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Speaker 1: Welcome to Like a Virgin, the show where we give

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Speaker 1: yesterday's pop culture. Today's takes Arma's Damu.

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Speaker 1: all about something truly sinister and sickening. That is a

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Speaker 1: And oh, make sure that you subscribe to the patriotic

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Speaker 1: but like definitely in a way that feels palpable where

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00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 1: they've pivoted specifically to ally. Well, queerness is a marketing tool,

434
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: and a lot of these who say that female pop

435
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: stars specifically understand that if they can, you know, find

436
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: a gay audience who will evangelize them, it will lead

437
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 1: to mainstream success. But then once they acquire that mainstream success,

438
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: it's no longer advantageous for them to be publicly queer,

439
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:38,959
Speaker 1: or they maybe become scared of getting canceled, or you know,

440
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: are worried about having to prove their queerness right, which

441
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,960
Speaker 1: they shouldn't have to. I think that there's something really

442
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: rotted about the coming out industrial complex and what it's

443
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 1: done to celebrities that are still trapped in the closet,

444
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 1: because we know of a lot of A listers that

445
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: are still trapped in the closet because Hollywood is still

446
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: like a very bizarrely homophobic industry, homophobic and transphobic industry.

447
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 1: But yeah, on the flip side of what you're talking about,

448
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: not like emerging artists like you know who are making

449
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: who are then making it big, people who are already

450
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: big and trying to capitalize life a quernas, whether it's

451
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: Lizo's Everybody's gay or sorry to name names, you need

452
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 1: to calm down. By Taylor Swift, like the moment of

453
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: alship that was that music video, and I think, but

454
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: I thought you were convinced Taylor Swift was the white

455
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: actual woman. No, I don't know if I mean I

456
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: I think she is deeply, deeply repressed. I think she's

457
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,120
Speaker 1: a deeply repressed by woman. Yes, I think I think

458
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: that that is the tea. But I don't really consider

459
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 1: her queer. I don't think she's living a queer life.

460
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: I don't think she has any fluency in queer people.

461
00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: But also a very straight life. But I also feel

462
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: salty about the fact that, like she only did this

463
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,119
Speaker 1: whole ally thing, and also I like voiced her opposition

464
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 1: to Trump the day but for or day after A

465
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:06,160
Speaker 1: Lover came out. And also Jenelle Money came out as

466
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,760
Speaker 1: queer as pan sexual the day before her album came out,

467
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: and then she came out as a non binary the

468
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,679
Speaker 1: day before her memoir dropped, literally the day before. On

469
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: both accounts, I was like, you should get your coin,

470
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 1: you should cash those chips, you should capitalize on queerness

471
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 1: to get a hat in the industry. I'm a one

472
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: hundred percent proponent for that, But why do you gotta

473
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: do it the day before?

474
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,560
Speaker 2: Like that's so dick to me.

475
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: Sorry, I love I like drove four and a half

476
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: hours to see Jenell Monee open for of Montreal like

477
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: way back when, Like I'm an og Jenelle mone standstand

478
00:28:42,960 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: like tightrope Paris stand. Okay, we're I think we're straying

479
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: a little far from the discussion of heterosexualney, straying from

480
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 1: what everything's heterosexual? Okay, but what what specifically is heterosexual?

481
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:21,160
Speaker 1: What do you think? What do you think are some

482
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: of the straightest things that exist in the world. Okay,

483
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: Honda Civics. I used to have a Honda Civic in

484
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 1: high school. Whoa I had to Honda Civics actually because

485
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: I crashed one of them. Love heterouality, John Deere, cracker barrel,

486
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: arguing in public, women not getting off, Yeah, those are

487
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: something spending something back at a restaurant. No, that's that's

488
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: just like bitch behavior. I feel like I would do

489
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: that if I was displeased.

490
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: Okay, what about you?

491
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: What do I think Florida straight?

492
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: The entire state of Florida.

493
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I wouldn't say that. Actually, I would say

494
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: more so the state of New Jersey.

495
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 2: New Jerseys culture.

496
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: Three ring binders.

497
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 2: Three ring binders. That's good, that's good. That's good.

498
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: Mechanical pencils oh, filling out forms the government.

499
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: Sure, mechanical pencils. That's funny.

500
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: My space, Oh, my space. Yeah, that actually is true

501
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: despite it being such like a emo platform. Yeah, because

502
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: it's sort of like it's giving an appearance of you know,

503
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: like counter culture, but actually like is not in any

504
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: way that that what celebrities are deeply heterosexual culture. Uh.

505
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 1: Bruce Springsteen maybe maybe the straightest musical artist, but like

506
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: two straight people is a diva? Like is a diva

507
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: for my mom? Who? Right, well, well my mom's not

508
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: straight kind of for straight people. Yes, I would say

509
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: almost the entire cast of Friends is heterosexual culture, except Lizakutro. Yeah,

510
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna say exceptly Secudro. I would say, I mean,

511
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: you've theorized that Kaylee Quoco is the sissist person.

512
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe you said Kaylee Cuoco? Is it? Kaylee Kuoko.

513
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 1: Her stands are called Cuoca nuts, Quoca nuts. Yeah, that

514
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: Quoka nuts and their god kay Lee Quoco. The Big

515
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: Bang theory the TV show, but also the actual theory

516
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: I think is very straight. I think I was gonna

517
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: say Avatar, but you'll find me the atom bomb. No,

518
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: I was gonna say that well, definitely, the atom Bob

519
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 1: is very heterosexual. I don't know. I saw Oppenheimer. I

520
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: think it's very queer. Phoebe, do you have any things

521
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 1: that you think are really straight? War?

522
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: War is straight.

523
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 1: War is straight, but it's also homo erotic. Well being

524
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,240
Speaker 1: drafted into the thing is so many things that are

525
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: extremely heterosexual swing so far back that they wind up

526
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: being incredibly gay. Greece Dave Matthews Band.

527
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: Good answer. I think I guess Greece the musical is

528
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: a very good example of that thing. You're talking about.

529
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: Something that's something that's so heterosexual that swings back to

530
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: me actually gay, Like Sandy and what's his face?

531
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: Are in a gay relationship?

532
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,280
Speaker 1: Yeah? Period, Well, actually I think they're in a tea

533
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 1: fort relationship.

534
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: Shut up, they are, they really are. Oh my god,

535
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: they really are. Neo classical architecture.

536
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: What is neoclassical architecture? Can you give me an example

537
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: of columns? Well, Greece is very gay, though, yeah, but

538
00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: Rome is very straight. Okay, So Phoebe says war is

539
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 1: very straight. But all so we're positing that it is

540
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 1: in fact very gay, or in fact or at the

541
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:07,960
Speaker 1: very least that getting drafted into the war is very gay.

542
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: And I will say getting drafted into the war was

543
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: very easily my worst fear growing up as a kid,

544
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 1: that what you were going to say was the worst

545
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: thing that ever happened to me. Yeah, something that I

546
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: don't something for the visions that you don't know is

547
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: that I was in the military from age sixteen. I'm

548
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 1: just imagining what that would have been like. And it's

549
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: so funny. It's literally talking about serving your country. You know, well,

550
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: I would be serving, honey, I was getting serving and

551
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: servicing for sure. I it's like that Twitter serving impacted you. Yeah,

552
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 1: let's ask her.

553
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: But actually no. But like, I don't know if this

554
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 2: is true for you.

555
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 1: I feel like for a lot of people, people like

556
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,959
Speaker 1: and when I found out what the draft was and

557
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: that people could be drafted, not in our country at

558
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: the time, but like that people were talking about it

559
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: when the Iraq war with Iraq war was popping off.

560
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: What I remember being.

561
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: Like, oh my god, being drafted into the military is

562
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 1: the worst fear, and to the is my worst fear,

563
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,759
Speaker 1: And to this day, I have sorry, no respect for anybody.

564
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: In the military.

565
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,879
Speaker 1: I don't either. I think that it's a disgusting thing

566
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 1: to sign up for, and that if you want to

567
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 1: be in the military or are in the military, you

568
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:21,959
Speaker 1: should reevaluate what goes inside inside.

569
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: Your brain and what inside your ass or inside your ass.

570
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: Polo shirts, polo specifically, are an extremely straight article of clothing,

571
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: and I have made my stance on them clear. I

572
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: think they're disgusting and I don't respect anyone who wears them.

573
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: I agree. I think anything that you can wear to

574
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: Sunday school is heterosexual, and I say polo shirt. I

575
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 1: agree with polo shirts full knowing that gaze that closeted

576
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: gaye wore them all throughout the early the mid auts,

577
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 1: you know, like even when gays are wearing them, they

578
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 1: were doing it to partake in heterosexual culture and it

579
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: never became gay.

580
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 2: It was heterosexual assimilation.

581
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: I was going to say, though, about being drafted in

582
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: the army. I was never scared of it because I

583
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: I always thought, well, if it happens, I'll just kill myself, right. Well, yeah,

584
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,959
Speaker 1: but that's my response to every anything potentially let's say,

585
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: anything potentially bad that could happen to me. I'm just like,

586
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,839
Speaker 1: I'm like that because I just like cross I was like, fine,

587
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,439
Speaker 1: I'll just kill myself. Fine, I'll just kill myself. That's

588
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 1: like your catchphrase on your sitcom. Fine, I'll just kill myself. Well,

589
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: my sitcom is sort of like south Park, where like

590
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: Kenny dies at the end of my episode. I kill

591
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: myself at the end of every episode, but then it

592
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: resets at the next one. I am absolutely here for

593
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: that to com. Let's actually say you and I are

594
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: drafted into the military and you do not kill yourself.

595
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 2: Would never happen.

596
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: I'll play the game what would happen?

597
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 2: What would happen?

598
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: Then? I think if I would you, I think I

599
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 1: think I would work my way up into the ranks

600
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: until I became a general.

601
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, because you would want to mistreat people and yell

602
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 2: at them.

603
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think I would just like if if

604
00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 1: I had to be there, I would be really good

605
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: at it.

606
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 2: Have to be the boss, I would probably be similar.

607
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: I would need some sort of.

608
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah Chelsea Chelsea banning. Yeah, I would leak information from

609
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: inside for sure. I would actually probably become really like

610
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: patriotic pilled and would just like eventually like become a

611
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 1: senator in another life, Like if I had been drafted

612
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: into the military early early on, like when I was

613
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 1: in my teens. I'm highly susceptible to cults. I absolutely

614
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: would have we know, we do know that because I

615
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 1: absolutely could have been and sexuality of cult, heterosexuality is

616
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: a cult that you are inducted to. I think a

617
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: lot of people don't realize this, that we are like

618
00:36:32,960 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: forcibly pushed into heteroism. No, I mean heteros Like that's

619
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: this is the thing. Like the you know, right wing media,

620
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: they want to call us groomers, but the biggest groomers

621
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,920
Speaker 1: in the world are straight people, straight people, churches, the

622
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: Disney Princess industrial complex, like any representation of like romance

623
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: in media before like twenty ten, Like it's all hed

624
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: sexual propaganda, as is the military and the government, and

625
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,879
Speaker 1: like you know, going stepping outside your door every day,

626
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: Like what is the gayest place you've ever been to?

627
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: Not the queerest place the.

628
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:19,080
Speaker 3: Gang I know, Oh Disney, I mean Disney's fucking gay,

629
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 3: Disneyland or Disney World is which is gay?

630
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: Disney World is gay, for sure, I mean I did that. Also,

631
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: New Orleans, New Orleans is very gay, but also is

632
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: very queer.

633
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 2: It is pretty queer. There's a lot of counterculture there.

634
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: New Orleans is very queer, Berlin is very gay. It's

635
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: probably too easy to say that Fire Island is maybe

636
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: one of the gayest places I've ever been to, but

637
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: I will say that, as I talked about recently on

638
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: the pod, the Joni Mitchell concert with like ten thousand

639
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:53,840
Speaker 1: other like lesbians for the Brandy Carlisle Festival was definitely

640
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 1: probably the gayest place I've ever been to. What's the

641
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 1: straightest place you've ever been?

642
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,879
Speaker 2: I was a boy Scout for a while.

643
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: Isn't that? Isn't that kind of gay? Though it was

644
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: at the time, I never saw it as homosocial. No,

645
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: even though I did definitely meet my first boyfriend in

646
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 1: boy Scouts, we didn't date until after. But no, there

647
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,000
Speaker 1: was nothing homosocial about it for me, though I do

648
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: know that it can be homosocial.

649
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 2: For some people. At the time, though, it was just.

650
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: This this perfect crystallization of everything I hated about being

651
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: a boy and everything I hated about being straight, all

652
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: all compressed into weekly meetings and terrible camping trips that

653
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: I dreaded every single time I would go to and

654
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: subject myself to the things I despise the most. That

655
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: are also pillars of heterosexual culture, which are manual labor,

656
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 1: being in closed spaces with only boys.

657
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: And they're all farting and burping, and.

658
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 1: Organized group activities are very heterosexual.

659
00:38:58,600 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 2: Yes, like done a certain way.

660
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 1: Yes, like on on that in that vein not the

661
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: place itself. But when I went on Birthright, yeah, that

662
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: trip was maybe the straightest thing I've ever done because like, yes,

663
00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: I know that Israel is like tel Aviv is very

664
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: gay blah blah blah, but the Birthright trip itself was

665
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: very straight, and that the leaders of the trip literally

666
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:29,440
Speaker 1: try to pair the people on the trip up because

667
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 1: they want to promote more Jewish babies.

668
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 2: Right, they want to pair you off their matchmaking.

669
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, way, that is heterosexual culture. Also Hasidic Williamsburg disobedience.

670
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: That's heterosexuality. Lo like live laugh love, Oh, live laugh love.

671
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:52,520
Speaker 2: Is very heterocyc.

672
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 1: But it's also been I mean, this is the thing

673
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: about things that are like, yeah, so heterosexual is that

674
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: we have now elevated them to camp status. So in

675
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: that way, we have reclaimed them as gay a little bit.

676
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 1: The same thing with cracker Barrel. Honestly, yeah, I think

677
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: cracker Barrel is very gay. Also, I love Chick fil A.

678
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: I will fuck up some Chick fil A. Sorry, Like, now,

679
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: what's the straightest fast food franchise?

680
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 2: Burger King? Right, I was gonna say Burger King two.

681
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 2: Gotta be Burger King. I mean they're okay.

682
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: Actually there is also that era of Quiznos commercials. Nose

683
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: is so straight and Subway is queer.

684
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Phoebe's cracking up.

685
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: What is the what the fuck is yogurt?

686
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 2: Like it was a yogurt franchise?

687
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: Okay, then then sixty sixteen Handles is gay? Well, then

688
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,320
Speaker 1: then I would say red Mango is queer, and I

689
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,360
Speaker 1: would say that nineteen Handles is gay and Coldstone is trans. Go,

690
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: because there's common the ice cream ice cream is gay,

691
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: frozen yogurt is straight, frozen yogurt is straight, Gelato is

692
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: hands Wait, let's do more of this.

693
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: What Let's okay things that are gay and straight?

694
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: Okay, So.

695
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: Katy Perry is straight, Lady Gaga is gay.

696
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:27,280
Speaker 1: And the Army is straight. Okay, The Navy is gay

697
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 1: for sure, NASA is treys period.

698
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,359
Speaker 2: Okay, Well, let's keep going.

699
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: The Sun is straight, he Moon is gay, and Pluto

700
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 1: is trans. You think the moon can feel the moon

701
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: is trans. The moon feels like a woman, feels like

702
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: a doll. The moon is trans.

703
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 2: The moon is a doll. And I feel like, what's gay?

704
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:52,560
Speaker 1: Stars?

705
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:57,880
Speaker 2: Oh uranus, My god, we're still doing this.

706
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 1: Let's keep going. I won't rest until everything has been labeled.

707
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: I would say that coca cola is.

708
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: Gay.

709
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 1: No, no, Coca cola is straight. Diet coke is gay.

710
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:31,919
Speaker 2: Die coca is gay.

711
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: Coke zero is coke. Zero is trans because it's not pepsi.

712
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 1: Pepsi is not trans. Pepsi is like bye maybe, but

713
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 1: like you know, hot coffee is straight. Iced coffee is gay.

714
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 1: Lattes are trans. Lattes are transfer. Sure have all that

715
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 1: extra milk? Yeah, they're there. There, there are a crossing

716
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:59,799
Speaker 1: up across. Wait, you are nailing all of these. I

717
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: have yet, I have no notes. I'm very smart. You

718
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: are very smart. I am constantly saying that to you.

719
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: Blood is gay.

720
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 2: Blood is because.

721
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:13,560
Speaker 1: Aids, because aids, and because red because when red cross

722
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 1: was like blood isn't gay, then the gays were like,

723
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: blood is our thing. Now blood is gay. Blood is gay.

724
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: Skin is straight. Hair is trans.

725
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: Hair, hair is trans.

726
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: I was gonna say organs are trans, but I don't.

727
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,600
Speaker 1: I think organs are like kind of non gender specific. Okay,

728
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: Calm is gay, spit is transs mucus is straight? Is

729
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 1: well here's what wait this is This is a question

730
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:49,160
Speaker 1: for the group. Do straight people say calm? They say,

731
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 1: is as we learned on and just like that, Oh

732
00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 1: my god, they say. They don't say like I'm gonna.

733
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: But people will say like, I'm gonna calm.

734
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 2: Like straight people will say I'm gonna.

735
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 1: Or do they know what they say, I'm gonna come,

736
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,400
Speaker 1: But I don't think they call it come like to

737
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: them it's an action.

738
00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: Right, it's not. We're the ones that have said this.

739
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:10,799
Speaker 2: Fluid is a noun.

740
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:16,359
Speaker 1: Nouns are straight nouns, adjectives are gay, verbs are trans.

741
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: I'm so good at this.

742
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 2: I think verbs are Yeah.

743
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: You could say that one hundred percent because they have

744
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:27,760
Speaker 1: so many different forms. Yeah, ad verbs, et cetera. Water

745
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: is trans, Air is straight, Yeah, fire is gay. Fire

746
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: is gay. Air is straight. Yeah, because it's like the thing.

747
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 2: It's the thing.

748
00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the thing that everybody is like orbiting around air. Okay,

749
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: so they don't call it come, but they they call

750
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 1: it semen no, they call it jiz.

751
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 2: They call it jees. That's so male.

752
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 1: And straight people say, like, do girls say they're gonna like,

753
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: oh my god, my jis is everywhere? No, right, like

754
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 1: straight women don't talk about jis. Yeah, discharge.

755
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: I feel like, yeah, I don't know.

756
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 1: I I'm asking this honestly because I often I really

757
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 1: have no view into what heterosexual cis, heterosexual sex looks

758
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 1: like outside of media. I the the only straight people

759
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 1: in my life really are straight women, and they are

760
00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 1: real people.

761
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: It's important to include them.

762
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: No, I mean, straight, straight straight women women are the

763
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 1: gaze of straight people, right, and it's it's your role

764
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: as a straight woman, as a straight heterosexual woman is imporan,

765
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: and we honor that straight women are queering what it

766
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:03,439
Speaker 1: means to be heterosexual. Okay, on that note of straight women,

767
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 1: I have to say, and I hope this is a

768
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 1: safe space to say, and I hope I can say

769
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: it without sounding ignorant or like I'm making a blanket statement.

770
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 1: But I you're going to do with all of that

771
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 1: right now? I feel like when I watch porn with

772
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: CIS women in it, it's very difficult for me to

773
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 1: get turned on because because the straight male gaze is

774
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: so present. We talked about this a little bit in

775
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:36,760
Speaker 1: our porn episode, and and you said very wisely to me, well, gay.

776
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,680
Speaker 2: Porn is through a male lens.

777
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: Hello, And I feel like, as I've thought about that,

778
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,239
Speaker 1: it's like it is about the straight male lens as

779
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 1: opposed to the gay male lens. As I was socialized

780
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: and therefore I'm turned on by.

781
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 2: But I also feel like I would love to be

782
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:51,919
Speaker 2: proven wrong.

783
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: And if anybody has some like queer porn that has

784
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: CIS women in it, I would watch it.

785
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 2: Is that an? Is that a crazy?

786
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: I just feel like a lot of times I don't

787
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:03,520
Speaker 1: think it's a crazy, but like watching it a lot

788
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: of times. And then she's like aw, Like I'm it's

789
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:07,520
Speaker 1: just like I want to hear.

790
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:08,800
Speaker 2: I don't mind gooning.

791
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: I love verbal sex, but there's like a kind of

792
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: version of it that is so prevalent in only only

793
00:47:14,040 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: fans content. Can Can you explain to me, I'm I'm

794
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: being vulnerable by I'm being vulnerable right now. I don't

795
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: know what gooning is.

796
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry. Gooning.

797
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 1: This is an amazing thing to educate on on the

798
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: podcast because it's not a very common term. Gooning is

799
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,560
Speaker 1: when typically poor an actors, but sometimes just people in

800
00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: your sex life are very much so overdoing their sexual

801
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: noises and reactions to things, either because it turns them

802
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 1: on or because it turns you on, or because they

803
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: don't even realize that they're doing it, or the performance.

804
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 1: But it's that performance of oh yeah, it's like I

805
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: know that, it doesn't feel like that, like I know,

806
00:47:56,920 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: but it's but I'm glad you're.

807
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 2: Doing it anyways. That's gooning. Thank you, You're welcome.

808
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: Hetero heterosexuality is goooning. I mean, I don't believe. I

809
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: don't believe in heterosexuality.

810
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 2: I think that is the bottom line.

811
00:48:10,239 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 1: I think it is not like a fundamental truth of

812
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: the universe. Yeah, it's not, and honestly, neither is queerness.

813
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: And well, no that's not true. I do believe that.

814
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, okay, I agree heterosexuality is not a

815
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: fundamental rule of the universe, which is how we have

816
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: treated it an indoctrinated people into it globally. I mean,

817
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: people think it is because of procreation, but I think

818
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 1: that's bullshit. It's obviously bullshit because queer people exist and

819
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: I think that if we lived in a society where

820
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 1: the options presented were not heterosexuality or societal isolation, which

821
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: are the two options at present, if it was like

822
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: you get heterosexuality or you can be sexually fluid, or

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00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 1: if sexual fluidity was the baseline, and what we were

824
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:07,080
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825
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,720
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863
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 4: and crazy. I know you all were saying it's one

864
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:33,359
Speaker 4: of like five baz Lureaman movies he's ever made, right

865
00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:33,840
Speaker 4: or something.

866
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's part of.

867
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,359
Speaker 1: The trilogy wild. Yeah, it's incredibly frenetic. He I mean,

868
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:43,720
Speaker 1: it got even worse in Elvis, where it's like every

869
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 1: second is a cut. It's like it's so over edited.

870
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: In Mulan Rouge, it works. I don't think it worked

871
00:51:52,880 --> 00:51:56,920
Speaker 1: in Elvis. I think Mulan Bruge is Mulin Rouge. And

872
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: Romeo and Juliette to me, are like the the films

873
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: in which his style and his creative impulses just work

874
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,720
Speaker 1: the best because of the the text that they're applied to.

875
00:52:11,800 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 4: And like the maximalist scenic design and the costume Maing

876
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 4: is so costume incredible.

877
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 1: That red dress that Nicole wears, oh, that she puts

878
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 1: on like early in she literally puts it on for

879
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 1: one scene and then immediately changes into a different costume.

880
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,960
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that the diamond necklace they put on

881
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: her in that sequence towards the end what like broke

882
00:52:36,200 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 1: some sort of Hollywood record for like most expensive, like costume,

883
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,200
Speaker 1: jewelry or something at the time, like, well, she is

884
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: the spark wing diamond, the spark wing Diamond. She's so

885
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,719
Speaker 1: beautiful in this movie. Uh the mug, I mean red.

886
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,399
Speaker 1: The makeup's great, the make the hair color. No one

887
00:52:54,520 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: has ever been more of a redhead than Nicole Kidman

888
00:52:57,680 --> 00:52:59,960
Speaker 1: was in Mulan Red with her make with her make

889
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: up and her hair, she's like so white, she's look

890
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: she looks blue.

891
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: She's wearing like ben Ny clowns.

892
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 4: No, the makeup is great, even like I love as

893
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:10,880
Speaker 4: a makeup artist watching movies and being like, why is

894
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 4: she still panted? Literally, she's like sick, like are dying

895
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,760
Speaker 4: at one point in bed smoky eye, lash on brow

896
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 4: on her ripcun blushed, bronze contoured. I mean like, I'm like,

897
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 4: this girl's dying and she's starving.

898
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: Cut. She's dying but I'm living.

899
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 2: But she that is live, dyed, served cut.

900
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,359
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's great. It's so good. Yeah.

901
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 4: No, her makeup is honestly fantastic about the whole thing.

902
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:38,560
Speaker 4: And she has just like thin, like really long brow and.

903
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 2: It just it just really works for her.

904
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's great. It's a very early two

905
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: thousand's brow.

906
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one, it.

907
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: Looks that's Oh, she's a beautiful face. She's just so gorgeous.

908
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 4: Also, she always has her clavical and duck letange out

909
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 4: and it's always dyed and gorgeous, and she's so like.

910
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 1: Well, she has a cordison, you know, she's got to

911
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 1: show off the merchandise. That is something that is like

912
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 1: somewhat I guess, kind of radical, like for the time

913
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: in which this movie was taking place, where it's you know,

914
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: this epic love story about a hook girl, about a.

915
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 4: Little sex worker. Yeah, who's keeping the lights on for

916
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 4: this entire theatrical establishment, like you know, been there.

917
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:23,520
Speaker 1: She's taking one for the team, for sure. She's taking

918
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: several for the team.

919
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 4: She's taking loads and keeping the lights on.

920
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: Okay, she's taking loads and keeping the the you know,

921
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: gas lamps lit.

922
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,959
Speaker 4: She has to suck off the conad man every week,

923
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 4: but they keep it.

924
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: They and she's dying of consumption, which I guess is

925
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 1: like tis yeah, you just kind of you just kind

926
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 1: of cough and look very like Wan and faint and

927
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,560
Speaker 1: then die. You would think that Baz Luhrmann invented the

928
00:54:55,640 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: cinematic trope of you cough cough into an napkin and

929
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 1: there's a tiny spot of blood, and you're like, oh,

930
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 1: this character is going to die, but you still serve

931
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: kunt until the absolute second of your death. It doesn't,

932
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: it doesn't, It doesn't deplete your looks at all. But yeah, like,

933
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: you know, you have to slay until you're dying breath,

934
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: and she did. She literally walked so President Snow could run.

935
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:21,680
Speaker 2: Because you know he would.

936
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:24,240
Speaker 4: He was like, and there's like a little bit of blood,

937
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 4: a little more cock.

938
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: Shuck up.