, right.

990
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: And I love the top five guys that are on

991
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: your list, because if when I watched all these guys,

992
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,759
Speaker 1: these were, if not the top five, at least five

993
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 1: of my top seven or so route runners in the draft.

994
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: Josh Downs, Zay Flowers, Tank Del Jordan Addison, Charlie Jones

995
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: all at the top of your unique routes leader board.

996
00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: How important for a scout is now in the NFL

997
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: to your previous point, knowing these guys that can come

998
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: in run all the routes and needing too and especially

999
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: in the case of all five of these guys, get

1000
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: the separation you need on those routes. Yeah, I think

1001
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: with just the comfortability with offensive coordinators and quarterbacks and

1002
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: you say, okay, can I trust this guy to get

1003
00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: open on this play? You know it's not you know,

1004
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: it's not just the case where you know, hey, run

1005
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: this route, get open. You got to be able to

1006
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: be nuanced with it. Can you take the inside release?

1007
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: Can you take the outside release? How are you separating

1008
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: from him at the top of the route? You know,

1009
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: are you able to get to the spot where you

1010
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: need to at the time that you need to based

1011
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: off protection into the drop back and all those kinds

1012
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: of things. And so just like you kind of said,

1013
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: you know downs dell Um, you know Flowers, all these

1014
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: guys they're able to just get open and they can

1015
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,239
Speaker 1: do it from a variety of different ways. And that

1016
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: was really, you know, really really like nice to see

1017
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:40,359
Speaker 1: with some of these guys where you know obviously these

1018
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 1: guys have you know, quickness and speed and they can

1019
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 1: take the top off. But they're diverse route runners, so

1020
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: that's going to be able to translate immediately to the league.

1021
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: And then you pair that with the athleticism, the quickness,

1022
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: all those types of things. They should be able to

1023
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 1: have a smooth transition at the next level and be

1024
00:44:55,920 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 1: able to get on the field early and make an impact.

1025
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 1: Another I think general metric that's useful in terms of

1026
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: overall effectiveness is your yards per route run metric, which

1027
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 1: I think is is useful. Three guys at the top

1028
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 1: of it two in the previous group two and I'll

1029
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: get to them in a second tank deal and Charlie Jones.

1030
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 1: But Pooka Nakua is somebody that had one practice at

1031
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and was dominant. I think he caught

1032
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,879
Speaker 1: more passes that one practice than any other player called

1033
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,799
Speaker 1: in a single practice during the week. He was fantastic.

1034
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: He's a bigger guy, doesn't have the best top top

1035
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: end speed, but he gets open and he's reliable. So

1036
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: tell me about Nikua and what it is about his

1037
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: game that you guys like, because he has found his

1038
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 1: way up on the top of a couple of your

1039
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: different leaderboards. Yeah, so obviously, you know, the yards after catchability,

1040
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: ability to stretch the field is going to be what

1041
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: stands out. He had a kind of a tough year

1042
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: this year. He battled a lot of injuries. He wasn't

1043
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,480
Speaker 1: being able to stay healthy throughout the whole season. So

1044
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:54,959
Speaker 1: I think that's why he's kind of flew under the radar,

1045
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 1: and then he was able to go to the Senior

1046
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: Bowl and be able to kind of stand out. And

1047
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: so I think just you know, getting a little bit

1048
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: more consistent playing time at the next level and then

1049
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: using his strength is going to be what what kind

1050
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: of you know, pushes him forward to be able to

1051
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,359
Speaker 1: be a consistent starter early. Um, But obviously I think,

1052
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,400
Speaker 1: you know, getting off the press is gonna be his

1053
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: biggest thing. Can he get off pressed. He's got a

1054
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: few drops in his career that you know, you don't

1055
00:46:17,239 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: less they like to see as well. But uh yeah,

1056
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: the speed, deep threat, yards after catch, that's one of

1057
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: those things that's going to translate pretty well. And you

1058
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 1: like to ask six to two hundred that's had a

1059
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: big receiver size, that's gonna be able to win on

1060
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: the outside, you can probably move him into the inside

1061
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: a little bit too here and there to create some

1062
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: matchup you know issues as well. And so I think

1063
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 1: the offense that he was in, you know, they had

1064
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 1: a couple of good receivers, they were they had. Jared

1065
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: Hall is a guy that we like as well. But

1066
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think this year he bought a lot

1067
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:46,800
Speaker 1: of injuries, so that's why you just didn't get to

1068
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: see him. And he'd probably be a little bit more

1069
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: highly thought of if he was able to kind of

1070
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: play for a full season. But I'm excited to see

1071
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: what he kind of does at the next level because

1072
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, like you said, leaderboard wise, he kind of

1073
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 1: stands out and so he's one of these guys kind

1074
00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,600
Speaker 1: of flies under the radar. Two more questions for you.

1075
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: I mentioned Tank Dell and Charlie Jones. I want to

1076
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: give these guys some love too. You know, Dell was

1077
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:10,840
Speaker 1: uncoverable at the Senior Bowl. I know he's tiny. I

1078
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: know it's forty time. At the Combine wasn't as as

1079
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: unbelievable with a lot of people thought it was going

1080
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: to be. You know, you want a guy that's subone seventy.

1081
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 1: To be in the low four four is probably if

1082
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: you're going to be a speed receiver, right, Yeah. And

1083
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: then Charlie Jones, who you know, I watched the tape

1084
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: and I realized that it's Purdue. I get all that,

1085
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 1: but the guy's always open and he catches everything. You know,

1086
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: when do you start thinking about these two guys and

1087
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,759
Speaker 1: you know what makes them special to you? Yeah, so

1088
00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 1: I'll start with Jones. I wrote Jones up for our

1089
00:47:42,200 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: site as well, and so I was excited getting into

1090
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: to kind of see what he was like just because

1091
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: you hear his name this year, he's he kind of

1092
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: It's kind of the the Jeff rom syndrome where if

1093
00:47:53,400 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: you're the best kind of threat, you know, receiving threat,

1094
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: running threat at Purdue, you're gonna get the ball. He's

1095
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: just gonna spand you the entire year. You can see

1096
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: it with Wandell Moore and some of the running backs

1097
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 1: that they've had over the last couple of years. And

1098
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,440
Speaker 1: so Charlie Jones was that guy. He comes over from

1099
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 1: Iowa who couldn't use him at all as somehow and

1100
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: yet this guy has his best season, uh you know,

1101
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,880
Speaker 1: of his career. UM and so he had to transfer twice.

1102
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: But really good route runner, like you said, kind of

1103
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:20,319
Speaker 1: he wastes no movements as a route runner, you see.

1104
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: You know, you see guys that kind of do a

1105
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: lot of the extra stuff maybe that might take Dell

1106
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: might do or somebody that you know is trying to

1107
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: break with you know, break dbs off at the top

1108
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 1: of the route. But he's just one of these guys

1109
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,080
Speaker 1: that plans is wo in their ground gets open, you know.

1110
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,920
Speaker 1: It's just it's very reliable in that aspect. And so

1111
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: the big thing for me was with Jones, why I

1112
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: have him as a five nine, which is more of

1113
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: a backup role that might be, you know, maybe a

1114
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: team's third or fourth receiver. Was when he went against

1115
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: Producer or Maryland this season, he really just he had

1116
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,520
Speaker 1: a bad game. And I don't know if it was

1117
00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: just the corners that he couldn't get all pressed with,

1118
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:54,759
Speaker 1: he just couldn't seem to get open. And so that

1119
00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 1: that was really eye opening for me. Uh. And so

1120
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: that was one of these things where I just he

1121
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 1: you see him have ten eleven twelve catch games for

1122
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,880
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty yards against Neil. Uh. You know,

1123
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 1: some teams. Like, you know, he had a really big

1124
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: game against Penn State, but then the Maryland game, he

1125
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:13,719
Speaker 1: was just he struggled getting off press. Uh, you know,

1126
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: he struggled with these guys that had a lot of

1127
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: speed to kind of go with them. And so he's

1128
00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: not one of these guys that separates all that well

1129
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: as well outside of being a route runner. Um and

1130
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: so um, but I think he's he's just he's got

1131
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: enough as a kind of yards after catch kind of guy.

1132
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: He's just smooth and kind of everything he does, he's

1133
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: he's got good hands as well, and I think he

1134
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 1: can kind of get on the field as a returner.

1135
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:38,240
Speaker 1: He has some experiences that as well, being in Iowa

1136
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: and even at Purdue. So Um, I could see Jones

1137
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: going a little bit earlier, possibly just because of kind

1138
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: of some of his playmaking ability and his ability just

1139
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: to be a solid route runner. And then with Dell,

1140
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,960
Speaker 1: Dell is awesome to kind of just you know, speaking

1141
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:57,759
Speaker 1: on the same aspect how we talked with deu Swan,

1142
00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:58,920
Speaker 1: He's one of these guys that you kind of won

1143
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: your team just because he's exciting and you want to

1144
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: kind of root for that kind of guy. He's able

1145
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: to kind of break defenders off in coverage. He's always open,

1146
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,440
Speaker 1: he's super explosive, taking the top off the defense, and

1147
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 1: then he can make you miss and all those kinds

1148
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 1: of things as well. It's just he's gonna have a

1149
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: limited role in what he does, you know, maybe similar

1150
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 1: to what ron Dell Robinson does for the Giants and

1151
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: those types of things with the size and the speed

1152
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,560
Speaker 1: and everything. But he's going to be able to have

1153
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,720
Speaker 1: a role at the next level, just kind of depends

1154
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:27,920
Speaker 1: how he capitalizes on it. I just made my note,

1155
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:29,879
Speaker 1: I gotta go watch Purdue in Maryland. Now. I will

1156
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: make sure idea that later this week not one hundred

1157
00:50:31,719 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: percent and two of the better corners in the drafts

1158
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: one hundred percentum. One of the guy I want to

1159
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:38,759
Speaker 1: give love to his at Perry and I just think

1160
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,080
Speaker 1: he's a good receiver. I think his ball tracking is excellent.

1161
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,520
Speaker 1: I think for a guy his size, he actually is

1162
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: fairly sudden. Usually I don't like the bigger receivers. I'm

1163
00:50:46,440 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: not generally attracted to that type of receiver, but I

1164
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 1: thought he looked pretty good. And now you guys have

1165
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 1: him as kind of a back end second round type

1166
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: of pick. Right, Yeah, I got him at the sixth four,

1167
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 1: which is you know, the third receiver, but he's probably

1168
00:50:57,560 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 1: gonna play on the outside more, whereas third receivers are

1169
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,560
Speaker 1: just slot only players. But yeah, the link, you know,

1170
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: he's athletic. Um, he's got good hands as well. He's

1171
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 1: just one of these guys. Where with Wake Forest, it's

1172
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 1: a little hard to watch some of their film just

1173
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: because of the offense that they run good quarterback at least, right. Yeah,

1174
00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: I kind of make fun with some of our some

1175
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,320
Speaker 1: of my co workers here that their favorite play is

1176
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,840
Speaker 1: just getting off a defensive past interference because it seems

1177
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: like they I think they led the country in it.

1178
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: And so there's just the long, slow mesh and then

1179
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 1: they just you know, kind of you know, chuck the

1180
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: ball up and they're like, hey, let's just try and

1181
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,439
Speaker 1: move the ball down the field. But uh, at Perry

1182
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 1: was still able to be super productive in that system.

1183
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,360
Speaker 1: Uh and everything like that. He's not really going to

1184
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: separate all that well, but he can still you can

1185
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: kind of position his body well to be able to

1186
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 1: make contested catches. He's got strong hands as well, and

1187
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:51,200
Speaker 1: he's got a little bit of speed as well that

1188
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily see it that six four, but he

1189
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: can kind of separate a little bit as well. How seriously,

1190
00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: this final question, do you take target air, you know,

1191
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: knowing that if you have a guy where you know

1192
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: he's a number one weapon, whether it's Charlie Jones, right,

1193
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: Tank Dells in that category, Zavier Hutchinson and Iowa State

1194
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 1: for example, another guy where the other team knows that's

1195
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: the guy we're going to, yet they're still able to

1196
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: be productive. Is that something that as someone that scouts

1197
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: is important to you. Yeah, I think I think it's

1198
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 1: a little relative where you're just trying to figure out, Okay,

1199
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: are they just getting him the ball or is he

1200
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: always open? And it's just one of these things where

1201
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: where with Jones you can kind of see, okay, this guy,

1202
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:36,719
Speaker 1: this guy does get open, but you can see the

1203
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: quarterback has just coming to him every single play because

1204
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 1: because he can rely on them to make a play.

1205
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 1: And so I think that was the same thing like

1206
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,839
Speaker 1: with downs at you and see they had a couple

1207
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 1: other receivers, but it was just it was really him

1208
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: and Antoine Green, and sometimes Green was in and out

1209
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: of lineup with some injuries. So Downs was like, Okay,

1210
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: we gotta get him the ball because he's our best

1211
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: playmaker and so and same thing with Tank Dell. Obviously

1212
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: he's going to stand out amongst a lot of other

1213
00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: players at the American uh you know conference level. And so,

1214
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: but then you see it with like with Jalen Hyatt

1215
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: where you have in with with Cedric Tillman, and you know,

1216
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: Tennessee is doing everything they can to get this guy

1217
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 1: the ball. It scenes because he can take the top

1218
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: off the defense. So it's just about how they do it.

1219
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:18,400
Speaker 1: Are they getting open by themselves? Are they they are

1220
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: they making tough catches with you know, through you know,

1221
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: contact and and what else does the team have? And

1222
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:26,840
Speaker 1: are they just relying on them because they're solid playmakers

1223
00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: and so it really just kind of comes down to, Okay, uh,

1224
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, are we are are we trying to to

1225
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,359
Speaker 1: you know, knock them for always just getting the ball

1226
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: because they're in college and they're the best player on

1227
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,680
Speaker 1: the team, or are they doing things that are making

1228
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: it uh you know, you know successful for them to

1229
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:46,719
Speaker 1: get the ball. You know, hey, we can rely on

1230
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: this player at the next level. I was throwed by

1231
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: the way you mentioned Josh Downs that him and a

1232
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: Flowers are right next to each other on your board.

1233
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: I've been getting mad at people all year. Oh it's

1234
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 1: eight flowers first round pick. I'm like, I've watched the tape.

1235
00:53:57,760 --> 00:54:01,000
Speaker 1: Jordan Jordan, Josh Downs, and Zay Flowers are not much

1236
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: different to me. I don't know why everyone has them

1237
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: separate so much, because to me, I don't I don't

1238
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: see much separation there. Yeah, I love Zay Flowers too.

1239
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:12,800
Speaker 1: I wrote up Downs for our site, and so it

1240
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: Nathan Cooper, who who does a lot of the stuff

1241
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,800
Speaker 1: here as well. We've joked there's been a couple of

1242
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: players this year where we could just take the names

1243
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: off and take the pictures off and where they went

1244
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:25,399
Speaker 1: to school, and you can just put their reports side

1245
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: by side and be able to say, Okay, both of

1246
00:54:27,360 --> 00:54:29,920
Speaker 1: these guys are very very similar. It was like, was

1247
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,400
Speaker 1: Zach Harrison out of Ohio State and Ali Gay the

1248
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 1: edge rushers at LSU. Zay Flowers and Josh Downs were

1249
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: very similar as well. And so it's kind of cool

1250
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: to see and there's gonna be a couple teams that

1251
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: are gonna walk away and feeling good. You know when

1252
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: Zay Flowers goes off the board and okay, we can

1253
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: get downs next, and so I think that's pretty cool

1254
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: to see. But yeah, both those guys I think are

1255
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: going to be dynamic players at the next level. I

1256
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:53,279
Speaker 1: Jordan tell the folks is what they need to know

1257
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: about sports information Solutions. Yeah, so you know, we're excited.

1258
00:54:57,000 --> 00:55:01,400
Speaker 1: We're rolled out you know the site last week NFL

1259
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: Draft dot sports and fossolutions dot Com where you can

1260
00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: you know, see the big board that we have. You

1261
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:09,839
Speaker 1: can also look at our players, our team pages as

1262
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,239
Speaker 1: well for all thirty two teams to the league. Look

1263
00:55:12,280 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: at our son our depth where you can see where

1264
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:17,359
Speaker 1: we feel like, you know, based on our our kind

1265
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 1: of company metric, you know, total points. You can see

1266
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 1: where you might have you know, team needs at you know,

1267
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: you can look at you know, the Panthers, you know,

1268
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 1: just because they have the first pick, and you can see, uh,

1269
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: you know that, um, you know, they might need an

1270
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: edge rusher, they might need another receiver after losing DJM

1271
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 1: more and so they might need another tight end threat.

1272
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: But you can see that they have a good offensive

1273
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:38,880
Speaker 1: line and they've got good players on the defense everywhere

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Speaker 1: else and so It's just one of these things where

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Speaker 1: it's a good tool to be able to see, Okay,

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Speaker 1: hey this is where you know, are the team that

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Speaker 1: I love, you know, needs to you know, improve on,

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Speaker 1: and then be able to look at all of our

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Speaker 1: metrics and leader boards to be able to see, hey,

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Speaker 1: you know, even though these guys you might not be

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Speaker 1: ranked high on big boards, you know, in mock drafts,

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Speaker 1: you can see still see what their true value is

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Speaker 1: prospects you know that we've been looking at today, you know,

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Speaker 1: with like yards per route run for receivers and all

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Speaker 1: those types of things. And so yeah, it's a really

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Speaker 1: good tool to be able to use and kind of

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Speaker 1: inform yourself on, you know, and learn more about football

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Speaker 1: just from an analytics standpoint, but then also a scouting perspective,

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Speaker 1: which is what we try and marry here. Sis. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's it's marrying the analytics and the scouting. I think

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Speaker 1: you use that do a great job of it. And

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Speaker 1: folks seriously, like it's really easy to navigate the website.

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Speaker 1: You go from the player to the big board to

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Speaker 1: the player. You can go see the individual statistical leaderboards

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Speaker 1: with their advanced metrics. You can do NFL team needs.

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Speaker 1: Everything's on there, just one click away. Go check it

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Speaker 1: out again NFL Draft out, Sports Infosolutions dot com. Jordan,

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Speaker 1: I know this was a last minute thing. I appreciate

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Speaker 1: you taking the time. It was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Hope you had fun too and enjoy the rest of

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Speaker 1: the process and we'll talk to again real soon. All right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: thank you, John, I appreciate it. Jordan Edwards, senior scouting

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