WEBVTT - Part Two: The Conspiracy to Begin All Conspiracies 

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<v Speaker 1>M hmm, we're back. This is behind the bastard's part.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not back, Sophie. Sophie gets started. We're not back. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>abat my guest again, Mr Langston Kerman Langston, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you doing to day. I'm doing fantastic. I'm I'm excited

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<v Speaker 1>to to dig further into the horrors of anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 1>and and how it stretches across the world. It's fun,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's good ship, you know. One of the

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<v Speaker 1>things that fun it's it's not fun or good ship,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a nightmare. Um. One of the things that's most

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<v Speaker 1>I guess ironic would be the term for me. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like the protocols of the Elder's Zion, right we just

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<v Speaker 1>talked about it's set up, is like the minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>a meeting about how to destroy Christianity basically, right. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>When it comes to the Holocaust, one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>important documents we have for sort of because one of

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<v Speaker 1>the big questions of the hall Alocaust for historians for

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<v Speaker 1>years was was it planned ahead of time or did

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<v Speaker 1>it just sort of evolve out of out of the war, Right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>how early was the Holocaust plan? When did they know

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<v Speaker 1>they were going to do this. How centralized was it

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<v Speaker 1>and how much personal responsibility did Hitler have right because

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<v Speaker 1>they they have a big meeting or did they just

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<v Speaker 1>sort of like come up with this on the fly.

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<v Speaker 1>And they did have a big meeting, and we have

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<v Speaker 1>the minutes of that meeting. It's called the von Say Conference.

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<v Speaker 1>It was held in a house in the suburbs of

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<v Speaker 1>Berlin that I've been to. The house is a museum

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<v Speaker 1>now you can go see where Reinhard Hydrick and a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of other assholes sat in a room and worked

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<v Speaker 1>out how are we going to do a holocaust? How

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<v Speaker 1>do we we We've tried all these methods of killing people.

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<v Speaker 1>Shooting them doesn't work because it's too expensive and it

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<v Speaker 1>sucks our soldiers heads up. We've tried gassing them in vans,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not very efficient. We have so many more people,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we gonna do? Okay? And they they arrive

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<v Speaker 1>at the solution that they use. This is like two,

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<v Speaker 1>while the war in Russia is forty three. Maybe the

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<v Speaker 1>war in rushes at its height. So there is an

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<v Speaker 1>actual conspiratorial meeting eating that. We have the the minutes too.

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<v Speaker 1>And again when I talked with the difference between a

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<v Speaker 1>real conspiracy and a fake one. That conspiracy has a

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<v Speaker 1>very clear beginning and a very clear ending. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>extend forward and backwards in time. A bunch of guys

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<v Speaker 1>met in a room and planned to commit mass murder

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<v Speaker 1>and then they did it. You know, it's not like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it this in a strange way, and I love that

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<v Speaker 1>I keep making hip hop references, but it's a similar

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory sort of exists about the c I a

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<v Speaker 1>planning to to basically like create, uh destroy the black population. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but not only crack, but also like by adding violence

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<v Speaker 1>into hip hop, they would like forced black people to

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<v Speaker 1>go to jail more often than sensequently, break down our communities.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's a belief that there was an actual like

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<v Speaker 1>meeting of the mind for like all the the the

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<v Speaker 1>music heads of every sort of come but he came

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<v Speaker 1>together and said, how can we add more violence into

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<v Speaker 1>hip hop? So these black people murder each other. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot like and like a lot of conspiration. There's

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<v Speaker 1>like a germ of reality in there, which is that

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA, it wasn't as direct as a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people think, but the CIA actually absolutely supported the cocaine

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<v Speaker 1>trade that led to the crack trade in order to

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<v Speaker 1>launder money so that they could buy weapons for these

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<v Speaker 1>different groups that were like, it's a thing that happened. Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>CIA has a huge part in the global cocaine trade. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>The idea that anyone would need to meet in order

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<v Speaker 1>to like insert violence into a part of American pop

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<v Speaker 1>culture is very funny to me that like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>The CIA definitely did it with but they weren't like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and now we can maybe we should add a beat

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<v Speaker 1>to this, maybe have a few fellas freestyled about it.

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<v Speaker 1>We could really break down there. Uh what if we

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<v Speaker 1>added a beat to this? It is not a thing

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<v Speaker 1>the CIA ever sat down and asked themselves. They asked themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>how can we get these planes of cocaine into the

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<v Speaker 1>country so that we can buy more missiles for our

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<v Speaker 1>friends in order to let the massacre poor people in

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<v Speaker 1>Latin America? Um, which is more or less the actual story. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean we'll do we'll we'll do episodes on that

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<v Speaker 1>at some point. It's a great story, um, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of um, former d E agents and stuff

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<v Speaker 1>who turned and who wrote about like being ordered not

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<v Speaker 1>to arrest to let planes in. Like there's one of

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<v Speaker 1>the more consistent things you find is that wind conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theories are true. It's because somebody talked. Almost always someone

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<v Speaker 1>talks yea, and though times when it's not true, they've

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<v Speaker 1>never gotten anybody to talk because there is no one

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the ship. Yeah, that's kind of where

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<v Speaker 1>I land on a lot of stuff where it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>we know the CIA had a lot of involvement in

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<v Speaker 1>the fucking cocaine trade because a bunch of dudes talked

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<v Speaker 1>about it, like documented evidence to right, Like we got

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<v Speaker 1>snitches and stuff. There were people who like believed in

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<v Speaker 1>something when they got into the c I A or

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<v Speaker 1>the I think it's mostly d E A guys, but

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<v Speaker 1>who believed in something and then like realized what they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing and they wrote about it and anyway, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this at some point. This was too much

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<v Speaker 1>of a digression, although we are talking about Columbia, so

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it's appropriate that we talked about cocaine because

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about conspiracies in Colombia and there have been

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. Colombia is a real conspiracy place. Um, you

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<v Speaker 1>want to do a conspiracy. That's that's one of your

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<v Speaker 1>top countries to go to. Um unfortunately. Uh so. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>when most people who know about the Protocols think about

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<v Speaker 1>like the consequences of the spread of this conspiracy theory,

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<v Speaker 1>they think about the Holocaust, and for good fucking reason.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Protocols left a trail of bodies wherever they spread,

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't always do it in the way you

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<v Speaker 1>would expect. The way it the Protocols led to death

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't always it leads to pogroms against Jewish people. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot weirder than that in some cases. And

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<v Speaker 1>today we're going to talk about the spread of the

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<v Speaker 1>Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Colombia because it

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<v Speaker 1>both kind of explains this specific example gives my examples

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<v Speaker 1>of how it spread in other parts of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>but also the kind of unexpected impacts that the spread

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<v Speaker 1>of this conspiracy theory could have in a country. The

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<v Speaker 1>Protocols first made it to Latin America in the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of World War One, during the first Great diaspora for

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<v Speaker 1>the infamous conspiracy theory. The vector of infection was the

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic clergy, most of whom were sent to Central or

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<v Speaker 1>South America from parts of Europe, where the Protocols had

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<v Speaker 1>been spreading for more than twenty years. In Colombia, the

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<v Speaker 1>Protocols entered through members of an elite Jesuit order who

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<v Speaker 1>kept close ties with their brothers across the ocean. The

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<v Speaker 1>first Spanish language translation of the Protocols was printed in

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<v Speaker 1>Leipzig in nineteen twenty seven, but the version that actually

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<v Speaker 1>spread most widely in Latin America was a French translation

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<v Speaker 1>spread by a journal that had been established by an

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<v Speaker 1>Augustinian friar, titled The Review of International Secret Societies. This yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so this friar has like a magazine dedicated to secret

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<v Speaker 1>societies that he does on like the side. This is

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<v Speaker 1>this guy's hobby. It had been established in nineteen o

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<v Speaker 1>nine to investigate the Freemasons and other secret societies. And

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<v Speaker 1>today very few people talk about the Freemasons. That conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 1>You you can find bits and pieces of it here

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<v Speaker 1>and there, but like it's not it's not in the

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<v Speaker 1>mainstream of conspiracies anymore. You can you like you dig

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<v Speaker 1>it off to queue it on. You'll find people talking

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<v Speaker 1>about fucking Freemasons and stuff, but it's not the front rank.

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<v Speaker 1>But back in the early night or the early nineteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>the Freemasons were again like the big fucking thing to

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<v Speaker 1>be obsessed with, and the Catholic Church had actually had

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<v Speaker 1>a whole bug up its ass about Freemasonry for centuries. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>They believed it was dangerously anti Christian. It was because

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<v Speaker 1>Freemasons were like social organizations of rich people, and they

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<v Speaker 1>did exert a lot of soft power because all it's

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<v Speaker 1>the same like school and bones. All these rich people

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<v Speaker 1>are hanging out together, they're making plans and they're not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a thing the Catholic Church has any p stuff, right.

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<v Speaker 1>The Catholic Church is a big gang, right, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>mop and they don't they don't like that. There's all

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<v Speaker 1>these that like that. That's their issue with the Freemasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Lings infamously don't like other gangs. Uh, that's what's happening here. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, some weird friar with a side hustle ranting

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<v Speaker 1>about Freemason's helped ignite a wave of anti Semitism in

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<v Speaker 1>Colombia that led to the deaths of spoilers a couple

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand people. So, yeah, it's some good ship. It

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<v Speaker 1>is it is not some good ship. I should I

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<v Speaker 1>should get it, I should get another go to phrase,

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<v Speaker 1>um yeah, and I'm gonna quote now from a write

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<v Speaker 1>up by historian Thomas Williford about the Catholic Church's attitude

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<v Speaker 1>towards Freemasons. The popes were convinced that some dark conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>organized by the Masons was driving the faithful away from

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<v Speaker 1>the Universal Church truth in order to bring about the

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<v Speaker 1>collapse of the church. The claim of an international Masonic

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<v Speaker 1>cabal resonated in all Catholic countries, including Spain and its

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<v Speaker 1>former colonies in Latin America, UH, where Masons were an

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<v Speaker 1>important presence in politics. In Colombia, a string of Liberal

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<v Speaker 1>Party presidents who implemented anti clerical policies in the mid

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<v Speaker 1>nineteenth century were practicing Freemasons. So in Colombia the Left

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<v Speaker 1>takes power for a while, they pass laws restricting the

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<v Speaker 1>power of the Catholic Church. A bunch of these guys

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<v Speaker 1>are Masons. The Catholic Church is like, this is part

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<v Speaker 1>of the conspiracy. It's great. So these super Catholic Jesuit

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<v Speaker 1>weirdos were already obsessed with Freemasons. Then World War One

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<v Speaker 1>hits and the whole world, their world, the European world

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<v Speaker 1>seems to be in free fall. Communists are burning churches

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<v Speaker 1>and killing priests in the midst of all that. This

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<v Speaker 1>Friar Repent prints a translation of the Protocols of the

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<v Speaker 1>Elders of Zion that seems to explain everything because the

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<v Speaker 1>Protocols we had mentioned this last episode of should have

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<v Speaker 1>The Freemasons are in and a bunch, and the idea

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<v Speaker 1>is that the Jews are pulling the strings of the

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<v Speaker 1>Freemason's right. That's one of the groups that the Jews

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<v Speaker 1>control as part of their conspiracy. Pre existing beliefs about

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<v Speaker 1>Freemasonry were actually how the Protocols managed to in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>most of the communities they took off in early on.

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<v Speaker 1>This is why grand conspiracy theories like Q and on

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<v Speaker 1>are more successful than more syncretic they are. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>got this core conspiracy theory about a bunch of child molesters,

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<v Speaker 1>but you can rope in anti vaccine conspiracies, you can

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<v Speaker 1>bring in the JFK assassination aliens, you can integrate all

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<v Speaker 1>those things into the broader conspiracy theory. You get a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of additional vectors through which you can infect people

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<v Speaker 1>so I'm in. Maybe I'm anti vax and that's how

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<v Speaker 1>I first come across quan On propaganda and it sucks

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<v Speaker 1>me in. Or I'm obsessed with the jfk assassination, I

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<v Speaker 1>come across some video about how that ties into q

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<v Speaker 1>and On. That's what pulls me in. It makes it

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<v Speaker 1>more effective for everybody out there. That means, uh, embracing

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<v Speaker 1>the groups that you otherwise weren't necessarily aiming for the

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<v Speaker 1>first time. You wrote the ship exactly. And the way

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<v Speaker 1>that the protocols do that is you've got all these

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<v Speaker 1>guys who for centuries, a lot of these Catholics have

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<v Speaker 1>believed in a Freemason and a Masonic conspiracy, and the

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<v Speaker 1>protocol say, hey, the Jews are behind that. And Catholics

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<v Speaker 1>already not great on Jews, you know, like there there

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<v Speaker 1>were some problems there beforehand. But this is how a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of like clergy get infected by the Protocols of

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<v Speaker 1>the Elders of Zion. Now, the Vatican's official stance in

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<v Speaker 1>this period was that Jewish people were souls to be

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<v Speaker 1>saved um, but the Church supported and endorsed members of

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<v Speaker 1>the clergy who spread myths about the blood pass over

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<v Speaker 1>which we talked about in the last episode. Um Anti

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<v Speaker 1>Semitic Catholics could point to Pope Pious the Ninth, who

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen seventy three claimed that the Synagogue of Satan

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<v Speaker 1>was drawn from Masonic sects. And Pious was talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the Masons, but he described them as a synagogue of

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<v Speaker 1>the devil. So you can see this whole tying Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>people to the to the Mason's. It didn't start with

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<v Speaker 1>the with the protocols, but that was like the most

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<v Speaker 1>best organized way it was put together. Do you think

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<v Speaker 1>he used synagogue just on accident or was that also

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<v Speaker 1>intentional of my being like you know, I I also

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<v Speaker 1>don't funk with this group, by the way, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was because for a lot of specially

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<v Speaker 1>popes in those Eric synagogue is like synonym for a

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<v Speaker 1>bad place, you know, it's the bad religion, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>other than Protestantism, which is also the bad room Quarrelsome people,

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<v Speaker 1>these these Catholics, like pork. It's the other bad meat

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<v Speaker 1>that they don't care for. So a significant minority of

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<v Speaker 1>Catholics had been ranting about a Judeo Massonic anti Christian

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy for decades. By the time the Protocols hit Latin America,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first Jesuits in Colombia to really dig

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<v Speaker 1>into spreading anti Semitic garbage was a Spanish Jesuit named

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<v Speaker 1>his sus Maria Ruano. Writing a bulletin for the local

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<v Speaker 1>faithful in July of nineteen twenty two, he urged good

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<v Speaker 1>Catholics to pray for the conversion of the Jews, and

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<v Speaker 1>then went on to explain at length how since the

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<v Speaker 1>French Revolution, the Jews had controlled the economies of Europe

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<v Speaker 1>as well as all leading newspapers. Following this, he made

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<v Speaker 1>one of the first direct references to the Protocols in

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<v Speaker 1>Latin American history. Quote years later, when the abominable Protocols

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<v Speaker 1>of the Wise Men of Israel were known around the

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<v Speaker 1>world on the occasion of the Zionist Congress of eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>ninety seven, reflective historians, moralists, and patriots have not ceased

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<v Speaker 1>giving shouts aboutrage. They say that the plan of hegemony

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<v Speaker 1>and universal conquest dripped by the Jews is already manifest.

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<v Speaker 1>Is one of the first times you see the Protocols

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<v Speaker 1>referenced in Latin America. Now, nineteen twenty two was a

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<v Speaker 1>little early for this kind of rhetoric to spread, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in Colombia, which had very few Jewish people, not super

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<v Speaker 1>successful drumming up race hatred against the Jews because there's

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<v Speaker 1>not a lot of them. They don't have a deep

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<v Speaker 1>history in the country. Right, it's sucking Colombia, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a lot of people being like, what is a Jews? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>What are you? What are you? What are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>By the early nineteen thirties, the situation in the country

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<v Speaker 1>had changed. In the early twenties, the economy was great,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is another reason why this conspiracy doesn't take off.

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<v Speaker 1>Then people are making a lot of money, Exports are

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<v Speaker 1>trending steadily upward. Things are doing well in Colombia. Then

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<v Speaker 1>in the thirties, the Great Depression hits, right, and Colombia

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<v Speaker 1>gets sucked by it the way everyone does. And as

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<v Speaker 1>a result to the Great Depression, the labor movement explode.

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<v Speaker 1>So suddenly there's all these protests in the street, there's

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<v Speaker 1>these giant strikes, people are starving. What we said, whenever

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of unrest and change in a short

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<v Speaker 1>period of time, people start to go to conspiracies to

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<v Speaker 1>explain it all. Sure, the protocol started making more and

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<v Speaker 1>more frequent appearances in Jesuit publications and in sermons. By

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<v Speaker 1>the early nineteen thirties, there was significant documentation proving the

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<v Speaker 1>protocols were a forgery. When I talked about last episode

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<v Speaker 1>about how it was plagiarized from a piece of plagiarism

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<v Speaker 1>that was known at the time, people were aware of this,

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<v Speaker 1>but in what would become a common justification, Colombian Jesuits

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<v Speaker 1>argued that it didn't matter whether or not the protocols

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<v Speaker 1>were a forgery. And I'm gonna quote from a write

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<v Speaker 1>up in one of their magazines in nineteen thirty two,

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<v Speaker 1>an idea occurs to us that we cannot hide from

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<v Speaker 1>the reader, separating the question of authenticity, in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>determining whether or not these are the true minutes of

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen ninety seven Zionist Congress of Basil. No one

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<v Speaker 1>can deny the frightening veracity of the protocols due to

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<v Speaker 1>their prodigious, almost prophetic exactitude, which saturates all of its pages. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's a forgery, but it's it seems like the

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<v Speaker 1>things we already it's right, you know, like you can

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<v Speaker 1>tell it's right. Yeah, exactly exactly. We couldn't agree more.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's completely made up. It's Milannia. Trump's still in

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle's speech. It's like, yeah, we're still It's the alternative

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<v Speaker 1>facts thing is that, like, yeah, maybe it's not literally true,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's right. You know, this is what's happening. Even

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<v Speaker 1>if this document is fake, it accurately describes what I

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<v Speaker 1>know was happening because I'm a racist. Things continue to

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<v Speaker 1>ramp up throughout the thirties. The Spanish Civil War, which

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<v Speaker 1>is with its attendant massacres of priests and nuns by anarchists,

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<v Speaker 1>fuel Jesuit claims that a vast anti Christian conspiracy existed.

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<v Speaker 1>Colombian newspapers tended to cover the violence in Spain with

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<v Speaker 1>what Thomas Williford describes as an it can happen here attitude.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty seven, inspired by the Spanish Civil War,

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<v Speaker 1>a Bogata publishing house issued the first Colombian edition of

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<v Speaker 1>the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The late nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirties and forties also saw intensifying violence between Colombian liberals

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<v Speaker 1>and conservatives. Again, political order in Columbia is starting to

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<v Speaker 1>break apart at this time. By nineteen forty two, the

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<v Speaker 1>Liberals were ascendant and the head of the Conservative Party,

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<v Speaker 1>a guy named Laureano Gomez, decided to launch an anti

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<v Speaker 1>Masonic crusade, claiming that the Masons were using the Liberals

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<v Speaker 1>as a vehicle for the Jews to take control of Colombia.

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<v Speaker 1>Gomez had a right wing party newspaper that he edited

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<v Speaker 1>start printing up a booklet which he claimed to be

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<v Speaker 1>a secret account of Masonic rituals and secrets. Thomas Williford

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<v Speaker 1>writes quote. It also claimed that Colombian Liberals were part

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<v Speaker 1>of a worldwide Judeo Masonic conspiracy, especially in their attempts

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<v Speaker 1>to control public instruction. A series of government and political

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<v Speaker 1>documents were cited at length to make this point. Along

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<v Speaker 1>quote from a publication supposedly called Revisted Judeo Masonica Masonic

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<v Speaker 1>jew Magazine described diabolic instructions to pervert women in schools

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<v Speaker 1>through gymnastic exercises and revealing clothing. It was rather pornographic

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<v Speaker 1>reading for a pamphlet which also stated that it should

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<v Speaker 1>be like a second Catechism in the home. So he

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<v Speaker 1>publishes this booklet that is purporting to have excerpts from

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<v Speaker 1>a magazine that doesn't exist called Masonic jew Magazine. Is

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<v Speaker 1>this like the conspiracy has a magazine that they call

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<v Speaker 1>the and it. Part of the thing is like these

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<v Speaker 1>guys are conservative, right, they're doing too much stretching. They're there,

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<v Speaker 1>women are doing gymnastics. It's the Jews, you know. Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>people are known for gymnastics. That the gymnastics on us. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so obviously, like all of the stuff we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>this is nonsense. But the propagandic campaign was a wild success.

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<v Speaker 1>It welded militant conservatives with Catholic clergy in a unified

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<v Speaker 1>front against this Judeo Masonic liberal conspiracy. When a liberal

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<v Speaker 1>president was elected in August of nineteen forty two, Go

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<v Speaker 1>Messes magazine did not even acknowledge his inauguration, instead publishing

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<v Speaker 1>more anti Semitic propaganda. Now, this was the same period

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<v Speaker 1>where the holocaus Us was ramping up in Europe and

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<v Speaker 1>Gomez's party newspaper actually reported on the early stages of

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<v Speaker 1>the extermination, publishing an article about eighteen thousand French Jews

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<v Speaker 1>being detained, sterilized, and deported. This was in the same

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<v Speaker 1>issue where a priest father Diaz editorialized, it got about

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<v Speaker 1>the struggle against Jewish Bolsheviks. The obvious contradiction between hysterical

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<v Speaker 1>rants about an all powerful Jewish conspiracy and the reality

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<v Speaker 1>of Jewish Jewish impression under the Nazis did not seem

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<v Speaker 1>to strike anyone in the Colombian right wing as being

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit inconsistent. Four days later, Loriano Gomez would

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<v Speaker 1>go on to give the most anti Semitic speech of

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<v Speaker 1>his career, defending a bill that would have denied Masonic

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<v Speaker 1>lodges the right to exist in Columbia as corporate entities.

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<v Speaker 1>His speech defending the bill was an unhinged conspiracist rant,

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<v Speaker 1>explaining how the Jews had manipulated the Colombian middle class

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<v Speaker 1>through freemasonry while controlling the working poor through communism. He

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<v Speaker 1>claimed that his time working as Colombia's ambassador to Berlin

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<v Speaker 1>had made it clear to him how toxic the Jews

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<v Speaker 1>were a society. He claimed, the lesson of history is

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<v Speaker 1>that when the Jewish phenomenon presents itself, there are only

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<v Speaker 1>two solutions, handing the nation over to this Jews or

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<v Speaker 1>expelling them. Oh boy, yeah. Now. Gomez did not succeed

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<v Speaker 1>in passing his bill, but he succeeded in welding the

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<v Speaker 1>Colombian Conservative Party into a unified conspiracist block, blaming all

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<v Speaker 1>of their electoral defeats on an alliance of Jews and

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<v Speaker 1>Freemasons who were manipulating liberals and communists. His most fanatical

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<v Speaker 1>supporters were the middle class, small business owners, priests, and professionals. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>none of this sounds familiar. A right wing party refusing

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<v Speaker 1>to acknowledge that they lose an election, turning to conspiracy theories,

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<v Speaker 1>the middle class backing them in order to explain economic downturns.

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<v Speaker 1>None of this has ever happened since. Thank god, can

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<v Speaker 1>you imagine we've learned our lessons now. Columbia never had

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of widespread anti Semitic programs seen in Europe,

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<v Speaker 1>but the charged and often violent rhetoric pushed by Gomez

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<v Speaker 1>succeed did in making any kind of compromise between left

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<v Speaker 1>and right impossible. If the other side were literally the

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<v Speaker 1>puppets of a genocidal conspiracy to eliminate Christendom, collaboration was impossible.

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<v Speaker 1>This became a problem when the right finally made its

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<v Speaker 1>way back to power. And I'm going to quote from

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<v Speaker 1>a rite up on the website the International Relations here.

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<v Speaker 1>After nineteen forty six, traditional party competition had broken down

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<v Speaker 1>in Columbia. Mariano Aspina Perez, the newly elected president, and

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<v Speaker 1>his Conservative Party government, used the police and the army

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<v Speaker 1>to repress the Liberal Party. The Liberals then responded by

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<v Speaker 1>arming peasants to fight back against the government. This created

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<v Speaker 1>pressures within civil and political society, and violence began on

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<v Speaker 1>a small scale. It didn't stay small. The next several

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<v Speaker 1>years of Colombian history are known widely as La Violencia,

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<v Speaker 1>which I don't think I need to translate. It would

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<v Speaker 1>be too much to blame the protocols or Gomez for

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<v Speaker 1>all of this, but they and the conspiracism he fueled

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<v Speaker 1>had a major impact on how La Violencia played out.

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<v Speaker 1>As Thomas Williford writes, when the Violencia again in earnest

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen forty six, it was they The Conservatives, believing

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<v Speaker 1>that the Liberals were part of a worldwide anti Christian plot,

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<v Speaker 1>would encourage or even take part in the massacres of

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal civilians throughout the countryside. Although Lavi Aalencia would quickly

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<v Speaker 1>take on unforeseen socio economic aspects, the discursive structure that

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<v Speaker 1>provided the pretext for militants to commit murder was already

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<v Speaker 1>in place by nineteen forty two. After the Conservatives won

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<v Speaker 1>the nineteen forty six presidential election against a divided Liberal party,

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<v Speaker 1>they sought to guarantee a conservative majority around the country,

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<v Speaker 1>as the Liberals had done fifteen years earlier. However, this time,

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<v Speaker 1>partisan militants were armed with a conspiracy theory as well

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<v Speaker 1>as machetes, and felt that their duty to physically eliminate

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<v Speaker 1>the opposition in order to save the country. By some accounts,

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<v Speaker 1>more than two hundred thousand people would die over the

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<v Speaker 1>next few years of political massacres in Colombia. Boy, just machete.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ugly ship. Yeah. And what I think is there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot there. When I think is so interesting about

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<v Speaker 1>this is that the protocols enter in an anti Semitism

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<v Speaker 1>is a huge part of it, but the violence they

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<v Speaker 1>inspire isn't primarily anti Semitic. What it is is that

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<v Speaker 1>this conspiracy so infects political discourse in Colombia that it

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<v Speaker 1>makes anything but mass murder impossible as a political outcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Because the right wing got addicted to the idea that

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<v Speaker 1>these people aren't your political opponents, they're trying to exterminate

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<v Speaker 1>you as part of this conspiracy. And if that's the case,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing to do but kill them, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're you're fighting for your life exactly, and you're associating

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<v Speaker 1>even even beyond anti Semitism, you're associating anybody who's even

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<v Speaker 1>connected to the idea of of the opposition with a

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<v Speaker 1>threat to your very existence. Yeah, it's it's amazing, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's that's why I wanted to talk about Columbia,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's not it's not like it is with the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it, we'll talk We're about to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the Nazis. It's pretty straightforward, right. This propaganda convinces a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of people in Europe that they're as a Jewish conspiracy,

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<v Speaker 1>so they murder all the Jews. It's horrible, but it's

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<v Speaker 1>not shocking what happens in Colombia, is It says a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more. I think about the way conspiracies infect cultures

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<v Speaker 1>and about broadly the impact even today that the protocol

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<v Speaker 1>still have. As opposed to the much clear impact they

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<v Speaker 1>had on the Holocaust, they also created a type of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking that has spread virally throughout the world and caused

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<v Speaker 1>violence in Columbia and a bunch of other places and

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<v Speaker 1>probably will continue to inspire violence in the future. It's

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<v Speaker 1>good stuff. It's just it's wild to think that so

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<v Speaker 1>many of these seeds are permanent that, like you, you

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<v Speaker 1>would think that, like, all right, you killed all those people,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a lesson was learned, maybe we moved on and

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<v Speaker 1>grew from that, and now we don't do that anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But Nope, that's not how this works. It's like you

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<v Speaker 1>killed all those people and we like verified that the

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<v Speaker 1>document was fake, but like, go off, like what we

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<v Speaker 1>like your style, my man, and keep it going. The

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<v Speaker 1>lesson of history is that nobody has ever learned a

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<v Speaker 1>single lesson from history. But you know who has learned

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<v Speaker 1>a lesson or two in their time. The products and

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<v Speaker 1>services that sponsor the show. That's exactly it. That's exactly it.

0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:17.040
<v Speaker 1>The products and services that sponsored the show have learned

0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:19.880
<v Speaker 1>a lot um and played only I think we can

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<v Speaker 1>confidently say, played only a minor role in inspiring violencia. Alright,

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<v Speaker 1>we're back, um. So the protocols of the Elders of

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<v Speaker 1>Zion in the early twentieth century spread absolutely everywhere. We

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<v Speaker 1>could talk at equal length about their impact in Japan,

0:24:41.160 --> 0:24:44.040
<v Speaker 1>where they were translated and had a huge influence, or

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<v Speaker 1>in Argentina, where they would influence a popular Catholic novelist

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<v Speaker 1>named Hugo Vost to play a similar role in his

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<v Speaker 1>country that Gomes played in Colombia. Voss wrote a really

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<v Speaker 1>bigoted novel inspired by the Protocols, which itself inspired hordes

0:24:56.520 --> 0:24:59.560
<v Speaker 1>of anti Semites to assault Argentine Jews in the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Um so violence everywhere. The Protocols have likewise spread through

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<v Speaker 1>the Arab world, particularly as a result of israel suppression

0:25:06.520 --> 0:25:09.520
<v Speaker 1>of the Palestinian people. We could do whole episodes on that.

0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:12.800
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot to say about these um we have

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<v Speaker 1>limited time. Obviously, this is this is not a comprehensive

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<v Speaker 1>study into the impact of the Protocols of the Elders

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:21.960
<v Speaker 1>of Zion, although I have a good book to recommend

0:25:22.080 --> 0:25:24.520
<v Speaker 1>called The Global Impact of the Protocols of the Elders

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<v Speaker 1>of Zion, edited by Esther Webman, where a number of

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<v Speaker 1>different essays that we've used as sources for this episode

0:25:30.359 --> 0:25:33.879
<v Speaker 1>come from. It's if you want a broader understanding, you

0:25:33.920 --> 0:25:37.560
<v Speaker 1>can read that. I think for the closing chunk of

0:25:37.560 --> 0:25:41.080
<v Speaker 1>this episode, we kind of have to talk about the Nazis.

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.720
<v Speaker 1>The O g not, you know, like we gotta like

0:25:43.760 --> 0:25:47.520
<v Speaker 1>we gotta get like the original motherfucker's like the episode

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.400
<v Speaker 1>and didn't bring them up. It would be weird, right,

0:25:51.040 --> 0:25:53.000
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I could we could go straight into Japan

0:25:53.119 --> 0:25:54.720
<v Speaker 1>and we could go talk about the Middle East. We

0:25:54.760 --> 0:25:57.040
<v Speaker 1>could talk about like we we wouldn't don't have to

0:25:57.080 --> 0:26:01.560
<v Speaker 1>talk about the Nazis and was mean to do everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody else was fine, Yeah, I feel like we have

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about the Nazis because we're talking about anti Semitism. Um,

0:26:08.840 --> 0:26:11.439
<v Speaker 1>now you may be surprised to learn that most of

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:13.920
<v Speaker 1>the big Nazis, so maybe not after that part about Columbia,

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 1>most of the big Nazis, the head Nazis knew the

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:20.520
<v Speaker 1>protocols were a forgery and didn't particularly like them. Um,

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>they were not dumb men, and it was obvious that

0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:26.119
<v Speaker 1>they were fake. Joseph Gebbels wrote in nineteen four, I

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<v Speaker 1>believe that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is

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<v Speaker 1>a forgery. That is not because the world view of

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish aspirations expressed there in our two utopic or fantastic

0:26:34.359 --> 0:26:36.520
<v Speaker 1>one sees today how one point after the other of

0:26:36.560 --> 0:26:39.280
<v Speaker 1>the protocols is being realized, but rather because I do

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<v Speaker 1>not think the Jews are so completely stupid as not

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<v Speaker 1>to keep such important protocols secret. I believe in the

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:47.320
<v Speaker 1>inner but not the factual truth of the protocols. He's

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of saying we were saying Earlier's like, yeah, the

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Grand Conspiracy just left their minutes out, which is funny

0:26:51.800 --> 0:26:54.480
<v Speaker 1>because the Grand Conspiracy, well, not grand, but the conspiracy

0:26:54.480 --> 0:26:57.480
<v Speaker 1>he was a part of, did leave their minutes. They

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<v Speaker 1>tried to burn most of the copies of the boxes life. Listen,

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.680
<v Speaker 1>those Jews are way smarter than I am. I'm gonna

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:04.600
<v Speaker 1>leave my junk out, but they would never I'm gonna

0:27:04.640 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 1>leave that ship in a file folder. They never make

0:27:09.359 --> 0:27:13.200
<v Speaker 1>that error. Yeah, they're brilliant, not like us. Jesus were done.

0:27:15.600 --> 0:27:18.600
<v Speaker 1>So Girbels wrote this at the same time Friend of

0:27:18.600 --> 0:27:21.359
<v Speaker 1>the Pod Adolf Hitler, was in prison writing mind comp

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:27.800
<v Speaker 1>the protocols heavily influenced. What what what what? Friend of

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:32.879
<v Speaker 1>the Pod doesn't mean the object He didn't object a

0:27:32.880 --> 0:27:37.320
<v Speaker 1>Friend of the Pod Timothy McVeigh. Probably, I'm just letting

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<v Speaker 1>you know I most definitely probably did. Well, that's probably

0:27:40.440 --> 0:27:44.119
<v Speaker 1>fair so. And around the same time Gribbles wrote that

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 1>stuff about not believing in the literal truth of the protocols,

0:27:47.119 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 1>Adolph Hitler was in prison writing mind comp and the

0:27:50.240 --> 0:27:54.480
<v Speaker 1>protocols heavily influenced how he wrote his manifesto, even though

0:27:54.520 --> 0:27:56.880
<v Speaker 1>he too knew that they were fake. And I'm gonna

0:27:56.960 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 1>quote from Hitler. Yeah, this is a hit There is

0:28:02.640 --> 0:28:05.960
<v Speaker 1>a Hitler classic coming up. Yeah, this is a Hitler classic.

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 1>I mean this is like Hitler's White album when we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about my you know, so, um, here's Hitler. To

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:15.720
<v Speaker 1>what extent the whole existence of this people is based

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.280
<v Speaker 1>on this people? Being Jewish people is based on a

0:28:18.280 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 1>continuous lie. Is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews.

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.159
<v Speaker 1>They are based on a forgery. The frank Fritter Zeitung

0:28:27.240 --> 0:28:30.040
<v Speaker 1>mourns and screams once every week. The best proof that

0:28:30.080 --> 0:28:32.919
<v Speaker 1>they are authentic. What many Jews may do unconsciously is

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.840
<v Speaker 1>here consciously exposed, and that is what matters. It is

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>completely indifferent from what Jewish brains these disclosures originate. The

0:28:39.480 --> 0:28:42.800
<v Speaker 1>important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty. They reveal

0:28:42.920 --> 0:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose

0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.479
<v Speaker 1>their inner context as well as their ultimate final aims.

0:28:49.400 --> 0:28:53.480
<v Speaker 1>So m hmm. Like Gomez, Hitler and Girbel's knew the

0:28:53.480 --> 0:28:56.160
<v Speaker 1>protocols were fake, but felt they were authentic as a

0:28:56.200 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 1>result of their inner truth. And I'm gonna quote from

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<v Speaker 1>a study on the Protocols the Elders of Zion and

0:29:01.040 --> 0:29:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Nazi Propaganda by R. L. Bite Work quote. Nineteen years later,

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<v Speaker 1>the two discussed the protocols just before Girbel's launched one

0:29:08.960 --> 0:29:12.239
<v Speaker 1>of his periodic anti Semitic campaigns. Gebels, who had been

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<v Speaker 1>rereading it, commented that his propaganda colleagues maintained that it

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<v Speaker 1>was not useful for contemporary propaganda, but he reflected, I

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<v Speaker 1>conclude from my reading, nonetheless, that we can put it

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<v Speaker 1>to very good use. If the Zionist Protocols is not

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<v Speaker 1>genuine wine, it was produced by a brilliant contemporary critic.

0:29:28.000 --> 0:29:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Having talked it over with Hitler, the propaganda minister wrote

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:33.640
<v Speaker 1>in his diary, the fewer standpoint is that the Zionist

0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>Protocols can claim absolute genuineness. No one could express Jewish

0:29:37.560 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>plans for world domination as well as the Jews themselves.

0:29:40.440 --> 0:29:42.400
<v Speaker 1>The fewer is of the opinion that the Jews do

0:29:42.440 --> 0:29:45.280
<v Speaker 1>not need to follow an established program. They follow a

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 1>strong racial instinct that always leads the day actions shown

0:29:49.040 --> 0:29:54.040
<v Speaker 1>throughout their entire history. Yes, so they don't need a

0:29:54.240 --> 0:30:01.280
<v Speaker 1>game plan. They've been Yeah, I mean it's it's it's racism.

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:06.920
<v Speaker 1>He's Hitler, you know, and nobody does it better. It's

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.760
<v Speaker 1>like Hitler and then like a couple steps maybe Nathan

0:30:10.800 --> 0:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>bed from Forest a couple of steps below him. Um,

0:30:14.480 --> 0:30:16.960
<v Speaker 1>Henry Ford's on that list. If you're doing the All

0:30:17.080 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 1>Stars of Racism, you know, but go off not not

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:29.400
<v Speaker 1>doing the All Star No Racism Olympics here Hitler would win.

0:30:29.480 --> 0:30:35.520
<v Speaker 1>It's a foregtten conclusion. Um, so the fewer. Yeah. Hitler

0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 1>never referred to the protocols in one of his public speeches,

0:30:38.440 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>and Gebel's only mentioned it in public once in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty three. It was never mentioned in Dos Reich, the

0:30:44.240 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 1>high end intellectual Nazi magazine founded by Gebbels in ninety one,

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.160
<v Speaker 1>but the protocols were extremely popular and more low brow

0:30:51.280 --> 0:30:54.560
<v Speaker 1>propaganda minant for the common man. The Volcashore Bayo Bactor,

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<v Speaker 1>the most mainstream Nazi publication during the Third Reich referenced

0:30:58.480 --> 0:31:02.480
<v Speaker 1>them on a near weekly base. They were particularly influential

0:31:02.640 --> 0:31:06.520
<v Speaker 1>in the magazine of Julius Striker. So Julius was basically

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<v Speaker 1>the gutter punk version of Gebels. Gebels was the state propagandist.

0:31:10.320 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 1>He was the high thinking of the intellectual propagandist of

0:31:12.600 --> 0:31:16.600
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis. Julius Striker is the fucking He's the guy

0:31:16.640 --> 0:31:19.880
<v Speaker 1>whose job is to rile up the criminals and street

0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>fighters were beating people in the streets, right. We don't

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:26.240
<v Speaker 1>need intellectualism for them. I want crude cartoons and racist jokes.

0:31:26.280 --> 0:31:29.920
<v Speaker 1>You know. Striker is like the the gutter level, the

0:31:32.120 --> 0:31:38.480
<v Speaker 1>very Wesley. Yeah. Yeah, he's the grimy propagandist. And his

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:42.520
<v Speaker 1>main propaganda arm was a magazine called Dear Sturmer, which

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:45.320
<v Speaker 1>existed mainly to radicalize the kind of street thugs who

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>joined the Brown Shirts and beat up Jews in the

0:31:47.160 --> 0:31:50.040
<v Speaker 1>street during the late twenties. Bite Work writes that Dear

0:31:50.120 --> 0:31:53.920
<v Speaker 1>Stirmer quote alternated between elaborations of the Protocols and lurid

0:31:54.000 --> 0:31:57.440
<v Speaker 1>stories of German maidens raped by Jews and German children

0:31:57.560 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 1>ritually murdered. So we can see all these different strains

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:03.520
<v Speaker 1>of anti Jewish, anti Semitic propaganda kind of coming together

0:32:03.560 --> 0:32:06.160
<v Speaker 1>in their stirmer, and he's using the protocols to make

0:32:06.200 --> 0:32:08.800
<v Speaker 1>these street fighters. It's a mix of here's these stories

0:32:08.840 --> 0:32:12.560
<v Speaker 1>about German women being raped, here's these little excerpts from

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>the protocols to like convince you that what you're doing

0:32:15.160 --> 0:32:17.560
<v Speaker 1>is that you going into the street and murdering people

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:20.240
<v Speaker 1>is part of a noble crusade. Right, That's what these

0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:22.400
<v Speaker 1>guys need. They need to believe their nights when they're

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>stabbing people in dark alley ways. So while Hitler and

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 1>Gebel's knew the protocols were fake, they recognized that it

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>had tremendous value in convincing regular working class people of

0:32:32.760 --> 0:32:36.480
<v Speaker 1>the reality of a grand Jewish conspiracy. There were two

0:32:36.600 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>major and slightly different versions of the Protocols distributed by

0:32:39.400 --> 0:32:42.080
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis after nineteen thirty three, when they came to power.

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.040
<v Speaker 1>The official Nazi Party variant was just a copy of

0:32:45.080 --> 0:32:48.520
<v Speaker 1>the original German translation from nineteen twenty The Nazis gained

0:32:48.560 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 1>the rights to this translation in nineteen twenty nine, and

0:32:50.720 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 1>by nineteen thirty four they had sold a hundred and

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:56.640
<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand copies of it. There were Yeah it sells

0:32:56.640 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 1>all right, and there were other German versions, often annotated,

0:32:59.600 --> 0:33:02.200
<v Speaker 1>that also sold tens of thousands of copies. The Party

0:33:02.320 --> 0:33:04.720
<v Speaker 1>subsidized these publications to try to get them out to

0:33:04.720 --> 0:33:07.680
<v Speaker 1>as many hands as possible, but like mind comp most

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 1>of the people who bought these probably never read them

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 1>in their entirety. The main value of the Protocols to

0:33:13.040 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis was not as a document itself. It was

0:33:15.840 --> 0:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>not something that a lot of people would just read.

0:33:17.640 --> 0:33:19.960
<v Speaker 1>It was a source to cite and quote from. Liberally.

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<v Speaker 1>You're writing some unhinged rant about how Jews are raping

0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.600
<v Speaker 1>a woman, throwing a couple of quotes from the Protocols

0:33:24.600 --> 0:33:27.000
<v Speaker 1>to really pop things off, because it it feels like

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:29.120
<v Speaker 1>it's got some weight to it, you know. And so

0:33:29.360 --> 0:33:33.640
<v Speaker 1>they they acknowledge for themselves that they know these are fake,

0:33:33.720 --> 0:33:38.200
<v Speaker 1>but they're not telling the people that, good lord, no no, no, no, no, no, yeah, okay.

0:33:38.360 --> 0:33:41.200
<v Speaker 1>They're like, yeah, we found some ship, y'all, Yeah, we

0:33:41.280 --> 0:33:45.440
<v Speaker 1>found Yeah. The Nazis came to power in thirty three,

0:33:45.440 --> 0:33:47.800
<v Speaker 1>there was a broad understanding around the leadership that while

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:51.600
<v Speaker 1>the Protocols weren't. They weren't sophisticated enough to be suped

0:33:51.600 --> 0:33:54.880
<v Speaker 1>for useful domestically, right, the street fighting portion is over,

0:33:54.920 --> 0:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>It's time for better propaganda, higher propaganda. But they recognized

0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>there was a value and spreading the protocols internationally. The

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:04.960
<v Speaker 1>basic idea was that if you can make more anti

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Semites and the rest of Europe, that will help you

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.359
<v Speaker 1>make more fascists, who will have more people in other

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 1>European countries who sympathize with the Third Reich. This will

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 1>also cut down on outrage internationally once Nazis start, you know,

0:34:16.080 --> 0:34:19.359
<v Speaker 1>doing the things they were always going to do. European

0:34:19.440 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 1>anti fascists were not ignorant of what was happening in Switzerland.

0:34:23.320 --> 0:34:26.680
<v Speaker 1>To organizations, the Swiss Federation of Jewish Communities and the

0:34:26.719 --> 0:34:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Bernese Jewish Community quickly realized that the Swiss National Front,

0:34:30.920 --> 0:34:34.360
<v Speaker 1>their local fascist party, had started distributing the Protocols of

0:34:34.400 --> 0:34:38.160
<v Speaker 1>the Elders of Zion in German a Nazi translation, alongside

0:34:38.160 --> 0:34:41.520
<v Speaker 1>other anti Semitic propaganda. They didn't want to just let

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:43.640
<v Speaker 1>this lie. They felt like they had to fight it somehow.

0:34:44.040 --> 0:34:46.840
<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty five, these activists decided to sue the

0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:49.879
<v Speaker 1>National Front, using a nineteen sixteen law meant to ban

0:34:50.040 --> 0:34:53.600
<v Speaker 1>pornographic movies and books as the basis for their lawsuit.

0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:56.719
<v Speaker 1>Now I'm not an expert on Swiss law, historians seem

0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 1>to degree that these activists were kind of reaching by

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>trying to punished Nazis with an anti porn law. The

0:35:02.480 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 1>specific wording of the law banned what was called shooned literature,

0:35:07.040 --> 0:35:10.719
<v Speaker 1>which roughly translates to trash or pulp fiction. And it

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.840
<v Speaker 1>was meant to ban like erotic stories like in comics

0:35:13.840 --> 0:35:16.279
<v Speaker 1>and stuff that were being printed in this period. But

0:35:16.320 --> 0:35:17.799
<v Speaker 1>it was like the way it was defined is just

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.279
<v Speaker 1>like anything that's like not true and it's filthy, And

0:35:20.320 --> 0:35:21.799
<v Speaker 1>I guess they were kind of trying to argue that,

0:35:21.840 --> 0:35:25.520
<v Speaker 1>like Nazi propaganda falls under this definition, so it's banned

0:35:25.560 --> 0:35:29.240
<v Speaker 1>by the anti peorgn laws as well. It was yeah,

0:35:29.520 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 1>they're they're there, just a weird diagram of stuff, but yeah,

0:35:34.480 --> 0:35:36.839
<v Speaker 1>it is weird, and it's it was a weird vind

0:35:36.840 --> 0:35:39.680
<v Speaker 1>diagram of stuff, and it was a bad idea. It

0:35:39.719 --> 0:35:42.239
<v Speaker 1>would prove to be actually a disastrous idea. They had

0:35:42.280 --> 0:35:45.399
<v Speaker 1>noble intentions, right, You're you're trying to stop Nazis from

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 1>spreading propaganda in your country, but it wound up being

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the worst things they could have possibly done.

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 1>So this becomes a huge court case that's covered internationally

0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:58.319
<v Speaker 1>and it kind of becomes an international referendum and whether

0:35:58.400 --> 0:36:00.399
<v Speaker 1>or not the Protocols of the Elders of on our

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:03.120
<v Speaker 1>real because they were arguing that because this is fake,

0:36:03.440 --> 0:36:07.520
<v Speaker 1>it falls under these pornography laws. The whole case wound

0:36:07.640 --> 0:36:11.120
<v Speaker 1>up around four revolving around four questions asked by the judge.

0:36:11.520 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>Number one, was the Protocols of the Elders of Zion

0:36:14.440 --> 0:36:19.319
<v Speaker 1>a forgery? Number two? Was it plagiarized? Number three, If

0:36:19.360 --> 0:36:22.400
<v Speaker 1>it was, what was its source? And number four do

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:27.200
<v Speaker 1>the protocols fall under the category of trash literature? Now

0:36:27.320 --> 0:36:29.040
<v Speaker 1>you and I know the answer to a lot of

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:31.800
<v Speaker 1>those questions, but at the time they became a massive

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:34.960
<v Speaker 1>debate all around Europe. The Burn Trial, as it became known,

0:36:35.120 --> 0:36:38.160
<v Speaker 1>was front page news, and even though Hitler and Girbel's

0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 1>knew the protocols were a forgery, they saw value in

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 1>pumping out propaganda around the trial to defend its fa

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:48.680
<v Speaker 1>the veracity of the document quote. The propaganda ministry was

0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.359
<v Speaker 1>unwilling to make the trials the defense of the authenticity

0:36:51.360 --> 0:36:54.320
<v Speaker 1>of the protocols. Instead, the ministry treated them as attempts

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 1>by international Jewry to attack national socialist Germany. Newspapers and

0:36:58.800 --> 0:37:01.799
<v Speaker 1>radio carried daily memories of the trial's progress, praising the

0:37:01.840 --> 0:37:05.200
<v Speaker 1>testimony of those supporting the protocols legitimacy and attacking those

0:37:05.200 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>who did not. The official party newspaper Volkes Shobet Bactor,

0:37:09.080 --> 0:37:12.000
<v Speaker 1>for example, commented on the testimony of a protocol of

0:37:12.000 --> 0:37:15.319
<v Speaker 1>a prosecution witness in a less than unbiased way. Doctor

0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:18.120
<v Speaker 1>Baumgarten said little about his own subject, but rather made

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:21.279
<v Speaker 1>confused remarks about various points. He seemed less interested in

0:37:21.320 --> 0:37:23.720
<v Speaker 1>speaking to the point than in having a rhetorical effect.

0:37:24.320 --> 0:37:28.120
<v Speaker 1>The fascists lost the case technically, receiving a slap on

0:37:28.160 --> 0:37:30.719
<v Speaker 1>the wrist punishment that amounted to a small fine, but

0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.880
<v Speaker 1>the judgment was overturned two years later on appeal, and

0:37:33.920 --> 0:37:37.280
<v Speaker 1>the Nazi Nazi propaganda ministry presented this to the German

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:41.719
<v Speaker 1>people as a huge victory. Now the actual ruling had

0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.680
<v Speaker 1>declared that the authenticity of the protocols was irrelevant they

0:37:44.719 --> 0:37:48.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't count as pornography, but the Nazis ignored this They

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:50.560
<v Speaker 1>presented the ruling as a defeat for Jews and a

0:37:50.600 --> 0:37:54.600
<v Speaker 1>de facto acknowledgement that the protocols were legitimate. The Volkshobeo

0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Bactor released a five page special to celebrate the appeal

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:01.840
<v Speaker 1>titled Jewish Defeat at the Bird and Trial World Jewry's

0:38:01.840 --> 0:38:05.759
<v Speaker 1>efforts fail again. The Friedburger newspaper also released a front

0:38:05.760 --> 0:38:10.040
<v Speaker 1>page story titled a Defeat for World Jewelry. Both articles

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:12.480
<v Speaker 1>celebrated the fact that the court had ruled the protocols

0:38:12.680 --> 0:38:16.240
<v Speaker 1>not obscene literature. Can I I do want to say

0:38:16.280 --> 0:38:20.719
<v Speaker 1>that that I am proud of us today, even our

0:38:20.840 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 1>races are no longer using the word jewelry. That that

0:38:24.560 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 1>feels like you don't hear it much, right, that is

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:30.360
<v Speaker 1>a way. Yeah, you gotta take the winds where you

0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.520
<v Speaker 1>can get them. Let's count progress where progress exists, you

0:38:33.560 --> 0:38:36.640
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, Jewry's one of those

0:38:36.680 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 1>like cringe words. Was like, you know, uh, that's that's

0:38:41.520 --> 0:38:45.880
<v Speaker 1>that's not a good side. That's that I'm seeing that somewhere. Yeah,

0:38:46.120 --> 0:38:50.839
<v Speaker 1>if we started seeing that again, we know we've got backsliding. Yeah,

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 1>we are not doing good. Yeah, you know who is

0:38:53.640 --> 0:39:00.160
<v Speaker 1>doing good? There? They are doing great with by then

0:39:00.160 --> 0:39:03.120
<v Speaker 1>the White House with the with the Defense Department headed

0:39:03.120 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 1>by a former Raytheon employee executive. Yes, they're doing wonderful.

0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, nailing it. It's only depressing if you

0:39:13.239 --> 0:39:18.240
<v Speaker 1>don't like missiles destroying school buses. I don't, for the record,

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:22.320
<v Speaker 1>but Raytheon does. Okay, Sophie, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

0:39:22.560 --> 0:39:25.640
<v Speaker 1>You don't like that Raytheon does, so the answer is

0:39:25.680 --> 0:39:29.919
<v Speaker 1>that will continue buying Raytheon's products. And corporations are people now,

0:39:30.000 --> 0:39:34.600
<v Speaker 1>So you and that corporation's feelings. Yeah, don't be mean

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:39.080
<v Speaker 1>to Raytheon. What have they ever done to you? I mean,

0:39:39.200 --> 0:39:42.839
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure we could figure out something. Sophie does not

0:39:43.000 --> 0:39:45.359
<v Speaker 1>speak for the rest of us here. We'll be back

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 1>after these messages. We're back. People don't say that much anymore.

0:39:53.560 --> 0:39:55.680
<v Speaker 1>Will be back after these messages were when they used

0:39:55.680 --> 0:40:01.400
<v Speaker 1>to they used to frame bro Yeah, I know, but

0:40:01.480 --> 0:40:03.680
<v Speaker 1>I miss it. It was just so much classier than

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:08.239
<v Speaker 1>being like shouting products. It's back when they didn't want

0:40:08.320 --> 0:40:11.880
<v Speaker 1>us to know that they were tricking us into buying into,

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:15.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, sales and capitalism and ship It was like, oh,

0:40:15.080 --> 0:40:17.240
<v Speaker 1>these are just people trying to tell you little secrets.

0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:20.800
<v Speaker 1>You should listen. Oh messages, those sound valuable. I love that.

0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:23.720
<v Speaker 1>So what we're saying here is Robert misses the scam

0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 1>of it all. I do. I miss the scam of

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:31.040
<v Speaker 1>it all. You know, nowadays it's just such naked, unrestricted.

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:32.800
<v Speaker 1>I wish I could be a little more cunning of that.

0:40:32.840 --> 0:40:35.840
<v Speaker 1>I wish you could be like you know Langston. Today,

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm shaving with my Dollar Shave Club raiser right after

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:44.239
<v Speaker 1>Wonderful Sleep and my Purple Mattress. And let me tell you,

0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:48.719
<v Speaker 1>I saw a school bus and I knew the thing

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to do was to launch an R and I and

0:40:51.239 --> 0:40:53.279
<v Speaker 1>X knife missiletic because I wanted to take out the

0:40:53.360 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 1>driver because he looked shifty, but I wanted to spare

0:40:55.719 --> 0:40:58.840
<v Speaker 1>most of the children. And thanks to that wonderful Raytheon missile,

0:40:59.040 --> 0:41:01.239
<v Speaker 1>more than thirty into the kids in that school bus

0:41:01.280 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 1>made it out alive. And that's the Raytheon guarantee. And

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:08.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure you slept well that night on your purple Mattress.

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:17.359
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely problem Mattress ever gave us a sponsorship. They never did,

0:41:17.480 --> 0:41:20.160
<v Speaker 1>and we will delete this entire episode if they give

0:41:20.239 --> 0:41:28.719
<v Speaker 1>us a dime. It is weird. I'm one of my

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.360
<v Speaker 1>worries early on in podcasting, was it just like it

0:41:31.400 --> 0:41:33.359
<v Speaker 1>seems like the whole industry is supported by like three

0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.279
<v Speaker 1>mattress companies and razor blades. Things have broadened now there's

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.560
<v Speaker 1>a wider variety of It feels a little bit less

0:41:40.600 --> 0:41:42.440
<v Speaker 1>like a shell game. I'm sure it will all come

0:41:42.560 --> 0:41:47.000
<v Speaker 1>crash and there tricta of mattress, food delivery, and then

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:51.080
<v Speaker 1>dick pills. That was the holy trinity. I mean, okay,

0:41:51.400 --> 0:41:53.920
<v Speaker 1>I will argue that the only ethical form of consumption

0:41:54.000 --> 0:42:00.680
<v Speaker 1>under capitalism is dick pills. I'm listening. There's no doubt

0:42:00.680 --> 0:42:03.160
<v Speaker 1>inside the dick pills. They do what they say they're

0:42:03.160 --> 0:42:09.000
<v Speaker 1>gonna They do what they say they're gonna do. Some science.

0:42:10.239 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 1>Not speaking of science, let's talk about racism. Um. So, yeah,

0:42:17.239 --> 0:42:22.280
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis make a huge deal about the Burn Trial.

0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:25.560
<v Speaker 1>It becomes like this massive moment in the history of

0:42:25.600 --> 0:42:28.640
<v Speaker 1>anti Semitism, and this thing that had started as an

0:42:28.640 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 1>effort to discredit the Nazis and punish people for spreading

0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:36.479
<v Speaker 1>Nazi propaganda in Switzerland winds up spreading the protocols all

0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.359
<v Speaker 1>around the world. Right, this huge trial comes up, people

0:42:39.360 --> 0:42:42.120
<v Speaker 1>are debating how real the protocols are. There's all these

0:42:42.360 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 1>articles in different newspapers talking about whether the protocols are

0:42:45.040 --> 0:42:47.400
<v Speaker 1>true or not, and more than anything, talking about like

0:42:47.440 --> 0:42:50.320
<v Speaker 1>how boy, all the Jews really seem to want these

0:42:50.400 --> 0:42:52.480
<v Speaker 1>this court case to go one certain way that seems

0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:55.879
<v Speaker 1>kind of shady. Maybe there's something to these protocols. It.

0:42:55.880 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 1>It was the worst thing they could have done was

0:42:57.719 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 1>bringing this trial. It winds up, it's a a fucking disaster. Um.

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:05.279
<v Speaker 1>Probably no single moment in pre war history did more

0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:08.440
<v Speaker 1>to spread mainstream awareness of the Protocols of the Elders

0:43:08.440 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 1>of Zion than the Burn trial. Um. It's tragic because

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:14.760
<v Speaker 1>they it was a noble goal, right, They were trying

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:16.879
<v Speaker 1>to fight fascism the best that they could. They're trying

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:21.359
<v Speaker 1>to shut that bad boy down. But it back the

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:25.200
<v Speaker 1>fuck fires. You know. When World War Two started in

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 1>Germany quickly found itself at war with more or less

0:43:28.239 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 1>the world. It seemed to many that the protocols had

0:43:30.680 --> 0:43:33.959
<v Speaker 1>been proven accurate. Again. The Seventh Protocol stated, we must

0:43:33.960 --> 0:43:36.120
<v Speaker 1>be in a position to respond to every act of

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:38.600
<v Speaker 1>opposition by war with the neighbors of that country. Who

0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 1>did which dares oppose us? But if these neighbors should

0:43:41.200 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 1>also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we

0:43:44.200 --> 0:43:48.760
<v Speaker 1>must offer resistance by a universal war. So the protocols claim,

0:43:48.960 --> 0:43:51.840
<v Speaker 1>if a country finally wises up to our conspiracy and

0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:53.840
<v Speaker 1>goes to war with us, we have to get everyone

0:43:53.880 --> 0:43:56.319
<v Speaker 1>else to go to war with that country, which the

0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Germans climate started World War Two. This is the Jews

0:43:59.080 --> 0:44:01.399
<v Speaker 1>getting all of the world old against us, right, That's

0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:03.760
<v Speaker 1>why everyone is at war with us, because the Jews

0:44:03.800 --> 0:44:08.080
<v Speaker 1>made them be. Now, the reality of the situation is

0:44:08.120 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 1>that Germany invaded Poland, whose sovereignty was backed by both

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:14.600
<v Speaker 1>France and England. Russia and Germany actually had a treaty

0:44:14.760 --> 0:44:16.960
<v Speaker 1>which they split up with by which they split up

0:44:16.960 --> 0:44:20.200
<v Speaker 1>Poland and Russia sent raw materials into the Third Reich.

0:44:20.880 --> 0:44:23.320
<v Speaker 1>Germany didn't go to war with Russia until they chose

0:44:23.360 --> 0:44:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to invade a country that was giving them oil on

0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:29.879
<v Speaker 1>the basis. Likewise, the United States did not jump into

0:44:29.880 --> 0:44:33.200
<v Speaker 1>war against Germany. We were neutral. The Nazis enjoyed a

0:44:33.280 --> 0:44:35.759
<v Speaker 1>huge base of support among the American electorate. It was

0:44:35.880 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Hitler who declared war on the United States after Pearl Harbor,

0:44:39.320 --> 0:44:42.399
<v Speaker 1>which was a bad call. The fact that Germany when

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 1>a bit war with the entire world was no one's

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:48.279
<v Speaker 1>fault but Germany's. They're blaming it on this jew It's like, no,

0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:51.439
<v Speaker 1>you kept declaring war on people, What do you think

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.520
<v Speaker 1>it would happen? They thought they had a guy that

0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:57.400
<v Speaker 1>liked to talk a little spicy, and they can like

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:01.360
<v Speaker 1>say he was out of controls though it's everybody else's fault.

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:04.000
<v Speaker 1>You thought you could beat the whole world at a war,

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:09.200
<v Speaker 1>and I guess you came pretty close. Yeah, deah, pretty good.

0:45:09.280 --> 0:45:12.239
<v Speaker 1>But like, yeah, it was not anyone else's fault, but

0:45:12.280 --> 0:45:16.800
<v Speaker 1>you're fucking owned now the fact that, yeah, so even

0:45:16.800 --> 0:45:20.920
<v Speaker 1>though obviously to any person actually observing things, this was

0:45:20.960 --> 0:45:23.760
<v Speaker 1>all Hitler's fault, right he had he he was starting

0:45:23.800 --> 0:45:26.919
<v Speaker 1>all of these wars. Even so, Stryker's dear Stirmer used

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 1>the outbreak of hostilities is evidence that the Jewish conspiracy

0:45:29.800 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 1>was real and dedicated to Germany's downfall. Quote. At the

0:45:33.320 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 1>end of the past century, world jewry believed that it

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:38.359
<v Speaker 1>was on the threshold of world domination. The world's leading

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.480
<v Speaker 1>Jews gathered in Basil in eight seven. They decided to

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:44.120
<v Speaker 1>follow a system, medic and criminal program to reach their

0:45:44.120 --> 0:45:46.400
<v Speaker 1>final goal. They wrote the program for a total and

0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:49.400
<v Speaker 1>complete achievement of world domination. It is known under the

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:53.239
<v Speaker 1>name of the Zionist Protocols. The Striker Do they ever

0:45:54.480 --> 0:45:58.520
<v Speaker 1>mention who these world leading Jews are? Do they ever? Not?

0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Not by name? You're left to assumes Rothschilds are probably

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:04.600
<v Speaker 1>a part of it, right, that's an old onoman But

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.400
<v Speaker 1>like no they that's part of why it's a good conspiracy.

0:46:07.440 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>You don't want to throw in a name in means

0:46:09.120 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 1>it's falsifiable, and why we can actually disprove that if

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 1>we start using real names, that we can prove this

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:18.520
<v Speaker 1>guy was in a different place in eighteen nineties or whatever.

0:46:18.719 --> 0:46:22.600
<v Speaker 1>Striker argued that the war had not begun because Hitler

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:25.040
<v Speaker 1>had misjudged France in England and assuming they wouldn't go

0:46:25.080 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 1>to war over Poland, or that he had again misjudged

0:46:27.640 --> 0:46:30.359
<v Speaker 1>the USSR when he assumed that country would collapse after

0:46:30.400 --> 0:46:33.000
<v Speaker 1>a few months of blitz Creek. No, the greatest war

0:46:33.040 --> 0:46:36.320
<v Speaker 1>in history had started because the Nazis dared oppose World

0:46:36.400 --> 0:46:39.960
<v Speaker 1>Jewry's plans for world domination. When the Protocols were written,

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 1>the monarchs of Europe had been the great bulwark against

0:46:42.680 --> 0:46:46.280
<v Speaker 1>Jewish schemes. Now that they'd fallen, Striker argued, the Nazis

0:46:46.280 --> 0:46:49.400
<v Speaker 1>were all that was left. As German tanks rolled into France,

0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:52.040
<v Speaker 1>the Nazi government sent an official statement to the World

0:46:52.080 --> 0:46:55.279
<v Speaker 1>Wire Service. Could the war plans of Jewry be more

0:46:55.320 --> 0:46:58.640
<v Speaker 1>clearly expressed? Non Jews read the Protocols of the Learned

0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Elders of Zion and reckon is the secret plans and

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:04.800
<v Speaker 1>methods and means Jews adopted, sees for themselves unlimited power

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 1>over the world. This is like an official government statement

0:47:08.080 --> 0:47:10.680
<v Speaker 1>sent out at the offsbreak of hostilities. Yeah, this is

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:14.360
<v Speaker 1>this is so interesting because I think, uh, for forever,

0:47:14.719 --> 0:47:18.480
<v Speaker 1>I've always understood it being like, oh, Hitler just didn't

0:47:18.560 --> 0:47:21.360
<v Speaker 1>like Jews, Like he wasn't a fan, he didn't like

0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:24.359
<v Speaker 1>their faces. So they killed them all because he didn't

0:47:24.400 --> 0:47:27.880
<v Speaker 1>like them. And instead he's like made a hero story

0:47:27.880 --> 0:47:29.799
<v Speaker 1>out of it where he's like, Yo, if we don't

0:47:29.880 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 1>kill them, they're going to destroy the planet. Yeah. You

0:47:33.680 --> 0:47:37.759
<v Speaker 1>cannot get people to do things like the s S

0:47:37.800 --> 0:47:40.439
<v Speaker 1>men who ran the death camps did, or like the

0:47:40.440 --> 0:47:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the Instz Group and the Special Task Groups the first

0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:46.760
<v Speaker 1>organized at like genocide acts were taken in the East

0:47:46.800 --> 0:47:50.360
<v Speaker 1>and Ukraine, in in western Russia by these these special

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.240
<v Speaker 1>units of mostly cops, like the Germans would take cops

0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:55.920
<v Speaker 1>and send them to the Eastern Front and they would

0:47:56.000 --> 0:47:58.600
<v Speaker 1>massacre Jews by guns. And it was there was one

0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.040
<v Speaker 1>massacre Bobby Yard where they killed like thirty thou people

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:03.800
<v Speaker 1>in a day, just lighting them up and shooting women

0:48:03.800 --> 0:48:08.279
<v Speaker 1>and children and babies. Um, you can't do that if

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.799
<v Speaker 1>you don't believe you're fighting in some sort of you

0:48:10.840 --> 0:48:13.640
<v Speaker 1>have to at least have a lie to tell yourself

0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:16.040
<v Speaker 1>about why this is a noble act. It's too hard

0:48:16.320 --> 0:48:18.680
<v Speaker 1>and part of why they move the extermination camps is

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that most of those guys killed themselves, right, Like, even

0:48:21.680 --> 0:48:24.560
<v Speaker 1>if you're a hardcore Nazi, doing that just destroys you.

0:48:24.560 --> 0:48:27.520
<v Speaker 1>You can't people there's like maybe a one percent of

0:48:27.560 --> 0:48:29.360
<v Speaker 1>a percent of people are just so broken that it

0:48:29.400 --> 0:48:32.680
<v Speaker 1>doesn't damage them. But even Nazis were destroyed doing the

0:48:33.520 --> 0:48:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Purple mattress. That's gonna help you us. Thank you for

0:48:40.520 --> 0:48:43.480
<v Speaker 1>tying our sponsor to the Einsatz Group and something we

0:48:43.560 --> 0:48:49.520
<v Speaker 1>always signed seek to do here. Um, so yeah, you

0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:52.280
<v Speaker 1>need this if you're going to convince a large body

0:48:52.320 --> 0:48:55.319
<v Speaker 1>of men to do the worst thing a group of

0:48:55.360 --> 0:48:59.000
<v Speaker 1>men has ever done in history. Um, because there's I mean,

0:48:59.000 --> 0:49:01.560
<v Speaker 1>there's other genoci is, there's other horrible acts of racism.

0:49:01.760 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 1>No one kills as many people as quickly intentionally as

0:49:05.200 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis do in the last two years of World

0:49:07.239 --> 0:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>War two. There's no like. It's it's like, there is

0:49:10.080 --> 0:49:12.239
<v Speaker 1>a degree to which it deserves to stand on its

0:49:12.239 --> 0:49:14.279
<v Speaker 1>own and it's and it is a mix of the

0:49:14.440 --> 0:49:17.719
<v Speaker 1>speed and the intentionality of the murder. And that's only

0:49:17.760 --> 0:49:20.680
<v Speaker 1>possible when you can convince people there there there's a

0:49:20.680 --> 0:49:24.799
<v Speaker 1>crusade that they're part of, you know. Shortly before the

0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:28.080
<v Speaker 1>Worst War started in early nineteen forty one, Hitler gave

0:49:28.120 --> 0:49:30.839
<v Speaker 1>a speech before the Reichstag that is often seen as

0:49:30.880 --> 0:49:33.120
<v Speaker 1>one of the first pieces of evidence that the Holocaust

0:49:33.200 --> 0:49:35.720
<v Speaker 1>was planned ahead of the war and directed by Hitler. Again,

0:49:36.120 --> 0:49:39.960
<v Speaker 1>his name isn't on anything authorizing the extermination of the Jews,

0:49:40.120 --> 0:49:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and as part because Hitler was not a dumb guy, right,

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:43.360
<v Speaker 1>you don't, you don't put your name on that, And

0:49:43.560 --> 0:49:46.480
<v Speaker 1>it's like, you just don't. That's a bad idea. But

0:49:46.960 --> 0:49:49.440
<v Speaker 1>so historians have tried to piece together things that he

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.400
<v Speaker 1>said that shows he was thinking about extermination well before

0:49:53.560 --> 0:49:56.080
<v Speaker 1>the death camps got operational. One of the pieces of

0:49:56.120 --> 0:49:57.880
<v Speaker 1>evidence that people will use for this is a speech

0:49:57.880 --> 0:50:00.400
<v Speaker 1>he gave in ninety one before the Reichstag, was right

0:50:00.400 --> 0:50:04.120
<v Speaker 1>before the outbreak of war. Today, I will once more

0:50:04.160 --> 0:50:07.560
<v Speaker 1>be a prophet. If the international Jewish financiers in and

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:10.839
<v Speaker 1>outside of Europe should succeed in plunging nations once more

0:50:10.880 --> 0:50:13.239
<v Speaker 1>into a world war, then the result will not be

0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:16.319
<v Speaker 1>the Bolshevization of the earth and this victory of Jewry,

0:50:16.360 --> 0:50:20.480
<v Speaker 1>but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe. So again,

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:22.360
<v Speaker 1>here's Hitler saying, and this is after, I mean the

0:50:22.400 --> 0:50:24.680
<v Speaker 1>war has started. This is after the the all of

0:50:24.760 --> 0:50:27.000
<v Speaker 1>the players are involved before all like Russia is not

0:50:27.080 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 1>in it yet, the US isn't really in it yet. Um,

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 1>this is the early hostilities. Hitler says. If these if

0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:35.880
<v Speaker 1>this Jewish conspiracy brings the world to war, brings everyone

0:50:35.880 --> 0:50:39.120
<v Speaker 1>to war against Germany, we will annihilate the Jewish race.

0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:41.760
<v Speaker 1>That's why it's used as evidence that he directed the Holocaust,

0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.680
<v Speaker 1>because here's him saying, and here's him saying, if there's

0:50:43.680 --> 0:50:47.440
<v Speaker 1>a world, we're going to kill all these motherfucker's um.

0:50:47.560 --> 0:50:50.920
<v Speaker 1>Now we know Hitler was not a believer in the protocols,

0:50:50.960 --> 0:50:54.760
<v Speaker 1>but he did believe that what they claimed was internally true,

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:57.439
<v Speaker 1>and the millions of Germans listening to him at home

0:50:57.560 --> 0:50:59.600
<v Speaker 1>during the speech had been primed to believe him by

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:03.360
<v Speaker 1>years excerpts from the Protocols in Vulkshire, bear backter Der Schirmer,

0:51:03.440 --> 0:51:07.479
<v Speaker 1>and other Nazi publications. In September of nineteen forty two,

0:51:07.719 --> 0:51:11.319
<v Speaker 1>Nazism's armies evidently ascendant and the entire world at war

0:51:11.360 --> 0:51:15.960
<v Speaker 1>with Germany, Hitler addressed his people again in my speech

0:51:16.000 --> 0:51:18.879
<v Speaker 1>before the reichstad on the first of September nineteen thirty nine,

0:51:18.880 --> 0:51:21.200
<v Speaker 1>I spoke of two matters. First, since we are forced

0:51:21.200 --> 0:51:23.400
<v Speaker 1>into war, neither the threat of weapons nor a period

0:51:23.400 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 1>of transitions shall conquer us. Second, if World Jewry launches

0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:30.040
<v Speaker 1>another war in order to destroy the Area Nations of Europe,

0:51:30.160 --> 0:51:32.640
<v Speaker 1>it will not be the Area Nations that will be destroyed,

0:51:32.800 --> 0:51:36.240
<v Speaker 1>but the Jews. Once the German Jews laughed at my prophecy,

0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:38.279
<v Speaker 1>I do not known whether or they now they are

0:51:38.280 --> 0:51:40.359
<v Speaker 1>still laughing, or whether they are laughing on the other

0:51:40.400 --> 0:51:43.120
<v Speaker 1>side of their faces. I can simply repeat they will

0:51:43.160 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 1>stop laughing altogether, and I will fulfill my prophecy in

0:51:47.040 --> 0:51:51.360
<v Speaker 1>this field too. Ah, that's just yeah, he just needed

0:51:51.440 --> 0:51:53.719
<v Speaker 1>to learn to be made fun of a little bit.

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>That's a guy who really took himself super seriously in

0:51:57.360 --> 0:52:01.480
<v Speaker 1>a way that was hugely detrimental to the world. Yeah,

0:52:01.680 --> 0:52:04.000
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot about his early life that we talked,

0:52:04.040 --> 0:52:06.040
<v Speaker 1>but we're like, yeah, he's not good at He's not

0:52:06.080 --> 0:52:09.319
<v Speaker 1>good at I mean he thought he was. He was

0:52:09.440 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 1>enraged by the idea that he would dance because dancing

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:15.040
<v Speaker 1>would make him look silly, like he was enraged by

0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:17.239
<v Speaker 1>the idea that a girl he liked might dance, because

0:52:17.280 --> 0:52:20.680
<v Speaker 1>he thought dancing was silly. And yet he chose that mustache.

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:24.240
<v Speaker 1>Come on, my guy. Yeah, I mean so did Charlie

0:52:24.360 --> 0:52:31.400
<v Speaker 1>chaplin Um and sorry that first speech. Don't forgive I

0:52:29.640 --> 0:52:34.839
<v Speaker 1>know what a choice. He must have just been thinking, like,

0:52:34.920 --> 0:52:37.879
<v Speaker 1>you know what, I think I'm famous enough to rehabilitate

0:52:37.920 --> 0:52:44.200
<v Speaker 1>this mustache. Let's do this. I mean, speaking of conspiracy theories,

0:52:44.239 --> 0:52:49.360
<v Speaker 1>there's so many around Michael Jordan's sure, are there. Yeah,

0:52:49.640 --> 0:52:52.240
<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of people who claim that he murdered

0:52:52.320 --> 0:52:55.560
<v Speaker 1>his father or not murdered. But but is the cause

0:52:55.600 --> 0:52:59.160
<v Speaker 1>of his father being murdered. Serious theories that he had

0:52:59.200 --> 0:53:02.960
<v Speaker 1>to leave bass cootball for gambling debts, conspiracy series that

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:08.240
<v Speaker 1>he was throwing games. There is stuff. I can't speak

0:53:08.280 --> 0:53:10.160
<v Speaker 1>to most of it, but I have trouble imagining that

0:53:10.200 --> 0:53:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Michael Jordan couldn't have made enough money in basketball to

0:53:13.160 --> 0:53:18.359
<v Speaker 1>cover his gambling debts. Yeah, skip that part. I think

0:53:19.040 --> 0:53:21.399
<v Speaker 1>I think he was doing all right. I think the

0:53:21.400 --> 0:53:25.000
<v Speaker 1>theory is more that he had gambling debts that went

0:53:25.120 --> 0:53:30.040
<v Speaker 1>unpaid and people wanted vengeance in a way that would

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:33.879
<v Speaker 1>actually hurt Michael Jordan's which the money would not um,

0:53:33.960 --> 0:53:36.600
<v Speaker 1>and then subsequently killed his dad, and then he quit

0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>basketball because he couldn't get past the the shitty feeling.

0:53:43.360 --> 0:53:45.839
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot. There's a lot going on besides that

0:53:46.000 --> 0:53:50.200
<v Speaker 1>questionable mustache is what I was allusing. All I know

0:53:50.239 --> 0:53:53.759
<v Speaker 1>about him is that he was real damn good at basketball,

0:53:54.120 --> 0:53:58.600
<v Speaker 1>less good at baseball and golf. Um that he's a

0:53:58.920 --> 0:54:04.840
<v Speaker 1>he's a mean, mean but the best. Yeah, but space

0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:10.280
<v Speaker 1>Jam was pretty rad. It was nice to bugs, Bunny,

0:54:10.719 --> 0:54:12.759
<v Speaker 1>you got I mean, you don't want you don't want

0:54:12.760 --> 0:54:16.879
<v Speaker 1>to piss off bugs bugs money? No bugs, Bunny will

0:54:16.960 --> 0:54:29.000
<v Speaker 1>fuck you up. So um yeah, speaking of yeah boy

0:54:29.360 --> 0:54:34.000
<v Speaker 1>um so yeah. I don't know, man, Um, that's that's

0:54:34.280 --> 0:54:37.359
<v Speaker 1>more or less. It's like right. I I mentioned those

0:54:37.360 --> 0:54:40.719
<v Speaker 1>two speeches both because they clearly have some of the

0:54:40.840 --> 0:54:42.960
<v Speaker 1>DNA and the protocols in them, and they're they're often

0:54:43.040 --> 0:54:47.960
<v Speaker 1>seen as direct evidence that Hitler personally directed the Holocaust. Um.

0:54:48.000 --> 0:54:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I think the majority this isn't. I will say the

0:54:50.520 --> 0:54:55.759
<v Speaker 1>question of Hitler's direct like direct direction of the Holocaust

0:54:56.120 --> 0:54:59.560
<v Speaker 1>is debated to some extent. I think there's very broad

0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:02.800
<v Speaker 1>agreement that it was. It was instituted at his command

0:55:02.840 --> 0:55:05.640
<v Speaker 1>and largely with his understanding, even though he was a delegator, right,

0:55:05.680 --> 0:55:08.160
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't sure like mapping out how the deaf camps

0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:10.920
<v Speaker 1>would work. He had guys like Reinhard Heydrich and Um

0:55:11.239 --> 0:55:14.040
<v Speaker 1>and Adolf Eichman to do that stuff. But he he

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.839
<v Speaker 1>he ordered it, which is which is the way that

0:55:17.000 --> 0:55:20.160
<v Speaker 1>all governments work, right at the end of the day,

0:55:20.440 --> 0:55:23.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, even the bombs that get dropped on another country,

0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:27.319
<v Speaker 1>the president didn't like pick the spot. He just sort

0:55:27.320 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 1>of gets a guy to pick the spot and do

0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.759
<v Speaker 1>the Yeah, they'll hand him a couple of spots and

0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:36.200
<v Speaker 1>he'll say, Okay, let's let's do that one. My experience

0:55:36.400 --> 0:55:40.360
<v Speaker 1>writing the Amtrak has prepared me to know where to bomb.

0:55:41.480 --> 0:55:43.600
<v Speaker 1>Maybe the way our government works doesn't make a lot

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:48.960
<v Speaker 1>of sense, is what I'm saying. Um, but yeah, um

0:55:49.040 --> 0:55:54.840
<v Speaker 1>so I don't know. Uh, it's I think one of

0:55:54.880 --> 0:55:57.920
<v Speaker 1>the things. Again, there's a lot, and it's much more

0:55:57.920 --> 0:56:00.360
<v Speaker 1>debated the degree which the protocols would have influenced Hitler.

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I think because they influenced so much of the propaganda

0:56:03.680 --> 0:56:05.400
<v Speaker 1>that he would have consumed as a young man, they

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:07.319
<v Speaker 1>had an impact on him. You can see shades of

0:56:07.360 --> 0:56:10.239
<v Speaker 1>them in those speeches he was giving. I think they're

0:56:10.280 --> 0:56:13.280
<v Speaker 1>bigger impact on the Holocaust was in preparing the people

0:56:13.320 --> 0:56:16.400
<v Speaker 1>of Europe to accept and cheer on the extermination of

0:56:16.440 --> 0:56:19.959
<v Speaker 1>their Jewish neighbors. In our Holocaust remembrance media, we tend

0:56:19.960 --> 0:56:24.000
<v Speaker 1>to focus on the happiest stories that exist from that time,

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:27.520
<v Speaker 1>stuff like Schindler's List, right, um, Stuff like the story

0:56:27.560 --> 0:56:30.719
<v Speaker 1>of like those the neighbors who protected Anne Frank and

0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:33.440
<v Speaker 1>her family are at least attempted to stories of good

0:56:33.440 --> 0:56:36.919
<v Speaker 1>people risking or sacrificing their lives to protect their Jewish neighbors.

0:56:36.960 --> 0:56:39.359
<v Speaker 1>This happened a bunch. It's fair. The stories of what

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:42.520
<v Speaker 1>what the Israel calls the righteous among nations, the non

0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:46.560
<v Speaker 1>Jews who protected Jews in the Holocaust, very important stories, Um,

0:56:46.600 --> 0:56:50.600
<v Speaker 1>but they were not the norm. That's why they're highlighted

0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:55.080
<v Speaker 1>because most people were not just willing to let this happen.

0:56:55.400 --> 0:56:58.759
<v Speaker 1>They eagerly turned in their Jewish neighbors. In France when

0:56:58.760 --> 0:57:01.960
<v Speaker 1>the Nazis tick over, French citizens handed over so many

0:57:02.040 --> 0:57:04.080
<v Speaker 1>Jews to the Nazis. The Nazis had to tell them

0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:07.520
<v Speaker 1>to stop because they couldn't they couldn't handle that many

0:57:07.560 --> 0:57:11.480
<v Speaker 1>people that quickly. UM. And Frances, where the Protocols of

0:57:11.480 --> 0:57:14.399
<v Speaker 1>the Elders of Zion first appeared, you know, that had

0:57:14.440 --> 0:57:17.040
<v Speaker 1>an impact on why that was the case, because a

0:57:17.040 --> 0:57:19.720
<v Speaker 1>lot of people thought, and there's more to it than that,

0:57:19.920 --> 0:57:22.520
<v Speaker 1>but it was the same in Ukraine and Poland and Russia.

0:57:23.000 --> 0:57:26.320
<v Speaker 1>Villagers massacred their neighbors. Has happened a lot. In Poland,

0:57:26.320 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 1>the Germans would come in and they would find the

0:57:27.880 --> 0:57:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Jews in the village already dead because people would kill

0:57:30.440 --> 0:57:32.920
<v Speaker 1>them to take their stuff. And a lot of times

0:57:33.160 --> 0:57:36.160
<v Speaker 1>it's more complex than the protocol scrambled these people's brains.

0:57:36.160 --> 0:57:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Most of them probably had heard excerpts from the Protocols

0:57:38.800 --> 0:57:40.440
<v Speaker 1>over the years, most of them had never read it.

0:57:41.040 --> 0:57:43.280
<v Speaker 1>But in many cases, the most direct motivation for the

0:57:43.280 --> 0:57:46.600
<v Speaker 1>genocide was economic. It's the same thing with, for example,

0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:50.200
<v Speaker 1>the internment of Japanese American citizens, which was directly lobbied

0:57:50.200 --> 0:57:53.160
<v Speaker 1>for by white farmers in California because they wanted to

0:57:53.160 --> 0:57:56.680
<v Speaker 1>take those people's land. A lot of times, when you're

0:57:56.680 --> 0:57:59.360
<v Speaker 1>talking about Jews being turned in by people in Europe,

0:57:59.360 --> 0:58:01.480
<v Speaker 1>it was because the people turning them in or even

0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:04.200
<v Speaker 1>just murdering them, wanted to gain access to their farms

0:58:04.280 --> 0:58:07.000
<v Speaker 1>or businesses. The Nazis had a policy of arianization, where

0:58:07.000 --> 0:58:09.720
<v Speaker 1>they would take businesses from Jewish people and give them

0:58:09.800 --> 0:58:13.760
<v Speaker 1>to quote unquote arians. But the Protocols and the propaganda

0:58:13.800 --> 0:58:18.320
<v Speaker 1>that the Protocols inspired provided a moral justification for this process.

0:58:18.360 --> 0:58:20.360
<v Speaker 1>Because people don't want to just think I killed my

0:58:20.440 --> 0:58:23.520
<v Speaker 1>neighbor because I'm greedy. It's much easier to think my

0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:26.880
<v Speaker 1>neighbor was conspiring against me, so it's right that I

0:58:26.920 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 1>take his ship. You know, that's a lot easier to

0:58:30.200 --> 0:58:34.360
<v Speaker 1>square yourself with It changes murdering or turning in your

0:58:34.440 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 1>neighbor from a venal act of slaughter for profit to

0:58:37.040 --> 0:58:40.160
<v Speaker 1>an act of racial self defense. We needed the Native

0:58:40.160 --> 0:58:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Americans to be savages otherwise this doesn't work. The whole

0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:48.120
<v Speaker 1>plan is faulty if, in fact, it was common for

0:58:48.400 --> 0:58:53.080
<v Speaker 1>white settlers too like leave white society and join Native

0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:55.400
<v Speaker 1>American tribes because it was much more pleasant to like

0:58:55.480 --> 0:58:57.280
<v Speaker 1>live that way than it was to like live in

0:58:57.360 --> 0:59:02.200
<v Speaker 1>fucking New York City in sixt eighty um. The fact, like,

0:59:02.480 --> 0:59:04.360
<v Speaker 1>we we can't talk that. We have to just depict

0:59:04.400 --> 0:59:06.920
<v Speaker 1>them as like scalping people and stuff, because you know,

0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:10.560
<v Speaker 1>that's the way it goes. The Protocols of the Elders

0:59:10.560 --> 0:59:13.880
<v Speaker 1>of Zion still spread today. Americans like Henry Ford played

0:59:13.880 --> 0:59:15.640
<v Speaker 1>a significant role in spreading in here. And we haven't

0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:18.280
<v Speaker 1>even talked about him, but he he published the protocols

0:59:18.280 --> 0:59:21.400
<v Speaker 1>in the United States. Henry Ford spent huge amounts of

0:59:21.440 --> 0:59:23.120
<v Speaker 1>money trying to get the Protocols of the Elders of

0:59:23.160 --> 0:59:25.680
<v Speaker 1>Zion and as many people's hands as possible. He only

0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:28.360
<v Speaker 1>stopped doing this when World War Two broke out. Like

0:59:28.400 --> 0:59:31.000
<v Speaker 1>a lot of Western anti Semites, the sheer brutality of

0:59:31.040 --> 0:59:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the Holocaust forced him to at least pretend that he

0:59:34.040 --> 0:59:38.720
<v Speaker 1>hadn't agreed with everything the Nazis. I just published it.

0:59:38.760 --> 0:59:42.320
<v Speaker 1>I didn't whoa, whoa. I was just saying they were

0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:44.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to kill us all. I didn't think we'd murdered them.

0:59:44.520 --> 0:59:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god, Henry, yeah, Dick. So the wake of

0:59:49.960 --> 0:59:53.800
<v Speaker 1>the Holocaust led to a collapse in public support for

0:59:53.880 --> 0:59:57.600
<v Speaker 1>outright anti Semitism, but the protocols didn't go away, nor

0:59:57.640 --> 1:00:00.160
<v Speaker 1>did they become only the purview of fringe neo Nazis,

1:00:00.440 --> 1:00:04.000
<v Speaker 1>and staid they became sublimated into the American mindset in

1:00:04.040 --> 1:00:06.760
<v Speaker 1>a lot of cases, stripped of the direct anti semitism,

1:00:06.960 --> 1:00:09.240
<v Speaker 1>but not stripped of it's a power to kind of

1:00:09.280 --> 1:00:12.280
<v Speaker 1>convince people of a rubric of violence that was being

1:00:12.280 --> 1:00:14.680
<v Speaker 1>planned against them. I laid out this process in detail

1:00:14.680 --> 1:00:16.920
<v Speaker 1>when we talked about Columbia, but it happened here too.

1:00:17.000 --> 1:00:20.040
<v Speaker 1>Right starts as an anti Semitic conspiracy theory. The anti

1:00:20.080 --> 1:00:23.160
<v Speaker 1>Semitism never gets fully stripped out, but the conspiracy theory

1:00:23.160 --> 1:00:25.520
<v Speaker 1>and the way it changes how people think, that's what

1:00:25.640 --> 1:00:28.960
<v Speaker 1>has the greatest impact. In the United States. We have

1:00:29.080 --> 1:00:32.160
<v Speaker 1>not yet in this country had our equivalent of Laviollncia,

1:00:32.200 --> 1:00:34.240
<v Speaker 1>but over the last several decades, we have watched a

1:00:34.280 --> 1:00:37.840
<v Speaker 1>series of conspiracy theory spread in subcultures right and left wing.

1:00:38.440 --> 1:00:41.640
<v Speaker 1>The New World Order and Illuminati conspiracy theories are both

1:00:41.680 --> 1:00:44.160
<v Speaker 1>direct descendants of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

1:00:44.440 --> 1:00:47.320
<v Speaker 1>In fact, they are the same conspiracy that a tiny

1:00:47.360 --> 1:00:49.800
<v Speaker 1>and ancient cabal of wealthy families are working together to

1:00:49.840 --> 1:00:52.960
<v Speaker 1>destroy humanity. When you scratch these theories deep enough, a

1:00:53.000 --> 1:00:56.280
<v Speaker 1>well of anti Semitism always rises up. It's why George

1:00:56.320 --> 1:00:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Soros is such a big part of so many people's conspiracy.

1:00:59.280 --> 1:01:01.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, not like he's a billionaire, they're all bad,

1:01:01.680 --> 1:01:04.880
<v Speaker 1>but like he's he's he's not trying to destroy the world.

1:01:04.960 --> 1:01:08.280
<v Speaker 1>He's different than those other billionaires, and he's just a

1:01:08.320 --> 1:01:12.040
<v Speaker 1>guy who needs to be taxed more. Um. Yeah, It's

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<v Speaker 1>why a lot of non racist believers of the New

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<v Speaker 1>World Order back in the nineties would, once they had

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of drinks in them, call it the jew

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<v Speaker 1>World Order, because again, the anti Semitism has never stripped

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<v Speaker 1>out entirely. Alex Jones is a great example of this.

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<v Speaker 1>He is not a dumb man, and he is careful

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<v Speaker 1>enough to never call his globalists Jews, but his collars

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<v Speaker 1>are not so careful. On the show Knowledge Fight, one

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<v Speaker 1>of my favorite podcasts, Dan Freeze and his documented repeatedly

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<v Speaker 1>callers into Innfo Wars asking Alex's opinion on the Jews,

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<v Speaker 1>and he will generally push back on this and just

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<v Speaker 1>move on very quickly to the next caller. But he

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<v Speaker 1>has an employee named Harrison Smith who is less quoit on.

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<v Speaker 1>On Harrison Smith Show, Smith will regularly talk about Jewish

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<v Speaker 1>domination of the media and the government for hours with

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<v Speaker 1>his callers because they all know what Alex is saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Q and On also holds within it the DNA of

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<v Speaker 1>the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I found a

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<v Speaker 1>right up by Gregory Stanton on the website Just Security

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<v Speaker 1>that lays this out well enough. Gregory worked for Genocide

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<v Speaker 1>Watch and the Alliance to Prevent Genocide and as a result,

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<v Speaker 1>is one of those folks who spends his life trawling

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<v Speaker 1>the underbelly of the Internet looking for the telltale fingerprints

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<v Speaker 1>of the protocols. He writes, Q and On pervades the

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<v Speaker 1>fantasy that a secret Satan worshiping cabal is taking over

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<v Speaker 1>the world. Its members kidnapped white children, keep them in secret.

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<v Speaker 1>Prisons were run by pedophiles, slaughter and eat them to

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<v Speaker 1>gain power from the essence in their blood. The cabal

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<v Speaker 1>held the American presidency under the Clintons, and Obama nearly

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<v Speaker 1>took power again in two thousand sixteen and lurks in

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<v Speaker 1>a deep state financed by Jews, including George Soros and

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<v Speaker 1>in Jews who control the media. They went to disarmed

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<v Speaker 1>citizens and defund the police. They promote abortion, transgender rights,

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<v Speaker 1>and homosexuality. They went to open borders so brown illegal

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<v Speaker 1>aliens can invade America and mongrelize the white race. Q

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<v Speaker 1>and On true believers think Donald Trump will rescue America

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<v Speaker 1>from the Satanic ball. At the time of the storm,

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<v Speaker 1>supporters of the Capitol will be round of the Cabal

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<v Speaker 1>will be rounded up and executed. The q and On

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theory has now spread to neo Nazis in Germany,

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<v Speaker 1>where over two hundred thousand German German q and On

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<v Speaker 1>accounts infests the Internet. A faction known as Reichberger or

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<v Speaker 1>Citizens of the Reich, orchestrated a brief storming of the

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<v Speaker 1>German Parliament on August twenty nine. Oh Man Jesus Christ

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<v Speaker 1>I've also never heard it explicitly stated as stealing white children.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't say that because they want to deny that

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<v Speaker 1>it's racism, but they're they're they're focused on illegal aliens

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<v Speaker 1>and very they're trying to change the character of this nation.

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<v Speaker 1>They're trying to change the way this nation looks. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't say they're trying to make replace white people.

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<v Speaker 1>Q and On doesn't, but that's what they're saying. They'll

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<v Speaker 1>find their way to that part. And you can find

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<v Speaker 1>Nazis saying like, hey, Q and On is a great

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<v Speaker 1>way to convince people of white genocide conspiracy theories. They're

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<v Speaker 1>already halfway there, you know, um boil boy, it's great,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good. My favorite part is how even if you

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<v Speaker 1>can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's fake,

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<v Speaker 1>people will still believe it. That's the thing that gives

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<v Speaker 1>me hope. It's it's the conspiracies are so layered now

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<v Speaker 1>that it's like to to to prove it wrong is

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<v Speaker 1>only to prove that the conspiracy theory is deeper than

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<v Speaker 1>we even knew it was. And it it one of

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<v Speaker 1>the reasons why arguing with conspiracy theorists is basically pointless,

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<v Speaker 1>is that if you're not one of them, they will

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<v Speaker 1>always spend more time thinking about this and as soon

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<v Speaker 1>as you point out one thing that's false, slill bring

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<v Speaker 1>up something you've never even considered, and you won't be

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<v Speaker 1>ready to counter it, right like, because that's like this

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<v Speaker 1>is their whole life is thinking about all the different branches. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well but what about this? What about this? It's the

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<v Speaker 1>same thing, like Ben Shapiro does not in a conspiratorial way.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a debate tactic and it's not it's not an

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<v Speaker 1>ethical debate tactic, but it's how you win debates. It's

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<v Speaker 1>by bringing up more things than your opponent can refute,

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<v Speaker 1>you know. The gish gill up is another term for it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>He also employs this strategy that I think is is

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<v Speaker 1>now becoming super effective of being like, well, debate me,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's it's, well, what are we debating? I've already

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<v Speaker 1>proven you wrong, But it's like, no, let's bring this

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<v Speaker 1>to a public form so that I can distract you.

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<v Speaker 1>And then if I don't debate you, now I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>idiot who couldn't debate been Ben Shapiro on his public

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<v Speaker 1>platform and it's not enough to show like, Okay, you

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<v Speaker 1>lied about this one thing, He's already moved on to

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<v Speaker 1>the next lie. And like, if you're not ready to

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<v Speaker 1>counter every single lie, you're going to It's the same way.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why. That's another reason why the syncretism of conspiracy theories.

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<v Speaker 1>Being able to pull everything into this grand conspiracy theory

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<v Speaker 1>makes it stronger because you like start arguing about one

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<v Speaker 1>thing like Okay, well what about this, what about this?

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<v Speaker 1>What about this? And like you'll never be ready to

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<v Speaker 1>That's why facts, facts are not the answer to beating

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<v Speaker 1>conspiracy theories. Providing people with the things that they're missing

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<v Speaker 1>that caused them to believe in the conspiracy theory is

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<v Speaker 1>the only real long term solution to to de radicalizing them. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's hard. Yeah, nobody's worried about the cabal when

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<v Speaker 1>they're happy in their home exactly. It's like in the

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<v Speaker 1>twenties they tried the ship in Colombia didn't spread because

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<v Speaker 1>people were doing good. It's when ship's fucked up that

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<v Speaker 1>these things have a lot easier time spreading. Thankfully, everything's

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<v Speaker 1>getting better in the world. We can all agree on that. Well, Langston,

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<v Speaker 1>we did it. How you doing I'm doing good. I

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<v Speaker 1>had a lovely time. This is great. Well, I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>you had a lovely time talking about the protocols of

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<v Speaker 1>the Elders of Zion. I I learned a lot. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't feel better on our show. You never feel better

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<v Speaker 1>at the end. Yeah. Learning things about the world never

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<v Speaker 1>makes it easier. There was no healing for me personally,

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<v Speaker 1>but maybe maybe someone at home will feel a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of catharsis at the end of this bad Boy.

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<v Speaker 1>So our our job here isn't to heal people. It's

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<v Speaker 1>to just stick a finger in the wound a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit deeper, you know. That's that's apparently why four million

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<v Speaker 1>times a month people download this show because they all

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<v Speaker 1>have they all have wounds that they want fingers. Stick

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<v Speaker 1>that finger in me, Please stick that finger in. All right,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be back next week and we'll talk about I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know Will Wheaton, No, he's a monster. Yeah. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>before we go, Lankson, is there anything you want to

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<v Speaker 1>plug for our listeners? Oh yeah, please listen to my

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<v Speaker 1>very silly, far less research podcast. It's called My Mama

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<v Speaker 1>Told Me. We talk about conspiracy theories, specifically in the

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<v Speaker 1>black community. It's it's a a good time. I recommend

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<v Speaker 1>tell Yeah, well so do I and I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>What do we what? What's a good joke to end

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<v Speaker 1>on Sophie? I don't know, Robert, Well, I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any jokes. That's not my job. Yeah, I guess the

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<v Speaker 1>joke is that the degeneration of society is largely inevitable. Everything. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we have fun, Bye bye,