1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: M hmm, we're back. This is behind the bastard's part. 2 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: We're not back, Sophie. Sophie gets started. We're not back. Okay, 3 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: abat my guest again, Mr Langston Kerman Langston, how are 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: you doing to day. I'm doing fantastic. I'm I'm excited 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: to to dig further into the horrors of anti Semitism 6 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: and and how it stretches across the world. It's fun, 7 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:33,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's good ship, you know. One of the 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: things that fun it's it's not fun or good ship, 9 00:00:38,840 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: it's a nightmare. Um. One of the things that's most 10 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:43,640 Speaker 1: I guess ironic would be the term for me. It's 11 00:00:43,680 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: like the protocols of the Elder's Zion, right we just 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: talked about it's set up, is like the minutes of 13 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: a meeting about how to destroy Christianity basically, right. Um. 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: When it comes to the Holocaust, one of the most 15 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: important documents we have for sort of because one of 16 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: the big questions of the hall Alocaust for historians for 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: years was was it planned ahead of time or did 18 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: it just sort of evolve out of out of the war, Right, Like, 19 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: how early was the Holocaust plan? When did they know 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,399 Speaker 1: they were going to do this. How centralized was it 21 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: and how much personal responsibility did Hitler have right because 22 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: they they have a big meeting or did they just 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: sort of like come up with this on the fly. 24 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 1: And they did have a big meeting, and we have 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: the minutes of that meeting. It's called the von Say Conference. 26 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: It was held in a house in the suburbs of 27 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: Berlin that I've been to. The house is a museum 28 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: now you can go see where Reinhard Hydrick and a 29 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,199 Speaker 1: bunch of other assholes sat in a room and worked 30 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: out how are we going to do a holocaust? How 31 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: do we we We've tried all these methods of killing people. 32 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: Shooting them doesn't work because it's too expensive and it 33 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 1: sucks our soldiers heads up. We've tried gassing them in vans, 34 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: but it's not very efficient. We have so many more people, 35 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Okay? And they they arrive 36 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: at the solution that they use. This is like two, 37 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 1: while the war in Russia is forty three. Maybe the 38 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: war in rushes at its height. So there is an 39 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: actual conspiratorial meeting eating that. We have the the minutes too. 40 00:02:03,320 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: And again when I talked with the difference between a 41 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: real conspiracy and a fake one. That conspiracy has a 42 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: very clear beginning and a very clear ending. It doesn't 43 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: extend forward and backwards in time. A bunch of guys 44 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: met in a room and planned to commit mass murder 45 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: and then they did it. You know, it's not like, yeah, 46 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: it this in a strange way, and I love that 47 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: I keep making hip hop references, but it's a similar 48 00:02:27,120 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory sort of exists about the c I a 49 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: planning to to basically like create, uh destroy the black population. Yeah, 50 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: but not only crack, but also like by adding violence 51 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: into hip hop, they would like forced black people to 52 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:51,040 Speaker 1: go to jail more often than sensequently, break down our communities. 53 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: And there's a belief that there was an actual like 54 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: meeting of the mind for like all the the the 55 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: music heads of every sort of come but he came 56 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: together and said, how can we add more violence into 57 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: hip hop? So these black people murder each other. There's 58 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: a lot like and like a lot of conspiration. There's 59 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 1: like a germ of reality in there, which is that 60 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: the CIA, it wasn't as direct as a lot of 61 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: people think, but the CIA actually absolutely supported the cocaine 62 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: trade that led to the crack trade in order to 63 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: launder money so that they could buy weapons for these 64 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: different groups that were like, it's a thing that happened. Absolutely. 65 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,679 Speaker 1: CIA has a huge part in the global cocaine trade. Um. 66 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: The idea that anyone would need to meet in order 67 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: to like insert violence into a part of American pop 68 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: culture is very funny to me that like, no, no, no, 69 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: The CIA definitely did it with but they weren't like, hey, 70 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: and now we can maybe we should add a beat 71 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: to this, maybe have a few fellas freestyled about it. 72 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 1: We could really break down there. Uh what if we 73 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: added a beat to this? It is not a thing 74 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: the CIA ever sat down and asked themselves. They asked themselves, 75 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 1: how can we get these planes of cocaine into the 76 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 1: country so that we can buy more missiles for our 77 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: friends in order to let the massacre poor people in 78 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: Latin America? Um, which is more or less the actual story. Yeah, yeah, 79 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: I mean we'll do we'll we'll do episodes on that 80 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: at some point. It's a great story, um, because there's 81 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: a couple of um, former d E agents and stuff 82 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 1: who turned and who wrote about like being ordered not 83 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: to arrest to let planes in. Like there's one of 84 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 1: the more consistent things you find is that wind conspiracy 85 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: theories are true. It's because somebody talked. Almost always someone 86 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,239 Speaker 1: talks yea, and though times when it's not true, they've 87 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: never gotten anybody to talk because there is no one 88 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 1: to talk about the ship. Yeah, that's kind of where 89 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 1: I land on a lot of stuff where it's like, 90 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: we know the CIA had a lot of involvement in 91 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: the fucking cocaine trade because a bunch of dudes talked 92 00:04:54,640 --> 00:04:58,840 Speaker 1: about it, like documented evidence to right, Like we got 93 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: snitches and stuff. There were people who like believed in 94 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: something when they got into the c I A or 95 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: the I think it's mostly d E A guys, but 96 00:05:05,520 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: who believed in something and then like realized what they 97 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 1: were doing and they wrote about it and anyway, we'll 98 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: talk about this at some point. This was too much 99 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 1: of a digression, although we are talking about Columbia, so 100 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: I guess it's appropriate that we talked about cocaine because 101 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: we're talking about conspiracies in Colombia and there have been 102 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:28,240 Speaker 1: a lot. Colombia is a real conspiracy place. Um, you 103 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,920 Speaker 1: want to do a conspiracy. That's that's one of your 104 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: top countries to go to. Um unfortunately. Uh so. Yeah, 105 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: when most people who know about the Protocols think about 106 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: like the consequences of the spread of this conspiracy theory, 107 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:44,839 Speaker 1: they think about the Holocaust, and for good fucking reason. 108 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 1: But the Protocols left a trail of bodies wherever they spread, 109 00:05:48,480 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 1: and they didn't always do it in the way you 110 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: would expect. The way it the Protocols led to death 111 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:56,359 Speaker 1: wasn't always it leads to pogroms against Jewish people. It 112 00:05:56,440 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: was a lot weirder than that in some cases. And 113 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:01,680 Speaker 1: today we're going to talk about the spread of the 114 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 1: Protocols of the Elders of Zion in Colombia because it 115 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: both kind of explains this specific example gives my examples 116 00:06:09,200 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: of how it spread in other parts of the world, 117 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 1: but also the kind of unexpected impacts that the spread 118 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: of this conspiracy theory could have in a country. The 119 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: Protocols first made it to Latin America in the wake 120 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: of World War One, during the first Great diaspora for 121 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: the infamous conspiracy theory. The vector of infection was the 122 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: Catholic clergy, most of whom were sent to Central or 123 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: South America from parts of Europe, where the Protocols had 124 00:06:31,640 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: been spreading for more than twenty years. In Colombia, the 125 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: Protocols entered through members of an elite Jesuit order who 126 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,719 Speaker 1: kept close ties with their brothers across the ocean. The 127 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 1: first Spanish language translation of the Protocols was printed in 128 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: Leipzig in nineteen twenty seven, but the version that actually 129 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 1: spread most widely in Latin America was a French translation 130 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: spread by a journal that had been established by an 131 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: Augustinian friar, titled The Review of International Secret Societies. This yeah, 132 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 1: so this friar has like a magazine dedicated to secret 133 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: societies that he does on like the side. This is 134 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: this guy's hobby. It had been established in nineteen o 135 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: nine to investigate the Freemasons and other secret societies. And 136 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 1: today very few people talk about the Freemasons. That conspiracy. 137 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: You you can find bits and pieces of it here 138 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: and there, but like it's not it's not in the 139 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: mainstream of conspiracies anymore. You can you like you dig 140 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: it off to queue it on. You'll find people talking 141 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: about fucking Freemasons and stuff, but it's not the front rank. 142 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: But back in the early night or the early nineteen hundreds, 143 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: the Freemasons were again like the big fucking thing to 144 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: be obsessed with, and the Catholic Church had actually had 145 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: a whole bug up its ass about Freemasonry for centuries. Um. 146 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: They believed it was dangerously anti Christian. It was because 147 00:07:46,280 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: Freemasons were like social organizations of rich people, and they 148 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: did exert a lot of soft power because all it's 149 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: the same like school and bones. All these rich people 150 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: are hanging out together, they're making plans and they're not. 151 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: It's not a thing the Catholic Church has any p stuff, right. 152 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,360 Speaker 1: The Catholic Church is a big gang, right, it's a 153 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: mop and they don't they don't like that. There's all 154 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 1: these that like that. That's their issue with the Freemasons. 155 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: Lings infamously don't like other gangs. Uh, that's what's happening here. Um. 156 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: So basically, some weird friar with a side hustle ranting 157 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: about Freemason's helped ignite a wave of anti Semitism in 158 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: Colombia that led to the deaths of spoilers a couple 159 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: hundred thousand people. So, yeah, it's some good ship. It 160 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: is it is not some good ship. I should I 161 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: should get it, I should get another go to phrase, 162 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,440 Speaker 1: um yeah, and I'm gonna quote now from a write 163 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: up by historian Thomas Williford about the Catholic Church's attitude 164 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 1: towards Freemasons. The popes were convinced that some dark conspiracy 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: organized by the Masons was driving the faithful away from 166 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:51,920 Speaker 1: the Universal Church truth in order to bring about the 167 00:08:51,920 --> 00:08:54,880 Speaker 1: collapse of the church. The claim of an international Masonic 168 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: cabal resonated in all Catholic countries, including Spain and its 169 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: former colonies in Latin America, UH, where Masons were an 170 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:04,559 Speaker 1: important presence in politics. In Colombia, a string of Liberal 171 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: Party presidents who implemented anti clerical policies in the mid 172 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: nineteenth century were practicing Freemasons. So in Colombia the Left 173 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: takes power for a while, they pass laws restricting the 174 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: power of the Catholic Church. A bunch of these guys 175 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: are Masons. The Catholic Church is like, this is part 176 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: of the conspiracy. It's great. So these super Catholic Jesuit 177 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: weirdos were already obsessed with Freemasons. Then World War One 178 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: hits and the whole world, their world, the European world 179 00:09:31,120 --> 00:09:34,319 Speaker 1: seems to be in free fall. Communists are burning churches 180 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,719 Speaker 1: and killing priests in the midst of all that. This 181 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 1: Friar Repent prints a translation of the Protocols of the 182 00:09:40,080 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 1: Elders of Zion that seems to explain everything because the 183 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: Protocols we had mentioned this last episode of should have 184 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: The Freemasons are in and a bunch, and the idea 185 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: is that the Jews are pulling the strings of the 186 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: Freemason's right. That's one of the groups that the Jews 187 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: control as part of their conspiracy. Pre existing beliefs about 188 00:09:56,880 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: Freemasonry were actually how the Protocols managed to in fact, 189 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: most of the communities they took off in early on. 190 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 1: This is why grand conspiracy theories like Q and on 191 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 1: are more successful than more syncretic they are. If you've 192 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 1: got this core conspiracy theory about a bunch of child molesters, 193 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: but you can rope in anti vaccine conspiracies, you can 194 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,880 Speaker 1: bring in the JFK assassination aliens, you can integrate all 195 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: those things into the broader conspiracy theory. You get a 196 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: bunch of additional vectors through which you can infect people 197 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: so I'm in. Maybe I'm anti vax and that's how 198 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:31,559 Speaker 1: I first come across quan On propaganda and it sucks 199 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: me in. Or I'm obsessed with the jfk assassination, I 200 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: come across some video about how that ties into q 201 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: and On. That's what pulls me in. It makes it 202 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: more effective for everybody out there. That means, uh, embracing 203 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: the groups that you otherwise weren't necessarily aiming for the 204 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: first time. You wrote the ship exactly. And the way 205 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:55,199 Speaker 1: that the protocols do that is you've got all these 206 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: guys who for centuries, a lot of these Catholics have 207 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,240 Speaker 1: believed in a Freemason and a Masonic conspiracy, and the 208 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: protocol say, hey, the Jews are behind that. And Catholics 209 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,280 Speaker 1: already not great on Jews, you know, like there there 210 00:11:07,320 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: were some problems there beforehand. But this is how a 211 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: lot of like clergy get infected by the Protocols of 212 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion. Now, the Vatican's official stance in 213 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:19,320 Speaker 1: this period was that Jewish people were souls to be 214 00:11:19,440 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: saved um, but the Church supported and endorsed members of 215 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: the clergy who spread myths about the blood pass over 216 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: which we talked about in the last episode. Um Anti 217 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,679 Speaker 1: Semitic Catholics could point to Pope Pious the Ninth, who 218 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 1: in eighteen seventy three claimed that the Synagogue of Satan 219 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,280 Speaker 1: was drawn from Masonic sects. And Pious was talking about 220 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: the Masons, but he described them as a synagogue of 221 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: the devil. So you can see this whole tying Jewish 222 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: people to the to the Mason's. It didn't start with 223 00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: the with the protocols, but that was like the most 224 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: best organized way it was put together. Do you think 225 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 1: he used synagogue just on accident or was that also 226 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 1: intentional of my being like you know, I I also 227 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: don't funk with this group, by the way, but yeah, 228 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: I think it was because for a lot of specially 229 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: popes in those Eric synagogue is like synonym for a 230 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: bad place, you know, it's the bad religion, you know, 231 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 1: other than Protestantism, which is also the bad room Quarrelsome people, 232 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: these these Catholics, like pork. It's the other bad meat 233 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: that they don't care for. So a significant minority of 234 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,800 Speaker 1: Catholics had been ranting about a Judeo Massonic anti Christian 235 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: conspiracy for decades. By the time the Protocols hit Latin America, 236 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: one of the first Jesuits in Colombia to really dig 237 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: into spreading anti Semitic garbage was a Spanish Jesuit named 238 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:38,319 Speaker 1: his sus Maria Ruano. Writing a bulletin for the local 239 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 1: faithful in July of nineteen twenty two, he urged good 240 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,400 Speaker 1: Catholics to pray for the conversion of the Jews, and 241 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:46,560 Speaker 1: then went on to explain at length how since the 242 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: French Revolution, the Jews had controlled the economies of Europe 243 00:12:50,040 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: as well as all leading newspapers. Following this, he made 244 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: one of the first direct references to the Protocols in 245 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: Latin American history. Quote years later, when the abominable Protocols 246 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 1: of the Wise Men of Israel were known around the 247 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: world on the occasion of the Zionist Congress of eighteen 248 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: ninety seven, reflective historians, moralists, and patriots have not ceased 249 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: giving shouts aboutrage. They say that the plan of hegemony 250 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 1: and universal conquest dripped by the Jews is already manifest. 251 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: Is one of the first times you see the Protocols 252 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:21,080 Speaker 1: referenced in Latin America. Now, nineteen twenty two was a 253 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,559 Speaker 1: little early for this kind of rhetoric to spread, especially 254 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: in Colombia, which had very few Jewish people, not super 255 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: successful drumming up race hatred against the Jews because there's 256 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 1: not a lot of them. They don't have a deep 257 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,200 Speaker 1: history in the country. Right, it's sucking Colombia, you know. 258 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: It's a lot of people being like, what is a Jews? Yeah? 259 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: What are you? What are you? What are you talking about. 260 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: By the early nineteen thirties, the situation in the country 261 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:45,560 Speaker 1: had changed. In the early twenties, the economy was great, 262 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 1: and this is another reason why this conspiracy doesn't take off. 263 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,320 Speaker 1: Then people are making a lot of money, Exports are 264 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 1: trending steadily upward. Things are doing well in Colombia. Then 265 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 1: in the thirties, the Great Depression hits, right, and Colombia 266 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: gets sucked by it the way everyone does. And as 267 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: a result to the Great Depression, the labor movement explode. 268 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 1: So suddenly there's all these protests in the street, there's 269 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: these giant strikes, people are starving. What we said, whenever 270 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 1: there's a lot of unrest and change in a short 271 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: period of time, people start to go to conspiracies to 272 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,320 Speaker 1: explain it all. Sure, the protocol started making more and 273 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:20,280 Speaker 1: more frequent appearances in Jesuit publications and in sermons. By 274 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: the early nineteen thirties, there was significant documentation proving the 275 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: protocols were a forgery. When I talked about last episode 276 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: about how it was plagiarized from a piece of plagiarism 277 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,120 Speaker 1: that was known at the time, people were aware of this, 278 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 1: but in what would become a common justification, Colombian Jesuits 279 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: argued that it didn't matter whether or not the protocols 280 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: were a forgery. And I'm gonna quote from a write 281 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 1: up in one of their magazines in nineteen thirty two, 282 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: an idea occurs to us that we cannot hide from 283 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: the reader, separating the question of authenticity, in other words, 284 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,320 Speaker 1: determining whether or not these are the true minutes of 285 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: the eighteen ninety seven Zionist Congress of Basil. No one 286 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: can deny the frightening veracity of the protocols due to 287 00:14:57,600 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: their prodigious, almost prophetic exactitude, which saturates all of its pages. So, yeah, 288 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: maybe it's a forgery, but it's it seems like the 289 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: things we already it's right, you know, like you can 290 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: tell it's right. Yeah, exactly exactly. We couldn't agree more. 291 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: It's it's completely made up. It's Milannia. Trump's still in 292 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: Michelle's speech. It's like, yeah, we're still It's the alternative 293 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: facts thing is that, like, yeah, maybe it's not literally true, 294 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: but it's right. You know, this is what's happening. Even 295 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: if this document is fake, it accurately describes what I 296 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: know was happening because I'm a racist. Things continue to 297 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: ramp up throughout the thirties. The Spanish Civil War, which 298 00:15:37,400 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: is with its attendant massacres of priests and nuns by anarchists, 299 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: fuel Jesuit claims that a vast anti Christian conspiracy existed. 300 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 1: Colombian newspapers tended to cover the violence in Spain with 301 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: what Thomas Williford describes as an it can happen here attitude. 302 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty seven, inspired by the Spanish Civil War, 303 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: a Bogata publishing house issued the first Colombian edition of 304 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. The late nineteen 305 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:06,000 Speaker 1: thirties and forties also saw intensifying violence between Colombian liberals 306 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: and conservatives. Again, political order in Columbia is starting to 307 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: break apart at this time. By nineteen forty two, the 308 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: Liberals were ascendant and the head of the Conservative Party, 309 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: a guy named Laureano Gomez, decided to launch an anti 310 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 1: Masonic crusade, claiming that the Masons were using the Liberals 311 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 1: as a vehicle for the Jews to take control of Colombia. 312 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: Gomez had a right wing party newspaper that he edited 313 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: start printing up a booklet which he claimed to be 314 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:35,080 Speaker 1: a secret account of Masonic rituals and secrets. Thomas Williford 315 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: writes quote. It also claimed that Colombian Liberals were part 316 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: of a worldwide Judeo Masonic conspiracy, especially in their attempts 317 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: to control public instruction. A series of government and political 318 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 1: documents were cited at length to make this point. Along 319 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: quote from a publication supposedly called Revisted Judeo Masonica Masonic 320 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 1: jew Magazine described diabolic instructions to pervert women in schools 321 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: through gymnastic exercises and revealing clothing. It was rather pornographic 322 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: reading for a pamphlet which also stated that it should 323 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: be like a second Catechism in the home. So he 324 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: publishes this booklet that is purporting to have excerpts from 325 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,199 Speaker 1: a magazine that doesn't exist called Masonic jew Magazine. Is 326 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,160 Speaker 1: this like the conspiracy has a magazine that they call 327 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: the and it. Part of the thing is like these 328 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: guys are conservative, right, they're doing too much stretching. They're there, 329 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:27,399 Speaker 1: women are doing gymnastics. It's the Jews, you know. Jewish 330 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:32,920 Speaker 1: people are known for gymnastics. That the gymnastics on us. Yes, 331 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: so obviously, like all of the stuff we're talking about, 332 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: this is nonsense. But the propagandic campaign was a wild success. 333 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 1: It welded militant conservatives with Catholic clergy in a unified 334 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 1: front against this Judeo Masonic liberal conspiracy. When a liberal 335 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: president was elected in August of nineteen forty two, Go 336 00:17:51,480 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: Messes magazine did not even acknowledge his inauguration, instead publishing 337 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: more anti Semitic propaganda. Now, this was the same period 338 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: where the holocaus Us was ramping up in Europe and 339 00:18:01,480 --> 00:18:05,119 Speaker 1: Gomez's party newspaper actually reported on the early stages of 340 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: the extermination, publishing an article about eighteen thousand French Jews 341 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,440 Speaker 1: being detained, sterilized, and deported. This was in the same 342 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 1: issue where a priest father Diaz editorialized, it got about 343 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: the struggle against Jewish Bolsheviks. The obvious contradiction between hysterical 344 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:25,159 Speaker 1: rants about an all powerful Jewish conspiracy and the reality 345 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: of Jewish Jewish impression under the Nazis did not seem 346 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,840 Speaker 1: to strike anyone in the Colombian right wing as being 347 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 1: a little bit inconsistent. Four days later, Loriano Gomez would 348 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:38,240 Speaker 1: go on to give the most anti Semitic speech of 349 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: his career, defending a bill that would have denied Masonic 350 00:18:41,160 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: lodges the right to exist in Columbia as corporate entities. 351 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: His speech defending the bill was an unhinged conspiracist rant, 352 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: explaining how the Jews had manipulated the Colombian middle class 353 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: through freemasonry while controlling the working poor through communism. He 354 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: claimed that his time working as Colombia's ambassador to Berlin 355 00:18:57,920 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: had made it clear to him how toxic the Jews 356 00:18:59,760 --> 00:19:02,679 Speaker 1: were a society. He claimed, the lesson of history is 357 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: that when the Jewish phenomenon presents itself, there are only 358 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 1: two solutions, handing the nation over to this Jews or 359 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: expelling them. Oh boy, yeah. Now. Gomez did not succeed 360 00:19:13,880 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: in passing his bill, but he succeeded in welding the 361 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: Colombian Conservative Party into a unified conspiracist block, blaming all 362 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,040 Speaker 1: of their electoral defeats on an alliance of Jews and 363 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: Freemasons who were manipulating liberals and communists. His most fanatical 364 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: supporters were the middle class, small business owners, priests, and professionals. Again, 365 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: none of this sounds familiar. A right wing party refusing 366 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: to acknowledge that they lose an election, turning to conspiracy theories, 367 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: the middle class backing them in order to explain economic downturns. 368 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: None of this has ever happened since. Thank god, can 369 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: you imagine we've learned our lessons now. Columbia never had 370 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: the kind of widespread anti Semitic programs seen in Europe, 371 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: but the charged and often violent rhetoric pushed by Gomez 372 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: succeed did in making any kind of compromise between left 373 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 1: and right impossible. If the other side were literally the 374 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: puppets of a genocidal conspiracy to eliminate Christendom, collaboration was impossible. 375 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: This became a problem when the right finally made its 376 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,479 Speaker 1: way back to power. And I'm going to quote from 377 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: a rite up on the website the International Relations here. 378 00:20:18,960 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 1: After nineteen forty six, traditional party competition had broken down 379 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 1: in Columbia. Mariano Aspina Perez, the newly elected president, and 380 00:20:26,280 --> 00:20:28,880 Speaker 1: his Conservative Party government, used the police and the army 381 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: to repress the Liberal Party. The Liberals then responded by 382 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 1: arming peasants to fight back against the government. This created 383 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,679 Speaker 1: pressures within civil and political society, and violence began on 384 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 1: a small scale. It didn't stay small. The next several 385 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,360 Speaker 1: years of Colombian history are known widely as La Violencia, 386 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: which I don't think I need to translate. It would 387 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: be too much to blame the protocols or Gomez for 388 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,560 Speaker 1: all of this, but they and the conspiracism he fueled 389 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,720 Speaker 1: had a major impact on how La Violencia played out. 390 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 1: As Thomas Williford writes, when the Violencia again in earnest 391 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:03,679 Speaker 1: in nineteen forty six, it was they The Conservatives, believing 392 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: that the Liberals were part of a worldwide anti Christian plot, 393 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 1: would encourage or even take part in the massacres of 394 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: Liberal civilians throughout the countryside. Although Lavi Aalencia would quickly 395 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: take on unforeseen socio economic aspects, the discursive structure that 396 00:21:17,960 --> 00:21:21,120 Speaker 1: provided the pretext for militants to commit murder was already 397 00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: in place by nineteen forty two. After the Conservatives won 398 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: the nineteen forty six presidential election against a divided Liberal party, 399 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: they sought to guarantee a conservative majority around the country, 400 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: as the Liberals had done fifteen years earlier. However, this time, 401 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: partisan militants were armed with a conspiracy theory as well 402 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: as machetes, and felt that their duty to physically eliminate 403 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 1: the opposition in order to save the country. By some accounts, 404 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: more than two hundred thousand people would die over the 405 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: next few years of political massacres in Colombia. Boy, just machete. 406 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: It's ugly ship. Yeah. And what I think is there's 407 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,160 Speaker 1: a lot there. When I think is so interesting about 408 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: this is that the protocols enter in an anti Semitism 409 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 1: is a huge part of it, but the violence they 410 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: inspire isn't primarily anti Semitic. What it is is that 411 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:14,439 Speaker 1: this conspiracy so infects political discourse in Colombia that it 412 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:18,280 Speaker 1: makes anything but mass murder impossible as a political outcome. 413 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: Because the right wing got addicted to the idea that 414 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: these people aren't your political opponents, they're trying to exterminate 415 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,680 Speaker 1: you as part of this conspiracy. And if that's the case, 416 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: there's nothing to do but kill them, you know. Yeah, 417 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: you're you're fighting for your life exactly, and you're associating 418 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 1: even even beyond anti Semitism, you're associating anybody who's even 419 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 1: connected to the idea of of the opposition with a 420 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: threat to your very existence. Yeah, it's it's amazing, um. 421 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 1: And that's that's why I wanted to talk about Columbia, 422 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: because it's not it's not like it is with the Holocaust. 423 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: You know it, we'll talk We're about to talk about 424 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,639 Speaker 1: the Nazis. It's pretty straightforward, right. This propaganda convinces a 425 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: lot of people in Europe that they're as a Jewish conspiracy, 426 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,920 Speaker 1: so they murder all the Jews. It's horrible, but it's 427 00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 1: not shocking what happens in Colombia, is It says a 428 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,920 Speaker 1: lot more. I think about the way conspiracies infect cultures 429 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 1: and about broadly the impact even today that the protocol 430 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 1: still have. As opposed to the much clear impact they 431 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: had on the Holocaust, they also created a type of 432 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: thinking that has spread virally throughout the world and caused 433 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: violence in Columbia and a bunch of other places and 434 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:31,080 Speaker 1: probably will continue to inspire violence in the future. It's 435 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: good stuff. It's just it's wild to think that so 436 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: many of these seeds are permanent that, like you, you 437 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 1: would think that, like, all right, you killed all those people, 438 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: maybe a lesson was learned, maybe we moved on and 439 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:46,680 Speaker 1: grew from that, and now we don't do that anymore. 440 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: But Nope, that's not how this works. It's like you 441 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 1: killed all those people and we like verified that the 442 00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: document was fake, but like, go off, like what we 443 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 1: like your style, my man, and keep it going. The 444 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 1: lesson of history is that nobody has ever learned a 445 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 1: single lesson from history. But you know who has learned 446 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: a lesson or two in their time. The products and 447 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: services that sponsor the show. That's exactly it. That's exactly it. 448 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: The products and services that sponsored the show have learned 449 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,880 Speaker 1: a lot um and played only I think we can 450 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: confidently say, played only a minor role in inspiring violencia. Alright, 451 00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: we're back, um. So the protocols of the Elders of 452 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: Zion in the early twentieth century spread absolutely everywhere. We 453 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: could talk at equal length about their impact in Japan, 454 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 1: where they were translated and had a huge influence, or 455 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 1: in Argentina, where they would influence a popular Catholic novelist 456 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: named Hugo Vost to play a similar role in his 457 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: country that Gomes played in Colombia. Voss wrote a really 458 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 1: bigoted novel inspired by the Protocols, which itself inspired hordes 459 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 1: of anti Semites to assault Argentine Jews in the street. 460 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,239 Speaker 1: Um so violence everywhere. The Protocols have likewise spread through 461 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: the Arab world, particularly as a result of israel suppression 462 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: of the Palestinian people. We could do whole episodes on that. 463 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: There's a lot to say about these um we have 464 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: limited time. Obviously, this is this is not a comprehensive 465 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,680 Speaker 1: study into the impact of the Protocols of the Elders 466 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: of Zion, although I have a good book to recommend 467 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,520 Speaker 1: called The Global Impact of the Protocols of the Elders 468 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,840 Speaker 1: of Zion, edited by Esther Webman, where a number of 469 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:30,360 Speaker 1: different essays that we've used as sources for this episode 470 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 1: come from. It's if you want a broader understanding, you 471 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 1: can read that. I think for the closing chunk of 472 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: this episode, we kind of have to talk about the Nazis. 473 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,720 Speaker 1: The O g not, you know, like we gotta like 474 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 1: we gotta get like the original motherfucker's like the episode 475 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 1: and didn't bring them up. It would be weird, right, 476 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I could we could go straight into Japan 477 00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: and we could go talk about the Middle East. We 478 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 1: could talk about like we we wouldn't don't have to 479 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 1: talk about the Nazis and was mean to do everybody else. 480 00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: Everybody else was fine, Yeah, I feel like we have 481 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: to talk about the Nazis because we're talking about anti Semitism. Um, 482 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,439 Speaker 1: now you may be surprised to learn that most of 483 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,920 Speaker 1: the big Nazis, so maybe not after that part about Columbia, 484 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: most of the big Nazis, the head Nazis knew the 485 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:20,520 Speaker 1: protocols were a forgery and didn't particularly like them. Um, 486 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 1: they were not dumb men, and it was obvious that 487 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 1: they were fake. Joseph Gebbels wrote in nineteen four, I 488 00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 1: believe that the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is 489 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: a forgery. That is not because the world view of 490 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,160 Speaker 1: Jewish aspirations expressed there in our two utopic or fantastic 491 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 1: one sees today how one point after the other of 492 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: the protocols is being realized, but rather because I do 493 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 1: not think the Jews are so completely stupid as not 494 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,439 Speaker 1: to keep such important protocols secret. I believe in the 495 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 1: inner but not the factual truth of the protocols. He's 496 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: kind of saying we were saying Earlier's like, yeah, the 497 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,760 Speaker 1: Grand Conspiracy just left their minutes out, which is funny 498 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:54,480 Speaker 1: because the Grand Conspiracy, well, not grand, but the conspiracy 499 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,480 Speaker 1: he was a part of, did leave their minutes. They 500 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: tried to burn most of the copies of the boxes life. Listen, 501 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 1: those Jews are way smarter than I am. I'm gonna 502 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: leave my junk out, but they would never I'm gonna 503 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 1: leave that ship in a file folder. They never make 504 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: that error. Yeah, they're brilliant, not like us. Jesus were done. 505 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: So Girbels wrote this at the same time Friend of 506 00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: the Pod Adolf Hitler, was in prison writing mind comp 507 00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: the protocols heavily influenced. What what what what? Friend of 508 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 1: the Pod doesn't mean the object He didn't object a 509 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: Friend of the Pod Timothy McVeigh. Probably, I'm just letting 510 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: you know I most definitely probably did. Well, that's probably 511 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: fair so. And around the same time Gribbles wrote that 512 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: stuff about not believing in the literal truth of the protocols, 513 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,199 Speaker 1: Adolph Hitler was in prison writing mind comp and the 514 00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: protocols heavily influenced how he wrote his manifesto, even though 515 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,880 Speaker 1: he too knew that they were fake. And I'm gonna 516 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 1: quote from Hitler. Yeah, this is a hit There is 517 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 1: a Hitler classic coming up. Yeah, this is a Hitler classic. 518 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,280 Speaker 1: I mean this is like Hitler's White album when we're 519 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: talking about my you know, so, um, here's Hitler. To 520 00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 1: what extent the whole existence of this people is based 521 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 1: on this people? Being Jewish people is based on a 522 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: continuous lie. Is shown incomparably by the Protocols of the 523 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 1: Wise Men of Zion, so infinitely hated by the Jews. 524 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,159 Speaker 1: They are based on a forgery. The frank Fritter Zeitung 525 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 1: mourns and screams once every week. The best proof that 526 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: they are authentic. What many Jews may do unconsciously is 527 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: here consciously exposed, and that is what matters. It is 528 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 1: completely indifferent from what Jewish brains these disclosures originate. The 529 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 1: important thing is that with positively terrifying certainty. They reveal 530 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: the nature and activity of the Jewish people and expose 531 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,479 Speaker 1: their inner context as well as their ultimate final aims. 532 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: So m hmm. Like Gomez, Hitler and Girbel's knew the 533 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,160 Speaker 1: protocols were fake, but felt they were authentic as a 534 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,920 Speaker 1: result of their inner truth. And I'm gonna quote from 535 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,960 Speaker 1: a study on the Protocols the Elders of Zion and 536 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: Nazi Propaganda by R. L. Bite Work quote. Nineteen years later, 537 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: the two discussed the protocols just before Girbel's launched one 538 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:12,239 Speaker 1: of his periodic anti Semitic campaigns. Gebels, who had been 539 00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 1: rereading it, commented that his propaganda colleagues maintained that it 540 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:19,239 Speaker 1: was not useful for contemporary propaganda, but he reflected, I 541 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: conclude from my reading, nonetheless, that we can put it 542 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 1: to very good use. If the Zionist Protocols is not 543 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: genuine wine, it was produced by a brilliant contemporary critic. 544 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: Having talked it over with Hitler, the propaganda minister wrote 545 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: in his diary, the fewer standpoint is that the Zionist 546 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: Protocols can claim absolute genuineness. No one could express Jewish 547 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: plans for world domination as well as the Jews themselves. 548 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: The fewer is of the opinion that the Jews do 549 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: not need to follow an established program. They follow a 550 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: strong racial instinct that always leads the day actions shown 551 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: throughout their entire history. Yes, so they don't need a 552 00:29:54,240 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: game plan. They've been Yeah, I mean it's it's it's racism. 553 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: He's Hitler, you know, and nobody does it better. It's 554 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 1: like Hitler and then like a couple steps maybe Nathan 555 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 1: bed from Forest a couple of steps below him. Um, 556 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 1: Henry Ford's on that list. If you're doing the All 557 00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: Stars of Racism, you know, but go off not not 558 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: doing the All Star No Racism Olympics here Hitler would win. 559 00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: It's a foregtten conclusion. Um, so the fewer. Yeah. Hitler 560 00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 1: never referred to the protocols in one of his public speeches, 561 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: and Gebel's only mentioned it in public once in nineteen 562 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: forty three. It was never mentioned in Dos Reich, the 563 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: high end intellectual Nazi magazine founded by Gebbels in ninety one, 564 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: but the protocols were extremely popular and more low brow 565 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: propaganda minant for the common man. The Volcashore Bayo Bactor, 566 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: the most mainstream Nazi publication during the Third Reich referenced 567 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: them on a near weekly base. They were particularly influential 568 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:06,520 Speaker 1: in the magazine of Julius Striker. So Julius was basically 569 00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: the gutter punk version of Gebels. Gebels was the state propagandist. 570 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: He was the high thinking of the intellectual propagandist of 571 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:16,600 Speaker 1: the Nazis. Julius Striker is the fucking He's the guy 572 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 1: whose job is to rile up the criminals and street 573 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: fighters were beating people in the streets, right. We don't 574 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: need intellectualism for them. I want crude cartoons and racist jokes. 575 00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: You know. Striker is like the the gutter level, the 576 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: very Wesley. Yeah. Yeah, he's the grimy propagandist. And his 577 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,520 Speaker 1: main propaganda arm was a magazine called Dear Sturmer, which 578 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: existed mainly to radicalize the kind of street thugs who 579 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,160 Speaker 1: joined the Brown Shirts and beat up Jews in the 580 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: street during the late twenties. Bite Work writes that Dear 581 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: Stirmer quote alternated between elaborations of the Protocols and lurid 582 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: stories of German maidens raped by Jews and German children 583 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: ritually murdered. So we can see all these different strains 584 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: of anti Jewish, anti Semitic propaganda kind of coming together 585 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: in their stirmer, and he's using the protocols to make 586 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 1: these street fighters. It's a mix of here's these stories 587 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: about German women being raped, here's these little excerpts from 588 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: the protocols to like convince you that what you're doing 589 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: is that you going into the street and murdering people 590 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: is part of a noble crusade. Right, That's what these 591 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,400 Speaker 1: guys need. They need to believe their nights when they're 592 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: stabbing people in dark alley ways. So while Hitler and 593 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: Gebel's knew the protocols were fake, they recognized that it 594 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:32,720 Speaker 1: had tremendous value in convincing regular working class people of 595 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,480 Speaker 1: the reality of a grand Jewish conspiracy. There were two 596 00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: major and slightly different versions of the Protocols distributed by 597 00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: the Nazis after nineteen thirty three, when they came to power. 598 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,040 Speaker 1: The official Nazi Party variant was just a copy of 599 00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: the original German translation from nineteen twenty The Nazis gained 600 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: the rights to this translation in nineteen twenty nine, and 601 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: by nineteen thirty four they had sold a hundred and 602 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: fifty thousand copies of it. There were Yeah it sells 603 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: all right, and there were other German versions, often annotated, 604 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 1: that also sold tens of thousands of copies. The Party 605 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: subsidized these publications to try to get them out to 606 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: as many hands as possible, but like mind comp most 607 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: of the people who bought these probably never read them 608 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: in their entirety. The main value of the Protocols to 609 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,800 Speaker 1: the Nazis was not as a document itself. It was 610 00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: not something that a lot of people would just read. 611 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: It was a source to cite and quote from. Liberally. 612 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: You're writing some unhinged rant about how Jews are raping 613 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: a woman, throwing a couple of quotes from the Protocols 614 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: to really pop things off, because it it feels like 615 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,120 Speaker 1: it's got some weight to it, you know. And so 616 00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:33,640 Speaker 1: they they acknowledge for themselves that they know these are fake, 617 00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: but they're not telling the people that, good lord, no no, no, no, no, no, yeah, okay. 618 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,200 Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, we found some ship, y'all, Yeah, we 619 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 1: found Yeah. The Nazis came to power in thirty three, 620 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: there was a broad understanding around the leadership that while 621 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 1: the Protocols weren't. They weren't sophisticated enough to be suped 622 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: for useful domestically, right, the street fighting portion is over, 623 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 1: It's time for better propaganda, higher propaganda. But they recognized 624 00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: there was a value and spreading the protocols internationally. The 625 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: basic idea was that if you can make more anti 626 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: Semites and the rest of Europe, that will help you 627 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,359 Speaker 1: make more fascists, who will have more people in other 628 00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: European countries who sympathize with the Third Reich. This will 629 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 1: also cut down on outrage internationally once Nazis start, you know, 630 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,359 Speaker 1: doing the things they were always going to do. European 631 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: anti fascists were not ignorant of what was happening in Switzerland. 632 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 1: To organizations, the Swiss Federation of Jewish Communities and the 633 00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: Bernese Jewish Community quickly realized that the Swiss National Front, 634 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:34,360 Speaker 1: their local fascist party, had started distributing the Protocols of 635 00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion in German a Nazi translation, alongside 636 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 1: other anti Semitic propaganda. They didn't want to just let 637 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: this lie. They felt like they had to fight it somehow. 638 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty five, these activists decided to sue the 639 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,879 Speaker 1: National Front, using a nineteen sixteen law meant to ban 640 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 1: pornographic movies and books as the basis for their lawsuit. 641 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: Now I'm not an expert on Swiss law, historians seem 642 00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: to degree that these activists were kind of reaching by 643 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,400 Speaker 1: trying to punished Nazis with an anti porn law. The 644 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: specific wording of the law banned what was called shooned literature, 645 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: which roughly translates to trash or pulp fiction. And it 646 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: was meant to ban like erotic stories like in comics 647 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,279 Speaker 1: and stuff that were being printed in this period. But 648 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:17,799 Speaker 1: it was like the way it was defined is just 649 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 1: like anything that's like not true and it's filthy, And 650 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: I guess they were kind of trying to argue that, 651 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,520 Speaker 1: like Nazi propaganda falls under this definition, so it's banned 652 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,240 Speaker 1: by the anti peorgn laws as well. It was yeah, 653 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:34,040 Speaker 1: they're they're there, just a weird diagram of stuff, but yeah, 654 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,839 Speaker 1: it is weird, and it's it was a weird vind 655 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: diagram of stuff, and it was a bad idea. It 656 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: would prove to be actually a disastrous idea. They had 657 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,399 Speaker 1: noble intentions, right, You're you're trying to stop Nazis from 658 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: spreading propaganda in your country, but it wound up being 659 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: one of the worst things they could have possibly done. 660 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: So this becomes a huge court case that's covered internationally 661 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:58,319 Speaker 1: and it kind of becomes an international referendum and whether 662 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:00,399 Speaker 1: or not the Protocols of the Elders of on our 663 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: real because they were arguing that because this is fake, 664 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: it falls under these pornography laws. The whole case wound 665 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: up around four revolving around four questions asked by the judge. 666 00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,360 Speaker 1: Number one, was the Protocols of the Elders of Zion 667 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:19,319 Speaker 1: a forgery? Number two? Was it plagiarized? Number three, If 668 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,400 Speaker 1: it was, what was its source? And number four do 669 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: the protocols fall under the category of trash literature? Now 670 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: you and I know the answer to a lot of 671 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 1: those questions, but at the time they became a massive 672 00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,960 Speaker 1: debate all around Europe. The Burn Trial, as it became known, 673 00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: was front page news, and even though Hitler and Girbel's 674 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,319 Speaker 1: knew the protocols were a forgery, they saw value in 675 00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,839 Speaker 1: pumping out propaganda around the trial to defend its fa 676 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,680 Speaker 1: the veracity of the document quote. The propaganda ministry was 677 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,359 Speaker 1: unwilling to make the trials the defense of the authenticity 678 00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,320 Speaker 1: of the protocols. Instead, the ministry treated them as attempts 679 00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: by international Jewry to attack national socialist Germany. Newspapers and 680 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,799 Speaker 1: radio carried daily memories of the trial's progress, praising the 681 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,200 Speaker 1: testimony of those supporting the protocols legitimacy and attacking those 682 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,640 Speaker 1: who did not. The official party newspaper Volkes Shobet Bactor, 683 00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:12,000 Speaker 1: for example, commented on the testimony of a protocol of 684 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:15,319 Speaker 1: a prosecution witness in a less than unbiased way. Doctor 685 00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,120 Speaker 1: Baumgarten said little about his own subject, but rather made 686 00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: confused remarks about various points. He seemed less interested in 687 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,720 Speaker 1: speaking to the point than in having a rhetorical effect. 688 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: The fascists lost the case technically, receiving a slap on 689 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,719 Speaker 1: the wrist punishment that amounted to a small fine, but 690 00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 1: the judgment was overturned two years later on appeal, and 691 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: the Nazi Nazi propaganda ministry presented this to the German 692 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:41,719 Speaker 1: people as a huge victory. Now the actual ruling had 693 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: declared that the authenticity of the protocols was irrelevant they 694 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,160 Speaker 1: didn't count as pornography, but the Nazis ignored this They 695 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: presented the ruling as a defeat for Jews and a 696 00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: de facto acknowledgement that the protocols were legitimate. The Volkshobeo 697 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,080 Speaker 1: Bactor released a five page special to celebrate the appeal 698 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,840 Speaker 1: titled Jewish Defeat at the Bird and Trial World Jewry's 699 00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:05,759 Speaker 1: efforts fail again. The Friedburger newspaper also released a front 700 00:38:05,760 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 1: page story titled a Defeat for World Jewelry. Both articles 701 00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,480 Speaker 1: celebrated the fact that the court had ruled the protocols 702 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,240 Speaker 1: not obscene literature. Can I I do want to say 703 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: that that I am proud of us today, even our 704 00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:24,520 Speaker 1: races are no longer using the word jewelry. That that 705 00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,960 Speaker 1: feels like you don't hear it much, right, that is 706 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,360 Speaker 1: a way. Yeah, you gotta take the winds where you 707 00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 1: can get them. Let's count progress where progress exists, you 708 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,640 Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, Yeah, Jewry's one of those 709 00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: like cringe words. Was like, you know, uh, that's that's 710 00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:45,880 Speaker 1: that's not a good side. That's that I'm seeing that somewhere. Yeah, 711 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:50,839 Speaker 1: if we started seeing that again, we know we've got backsliding. Yeah, 712 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,600 Speaker 1: we are not doing good. Yeah, you know who is 713 00:38:53,640 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: doing good? There? They are doing great with by then 714 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 1: the White House with the with the Defense Department headed 715 00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:07,560 Speaker 1: by a former Raytheon employee executive. Yes, they're doing wonderful. 716 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:13,160 Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, nailing it. It's only depressing if you 717 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,240 Speaker 1: don't like missiles destroying school buses. I don't, for the record, 718 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:22,320 Speaker 1: but Raytheon does. Okay, Sophie, everyone is entitled to their opinion. 719 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: You don't like that Raytheon does, so the answer is 720 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:29,919 Speaker 1: that will continue buying Raytheon's products. And corporations are people now, 721 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,600 Speaker 1: So you and that corporation's feelings. Yeah, don't be mean 722 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: to Raytheon. What have they ever done to you? I mean, 723 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,839 Speaker 1: I'm sure we could figure out something. Sophie does not 724 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,359 Speaker 1: speak for the rest of us here. We'll be back 725 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:53,520 Speaker 1: after these messages. We're back. People don't say that much anymore. 726 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: Will be back after these messages were when they used 727 00:39:55,680 --> 00:40:01,400 Speaker 1: to they used to frame bro Yeah, I know, but 728 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,680 Speaker 1: I miss it. It was just so much classier than 729 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: being like shouting products. It's back when they didn't want 730 00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,880 Speaker 1: us to know that they were tricking us into buying into, 731 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 1: you know, sales and capitalism and ship It was like, oh, 732 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:17,240 Speaker 1: these are just people trying to tell you little secrets. 733 00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: You should listen. Oh messages, those sound valuable. I love that. 734 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,720 Speaker 1: So what we're saying here is Robert misses the scam 735 00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,960 Speaker 1: of it all. I do. I miss the scam of 736 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: it all. You know, nowadays it's just such naked, unrestricted. 737 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,800 Speaker 1: I wish I could be a little more cunning of that. 738 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,840 Speaker 1: I wish you could be like you know Langston. Today, 739 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: I'm shaving with my Dollar Shave Club raiser right after 740 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: Wonderful Sleep and my Purple Mattress. And let me tell you, 741 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: I saw a school bus and I knew the thing 742 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: to do was to launch an R and I and 743 00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,279 Speaker 1: X knife missiletic because I wanted to take out the 744 00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: driver because he looked shifty, but I wanted to spare 745 00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: most of the children. And thanks to that wonderful Raytheon missile, 746 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: more than thirty into the kids in that school bus 747 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: made it out alive. And that's the Raytheon guarantee. And 748 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure you slept well that night on your purple Mattress. 749 00:41:08,920 --> 00:41:17,359 Speaker 1: Absolutely problem Mattress ever gave us a sponsorship. They never did, 750 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:20,160 Speaker 1: and we will delete this entire episode if they give 751 00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:28,719 Speaker 1: us a dime. It is weird. I'm one of my 752 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,360 Speaker 1: worries early on in podcasting, was it just like it 753 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,359 Speaker 1: seems like the whole industry is supported by like three 754 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:37,279 Speaker 1: mattress companies and razor blades. Things have broadened now there's 755 00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:40,560 Speaker 1: a wider variety of It feels a little bit less 756 00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: like a shell game. I'm sure it will all come 757 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: crash and there tricta of mattress, food delivery, and then 758 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,080 Speaker 1: dick pills. That was the holy trinity. I mean, okay, 759 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:53,920 Speaker 1: I will argue that the only ethical form of consumption 760 00:41:54,000 --> 00:42:00,680 Speaker 1: under capitalism is dick pills. I'm listening. There's no doubt 761 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: inside the dick pills. They do what they say they're 762 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:09,000 Speaker 1: gonna They do what they say they're gonna do. Some science. 763 00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:17,120 Speaker 1: Not speaking of science, let's talk about racism. Um. So, yeah, 764 00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:22,280 Speaker 1: the Nazis make a huge deal about the Burn Trial. 765 00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:25,560 Speaker 1: It becomes like this massive moment in the history of 766 00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 1: anti Semitism, and this thing that had started as an 767 00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:32,000 Speaker 1: effort to discredit the Nazis and punish people for spreading 768 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,479 Speaker 1: Nazi propaganda in Switzerland winds up spreading the protocols all 769 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,359 Speaker 1: around the world. Right, this huge trial comes up, people 770 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,120 Speaker 1: are debating how real the protocols are. There's all these 771 00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: articles in different newspapers talking about whether the protocols are 772 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 1: true or not, and more than anything, talking about like 773 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,320 Speaker 1: how boy, all the Jews really seem to want these 774 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: this court case to go one certain way that seems 775 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,879 Speaker 1: kind of shady. Maybe there's something to these protocols. It. 776 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,680 Speaker 1: It was the worst thing they could have done was 777 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:02,160 Speaker 1: bringing this trial. It winds up, it's a a fucking disaster. Um. 778 00:43:02,160 --> 00:43:05,279 Speaker 1: Probably no single moment in pre war history did more 779 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,440 Speaker 1: to spread mainstream awareness of the Protocols of the Elders 780 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,600 Speaker 1: of Zion than the Burn trial. Um. It's tragic because 781 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,760 Speaker 1: they it was a noble goal, right, They were trying 782 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,879 Speaker 1: to fight fascism the best that they could. They're trying 783 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:21,359 Speaker 1: to shut that bad boy down. But it back the 784 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 1: fuck fires. You know. When World War Two started in 785 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 1: Germany quickly found itself at war with more or less 786 00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:30,680 Speaker 1: the world. It seemed to many that the protocols had 787 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,959 Speaker 1: been proven accurate. Again. The Seventh Protocol stated, we must 788 00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,120 Speaker 1: be in a position to respond to every act of 789 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,600 Speaker 1: opposition by war with the neighbors of that country. Who 790 00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: did which dares oppose us? But if these neighbors should 791 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: also venture to stand collectively together against us, then we 792 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:48,760 Speaker 1: must offer resistance by a universal war. So the protocols claim, 793 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,840 Speaker 1: if a country finally wises up to our conspiracy and 794 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:53,840 Speaker 1: goes to war with us, we have to get everyone 795 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,319 Speaker 1: else to go to war with that country, which the 796 00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: Germans climate started World War Two. This is the Jews 797 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,399 Speaker 1: getting all of the world old against us, right, That's 798 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,760 Speaker 1: why everyone is at war with us, because the Jews 799 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:08,080 Speaker 1: made them be. Now, the reality of the situation is 800 00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: that Germany invaded Poland, whose sovereignty was backed by both 801 00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,600 Speaker 1: France and England. Russia and Germany actually had a treaty 802 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: which they split up with by which they split up 803 00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: Poland and Russia sent raw materials into the Third Reich. 804 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,320 Speaker 1: Germany didn't go to war with Russia until they chose 805 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,680 Speaker 1: to invade a country that was giving them oil on 806 00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,879 Speaker 1: the basis. Likewise, the United States did not jump into 807 00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: war against Germany. We were neutral. The Nazis enjoyed a 808 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:35,759 Speaker 1: huge base of support among the American electorate. It was 809 00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: Hitler who declared war on the United States after Pearl Harbor, 810 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,399 Speaker 1: which was a bad call. The fact that Germany when 811 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 1: a bit war with the entire world was no one's 812 00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: fault but Germany's. They're blaming it on this jew It's like, no, 813 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,439 Speaker 1: you kept declaring war on people, What do you think 814 00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,520 Speaker 1: it would happen? They thought they had a guy that 815 00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,400 Speaker 1: liked to talk a little spicy, and they can like 816 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:01,360 Speaker 1: say he was out of controls though it's everybody else's fault. 817 00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,000 Speaker 1: You thought you could beat the whole world at a war, 818 00:45:04,080 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: and I guess you came pretty close. Yeah, deah, pretty good. 819 00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,239 Speaker 1: But like, yeah, it was not anyone else's fault, but 820 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,800 Speaker 1: you're fucking owned now the fact that, yeah, so even 821 00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,920 Speaker 1: though obviously to any person actually observing things, this was 822 00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,760 Speaker 1: all Hitler's fault, right he had he he was starting 823 00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:26,919 Speaker 1: all of these wars. Even so, Stryker's dear Stirmer used 824 00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,759 Speaker 1: the outbreak of hostilities is evidence that the Jewish conspiracy 825 00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: was real and dedicated to Germany's downfall. Quote. At the 826 00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,680 Speaker 1: end of the past century, world jewry believed that it 827 00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,359 Speaker 1: was on the threshold of world domination. The world's leading 828 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,480 Speaker 1: Jews gathered in Basil in eight seven. They decided to 829 00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: follow a system, medic and criminal program to reach their 830 00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,400 Speaker 1: final goal. They wrote the program for a total and 831 00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: complete achievement of world domination. It is known under the 832 00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,239 Speaker 1: name of the Zionist Protocols. The Striker Do they ever 833 00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:58,520 Speaker 1: mention who these world leading Jews are? Do they ever? Not? 834 00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:02,960 Speaker 1: Not by name? You're left to assumes Rothschilds are probably 835 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,600 Speaker 1: a part of it, right, that's an old onoman But 836 00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,400 Speaker 1: like no they that's part of why it's a good conspiracy. 837 00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:09,120 Speaker 1: You don't want to throw in a name in means 838 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,080 Speaker 1: it's falsifiable, and why we can actually disprove that if 839 00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: we start using real names, that we can prove this 840 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: guy was in a different place in eighteen nineties or whatever. 841 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: Striker argued that the war had not begun because Hitler 842 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:25,040 Speaker 1: had misjudged France in England and assuming they wouldn't go 843 00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,600 Speaker 1: to war over Poland, or that he had again misjudged 844 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,359 Speaker 1: the USSR when he assumed that country would collapse after 845 00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: a few months of blitz Creek. No, the greatest war 846 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,320 Speaker 1: in history had started because the Nazis dared oppose World 847 00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:39,960 Speaker 1: Jewry's plans for world domination. When the Protocols were written, 848 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: the monarchs of Europe had been the great bulwark against 849 00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,280 Speaker 1: Jewish schemes. Now that they'd fallen, Striker argued, the Nazis 850 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: were all that was left. As German tanks rolled into France, 851 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,040 Speaker 1: the Nazi government sent an official statement to the World 852 00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 1: Wire Service. Could the war plans of Jewry be more 853 00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,640 Speaker 1: clearly expressed? Non Jews read the Protocols of the Learned 854 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,120 Speaker 1: Elders of Zion and reckon is the secret plans and 855 00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,800 Speaker 1: methods and means Jews adopted, sees for themselves unlimited power 856 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,080 Speaker 1: over the world. This is like an official government statement 857 00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,680 Speaker 1: sent out at the offsbreak of hostilities. Yeah, this is 858 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,360 Speaker 1: this is so interesting because I think, uh, for forever, 859 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,480 Speaker 1: I've always understood it being like, oh, Hitler just didn't 860 00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,360 Speaker 1: like Jews, Like he wasn't a fan, he didn't like 861 00:47:21,400 --> 00:47:24,359 Speaker 1: their faces. So they killed them all because he didn't 862 00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,880 Speaker 1: like them. And instead he's like made a hero story 863 00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:29,799 Speaker 1: out of it where he's like, Yo, if we don't 864 00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,600 Speaker 1: kill them, they're going to destroy the planet. Yeah. You 865 00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:37,759 Speaker 1: cannot get people to do things like the s S 866 00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,439 Speaker 1: men who ran the death camps did, or like the 867 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,920 Speaker 1: the Instz Group and the Special Task Groups the first 868 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:46,760 Speaker 1: organized at like genocide acts were taken in the East 869 00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,360 Speaker 1: and Ukraine, in in western Russia by these these special 870 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,240 Speaker 1: units of mostly cops, like the Germans would take cops 871 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,920 Speaker 1: and send them to the Eastern Front and they would 872 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,600 Speaker 1: massacre Jews by guns. And it was there was one 873 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,040 Speaker 1: massacre Bobby Yard where they killed like thirty thou people 874 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:03,800 Speaker 1: in a day, just lighting them up and shooting women 875 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:08,279 Speaker 1: and children and babies. Um, you can't do that if 876 00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,799 Speaker 1: you don't believe you're fighting in some sort of you 877 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,640 Speaker 1: have to at least have a lie to tell yourself 878 00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:16,040 Speaker 1: about why this is a noble act. It's too hard 879 00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,680 Speaker 1: and part of why they move the extermination camps is 880 00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: that most of those guys killed themselves, right, Like, even 881 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,560 Speaker 1: if you're a hardcore Nazi, doing that just destroys you. 882 00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,520 Speaker 1: You can't people there's like maybe a one percent of 883 00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 1: a percent of people are just so broken that it 884 00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,680 Speaker 1: doesn't damage them. But even Nazis were destroyed doing the 885 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:40,400 Speaker 1: Purple mattress. That's gonna help you us. Thank you for 886 00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,480 Speaker 1: tying our sponsor to the Einsatz Group and something we 887 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: always signed seek to do here. Um, so yeah, you 888 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,280 Speaker 1: need this if you're going to convince a large body 889 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,319 Speaker 1: of men to do the worst thing a group of 890 00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,000 Speaker 1: men has ever done in history. Um, because there's I mean, 891 00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,560 Speaker 1: there's other genoci is, there's other horrible acts of racism. 892 00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:05,200 Speaker 1: No one kills as many people as quickly intentionally as 893 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,200 Speaker 1: the Nazis do in the last two years of World 894 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 1: War two. There's no like. It's it's like, there is 895 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:12,239 Speaker 1: a degree to which it deserves to stand on its 896 00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: own and it's and it is a mix of the 897 00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 1: speed and the intentionality of the murder. And that's only 898 00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:20,680 Speaker 1: possible when you can convince people there there there's a 899 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:24,799 Speaker 1: crusade that they're part of, you know. Shortly before the 900 00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: Worst War started in early nineteen forty one, Hitler gave 901 00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:30,839 Speaker 1: a speech before the Reichstag that is often seen as 902 00:49:30,880 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 1: one of the first pieces of evidence that the Holocaust 903 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,720 Speaker 1: was planned ahead of the war and directed by Hitler. Again, 904 00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: his name isn't on anything authorizing the extermination of the Jews, 905 00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:41,920 Speaker 1: and as part because Hitler was not a dumb guy, right, 906 00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,360 Speaker 1: you don't, you don't put your name on that, And 907 00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,480 Speaker 1: it's like, you just don't. That's a bad idea. But 908 00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,440 Speaker 1: so historians have tried to piece together things that he 909 00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:53,400 Speaker 1: said that shows he was thinking about extermination well before 910 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,080 Speaker 1: the death camps got operational. One of the pieces of 911 00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:57,880 Speaker 1: evidence that people will use for this is a speech 912 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: he gave in ninety one before the Reichstag, was right 913 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,120 Speaker 1: before the outbreak of war. Today, I will once more 914 00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:07,560 Speaker 1: be a prophet. If the international Jewish financiers in and 915 00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,839 Speaker 1: outside of Europe should succeed in plunging nations once more 916 00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: into a world war, then the result will not be 917 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,319 Speaker 1: the Bolshevization of the earth and this victory of Jewry, 918 00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:20,480 Speaker 1: but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe. So again, 919 00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:22,360 Speaker 1: here's Hitler saying, and this is after, I mean the 920 00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:24,680 Speaker 1: war has started. This is after the the all of 921 00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,000 Speaker 1: the players are involved before all like Russia is not 922 00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 1: in it yet, the US isn't really in it yet. Um, 923 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,960 Speaker 1: this is the early hostilities. Hitler says. If these if 924 00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,880 Speaker 1: this Jewish conspiracy brings the world to war, brings everyone 925 00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:39,120 Speaker 1: to war against Germany, we will annihilate the Jewish race. 926 00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,760 Speaker 1: That's why it's used as evidence that he directed the Holocaust, 927 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,680 Speaker 1: because here's him saying, and here's him saying, if there's 928 00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,440 Speaker 1: a world, we're going to kill all these motherfucker's um. 929 00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:50,920 Speaker 1: Now we know Hitler was not a believer in the protocols, 930 00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,760 Speaker 1: but he did believe that what they claimed was internally true, 931 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,439 Speaker 1: and the millions of Germans listening to him at home 932 00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,600 Speaker 1: during the speech had been primed to believe him by 933 00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:03,360 Speaker 1: years excerpts from the Protocols in Vulkshire, bear backter Der Schirmer, 934 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,479 Speaker 1: and other Nazi publications. In September of nineteen forty two, 935 00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:11,319 Speaker 1: Nazism's armies evidently ascendant and the entire world at war 936 00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:15,960 Speaker 1: with Germany, Hitler addressed his people again in my speech 937 00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,879 Speaker 1: before the reichstad on the first of September nineteen thirty nine, 938 00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:21,200 Speaker 1: I spoke of two matters. First, since we are forced 939 00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:23,400 Speaker 1: into war, neither the threat of weapons nor a period 940 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: of transitions shall conquer us. Second, if World Jewry launches 941 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,040 Speaker 1: another war in order to destroy the Area Nations of Europe, 942 00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:32,640 Speaker 1: it will not be the Area Nations that will be destroyed, 943 00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:36,240 Speaker 1: but the Jews. Once the German Jews laughed at my prophecy, 944 00:51:36,360 --> 00:51:38,279 Speaker 1: I do not known whether or they now they are 945 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:40,359 Speaker 1: still laughing, or whether they are laughing on the other 946 00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: side of their faces. I can simply repeat they will 947 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:46,960 Speaker 1: stop laughing altogether, and I will fulfill my prophecy in 948 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,360 Speaker 1: this field too. Ah, that's just yeah, he just needed 949 00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,719 Speaker 1: to learn to be made fun of a little bit. 950 00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:57,360 Speaker 1: That's a guy who really took himself super seriously in 951 00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:01,480 Speaker 1: a way that was hugely detrimental to the world. Yeah, 952 00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot about his early life that we talked, 953 00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,040 Speaker 1: but we're like, yeah, he's not good at He's not 954 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:09,319 Speaker 1: good at I mean he thought he was. He was 955 00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,960 Speaker 1: enraged by the idea that he would dance because dancing 956 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: would make him look silly, like he was enraged by 957 00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:17,239 Speaker 1: the idea that a girl he liked might dance, because 958 00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: he thought dancing was silly. And yet he chose that mustache. 959 00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,240 Speaker 1: Come on, my guy. Yeah, I mean so did Charlie 960 00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: chaplin Um and sorry that first speech. Don't forgive I 961 00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:34,839 Speaker 1: know what a choice. He must have just been thinking, like, 962 00:52:34,920 --> 00:52:37,879 Speaker 1: you know what, I think I'm famous enough to rehabilitate 963 00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:44,200 Speaker 1: this mustache. Let's do this. I mean, speaking of conspiracy theories, 964 00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:49,360 Speaker 1: there's so many around Michael Jordan's sure, are there. Yeah, 965 00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who claim that he murdered 966 00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:55,560 Speaker 1: his father or not murdered. But but is the cause 967 00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,160 Speaker 1: of his father being murdered. Serious theories that he had 968 00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,960 Speaker 1: to leave bass cootball for gambling debts, conspiracy series that 969 00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,240 Speaker 1: he was throwing games. There is stuff. I can't speak 970 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:10,160 Speaker 1: to most of it, but I have trouble imagining that 971 00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:13,160 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan couldn't have made enough money in basketball to 972 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:18,359 Speaker 1: cover his gambling debts. Yeah, skip that part. I think 973 00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,399 Speaker 1: I think he was doing all right. I think the 974 00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:25,000 Speaker 1: theory is more that he had gambling debts that went 975 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:30,040 Speaker 1: unpaid and people wanted vengeance in a way that would 976 00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,879 Speaker 1: actually hurt Michael Jordan's which the money would not um, 977 00:53:33,960 --> 00:53:36,600 Speaker 1: and then subsequently killed his dad, and then he quit 978 00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:43,000 Speaker 1: basketball because he couldn't get past the the shitty feeling. 979 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,839 Speaker 1: There's a lot. There's a lot going on besides that 980 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 1: questionable mustache is what I was allusing. All I know 981 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:53,759 Speaker 1: about him is that he was real damn good at basketball, 982 00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:58,600 Speaker 1: less good at baseball and golf. Um that he's a 983 00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:04,840 Speaker 1: he's a mean, mean but the best. Yeah, but space 984 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:10,280 Speaker 1: Jam was pretty rad. It was nice to bugs, Bunny, 985 00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:12,759 Speaker 1: you got I mean, you don't want you don't want 986 00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,879 Speaker 1: to piss off bugs bugs money? No bugs, Bunny will 987 00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:29,000 Speaker 1: fuck you up. So um yeah, speaking of yeah boy 988 00:54:29,360 --> 00:54:34,000 Speaker 1: um so yeah. I don't know, man, Um, that's that's 989 00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,359 Speaker 1: more or less. It's like right. I I mentioned those 990 00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,719 Speaker 1: two speeches both because they clearly have some of the 991 00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,960 Speaker 1: DNA and the protocols in them, and they're they're often 992 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:47,960 Speaker 1: seen as direct evidence that Hitler personally directed the Holocaust. Um. 993 00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,440 Speaker 1: I think the majority this isn't. I will say the 994 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:55,759 Speaker 1: question of Hitler's direct like direct direction of the Holocaust 995 00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,560 Speaker 1: is debated to some extent. I think there's very broad 996 00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,800 Speaker 1: agreement that it was. It was instituted at his command 997 00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: and largely with his understanding, even though he was a delegator, right, 998 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,160 Speaker 1: he wasn't sure like mapping out how the deaf camps 999 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,920 Speaker 1: would work. He had guys like Reinhard Heydrich and Um 1000 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:14,040 Speaker 1: and Adolf Eichman to do that stuff. But he he 1001 00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,839 Speaker 1: he ordered it, which is which is the way that 1002 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,160 Speaker 1: all governments work, right at the end of the day, 1003 00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,800 Speaker 1: you know, even the bombs that get dropped on another country, 1004 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,319 Speaker 1: the president didn't like pick the spot. He just sort 1005 00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 1: of gets a guy to pick the spot and do 1006 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: the Yeah, they'll hand him a couple of spots and 1007 00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,200 Speaker 1: he'll say, Okay, let's let's do that one. My experience 1008 00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:40,360 Speaker 1: writing the Amtrak has prepared me to know where to bomb. 1009 00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,600 Speaker 1: Maybe the way our government works doesn't make a lot 1010 00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,960 Speaker 1: of sense, is what I'm saying. Um, but yeah, um 1011 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:54,840 Speaker 1: so I don't know. Uh, it's I think one of 1012 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,920 Speaker 1: the things. Again, there's a lot, and it's much more 1013 00:55:57,920 --> 00:56:00,360 Speaker 1: debated the degree which the protocols would have influenced Hitler. 1014 00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 1: I think because they influenced so much of the propaganda 1015 00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:05,400 Speaker 1: that he would have consumed as a young man, they 1016 00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,319 Speaker 1: had an impact on him. You can see shades of 1017 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:10,239 Speaker 1: them in those speeches he was giving. I think they're 1018 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,280 Speaker 1: bigger impact on the Holocaust was in preparing the people 1019 00:56:13,320 --> 00:56:16,400 Speaker 1: of Europe to accept and cheer on the extermination of 1020 00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,959 Speaker 1: their Jewish neighbors. In our Holocaust remembrance media, we tend 1021 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,000 Speaker 1: to focus on the happiest stories that exist from that time, 1022 00:56:24,080 --> 00:56:27,520 Speaker 1: stuff like Schindler's List, right, um, Stuff like the story 1023 00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:30,719 Speaker 1: of like those the neighbors who protected Anne Frank and 1024 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,440 Speaker 1: her family are at least attempted to stories of good 1025 00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,919 Speaker 1: people risking or sacrificing their lives to protect their Jewish neighbors. 1026 00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,359 Speaker 1: This happened a bunch. It's fair. The stories of what 1027 00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,520 Speaker 1: what the Israel calls the righteous among nations, the non 1028 00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,560 Speaker 1: Jews who protected Jews in the Holocaust, very important stories, Um, 1029 00:56:46,600 --> 00:56:50,600 Speaker 1: but they were not the norm. That's why they're highlighted 1030 00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,080 Speaker 1: because most people were not just willing to let this happen. 1031 00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,759 Speaker 1: They eagerly turned in their Jewish neighbors. In France when 1032 00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 1: the Nazis tick over, French citizens handed over so many 1033 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,080 Speaker 1: Jews to the Nazis. The Nazis had to tell them 1034 00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:07,520 Speaker 1: to stop because they couldn't they couldn't handle that many 1035 00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:11,480 Speaker 1: people that quickly. UM. And Frances, where the Protocols of 1036 00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,399 Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion first appeared, you know, that had 1037 00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:17,040 Speaker 1: an impact on why that was the case, because a 1038 00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:19,720 Speaker 1: lot of people thought, and there's more to it than that, 1039 00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: but it was the same in Ukraine and Poland and Russia. 1040 00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,320 Speaker 1: Villagers massacred their neighbors. Has happened a lot. In Poland, 1041 00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:27,840 Speaker 1: the Germans would come in and they would find the 1042 00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,440 Speaker 1: Jews in the village already dead because people would kill 1043 00:57:30,440 --> 00:57:32,920 Speaker 1: them to take their stuff. And a lot of times 1044 00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:36,160 Speaker 1: it's more complex than the protocol scrambled these people's brains. 1045 00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,800 Speaker 1: Most of them probably had heard excerpts from the Protocols 1046 00:57:38,800 --> 00:57:40,440 Speaker 1: over the years, most of them had never read it. 1047 00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,280 Speaker 1: But in many cases, the most direct motivation for the 1048 00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:46,600 Speaker 1: genocide was economic. It's the same thing with, for example, 1049 00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,200 Speaker 1: the internment of Japanese American citizens, which was directly lobbied 1050 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:53,160 Speaker 1: for by white farmers in California because they wanted to 1051 00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:56,680 Speaker 1: take those people's land. A lot of times, when you're 1052 00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:59,360 Speaker 1: talking about Jews being turned in by people in Europe, 1053 00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:01,480 Speaker 1: it was because the people turning them in or even 1054 00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:04,200 Speaker 1: just murdering them, wanted to gain access to their farms 1055 00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,000 Speaker 1: or businesses. The Nazis had a policy of arianization, where 1056 00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,720 Speaker 1: they would take businesses from Jewish people and give them 1057 00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 1: to quote unquote arians. But the Protocols and the propaganda 1058 00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:18,320 Speaker 1: that the Protocols inspired provided a moral justification for this process. 1059 00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,360 Speaker 1: Because people don't want to just think I killed my 1060 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 1: neighbor because I'm greedy. It's much easier to think my 1061 00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,880 Speaker 1: neighbor was conspiring against me, so it's right that I 1062 00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,120 Speaker 1: take his ship. You know, that's a lot easier to 1063 00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:34,360 Speaker 1: square yourself with It changes murdering or turning in your 1064 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,000 Speaker 1: neighbor from a venal act of slaughter for profit to 1065 00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: an act of racial self defense. We needed the Native 1066 00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:44,440 Speaker 1: Americans to be savages otherwise this doesn't work. The whole 1067 00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:48,120 Speaker 1: plan is faulty if, in fact, it was common for 1068 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:53,080 Speaker 1: white settlers too like leave white society and join Native 1069 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,400 Speaker 1: American tribes because it was much more pleasant to like 1070 00:58:55,480 --> 00:58:57,280 Speaker 1: live that way than it was to like live in 1071 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:02,200 Speaker 1: fucking New York City in sixt eighty um. The fact, like, 1072 00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,360 Speaker 1: we we can't talk that. We have to just depict 1073 00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:06,920 Speaker 1: them as like scalping people and stuff, because you know, 1074 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,560 Speaker 1: that's the way it goes. The Protocols of the Elders 1075 00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,880 Speaker 1: of Zion still spread today. Americans like Henry Ford played 1076 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,640 Speaker 1: a significant role in spreading in here. And we haven't 1077 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:18,280 Speaker 1: even talked about him, but he he published the protocols 1078 00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:21,400 Speaker 1: in the United States. Henry Ford spent huge amounts of 1079 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 1: money trying to get the Protocols of the Elders of 1080 00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:25,680 Speaker 1: Zion and as many people's hands as possible. He only 1081 00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:28,360 Speaker 1: stopped doing this when World War Two broke out. Like 1082 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,000 Speaker 1: a lot of Western anti Semites, the sheer brutality of 1083 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:33,960 Speaker 1: the Holocaust forced him to at least pretend that he 1084 00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:38,720 Speaker 1: hadn't agreed with everything the Nazis. I just published it. 1085 00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:42,320 Speaker 1: I didn't whoa, whoa. I was just saying they were 1086 00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:44,520 Speaker 1: trying to kill us all. I didn't think we'd murdered them. 1087 00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:49,880 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Henry, yeah, Dick. So the wake of 1088 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,800 Speaker 1: the Holocaust led to a collapse in public support for 1089 00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,600 Speaker 1: outright anti Semitism, but the protocols didn't go away, nor 1090 00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:00,160 Speaker 1: did they become only the purview of fringe neo Nazis, 1091 01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:04,000 Speaker 1: and staid they became sublimated into the American mindset in 1092 01:00:04,040 --> 01:00:06,760 Speaker 1: a lot of cases, stripped of the direct anti semitism, 1093 01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,240 Speaker 1: but not stripped of it's a power to kind of 1094 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:12,280 Speaker 1: convince people of a rubric of violence that was being 1095 01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:14,680 Speaker 1: planned against them. I laid out this process in detail 1096 01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 1: when we talked about Columbia, but it happened here too. 1097 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Right starts as an anti Semitic conspiracy theory. The anti 1098 01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,160 Speaker 1: Semitism never gets fully stripped out, but the conspiracy theory 1099 01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,520 Speaker 1: and the way it changes how people think, that's what 1100 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:28,960 Speaker 1: has the greatest impact. In the United States. We have 1101 01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:32,160 Speaker 1: not yet in this country had our equivalent of Laviollncia, 1102 01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:34,240 Speaker 1: but over the last several decades, we have watched a 1103 01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,840 Speaker 1: series of conspiracy theory spread in subcultures right and left wing. 1104 01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,640 Speaker 1: The New World Order and Illuminati conspiracy theories are both 1105 01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,160 Speaker 1: direct descendants of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. 1106 01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,320 Speaker 1: In fact, they are the same conspiracy that a tiny 1107 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,800 Speaker 1: and ancient cabal of wealthy families are working together to 1108 01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,960 Speaker 1: destroy humanity. When you scratch these theories deep enough, a 1109 01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:56,280 Speaker 1: well of anti Semitism always rises up. It's why George 1110 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,960 Speaker 1: Soros is such a big part of so many people's conspiracy. 1111 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:01,640 Speaker 1: You know, not like he's a billionaire, they're all bad, 1112 01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:04,880 Speaker 1: but like he's he's he's not trying to destroy the world. 1113 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:08,280 Speaker 1: He's different than those other billionaires, and he's just a 1114 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:12,040 Speaker 1: guy who needs to be taxed more. Um. Yeah, It's 1115 01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,240 Speaker 1: why a lot of non racist believers of the New 1116 01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,960 Speaker 1: World Order back in the nineties would, once they had 1117 01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,720 Speaker 1: a couple of drinks in them, call it the jew 1118 01:01:18,760 --> 01:01:21,920 Speaker 1: World Order, because again, the anti Semitism has never stripped 1119 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,000 Speaker 1: out entirely. Alex Jones is a great example of this. 1120 01:01:25,360 --> 01:01:28,480 Speaker 1: He is not a dumb man, and he is careful 1121 01:01:28,560 --> 01:01:33,000 Speaker 1: enough to never call his globalists Jews, but his collars 1122 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:35,560 Speaker 1: are not so careful. On the show Knowledge Fight, one 1123 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,600 Speaker 1: of my favorite podcasts, Dan Freeze and his documented repeatedly 1124 01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:42,200 Speaker 1: callers into Innfo Wars asking Alex's opinion on the Jews, 1125 01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:44,520 Speaker 1: and he will generally push back on this and just 1126 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,840 Speaker 1: move on very quickly to the next caller. But he 1127 01:01:46,880 --> 01:01:49,600 Speaker 1: has an employee named Harrison Smith who is less quoit on. 1128 01:01:49,640 --> 01:01:53,200 Speaker 1: On Harrison Smith Show, Smith will regularly talk about Jewish 1129 01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:56,080 Speaker 1: domination of the media and the government for hours with 1130 01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,200 Speaker 1: his callers because they all know what Alex is saying. 1131 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:02,240 Speaker 1: Q and On also holds within it the DNA of 1132 01:02:02,280 --> 01:02:04,440 Speaker 1: the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I found a 1133 01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:07,440 Speaker 1: right up by Gregory Stanton on the website Just Security 1134 01:02:07,520 --> 01:02:10,520 Speaker 1: that lays this out well enough. Gregory worked for Genocide 1135 01:02:10,520 --> 01:02:13,200 Speaker 1: Watch and the Alliance to Prevent Genocide and as a result, 1136 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,200 Speaker 1: is one of those folks who spends his life trawling 1137 01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:18,080 Speaker 1: the underbelly of the Internet looking for the telltale fingerprints 1138 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:22,640 Speaker 1: of the protocols. He writes, Q and On pervades the 1139 01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,480 Speaker 1: fantasy that a secret Satan worshiping cabal is taking over 1140 01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:28,560 Speaker 1: the world. Its members kidnapped white children, keep them in secret. 1141 01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,240 Speaker 1: Prisons were run by pedophiles, slaughter and eat them to 1142 01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,840 Speaker 1: gain power from the essence in their blood. The cabal 1143 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,040 Speaker 1: held the American presidency under the Clintons, and Obama nearly 1144 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,720 Speaker 1: took power again in two thousand sixteen and lurks in 1145 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,480 Speaker 1: a deep state financed by Jews, including George Soros and 1146 01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 1: in Jews who control the media. They went to disarmed 1147 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:49,160 Speaker 1: citizens and defund the police. They promote abortion, transgender rights, 1148 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:52,280 Speaker 1: and homosexuality. They went to open borders so brown illegal 1149 01:02:52,320 --> 01:02:55,880 Speaker 1: aliens can invade America and mongrelize the white race. Q 1150 01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:58,960 Speaker 1: and On true believers think Donald Trump will rescue America 1151 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,920 Speaker 1: from the Satanic ball. At the time of the storm, 1152 01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,360 Speaker 1: supporters of the Capitol will be round of the Cabal 1153 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:06,840 Speaker 1: will be rounded up and executed. The q and On 1154 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,080 Speaker 1: conspiracy theory has now spread to neo Nazis in Germany, 1155 01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:13,000 Speaker 1: where over two hundred thousand German German q and On 1156 01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,840 Speaker 1: accounts infests the Internet. A faction known as Reichberger or 1157 01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:19,800 Speaker 1: Citizens of the Reich, orchestrated a brief storming of the 1158 01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:24,560 Speaker 1: German Parliament on August twenty nine. Oh Man Jesus Christ 1159 01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:31,760 Speaker 1: I've also never heard it explicitly stated as stealing white children. 1160 01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:33,960 Speaker 1: They don't say that because they want to deny that 1161 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:37,600 Speaker 1: it's racism, but they're they're they're focused on illegal aliens 1162 01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:40,120 Speaker 1: and very they're trying to change the character of this nation. 1163 01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:42,720 Speaker 1: They're trying to change the way this nation looks. You know, 1164 01:03:43,160 --> 01:03:45,920 Speaker 1: you don't say they're trying to make replace white people. 1165 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:51,919 Speaker 1: Q and On doesn't, but that's what they're saying. They'll 1166 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:55,360 Speaker 1: find their way to that part. And you can find 1167 01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,400 Speaker 1: Nazis saying like, hey, Q and On is a great 1168 01:03:57,400 --> 01:04:00,160 Speaker 1: way to convince people of white genocide conspiracy theories. They're 1169 01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:05,560 Speaker 1: already halfway there, you know, um boil boy, it's great, 1170 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:10,480 Speaker 1: it's good. My favorite part is how even if you 1171 01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:12,520 Speaker 1: can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's fake, 1172 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,200 Speaker 1: people will still believe it. That's the thing that gives 1173 01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 1: me hope. It's it's the conspiracies are so layered now 1174 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:23,960 Speaker 1: that it's like to to to prove it wrong is 1175 01:04:24,040 --> 01:04:27,400 Speaker 1: only to prove that the conspiracy theory is deeper than 1176 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:31,760 Speaker 1: we even knew it was. And it it one of 1177 01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,200 Speaker 1: the reasons why arguing with conspiracy theorists is basically pointless, 1178 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,680 Speaker 1: is that if you're not one of them, they will 1179 01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,000 Speaker 1: always spend more time thinking about this and as soon 1180 01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:41,760 Speaker 1: as you point out one thing that's false, slill bring 1181 01:04:41,800 --> 01:04:43,720 Speaker 1: up something you've never even considered, and you won't be 1182 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,040 Speaker 1: ready to counter it, right like, because that's like this 1183 01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,040 Speaker 1: is their whole life is thinking about all the different branches. Okay, 1184 01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:51,520 Speaker 1: well but what about this? What about this? It's the 1185 01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:54,200 Speaker 1: same thing, like Ben Shapiro does not in a conspiratorial way. 1186 01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:57,200 Speaker 1: It's a debate tactic and it's not it's not an 1187 01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,800 Speaker 1: ethical debate tactic, but it's how you win debates. It's 1188 01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:02,400 Speaker 1: by bringing up more things than your opponent can refute, 1189 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:06,760 Speaker 1: you know. The gish gill up is another term for it. Yeah. 1190 01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:10,360 Speaker 1: He also employs this strategy that I think is is 1191 01:05:10,440 --> 01:05:13,960 Speaker 1: now becoming super effective of being like, well, debate me, 1192 01:05:14,600 --> 01:05:17,960 Speaker 1: and it's it's, well, what are we debating? I've already 1193 01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,200 Speaker 1: proven you wrong, But it's like, no, let's bring this 1194 01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:23,200 Speaker 1: to a public form so that I can distract you. 1195 01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:25,920 Speaker 1: And then if I don't debate you, now I'm the 1196 01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:30,160 Speaker 1: idiot who couldn't debate been Ben Shapiro on his public 1197 01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:33,080 Speaker 1: platform and it's not enough to show like, Okay, you 1198 01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,320 Speaker 1: lied about this one thing, He's already moved on to 1199 01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,680 Speaker 1: the next lie. And like, if you're not ready to 1200 01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,680 Speaker 1: counter every single lie, you're going to It's the same way. 1201 01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:46,280 Speaker 1: That's why. That's another reason why the syncretism of conspiracy theories. 1202 01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:49,080 Speaker 1: Being able to pull everything into this grand conspiracy theory 1203 01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,600 Speaker 1: makes it stronger because you like start arguing about one 1204 01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:53,080 Speaker 1: thing like Okay, well what about this, what about this? 1205 01:05:53,160 --> 01:05:55,360 Speaker 1: What about this? And like you'll never be ready to 1206 01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:59,200 Speaker 1: That's why facts, facts are not the answer to beating 1207 01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,760 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories. Providing people with the things that they're missing 1208 01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:05,640 Speaker 1: that caused them to believe in the conspiracy theory is 1209 01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:12,200 Speaker 1: the only real long term solution to to de radicalizing them. Um, 1210 01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:17,480 Speaker 1: and that's hard. Yeah, nobody's worried about the cabal when 1211 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,000 Speaker 1: they're happy in their home exactly. It's like in the 1212 01:06:21,080 --> 01:06:23,479 Speaker 1: twenties they tried the ship in Colombia didn't spread because 1213 01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:26,480 Speaker 1: people were doing good. It's when ship's fucked up that 1214 01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:31,120 Speaker 1: these things have a lot easier time spreading. Thankfully, everything's 1215 01:06:31,160 --> 01:06:36,560 Speaker 1: getting better in the world. We can all agree on that. Well, Langston, 1216 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,160 Speaker 1: we did it. How you doing I'm doing good. I 1217 01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,720 Speaker 1: had a lovely time. This is great. Well, I'm glad 1218 01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:47,400 Speaker 1: you had a lovely time talking about the protocols of 1219 01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:51,920 Speaker 1: the Elders of Zion. I I learned a lot. I 1220 01:06:52,040 --> 01:06:56,919 Speaker 1: don't feel better on our show. You never feel better 1221 01:06:57,000 --> 01:07:00,400 Speaker 1: at the end. Yeah. Learning things about the world never 1222 01:07:00,560 --> 01:07:03,800 Speaker 1: makes it easier. There was no healing for me personally, 1223 01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:07,800 Speaker 1: but maybe maybe someone at home will feel a little 1224 01:07:07,840 --> 01:07:10,040 Speaker 1: bit of catharsis at the end of this bad Boy. 1225 01:07:10,200 --> 01:07:13,800 Speaker 1: So our our job here isn't to heal people. It's 1226 01:07:13,840 --> 01:07:15,880 Speaker 1: to just stick a finger in the wound a little 1227 01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:21,000 Speaker 1: bit deeper, you know. That's that's apparently why four million 1228 01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,920 Speaker 1: times a month people download this show because they all 1229 01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:28,000 Speaker 1: have they all have wounds that they want fingers. Stick 1230 01:07:28,080 --> 01:07:33,200 Speaker 1: that finger in me, Please stick that finger in. All right, 1231 01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:35,440 Speaker 1: we'll be back next week and we'll talk about I 1232 01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:42,439 Speaker 1: don't know Will Wheaton, No, he's a monster. Yeah. Well, 1233 01:07:43,280 --> 01:07:45,320 Speaker 1: before we go, Lankson, is there anything you want to 1234 01:07:45,360 --> 01:07:49,760 Speaker 1: plug for our listeners? Oh yeah, please listen to my 1235 01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:53,920 Speaker 1: very silly, far less research podcast. It's called My Mama 1236 01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,080 Speaker 1: Told Me. We talk about conspiracy theories, specifically in the 1237 01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:02,160 Speaker 1: black community. It's it's a a good time. I recommend 1238 01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:08,280 Speaker 1: tell Yeah, well so do I and I don't know. 1239 01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:11,080 Speaker 1: What do we what? What's a good joke to end 1240 01:08:11,120 --> 01:08:16,160 Speaker 1: on Sophie? I don't know, Robert, Well, I don't have 1241 01:08:16,200 --> 01:08:20,400 Speaker 1: any jokes. That's not my job. Yeah, I guess the 1242 01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:33,800 Speaker 1: joke is that the degeneration of society is largely inevitable. Everything. Oh, 1243 01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:38,160 Speaker 1: we have fun, Bye bye,