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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, and welcome to the Drive on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers Audio Network. Question Uler Matt Williamson with you

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Speaker 2: here for the next two hours on a Wednesday, as

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Speaker 2: we have got plenty to get to. We will go

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Speaker 2: around campus like we always do. We'll have a little

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Speaker 2: Best of the West. We'll start to talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit about these Cincinnati Bengals. But Matt, we do have

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Speaker 2: some I think some pertinent news here to get us

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Speaker 2: started today. Yeah, and that is that the Steelers have

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Speaker 2: made some roster moves, one with a familiar name, one

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Speaker 2: with a new name. And let's start with the new

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Speaker 2: name here. The Steelers have added a familiar name, but

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Speaker 2: a new name, cornerback Assante Samuel Junior to the practice squad. Okay,

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Speaker 2: all right now. He was, of course, originally drafted by

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Speaker 2: the LA Chargers second round of the twenty twenty one

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Speaker 2: NFL drafts. Of the NFL draft, part of me appeared

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Speaker 2: in just four games last year after injuries. Had to

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Speaker 2: have that spinal fusion surgery, which ironically enough, he actually

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Speaker 2: had here in Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: Might not be ironic. Maybe that's why he's here now,

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Speaker 3: all right, area.

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Speaker 2: I think certainly, Matt, he is a guy that has

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Speaker 2: had pedigree and has had success in this league. Six

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Speaker 2: interceptions in his four seasons, thirty seven passes, defense, has

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Speaker 2: started in forty seven NFL games, ninety six tackles. Like

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Speaker 2: I mentioned, the four interceptions, three TFLs, a forced fumble

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Speaker 2: of course, son of all Pro cornerback of Sante Samuel Matt.

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Speaker 2: This was something that had been discussed, I think lightly

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Speaker 2: for a couple of weeks, Like people knew that he

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Speaker 2: was working his way back and try to get back

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Speaker 2: before some of this injury stuff. He was a big

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Speaker 2: name free agent, right and now finally the Steelers get

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Speaker 2: it done. He gets it done, his medical status, all

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Speaker 2: those things aligning, and a Sante Samuel Junior now on

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Speaker 2: the Steelers practice squad.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you kind of mentioned it, like right before

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Speaker 3: free agency hit this summer, you know you'll find top

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Speaker 3: fifty free agents on the market. He's on all those lists.

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Speaker 3: So he's been unemployed since then. Obviously for this reason.

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Speaker 3: He only appeared in four games last year, as you mentioned,

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Speaker 3: but before that he played over a thousand snaps every

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Speaker 3: other year. I mean, he was like in eleven hundred.

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Speaker 3: He's full time player. You know, this is not a

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Speaker 3: recurring thing, but it's scary. I mean, I hate talking

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Speaker 3: about medical stuff because I know I don't know that,

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Speaker 3: but we are not doctors. Disc and neck fusion or

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Speaker 3: whatever doesn't sound great.

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Speaker 2: It's not like I have a hamstring tag, right, I

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Speaker 2: know it's better. You broke a finger, right, right? Pretty

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Speaker 2: significant stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a major surgery, and you know, but the

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Speaker 3: doctors obviously cleared him. These doctors know more about it

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Speaker 3: than any other team in the league. I can't imagine

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Speaker 3: it's a coincidence that he ended up here because he

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Speaker 3: toured like five or six teams before signing with the Steelers,

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Speaker 3: and from what I understand is actually one of the

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Speaker 3: Steelers team doctors, like it's a Steeler employee did the

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Speaker 3: surgery in Pitsburg or read that last night. Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 3: I can't quote that as one hundred cent true, but

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Speaker 3: I think so, so what are they getting as a player.

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Speaker 3: All you can comment on is what he was pre injury,

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean he's smaller, He's like one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty pounds maybe one eighty five five tennish something

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Speaker 3: like that. You know. So he's not Joey Porter or

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Speaker 3: but he's been really productive. A knock on him is

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Speaker 3: he's not the most physical guy, especially with tackling. He's smaller,

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Speaker 3: he's not a he's not Jalen Ramsey as a tackler,

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Speaker 3: as a corner.

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Speaker 2: And Joe Hayden cut from that corner.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a decent way of looking at it. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: much more of a zone corner than man. But he's

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Speaker 3: really good at it, you know, Like I said, the

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Speaker 3: negatives first, there's the back neck injury stuff. There's you know,

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Speaker 3: has phenomenal coverage abilities. He's very fluid, he flips his

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Speaker 3: very well. And it also implies to me, well two things.

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Speaker 3: I mean, in a way, I think they're fortunate to

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Speaker 3: there for free. Totally. If they were traded for an

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Speaker 3: equal player, to trade deadline for a fourth round pick,

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Speaker 3: I've been like, I get it.

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Speaker 2: You know right, you know, and he's not thirty one

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Speaker 3: Twenty five, and maybe he's even in the long term plans.

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Speaker 3: I assume it's a one year deal, but I haven't

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Speaker 3: I was a little worried about corner depth. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I really don't want Ramsey to have to we talked

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Speaker 3: about yesterday. With thorn Hill being gone. It just seemed

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Speaker 3: like that's you're only free now. There wasn't another shoot.

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Speaker 2: Another corner and you have to move Ramsey back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't want that. I think they're happy with

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Speaker 3: him as free and that this helps, you know, keep

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Speaker 3: that at Bay. You know, your your free safety until

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Speaker 3: further notice or maybe for the rest of your life.

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Speaker 3: And that's great. So who knows. I'm excited to talk

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Speaker 3: to Chris later, you know, when what they think the

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Speaker 3: plan is with him, when he may see the field

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Speaker 3: all those good things. But I'll take a chance on

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Speaker 3: that freebee in middle of November all day long. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's a home run. Absolutely. If they were signed him

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Speaker 3: in June, I'll be like totally get you know, all right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, one hundred percent At this point, that's about

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Speaker 2: as exciting as you can get. Yeah, within the scope

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Speaker 3: Timeline, right the trade deadline's gone. It's not the same

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Speaker 3: as trading for Jaylen Watt or Crystal Lave, you know, right.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, like you.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned, if the Steelers would have traded a fourth round

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Speaker 2: corner at the deadline, we all gone, We've all gone cool.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right right, they need it, right, yeah, And so

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Speaker 3: it wouldn't shock me if he is a starter here

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Speaker 2: I was going to say, the timeline is probably you

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Speaker 2: want to give him a week to get up to

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Speaker 2: speed and practice. And because it's again, it's not that

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Speaker 2: you're stealing him from somebody else's practice squad, and he's

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Speaker 2: all that stuff. He's kind of coming in fresh, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Just I would think, yeah, we could be.

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Speaker 2: Wrong, but you know, you know, if you go with Echos,

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Speaker 3: And Pierre played Well, we've talked about that.

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Speaker 2: I think he's earned that opportunity.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, I think you're more comfortable with him than

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Speaker 3: you were in the past. And again, I hate playing doctor,

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Speaker 3: but I would think, I mean, he hasn't put pads

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Speaker 3: can he at least hit a sled and go do

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Speaker 3: all the practice stuff of the week as vigorously as

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Speaker 3: you can't replicate game? Sure, you know, but I would

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Speaker 3: want him to do some kind of contact before again

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Speaker 3: I'm a doctor, before you throw him out there and

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Speaker 3: play sixty snaps where you gotta tackle Derrick Henry, right,

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Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, we were on the same page.

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Speaker 3: There from a surgeon. I'm like, do something before you

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Speaker 2: Totally totally do something before you are in a live

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Speaker 2: pretty substantial name, pretty big name, particularly to be available

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as a freebie, and.

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Speaker 2: I think there's rightfully some excitement about that. It is

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Speaker 2: a low risk, high reward maneuver for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and they weren't alone. I mean, I think that

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Speaker 3: gives you more confidence that there were many gonna say several,

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Speaker 3: but he visited four or five. Now every one of

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Speaker 3: them might have been like, oh, medical reject, medical reject, I.

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Speaker 2: Don't know sure, or you're gonna be buried on the

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Speaker 2: practice squad for a couple of weeks. Yeah, whereas the

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Speaker 3: Got opportunity and we need you. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it could be a combination of both of

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Speaker 2: those things. But certainly an exciting piece of news. I

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Speaker 2: definitely be something to keep an eye on. And like

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Speaker 2: you mentioned, we'll talk about this more with our buddy

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask Chris this question, but it has crossed

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Speaker 3: my mind in the last twenty four hours too. We

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Speaker 3: know that the team wanted to play more press mayn

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Speaker 3: now that was the goalback that We're gonna blitz a lot.

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Speaker 3: I was all for it. I loved that vision, you know.

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Speaker 3: And there's something I suggested even in the off season.

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Speaker 3: But now it might be Porter's early are only man coverage, dude,

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Speaker 3: We're gonna probably play a lot of zones. That doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean we won't blitz or will blitz or whatever, but

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Speaker 3: maybe we are going to see a heavier zone going forward,

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Speaker 3: which is fine. Fine, yea, It's not like man's better

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Speaker 3: than zone yeah right.

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Speaker 2: Red paint painted bart and red.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, like okay, and I I think,

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Speaker 3: I don't have I know, I don't have the man

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Speaker 3: that I.

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Speaker 2: May not many people do no right, right, but but

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Speaker 2: but the Steelers certainly do not as well. We just

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Speaker 2: saw that a couple of weeks ago. And yeah, who

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Speaker 2: knows if he's going to be involved this weekend against uh,

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Speaker 2: Chase and Higgins.

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Speaker 3: I'm guessing no.

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Speaker 2: But I'm guessing no too. But I would also say,

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Speaker 2: crazier things have happened. Yeah. Yeah, we'll continue to watch

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Speaker 2: this space. We'll ask Chris Hallick about that in the

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Speaker 2: next hour of the show.

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Speaker 3: Well, obviously rolled out, I mean, he's not been rolled

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Speaker 2: We're just but there's a good chance as well too.

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Speaker 2: As you mentioned yesterday and now, concussion protocol is usually

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Speaker 2: more of a two week proposition in this league than

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Speaker 2: than ever before, and so plenty to keep an eye on.

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Speaker 3: And you don't even have to put him on the

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Speaker 3: ACT roster, you can, you can put him up off

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Speaker 3: the practice squad for a while in the meantime, right, exactly, right,

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Speaker 3: So like they did with Sermon and those guys, you know.

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Speaker 2: I like it. It's something to maybe put a little

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Speaker 2: bit of pep in your step here midweek in November. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: certainly something will be keeping an eye on. Talk to

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Speaker 3: I got a quick question for you, yea, So one

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Speaker 2: Radio before we jump into this highly anticipated Best of

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Speaker 2: the West here, Matt, First of all, I better pull

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Speaker 3: Just this. There's a lot more than I'm thinking, though,

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Speaker 2: I think this would be easy. In fact, Matt, I

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Speaker 3: Like a big name. I was like, the probably won't

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I like to. We always like to count down

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Speaker 2: three Super Bowl rings.

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00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he was a demon demon.

437
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:19,600
Speaker 2: I think I've told you this before. But I worked

438
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 2: with him in Philadelphia, so he was part of the

439
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,600
Speaker 2: Eagles radio network when I was there for three years.

440
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:26,680
Speaker 2: So he was on our pregame and our post game

441
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,520
Speaker 2: show for the Eagles broadcast. So I got to know

442
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,480
Speaker 2: him decently well in those years. He used to always

443
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 2: tell me the story about when he was at Temple.

444
00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:35,480
Speaker 2: In two thousand and three, they came to Morgantown and

445
00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,439
Speaker 2: one at Mountaineer Field Rich Rodriguez his first year as

446
00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:40,600
Speaker 2: WV head coach, in his first ten uere.

447
00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 3: I assume Temple was a dog they were, and.

448
00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:45,200
Speaker 2: They beat us like seventeen to three in a really low,

449
00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,440
Speaker 2: ugly scoring game. I was there, you know, like twelve

450
00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:49,560
Speaker 2: years old or whatever, so he used to like and

451
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:51,760
Speaker 2: he was. He had like six sacks in that game.

452
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 2: Was an absolute menace.

453
00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:56,359
Speaker 3: It was like that every time he played him era right.

454
00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:00,280
Speaker 2: And I would always laugh anytime quarterback play would come

455
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 2: up and would get debated on the stations, he would

456
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,600
Speaker 2: be like, Oh, I'm just the guy who spent seven

457
00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:06,560
Speaker 2: years playing with Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. What do

458
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,120
Speaker 2: I know? He won two Super Bowls with the Patriots

459
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 2: and then one with the Colts. Like that was his

460
00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:17,360
Speaker 2: NFL career. Pretty bad, pretty stinking good. I had Rob

461
00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:19,200
Speaker 2: Ryan with Rex and Buddy as well too.

462
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a huge one.

463
00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 2: More coaching rankings. George and Jamal Adams both Pro bowlers,

464
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: both really good careers.

465
00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,320
Speaker 3: Dad, and a lot of the humph Yeah, okay.

466
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:32,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oliver Luck and Andrew Luck.

467
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 3: Worth bringing up. I mean that Sons carries a lot

468
00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 3: more weight than d but absolutely all. He was a

469
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 3: good He was Warren Moon's backup. I mean he was

470
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 3: a good backup. Yeah.

471
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:47,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Bobby Humphrey four years with the Broncos.

472
00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:48,880
Speaker 3: He was a pro bowler, right, yeah.

473
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety. Yeah, So that, Matt is just the

474
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 2: honorable mentions that I had to bump out of the

475
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:56,240
Speaker 2: top ten to kind of give you an idea of

476
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 2: how good this is.

477
00:21:57,080 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 3: Now. I'm not giving you a hard time, but I'm

478
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 3: going to create your list every week.

479
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: This is that's the fun of it.

480
00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have a hard time not having the Shannahans

481
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 3: and the coaching trees in the top ten.

482
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 2: So that was kind of another like, but how much

483
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,119
Speaker 2: you wait that? How much do you wait that? Right?

484
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,800
Speaker 3: Because of course the Shanahans I would even went down

485
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,440
Speaker 3: that road. I mean, you're just opening up a can

486
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 3: of worms and more angles for people to come out.

487
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 2: I like to make people think, you know, this is

488
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 2: my this is my professor Yuler moment. You know you

489
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 2: can just sit here and make the people think number

490
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:28,879
Speaker 2: ten on my list. Massi and Lofa Totupu.

491
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, they would have been an honorable mention for me.

492
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: It would have been an honorable mention for you.

493
00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:36,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

494
00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, you ain't got love for the Tatupu's dad played

495
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 2: fourteen years in the NFL. Was a Pro Bowler.

496
00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,360
Speaker 3: It was an awesome special teamer.

497
00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 2: Rushed for eighteen touchdowns in his career, three Pro Bowls

498
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: for lofa over five hundred and fifty tackles, eight and

499
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 2: a half sacks, ten interceptions. Both Dad and Son Pro bowlers.

500
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: That and get it, that ain't enough to get the

501
00:22:58,520 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 2: Williamson going.

502
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 3: Not Concer, especially the names you just gave me before that.

503
00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 2: Okay, fine, Gene and Geno Atkins.

504
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:10,040
Speaker 3: Oh that's Gino's dad, Yes it is Huh. Gino is great.

505
00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 3: Was great. Yes, one of the best Bengals of all.

506
00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,680
Speaker 2: Time, one of the one of the best Bengals of

507
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,440
Speaker 2: all time. Eight time Pro Bowl or, two time All Pro.

508
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: And Dad had twenty five interceptions in nearly five hundred tackles,

509
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,639
Speaker 2: spending a decade with the Saints and the Dolphins.

510
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, a long, strong career for.

511
00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:30,400
Speaker 2: Dad, Steve and Cam Jordan.

512
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 3: Oh good one.

513
00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:36,199
Speaker 2: Steve Jordan nearly five hundred receptions over sixty three hundred

514
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 2: receiving yards, twenty eight touchdowns, and a thirteen year career

515
00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 2: with the Minnesota Vikings, six Pro Bowls and a member

516
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: of the Vikings Ring of Honor.

517
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,880
Speaker 3: Wow. Of course it was like the Cam.

518
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:48,320
Speaker 2: Jordan one hundred and fifteen and a half sacks and

519
00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:49,160
Speaker 2: eight Pro Bowls.

520
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 3: Pretty good.

521
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 2: That's a pretty good one.

522
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: Huh Yeah. Yeah.

523
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,000
Speaker 2: That was one of the ones that surprised me that

524
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 2: I didn't think of Steve. I never but right away

525
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: was like, oh.

526
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, like no one's playing fantasy back then, But Steve

527
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 3: Jordan when I was like ten or twelve, was like, oh,

528
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: Like I would collect football cards and I would put

529
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 3: like all the tight ends together, and I'd always have

530
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: the best one in front, and you know, that's my dad.

531
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 3: Who's better. He's like, I am not playing who's better anymore,

532
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,080
Speaker 3: you know, but he was always like the fourth best

533
00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:16,200
Speaker 3: tight end in the league, you know, at that at

534
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:17,480
Speaker 3: that stage, you know, right, it's.

535
00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: A pretty good That's a pretty good one. That's one

536
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:20,720
Speaker 2: that I'd had not had in my in my head

537
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 2: that I was like, you know what dad and Dad

538
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: and I mean between the pair of them, they've got

539
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 2: like a dozen Pro Bowl selections, yeah, and over one

540
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 2: hundred sacks and six thousand receiving yards and sons.

541
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,199
Speaker 3: Kind of like Geno Atkins, like he won't go the

542
00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,560
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, but he'll be an all time, great saint,

543
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: all time great Bengal right right.

544
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 2: Right, Casey Hampton, Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly, hines Ward type

545
00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 2: like Cam.

546
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: I would put a little ahead of those guys, yes,

547
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,360
Speaker 3: but in the you know these d linemen of this hero.

548
00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: And along that vein just one spot ahead of them,

549
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,359
Speaker 2: Craig Ironhead Hayward and Cam Hayward check in at number seven.

550
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 2: Dad was good, oh, buddy, eleven years in the NFL

551
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 2: over forty three hundred rushing yards, made it to a

552
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl, and then his son on his multi first

553
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: team All Pro and has a chance to go to

554
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: campon one day.

555
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 3: I saw Dad when I was real young at why

556
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,719
Speaker 3: can't it's the famous fry place in Oakland.

557
00:25:14,480 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: Oh the oh yeah, there's no longer standing.

558
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 3: No longer standing. And he was sitting at a booth

559
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 3: with this many fries in front of him, this many

560
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:27,439
Speaker 3: and his butt was as big as the screen. It

561
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 3: felt like to me, it's like a ten year old.

562
00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 3: I was like, can you imagine tackling that dude?

563
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 2: This is the biggest man I think I've ever seen. Yes,

564
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 2: all right, now it gets hard because I mean there's

565
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: some study. These last ones have been like nine eight

566
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 2: and seven are really these are father and son were

567
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 2: both Pro bowlers And.

568
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,360
Speaker 3: Now we're talking like Hall of famers, probably.

569
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,240
Speaker 2: Clay Matthews Junior and Clay Matthews.

570
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 3: The Matthews families awesome, Yes, yes they are. I wish

571
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 3: I should know better who belongs to Bruce and who

572
00:25:58,280 --> 00:25:59,360
Speaker 3: belongs to Clay.

573
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: Jake belongs to Bruce Okay, right, like the Falcons offensive lineman,

574
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 2: was that Jake.

575
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:08,119
Speaker 3: Matthews, that's the left tackle?

576
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:11,119
Speaker 2: Now, yes, belongs to Bruce Okay, and then Clay belongs

577
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 2: to Clay.

578
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 3: So the linebacker belongs to the linebacker. Then that's probably

579
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 3: makes the most sense. And it would have been my

580
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 3: guest if I was connecting the Dodds.

581
00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 2: But father Clay matt over fifteen hundreds.

582
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 3: Both groups have a case.

583
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 2: Yes, and I meant to. Actually, the other Matthews were

584
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 2: on my honorable Mentions list.

585
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,639
Speaker 3: I didn't read through the Hall of Famer And Jake's

586
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 3: had a really good career and the Matthews never miss

587
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 3: a game.

588
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: Clay one of the best linebackers in NFL history, nineteen seasons.

589
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,439
Speaker 3: He's been a Hall of Fame almost guy for a

590
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: million years.

591
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and we're talking about the older one here,

592
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 2: not long hair, Clay Matthews of the Packers over fifteen

593
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:53,080
Speaker 2: hundred tackles, nineteen seasons, three time first Team All Pro,

594
00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: also a bunch of Pro Bowls. And then of course

595
00:26:56,000 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 2: Clay the third who we know, all Pro, eleven years

596
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: in the NFL, over five hundred tackles, six time Pro bowler,

597
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 2: of course unfortunately won that Super Bowl forty five against

598
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,439
Speaker 2: the Steelers. And then I mean, if you want to

599
00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 2: throw Casey in there as well too, he played four

600
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: years in the NFL for Philadelphia as linebacker as well too,

601
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 2: But I was more so like, sure, no disrespect to Connor,

602
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: but I'm going with Cams is the father son, right, right, right?

603
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 2: But man, those guys are really good, and they check

604
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: in at number six for me.

605
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 3: Matthews family in general, pretty strong.

606
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: Pretty good jeans. There one that really surprised me. But

607
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 2: when you look at the accomplishments on paper, I had

608
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 2: to put him at number five. Mark Senior and Mark.

609
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 3: Ingram huh, Okay Senior is a good player.

610
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 2: Senior was, I mean he ten NFL seasons, Super Bowl champion,

611
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: twenty six touchdown catches. And then you know his son,

612
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 2: Heisman Trophy winner, College Football National champions champion, rushed for

613
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 2: more than eight thousand yards in the NFL, sixty five touchdowns,

614
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: three time Pro Bowler, both side never come of production.

615
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they were.

616
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 2: A hard one to kind of to kind of pin down.

617
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 3: The world slought them.

618
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 2: But yeah, but these top four are really good. So

619
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: I had them slotted at number five. I could easily

620
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: be argued to have a couple of those people we

621
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:23,280
Speaker 2: just mentioned ahead of them.

622
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd have a couple ahead of the Ingram.

623
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 2: I might have a couple ahead of them now that

624
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 2: I'm thinking out loud, but I've got them at number five,

625
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 2: number four. This one outstanding, Howie Long with Chris. You

626
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: can loop in both christ and Kyle here.

627
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 3: And I would I think you get extra credit for

628
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 3: I think you're right. Definitely right.

629
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 2: Was awesome, Howie legendary, three time All Pro Super Bowl Champion,

630
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 2: Pro Football Hall of Fame, thirteen years with the Raiders,

631
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: Chris eleven years in the NFL Super Bowl champion in

632
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 2: back to back seasons with New England and Philadelphia. Kyle

633
00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: three straight Pro Bowls with the Bears. That's yeah, that's

634
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 2: pretty pretty good.

635
00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 3: I mean, how he was I'm sure a first ballot

636
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer.

637
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I think would have to be. You would have

638
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: to be number three. Ed and Christian McCaffrey.

639
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: Do you want to talk.

640
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 2: About an offensive dynamic duo? Sure, Ed McCaffrey. For those

641
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 2: who might be too young, if you're about my age

642
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 2: or younger to remember, thirteen seasons in the NFL, started

643
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 2: with the Giants, but mostly with John Elway and the Broncos.

644
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 2: Three time Super Bowl champion, he was an All Pro

645
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 2: fifty five touchdowns in his career, and of course Christian

646
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 2: maybe the best running back of his generation. Tim and

647
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 2: Henry multiple time, multiple time First Team All.

648
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,920
Speaker 3: Pro, right, phenomenal receiver.

649
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 2: Phenomenal receiver and running back, one of the more electric

650
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 2: players of his generation.

651
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 3: And his brothers on the Commanders right now too. His

652
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: brother is on the Commanders.

653
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,800
Speaker 2: He's not eight, No, not compared to those two.

654
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: No, he's Connor Hayward at the moment.

655
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,440
Speaker 2: Number two, number one were really difficult to decide between.

656
00:29:57,520 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: But name Cashier obviously plays into this as well.

657
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Speaker 3: Two.

658
00:30:00,840 --> 00:30:04,400
Speaker 2: But at number two, I have Jackie and Matthew Slater, Okay,

659
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 2: matt Seventeen Pro Bowl selections between the two.

660
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 3: Of them, I'm sure now one's a special teamer.

661
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: That's what kind of pushed him over the top for me.

662
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 2: But Jackie Hall of Famer, twenty twenty seasons in the league,

663
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: seven time Pro bowler, his number is retired. His son

664
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 2: one of the great special teamers in NFL history. Five

665
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 2: time first Team All Pro, ten time Pro bowler, and

666
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: of course won three Super Bowls with Tom Brady in

667
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: the New England Patriots. Awesome right, In terms of just

668
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 2: accolades on a sheet of paper, it's hard to top

669
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: those two is his father and son.

670
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: The only thing, the only negative is you know he's

671
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 3: a special teamer. It's like the Hall of Fame conversation,

672
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: five time.

673
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: All the pros a special teamer is he was the

674
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 2: best one. And the three Super Bowl rings as well too.

675
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: That's a good point too.

676
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 2: I could I could easily argue for them to be

677
00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: bumped down the list, But when you combine the rings,

678
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 2: the All Pros, the Pro Bowls of those two, it's

679
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: jump off the page.

680
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 3: Dad, he's probably better than people realize.

681
00:31:03,240 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean, he's won a better offensive line in NFL history.

682
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 2: And then Matt, I'm sure you can figure out who's

683
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 2: at the top of the list, but it's Archie Peyton,

684
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 2: and you throw in Eli for a bonus as well too.

685
00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 2: I know Archie was a perennial loser with New Orleans,

686
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: but he was also thereat player. He was also a

687
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: great player. He's a multi time Pro bowler despite being

688
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 2: on a team that never had a winning record, he

689
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: made the Pro Bowl multiple times. And then of course

690
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 2: Peyton Manning five NFL MVP's most in league history, fourteen

691
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:36,280
Speaker 2: Pro Bowls, two time Super Bowl champion, ELI, two time

692
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 2: Super Bowl champion, four time Pro Bowler. Like the first

693
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 2: family of football and their quarterbacks and their quarterbacks. Yeah, yeah,

694
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: and maybe he's looking a little better these last month

695
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: or so. Maybe arch Man throw his name into this,

696
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,520
Speaker 2: into this conversation. Although he's not, he's nephews, but still,

697
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 2: I was.

698
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 3: Going to bring that up because people don't remember, like

699
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 3: when I was taught to be a football fan by

700
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 3: like my uncle, my dad, etc. They're like this poor

701
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: Manning dude with the Saints. I mean, if he was

702
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 3: with any other team, he'd be getting accolade. I mean

703
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 3: they were wearing bags on their heads back then. They

704
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: were the Aints. I mean they were the worst organization ever.

705
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 3: I mean they were like the Steelers before Chuck Nole

706
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 3: got there. At that point, he was like the only

707
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 3: good player.

708
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 2: He never had a winning record as the start.

709
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 3: I don't doubt it. I don't doubt it.

710
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: And it was still a multiple Pro bowler.

711
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: But that's where the athleticism comes from. Dad. Grandpa is

712
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 3: a super athlete. Cooper was a wide out athlete and.

713
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 2: They say he might have been better than Peyton and Eli.

714
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: So Arch gets it from Grandpa. I mean, I'm sure

715
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: there's some females that contributed to the Bloodlights too, but yeah, right,

716
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 3: right right.

717
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 2: Have you ever watched I think it was like an

718
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 2: ESPN thirty for thirty A while ago was called the

719
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: Book of Manning. So good.

720
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 3: I think, so yeah, so good.

721
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 2: If you're a football junkie, it's it's worth your time.

722
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, my top two. Everyone knows the brothers. I just

723
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 3: wanted to give Dad some credit there too.

724
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: Top one, number one, I'm very confident in. Yeah, top

725
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: couple after that, like two, three, and four and per confident.

726
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: And it's tough though, and he was a handful that

727
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: have to be in the top ten.

728
00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: I I I hope people enjoyed this. I hope people

729
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: have opinions on this. Get at us on Twitter, get

730
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 2: at us in the comments.

731
00:33:09,320 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sure, but I had I.

732
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Speaker 2: Had fun spending like a half an hour sipping my

733
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: coffee putting this together and thinking about it and well late,

734
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: how many had looking up? How many Pro Bowls did

735
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 2: this guy go to? Well he went the sixth? Oh,

736
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: this guy, you know, especially some of the like the

737
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: I knew Jackie Slater was good, I didn't know how

738
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: good he was, you know, like some of some of

739
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: those type of like that. I knew Steve Jordan was good,

740
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 2: I didn't know how good he was, you know.

741
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: Some of the better players of the you know, late seventies,

742
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 3: early eighties, like you.

743
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 2: I didn't know Jim I didn't know George Adams was

744
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 2: Jamal Adams dad. Figure figured that one out here. I

745
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: I knew those. I knew DK Metcalf's dad played in

746
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: the NFL because I remembered somebody making the reference to

747
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 2: that when the Steelers traded for him. But I didn't

748
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: know that his dad was really good in the NFL

749
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 2: as well, too. They were on the Honorable Mention list.

750
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 3: He was offensive lineman. Yes, his nicknames port Chop, port chop.

751
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 2: You gotta be port, you gotta be pretty good.

752
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he was like three and forty pound garden

753
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 3: right right, nickname?

754
00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: So Matt, how did I do pretty good?

755
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 3: You like that?

756
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: You like that as a curve ball today for the

757
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: best of the West.

758
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: And then there's like Joe Alt's dad played in the league.

759
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 3: You know, like he's too young.

760
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,399
Speaker 2: But there's a couple that can be on the way.

761
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: Yeah that are kind of like the Porter situation where

762
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 3: Daddy's Yeah, maybe Samuel.

763
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 2: Sante Samuel Junior had hadn't had his injury set backs

764
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 2: and was continuing along the trajectory that he had. They

765
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: might be on this list or in the honorable mentions.

766
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: If Marvin Harrison, if Marvin Harrison Junior would kind of

767
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: live up to.

768
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:34,480
Speaker 3: His he doesn't even have to be great for if

769
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 3: he's just good, he'll be on this He'll be on

770
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 3: that list. I mean, yeah, he could be real high

771
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 3: on this list. Just have a eight year career, go

772
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 3: to two Pro Bowls, right, and you're fighting for one

773
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 3: of the top spot.

774
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: Right and don't look now, but I think Chris Henry

775
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: Junior could be a future Hall of fame type wide receiver.

776
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,439
Speaker 2: His dad was all right in the pros. That could

777
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,319
Speaker 2: be you know, that could be another one that makes

778
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: it to the list if Chris Henry Junior is is

779
00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: outstanding in dynamic as he looks. But yeah, like the Certains,

780
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: the Humphreyes, some of these were really fun to look into. Yeah,

781
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,000
Speaker 2: and then I'm like bum and Wade Phillips, Mike and

782
00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 2: Kyle Shanahan had to throw in the Hockeyleys in there

783
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: for for a joke as well too that I'll.

784
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 3: Come up with more as I'm just kicking it around tomorrow.

785
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 3: How do we not put this?

786
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 2: If you think of any tonight or after the show

787
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 2: or anything.

788
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're.

789
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: When you're on the Bourbon at eleven forty night, shoot

790
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 2: me a text. Maybe one day too, maybe one of

791
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: our kids, Matt will get into this, uh, this radio

792
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: hosting thing, and we'll do a top We'll do a

793
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 2: best of the Yeah, we'll do a best of the West.

794
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 2: The hill grows.

795
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think out there, that's a good one

796
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 3: we're doing.

797
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 2: Oh, that's skipped the generation because Jack, of course. But

798
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:43,720
Speaker 2: still that's a good one. That's a pretty good one.

799
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: A lot of fun putting that list together, and hopefully

800
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 2: you all enjoyed some some flashbacks and some trips down

801
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 2: memory memory lane with some of those fathers and and

802
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 2: some of their sons. Best of the West top NFL

803
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,160
Speaker 2: parent son duos. When we returned on the other side,

804
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 2: I want to kind of stick with the Michael.

805
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 3: And his dad were good. Dad was running back. A

806
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 3: great running back, but good running back.

807
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 2: They should have probably been mentioned amongst my honorable mentions.

808
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 2: That's a good one. We're going to keep throwing throwing

809
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 2: these out throughout the show. I've got a kind of

810
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 2: piggybacking off of this. We every Wednesday we do a

811
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 2: brief conversation at the end of the hour, Matt where

812
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 2: we talk about which player we would steal from the

813
00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 2: other team if we could. I want to uh.

814
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 3: I think we started it with the Bengals. We did

815
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 3: a couple. Yeah, has changed.

816
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 2: I don't want when you do the same team a

817
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 2: second time around, it's the same conversation. I've got an

818
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 2: interesting twist that I want to put it on put

819
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: on for you when we returned on the other side.

820
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: I'll tell you one thing, throw in different now than then.

821
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 2: Too, okay, So let's talk about both of those things

822
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 2: when we return. I love it. We'll do all that

823
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:52,480
Speaker 2: more as we roll along West Shuler, Matt Williamson. It

824
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 2: is the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers

825
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Speaker 2: Audio Network, your.

826
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Speaker 1: Tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven home

827
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Speaker 1: of the Black and Goal, Steelers Nation Radio.

828
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,520
Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here. Closing down the first hour

829
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 2: of the program, we will catch up with Chris Halleck

830
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,760
Speaker 2: and hour number two talk a little bit more about Asante,

831
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 2: Samuel Junior, Will Howard, everything moving and shaking down there

832
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: on the south side. We will go around campus and

833
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 2: hour number two as well for what might be the beefiest,

834
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: most excited around campus segment of the year so far.

835
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: Gives me a lot of quarterbacks scuttle but with the college,

836
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: the whole.

837
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: Bunch, Yeah, yeah, a whole bunch.

838
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,279
Speaker 3: And will that who's coming in, who's going out? I

839
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 3: mean that kind of stuff too, Art explain better, you know.

840
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: Made a led Zeppelin reference to the top of the hour.

841
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:02,719
Speaker 2: Now at the bottom of the hour, it's time for

842
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 2: a the clash reference. Should I stay or should I go?

843
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 3: That's exactly what's going on. Many of these.

844
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks asking themselves that, and so we will deep dive

845
00:38:13,360 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 2: into that all in hour number two. But before we

846
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 2: get to any and all of that, Matt, I wanted

847
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: to put a little twist on our weekly pick a

848
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:23,359
Speaker 2: player conversation since it's the second time that we were

849
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 2: having this about the Bengals. But first, you want to

850
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 2: give me your new thoughts.

851
00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I don't even know I brought up last time,

852
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 3: or if I did, it was in passing DJ. Turner's

853
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 3: really good and he's cheap and good one. I mean,

854
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 3: they just signed Samuel but could use the second corner

855
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: on a rookie contract that runs a four to two

856
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 3: flat and considering Hendrickson's season has been rocky, to be kind,

857
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 3: I mean, he's just not in and all that. Turner

858
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:53,879
Speaker 3: is like the only bright spot on the defense. Yes,

859
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 3: I mean he's a good player.

860
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good way to put it. Hendrickson's been

861
00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: in and out of the lineup. The first round pick

862
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 2: Schmerz Stewart hasn't really.

863
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,160
Speaker 3: Flashed much, shown up much, right right right?

864
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,399
Speaker 2: I do think he The obvious answer is Jamar Chase.

865
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 2: I Jamar Chase. You'll pay him whatever.

866
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 3: Who cares and that is the answer.

867
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,879
Speaker 2: But but that's it. That's a that's a good kind

868
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 2: of follow up. But I think that's fair.

869
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 3: Those are usually kind of who I'm looking for.

870
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 2: Especially the young, cheap and position a need that's kind

871
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 2: of like the trifecta that you're looking.

872
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 3: For or in positions are hard to find.

873
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,440
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, and maybe Chase checks two of those three boxes.

874
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 3: He's just not cheap.

875
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 2: He's just not cheap, but understandably so. I think you'd

876
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 2: pay for that production.

877
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:33,919
Speaker 3: Matt.

878
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: Here's the twist that I want to put on it

879
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: for you as you are, and I mean this in

880
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 2: the best way possible, with all compliments. You are a

881
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 2: resident football dorc Yeah. Yeah, I want to ask you

882
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 2: you could take a player from the Cincinnati Bengals organization

883
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: and put him on the Steelers, any Cincinnati player in

884
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: franchise history. I think I know where you're gonna go.

885
00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 2: I think he plays offensive line, and I think his

886
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 2: first name is Anthony.

887
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 3: There's only two choices, it's him or Chase. Uh.

888
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,239
Speaker 2: You would Chase over Ocho Cinco, Yeah yeah.

889
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,240
Speaker 3: Or over Carl Pickens was a good player.

890
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,280
Speaker 2: I would think man Ocho Cinco with DK Metcalf combined.

891
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,040
Speaker 2: Ocho Cinco is like a George Pickens, but more consistent

892
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:20,919
Speaker 2: and like he'd be the downfield contested catch back shoulder guy.

893
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: But chase but chases right chasing the Hall of Fame Johnson, isn't.

894
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,439
Speaker 3: I mean, I didn't put all of it the staff

895
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,280
Speaker 3: pack because there's a ton, but like all the stuff

896
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 3: chases on pace to do career wise is Randy Moss stuff,

897
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 3: you know what I mean.

898
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: But Muno's maybe the best offensive lineman ever.

899
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like I bet if you if Tounch of Wolf

900
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,320
Speaker 3: were sitting here, because they he's just a smidge older

901
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:46,399
Speaker 3: than them, but not much. I mean, they're contemporaries, might

902
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,240
Speaker 3: say Munyo, I know they they they'd probably say Webby,

903
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 3: but they'd say is the best offensive tackle that ever lived? Probably? Yes, Yeah,

904
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 3: I mean, and.

905
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 2: And I think you could make a fair argument that

906
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: he's the best offensive tackle that ever.

907
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Now I'm a little partial to the Walter Joneses

908
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 3: and Ogden's and pace. I mean, there's been some great

909
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 3: ones since then, don't get me wrong, because I studied

910
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: them more and I was smarter when I watched them

911
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:12,319
Speaker 3: than when I was six. You know what, I mean,

912
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 3: and people just told me he was great. But that's

913
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:17,040
Speaker 3: the conversation between one of those two. I guess you

914
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 3: take one, Yoes.

915
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: I like how you threw Chasing there because I was

916
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 2: considering it. But you're right, I mean he might. He

917
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,320
Speaker 2: already is a top five player in the history that franchise.

918
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 3: I mean, we're not allowed to take quarterbacks. I would

919
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: take Burrow just to use quarterback.

920
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 2: We've kind of yeah, no quarterbacks.

921
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: Kenny Anderson and Palmer. I mean, I think they're they're

922
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: not allowed. You know, Boomer SI's all right, they haven't

923
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 3: that bad quarterbacks.

924
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,800
Speaker 2: No, what about Chris Collinsworth. Chris Collinsworth on this team?

925
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 2: Now here's a guy. Mike tom Winna walk into film

926
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: every week and Chris collins Worth will be sitting off

927
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 2: to the side, going, now here's a guy.

928
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 3: So I guess this is my last chance to do

929
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,640
Speaker 3: this since they're not going to play the Bengals again

930
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 3: this year. But Dale and I kind of had a

931
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 3: little thing going where it was like five years years

932
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 3: ago the Bengals put out their top fifty Bengals list

933
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 3: of all time. Oh gosh, it's terrible, and it's gotten

934
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 3: a lot better like.

935
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,399
Speaker 2: The top five to ten. It's probably not very good.

936
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,000
Speaker 3: John Breach the kicker, was like seven. Yeah, and he's

937
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 3: not even like considered like one of the best kicker

938
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: kickers of all time. He was fine. He lasted ten years.

939
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 3: I mean, like Gino Atkins was like three. I mean,

940
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 3: like it's Ojo Sinko's like top five. Oh yeah, yeah.

941
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:26,600
Speaker 3: I mean if now there was like Burrow, Chase Higgins,

942
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,280
Speaker 3: some of those guys that are recent weren't quite relevant

943
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 3: yet or were too new, but we had this thing going, like, man,

944
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,440
Speaker 3: how many of them would even make the Steelers top fifty,

945
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 3: like probably or four seven maybe? Yeah, Like if he did, Yeah,

946
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 3: if you did a top fifty combining the teams, it

947
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: would be at least eighty percent Steelers at least, I

948
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 3: mean at least. Yeah, And we're getting into like, you know,

949
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 3: like Levon Kirkland would be in the top ten for sure.

950
00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,840
Speaker 3: This might be he might be fortieth on the Steelers

951
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 3: list at.

952
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 2: Something great at some point in the offseason when we're

953
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,040
Speaker 2: like looking for content to fill, Yeah, we might have

954
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: to do like a combined top ten a starting lineup

955
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 2: for like around the division and who wins who be two,

956
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: and then maybe from there we could expand it to like.

957
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: Other someone recently, and by that I mean in the

958
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 3: last year, someone put together an all AFC or NFC

959
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 3: North team, which is kind of interesting. Yeah, that would be.

960
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:24,600
Speaker 3: It's a little hairy, like should the Oilers there, should

961
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 3: the Jags be? How did the Ravens slash Brown's work?

962
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 2: How do the Ravens slash Colts work?

963
00:43:31,600 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: Right?

964
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:32,000
Speaker 2: Right?

965
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 3: Right? I think you just do it from the four

966
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: teams that are in it.

967
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: Now, modern era, like two thousand and two or two

968
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,240
Speaker 2: thousand and three, whenever the NFL last ree did divisions.

969
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: Not even from then on, like Jim Brown would be eligible,

970
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 3: you know, like but the you had to play for

971
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 3: the Browns.

972
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: Right right, Indianapolis.

973
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: I mean, Steelers and Bengals are easy because they never

974
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: moved or left the league. So anyone in their history,

975
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 3: anyone that wore black and purple in Baltimore and anyone

976
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 3: that's worn brown color. I like this exercise. Yeah, we'll

977
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 3: put that.

978
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,439
Speaker 2: I'm going to add that to my list of off

979
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 2: season content.

980
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: In fact, like like Lamar or Bradshaw Ben. I mean,

981
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 3: every position is hard. I mean, even if you just

982
00:44:19,560 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: do two teams. It it's hard. Yeah, I mean it's

983
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 3: hard enough to do a Steelers.

984
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: Top one, one one of it, one selection of it

985
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,239
Speaker 2: will be very easy. Troy and Ed for safety, Boom done.

986
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 2: No more conversation needed. But there might be some conversation

987
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 2: needed if we actually stopped and thought about.

988
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 3: It, all right, say, there's probably other good ones, a

989
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: really good one when we go in, but like Jim

990
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 3: Brown's gonna be hard to beat. Yeah, you know, like

991
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:44,760
Speaker 3: sorry Franco, Sorry lev Sorry, Derrick Henry, you know, and

992
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 3: some of them. It's also like, well only was there

993
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 3: two years. I'm not gonna have weigh those as much

994
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 3: like Reven you know.

995
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 2: Yes or yeah, no absolutely or Derrek Henry is a

996
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 2: good example in that. Yeah, I like that, Matt, Yeah,

997
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:00,440
Speaker 2: I like that.

998
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 3: We might think of the defense you can just put

999
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: together with Steelers and Ravens.

1000
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 2: We might have to expand upon that a little bit.

1001
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:09,640
Speaker 2: Oh you're Steelers. You could put together a defensive Steelers

1002
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: and Ravens that would probably go toe to toe with

1003
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 2: the other thirty teams all defense around the NFL. You

1004
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:17,600
Speaker 2: gee what I'm saying. Yes, maybe that'll be another fun thing.

1005
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,320
Speaker 2: We could do a season you're starting Steelers and Ravens

1006
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: eleven on defense, then the rest of the league, and

1007
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 2: who's got the better unit. I mean, it'd probably be

1008
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 2: the rest of the league, but it would be close.

1009
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:28,399
Speaker 3: It'd be comparable, though, I mean they'd be able to hang.

1010
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 3: So I also if when when we do that of

1011
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,680
Speaker 3: the four teams, and I bet if this was in Baltimore,

1012
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 3: SINCEI or Cleveland, if they were honest with themselves, they'd

1013
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 3: do the same thing. Steelers will have still had more

1014
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,720
Speaker 3: than fifty percent. Yes, I mean they're still going to dominate. Yes,

1015
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,719
Speaker 3: like fun exercise too, would the Steelers' best twenty two

1016
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 3: beat the other three teams combined?

1017
00:45:52,520 --> 00:45:56,200
Speaker 2: Write all this down and will remind us June, this

1018
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 2: is what we're going when we got nothing to talk

1019
00:45:58,080 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: about between Minnie camp and.

1020
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 3: The training, Like those three teams are like that. I

1021
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 3: want Munyo's Joe Thomas or Ogden as my two tackles

1022
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 3: and the Steelers, I mean, the Steelers will be not

1023
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 3: be that good at tackle, you know, but.

1024
00:46:09,360 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 2: We could do we could do twenty first century Steelers

1025
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: team versus twentieth century team.

1026
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean this.

1027
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:19,240
Speaker 2: Sounds like a lot of what we did during COVID.

1028
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: But it's a lot right, right right, people remind us

1029
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:22,320
Speaker 3: of this stuff right.

1030
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 2: Hour in the books, another hour ago, we'll get into

1031
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: some of Matt's stats. We'll talk to Chris Hallick, we'll

1032
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,399
Speaker 2: go around campus, all that good stuff, and hour number two. Dang,

1033
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: Matt's got my wheel spinning. Oh yeah, we put together

1034
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 2: a starting eleven for all thirty two teams and power

1035
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,600
Speaker 2: rank them. That would take us like a week to do.

1036
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,520
Speaker 3: Oh that's a bigger job than that's a pretty big

1037
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: Like whoever does this?

1038
00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 2: Who wouldn't be for like Jacksonville, your all time starting.

1039
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 3: A life, Carolinas that are borderline last note, there's some

1040
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: lunatic that does this for every draft pick. The best

1041
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 3: two hundredth pickoverall. Love it. I mean, I mean some

1042
00:46:58,280 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 3: of them are terrible, but some of them are in cred,

1043
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 3: you know, like the top ones are hard.

1044
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, who's the best number one pick overall? I mean

1045
00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: the answer is.

1046
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: I mean, so it might be Peyton Manning's hard to beat,

1047
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 3: you know, or I mean there's tons.

1048
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,080
Speaker 2: I was like, the answer is, and then I was like,

1049
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 2: I don't know. There's a lot of good.

1050
00:47:13,360 --> 00:47:15,360
Speaker 3: Ones, and then there's some like wherever Joe Montana got

1051
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,719
Speaker 3: picked in the third round. Well Tim, you know, Tom

1052
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,719
Speaker 3: Brady and the Antonio Brown in the sit. Yah, A

1053
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,359
Speaker 3: couple of those are easy, but maybe.

1054
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 2: The seventh overall pick of all time. Yeah, it's probably

1055
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: like four different Hall of famers.

1056
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like the two hundred and twenty second might

1057
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Speaker 3: have like nobody.

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