Speaker 1: M hmm, we're back. This is behind the bastard's part.
Speaker 1: We're not back, Sophie. Sophie gets started. We're not back. Okay,
Speaker 1: abat my guest again, Mr Langston Kerman Langston, how are
Speaker 1: you doing to day. I'm doing fantastic. I'm I'm excited
Speaker 1: to to dig further into the horrors of anti Semitism
Speaker 1: and and how it stretches across the world. It's fun,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's good ship, you know. One of the
Speaker 1: things that fun it's it's not fun or good ship,
Speaker 1: it's a nightmare. Um. One of the things that's most
Speaker 1: I guess ironic would be the term for me. It's
Speaker 1: like the protocols of the Elder's Zion, right we just
Speaker 1: talked about it's set up, is like the minutes of
Speaker 1: a meeting about how to destroy Christianity basically, right. Um.
Speaker 1: When it comes to the Holocaust, one of the most
Speaker 1: important documents we have for sort of because one of
Speaker 1: the big questions of the hall Alocaust for historians for
Speaker 1: years was was it planned ahead of time or did
Speaker 1: it just sort of evolve out of out of the war, Right, Like,
Speaker 1: how early was the Holocaust plan? When did they know
Speaker 1: they were going to do this. How centralized was it
Speaker 1: and how much personal responsibility did Hitler have right because
Speaker 1: they they have a big meeting or did they just
Speaker 1: sort of like come up with this on the fly.
Speaker 1: And they did have a big meeting, and we have
Speaker 1: the minutes of that meeting. It's called the von Say Conference.
Speaker 1: It was held in a house in the suburbs of
Speaker 1: Berlin that I've been to. The house is a museum
Speaker 1: now you can go see where Reinhard Hydrick and a
Speaker 1: bunch of other assholes sat in a room and worked
Speaker 1: out how are we going to do a holocaust? How
Speaker 1: do we we We've tried all these methods of killing people.
Speaker 1: Shooting them doesn't work because it's too expensive and it
Speaker 1: sucks our soldiers heads up. We've tried gassing them in vans,
Speaker 1: but it's not very efficient. We have so many more people,
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Okay? And they they arrive
Speaker 1: at the solution that they use. This is like two,
Speaker 1: while the war in Russia is forty three. Maybe the
Speaker 1: war in rushes at its height. So there is an
Speaker 1: actual conspiratorial meeting eating that. We have the the minutes too.
Speaker 1: And again when I talked with the difference between a
Speaker 1: real conspiracy and a fake one. That conspiracy has a
Speaker 1: very clear beginning and a very clear ending. It doesn't
Speaker 1: extend forward and backwards in time. A bunch of guys
Speaker 1: met in a room and planned to commit mass murder
Speaker 1: and then they did it. You know, it's not like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it this in a strange way, and I love that
Speaker 1: I keep making hip hop references, but it's a similar
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory sort of exists about the c I a
Speaker 1: planning to to basically like create, uh destroy the black population. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but not only crack, but also like by adding violence
Speaker 1: into hip hop, they would like forced black people to
Speaker 1: go to jail more often than sensequently, break down our communities.
Speaker 1: And there's a belief that there was an actual like
Speaker 1: meeting of the mind for like all the the the
Speaker 1: music heads of every sort of come but he came
Speaker 1: together and said, how can we add more violence into
Speaker 1: hip hop? So these black people murder each other. There's
Speaker 1: a lot like and like a lot of conspiration. There's
Speaker 1: like a germ of reality in there, which is that
Speaker 1: the CIA, it wasn't as direct as a lot of
Speaker 1: people think, but the CIA actually absolutely supported the cocaine
Speaker 1: trade that led to the crack trade in order to
Speaker 1: launder money so that they could buy weapons for these
Speaker 1: different groups that were like, it's a thing that happened. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: CIA has a huge part in the global cocaine trade. Um.
Speaker 1: The idea that anyone would need to meet in order
Speaker 1: to like insert violence into a part of American pop
Speaker 1: culture is very funny to me that like, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: The CIA definitely did it with but they weren't like, hey,
Speaker 1: and now we can maybe we should add a beat
Speaker 1: to this, maybe have a few fellas freestyled about it.
Speaker 1: We could really break down there. Uh what if we
Speaker 1: added a beat to this? It is not a thing
Speaker 1: the CIA ever sat down and asked themselves. They asked themselves,
Speaker 1: how can we get these planes of cocaine into the
Speaker 1: country so that we can buy more missiles for our
Speaker 1: friends in order to let the massacre poor people in
Speaker 1: Latin America? Um, which is more or less the actual story. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean we'll do we'll we'll do episodes on that
Speaker 1: at some point. It's a great story, um, because there's
Speaker 1: a couple of um, former d E agents and stuff
Speaker 1: who turned and who wrote about like being ordered not
Speaker 1: to arrest to let planes in. Like there's one of
Speaker 1: the more consistent things you find is that wind conspiracy
Speaker 1: theories are true. It's because somebody talked. Almost always someone
Speaker 1: talks yea, and though times when it's not true, they've
Speaker 1: never gotten anybody to talk because there is no one
Speaker 1: to talk about the ship. Yeah, that's kind of where
Speaker 1: I land on a lot of stuff where it's like,
Speaker 1: we know the CIA had a lot of involvement in
Speaker 1: the fucking cocaine trade because a bunch of dudes talked
Speaker 1: about it, like documented evidence to right, Like we got
Speaker 1: snitches and stuff. There were people who like believed in
Speaker 1: something when they got into the c I A or
Speaker 1: the I think it's mostly d E A guys, but
Speaker 1: who believed in something and then like realized what they
Speaker 1: were doing and they wrote about it and anyway, we'll
Speaker 1: talk about this at some point. This was too much
Speaker 1: of a digression, although we are talking about Columbia, so
Speaker 1: I guess it's appropriate that we talked about cocaine because
Speaker 1: we're talking about conspiracies in Colombia and there have been
Speaker 1: a lot. Colombia is a real conspiracy place. Um, you
Speaker 1: want to do a conspiracy. That's that's one of your
Speaker 1: top countries to go to. Um unfortunately. Uh so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when most people who know about the Protocols think about
Speaker 1: like the consequences of the spread of this conspiracy theory,
Speaker 1: they think about the Holocaust, and for good fucking reason.
Speaker 1: But the Protocols left a trail of bodies wherever they spread,
Speaker 1: and they didn't always do it in the way you
Speaker 1: would expect. The way it the Protocols led to death
Speaker 1: wasn't always it leads to pogroms against Jewish people. It
Speaker 1: was a lot weirder than that in some cases. And
Speaker 1: today we're going to talk about the spread of the
Speaker 1: Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Colombia because it
Speaker 1: both kind of explains this specific example gives my examples
Speaker 1: of how it spread in other parts of the world,
Speaker 1: but also the kind of unexpected impacts that the spread
Speaker 1: of this conspiracy theory could have in a country. The
Speaker 1: Protocols first made it to Latin America in the wake
Speaker 1: of World War One, during the first Great diaspora for
Speaker 1: the infamous conspiracy theory. The vector of infection was the
Speaker 1: Catholic clergy, most of whom were sent to Central or
Speaker 1: South America from parts of Europe, where the Protocols had
Speaker 1: been spreading for more than twenty years. In Colombia, the
Speaker 1: Protocols entered through members of an elite Jesuit order who
Speaker 1: kept close ties with their brothers across the ocean. The
Speaker 1: first Spanish language translation of the Protocols was printed in
Speaker 1: Leipzig in nineteen twenty seven, but the version that actually
Speaker 1: spread most widely in Latin America was a French translation
Speaker 1: spread by a journal that had been established by an
Speaker 1: Augustinian friar, titled The Review of International Secret Societies. This yeah,
Speaker 1: so this friar has like a magazine dedicated to secret
Speaker 1: societies that he does on like the side. This is
Speaker 1: this guy's hobby. It had been established in nineteen o
Speaker 1: nine to investigate the Freemasons and other secret societies. And
Speaker 1: today very few people talk about the Freemasons. That conspiracy.
Speaker 1: You you can find bits and pieces of it here
Speaker 1: and there, but like it's not it's not in the
Speaker 1: mainstream of conspiracies anymore. You can you like you dig
Speaker 1: it off to queue it on. You'll find people talking
Speaker 1: about fucking Freemasons and stuff, but it's not the front rank.
Speaker 1: But back in the early night or the early nineteen hundreds,
Speaker 1: the Freemasons were again like the big fucking thing to
Speaker 1: be obsessed with, and the Catholic Church had actually had
Speaker 1: a whole bug up its ass about Freemasonry for centuries. Um.
Speaker 1: They believed it was dangerously anti Christian. It was because
Speaker 1: Freemasons were like social organizations of rich people, and they
Speaker 1: did exert a lot of soft power because all it's
Speaker 1: the same like school and bones. All these rich people
Speaker 1: are hanging out together, they're making plans and they're not.
Speaker 1: It's not a thing the Catholic Church has any p stuff, right.
Speaker 1: The Catholic Church is a big gang, right, it's a
Speaker 1: mop and they don't they don't like that. There's all
Speaker 1: these that like that. That's their issue with the Freemasons.
Speaker 1: Lings infamously don't like other gangs. Uh, that's what's happening here. Um.
Speaker 1: So basically, some weird friar with a side hustle ranting
Speaker 1: about Freemason's helped ignite a wave of anti Semitism in
Speaker 1: Colombia that led to the deaths of spoilers a couple
Speaker 1: hundred thousand people. So, yeah, it's some good ship. It
Speaker 1: is it is not some good ship. I should I
Speaker 1: should get it, I should get another go to phrase,
Speaker 1: um yeah, and I'm gonna quote now from a write
Speaker 1: up by historian Thomas Williford about the Catholic Church's attitude
Speaker 1: towards Freemasons. The popes were convinced that some dark conspiracy
Speaker 1: organized by the Masons was driving the faithful away from
Speaker 1: the Universal Church truth in order to bring about the
Speaker 1: collapse of the church. The claim of an international Masonic
Speaker 1: cabal resonated in all Catholic countries, including Spain and its
Speaker 1: former colonies in Latin America, UH, where Masons were an
Speaker 1: important presence in politics. In Colombia, a string of Liberal
Speaker 1: Party presidents who implemented anti clerical policies in the mid
Speaker 1: nineteenth century were practicing Freemasons. So in Colombia the Left
Speaker 1: takes power for a while, they pass laws restricting the
Speaker 1: power of the Catholic Church. A bunch of these guys
Speaker 1: are Masons. The Catholic Church is like, this is part
Speaker 1: of the conspiracy. It's great. So these super Catholic Jesuit
Speaker 1: weirdos were already obsessed with Freemasons. Then World War One
Speaker 1: hits and the whole world, their world, the European world
Speaker 1: seems to be in free fall. Communists are burning churches
Speaker 1: and killing priests in the midst of all that. This
Speaker 1: Friar Repent prints a translation of the Protocols of the
Speaker 1: Elders of Zion that seems to explain everything because the
Speaker 1: Protocols we had mentioned this last episode of should have
Speaker 1: The Freemasons are in and a bunch, and the idea
Speaker 1: is that the Jews are pulling the strings of the
Speaker 1: Freemason's right. That's one of the groups that the Jews
Speaker 1: control as part of their conspiracy. Pre existing beliefs about
Speaker 1: Freemasonry were actually how the Protocols managed to in fact,
Speaker 1: most of the communities they took off in early on.
Speaker 1: This is why grand conspiracy theories like Q and on
Speaker 1: are more successful than more syncretic they are. If you've
Speaker 1: got this core conspiracy theory about a bunch of child molesters,
Speaker 1: but you can rope in anti vaccine conspiracies, you can
Speaker 1: bring in the JFK assassination aliens, you can integrate all
Speaker 1: those things into the broader conspiracy theory. You get a
Speaker 1: bunch of additional vectors through which you can infect people
Speaker 1: so I'm in. Maybe I'm anti vax and that's how
Speaker 1: I first come across quan On propaganda and it sucks
Speaker 1: me in. Or I'm obsessed with the jfk assassination, I
Speaker 1: come across some video about how that ties into q
Speaker 1: and On. That's what pulls me in. It makes it
Speaker 1: more effective for everybody out there. That means, uh, embracing
Speaker 1: the groups that you otherwise weren't necessarily aiming for the
Speaker 1: first time. You wrote the ship exactly. And the way
Speaker 1: that the protocols do that is you've got all these
Speaker 1: guys who for centuries, a lot of these Catholics have
Speaker 1: believed in a Freemason and a Masonic conspiracy, and the
Speaker 1: protocol say, hey, the Jews are behind that. And Catholics
Speaker 1: already not great on Jews, you know, like there there
Speaker 1: were some problems there beforehand. But this is how a
Speaker 1: lot of like clergy get infected by the Protocols of
Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion. Now, the Vatican's official stance in
Speaker 1: this period was that Jewish people were souls to be
Speaker 1: saved um, but the Church supported and endorsed members of
Speaker 1: the clergy who spread myths about the blood pass over
Speaker 1: which we talked about in the last episode. Um Anti
Speaker 1: Semitic Catholics could point to Pope Pious the Ninth, who
Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy three claimed that the Synagogue of Satan
Speaker 1: was drawn from Masonic sects. And Pious was talking about
Speaker 1: the Masons, but he described them as a synagogue of
Speaker 1: the devil. So you can see this whole tying Jewish
Speaker 1: people to the to the Mason's. It didn't start with
Speaker 1: the with the protocols, but that was like the most
Speaker 1: best organized way it was put together. Do you think
Speaker 1: he used synagogue just on accident or was that also
Speaker 1: intentional of my being like you know, I I also
Speaker 1: don't funk with this group, by the way, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I think it was because for a lot of specially
Speaker 1: popes in those Eric synagogue is like synonym for a
Speaker 1: bad place, you know, it's the bad religion, you know,
Speaker 1: other than Protestantism, which is also the bad room Quarrelsome people,
Speaker 1: these these Catholics, like pork. It's the other bad meat
Speaker 1: that they don't care for. So a significant minority of
Speaker 1: Catholics had been ranting about a Judeo Massonic anti Christian
Speaker 1: conspiracy for decades. By the time the Protocols hit Latin America,
Speaker 1: one of the first Jesuits in Colombia to really dig
Speaker 1: into spreading anti Semitic garbage was a Spanish Jesuit named
Speaker 1: his sus Maria Ruano. Writing a bulletin for the local
Speaker 1: faithful in July of nineteen twenty two, he urged good
Speaker 1: Catholics to pray for the conversion of the Jews, and
Speaker 1: then went on to explain at length how since the
Speaker 1: French Revolution, the Jews had controlled the economies of Europe
Speaker 1: as well as all leading newspapers. Following this, he made
Speaker 1: one of the first direct references to the Protocols in
Speaker 1: Latin American history. Quote years later, when the abominable Protocols
Speaker 1: of the Wise Men of Israel were known around the
Speaker 1: world on the occasion of the Zionist Congress of eighteen
Speaker 1: ninety seven, reflective historians, moralists, and patriots have not ceased
Speaker 1: giving shouts aboutrage. They say that the plan of hegemony
Speaker 1: and universal conquest dripped by the Jews is already manifest.
Speaker 1: Is one of the first times you see the Protocols
Speaker 1: referenced in Latin America. Now, nineteen twenty two was a
Speaker 1: little early for this kind of rhetoric to spread, especially
Speaker 1: in Colombia, which had very few Jewish people, not super
Speaker 1: successful drumming up race hatred against the Jews because there's
Speaker 1: not a lot of them. They don't have a deep
Speaker 1: history in the country. Right, it's sucking Colombia, you know.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of people being like, what is a Jews? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What are you? What are you? What are you talking about.
Speaker 1: By the early nineteen thirties, the situation in the country
Speaker 1: had changed. In the early twenties, the economy was great,
Speaker 1: and this is another reason why this conspiracy doesn't take off.
Speaker 1: Then people are making a lot of money, Exports are
Speaker 1: trending steadily upward. Things are doing well in Colombia. Then
Speaker 1: in the thirties, the Great Depression hits, right, and Colombia
Speaker 1: gets sucked by it the way everyone does. And as
Speaker 1: a result to the Great Depression, the labor movement explode.
Speaker 1: So suddenly there's all these protests in the street, there's
Speaker 1: these giant strikes, people are starving. What we said, whenever
Speaker 1: there's a lot of unrest and change in a short
Speaker 1: period of time, people start to go to conspiracies to
Speaker 1: explain it all. Sure, the protocol started making more and
Speaker 1: more frequent appearances in Jesuit publications and in sermons. By
Speaker 1: the early nineteen thirties, there was significant documentation proving the
Speaker 1: protocols were a forgery. When I talked about last episode
Speaker 1: about how it was plagiarized from a piece of plagiarism
Speaker 1: that was known at the time, people were aware of this,
Speaker 1: but in what would become a common justification, Colombian Jesuits
Speaker 1: argued that it didn't matter whether or not the protocols
Speaker 1: were a forgery. And I'm gonna quote from a write
Speaker 1: up in one of their magazines in nineteen thirty two,
Speaker 1: an idea occurs to us that we cannot hide from
Speaker 1: the reader, separating the question of authenticity, in other words,
Speaker 1: determining whether or not these are the true minutes of
Speaker 1: the eighteen ninety seven Zionist Congress of Basil. No one
Speaker 1: can deny the frightening veracity of the protocols due to
Speaker 1: their prodigious, almost prophetic exactitude, which saturates all of its pages. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a forgery, but it's it seems like the
Speaker 1: things we already it's right, you know, like you can
Speaker 1: tell it's right. Yeah, exactly exactly. We couldn't agree more.
Speaker 1: It's it's completely made up. It's Milannia. Trump's still in
Speaker 1: Michelle's speech. It's like, yeah, we're still It's the alternative
Speaker 1: facts thing is that, like, yeah, maybe it's not literally true,
Speaker 1: but it's right. You know, this is what's happening. Even
Speaker 1: if this document is fake, it accurately describes what I
Speaker 1: know was happening because I'm a racist. Things continue to
Speaker 1: ramp up throughout the thirties. The Spanish Civil War, which
Speaker 1: is with its attendant massacres of priests and nuns by anarchists,
Speaker 1: fuel Jesuit claims that a vast anti Christian conspiracy existed.
Speaker 1: Colombian newspapers tended to cover the violence in Spain with
Speaker 1: what Thomas Williford describes as an it can happen here attitude.
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty seven, inspired by the Spanish Civil War,
Speaker 1: a Bogata publishing house issued the first Colombian edition of
Speaker 1: the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The late nineteen
Speaker 1: thirties and forties also saw intensifying violence between Colombian liberals
Speaker 1: and conservatives. Again, political order in Columbia is starting to
Speaker 1: break apart at this time. By nineteen forty two, the
Speaker 1: Liberals were ascendant and the head of the Conservative Party,
Speaker 1: a guy named Laureano Gomez, decided to launch an anti
Speaker 1: Masonic crusade, claiming that the Masons were using the Liberals
Speaker 1: as a vehicle for the Jews to take control of Colombia.
Speaker 1: Gomez had a right wing party newspaper that he edited
Speaker 1: start printing up a booklet which he claimed to be
Speaker 1: a secret account of Masonic rituals and secrets. Thomas Williford
Speaker 1: writes quote. It also claimed that Colombian Liberals were part
Speaker 1: of a worldwide Judeo Masonic conspiracy, especially in their attempts
Speaker 1: to control public instruction. A series of government and political
Speaker 1: documents were cited at length to make this point. Along
Speaker 1: quote from a publication supposedly called Revisted Judeo Masonica Masonic
Speaker 1: jew Magazine described diabolic instructions to pervert women in schools
Speaker 1: through gymnastic exercises and revealing clothing. It was rather pornographic
Speaker 1: reading for a pamphlet which also stated that it should
Speaker 1: be like a second Catechism in the home. So he
Speaker 1: publishes this booklet that is purporting to have excerpts from
Speaker 1: a magazine that doesn't exist called Masonic jew Magazine. Is
Speaker 1: this like the conspiracy has a magazine that they call
Speaker 1: the and it. Part of the thing is like these
Speaker 1: guys are conservative, right, they're doing too much stretching. They're there,
Speaker 1: women are doing gymnastics. It's the Jews, you know. Jewish
Speaker 1: people are known for gymnastics. That the gymnastics on us. Yes,
Speaker 1: so obviously, like all of the stuff we're talking about,
Speaker 1: this is nonsense. But the propagandic campaign was a wild success.
Speaker 1: It welded militant conservatives with Catholic clergy in a unified
Speaker 1: front against this Judeo Masonic liberal conspiracy. When a liberal
Speaker 1: president was elected in August of nineteen forty two, Go
Speaker 1: Messes magazine did not even acknowledge his inauguration, instead publishing
Speaker 1: more anti Semitic propaganda. Now, this was the same period
Speaker 1: where the holocaus Us was ramping up in Europe and
Speaker 1: Gomez's party newspaper actually reported on the early stages of
Speaker 1: the extermination, publishing an article about eighteen thousand French Jews
Speaker 1: being detained, sterilized, and deported. This was in the same
Speaker 1: issue where a priest father Diaz editorialized, it got about
Speaker 1: the struggle against Jewish Bolsheviks. The obvious contradiction between hysterical
Speaker 1: rants about an all powerful Jewish conspiracy and the reality
Speaker 1: of Jewish Jewish impression under the Nazis did not seem
Speaker 1: to strike anyone in the Colombian right wing as being
Speaker 1: a little bit inconsistent. Four days later, Loriano Gomez would
Speaker 1: go on to give the most anti Semitic speech of
Speaker 1: his career, defending a bill that would have denied Masonic
Speaker 1: lodges the right to exist in Columbia as corporate entities.
Speaker 1: His speech defending the bill was an unhinged conspiracist rant,
Speaker 1: explaining how the Jews had manipulated the Colombian middle class
Speaker 1: through freemasonry while controlling the working poor through communism. He
Speaker 1: claimed that his time working as Colombia's ambassador to Berlin
Speaker 1: had made it clear to him how toxic the Jews
Speaker 1: were a society. He claimed, the lesson of history is
Speaker 1: that when the Jewish phenomenon presents itself, there are only
Speaker 1: two solutions, handing the nation over to this Jews or
Speaker 1: expelling them. Oh boy, yeah. Now. Gomez did not succeed
Speaker 1: in passing his bill, but he succeeded in welding the
Speaker 1: Colombian Conservative Party into a unified conspiracist block, blaming all
Speaker 1: of their electoral defeats on an alliance of Jews and
Speaker 1: Freemasons who were manipulating liberals and communists. His most fanatical
Speaker 1: supporters were the middle class, small business owners, priests, and professionals. Again,
Speaker 1: none of this sounds familiar. A right wing party refusing
Speaker 1: to acknowledge that they lose an election, turning to conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: the middle class backing them in order to explain economic downturns.
Speaker 1: None of this has ever happened since. Thank god, can
Speaker 1: you imagine we've learned our lessons now. Columbia never had
Speaker 1: the kind of widespread anti Semitic programs seen in Europe,
Speaker 1: but the charged and often violent rhetoric pushed by Gomez
Speaker 1: succeed did in making any kind of compromise between left
Speaker 1: and right impossible. If the other side were literally the
Speaker 1: puppets of a genocidal conspiracy to eliminate Christendom, collaboration was impossible.
Speaker 1: This became a problem when the right finally made its
Speaker 1: way back to power. And I'm going to quote from
Speaker 1: a rite up on the website the International Relations here.
Speaker 1: After nineteen forty six, traditional party competition had broken down
Speaker 1: in Columbia. Mariano Aspina Perez, the newly elected president, and
Speaker 1: his Conservative Party government, used the police and the army
Speaker 1: to repress the Liberal Party. The Liberals then responded by
Speaker 1: arming peasants to fight back against the government. This created
Speaker 1: pressures within civil and political society, and violence began on
Speaker 1: a small scale. It didn't stay small. The next several
Speaker 1: years of Colombian history are known widely as La Violencia,
Speaker 1: which I don't think I need to translate. It would
Speaker 1: be too much to blame the protocols or Gomez for
Speaker 1: all of this, but they and the conspiracism he fueled
Speaker 1: had a major impact on how La Violencia played out.
Speaker 1: As Thomas Williford writes, when the Violencia again in earnest
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty six, it was they The Conservatives, believing
Speaker 1: that the Liberals were part of a worldwide anti Christian plot,
Speaker 1: would encourage or even take part in the massacres of
Speaker 1: Liberal civilians throughout the countryside. Although Lavi Aalencia would quickly
Speaker 1: take on unforeseen socio economic aspects, the discursive structure that
Speaker 1: provided the pretext for militants to commit murder was already
Speaker 1: in place by nineteen forty two. After the Conservatives won
Speaker 1: the nineteen forty six presidential election against a divided Liberal party,
Speaker 1: they sought to guarantee a conservative majority around the country,
Speaker 1: as the Liberals had done fifteen years earlier. However, this time,
Speaker 1: partisan militants were armed with a conspiracy theory as well
Speaker 1: as machetes, and felt that their duty to physically eliminate
Speaker 1: the opposition in order to save the country. By some accounts,
Speaker 1: more than two hundred thousand people would die over the
Speaker 1: next few years of political massacres in Colombia. Boy, just machete.
Speaker 1: It's ugly ship. Yeah. And what I think is there's
Speaker 1: a lot there. When I think is so interesting about
Speaker 1: this is that the protocols enter in an anti Semitism
Speaker 1: is a huge part of it, but the violence they
Speaker 1: inspire isn't primarily anti Semitic. What it is is that
Speaker 1: this conspiracy so infects political discourse in Colombia that it
Speaker 1: makes anything but mass murder impossible as a political outcome.
Speaker 1: Because the right wing got addicted to the idea that
Speaker 1: these people aren't your political opponents, they're trying to exterminate
Speaker 1: you as part of this conspiracy. And if that's the case,
Speaker 1: there's nothing to do but kill them, you know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're fighting for your life exactly, and you're associating
Speaker 1: even even beyond anti Semitism, you're associating anybody who's even
Speaker 1: connected to the idea of of the opposition with a
Speaker 1: threat to your very existence. Yeah, it's it's amazing, um.
Speaker 1: And that's that's why I wanted to talk about Columbia,
Speaker 1: because it's not it's not like it is with the Holocaust.
Speaker 1: You know it, we'll talk We're about to talk about
Speaker 1: the Nazis. It's pretty straightforward, right. This propaganda convinces a
Speaker 1: lot of people in Europe that they're as a Jewish conspiracy,
Speaker 1: so they murder all the Jews. It's horrible, but it's
Speaker 1: not shocking what happens in Colombia, is It says a
Speaker 1: lot more. I think about the way conspiracies infect cultures
Speaker 1: and about broadly the impact even today that the protocol
Speaker 1: still have. As opposed to the much clear impact they
Speaker 1: had on the Holocaust, they also created a type of
Speaker 1: thinking that has spread virally throughout the world and caused
Speaker 1: violence in Columbia and a bunch of other places and
Speaker 1: probably will continue to inspire violence in the future. It's
Speaker 1: good stuff. It's just it's wild to think that so
Speaker 1: many of these seeds are permanent that, like you, you
Speaker 1: would think that, like, all right, you killed all those people,
Speaker 1: maybe a lesson was learned, maybe we moved on and
Speaker 1: grew from that, and now we don't do that anymore.
Speaker 1: But Nope, that's not how this works. It's like you
Speaker 1: killed all those people and we like verified that the
Speaker 1: document was fake, but like, go off, like what we
Speaker 1: like your style, my man, and keep it going. The
Speaker 1: lesson of history is that nobody has ever learned a
Speaker 1: single lesson from history. But you know who has learned
Speaker 1: a lesson or two in their time. The products and
Speaker 1: services that sponsor the show. That's exactly it. That's exactly it.
Speaker 1: The products and services that sponsored the show have learned
Speaker 1: a lot um and played only I think we can
Speaker 1: confidently say, played only a minor role in inspiring violencia. Alright,
Speaker 1: we're back, um. So the protocols of the Elders of
Speaker 1: Zion in the early twentieth century spread absolutely everywhere. We
Speaker 1: could talk at equal length about their impact in Japan,
Speaker 1: where they were translated and had a huge influence, or
Speaker 1: in Argentina, where they would influence a popular Catholic novelist
Speaker 1: named Hugo Vost to play a similar role in his
Speaker 1: country that Gomes played in Colombia. Voss wrote a really
Speaker 1: bigoted novel inspired by the Protocols, which itself inspired hordes
Speaker 1: of anti Semites to assault Argentine Jews in the street.
Speaker 1: Um so violence everywhere. The Protocols have likewise spread through
Speaker 1: the Arab world, particularly as a result of israel suppression
Speaker 1: of the Palestinian people. We could do whole episodes on that.
Speaker 1: There's a lot to say about these um we have
Speaker 1: limited time. Obviously, this is this is not a comprehensive
Speaker 1: study into the impact of the Protocols of the Elders
Speaker 1: of Zion, although I have a good book to recommend
Speaker 1: called The Global Impact of the Protocols of the Elders
Speaker 1: of Zion, edited by Esther Webman, where a number of
Speaker 1: different essays that we've used as sources for this episode
Speaker 1: come from. It's if you want a broader understanding, you
Speaker 1: can read that. I think for the closing chunk of
Speaker 1: this episode, we kind of have to talk about the Nazis.
Speaker 1: The O g not, you know, like we gotta like
Speaker 1: we gotta get like the original motherfucker's like the episode
Speaker 1: and didn't bring them up. It would be weird, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I could we could go straight into Japan
Speaker 1: and we could go talk about the Middle East. We
Speaker 1: could talk about like we we wouldn't don't have to
Speaker 1: talk about the Nazis and was mean to do everybody else.
Speaker 1: Everybody else was fine, Yeah, I feel like we have
Speaker 1: to talk about the Nazis because we're talking about anti Semitism. Um,
Speaker 1: now you may be surprised to learn that most of
Speaker 1: the big Nazis, so maybe not after that part about Columbia,
Speaker 1: most of the big Nazis, the head Nazis knew the
Speaker 1: protocols were a forgery and didn't particularly like them. Um,
Speaker 1: they were not dumb men, and it was obvious that
Speaker 1: they were fake. Joseph Gebbels wrote in nineteen four, I
Speaker 1: believe that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is
Speaker 1: a forgery. That is not because the world view of
Speaker 1: Jewish aspirations expressed there in our two utopic or fantastic
Speaker 1: one sees today how one point after the other of
Speaker 1: the protocols is being realized, but rather because I do
Speaker 1: not think the Jews are so completely stupid as not
Speaker 1: to keep such important protocols secret. I believe in the
Speaker 1: inner but not the factual truth of the protocols. He's
Speaker 1: kind of saying we were saying Earlier's like, yeah, the
Speaker 1: Grand Conspiracy just left their minutes out, which is funny
Speaker 1: because the Grand Conspiracy, well, not grand, but the conspiracy
Speaker 1: he was a part of, did leave their minutes. They
Speaker 1: tried to burn most of the copies of the boxes life. Listen,
Speaker 1: those Jews are way smarter than I am. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: leave my junk out, but they would never I'm gonna
Speaker 1: leave that ship in a file folder. They never make
Speaker 1: that error. Yeah, they're brilliant, not like us. Jesus were done.
Speaker 1: So Girbels wrote this at the same time Friend of
Speaker 1: the Pod Adolf Hitler, was in prison writing mind comp
Speaker 1: the protocols heavily influenced. What what what what? Friend of
Speaker 1: the Pod doesn't mean the object He didn't object a
Speaker 1: Friend of the Pod Timothy McVeigh. Probably, I'm just letting
Speaker 1: you know I most definitely probably did. Well, that's probably
Speaker 1: fair so. And around the same time Gribbles wrote that
Speaker 1: stuff about not believing in the literal truth of the protocols,
Speaker 1: Adolph Hitler was in prison writing mind comp and the
Speaker 1: protocols heavily influenced how he wrote his manifesto, even though
Speaker 1: he too knew that they were fake. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quote from Hitler. Yeah, this is a hit There is
Speaker 1: a Hitler classic coming up. Yeah, this is a Hitler classic.
Speaker 1: I mean this is like Hitler's White album when we're
Speaker 1: talking about my you know, so, um, here's Hitler. To
Speaker 1: what extent the whole existence of this people is based
Speaker 1: on this people? Being Jewish people is based on a
Speaker 1: continuous lie. Is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the
Speaker 1: Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews.
Speaker 1: They are based on a forgery. The frank Fritter Zeitung
Speaker 1: mourns and screams once every week. The best proof that
Speaker 1: they are authentic. What many Jews may do unconsciously is
Speaker 1: here consciously exposed, and that is what matters. It is
Speaker 1: completely indifferent from what Jewish brains these disclosures originate. The
Speaker 1: important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty. They reveal
Speaker 1: the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose
Speaker 1: their inner context as well as their ultimate final aims.
Speaker 1: So m hmm. Like Gomez, Hitler and Girbel's knew the
Speaker 1: protocols were fake, but felt they were authentic as a
Speaker 1: result of their inner truth. And I'm gonna quote from
Speaker 1: a study on the Protocols the Elders of Zion and
Speaker 1: Nazi Propaganda by R. L. Bite Work quote. Nineteen years later,
Speaker 1: the two discussed the protocols just before Girbel's launched one
Speaker 1: of his periodic anti Semitic campaigns. Gebels, who had been
Speaker 1: rereading it, commented that his propaganda colleagues maintained that it
Speaker 1: was not useful for contemporary propaganda, but he reflected, I
Speaker 1: conclude from my reading, nonetheless, that we can put it
Speaker 1: to very good use. If the Zionist Protocols is not
Speaker 1: genuine wine, it was produced by a brilliant contemporary critic.
Speaker 1: Having talked it over with Hitler, the propaganda minister wrote
Speaker 1: in his diary, the fewer standpoint is that the Zionist
Speaker 1: Protocols can claim absolute genuineness. No one could express Jewish
Speaker 1: plans for world domination as well as the Jews themselves.
Speaker 1: The fewer is of the opinion that the Jews do
Speaker 1: not need to follow an established program. They follow a
Speaker 1: strong racial instinct that always leads the day actions shown
Speaker 1: throughout their entire history. Yes, so they don't need a
Speaker 1: game plan. They've been Yeah, I mean it's it's it's racism.
Speaker 1: He's Hitler, you know, and nobody does it better. It's
Speaker 1: like Hitler and then like a couple steps maybe Nathan
Speaker 1: bed from Forest a couple of steps below him. Um,
Speaker 1: Henry Ford's on that list. If you're doing the All
Speaker 1: Stars of Racism, you know, but go off not not
Speaker 1: doing the All Star No Racism Olympics here Hitler would win.
Speaker 1: It's a foregtten conclusion. Um, so the fewer. Yeah. Hitler
Speaker 1: never referred to the protocols in one of his public speeches,
Speaker 1: and Gebel's only mentioned it in public once in nineteen
Speaker 1: forty three. It was never mentioned in Dos Reich, the
Speaker 1: high end intellectual Nazi magazine founded by Gebbels in ninety one,
Speaker 1: but the protocols were extremely popular and more low brow
Speaker 1: propaganda minant for the common man. The Volcashore Bayo Bactor,
Speaker 1: the most mainstream Nazi publication during the Third Reich referenced
Speaker 1: them on a near weekly base. They were particularly influential
Speaker 1: in the magazine of Julius Striker. So Julius was basically
Speaker 1: the gutter punk version of Gebels. Gebels was the state propagandist.
Speaker 1: He was the high thinking of the intellectual propagandist of
Speaker 1: the Nazis. Julius Striker is the fucking He's the guy
Speaker 1: whose job is to rile up the criminals and street
Speaker 1: fighters were beating people in the streets, right. We don't
Speaker 1: need intellectualism for them. I want crude cartoons and racist jokes.
Speaker 1: You know. Striker is like the the gutter level, the
Speaker 1: very Wesley. Yeah. Yeah, he's the grimy propagandist. And his
Speaker 1: main propaganda arm was a magazine called Dear Sturmer, which
Speaker 1: existed mainly to radicalize the kind of street thugs who
Speaker 1: joined the Brown Shirts and beat up Jews in the
Speaker 1: street during the late twenties. Bite Work writes that Dear
Speaker 1: Stirmer quote alternated between elaborations of the Protocols and lurid
Speaker 1: stories of German maidens raped by Jews and German children
Speaker 1: ritually murdered. So we can see all these different strains
Speaker 1: of anti Jewish, anti Semitic propaganda kind of coming together
Speaker 1: in their stirmer, and he's using the protocols to make
Speaker 1: these street fighters. It's a mix of here's these stories
Speaker 1: about German women being raped, here's these little excerpts from
Speaker 1: the protocols to like convince you that what you're doing
Speaker 1: is that you going into the street and murdering people
Speaker 1: is part of a noble crusade. Right, That's what these
Speaker 1: guys need. They need to believe their nights when they're
Speaker 1: stabbing people in dark alley ways. So while Hitler and
Speaker 1: Gebel's knew the protocols were fake, they recognized that it
Speaker 1: had tremendous value in convincing regular working class people of
Speaker 1: the reality of a grand Jewish conspiracy. There were two
Speaker 1: major and slightly different versions of the Protocols distributed by
Speaker 1: the Nazis after nineteen thirty three, when they came to power.
Speaker 1: The official Nazi Party variant was just a copy of
Speaker 1: the original German translation from nineteen twenty The Nazis gained
Speaker 1: the rights to this translation in nineteen twenty nine, and
Speaker 1: by nineteen thirty four they had sold a hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand copies of it. There were Yeah it sells
Speaker 1: all right, and there were other German versions, often annotated,
Speaker 1: that also sold tens of thousands of copies. The Party
Speaker 1: subsidized these publications to try to get them out to
Speaker 1: as many hands as possible, but like mind comp most
Speaker 1: of the people who bought these probably never read them
Speaker 1: in their entirety. The main value of the Protocols to
Speaker 1: the Nazis was not as a document itself. It was
Speaker 1: not something that a lot of people would just read.
Speaker 1: It was a source to cite and quote from. Liberally.
Speaker 1: You're writing some unhinged rant about how Jews are raping
Speaker 1: a woman, throwing a couple of quotes from the Protocols
Speaker 1: to really pop things off, because it it feels like
Speaker 1: it's got some weight to it, you know. And so
Speaker 1: they they acknowledge for themselves that they know these are fake,
Speaker 1: but they're not telling the people that, good lord, no no, no, no, no, no, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, we found some ship, y'all, Yeah, we
Speaker 1: found Yeah. The Nazis came to power in thirty three,
Speaker 1: there was a broad understanding around the leadership that while
Speaker 1: the Protocols weren't. They weren't sophisticated enough to be suped
Speaker 1: for useful domestically, right, the street fighting portion is over,
Speaker 1: It's time for better propaganda, higher propaganda. But they recognized
Speaker 1: there was a value and spreading the protocols internationally. The
Speaker 1: basic idea was that if you can make more anti
Speaker 1: Semites and the rest of Europe, that will help you
Speaker 1: make more fascists, who will have more people in other
Speaker 1: European countries who sympathize with the Third Reich. This will
Speaker 1: also cut down on outrage internationally once Nazis start, you know,
Speaker 1: doing the things they were always going to do. European
Speaker 1: anti fascists were not ignorant of what was happening in Switzerland.
Speaker 1: To organizations, the Swiss Federation of Jewish Communities and the
Speaker 1: Bernese Jewish Community quickly realized that the Swiss National Front,
Speaker 1: their local fascist party, had started distributing the Protocols of
Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion in German a Nazi translation, alongside
Speaker 1: other anti Semitic propaganda. They didn't want to just let
Speaker 1: this lie. They felt like they had to fight it somehow.
Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty five, these activists decided to sue the
Speaker 1: National Front, using a nineteen sixteen law meant to ban
Speaker 1: pornographic movies and books as the basis for their lawsuit.
Speaker 1: Now I'm not an expert on Swiss law, historians seem
Speaker 1: to degree that these activists were kind of reaching by
Speaker 1: trying to punished Nazis with an anti porn law. The
Speaker 1: specific wording of the law banned what was called shooned literature,
Speaker 1: which roughly translates to trash or pulp fiction. And it
Speaker 1: was meant to ban like erotic stories like in comics
Speaker 1: and stuff that were being printed in this period. But
Speaker 1: it was like the way it was defined is just
Speaker 1: like anything that's like not true and it's filthy, And
Speaker 1: I guess they were kind of trying to argue that,
Speaker 1: like Nazi propaganda falls under this definition, so it's banned
Speaker 1: by the anti peorgn laws as well. It was yeah,
Speaker 1: they're they're there, just a weird diagram of stuff, but yeah,
Speaker 1: it is weird, and it's it was a weird vind
Speaker 1: diagram of stuff, and it was a bad idea. It
Speaker 1: would prove to be actually a disastrous idea. They had
Speaker 1: noble intentions, right, You're you're trying to stop Nazis from
Speaker 1: spreading propaganda in your country, but it wound up being
Speaker 1: one of the worst things they could have possibly done.
Speaker 1: So this becomes a huge court case that's covered internationally
Speaker 1: and it kind of becomes an international referendum and whether
Speaker 1: or not the Protocols of the Elders of on our
Speaker 1: real because they were arguing that because this is fake,
Speaker 1: it falls under these pornography laws. The whole case wound
Speaker 1: up around four revolving around four questions asked by the judge.
Speaker 1: Number one, was the Protocols of the Elders of Zion
Speaker 1: a forgery? Number two? Was it plagiarized? Number three, If
Speaker 1: it was, what was its source? And number four do
Speaker 1: the protocols fall under the category of trash literature? Now
Speaker 1: you and I know the answer to a lot of
Speaker 1: those questions, but at the time they became a massive
Speaker 1: debate all around Europe. The Burn Trial, as it became known,
Speaker 1: was front page news, and even though Hitler and Girbel's
Speaker 1: knew the protocols were a forgery, they saw value in
Speaker 1: pumping out propaganda around the trial to defend its fa
Speaker 1: the veracity of the document quote. The propaganda ministry was
Speaker 1: unwilling to make the trials the defense of the authenticity
Speaker 1: of the protocols. Instead, the ministry treated them as attempts
Speaker 1: by international Jewry to attack national socialist Germany. Newspapers and
Speaker 1: radio carried daily memories of the trial's progress, praising the
Speaker 1: testimony of those supporting the protocols legitimacy and attacking those
Speaker 1: who did not. The official party newspaper Volkes Shobet Bactor,
Speaker 1: for example, commented on the testimony of a protocol of
Speaker 1: a prosecution witness in a less than unbiased way. Doctor
Speaker 1: Baumgarten said little about his own subject, but rather made
Speaker 1: confused remarks about various points. He seemed less interested in
Speaker 1: speaking to the point than in having a rhetorical effect.
Speaker 1: The fascists lost the case technically, receiving a slap on
Speaker 1: the wrist punishment that amounted to a small fine, but
Speaker 1: the judgment was overturned two years later on appeal, and
Speaker 1: the Nazi Nazi propaganda ministry presented this to the German
Speaker 1: people as a huge victory. Now the actual ruling had
Speaker 1: declared that the authenticity of the protocols was irrelevant they
Speaker 1: didn't count as pornography, but the Nazis ignored this They
Speaker 1: presented the ruling as a defeat for Jews and a
Speaker 1: de facto acknowledgement that the protocols were legitimate. The Volkshobeo
Speaker 1: Bactor released a five page special to celebrate the appeal
Speaker 1: titled Jewish Defeat at the Bird and Trial World Jewry's
Speaker 1: efforts fail again. The Friedburger newspaper also released a front
Speaker 1: page story titled a Defeat for World Jewelry. Both articles
Speaker 1: celebrated the fact that the court had ruled the protocols
Speaker 1: not obscene literature. Can I I do want to say
Speaker 1: that that I am proud of us today, even our
Speaker 1: races are no longer using the word jewelry. That that
Speaker 1: feels like you don't hear it much, right, that is
Speaker 1: a way. Yeah, you gotta take the winds where you
Speaker 1: can get them. Let's count progress where progress exists, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, Jewry's one of those
Speaker 1: like cringe words. Was like, you know, uh, that's that's
Speaker 1: that's not a good side. That's that I'm seeing that somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if we started seeing that again, we know we've got backsliding. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we are not doing good. Yeah, you know who is
Speaker 1: doing good? There? They are doing great with by then
Speaker 1: the White House with the with the Defense Department headed
Speaker 1: by a former Raytheon employee executive. Yes, they're doing wonderful.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, nailing it. It's only depressing if you
Speaker 1: don't like missiles destroying school buses. I don't, for the record,
Speaker 1: but Raytheon does. Okay, Sophie, everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Speaker 1: You don't like that Raytheon does, so the answer is
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Speaker 1: So you and that corporation's feelings. Yeah, don't be mean
Speaker 1: to Raytheon. What have they ever done to you? I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we could figure out something. Sophie does not
Speaker 1: speak for the rest of us here. We'll be back
Speaker 1: after these messages. We're back. People don't say that much anymore.
Speaker 1: Will be back after these messages were when they used
Speaker 1: to they used to frame bro Yeah, I know, but
Speaker 1: I miss it. It was just so much classier than
Speaker 1: being like shouting products. It's back when they didn't want
Speaker 1: us to know that they were tricking us into buying into,
Speaker 1: you know, sales and capitalism and ship It was like, oh,
Speaker 1: these are just people trying to tell you little secrets.
Speaker 1: You should listen. Oh messages, those sound valuable. I love that.
Speaker 1: So what we're saying here is Robert misses the scam
Speaker 1: of it all. I do. I miss the scam of
Speaker 1: it all. You know, nowadays it's just such naked, unrestricted.
Speaker 1: I wish I could be a little more cunning of that.
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Speaker 1: seems like the whole industry is supported by like three
Speaker 1: mattress companies and razor blades. Things have broadened now there's
Speaker 1: a wider variety of It feels a little bit less
Speaker 1: like a shell game. I'm sure it will all come
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Speaker 1: dick pills. That was the holy trinity. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: I will argue that the only ethical form of consumption
Speaker 1: under capitalism is dick pills. I'm listening. There's no doubt
Speaker 1: inside the dick pills. They do what they say they're
Speaker 1: gonna They do what they say they're gonna do. Some science.
Speaker 1: Not speaking of science, let's talk about racism. Um. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Nazis make a huge deal about the Burn Trial.
Speaker 1: It becomes like this massive moment in the history of
Speaker 1: anti Semitism, and this thing that had started as an
Speaker 1: effort to discredit the Nazis and punish people for spreading
Speaker 1: Nazi propaganda in Switzerland winds up spreading the protocols all
Speaker 1: around the world. Right, this huge trial comes up, people
Speaker 1: are debating how real the protocols are. There's all these
Speaker 1: articles in different newspapers talking about whether the protocols are
Speaker 1: true or not, and more than anything, talking about like
Speaker 1: how boy, all the Jews really seem to want these
Speaker 1: this court case to go one certain way that seems
Speaker 1: kind of shady. Maybe there's something to these protocols. It.
Speaker 1: It was the worst thing they could have done was
Speaker 1: bringing this trial. It winds up, it's a a fucking disaster. Um.
Speaker 1: Probably no single moment in pre war history did more
Speaker 1: to spread mainstream awareness of the Protocols of the Elders
Speaker 1: of Zion than the Burn trial. Um. It's tragic because
Speaker 1: they it was a noble goal, right, They were trying
Speaker 1: to fight fascism the best that they could. They're trying
Speaker 1: to shut that bad boy down. But it back the
Speaker 1: fuck fires. You know. When World War Two started in
Speaker 1: Germany quickly found itself at war with more or less
Speaker 1: the world. It seemed to many that the protocols had
Speaker 1: been proven accurate. Again. The Seventh Protocol stated, we must
Speaker 1: be in a position to respond to every act of
Speaker 1: opposition by war with the neighbors of that country. Who
Speaker 1: did which dares oppose us? But if these neighbors should
Speaker 1: also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we
Speaker 1: must offer resistance by a universal war. So the protocols claim,
Speaker 1: if a country finally wises up to our conspiracy and
Speaker 1: goes to war with us, we have to get everyone
Speaker 1: else to go to war with that country, which the
Speaker 1: Germans climate started World War Two. This is the Jews
Speaker 1: getting all of the world old against us, right, That's
Speaker 1: why everyone is at war with us, because the Jews
Speaker 1: made them be. Now, the reality of the situation is
Speaker 1: that Germany invaded Poland, whose sovereignty was backed by both
Speaker 1: France and England. Russia and Germany actually had a treaty
Speaker 1: which they split up with by which they split up
Speaker 1: Poland and Russia sent raw materials into the Third Reich.
Speaker 1: Germany didn't go to war with Russia until they chose
Speaker 1: to invade a country that was giving them oil on
Speaker 1: the basis. Likewise, the United States did not jump into
Speaker 1: war against Germany. We were neutral. The Nazis enjoyed a
Speaker 1: huge base of support among the American electorate. It was
Speaker 1: Hitler who declared war on the United States after Pearl Harbor,
Speaker 1: which was a bad call. The fact that Germany when
Speaker 1: a bit war with the entire world was no one's
Speaker 1: fault but Germany's. They're blaming it on this jew It's like, no,
Speaker 1: you kept declaring war on people, What do you think
Speaker 1: it would happen? They thought they had a guy that
Speaker 1: liked to talk a little spicy, and they can like
Speaker 1: say he was out of controls though it's everybody else's fault.
Speaker 1: You thought you could beat the whole world at a war,
Speaker 1: and I guess you came pretty close. Yeah, deah, pretty good.
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, it was not anyone else's fault, but
Speaker 1: you're fucking owned now the fact that, yeah, so even
Speaker 1: though obviously to any person actually observing things, this was
Speaker 1: all Hitler's fault, right he had he he was starting
Speaker 1: all of these wars. Even so, Stryker's dear Stirmer used
Speaker 1: the outbreak of hostilities is evidence that the Jewish conspiracy
Speaker 1: was real and dedicated to Germany's downfall. Quote. At the
Speaker 1: end of the past century, world jewry believed that it
Speaker 1: was on the threshold of world domination. The world's leading
Speaker 1: Jews gathered in Basil in eight seven. They decided to
Speaker 1: follow a system, medic and criminal program to reach their
Speaker 1: final goal. They wrote the program for a total and
Speaker 1: complete achievement of world domination. It is known under the
Speaker 1: name of the Zionist Protocols. The Striker Do they ever
Speaker 1: mention who these world leading Jews are? Do they ever? Not?
Speaker 1: Not by name? You're left to assumes Rothschilds are probably
Speaker 1: a part of it, right, that's an old onoman But
Speaker 1: like no they that's part of why it's a good conspiracy.
Speaker 1: You don't want to throw in a name in means
Speaker 1: it's falsifiable, and why we can actually disprove that if
Speaker 1: we start using real names, that we can prove this
Speaker 1: guy was in a different place in eighteen nineties or whatever.
Speaker 1: Striker argued that the war had not begun because Hitler
Speaker 1: had misjudged France in England and assuming they wouldn't go
Speaker 1: to war over Poland, or that he had again misjudged
Speaker 1: the USSR when he assumed that country would collapse after
Speaker 1: a few months of blitz Creek. No, the greatest war
Speaker 1: in history had started because the Nazis dared oppose World
Speaker 1: Jewry's plans for world domination. When the Protocols were written,
Speaker 1: the monarchs of Europe had been the great bulwark against
Speaker 1: Jewish schemes. Now that they'd fallen, Striker argued, the Nazis
Speaker 1: were all that was left. As German tanks rolled into France,
Speaker 1: the Nazi government sent an official statement to the World
Speaker 1: Wire Service. Could the war plans of Jewry be more
Speaker 1: clearly expressed? Non Jews read the Protocols of the Learned
Speaker 1: Elders of Zion and reckon is the secret plans and
Speaker 1: methods and means Jews adopted, sees for themselves unlimited power
Speaker 1: over the world. This is like an official government statement
Speaker 1: sent out at the offsbreak of hostilities. Yeah, this is
Speaker 1: this is so interesting because I think, uh, for forever,
Speaker 1: I've always understood it being like, oh, Hitler just didn't
Speaker 1: like Jews, Like he wasn't a fan, he didn't like
Speaker 1: their faces. So they killed them all because he didn't
Speaker 1: like them. And instead he's like made a hero story
Speaker 1: out of it where he's like, Yo, if we don't
Speaker 1: kill them, they're going to destroy the planet. Yeah. You
Speaker 1: cannot get people to do things like the s S
Speaker 1: men who ran the death camps did, or like the
Speaker 1: the Instz Group and the Special Task Groups the first
Speaker 1: organized at like genocide acts were taken in the East
Speaker 1: and Ukraine, in in western Russia by these these special
Speaker 1: units of mostly cops, like the Germans would take cops
Speaker 1: and send them to the Eastern Front and they would
Speaker 1: massacre Jews by guns. And it was there was one
Speaker 1: massacre Bobby Yard where they killed like thirty thou people
Speaker 1: in a day, just lighting them up and shooting women
Speaker 1: and children and babies. Um, you can't do that if
Speaker 1: you don't believe you're fighting in some sort of you
Speaker 1: have to at least have a lie to tell yourself
Speaker 1: about why this is a noble act. It's too hard
Speaker 1: and part of why they move the extermination camps is
Speaker 1: that most of those guys killed themselves, right, Like, even
Speaker 1: if you're a hardcore Nazi, doing that just destroys you.
Speaker 1: You can't people there's like maybe a one percent of
Speaker 1: a percent of people are just so broken that it
Speaker 1: doesn't damage them. But even Nazis were destroyed doing the
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Speaker 1: need this if you're going to convince a large body
Speaker 1: of men to do the worst thing a group of
Speaker 1: men has ever done in history. Um, because there's I mean,
Speaker 1: there's other genoci is, there's other horrible acts of racism.
Speaker 1: No one kills as many people as quickly intentionally as
Speaker 1: the Nazis do in the last two years of World
Speaker 1: War two. There's no like. It's it's like, there is
Speaker 1: a degree to which it deserves to stand on its
Speaker 1: own and it's and it is a mix of the
Speaker 1: speed and the intentionality of the murder. And that's only
Speaker 1: possible when you can convince people there there there's a
Speaker 1: crusade that they're part of, you know. Shortly before the
Speaker 1: Worst War started in early nineteen forty one, Hitler gave
Speaker 1: a speech before the Reichstag that is often seen as
Speaker 1: one of the first pieces of evidence that the Holocaust
Speaker 1: was planned ahead of the war and directed by Hitler. Again,
Speaker 1: his name isn't on anything authorizing the extermination of the Jews,
Speaker 1: and as part because Hitler was not a dumb guy, right,
Speaker 1: you don't, you don't put your name on that, And
Speaker 1: it's like, you just don't. That's a bad idea. But
Speaker 1: so historians have tried to piece together things that he
Speaker 1: said that shows he was thinking about extermination well before
Speaker 1: the death camps got operational. One of the pieces of
Speaker 1: evidence that people will use for this is a speech
Speaker 1: he gave in ninety one before the Reichstag, was right
Speaker 1: before the outbreak of war. Today, I will once more
Speaker 1: be a prophet. If the international Jewish financiers in and
Speaker 1: outside of Europe should succeed in plunging nations once more
Speaker 1: into a world war, then the result will not be
Speaker 1: the Bolshevization of the earth and this victory of Jewry,
Speaker 1: but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe. So again,
Speaker 1: here's Hitler saying, and this is after, I mean the
Speaker 1: war has started. This is after the the all of
Speaker 1: the players are involved before all like Russia is not
Speaker 1: in it yet, the US isn't really in it yet. Um,
Speaker 1: this is the early hostilities. Hitler says. If these if
Speaker 1: this Jewish conspiracy brings the world to war, brings everyone
Speaker 1: to war against Germany, we will annihilate the Jewish race.
Speaker 1: That's why it's used as evidence that he directed the Holocaust,
Speaker 1: because here's him saying, and here's him saying, if there's
Speaker 1: a world, we're going to kill all these motherfucker's um.
Speaker 1: Now we know Hitler was not a believer in the protocols,
Speaker 1: but he did believe that what they claimed was internally true,
Speaker 1: and the millions of Germans listening to him at home
Speaker 1: during the speech had been primed to believe him by
Speaker 1: years excerpts from the Protocols in Vulkshire, bear backter Der Schirmer,
Speaker 1: and other Nazi publications. In September of nineteen forty two,
Speaker 1: Nazism's armies evidently ascendant and the entire world at war
Speaker 1: with Germany, Hitler addressed his people again in my speech
Speaker 1: before the reichstad on the first of September nineteen thirty nine,
Speaker 1: I spoke of two matters. First, since we are forced
Speaker 1: into war, neither the threat of weapons nor a period
Speaker 1: of transitions shall conquer us. Second, if World Jewry launches
Speaker 1: another war in order to destroy the Area Nations of Europe,
Speaker 1: it will not be the Area Nations that will be destroyed,
Speaker 1: but the Jews. Once the German Jews laughed at my prophecy,
Speaker 1: I do not known whether or they now they are
Speaker 1: still laughing, or whether they are laughing on the other
Speaker 1: side of their faces. I can simply repeat they will
Speaker 1: stop laughing altogether, and I will fulfill my prophecy in
Speaker 1: this field too. Ah, that's just yeah, he just needed
Speaker 1: to learn to be made fun of a little bit.
Speaker 1: That's a guy who really took himself super seriously in
Speaker 1: a way that was hugely detrimental to the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot about his early life that we talked,
Speaker 1: but we're like, yeah, he's not good at He's not
Speaker 1: good at I mean he thought he was. He was
Speaker 1: enraged by the idea that he would dance because dancing
Speaker 1: would make him look silly, like he was enraged by
Speaker 1: the idea that a girl he liked might dance, because
Speaker 1: he thought dancing was silly. And yet he chose that mustache.
Speaker 1: Come on, my guy. Yeah, I mean so did Charlie
Speaker 1: chaplin Um and sorry that first speech. Don't forgive I
Speaker 1: know what a choice. He must have just been thinking, like,
Speaker 1: you know what, I think I'm famous enough to rehabilitate
Speaker 1: this mustache. Let's do this. I mean, speaking of conspiracy theories,
Speaker 1: there's so many around Michael Jordan's sure, are there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who claim that he murdered
Speaker 1: his father or not murdered. But but is the cause
Speaker 1: of his father being murdered. Serious theories that he had
Speaker 1: to leave bass cootball for gambling debts, conspiracy series that
Speaker 1: he was throwing games. There is stuff. I can't speak
Speaker 1: to most of it, but I have trouble imagining that
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan couldn't have made enough money in basketball to
Speaker 1: cover his gambling debts. Yeah, skip that part. I think
Speaker 1: I think he was doing all right. I think the
Speaker 1: theory is more that he had gambling debts that went
Speaker 1: unpaid and people wanted vengeance in a way that would
Speaker 1: actually hurt Michael Jordan's which the money would not um,
Speaker 1: and then subsequently killed his dad, and then he quit
Speaker 1: basketball because he couldn't get past the the shitty feeling.
Speaker 1: There's a lot. There's a lot going on besides that
Speaker 1: questionable mustache is what I was allusing. All I know
Speaker 1: about him is that he was real damn good at basketball,
Speaker 1: less good at baseball and golf. Um that he's a
Speaker 1: he's a mean, mean but the best. Yeah, but space
Speaker 1: Jam was pretty rad. It was nice to bugs, Bunny,
Speaker 1: you got I mean, you don't want you don't want
Speaker 1: to piss off bugs bugs money? No bugs, Bunny will
Speaker 1: fuck you up. So um yeah, speaking of yeah boy
Speaker 1: um so yeah. I don't know, man, Um, that's that's
Speaker 1: more or less. It's like right. I I mentioned those
Speaker 1: two speeches both because they clearly have some of the
Speaker 1: DNA and the protocols in them, and they're they're often
Speaker 1: seen as direct evidence that Hitler personally directed the Holocaust. Um.
Speaker 1: I think the majority this isn't. I will say the
Speaker 1: question of Hitler's direct like direct direction of the Holocaust
Speaker 1: is debated to some extent. I think there's very broad
Speaker 1: agreement that it was. It was instituted at his command
Speaker 1: and largely with his understanding, even though he was a delegator, right,
Speaker 1: he wasn't sure like mapping out how the deaf camps
Speaker 1: would work. He had guys like Reinhard Heydrich and Um
Speaker 1: and Adolf Eichman to do that stuff. But he he
Speaker 1: he ordered it, which is which is the way that
Speaker 1: all governments work, right at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: you know, even the bombs that get dropped on another country,
Speaker 1: the president didn't like pick the spot. He just sort
Speaker 1: of gets a guy to pick the spot and do
Speaker 1: the Yeah, they'll hand him a couple of spots and
Speaker 1: he'll say, Okay, let's let's do that one. My experience
Speaker 1: writing the Amtrak has prepared me to know where to bomb.
Speaker 1: Maybe the way our government works doesn't make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense, is what I'm saying. Um, but yeah, um
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Uh, it's I think one of
Speaker 1: the things. Again, there's a lot, and it's much more
Speaker 1: debated the degree which the protocols would have influenced Hitler.
Speaker 1: I think because they influenced so much of the propaganda
Speaker 1: that he would have consumed as a young man, they
Speaker 1: had an impact on him. You can see shades of
Speaker 1: them in those speeches he was giving. I think they're
Speaker 1: bigger impact on the Holocaust was in preparing the people
Speaker 1: of Europe to accept and cheer on the extermination of
Speaker 1: their Jewish neighbors. In our Holocaust remembrance media, we tend
Speaker 1: to focus on the happiest stories that exist from that time,
Speaker 1: stuff like Schindler's List, right, um, Stuff like the story
Speaker 1: of like those the neighbors who protected Anne Frank and
Speaker 1: her family are at least attempted to stories of good
Speaker 1: people risking or sacrificing their lives to protect their Jewish neighbors.
Speaker 1: This happened a bunch. It's fair. The stories of what
Speaker 1: what the Israel calls the righteous among nations, the non
Speaker 1: Jews who protected Jews in the Holocaust, very important stories, Um,
Speaker 1: but they were not the norm. That's why they're highlighted
Speaker 1: because most people were not just willing to let this happen.
Speaker 1: They eagerly turned in their Jewish neighbors. In France when
Speaker 1: the Nazis tick over, French citizens handed over so many
Speaker 1: Jews to the Nazis. The Nazis had to tell them
Speaker 1: to stop because they couldn't they couldn't handle that many
Speaker 1: people that quickly. UM. And Frances, where the Protocols of
Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion first appeared, you know, that had
Speaker 1: an impact on why that was the case, because a
Speaker 1: lot of people thought, and there's more to it than that,
Speaker 1: but it was the same in Ukraine and Poland and Russia.
Speaker 1: Villagers massacred their neighbors. Has happened a lot. In Poland,
Speaker 1: the Germans would come in and they would find the
Speaker 1: Jews in the village already dead because people would kill
Speaker 1: them to take their stuff. And a lot of times
Speaker 1: it's more complex than the protocol scrambled these people's brains.
Speaker 1: Most of them probably had heard excerpts from the Protocols
Speaker 1: over the years, most of them had never read it.
Speaker 1: But in many cases, the most direct motivation for the
Speaker 1: genocide was economic. It's the same thing with, for example,
Speaker 1: the internment of Japanese American citizens, which was directly lobbied
Speaker 1: for by white farmers in California because they wanted to
Speaker 1: take those people's land. A lot of times, when you're
Speaker 1: talking about Jews being turned in by people in Europe,
Speaker 1: it was because the people turning them in or even
Speaker 1: just murdering them, wanted to gain access to their farms
Speaker 1: or businesses. The Nazis had a policy of arianization, where
Speaker 1: they would take businesses from Jewish people and give them
Speaker 1: to quote unquote arians. But the Protocols and the propaganda
Speaker 1: that the Protocols inspired provided a moral justification for this process.
Speaker 1: Because people don't want to just think I killed my
Speaker 1: neighbor because I'm greedy. It's much easier to think my
Speaker 1: neighbor was conspiring against me, so it's right that I
Speaker 1: take his ship. You know, that's a lot easier to
Speaker 1: square yourself with It changes murdering or turning in your
Speaker 1: neighbor from a venal act of slaughter for profit to
Speaker 1: an act of racial self defense. We needed the Native
Speaker 1: Americans to be savages otherwise this doesn't work. The whole
Speaker 1: plan is faulty if, in fact, it was common for
Speaker 1: white settlers too like leave white society and join Native
Speaker 1: American tribes because it was much more pleasant to like
Speaker 1: live that way than it was to like live in
Speaker 1: fucking New York City in sixt eighty um. The fact, like,
Speaker 1: we we can't talk that. We have to just depict
Speaker 1: them as like scalping people and stuff, because you know,
Speaker 1: that's the way it goes. The Protocols of the Elders
Speaker 1: of Zion still spread today. Americans like Henry Ford played
Speaker 1: a significant role in spreading in here. And we haven't
Speaker 1: even talked about him, but he he published the protocols
Speaker 1: in the United States. Henry Ford spent huge amounts of
Speaker 1: money trying to get the Protocols of the Elders of
Speaker 1: Zion and as many people's hands as possible. He only
Speaker 1: stopped doing this when World War Two broke out. Like
Speaker 1: a lot of Western anti Semites, the sheer brutality of
Speaker 1: the Holocaust forced him to at least pretend that he
Speaker 1: hadn't agreed with everything the Nazis. I just published it.
Speaker 1: I didn't whoa, whoa. I was just saying they were
Speaker 1: trying to kill us all. I didn't think we'd murdered them.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Henry, yeah, Dick. So the wake of
Speaker 1: the Holocaust led to a collapse in public support for
Speaker 1: outright anti Semitism, but the protocols didn't go away, nor
Speaker 1: did they become only the purview of fringe neo Nazis,
Speaker 1: and staid they became sublimated into the American mindset in
Speaker 1: a lot of cases, stripped of the direct anti semitism,
Speaker 1: but not stripped of it's a power to kind of
Speaker 1: convince people of a rubric of violence that was being
Speaker 1: planned against them. I laid out this process in detail
Speaker 1: when we talked about Columbia, but it happened here too.
Speaker 1: Right starts as an anti Semitic conspiracy theory. The anti
Speaker 1: Semitism never gets fully stripped out, but the conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: and the way it changes how people think, that's what
Speaker 1: has the greatest impact. In the United States. We have
Speaker 1: not yet in this country had our equivalent of Laviollncia,
Speaker 1: but over the last several decades, we have watched a
Speaker 1: series of conspiracy theory spread in subcultures right and left wing.
Speaker 1: The New World Order and Illuminati conspiracy theories are both
Speaker 1: direct descendants of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Speaker 1: In fact, they are the same conspiracy that a tiny
Speaker 1: and ancient cabal of wealthy families are working together to
Speaker 1: destroy humanity. When you scratch these theories deep enough, a
Speaker 1: well of anti Semitism always rises up. It's why George
Speaker 1: Soros is such a big part of so many people's conspiracy.
Speaker 1: You know, not like he's a billionaire, they're all bad,
Speaker 1: but like he's he's he's not trying to destroy the world.
Speaker 1: He's different than those other billionaires, and he's just a
Speaker 1: guy who needs to be taxed more. Um. Yeah, It's
Speaker 1: why a lot of non racist believers of the New
Speaker 1: World Order back in the nineties would, once they had
Speaker 1: a couple of drinks in them, call it the jew
Speaker 1: World Order, because again, the anti Semitism has never stripped
Speaker 1: out entirely. Alex Jones is a great example of this.
Speaker 1: He is not a dumb man, and he is careful
Speaker 1: enough to never call his globalists Jews, but his collars
Speaker 1: are not so careful. On the show Knowledge Fight, one
Speaker 1: of my favorite podcasts, Dan Freeze and his documented repeatedly
Speaker 1: callers into Innfo Wars asking Alex's opinion on the Jews,
Speaker 1: and he will generally push back on this and just
Speaker 1: move on very quickly to the next caller. But he
Speaker 1: has an employee named Harrison Smith who is less quoit on.
Speaker 1: On Harrison Smith Show, Smith will regularly talk about Jewish
Speaker 1: domination of the media and the government for hours with
Speaker 1: his callers because they all know what Alex is saying.
Speaker 1: Q and On also holds within it the DNA of
Speaker 1: the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I found a
Speaker 1: right up by Gregory Stanton on the website Just Security
Speaker 1: that lays this out well enough. Gregory worked for Genocide
Speaker 1: Watch and the Alliance to Prevent Genocide and as a result,
Speaker 1: is one of those folks who spends his life trawling
Speaker 1: the underbelly of the Internet looking for the telltale fingerprints
Speaker 1: of the protocols. He writes, Q and On pervades the
Speaker 1: fantasy that a secret Satan worshiping cabal is taking over
Speaker 1: the world. Its members kidnapped white children, keep them in secret.
Speaker 1: Prisons were run by pedophiles, slaughter and eat them to
Speaker 1: gain power from the essence in their blood. The cabal
Speaker 1: held the American presidency under the Clintons, and Obama nearly
Speaker 1: took power again in two thousand sixteen and lurks in
Speaker 1: a deep state financed by Jews, including George Soros and
Speaker 1: in Jews who control the media. They went to disarmed
Speaker 1: citizens and defund the police. They promote abortion, transgender rights,
Speaker 1: and homosexuality. They went to open borders so brown illegal
Speaker 1: aliens can invade America and mongrelize the white race. Q
Speaker 1: and On true believers think Donald Trump will rescue America
Speaker 1: from the Satanic ball. At the time of the storm,
Speaker 1: supporters of the Capitol will be round of the Cabal
Speaker 1: will be rounded up and executed. The q and On
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory has now spread to neo Nazis in Germany,
Speaker 1: where over two hundred thousand German German q and On
Speaker 1: accounts infests the Internet. A faction known as Reichberger or
Speaker 1: Citizens of the Reich, orchestrated a brief storming of the
Speaker 1: German Parliament on August twenty nine. Oh Man Jesus Christ
Speaker 1: I've also never heard it explicitly stated as stealing white children.
Speaker 1: They don't say that because they want to deny that
Speaker 1: it's racism, but they're they're they're focused on illegal aliens
Speaker 1: and very they're trying to change the character of this nation.
Speaker 1: They're trying to change the way this nation looks. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't say they're trying to make replace white people.
Speaker 1: Q and On doesn't, but that's what they're saying. They'll
Speaker 1: find their way to that part. And you can find
Speaker 1: Nazis saying like, hey, Q and On is a great
Speaker 1: way to convince people of white genocide conspiracy theories. They're
Speaker 1: already halfway there, you know, um boil boy, it's great,
Speaker 1: it's good. My favorite part is how even if you
Speaker 1: can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's fake,
Speaker 1: people will still believe it. That's the thing that gives
Speaker 1: me hope. It's it's the conspiracies are so layered now
Speaker 1: that it's like to to to prove it wrong is
Speaker 1: only to prove that the conspiracy theory is deeper than
Speaker 1: we even knew it was. And it it one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why arguing with conspiracy theorists is basically pointless,
Speaker 1: is that if you're not one of them, they will
Speaker 1: always spend more time thinking about this and as soon
Speaker 1: as you point out one thing that's false, slill bring
Speaker 1: up something you've never even considered, and you won't be
Speaker 1: ready to counter it, right like, because that's like this
Speaker 1: is their whole life is thinking about all the different branches. Okay,
Speaker 1: well but what about this? What about this? It's the
Speaker 1: same thing, like Ben Shapiro does not in a conspiratorial way.
Speaker 1: It's a debate tactic and it's not it's not an
Speaker 1: ethical debate tactic, but it's how you win debates. It's
Speaker 1: by bringing up more things than your opponent can refute,
Speaker 1: you know. The gish gill up is another term for it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: He also employs this strategy that I think is is
Speaker 1: now becoming super effective of being like, well, debate me,
Speaker 1: and it's it's, well, what are we debating? I've already
Speaker 1: proven you wrong, But it's like, no, let's bring this
Speaker 1: to a public form so that I can distract you.
Speaker 1: And then if I don't debate you, now I'm the
Speaker 1: idiot who couldn't debate been Ben Shapiro on his public
Speaker 1: platform and it's not enough to show like, Okay, you
Speaker 1: lied about this one thing, He's already moved on to
Speaker 1: the next lie. And like, if you're not ready to
Speaker 1: counter every single lie, you're going to It's the same way.
Speaker 1: That's why. That's another reason why the syncretism of conspiracy theories.
Speaker 1: Being able to pull everything into this grand conspiracy theory
Speaker 1: makes it stronger because you like start arguing about one
Speaker 1: thing like Okay, well what about this, what about this?
Speaker 1: What about this? And like you'll never be ready to
Speaker 1: That's why facts, facts are not the answer to beating
Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. Providing people with the things that they're missing
Speaker 1: that caused them to believe in the conspiracy theory is
Speaker 1: the only real long term solution to to de radicalizing them. Um,
Speaker 1: and that's hard. Yeah, nobody's worried about the cabal when
Speaker 1: they're happy in their home exactly. It's like in the
Speaker 1: twenties they tried the ship in Colombia didn't spread because
Speaker 1: people were doing good. It's when ship's fucked up that
Speaker 1: these things have a lot easier time spreading. Thankfully, everything's
Speaker 1: getting better in the world. We can all agree on that. Well, Langston,
Speaker 1: we did it. How you doing I'm doing good. I
Speaker 1: had a lovely time. This is great. Well, I'm glad
Speaker 1: you had a lovely time talking about the protocols of
Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion. I I learned a lot. I
Speaker 1: don't feel better on our show. You never feel better
Speaker 1: at the end. Yeah. Learning things about the world never
Speaker 1: makes it easier. There was no healing for me personally,
Speaker 1: but maybe maybe someone at home will feel a little
Speaker 1: bit of catharsis at the end of this bad Boy.
Speaker 1: So our our job here isn't to heal people. It's
Speaker 1: to just stick a finger in the wound a little
Speaker 1: bit deeper, you know. That's that's apparently why four million
Speaker 1: times a month people download this show because they all
Speaker 1: have they all have wounds that they want fingers. Stick
Speaker 1: that finger in me, Please stick that finger in. All right,
Speaker 1: we'll be back next week and we'll talk about I
Speaker 1: don't know Will Wheaton, No, he's a monster. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: before we go, Lankson, is there anything you want to
Speaker 1: plug for our listeners? Oh yeah, please listen to my
Speaker 1: very silly, far less research podcast. It's called My Mama
Speaker 1: Told Me. We talk about conspiracy theories, specifically in the
Speaker 1: black community. It's it's a a good time. I recommend
Speaker 1: tell Yeah, well so do I and I don't know.
Speaker 1: What do we what? What's a good joke to end
Speaker 1: on Sophie? I don't know, Robert, Well, I don't have
Speaker 1: any jokes. That's not my job. Yeah, I guess the
Speaker 1: joke is that the degeneration of society is largely inevitable. Everything. Oh,
Speaker 1: we have fun, Bye bye,