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Speaker 3: I just saw this story.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad my staff alerts me to the very biggest

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Speaker 3: No, not Michigan football.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles positivity rabbit has been yanked from the Eagles

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Speaker 1: locker room. So Nick Seriyani, mister, he totally gets the

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Speaker 1: vibe of the locker room with a big swing and

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Speaker 1: a miss on the old positivity rabbit.

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Speaker 3: They didn't even get the holiday right.

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Speaker 1: Christmas is in two weeks and I got an Easter.

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Speaker 3: Rabbit in there.

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Speaker 1: Come on, so uh yeah, yeah, this this whole thing

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Speaker 1: feels cringey in a reach I can't unsee and unhear

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Speaker 1: Saquon Barkley's reaction when that goofy thing was inserted into

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Speaker 1: the locker room a week ago. Just watch his body

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Speaker 1: language in his eyes.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea.

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Speaker 5: I don't I'm not into like holidays and like bunnies

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Speaker 5: and Christmas. I do to Christmas stuff. I got kids,

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Speaker 5: but like I'm not really big like joyful holiday person.

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Speaker 5: I guess so I don't know why. I think that's

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Speaker 5: really the only spot we can put a big bunny.

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Speaker 5: But I was told, uh, it's uh vibe bunny, uh,

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Speaker 5: and the vibes are high. So there we go.

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Speaker 3: See, you didn't sign off when I'm being in front

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Speaker 3: of your locker.

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Speaker 5: Didn't sign off from a locker not at all.

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Speaker 1: Feels like a Howie Roseman plant to get him whacked.

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Speaker 1: Eventually that thing was cringey. Well whatever, Uh, here's what's not.

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Speaker 1: Greg co Sel, forty years NFL Films is joining us.

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Speaker 1: This is a really interesting weekend. We kind of know

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Speaker 1: what everybody is by this time in the season, right.

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Speaker 1: Some young players maybe getting better. I do think bo

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Speaker 1: Nix has played a little better. When I look at

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Speaker 1: the Bills and the Patriots New England, I still feel

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Speaker 1: needs another draft. Although they've been great, they've played an

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Speaker 1: easier schedule. What would worry me is if I was

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Speaker 1: a Buffalo fan, Burrow's probably not going to make the playoffs, right,

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Speaker 1: Mahomes won't make it. Lamar Jackson may not make it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Herbert's got the worst offensive line, if not AFC,

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Speaker 1: in all of football. And yet Buffalo feels like that

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Speaker 1: defense is not good enough. They don't have a downfield

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Speaker 1: consistent receiver. Is it time for a reality check? What

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Speaker 1: does the film say on Buffalo in terms of overall?

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Speaker 1: Like you, I watched the Seahawks, I just see talent.

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Speaker 1: I watch the Rams, I see speed, talent, dexterity. What's

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Speaker 1: the film saying on Buffalo's overall tent? If you take

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Speaker 4: I think you've nailed it, and I think it's been

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Speaker 4: that way for a few years. They are not one

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Speaker 4: of the more talented teams in the league. You'd be

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Speaker 4: hard pressed to name an impact player that they have

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Speaker 4: on the defensive side of the ball. They certainly don't

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Speaker 4: and say he's their best receiver, he's clearly a number

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Speaker 4: three type. He's very good at that, but he's a

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Speaker 4: number three type. So they're really not that good a

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Speaker 4: football team, and I know that there's been a lot

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Speaker 4: to talk about, Well, this is Josh Allen jeer and

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Speaker 4: if he doesn't make it, you know that is so silly.

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Speaker 4: They're just not that good overall from a talent perspective.

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Speaker 4: I mean, look what happened last week. They had the

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Speaker 4: good plays, but fluky. And they couldn't stop the Bengals

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Speaker 4: at all on third down. And I know Bosa didn't play,

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Speaker 4: and he does give you some pass rush, but they

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Speaker 4: in that world every single week, Colin, And you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Ravens have a different issue. I think their

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Speaker 1: So Lamar I think last week Zay had eight or

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Speaker 4: You know, It's funny. I felt over the last couple

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Speaker 4: and I thought that that really helped Lamar be a

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Speaker 4: really consistent pocket quarterback. He throws the ball very very

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Speaker 4: well from the pocket. He's normally a very precise ball

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Speaker 4: location thrower. This year, since he's been back and again,

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Speaker 4: I can't speak to what he feels, but I can

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Speaker 4: only tell you that on the tape he's missing throws

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Speaker 4: if there's a physical reason for that. I don't know

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Speaker 4: if there's a mental reason for that. But he's just

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Speaker 4: just watching his body languages I go back and forth

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Speaker 4: with the clicker watching the tape is I don't think

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Speaker 4: a confidence thing. Now you're getting into a guy's head,

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Speaker 4: which you know I can't do. But you know, he

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Speaker 4: as well, that positive things were going to happen. Now

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Speaker 4: when you see him move, I don't get that same feeling.

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Speaker 1: You know. I said it this week with Jordan Love.

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Speaker 1: If you just look at traits, size, arm movement, you

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Speaker 1: know he's a very very good player. You know, he's young, uneven.

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Speaker 1: There have been times I've bailed. Times I love him,

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Speaker 1: But I do feel this offense now is clicking. Some

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Speaker 4: Well, I think they're a little old school in the

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Speaker 4: But as far as the pass game, they do try

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Speaker 4: I think that one of the things that stands out

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Speaker 4: more willing to be control in the throws that he makes.

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Speaker 4: You know in the past, you now that he was

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Speaker 4: there was a reckless nature to him at times, and

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Speaker 4: every once in a while that might show up. But

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Speaker 4: I think if he doesn't see it down the field,

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Speaker 4: he's much more calculated in dumping the ball down, taking

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Speaker 4: a check down, throwing the ball short, allowing the offense

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Speaker 4: to work. So we'll see how this season plays out.

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Speaker 4: He's a good player, The defense is good. They're a

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to some Bears who lost close

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Speaker 1: to Green Bay at Lambeau. They face the Browns this week.

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Speaker 1: They're a home favorite. How concerned are you with Caleb

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Speaker 1: Williams accuracy or lock thereof?

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Speaker 4: It's a concern he misses too many to use a

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Speaker 4: Curd Warner term layups, and I think those are throws

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Speaker 4: I don't know a rational reason for it, because he'll

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Speaker 4: The ball comes out beautifully and he'll make ridiculously good

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Speaker 4: reason for that. But you know, he's certainly a very

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Speaker 4: but he's going to have to become more consistent with

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Speaker 4: throws that are there. You know, we all see the highlights.

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Speaker 4: We also see the special throws he's capable of that.

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Speaker 4: To me, the number one thing in his improvement and

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Speaker 4: development this year Colin is the fact that he's not

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Speaker 4: getting sacked very much. And believe me, teams have done

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Speaker 4: studies over the years that indicate more often than not

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Speaker 4: that quarterbacks that get sacked a lot in college get

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Speaker 4: not been the case for him this year after leading

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Speaker 1: Yep, all right, let's do our weekly Chaduur update. I

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Speaker 1: think you know I said this. Dylan Gabriel got to

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Speaker 1: He was just more ready initially to play. But Shador's

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Speaker 4: I thought he played very well this week, you know,

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Speaker 4: and you don't me well enough to know I don't

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Speaker 4: make these bold pronouncements about what he's going to do

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Speaker 4: But you know this, you start to see, well, they

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Speaker 4: found their franchise quarterback. Let's let's let him play more reps.

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Speaker 4: Let's let's see him play against you know, good teams.

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Speaker 4: But there's no question what the film showed last week.

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Speaker 4: He was poised, he was calm, He made really good throws.

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Speaker 4: I think he had a sense of where to go

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Speaker 4: And I thought some of the things that stood out

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Speaker 4: the week before he overcame last week. He didn't miss

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Speaker 4: when there were clean looks. I thought last week he

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Speaker 4: played very well. There's no or the way around it.

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Speaker 4: That's what the tape tells you. So the Rams have

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Speaker 4: been a season long heater.

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Speaker 1: And what's scary is there healthy Puka Devonte, the tight ends,

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Speaker 1: it just feels like they just get these wonderful chunk

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Speaker 1: we know they have on defense. What does the film

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Speaker 4: sees it. It's a clean throw. It's a big play.

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Speaker 4: This is a thirty yard play. So this is the

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Speaker 4: because their defense is so good, Donald doesn't have to

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Speaker 4: They definitely want to run the ball better and we'll

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Speaker 1: Greg co Sealizos forty six years NFL Films. Thanks Greg,

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Speaker 1: Thanks Colin, appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Also a story coming up later on Joe Burrow, which

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Speaker 3: It's coming.

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Speaker 6: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa? How are you dropping that? And

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Speaker 6: just going a commercial break? Whoa, he's tired of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Subscribe, hit that thumbs up icon and comment away, I

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Speaker 3: thought this was uh, let me throw this at you.

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Speaker 3: I thought this was very very interesting.

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Speaker 1: There is a very reasonable argument in the pocket Joe

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Speaker 1: Burrow is the best quarterback in the league in terms

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Speaker 1: of third down, fourth down.

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Speaker 3: He's just brilliant.

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Speaker 1: I mean, last nine starts, he's eight and one, and

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Speaker 1: we don't like that roster. But Joe Burrow this week

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Speaker 8: You know, if I want to if I want to

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Speaker 8: keep doing this, I have to have fun doing it.

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Speaker 8: You know, I've been through a lot, and if it's

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Speaker 8: not sure there is a a singular moment or of time.

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Speaker 9: It's just a reflection in reflection on a lot of.

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Speaker 8: Things that I've done and been through in my career.

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Speaker 8: I think I've been through more than most and it's

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Speaker 8: certainly not easy on the brain or the body. So

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Speaker 8: let's trying off. I'm doing it again.

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Speaker 3: Interesting.

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow is not unhappy because the Bingals linebackers can't

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Speaker 1: tackle in space. One of the reasons he's unhappy. He

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Speaker 1: has the cheapest owner in the league and one of

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Speaker 1: the smallest, most ordinary front offices. And he watches Mahomes,

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Speaker 1: and he watches Stafford, and he watches Jordan Love and

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Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and all the talent they have. The Bengals

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Speaker 1: pass blocking grades since Joe Burrow started I'll read you

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Speaker 1: them in order, twenty seventh, twenty ninth, thirty first, twenty second,

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Speaker 1: twenty ninth, twenty seventh, he has consistently had the worst

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Speaker 1: offensive lines. When you're eight and one in your last

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Speaker 1: nine starts and you're not having fun, let me take

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Speaker 1: you back to a line from red in Shawshank Redemption.

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Speaker 1: He said, I have to remind myself that some birds

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Speaker 1: aren't meant to be caged. Their feathers are just too bright.

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Speaker 1: I would add o Tawny with the Angels, Sakuon with

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Speaker 1: the Giants, Lebron in Cleveland, Shack in Orlando, maybe Cage

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Speaker 1: in Minnesota. Carson Palmer and Joe Burrow the franchise, the ownership,

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Speaker 1: the tiny, unspectacular front office, the egregiously bad mostly for

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Speaker 1: Burrow offensive lines. Some birds can't be caged. The feathers

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Speaker 1: too bright. I could read to the rest of that bite.

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Speaker 1: But you get the point. And you heard Burrow. That

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Speaker 1: wasn't a whoa. That was Burrow. That seemed like a

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Speaker 1: happy guy. Find me a quarterback who's what eight of nine?

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Speaker 1: And he's that pensive.

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Speaker 6: Hey, By the way, do you want to guess how

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Speaker 6: old Joe Burrow is? I did not know this. He

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Speaker 6: looks so young.

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Speaker 3: Thirty one.

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Speaker 10: No, he just turned twenty nine yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine.

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Speaker 1: Joe was watching his knees and his body and his career.

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Speaker 1: I said this two years ago. I'd force a trade.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you were really talented. Let's say you're

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Speaker 1: a really, really good salesperson, but you worked at an

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Speaker 1: industry where you couldn't get out of your contract and

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Speaker 1: the company kept giving you lousy products to sell, and

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Speaker 1: your rivals, guys you knew you were a better salesman

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Speaker 1: then were crushing you. They had better products. You just

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Speaker 1: didn't have the blue pill, you didn't have lippotour.

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Speaker 10: Oh jeez, here we go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's Burrow.

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Speaker 1: He's sitting watching all these guys and he can't make

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. Cheapest owner, tiny front office, never aggressive making trades.

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Speaker 1: I do not blame Joe Burrow or any employee if

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Speaker 1: you feel trapped, you're watching less talented rivals, peers, contemporaries

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Speaker 1: because they have better bosses and better management.

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Speaker 3: What if I always said.

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Speaker 1: In this business, don't chase money, chase management. There's a

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Speaker 1: sea of money. There's a finite level of really good

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Speaker 1: people behind the scenes that run networks.

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Speaker 6: Can I ask you, as a member of J and

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Speaker 6: C Consulting, what would you advise Borrow to do in

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Speaker 6: that situation? Because remember, leaving is tough. You're gonna be

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Speaker 6: the villain. KD was the villain for Lee. You won't

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Speaker 6: a lot of lebron Come on at Bernie, You'll be.

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Speaker 1: The villain in Cincinnati. I mean, do they even have

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Speaker 1: an Applebee's? I mean, I mean, I got news for you.

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Speaker 1: If he ends up in blank and Israelly isn't a

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Speaker 1: shot at Cincinnati, It's a shot of the people who

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Speaker 1: own the Bengals. I don't care about Cincinnati, right, Like

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Speaker 1: the truth is, who cares?

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Speaker 3: Oh, you're a villain.

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Speaker 1: Lebron was the biggest star in the world, like globally

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Speaker 1: he was like Rinaldo. Joe Burrow is an NFL quarterback,

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Speaker 1: like he's popular. But there's a lot of them. And

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Speaker 1: my take is I think people in Cincinnati are smart

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Speaker 1: enough to know he's not getting support. Yeah, I don't

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Speaker 1: think people are out there. Like when Lebron left seven

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Speaker 1: years in Cleveland, they couldn't get him a second good player.

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Speaker 6: I understood that. I just don't know how Burrow six

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Speaker 6: is this. This is clearly a plea to ownership. Freaking

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Speaker 6: do something.

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Speaker 5: Guys.

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Speaker 6: Since the Super Bowl, have they done anything Colin like

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Speaker 6: roster wise to get better?

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Speaker 3: They never make.

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Speaker 6: I mean you look at the way the Rams are

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Speaker 6: retooling constantly. The Rams got Davonte Adams, Nate Lanman, their

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Speaker 6: drafts are Dominantmanuel Forbes, and they never make because they

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Speaker 6: have a massive scouting department.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles have a massive scouting department. Sheer numbers volume talent.

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Speaker 1: J Mack with the news, Turn.

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Speaker 4: On the news.

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Speaker 2: This is the Herdline news.

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Speaker 10: Right, Let's go to Justin Herbert.

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Speaker 6: So they had that rousing win on Monday night football

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Speaker 6: surviving the Eagles and then the bad news afterwards, Herbert

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Speaker 6: underwent precautionary X rays to make sure his hand wasn't

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Speaker 6: further damage. Remember he was stiff. Stiff arming is safety

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Speaker 6: in space. Here is Herbert talking about those results yesterday.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, it was pretty sorry, yesh, but I think for

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Speaker 11: the most part, got images done, X rays and everything

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Speaker 11: was clean.

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Speaker 3: For the most part, it was very effective.

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Speaker 11: But now in the moment, I think that was the

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Speaker 11: best thing that I could have done for the team.

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Speaker 11: And you know, getting that first down and doing everything

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Speaker 11: I can to be able to get around that edge,

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Speaker 11: and you know, there's a world where it is effective

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Speaker 11: and maybe I'm staying on my feet and getting more yards.

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Speaker 1: Listen, they were a four and a half point dog.

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Speaker 1: Now they're a five and a half point dog. So

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Speaker 1: the Sharps are pounding the Chiefs.

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Speaker 6: I thought you four and a half to like five

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Speaker 6: and a half. Isn't that your zone where it's like

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Speaker 6: hammer the favorite.

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Speaker 1: I initially at the lower number, I like the Chargers,

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Speaker 1: but if it's five and a half, has always been

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Speaker 1: that space where it's like just take the favor.

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Speaker 6: Tray Smith was at practice yesterday for the Chiefs. Their

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Speaker 6: guard who missed last week. Trent McDuffie's okay, it seems

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Speaker 6: like he's practicing. I'm just gonna remind you the last

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Speaker 6: time the Chargers were on the road, they got smashed

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Speaker 6: by Jacksonville thirty five to six. Justin Herbert's last three games,

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Speaker 6: these are his passing yardage totals eighty one yards, one

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Speaker 6: hundred and fifty one, one hundred and thirty nine in

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Speaker 6: an overtime game.

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Speaker 10: They may get worked.

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Speaker 3: Here this weekend, all right.

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Speaker 10: I mean, I listen, I'm.

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Speaker 6: Rooting Chargers, but I do think if you are going

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Speaker 6: to bet the Chiefs, this is the time for them

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Speaker 6: to make the playoffs. They win this game, all of

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Speaker 6: a sudden, the path is there. They got a couple

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Speaker 6: jokers left on the schedule.

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Speaker 10: Next up Denver Broncos.

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Speaker 6: They enter this game against the who they play Packers

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Speaker 6: on a ten game win streak. Colin, But like New England,

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Speaker 6: they're home underdogs this weekend, which is a little surprising

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Speaker 6: to many, not us. In a recent radio appearance, Sean

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Speaker 6: Payton was asked about being a home dog on a

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Speaker 6: ten game win streak. Here's what he said about that.

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Speaker 9: I don't really pay attention to that until I mean, look,

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Speaker 9: we know we're playing a good football team, and so

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Speaker 9: that's something that we have no control over. Yeah, we look,

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Speaker 9: We've We've got four tough opponents the next four weeks.

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Speaker 9: Three to the four of them we are at home.

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Speaker 9: You know, we're counting on our crowd this week. Our

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Speaker 9: last home game with Kansas City was significant, and I'm

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Speaker 9: counting on it being even at a higher level. So, yeah,

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Speaker 9: we're playing a good team.

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Speaker 3: It's interesting game.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Green Bay comes off highly emotional game

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Speaker 1: against their rival, the Bears.

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Speaker 3: What if they're a.

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Speaker 1: Little flat, that's possible, but an AFC team, some people are.

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Speaker 6: Calling this not we but not us, but a potential

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl preview.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't see it. I'm curious.

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Speaker 6: How do you think bo Knicks fairs against Mike Parsons

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Speaker 6: in company? Because remember they really only rushed four They

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Speaker 6: get to the quarterback and then in the background they've

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Speaker 6: got that zone, which is kind of confusing.

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Speaker 10: Caleb did not make any mistakes, but you know he

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Speaker 10: was extra cautious. They have a good run game. I

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Speaker 10: don't know how Denver moves the ball easily.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a fair question.

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Speaker 1: Scripted drive will be find some of the Bears moving

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Speaker 1: the ball at least twice. Was Caleb making an other

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Speaker 1: worldly play? Ken Bo Nicks to do you trust him

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Speaker 1: to do that on the.

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Speaker 3: Road, He's not Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 10: I agree.

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Speaker 6: By the way, the Bears did not have to carry

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Speaker 6: longer than nine yards last week.

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Speaker 4: No JK.

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Speaker 10: Dobbins.

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Speaker 6: Obviously they got the Meniki. I think this lines up

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Speaker 6: for the Packers.

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Speaker 10: We'll see.

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Speaker 6: We'll see final story. Colin, So, who's the best running

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Speaker 6: back in the NFL? I mean, I think you would

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Speaker 6: and I would have been this season. Gibbs two years ago,

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Speaker 6: Ce Mac last year, Barkley. This year, Gibbs has been

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Speaker 6: unbelievable over fifteen hundred yards from scrimmage, sixteen touchdowns, and

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Speaker 6: McVeigh knows that the Rams defense they're going to have

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Speaker 6: their hands full with Jamaier Gibbs.

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Speaker 12: As an expo explosive of a player as there is

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Speaker 12: in this league. Every single time he touches it, you're like,

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Speaker 12: oh my gosh, he might score, and you know he's

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Speaker 12: He's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: In both phases.

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Speaker 10: You see him compete in protection.

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Speaker 12: You know there was a reason why he was so

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Speaker 12: highly regarded coming out of Bama, and so he is

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Speaker 12: a special, special player and they've got a.

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Speaker 3: Lot of them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the Lions defense without Branch, I think

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Speaker 1: they're going to struggle to make stops, I really do.

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Speaker 10: What about the Rams? Can they contend Gibbs?

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Speaker 4: Now?

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Speaker 6: They shoote see Christian McCaffrey twice a year, so they're

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Speaker 6: very well versed in running backs out of the backfield.

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Speaker 10: You know land Man's having.

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Speaker 1: Im telling you right now those three moves Forbes at corner,

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Speaker 1: lambinet linebacker Devonte Adams. They didn't have a lot of

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Speaker 1: holes to begin with. This rock sensive line. I mean

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Speaker 1: they just kiddy concip line is is I think very good.

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Speaker 1: The two guards are great. The tackles I think right

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Speaker 1: tackle Habenstein probably is last year, can't really block the

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Speaker 1: speed rush. But I Rams and they're gonna go get

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Speaker 1: a corner with one of their first picks.

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Speaker 6: Oh listen, they got Atlanta's pick in the top ten

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Speaker 6: as of right now, remember from that trade that I

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Speaker 6: mean they are Listen, man, Rams are primed.

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Speaker 10: They're in great shape.

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Speaker 6: You know there's some chatter if Stafford wins a Super Bowl,

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Speaker 6: does he retire, then you could use future picks to

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Speaker 6: go get a quarterback, not necessarily Mendoza, but maybe someone

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Speaker 6: existing in the NFL. Who I floated CJ. Stroud a

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Speaker 6: few uh few months ago. Now the Texans have turned

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Speaker 6: things around. Remember Stroud was unhappy there. We just talked

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Speaker 6: about job Burrow Begels won't want to give him up.

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Speaker 6: But it is fun to speculate and listen to the Rams.

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Speaker 6: Can you get us in their draft room so we

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Speaker 6: could figure out the sumber can give.

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Speaker 3: Me in the draft room. Sometimes you're gonna.

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Speaker 6: Leave the like the velvet rope, and I'm just left

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Speaker 6: on the outside with the unwashed masses.

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Speaker 10: Just please let me in.

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Speaker 3: Jay Mack with the news, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by a Herd

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Speaker 2: Line news.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there is.

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Speaker 1: We showed it yesterday. The top the current draft order.

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Speaker 1: They're they're the top twelve teams eight seven minimum eight

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Speaker 1: may want a quarterback. If Dante more stays in college,

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Speaker 1: and there's a likelihood he will will stay in college,

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Speaker 1: supply is not meeting demand. Mendozo go, there's seven hundred

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Speaker 1: teams in a quarterback. So if Ty Simpson stays at Alabama,

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Speaker 1: which I don't. I don't see him as a first

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Speaker 1: round quarterback, So why not just make three four million

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Speaker 1: bucks at Alabama? So it is sometimes supply demand don't connect. Fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Go look right now at the current draft order top

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Speaker 1: twelve teams, because the Rams would like to first three

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Speaker 1: picks get a quarterback somewhere.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 6: Sunday, the Raiders take on Jalen Hurts in the Eagles

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Speaker 6: or other regional action. Then in America's Game of the Week,

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Speaker 6: Jared Goff leads the Lions against Matt Stafford and the

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Speaker 6: Rams in a huge NFC showdown. Or it's the Titans

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Speaker 6: verse the nine Ers or Panther Saints. Check local listings

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Speaker 6: for the games in your area only on Fox. I

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Speaker 6: thought it was a real moment of clarity.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I bring Greg co cell on,

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Speaker 1: I think he makes everybody smarter, myself obviously, he makes

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Speaker 1: me smarter. And then the other thing is Greg doesn't

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Speaker 1: pick a side, he doesn't care. He's you know, he's

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Speaker 1: not telling you anything other than what the film says.

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Speaker 1: That's why I always ask him at the end, what's

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Speaker 1: the film say? And I think he nailed it on Buffalo.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're that talented. Here's Greg co Sell.

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Speaker 4: It'd be hard press to name an impact player that

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Speaker 4: they have on the defensive side of the ball. They

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Speaker 4: certainly don't have a receiving corps. If we look at

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Speaker 4: your Keir and say he's there receiver, he's clearly a

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Speaker 4: number three type. He's very good at that, but he's

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Speaker 4: a number three type. So they're really not that good

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Speaker 4: a football team. And I know that there's been a

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Speaker 4: lot of talk about, well, this is Josh Allen jeer

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Speaker 4: and if he doesn't make it, you know, that is

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Speaker 4: so silly. They're just not that good overall from a

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Speaker 4: talent perspective.

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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, when you're paying your quarterback. I think Josh

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Speaker 1: Allen has the second biggest cap hit in the league.

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Speaker 1: It is harder. I'm not disagreeing with that at all.

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Speaker 1: But there are certain teams in this league, rams Lions, Eagles,

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Speaker 1: you just start looking at their talent, the Texans defense, Seattle,

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Speaker 1: a lot of my favorite gms. I think it's time

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Speaker 1: I said this earlier. It reminds me of when John

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Speaker 1: Elway was in Denver. Dan Reeves was a good coach.

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Speaker 1: They had to go to another level offensively. They got

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Speaker 1: Mike Shanahan and then they got Terrell Davis. This team

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a trustable wide receiver. How is that possible?

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Speaker 1: College football furnishes you with about twenty a year that

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Speaker 1: can play. I mean, how is it possible They don't have,

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Speaker 1: you know, a defensive guy you've got a scheme for,

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Speaker 1: so they can't stop the run. Some of this we

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Speaker 1: all blame quarterbacks and coaches. The front office has missed

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Speaker 1: on picks, and I understand it's hard. I just don't

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Speaker 1: they don't pass the eye test. It's kind of the

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Speaker 1: opposite with Seattle totally past the eye test. We worry

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Speaker 1: about the quarterback in a big spot. With Buffalo love

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Speaker 1: the quarterback. Everything else is arguable. Bruce Feldman stopped by earlier.

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Speaker 1: I think Michigan is going to be fine for a

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Speaker 1: lot of reasons.

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Speaker 3: It's one of.

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Speaker 1: The top ten highest endowments. They got a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: A lot of smart people have gone there. They leave

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Speaker 1: and they come back to the games, and they write checks.

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Speaker 1: And the nil era Michigan is fine. I also think,

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Speaker 1: you know it's early. It's just sevenumber one eleventh. We

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Speaker 1: don't even bowl games haven't been played. The College Football

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Speaker 1: Playoff am I right, December eleventh, so the portal doesn't

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Speaker 1: open until January. I think Michigan's an all time blue

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Speaker 1: blood job. Here's Bruce Feldman.

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Speaker 13: It's the bluest of blue blood jobs. Jim Harbow won

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Speaker 13: a national title, as we know, just a couple of

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Speaker 13: years ago. And there's a lot of good young talents,

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Speaker 13: starting with Bryce Underwood. They signed a top, you know,

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Speaker 13: one of the top running backs in the country.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of pieces to work with.

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Speaker 13: If Penn State didn't hire Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell probably

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Speaker 13: would have been a really good candidate for this job.

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Speaker 13: I don't know what they missed out on. You're Michigan.

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Speaker 13: You're not going to hire Lane Kiffin anyway, right?

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Speaker 1: And I said this, Eardi here with Sharan Moore, the bigger,

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Speaker 1: the legend, you replace, the wider the search has to

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Speaker 1: be to replace him. Belichick leaves New England, They're like,

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Speaker 1: let's just give it to a guy on staff. Disaster.

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Speaker 1: Harball leaves just give it to the co offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: the former line coach. That's not big enough. And I've

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Speaker 1: been watching this my entire life. Let's give it to

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Speaker 1: the coach's son. Let's give it to this, Let's give

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Speaker 1: it to that. Michigan football is a global search job.

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Speaker 1: I mean you you got to go after. To me,

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Speaker 1: I would go after Brian Dable and Kaylin de Boor.

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Speaker 1: I'd go and find a guy in the NFL that's

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Speaker 1: made the playoffs. Brian Dable may not be a college guy. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Here's Bruce Feldman on on earlier on the candidates.

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Speaker 13: If they get knocked out early in the playoff, there's

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Speaker 13: going to be immense pressure mounting on Kaylen de Boor there.

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Speaker 4: I'm not saying.

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Speaker 13: He's gonna definitely bail, but it wouldn't surprise me. He

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Speaker 13: looked at and go, you know what, that might be

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Speaker 13: a better fit for me. Now, you know if like

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Speaker 13: if people are again and that's if he loses.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 3: And I say this respectfully to Alabama and the SEC.

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Speaker 4: The SEC.

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Speaker 1: Ohio State's the only school outside of the SEC that

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Speaker 1: feels like the SEC. I mean, go to a message

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Speaker 1: board for the Buckeyes during a game. If they don't

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Speaker 1: pick up a first down in the second quarter, they

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Speaker 1: want the entire staff fired. They're nuts. The SEC is different,

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Speaker 1: you know. Maybe it's in the footprint. You don't have

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Speaker 1: as many pro sports teams and other things, but it's

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Speaker 1: just it takes years off you unless you dominate like Saban.

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Speaker 1: So Kalin de Bor to Alabama to me was a

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Speaker 1: great hire, but an interesting fit. He's a Midwest guy.

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Speaker 1: I would not leave Alabama for Penn State. I would

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Speaker 1: strongly consider leaving Alabama for Michigan. And Michigan's a different job.

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Speaker 1: They want you to win, but it's not SEC Ohio

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Speaker 1: State level. It's not that level of vitriol and pressure.

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Speaker 3: And Kalen Bor is great.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you the history of college football,

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Speaker 1: going from Saban to Kaylin de Bor. You can't do

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Speaker 1: better than that. You can't.

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Speaker 3: I mean Kalen de Boor.

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Speaker 1: If you look at his career before Alabama, his winning

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Speaker 1: percentage was like eighty percent or higher. So I think

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Speaker 1: Michigan Michigan's great. You get the best of everything. There's money,

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Speaker 1: you don't have to worry about capital in the NIL era,

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Speaker 1: academics are strong, but not unreasonable. You can get good

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Speaker 1: players in the college. It's not Yale, but they're very strong.

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Speaker 1: It's a beautiful place to live. It's got an unbelievable brand.

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Speaker 1: Our next guest went there, Tom Brady. What did Tom major?

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Speaker 1: And I don't think I ever asked him that. Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady next