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Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, and welcome back to

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Speaker 1: the show. My name is Noel. Our compatriot Matt is

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Speaker 1: on adventures but will be returning soon. They called me Ben.

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Speaker 1: We're joined as always with our super producer Paul. Mission

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Speaker 1: Control deconds. Most importantly, you are you, You are here,

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Speaker 1: and that makes this the stuff they don't want you

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Speaker 1: to know. Uh, Noel, it wasn't too long ago that

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Speaker 1: the US government released sort of a report on what

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Speaker 1: they call you a p s now as it was,

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Speaker 1: it was a little bit of a whimper, you know.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't me. We all hoped it would be, but

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Speaker 1: it was. It was something. It was some low key

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Speaker 1: acknowledgement that there's something weird going on right right And this, uh,

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Speaker 1: this was widely anticipated by a lot of experts in

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Speaker 1: the field of studying what maybe extra terrestrials, what are

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Speaker 1: And as we explored this on our show, we began

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Speaker 1: looking for more subject matter experts and that is why

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Speaker 1: today we are incredibly fortunate to be joined with the

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Speaker 1: one and only Roderick Martin, the creator of Extraterrestrial Evidence,

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Speaker 1: which is by far the best UFO show on Clubhouse. Roderick,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming today. Hey, glad to

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Speaker 1: be here. So could you tell us just just a

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Speaker 1: there something in your life that, uh, that you personally encountered,

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Speaker 1: or something that inspired you to bring this conversation more

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Speaker 1: and in fact I get that question all the time.

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Speaker 1: But I will say I got two sides to that,

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Speaker 1: so real quickly. The first side is I'm a UFO investigator, okay,

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Speaker 1: it made sense to talk about it. And the other

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Speaker 1: and the rest of this history. You say you couldn't

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Speaker 1: But why why didn't you feel comfortable talking about her?

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Speaker 1: Was it just something that she wasn't into Well, for starters,

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Speaker 1: it definitely wasn't government intervention. It was, you know, taboo.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm in a community that it is taboo.

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Speaker 1: and and it brings this clashing into both sides. And

426
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Speaker 1: what I like about that with him is because just

427
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:36,080
Speaker 1: like all of us, I'll tell people all the time,

428
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,440
Speaker 1: why the hell you got car insurance just in case

429
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: you have a wreck? So I want to be ready

430
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,400
Speaker 1: just in the case they do something. I don't want

431
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,159
Speaker 1: to be caught off guard, like the movies, you know,

432
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: and and being that one person have to go look

433
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Speaker 1: for that guy to change the whole thing because he

434
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: come up with some you know, biological thing. No, we

435
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 1: need to be yeah, you know, you know what I'm saying.

436
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: So when Lou Alexando talks about the seriousness and when

437
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,000
Speaker 1: we see videos, he talks about those five aservables, right,

438
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: and one in particular is that trans medium travel where

439
00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:11,800
Speaker 1: they can go from the sky into the air, down

440
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,080
Speaker 1: into the water. We have nothing, nothing that could do that.

441
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: And for somebody to think if you can see something

442
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: doing that and they're having to tie a missile or

443
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:26,120
Speaker 1: something on that and they can do that, are aces

444
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 1: in trouble, right, And so if they decide to want

445
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,359
Speaker 1: to engage, okay, So, but I don't want to be

446
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,040
Speaker 1: sitting here saying, oh, they ain't done nothing. Now, well

447
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: maybe they just ain't piste off yet, who knows. But

448
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,320
Speaker 1: the fact of the matter is the capabilities that they do.

449
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,879
Speaker 1: So I don't want a guy driving by my neighborhood.

450
00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: Point is gun he ain't shot yet, but he just

451
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 1: keep doing the drive by, you know, Yeah, you think

452
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna go get mine and be waiting just

453
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,880
Speaker 1: in case and tell the kids, Hey, y'all standing back.

454
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: I don't care if it's ten years, just don't come

455
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Speaker 1: out front. He keeps coming about here every day. Yeah,

456
00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 1: you want to be ready. So Lou prepared airs us

457
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: for the inevitable. Well, the rest of the world is

458
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: preparing us for the Belevnate side up. They come in

459
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: peace and they ain't done either one. So which one

460
00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 1: side you want to be on when it happened? So

461
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 1: they're doing a recon at this point, you know, I mean,

462
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,560
Speaker 1: I think that's really well uh, well put, because it

463
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 1: is you know, going back to the situation you described

464
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: in childhood where he said I saw something that I

465
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,360
Speaker 1: could not explain in the sky, But where I grew up,

466
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Speaker 1: no one would talk about that, right. You would be

467
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,879
Speaker 1: you would be a laughing stock. People would drag you

468
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,840
Speaker 1: for saying that. Um. I think that is something that

469
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Speaker 1: Elizondo and the people he talked to, and probably many

470
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 1: of the people you've spoken with, ran into as well.

471
00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: You know, the trained Air Force pilots were at times

472
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Speaker 1: a little bit gun shy because they thought they would

473
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: lose their own credibility if they were like, hey, I

474
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,159
Speaker 1: know I went through you know, decades of training and

475
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: it costs millions of dollars to get me to say this.

476
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: But guys, I I don't know what that was. That

477
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: was crazy. Things shouldn't be able to fly in and

478
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,479
Speaker 1: out of water, but they had something worse uh up

479
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,919
Speaker 1: on geinst them uh than I would be because you

480
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 1: know me, I'm just an investigator. Uh. If I talk

481
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: or whatever, you know, either they're gonna laugh at me.

482
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: But when you're talking about lou Alesando who has a

483
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 1: national security clearance with the threat of losing his pension

484
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: thrown in jail, all of those pilots who got national

485
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: security clearances, uh, pensions on the line and all of

486
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: these different things, they have a whole bigger weight on

487
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: top of them to keep them quiet than I do. Right,

488
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,760
Speaker 1: And so although they seeing these things, now this is

489
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Speaker 1: the whole point that you just made that which you

490
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Speaker 1: know gets me, Like what you know, when we got

491
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: one of these pilots out here, and you know, we

492
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: all think of the movie Top Nonetime CRUs Right, you

493
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: know what's the guy's name was, school Send and space Man.

494
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,600
Speaker 1: These are the best of the best of the best, right,

495
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: They're sharp, and you're telling me we got some of

496
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,679
Speaker 1: those guys up there seeing things, and then you come

497
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: back to all they don't know what they're talking about,

498
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:14,200
Speaker 1: or it's equipment malfunction. Really, are you kidding me? And

499
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: we supposed to believe that. I just watched top gun

500
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 1: them do they're making those mistakes and if they do,

501
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:22,879
Speaker 1: they die? Right? So you telling me that he doesn't

502
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: know what he saw or he is an equipment malfunction,

503
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: the whole But they can't do it. I get it

504
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 1: because there's trouble. But it is changing and shifting a

505
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: little bit because some of them have nothing to lose.

506
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: More people are coming forward. You've got celebrities talking now,

507
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: and now it's in mainstream media. It's it's we were

508
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: in for a clash of the Titans, and we're in

509
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: the right place at the right time, plain and simple. Okay, Okay,

510
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick pause for a word from

511
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: our sponsor, and then we're back with more from Roderick.

512
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: And we've returned with Roderick Martin if you don't mind,

513
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,919
Speaker 1: um Ben, I thought we might touch a little bit

514
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: on the benevolent versus antagonistic model you know of of extraterrestrials. Um.

515
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: We we we talked about briefly the idea of extraterrestrials

516
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: meddling with our nuclear infrastructure. Specifically, there have been sightings

517
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 1: for many, many years, I believe since the forties UM

518
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: of extraterrestrials or UFOs rather u A p s over

519
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:32,240
Speaker 1: nuclear facilities like Savannah River sites UM and others Livermore, UH,

520
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: Sandy Los Alumos, etcetera. UM, and the idea that they

521
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 1: have disabled nukes just before testing. You're gonna be better

522
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: at this than than than me, Roderick. But UM, to me,

523
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: that speaks to a benevolent model, even if there's a

524
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 1: weird power flex involved where it's like, hey, look what

525
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: we can do, but also we're kind of trying to

526
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: save you from yourselves. I like that model. I think

527
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: it's interesting, but I also it's a little hard for

528
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: me to swallow in general. UM. But if I was

529
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: going to choose one, that would obviously be the one

530
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I would choose. Tell tell me, tell us your perspective

531
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: on that. You know, with that evidence and the work

532
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: of George Knapp, the investigative journalist who's study these things

533
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 1: and these sightings for for many decades and he actually

534
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: filed a bunch of Freedom of Information Act requests. So

535
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 1: he's he's he's a journalist. He's like a real deal

536
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: journalist who was going through the right channels and you know,

537
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: telling the story. And um, the same with lou El Asondo.

538
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: He's a guy's got a lot to lose by He

539
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: talks about this as well. This is something that he

540
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: speaks of as well. So I'm interested to hear your

541
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: thoughts of this benevolent versus uh antagonistic view of extraterrestrials

542
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: as pertains to these kind of historical sightings with nukes. Well,

543
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: I got a question for you know, and then we'll

544
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 1: get into that. Or I got an example. So let's

545
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: say it's a home. You've got an alarm system, but

546
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,479
Speaker 1: you see a shadow figure standing out there and he

547
00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 1: cuts it off, and then you could have back on.

548
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: He cuts it off. Is that benelevant to you? You

549
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: know what I mean? You know, he could cut your

550
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,200
Speaker 1: lawrance as law. He ain't done nothing, and he you like,

551
00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: what the hell you cut it back on? He cuts

552
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 1: it all and just go and then he walks off

553
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: into the dark and he comes back again in the

554
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: middle of night. Cut your lances. Come on, he's letting

555
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 1: me know what he's capable of, and he's trying to

556
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: scare me. But that's not But that's not benelevance, right

557
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: if that was the point I was making, So if

558
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: they're cutting our stuff off, I ain't looking at that

559
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,480
Speaker 1: as been leveling right now. Don't get me wrong. I

560
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: share two sides of it, so you know, I don't

561
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 1: I don't think that if there is a species or

562
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 1: multiple species of extra restaurants, that they all are bad, right,

563
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: just like humans? Okay, so, but but there could be

564
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: something out there who just don't like us, who's preparing

565
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: or not. So I I leave that open on, you know,

566
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 1: for the scale to weigh in on, right. But when

567
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: it comes down to what you asked between the two,

568
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 1: I think there is a huge line in between the

569
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: middle because you gonna have the factions that are being

570
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: contacted consciously right are they've been inducted and returned. But

571
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 1: then some of the deductees are gonna tell, you know,

572
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: they probe me, they stuck me, they all these things,

573
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: and maybe they're testing for something. So I think it's

574
00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: gonna take where both sides gotta come together with the

575
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: realism of what's happening. UM, and to take account that,

576
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: all right, there's two sides, but let's try to at

577
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,240
Speaker 1: least merge that we know something is out, we just

578
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 1: don't know what's happening. Uh. And you just you just

579
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: you have to be a fan of both. But then

580
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: there's cases that most people are just not so hopefully

581
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: answered that. But if you need to go deeper, this

582
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: is great, and we are we are going to go

583
00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: deeper and want to set up some context for a

584
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: followed conspiracy realists listening today when we when we talk

585
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: about the relationship or the density of sightings around nuclear

586
00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: weaponry storage sites, one of the best things for audience

587
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: to check out would be, uh, the story from I

588
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 1: believe of the press conference in two thousand and ten.

589
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: It was in Washington, d c. Uh. It was a

590
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 1: National Press Club briefing and multiple Air Force personnel came

591
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 1: forward and said, yes, there is something with the ability

592
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 1: to neutralize not only US but Russian nuclear missile sites.

593
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: So this is not an Internet rumor. To be very clear,

594
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: there are experts who have talked about this. I think

595
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,479
Speaker 1: we need to make sure everybody understands that. UH. The

596
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: the next thing is, oh Man, I would love to

597
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 1: just talk for hours with you guys about the problem

598
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: of discerning motivation. We have a difficult time as a

599
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: species discerning the motivation of our fellow humans. And so

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00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 1: when we talk in terms of benevolence or malevolence, we're

601
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: maybe going back to the idea of cultural framework looking

602
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: through a human lens at maybe not human things. So

603
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 1: the idea of benevolence on. You know, if there is

604
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 1: someone coming from somewhere else, whether that's somewhere else in

605
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 1: physical space, whether it's another dimension which some people think

606
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,640
Speaker 1: or some people also speculate about, then their idea of

607
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:16,080
Speaker 1: benevolence may not be our idea of benevolence, you know.

608
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Speaker 1: And when we when we look at you know, the

609
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: scary thing this, the scary thing about realism is that

610
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: you have to look at all possibilities right, and we

611
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: have to base One thing I really appreciate about your

612
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: your research and uh, the way you interact with people

613
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,959
Speaker 1: on extraterrestrial evidence is that you do come with the

614
00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: facts and you do base these these ideas in a

615
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: in a very grounded, realistic way. So that means we

616
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,800
Speaker 1: have to talk about things like dark forest theory, which

617
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: is the idea that um, given all the unknown variables

618
00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: intelligence civilizations deal with when they see another intelligent civilization

619
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: there first move what they see a self preservation, maybe

620
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: an aggressive a hostile move. You know. The short story,

621
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: the sci fi short stories are full of this. Whereas

622
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: someone like finally, you know, Set gets a message back

623
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: from another civilization and all it says is they'll hear you.

624
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 1: I think that's a little alarmous, but I'm really interested

625
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: in in your opinion of this, you know what, like,

626
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 1: when we're looking at this from a real a realistic

627
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: way in from your perspective, is there a way to

628
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 1: begin to ascribe motive to these sightings? And if so,

629
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Speaker 1: how how do you begin to unpack that? Well simply

630
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: or should I say, with this particular story or an event.

631
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: I would say, you know, when you hear in my

632
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:57,280
Speaker 1: space that you know that the extraterrestaurants are somehow saying,

633
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, we need to have more love and and

634
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: that the human were destroying the planet and they're here

635
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 1: to stop us from or to get us to realize

636
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: those scenarios. So I take you into this particular scenario.

637
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Speaker 1: So let's say being you married. Yes, no, I don't

638
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: want to put you out here. I am not all right,

639
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: let's just say girlfriend. You know y'all sitting on a porch,

640
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: um and uh, because I don't want to use no

641
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: all again. I want to keep picking on them, you

642
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: know the cwork, Yeah, yeah, you know. And you're sitting

643
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,640
Speaker 1: on your front porch like we all do, if we

644
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: have the front porch, and you got a yard, and

645
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: you got your big beautiful yard. And over there you

646
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 1: see a couple of aunt piles with the representation of

647
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: us on Earth, and the ants blows some up over there.

648
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: Excuse me, ma over okay to use that language, and

649
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: and it blows it up over there, and you're standing

650
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: there and going, honey, what the what, what's going on?

651
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: This is the extraterredial seeing us firing off nuclear weapons. Right,

652
00:36:01,040 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: Let's go find out what these damn ants up to,

653
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: right and now, because they can see this blast all

654
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: over the universe. It's messing up wormholes, it's doing all

655
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, and they're going, these guys then got

656
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: ahold to some matches. What the hell you know? And

657
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,840
Speaker 1: you go over there, now you fly over them, and

658
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,560
Speaker 1: you're making a determination because either you're saying they're either

659
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: gonna mess up the yard, which is earth, and we

660
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: either got to do something about it. And because you

661
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: do have the power to go over the home depot

662
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 1: or loads and get some stuff to sprinking on and

663
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 1: killed the whole mound if you wanted to, right, you know,

664
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: and you were like, yeah, all right, we'll just let's

665
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: give them a warning, you know, let's cut this thing off,

666
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: let's throw some water on the matches or something of

667
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:46,400
Speaker 1: these ants that don't do what they're doing. And this

668
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: is my analogy of what they do is to give

669
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: us a warning of hey, listen, you guys are messing

670
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 1: with some some some crazy stuff here, you know, and

671
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: don't try because there's been instances where we tested rockets,

672
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: like you said, and and they have footage where these

673
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: uh something comes out of nowhere and shoot the beam

674
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,839
Speaker 1: and disarms it. Why what they do that is to say,

675
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: because we can and don't do this, you know. Uh.

676
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:18,359
Speaker 1: And so although our technological advances are moving rapidly and

677
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 1: we're creating all these things, who knows that we're not

678
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: going to find that one thing? And it goes back

679
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: to the movies, y'all, remember Star Game. Remember the movie,

680
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: Remember that one part and not the whole series, but

681
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: the movie that they made the series from. When Raw

682
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,720
Speaker 1: said to the guy he brought back to the nuclear

683
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: weapon because they was getting red blowing him up. He says,

684
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: you guys an event since I left y'all there. Remember,

685
00:37:43,120 --> 00:37:45,880
Speaker 1: he says, you guys figure out a way to hauntess

686
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: the power of the Adam And he goes, I almost

687
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: send this back to stop this mess. You get what

688
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying, And that was his point. I didn't think

689
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: you guys are gonna do that now what I left.

690
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 1: You know, that's a problem. So I don't know when

691
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 1: it comes down to that part. That's just a humor,

692
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 1: the speculation. But it is a possibility because I would

693
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:05,960
Speaker 1: do that to the ants in my front yard if

694
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 1: I saw the mold up blowing up and stuff, and

695
00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: I'm on my ports, I'm gonna go up, my curious self,

696
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: gonna go over there, and if it's getting too far

697
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 1: out of hand, I'm gonna put a stop that at

698
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,239
Speaker 1: a whole now. And you better believe it. And in

699
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:21,600
Speaker 1: this in this analogy, it would be incredibly unlikely for

700
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 1: us to think in terms of the individual ant in

701
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: the ant hill. Instead, I think we're we're prioritizing what

702
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 1: we see is the greater good of the yard or

703
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: the universe. Right, yeah, let's pause for a moment for

704
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsor, and then what we returned

705
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: with Roderick Martin, and we are back. This is leading

706
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: us in so many directions because you know, no, uh,

707
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: you can attest to this as well. We have. UM.

708
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: Over the years, we've received a lot of a lot

709
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: of correspondence from people who claim they have had an

710
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:12,760
Speaker 1: experience for a citing or they feel that these are misunderstood,

711
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,760
Speaker 1: you know, and they'll say a lot of that stuff

712
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: that was seeing flying around, you know, in in some

713
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 1: of the hey days of UFO reporting on the government side,

714
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: like the forties fifties, they'll say, well, you know, a

715
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff was actually secret earthly vehicles, right

716
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: like self bombers, things like that. Um, do you think

717
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 1: And later in some cases that did turn out to

718
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: be the case. There were people who saw a plane

719
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 1: that didn't officially exist, but was there. To your earlier point, Roderick,

720
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: we paid for it. So so I wanted to know

721
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: does that still happen or do you think it's possible

722
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 1: that people could be misidentifying like secret craft from Lockheed

723
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: Martin or something like that. Just add on the back

724
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: end of that, Ben, I mean, it does feel like

725
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 1: there is uh indication in that disclosure document. That's certainly

726
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:10,239
Speaker 1: a category in that disclosure document of like tech that

727
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 1: exists but isn't officially acknowledged yet. I mean they don't

728
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 1: go so far as to say that exactly, but I

729
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: feel like they're pointing to that as being one possibility.

730
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:21,439
Speaker 1: But yes, interested, please, what do you think about that?

731
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 1: The idea of this this craft that can go from

732
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 1: sky to ground to water, like, is that something that

733
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 1: maybe exists they're working on we just don't know about

734
00:40:31,239 --> 00:40:32,919
Speaker 1: it yet they're not ready to acknowledge it, or maybe

735
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 1: it's the kind of thing they don't want the public

736
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 1: to know about. Well, I mean there's uh, you guys

737
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 1: make some great points, and so we can kind of

738
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: break it into uh several boxes here. One in particular

739
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: would be, uh, there is technology. There are secret planes

740
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: and things that we have that is either reverse technology

741
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,439
Speaker 1: from some of the fouling or crass crafts. And then

742
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: you know, there's been also saying that some of the

743
00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 1: beings themselves are helping governments with technology as well. So

744
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: all of these things are out there, okay, but when

745
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,400
Speaker 1: it comes down to, uh, you know some of the

746
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 1: other stuff that that you know, like you see with

747
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: these governments and in the different companies. You know, one

748
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: of the surprising part for them to do this is

749
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: to move a lot of that technology to the private

750
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: sector anyway. Why because there's no fo your acts for

751
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: the private company, we can't request information, so they can

752
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 1: hide it. All they do is funded and still you know,

753
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 1: and still to say on top of it. So you're

754
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,399
Speaker 1: gonna see you seeing a lot of that. That's what's

755
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 1: going on. Yeah, yeah, so that's that's one of the

756
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: reasons that that's happening. So when you look back at

757
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: the separation of that, yeah, we got technology and we

758
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: have things for their now, uh, to to off set

759
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,080
Speaker 1: the public perception, why not let one of these things

760
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 1: zip across so that we can confuse the fact that

761
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: there's UFOs when it was a secret plane. So that

762
00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: adversary isn't everything else, you know, it just don't get

763
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 1: out there. But let's go with what you said last

764
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: is you got something that's coming out of water, sea, air,

765
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:17,000
Speaker 1: in space. If that was one of our adversaries, game over.

766
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 1: And you think one of them would have been hiding

767
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 1: it for sixty years of technology and not trying to

768
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: and let in the United States be the governing body

769
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,920
Speaker 1: of the most of the world right now and we

770
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: have the most fear military might in this planet, and

771
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 1: and we're gonna reign supreme. And when they got something

772
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: that can just wipe and we can't even catch it,

773
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: filer it, do nothing with it, they're not holding on

774
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: that just because oh, we just don't want abody to know,

775
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: you know now, So I think at the end of

776
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,440
Speaker 1: the day, we're dealing with something that we don't know

777
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: where it is, and when it goes deeper, it has

778
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: all to do with water, right uh. And because you know,

779
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: we know that the Earth is seventy three water and

780
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,160
Speaker 1: man has only explored three percent of that. We can't

781
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: even we have nothing to go to the bottom of

782
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: the ocean period, So if they were there and that's

783
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,359
Speaker 1: the place to hide, which of all, I know our

784
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: our UFO sightings come out of water. And so with

785
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: that being said, all of that connects to we're dealing

786
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 1: with something that has better technology and could possibly been

787
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,839
Speaker 1: here all this time. So there's a this thing can

788
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: go a lot of places. But what we do know

789
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: is in ain't hours, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, And

790
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:38,360
Speaker 1: then I really appreciate, uh, touching on the point about water.

791
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: It's something that we've explored on the show. Noel, Matt

792
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 1: and I, um gosh. Years years back, we were reading

793
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: the reports and you know, these things came out as

794
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 1: like studies in in universities or trade journals, and half

795
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:59,200
Speaker 1: of them were written by very very concerned professors and researchers,

796
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:03,240
Speaker 1: and the other half were written by private sector researchers,

797
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,239
Speaker 1: you know, the Morgan Stanley's who are like, let's buy

798
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:10,439
Speaker 1: up all the fresh water. Uh. When when we look

799
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 1: at the world today, anybody listening to this show or

800
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:16,720
Speaker 1: listening to Extra Terrestrial Evidence looks at the world today,

801
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: it's not a stretch to say that things overall are

802
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:28,080
Speaker 1: becoming increasingly unsustainable in some ways, Like we are seeing

803
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 1: parts of the world become more and more difficult to inhabit,

804
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: you know, like the like where you said, is it

805
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 1: hot in Texas? It's sure getting hotter in the Middle East. Uh.

806
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 1: Do do you see any connection with what people would

807
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 1: say is growing instability just in the Earth's systems like

808
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 1: the weather system and so on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Well

809
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 1: call which will you know, like the fact that the

810
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 1: climate has um become more inhospitable for people in different

811
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: regions of the world. Do you see any connection with

812
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:11,279
Speaker 1: that um between that and the more mainstreaming of the

813
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: conversation about UFOs I. I I just wonder because it seems

814
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: like they kind of rose and step recently. Well they

815
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: they are, they have resident step like you said, but

816
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,400
Speaker 1: right in plain sight, Jeff Bezo said, we need to

817
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 1: take industries off for Earth to save Earth because there's

818
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,280
Speaker 1: a lot of there's a lot of things that we're

819
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:35,320
Speaker 1: using in doing is polluting the atmosphere, whether it's causing

820
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: global change atmospheric change. But he has a mission to say, Okay,

821
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 1: let's move some of these highly crazy things that is

822
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: happening or the manufacturing certain things. We need to take

823
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:51,800
Speaker 1: them off the planet. So that that that mandated mission

824
00:45:51,840 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 1: is already in place. It's going one way or the other,

825
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 1: and we can't We're not gonna stop that. So that

826
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 1: could validate what you're saying that there can activity now

827
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: as far as just the extraterrestrials, like one of the

828
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: movies I think where that they was heating up the

829
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: planet real slow. You know who played in that? Uh oh,

830
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 1: I forget the guy, but it was an alien movie

831
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 1: where they was in Mexico desert and uh, anyway, he'd

832
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: probably come to me a little later, but anyway, that

833
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: was a movie where they was really just putting this

834
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: Greenhouse effect real slowly into our atmosphere and it was

835
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 1: trying to take a couple hundred years, but the heat

836
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: up the planet so that the reptilian style, uh, extraterrestrial

837
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 1: had v It was the guy his brother and Mao

838
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: Esteves brother, Charlie Sheen played in the movie. Yeah, and

839
00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: remember and they had this little ball that would drop

840
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: on the floor and it eats up everything. And then

841
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 1: at the end of the the little kid legs bent backwards

842
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:51,359
Speaker 1: and he ran off. You know, he was like, I'm

843
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 1: gonna tell everyone, I'm literally was it the Arrival? The Arrival? Yeah,

844
00:46:56,480 --> 00:47:00,080
Speaker 1: that's the way it was. So, you know, they so

845
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 1: a lot of these things. Again, it's time to movies,

846
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: I say too. So you know, we we get a

847
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: little you know, tip of what's happening out there. But

848
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,040
Speaker 1: I can't say for sure that uh it has anything

849
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 1: to do with the UFO u AP phenomenon with the

850
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: global changes, but it could be possibly where our Earth

851
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: atmosphere is changing, whether exterrestials think we are destroying the

852
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: planet once again and that there's some intervention needs to happen.

853
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: But definitely, Uh, if you go back to the industry side, Uh,

854
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 1: Jeff Azo just did a Pakes press conference and he said,

855
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 1: we got we gotta say the planet and we need

856
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 1: to move some of these things off the planets. Right.

857
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 1: Glad he's doing something positive with the stimulus check finally,

858
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:49,440
Speaker 1: well you know he and and that's what most people

859
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 1: didn't know. I I tell people all the time, I said,

860
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: you remember your six hundred dollar stimulus check you got

861
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: back in December or Jane where Yeah, Well in that

862
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 1: thing was a COVID package. Was that it was in?

863
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 1: That was the uh what the government had to have

864
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: releasing sixty and eighty days or hundred eighty days about

865
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: the UFOs. And like what I said, yeah, I was

866
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: right there in the six hy you know. You know,

867
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 1: so it's like they blind us one way with one

868
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: thing and then roll out something else. But again, I

869
00:48:17,239 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: said again to your audience people just watching, you know

870
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 1: and listening to your podcast YouTube channel. Nothing, uh, timing

871
00:48:25,800 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 1: wise is greater than where we are now, because there's

872
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: things is unfolding and it's just the beginning. They was

873
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,439
Speaker 1: hiding it back in the sixties and forties. Um, and

874
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: even then, it's it's changed now. And I think you

875
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: said something earlier. I was gonna kind of uh bring

876
00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: into the conversation. You know, the Brooker's Report. If anybody

877
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: know about that, you know, they can google it. Um.

878
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: This was a report that was commissioned by NASA back

879
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 1: in the forties, I think where they wanted a the

880
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: Brookings Institute to do a report on how the public

881
00:49:00,560 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 1: receive or tend to UFO phenomenal if they were to

882
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:07,719
Speaker 1: reveal it. And they came back and said, heh, hell no,

883
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,000
Speaker 1: don't tell him nothing. They can't handle it. And it

884
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: goes back to the Will Smith movie. Remember and I'm

885
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: a movie buff. Remember Men and Black when they sat

886
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: out there on the bill, him and Tommy Lee when

887
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: he first found the first one, when he found out

888
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: about there was aliens, and Will Smith says, you know,

889
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 1: he says, man, why we won't tell him and people

890
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:30,919
Speaker 1: are smart, and Tommy Lee looks at and said, yeah,

891
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,439
Speaker 1: person is, but people are dumb and stupid. We can't

892
00:49:33,480 --> 00:49:36,200
Speaker 1: tell them. So the Brookie Reports said that back then,

893
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: But the only thing that they did say that was

894
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: shocking was the worst hit community if this was revealed,

895
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:46,480
Speaker 1: the worst hit hit community mentally was going to be

896
00:49:46,600 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: the scientific community. And I didn't really realize what they said.

897
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: Why they mentioned that back when I read it a

898
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 1: year or so ago, but now I get it today

899
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 1: is because I know now the scientific community doesn't work

900
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: like what we do just finding research they need. They're

901
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,280
Speaker 1: not gonna go off what we call a hypothesis versus

902
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: the theory. Right, this is just hypothesis what we're talking about,

903
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: But they gotta have theoretical this is happening, that UFOs

904
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: coming at the same time every day. Now we can

905
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:17,120
Speaker 1: predict the fact that that's real, that this is going

906
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: to happen. And because these anomalies don't happen that way

907
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:23,759
Speaker 1: and they haven't yet to get one to analyze it,

908
00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: they're not with the program of seeing UFOs exist, but

909
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: they're coming along slowly. But I get and I understand

910
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:36,240
Speaker 1: that that's something that's so strange about that report because

911
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: another another piece of what they say, or what Brooking

912
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 1: says in that report is that they basically say, correct

913
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:47,680
Speaker 1: me if I'm if I'm getting this wrong project. But

914
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: I think they basically say, if you are a scientist,

915
00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 1: we're an engineer, physicist, or whatever, and you know that

916
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,320
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, there's this technology that maybe literally

917
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: light years beyond our our own Um, what do you

918
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: do if you run into some hard limit, like this

919
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: is technology that humans haven't made because the human brain

920
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: just isn't the right hardware for it. That's got to

921
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 1: be kind of a kick in the paths, right, That's

922
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: that's no moment. It's like that movie and again I'm

923
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: just a movie buff when the world was gonna end

924
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: and they went to go the core where they were

925
00:51:27,160 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 1: drilling down and he said and the guy says, well,

926
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:34,359
Speaker 1: what you call this on whatever? Why? Everywhere? I don't know.

927
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: It's just something new, you know. And that's what the

928
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:38,880
Speaker 1: scientists probably would do, is like, we don't know what

929
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: period table? What is that? You know? But we have

930
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:43,880
Speaker 1: a lot of intelligent scientists, so it wouldn't take them

931
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: long to figure it out. They just need to be

932
00:51:46,080 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: able to test it. And that's what the government is

933
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: not doing, uh in most cases, is giving that stuff

934
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 1: out so our scientists catch us up. Um. And and

935
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,239
Speaker 1: that's another part with this military thing and where people

936
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: don't really understand the whole part purpose of this thing.

937
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't just to tell us it was the time

938
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,840
Speaker 1: for our government to say it's time for you guys

939
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: to uh compartment, just put everything in one place. Because

940
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: we have all these different branches of military that has

941
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 1: their own files on UFOs, but nobody's telling each other,

942
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 1: you know. And well even with our own government, I mean,

943
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,319
Speaker 1: like you do you talk about Space Force, You talk

944
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: about Space Force, And there was that show Space Force

945
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: with Steve correll Um that kind of satirized the idea

946
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:34,319
Speaker 1: of this, you know, new branch of the military. But

947
00:52:34,520 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 1: it does really effectively and what I would consider like

948
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: something along the lines of like Doctor Strangelove. It shows

949
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: how little cooperation there is between the scientists that the

950
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 1: government hires and the government officials that oversee them and

951
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 1: that are their handlers. They don't want them to work

952
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: outside of their like pay grade. They don't want them

953
00:52:52,520 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: to discover things. They want to keep them within a

954
00:52:55,680 --> 00:53:00,080
Speaker 1: very specific range of activities, and the moment that starts

955
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: to you know, quote unquote threaten the mission or there's

956
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 1: information of the scientists are like, it's my duty as

957
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 1: a member of the scientific community to let people know.

958
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: That's when they start cutting funding and dismantling their work

959
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:14,759
Speaker 1: groups and all of that stuff. So there really is

960
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:18,880
Speaker 1: this clash always between the scientific community and the government,

961
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:23,120
Speaker 1: even when they're working exupposedly together. Oh my god. Yeah,

962
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: and you don't even talk about free energy and all

963
00:53:25,640 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: these rumors of where technology is going and that beast

964
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,719
Speaker 1: of a conversation. But yeah, you know, and again our

965
00:53:33,760 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 1: militaries are not well, they're supposed to now, but there

966
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:40,240
Speaker 1: have not been working together. And you got the Navy

967
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: who had their files. You've got the Air Force who

968
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: had their files, c I, A FPI, the Army, and

969
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: the list goes on and on. And it could be

970
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,720
Speaker 1: the same UFO that popped up out of the ocean

971
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: and our navy saw it right and they got their reports,

972
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 1: and then that same thing it's lining up in the sky.

973
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: So navy does have planes. But then because it can

974
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,000
Speaker 1: move dirty five hundred miles an hour and speed of light,

975
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: it's gone, and now the Air Force picks it up

976
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: over Texas and now they got files. Oh we saw

977
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: a UFO. Now they ain't talking to them to say

978
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: it's the same one. And then the same thing flies

979
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: down and maybe do a little cat and all the mutilation.

980
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,239
Speaker 1: It lands, and you know, I'm just hypothetically speaking against here,

981
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:25,920
Speaker 1: you know, and it ducks somebody. Now we got the

982
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 1: FBI and the Army got third files on it, and

983
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: then if it crashed, the Army getting it now okay,

984
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 1: and all of these it could have been the same

985
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 1: UFO that went through this whole process, but we got

986
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:42,000
Speaker 1: separate chambers of files and they're not bringing it together.

987
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: So with the space for us, hopefully now it'll start

988
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: bridging some of this. And and I'm sure with the

989
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:50,319
Speaker 1: factions of our government that's still not happening right now,

990
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: but we gotta do something. And in the fact that

991
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: you know, all these different military branches has reverse technology

992
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:01,720
Speaker 1: from things, and then like I said, the corporate sector

993
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 1: and all that, it's just so much going on. But

994
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 1: I just think for us as individuals, um that it's

995
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,480
Speaker 1: just time for us to, like my tagline said, it's

996
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: time to believe, right and and that's what we have

997
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,080
Speaker 1: to do. And so when I do my shows in Clubhouse,

998
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:20,799
Speaker 1: you know, I get a lot of people sharing their experiences.

999
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: So I've created a place where you can come and

1000
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: share your experiences and there's no ridicue because they're I mean,

1001
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 1: I have doctors, lawyers, people talking about the experiences that

1002
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 1: they normally wouldn't have talked about. Uh. They can't talk

1003
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: to their spouses or the co workers. They can't. It's

1004
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: only been whispered at the water coolers. But now because

1005
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: we have this one environment, Uh I like Twitter where

1006
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,880
Speaker 1: you're just tweeting, ain't YouTube where you know they can watch.

1007
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 1: But with this clubhouse, they can talk about it together.

1008
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: And that's what I've created, and it's growing so rapidly

1009
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: and now it's much more than UFOs to me because

1010
00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: now you know, we we spent so much time being

1011
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,799
Speaker 1: you know, focus in on what's in the sky. I

1012
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:03,400
Speaker 1: think it's an a for us to pay attention on

1013
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: what's happened and people on the ground, and that's where

1014
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 1: we are now. You know, that's really one of the

1015
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: things that stands out about the conversations yet because they

1016
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: are indeed conversations and if you're listening now and you

1017
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 1: have you have a story to tell or like like

1018
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: you said, Roderick, you are someone who feels maybe uh

1019
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:26,800
Speaker 1: you you're not in a comfortable space to talk about

1020
00:56:26,840 --> 00:56:29,800
Speaker 1: something like this, it's very important or to ask questions

1021
00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 1: right then this can be the place for you. Um Noel,

1022
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:39,439
Speaker 1: you and I have I think we didn't even talk

1023
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: about it. We just hang out so much that I'm sure,

1024
00:56:43,080 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: uh you clocked the thing in Roderick's background just there

1025
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,520
Speaker 1: above Roderick's top left is one of my favorite posters ever,

1026
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:55,720
Speaker 1: and I think one of yours too, classic X files

1027
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:00,960
Speaker 1: Molder's office poster. I want to believe and that that

1028
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,760
Speaker 1: leads us uh to to you know, speculate. The spirit

1029
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 1: of our good pal Matt Frederick or co host is

1030
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: here as well, because that is his favorite poster, and

1031
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: he's gonna be sad that he missed this conversation. So

1032
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,280
Speaker 1: I'd like to be able to give him a little

1033
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: bit of good news. When it can people find extraterrestrial

1034
00:57:19,160 --> 00:57:22,080
Speaker 1: evidence on the clubhouse. When can they tune in? They

1035
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 1: can tune in weekly and that's weekly with two ease

1036
00:57:25,960 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: now w E A K. And that's at Nappy m Central,

1037
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 1: UH do a show every Wednesday, and uh, and if

1038
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: they miss some of the shows, they can go to

1039
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,120
Speaker 1: the podcast you know, Spotify, Apple and they can hear

1040
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:44,240
Speaker 1: because usually out transfer, but usually it's gonna be a

1041
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: week or two behind. I do that purposely because you know, uh,

1042
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:49,919
Speaker 1: it keeps him from missing the show in real time.

1043
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,640
Speaker 1: But then I get a lot of people say, oh no, no,

1044
00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: I want to come here in real time because I

1045
00:57:53,240 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 1: want to be involved in the conversation. So they can

1046
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,320
Speaker 1: go to a clubhouse. They can download the app. Okay,

1047
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: there's no you know, invite anymore, so Android iOS anybody

1048
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: just go there. Make sure you uh you know, search

1049
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:10,840
Speaker 1: for the club extra trust or evidence. You'll see twenty

1050
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,800
Speaker 1: some thousand members. You'll see the alien head and then

1051
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 1: uh follow the club. It's important that you do this.

1052
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: And because clubhouse is growing so fast that that algorithm

1053
00:58:21,600 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: is still trying to catch up. Uh. So if you

1054
00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: don't hit that alert the greenhouse and follow the alerts

1055
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: of the club and then follow me as the speaker,

1056
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: you won't get notified. You would, but if you you

1057
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: could miss them, Okay, so definitely they follow it the

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Speaker 1: club joint because it'll automatically, it'll put you into the

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Speaker 1: club and then follow me as the speaker itself. And

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Speaker 1: in any time that uh that I am speaking in

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00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: mostly ninety nine percent, I do speak on the UFO topic.

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Speaker 1: I don't just kind of go into a bird watching

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Speaker 1: room and then you come in and I mean they're

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Speaker 1: talking about bird watching. So I keep it you know there. Um,

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think people should do it. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a it's a place they'll be definitely shocked on

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00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 1: what you hear, but then they may trigger them to

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Speaker 1: get part of the conversation. And that's the moon. And

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Speaker 1: I have guests there all the time. I had Linda

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Speaker 1: Molten Howie. Uh if you know of her, you know,

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Speaker 1: Billy Carson Whitley streamer. Just the other night he pops

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Speaker 1: in and out of our room. Uh, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the list goes on and on and tomorrow I'll be

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Speaker 1: getting on a plane going to shoot a documentary with

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Speaker 1: one of the largest, uh one of the big streaming

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Speaker 1: shows that I can't say who the name right now,

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Speaker 1: but uh yeah, so it's it's it's it's growing. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The the I think the atmosphere of work we are

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00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: the greatness of what you guys are doing. You know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying and telling teaching people things that they

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Speaker 1: don't want you to know. And this is a great place. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just glad to be here to be part

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00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:53,600
Speaker 1: of your show. So, oh man, we're glad to have you.

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Speaker 1: This is a really cool conversation when a lot of

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00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: places that I wasn't expecting for sure, Um, what where

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00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:00,800
Speaker 1: else can people find you on the internet? Do you tweet?

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01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: Do you have Instagram or anything else like that? Uh?

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01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: If they want to see everything in one place, go

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01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 1: to Roderick Martin dot com. And then that I'll have

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01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:12,959
Speaker 1: listen to the YouTube channel. I just did my first TikTok. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Then yeah, right, so I'm like, okay, well we gotta

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01:00:16,200 --> 01:00:19,280
Speaker 1: go there and then uh, you know, do YouTube kids

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Speaker 1: for the kids for the kids, and and you know

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Speaker 1: the funny thing about it, guys, You guys know ET, right,

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Speaker 1: the movie ET. Yeah, Well, I was doing this thing

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Speaker 1: I call e t on the streets is what I'm

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01:00:28,800 --> 01:00:31,440
Speaker 1: working on, And just recently I went out there and

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Speaker 1: and there's a group of kids, it was probably twenty

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Speaker 1: three and I said something about ET, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: what's that so you guys never heard of ET know,

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Speaker 1: and that's wouldn't have down on me because when I

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Speaker 1: used to do my clubhouse shows, you know, I get

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Speaker 1: some of the scholars, man, we heard that before. We're here,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, but now my audience is like twenty

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Speaker 1: five to forty four, and that's like and they're not

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Speaker 1: they don't remember the stories ET and they never heard

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Speaker 1: of you know. And so now now I'm going back

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Speaker 1: up with some of the old stuff and they love it. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and you know, bringing them up to speed, you know.

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Speaker 1: And so we do have a you know, a generation

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Speaker 1: that don't know close encounts the third time when they

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Speaker 1: hear that, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's kind of like, uh,

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Speaker 1: you remember those stories a few years ago when those

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Speaker 1: kids were discovering the Beatles and going to their parents

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Speaker 1: and saying, hey, I found the most amazing band and

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Speaker 1: I know you used to like music and they were like,

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Speaker 1: oh really, you just made that discovery and so it's

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Speaker 1: it's yeah, so anyway, you know, again, they can go

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Speaker 1: to Robert mart dot com. They'll link them to all

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Speaker 1: everything that I'm doing, so they can it'll tell them

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Speaker 1: in the clubhouse next show to YouTube channel the podcast,

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Speaker 1: they can get access to everything from there, or didn't

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Speaker 1: get on the text list, which is text Robberick dot com.

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Speaker 1: They can get on that. And but you know, at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, you know, it's it's that time.

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Speaker 1: I think we are about to really embark on a

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Speaker 1: journey and I'm just glad to get it. I do

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Speaker 1: hopes that I'm able to get into my community more because,

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Speaker 1: like we said earlier in the show, is taboo, uh

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Speaker 1: and there's no one really talking about it there to

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Speaker 1: kind of condition people for what is coming. And that's

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Speaker 1: another place that I would like to try to reach

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Speaker 1: and and go. You know, it's a slow move because

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Speaker 1: again it is a taboo subject. But I think pretty

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Speaker 1: soon I can make some handway. And with that, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for your time today. Roderick can't wait

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Speaker 1: to uh stay in contact as we hear more things developing.

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Speaker 1: I think we can all agree that these stories are

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Speaker 1: accelerating right and the press is paying more attention. So,

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Speaker 1: as Roderick said, check out his website. Check out also

1141
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Speaker 1: extraterrestrial evidence on Clubhouse and hey, if you're all if

1142
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Speaker 1: you happen to be online, Noel, I I heard this

1143
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: rumor that people can learn about our show as well.

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Speaker 1: Do you like that tortured segway there? So appropriate? That's right.

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Speaker 1: We are in fact on the internet. That's right. We

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Speaker 1: are in fact on the internet in the usual social

1147
01:03:14,360 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: media places of note, including Twitter and Facebook and YouTube,

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01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: where we are conspiracy stuff or conspiracy Stuff show on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: You can also find Ben and I on the Internet

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01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: as individual human people. I am on Instagram exclusively at

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01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 1: how now Noel Brown. You can check out my behind

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Speaker 1: the scenes research misadventures on Instagram at Ben Boland bow

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Speaker 1: l I n or on Twitter at Ben Boland h

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Speaker 1: s W. You can also, if you're not super into

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Speaker 1: the sip in the social meds, give us a call directly.

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Speaker 1: We have a phone number one eight three three s

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Speaker 1: T d W Y T k uh. Drop a line,

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Speaker 1: give give us your story, give yourself a cool nickname.

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Speaker 1: You've got three minutes. Those are your minutes. Uh. Most importantly,

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Speaker 1: let us know if we can use name and voice

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Speaker 1: on the show. And even more importantly than most importantly,

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Speaker 1: don't feel like you have to edit yourself. These stories

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Speaker 1: are important. So if you have something that needs more

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Speaker 1: than three minutes to explain, you have some links you

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01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,480
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Speaker 1: write us an email. We'd love to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: do is drop us a line where we are conspiracy

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