WEBVTT - Heterosexuality is Gooning 0:00:03.440 --> 0:00:09.960 Time, that's straight, the space time continuous? Is gay matter, 0:00:10.360 --> 0:00:11.760 is trans matter? 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:21.759 She's sheen ami, no ma, not n yo yo. What 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:22.720 is your challenge? 0:00:24.880 --> 0:00:26.880 I am a chokund. 0:00:28.560 --> 0:00:32.800 You know what's going down before round. 0:00:42.120 --> 0:00:44.000 Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we give 0:00:44.080 --> 0:00:47.120 yesterday's pop culture. Today's takes Arma's Damu. 0:00:47.320 --> 0:00:48.520 And I'm Frank Rada. 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.120 And it is Thursday, which means the final episode of 0:00:52.240 --> 0:00:54.440 Dress Like That is airing today, and that means that 0:00:54.520 --> 0:00:58.240 tomorrow we will have a recap of it live on 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:02.800 our Patreon Patreon slash Like a Virgin. 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And that is heterosexuality. Yes, heterosexuality, 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:04.760 What is it? And what causes it? In the words 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:09.840 of Willie Norris, we honestly, I was reminiscing when I 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:11.919 was like hopping over to the studio today, And by 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.680 the studio, I mean my office next to all of 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:22.880 my vintage pornography and rose have you ever. I'm gonna say, Okay, 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:25.840 you and I. I used to be heterosexual, or I 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.160 used to think I was heterosexual. I think this was 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:31.200 maybe I used to pretend to be heterosexual. Well, I 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:35.240 fully did actually think I was or could be. Well, 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:37.360 And so then you were lying to yourself. 0:02:38.000 --> 0:02:39.080 I absolutely was. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:43.560 And in the period where maybe you were lying to yourself, 0:02:44.800 --> 0:02:50.600 was there any anything in heterosexual culture that you maybe 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:55.440 really secretly loved or partook in and now you're ashamed of? Yeah, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:03:00.880 I was so gay, and I was so interested in 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:04.280 gay things, and like you know, like I did. I 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:07.440 went to an art school, like I did theater. All 0:03:07.520 --> 0:03:12.200 of my friends were girls. I really didn't participate in 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:18.600 any hetero culture like at all. I'm really like trying 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:23.960 to do the assignment and like racking my brain and actually, 0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:29.720 just honestly, don't think I ever pretended to like anything straight. 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:32.840 You're actually touching on Oh wait, wait wait, I do 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.960 have an answer. Okay, it's not from my adolescence. Okay, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:39.880 So when I was in when I was in college 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:43.400 and just after college, I had a predominantly straight group 0:03:43.400 --> 0:03:46.960 of friends, and some of them listened to this podcast, 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:51.400 so you know, for forgive me for this, but they 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:57.360 were very into blues music and like Bob Dylan and 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.200 acoustic guitars and stuff, and so so at a certain 0:04:01.240 --> 0:04:04.640 point like this is like like the end of college 0:04:04.640 --> 0:04:08.280 and like right after college, like a lot of the 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:11.560 parties we had or that I went to were very 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:16.000 much characterized by a bunch of people like sitting in 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.479 a circle singing along to Bob Dylan. And I did 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:24.480 pretend to be into that, like, probably not very well, 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.960 but I participated in it. And it is a reason 0:04:27.960 --> 0:04:29.720 why at a certain point in my life I had 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.679 a rule that you could not come into my apartment 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:34.960 if you had an acoustic guitar with you because of 0:04:35.600 --> 0:04:41.440 the trauma I experienced during that time. And yeah, I 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:43.520 did pretend to be into that sort of like let's 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:45.960 all sit around and sing and like drink whiskey and 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:50.919 like hahaha. And I actually hated it. And that is 0:04:50.960 --> 0:04:56.080 the reason why when my best friend from high school 0:04:56.160 --> 0:04:57.800 moved to New York City and had had kind of 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:01.360 similar experience, that's why and I like teamed up and 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.760 started exploring queerness together, and that's what kind of led 0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:07.960 me into queer night life and stuff. Was like that 0:05:09.080 --> 0:05:13.440 rejection of that kind of straight culture. So yeah, So 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:16.120 in my youth, I like was very true to myself 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.480 and very self possessed and was like no, no hetero. 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:24.920 And then yeah, like in my young adulthood, I did 0:05:25.040 --> 0:05:27.800 backslide a little bit, but then I like swung very 0:05:27.800 --> 0:05:30.159 hard in the opposite direction. What about you, Fran, What 0:05:30.279 --> 0:05:33.359 did you well pretend to like? 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:35.200 Can I say something about Bob Dylan? 0:05:35.920 --> 0:05:41.480 Yeah, folks, well, yes, I just I feel like, Okay, 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:46.159 I consider myself a very open person in terms of 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:47.359 like cultural consumption. 0:05:48.240 --> 0:05:49.800 I will listen to a lot of things. I will 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:50.760 watch a lot of things. 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:53.400 If people recommend me stuff or tell me that it's 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.320 important to them, I'm going to listen to it. And 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:58.480 particularly the whole part of this podcast. Yes, and particularly 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.039 like if someone's gonna turn on some music and I 0:06:01.040 --> 0:06:04.240 don't love the music, I'm still gonna like listen to it, 0:06:04.360 --> 0:06:06.159 or I'm still gonna find a way to enjoy it 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:08.880 or figure out how it's a specific vibe that can 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:15.600 be enjoyed. Right if someone turns on Bob Dylan, I 0:06:15.640 --> 0:06:19.720 am actually standing up and saying, turn that shit off. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:25.120 I actually, actually, I actually that's like one of the 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:30.960 few next to like sorry, Ava Max Slater, and maybe 0:06:31.000 --> 0:06:33.839 like the Beatles. I mean Ava Max's song on the 0:06:33.839 --> 0:06:35.120 Barbie album is good. 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.840 Honestly, I guess I'm sure I do have that. 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.520 I do have the term Ava Max muted on Twitter though, 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.680 way yeah no. But also, like the Beatles is kind 0:06:43.680 --> 0:06:45.760 of in this category. It's like, if you try to 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.560 play the Beatles at a function, I'm standing up and 0:06:49.600 --> 0:06:51.919 I'm saying, turn that shit off. Well, it's just not 0:06:52.160 --> 0:06:55.720 party music. That kind of is not party music. The 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:57.720 one thing I will give that time in my life 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:01.279 is that it did sort of help lead me to 0:07:01.920 --> 0:07:07.200 discovering Patti Smith. Although also that was the era of 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.680 when just Kids came out, so it was like part 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:13.560 of the culture, so I will I will give it that, 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:19.160 but yeah, I just like, you know, we're there that 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.560 time in my life, I did not besides Lady Gaga, 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.360 I like didn't listen to pop music because I was 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.920 like ashamed to like it because none of my friends 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:32.960 listened to it, and I just like pretended to be 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:37.000 into the things that they were into, and I it 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:39.960 was a It was a very short period of time, 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.520 but I still look back on it and I'm like, ough, gross, 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:46.760 I should have not done that. Anyway, What straight things 0:07:47.080 --> 0:07:50.120 did you pretend to? Like? Honestly, so many things like 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:56.760 American Eagle, like gay, I know right, it was kind 0:07:56.800 --> 0:07:59.080 of gay. I used to have a crush on Lindsay Lohan. 0:07:59.160 --> 0:08:01.320 I think I've talked about them or the first thing. Honestly, 0:08:01.400 --> 0:08:03.880 when you but you're really just like Diva, I'd be like, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:08.440 I love your long hair, Diva. No, I feel like 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:10.720 the I feel like pretending to have a crush on 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.760 Ladzy Lohan is so funny. It's like pretending like a 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:16.720 like a closeted gig. I being like, yeah, lady, that 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:18.480 Lady Gaga is so fucking hot. 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.920 Yeah, that Lady Gaga is so hot. I love her 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:26.440 cool costumes. They're so hot, her hot, sludy costumes. I love. 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:28.760 I would be like, I would literally and this is 0:08:28.800 --> 0:08:31.200 not this is not an exaggeration. I'd literally be in 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.280 like fourth or fifth grade and I'd be like, I'd 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.760 be like, yeah, I love Lindsay Lohan because I think 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:40.640 her freckles are so hot. We are hot. 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.120 I know, it's like not a thing. 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:46.480 Anyways, So when you were talking about music, I immediately thought 0:08:46.520 --> 0:08:49.520 about how the first one of the first two albums 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:53.200 I ever bought was The Black Eyed Peas. I believe 0:08:53.559 --> 0:08:56.080 elephunk or if not, no, maybe it was a monkey business. 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:57.000 It was a Black Eyed. 0:08:56.880 --> 0:09:01.080 Peas, the one with pump it out of And that 0:09:01.280 --> 0:09:04.640 is actually a musical taste that I have that has 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:05.840 withstood the test of time. 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:07.320 And I might have maybe not listened. 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:11.920 Yeah, that's not streat music, the Black Eyed and you 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:16.520 know it, Rose black Eyed Peas is pat neurosexual culture, 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:20.800 like Black Eyed Peas is flash mob culture. It's Oprah 0:09:20.920 --> 0:09:27.960 special culture, it's good Morning America culture. It's heterosexuality. I well, 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:31.679 I do think you're you are and this is I 0:09:31.720 --> 0:09:33.720 know this, there's nuance here, but I do think you're 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:40.360 conflating heterosexual culture with just monoculture in general, and like, yes, 0:09:40.480 --> 0:09:43.000 at the time, at the time when the Black Eyed 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:48.080 Peas were really popular, monoculture was extremely straight. But I 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:50.440 just want to like, I just want to say, like, 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.400 I don't think. I don't think the music the Black 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:58.280 Eyed Peas made like is there's inherently something like broie 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:00.600 or hetero or whatever about it. I think it's just 0:10:00.640 --> 0:10:04.480 at the time when like the monoculture was so strong 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:06.800 and it was so straight that those things, wait, are 0:10:06.920 --> 0:10:09.400 that's actually okay, I've never even thought about that, but 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.360 like truly, especially thinking about like the aughts and the 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:19.600 twenty ten specifically are excruciatingly heterosexual. Like actually, like heterosexual 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:23.160 was so prevalent, and it's like funny actually to think 0:10:23.200 --> 0:10:26.160 now that in twenty twenty three, like monoculture is kind 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:30.199 of gay. Like it's like like all our icons are gay, 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:31.400 all our celebrities are gay. 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:32.720 The way we talk is gay. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:36.760 Like now straight people say like slay, Yeah, like that's 0:10:36.840 --> 0:10:41.440 kind of crazy. Yeah, drag race is more consumed by 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:44.520 straight people than gay people. Yeah, Like now straight people 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.880 pretend to like gay things to seem cool. You know, 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:51.400 it's one thing I've I'm not pretending to like just 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:55.160 to squeeze a little topicality into this chit chat section. 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.120 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, of course is. 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:04.160 The Addison Ray ep. Baby Okay have you listened? Yeah, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:10.040 girl girl? It is the fame era Gaga tease she 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:15.520 even had. She even recorded one of Gaga's demos. It's 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:22.079 so catchy and like like like fizzy, like like when 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.560 you pour a coke into a glass, like it's like 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:27.160 the fizz at the top, Like that's what this EP is. 0:11:27.600 --> 0:11:33.360 It is eleven minutes long. It's really good. There's a 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:37.200 Charlie XCX feature on it. The Gaga demo that she 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.520 did a rendition of is Nothing on About the Radio, 0:11:40.520 --> 0:11:43.120 which was famously like supposed to be on Born This 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:44.640 Way then it was supposed to be on Art Pop. 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:48.000 There are like there, there are lots of there's a 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.360 demo version of it on YouTube, and obviously, like Addison 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.320 Ray doesn't sound as good as Gaga does, but it's 0:11:54.440 --> 0:11:56.720 very fun and it's just like a dumb little ep 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.480 and she kind of is the queen of pop. Wait 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.760 and I've never cared about Addison Ray before ever, but 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.120 now I see the little monster she is and I 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:10.440 have to respect that that is such a I did 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:13.120 not know about the demo. That is such a serve 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:15.240 just from your description. I have yet to listen to 0:12:15.240 --> 0:12:17.120 the EP. I was seeing people tweet about it. I'm 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:19.240 going to listen to it. It is eleven minutes and 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:21.439 fifty seven seconds, and there. 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:25.040 Are I mean song is too. Yeah, every song is 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.439 two minutes and fifteen seconds. 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:27.080 Love that. 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:30.840 I can't wait to listen. 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.400 Is she just I don't need a full history, but 0:12:33.480 --> 0:12:36.679 she is a TikToker And then she had a Netflix special. 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:42.240 She became famous, I believe during COVID for doing those 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.800 little dances on TikTok. Then she was people that get 0:12:45.840 --> 0:12:50.080 famous during COVID. Honestly, you know, the cream of the crop. Definitely, 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.920 she is always serving as culture. She was sort of 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:58.080 a plant friend on Keeping up with the Kardashians, like 0:12:58.120 --> 0:13:02.040 the final season, she was like friends quote unquote with Courtney. 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:09.200 And then yes, she starred in Netflix's She's All That Real. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:12.560 I almost said, I almost said She's the Man remake, 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:18.240 which I wish now that Netflix is She's All That 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:22.280 remake He's All That which I have watched it is horrible. 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.880 And then since then, I think she's mainly but like, 0:13:27.440 --> 0:13:29.000 she was supposed to have an album come out and 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.640 then it leaked and so she scrapped it. I really 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.760 only know this from like things that I've gleaned on 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:37.160 Twitter and likes. Occasionally they'll talk about her on HOO weekly, 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:40.120 And then I think since then, she's just been kind 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:44.480 of like being famous, like in a very unspecific way, 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:47.840 and she has had some gaggy fashion moments wearing like 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:52.040 cool archival stuff, and now she released this EP and 0:13:52.240 --> 0:13:56.120 it is sickening. So this is a person who's famous 0:13:56.120 --> 0:13:58.680 for being famous, but lo and behold, she has the talent, 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:03.239 and the talent is well, she was famous for dancing 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:06.480 on TikTok and you know that's right dance. That is 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.719 some kind of talent. And she like was, Yeah, I 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:13.640 mean I don't care about her, but the CP is fun. 0:14:14.160 --> 0:14:15.400 I'm about to care about her. 0:14:16.160 --> 0:14:18.320 So yeah, not on not a lot of like topical 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:21.000 pop culture this week. But I hope you I hope 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:26.600 you enjoyed our little, uh sort of intro into our 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:33.320 larger conversation about heterosexuality, which is coming up after the break. 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:37.560 And oh, make sure that you subscribe to the patriotic 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:59.120 dot com slash like a Virgin. Was there ever a 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:05.080 time in your life you wanted to be straight? I 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:09.160 mean probably every day, every hour until I was like 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.520 seventeen or eighteen. Yeah, that was probably, Yes, my my 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.000 greatest wish that. And I wish that I was circumcised 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:17.440 because I thought that my dick looked weird. 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.320 But I love my dick now so now. 0:15:20.400 --> 0:15:22.480 Yeah, and I also don't want to be straight anymore, 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:27.840 which is great. What about you, I got information? Yeah, yeah, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:32.960 I really really processing all that. I think the only 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:36.200 time I actually wanted to be straight was not ever 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:44.520 when I was gay. It was after I transitioned. I 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.920 wanted to be a straight woman, you know, that was 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.080 the fantasy, and that was very much like my vibe 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:56.360 for after kind of the terrible twos of transness. Then 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.360 I progressed to this point where I was like, I 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.280 don't want to be queer anymore. I want to be unclockable, 0:16:01.360 --> 0:16:03.080 and I want to be a hetero woman. I want 0:16:03.080 --> 0:16:06.640 to be stealth. So that was really the only time 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:10.760 when I ever even flirted with the idea of heterosexuality, 0:16:10.800 --> 0:16:14.560 which is, let's say this a disease, A disease one 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:18.720 hundred percent, an epidemic that has become now a national problem, 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:23.040 an international problem, the international implications of it, an international 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:25.800 problem that we are remedying in real time. 0:16:26.080 --> 0:16:26.960 I feel like there are. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.920 Fewer and fewer heterosexuals in the population thanks to the 0:16:29.960 --> 0:16:32.800 work that we have done on this podcast, and one 0:16:32.880 --> 0:16:34.280 day it will be eradicated. 0:16:34.360 --> 0:16:35.120 Yeah, one day. 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.040 And honestly, I'm okay not to start here, but because 0:16:38.080 --> 0:16:41.960 you were talking about it, like the notion of heterosexuality 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.640 as like a trans girl or trans guy, and how 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.760 it is kind of this upper echelon of achievement where 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.840 the ultimate fantasy if you're adult is to be in 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:58.440 a relationship with a heterosexual man, Like that is still 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:03.040 a pinnacle that people that people want to achieve, like 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.080 something that I would even fantasize about. 0:17:06.800 --> 0:17:10.480 And yet I don't know a single trans person. 0:17:10.280 --> 0:17:13.119 That would ever identify as straight, ever, even if they 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:16.280 were technically in a quote unquote straight relationship, Like I 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:18.879 don't know any queer women or men. I don't know 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.720 any trans women or men that are like I'm straight, Like, 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.520 never heard that before in my life. I'm I've heard 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:32.679 people say it jokingly. Yeah, and maybe somewhat aspirationally, but 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:36.480 never like said it in a way where they're like, 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:38.760 this is my reality and thank God for that. But 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:41.520 I'm sure they exist. Yeah, I'm sure they exist. And 0:17:41.560 --> 0:17:43.560 like that's the other thing is like I feel like 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:46.639 this is just my experience. I feel like this is 0:17:46.680 --> 0:17:50.719 also your opinion that if you're trans and you're in 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:55.280 a relationship that's a queer relationship period, Like that is 0:17:55.440 --> 0:17:58.840 kind of to me how I would function in any relationship. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:02.960 I do think the straightest relationship a transperson could be 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.359 in is a boy girl tea for tea couples is 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:08.000 a boy girl teav and that's maybe the straightest relationship 0:18:08.040 --> 0:18:11.560 that exists in the world because you have you have 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:17.200 tried so hard to achieve heterosexuality that it's more heterosexual 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:21.320 than just assists hetero couple. Yes, because you both in 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.439 your own ways have like assimilated in some I mean sorry, 0:18:25.480 --> 0:18:28.080 like medical transition is a kind of assimilation, whether we 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:29.080 want to admit it or not. 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:30.480 And in that kind of. 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:35.720 Assimilation, you've tried to maximize your own masculinity or feminity. 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:39.600 You are trying to execute on the most man or 0:18:39.680 --> 0:18:41.720 most woman you can be it's a hat on top 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:43.840 of the hat. Yes, And when you're most men and 0:18:43.880 --> 0:18:45.880 most women and you love each other. 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.280 That's heterosexuality. Baby is here. 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.879 We are making points, doing the real work on like 0:18:50.920 --> 0:18:56.199 a Virgin four twenty sixty nine period. I know so 0:18:56.760 --> 0:19:00.720 view straight people, and there was I even't talked to 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.600 a straight person in days. There was a period of 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:09.000 my life when I really did not interact to with 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:14.320 straight people for weeks, if not months at a time 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:19.160 outside of you know, maybe like the checkout person at 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:22.240 a bodega or like a waiter at a restaurant. Like 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:28.119 my social circle, romantic circle, everything was entirely queer people. 0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:35.320 And having to then start factoring straight people into my 0:19:35.400 --> 0:19:38.399 life on a day to day basis was extremely jarring 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:42.120 because sometimes I would say things and then realize, oh, 0:19:42.880 --> 0:19:46.080 that's something that this person would not understand, or like 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:49.200 I said something that's like just for us. 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.800 Inside jokey and not talking about callin Lord or whatever. 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:54.680 Yeah, and even now I don't have a lot of 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:59.360 straight friends. You know, I support their choices, but it's 0:19:59.600 --> 0:20:03.560 very weird when I really when I remember that someone 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:05.959 in my life who I love is straight. 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:10.399 Yeah, Yeah, I have like three straight friends. 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.800 I think maybe four. I used to have more, but 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:16.159 they've all transitioned or come out as queer. And I 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:19.120 I'm you know, but inclusion is really important. 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:19.320 Road it is. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:21.760 Yeah, I want to be an ally to the straight community. Well, 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.160 they're in dire need, they're in pain, they're in pain, 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.679 they're living a live. I mean, look at the news 0:20:27.760 --> 0:20:33.040 right now, do you like, come on, aliens, Lizzo. I 0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:37.600 mean also, like in twenty twenty three, being straight is 0:20:37.680 --> 0:20:38.600 such a choice. 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:40.080 It is, it is. 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:42.960 Their lifestyle is sick and twisted. It's like and I 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:47.400 just like, grow up, grow up, grow up, eat pussy, 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:51.240 suck dick, grow up or whole or whatever. Then you know, 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.080 you're a non specific gender term. 0:20:53.960 --> 0:20:55.919 Whatever your non specific orifice is. 0:20:56.359 --> 0:21:01.119 But it's I, you know, like I live so we 0:21:01.200 --> 0:21:03.920 as we talked about on our fan fiction episode with 0:21:04.000 --> 0:21:07.800 Ashley Reese, fan fiction is sort of the one sphere 0:21:08.240 --> 0:21:13.480 in which heterosexuality is in the minority. And I have 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.000 really applied that to my life. And I do think 0:21:16.200 --> 0:21:19.639 as we you know, progress as a as a modern society, 0:21:21.560 --> 0:21:24.199 that will only become true or and truer in the 0:21:24.240 --> 0:21:26.359 world at large. And like, yes, I'm saying that in 0:21:26.400 --> 0:21:29.080 a somewhat joking way, but like I also do believe 0:21:29.200 --> 0:21:32.439 that like the future is queer, Like I want to 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:36.640 kill myself, but like, but I do think that in well, 0:21:36.720 --> 0:21:38.280 I mean, I was gonna say, in a hundred years, 0:21:38.320 --> 0:21:40.280 everyone will be queer, but like in one hundred years 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:42.560 this planet won't exist. But in one hundred years, like 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:47.679 the aliens who have you know, sort of like absorbed 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:54.800 some of our like society through watching it from their spaceships, 0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:55.919 like they will all be queer. 0:21:56.000 --> 0:21:57.280 Oh yeah, one hundred percent. 0:21:57.440 --> 0:22:00.160 And in my mind, and I hope soon and everybody 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:05.439 else's mind gay until proven heterosexual, I will assume like 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:11.160 and honestly tangentially trans until provences like I and anybody 0:22:11.240 --> 0:22:14.960 I speak to or or interact with. That's how I operate, 0:22:15.040 --> 0:22:17.080 and I do. I mean not to be the girl 0:22:17.640 --> 0:22:20.560 on the pod with the data, but like so many 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:22.440 different studies, that's who you are, that's who I am, 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:25.080 but so many different palls. We don't know if the 0:22:25.160 --> 0:22:27.280 data is correct, but we know, you know. That is 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:29.800 the thing about queer trands data is that it is 0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:32.720 like heavily skewed and also using like way smaller sample 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.240 groups than they should. However, there have been enough studies 0:22:35.280 --> 0:22:39.159 to show that you know, as much as half of 0:22:39.280 --> 0:22:43.040 gen Z identifies as something other than straight, that at 0:22:43.080 --> 0:22:45.760 least a third of them knows someone trans or someone 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:49.760 that uses the them pronouns, and just as much a 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:54.600 sizable chunk of them are people that have this fluency 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:59.479 or knowledge or wherewithal about trans people and queer people 0:22:59.760 --> 0:23:01.679 and way that we never had access to. 0:23:02.000 --> 0:23:03.680 And we're on the winning team. 0:23:03.880 --> 0:23:07.280 Sorry. So like when gen Z like mushrooms and becomes 0:23:07.320 --> 0:23:09.960 the purchasing power and the people that make the decisions, 0:23:10.040 --> 0:23:12.320 like all these dinosaurs are just gonna go to bed. 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:14.600 I mean, I look at the sample of just my 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:20.280 own family and of my mother's for children, three of 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:23.359 us are queer. Yeah, and the there is one straight 0:23:23.359 --> 0:23:27.200 one and he is like the straightest person ever. 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:28.560 Right, but that's just data. 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:33.960 But he's still in the minority, right And yes, And 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:36.879 I won't stop until all straight people are dead. I 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:41.000 won't stop tell all my siblings are transitioned and gay. 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.000 I yeah, no, it's true. 0:23:44.040 --> 0:23:47.040 It's it's something that I honestly, I almost feel like 0:23:47.080 --> 0:23:54.240 the democratization of like queer identities and knowledge around queer 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:59.680 people has almost emboldened the wrong people sometimes, like I mean, well, 0:23:59.880 --> 0:24:04.480 I feel like there are certain people that will say 0:24:04.520 --> 0:24:07.639 that their gender is fluid, or that they are non binary, 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:10.800 or that they will use quote unquote any pronouns, but 0:24:10.840 --> 0:24:14.840 they are, for put, in any other terms, a heterosexual 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:19.560 in a heterosexual relationship with heterosexual communities in a heterosexual world. 0:24:20.240 --> 0:24:23.600 But the effort for these people to open up about 0:24:23.600 --> 0:24:27.720 their gender, which is obviously different from orientation, inducts them 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:30.240 into a kind of queer community that they then get 0:24:30.240 --> 0:24:34.359 to belong to without any fluency or practice in But 0:24:34.600 --> 0:24:36.720 you know, it's like they're trying to do something good. 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:41.000 And if we're thinking about either gender liberation or sexual liberation, yes, 0:24:41.080 --> 0:24:44.040 the goal is for as many people as possible to 0:24:44.040 --> 0:24:48.720 be a part of the thing that we are, but 0:24:48.720 --> 0:24:51.840 it also creates people that talk a lot and take 0:24:51.920 --> 0:24:54.600 up a lot of space. This is actually making me 0:24:54.640 --> 0:24:59.399 think think about something that's quite relevant, which is heterosexuals 0:24:59.760 --> 0:25:03.600 that were briefly gay or by in media before deciding 0:25:03.640 --> 0:25:07.439 they weren't anymore, which included aforementioned Lizzo, who used to 0:25:07.480 --> 0:25:10.800 identify as by or sexually fluid and now identifies. 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:10.879 As an ally. 0:25:11.040 --> 0:25:15.520 So did Nicki Minaj, Yes, Nicki Minaj famously, Katie Perry famously. 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.760 I would say Gaga, though you and I disagree about this, well, 0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:22.479 I don't agree. Gaga has never walked back her bisexuality, however, 0:25:22.520 --> 0:25:26.880 and we identify as an ally. Sure, but no, you're 0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:29.439 right she I think she is a queer woman. I 0:25:29.480 --> 0:25:33.080 just think she won't use the words queer to describe 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:35.080 herself as it is as a PR truly the least 0:25:35.119 --> 0:25:38.919 of her problems and my problems with her. Yeah, agreed, agreed, 0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:41.199 but it is. I'm only pointing it out because it's 0:25:41.320 --> 0:25:44.439 kind of crazy, like it is actually a thing. Like 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:47.240 people will be by for like a year or less, 0:25:47.280 --> 0:25:49.560 and then all of a sudden they get bigger, and 0:25:49.560 --> 0:25:54.040 then their PR machines and management and like people convince 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.840 them to go back in almost not go back in 0:25:56.880 --> 0:25:59.120 the closet, and in a Jesse j kind of way, 0:25:59.160 --> 0:26:00.760 like being by was a fan is kind of way, 0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.800 but like definitely in a way that feels palpable where 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:08.639 they've pivoted specifically to ally. Well, queerness is a marketing tool, 0:26:08.720 --> 0:26:11.800 and a lot of these who say that female pop 0:26:11.800 --> 0:26:19.000 stars specifically understand that if they can, you know, find 0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:22.320 a gay audience who will evangelize them, it will lead 0:26:22.440 --> 0:26:27.720 to mainstream success. But then once they acquire that mainstream success, 0:26:28.320 --> 0:26:33.320 it's no longer advantageous for them to be publicly queer, 0:26:33.680 --> 0:26:38.959 or they maybe become scared of getting canceled, or you know, 0:26:39.560 --> 0:26:43.560 are worried about having to prove their queerness right, which 0:26:43.560 --> 0:26:45.960 they shouldn't have to. I think that there's something really 0:26:46.720 --> 0:26:49.600 rotted about the coming out industrial complex and what it's 0:26:49.640 --> 0:26:54.080 done to celebrities that are still trapped in the closet, 0:26:54.119 --> 0:26:55.600 because we know of a lot of A listers that 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:57.680 are still trapped in the closet because Hollywood is still 0:26:57.720 --> 0:27:03.720 like a very bizarrely homophobic industry, homophobic and transphobic industry. 0:27:03.760 --> 0:27:07.040 But yeah, on the flip side of what you're talking about, 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.520 not like emerging artists like you know who are making 0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:13.080 who are then making it big, people who are already 0:27:13.119 --> 0:27:15.720 big and trying to capitalize life a quernas, whether it's 0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:19.880 Lizo's Everybody's gay or sorry to name names, you need 0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:22.480 to calm down. By Taylor Swift, like the moment of 0:27:22.520 --> 0:27:27.240 alship that was that music video, and I think, but 0:27:27.280 --> 0:27:29.000 I thought you were convinced Taylor Swift was the white 0:27:29.040 --> 0:27:31.680 actual woman. No, I don't know if I mean I 0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:36.840 I think she is deeply, deeply repressed. I think she's 0:27:36.840 --> 0:27:40.120 a deeply repressed by woman. Yes, I think I think 0:27:40.160 --> 0:27:43.560 that that is the tea. But I don't really consider 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:45.960 her queer. I don't think she's living a queer life. 0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:49.359 I don't think she has any fluency in queer people. 0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.440 But also a very straight life. But I also feel 0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:54.679 salty about the fact that, like she only did this 0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:59.119 whole ally thing, and also I like voiced her opposition 0:27:59.160 --> 0:28:01.000 to Trump the day but for or day after A 0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:06.160 Lover came out. And also Jenelle Money came out as 0:28:06.320 --> 0:28:09.760 queer as pan sexual the day before her album came out, 0:28:10.000 --> 0:28:12.480 and then she came out as a non binary the 0:28:12.560 --> 0:28:16.679 day before her memoir dropped, literally the day before. On 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.560 both accounts, I was like, you should get your coin, 0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:24.200 you should cash those chips, you should capitalize on queerness 0:28:24.320 --> 0:28:26.040 to get a hat in the industry. I'm a one 0:28:26.080 --> 0:28:29.200 hundred percent proponent for that, But why do you gotta 0:28:29.280 --> 0:28:30.960 do it the day before? 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.560 Like that's so dick to me. 0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:37.359 Sorry, I love I like drove four and a half 0:28:37.400 --> 0:28:39.920 hours to see Jenell Monee open for of Montreal like 0:28:40.000 --> 0:28:42.880 way back when, Like I'm an og Jenelle mone standstand 0:28:42.960 --> 0:29:09.920 like tightrope Paris stand. Okay, we're I think we're straying 0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:13.840 a little far from the discussion of heterosexualney, straying from 0:29:13.920 --> 0:29:19.520 what everything's heterosexual? Okay, but what what specifically is heterosexual? 0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:21.160 What do you think? What do you think are some 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:24.200 of the straightest things that exist in the world. Okay, 0:29:24.320 --> 0:29:27.840 Honda Civics. I used to have a Honda Civic in 0:29:27.920 --> 0:29:31.000 high school. Whoa I had to Honda Civics actually because 0:29:31.000 --> 0:29:36.440 I crashed one of them. Love heterouality, John Deere, cracker barrel, 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:44.520 arguing in public, women not getting off, Yeah, those are 0:29:44.520 --> 0:29:48.160 something spending something back at a restaurant. No, that's that's 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.440 just like bitch behavior. I feel like I would do 0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:51.720 that if I was displeased. 0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:53.200 Okay, what about you? 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:58.360 What do I think Florida straight? 0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:00.400 The entire state of Florida. 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:05.560 Yeah, No, I wouldn't say that. Actually, I would say 0:30:05.600 --> 0:30:08.480 more so the state of New Jersey. 0:30:08.720 --> 0:30:11.240 New Jerseys culture. 0:30:13.120 --> 0:30:14.520 Three ring binders. 0:30:14.720 --> 0:30:17.280 Three ring binders. That's good, that's good. That's good. 0:30:17.640 --> 0:30:21.160 Mechanical pencils oh, filling out forms the government. 0:30:22.480 --> 0:30:27.600 Sure, mechanical pencils. That's funny. 0:30:27.680 --> 0:30:32.760 My space, Oh, my space. Yeah, that actually is true 0:30:32.760 --> 0:30:36.800 despite it being such like a emo platform. Yeah, because 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:41.360 it's sort of like it's giving an appearance of you know, 0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:45.000 like counter culture, but actually like is not in any 0:30:45.000 --> 0:30:53.160 way that that what celebrities are deeply heterosexual culture. Uh. 0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:59.440 Bruce Springsteen maybe maybe the straightest musical artist, but like 0:31:00.080 --> 0:31:04.080 two straight people is a diva? Like is a diva 0:31:04.320 --> 0:31:07.920 for my mom? Who? Right, well, well my mom's not 0:31:08.000 --> 0:31:12.200 straight kind of for straight people. Yes, I would say 0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:17.720 almost the entire cast of Friends is heterosexual culture, except Lizakutro. Yeah, 0:31:17.760 --> 0:31:22.760 I was gonna say exceptly Secudro. I would say, I mean, 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:26.280 you've theorized that Kaylee Quoco is the sissist person. 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.960 Yeah, I believe you said Kaylee Cuoco? Is it? Kaylee Kuoko. 0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:35.200 Her stands are called Cuoca nuts, Quoca nuts. Yeah, that 0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:39.680 Quoka nuts and their god kay Lee Quoco. The Big 0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.560 Bang theory the TV show, but also the actual theory 0:31:43.600 --> 0:31:45.840 I think is very straight. I think I was gonna 0:31:45.840 --> 0:31:48.080 say Avatar, but you'll find me the atom bomb. No, 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.040 I was gonna say that well, definitely, the atom Bob 0:31:50.080 --> 0:31:52.920 is very heterosexual. I don't know. I saw Oppenheimer. I 0:31:52.920 --> 0:31:55.480 think it's very queer. Phoebe, do you have any things 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:57.560 that you think are really straight? War? 0:31:58.320 --> 0:31:59.120 War is straight. 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:02.760 War is straight, but it's also homo erotic. Well being 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:06.240 drafted into the thing is so many things that are 0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:11.920 extremely heterosexual swing so far back that they wind up 0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:18.160 being incredibly gay. Greece Dave Matthews Band. 0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:21.920 Good answer. I think I guess Greece the musical is 0:32:21.960 --> 0:32:23.760 a very good example of that thing. You're talking about. 0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:29.240 Something that's something that's so heterosexual that swings back to 0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:32.280 me actually gay, Like Sandy and what's his face? 0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:33.800 Are in a gay relationship? 0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:37.280 Yeah? Period, Well, actually I think they're in a tea 0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:38.160 fort relationship. 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:41.600 Shut up, they are, they really are. Oh my god, 0:32:42.000 --> 0:32:46.000 they really are. Neo classical architecture. 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:50.640 What is neoclassical architecture? Can you give me an example 0:32:50.800 --> 0:32:54.160 of columns? Well, Greece is very gay, though, yeah, but 0:32:54.320 --> 0:32:58.000 Rome is very straight. Okay, So Phoebe says war is 0:32:58.240 --> 0:33:01.760 very straight. But all so we're positing that it is 0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:03.800 in fact very gay, or in fact or at the 0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:07.960 very least that getting drafted into the war is very gay. 0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:10.840 And I will say getting drafted into the war was 0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:13.800 very easily my worst fear growing up as a kid, 0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:15.720 that what you were going to say was the worst 0:33:15.720 --> 0:33:17.880 thing that ever happened to me. Yeah, something that I 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:19.520 don't something for the visions that you don't know is 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:23.840 that I was in the military from age sixteen. I'm 0:33:23.920 --> 0:33:26.560 just imagining what that would have been like. And it's 0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:32.560 so funny. It's literally talking about serving your country. You know, well, 0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.400 I would be serving, honey, I was getting serving and 0:33:36.480 --> 0:33:41.920 servicing for sure. I it's like that Twitter serving impacted you. Yeah, 0:33:42.000 --> 0:33:42.880 let's ask her. 0:33:43.720 --> 0:33:45.200 But actually no. But like, I don't know if this 0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:45.680 is true for you. 0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:47.320 I feel like for a lot of people, people like 0:33:47.400 --> 0:33:50.959 and when I found out what the draft was and 0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.880 that people could be drafted, not in our country at 0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:55.840 the time, but like that people were talking about it 0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:58.960 when the Iraq war with Iraq war was popping off. 0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:02.280 What I remember being. 0:34:02.080 --> 0:34:05.080 Like, oh my god, being drafted into the military is 0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:07.720 the worst fear, and to the is my worst fear, 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:12.759 And to this day, I have sorry, no respect for anybody. 0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:13.239 In the military. 0:34:13.320 --> 0:34:15.879 I don't either. I think that it's a disgusting thing 0:34:15.920 --> 0:34:17.719 to sign up for, and that if you want to 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:19.480 be in the military or are in the military, you 0:34:19.480 --> 0:34:21.959 should reevaluate what goes inside inside. 0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:24.160 Your brain and what inside your ass or inside your ass. 0:34:24.200 --> 0:34:29.240 Polo shirts, polo specifically, are an extremely straight article of clothing, 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.520 and I have made my stance on them clear. I 0:34:31.560 --> 0:34:34.600 think they're disgusting and I don't respect anyone who wears them. 0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:36.680 I agree. I think anything that you can wear to 0:34:36.719 --> 0:34:40.279 Sunday school is heterosexual, and I say polo shirt. I 0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:43.840 agree with polo shirts full knowing that gaze that closeted 0:34:43.920 --> 0:34:47.680 gaye wore them all throughout the early the mid auts, 0:34:47.800 --> 0:34:50.520 you know, like even when gays are wearing them, they 0:34:50.520 --> 0:34:52.960 were doing it to partake in heterosexual culture and it 0:34:53.000 --> 0:34:53.719 never became gay. 0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:55.280 It was heterosexual assimilation. 0:34:55.520 --> 0:34:57.400 I was going to say, though, about being drafted in 0:34:57.440 --> 0:34:59.920 the army. I was never scared of it because I 0:35:00.000 --> 0:35:03.000 I always thought, well, if it happens, I'll just kill myself, right. Well, yeah, 0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:06.959 but that's my response to every anything potentially let's say, 0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.799 anything potentially bad that could happen to me. I'm just like, 0:35:10.120 --> 0:35:12.839 I'm like that because I just like cross I was like, fine, 0:35:12.840 --> 0:35:15.439 I'll just kill myself. Fine, I'll just kill myself. That's 0:35:15.440 --> 0:35:20.040 like your catchphrase on your sitcom. Fine, I'll just kill myself. Well, 0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:22.000 my sitcom is sort of like south Park, where like 0:35:22.080 --> 0:35:24.359 Kenny dies at the end of my episode. I kill 0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:26.200 myself at the end of every episode, but then it 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.360 resets at the next one. I am absolutely here for 0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:33.200 that to com. Let's actually say you and I are 0:35:33.280 --> 0:35:36.680 drafted into the military and you do not kill yourself. 0:35:36.920 --> 0:35:37.680 Would never happen. 0:35:38.640 --> 0:35:41.000 I'll play the game what would happen? 0:35:41.080 --> 0:35:41.680 What would happen? 0:35:42.640 --> 0:35:45.040 Then? I think if I would you, I think I 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:47.359 think I would work my way up into the ranks 0:35:47.440 --> 0:35:48.520 until I became a general. 0:35:48.680 --> 0:35:50.799 Yeah, because you would want to mistreat people and yell 0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:51.080 at them. 0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:52.920 Well, no, I think I would just like if if 0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:54.919 I had to be there, I would be really good 0:35:54.920 --> 0:35:55.160 at it. 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:56.960 Have to be the boss, I would probably be similar. 0:35:57.000 --> 0:35:58.120 I would need some sort of. 0:35:59.160 --> 0:36:03.040 Yeah Chelsea Chelsea banning. Yeah, I would leak information from 0:36:03.120 --> 0:36:06.480 inside for sure. I would actually probably become really like 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:13.440 patriotic pilled and would just like eventually like become a 0:36:13.480 --> 0:36:16.400 senator in another life, Like if I had been drafted 0:36:16.400 --> 0:36:19.440 into the military early early on, like when I was 0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:23.040 in my teens. I'm highly susceptible to cults. I absolutely 0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:24.960 would have we know, we do know that because I 0:36:25.080 --> 0:36:29.279 absolutely could have been and sexuality of cult, heterosexuality is 0:36:29.320 --> 0:36:30.640 a cult that you are inducted to. I think a 0:36:30.640 --> 0:36:32.400 lot of people don't realize this, that we are like 0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.640 forcibly pushed into heteroism. No, I mean heteros Like that's 0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:42.560 this is the thing. Like the you know, right wing media, 0:36:42.760 --> 0:36:46.640 they want to call us groomers, but the biggest groomers 0:36:46.640 --> 0:36:49.920 in the world are straight people, straight people, churches, the 0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:55.320 Disney Princess industrial complex, like any representation of like romance 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:59.879 in media before like twenty ten, Like it's all hed 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.879 sexual propaganda, as is the military and the government, and 0:37:04.040 --> 0:37:07.879 like you know, going stepping outside your door every day, 0:37:07.920 --> 0:37:10.560 Like what is the gayest place you've ever been to? 0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:12.279 Not the queerest place the. 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:19.080 Gang I know, Oh Disney, I mean Disney's fucking gay, 0:37:19.960 --> 0:37:22.640 Disneyland or Disney World is which is gay? 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:28.680 Disney World is gay, for sure, I mean I did that. Also, 0:37:28.760 --> 0:37:32.360 New Orleans, New Orleans is very gay, but also is 0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:33.040 very queer. 0:37:33.120 --> 0:37:35.319 It is pretty queer. There's a lot of counterculture there. 0:37:35.440 --> 0:37:38.600 New Orleans is very queer, Berlin is very gay. It's 0:37:38.800 --> 0:37:41.000 probably too easy to say that Fire Island is maybe 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.239 one of the gayest places I've ever been to, but 0:37:43.320 --> 0:37:46.040 I will say that, as I talked about recently on 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:49.600 the pod, the Joni Mitchell concert with like ten thousand 0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:53.840 other like lesbians for the Brandy Carlisle Festival was definitely 0:37:53.880 --> 0:37:55.759 probably the gayest place I've ever been to. What's the 0:37:55.800 --> 0:37:57.120 straightest place you've ever been? 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:00.879 I was a boy Scout for a while. 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:04.879 Isn't that? Isn't that kind of gay? Though it was 0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:07.440 at the time, I never saw it as homosocial. No, 0:38:07.600 --> 0:38:10.799 even though I did definitely meet my first boyfriend in 0:38:10.840 --> 0:38:13.920 boy Scouts, we didn't date until after. But no, there 0:38:13.920 --> 0:38:17.000 was nothing homosocial about it for me, though I do 0:38:17.120 --> 0:38:19.279 know that it can be homosocial. 0:38:18.680 --> 0:38:21.560 For some people. At the time, though, it was just. 0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:28.960 This this perfect crystallization of everything I hated about being 0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:32.560 a boy and everything I hated about being straight, all 0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:37.719 all compressed into weekly meetings and terrible camping trips that 0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:40.279 I dreaded every single time I would go to and 0:38:40.320 --> 0:38:43.040 subject myself to the things I despise the most. That 0:38:43.080 --> 0:38:47.640 are also pillars of heterosexual culture, which are manual labor, 0:38:48.800 --> 0:38:51.920 being in closed spaces with only boys. 0:38:51.520 --> 0:38:54.480 And they're all farting and burping, and. 0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:58.440 Organized group activities are very heterosexual. 0:38:58.600 --> 0:38:59.600 Yes, like done a certain way. 0:38:59.680 --> 0:39:03.920 Yes, like on on that in that vein not the 0:39:04.000 --> 0:39:07.839 place itself. But when I went on Birthright, yeah, that 0:39:08.160 --> 0:39:12.799 trip was maybe the straightest thing I've ever done because like, yes, 0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:15.759 I know that Israel is like tel Aviv is very 0:39:15.760 --> 0:39:19.239 gay blah blah blah, but the Birthright trip itself was 0:39:19.360 --> 0:39:24.719 very straight, and that the leaders of the trip literally 0:39:24.800 --> 0:39:29.440 try to pair the people on the trip up because 0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:32.680 they want to promote more Jewish babies. 0:39:32.640 --> 0:39:35.560 Right, they want to pair you off their matchmaking. 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:44.560 Yeah, way, that is heterosexual culture. Also Hasidic Williamsburg disobedience. 0:39:46.400 --> 0:39:51.719 That's heterosexuality. Lo like live laugh love, Oh, live laugh love. 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:52.520 Is very heterocyc. 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.120 But it's also been I mean, this is the thing 0:39:56.280 --> 0:39:59.799 about things that are like, yeah, so heterosexual is that 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.480 we have now elevated them to camp status. So in 0:40:03.520 --> 0:40:06.439 that way, we have reclaimed them as gay a little bit. 0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.799 The same thing with cracker Barrel. Honestly, yeah, I think 0:40:08.800 --> 0:40:11.360 cracker Barrel is very gay. Also, I love Chick fil A. 0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:15.520 I will fuck up some Chick fil A. Sorry, Like, now, 0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:17.520 what's the straightest fast food franchise? 0:40:18.280 --> 0:40:20.600 Burger King? Right, I was gonna say Burger King two. 0:40:20.920 --> 0:40:23.040 Gotta be Burger King. I mean they're okay. 0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:29.520 Actually there is also that era of Quiznos commercials. Nose 0:40:29.800 --> 0:40:33.880 is so straight and Subway is queer. 0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:36.359 Yeah, yeah, Phoebe's cracking up. 0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:39.040 What is the what the fuck is yogurt? 0:40:39.120 --> 0:40:40.760 Like it was a yogurt franchise? 0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:44.880 Okay, then then sixty sixteen Handles is gay? Well, then 0:40:45.040 --> 0:40:47.320 then I would say red Mango is queer, and I 0:40:47.360 --> 0:40:51.360 would say that nineteen Handles is gay and Coldstone is trans. Go, 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:55.959 because there's common the ice cream ice cream is gay, 0:40:56.160 --> 0:40:59.759 frozen yogurt is straight, frozen yogurt is straight, Gelato is 0:41:00.080 --> 0:41:06.480 hands Wait, let's do more of this. 0:41:06.600 --> 0:41:09.440 What Let's okay things that are gay and straight? 0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:10.120 Okay, So. 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.360 Katy Perry is straight, Lady Gaga is gay. 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:27.280 And the Army is straight. Okay, The Navy is gay 0:41:27.520 --> 0:41:34.120 for sure, NASA is treys period. 0:41:34.280 --> 0:41:35.359 Okay, Well, let's keep going. 0:41:35.520 --> 0:41:41.080 The Sun is straight, he Moon is gay, and Pluto 0:41:41.200 --> 0:41:44.120 is trans. You think the moon can feel the moon 0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:47.080 is trans. The moon feels like a woman, feels like 0:41:47.120 --> 0:41:48.440 a doll. The moon is trans. 0:41:48.440 --> 0:41:51.880 The moon is a doll. And I feel like, what's gay? 0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:52.560 Stars? 0:41:52.560 --> 0:41:57.880 Oh uranus, My god, we're still doing this. 0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:01.640 Let's keep going. I won't rest until everything has been labeled. 0:42:22.040 --> 0:42:25.040 I would say that coca cola is. 0:42:26.680 --> 0:42:26.960 Gay. 0:42:27.800 --> 0:42:30.919 No, no, Coca cola is straight. Diet coke is gay. 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:31.919 Die coca is gay. 0:42:32.040 --> 0:42:36.320 Coke zero is coke. Zero is trans because it's not pepsi. 0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:41.040 Pepsi is not trans. Pepsi is like bye maybe, but 0:42:41.160 --> 0:42:45.560 like you know, hot coffee is straight. Iced coffee is gay. 0:42:45.800 --> 0:42:49.400 Lattes are trans. Lattes are transfer. Sure have all that 0:42:49.440 --> 0:42:52.400 extra milk? Yeah, they're there. There, there are a crossing 0:42:52.520 --> 0:42:59.799 up across. Wait, you are nailing all of these. I 0:42:59.840 --> 0:43:03.080 have yet, I have no notes. I'm very smart. You 0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:06.680 are very smart. I am constantly saying that to you. 0:43:06.760 --> 0:43:07.680 Blood is gay. 0:43:07.719 --> 0:43:09.120 Blood is because. 0:43:08.920 --> 0:43:13.560 Aids, because aids, and because red because when red cross 0:43:13.680 --> 0:43:15.799 was like blood isn't gay, then the gays were like, 0:43:15.800 --> 0:43:18.640 blood is our thing. Now blood is gay. Blood is gay. 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:21.920 Skin is straight. Hair is trans. 0:43:22.160 --> 0:43:23.920 Hair, hair is trans. 0:43:23.960 --> 0:43:27.000 I was gonna say organs are trans, but I don't. 0:43:27.080 --> 0:43:31.600 I think organs are like kind of non gender specific. Okay, 0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:42.160 Calm is gay, spit is transs mucus is straight? Is 0:43:42.200 --> 0:43:44.480 well here's what wait this is This is a question 0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:49.160 for the group. Do straight people say calm? They say, 0:43:49.480 --> 0:43:51.520 is as we learned on and just like that, Oh 0:43:51.600 --> 0:43:54.439 my god, they say. They don't say like I'm gonna. 0:43:54.480 --> 0:43:56.600 But people will say like, I'm gonna calm. 0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:58.200 Like straight people will say I'm gonna. 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:01.440 Or do they know what they say, I'm gonna come, 0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:04.400 But I don't think they call it come like to 0:44:04.440 --> 0:44:05.600 them it's an action. 0:44:05.560 --> 0:44:09.839 Right, it's not. We're the ones that have said this. 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:10.799 Fluid is a noun. 0:44:10.960 --> 0:44:16.359 Nouns are straight nouns, adjectives are gay, verbs are trans. 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:18.480 I'm so good at this. 0:44:18.600 --> 0:44:20.600 I think verbs are Yeah. 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:22.200 You could say that one hundred percent because they have 0:44:22.200 --> 0:44:27.760 so many different forms. Yeah, ad verbs, et cetera. Water 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:36.400 is trans, Air is straight, Yeah, fire is gay. Fire 0:44:36.719 --> 0:44:41.000 is gay. Air is straight. Yeah, because it's like the thing. 0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:42.080 It's the thing. 0:44:43.080 --> 0:44:47.680 Yeah, it's the thing that everybody is like orbiting around air. Okay, 0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:50.839 so they don't call it come, but they they call 0:44:50.880 --> 0:44:52.919 it semen no, they call it jiz. 0:44:53.239 --> 0:44:56.520 They call it jees. That's so male. 0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.799 And straight people say, like, do girls say they're gonna like, 0:45:00.880 --> 0:45:04.520 oh my god, my jis is everywhere? No, right, like 0:45:04.760 --> 0:45:08.360 straight women don't talk about jis. Yeah, discharge. 0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:10.719 I feel like, yeah, I don't know. 0:45:10.760 --> 0:45:14.360 I I'm asking this honestly because I often I really 0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:21.520 have no view into what heterosexual cis, heterosexual sex looks 0:45:21.600 --> 0:45:27.000 like outside of media. I the the only straight people 0:45:27.040 --> 0:45:34.359 in my life really are straight women, and they are 0:45:36.800 --> 0:45:37.560 real people. 0:45:39.120 --> 0:45:40.560 It's important to include them. 0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:47.680 No, I mean, straight, straight straight women women are the 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:51.680 gaze of straight people, right, and it's it's your role 0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:54.960 as a straight woman, as a straight heterosexual woman is imporan, 0:45:55.080 --> 0:45:58.279 and we honor that straight women are queering what it 0:45:58.400 --> 0:46:03.439 means to be heterosexual. Okay, on that note of straight women, 0:46:03.600 --> 0:46:05.200 I have to say, and I hope this is a 0:46:05.239 --> 0:46:06.759 safe space to say, and I hope I can say 0:46:06.800 --> 0:46:10.120 it without sounding ignorant or like I'm making a blanket statement. 0:46:10.280 --> 0:46:13.440 But I you're going to do with all of that 0:46:13.640 --> 0:46:17.640 right now? I feel like when I watch porn with 0:46:18.000 --> 0:46:22.520 CIS women in it, it's very difficult for me to 0:46:25.000 --> 0:46:29.840 get turned on because because the straight male gaze is 0:46:29.880 --> 0:46:31.520 so present. We talked about this a little bit in 0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:36.760 our porn episode, and and you said very wisely to me, well, gay. 0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.680 Porn is through a male lens. 0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:41.040 Hello, And I feel like, as I've thought about that, 0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:45.239 it's like it is about the straight male lens as 0:46:45.280 --> 0:46:47.640 opposed to the gay male lens. As I was socialized 0:46:47.680 --> 0:46:48.960 and therefore I'm turned on by. 0:46:49.520 --> 0:46:51.440 But I also feel like I would love to be 0:46:51.440 --> 0:46:51.919 proven wrong. 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.320 And if anybody has some like queer porn that has 0:46:55.520 --> 0:46:59.400 CIS women in it, I would watch it. 0:46:59.440 --> 0:47:00.720 Is that an? Is that a crazy? 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:01.960 I just feel like a lot of times I don't 0:47:02.000 --> 0:47:03.520 think it's a crazy, but like watching it a lot 0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:06.520 of times. And then she's like aw, Like I'm it's 0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:07.520 just like I want to hear. 0:47:07.600 --> 0:47:08.800 I don't mind gooning. 0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:11.160 I love verbal sex, but there's like a kind of 0:47:11.280 --> 0:47:13.960 version of it that is so prevalent in only only 0:47:14.040 --> 0:47:18.239 fans content. Can Can you explain to me, I'm I'm 0:47:18.280 --> 0:47:21.680 being vulnerable by I'm being vulnerable right now. I don't 0:47:21.840 --> 0:47:22.880 know what gooning is. 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:24.600 Oh, I'm sorry. Gooning. 0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.480 This is an amazing thing to educate on on the 0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:31.319 podcast because it's not a very common term. Gooning is 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:34.560 when typically poor an actors, but sometimes just people in 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:39.799 your sex life are very much so overdoing their sexual 0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:43.719 noises and reactions to things, either because it turns them 0:47:43.760 --> 0:47:45.920 on or because it turns you on, or because they 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:48.680 don't even realize that they're doing it, or the performance. 0:47:48.880 --> 0:47:54.319 But it's that performance of oh yeah, it's like I 0:47:54.400 --> 0:47:56.600 know that, it doesn't feel like that, like I know, 0:47:56.920 --> 0:47:58.200 but it's but I'm glad you're. 0:47:58.000 --> 0:48:00.600 Doing it anyways. That's gooning. Thank you, You're welcome. 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:06.880 Hetero heterosexuality is goooning. I mean, I don't believe. I 0:48:06.880 --> 0:48:08.200 don't believe in heterosexuality. 0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.239 I think that is the bottom line. 0:48:10.239 --> 0:48:14.640 I think it is not like a fundamental truth of 0:48:14.680 --> 0:48:18.200 the universe. Yeah, it's not, and honestly, neither is queerness. 0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:20.160 And well, no that's not true. I do believe that. 0:48:21.000 --> 0:48:26.040 I mean, okay, okay, I agree heterosexuality is not a 0:48:26.080 --> 0:48:28.200 fundamental rule of the universe, which is how we have 0:48:28.280 --> 0:48:31.640 treated it an indoctrinated people into it globally. I mean, 0:48:31.680 --> 0:48:37.680 people think it is because of procreation, but I think 0:48:37.719 --> 0:48:41.040 that's bullshit. 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No, Hey, no straight? 0:50:42.160 --> 0:50:49.600 All Hey Tues Straight and now just a little clip 0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:53.480 of our discussion from this next week's Patreon with Laurel 0:50:53.600 --> 0:50:57.239 Charleston about Lon Rouge. For the full episode, you can 0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:01.400 become a patron at Patreon dot com slash Laura. Do 0:51:01.400 --> 0:51:03.000 you want to tell a friend which you told me? Yes? 0:51:03.040 --> 0:51:05.480 Okay, So, first of all, sat down watched this whole 0:51:05.480 --> 0:51:07.399 movie with you all, and at the end of the movie, 0:51:07.400 --> 0:51:09.480 I'm like, what the fuck did I just watch? I 0:51:09.520 --> 0:51:11.600 go home, I go to sleep, I wake up. I'm like, 0:51:11.800 --> 0:51:15.080 I don't remember anything from this movie, but I'm like, 0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.520 I was also stone, so let me rewatch it again. 0:51:17.800 --> 0:51:19.520 And then I'm rewatching it and I'm like, oh, I 0:51:19.560 --> 0:51:22.200 still have no idea what the fuck's going on in 0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:28.480 this movie. The editing is so maximalist and yes, wild 0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:30.839 and crazy. I know you all were saying it's one 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:33.359 of like five baz Lureaman movies he's ever made, right 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:33.840 or something. 0:51:33.960 --> 0:51:35.279 Yeah, it's part of. 0:51:35.200 --> 0:51:39.359 The trilogy wild. Yeah, it's incredibly frenetic. He I mean, 0:51:39.600 --> 0:51:43.720 it got even worse in Elvis, where it's like every 0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:48.520 second is a cut. It's like it's so over edited. 0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:52.880 In Mulan Rouge, it works. I don't think it worked 0:51:52.880 --> 0:51:56.920 in Elvis. I think Mulan Bruge is Mulin Rouge. And 0:51:57.000 --> 0:52:00.760 Romeo and Juliette to me, are like the the films 0:52:00.800 --> 0:52:05.960 in which his style and his creative impulses just work 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:10.720 the best because of the the text that they're applied to. 0:52:11.800 --> 0:52:15.759 And like the maximalist scenic design and the costume Maing 0:52:16.480 --> 0:52:18.360 is so costume incredible. 0:52:18.560 --> 0:52:22.800 That red dress that Nicole wears, oh, that she puts 0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:25.799 on like early in she literally puts it on for 0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:30.080 one scene and then immediately changes into a different costume. 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:32.960 I'm pretty sure that the diamond necklace they put on 0:52:33.000 --> 0:52:36.080 her in that sequence towards the end what like broke 0:52:36.200 --> 0:52:39.440 some sort of Hollywood record for like most expensive, like costume, 0:52:39.520 --> 0:52:42.200 jewelry or something at the time, like, well, she is 0:52:42.280 --> 0:52:45.799 the spark wing diamond, the spark wing Diamond. She's so 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:49.719 beautiful in this movie. Uh the mug, I mean red. 0:52:50.239 --> 0:52:54.399 The makeup's great, the make the hair color. No one 0:52:54.520 --> 0:52:57.640 has ever been more of a redhead than Nicole Kidman 0:52:57.680 --> 0:52:59.960 was in Mulan Red with her make with her make 0:53:00.080 --> 0:53:02.279 up and her hair, she's like so white, she's look 0:53:02.440 --> 0:53:03.160 she looks blue. 0:53:03.200 --> 0:53:04.680 She's wearing like ben Ny clowns. 0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:08.520 No, the makeup is great, even like I love as 0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:10.880 a makeup artist watching movies and being like, why is 0:53:10.880 --> 0:53:13.319 she still panted? Literally, she's like sick, like are dying 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:16.760 at one point in bed smoky eye, lash on brow 0:53:16.840 --> 0:53:20.839 on her ripcun blushed, bronze contoured. I mean like, I'm like, 0:53:21.000 --> 0:53:22.680 this girl's dying and she's starving. 0:53:22.760 --> 0:53:25.920 Cut. She's dying but I'm living. 0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:28.640 But she that is live, dyed, served cut. 0:53:28.719 --> 0:53:31.359 Yeah. Yeah, it's great. It's so good. Yeah. 0:53:31.480 --> 0:53:34.040 No, her makeup is honestly fantastic about the whole thing. 0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:38.560 And she has just like thin, like really long brow and. 0:53:38.440 --> 0:53:40.160 It just it just really works for her. 0:53:40.360 --> 0:53:43.160 Yeah, I think it's great. It's a very early two 0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:44.600 thousand's brow. 0:53:44.719 --> 0:53:45.640 Yeah, no one, it. 0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:49.880 Looks that's Oh, she's a beautiful face. She's just so gorgeous. 0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:52.640 Also, she always has her clavical and duck letange out 0:53:52.680 --> 0:53:55.879 and it's always dyed and gorgeous, and she's so like. 0:53:55.880 --> 0:53:58.040 Well, she has a cordison, you know, she's got to 0:53:58.120 --> 0:54:01.319 show off the merchandise. That is something that is like 0:54:01.680 --> 0:54:04.879 somewhat I guess, kind of radical, like for the time 0:54:04.920 --> 0:54:07.719 in which this movie was taking place, where it's you know, 0:54:07.880 --> 0:54:12.080 this epic love story about a hook girl, about a. 0:54:12.040 --> 0:54:15.600 Little sex worker. Yeah, who's keeping the lights on for 0:54:15.719 --> 0:54:19.279 this entire theatrical establishment, like you know, been there. 0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:23.520 She's taking one for the team, for sure. She's taking 0:54:23.719 --> 0:54:24.680 several for the team. 0:54:25.400 --> 0:54:27.160 She's taking loads and keeping the lights on. 0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:31.880 Okay, she's taking loads and keeping the the you know, 0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:32.880 gas lamps lit. 0:54:32.960 --> 0:54:34.959 She has to suck off the conad man every week, 0:54:35.040 --> 0:54:36.279 but they keep it. 0:54:37.040 --> 0:54:41.160 They and she's dying of consumption, which I guess is 0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:46.560 like tis yeah, you just kind of you just kind 0:54:46.560 --> 0:54:51.359 of cough and look very like Wan and faint and 0:54:51.400 --> 0:54:55.560 then die. You would think that Baz Luhrmann invented the 0:54:55.640 --> 0:55:00.840 cinematic trope of you cough cough into an napkin and 0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:02.719 there's a tiny spot of blood, and you're like, oh, 0:55:02.760 --> 0:55:05.120 this character is going to die, but you still serve 0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:08.440 kunt until the absolute second of your death. It doesn't, 0:55:08.640 --> 0:55:12.799 it doesn't, It doesn't deplete your looks at all. But yeah, like, 0:55:12.880 --> 0:55:15.880 you know, you have to slay until you're dying breath, 0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:19.280 and she did. She literally walked so President Snow could run. 0:55:20.880 --> 0:55:21.680 Because you know he would. 0:55:21.719 --> 0:55:24.240 He was like, and there's like a little bit of blood, 0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:27.000 a little more cock. 0:55:27.080 --> 0:55:27.560 Shuck up.