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Speaker 1: cowboy fan. Naturally, a topic that comes up is whether

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Speaker 1: Let me know how it goes. You think we'd go, like,

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Speaker 1: Like it's it's not This isn't about like, can you

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Speaker 1: You and Colin said they wanted to. Also, you said

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Speaker 1: Does bringing him in make sense in the long term plan?

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Speaker 1: any moment you can get fired, right regardless how many

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Speaker 1: nature of the sport you gotta try. So everyone's trying.

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Speaker 1: But you know, the Cleveland Browns are thinking a big

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Speaker 1: picture with some of their moves. The Steelers are obsessed

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Speaker 1: to respect. But over the course of the last like

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Speaker 1: should they trade TJ and starting that, They're never gonna

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Speaker 1: do that. They're just never gonna do that. So you know,

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Speaker 1: they're depending on a forty one year old player who

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Speaker 1: be like, damn Marino can sling that pill. Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: I think Arthur Smith said this yesterday, like we didn't

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Speaker 1: t So they're gonna push the ball down the field.

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Speaker 1: But where they need to have success. And this is

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Speaker 1: what Matt Lafleur did when he got the Green Bay job,

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Speaker 1: is they ran the ball and slowed down the game.

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Speaker 1: So if you get this kid they drafted from Iowa,

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be a beast. Hand him the

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Speaker 1: ball hand Jalen war in the ball. Utilize your tight ends.

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Speaker 1: They got multiple tight ends. I watched Rogers press conference yesterday.

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Speaker 1: He was like the Washington kid, the dude from Georgia.

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Speaker 1: He's like, he reminds me of Mercedes Lewis. They got Friarmuth,

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Speaker 1: so they got two tight ends. They got a couple

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Speaker 1: I would expect, you know, the Steelers to kind of

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Speaker 1: lot like when Arthur Smith was with Mike Rabel in Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: Not sure if you know this, but is Shamar Stewart

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Speaker 1: for a certain length of time even if he doesn't

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Speaker 1: They own his rights now. I think technically, if he

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Speaker 1: he could re enter the draft in twenty twenty six,

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Speaker 1: but he would have to sit out the entire season,

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Speaker 1: where would he get drafted and he would have to

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Speaker 1: it would be a complicated situation. I would expect that

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Speaker 1: I don't remember, you know, before twenty eleven and they

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Speaker 1: right and typically it was these JaMarcus Russell and he's

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Speaker 1: had these huge holdouts because you were talking a astronomical

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Speaker 1: amount of money that's kind of ended. Every once in

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Speaker 1: the most part, you get these scenarios where it's like,

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Speaker 1: sign it, because that's just it's like a slotted in

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Speaker 1: and this situation for him to say kind of shit

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Speaker 1: on the Bengals also bring up Trey Hendrickson and then

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Speaker 1: leave before the camp ended. You're like, this has become

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Speaker 1: This week, we're discussing the challenged faced by the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 1: I think we've talked about this a couple times. Eventually

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Speaker 1: I just thought like, he's gonna eventually sign, this will

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Speaker 1: go away, and then the kid was like, this is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I'm out of here. So as as Shane, one of

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Speaker 1: our producers here at the volume and for a show,

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Speaker 1: texted me that this guy just left while the guy

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Speaker 1: that he was replaced or drafted to replace is also

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Speaker 1: holding out. So safe to say the Bengals got some issues,

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Speaker 1: and I saw their center was speaking to the media

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Speaker 1: like listen, hopefully this can get worked out. There's no

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Speaker 1: animosity in the locker room. This is a bizarre organization

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Speaker 1: and they have had a lot of issues over the years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they once had a star quarterback that just

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Speaker 1: say I quit, not like I'm retiring, like Barry Sanders

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Speaker 1: or Calvin or Patrick Willis like, Yeah, my body's given

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Speaker 1: up on me. I don't want to play anymore. I'm

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Speaker 1: retiring early. This is like I quit under no circumstances.

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Speaker 1: Can I ever play for you again. I still want

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Speaker 1: to play football, but if I got to play football

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Speaker 1: for you guys, I'd rather just sit at home with

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Speaker 1: my family. I'm not sure what happens here because the

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Speaker 1: Bengals have kind of been embarrassed now and one thing

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Speaker 1: they've shown and I think anyone that knows an old

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Speaker 1: school you know, I would say someone with the kind

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Speaker 1: of an archaic mindset, it's hard for them to pivot.

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Speaker 1: And the Bengals have proven that they've been stubborn over

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Speaker 1: the years in general, and now this rookie who's never

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Speaker 1: played a snap in the NFL is putting them on blast.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to go through a contract dispute and

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Speaker 1: have issues it happens. It's another thing to make it

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Speaker 1: this public. And now that he's left camp, I actually

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Speaker 1: think Mike Brown and the front office might dig in

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Speaker 1: more so. It's like both people, it's like a road

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Speaker 1: rage situation where you're both mad at each other and

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Speaker 1: you pull up to each other next to each other

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Speaker 1: at the stoplights, and you're both flipping each other off.

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Speaker 1: Who's gonna put their hand down first? I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And clearly Shamar Stewart and his agent and the way

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Speaker 1: that they're going over this are not happy. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Bengals cannot be thrilled with this situation. And this

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Speaker 1: is what we talk about all the time. Zach Taylor

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Speaker 1: being as a head coach, his job is to massage

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Speaker 1: all of this because eventually he's gonna need Trey Hendrickson,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna need Shamar Stewart. I mean, a huge part

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Speaker 1: of the reason this team, with Joe Burrow having an

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Speaker 1: MVP type season, Jamar Chase having one of the best

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Speaker 1: seasons I've ever seen from a wide receiver, missed the

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Speaker 1: playoffs was because their defense sucked and they're two in

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Speaker 1: theory best defensive linemen are just like at odds with

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Speaker 1: the team over finances in one, we don't even know

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Speaker 1: if he can play yet. It's like, is Shamar Stewart

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Speaker 1: good I don't know. I know Trey is, but Trey

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Speaker 1: clearly is not happy. And this is one of those

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Speaker 1: situations that you know the Bengals are truly there's a

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Speaker 1: small list of these teams still but kind of a

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Speaker 1: mom and pop shop. And it's not Zach Taylor is

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Speaker 1: not the one in charge of the finances. Honestly, he

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Speaker 1: has no pull him situation like this. So luckily they're

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Speaker 1: going to summer break. But sometimes everyone take a deep breath.

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Speaker 1: But training camp's not that far away. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: Shamar Stewart is not gonna show up, are they not

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Speaker 1: going to give in? And if they do give in,

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Speaker 1: what was the whole point of this to begin with?

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Speaker 1: And while dealing with this situation, are they ever what

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Speaker 1: are they gonna do with Trey? Are they gonna pull

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Speaker 1: the trigger and trade for him or trade him to

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Speaker 1: someone else? Would someone be willing to trade for him,

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Speaker 1: because not only would you have to give them probably

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Speaker 1: a first round pick, you'd have to give trade probably

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Speaker 1: one hundred million dollars, So it's not like you're getting

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Speaker 1: him cheap. So it's a complicated situation. And Zach Taylor,

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Speaker 1: who most people think, I think, average coach who benefits

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Speaker 1: don't think anyone's confusing him with an Andy Reid with

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Speaker 1: a Sean Payton. But this is a situation that wouldn't

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Speaker 1: learn more. Cody longtime listener as a life long Bucks fan,

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Speaker 1: It's nice to finally see some national buzz around the team.

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Speaker 1: It feels to me that Jason Light has built a

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Speaker 1: it really is. And everyone you'll hear when we play

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Speaker 1: That's what It's not just accumulating the best possible players, right.

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Speaker 1: It also has to be the right type people that

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Speaker 1: Jason Light has just I would say, somewhat perfected it. Now.

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Speaker 1: The quarterback position is a huge curveball for any organization.

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Speaker 1: The Steelers know what they're doing right for the most

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Speaker 1: part when they're evaluating players, but when you don't have

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Speaker 1: the quarterback, you're kind of screwed. And I don't want

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Speaker 1: to say they got lucky because they signed the guy,

644
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Speaker 1: but they signed Baker Mayfield four million dollars and a

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Speaker 1: couple of years later, I think we'd all agree is

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Speaker 1: the top I don't know, somewhere between seven to twelve range.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's definitely one of the better quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: the league. And they have them on a team friendly deal.

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Speaker 1: So that really changed for them as a transition from Tom.

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Speaker 1: Because one thing was evident when Tom got there was like, God,

651
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Speaker 1: they got a lot of good players, you know, Worfs,

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Speaker 1: Vitavea obviously, Mike Evans, Winfield, Levonte David's like good players

653
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Speaker 1: at every position, and then all of a sudden, it's

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Speaker 1: like they get the quarterback right and they win the

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Speaker 1: division every year. Uh, mail back question. I was reading

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Speaker 1: an article regarding the finals, the NBA Finals that is

657
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: being down twenty five percent from last season. Talk to

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Speaker 1: my dad and some other friends. They all watch the games.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you watched and willing to bet most of

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Speaker 1: your listeners turned in at some point. My opinion is

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Speaker 1: most fans of the sport will tune in regardless who

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Speaker 1: is actually playing in the game. Yet ratings are down

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Speaker 1: in your opinion, where's the gap? Is it really driven

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Speaker 1: by large markets and big brands or could it be

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Speaker 1: a star player themselves are the biggest drivers to get

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Speaker 1: people in front of the TV? Uh? I think markets.

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Speaker 1: I saw Adam Silver had a quote he was on

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Speaker 1: one of the Fox Sports one shows I think leading

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Speaker 1: into the finals and said, you know he was he's

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Speaker 1: very jealous of the NFL how unmarket dependent they are. Right,

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Speaker 1: The Chiefs are the biggest brand in the NFL, right,

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Speaker 1: no longer the Cowboys, and obviously when the forty nine

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Speaker 1: ers the Giants. Some of these teams are really good

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Speaker 1: in the biggest markets. If Chicago was a playoff team

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Speaker 1: every year, they would do huge ratings. But you can

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Speaker 1: have the Kansaty Chiefs, you can have the Green Bay Packers,

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Speaker 1: you can have the Pittsburgh Steelers carrier sport if they're good.

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Speaker 1: Basketball historically is pretty dependent on two things. Markets and

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Speaker 1: superstar players. I mean, the most famous player of my

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Speaker 1: life is Michael Jordan and Kobe Shack to Lebron to

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Speaker 1: Steph I mean, these are some of the biggest stars

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Speaker 1: of my life any sport, and I just that's this

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Speaker 1: Finals lacks that. So you factor in the markets which

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Speaker 1: are smaller, and then the star power. I'm a good example.

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Speaker 1: I don't have any money on this series. I wish.

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Speaker 1: I just thought the Pacers being five to one felt

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Speaker 1: a little crazy. It's like, OKC is not your typical

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Speaker 1: sixty eight win team. I was texting with a buddy

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Speaker 1: the other day, I said, obviously, this team's really talented,

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Speaker 1: and they got some young players, and you know, Shay

691
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Speaker 1: is the MVP of the league, but he's twenty five,

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Speaker 1: twenty six years old. Most of their better players beside

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Speaker 1: Caruso are young. And if they played the other elite teams,

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Speaker 1: let's just say the last fifteen to twenty years, I

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Speaker 1: think they would lose to every single one of them.

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Speaker 1: The Warriors teams with Durant and without Durant would beat them.

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Speaker 1: Lebron Cavs team beat them, Miami would beat them. Any

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Speaker 1: Kobe Shack Kobe Pow team beat them. I'm not trying

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Speaker 1: to shit on ok SEE, but I just think the

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Speaker 1: average consumer doesn't view OKAC as like this can't miss

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Speaker 1: Juggernaut and then Indiana I was just I mean, they're

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Speaker 1: the four seed, so Halliburton, Uh, clearly a good player,

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Speaker 1: but like, these guys aren't moving the needle. If you

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Speaker 1: told me that it was Nicks Lakers, I wouldn't have

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Speaker 1: missed a dribble. I watched most of Game one, I

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Speaker 1: did not watch any of Game two, and I watched

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Speaker 1: a little on my phone the other day for Game

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Speaker 1: three because she had something on the television. It wasn't

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Speaker 1: hard for me to convince, hey, can we watch the

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Speaker 1: thunder Pacers. So I watched second half of my phone

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Speaker 1: while I was laying on the couch. But if it

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Speaker 1: was Warriors versus the Knicks, I wouldn't have been watching

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Speaker 1: on my phone on my couch. The fucking thing would

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Speaker 1: have been on television. But it's like, I think there's

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Speaker 1: an element of star power slash the markets because oka see,

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Speaker 1: like I trust me. I went to the games when

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Speaker 1: Durant Westbrook were playing the Warriors, and that felt like

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Speaker 1: an NFL series, and that team was treated like a

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Speaker 1: big market team because Kevin Durant was a superstar and

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Speaker 1: Russell was huge. So it's the NBA and baseball's like

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Speaker 1: that too. When the World Series last year dwarfed these

722
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Speaker 1: NBA finals. It was also the Dodgers and the Yankees.

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Speaker 1: If you tell me it's the Indians and the Diamondbacks,

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna be as big, not even close. So

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Speaker 1: it's most sports, just like most of our businesses, can

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Speaker 1: be kind of fickle. You know, if we had a

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Speaker 1: huge recession right now and everyone cut their advertising budgets

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Speaker 1: by a lot, guess what. Three and out probably be

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Speaker 1: impacted greatly. I'm pretty dependent on some factors that are

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Speaker 1: out of control. So I think the NBA is a

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Speaker 1: good example. It's why David Stern used to cook the books.

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Speaker 1: He wanted the Lakers in there. He's no dummy. Now.

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Speaker 1: You could also make the argument from financially, it only

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Speaker 1: fucks the espns of the world right ABC the league,

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00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: they're contracts set in stone, so you know they're prideful

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Speaker 1: about it and you want to be bigger. But they

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Speaker 1: just signed a decade long deal, so listen. I've been

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Speaker 1: critical over the years. I'm like, God, this is not

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Speaker 1: a good sign. Yet they signed for three x the

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Speaker 1: amount or two and a half x. That's all that matters.

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Speaker 1: Tyler, is it a ridiculous idea to get rid of

747
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: pass interference? I'm so tired of feeling I'm getting fucked

748
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: by a DPIOPI call let them hand fight, let them grab.

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Speaker 1: Don't like the dB is grabbing, you throw that man

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Speaker 1: at the coach. Of course, typical defensives, receiver and other

751
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 1: safety rules would apply. I love the show. You sound

752
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: like a gambler or someone rooting for your team. It sucks.

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Speaker 1: I think there is no listen holding. You could call

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00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 1: a lot of plays, and when it gets called, it

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00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 1: tends to be egregious. Sometimes it can be questionable, but

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Speaker 1: there's nothing like I don't know, a third nine and

757
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:35,800
Speaker 1: a dude gets called for a pass interference, You're like,

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Speaker 1: are you kidding me? Defensive holding is always egregious. You're

759
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: already not letting these guys hit, so you're at a

760
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 1: huge disadvantage. I don't know what to tell you. I

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Speaker 1: wouldn't get rid of the rule because you can't just

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Speaker 1: let them. This isn't MMA, but I do. I am

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Speaker 1: in agreement that it is typically called too easily with

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Speaker 1: you there, it's called too easily, but it's not going

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Speaker 1: away for the bag. Who is the better player in

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Speaker 1: their prime eighty Assume that's Aaron Donald or JJ Watt. Uh,

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Speaker 1: that's a hell of a question. I think I would

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Speaker 1: lean JJ Watt. I'm trying to look up how many

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Speaker 1: defensive player JJ one three, Aaron Donald won three. I

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Speaker 1: think JJ had multiple twenty sax seasons. Donald had the

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Speaker 1: one twenty. I think in their heyday they are equally

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Speaker 1: as dominant and unstoppable. I would say if they're both

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Speaker 1: healthy in the prime of their career, I would say

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Speaker 1: JJ is the more versatile player. He can line up

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Speaker 1: in basically every position. Now I've seen Aaron Donald against

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Speaker 1: the forty nine ers win. You know, they have an

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Speaker 1: offensive line injury and the left tackle is not Trent Williams,

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Speaker 1: and they will put Aaron Donald out of defensive end

779
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Speaker 1: and he will fucking smoke the backup tackle. So, I mean,

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Speaker 1: two of the best players in the history of the league.

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Speaker 1: If you told me I get both guys healthy for

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Speaker 1: eight straight years, I would take JJ Watt and it's no,

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Speaker 1: it's no slight at Aaron Donald, who special player? I

784
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Speaker 1: just I mean I just watched JJ and his hey day.

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00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: I mean six five, three hundred pounds. There was no

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00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 1: stopping him. He could pass rush like Aaron Donald, but

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Speaker 1: he was unstoppable versus the run as well. Aaron Donald's

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00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: good against the run. Two. But I would give the

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Speaker 1: I would give the slight edge. I would say JJ

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Speaker 1: Watt in his prime heyday is like a ten out

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Speaker 1: of ten. Like you could argue as the perfect player

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Speaker 1: as a defensive lineman because literally every position, I mean

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Speaker 1: you can't really play like true true nose tackle right

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Speaker 1: like a you know, like a Vita Vea. Like he's

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Speaker 1: not three forty pounds, but there really is not a

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Speaker 1: position he can't play. He's probably a little more versatile

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Speaker 1: than Aaron Donald. But we're splitting heirs. Honestly, It's like

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Speaker 1: the equivalent of like, who would you want Brady or Manning.

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Speaker 1: It's like, obviously everyone's picking Brady, but you know what

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Speaker 1: I mean, the person that ends up with Peyton Manning

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Speaker 1: and complaining, speaking of cocktails with the boys, what's your

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Speaker 1: go to? I'm a professional bartender and would like to

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Speaker 1: take a crack at crafting you accustomed drink. I'm pretty simple.

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Speaker 1: I'm a Tito Soda guy, been a Tito Soda guy

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Speaker 1: probably for a decade plus. That's been my go to drink.

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Speaker 1: I would say, I would say my thirties. Sometimes maybe

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Speaker 1: if it's sonny outside during the day, I might do

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00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: a Tito soda splash a cran If I'm playing golf,

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Speaker 1: I will have probably a transfusion with Tito's. So I'm

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00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 1: just a loyal Tito's guy, whether they're paying me or not.

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Speaker 1: And I've been in business with them. I'm not in

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00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: business with them technically I think currently, but I'm very,

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Speaker 1: very loyal to that brand. No, multiple people that work

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Speaker 1: for him love Tito. That's his name. The guy that

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Speaker 1: started the company still owns it. It's an incredible story.

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Speaker 1: And I just I'm a vodka guy. I did date

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Speaker 1: a girl probably five six years ago that was just

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Speaker 1: drank tequila sodas. So I mean, I can't have a

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Speaker 1: tequila soda, but I would say someone would have to

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Speaker 1: give me. I don't think I would ever order that.

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Speaker 1: And occasionally, like if you're in like a Mexican restaurant

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Speaker 1: or something. I'll have a margarita skinny, you know, try

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Speaker 1: to keep those abs. But I'm a vodka soda. I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty simple. I don't drink that much anymore. I'd say

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Speaker 1: golf course, cocktails, and out to dinner maybe and beers.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we're having some beers. I'll have a beer.

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Speaker 1: Hope you're doing well. Question for the pod do you

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Speaker 1: think we will ever see advertising patches on NFL jerseys

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Speaker 1: like we have in the NBA? Why away not? I

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Speaker 1: would say, I mean, I would yeah, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: think it would be very possible that we have. Everything's

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00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 1: always on the table when it comes to growing revenue.

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00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: So that's an easy one. They have the patches in practice,

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Speaker 1: like when you see the Eagles or the Patriots or

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Speaker 1: some of these teams. I think the forty nine ers

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Speaker 1: at practice and you see the still shots of whatever

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Speaker 1: the local hospital is or the local whatever the company is.

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00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: So I would say, yeah, definitely possible. Mail bag question

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Speaker 1: is from Art. With all these leagues struggling with crappy ownership,

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00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:59,520
Speaker 1: what do you think of this idea? Start a five

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00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: or ten in your clock any team that can't win

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00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: twenty five percent of their games, the league demands the

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Speaker 1: owner sell the team. Would this motivate owners to spend

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Speaker 1: more money or just do a better job? Obviously not

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Speaker 1: a probable thing to happen, your thoughts, here's the problem.

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Speaker 1: If I'm selling you something that is worth the amount

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Speaker 1: of money that a basketball team, a baseball team, obviously

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Speaker 1: an NFL team is worth the money like what I'm paying,

849
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: it's hard for you to be like, well, you also

850
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 1: need to do this to keep the asset. It's like,

851
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: there's not a long list of these human beings. It's

852
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: why these sales are becoming more and more complicated. Because

853
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: when the Boston Celtics are going for will they go

854
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: for six billion dollars? Seven? They didn't even they don't

855
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:51,439
Speaker 1: even own their arena. The forty nine ers just sold

856
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:55,320
Speaker 1: on evaluation of like eight point five billion dollars. If

857
00:49:55,640 --> 00:49:58,520
Speaker 1: Jed York and the York family wanted to sell how

858
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:01,840
Speaker 1: many human beings? One, there's such a small amount of

859
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 1: people that have access to you know, have that much money.

860
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: And two, like you kind of gotta like football now,

861
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: maybe there are people that have bought recently. Bronco fans

862
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: would know better, like Penner, the Waltons. Are they really

863
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: into football? It was like, we need a place to

864
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,759
Speaker 1: put our money, and this is just a great buy.

865
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: So I think it's just a small list, you know,

866
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: I hear this forever. It's like, could Jeff Bezos buy

867
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: Team X NBA or football? And maybe he does. I

868
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: don't know enough about Jeff Bezos. Is like, you know

869
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: what he likes to do, but does he like football

870
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 1: and basketball? Does he like sports? Because if he doesn't

871
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: like yeah, just I'm so rich. I don't need to

872
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: do this, so I don't want to right part of

873
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 1: it clearly, you know, some of these guys really like football, obviously,

874
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 1: the old school owners, you know, the Moros, the Hunt families,

875
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,879
Speaker 1: the Crafts like Jerry the I mean, we go on

876
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: the football. They fucking like football. They love football. Same

877
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: thing goes for like Mark. No one ever questioned, like

878
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: you think Mark Cuban likes the sport of basketball? How

879
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: Joe Lacup. It's like Joe Acob plays a pickup game

880
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 1: twice a week at Stanford. Okay, loves hoops. So part

881
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: of it I get this guy to spend all this money.

882
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: I need to find a guy that likes football or

883
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:27,719
Speaker 1: basketball or baseball, and then I'm gonna dictate. Well, if

884
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: it doesn't go well, you have to sell what. No,

885
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:33,640
Speaker 1: part of the reason I'm buying it usually is to

886
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,279
Speaker 1: park my cash somewhere. And two I'm doing it for

887
00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: my family. So I I like your idea, Like I

888
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 1: understand where you're coming from, but it's just it's too

889
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 1: far fetched. With South America and Australia offering better time

890
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 1: zones for American football, do you think the NFL will

891
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: gradually phase out of the UK when it comes to

892
00:51:56,680 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: overseas games. Uh, it's a good question. I don't know.

893
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: I honestly haven't even thought about it. I personally, I

894
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: do believe that it's a little far fetched to think

895
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:16,160
Speaker 1: that they could put a put a division if they

896
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: were to expand in the UK. Like you said, not

897
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: just the time zone period, but just the logistics of travel,

898
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,799
Speaker 1: you know, if you need to. I mean, hell, when

899
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: I was with the Eagles, it's like, Hey, we're working

900
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:32,239
Speaker 1: out middle Cough get him a plane flight. It's like

901
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a workout tomorrow. It's one o'clock in

902
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 1: the afternoon. It's like, where does he live? Oh, he

903
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: lives in he lives in Scottsdale. Okay, we can find

904
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 1: him a flight in two hours. It'll be here tonight.

905
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,480
Speaker 1: Let him sleep a little bit, tell him work out

906
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,720
Speaker 1: tomorrow eight thirty in the morning. Think how more difficult

907
00:52:47,719 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: that would be. It's like, okay, fly him out from

908
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 1: Scottsdale to London to Spain to wherever. So I don't

909
00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: know about enough about the time zones, but I do

910
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: you think it's a little complicated, Yes, if you're talking

911
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: about putting a team there. When it comes to just watching,

912
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: isn't Australia. Is Australia better time zone? Isn't Australia way ahead? Too?

913
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: Could be wrong thoughts. To address the questionable officiating, we're

914
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 1: crushing officials in the middle of June. The league should

915
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 1: put out a miscall report after each week wraps up.

916
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,239
Speaker 1: Report gets released on Tuesday morning. Then have the head

917
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 1: of officials for each crew do a press conference. That

918
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 1: way we can actually get real data on cruise, what

919
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 1: type of penalties get missed and what point of the

920
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:44,360
Speaker 1: game the calls are being made missed. Your thoughts, I

921
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: think these leagues are very, in a weird way protective

922
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:54,760
Speaker 1: over like the sanctity of listen. These are human beings.

923
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: They're going to be calls missed. Some are more egregious

924
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: than others. We have replay. There should be some mechanism

925
00:54:03,239 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: to try to get it right, but there also should

926
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: be some sort of human element. I mean, ultimately, this

927
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: is a reality television show. So if you're Roger Goodell

928
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:14,200
Speaker 1: and you're the league, like, do I need that?

929
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 3: Like?

930
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 1: Part of the reality is everyone bitching the moment. It's like,

931
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: until you stop watching the games, Why do I care

932
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: if you're mad at the official or not. I've been

933
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,800
Speaker 1: mad a million times over the last ten fifteen years, gambling, rooting,

934
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: you name it. Think how many coaches and players get

935
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: mad all the time? What does it change? It literally

936
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:38,120
Speaker 1: doesn't change anything. Ever, so long winded way, I don't

937
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: think the league cares. I really don't think they care,

938
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:45,840
Speaker 1: you know. I as long as people watch, nothing matters.

939
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: A big fan of the pod. I'm twenty five and

940
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: my dad has been on me about investing at an

941
00:54:52,120 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: early age. Although I've been investing my money in some

942
00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 1: stocks safe and risky. What do you think is the

943
00:54:57,280 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 1: best strategy when investing for the long term and is

944
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 1: there any companies that you're investing in that you feel

945
00:55:02,400 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 1: good about. I think if I can go back and

946
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:08,280
Speaker 1: do it all over again, Listen, it's it's always easy

947
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: to be like, oh see Patrick Mahomes saw that one come.

948
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: No one knew. It's like, oh, should have put it

949
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 1: all in on Facebook or Apple fifteen years It's it's

950
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 1: always easy to play that game stocks sports. If I

951
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: would have just put a couple hundred dollars a month

952
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: when I was your age into the SMP five hundred,

953
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: I mean I would be worth a lot more money

954
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 1: now and just having a retirement plan set up instead

955
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:41,280
Speaker 1: of starting it at you know, truly for myself, putting

956
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: money away at thirty four instead of twenty four on

957
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: just safe stuff. Listen, you can play the game all

958
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,799
Speaker 1: day long. And I do companies. You use companies, you know,

959
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think we have examples over the course

960
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 1: of the last twenty years. I watch Netflix. It gets

961
00:56:03,360 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 1: flip turned on in my house every day, right, you know,

962
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: think how many people over the last twenty years use

963
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 1: Google daily. I mean I'm looking at an Apple computer.

964
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: I got an Apple phone, I got an iPad, Apples,

965
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: I watch Apple Plus the show sticks with Owen Wilson

966
00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: pretty good. I wish I would have invested in Apple

967
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago. So I think if you think that

968
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: mindset when you invest in stuff, listen, there's always gonna

969
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: be risk involved. But I think if you just in

970
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: general invest in our economy, like basically invest in American capitalism,

971
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,840
Speaker 1: the S and P five hundred, the SMP, there's ETFs

972
00:56:40,880 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: with the top one hundred companies. That's what I would do.

973
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:48,520
Speaker 1: To just have something you're just investing in at a

974
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: young age that you're just betting on the come that way,

975
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: and it gives you diversity. That's not how I gamble,

976
00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 1: you know, or slash invest. My investing strategy is a

977
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 1: little bit more of a gamble when it comes to

978
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: just investing in individual stocks. But we're all a little

979
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:11,400
Speaker 1: different that way. Long time listener and first time messenger,

980
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm headed to Arizona in October and it was wondering

981
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,480
Speaker 1: if you had any golf recommendations. I think I've given

982
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: him a million. I need to just do a YouTube

983
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: video of like here are middle COFs recommendations when you

984
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: come to Scott's sale restaurants, low price, mid price, high

985
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:33,240
Speaker 1: price golf courses, low priced high price some other fun stuff. Honestly,

986
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:35,960
Speaker 1: that's probably not a terrible idea what to do when

987
00:57:35,960 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: coming to Scots. Maybe I should just do a video.

988
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,880
Speaker 1: That's actually a pretty good idea. Jackson Who if you've

989
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: listened to the show for a while that used to

990
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: come on do college football stuff. He's now part of

991
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,680
Speaker 1: the volume part of our show, and we were just

992
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: talking about some just ideas. That's a pretty good one,

993
00:57:55,880 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: actually do like a vlog. Also, do you pay attention

994
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:04,479
Speaker 1: to the Niners beat? For example, the Grant Cone versus

995
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:10,480
Speaker 1: Dave Lombardi beef. I used to be more dialed in

996
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: to those guys. I like both of them. I would

997
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: say I'm better friends with Lombardi. I love Grant's dad, Loll,

998
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: who's a legendary calumnist for the San Fransco Chronicle that

999
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: my dad loved, you know, my dad passed away but

1000
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: loved the sports section. And Lowell was probably one of

1001
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:36,040
Speaker 1: the more important guys in the San Fransco Chronicle in

1002
00:58:36,120 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, which probably one of the bigger

1003
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: papers in America. And then I got to know him

1004
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 1: through doing media stuff in the Bay. It was fucking awesome.

1005
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: Listen part of it is you should have healthy competition,

1006
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: and the beat world is so different than it used

1007
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 1: to be. But one thing for Grant and Lombardi, for

1008
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: those of you listening, they're younger guys that cover the

1009
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 1: forty nine ers. They're big on social media and big

1010
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,360
Speaker 1: on I mean, they're huge on YouTube, and they're kind

1011
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:10,000
Speaker 1: of the modern day beat reporter, and it's aggressive now.

1012
00:59:10,120 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 1: The thing is, you know the hatred that you get

1013
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: you see on Twitter or online. I've been to a

1014
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: million practices with both those guys and it's just normal.

1015
00:59:18,520 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: Though I did. I was at the practice when kin

1016
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: Law javon Kinlaw, it looked like for a second he

1017
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: was gonna kick Grant's ass and kin Law, you know,

1018
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 1: overrated player a little bit, I thought, thought, my guy

1019
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: Peters gave him a little too much money. Massive, dude,

1020
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:39,439
Speaker 1: I mean, kin Law would have beat up every Beat

1021
00:59:39,440 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 1: reporter in any practice ever. Monster. But they calmed it down,

1022
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 1: they hashed it out. I've tried to spend less time

1023
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: on the internet, especially in the summer during the fall

1024
00:59:52,240 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 1: football season. I got no choice, and it's what I do.

1025
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: I try to balance it now, so I'm probably not

1026
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 1: as dialed as I once was when it came to

1027
01:00:00,640 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: internet beats with the media question for the bag. I

1028
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: know it's way too early, but any predictions for Mike

1029
01:00:08,120 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: McCarthy next year? A few coaches every year get fired

1030
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: and a few quarterbacks get traded. Any futures on your board.

1031
01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,640
Speaker 1: It's weird because objectively, if you look at McCarthy's career,

1032
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,240
Speaker 1: he's a winner, right obviously in Green Bay a ton

1033
01:00:24,280 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 1: of success goes to Dallas. Three straight years, twelve wins

1034
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 1: a season, hosts how many playoff games? Just the one?

1035
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 1: I know they lost the Niners. They played the Bucks

1036
01:00:38,840 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: that year they won. Yeah, because he lost the Packers.

1037
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: So two of three years in the three straight years

1038
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:49,800
Speaker 1: of winning twelve games, he won the division, hosts two

1039
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 1: playoff games. Now he lost them both. But think how

1040
01:00:54,120 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: many teams you know. One issue with Mike is people

1041
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: view him through a negative lens or a pessimistic lens,

1042
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: instead of seeing the positives, like this guy brings something

1043
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,920
Speaker 1: to the table. People view what he can't do, and

1044
01:01:11,040 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna hurt him. I would never say

1045
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,400
Speaker 1: he's not gonna ever get a job again, but I

1046
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: do think it's gonna be a little uphill battle. Now

1047
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,640
Speaker 1: it's always dependent, Like on a given year, if there's

1048
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 1: a Ben Johnson, a Mike McDonald and a Mike Vrabel,

1049
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 1: like he's in trouble, you know. I mean, Mickey Loomis

1050
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 1: is like a good friend of his, and they went

1051
01:01:31,120 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 1: with Kellen Moore over him. Maybe a couple of years

1052
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:39,080
Speaker 1: away could do him good. But one thing that hurt

1053
01:01:39,160 --> 01:01:42,280
Speaker 1: him that when he said he took a year away

1054
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: with Dallas and in his interview he told Jerry I

1055
01:01:46,680 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: watched every game and I knew, and then he admitted

1056
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: during the press conference that he lied. I think that

1057
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:58,120
Speaker 1: kind of always carried with him, you know, and which

1058
01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: is crazy because you go, well, what's my good at

1059
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, coaching quarterbacks? Calling offense? So think about

1060
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: this his number one trait as a coach. He can

1061
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 1: call the plays and coach the quarterbacks. It's like that

1062
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:13,160
Speaker 1: should be fucking pretty important. I don't know if it's

1063
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 1: his look. It does not feel like people are high

1064
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: on him for whatever reason, and he handled the Cowboys

1065
01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 1: job pretty well. Now. I think if you're hiring him

1066
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:28,120
Speaker 1: thinking you're gonna get some guy that's gonna dominate the

1067
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,760
Speaker 1: highest levels, I think it's fair to question that, but

1068
01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: you could do way worse. I mean, look at some

1069
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 1: of these coaches getting hired, Like, what are the chances

1070
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: would the Jags here's a good example, and this is

1071
01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 1: nothing against Liam Cohen, but like, what are the chances

1072
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 1: that Liam Cohen wins in Jacksonville? You'd say, historically pretty low.

1073
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,240
Speaker 1: But if I told you that Mike McCarthy had gone

1074
01:02:49,280 --> 01:02:53,320
Speaker 1: to the Jags and was coaching that team, you'd be like,

1075
01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: I bet they're pretty solid. I bet within a couple

1076
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 1: of years during the playoffs. You would have to bet

1077
01:02:58,600 --> 01:03:01,640
Speaker 1: that now Liam might take him to the playoffs, but

1078
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: he easily might not. You would probably bet against him

1079
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 1: doing it, just based on the history of the franchise.

1080
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: So I think he's going to have to fight the perception.

1081
01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't quite get it, because I'm

1082
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:22,560
Speaker 1: all for being critical of Mike McCarthy in individual situations

1083
01:03:22,560 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 1: and games, But like, if you just tell me that

1084
01:03:25,320 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: he's never going to get a job, which I think

1085
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 1: is very possible, that's kind of crazy to me. It

1086
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: really is. And if I was a betting man, I

1087
01:03:34,560 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 1: would say it's coin flip at best, that he's a

1088
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:40,480
Speaker 1: head coach again. I easily think he could be a coordinator,

1089
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,160
Speaker 1: and they coordinators make millions of dollars, so it's not

1090
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 1: I don't think he has you know, his contract ended,

1091
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,479
Speaker 1: so it's not like he's being paid to do nothing.

1092
01:03:49,560 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a con like he's not being paid. Now.

1093
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,960
Speaker 1: He's made a ton of money, but at the end

1094
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: of the day, it's like, how old is Mike McCarthy

1095
01:03:58,200 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: fifty eight, sixty. It's not like he's eighty. I would

1096
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: imagine he's gonna want to make some coin. Sixty one

1097
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:07,240
Speaker 1: if I was betting right now, he'll be an offensive

1098
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: coordinator in twenty twenty six would be my guess. I

1099
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:12,959
Speaker 1: would say, if I did a pie chart, I would

1100
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:17,320
Speaker 1: say sixty percent, that thirty percent head coach because he's

1101
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: gonna get some interviews, and ten percent just never coaches again,

1102
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 1: which you never know. I mean, maybe he's just over it.

1103
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: The volume