WEBVTT - "Two Gun Hart": The Lawman With the Big Secret!

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<v Speaker 1>Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth Dunton, Saren Burnett. How are you doing? I'm great,

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<v Speaker 2>you ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I do what you just got right to it?

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<v Speaker 3>Listen here.

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<v Speaker 4>You know you've seen that movie Deadpool, silly guy and

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<v Speaker 4>a costume.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, yeah, Momentarily I was thinking of like a

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<v Speaker 2>Clint Eastwood eighties movie, isn't.

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<v Speaker 3>That I think there might be one?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Anyway, go on, yeah, Deadpool, the comic guy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the comic Yeah, the Ryan Reynolds.

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<v Speaker 3>Ryan Reynolds, And you're like, are you spider Man?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. Are you lippier.

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<v Speaker 3>Lippier spider Man?

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<v Speaker 4>And then now he's got one with the hairy fella,

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<v Speaker 4>the Wolverine, the.

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<v Speaker 2>Nail and with the attitude and the.

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<v Speaker 5>Nail.

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<v Speaker 2>I love Wolverine.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, okay, so you know there's that movie coming out right? Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm aware, and like I would think that there's a

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<v Speaker 4>big crossover that a lot of people who like the

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<v Speaker 4>movie also liked it.

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<v Speaker 3>You just stop it right now? Can I finish a lot?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm totally listen. I'm not guessing where you're going at all.

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<v Speaker 4>Go on across over yourself a lot of people who

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<v Speaker 4>watched those kind of movies also play video games.

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<v Speaker 3>That's to say today.

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<v Speaker 2>That's is that ridiculous?

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<v Speaker 4>No, I got more. I got more, and that's so

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<v Speaker 4>it's so ridiculous. Okay, So anyway, Xbox right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not familiar.

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<v Speaker 3>You like an Xbox xbox in your life?

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<v Speaker 2>My cousin does.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know.

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<v Speaker 4>The the controllers, yes, yes, the buttons with your hands

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<v Speaker 4>and your hands in your face.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>And so they've made a special controller for the Xbox

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<v Speaker 4>uh designed by Deadpool, it says, okay, means it's business

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<v Speaker 4>in the front, party in the back.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not a mullet, it's not a hairy controller.

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<v Speaker 4>It had it looks like the surface of it looks

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<v Speaker 4>like Deadpool's red and black leather costs.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh sure, so I got a leathery controller in my head.

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<v Speaker 4>And I also just really quickly tell you that don't

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<v Speaker 4>blame me, blame Barb from Instagram for bringing this forward.

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<v Speaker 3>God blissard.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, anyway, so that it's like the surface of the

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<v Speaker 4>controller is like the leather of his cost it. Sure,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm with you, But then the back of it has

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<v Speaker 4>butt cheeks.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm showing you right now? Do you see this?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's got.

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<v Speaker 4>Juicy booty boy, straight up juicy booty, Elliott Stabler level

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<v Speaker 4>juicy booty.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be distracting during gameplay.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 4>So it's called the Cheeky Controller and you hold on

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<v Speaker 4>to his butns will you wiggle his buttons in the

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<v Speaker 4>front and the press release said quotes designed by the

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<v Speaker 4>MRK with a mouth himself. It also comes I don't

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<v Speaker 4>even know what that means. It comes clad in the

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<v Speaker 4>anti heroes, instantly recognizable and might we add incredibly flattering

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<v Speaker 4>red and black tactical suit.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's only one Captain America.

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<v Speaker 3>It only created one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to make only one.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta go to their sweep steaks. And it said

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<v Speaker 3>that you had to look at a post on Twitter.

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<v Speaker 2>They called it x whatever whatever. How many times have

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<v Speaker 2>you entered this contest?

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<v Speaker 3>I have not because I don't have an Xbox.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you want that control, you have to.

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<v Speaker 4>Go to Twitter and then you do these other things

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<v Speaker 4>and it's like whatever. You have to have a Twitter account,

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<v Speaker 4>so I can't enter.

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<v Speaker 2>It's true, you don't have Twitter.

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<v Speaker 4>It ends August eleventh, and you have eighteen or older.

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<v Speaker 2>I still got a Twitter account.

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<v Speaker 3>I just I can't believe you still have a Twitter account.

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<v Speaker 2>Why anyway, still swimming in film?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, go swim and filth, grab some cheek, play a little,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, diddle around on the front.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, say a little the.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and then a thousand people who they'll get an

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<v Speaker 4>Xbox Elite Wireless controller Series two Core?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they paying you to say all this?

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<v Speaker 4>I wish I wish they would give me things. It

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<v Speaker 4>just gives me things.

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<v Speaker 2>You're out here just freelance, like.

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<v Speaker 4>All of these companies I promote. They're insane idea, and

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<v Speaker 4>so many people get excited about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Not me.

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<v Speaker 3>Tens of people get excited about it, and so they

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<v Speaker 3>should be just I don't pay me to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Just send me the stuff, like send.

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<v Speaker 2>Her the butt controller, get this woman control.

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<v Speaker 3>I just need free stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>There.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you need more free stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't get anything free.

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<v Speaker 2>I just meant stuff for.

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<v Speaker 3>Shine, more stuff. So in summary, that's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>That is oh my goodness is why did they make

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<v Speaker 2>this one? I mean this one? I guess supply and

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<v Speaker 2>demand anyway special you know, uh, you know what else

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<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous you tell me sit back down. Okay, imagine

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<v Speaker 2>this right, just this whole scenario, Elizabeth, you base your

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<v Speaker 2>like you're a person. You're like, oh, I'm feeling like

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<v Speaker 2>I don't really know who I am and other people

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<v Speaker 2>don't know who I am. I'm gonna make that more

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<v Speaker 2>clear to them. Right, So you decided to like change

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<v Speaker 2>your persona, your public persona, and you base your whole

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<v Speaker 2>new identity on a character from a movie. Okay, and

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<v Speaker 2>then people they accept it because you're like, you're really

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<v Speaker 2>can to the bit. They're like, whatever, that's just two

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<v Speaker 2>gun heart right, Because it turns out that like you

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<v Speaker 2>decided to be like a movie cowboy, I tho's your

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<v Speaker 2>thing in life. Okay, but also this is like a

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<v Speaker 2>while ago, so little it wasn't so weird to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>It was still weird. But anyway, turns out you also

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<v Speaker 2>have a big bad secret, and you're not sure if people,

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<v Speaker 2>if they knew about your big bad secret, if they'd

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<v Speaker 2>be so forgiving of your cosplay as an old timey

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<v Speaker 2>Western hero.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, it's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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<v Speaker 2>Heis and cons It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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<v Speaker 2>and one hundred percent ridiculous. Yes, oh, Elizabeth, Oh, zaren Today,

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<v Speaker 2>I've got a doozy for you. It's another sequel. Oh yes,

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<v Speaker 2>it's another installment in my ongoing coverage of strange but

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<v Speaker 2>true tales from one of America's most American families.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, who's that?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not going to tell you. May be wondering

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<v Speaker 2>what FAMI were you talking about. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you. Okay, it's a great question, Elizabeth. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll tell you when the time is right. How

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<v Speaker 2>about that. I promise you. That's my guarantee. That's the

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<v Speaker 2>Zara and Burnett guarantee. Okay now, but for now, I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to introduce you to Richard James two gun Heart.

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<v Speaker 3>Richard James two gun Heart.

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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned him up top, two gun Heart. Yeah, this

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<v Speaker 2>is his story.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm confused.

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<v Speaker 2>I know you should be. I'm not helping you much,

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<v Speaker 2>so Old James Heart that's how he was known mostly.

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<v Speaker 2>He was born in eighteen ninety two, okay, right at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the Old West era. He's like I

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<v Speaker 2>made it kind of, He's like, I'm just gonna squeeze

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<v Speaker 2>it out. So he stretches it out and he makes

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<v Speaker 2>it last longer. Anyway, the age of three, though, he

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<v Speaker 2>first came to America as an immigrant from whence did

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<v Speaker 2>he Well, I will tell you that, but uh no,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to tell you that. You know what

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<v Speaker 2>his father that was a barber. His father was named Gabrielle,

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<v Speaker 2>and his mother, her name was Teresa Heart Yeah, well

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<v Speaker 2>whatever from she was a seamstress. Okay, right, Remember I

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<v Speaker 2>said the guy's a big secret, so don't get so

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<v Speaker 2>hung up on names.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, at the age of the three, I told you

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<v Speaker 2>immigrant got the parents Gabrielle, Teresa, right, Barbara seamstress.

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<v Speaker 3>He gets not rich, would you say, eighteen ninety five

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<v Speaker 3>he gets.

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<v Speaker 2>Here basically yeah, because yeah, because eighteen ninety two he

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<v Speaker 2>was born eighteen ninety five. He arrives here three years old. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>parents they start in Canada, but they make their way

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<v Speaker 2>down to Brooklyn, New York. They there make a home.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, we're still around eighteen ninety five, eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>six in America, everyone calls his cat James. That's where

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<v Speaker 2>he starts getting known as James. Now soon enough, he's

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<v Speaker 2>got a bunch of siblings, right, Mom and Pop, just

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<v Speaker 2>keep me at it, right, they don't stop all of a

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<v Speaker 2>sudden's Ralph Frank Armina, John Albert Matthew Mafalda. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>I I could keep going. That's it. That's all all

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<v Speaker 2>the kids right now. Anyway. In nineteen oh four, at

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<v Speaker 2>the age of twelve, James he leaves home. He goes west,

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<v Speaker 2>and as he put it, he was looking for adventure.

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<v Speaker 2>What year nineteen oh four four he finds very young,

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<v Speaker 2>very young, twelve. He finds work with a traveling circus,

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<v Speaker 2>working as a roustabout. So he's helping to set up

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<v Speaker 2>the big tent, take it down when the circus hits

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<v Speaker 2>sound right, So later he finds other work. He goes down.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a oiling windmills in Texas. Oh yeah, it sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a euphemism, doesn't it totally?

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<v Speaker 3>In Texas Cleveland ice cream, so he also done.

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<v Speaker 2>While he was in Texas, he roped steers for the ranchers.

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<v Speaker 2>He starts getting into the cowboy life. Sometime around nineteen eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>James Hard He hops off the freight train in a

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<v Speaker 2>little town called Homer, Nebraska. It's like homy Nevadam Homer, Nebraska,

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<v Speaker 2>was a spring day Elizabeth. Town of Homer was about

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<v Speaker 2>sixteen miles west from the Missouri River. On the opposite bank.

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<v Speaker 2>In the east sat the town of Sioux City, Iowa.

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<v Speaker 2>So not too far from the Iowa state line. Yeah

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<v Speaker 2>got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Ok.

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<v Speaker 2>He arrives in town, James hard he said, Nebraska is

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<v Speaker 2>a big state. I don't want you going too far west.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in the deep midwest of.

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<v Speaker 3>H Deere Country is totally corn country, John Deer country.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it? Imagine? Yeah, anyway, but a little early

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<v Speaker 2>on that, but still stick with that idea. Now, when

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<v Speaker 2>he arrives in town, James Hardy looks like just about

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<v Speaker 2>any other hobo who might be riding the rails at

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<v Speaker 2>that time, and he's looking for, you know, a better

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow somewhere else. The young man he finds work in

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<v Speaker 2>this small town, which is not easy, but he gets

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<v Speaker 2>work as a house painter. Right now, when locals are

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<v Speaker 2>asking like, what brings you to town there, James, and

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<v Speaker 2>he's like, oh, well, he tells them he used to

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<v Speaker 2>be working on a railroad gang like laying track totally.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, he's a hard worker, young kid. Now

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<v Speaker 2>the folks of Homer. They accept this hard work and newcomer.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells everyone that his full name is Richard Jay Hart,

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<v Speaker 2>but call him James Jim Hart, James Hart. His eyes

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<v Speaker 2>are intelligent, Elizabeth Alive. The locals. They find that he

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<v Speaker 2>is quote gifted with a frank and open countenance. All right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just like a big, friendly guy. But he's not a

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<v Speaker 2>tall guy. He's lean and strong. He's also well muscled

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<v Speaker 2>at this point from working all these hard jobs. He

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<v Speaker 2>has thick black hair, dark eyes, alive complexion, his nose

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<v Speaker 2>suggests that he might be not from northern Europe, right,

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<v Speaker 2>But most folks in Homer, Nebraska, they're used to doing

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<v Speaker 2>the calculus different. They're like, oh, maybe part Mexican, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>part Native American, if anyone asks, though, he tells his

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<v Speaker 2>people his people are from Oklahoma, so that of course

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<v Speaker 2>plays into the whole idea. He may be from Indian.

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<v Speaker 3>Territory because you see Italian.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good guess, Elizabeth. And anyway, so his story

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<v Speaker 2>makes sense to folks in Nebraska. Yeah, they're like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>five civilized tribes probably are his people. Whatever he knocked about,

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<v Speaker 2>like a lot of people do. And now he's here

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<v Speaker 2>at Homer, Nebraska. Yeah, he's a good hard work I

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<v Speaker 2>like that guy with the really bright eyes. Anyway, soon

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<v Speaker 2>enough he finds more work in town. He gets work

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<v Speaker 2>as as a wall like a wallpaper hanger, and also

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<v Speaker 2>house painter obviously related tasks yea. Then he becomes a

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<v Speaker 2>railroad timekeeper. Apparently they trust him. He's good with the watch.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>The longer he stays in town Elizabeth, the more the

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<v Speaker 2>locals learn about this friendly newcomer. And then he tells

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<v Speaker 2>tales of his time down in Texas, like, oh, tell

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<v Speaker 2>us more about busting broncos and punching cows and helping

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<v Speaker 2>round up strays and stuff. They love it. Everybody loves

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<v Speaker 2>a good cowboy story.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He tells them about getting in gun fights with bad men.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, this guy's amazing. Nineteen seventeen rules around you

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<v Speaker 2>know what happens? Then us enters the Great War in Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a young man. He's like, oh, I'm gonna go

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<v Speaker 2>off in enlist and protect freedom and stuff.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets sent overseas to the bloody battlefields of France Elisabe.

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<v Speaker 2>But he survives, wow, because he fights with General Blackjack

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<v Speaker 2>Pershing and the US Expeditionary Forces so well that he

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<v Speaker 2>gets awarded medals and stuff.

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<v Speaker 5>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>After the war, he returns to Homer, Nebraska. He regales

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<v Speaker 2>the locals with tales of all of his battlefield bravery.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like, oh, that's amazing. He's just like he did

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<v Speaker 2>in Texas. Right. Oh, he's this guy. They're they're thinking

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<v Speaker 2>they got a real life hero in town.

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<v Speaker 4>Right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he's telling telling stories Elizabeth, a gunfire exchanges

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<v Speaker 2>with the hun right, and he how he been personally

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<v Speaker 2>decorated with a a medal for sharp shooting and bravery

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<v Speaker 2>by General Blackjack Pershing himself pinned it on his chest.

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<v Speaker 8>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's why he was so good a shot with

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<v Speaker 2>the Bochee. That's what they called the Germans back then. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>for proof of all, takes out the Jerry. There you go, now,

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<v Speaker 2>proof of his marksmanship. This war tested soldier. He puts

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<v Speaker 2>on a demonstration for the locals of Homer. He has

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<v Speaker 2>a row of tin cans and glass bottles all lined

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<v Speaker 2>up on a fence behind the American Legion hal because

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<v Speaker 2>all the old veterans they want to see the guys

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<v Speaker 2>who had fought in like the Spanish American War. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>there before all the other veterans, Elizabeth, he pops every

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<v Speaker 2>single cannon bottle on the rail with his six shooter pistols,

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<v Speaker 2>just like he did over on the French battlefield. Yeah huh,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, now he's around the same time he fully

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<v Speaker 2>adopts his new persona. So because before he's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>knocking about Texas. Now he's got these people going along

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<v Speaker 2>with it. He's gonna be the town's hero.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So not onlys you call himself James Hart in honor

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<v Speaker 2>of William S. Hardt, who's this big cowboy star of

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<v Speaker 2>the Silent film era. He starts to pattern his behavior

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<v Speaker 2>after this silent movies and his look. So he starts

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<v Speaker 2>looking like a real picture house cowboy hero walking around Homer, Nebraska.

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<v Speaker 3>And they don't know he's from New York City.

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<v Speaker 2>No, no, not not in the real West, this immigrant

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<v Speaker 2>boy from Brooklyn. He's cosplaying as a real life cowboy.

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<v Speaker 2>He picks up a pair of cowboy boots, tall heels, Elizabeth,

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<v Speaker 2>he starts to wear wide like whoa hey, six inch heels,

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<v Speaker 2>wide brim, ten gallons stetson cowboy hat make.

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<v Speaker 4>A huge like beach blanket, Babylon and stiletto cowboy.

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<v Speaker 3>I have got the picture in my head on.

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<v Speaker 2>He also wears a fancy vest that's always described as

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<v Speaker 2>a fancy.

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<v Speaker 4>Vest, one of those like embroidered Grandma Ones Teddy Bears

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<v Speaker 4>at a picnic.

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<v Speaker 2>There's tassels on it. Now around his waist, he's wearing

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<v Speaker 2>a low slung holster. Oh got a pair of pearl

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<v Speaker 2>handled six shooters.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and no pants.

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<v Speaker 2>He looks and actually basically a dime novel rendition of

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<v Speaker 2>a Wild West cowboy.

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<v Speaker 4>In my head, he's like one of the sisters of

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<v Speaker 4>perpetual insults exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>It's amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>So this silver screen buckero he's out we was. He

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<v Speaker 2>practices his looks so much and also though it matches

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<v Speaker 2>his skills, he actually is a quick trick Okay, he's

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<v Speaker 2>good with pistols, like I said earlier, and so nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen yearlls around right after the war May in nineteen nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>James Harden becomes an actual town hero when he exhibits

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<v Speaker 2>bravery in an emergency Elizabeth Townhomer's flooded and I'm talking flooded,

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<v Speaker 2>like flash floodwaters, like just wash over the farmland, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the farmhouses have water up to the rooflines, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>hard paddling around and this churning floodwaters, and he's saving

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<v Speaker 2>townspeople from rooftop to rooftop. Pill pulls some people from trees. Wow,

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<v Speaker 2>oh yeah, totally here. At one point he saves a

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<v Speaker 2>little girl from drowning. Then he turns around and goes

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<v Speaker 2>back to save the family of the local grocer. The

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen year old daughter of the grocer. So impressed, she

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<v Speaker 2>falls in love.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh she was ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, she's warm for his form, Elizabeth. So the

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<v Speaker 2>pair they fall in love get married in the fall

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<v Speaker 2>of that same year. Now he's happily married hero of

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<v Speaker 2>the town. When they had the big flood, he starts

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<v Speaker 2>to you know, really bury his old identities and just

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<v Speaker 2>submerge it so no one, not even his wife, will

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<v Speaker 2>ever know about any of his time back east. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's just a cowboy from Oklahoma. Now he lives out

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<v Speaker 2>this fantasy so much that he starts to believe it,

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<v Speaker 2>at least mostly the small town council. They're impressed with

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<v Speaker 2>this guy, though, Man, we should have him like become

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<v Speaker 2>more important town because of how lucky we had have

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<v Speaker 2>such a brave, heroic guy, and they nam him what

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<v Speaker 2>the new Marshal, So like, oh, you be our Marshall star.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like an old movie. Yeah, would you be the Marshall?

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<v Speaker 2>So the American Legion they elect him commander of the Post.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like your charge of all the veterans. If we

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<v Speaker 2>ever have to, like, you know, do anything, you get.

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<v Speaker 4>To say who does and doesn't get to have an

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<v Speaker 4>event at our hall exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Boy Scouts of America they name him the district Commissioner,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't know what that means, but he was

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<v Speaker 2>named district commissioner. So now he's an official town father

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<v Speaker 2>so to speak. Yeah, same year, in nineteen nineteen, major

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<v Speaker 2>change comes to America, one that would initiate a whole

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<v Speaker 2>new area in American life. Do you remember what that was?

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<v Speaker 3>Flew?

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's a good one. That totally that's a we

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<v Speaker 2>would take that answer. This was jeopardy. But on January sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen nineteen, it was I had a couple answers available.

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<v Speaker 2>The US ratified the eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution making

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<v Speaker 2>production of liquor, wine and.

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<v Speaker 5>Beer and legel.

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<v Speaker 2>Then much later, when they realized, oh, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>pay people to enforce this. Local cops are just totally corrupt.

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<v Speaker 2>We need to actually get some federals on this. So

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<v Speaker 2>they on October twenty ninth, nineteen nineteen, Congress passes the

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<v Speaker 2>Volstead Act, which is the law that provides for enforcement,

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<v Speaker 2>thus creating the prohibition agents. Right, So this also marks

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<v Speaker 2>effect technically the official start of prohibition. So nineteen nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>either one you want to pick January sixteenth or October

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth, Yeah, boom, there you go over or combine them,

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<v Speaker 2>just say nineteen nineteen whatever. Almost as soon as prohibition

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<v Speaker 2>becomes the law on the land, bootleg liquor and speakeasy

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<v Speaker 2>start to spread across America. The Volstat Act, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as I tell, they provided for law enforcement to fight

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<v Speaker 2>this spread of like bathtub gin and the rise of

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<v Speaker 2>the rum runners, like your man, the real McCoy right. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the men who stepped up to fight for

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<v Speaker 2>prohibition was local town hero and Marshall Lahomer, Nebraska one.

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<v Speaker 2>James Hart.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, I just can't get with the drinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, now he's about Elizabeth. He's about to become

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<v Speaker 2>a prohibition cowboy. Oh wow, Yeah, he's got there raiding Stills.

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<v Speaker 2>He was one hell of a badass lawman, which you

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<v Speaker 2>rarely will hear me say. But I do believe in

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<v Speaker 2>the rule of law, right, I got to say that

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<v Speaker 2>straight up. But I'm not always rooting for the villains

0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.359
<v Speaker 2>and the criminals. Sometimes when a lawman is this bad ass,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't help but root for him. Elizabeth, I'm very

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<v Speaker 2>excited to get into the next but let's take a

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<v Speaker 2>little break and after this all these sweet sweet ads,

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<v Speaker 2>I will tell you about how my man James Hart

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<v Speaker 2>becomes a prohibition cowboy.

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<v Speaker 5>Excellent, Elizabeth, ze, we're bad Hi.

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<v Speaker 2>So nineteen nineteen, Yeah, remember that. They It was like

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<v Speaker 2>the Black Sox scandal Baseball, someone like, oh, they rigged

0:18:14.080 --> 0:18:18.160
<v Speaker 2>the World Series? What's going on? Arline Rods Team way

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<v Speaker 2>out West. Prohibition has come to America and has spread everywhere. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so everything starts to change. Jazz becomes the music of

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<v Speaker 2>the day, race relations start to change because everyone's drinking

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<v Speaker 2>together in these illegal speakeasies. The mafia enjoys this tremendous

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<v Speaker 2>rise in power, going from like local crime leaders to

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<v Speaker 2>regional and then so national syndicates. We also have radio

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<v Speaker 2>and silent movies. They kind of create this national culture

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<v Speaker 2>of like celebrities and identity. Everyone's like, oh, we all

0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.399
<v Speaker 2>know the same people. And also, of course, as you

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<v Speaker 2>pointed out, the ravages of the Spanish Flu and World

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<v Speaker 2>War One are still coursing through the culture. We got

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch of like broken vets and broken bodies from

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<v Speaker 2>the Spanish Flu, and now no one's supposed to have

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<v Speaker 2>a drink. Yeah, well, obviously that's a no go solution.

0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:04.320
<v Speaker 2>So crime starts to run rampant money floods into the

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<v Speaker 2>black market. Good and decent people's become everyday criminals as

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<v Speaker 2>they sip on their moonshine and their bootleg Canadian whiskey. Yeah, harrow,

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<v Speaker 2>great times, Elizabeth. I wish I could have been there anyway,

0:19:13.400 --> 0:19:16.720
<v Speaker 2>entered James Hart. He's given official commission as a prohibition

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<v Speaker 2>agent in nineteen twenty. Ok right, so right at the

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<v Speaker 2>start it jumps in both boots. He's like, all right, yeah,

0:19:22.240 --> 0:19:23.919
<v Speaker 2>got my pearls.

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<v Speaker 3>Girls.

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<v Speaker 2>So in October he runs his first liquor rate. How

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<v Speaker 2>do you think it went?

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<v Speaker 3>Great?

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<v Speaker 5>Good cat?

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<v Speaker 2>He hears about moonshine stills in this town called Randolph, Right,

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<v Speaker 2>so he goes to town disguises as a day laborer

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<v Speaker 2>goes undercover.

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<v Speaker 3>He just like hunches over and I love the undercover.

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<v Speaker 2>Puts stirred on his face.

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<v Speaker 4>He gets all shoes, splashes water on himself like, oh,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm so sweaty.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been laboring all day because I am a day laborer. Like, oh, sir,

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<v Speaker 3>came here is a so thirsty Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>He wanders out into the woods as his day laborer. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>he finds signs of a still like maybe like puffs

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<v Speaker 2>of smoke or he smells it. I don't know. He

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<v Speaker 2>draws closer and then he runs his raid. He busts

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<v Speaker 2>twenty moonshiners pretty much on his own. Coincidentally becomes an

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<v Speaker 2>embarrassment for the city fathers of nearby Randolph because a

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<v Speaker 2>number of them are rounded up in the rain. Right yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So after this first successful rad he follows up for

0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:20.600
<v Speaker 2>the second one. They're like, oh yeah. He goes over

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<v Speaker 2>to Spencer, Nebraska, doesn't really matter again small town, and

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<v Speaker 2>again he embarrasses these small town fathers. In this case

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<v Speaker 2>it's the actual town marshal who he busts in the raid.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh whoa yeah. And when he does that, he tries

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<v Speaker 2>to arrest the marshall. A local official like a deputy,

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<v Speaker 2>comes out. He goes, you can't arrest the marshal. He's like,

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<v Speaker 2>you bomb to rest in the marshall.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a marshall too.

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<v Speaker 2>So they accused James Hart of disturbing the peace. They

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<v Speaker 2>get him on charges of disturbing the peace. Like, I'm arrested,

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<v Speaker 2>You're arrested. It was, yeah, So he doesn't take no

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<v Speaker 2>lip Elizabeth. So the men get into a fight. So

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<v Speaker 2>now the law is tussling and wrestling and James Hard

0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:55.040
<v Speaker 2>he had to let the marshall go because there was

0:20:55.080 --> 0:20:56.840
<v Speaker 2>more of them than there were of him. So this

0:20:56.960 --> 0:20:59.520
<v Speaker 2>rare loss has stuck with him. He's like, corrupt local law,

0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.919
<v Speaker 2>I don't try. I'm only sticking with my feder rallies.

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<v Speaker 2>So he then decides, you know, to go alone far

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<v Speaker 2>more often anyway. Nineteen twenty one rolls around, James Hart's

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<v Speaker 2>becoming a household name for all of his liquor aids.

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<v Speaker 2>Right the Homer Star local paper, they said, quote, He's

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<v Speaker 2>becoming such a menace in the state that his name

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<v Speaker 2>alone carries terror to the heart of every criminal.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, thirty years later, in nineteen fifty one, the Saint

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<v Speaker 2>Louis Dispatch. They also wrote about James Hart. By then

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<v Speaker 2>his real identity was no longer a secret. But the

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<v Speaker 2>article look back at his early days as this cavalier

0:21:30.680 --> 0:21:34.280
<v Speaker 2>marauding prohibition agent. And the article Elizabeth, they recalled how

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<v Speaker 2>the locals felt about James Hart, and they said, and

0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:41.200
<v Speaker 2>I quote, that he was there, scarlet Pimpernel, their hero.

0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.320
<v Speaker 2>In one month alone, he cleaned out thirty stills. All

0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Nebraska watched and cheered as Heart decked out in high

0:21:48.560 --> 0:21:52.320
<v Speaker 2>heeled cowboy boots, ten Gallon had in pearl handled shooting irons,

0:21:52.440 --> 0:21:56.840
<v Speaker 2>crusaded against crime. End quote. So a picture of them

0:21:56.840 --> 0:22:00.760
<v Speaker 2>out there on the prairie and his high heels. I

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<v Speaker 2>gotta say, that's a reference you don't hear anymore. It's

0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:04.080
<v Speaker 2>the scarlet Pimpernel.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh I know, right?

0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Did you like the Scarlet Pimpernel? Do you know it?

0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Scarlet Pimpernel?

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:09.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yes, I am familiar.

0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:11.080
<v Speaker 2>When I was a boy growing up in the South,

0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:12.879
<v Speaker 2>I saw the old movie because it was on like

0:22:13.040 --> 0:22:15.840
<v Speaker 2>Turner TBS Turners because he liked all those old movies.

0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:17.479
<v Speaker 2>And I thought that guy was awesome. Right, there's this

0:22:17.600 --> 0:22:19.959
<v Speaker 2>rich guy who you know once again can usually hear

0:22:19.960 --> 0:22:21.680
<v Speaker 2>me go. I was rid for the rich guy, but anyway,

0:22:21.840 --> 0:22:25.040
<v Speaker 2>he's a hero. At night, he's like Zorrow or a batman.

0:22:25.280 --> 0:22:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Is this rich guy at night goes crusading, But in

0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:31.120
<v Speaker 2>the daytime he's this total fop total he's like pathetic,

0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:34.359
<v Speaker 2>he can't do anything. He's got the new Yeah exactly.

0:22:34.400 --> 0:22:36.720
<v Speaker 2>And everyone's like, oh, you know, it couldn't have been him,

0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:39.040
<v Speaker 2>because we know it's one person it's not is this

0:22:39.080 --> 0:22:41.639
<v Speaker 2>guy now who in this world couldn't be? And I

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<v Speaker 2>thought that was amazing because the kid had taught me

0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:45.720
<v Speaker 2>that people will look past what they see right in

0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:47.199
<v Speaker 2>front of him as long as you're glad to think

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<v Speaker 2>you're pathetic.

0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:48.120
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

0:22:48.600 --> 0:22:51.240
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, I thought that was great. So James Hart, he

0:22:51.359 --> 0:22:54.480
<v Speaker 2>was their scarlet Pimpernel, and they didn't know how true

0:22:54.520 --> 0:22:57.639
<v Speaker 2>it was Elizabeth because he had a secret identity just

0:22:57.720 --> 0:22:59.800
<v Speaker 2>like the scarlet Pimpernel. But anyway, as far as what

0:22:59.840 --> 0:23:03.359
<v Speaker 2>they saw, they get this badass lawman. One fellow lawman

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<v Speaker 2>of the Sioux City Patrolman, Alan Stoner, I found in

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<v Speaker 2>an old newspaper. Had to read a bunch of old

0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:09.760
<v Speaker 2>newspapers for this yeah. He recounted a time that James

0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Hart once had to square up with a bootlegger he

0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:13.800
<v Speaker 2>was trying to arrest, but the bootlegger didn't want to

0:23:13.800 --> 0:23:16.199
<v Speaker 2>throw hands with him. He wanted to test how fast

0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:19.440
<v Speaker 2>James Heart was with those pearl handled shooting irons. So

0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:20.919
<v Speaker 2>James already he wasn't in the mood to kill a

0:23:20.960 --> 0:23:22.760
<v Speaker 2>man though, he's a man of peace, so he told

0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:25.160
<v Speaker 2>him he'd have to sort it out with their fists instead.

0:23:25.359 --> 0:23:28.240
<v Speaker 2>How fast are you with those things? So, as patrolman

0:23:28.320 --> 0:23:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Alan Stoner recalls quote, they fought for an hour right

0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.760
<v Speaker 2>on the street with everybody watching, until finally the whiskey

0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:37.480
<v Speaker 2>runner gave up and Heart took him in. It was

0:23:37.520 --> 0:23:39.639
<v Speaker 2>a big moment in my life, made me decide to

0:23:39.640 --> 0:23:43.680
<v Speaker 2>become an officer myself. An hour hour, Elizabeth. They fought

0:23:43.720 --> 0:23:46.760
<v Speaker 2>in the street for an hour, well whatever, forty five minutes,

0:23:46.800 --> 0:23:50.439
<v Speaker 2>twenty minutes. Anything longer than like seven to ten minutes

0:23:50.520 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 2>is like a pretty.

0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.600
<v Speaker 3>It's a long time. I mean, it was a lot

0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.280
<v Speaker 3>of it, just like chasing each other.

0:23:55.119 --> 0:23:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Around, throwing dirt each other's eyes, just.

0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:58.720
<v Speaker 3>Like ducking behind bildings.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to trip each other's high heels.

0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, snapping the high heel off, Yeah.

0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.439
<v Speaker 2>Knocking hats off. So eund this time in the nineteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 2>at the height of the prohibition, James Hart becomes this

0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 2>fixtured local headlines but also syndicated nationally. He starts becoming

0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:15.000
<v Speaker 2>this character. So you have these local headlines in later

0:24:15.119 --> 0:24:17.720
<v Speaker 2>national months. But here's an example Elizabeth State Agent Heart

0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:22.119
<v Speaker 2>cleans up Cedar County. R. J. Hart battles gamblers, Heart

0:24:22.200 --> 0:24:26.399
<v Speaker 2>fines more Moonshine, Dick Hart and Homer Tuesday trailing thieves.

0:24:26.440 --> 0:24:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Now he's just everyone's paying attention to this guy. He

0:24:29.040 --> 0:24:32.080
<v Speaker 2>is there like I don't know, like wild Bill Hiccocks anyway.

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:35.320
<v Speaker 2>He's just like a Wild West character come back to

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:37.639
<v Speaker 2>life at a time where they were totally losing the West.

0:24:38.119 --> 0:24:39.320
<v Speaker 2>How is this guy still.

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<v Speaker 4>Out there doing this Heartland you know, voice of the

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:46.000
<v Speaker 4>law and arm of the law. It makes for great

0:24:46.200 --> 0:24:49.000
<v Speaker 4>entertainment and wire stories when you live in other places.

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<v Speaker 2>Totally everyone's digging it.

0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:53.160
<v Speaker 4>They can imagine that what it's looking like him walking

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:54.200
<v Speaker 4>around with them high heel.

0:24:56.280 --> 0:24:58.280
<v Speaker 2>So, with his growing fame on the prairie, my man

0:24:58.359 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 2>James Hard is invited to become a prohibition agent for

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the Bureau of Indian Affairs. That's because illegal liquor was

0:25:03.960 --> 0:25:05.360
<v Speaker 2>a scourge on the reservations.

0:25:05.560 --> 0:25:05.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Side note, Elizabeth, do you know where the term bootlegging

0:25:08.640 --> 0:25:09.159
<v Speaker 2>comes from?

0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:12.760
<v Speaker 3>I had something to do with stick in the bottles

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:14.320
<v Speaker 3>and the boots.

0:25:14.400 --> 0:25:16.840
<v Speaker 2>Very good. I'll give you a hint. Indian Territory. Back

0:25:16.880 --> 0:25:18.880
<v Speaker 2>in the day, it was illegal to import liquor into

0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Indian reservations, but people would still do it because customers

0:25:21.760 --> 0:25:24.479
<v Speaker 2>would pay top dollar for good whiskey. So to sneak

0:25:24.480 --> 0:25:27.320
<v Speaker 2>liquor into reservations back in the day, a fellow on horseback,

0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:28.959
<v Speaker 2>he didn't have anything like you can't be like, oh,

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 2>look at my wagon, you don't want that. Yeah, So

0:25:30.880 --> 0:25:34.239
<v Speaker 2>they would just slip like flasks and bottles into their

0:25:34.280 --> 0:25:36.040
<v Speaker 2>boots and bootlegging.

0:25:36.080 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 3>Bootlegging.

0:25:36.920 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you go anyway. Bureau of Indian Affairs, they've

0:25:38.920 --> 0:25:41.240
<v Speaker 2>been in the business of prohibition long before anyone else

0:25:41.240 --> 0:25:43.520
<v Speaker 2>got into it. As my point, so they're like, hey,

0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 2>we'd love to have a go getter like James Hart

0:25:45.359 --> 0:25:47.639
<v Speaker 2>join our team and really get us some good headlines.

0:25:47.960 --> 0:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>So he gets sent out to the Yankton Indian Reservation

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:53.240
<v Speaker 2>in South Dakota. Right, he shows up in his fancy

0:25:53.359 --> 0:25:57.680
<v Speaker 2>western vest, his high heeled cowboy boots, his brim stetson,

0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 2>cowboy hat. Maybe a little mess scara, I don't know,

0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 2>low slung holster. He learns to speak the local Omaha

0:26:04.520 --> 0:26:07.119
<v Speaker 2>and La Coda dialects. He's a serious guy. Right, So

0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 2>the tribal leaders they like him. They give this lawman

0:26:09.160 --> 0:26:12.280
<v Speaker 2>a nickname. They start calling him two gun Heart, two

0:26:12.320 --> 0:26:14.520
<v Speaker 2>gun And we're local reporters and they hear about this.

0:26:14.600 --> 0:26:16.920
<v Speaker 2>They of course they start talking about how two gun

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.800
<v Speaker 2>Heart did this, two Gun Heart did that becomes his nickname,

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:22.160
<v Speaker 2>and then that spreads his fame across the nation.

0:26:22.560 --> 0:26:24.680
<v Speaker 3>Give him the nickname or did he start telling people

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:25.600
<v Speaker 3>they were calling him that.

0:26:25.880 --> 0:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>From what I can tell, it seemed to be a

0:26:27.359 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 2>genuine that the native tribes gave him the name.

0:26:30.200 --> 0:26:30.440
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:26:30.520 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, I can't tell you for sure. I wasn't there alone,

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:34.000
<v Speaker 2>No you weren't, No, no, no, I know.

0:26:34.119 --> 0:26:35.679
<v Speaker 3>I thought this was a first hand account.

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 2>There was another nickname that the Native Americans in the

0:26:38.280 --> 0:26:41.080
<v Speaker 2>area called him. A member of the Oglala tribe there

0:26:41.080 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 2>in South Dakota. All so they remembered that. She remembered

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:46.919
<v Speaker 2>actually that her people called Heart something else. See, there

0:26:47.000 --> 0:26:50.320
<v Speaker 2>was this one time Elizabeth Old two gun Heart. He

0:26:50.480 --> 0:26:53.600
<v Speaker 2>was a hiding amongst a group of Okohala children, right,

0:26:53.760 --> 0:26:55.879
<v Speaker 2>just like I don't know how, but they were like,

0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if they just hanging out playing games,

0:26:57.880 --> 0:26:59.480
<v Speaker 2>and he's just, oh, yeah, we'll hang out with you

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 2>kids anyway, bootleggers go by. He leaps out of this

0:27:02.840 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 2>group of children and then he surprises the bootleggers, gets

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 2>the drop on him, arrest them. The kids are they

0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.200
<v Speaker 2>they come up with this nickname for this crazy lawman.

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:15.520
<v Speaker 2>They just start calling him Soiko, and Soiko loosely translates

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:16.840
<v Speaker 2>as Big Harry Boogeyman.

0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 3>Still sort of.

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:27.159
<v Speaker 4>Not contradicting insinuations that he is Native American. What do

0:27:27.160 --> 0:27:29.280
<v Speaker 4>you mean, well, you said that when he first showed up.

0:27:29.520 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 2>He never said that he was Native American. He didn't

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 2>mind if people like.

0:27:32.520 --> 0:27:34.400
<v Speaker 4>Guessed at it, right, But I'm saying so is he's

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 4>still not contradicting it.

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:38.680
<v Speaker 2>He's still it was just local talk. It wasn't It's

0:27:38.680 --> 0:27:41.040
<v Speaker 2>not that people in the federal agencies refer to him.

0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:43.679
<v Speaker 2>That's not why he was brought to the Bureau of affairs.

0:27:43.720 --> 0:27:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't mean to be misleading that, No, that was

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:48.679
<v Speaker 2>just kind of like local gossip, you know, just as

0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.320
<v Speaker 2>much many people thought that he was. You know, it

0:27:51.359 --> 0:27:56.320
<v Speaker 2>doesn't matter anyway. The point is Elizabeth, this guy the

0:27:56.440 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 2>reason why people could like tolerate this personality, flashy throwback

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:02.040
<v Speaker 2>character and the.

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:03.240
<v Speaker 3>And the low rise gene.

0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:07.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly showing all that action. He was really good

0:28:07.880 --> 0:28:08.760
<v Speaker 2>at everything he did.

0:28:08.920 --> 0:28:09.879
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's what it sounds like.

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 2>He would if they hit an okay in Homer, Nebraska,

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 2>if they had like a parade, he would be the

0:28:14.080 --> 0:28:15.240
<v Speaker 2>boss for the town's parades.

0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:18.679
<v Speaker 2>He'd also be like the preferred chef for picnics or

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.600
<v Speaker 2>for fish fries. Yeah. He was known for his fish

0:28:21.640 --> 0:28:24.119
<v Speaker 2>fries and for his like picnics. Like he was like

0:28:24.160 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 2>when I say this, he would hold court on like

0:28:26.200 --> 0:28:28.760
<v Speaker 2>you'd tell all in Sundry anybody who came was the

0:28:28.760 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 2>best way to cure mushrooms, or how to smoke fish,

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:33.440
<v Speaker 2>the best way or how to pickle meat to make

0:28:33.480 --> 0:28:36.639
<v Speaker 2>your partner happy. Right. He was also handy with the

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:39.320
<v Speaker 2>music instruments, so he could like keep everybody, like, you know,

0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:43.320
<v Speaker 2>smiling while they're eating. Yeah, he could play multiple musical instruments.

0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.280
<v Speaker 2>He could play the mandolin, the fiddle, the guitar, the piano,

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 2>musical saw what do you got he can play?

0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.000
<v Speaker 3>How did he pick up all this talent?

0:28:51.160 --> 0:28:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Is this super talented guy?

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:28:52.600 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 2>And also how dope was it back before like the

0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:59.160
<v Speaker 2>invention or the advent of radio, when most times people

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 2>were your hanging out with could play musical instrument Yeah,

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.960
<v Speaker 2>because like everybody's did it. Yeah right, And like Keller

0:29:04.000 --> 0:29:07.720
<v Speaker 2>here's he's playing like literally musical construction equipment. Like that's

0:29:07.720 --> 0:29:10.200
<v Speaker 2>how good at music people got. They're like, oh, we

0:29:10.240 --> 0:29:12.560
<v Speaker 2>can play a spoon, I can play a f Oh yeah,

0:29:12.760 --> 0:29:18.040
<v Speaker 2>what you got lady's bottles? Anyway, I just wish we

0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 2>had people were playing more music at home. I think

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 2>that's cool. I can't do it, but I just think

0:29:21.760 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 2>it's cool. Anyway. Two gun Heart was all so good

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:26.800
<v Speaker 2>at shooting, as I pointed out right, he would give

0:29:26.800 --> 0:29:29.920
<v Speaker 2>demos at local rodeos. He also had a hobby shop

0:29:30.040 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 2>or in town. He fixed radios and he taught others

0:29:32.280 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 2>about this new technology, the crystal set and all that.

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:35.120
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.560
<v Speaker 2>So like the people are like, why do we need

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.200
<v Speaker 2>a radio shack or whatever? And he's like this, you'll

0:29:39.240 --> 0:29:41.760
<v Speaker 2>trust me, this will be a big deal. And like okay, Now,

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 2>despite all his skills, all his abilities, always bravery, all

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:47.520
<v Speaker 2>of us heroics, all his charming pastimes, it was noteworthy

0:29:47.560 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 2>that all thirty three years that he lives in Homer, Nebraska,

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:54.480
<v Speaker 2>Old two gun Heart makes no close friends none zero.

0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.080
<v Speaker 9>Wait didn't he marry the He had a wife, and

0:29:57.160 --> 0:29:59.880
<v Speaker 9>he has a wife right, and he has obviously has

0:29:59.880 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 9>a also as a family, they raised four sons, and

0:30:03.040 --> 0:30:04.880
<v Speaker 9>just the way he impressed the locals, he also impressed

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:06.240
<v Speaker 9>his sons, like with the shooting skills.

0:30:06.240 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 2>Like one of his sons recalled the story elizabeth An,

0:30:08.640 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Old two gun Heart would have his boys go out

0:30:10.320 --> 0:30:12.160
<v Speaker 2>and line up in the backyard, and then he'd place

0:30:12.240 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 2>cigarettes in their mouthsfully and then he'd order his boys

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 2>to stand real still, and then, using his pearl handled

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 2>six shooters, he would shoot the cigarette butts in half,

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:23.640
<v Speaker 2>just cutting him in half of bullets.

0:30:23.680 --> 0:30:26.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm praying that they were facing him in profile.

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, of course in profile, So that's how good he

0:30:30.960 --> 0:30:33.360
<v Speaker 2>wasn't shooting. He was got there and press by shooting

0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:39.560
<v Speaker 2>for practice. I guess around the same time. This fame

0:30:39.640 --> 0:30:41.760
<v Speaker 2>is a law man has spread far enough back east

0:30:41.760 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>that in nineteen twenty seven, when the President of the

0:30:43.800 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 2>United States comes out to the Black Hills to the

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:48.520
<v Speaker 2>South Dakota, he want, I want two Gun Heart to

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:53.160
<v Speaker 2>be my personal bodyguard. You certain Calvin Coolidge had two

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.320
<v Speaker 2>Gun Heart out there as to protect him. So capitalizing anyway,

0:30:56.320 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 2>and all this rough and tumble appeal of the wild

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:01.120
<v Speaker 2>West still riding high on the prayer. The Associated Press

0:31:01.120 --> 0:31:04.040
<v Speaker 2>they write a syndicated story about this throwback cowboy hero

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 2>and they say, and I quote, Heart has had a

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:08.840
<v Speaker 2>hand in the capture of more than twenty murderers while

0:31:08.840 --> 0:31:11.520
<v Speaker 2>covering twelve reservations. In the last year. He brought in

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:14.200
<v Speaker 2>three Indian killers. He has been a cowboy soldier and

0:31:14.280 --> 0:31:17.520
<v Speaker 2>police officer a beat of more than two hundred square miles,

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:20.240
<v Speaker 2>with supervision over more than eight hundred his Heart's domain.

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>He travels by foot, in car, horseback, on snowshoes and skis.

0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:27.480
<v Speaker 2>His work is different from that of his regular officers

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:31.560
<v Speaker 2>or detectives, for the criminals he captures are outdoormen, and

0:31:31.640 --> 0:31:35.440
<v Speaker 2>there are few informers who aid him. Yeah, right, So

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 2>now to be fair and accurate, the twenty murderers was

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:39.640
<v Speaker 2>a little more alleged. That was not the official count,

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 2>but anyway, that same year, nineteen twenty seven, he makes

0:31:42.520 --> 0:31:44.560
<v Speaker 2>national news when he squares off he gets a true

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.640
<v Speaker 2>bad man. According to the Aberdeen Daily News, old two

0:31:47.680 --> 0:31:50.600
<v Speaker 2>gun Heart was conducted in a raid on the Rosebud Reservation.

0:31:50.680 --> 0:31:55.080
<v Speaker 2>He discovers one hundred gallon moonshine still and one angry

0:31:55.160 --> 0:31:57.640
<v Speaker 2>moonshiner two gun Heart. He tells this moonshiner, a guy

0:31:57.720 --> 0:32:00.520
<v Speaker 2>named Yancy, that he's under arrest, and Yancey familiar with

0:32:00.520 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 2>two gun Heart. Everybody knows him if they're in the

0:32:02.120 --> 0:32:05.200
<v Speaker 2>business of moonshine. He snarls at the lawman and tells

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:07.760
<v Speaker 2>him you didn't have them fancy shooting irons. I give

0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>you a good licking now, two gun Hearts like okay,

0:32:11.400 --> 0:32:14.680
<v Speaker 2>bet so He loosens his holster, drops it off his

0:32:14.760 --> 0:32:16.760
<v Speaker 2>hips and lets the pistols fall to his feet, and

0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 2>he says, all right, go ahead. The bootlegger Yancey charges

0:32:20.480 --> 0:32:23.760
<v Speaker 2>the lawman, and, as the Aberdeen Daily News reports, Elizabeth

0:32:24.240 --> 0:32:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Yancey succeeded in hitting Heart once with his fist and

0:32:26.920 --> 0:32:29.280
<v Speaker 2>then picked up an iron bar and struck at him.

0:32:29.360 --> 0:32:31.840
<v Speaker 2>Hart dodged the blow, falling on his shoulder. He then

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>sailed into Yancey pummeled him so severely that Yancey was

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:36.240
<v Speaker 2>glad to cry.

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:36.640
<v Speaker 4>You know.

0:32:37.400 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 2>He was badly cutting bruised by the flying fists of

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:40.680
<v Speaker 2>the officer.

0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:41.400
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:32:41.680 --> 0:32:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Yes, anyway, So there's a fellow officer sus City, nother guy,

0:32:44.520 --> 0:32:48.120
<v Speaker 2>local police captain. This guy named Paul Mummert. He often

0:32:48.160 --> 0:32:50.560
<v Speaker 2>went out on raids with old two gun Heart and

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 2>having seen the man at work, he was duly impressed

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:56.520
<v Speaker 2>as the old previous patrolman Stoner. Captain Mummert said, and

0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.080
<v Speaker 2>I quote he could hit a bear bottle maybe at

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:02.520
<v Speaker 2>one hundred feet from either hip. He was a wonderful officer.

0:33:02.640 --> 0:33:04.560
<v Speaker 2>Once we found it still in a cave, there was

0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:06.680
<v Speaker 2>a lot of equipment there, and we hated the thought

0:33:06.720 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 2>of lugging at all with us. Hearts it, I'll take

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:12.000
<v Speaker 2>care of it. He spilled gasoline all around. We told

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 2>him he'd kill himself, but he just yelled, you boys

0:33:14.280 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 2>get back, and he set the whole thing on fire

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 2>from a few feet away, blew his ten gallon hat

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:20.120
<v Speaker 2>right off.

0:33:23.400 --> 0:33:25.200
<v Speaker 3>Is not the safest birden.

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:27.560
<v Speaker 2>No, no, no, anyway, there was another time, when a

0:33:27.680 --> 0:33:29.400
<v Speaker 2>rumor went out that Old two gun Heart had been

0:33:29.400 --> 0:33:31.920
<v Speaker 2>shot and killed in a gunfight with bad men, and

0:33:31.960 --> 0:33:34.840
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't seen for many days, the rumor was assumed

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:36.760
<v Speaker 2>to be true. Meanwhile, the locals, they all go out

0:33:36.800 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 2>to the annual rodeo for some like homegrown entertainment. Who

0:33:39.880 --> 0:33:42.320
<v Speaker 2>should ride up to the rodeo? But Old two gun

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 2>Heart back from the dead. The locals went wild out

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 2>the side of him, right like a gunfight in Jesus. Anyway,

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 2>nineteen thirty something changes, I don't know, but to be honest,

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:53.880
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things changed. There's something called the Great Depression,

0:33:53.920 --> 0:33:55.360
<v Speaker 2>and it was doing a number on the folks in

0:33:55.400 --> 0:33:58.959
<v Speaker 2>the prairie. But no different for two gun Heart. He

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:02.280
<v Speaker 2>at this point he'd eye in a fight in Sioux's City. Yeah,

0:34:02.320 --> 0:34:04.239
<v Speaker 2>the family of a man he'd arrested. They catch up

0:34:04.240 --> 0:34:06.040
<v Speaker 2>to him and they beat him with brass knuckles and

0:34:06.040 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 2>he loses an eye. And also so he gets a

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:10.399
<v Speaker 2>glass eye and to replace that, but his one good

0:34:10.400 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 2>eye is also starting to go. So now he's like

0:34:12.560 --> 0:34:14.239
<v Speaker 2>down to like half like a quarter vision.

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:14.600
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.000
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, prohibition ends in nineteen thirty three, so he's out

0:34:17.040 --> 0:34:19.000
<v Speaker 2>of a job, so he has to leave that behind.

0:34:19.040 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 2>He gets his his glory days as a prohibition agent

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.000
<v Speaker 2>or now sun set it. He's got to get work.

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.319
<v Speaker 2>He works his arrange detectives. Now he's got to go

0:34:26.320 --> 0:34:28.440
<v Speaker 2>out riding on a sore saddle, you know, like it's

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.080
<v Speaker 2>it's tough for an older guy. Now he's tracking down

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 2>stolen livestock. You know, he's also working as a stock

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:37.080
<v Speaker 2>inspector for the ranchers the Cattleman. By nineteen thirty five, though,

0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:40.280
<v Speaker 2>he's back in Homer, Nebraska. He's reappointed the town's marshal.

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:42.439
<v Speaker 2>They're like, wow, you know he's here's your badge bag.

0:34:42.520 --> 0:34:42.759
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:34:42.960 --> 0:34:45.120
<v Speaker 2>Right, And so at this point he's accused of breaking

0:34:45.160 --> 0:34:48.720
<v Speaker 2>into a grocery store late at night and stealing canned

0:34:48.719 --> 0:34:51.040
<v Speaker 2>goods to feed his family. Oh no, one of the

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:53.399
<v Speaker 2>stories he's accused of stealing from was his own father

0:34:53.480 --> 0:34:56.320
<v Speaker 2>in lawt store. Remember he owned a grocery store. Ye anyway,

0:34:56.560 --> 0:34:58.240
<v Speaker 2>so it's full circle the grocer.

0:34:58.360 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Anyway, So the town's Foklahomer. They were disappointed with their lawmen.

0:35:01.840 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 2>But you know he's now a criminal.

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:05.000
<v Speaker 3>Disappointed in the townsfolk.

0:35:05.080 --> 0:35:07.840
<v Speaker 4>This guy like did everything for you for years letting

0:35:07.920 --> 0:35:08.719
<v Speaker 4>him suffer like that.

0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.399
<v Speaker 2>You're a big character, You're so he loses his job

0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 2>as a marshal. He gets removed as the head of

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:15.719
<v Speaker 2>the American Legion. Also because somebody in the American Legion

0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 2>starts getting suspicious the old two gun Heart may not

0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 2>have gone off to war in Europe. So they contacted

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:23.440
<v Speaker 2>the Department of the Army and then requested his records,

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.759
<v Speaker 2>and the records were confirmed their suspicions were correct. He

0:35:26.840 --> 0:35:29.400
<v Speaker 2>never actually served, never with the army. He's made up

0:35:29.400 --> 0:35:31.919
<v Speaker 2>all his battlefield bravery and the medals pinned on my chest.

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.560
<v Speaker 2>But General Blackjack person himself.

0:35:34.760 --> 0:35:37.439
<v Speaker 3>Trust the ones who crow about it.

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:38.640
<v Speaker 2>All a lie. So two Gun Heart had fallen on

0:35:38.840 --> 0:35:41.399
<v Speaker 2>truly hard times. Yeah, now that the truth was coming

0:35:41.440 --> 0:35:43.680
<v Speaker 2>out about him, the damn was broken because soon enough

0:35:43.680 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the full truth would be revealed. Elizabeth. Wait, when we

0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.680
<v Speaker 2>got back, I'll tell you who two gun Heart really

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 2>was and what that great American family he belonged to.

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 2>All right, Elizabeth, ar you ready for the truth to

0:36:16.640 --> 0:36:18.720
<v Speaker 2>be revealed, to be dropped?

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:20.000
<v Speaker 3>I am so excited for this.

0:36:20.280 --> 0:36:22.600
<v Speaker 2>Okay. So the cat we've been calling two gun Heart,

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:26.759
<v Speaker 2>he was born in Italy you're correct. He was born

0:36:26.760 --> 0:36:30.719
<v Speaker 2>in Naples, Italy, before he and his parents emigrated to

0:36:30.760 --> 0:36:31.160
<v Speaker 2>the US.

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:31.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:36:32.000 --> 0:36:33.920
<v Speaker 2>They first, as I told you, arrived in Canada. Then

0:36:33.960 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 2>they moved to Brooklyn, where he was raised and he

0:36:36.200 --> 0:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>later became the eldest of a brood of kids. And

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:41.000
<v Speaker 2>that was all before he went out west. But when

0:36:41.040 --> 0:36:44.799
<v Speaker 2>he was born, his name was James Vincenzo Capone.

0:36:45.360 --> 0:36:45.840
<v Speaker 3>Stop.

0:36:46.080 --> 0:36:50.640
<v Speaker 2>His younger were Ralph Bottles Capone and Al Scarface Capone.

0:36:50.680 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 3>Get out of town?

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:55.720
<v Speaker 2>What two gun Heart, the old school wild West cowboy

0:36:55.800 --> 0:36:59.279
<v Speaker 2>hero and Prohibition agent, was the big brother of Al Capone,

0:37:00.440 --> 0:37:03.359
<v Speaker 2>the most notorious gangster and bootlegger of the Prohibition era.

0:37:03.480 --> 0:37:05.080
<v Speaker 3>And he's just cracking school.

0:37:07.719 --> 0:37:10.799
<v Speaker 2>Never heard I know, I've never heard this. How is

0:37:10.800 --> 0:37:13.160
<v Speaker 2>this not a movie? How is this not a movie?

0:37:13.160 --> 0:37:17.800
<v Speaker 2>This is one hundred true two gun Hard, So also

0:37:17.880 --> 0:37:20.520
<v Speaker 2>get this. Two gun Heart once saved his baby brother,

0:37:20.600 --> 0:37:23.040
<v Speaker 2>long before he earned his nickname is Scarface. This is

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.280
<v Speaker 2>back when the whole Capone family was living in Brooklyn.

0:37:25.400 --> 0:37:28.840
<v Speaker 2>And so one day, the older brother, he's the oldest brother, Vincenzo.

0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:31.279
<v Speaker 2>He's out wandering the streets, chasing after some fun with

0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.479
<v Speaker 2>his brothers and well, they run into some trouble because

0:37:33.520 --> 0:37:35.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just the sack of the day. And

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 2>after it all went down, Vincenzo he has to leave

0:37:37.600 --> 0:37:40.799
<v Speaker 2>town and baby brother al Capone. It sets him on

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.560
<v Speaker 2>his course to becoming the most famous gangster of all time.

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:44.560
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

0:37:44.680 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Their stories separate in the same moment. One becomes a

0:37:48.120 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 2>law man, a great prohibition agent. One becomes the great

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:54.000
<v Speaker 2>prohibition gangster, all because of the same moment in time Vincenzo.

0:37:55.160 --> 0:37:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Vincenzo changes his name, it becomes James Hart, and he.

0:37:57.680 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Got into trouble and that's what he had to run

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:00.120
<v Speaker 3>out of time.

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:00.919
<v Speaker 2>They both did.

0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:01.399
<v Speaker 5>Well.

0:38:01.440 --> 0:38:03.320
<v Speaker 2>Here, let me just tell you about it, Elizabeth, I

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>like you to picture it. It's Brooklyn, New York, nineteen

0:38:09.480 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 2>oh four. At the moment, it's early evening on a

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:15.320
<v Speaker 2>summer night. The sun is hugging the horizon. Light still

0:38:15.400 --> 0:38:18.920
<v Speaker 2>paints the faces of the tall new buildings and warms

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:21.520
<v Speaker 2>the streets that snow the horse droppers. Since it's nineteen

0:38:21.560 --> 0:38:23.439
<v Speaker 2>oh four, nearly no one in New York has a car.

0:38:23.760 --> 0:38:25.960
<v Speaker 2>It's a dynamic time though. In New York, Elizabeth, the

0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 2>city is being made a new, new architecture reaches high

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.800
<v Speaker 2>up into the sky, scraping at the clouds. Thus the

0:38:31.920 --> 0:38:35.760
<v Speaker 2>nickname for these new stone faced edifices and an even

0:38:35.840 --> 0:38:40.560
<v Speaker 2>more impressive steel boomed, glass skinned buildings. In this same year,

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.040
<v Speaker 2>nineteen oh four, the construction of the New York Subway

0:38:43.160 --> 0:38:45.839
<v Speaker 2>is just starting. Wherever you look in Brooklyn you can

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:48.480
<v Speaker 2>see the borough is home to all manner of immigrants,

0:38:48.520 --> 0:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>people from across the globe. Many of them, most a

0:38:51.480 --> 0:38:54.320
<v Speaker 2>lot of them are young kids who fill the streets

0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:56.960
<v Speaker 2>in order to escape the cold water tenement buildings where

0:38:56.960 --> 0:38:59.280
<v Speaker 2>their family members are all piled on top of one another.

0:38:59.520 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 2>The street off of the youngs in space and freedom.

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.600
<v Speaker 2>And you, Elizabeth, are a flower merchant. You love to

0:39:04.600 --> 0:39:07.360
<v Speaker 2>watch the case. You push your card into the street.

0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:10.240
<v Speaker 7>And take their place among the road merchants, hawking their wares,

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:13.280
<v Speaker 7>their produce, whatever they want. You enjoy all the sights

0:39:13.280 --> 0:39:15.400
<v Speaker 7>and the sounds of the Brooklyn street. The sound of

0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:18.640
<v Speaker 7>the oyster men boasting of having the freshest selfish and

0:39:18.760 --> 0:39:22.279
<v Speaker 7>the kosher of picklemen, and his sonorous voice advertising his

0:39:22.400 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 7>delicious crunchy pickles. There's the sausage guy, the hot potato guy,

0:39:25.920 --> 0:39:28.480
<v Speaker 7>the peanut man, likes to knock out a distinctive little

0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:30.239
<v Speaker 7>rhythm on the barrel of his peanuts.

0:39:30.360 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 2>It's a joyous cacophony. Into the scene. You spy a

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.359
<v Speaker 2>group of boys lately in Brooklyn. The boys have been

0:39:36.400 --> 0:39:39.800
<v Speaker 2>engaging in these tremendous rock fights. Boys from neighboring streets

0:39:39.840 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 2>meet in empty lots and alleys for armed combat. But

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 2>their choice of combat arms is rocks, stones, chunks of

0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.439
<v Speaker 2>brick masonry. In fact, a friend of yours, an older lady,

0:39:48.480 --> 0:39:51.000
<v Speaker 2>she caught a stray rock just the other day. That's

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:52.680
<v Speaker 2>why you keep your eye on the boys as they

0:39:52.719 --> 0:39:54.960
<v Speaker 2>make their way through the street market. You recognize this

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:57.440
<v Speaker 2>group of boys. It's the Capone brothers. You see that

0:39:57.560 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 2>James Foncenzo Capone is out stalking the street the Brooklyn

0:40:00.560 --> 0:40:03.320
<v Speaker 2>with his brothers Ralph and Frank and John and Albert.

0:40:03.760 --> 0:40:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Baby brother Matthew, you must be still too young to

0:40:05.840 --> 0:40:08.000
<v Speaker 2>take to the streets with his big brothers. The youngest

0:40:08.040 --> 0:40:09.759
<v Speaker 2>of the brothers, the ones out on the street this

0:40:09.800 --> 0:40:12.720
<v Speaker 2>evening is Albert, he's five years old, and the oldest

0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:15.440
<v Speaker 2>is James Fonncenzo. He's twelve and the leader of the gang.

0:40:15.680 --> 0:40:17.320
<v Speaker 2>He watched the boys as they head for the corner,

0:40:17.360 --> 0:40:19.759
<v Speaker 2>but they don't make it before a second set of

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.359
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood boys meets them, and on site you can see

0:40:22.400 --> 0:40:24.479
<v Speaker 2>it's about to go down. The second set of boys

0:40:24.480 --> 0:40:26.840
<v Speaker 2>are all carrying rocks in their hands, ready for battle.

0:40:27.000 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 2>They shout at each other. The Italian boys, the Copones

0:40:29.360 --> 0:40:31.520
<v Speaker 2>and the other boys speaking with is that Irish lilt

0:40:31.560 --> 0:40:34.880
<v Speaker 2>of English are all clearly neighborhood rivals, Elizabeth. You gauge

0:40:34.960 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 2>the distance. You hope none of the boys have bad aim,

0:40:38.360 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 2>but a strong arm. Then it happens. The rocks are tossed,

0:40:41.080 --> 0:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>stones are thrown, shouts turned to fists. Even though he's

0:40:43.960 --> 0:40:46.480
<v Speaker 2>the youngest, baby brother out the Pone is given his all.

0:40:46.560 --> 0:40:49.400
<v Speaker 2>He is fearless. Middle brothers John and frankly hold their

0:40:49.400 --> 0:40:51.959
<v Speaker 2>own as well. Baby brother Out he's fighting a kid

0:40:51.960 --> 0:40:54.680
<v Speaker 2>twice as big as them. One of the older Copone boys, Ralph,

0:40:54.760 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 2>throws a boy into some fresh horse droppings. Kid lands

0:40:57.160 --> 0:40:59.320
<v Speaker 2>face first in the steaming file. You kind of snicker.

0:40:59.600 --> 0:41:02.759
<v Speaker 2>Ralph Pone laughs as well. Vincenzo is busy wrestling some

0:41:02.880 --> 0:41:05.800
<v Speaker 2>big Irish boy. John and Frank grab produce from a

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:08.640
<v Speaker 2>cart and begin to pelt the other kids. And then, Elizabeth,

0:41:08.680 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 2>you see baby brother al separated from his brothers. The

0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:14.360
<v Speaker 2>bigger kid he's been fighting. He pulls out a knife.

0:41:14.520 --> 0:41:16.759
<v Speaker 2>These kids don't play. You think to yourself, there's no

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 2>signs of a cop walking the beat. No help. You

0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.760
<v Speaker 2>hope someone comes by soon. Meanwhile, you see baby brother

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:25.839
<v Speaker 2>al Capone square up against this bigger kid, the one

0:41:25.840 --> 0:41:28.120
<v Speaker 2>wielding the knife, and the kid uses it. He slashes

0:41:28.160 --> 0:41:31.600
<v Speaker 2>al Capone, cutting him. Vincenzo Capone sees this, goes down.

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:35.080
<v Speaker 2>He runs over, tackles the knife building kids. Vincenzo hits

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the kid with so much forced the kid goes flying.

0:41:38.000 --> 0:41:41.200
<v Speaker 2>He crashes into no through a plate glass window of

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 2>a dress shop. Glass shatters, the boy disappears into the

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.040
<v Speaker 2>dress shop. You hear him cry. Finally, a beat cop

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:49.960
<v Speaker 2>turns the corner. The copone boy scatter. Meanwhile, you wonder,

0:41:50.280 --> 0:41:52.200
<v Speaker 2>whin oh, when will the world be safe from those

0:41:52.239 --> 0:41:57.560
<v Speaker 2>Compone brothers? Down boom, Elizabeth. That was it for Vincenzo

0:41:57.640 --> 0:42:02.399
<v Speaker 2>Capon aka James Hard aka a two gun heart. As

0:42:02.400 --> 0:42:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Marcellus Wallace once said in pulp fiction, you lost your

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:08.959
<v Speaker 2>la privileges. Vincenzo Capone had lost his Brooklyn privileges. Yes,

0:42:09.280 --> 0:42:11.239
<v Speaker 2>so he has to leave town because he's pretty sure

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 2>this rival gang there's more of them. The family's big,

0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:15.720
<v Speaker 2>and the one he threw through the plate glass window.

0:42:16.080 --> 0:42:18.200
<v Speaker 2>He's pretty sure the family will come looking for revenge.

0:42:18.239 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 2>So this inciting incident, it makes Vincenzo Capone split town.

0:42:22.120 --> 0:42:25.320
<v Speaker 2>He disappears into America. He saves his brother Al Capone,

0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 2>and then he leaves the family behind, travels west, becomes

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:30.080
<v Speaker 2>a real life cowboy and a prohibition agent. Oh and

0:42:30.080 --> 0:42:32.000
<v Speaker 2>also to be clear, I should tell you this, that

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 2>cut in the street fight is not the scars that

0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:36.800
<v Speaker 2>he gets that makes him Scarface. Oh, I want to

0:42:36.840 --> 0:42:39.760
<v Speaker 2>make sure that was. Yeah, he earns his notorious nickname.

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Later he gets three slices to the face and the

0:42:42.480 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 2>neck from this angry gangster who was pissed off the

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.239
<v Speaker 2>young Al Capone told the gangster's baby sister that she

0:42:48.280 --> 0:42:53.080
<v Speaker 2>had a nice caboose. Yeah. So, anyway, we already covered

0:42:53.080 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>how two gun Hearts got his nickname. In past episodes,

0:42:56.200 --> 0:42:59.239
<v Speaker 2>we talked about how Bottles Capone got his nickname. What

0:42:59.320 --> 0:43:02.600
<v Speaker 2>a group of nickname? Answered the Capone boys, Bottles Scarface

0:43:02.680 --> 0:43:06.040
<v Speaker 2>and Two Guns anyway, Once he left Brooklyn, ol Vincenzo

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.760
<v Speaker 2>Capone aka two Gun Heart, he never looks back, Elizabeth.

0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how often he thought of his family

0:43:10.719 --> 0:43:12.560
<v Speaker 2>back in New York while he was punching cows in

0:43:12.600 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Texas and shooting cigarettes out of the mouths of his

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:18.080
<v Speaker 2>boys in Homer, Nebraska. But it's worth recalling. Remember I

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.719
<v Speaker 2>said he never made any true friends. Yeah, Yeah, started

0:43:21.760 --> 0:43:23.760
<v Speaker 2>to see anyway. Always a man of mystery, this local

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.879
<v Speaker 2>character kept everyone at arm's length. Was he had all

0:43:26.920 --> 0:43:29.440
<v Speaker 2>in contact with his famous gangster family while he was

0:43:29.440 --> 0:43:32.480
<v Speaker 2>busting bootleggers on the prairie. Had he been in contact them?

0:43:32.520 --> 0:43:34.200
<v Speaker 2>And then he was pretending to go enlist in the

0:43:34.320 --> 0:43:36.799
<v Speaker 2>army and fight in the Great War, Yeah, seems like not.

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:39.720
<v Speaker 2>I looked up. I could not find any reports or anything.

0:43:39.960 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 2>So it seems that he just disappeared for a while,

0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.160
<v Speaker 2>came back the Capone family. They knew nothing of what

0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:46.959
<v Speaker 2>happened to young Vincenzo. Even if they would have seen

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:50.200
<v Speaker 2>one of his mini national news stories. The family obviously

0:43:50.239 --> 0:43:53.160
<v Speaker 2>didn't recognize his new adopted identity because he's this guy

0:43:53.400 --> 0:43:54.080
<v Speaker 2>James Hart.

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they wouldn't connect it. Could you imagine they're reading

0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:57.120
<v Speaker 3>about it.

0:43:57.760 --> 0:44:00.360
<v Speaker 2>Photo it's some of the later pictures. There's clear photos

0:44:00.360 --> 0:44:02.399
<v Speaker 2>of him in the paper. Yeah, means, and he looks

0:44:02.400 --> 0:44:05.040
<v Speaker 2>like a copone, so but with a cowboy hat on

0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:05.960
<v Speaker 2>a fancy vest.

0:44:06.040 --> 0:44:07.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you're not looking for it.

0:44:07.440 --> 0:44:10.400
<v Speaker 2>And meanwhile, was he he's unaware of his younger brothers

0:44:10.520 --> 0:44:12.799
<v Speaker 2>rise to fame in the criminal world. He has no

0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:13.879
<v Speaker 2>idea what they're doing.

0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:15.719
<v Speaker 3>We had to have known until they.

0:44:15.640 --> 0:44:19.120
<v Speaker 2>Become scarface in the Chicago outfit. Yeah that's years later,

0:44:19.239 --> 0:44:22.239
<v Speaker 2>from like nineteen o four to the twenties, right, right,

0:44:22.280 --> 0:44:24.919
<v Speaker 2>So he kind of anyway, so he's following along. Once

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:27.279
<v Speaker 2>he does realize like, hey al Capone, that's my boy.

0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Hey Ralph, this is my brother's right, So he starts

0:44:29.320 --> 0:44:31.799
<v Speaker 2>following the news and he's not far Nebraska is not

0:44:31.880 --> 0:44:34.200
<v Speaker 2>far from Chicago, No, not at all. So he has

0:44:34.280 --> 0:44:37.720
<v Speaker 2>no idea his younger brothers are scarface and bottles until

0:44:37.800 --> 0:44:40.440
<v Speaker 2>they are the Chicago Outfit and then they're famous, and

0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 2>he starts following their criminal careers, his baby brothers in

0:44:43.680 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 2>the gangland wars. I. Meanwhile, he's a prohibition agent, so

0:44:46.360 --> 0:44:48.680
<v Speaker 2>he can't really reach out to them, right, so he

0:44:48.760 --> 0:44:51.440
<v Speaker 2>follows along in the news documenting the fight of the

0:44:51.440 --> 0:44:54.720
<v Speaker 2>copone right, and obviously then the subsequent tax evasion trial

0:44:54.800 --> 0:44:57.200
<v Speaker 2>for his brother, and then he sees his brother Al

0:44:57.239 --> 0:44:59.359
<v Speaker 2>go to the rock. And this is nineteen thirty seven

0:44:59.360 --> 0:45:01.880
<v Speaker 2>at this point. This is about the same time. Remember

0:45:01.880 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen thirty five is when two Gun Heart goes

0:45:04.000 --> 0:45:05.960
<v Speaker 2>back to Homer, Nebraska, becomes a marshall, and then he

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:09.680
<v Speaker 2>gets busted robbing the grocery store. So the half blind,

0:45:09.760 --> 0:45:12.680
<v Speaker 2>glass eyed former lawman now reaches out to his family,

0:45:12.760 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>his gangster family, and asks for help.

0:45:15.719 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 3>Wow.

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:18.280
<v Speaker 2>So around the same time, Ralph Bottles Capone is pretty

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.759
<v Speaker 2>much in charge of the family. So he's been busted though,

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.040
<v Speaker 2>and he sent to prison and released. So he's the

0:45:23.040 --> 0:45:25.440
<v Speaker 2>one who Two gun Heart reaches out to, and his

0:45:25.480 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 2>baby brother sends out a family member to check the story.

0:45:28.120 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 2>He's like, going down to Homer, Nebraska, I don't know

0:45:29.880 --> 0:45:31.319
<v Speaker 2>where it is, go find it and then see this

0:45:31.320 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 2>guy says he says he's related, right, So they send

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 2>out like I think John Capone, one of the baby brothers,

0:45:35.800 --> 0:45:38.000
<v Speaker 2>go test him. He didn't know him because he was

0:45:38.040 --> 0:45:39.440
<v Speaker 2>so young. He's like, I don't know it could be

0:45:39.480 --> 0:45:41.680
<v Speaker 2>a maybe he seems like but a man. Maybe somebody

0:45:41.680 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 2>told him this, right, So he's like, okay, bring him

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:46.600
<v Speaker 2>back to Chicago. We'll have Mom decide.

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 3>So oh man.

0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.040
<v Speaker 2>Ralph Bottles Capone finally meets up with two gun Heart

0:45:51.040 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 2>in Sioux City, Iowa, and then he goes and he

0:45:53.920 --> 0:45:55.719
<v Speaker 2>brings him up to meet mom. He's not going to

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:57.479
<v Speaker 2>just have the younger son bring him to mom. He goes,

0:45:57.600 --> 0:45:59.440
<v Speaker 2>bring him to Sue City, Iowa. They go and die.

0:45:59.680 --> 0:46:01.400
<v Speaker 2>Then he he's like, they call him up Chicago to

0:46:01.440 --> 0:46:04.080
<v Speaker 2>meet Ma. They arrived, they head out to the South Side,

0:46:04.080 --> 0:46:07.359
<v Speaker 2>where Teresa Capone has a nuncio at this point has

0:46:07.400 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 2>a big place that her boy's bought her. Right now,

0:46:09.160 --> 0:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>when Mama Capone sees her first born, what do you think,

0:46:11.760 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 2>she says, I don't know. She cries out, that's my boy.

0:46:16.400 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 2>Two gun Heart is officially home now. I don't know

0:46:18.800 --> 0:46:21.040
<v Speaker 2>if he was still wearing his loud cowboy clothes, his

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:24.920
<v Speaker 2>ten his fancy vest and KICKI boots, but or it's

0:46:24.920 --> 0:46:27.000
<v Speaker 2>pearl handle pistols. I mean his brothers would bust have

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 2>been busting his balls if he did. Anyway, the family

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 2>accepts him in bottles. Capone sets him up with some property,

0:46:32.239 --> 0:46:35.279
<v Speaker 2>a summer retreat by the lake in Mercer, Wisconsin. He

0:46:35.320 --> 0:46:37.400
<v Speaker 2>gets them some new clothes, they get him cleaned up.

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:39.520
<v Speaker 2>They put him on the family payroll, so he starts

0:46:39.520 --> 0:46:42.440
<v Speaker 2>getting a monthly check. So then this would come back

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 2>to bite two gun Heart in the backside. Yeah, maybe,

0:46:44.640 --> 0:46:47.160
<v Speaker 2>because in nineteen thirty nine, younger brother al Capone is

0:46:47.200 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 2>released from Alcatraz and when he gets out, big brother

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.560
<v Speaker 2>two gun Heart comes home for a family reunion. He

0:46:52.600 --> 0:46:55.720
<v Speaker 2>meets his long loss gangster brother at the summer retreat

0:46:55.719 --> 0:46:59.640
<v Speaker 2>and Mercer. He returns home, he tells his wife about, Hey, what' back? Okay,

0:46:59.680 --> 0:47:02.640
<v Speaker 2>I got it, tell you something about my family. Eventually

0:47:02.680 --> 0:47:04.680
<v Speaker 2>he tells his sons like, okay, there's something you need

0:47:04.719 --> 0:47:08.120
<v Speaker 2>to know. You're you come from a very famous family. Yeah,

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:10.480
<v Speaker 2>like not the good guy infamous, a very infamous family.

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:14.120
<v Speaker 2>So he tells them you're not Hearts, you're Copones and

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.320
<v Speaker 2>then they go and the oldest he takes the oldest

0:47:16.320 --> 0:47:18.360
<v Speaker 2>one to go meet him. In nineteen forty six, just

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:20.759
<v Speaker 2>after the Second World War is over, Two Gun Heart

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.160
<v Speaker 2>he brings his eldest son back to Chicago to meet

0:47:23.200 --> 0:47:26.440
<v Speaker 2>the family, he meets his uncle Scarface and his uncle Bottles.

0:47:26.480 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 2>By this point, Al Capone is suffering badly from syphilis.

0:47:29.600 --> 0:47:32.320
<v Speaker 2>He's losing his mind. Right, it's not a pretty picture. Yeah,

0:47:32.320 --> 0:47:34.440
<v Speaker 2>but he's still lucid enough that Two Gun Hearts like,

0:47:34.480 --> 0:47:36.359
<v Speaker 2>we'll talk to my son, right, And then he's telling

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:38.439
<v Speaker 2>his son, don't listen to anything. He says, I don't

0:47:38.440 --> 0:47:40.720
<v Speaker 2>want you to end up like him. We're still law abiders.

0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:43.800
<v Speaker 2>But meanwhile, back on Homer, Nebraska, we're just starting to

0:47:43.840 --> 0:47:46.479
<v Speaker 2>spread because the sons just could not help but tell

0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:49.480
<v Speaker 2>somebody and seems, you know, boop, it gets slipped out.

0:47:49.520 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 2>And then eventually a local banker noticed that two Guns

0:47:52.320 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 2>was suddenly receiving weekly's cashier checks from a bank in Ciso, Illinois.

0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:58.880
<v Speaker 2>And everybody knew what Ciso, Illinois was back then, the

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:01.719
<v Speaker 2>town that belongs Capone. So anyway, Two Gun Hearts he's

0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:03.880
<v Speaker 2>still trying to pass it off as he's received this

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:08.200
<v Speaker 2>sizeable inheritance from his distant family. Subpar cover story, let

0:48:08.239 --> 0:48:10.480
<v Speaker 2>me tell you, Lizabeth, it only added to the mystery

0:48:10.480 --> 0:48:12.520
<v Speaker 2>of Two Gun Heart and oh, though true to his

0:48:12.600 --> 0:48:15.640
<v Speaker 2>nature as a local character, he doesn't mind all the speculation, right,

0:48:15.760 --> 0:48:19.080
<v Speaker 2>it makes it more colorful. His own brother in law, Harold,

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 2>he discovers his secret, as he claims, all by himself

0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.520
<v Speaker 2>and I quote, I figured out then who he was.

0:48:25.600 --> 0:48:27.759
<v Speaker 2>The magazines had a lot of stories of the Capone

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.640
<v Speaker 2>funeral and the family, and all the family's first names

0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:33.400
<v Speaker 2>were the same as the names of the Chicago relatives

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:36.520
<v Speaker 2>Dick always talked about. He was always talking Uncle Ralph.

0:48:36.560 --> 0:48:38.600
<v Speaker 2>So you get the idea. Yeah, he busts him out

0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:40.080
<v Speaker 2>and it was like, yeah, pretty good. It's like all

0:48:40.120 --> 0:48:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Elizabeth move. So his brother Acapone passes away in forty seven,

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:45.600
<v Speaker 2>two gun Heart doesn't make the trip back for the funeral,

0:48:45.600 --> 0:48:49.080
<v Speaker 2>though he was still trying to keep his secret identity unknown.

0:48:49.280 --> 0:48:51.759
<v Speaker 2>Then in fifty one the full truth comes out because

0:48:51.800 --> 0:48:54.319
<v Speaker 2>remember he gets to put on the family payroll. Well,

0:48:54.440 --> 0:48:57.080
<v Speaker 2>the Feds go after Bottles Capone and then when they

0:48:57.160 --> 0:48:59.919
<v Speaker 2>open up the books, boom, look what they find. It's

0:49:00.040 --> 0:49:02.520
<v Speaker 2>two gun Heart, a prohibition agent getting a payoff from

0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:04.920
<v Speaker 2>the Capone family makes him look all sorts of hanky.

0:49:05.120 --> 0:49:08.600
<v Speaker 2>So when Bottles Copone is getting investigated, the authorities they

0:49:08.600 --> 0:49:11.280
<v Speaker 2>dig through all his financial records. They follow the money

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:13.759
<v Speaker 2>trail they discover the long lost Capone brother on.

0:49:13.800 --> 0:49:14.640
<v Speaker 5>Their own DA.

0:49:15.239 --> 0:49:17.879
<v Speaker 2>Understandably, the agents are like, wait what because the full

0:49:17.960 --> 0:49:20.280
<v Speaker 2>money trail revealed that he also had a summer retreated

0:49:20.280 --> 0:49:23.040
<v Speaker 2>in Mercer, Wisconsin. And then so not only was he

0:49:23.080 --> 0:49:25.240
<v Speaker 2>on the Copone family he ye role, he has property

0:49:25.280 --> 0:49:28.919
<v Speaker 2>and there was other properties as well. Anyway, his own

0:49:28.960 --> 0:49:33.000
<v Speaker 2>brother bottles Capone his defense attorneys. They subpoena two gun

0:49:33.040 --> 0:49:35.400
<v Speaker 2>Heart to come and testify on his brother's behalf, and

0:49:35.400 --> 0:49:39.000
<v Speaker 2>they in open federal court in Chicago. His wife's like,

0:49:39.040 --> 0:49:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I am not going. He's like, maybe come on please,

0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:44.200
<v Speaker 2>He's like, I am not going. Ze like I prefer

0:49:44.239 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 2>to stay home tend my garden. Remember she's in Nebraska

0:49:46.680 --> 0:49:48.800
<v Speaker 2>War at this point. So in the end she couldn't

0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:50.839
<v Speaker 2>let her husband go face the music on his own.

0:49:50.960 --> 0:49:53.160
<v Speaker 2>She makes the trip with him. She goes to Chicago.

0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:55.800
<v Speaker 2>His sons at this point they still respect him, Like

0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:57.520
<v Speaker 2>when the news comes around and they're asking him, well,

0:49:57.560 --> 0:49:59.880
<v Speaker 2>what's what's it like having a Capone as a father,

0:50:00.040 --> 0:50:01.880
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, you can say for me that he

0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:03.719
<v Speaker 2>has been as fine a dad to me and my

0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:06.560
<v Speaker 2>brother as anyone could ask for. I'm proud of him, Well,

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:08.719
<v Speaker 2>so there you go. Me, he's good dad. So guess

0:50:08.760 --> 0:50:10.560
<v Speaker 2>they gotten over that whole shooting cigarettes out of the

0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:13.560
<v Speaker 2>mouth period of time Capone family. The money hadn't changed

0:50:13.600 --> 0:50:16.160
<v Speaker 2>them though, right. The family still maintained a comfortable two

0:50:16.160 --> 0:50:20.480
<v Speaker 2>story white frame house, modest chickens, lush garden. They also

0:50:20.520 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 2>had a cocker Spaniel named Danny. And I actually love

0:50:23.239 --> 0:50:27.280
<v Speaker 2>it when dogs have human first names. All Danny, Gary, Ted.

0:50:27.600 --> 0:50:29.840
<v Speaker 3>I always have dogs with human first na.

0:50:30.080 --> 0:50:30.920
<v Speaker 2>I know you like Wallace.

0:50:31.080 --> 0:50:32.200
<v Speaker 3>I loved Wallace.

0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:37.839
<v Speaker 2>My mom's got Morty and Elliott. Yeah you got it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it just tickles me so much. Anyway, too, got Hart

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<v Speaker 2>his wife. They make the trip Chicago, he testifies an

0:50:42.680 --> 0:50:45.919
<v Speaker 2>open cord on his brother's behalf secret is now fully out.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like national news. Everyone's like, there's another Capone. Yeah,

0:50:49.480 --> 0:50:53.359
<v Speaker 2>and he's a prohibition agent. Yeah, where's the cowboy boots? Also,

0:50:53.800 --> 0:50:57.680
<v Speaker 2>his father in law call him too gun heart. So

0:50:58.440 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 2>once they everybody know knows that he's a attached to

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:03.759
<v Speaker 2>al Capone and al Capone as a cowboy brother, you know,

0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 2>it's a whole thing. The locals in Homer, Nebraska, they

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:08.920
<v Speaker 2>start getting asked about it, and there are signs that

0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:11.080
<v Speaker 2>they say the two Gun Heart was not your typical

0:51:11.120 --> 0:51:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Western hero, right. For one, his flamboyant style of dress,

0:51:14.600 --> 0:51:16.960
<v Speaker 2>well yeah, the big brimmed hats, the loud shirts and

0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:19.040
<v Speaker 2>vest it was almost like he was like an Italian

0:51:19.080 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 2>on the prairie. So there's this curious habit. Also of

0:51:22.239 --> 0:51:24.319
<v Speaker 2>having a thick money roll on him. He was known

0:51:24.360 --> 0:51:27.080
<v Speaker 2>to pull up fat water cash. People thought it was

0:51:27.120 --> 0:51:28.600
<v Speaker 2>show money, but he would have like a roll of

0:51:28.680 --> 0:51:32.600
<v Speaker 2>hundreds from the prairie. He's like a Chicago gangster coming

0:51:32.640 --> 0:51:34.080
<v Speaker 2>into the general store.

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<v Speaker 3>Was the father Capone? Was he crooked?

0:51:37.120 --> 0:51:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Was he in the father the family, in the mafia,

0:51:42.080 --> 0:51:44.200
<v Speaker 2>in the Naples? I do not know. I could not

0:51:44.239 --> 0:51:47.440
<v Speaker 2>answer that well enough. I would assume there may have

0:51:47.520 --> 0:51:51.360
<v Speaker 2>been some family, but I do not know. I have

0:51:51.400 --> 0:51:55.719
<v Speaker 2>no idea. Where was I. Oh, yes, so he's in

0:51:55.760 --> 0:51:57.960
<v Speaker 2>court at this point, right, So he's in Chicago. He's

0:51:58.000 --> 0:52:01.440
<v Speaker 2>got federal court truths finally revealed, not whispered in, rumored anymore. Right,

0:52:01.440 --> 0:52:06.120
<v Speaker 2>it's now inarguably revealed, big headlines two gun Hard. So

0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 2>someone asked him in court, like, now that everybody knows

0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:12.279
<v Speaker 2>your secret, Well, I guess it's the prosecutor a person. Yes,

0:52:12.560 --> 0:52:15.399
<v Speaker 2>the third row. What was a question, Two gun Hard,

0:52:15.480 --> 0:52:17.560
<v Speaker 2>I got a it's more of a comment. Had a question.

0:52:19.400 --> 0:52:22.399
<v Speaker 2>The prosecutor asked, Right now the world knows that you're

0:52:22.440 --> 0:52:24.439
<v Speaker 2>a Capone. Are you going to keep your adopted name

0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:27.520
<v Speaker 2>and identity? You can keep being a cowboy? Yeah, so

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:30.080
<v Speaker 2>you know he's on the witness stands here gun Hard.

0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.000
<v Speaker 2>He thinks for a moment. He paused, I certainly am

0:52:32.080 --> 0:52:36.279
<v Speaker 2>I've had it so long it's legal. Yeah, I guess.

0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:38.440
<v Speaker 2>So that was a common law marriage on an identity.

0:52:38.800 --> 0:52:40.439
<v Speaker 2>So when he asked if he was perturbed to learn

0:52:40.520 --> 0:52:42.600
<v Speaker 2>that he was a compone, two gun Heart said, why

0:52:42.600 --> 0:52:44.640
<v Speaker 2>should I be ashamed of it? I didn't have nothing

0:52:44.640 --> 0:52:47.080
<v Speaker 2>to do with it. Oh yeah, it's true, right, I

0:52:47.080 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 2>mean you can. Heart can't really argue with it. But

0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:50.719
<v Speaker 2>this is where he must set down to this strange

0:52:50.760 --> 0:52:53.000
<v Speaker 2>tale of American culture, because a short time later the

0:52:53.040 --> 0:52:56.439
<v Speaker 2>next year, two Gun Heart aka Vincenzo Capone passed away

0:52:56.480 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 2>in Homer, Nebraska. He leaves the world in the same

0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:01.560
<v Speaker 2>town where he jumped out of that freight train thirty

0:53:01.560 --> 0:53:04.320
<v Speaker 2>three years prior, looking for his piece of the American dream.

0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:07.080
<v Speaker 2>He got it got it right so many ways. Many

0:53:07.120 --> 0:53:09.200
<v Speaker 2>of those ways were an outright lie, but hey, whatever,

0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:11.960
<v Speaker 2>this is America. So Elizabeth, what's our ridiculous takeaway?

0:53:12.080 --> 0:53:13.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I am.

0:53:13.680 --> 0:53:17.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm just fascinated by his ability to, uh, you know,

0:53:17.960 --> 0:53:21.719
<v Speaker 4>it's so American and it's so Western to just redefine

0:53:21.719 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 4>oneself and decide you're going to be something totally different convincingly.

0:53:26.160 --> 0:53:29.839
<v Speaker 4>What I was asking about his father being you know,

0:53:30.080 --> 0:53:33.399
<v Speaker 4>mafia adjacent or in it. You know, are these these

0:53:33.440 --> 0:53:35.640
<v Speaker 4>little ticks that he picked up as a child of

0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:38.359
<v Speaker 4>seeing his father walk around with hernt of cash or

0:53:38.600 --> 0:53:40.399
<v Speaker 4>keeping cat But I mean, then again, you really didn't

0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:42.680
<v Speaker 4>have to be in the mafia to keep cash like

0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:46.120
<v Speaker 4>on a pillow. Yeah, and so you know, but the

0:53:46.160 --> 0:53:49.920
<v Speaker 4>little things that it's the nature nurture. What is something

0:53:49.960 --> 0:53:52.399
<v Speaker 4>that's just like inherent in him? And what little things

0:53:52.400 --> 0:53:54.759
<v Speaker 4>did he pick up in the first twelve years of

0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:56.920
<v Speaker 4>his life, oh, that he carried on with him as

0:53:57.000 --> 0:53:57.960
<v Speaker 4>fascinating Zarin.

0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:02.279
<v Speaker 2>Yes, Elizabeth, how you doing anyway? So I do have

0:54:02.280 --> 0:54:04.879
<v Speaker 2>a ridiculous takeaway. Thanks, you're asking it's the same one

0:54:04.880 --> 0:54:06.800
<v Speaker 2>as you basically, but instead of the father, I was

0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:09.239
<v Speaker 2>thinking about it from his brother al Capone. Yeah, so

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:11.279
<v Speaker 2>al Capone and James Hard We do know about both

0:54:11.320 --> 0:54:12.799
<v Speaker 2>of them. I don't know too much about the father.

0:54:13.000 --> 0:54:15.440
<v Speaker 2>But when you compare Scarface and two Gun Heart, you

0:54:15.480 --> 0:54:17.239
<v Speaker 2>see that the brothers basically, even though they're on the

0:54:17.280 --> 0:54:20.840
<v Speaker 2>opposite sides or prohibition, they're very similar, right, They have

0:54:20.920 --> 0:54:23.839
<v Speaker 2>very similar traits tendencies. They both like to live well,

0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:26.560
<v Speaker 2>to look good, to be memorable characters. They opt to

0:54:26.560 --> 0:54:30.080
<v Speaker 2>take risks, They use intelligence and violence to get their way.

0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:32.759
<v Speaker 2>They have this undeniable sense of people. They know how

0:54:32.760 --> 0:54:35.239
<v Speaker 2>to operate people, how to use their will to get

0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the job done, like to enforce their will on reality,

0:54:38.000 --> 0:54:40.439
<v Speaker 2>I mean, whatever the job may be. And they're both

0:54:40.480 --> 0:54:42.240
<v Speaker 2>the sort of men that others like to talk about,

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:44.640
<v Speaker 2>and they liked to be talked about, and they generate

0:54:44.680 --> 0:54:46.800
<v Speaker 2>a good copy and I obviously plenty of headlines. Sure,

0:54:46.840 --> 0:54:49.160
<v Speaker 2>and they were both bigger than life. So maybe there's

0:54:49.160 --> 0:54:51.400
<v Speaker 2>something about the nature of the nurture or who knows.

0:54:51.280 --> 0:54:52.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, why not both?

0:54:52.280 --> 0:54:55.680
<v Speaker 2>So anyways, they say, there you go, that's awesome. Yeah, prettucerd,

0:54:56.040 --> 0:54:58.000
<v Speaker 2>we were thinking about a talkback just to clear the air.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think, Elizabeth, I would love that I

0:55:00.560 --> 0:55:07.320
<v Speaker 2>got one for you. Here you go. Oh god, oh

0:55:07.200 --> 0:55:13.279
<v Speaker 2>my god, super I love ge.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi.

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<v Speaker 8>My name is Elizabeth and I just listened to the

0:55:16.600 --> 0:55:19.640
<v Speaker 8>Byzantium episode. It reminded me of a personality we have

0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:22.879
<v Speaker 8>here in Memphis who calls himself Prince Mango and says

0:55:22.880 --> 0:55:26.280
<v Speaker 8>he's from the planet Zambodia, born there open three hundred

0:55:26.400 --> 0:55:29.880
<v Speaker 8>years ago. He says he's sent here to save the earth.

0:55:30.320 --> 0:55:33.320
<v Speaker 8>He ran for mayor of Memphis and Shelby County multiple

0:55:33.320 --> 0:55:36.080
<v Speaker 8>times in the eighties and nineties and always lost. He

0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.839
<v Speaker 8>eventually opened a nightclub and a property called Ashlar Hall, and.

0:55:39.760 --> 0:55:44.560
<v Speaker 3>That has since closed. But it's ridiculous, ridiculous and awesome.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I love that.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, Elizabeth. From one Elizabeth to another. That was

0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.840
<v Speaker 4>a great I like that well.

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