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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeart Radio. The Book of Genesis, of course, fascinates me,

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Speaker 1: always did since I was a young boy, when I

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Speaker 1: read it several times in my Catholic cateaclysm classes. But

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Speaker 1: explain to us your thoughts of what the fallen Angels were.

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Speaker 1: I think that the fallen angels, again, as outlined in

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Speaker 1: the biblical narrative, we're part of this rebellious faction that

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Speaker 1: aligned itself with an angel who's variously called Satan Lucifer,

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Speaker 1: who I literally wanted to dethrone and be God in

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Speaker 1: other words, replace Yahweh, the God of the Bible. Sounds

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Speaker 1: like a Kuda Tad's. That's exactly what it is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you want to, if you catch it in political terms,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly what it is. And I think doing that

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Speaker 1: kind of helps us understand some of the mechanics of

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Speaker 1: what's going on here and in some of the gravity

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Speaker 1: fact of what they chose to do. But of course,

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Speaker 1: you know, most of us, whether we've gone to Sunday

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Speaker 1: School or Catechism or whatever, we are, even on a

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Speaker 1: popular level, we sort of know that the story about

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Speaker 1: how a third of those angels were cast out of heaven,

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Speaker 1: and the faction that we find, you know, involved in

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Speaker 1: Mount Herman and the Watchers and their progeny the giants,

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Speaker 1: really brings a crucial part of that coup, I think

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Speaker 1: into focus because it has ramifications for not only the

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Speaker 1: preflood world, but but later periods in history as well.

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Speaker 1: If if we're to believe what Enoch tells us about um,

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Speaker 1: the giants, then they're they're disembodied spirits or at least

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Speaker 1: part of the demonic hierarchy. In fact, that the same

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Speaker 1: word usage that enoch us Enoch says unclean spirits, and

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Speaker 1: the same kind kind of of word is used for

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Speaker 1: for demonic spirit um. In fact, all throughout the New Testament,

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Speaker 1: from Matthew all the way to Revelation, the there's a

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Speaker 1: h the designator in front of a new mine. I

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Speaker 1: think it's uh, that's right, anti darcos. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: that's what it is anyway, um yeah, um, so yeah,

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Speaker 1: the ramifications are wide ranging for human society. Um, all

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Speaker 1: because of this angelic coup that took place. Now, these

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Speaker 1: bones of these hundred foot giants, somebody somewhere has got

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Speaker 1: to have them, don't you think that's a great question, George. Um,

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Speaker 1: you know, if they're if they're a remnants of them,

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Speaker 1: if they're you know, fossilized or preserved through uh some

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Speaker 1: sort of process that we're not familiar with. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: they may they may look like petrified trees or something

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Speaker 1: like that. Um, you know, we we don't know for sure.

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Speaker 1: Another theory that I have is that they may not

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Speaker 1: decompose in the same way that flora and fauna they're

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Speaker 1: indigenous to Earth. Do you have to remember we're dealing

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Speaker 1: with a creature here, both priest flood and to it

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Speaker 1: an extent post flood, that has angelic pedigree, transdimensional pedigree,

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Speaker 1: if you will. They may not even decompose the same

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Speaker 1: way that we do. Well, that's a good point. Now,

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Speaker 1: we talked earlier about giants in America. Tell us how

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Speaker 1: widespread that might have been. Well, I think that the

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Speaker 1: sort of the last ditch attempt by giants to physically

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Speaker 1: destroy the bloodline of the Messiah seems to center around

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Speaker 1: the the old story of David and Goliath. You know,

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Speaker 1: Goliath was trying to know he was a giant, right,

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Speaker 1: he was a giant. He was a giant exactly and

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Speaker 1: you know about nine and a half Heataf were to

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Speaker 1: believe that the records, but this wasn't you know, this

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Speaker 1: was an attempt to destroy the bloodline of Jesus because

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Speaker 1: Jesus was related to David, he was in that bloodline.

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Speaker 1: Would you say that the giants of that time then

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Speaker 1: they were. Yeah, I think that that's part of the

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Speaker 1: there are elements of their culture, in other words, you

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Speaker 1: and funerary riots and things like that. Well, these were

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Speaker 1: madly politically ambitious people. You have to remember that, you know,

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Speaker 1: according to peoples as various as the Samarians and the

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Speaker 1: things set them up as the god kings and founders

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Speaker 1: of their civilizations. And in fact, if you look at

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Speaker 1: almost without exception, theocratic monarchies. In other words, this is

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Speaker 1: a mimicry of what had been set up. You have

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Speaker 1: might have happened on this planet many many years ago, indeed,

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Speaker 1: what is happening today in terms of current investigations to

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Speaker 1: get this story out. Well, there there are. You have

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Speaker 1: are actually doing doing work on that. You know, you

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Speaker 1: mentioned Steve quile El Marzuli. Marzuli is one of the best.

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Speaker 1: At any rate, we all bring different tools to the table,

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Speaker 1: you know, we bring none of us has a complete picture.

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Speaker 1: We've all got different you know, methods of approach and

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Speaker 1: answer to that is that that there's fortunately a lot

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Speaker 1: being done by some very qualified researchers these days, whether

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Speaker 1: the occasional genetic testing, you know some uh, you know,

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Speaker 1: low key excavations that are taking place, and of course

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Speaker 1: the search through the mythological and historical record is ongoing.

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Speaker 1: Do you believe that these giants could exist on other

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Speaker 1: planetary systems? How would not venture a guest as to that.

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Speaker 1: things that always told my students when they asked about

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Speaker 1: largely quadrupetal. But of course, even on our own planet

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Speaker 1: might have seen some of these giants? Um? Well, he certainly. Again,

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Speaker 1: if we're to believe that that the demonic hierarchy in part,

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Speaker 1: on Panasus. It was then called Csia Philippa in his day,

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Speaker 1: and this is right at the foot of Mount Hermann.

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Speaker 1: And um, he makes them pretty interesting statements in the

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Speaker 1: You know, he makes a public proclamation of his messiah

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Speaker 1: and Jesus establishes the church as the institution that will

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Speaker 1: come back the stuff in his wake. Now, the location

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Speaker 1: in effect, what Jesus is doing is he's firing a

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Speaker 1: In other words, he was knocking out the counsels of

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Speaker 1: replacing them with his assembly the church. Do you also believe, Judd,

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Speaker 1: oh wow, George, I don't know if we have enough time.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, to answer your question, that's the kind of

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Speaker 1: to see the skull of a hundred foot giant. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think that they would look like that. But I

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Speaker 1: what did they eat a whole a whole cow? Well, um,

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