Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dunton, Saren Burnett. How are you doing? I'm great,
Speaker 2: you ridiculous?
Speaker 3: Yes, I do what you just got right to it?
Speaker 3: Listen here.
Speaker 4: You know you've seen that movie Deadpool, silly guy and
Speaker 4: a costume.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, Momentarily I was thinking of like a
Speaker 2: Clint Eastwood eighties movie, isn't.
Speaker 3: That I think there might be one?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Anyway, go on, yeah, Deadpool, the comic guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the comic Yeah, the Ryan Reynolds.
Speaker 3: Ryan Reynolds, And you're like, are you spider Man?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Are you lippier.
Speaker 3: Lippier spider Man?
Speaker 4: And then now he's got one with the hairy fella,
Speaker 4: the Wolverine, the.
Speaker 2: Nail and with the attitude and the.
Speaker 5: Nail.
Speaker 2: I love Wolverine.
Speaker 4: Actually, okay, so you know there's that movie coming out right? Yes,
Speaker 4: I'm aware, and like I would think that there's a
Speaker 4: big crossover that a lot of people who like the
Speaker 4: movie also liked it.
Speaker 3: You just stop it right now? Can I finish a lot?
Speaker 2: I'm totally listen. I'm not guessing where you're going at all.
Speaker 4: Go on across over yourself a lot of people who
Speaker 4: watched those kind of movies also play video games.
Speaker 3: That's to say today.
Speaker 2: That's is that ridiculous?
Speaker 4: No, I got more. I got more, and that's so
Speaker 4: it's so ridiculous. Okay, So anyway, Xbox right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not familiar.
Speaker 3: You like an Xbox xbox in your life?
Speaker 2: My cousin does.
Speaker 3: So you know.
Speaker 4: The the controllers, yes, yes, the buttons with your hands
Speaker 4: and your hands in your face.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And so they've made a special controller for the Xbox
Speaker 4: uh designed by Deadpool, it says, okay, means it's business
Speaker 4: in the front, party in the back.
Speaker 2: But it's not a mullet, it's not a hairy controller.
Speaker 4: It had it looks like the surface of it looks
Speaker 4: like Deadpool's red and black leather costs.
Speaker 2: Oh sure, so I got a leathery controller in my head.
Speaker 4: And I also just really quickly tell you that don't
Speaker 4: blame me, blame Barb from Instagram for bringing this forward.
Speaker 3: God blissard.
Speaker 4: Okay, anyway, so that it's like the surface of the
Speaker 4: controller is like the leather of his cost it. Sure,
Speaker 4: I'm with you, But then the back of it has
Speaker 4: butt cheeks.
Speaker 3: So I'm showing you right now? Do you see this?
Speaker 2: So it's got.
Speaker 4: Juicy booty boy, straight up juicy booty, Elliott Stabler level
Speaker 4: juicy booty.
Speaker 2: It would be distracting during gameplay.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4: So it's called the Cheeky Controller and you hold on
Speaker 4: to his butns will you wiggle his buttons in the
Speaker 4: front and the press release said quotes designed by the
Speaker 4: MRK with a mouth himself. It also comes I don't
Speaker 4: even know what that means. It comes clad in the
Speaker 4: anti heroes, instantly recognizable and might we add incredibly flattering
Speaker 4: red and black tactical suit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there's only one Captain America.
Speaker 3: It only created one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to make only one.
Speaker 3: You gotta go to their sweep steaks. And it said
Speaker 3: that you had to look at a post on Twitter.
Speaker 2: They called it x whatever whatever. How many times have
Speaker 2: you entered this contest?
Speaker 3: I have not because I don't have an Xbox.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you want that control, you have to.
Speaker 4: Go to Twitter and then you do these other things
Speaker 4: and it's like whatever. You have to have a Twitter account,
Speaker 4: so I can't enter.
Speaker 2: It's true, you don't have Twitter.
Speaker 4: It ends August eleventh, and you have eighteen or older.
Speaker 2: I still got a Twitter account.
Speaker 3: I just I can't believe you still have a Twitter account.
Speaker 2: Why anyway, still swimming in film?
Speaker 3: Well, go swim and filth, grab some cheek, play a little,
Speaker 3: you know, diddle around on the front.
Speaker 2: Okay, say a little the.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then a thousand people who they'll get an
Speaker 4: Xbox Elite Wireless controller Series two Core?
Speaker 2: Are they paying you to say all this?
Speaker 4: I wish I wish they would give me things. It
Speaker 4: just gives me things.
Speaker 2: You're out here just freelance, like.
Speaker 4: All of these companies I promote. They're insane idea, and
Speaker 4: so many people get excited about it.
Speaker 2: Not me.
Speaker 3: Tens of people get excited about it, and so they
Speaker 3: should be just I don't pay me to do it.
Speaker 3: Just send me the stuff, like send.
Speaker 2: Her the butt controller, get this woman control.
Speaker 3: I just need free stuff.
Speaker 5: There.
Speaker 2: I think you need more free stuff.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 3: I don't get anything free.
Speaker 2: I just meant stuff for.
Speaker 3: Shine, more stuff. So in summary, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: That is oh my goodness is why did they make
Speaker 2: this one? I mean this one? I guess supply and
Speaker 2: demand anyway special you know, uh, you know what else
Speaker 2: is ridiculous you tell me sit back down. Okay, imagine
Speaker 2: this right, just this whole scenario, Elizabeth, you base your
Speaker 2: like you're a person. You're like, oh, I'm feeling like
Speaker 2: I don't really know who I am and other people
Speaker 2: don't know who I am. I'm gonna make that more
Speaker 2: clear to them. Right, So you decided to like change
Speaker 2: your persona, your public persona, and you base your whole
Speaker 2: new identity on a character from a movie. Okay, and
Speaker 2: then people they accept it because you're like, you're really
Speaker 2: can to the bit. They're like, whatever, that's just two
Speaker 2: gun heart right, Because it turns out that like you
Speaker 2: decided to be like a movie cowboy, I tho's your
Speaker 2: thing in life. Okay, but also this is like a
Speaker 2: while ago, so little it wasn't so weird to do that.
Speaker 2: It was still weird. But anyway, turns out you also
Speaker 2: have a big bad secret, and you're not sure if people,
Speaker 2: if they knew about your big bad secret, if they'd
Speaker 2: be so forgiving of your cosplay as an old timey
Speaker 2: Western hero.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's ridiculous.
Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.
Speaker 2: Heis and cons It's always ninety nine percent murder free
Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Yes, oh, Elizabeth, Oh, zaren Today,
Speaker 2: I've got a doozy for you. It's another sequel. Oh yes,
Speaker 2: it's another installment in my ongoing coverage of strange but
Speaker 2: true tales from one of America's most American families.
Speaker 3: Oh, who's that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to tell you. May be wondering
Speaker 2: what FAMI were you talking about. I'm not going to
Speaker 2: tell you. Okay, it's a great question, Elizabeth. Thank you,
Speaker 2: and I'll tell you when the time is right. How
Speaker 2: about that. I promise you. That's my guarantee. That's the
Speaker 2: Zara and Burnett guarantee. Okay now, but for now, I'd
Speaker 2: like to introduce you to Richard James two gun Heart.
Speaker 3: Richard James two gun Heart.
Speaker 2: I mentioned him up top, two gun Heart. Yeah, this
Speaker 2: is his story.
Speaker 3: I'm confused.
Speaker 2: I know you should be. I'm not helping you much,
Speaker 2: so Old James Heart that's how he was known mostly.
Speaker 2: He was born in eighteen ninety two, okay, right at
Speaker 2: the end of the Old West era. He's like I
Speaker 2: made it kind of, He's like, I'm just gonna squeeze
Speaker 2: it out. So he stretches it out and he makes
Speaker 2: it last longer. Anyway, the age of three, though, he
Speaker 2: first came to America as an immigrant from whence did
Speaker 2: he Well, I will tell you that, but uh no,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to tell you that. You know what
Speaker 2: his father that was a barber. His father was named Gabrielle,
Speaker 2: and his mother, her name was Teresa Heart Yeah, well
Speaker 2: whatever from she was a seamstress. Okay, right, Remember I
Speaker 2: said the guy's a big secret, so don't get so
Speaker 2: hung up on names.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: Anyway, at the age of the three, I told you
Speaker 2: immigrant got the parents Gabrielle, Teresa, right, Barbara seamstress.
Speaker 3: He gets not rich, would you say, eighteen ninety five
Speaker 3: he gets.
Speaker 2: Here basically yeah, because yeah, because eighteen ninety two he
Speaker 2: was born eighteen ninety five. He arrives here three years old. Anyway,
Speaker 2: parents they start in Canada, but they make their way
Speaker 2: down to Brooklyn, New York. They there make a home.
Speaker 2: Right now, we're still around eighteen ninety five, eighteen ninety
Speaker 2: six in America, everyone calls his cat James. That's where
Speaker 2: he starts getting known as James. Now soon enough, he's
Speaker 2: got a bunch of siblings, right, Mom and Pop, just
Speaker 2: keep me at it, right, they don't stop all of a
Speaker 2: sudden's Ralph Frank Armina, John Albert Matthew Mafalda. I mean
Speaker 2: I I could keep going. That's it. That's all all
Speaker 2: the kids right now. Anyway. In nineteen oh four, at
Speaker 2: the age of twelve, James he leaves home. He goes west,
Speaker 2: and as he put it, he was looking for adventure.
Speaker 2: What year nineteen oh four four he finds very young,
Speaker 2: very young, twelve. He finds work with a traveling circus,
Speaker 2: working as a roustabout. So he's helping to set up
Speaker 2: the big tent, take it down when the circus hits
Speaker 2: sound right, So later he finds other work. He goes down.
Speaker 2: He's a oiling windmills in Texas. Oh yeah, it sounds
Speaker 2: like a euphemism, doesn't it totally?
Speaker 3: In Texas Cleveland ice cream, so he also done.
Speaker 2: While he was in Texas, he roped steers for the ranchers.
Speaker 2: He starts getting into the cowboy life. Sometime around nineteen eighteen,
Speaker 2: James Hard He hops off the freight train in a
Speaker 2: little town called Homer, Nebraska. It's like homy Nevadam Homer, Nebraska,
Speaker 2: was a spring day Elizabeth. Town of Homer was about
Speaker 2: sixteen miles west from the Missouri River. On the opposite bank.
Speaker 2: In the east sat the town of Sioux City, Iowa.
Speaker 2: So not too far from the Iowa state line. Yeah
Speaker 2: got it.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Ok.
Speaker 2: He arrives in town, James hard he said, Nebraska is
Speaker 2: a big state. I don't want you going too far west.
Speaker 2: We're in the deep midwest of.
Speaker 3: H Deere Country is totally corn country, John Deer country.
Speaker 2: You got it? Imagine? Yeah, anyway, but a little early
Speaker 2: on that, but still stick with that idea. Now, when
Speaker 2: he arrives in town, James Hardy looks like just about
Speaker 2: any other hobo who might be riding the rails at
Speaker 2: that time, and he's looking for, you know, a better
Speaker 2: tomorrow somewhere else. The young man he finds work in
Speaker 2: this small town, which is not easy, but he gets
Speaker 2: work as a house painter. Right now, when locals are
Speaker 2: asking like, what brings you to town there, James, and
Speaker 2: he's like, oh, well, he tells them he used to
Speaker 2: be working on a railroad gang like laying track totally.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, he's a hard worker, young kid. Now
Speaker 2: the folks of Homer. They accept this hard work and newcomer.
Speaker 2: He tells everyone that his full name is Richard Jay Hart,
Speaker 2: but call him James Jim Hart, James Hart. His eyes
Speaker 2: are intelligent, Elizabeth Alive. The locals. They find that he
Speaker 2: is quote gifted with a frank and open countenance. All right, yeah,
Speaker 2: just like a big, friendly guy. But he's not a
Speaker 2: tall guy. He's lean and strong. He's also well muscled
Speaker 2: at this point from working all these hard jobs. He
Speaker 2: has thick black hair, dark eyes, alive complexion, his nose
Speaker 2: suggests that he might be not from northern Europe, right,
Speaker 2: But most folks in Homer, Nebraska, they're used to doing
Speaker 2: the calculus different. They're like, oh, maybe part Mexican, maybe
Speaker 2: part Native American, if anyone asks, though, he tells his
Speaker 2: people his people are from Oklahoma, so that of course
Speaker 2: plays into the whole idea. He may be from Indian.
Speaker 3: Territory because you see Italian.
Speaker 2: That's a good guess, Elizabeth. And anyway, so his story
Speaker 2: makes sense to folks in Nebraska. Yeah, they're like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: five civilized tribes probably are his people. Whatever he knocked about,
Speaker 2: like a lot of people do. And now he's here
Speaker 2: at Homer, Nebraska. Yeah, he's a good hard work I
Speaker 2: like that guy with the really bright eyes. Anyway, soon
Speaker 2: enough he finds more work in town. He gets work
Speaker 2: as as a wall like a wallpaper hanger, and also
Speaker 2: house painter obviously related tasks yea. Then he becomes a
Speaker 2: railroad timekeeper. Apparently they trust him. He's good with the watch.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The longer he stays in town Elizabeth, the more the
Speaker 2: locals learn about this friendly newcomer. And then he tells
Speaker 2: tales of his time down in Texas, like, oh, tell
Speaker 2: us more about busting broncos and punching cows and helping
Speaker 2: round up strays and stuff. They love it. Everybody loves
Speaker 2: a good cowboy story.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: He tells them about getting in gun fights with bad men.
Speaker 2: They're like, this guy's amazing. Nineteen seventeen rules around you
Speaker 2: know what happens? Then us enters the Great War in Europe.
Speaker 2: He's a young man. He's like, oh, I'm gonna go
Speaker 2: off in enlist and protect freedom and stuff.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 2: He gets sent overseas to the bloody battlefields of France Elisabe.
Speaker 2: But he survives, wow, because he fights with General Blackjack
Speaker 2: Pershing and the US Expeditionary Forces so well that he
Speaker 2: gets awarded medals and stuff.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 2: After the war, he returns to Homer, Nebraska. He regales
Speaker 2: the locals with tales of all of his battlefield bravery.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, that's amazing. He's just like he did
Speaker 2: in Texas. Right. Oh, he's this guy. They're they're thinking
Speaker 2: they got a real life hero in town.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean he's telling telling stories Elizabeth, a gunfire exchanges
Speaker 2: with the hun right, and he how he been personally
Speaker 2: decorated with a a medal for sharp shooting and bravery
Speaker 2: by General Blackjack Pershing himself pinned it on his chest.
Speaker 8: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why he was so good a shot with
Speaker 2: the Bochee. That's what they called the Germans back then. Anyway,
Speaker 2: for proof of all, takes out the Jerry. There you go, now,
Speaker 2: proof of his marksmanship. This war tested soldier. He puts
Speaker 2: on a demonstration for the locals of Homer. He has
Speaker 2: a row of tin cans and glass bottles all lined
Speaker 2: up on a fence behind the American Legion hal because
Speaker 2: all the old veterans they want to see the guys
Speaker 2: who had fought in like the Spanish American War. Anyway,
Speaker 2: there before all the other veterans, Elizabeth, he pops every
Speaker 2: single cannon bottle on the rail with his six shooter pistols,
Speaker 2: just like he did over on the French battlefield. Yeah huh,
Speaker 2: all right, now he's around the same time he fully
Speaker 2: adopts his new persona. So because before he's like, you know,
Speaker 2: knocking about Texas. Now he's got these people going along
Speaker 2: with it. He's gonna be the town's hero.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So not onlys you call himself James Hart in honor
Speaker 2: of William S. Hardt, who's this big cowboy star of
Speaker 2: the Silent film era. He starts to pattern his behavior
Speaker 2: after this silent movies and his look. So he starts
Speaker 2: looking like a real picture house cowboy hero walking around Homer, Nebraska.
Speaker 3: And they don't know he's from New York City.
Speaker 2: No, no, not not in the real West, this immigrant
Speaker 2: boy from Brooklyn. He's cosplaying as a real life cowboy.
Speaker 2: He picks up a pair of cowboy boots, tall heels, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: he starts to wear wide like whoa hey, six inch heels,
Speaker 2: wide brim, ten gallons stetson cowboy hat make.
Speaker 4: A huge like beach blanket, Babylon and stiletto cowboy.
Speaker 3: I have got the picture in my head on.
Speaker 2: He also wears a fancy vest that's always described as
Speaker 2: a fancy.
Speaker 4: Vest, one of those like embroidered Grandma Ones Teddy Bears
Speaker 4: at a picnic.
Speaker 2: There's tassels on it. Now around his waist, he's wearing
Speaker 2: a low slung holster. Oh got a pair of pearl
Speaker 2: handled six shooters.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and no pants.
Speaker 2: He looks and actually basically a dime novel rendition of
Speaker 2: a Wild West cowboy.
Speaker 4: In my head, he's like one of the sisters of
Speaker 4: perpetual insults exactly.
Speaker 3: It's amazing.
Speaker 2: So this silver screen buckero he's out we was. He
Speaker 2: practices his looks so much and also though it matches
Speaker 2: his skills, he actually is a quick trick Okay, he's
Speaker 2: good with pistols, like I said earlier, and so nineteen
Speaker 2: nineteen yearlls around right after the war May in nineteen nineteen,
Speaker 2: James Harden becomes an actual town hero when he exhibits
Speaker 2: bravery in an emergency Elizabeth Townhomer's flooded and I'm talking flooded,
Speaker 2: like flash floodwaters, like just wash over the farmland, right,
Speaker 2: the farmhouses have water up to the rooflines, and there's
Speaker 2: hard paddling around and this churning floodwaters, and he's saving
Speaker 2: townspeople from rooftop to rooftop. Pill pulls some people from trees. Wow,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, totally here. At one point he saves a
Speaker 2: little girl from drowning. Then he turns around and goes
Speaker 2: back to save the family of the local grocer. The
Speaker 2: nineteen year old daughter of the grocer. So impressed, she
Speaker 2: falls in love.
Speaker 3: Oh she was ready.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's warm for his form, Elizabeth. So the
Speaker 2: pair they fall in love get married in the fall
Speaker 2: of that same year. Now he's happily married hero of
Speaker 2: the town. When they had the big flood, he starts
Speaker 2: to you know, really bury his old identities and just
Speaker 2: submerge it so no one, not even his wife, will
Speaker 2: ever know about any of his time back east. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's just a cowboy from Oklahoma. Now he lives out
Speaker 2: this fantasy so much that he starts to believe it,
Speaker 2: at least mostly the small town council. They're impressed with
Speaker 2: this guy, though, Man, we should have him like become
Speaker 2: more important town because of how lucky we had have
Speaker 2: such a brave, heroic guy, and they nam him what
Speaker 2: the new Marshal, So like, oh, you be our Marshall star.
Speaker 2: It's like an old movie. Yeah, would you be the Marshall?
Speaker 2: So the American Legion they elect him commander of the Post.
Speaker 2: He's like your charge of all the veterans. If we
Speaker 2: ever have to, like, you know, do anything, you get.
Speaker 4: To say who does and doesn't get to have an
Speaker 4: event at our hall exactly.
Speaker 2: Boy Scouts of America they name him the district Commissioner,
Speaker 2: which I don't know what that means, but he was
Speaker 2: named district commissioner. So now he's an official town father
Speaker 2: so to speak. Yeah, same year, in nineteen nineteen, major
Speaker 2: change comes to America, one that would initiate a whole
Speaker 2: new area in American life. Do you remember what that was?
Speaker 3: Flew?
Speaker 2: No, that's a good one. That totally that's a we
Speaker 2: would take that answer. This was jeopardy. But on January sixteenth,
Speaker 2: nineteen nineteen, it was I had a couple answers available.
Speaker 2: The US ratified the eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution making
Speaker 2: production of liquor, wine and.
Speaker 5: Beer and legel.
Speaker 2: Then much later, when they realized, oh, we need to
Speaker 2: pay people to enforce this. Local cops are just totally corrupt.
Speaker 2: We need to actually get some federals on this. So
Speaker 2: they on October twenty ninth, nineteen nineteen, Congress passes the
Speaker 2: Volstead Act, which is the law that provides for enforcement,
Speaker 2: thus creating the prohibition agents. Right, So this also marks
Speaker 2: effect technically the official start of prohibition. So nineteen nineteen,
Speaker 2: either one you want to pick January sixteenth or October
Speaker 2: twenty ninth, Yeah, boom, there you go over or combine them,
Speaker 2: just say nineteen nineteen whatever. Almost as soon as prohibition
Speaker 2: becomes the law on the land, bootleg liquor and speakeasy
Speaker 2: start to spread across America. The Volstat Act, you know,
Speaker 2: as I tell, they provided for law enforcement to fight
Speaker 2: this spread of like bathtub gin and the rise of
Speaker 2: the rum runners, like your man, the real McCoy right. Well,
Speaker 2: one of the men who stepped up to fight for
Speaker 2: prohibition was local town hero and Marshall Lahomer, Nebraska one.
Speaker 2: James Hart.
Speaker 3: He's like, I just can't get with the drinking.
Speaker 2: Oh no, now he's about Elizabeth. He's about to become
Speaker 2: a prohibition cowboy. Oh wow, Yeah, he's got there raiding Stills.
Speaker 2: He was one hell of a badass lawman, which you
Speaker 2: rarely will hear me say. But I do believe in
Speaker 2: the rule of law, right, I got to say that
Speaker 2: straight up. But I'm not always rooting for the villains
Speaker 2: and the criminals. Sometimes when a lawman is this bad ass,
Speaker 2: I can't help but root for him. Elizabeth, I'm very
Speaker 2: excited to get into the next but let's take a
Speaker 2: little break and after this all these sweet sweet ads,
Speaker 2: I will tell you about how my man James Hart
Speaker 2: becomes a prohibition cowboy.
Speaker 5: Excellent, Elizabeth, ze, we're bad Hi.
Speaker 2: So nineteen nineteen, Yeah, remember that. They It was like
Speaker 2: the Black Sox scandal Baseball, someone like, oh, they rigged
Speaker 2: the World Series? What's going on? Arline Rods Team way
Speaker 2: out West. Prohibition has come to America and has spread everywhere. Right,
Speaker 2: so everything starts to change. Jazz becomes the music of
Speaker 2: the day, race relations start to change because everyone's drinking
Speaker 2: together in these illegal speakeasies. The mafia enjoys this tremendous
Speaker 2: rise in power, going from like local crime leaders to
Speaker 2: regional and then so national syndicates. We also have radio
Speaker 2: and silent movies. They kind of create this national culture
Speaker 2: of like celebrities and identity. Everyone's like, oh, we all
Speaker 2: know the same people. And also, of course, as you
Speaker 2: pointed out, the ravages of the Spanish Flu and World
Speaker 2: War One are still coursing through the culture. We got
Speaker 2: a bunch of like broken vets and broken bodies from
Speaker 2: the Spanish Flu, and now no one's supposed to have
Speaker 2: a drink. Yeah, well, obviously that's a no go solution.
Speaker 2: So crime starts to run rampant money floods into the
Speaker 2: black market. Good and decent people's become everyday criminals as
Speaker 2: they sip on their moonshine and their bootleg Canadian whiskey. Yeah, harrow,
Speaker 2: great times, Elizabeth. I wish I could have been there anyway,
Speaker 2: entered James Hart. He's given official commission as a prohibition
Speaker 2: agent in nineteen twenty. Ok right, so right at the
Speaker 2: start it jumps in both boots. He's like, all right, yeah,
Speaker 2: got my pearls.
Speaker 3: Girls.
Speaker 2: So in October he runs his first liquor rate. How
Speaker 2: do you think it went?
Speaker 3: Great?
Speaker 5: Good cat?
Speaker 2: He hears about moonshine stills in this town called Randolph, Right,
Speaker 2: so he goes to town disguises as a day laborer
Speaker 2: goes undercover.
Speaker 3: He just like hunches over and I love the undercover.
Speaker 2: Puts stirred on his face.
Speaker 4: He gets all shoes, splashes water on himself like, oh,
Speaker 4: I'm so sweaty.
Speaker 3: I've been laboring all day because I am a day laborer. Like, oh, sir,
Speaker 3: came here is a so thirsty Okay.
Speaker 2: He wanders out into the woods as his day laborer. Right,
Speaker 2: he finds signs of a still like maybe like puffs
Speaker 2: of smoke or he smells it. I don't know. He
Speaker 2: draws closer and then he runs his raid. He busts
Speaker 2: twenty moonshiners pretty much on his own. Coincidentally becomes an
Speaker 2: embarrassment for the city fathers of nearby Randolph because a
Speaker 2: number of them are rounded up in the rain. Right yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So after this first successful rad he follows up for
Speaker 2: the second one. They're like, oh yeah. He goes over
Speaker 2: to Spencer, Nebraska, doesn't really matter again small town, and
Speaker 2: again he embarrasses these small town fathers. In this case
Speaker 2: it's the actual town marshal who he busts in the raid.
Speaker 2: Oh whoa yeah. And when he does that, he tries
Speaker 2: to arrest the marshall. A local official like a deputy,
Speaker 2: comes out. He goes, you can't arrest the marshal. He's like,
Speaker 2: you bomb to rest in the marshall.
Speaker 3: I'm a marshall too.
Speaker 2: So they accused James Hart of disturbing the peace. They
Speaker 2: get him on charges of disturbing the peace. Like, I'm arrested,
Speaker 2: You're arrested. It was, yeah, So he doesn't take no
Speaker 2: lip Elizabeth. So the men get into a fight. So
Speaker 2: now the law is tussling and wrestling and James Hard
Speaker 2: he had to let the marshall go because there was
Speaker 2: more of them than there were of him. So this
Speaker 2: rare loss has stuck with him. He's like, corrupt local law,
Speaker 2: I don't try. I'm only sticking with my feder rallies.
Speaker 2: So he then decides, you know, to go alone far
Speaker 2: more often anyway. Nineteen twenty one rolls around, James Hart's
Speaker 2: becoming a household name for all of his liquor aids.
Speaker 2: Right the Homer Star local paper, they said, quote, He's
Speaker 2: becoming such a menace in the state that his name
Speaker 2: alone carries terror to the heart of every criminal.
Speaker 5: Oh.
Speaker 2: Now, thirty years later, in nineteen fifty one, the Saint
Speaker 2: Louis Dispatch. They also wrote about James Hart. By then
Speaker 2: his real identity was no longer a secret. But the
Speaker 2: article look back at his early days as this cavalier
Speaker 2: marauding prohibition agent. And the article Elizabeth, they recalled how
Speaker 2: the locals felt about James Hart, and they said, and
Speaker 2: I quote, that he was there, scarlet Pimpernel, their hero.
Speaker 2: In one month alone, he cleaned out thirty stills. All
Speaker 2: Nebraska watched and cheered as Heart decked out in high
Speaker 2: heeled cowboy boots, ten Gallon had in pearl handled shooting irons,
Speaker 2: crusaded against crime. End quote. So a picture of them
Speaker 2: out there on the prairie and his high heels. I
Speaker 2: gotta say, that's a reference you don't hear anymore. It's
Speaker 2: the scarlet Pimpernel.
Speaker 3: Oh I know, right?
Speaker 2: Did you like the Scarlet Pimpernel? Do you know it?
Speaker 2: Scarlet Pimpernel?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I am familiar.
Speaker 2: When I was a boy growing up in the South,
Speaker 2: I saw the old movie because it was on like
Speaker 2: Turner TBS Turners because he liked all those old movies.
Speaker 2: And I thought that guy was awesome. Right, there's this
Speaker 2: rich guy who you know once again can usually hear
Speaker 2: me go. I was rid for the rich guy, but anyway,
Speaker 2: he's a hero. At night, he's like Zorrow or a batman.
Speaker 2: Is this rich guy at night goes crusading, But in
Speaker 2: the daytime he's this total fop total he's like pathetic,
Speaker 2: he can't do anything. He's got the new Yeah exactly.
Speaker 2: And everyone's like, oh, you know, it couldn't have been him,
Speaker 2: because we know it's one person it's not is this
Speaker 2: guy now who in this world couldn't be? And I
Speaker 2: thought that was amazing because the kid had taught me
Speaker 2: that people will look past what they see right in
Speaker 2: front of him as long as you're glad to think
Speaker 2: you're pathetic.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Anyway, I thought that was great. So James Hart, he
Speaker 2: was their scarlet Pimpernel, and they didn't know how true
Speaker 2: it was Elizabeth because he had a secret identity just
Speaker 2: like the scarlet Pimpernel. But anyway, as far as what
Speaker 2: they saw, they get this badass lawman. One fellow lawman
Speaker 2: of the Sioux City Patrolman, Alan Stoner, I found in
Speaker 2: an old newspaper. Had to read a bunch of old
Speaker 2: newspapers for this yeah. He recounted a time that James
Speaker 2: Hart once had to square up with a bootlegger he
Speaker 2: was trying to arrest, but the bootlegger didn't want to
Speaker 2: throw hands with him. He wanted to test how fast
Speaker 2: James Heart was with those pearl handled shooting irons. So
Speaker 2: James already he wasn't in the mood to kill a
Speaker 2: man though, he's a man of peace, so he told
Speaker 2: him he'd have to sort it out with their fists instead.
Speaker 2: How fast are you with those things? So, as patrolman
Speaker 2: Alan Stoner recalls quote, they fought for an hour right
Speaker 2: on the street with everybody watching, until finally the whiskey
Speaker 2: runner gave up and Heart took him in. It was
Speaker 2: a big moment in my life, made me decide to
Speaker 2: become an officer myself. An hour hour, Elizabeth. They fought
Speaker 2: in the street for an hour, well whatever, forty five minutes,
Speaker 2: twenty minutes. Anything longer than like seven to ten minutes
Speaker 2: is like a pretty.
Speaker 3: It's a long time. I mean, it was a lot
Speaker 3: of it, just like chasing each other.
Speaker 2: Around, throwing dirt each other's eyes, just.
Speaker 3: Like ducking behind bildings.
Speaker 2: Trying to trip each other's high heels.
Speaker 3: Yeah, snapping the high heel off, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Knocking hats off. So eund this time in the nineteen twenties,
Speaker 2: at the height of the prohibition, James Hart becomes this
Speaker 2: fixtured local headlines but also syndicated nationally. He starts becoming
Speaker 2: this character. So you have these local headlines in later
Speaker 2: national months. But here's an example Elizabeth State Agent Heart
Speaker 2: cleans up Cedar County. R. J. Hart battles gamblers, Heart
Speaker 2: fines more Moonshine, Dick Hart and Homer Tuesday trailing thieves.
Speaker 2: Now he's just everyone's paying attention to this guy. He
Speaker 2: is there like I don't know, like wild Bill Hiccocks anyway.
Speaker 2: He's just like a Wild West character come back to
Speaker 2: life at a time where they were totally losing the West.
Speaker 2: How is this guy still.
Speaker 4: Out there doing this Heartland you know, voice of the
Speaker 4: law and arm of the law. It makes for great
Speaker 4: entertainment and wire stories when you live in other places.
Speaker 2: Totally everyone's digging it.
Speaker 4: They can imagine that what it's looking like him walking
Speaker 4: around with them high heel.
Speaker 2: So, with his growing fame on the prairie, my man
Speaker 2: James Hard is invited to become a prohibition agent for
Speaker 2: the Bureau of Indian Affairs. That's because illegal liquor was
Speaker 2: a scourge on the reservations.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Side note, Elizabeth, do you know where the term bootlegging
Speaker 2: comes from?
Speaker 3: I had something to do with stick in the bottles
Speaker 3: and the boots.
Speaker 2: Very good. I'll give you a hint. Indian Territory. Back
Speaker 2: in the day, it was illegal to import liquor into
Speaker 2: Indian reservations, but people would still do it because customers
Speaker 2: would pay top dollar for good whiskey. So to sneak
Speaker 2: liquor into reservations back in the day, a fellow on horseback,
Speaker 2: he didn't have anything like you can't be like, oh,
Speaker 2: look at my wagon, you don't want that. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: they would just slip like flasks and bottles into their
Speaker 2: boots and bootlegging.
Speaker 3: Bootlegging.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you go anyway. Bureau of Indian Affairs, they've
Speaker 2: been in the business of prohibition long before anyone else
Speaker 2: got into it. As my point, so they're like, hey,
Speaker 2: we'd love to have a go getter like James Hart
Speaker 2: join our team and really get us some good headlines.
Speaker 2: So he gets sent out to the Yankton Indian Reservation
Speaker 2: in South Dakota. Right, he shows up in his fancy
Speaker 2: western vest, his high heeled cowboy boots, his brim stetson,
Speaker 2: cowboy hat. Maybe a little mess scara, I don't know,
Speaker 2: low slung holster. He learns to speak the local Omaha
Speaker 2: and La Coda dialects. He's a serious guy. Right, So
Speaker 2: the tribal leaders they like him. They give this lawman
Speaker 2: a nickname. They start calling him two gun Heart, two
Speaker 2: gun And we're local reporters and they hear about this.
Speaker 2: They of course they start talking about how two gun
Speaker 2: Heart did this, two Gun Heart did that becomes his nickname,
Speaker 2: and then that spreads his fame across the nation.
Speaker 3: Give him the nickname or did he start telling people
Speaker 3: they were calling him that.
Speaker 2: From what I can tell, it seemed to be a
Speaker 2: genuine that the native tribes gave him the name.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Interesting, I can't tell you for sure. I wasn't there alone,
Speaker 2: No you weren't, No, no, no, I know.
Speaker 3: I thought this was a first hand account.
Speaker 2: There was another nickname that the Native Americans in the
Speaker 2: area called him. A member of the Oglala tribe there
Speaker 2: in South Dakota. All so they remembered that. She remembered
Speaker 2: actually that her people called Heart something else. See, there
Speaker 2: was this one time Elizabeth Old two gun Heart. He
Speaker 2: was a hiding amongst a group of Okohala children, right,
Speaker 2: just like I don't know how, but they were like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if they just hanging out playing games,
Speaker 2: and he's just, oh, yeah, we'll hang out with you
Speaker 2: kids anyway, bootleggers go by. He leaps out of this
Speaker 2: group of children and then he surprises the bootleggers, gets
Speaker 2: the drop on him, arrest them. The kids are they
Speaker 2: they come up with this nickname for this crazy lawman.
Speaker 2: They just start calling him Soiko, and Soiko loosely translates
Speaker 2: as Big Harry Boogeyman.
Speaker 3: Still sort of.
Speaker 4: Not contradicting insinuations that he is Native American. What do
Speaker 4: you mean, well, you said that when he first showed up.
Speaker 2: He never said that he was Native American. He didn't
Speaker 2: mind if people like.
Speaker 4: Guessed at it, right, But I'm saying so is he's
Speaker 4: still not contradicting it.
Speaker 2: He's still it was just local talk. It wasn't It's
Speaker 2: not that people in the federal agencies refer to him.
Speaker 2: That's not why he was brought to the Bureau of affairs.
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to be misleading that, No, that was
Speaker 2: just kind of like local gossip, you know, just as
Speaker 2: much many people thought that he was. You know, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter anyway. The point is Elizabeth, this guy the
Speaker 2: reason why people could like tolerate this personality, flashy throwback
Speaker 2: character and the.
Speaker 3: And the low rise gene.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly showing all that action. He was really good
Speaker 2: at everything he did.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 2: He would if they hit an okay in Homer, Nebraska,
Speaker 2: if they had like a parade, he would be the
Speaker 2: boss for the town's parades.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He'd also be like the preferred chef for picnics or
Speaker 2: for fish fries. Yeah. He was known for his fish
Speaker 2: fries and for his like picnics. Like he was like
Speaker 2: when I say this, he would hold court on like
Speaker 2: you'd tell all in Sundry anybody who came was the
Speaker 2: best way to cure mushrooms, or how to smoke fish,
Speaker 2: the best way or how to pickle meat to make
Speaker 2: your partner happy. Right. He was also handy with the
Speaker 2: music instruments, so he could like keep everybody, like, you know,
Speaker 2: smiling while they're eating. Yeah, he could play multiple musical instruments.
Speaker 2: He could play the mandolin, the fiddle, the guitar, the piano,
Speaker 2: musical saw what do you got he can play?
Speaker 3: How did he pick up all this talent?
Speaker 2: Is this super talented guy?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: And also how dope was it back before like the
Speaker 2: invention or the advent of radio, when most times people
Speaker 2: were your hanging out with could play musical instrument Yeah,
Speaker 2: because like everybody's did it. Yeah right, And like Keller
Speaker 2: here's he's playing like literally musical construction equipment. Like that's
Speaker 2: how good at music people got. They're like, oh, we
Speaker 2: can play a spoon, I can play a f Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: what you got lady's bottles? Anyway, I just wish we
Speaker 2: had people were playing more music at home. I think
Speaker 2: that's cool. I can't do it, but I just think
Speaker 2: it's cool. Anyway. Two gun Heart was all so good
Speaker 2: at shooting, as I pointed out right, he would give
Speaker 2: demos at local rodeos. He also had a hobby shop
Speaker 2: or in town. He fixed radios and he taught others
Speaker 2: about this new technology, the crystal set and all that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So like the people are like, why do we need
Speaker 2: a radio shack or whatever? And he's like this, you'll
Speaker 2: trust me, this will be a big deal. And like okay, Now,
Speaker 2: despite all his skills, all his abilities, always bravery, all
Speaker 2: of us heroics, all his charming pastimes, it was noteworthy
Speaker 2: that all thirty three years that he lives in Homer, Nebraska,
Speaker 2: Old two gun Heart makes no close friends none zero.
Speaker 9: Wait didn't he marry the He had a wife, and
Speaker 9: he has a wife right, and he has obviously has
Speaker 9: a also as a family, they raised four sons, and
Speaker 9: just the way he impressed the locals, he also impressed
Speaker 9: his sons, like with the shooting skills.
Speaker 2: Like one of his sons recalled the story elizabeth An,
Speaker 2: Old two gun Heart would have his boys go out
Speaker 2: and line up in the backyard, and then he'd place
Speaker 2: cigarettes in their mouthsfully and then he'd order his boys
Speaker 2: to stand real still, and then, using his pearl handled
Speaker 2: six shooters, he would shoot the cigarette butts in half,
Speaker 2: just cutting him in half of bullets.
Speaker 3: I'm praying that they were facing him in profile.
Speaker 2: Yes, of course in profile, So that's how good he
Speaker 2: wasn't shooting. He was got there and press by shooting
Speaker 2: for practice. I guess around the same time. This fame
Speaker 2: is a law man has spread far enough back east
Speaker 2: that in nineteen twenty seven, when the President of the
Speaker 2: United States comes out to the Black Hills to the
Speaker 2: South Dakota, he want, I want two Gun Heart to
Speaker 2: be my personal bodyguard. You certain Calvin Coolidge had two
Speaker 2: Gun Heart out there as to protect him. So capitalizing anyway,
Speaker 2: and all this rough and tumble appeal of the wild
Speaker 2: West still riding high on the prayer. The Associated Press
Speaker 2: they write a syndicated story about this throwback cowboy hero
Speaker 2: and they say, and I quote, Heart has had a
Speaker 2: hand in the capture of more than twenty murderers while
Speaker 2: covering twelve reservations. In the last year. He brought in
Speaker 2: three Indian killers. He has been a cowboy soldier and
Speaker 2: police officer a beat of more than two hundred square miles,
Speaker 2: with supervision over more than eight hundred his Heart's domain.
Speaker 2: He travels by foot, in car, horseback, on snowshoes and skis.
Speaker 2: His work is different from that of his regular officers
Speaker 2: or detectives, for the criminals he captures are outdoormen, and
Speaker 2: there are few informers who aid him. Yeah, right, So
Speaker 2: now to be fair and accurate, the twenty murderers was
Speaker 2: a little more alleged. That was not the official count,
Speaker 2: but anyway, that same year, nineteen twenty seven, he makes
Speaker 2: national news when he squares off he gets a true
Speaker 2: bad man. According to the Aberdeen Daily News, old two
Speaker 2: gun Heart was conducted in a raid on the Rosebud Reservation.
Speaker 2: He discovers one hundred gallon moonshine still and one angry
Speaker 2: moonshiner two gun Heart. He tells this moonshiner, a guy
Speaker 2: named Yancy, that he's under arrest, and Yancey familiar with
Speaker 2: two gun Heart. Everybody knows him if they're in the
Speaker 2: business of moonshine. He snarls at the lawman and tells
Speaker 2: him you didn't have them fancy shooting irons. I give
Speaker 2: you a good licking now, two gun Hearts like okay,
Speaker 2: bet so He loosens his holster, drops it off his
Speaker 2: hips and lets the pistols fall to his feet, and
Speaker 2: he says, all right, go ahead. The bootlegger Yancey charges
Speaker 2: the lawman, and, as the Aberdeen Daily News reports, Elizabeth
Speaker 2: Yancey succeeded in hitting Heart once with his fist and
Speaker 2: then picked up an iron bar and struck at him.
Speaker 2: Hart dodged the blow, falling on his shoulder. He then
Speaker 2: sailed into Yancey pummeled him so severely that Yancey was
Speaker 2: glad to cry.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: He was badly cutting bruised by the flying fists of
Speaker 2: the officer.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, So there's a fellow officer sus City, nother guy,
Speaker 2: local police captain. This guy named Paul Mummert. He often
Speaker 2: went out on raids with old two gun Heart and
Speaker 2: having seen the man at work, he was duly impressed
Speaker 2: as the old previous patrolman Stoner. Captain Mummert said, and
Speaker 2: I quote he could hit a bear bottle maybe at
Speaker 2: one hundred feet from either hip. He was a wonderful officer.
Speaker 2: Once we found it still in a cave, there was
Speaker 2: a lot of equipment there, and we hated the thought
Speaker 2: of lugging at all with us. Hearts it, I'll take
Speaker 2: care of it. He spilled gasoline all around. We told
Speaker 2: him he'd kill himself, but he just yelled, you boys
Speaker 2: get back, and he set the whole thing on fire
Speaker 2: from a few feet away, blew his ten gallon hat
Speaker 2: right off.
Speaker 3: Is not the safest birden.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, anyway, there was another time, when a
Speaker 2: rumor went out that Old two gun Heart had been
Speaker 2: shot and killed in a gunfight with bad men, and
Speaker 2: he wasn't seen for many days, the rumor was assumed
Speaker 2: to be true. Meanwhile, the locals, they all go out
Speaker 2: to the annual rodeo for some like homegrown entertainment. Who
Speaker 2: should ride up to the rodeo? But Old two gun
Speaker 2: Heart back from the dead. The locals went wild out
Speaker 2: the side of him, right like a gunfight in Jesus. Anyway,
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty something changes, I don't know, but to be honest,
Speaker 2: a lot of things changed. There's something called the Great Depression,
Speaker 2: and it was doing a number on the folks in
Speaker 2: the prairie. But no different for two gun Heart. He
Speaker 2: at this point he'd eye in a fight in Sioux's City. Yeah,
Speaker 2: the family of a man he'd arrested. They catch up
Speaker 2: to him and they beat him with brass knuckles and
Speaker 2: he loses an eye. And also so he gets a
Speaker 2: glass eye and to replace that, but his one good
Speaker 2: eye is also starting to go. So now he's like
Speaker 2: down to like half like a quarter vision.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, prohibition ends in nineteen thirty three, so he's out
Speaker 2: of a job, so he has to leave that behind.
Speaker 2: He gets his his glory days as a prohibition agent
Speaker 2: or now sun set it. He's got to get work.
Speaker 2: He works his arrange detectives. Now he's got to go
Speaker 2: out riding on a sore saddle, you know, like it's
Speaker 2: it's tough for an older guy. Now he's tracking down
Speaker 2: stolen livestock. You know, he's also working as a stock
Speaker 2: inspector for the ranchers the Cattleman. By nineteen thirty five, though,
Speaker 2: he's back in Homer, Nebraska. He's reappointed the town's marshal.
Speaker 2: They're like, wow, you know he's here's your badge bag.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Right, And so at this point he's accused of breaking
Speaker 2: into a grocery store late at night and stealing canned
Speaker 2: goods to feed his family. Oh no, one of the
Speaker 2: stories he's accused of stealing from was his own father
Speaker 2: in lawt store. Remember he owned a grocery store. Ye anyway,
Speaker 2: so it's full circle the grocer.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Anyway, So the town's Foklahomer. They were disappointed with their lawmen.
Speaker 2: But you know he's now a criminal.
Speaker 3: Disappointed in the townsfolk.
Speaker 4: This guy like did everything for you for years letting
Speaker 4: him suffer like that.
Speaker 2: You're a big character, You're so he loses his job
Speaker 2: as a marshal. He gets removed as the head of
Speaker 2: the American Legion. Also because somebody in the American Legion
Speaker 2: starts getting suspicious the old two gun Heart may not
Speaker 2: have gone off to war in Europe. So they contacted
Speaker 2: the Department of the Army and then requested his records,
Speaker 2: and the records were confirmed their suspicions were correct. He
Speaker 2: never actually served, never with the army. He's made up
Speaker 2: all his battlefield bravery and the medals pinned on my chest.
Speaker 2: But General Blackjack person himself.
Speaker 3: Trust the ones who crow about it.
Speaker 2: All a lie. So two Gun Heart had fallen on
Speaker 2: truly hard times. Yeah, now that the truth was coming
Speaker 2: out about him, the damn was broken because soon enough
Speaker 2: the full truth would be revealed. Elizabeth. Wait, when we
Speaker 2: got back, I'll tell you who two gun Heart really
Speaker 2: was and what that great American family he belonged to.
Speaker 2: All right, Elizabeth, ar you ready for the truth to
Speaker 2: be revealed, to be dropped?
Speaker 3: I am so excited for this.
Speaker 2: Okay. So the cat we've been calling two gun Heart,
Speaker 2: he was born in Italy you're correct. He was born
Speaker 2: in Naples, Italy, before he and his parents emigrated to
Speaker 2: the US.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: They first, as I told you, arrived in Canada. Then
Speaker 2: they moved to Brooklyn, where he was raised and he
Speaker 2: later became the eldest of a brood of kids. And
Speaker 2: that was all before he went out west. But when
Speaker 2: he was born, his name was James Vincenzo Capone.
Speaker 3: Stop.
Speaker 2: His younger were Ralph Bottles Capone and Al Scarface Capone.
Speaker 3: Get out of town?
Speaker 2: What two gun Heart, the old school wild West cowboy
Speaker 2: hero and Prohibition agent, was the big brother of Al Capone,
Speaker 2: the most notorious gangster and bootlegger of the Prohibition era.
Speaker 3: And he's just cracking school.
Speaker 2: Never heard I know, I've never heard this. How is
Speaker 2: this not a movie? How is this not a movie?
Speaker 2: This is one hundred true two gun Hard, So also
Speaker 2: get this. Two gun Heart once saved his baby brother,
Speaker 2: long before he earned his nickname is Scarface. This is
Speaker 2: back when the whole Capone family was living in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: And so one day, the older brother, he's the oldest brother, Vincenzo.
Speaker 2: He's out wandering the streets, chasing after some fun with
Speaker 2: his brothers and well, they run into some trouble because
Speaker 2: you know, it's just the sack of the day. And
Speaker 2: after it all went down, Vincenzo he has to leave
Speaker 2: town and baby brother al Capone. It sets him on
Speaker 2: his course to becoming the most famous gangster of all time.
Speaker 3: Huh.
Speaker 2: Their stories separate in the same moment. One becomes a
Speaker 2: law man, a great prohibition agent. One becomes the great
Speaker 2: prohibition gangster, all because of the same moment in time Vincenzo.
Speaker 2: Vincenzo changes his name, it becomes James Hart, and he.
Speaker 3: Got into trouble and that's what he had to run
Speaker 3: out of time.
Speaker 2: They both did.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 2: Here, let me just tell you about it, Elizabeth, I
Speaker 2: like you to picture it. It's Brooklyn, New York, nineteen
Speaker 2: oh four. At the moment, it's early evening on a
Speaker 2: summer night. The sun is hugging the horizon. Light still
Speaker 2: paints the faces of the tall new buildings and warms
Speaker 2: the streets that snow the horse droppers. Since it's nineteen
Speaker 2: oh four, nearly no one in New York has a car.
Speaker 2: It's a dynamic time though. In New York, Elizabeth, the
Speaker 2: city is being made a new, new architecture reaches high
Speaker 2: up into the sky, scraping at the clouds. Thus the
Speaker 2: nickname for these new stone faced edifices and an even
Speaker 2: more impressive steel boomed, glass skinned buildings. In this same year,
Speaker 2: nineteen oh four, the construction of the New York Subway
Speaker 2: is just starting. Wherever you look in Brooklyn you can
Speaker 2: see the borough is home to all manner of immigrants,
Speaker 2: people from across the globe. Many of them, most a
Speaker 2: lot of them are young kids who fill the streets
Speaker 2: in order to escape the cold water tenement buildings where
Speaker 2: their family members are all piled on top of one another.
Speaker 2: The street off of the youngs in space and freedom.
Speaker 2: And you, Elizabeth, are a flower merchant. You love to
Speaker 2: watch the case. You push your card into the street.
Speaker 7: And take their place among the road merchants, hawking their wares,
Speaker 7: their produce, whatever they want. You enjoy all the sights
Speaker 7: and the sounds of the Brooklyn street. The sound of
Speaker 7: the oyster men boasting of having the freshest selfish and
Speaker 7: the kosher of picklemen, and his sonorous voice advertising his
Speaker 7: delicious crunchy pickles. There's the sausage guy, the hot potato guy,
Speaker 7: the peanut man, likes to knock out a distinctive little
Speaker 7: rhythm on the barrel of his peanuts.
Speaker 2: It's a joyous cacophony. Into the scene. You spy a
Speaker 2: group of boys lately in Brooklyn. The boys have been
Speaker 2: engaging in these tremendous rock fights. Boys from neighboring streets
Speaker 2: meet in empty lots and alleys for armed combat. But
Speaker 2: their choice of combat arms is rocks, stones, chunks of
Speaker 2: brick masonry. In fact, a friend of yours, an older lady,
Speaker 2: she caught a stray rock just the other day. That's
Speaker 2: why you keep your eye on the boys as they
Speaker 2: make their way through the street market. You recognize this
Speaker 2: group of boys. It's the Capone brothers. You see that
Speaker 2: James Foncenzo Capone is out stalking the street the Brooklyn
Speaker 2: with his brothers Ralph and Frank and John and Albert.
Speaker 2: Baby brother Matthew, you must be still too young to
Speaker 2: take to the streets with his big brothers. The youngest
Speaker 2: of the brothers, the ones out on the street this
Speaker 2: evening is Albert, he's five years old, and the oldest
Speaker 2: is James Fonncenzo. He's twelve and the leader of the gang.
Speaker 2: He watched the boys as they head for the corner,
Speaker 2: but they don't make it before a second set of
Speaker 2: neighborhood boys meets them, and on site you can see
Speaker 2: it's about to go down. The second set of boys
Speaker 2: are all carrying rocks in their hands, ready for battle.
Speaker 2: They shout at each other. The Italian boys, the Copones
Speaker 2: and the other boys speaking with is that Irish lilt
Speaker 2: of English are all clearly neighborhood rivals, Elizabeth. You gauge
Speaker 2: the distance. You hope none of the boys have bad aim,
Speaker 2: but a strong arm. Then it happens. The rocks are tossed,
Speaker 2: stones are thrown, shouts turned to fists. Even though he's
Speaker 2: the youngest, baby brother out the Pone is given his all.
Speaker 2: He is fearless. Middle brothers John and frankly hold their
Speaker 2: own as well. Baby brother Out he's fighting a kid
Speaker 2: twice as big as them. One of the older Copone boys, Ralph,
Speaker 2: throws a boy into some fresh horse droppings. Kid lands
Speaker 2: face first in the steaming file. You kind of snicker.
Speaker 2: Ralph Pone laughs as well. Vincenzo is busy wrestling some
Speaker 2: big Irish boy. John and Frank grab produce from a
Speaker 2: cart and begin to pelt the other kids. And then, Elizabeth,
Speaker 2: you see baby brother al separated from his brothers. The
Speaker 2: bigger kid he's been fighting. He pulls out a knife.
Speaker 2: These kids don't play. You think to yourself, there's no
Speaker 2: signs of a cop walking the beat. No help. You
Speaker 2: hope someone comes by soon. Meanwhile, you see baby brother
Speaker 2: al Capone square up against this bigger kid, the one
Speaker 2: wielding the knife, and the kid uses it. He slashes
Speaker 2: al Capone, cutting him. Vincenzo Capone sees this, goes down.
Speaker 2: He runs over, tackles the knife building kids. Vincenzo hits
Speaker 2: the kid with so much forced the kid goes flying.
Speaker 2: He crashes into no through a plate glass window of
Speaker 2: a dress shop. Glass shatters, the boy disappears into the
Speaker 2: dress shop. You hear him cry. Finally, a beat cop
Speaker 2: turns the corner. The copone boy scatter. Meanwhile, you wonder,
Speaker 2: whin oh, when will the world be safe from those
Speaker 2: Compone brothers? Down boom, Elizabeth. That was it for Vincenzo
Speaker 2: Capon aka James Hard aka a two gun heart. As
Speaker 2: Marcellus Wallace once said in pulp fiction, you lost your
Speaker 2: la privileges. Vincenzo Capone had lost his Brooklyn privileges. Yes,
Speaker 2: so he has to leave town because he's pretty sure
Speaker 2: this rival gang there's more of them. The family's big,
Speaker 2: and the one he threw through the plate glass window.
Speaker 2: He's pretty sure the family will come looking for revenge.
Speaker 2: So this inciting incident, it makes Vincenzo Capone split town.
Speaker 2: He disappears into America. He saves his brother Al Capone,
Speaker 2: and then he leaves the family behind, travels west, becomes
Speaker 2: a real life cowboy and a prohibition agent. Oh and
Speaker 2: also to be clear, I should tell you this, that
Speaker 2: cut in the street fight is not the scars that
Speaker 2: he gets that makes him Scarface. Oh, I want to
Speaker 2: make sure that was. Yeah, he earns his notorious nickname.
Speaker 2: Later he gets three slices to the face and the
Speaker 2: neck from this angry gangster who was pissed off the
Speaker 2: young Al Capone told the gangster's baby sister that she
Speaker 2: had a nice caboose. Yeah. So, anyway, we already covered
Speaker 2: how two gun Hearts got his nickname. In past episodes,
Speaker 2: we talked about how Bottles Capone got his nickname. What
Speaker 2: a group of nickname? Answered the Capone boys, Bottles Scarface
Speaker 2: and Two Guns anyway, Once he left Brooklyn, ol Vincenzo
Speaker 2: Capone aka two Gun Heart, he never looks back, Elizabeth.
Speaker 2: I don't know how often he thought of his family
Speaker 2: back in New York while he was punching cows in
Speaker 2: Texas and shooting cigarettes out of the mouths of his
Speaker 2: boys in Homer, Nebraska. But it's worth recalling. Remember I
Speaker 2: said he never made any true friends. Yeah, Yeah, started
Speaker 2: to see anyway. Always a man of mystery, this local
Speaker 2: character kept everyone at arm's length. Was he had all
Speaker 2: in contact with his famous gangster family while he was
Speaker 2: busting bootleggers on the prairie. Had he been in contact them?
Speaker 2: And then he was pretending to go enlist in the
Speaker 2: army and fight in the Great War, Yeah, seems like not.
Speaker 2: I looked up. I could not find any reports or anything.
Speaker 2: So it seems that he just disappeared for a while,
Speaker 2: came back the Capone family. They knew nothing of what
Speaker 2: happened to young Vincenzo. Even if they would have seen
Speaker 2: one of his mini national news stories. The family obviously
Speaker 2: didn't recognize his new adopted identity because he's this guy
Speaker 2: James Hart.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they wouldn't connect it. Could you imagine they're reading
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: Photo it's some of the later pictures. There's clear photos
Speaker 2: of him in the paper. Yeah, means, and he looks
Speaker 2: like a copone, so but with a cowboy hat on
Speaker 2: a fancy vest.
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're not looking for it.
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, was he he's unaware of his younger brothers
Speaker 2: rise to fame in the criminal world. He has no
Speaker 2: idea what they're doing.
Speaker 3: We had to have known until they.
Speaker 2: Become scarface in the Chicago outfit. Yeah that's years later,
Speaker 2: from like nineteen o four to the twenties, right, right,
Speaker 2: So he kind of anyway, so he's following along. Once
Speaker 2: he does realize like, hey al Capone, that's my boy.
Speaker 2: Hey Ralph, this is my brother's right, So he starts
Speaker 2: following the news and he's not far Nebraska is not
Speaker 2: far from Chicago, No, not at all. So he has
Speaker 2: no idea his younger brothers are scarface and bottles until
Speaker 2: they are the Chicago Outfit and then they're famous, and
Speaker 2: he starts following their criminal careers, his baby brothers in
Speaker 2: the gangland wars. I. Meanwhile, he's a prohibition agent, so
Speaker 2: he can't really reach out to them, right, so he
Speaker 2: follows along in the news documenting the fight of the
Speaker 2: copone right, and obviously then the subsequent tax evasion trial
Speaker 2: for his brother, and then he sees his brother Al
Speaker 2: go to the rock. And this is nineteen thirty seven
Speaker 2: at this point. This is about the same time. Remember
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty five is when two Gun Heart goes
Speaker 2: back to Homer, Nebraska, becomes a marshall, and then he
Speaker 2: gets busted robbing the grocery store. So the half blind,
Speaker 2: glass eyed former lawman now reaches out to his family,
Speaker 2: his gangster family, and asks for help.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: So around the same time, Ralph Bottles Capone is pretty
Speaker 2: much in charge of the family. So he's been busted though,
Speaker 2: and he sent to prison and released. So he's the
Speaker 2: one who Two gun Heart reaches out to, and his
Speaker 2: baby brother sends out a family member to check the story.
Speaker 2: He's like, going down to Homer, Nebraska, I don't know
Speaker 2: where it is, go find it and then see this
Speaker 2: guy says he says he's related, right, So they send
Speaker 2: out like I think John Capone, one of the baby brothers,
Speaker 2: go test him. He didn't know him because he was
Speaker 2: so young. He's like, I don't know it could be
Speaker 2: a maybe he seems like but a man. Maybe somebody
Speaker 2: told him this, right, So he's like, okay, bring him
Speaker 2: back to Chicago. We'll have Mom decide.
Speaker 3: So oh man.
Speaker 2: Ralph Bottles Capone finally meets up with two gun Heart
Speaker 2: in Sioux City, Iowa, and then he goes and he
Speaker 2: brings him up to meet mom. He's not going to
Speaker 2: just have the younger son bring him to mom. He goes,
Speaker 2: bring him to Sue City, Iowa. They go and die.
Speaker 2: Then he he's like, they call him up Chicago to
Speaker 2: meet Ma. They arrived, they head out to the South Side,
Speaker 2: where Teresa Capone has a nuncio at this point has
Speaker 2: a big place that her boy's bought her. Right now,
Speaker 2: when Mama Capone sees her first born, what do you think,
Speaker 2: she says, I don't know. She cries out, that's my boy.
Speaker 2: Two gun Heart is officially home now. I don't know
Speaker 2: if he was still wearing his loud cowboy clothes, his
Speaker 2: ten his fancy vest and KICKI boots, but or it's
Speaker 2: pearl handle pistols. I mean his brothers would bust have
Speaker 2: been busting his balls if he did. Anyway, the family
Speaker 2: accepts him in bottles. Capone sets him up with some property,
Speaker 2: a summer retreat by the lake in Mercer, Wisconsin. He
Speaker 2: gets them some new clothes, they get him cleaned up.
Speaker 2: They put him on the family payroll, so he starts
Speaker 2: getting a monthly check. So then this would come back
Speaker 2: to bite two gun Heart in the backside. Yeah, maybe,
Speaker 2: because in nineteen thirty nine, younger brother al Capone is
Speaker 2: released from Alcatraz and when he gets out, big brother
Speaker 2: two gun Heart comes home for a family reunion. He
Speaker 2: meets his long loss gangster brother at the summer retreat
Speaker 2: and Mercer. He returns home, he tells his wife about, Hey, what' back? Okay,
Speaker 2: I got it, tell you something about my family. Eventually
Speaker 2: he tells his sons like, okay, there's something you need
Speaker 2: to know. You're you come from a very famous family. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like not the good guy infamous, a very infamous family.
Speaker 2: So he tells them you're not Hearts, you're Copones and
Speaker 2: then they go and the oldest he takes the oldest
Speaker 2: one to go meet him. In nineteen forty six, just
Speaker 2: after the Second World War is over, Two Gun Heart
Speaker 2: he brings his eldest son back to Chicago to meet
Speaker 2: the family, he meets his uncle Scarface and his uncle Bottles.
Speaker 2: By this point, Al Capone is suffering badly from syphilis.
Speaker 2: He's losing his mind. Right, it's not a pretty picture. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but he's still lucid enough that Two Gun Hearts like,
Speaker 2: we'll talk to my son, right, And then he's telling
Speaker 2: his son, don't listen to anything. He says, I don't
Speaker 2: want you to end up like him. We're still law abiders.
Speaker 2: But meanwhile, back on Homer, Nebraska, we're just starting to
Speaker 2: spread because the sons just could not help but tell
Speaker 2: somebody and seems, you know, boop, it gets slipped out.
Speaker 2: And then eventually a local banker noticed that two Guns
Speaker 2: was suddenly receiving weekly's cashier checks from a bank in Ciso, Illinois.
Speaker 2: And everybody knew what Ciso, Illinois was back then, the
Speaker 2: town that belongs Capone. So anyway, Two Gun Hearts he's
Speaker 2: still trying to pass it off as he's received this
Speaker 2: sizeable inheritance from his distant family. Subpar cover story, let
Speaker 2: me tell you, Lizabeth, it only added to the mystery
Speaker 2: of Two Gun Heart and oh, though true to his
Speaker 2: nature as a local character, he doesn't mind all the speculation, right,
Speaker 2: it makes it more colorful. His own brother in law, Harold,
Speaker 2: he discovers his secret, as he claims, all by himself
Speaker 2: and I quote, I figured out then who he was.
Speaker 2: The magazines had a lot of stories of the Capone
Speaker 2: funeral and the family, and all the family's first names
Speaker 2: were the same as the names of the Chicago relatives
Speaker 2: Dick always talked about. He was always talking Uncle Ralph.
Speaker 2: So you get the idea. Yeah, he busts him out
Speaker 2: and it was like, yeah, pretty good. It's like all
Speaker 2: Elizabeth move. So his brother Acapone passes away in forty seven,
Speaker 2: two gun Heart doesn't make the trip back for the funeral,
Speaker 2: though he was still trying to keep his secret identity unknown.
Speaker 2: Then in fifty one the full truth comes out because
Speaker 2: remember he gets to put on the family payroll. Well,
Speaker 2: the Feds go after Bottles Capone and then when they
Speaker 2: open up the books, boom, look what they find. It's
Speaker 2: two gun Heart, a prohibition agent getting a payoff from
Speaker 2: the Capone family makes him look all sorts of hanky.
Speaker 2: So when Bottles Copone is getting investigated, the authorities they
Speaker 2: dig through all his financial records. They follow the money
Speaker 2: trail they discover the long lost Capone brother on.
Speaker 5: Their own DA.
Speaker 2: Understandably, the agents are like, wait what because the full
Speaker 2: money trail revealed that he also had a summer retreated
Speaker 2: in Mercer, Wisconsin. And then so not only was he
Speaker 2: on the Copone family he ye role, he has property
Speaker 2: and there was other properties as well. Anyway, his own
Speaker 2: brother bottles Capone his defense attorneys. They subpoena two gun
Speaker 2: Heart to come and testify on his brother's behalf, and
Speaker 2: they in open federal court in Chicago. His wife's like,
Speaker 2: I am not going. He's like, maybe come on please,
Speaker 2: He's like, I am not going. Ze like I prefer
Speaker 2: to stay home tend my garden. Remember she's in Nebraska
Speaker 2: War at this point. So in the end she couldn't
Speaker 2: let her husband go face the music on his own.
Speaker 2: She makes the trip with him. She goes to Chicago.
Speaker 2: His sons at this point they still respect him, Like
Speaker 2: when the news comes around and they're asking him, well,
Speaker 2: what's what's it like having a Capone as a father,
Speaker 2: And they're like, you can say for me that he
Speaker 2: has been as fine a dad to me and my
Speaker 2: brother as anyone could ask for. I'm proud of him, Well,
Speaker 2: so there you go. Me, he's good dad. So guess
Speaker 2: they gotten over that whole shooting cigarettes out of the
Speaker 2: mouth period of time Capone family. The money hadn't changed
Speaker 2: them though, right. The family still maintained a comfortable two
Speaker 2: story white frame house, modest chickens, lush garden. They also
Speaker 2: had a cocker Spaniel named Danny. And I actually love
Speaker 2: it when dogs have human first names. All Danny, Gary, Ted.
Speaker 3: I always have dogs with human first na.
Speaker 2: I know you like Wallace.
Speaker 3: I loved Wallace.
Speaker 2: My mom's got Morty and Elliott. Yeah you got it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just tickles me so much. Anyway, too, got Hart
Speaker 2: his wife. They make the trip Chicago, he testifies an
Speaker 2: open cord on his brother's behalf secret is now fully out.
Speaker 2: It's like national news. Everyone's like, there's another Capone. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and he's a prohibition agent. Yeah, where's the cowboy boots? Also,
Speaker 2: his father in law call him too gun heart. So
Speaker 2: once they everybody know knows that he's a attached to
Speaker 2: al Capone and al Capone as a cowboy brother, you know,
Speaker 2: it's a whole thing. The locals in Homer, Nebraska, they
Speaker 2: start getting asked about it, and there are signs that
Speaker 2: they say the two Gun Heart was not your typical
Speaker 2: Western hero, right. For one, his flamboyant style of dress,
Speaker 2: well yeah, the big brimmed hats, the loud shirts and
Speaker 2: vest it was almost like he was like an Italian
Speaker 2: on the prairie. So there's this curious habit. Also of
Speaker 2: having a thick money roll on him. He was known
Speaker 2: to pull up fat water cash. People thought it was
Speaker 2: show money, but he would have like a roll of
Speaker 2: hundreds from the prairie. He's like a Chicago gangster coming
Speaker 2: into the general store.
Speaker 3: Was the father Capone? Was he crooked?
Speaker 2: Was he in the father the family, in the mafia,
Speaker 2: in the Naples? I do not know. I could not
Speaker 2: answer that well enough. I would assume there may have
Speaker 2: been some family, but I do not know. I have
Speaker 2: no idea. Where was I. Oh, yes, so he's in
Speaker 2: court at this point, right, So he's in Chicago. He's
Speaker 2: got federal court truths finally revealed, not whispered in, rumored anymore. Right,
Speaker 2: it's now inarguably revealed, big headlines two gun Hard. So
Speaker 2: someone asked him in court, like, now that everybody knows
Speaker 2: your secret, Well, I guess it's the prosecutor a person. Yes,
Speaker 2: the third row. What was a question, Two gun Hard,
Speaker 2: I got a it's more of a comment. Had a question.
Speaker 2: The prosecutor asked, Right now the world knows that you're
Speaker 2: a Capone. Are you going to keep your adopted name
Speaker 2: and identity? You can keep being a cowboy? Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you know he's on the witness stands here gun Hard.
Speaker 2: He thinks for a moment. He paused, I certainly am
Speaker 2: I've had it so long it's legal. Yeah, I guess.
Speaker 2: So that was a common law marriage on an identity.
Speaker 2: So when he asked if he was perturbed to learn
Speaker 2: that he was a compone, two gun Heart said, why
Speaker 2: should I be ashamed of it? I didn't have nothing
Speaker 2: to do with it. Oh yeah, it's true, right, I
Speaker 2: mean you can. Heart can't really argue with it. But
Speaker 2: this is where he must set down to this strange
Speaker 2: tale of American culture, because a short time later the
Speaker 2: next year, two Gun Heart aka Vincenzo Capone passed away
Speaker 2: in Homer, Nebraska. He leaves the world in the same
Speaker 2: town where he jumped out of that freight train thirty
Speaker 2: three years prior, looking for his piece of the American dream.
Speaker 2: He got it got it right so many ways. Many
Speaker 2: of those ways were an outright lie, but hey, whatever,
Speaker 2: this is America. So Elizabeth, what's our ridiculous takeaway?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am.
Speaker 4: I'm just fascinated by his ability to, uh, you know,
Speaker 4: it's so American and it's so Western to just redefine
Speaker 4: oneself and decide you're going to be something totally different convincingly.
Speaker 4: What I was asking about his father being you know,
Speaker 4: mafia adjacent or in it. You know, are these these
Speaker 4: little ticks that he picked up as a child of
Speaker 4: seeing his father walk around with hernt of cash or
Speaker 4: keeping cat But I mean, then again, you really didn't
Speaker 4: have to be in the mafia to keep cash like
Speaker 4: on a pillow. Yeah, and so you know, but the
Speaker 4: little things that it's the nature nurture. What is something
Speaker 4: that's just like inherent in him? And what little things
Speaker 4: did he pick up in the first twelve years of
Speaker 4: his life, oh, that he carried on with him as
Speaker 4: fascinating Zarin.
Speaker 2: Yes, Elizabeth, how you doing anyway? So I do have
Speaker 2: a ridiculous takeaway. Thanks, you're asking it's the same one
Speaker 2: as you basically, but instead of the father, I was
Speaker 2: thinking about it from his brother al Capone. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: al Capone and James Hard We do know about both
Speaker 2: of them. I don't know too much about the father.
Speaker 2: But when you compare Scarface and two Gun Heart, you
Speaker 2: see that the brothers basically, even though they're on the
Speaker 2: opposite sides or prohibition, they're very similar, right, They have
Speaker 2: very similar traits tendencies. They both like to live well,
Speaker 2: to look good, to be memorable characters. They opt to
Speaker 2: take risks, They use intelligence and violence to get their way.
Speaker 2: They have this undeniable sense of people. They know how
Speaker 2: to operate people, how to use their will to get
Speaker 2: the job done, like to enforce their will on reality,
Speaker 2: I mean, whatever the job may be. And they're both
Speaker 2: the sort of men that others like to talk about,
Speaker 2: and they liked to be talked about, and they generate
Speaker 2: a good copy and I obviously plenty of headlines. Sure,
Speaker 2: and they were both bigger than life. So maybe there's
Speaker 2: something about the nature of the nurture or who knows.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why not both?
Speaker 2: So anyways, they say, there you go, that's awesome. Yeah, prettucerd,
Speaker 2: we were thinking about a talkback just to clear the air.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Elizabeth, I would love that I
Speaker 2: got one for you. Here you go. Oh god, oh
Speaker 2: my god, super I love ge.
Speaker 5: Hi.
Speaker 8: My name is Elizabeth and I just listened to the
Speaker 8: Byzantium episode. It reminded me of a personality we have
Speaker 8: here in Memphis who calls himself Prince Mango and says
Speaker 8: he's from the planet Zambodia, born there open three hundred
Speaker 8: years ago. He says he's sent here to save the earth.
Speaker 8: He ran for mayor of Memphis and Shelby County multiple
Speaker 8: times in the eighties and nineties and always lost. He
Speaker 8: eventually opened a nightclub and a property called Ashlar Hall, and.
Speaker 3: That has since closed. But it's ridiculous, ridiculous and awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Elizabeth. From one Elizabeth to another. That was
Speaker 4: a great I like that well.
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