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Speaker 1: We welcome Florida Congressman Matt Gates. Congressman, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for joining us this evening. You are the driving

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Speaker 1: force behind yesterday's motion to vacate this historic moment. First

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Speaker 1: time in American history, I have a speaker of a

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Speaker 1: house be ousted, and now we have a race between

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Speaker 1: potentially Jim Jordan Steve Scleeze. In the past, you said

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Speaker 1: you would support Steve Scaleze, but you're a friend of

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Speaker 1: Jim Jordan.

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Speaker 2: Who are you going to back?

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm for both of them right now. I'm eager

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Speaker 3: to hear their plans and their vision. But if the

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Speaker 3: House of Representatives goes from the stewardship of Kevin McCarthy

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Speaker 3: to either the stewardship of Jim Jordan or Steve Scalise,

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Speaker 3: that's going to come to the delight of many Conservatives

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Speaker 3: and certainly many of the Floridians that I represent.

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Speaker 2: But it's not just about the person.

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Speaker 3: Both of these folks are honorable, man, It's about the

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Speaker 3: plan they have to reduce spending. We sit a a

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Speaker 3: top of thirty three trillion dollar debt, We're facing two

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Speaker 3: trillion dollar plus annual deficits, and I am worried about

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Speaker 3: global dedollarization. I see what's going on in the African

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Speaker 3: Union where more of those countries are you using local

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Speaker 3: currency when they're selling natural resources. I look to a

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Speaker 3: lot of the golf monarchies and energy producers in the

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Speaker 3: Middle East that are moving away from.

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Speaker 2: The dollar and toward the lawn.

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Speaker 3: Matter of fact, the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia and

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Speaker 3: Iran just in August joined the bricks system, the Brazil, Russia, India, China,

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Speaker 3: South Africa system to dedollarize. That with the latest Reuters

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Speaker 3: survey showing that economic analysts now believe that in twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four you're really going to see a cooling off.

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Speaker 2: Of the dollar. So I believe we have a lot

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Speaker 2: of grinding, say a plan.

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Speaker 1: A lot of critics, sir do say though an expansion

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Speaker 1: of bricks, though, means it actually dilutes it. They cannot

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Speaker 1: coalescerund anything, and that actually helps the fact that the

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Speaker 1: dollar remain the primacy currency on the global stage.

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Speaker 3: I wonder I think that that is not a linear progression, right,

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Speaker 3: because as bricks becomes more institutionalized, you could see more

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Speaker 2: I mean, the real worry.

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Speaker 3: About bricks is the movement of natural resources outside of

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Speaker 3: the dollar or as the Global South continues to develop

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Speaker 3: and pack an even larger punch in the economy. I

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Speaker 3: think that the downgrade from Fitch was largely driven by

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Speaker 3: the fact that there's no real backstop to spending. So

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Speaker 3: here's what we need, no matter who's the speaker. We

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Speaker 3: need a top line budget that at least in the

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Speaker 3: House of Representatives, returns to pre COVID spending levels. And

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Speaker 3: then we need to be able to have single subject

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Speaker 3: spending bills with open amendments, to have programmatic review of

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Speaker 4: Well, Congress, well let's talk a little bit about what

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Speaker 4: just happened. Nobody has ever done this before. It was

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Speaker 4: history making yesterday, the ouster of the Speaker, we're told

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Speaker 4: that you are the least popular man in the House

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Speaker 4: of Representatives, or at least to the Republican Conference. In fact,

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Speaker 4: just yesterday, your Republican colleague from New York, Mike Lawler,

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Speaker 4: suggested violence against you in an interview right around this

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Speaker 4: time yesterday. I'd love for you to hear what he

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Speaker 4: said and have you respond.

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Speaker 2: Here's, mister Lawler.

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Speaker 5: The only thing that I would have done differently is

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Speaker 5: flung it in the direction of one person. Look, he

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Speaker 5: absolutely epitomized the frustrations of the conference and the American peoples.

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Speaker 2: Is that person we need to get? Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 2: would have hit him square between the eyes.

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Speaker 4: He's going to hitch the square between the eyes with

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Speaker 4: the speaker's gavel. He was suggesting, Congressman, do you expect

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Speaker 4: to be expelled from the Republican Conference?

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I think that that was a very frustrated person who's

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Speaker 3: having to come to grips with the stages of grief.

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Speaker 3: My mission is to ensure that the House of Representatives

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Speaker 3: runs better because the way we've been running Washington, d C.

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Speaker 3: For the last thirty years has led us to a

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Speaker 3: point where no one is really responsible for the spending.

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Speaker 3: We are backed up against shut down politics. We are

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Speaker 3: you know, analysis that we have to apply to how

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Speaker 3: the federal dollar is being spent at a time like this,

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Speaker 3: so I'm not much for political violence.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to hit anybody.

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Speaker 3: If Mike Lawler comes at me with a gavel, I'm

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Speaker 2: But that's not the direction I think we ought to go.

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Speaker 3: I think we ought to maybe craft a budget before

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Speaker 3: an attack strategy.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, Kevin McCarthy says this was personal. He

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Speaker 4: spoke about this at length yesterday that he's seen texts.

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Speaker 4: He said involving an ethics probe against you. Congressman, what

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Speaker 4: do you know about the status of this investigation. Have

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Speaker 2: You know, I haven't.

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Speaker 3: I've answered all the questions I've been asked, and I

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Speaker 3: am the most investigated man in the United States Congress.

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Speaker 3: I have been cleared by the FBI, the DOJ, the

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Speaker 3: Federal Elections Commission had a five to zero vote to

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Speaker 3: clear me, and the people who told vicious lies about

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Speaker 3: me two years ago are now sitting in federal prison

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Speaker 3: for being part of a criminal fraud scheme to shake

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Speaker 3: have never asked Kevin McCarthy to assist me in that matter,

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Speaker 3: and sometimes people try to make policy failures personal because

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Speaker 3: Keviny McCarthy talks about this conflict being personal, I think

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Speaker 3: it's more projection than a sober analysis of where the

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Speaker 3: House stands. Like if Kevin McCarthy had passed a budget

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Speaker 3: bills regardless of whatever's going on, he would still be

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Speaker 3: the Speaker today. It was his unwillingness to do that

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Speaker 1: Congressman, I believe you're alluding to Stephen Alford, who is

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Speaker 1: in prison, but he is not in prison for what

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Speaker 1: the DOJ was investigating you on, which was sexual allegations

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Speaker 1: of trafficking a minor. He was in prison for trying

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Speaker 1: an individual out of Iran a hostage, and also potentially

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Speaker 1: a pardon for you. And yes the DOJ has not

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Speaker 1: pressed charges. But what Joe was asking about the House ethics,

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Speaker 1: and that's very broad. The list is quite long in

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Speaker 1: looking at at allegation of sexual misconduct, campaign finance violations,

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Speaker 1: Have they discussed any of these issues with you directly?

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Speaker 2: Those things are all false.

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Speaker 3: Those things were all investigated by the FBI and DOJ

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Speaker 3: officials who hate me for years.

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Speaker 2: They turned out to nothing.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get the DJ didn't find so much as

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Speaker 2: So I'm not at all concerned about this.

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Speaker 3: This is a distraction to try to not confront the

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Speaker 3: substance of argument I'm making about spending. I'm making an

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Speaker 3: follow the law and have a budget. And the response

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Speaker 3: these things have been thoroughly reviewed. Like you mentioned campaign

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Speaker 3: finance violations, I think appropriate context for you is the

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Speaker 3: knowledge that the Federal Elections Commission looked into those things

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Speaker 3: and found by a five to zero vote, that I

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Speaker 3: had done nothing wrong. So I am the most investigated man.

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Speaker 3: I am the most exonerated man. And Stephen Alford was

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Speaker 3: absolutely part of using vicious lies to commit a criminal

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Speaker 3: wasn't successful.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But going back to twenty twenty one, Joel Greenberg, an

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Speaker 1: individual who is in prison who cooperate extensively with the

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Speaker 1: Justice Department about this chex trafficking probe, had said on

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Speaker 1: more than one occasion, this individual is involved in sexual

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Speaker 1: because of this. This is a letter he wrote, as

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Speaker 1: obtained by The Daily Beast. Are you concerns about these allegations.

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Speaker 1: I know you say the DOJ did not press charges.

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Speaker 2: This information is.

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Speaker 1: Out there and the House ex rice and it was

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Speaker 3: I can assure you that those claims will never be

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Speaker 3: Joel Greenberg is in prison now is because he falsely

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Speaker 3: it's like thoroughly unserious that you guys are trying to

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Speaker 4: I want to ask you about Donald Trump Congress when

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Speaker 4: he was questioning Republican infighting in a post on truth

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Speaker 4: social that I'm sure you saw. But you speak with

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Speaker 4: him personally, you have a close relationship. What does he

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Speaker 4: make of all of this? When's the last time we

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Speaker 3: I talked to President Trump pretty regularly, and he has

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Speaker 3: been thoroughly encouraging of my efforts, and I look forward

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Speaker 3: if we're not having a speaker vote and I can

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Speaker 4: Did he not call you last night after that history

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into exactly when I speak

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Speaker 1: I want to also ask you about what's going on

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Speaker 1: in appropriation bills.

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Speaker 2: There's an ear.

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Speaker 1: Mark that is for fifty million dollars for your district,

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Speaker 1: and Jake Sherman of Punchbowl News is saying potentially that

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Speaker 1: might get killed now because of the events that unraveled

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Speaker 1: the past twenty four hours. Are you nervous about this?

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Speaker 1: For the helicopter hangar that you were hoping to get

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Speaker 1: those funds.

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Speaker 3: For, well, I certainly hope that people wouldn't be so

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Speaker 3: torqued over what's happened that they would deprive our national

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Speaker 3: He said that Jake Sherman's report is false, that they

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Speaker 3: expect that that fifty million dollars for Northwest Florida to

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Speaker 3: support our aviation training mission will be there. Again, that's

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Speaker 3: not something for me. That's something for our service members

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Speaker 3: well maintained and able to be used for training.

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Speaker 4: Congress, when I want to just get back to where

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Speaker 4: we started, while we have you with us, you accuse

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Speaker 4: Kevin McCarthy on the floor of the House of cutting

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Speaker 4: a secret deal. You said with Joe Biden over Ukraine.

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Speaker 4: It was partly how you justified his removal as Speaker.

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Speaker 2: Steve Scalise though aid for.

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Speaker 4: Ukraine just last week and is seen as a close

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Speaker 4: ally of Kevin McCarthy. Is that a deal breaker for you?

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Speaker 3: No, because it really is the secret part of the

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Speaker 3: deal that offends me more than someone's personal views on Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: The matter is somewhat settled now because in the Republican Conference,

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Speaker 3: we have a rule called the Hastart rule, which means

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Speaker 3: that once a majority of the majority takes a position

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Speaker 3: on a policy matter, you can't use a minority of

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Speaker 3: the majority to roll them. And in the last vote

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Speaker 3: on Ukraine, we had one hundred and one Republicans vote

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Speaker 3: in favor of that aid one hundred and seventeen vote against.

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Speaker 3: So it's sort of a settled matter that the House

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Speaker 3: of Representatives is done funding the war in Ukraine, no

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Speaker 3: matter who this So you're.

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Speaker 2: So that'll happen.

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Speaker 4: There'll be a vote then on a supplemental request for Ukraine.

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Speaker 2: Will you vote for it? Absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: I've been voting against US involvement in this war for

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Speaker 3: some time. I believe this war will end anytime. The

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Speaker 3: European democracies wanted to.

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Speaker 1: Sir, just quickly because you brought up the Hastart rules.

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Speaker 1: That something you like to live by. Because yesterday four

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Speaker 1: percent of your Republican conference ousted Speaker McCarthy when he

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Speaker 1: had more than ninety percent of the backing of your colleagues.

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Speaker 2: That was the majority, the majority, wasn't it sure?

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Speaker 3: But the hassert rule would apply to policy matters and bills,

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Speaker 3: not procedural matters such as the resolution to deem the

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Speaker 3: Speaker vacant. Moreover, if I violated the hassert rule. It

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Speaker 3: would only come after Speaker McCarthy violated it on the

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Speaker 3: Ukraine supplemental. The last Ukraine supplemental we had didn't have

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Speaker 3: a majority of the majority. I can tell you that

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Speaker 3: that type of the kind of borish leadership wasn't sitting

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Speaker 3: well with some of the people that voted with me

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Speaker 3: to vacate the chair.

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Speaker 1: All right, And I know it's not technically a real rule.

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Speaker 1: It is just something you all like to live by.

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Speaker 1: Congressman Matt Gabe from Florida's first congressional district district, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for joining Bloomberg Television Radio this evening.

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Speaker 2: Thank you