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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Dunton, Saren Burnett. How are you doing? I'm great,

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Speaker 2: you ridiculous?

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do what you just got right to it?

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Speaker 3: Listen here.

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Speaker 4: You know you've seen that movie Deadpool, silly guy and

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Speaker 4: a costume.

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Speaker 2: Oh okay, yeah, Momentarily I was thinking of like a

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Speaker 2: Clint Eastwood eighties movie, isn't.

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Speaker 3: That I think there might be one?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Anyway, go on, yeah, Deadpool, the comic guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the comic Yeah, the Ryan Reynolds.

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Speaker 3: Ryan Reynolds, And you're like, are you spider Man?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. Are you lippier.

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Speaker 3: Lippier spider Man?

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Speaker 4: And then now he's got one with the hairy fella,

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Speaker 4: the Wolverine, the.

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Speaker 2: Nail and with the attitude and the.

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Speaker 5: Nail.

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Speaker 2: I love Wolverine.

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Speaker 4: Actually, okay, so you know there's that movie coming out right? Yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm aware, and like I would think that there's a

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Speaker 4: big crossover that a lot of people who like the

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Speaker 4: movie also liked it.

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Speaker 3: You just stop it right now? Can I finish a lot?

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Speaker 2: I'm totally listen. I'm not guessing where you're going at all.

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Speaker 4: Go on across over yourself a lot of people who

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Speaker 4: watched those kind of movies also play video games.

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Speaker 3: That's to say today.

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Speaker 2: That's is that ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: No, I got more. I got more, and that's so

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Speaker 4: it's so ridiculous. Okay, So anyway, Xbox right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not familiar.

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Speaker 3: You like an Xbox xbox in your life?

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Speaker 2: My cousin does.

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Speaker 3: So you know.

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Speaker 4: The the controllers, yes, yes, the buttons with your hands

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Speaker 4: and your hands in your face.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: And so they've made a special controller for the Xbox

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Speaker 4: uh designed by Deadpool, it says, okay, means it's business

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Speaker 4: in the front, party in the back.

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Speaker 2: But it's not a mullet, it's not a hairy controller.

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Speaker 4: It had it looks like the surface of it looks

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Speaker 4: like Deadpool's red and black leather costs.

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, so I got a leathery controller in my head.

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Speaker 4: And I also just really quickly tell you that don't

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Speaker 4: blame me, blame Barb from Instagram for bringing this forward.

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Speaker 3: God blissard.

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Speaker 4: Okay, anyway, so that it's like the surface of the

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Speaker 4: controller is like the leather of his cost it. Sure,

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Speaker 4: I'm with you, But then the back of it has

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Speaker 4: butt cheeks.

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Speaker 3: So I'm showing you right now? Do you see this?

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Speaker 2: So it's got.

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Speaker 4: Juicy booty boy, straight up juicy booty, Elliott Stabler level

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Speaker 2: It would be distracting during gameplay.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 4: So it's called the Cheeky Controller and you hold on

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Speaker 4: to his butns will you wiggle his buttons in the

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Speaker 4: front and the press release said quotes designed by the

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Speaker 4: MRK with a mouth himself. It also comes I don't

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Speaker 4: even know what that means. It comes clad in the

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Speaker 4: anti heroes, instantly recognizable and might we add incredibly flattering

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Speaker 4: red and black tactical suit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So there's only one Captain America.

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Speaker 3: It only created one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to make only one.

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Speaker 3: You gotta go to their sweep steaks. And it said

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Speaker 3: that you had to look at a post on Twitter.

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Speaker 2: They called it x whatever whatever. How many times have

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Speaker 2: you entered this contest?

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Speaker 3: I have not because I don't have an Xbox.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you want that control, you have to.

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Speaker 4: Go to Twitter and then you do these other things

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Speaker 4: and it's like whatever. You have to have a Twitter account,

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Speaker 4: so I can't enter.

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Speaker 2: It's true, you don't have Twitter.

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Speaker 4: It ends August eleventh, and you have eighteen or older.

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Speaker 2: I still got a Twitter account.

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Speaker 3: I just I can't believe you still have a Twitter account.

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Speaker 2: Why anyway, still swimming in film?

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Speaker 3: Well, go swim and filth, grab some cheek, play a little,

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Speaker 3: you know, diddle around on the front.

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Speaker 2: Okay, say a little the.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then a thousand people who they'll get an

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Speaker 4: Xbox Elite Wireless controller Series two Core?

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Speaker 2: Are they paying you to say all this?

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Speaker 4: I wish I wish they would give me things. It

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Speaker 4: just gives me things.

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Speaker 2: You're out here just freelance, like.

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Speaker 4: All of these companies I promote. They're insane idea, and

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Speaker 4: so many people get excited about it.

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Speaker 2: Not me.

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Speaker 3: Tens of people get excited about it, and so they

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Speaker 3: should be just I don't pay me to do it.

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Speaker 3: Just send me the stuff, like send.

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Speaker 2: Her the butt controller, get this woman control.

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Speaker 3: I just need free stuff.

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Speaker 5: There.

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Speaker 2: I think you need more free stuff.

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Speaker 5: I do.

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Speaker 3: I don't get anything free.

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Speaker 2: I just meant stuff for.

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Speaker 3: Shine, more stuff. So in summary, that's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: That is oh my goodness is why did they make

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Speaker 2: this one? I mean this one? I guess supply and

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Speaker 2: demand anyway special you know, uh, you know what else

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Speaker 2: is ridiculous you tell me sit back down. Okay, imagine

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Speaker 2: this right, just this whole scenario, Elizabeth, you base your

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Speaker 2: like you're a person. You're like, oh, I'm feeling like

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Speaker 2: I don't really know who I am and other people

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Speaker 2: don't know who I am. I'm gonna make that more

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Speaker 2: clear to them. Right, So you decided to like change

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Speaker 2: your persona, your public persona, and you base your whole

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Speaker 2: new identity on a character from a movie. Okay, and

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Speaker 2: then people they accept it because you're like, you're really

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Speaker 2: can to the bit. They're like, whatever, that's just two

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Speaker 2: gun heart right, Because it turns out that like you

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Speaker 2: decided to be like a movie cowboy, I tho's your

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Speaker 2: thing in life. Okay, but also this is like a

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Speaker 2: while ago, so little it wasn't so weird to do that.

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Speaker 2: It was still weird. But anyway, turns out you also

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Speaker 2: have a big bad secret, and you're not sure if people,

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Speaker 2: if they knew about your big bad secret, if they'd

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Speaker 2: be so forgiving of your cosplay as an old timey

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, it's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: This is Ridiculous Crime a podcast about absurd and outrageous capers.

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Speaker 2: Heis and cons It's always ninety nine percent murder free

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Speaker 2: and one hundred percent ridiculous. Yes, oh, Elizabeth, Oh, zaren Today,

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Speaker 2: I've got a doozy for you. It's another sequel. Oh yes,

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Speaker 2: it's another installment in my ongoing coverage of strange but

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Speaker 2: true tales from one of America's most American families.

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Speaker 3: Oh, who's that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not going to tell you. May be wondering

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Speaker 2: what FAMI were you talking about. I'm not going to

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Speaker 2: tell you. Okay, it's a great question, Elizabeth. Thank you,

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Speaker 2: and I'll tell you when the time is right. How

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Speaker 2: about that. I promise you. That's my guarantee. That's the

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Speaker 2: Zara and Burnett guarantee. Okay now, but for now, I'd

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Speaker 2: like to introduce you to Richard James two gun Heart.

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Speaker 3: Richard James two gun Heart.

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Speaker 2: I mentioned him up top, two gun Heart. Yeah, this

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Speaker 2: is his story.

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Speaker 3: I'm confused.

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Speaker 2: I know you should be. I'm not helping you much,

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Speaker 2: so Old James Heart that's how he was known mostly.

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Speaker 2: He was born in eighteen ninety two, okay, right at

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Speaker 2: the end of the Old West era. He's like I

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Speaker 2: he Well, I will tell you that, but uh no,

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Speaker 2: his father that was a barber. His father was named Gabrielle,

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Speaker 2: whatever from she was a seamstress. Okay, right, Remember I

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Speaker 2: Anyway, at the age of the three, I told you

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Speaker 2: Right now, we're still around eighteen ninety five, eighteen ninety

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Speaker 3: In Texas Cleveland ice cream, so he also done.

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Speaker 2: was a spring day Elizabeth. Town of Homer was about

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Speaker 2: He arrives in town, James hard he said, Nebraska is

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Speaker 3: H Deere Country is totally corn country, John Deer country.

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Speaker 2: You got it? Imagine? Yeah, anyway, but a little early

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Speaker 2: any other hobo who might be riding the rails at

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, he's a hard worker, young kid. Now

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Speaker 2: He tells everyone that his full name is Richard Jay Hart,

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Speaker 2: but call him James Jim Hart, James Hart. His eyes

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Speaker 2: are intelligent, Elizabeth Alive. The locals. They find that he

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Speaker 2: The longer he stays in town Elizabeth, the more the

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Speaker 2: He tells them about getting in gun fights with bad men.

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Speaker 2: They're like, this guy's amazing. Nineteen seventeen rules around you

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Speaker 2: He gets sent overseas to the bloody battlefields of France Elisabe.

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Speaker 2: But he survives, wow, because he fights with General Blackjack

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Speaker 2: After the war, he returns to Homer, Nebraska. He regales

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Speaker 2: They're like, oh, that's amazing. He's just like he did

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Speaker 2: in Texas. Right. Oh, he's this guy. They're they're thinking

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Speaker 2: I mean he's telling telling stories Elizabeth, a gunfire exchanges

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's why he was so good a shot with

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Speaker 2: all right, now he's around the same time he fully

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Speaker 2: with it. He's gonna be the town's hero.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So not onlys you call himself James Hart in honor

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Speaker 2: the Silent film era. He starts to pattern his behavior

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Speaker 3: And they don't know he's from New York City.

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Speaker 2: No, no, not not in the real West, this immigrant

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Speaker 2: He picks up a pair of cowboy boots, tall heels, Elizabeth,

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Speaker 2: he starts to wear wide like whoa hey, six inch heels,

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Speaker 4: A huge like beach blanket, Babylon and stiletto cowboy.

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Speaker 2: He also wears a fancy vest that's always described as

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Speaker 4: Vest, one of those like embroidered Grandma Ones Teddy Bears

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Speaker 2: There's tassels on it. Now around his waist, he's wearing

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Speaker 2: a low slung holster. Oh got a pair of pearl

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and no pants.

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Speaker 2: He looks and actually basically a dime novel rendition of

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Speaker 4: In my head, he's like one of the sisters of

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Speaker 3: It's amazing.

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Speaker 2: So this silver screen buckero he's out we was. He

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Speaker 2: good with pistols, like I said earlier, and so nineteen

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Speaker 2: James Harden becomes an actual town hero when he exhibits

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Speaker 2: bravery in an emergency Elizabeth Townhomer's flooded and I'm talking flooded,

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Speaker 2: like flash floodwaters, like just wash over the farmland, right,

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, totally here. At one point he saves a

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Speaker 3: Oh she was ready.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she's warm for his form, Elizabeth. So the

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Speaker 2: he's just a cowboy from Oklahoma. Now he lives out

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Speaker 2: at least mostly the small town council. They're impressed with

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Speaker 2: this guy, though, Man, we should have him like become

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Speaker 2: such a brave, heroic guy, and they nam him what

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Speaker 2: It's like an old movie. Yeah, would you be the Marshall?

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Speaker 2: So the American Legion they elect him commander of the Post.

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Speaker 2: He's like your charge of all the veterans. If we

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Speaker 4: To say who does and doesn't get to have an

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Speaker 4: event at our hall exactly.

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Speaker 2: Boy Scouts of America they name him the district Commissioner,

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Speaker 2: which I don't know what that means, but he was

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Speaker 2: so to speak. Yeah, same year, in nineteen nineteen, major

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Speaker 3: Flew?

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Speaker 2: No, that's a good one. That totally that's a we

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Speaker 2: would take that answer. This was jeopardy. But on January sixteenth,

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Speaker 2: The US ratified the eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution making

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Speaker 5: Beer and legel.

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Speaker 2: Then much later, when they realized, oh, we need to

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Speaker 2: pay people to enforce this. Local cops are just totally corrupt.

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Speaker 2: We need to actually get some federals on this. So

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Speaker 2: they on October twenty ninth, nineteen nineteen, Congress passes the

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Speaker 2: thus creating the prohibition agents. Right, So this also marks

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Speaker 2: effect technically the official start of prohibition. So nineteen nineteen,

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Speaker 2: just say nineteen nineteen whatever. Almost as soon as prohibition

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Speaker 2: as I tell, they provided for law enforcement to fight

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Speaker 2: the rum runners, like your man, the real McCoy right. Well,

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Speaker 2: one of the men who stepped up to fight for

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Speaker 2: prohibition was local town hero and Marshall Lahomer, Nebraska one.

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Speaker 2: James Hart.

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Speaker 3: He's like, I just can't get with the drinking.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, now he's about Elizabeth. He's about to become

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Speaker 2: a prohibition cowboy. Oh wow, Yeah, he's got there raiding Stills.

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Speaker 2: He was one hell of a badass lawman, which you

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Speaker 2: rarely will hear me say. But I do believe in

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Speaker 2: and the criminals. Sometimes when a lawman is this bad ass,

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Speaker 2: I can't help but root for him. Elizabeth, I'm very

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Speaker 2: excited to get into the next but let's take a

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Speaker 2: I will tell you about how my man James Hart

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Speaker 5: Excellent, Elizabeth, ze, we're bad Hi.

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Speaker 2: So nineteen nineteen, Yeah, remember that. They It was like

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Speaker 2: so everything starts to change. Jazz becomes the music of

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Speaker 2: pointed out, the ravages of the Spanish Flu and World

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Speaker 2: So crime starts to run rampant money floods into the

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Speaker 2: they sip on their moonshine and their bootleg Canadian whiskey. Yeah, harrow,

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Speaker 2: great times, Elizabeth. I wish I could have been there anyway,

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Speaker 2: entered James Hart. He's given official commission as a prohibition

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Speaker 3: Girls.

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Speaker 2: So in October he runs his first liquor rate. How

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Speaker 3: Great?

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Speaker 2: He hears about moonshine stills in this town called Randolph, Right,

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Speaker 2: so he goes to town disguises as a day laborer

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Speaker 3: He just like hunches over and I love the undercover.

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Speaker 2: Puts stirred on his face.

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Speaker 4: He gets all shoes, splashes water on himself like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I'm so sweaty.

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Speaker 3: I've been laboring all day because I am a day laborer. Like, oh, sir,

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Speaker 2: He wanders out into the woods as his day laborer. Right,

440
00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,159
Speaker 2: he finds signs of a still like maybe like puffs

441
00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:05,119
Speaker 2: of smoke or he smells it. I don't know. He

442
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 2: draws closer and then he runs his raid. He busts

443
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,080
Speaker 2: twenty moonshiners pretty much on his own. Coincidentally becomes an

444
00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:14,000
Speaker 2: embarrassment for the city fathers of nearby Randolph because a

445
00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,960
Speaker 2: number of them are rounded up in the rain. Right yeah, right,

446
00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:18,960
Speaker 2: So after this first successful rad he follows up for

447
00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:20,600
Speaker 2: the second one. They're like, oh yeah. He goes over

448
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,639
Speaker 2: to Spencer, Nebraska, doesn't really matter again small town, and

449
00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,720
Speaker 2: again he embarrasses these small town fathers. In this case

450
00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:29,480
Speaker 2: it's the actual town marshal who he busts in the raid.

451
00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,880
Speaker 2: Oh whoa yeah. And when he does that, he tries

452
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:33,919
Speaker 2: to arrest the marshall. A local official like a deputy,

453
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,240
Speaker 2: comes out. He goes, you can't arrest the marshal. He's like,

454
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:37,800
Speaker 2: you bomb to rest in the marshall.

455
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:38,920
Speaker 3: I'm a marshall too.

456
00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: So they accused James Hart of disturbing the peace. They

457
00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 2: get him on charges of disturbing the peace. Like, I'm arrested,

458
00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:48,159
Speaker 2: You're arrested. It was, yeah, So he doesn't take no

459
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:49,960
Speaker 2: lip Elizabeth. So the men get into a fight. So

460
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,520
Speaker 2: now the law is tussling and wrestling and James Hard

461
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 2: he had to let the marshall go because there was

462
00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 2: more of them than there were of him. So this

463
00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: rare loss has stuck with him. He's like, corrupt local law,

464
00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,919
Speaker 2: I don't try. I'm only sticking with my feder rallies.

465
00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: So he then decides, you know, to go alone far

466
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,520
Speaker 2: more often anyway. Nineteen twenty one rolls around, James Hart's

467
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,600
Speaker 2: becoming a household name for all of his liquor aids.

468
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:14,000
Speaker 2: Right the Homer Star local paper, they said, quote, He's

469
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,280
Speaker 2: becoming such a menace in the state that his name

470
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 2: alone carries terror to the heart of every criminal.

471
00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 5: Oh.

472
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,399
Speaker 2: Now, thirty years later, in nineteen fifty one, the Saint

473
00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:25,520
Speaker 2: Louis Dispatch. They also wrote about James Hart. By then

474
00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,879
Speaker 2: his real identity was no longer a secret. But the

475
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 2: article look back at his early days as this cavalier

476
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 2: marauding prohibition agent. And the article Elizabeth, they recalled how

477
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,159
Speaker 2: the locals felt about James Hart, and they said, and

478
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,200
Speaker 2: I quote, that he was there, scarlet Pimpernel, their hero.

479
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,320
Speaker 2: In one month alone, he cleaned out thirty stills. All

480
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,480
Speaker 2: Nebraska watched and cheered as Heart decked out in high

481
00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:52,320
Speaker 2: heeled cowboy boots, ten Gallon had in pearl handled shooting irons,

482
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:56,840
Speaker 2: crusaded against crime. End quote. So a picture of them

483
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 2: out there on the prairie and his high heels. I

484
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 2: gotta say, that's a reference you don't hear anymore. It's

485
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,080
Speaker 2: the scarlet Pimpernel.

486
00:22:04,119 --> 00:22:05,000
Speaker 3: Oh I know, right?

487
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: Did you like the Scarlet Pimpernel? Do you know it?

488
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: Scarlet Pimpernel?

489
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, I am familiar.

490
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 2: When I was a boy growing up in the South,

491
00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 2: I saw the old movie because it was on like

492
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,840
Speaker 2: Turner TBS Turners because he liked all those old movies.

493
00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 2: And I thought that guy was awesome. Right, there's this

494
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,959
Speaker 2: rich guy who you know once again can usually hear

495
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,680
Speaker 2: me go. I was rid for the rich guy, but anyway,

496
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,040
Speaker 2: he's a hero. At night, he's like Zorrow or a batman.

497
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,560
Speaker 2: Is this rich guy at night goes crusading, But in

498
00:22:27,560 --> 00:22:31,120
Speaker 2: the daytime he's this total fop total he's like pathetic,

499
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:34,359
Speaker 2: he can't do anything. He's got the new Yeah exactly.

500
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 2: And everyone's like, oh, you know, it couldn't have been him,

501
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 2: because we know it's one person it's not is this

502
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,639
Speaker 2: guy now who in this world couldn't be? And I

503
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 2: thought that was amazing because the kid had taught me

504
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: that people will look past what they see right in

505
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,199
Speaker 2: front of him as long as you're glad to think

506
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:47,840
Speaker 2: you're pathetic.

507
00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 3: Yep.

508
00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,240
Speaker 2: Anyway, I thought that was great. So James Hart, he

509
00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 2: was their scarlet Pimpernel, and they didn't know how true

510
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:57,639
Speaker 2: it was Elizabeth because he had a secret identity just

511
00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 2: like the scarlet Pimpernel. But anyway, as far as what

512
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 2: they saw, they get this badass lawman. One fellow lawman

513
00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: of the Sioux City Patrolman, Alan Stoner, I found in

514
00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:07,199
Speaker 2: an old newspaper. Had to read a bunch of old

515
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 2: newspapers for this yeah. He recounted a time that James

516
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,960
Speaker 2: Hart once had to square up with a bootlegger he

517
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: was trying to arrest, but the bootlegger didn't want to

518
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,199
Speaker 2: throw hands with him. He wanted to test how fast

519
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 2: James Heart was with those pearl handled shooting irons. So

520
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,919
Speaker 2: James already he wasn't in the mood to kill a

521
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 2: man though, he's a man of peace, so he told

522
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 2: him he'd have to sort it out with their fists instead.

523
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:28,240
Speaker 2: How fast are you with those things? So, as patrolman

524
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,400
Speaker 2: Alan Stoner recalls quote, they fought for an hour right

525
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,760
Speaker 2: on the street with everybody watching, until finally the whiskey

526
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 2: runner gave up and Heart took him in. It was

527
00:23:37,520 --> 00:23:39,639
Speaker 2: a big moment in my life, made me decide to

528
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 2: become an officer myself. An hour hour, Elizabeth. They fought

529
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: in the street for an hour, well whatever, forty five minutes,

530
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:50,439
Speaker 2: twenty minutes. Anything longer than like seven to ten minutes

531
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:51,320
Speaker 2: is like a pretty.

532
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,600
Speaker 3: It's a long time. I mean, it was a lot

533
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 3: of it, just like chasing each other.

534
00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,160
Speaker 2: Around, throwing dirt each other's eyes, just.

535
00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 3: Like ducking behind bildings.

536
00:23:58,400 --> 00:23:59,680
Speaker 2: Trying to trip each other's high heels.

537
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, snapping the high heel off, Yeah.

538
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 2: Knocking hats off. So eund this time in the nineteen twenties,

539
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,720
Speaker 2: at the height of the prohibition, James Hart becomes this

540
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 2: fixtured local headlines but also syndicated nationally. He starts becoming

541
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 2: this character. So you have these local headlines in later

542
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 2: national months. But here's an example Elizabeth State Agent Heart

543
00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 2: cleans up Cedar County. R. J. Hart battles gamblers, Heart

544
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:26,399
Speaker 2: fines more Moonshine, Dick Hart and Homer Tuesday trailing thieves.

545
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: Now he's just everyone's paying attention to this guy. He

546
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: is there like I don't know, like wild Bill Hiccocks anyway.

547
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: He's just like a Wild West character come back to

548
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:37,639
Speaker 2: life at a time where they were totally losing the West.

549
00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 2: How is this guy still.

550
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 4: Out there doing this Heartland you know, voice of the

551
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 4: law and arm of the law. It makes for great

552
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 4: entertainment and wire stories when you live in other places.

553
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 2: Totally everyone's digging it.

554
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 4: They can imagine that what it's looking like him walking

555
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 4: around with them high heel.

556
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 2: So, with his growing fame on the prairie, my man

557
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 2: James Hard is invited to become a prohibition agent for

558
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,960
Speaker 2: the Bureau of Indian Affairs. That's because illegal liquor was

559
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,360
Speaker 2: a scourge on the reservations.

560
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 3: Yeah.

561
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,639
Speaker 2: Side note, Elizabeth, do you know where the term bootlegging

562
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 2: comes from?

563
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,760
Speaker 3: I had something to do with stick in the bottles

564
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:14,320
Speaker 3: and the boots.

565
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: Very good. I'll give you a hint. Indian Territory. Back

566
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,880
Speaker 2: in the day, it was illegal to import liquor into

567
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 2: Indian reservations, but people would still do it because customers

568
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,479
Speaker 2: would pay top dollar for good whiskey. So to sneak

569
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: liquor into reservations back in the day, a fellow on horseback,

570
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:28,959
Speaker 2: he didn't have anything like you can't be like, oh,

571
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 2: look at my wagon, you don't want that. Yeah, So

572
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:34,239
Speaker 2: they would just slip like flasks and bottles into their

573
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:36,040
Speaker 2: boots and bootlegging.

574
00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:36,600
Speaker 3: Bootlegging.

575
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you go anyway. Bureau of Indian Affairs, they've

576
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 2: been in the business of prohibition long before anyone else

577
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 2: got into it. As my point, so they're like, hey,

578
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: we'd love to have a go getter like James Hart

579
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: join our team and really get us some good headlines.

580
00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 2: So he gets sent out to the Yankton Indian Reservation

581
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: in South Dakota. Right, he shows up in his fancy

582
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:57,680
Speaker 2: western vest, his high heeled cowboy boots, his brim stetson,

583
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,399
Speaker 2: cowboy hat. Maybe a little mess scara, I don't know,

584
00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 2: low slung holster. He learns to speak the local Omaha

585
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,119
Speaker 2: and La Coda dialects. He's a serious guy. Right, So

586
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 2: the tribal leaders they like him. They give this lawman

587
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: a nickname. They start calling him two gun Heart, two

588
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 2: gun And we're local reporters and they hear about this.

589
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:16,920
Speaker 2: They of course they start talking about how two gun

590
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,800
Speaker 2: Heart did this, two Gun Heart did that becomes his nickname,

591
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 2: and then that spreads his fame across the nation.

592
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 3: Give him the nickname or did he start telling people

593
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 3: they were calling him that.

594
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: From what I can tell, it seemed to be a

595
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,120
Speaker 2: genuine that the native tribes gave him the name.

596
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:30,440
Speaker 5: Yeah.

597
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: Interesting, I can't tell you for sure. I wasn't there alone,

598
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 2: No you weren't, No, no, no, I know.

599
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:35,679
Speaker 3: I thought this was a first hand account.

600
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: There was another nickname that the Native Americans in the

601
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 2: area called him. A member of the Oglala tribe there

602
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,639
Speaker 2: in South Dakota. All so they remembered that. She remembered

603
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,919
Speaker 2: actually that her people called Heart something else. See, there

604
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: was this one time Elizabeth Old two gun Heart. He

605
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 2: was a hiding amongst a group of Okohala children, right,

606
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,879
Speaker 2: just like I don't know how, but they were like,

607
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,840
Speaker 2: I don't know if they just hanging out playing games,

608
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: and he's just, oh, yeah, we'll hang out with you

609
00:26:59,600 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 2: kids anyway, bootleggers go by. He leaps out of this

610
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,680
Speaker 2: group of children and then he surprises the bootleggers, gets

611
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,560
Speaker 2: the drop on him, arrest them. The kids are they

612
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 2: they come up with this nickname for this crazy lawman.

613
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 2: They just start calling him Soiko, and Soiko loosely translates

614
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 2: as Big Harry Boogeyman.

615
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 3: Still sort of.

616
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 4: Not contradicting insinuations that he is Native American. What do

617
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 4: you mean, well, you said that when he first showed up.

618
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,639
Speaker 2: He never said that he was Native American. He didn't

619
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:32,439
Speaker 2: mind if people like.

620
00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 4: Guessed at it, right, But I'm saying so is he's

621
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 4: still not contradicting it.

622
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 2: He's still it was just local talk. It wasn't It's

623
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 2: not that people in the federal agencies refer to him.

624
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: That's not why he was brought to the Bureau of affairs.

625
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 2: I didn't mean to be misleading that, No, that was

626
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,679
Speaker 2: just kind of like local gossip, you know, just as

627
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,320
Speaker 2: much many people thought that he was. You know, it

628
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:56,320
Speaker 2: doesn't matter anyway. The point is Elizabeth, this guy the

629
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 2: reason why people could like tolerate this personality, flashy throwback

630
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 2: character and the.

631
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,240
Speaker 3: And the low rise gene.

632
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly showing all that action. He was really good

633
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: at everything he did.

634
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it sounds like.

635
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: He would if they hit an okay in Homer, Nebraska,

636
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 2: if they had like a parade, he would be the

637
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 2: boss for the town's parades.

638
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 8: Yeah.

639
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,679
Speaker 2: He'd also be like the preferred chef for picnics or

640
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 2: for fish fries. Yeah. He was known for his fish

641
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 2: fries and for his like picnics. Like he was like

642
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 2: when I say this, he would hold court on like

643
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: you'd tell all in Sundry anybody who came was the

644
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 2: best way to cure mushrooms, or how to smoke fish,

645
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 2: the best way or how to pickle meat to make

646
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,639
Speaker 2: your partner happy. Right. He was also handy with the

647
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: music instruments, so he could like keep everybody, like, you know,

648
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: smiling while they're eating. Yeah, he could play multiple musical instruments.

649
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 2: He could play the mandolin, the fiddle, the guitar, the piano,

650
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: musical saw what do you got he can play?

651
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 3: How did he pick up all this talent?

652
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 2: Is this super talented guy?

653
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: Yeah?

654
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: And also how dope was it back before like the

655
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: invention or the advent of radio, when most times people

656
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 2: were your hanging out with could play musical instrument Yeah,

657
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: because like everybody's did it. Yeah right, And like Keller

658
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 2: here's he's playing like literally musical construction equipment. Like that's

659
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: how good at music people got. They're like, oh, we

660
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 2: can play a spoon, I can play a f Oh yeah,

661
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: what you got lady's bottles? Anyway, I just wish we

662
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 2: had people were playing more music at home. I think

663
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 2: that's cool. I can't do it, but I just think

664
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: it's cool. Anyway. Two gun Heart was all so good

665
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 2: at shooting, as I pointed out right, he would give

666
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: demos at local rodeos. He also had a hobby shop

667
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 2: or in town. He fixed radios and he taught others

668
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 2: about this new technology, the crystal set and all that.

669
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 5: Yeah.

670
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 2: So like the people are like, why do we need

671
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 2: a radio shack or whatever? And he's like this, you'll

672
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: trust me, this will be a big deal. And like okay, Now,

673
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: despite all his skills, all his abilities, always bravery, all

674
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 2: of us heroics, all his charming pastimes, it was noteworthy

675
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 2: that all thirty three years that he lives in Homer, Nebraska,

676
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,480
Speaker 2: Old two gun Heart makes no close friends none zero.

677
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 9: Wait didn't he marry the He had a wife, and

678
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 9: he has a wife right, and he has obviously has

679
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 9: a also as a family, they raised four sons, and

680
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 9: just the way he impressed the locals, he also impressed

681
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 9: his sons, like with the shooting skills.

682
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 2: Like one of his sons recalled the story elizabeth An,

683
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 2: Old two gun Heart would have his boys go out

684
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: and line up in the backyard, and then he'd place

685
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 2: cigarettes in their mouthsfully and then he'd order his boys

686
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 2: to stand real still, and then, using his pearl handled

687
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 2: six shooters, he would shoot the cigarette butts in half,

688
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: just cutting him in half of bullets.

689
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: I'm praying that they were facing him in profile.

690
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: Yes, of course in profile, So that's how good he

691
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 2: wasn't shooting. He was got there and press by shooting

692
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 2: for practice. I guess around the same time. This fame

693
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 2: is a law man has spread far enough back east

694
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 2: that in nineteen twenty seven, when the President of the

695
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: United States comes out to the Black Hills to the

696
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: South Dakota, he want, I want two Gun Heart to

697
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 2: be my personal bodyguard. You certain Calvin Coolidge had two

698
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 2: Gun Heart out there as to protect him. So capitalizing anyway,

699
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 2: and all this rough and tumble appeal of the wild

700
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: West still riding high on the prayer. The Associated Press

701
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: they write a syndicated story about this throwback cowboy hero

702
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 2: and they say, and I quote, Heart has had a

703
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 2: hand in the capture of more than twenty murderers while

704
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,520
Speaker 2: covering twelve reservations. In the last year. He brought in

705
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 2: three Indian killers. He has been a cowboy soldier and

706
00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: police officer a beat of more than two hundred square miles,

707
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: with supervision over more than eight hundred his Heart's domain.

708
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: He travels by foot, in car, horseback, on snowshoes and skis.

709
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 2: His work is different from that of his regular officers

710
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: or detectives, for the criminals he captures are outdoormen, and

711
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 2: there are few informers who aid him. Yeah, right, So

712
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: now to be fair and accurate, the twenty murderers was

713
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: a little more alleged. That was not the official count,

714
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: but anyway, that same year, nineteen twenty seven, he makes

715
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: national news when he squares off he gets a true

716
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 2: bad man. According to the Aberdeen Daily News, old two

717
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 2: gun Heart was conducted in a raid on the Rosebud Reservation.

718
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: He discovers one hundred gallon moonshine still and one angry

719
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 2: moonshiner two gun Heart. He tells this moonshiner, a guy

720
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 2: named Yancy, that he's under arrest, and Yancey familiar with

721
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: two gun Heart. Everybody knows him if they're in the

722
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 2: business of moonshine. He snarls at the lawman and tells

723
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: him you didn't have them fancy shooting irons. I give

724
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: you a good licking now, two gun Hearts like okay,

725
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 2: bet so He loosens his holster, drops it off his

726
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: hips and lets the pistols fall to his feet, and

727
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 2: he says, all right, go ahead. The bootlegger Yancey charges

728
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 2: the lawman, and, as the Aberdeen Daily News reports, Elizabeth

729
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 2: Yancey succeeded in hitting Heart once with his fist and

730
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 2: then picked up an iron bar and struck at him.

731
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 2: Hart dodged the blow, falling on his shoulder. He then

732
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 2: sailed into Yancey pummeled him so severely that Yancey was

733
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 2: glad to cry.

734
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 4: You know.

735
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,040
Speaker 2: He was badly cutting bruised by the flying fists of

736
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 2: the officer.

737
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 3: Wow.

738
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 2: Yes, anyway, So there's a fellow officer sus City, nother guy,

739
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: local police captain. This guy named Paul Mummert. He often

740
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 2: went out on raids with old two gun Heart and

741
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 2: having seen the man at work, he was duly impressed

742
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: as the old previous patrolman Stoner. Captain Mummert said, and

743
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 2: I quote he could hit a bear bottle maybe at

744
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: one hundred feet from either hip. He was a wonderful officer.

745
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 2: Once we found it still in a cave, there was

746
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 2: a lot of equipment there, and we hated the thought

747
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 2: of lugging at all with us. Hearts it, I'll take

748
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: care of it. He spilled gasoline all around. We told

749
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 2: him he'd kill himself, but he just yelled, you boys

750
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: get back, and he set the whole thing on fire

751
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 2: from a few feet away, blew his ten gallon hat

752
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 2: right off.

753
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 3: Is not the safest birden.

754
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: No, no, no, anyway, there was another time, when a

755
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,400
Speaker 2: rumor went out that Old two gun Heart had been

756
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: shot and killed in a gunfight with bad men, and

757
00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: he wasn't seen for many days, the rumor was assumed

758
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 2: to be true. Meanwhile, the locals, they all go out

759
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 2: to the annual rodeo for some like homegrown entertainment. Who

760
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 2: should ride up to the rodeo? But Old two gun

761
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: Heart back from the dead. The locals went wild out

762
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: the side of him, right like a gunfight in Jesus. Anyway,

763
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty something changes, I don't know, but to be honest,

764
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: a lot of things changed. There's something called the Great Depression,

765
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: and it was doing a number on the folks in

766
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,959
Speaker 2: the prairie. But no different for two gun Heart. He

767
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 2: at this point he'd eye in a fight in Sioux's City. Yeah,

768
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 2: the family of a man he'd arrested. They catch up

769
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 2: to him and they beat him with brass knuckles and

770
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: he loses an eye. And also so he gets a

771
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: glass eye and to replace that, but his one good

772
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 2: eye is also starting to go. So now he's like

773
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 2: down to like half like a quarter vision.

774
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

775
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: Anyway, prohibition ends in nineteen thirty three, so he's out

776
00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: of a job, so he has to leave that behind.

777
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: He gets his his glory days as a prohibition agent

778
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: or now sun set it. He's got to get work.

779
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:26,319
Speaker 2: He works his arrange detectives. Now he's got to go

780
00:34:26,320 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: out riding on a sore saddle, you know, like it's

781
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 2: it's tough for an older guy. Now he's tracking down

782
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 2: stolen livestock. You know, he's also working as a stock

783
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: inspector for the ranchers the Cattleman. By nineteen thirty five, though,

784
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 2: he's back in Homer, Nebraska. He's reappointed the town's marshal.

785
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,439
Speaker 2: They're like, wow, you know he's here's your badge bag.

786
00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

787
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: Right, And so at this point he's accused of breaking

788
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: into a grocery store late at night and stealing canned

789
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 2: goods to feed his family. Oh no, one of the

790
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,399
Speaker 2: stories he's accused of stealing from was his own father

791
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 2: in lawt store. Remember he owned a grocery store. Ye anyway,

792
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,240
Speaker 2: so it's full circle the grocer.

793
00:34:58,360 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 5: Yeah.

794
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 2: Anyway, So the town's Foklahomer. They were disappointed with their lawmen.

795
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: But you know he's now a criminal.

796
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 3: Disappointed in the townsfolk.

797
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 4: This guy like did everything for you for years letting

798
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 4: him suffer like that.

799
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,399
Speaker 2: You're a big character, You're so he loses his job

800
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: as a marshal. He gets removed as the head of

801
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 2: the American Legion. Also because somebody in the American Legion

802
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: starts getting suspicious the old two gun Heart may not

803
00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 2: have gone off to war in Europe. So they contacted

804
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: the Department of the Army and then requested his records,

805
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: and the records were confirmed their suspicions were correct. He

806
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 2: never actually served, never with the army. He's made up

807
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,919
Speaker 2: all his battlefield bravery and the medals pinned on my chest.

808
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 2: But General Blackjack person himself.

809
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 3: Trust the ones who crow about it.

810
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:38,640
Speaker 2: All a lie. So two Gun Heart had fallen on

811
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,399
Speaker 2: truly hard times. Yeah, now that the truth was coming

812
00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: out about him, the damn was broken because soon enough

813
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: the full truth would be revealed. Elizabeth. Wait, when we

814
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 2: got back, I'll tell you who two gun Heart really

815
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: was and what that great American family he belonged to.

816
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 2: All right, Elizabeth, ar you ready for the truth to

817
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:18,720
Speaker 2: be revealed, to be dropped?

818
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: I am so excited for this.

819
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,600
Speaker 2: Okay. So the cat we've been calling two gun Heart,

820
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 2: he was born in Italy you're correct. He was born

821
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,719
Speaker 2: in Naples, Italy, before he and his parents emigrated to

822
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 2: the US.

823
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

824
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: They first, as I told you, arrived in Canada. Then

825
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: they moved to Brooklyn, where he was raised and he

826
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: later became the eldest of a brood of kids. And

827
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 2: that was all before he went out west. But when

828
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 2: he was born, his name was James Vincenzo Capone.

829
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 3: Stop.

830
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: His younger were Ralph Bottles Capone and Al Scarface Capone.

831
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: Get out of town?

832
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 2: What two gun Heart, the old school wild West cowboy

833
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 2: hero and Prohibition agent, was the big brother of Al Capone,

834
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 2: the most notorious gangster and bootlegger of the Prohibition era.

835
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 3: And he's just cracking school.

836
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:10,799
Speaker 2: Never heard I know, I've never heard this. How is

837
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: this not a movie? How is this not a movie?

838
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 2: This is one hundred true two gun Hard, So also

839
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 2: get this. Two gun Heart once saved his baby brother,

840
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 2: long before he earned his nickname is Scarface. This is

841
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 2: back when the whole Capone family was living in Brooklyn.

842
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: And so one day, the older brother, he's the oldest brother, Vincenzo.

843
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 2: He's out wandering the streets, chasing after some fun with

844
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,479
Speaker 2: his brothers and well, they run into some trouble because

845
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: you know, it's just the sack of the day. And

846
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: after it all went down, Vincenzo he has to leave

847
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 2: town and baby brother al Capone. It sets him on

848
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 2: his course to becoming the most famous gangster of all time.

849
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 3: Huh.

850
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 2: Their stories separate in the same moment. One becomes a

851
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: law man, a great prohibition agent. One becomes the great

852
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: prohibition gangster, all because of the same moment in time Vincenzo.

853
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 2: Vincenzo changes his name, it becomes James Hart, and he.

854
00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 3: Got into trouble and that's what he had to run

855
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:00,120
Speaker 3: out of time.

856
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 2: They both did.

857
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 5: Well.

858
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 2: Here, let me just tell you about it, Elizabeth, I

859
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: like you to picture it. It's Brooklyn, New York, nineteen

860
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 2: oh four. At the moment, it's early evening on a

861
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: summer night. The sun is hugging the horizon. Light still

862
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: paints the faces of the tall new buildings and warms

863
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: the streets that snow the horse droppers. Since it's nineteen

864
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,439
Speaker 2: oh four, nearly no one in New York has a car.

865
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: It's a dynamic time though. In New York, Elizabeth, the

866
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: city is being made a new, new architecture reaches high

867
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: up into the sky, scraping at the clouds. Thus the

868
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 2: nickname for these new stone faced edifices and an even

869
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: more impressive steel boomed, glass skinned buildings. In this same year,

870
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: nineteen oh four, the construction of the New York Subway

871
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: is just starting. Wherever you look in Brooklyn you can

872
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: see the borough is home to all manner of immigrants,

873
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: people from across the globe. Many of them, most a

874
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 2: lot of them are young kids who fill the streets

875
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 2: in order to escape the cold water tenement buildings where

876
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 2: their family members are all piled on top of one another.

877
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: The street off of the youngs in space and freedom.

878
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 2: And you, Elizabeth, are a flower merchant. You love to

879
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 2: watch the case. You push your card into the street.

880
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 7: And take their place among the road merchants, hawking their wares,

881
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 7: their produce, whatever they want. You enjoy all the sights

882
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 7: and the sounds of the Brooklyn street. The sound of

883
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 7: the oyster men boasting of having the freshest selfish and

884
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 7: the kosher of picklemen, and his sonorous voice advertising his

885
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 7: delicious crunchy pickles. There's the sausage guy, the hot potato guy,

886
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 7: the peanut man, likes to knock out a distinctive little

887
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 7: rhythm on the barrel of his peanuts.

888
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: It's a joyous cacophony. Into the scene. You spy a

889
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 2: group of boys lately in Brooklyn. The boys have been

890
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 2: engaging in these tremendous rock fights. Boys from neighboring streets

891
00:39:39,840 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: meet in empty lots and alleys for armed combat. But

892
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: their choice of combat arms is rocks, stones, chunks of

893
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 2: brick masonry. In fact, a friend of yours, an older lady,

894
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: she caught a stray rock just the other day. That's

895
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: why you keep your eye on the boys as they

896
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 2: make their way through the street market. You recognize this

897
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 2: group of boys. It's the Capone brothers. You see that

898
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: James Foncenzo Capone is out stalking the street the Brooklyn

899
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 2: with his brothers Ralph and Frank and John and Albert.

900
00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: Baby brother Matthew, you must be still too young to

901
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 2: take to the streets with his big brothers. The youngest

902
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 2: of the brothers, the ones out on the street this

903
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:12,720
Speaker 2: evening is Albert, he's five years old, and the oldest

904
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 2: is James Fonncenzo. He's twelve and the leader of the gang.

905
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: He watched the boys as they head for the corner,

906
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:19,759
Speaker 2: but they don't make it before a second set of

907
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 2: neighborhood boys meets them, and on site you can see

908
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:24,479
Speaker 2: it's about to go down. The second set of boys

909
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 2: are all carrying rocks in their hands, ready for battle.

910
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 2: They shout at each other. The Italian boys, the Copones

911
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,520
Speaker 2: and the other boys speaking with is that Irish lilt

912
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 2: of English are all clearly neighborhood rivals, Elizabeth. You gauge

913
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: the distance. You hope none of the boys have bad aim,

914
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: but a strong arm. Then it happens. The rocks are tossed,

915
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 2: stones are thrown, shouts turned to fists. Even though he's

916
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 2: the youngest, baby brother out the Pone is given his all.

917
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,400
Speaker 2: He is fearless. Middle brothers John and frankly hold their

918
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,959
Speaker 2: own as well. Baby brother Out he's fighting a kid

919
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 2: twice as big as them. One of the older Copone boys, Ralph,

920
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 2: throws a boy into some fresh horse droppings. Kid lands

921
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 2: face first in the steaming file. You kind of snicker.

922
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 2: Ralph Pone laughs as well. Vincenzo is busy wrestling some

923
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 2: big Irish boy. John and Frank grab produce from a

924
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 2: cart and begin to pelt the other kids. And then, Elizabeth,

925
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: you see baby brother al separated from his brothers. The

926
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 2: bigger kid he's been fighting. He pulls out a knife.

927
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 2: These kids don't play. You think to yourself, there's no

928
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 2: signs of a cop walking the beat. No help. You

929
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,760
Speaker 2: hope someone comes by soon. Meanwhile, you see baby brother

930
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,839
Speaker 2: al Capone square up against this bigger kid, the one

931
00:41:25,840 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: wielding the knife, and the kid uses it. He slashes

932
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: al Capone, cutting him. Vincenzo Capone sees this, goes down.

933
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: He runs over, tackles the knife building kids. Vincenzo hits

934
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 2: the kid with so much forced the kid goes flying.

935
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: He crashes into no through a plate glass window of

936
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 2: a dress shop. Glass shatters, the boy disappears into the

937
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: dress shop. You hear him cry. Finally, a beat cop

938
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 2: turns the corner. The copone boy scatter. Meanwhile, you wonder,

939
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 2: whin oh, when will the world be safe from those

940
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: Compone brothers? Down boom, Elizabeth. That was it for Vincenzo

941
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:02,399
Speaker 2: Capon aka James Hard aka a two gun heart. As

942
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,200
Speaker 2: Marcellus Wallace once said in pulp fiction, you lost your

943
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,959
Speaker 2: la privileges. Vincenzo Capone had lost his Brooklyn privileges. Yes,

944
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 2: so he has to leave town because he's pretty sure

945
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: this rival gang there's more of them. The family's big,

946
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:15,720
Speaker 2: and the one he threw through the plate glass window.

947
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: He's pretty sure the family will come looking for revenge.

948
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 2: So this inciting incident, it makes Vincenzo Capone split town.

949
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 2: He disappears into America. He saves his brother Al Capone,

950
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: and then he leaves the family behind, travels west, becomes

951
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: a real life cowboy and a prohibition agent. Oh and

952
00:42:30,080 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 2: also to be clear, I should tell you this, that

953
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 2: cut in the street fight is not the scars that

954
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 2: he gets that makes him Scarface. Oh, I want to

955
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: make sure that was. Yeah, he earns his notorious nickname.

956
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 2: Later he gets three slices to the face and the

957
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: neck from this angry gangster who was pissed off the

958
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 2: young Al Capone told the gangster's baby sister that she

959
00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: had a nice caboose. Yeah. So, anyway, we already covered

960
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 2: how two gun Hearts got his nickname. In past episodes,

961
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 2: we talked about how Bottles Capone got his nickname. What

962
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 2: a group of nickname? Answered the Capone boys, Bottles Scarface

963
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: and Two Guns anyway, Once he left Brooklyn, ol Vincenzo

964
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: Capone aka two Gun Heart, he never looks back, Elizabeth.

965
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 2: I don't know how often he thought of his family

966
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:12,560
Speaker 2: back in New York while he was punching cows in

967
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: Texas and shooting cigarettes out of the mouths of his

968
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 2: boys in Homer, Nebraska. But it's worth recalling. Remember I

969
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 2: said he never made any true friends. Yeah, Yeah, started

970
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 2: to see anyway. Always a man of mystery, this local

971
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:26,879
Speaker 2: character kept everyone at arm's length. Was he had all

972
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 2: in contact with his famous gangster family while he was

973
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: busting bootleggers on the prairie. Had he been in contact them?

974
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: And then he was pretending to go enlist in the

975
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 2: army and fight in the Great War, Yeah, seems like not.

976
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:39,720
Speaker 2: I looked up. I could not find any reports or anything.

977
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,680
Speaker 2: So it seems that he just disappeared for a while,

978
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: came back the Capone family. They knew nothing of what

979
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,959
Speaker 2: happened to young Vincenzo. Even if they would have seen

980
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 2: one of his mini national news stories. The family obviously

981
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: didn't recognize his new adopted identity because he's this guy

982
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: James Hart.

983
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, they wouldn't connect it. Could you imagine they're reading

984
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: about it.

985
00:43:57,760 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 2: Photo it's some of the later pictures. There's clear photos

986
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:02,399
Speaker 2: of him in the paper. Yeah, means, and he looks

987
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: like a copone, so but with a cowboy hat on

988
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: a fancy vest.

989
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, if you're not looking for it.

990
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: And meanwhile, was he he's unaware of his younger brothers

991
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: rise to fame in the criminal world. He has no

992
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:13,879
Speaker 2: idea what they're doing.

993
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 3: We had to have known until they.

994
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,120
Speaker 2: Become scarface in the Chicago outfit. Yeah that's years later,

995
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 2: from like nineteen o four to the twenties, right, right,

996
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,919
Speaker 2: So he kind of anyway, so he's following along. Once

997
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 2: he does realize like, hey al Capone, that's my boy.

998
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:29,320
Speaker 2: Hey Ralph, this is my brother's right, So he starts

999
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: following the news and he's not far Nebraska is not

1000
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,200
Speaker 2: far from Chicago, No, not at all. So he has

1001
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,720
Speaker 2: no idea his younger brothers are scarface and bottles until

1002
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 2: they are the Chicago Outfit and then they're famous, and

1003
00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 2: he starts following their criminal careers, his baby brothers in

1004
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 2: the gangland wars. I. Meanwhile, he's a prohibition agent, so

1005
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 2: he can't really reach out to them, right, so he

1006
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 2: follows along in the news documenting the fight of the

1007
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,720
Speaker 2: copone right, and obviously then the subsequent tax evasion trial

1008
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 2: for his brother, and then he sees his brother Al

1009
00:44:57,239 --> 00:44:59,359
Speaker 2: go to the rock. And this is nineteen thirty seven

1010
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: at this point. This is about the same time. Remember

1011
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:03,960
Speaker 2: in nineteen thirty five is when two Gun Heart goes

1012
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 2: back to Homer, Nebraska, becomes a marshall, and then he

1013
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 2: gets busted robbing the grocery store. So the half blind,

1014
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 2: glass eyed former lawman now reaches out to his family,

1015
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 2: his gangster family, and asks for help.

1016
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 3: Wow.

1017
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,280
Speaker 2: So around the same time, Ralph Bottles Capone is pretty

1018
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 2: much in charge of the family. So he's been busted though,

1019
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 2: and he sent to prison and released. So he's the

1020
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,440
Speaker 2: one who Two gun Heart reaches out to, and his

1021
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: baby brother sends out a family member to check the story.

1022
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 2: He's like, going down to Homer, Nebraska, I don't know

1023
00:45:29,880 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: where it is, go find it and then see this

1024
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: guy says he says he's related, right, So they send

1025
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 2: out like I think John Capone, one of the baby brothers,

1026
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 2: go test him. He didn't know him because he was

1027
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:39,440
Speaker 2: so young. He's like, I don't know it could be

1028
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 2: a maybe he seems like but a man. Maybe somebody

1029
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 2: told him this, right, So he's like, okay, bring him

1030
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 2: back to Chicago. We'll have Mom decide.

1031
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: So oh man.

1032
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: Ralph Bottles Capone finally meets up with two gun Heart

1033
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 2: in Sioux City, Iowa, and then he goes and he

1034
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 2: brings him up to meet mom. He's not going to

1035
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:57,479
Speaker 2: just have the younger son bring him to mom. He goes,

1036
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 2: bring him to Sue City, Iowa. They go and die.

1037
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:01,400
Speaker 2: Then he he's like, they call him up Chicago to

1038
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 2: meet Ma. They arrived, they head out to the South Side,

1039
00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: where Teresa Capone has a nuncio at this point has

1040
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: a big place that her boy's bought her. Right now,

1041
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 2: when Mama Capone sees her first born, what do you think,

1042
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: she says, I don't know. She cries out, that's my boy.

1043
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: Two gun Heart is officially home now. I don't know

1044
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: if he was still wearing his loud cowboy clothes, his

1045
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 2: ten his fancy vest and KICKI boots, but or it's

1046
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 2: pearl handle pistols. I mean his brothers would bust have

1047
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 2: been busting his balls if he did. Anyway, the family

1048
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: accepts him in bottles. Capone sets him up with some property,

1049
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 2: a summer retreat by the lake in Mercer, Wisconsin. He

1050
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: gets them some new clothes, they get him cleaned up.

1051
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 2: They put him on the family payroll, so he starts

1052
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,440
Speaker 2: getting a monthly check. So then this would come back

1053
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 2: to bite two gun Heart in the backside. Yeah, maybe,

1054
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: because in nineteen thirty nine, younger brother al Capone is

1055
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 2: released from Alcatraz and when he gets out, big brother

1056
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: two gun Heart comes home for a family reunion. He

1057
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 2: meets his long loss gangster brother at the summer retreat

1058
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: and Mercer. He returns home, he tells his wife about, Hey, what' back? Okay,

1059
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: I got it, tell you something about my family. Eventually

1060
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,680
Speaker 2: he tells his sons like, okay, there's something you need

1061
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: to know. You're you come from a very famous family. Yeah,

1062
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 2: like not the good guy infamous, a very infamous family.

1063
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 2: So he tells them you're not Hearts, you're Copones and

1064
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: then they go and the oldest he takes the oldest

1065
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 2: one to go meet him. In nineteen forty six, just

1066
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,759
Speaker 2: after the Second World War is over, Two Gun Heart

1067
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 2: he brings his eldest son back to Chicago to meet

1068
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 2: the family, he meets his uncle Scarface and his uncle Bottles.

1069
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: By this point, Al Capone is suffering badly from syphilis.

1070
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:32,320
Speaker 2: He's losing his mind. Right, it's not a pretty picture. Yeah,

1071
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,440
Speaker 2: but he's still lucid enough that Two Gun Hearts like,

1072
00:47:34,480 --> 00:47:36,359
Speaker 2: we'll talk to my son, right, And then he's telling

1073
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,439
Speaker 2: his son, don't listen to anything. He says, I don't

1074
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: want you to end up like him. We're still law abiders.

1075
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 2: But meanwhile, back on Homer, Nebraska, we're just starting to

1076
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:46,479
Speaker 2: spread because the sons just could not help but tell

1077
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: somebody and seems, you know, boop, it gets slipped out.

1078
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 2: And then eventually a local banker noticed that two Guns

1079
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: was suddenly receiving weekly's cashier checks from a bank in Ciso, Illinois.

1080
00:47:56,280 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: And everybody knew what Ciso, Illinois was back then, the

1081
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 2: town that belongs Capone. So anyway, Two Gun Hearts he's

1082
00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: still trying to pass it off as he's received this

1083
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 2: sizeable inheritance from his distant family. Subpar cover story, let

1084
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: me tell you, Lizabeth, it only added to the mystery

1085
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,520
Speaker 2: of Two Gun Heart and oh, though true to his

1086
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: nature as a local character, he doesn't mind all the speculation, right,

1087
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 2: it makes it more colorful. His own brother in law, Harold,

1088
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: he discovers his secret, as he claims, all by himself

1089
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: and I quote, I figured out then who he was.

1090
00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: The magazines had a lot of stories of the Capone

1091
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: funeral and the family, and all the family's first names

1092
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: were the same as the names of the Chicago relatives

1093
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 2: Dick always talked about. He was always talking Uncle Ralph.

1094
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 2: So you get the idea. Yeah, he busts him out

1095
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: and it was like, yeah, pretty good. It's like all

1096
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: Elizabeth move. So his brother Acapone passes away in forty seven,

1097
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: two gun Heart doesn't make the trip back for the funeral,

1098
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: though he was still trying to keep his secret identity unknown.

1099
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:51,759
Speaker 2: Then in fifty one the full truth comes out because

1100
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 2: remember he gets to put on the family payroll. Well,

1101
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 2: the Feds go after Bottles Capone and then when they

1102
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:59,919
Speaker 2: open up the books, boom, look what they find. It's

1103
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: two gun Heart, a prohibition agent getting a payoff from

1104
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: the Capone family makes him look all sorts of hanky.

1105
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: So when Bottles Copone is getting investigated, the authorities they

1106
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 2: dig through all his financial records. They follow the money

1107
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,759
Speaker 2: trail they discover the long lost Capone brother on.

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00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:14,640
Speaker 5: Their own DA.

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00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:17,879
Speaker 2: Understandably, the agents are like, wait what because the full

1110
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:20,280
Speaker 2: money trail revealed that he also had a summer retreated

1111
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: in Mercer, Wisconsin. And then so not only was he

1112
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 2: on the Copone family he ye role, he has property

1113
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,919
Speaker 2: and there was other properties as well. Anyway, his own

1114
00:49:28,960 --> 00:49:33,000
Speaker 2: brother bottles Capone his defense attorneys. They subpoena two gun

1115
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: Heart to come and testify on his brother's behalf, and

1116
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:39,000
Speaker 2: they in open federal court in Chicago. His wife's like,

1117
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,560
Speaker 2: I am not going. He's like, maybe come on please,

1118
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 2: He's like, I am not going. Ze like I prefer

1119
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 2: to stay home tend my garden. Remember she's in Nebraska

1120
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,800
Speaker 2: War at this point. So in the end she couldn't

1121
00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 2: let her husband go face the music on his own.

1122
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 2: She makes the trip with him. She goes to Chicago.

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00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,800
Speaker 2: His sons at this point they still respect him, Like

1124
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: when the news comes around and they're asking him, well,

1125
00:49:57,560 --> 00:49:59,880
Speaker 2: what's what's it like having a Capone as a father,

1126
00:50:00,040 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 2: And they're like, you can say for me that he

1127
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: has been as fine a dad to me and my

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00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 2: brother as anyone could ask for. I'm proud of him, Well,

1129
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 2: so there you go. Me, he's good dad. So guess

1130
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,560
Speaker 2: they gotten over that whole shooting cigarettes out of the

1131
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 2: mouth period of time Capone family. The money hadn't changed

1132
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 2: them though, right. The family still maintained a comfortable two

1133
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 2: story white frame house, modest chickens, lush garden. They also

1134
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 2: had a cocker Spaniel named Danny. And I actually love

1135
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,280
Speaker 2: it when dogs have human first names. All Danny, Gary, Ted.

1136
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 3: I always have dogs with human first na.

1137
00:50:30,080 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 2: I know you like Wallace.

1138
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,200
Speaker 3: I loved Wallace.

1139
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: My mom's got Morty and Elliott. Yeah you got it. Yeah,

1140
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:40,359
Speaker 2: it just tickles me so much. Anyway, too, got Hart

1141
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: his wife. They make the trip Chicago, he testifies an

1142
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,919
Speaker 2: open cord on his brother's behalf secret is now fully out.

1143
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 2: It's like national news. Everyone's like, there's another Capone. Yeah,

1144
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: and he's a prohibition agent. Yeah, where's the cowboy boots? Also,

1145
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: his father in law call him too gun heart. So

1146
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 2: once they everybody know knows that he's a attached to

1147
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 2: al Capone and al Capone as a cowboy brother, you know,

1148
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 2: it's a whole thing. The locals in Homer, Nebraska, they

1149
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:08,920
Speaker 2: start getting asked about it, and there are signs that

1150
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: they say the two Gun Heart was not your typical

1151
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: Western hero, right. For one, his flamboyant style of dress,

1152
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 2: well yeah, the big brimmed hats, the loud shirts and

1153
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: vest it was almost like he was like an Italian

1154
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 2: on the prairie. So there's this curious habit. Also of

1155
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 2: having a thick money roll on him. He was known

1156
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 2: to pull up fat water cash. People thought it was

1157
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 2: show money, but he would have like a roll of

1158
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: hundreds from the prairie. He's like a Chicago gangster coming

1159
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 2: into the general store.

1160
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,800
Speaker 3: Was the father Capone? Was he crooked?

1161
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: Was he in the father the family, in the mafia,

1162
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:44,200
Speaker 2: in the Naples? I do not know. I could not

1163
00:51:44,239 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: answer that well enough. I would assume there may have

1164
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,360
Speaker 2: been some family, but I do not know. I have

1165
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 2: no idea. Where was I. Oh, yes, so he's in

1166
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 2: court at this point, right, So he's in Chicago. He's

1167
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,440
Speaker 2: got federal court truths finally revealed, not whispered in, rumored anymore. Right,

1168
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: it's now inarguably revealed, big headlines two gun Hard. So

1169
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 2: someone asked him in court, like, now that everybody knows

1170
00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: your secret, Well, I guess it's the prosecutor a person. Yes,

1171
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,399
Speaker 2: the third row. What was a question, Two gun Hard,

1172
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 2: I got a it's more of a comment. Had a question.

1173
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 2: The prosecutor asked, Right now the world knows that you're

1174
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 2: a Capone. Are you going to keep your adopted name

1175
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:27,520
Speaker 2: and identity? You can keep being a cowboy? Yeah, so

1176
00:52:28,200 --> 00:52:30,080
Speaker 2: you know he's on the witness stands here gun Hard.

1177
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 2: He thinks for a moment. He paused, I certainly am

1178
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 2: I've had it so long it's legal. Yeah, I guess.

1179
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:38,440
Speaker 2: So that was a common law marriage on an identity.

1180
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 2: So when he asked if he was perturbed to learn

1181
00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 2: that he was a compone, two gun Heart said, why

1182
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 2: should I be ashamed of it? I didn't have nothing

1183
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: to do with it. Oh yeah, it's true, right, I

1184
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: mean you can. Heart can't really argue with it. But

1185
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,719
Speaker 2: this is where he must set down to this strange

1186
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: tale of American culture, because a short time later the

1187
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:56,439
Speaker 2: next year, two Gun Heart aka Vincenzo Capone passed away

1188
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: in Homer, Nebraska. He leaves the world in the same

1189
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: town where he jumped out of that freight train thirty

1190
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:04,320
Speaker 2: three years prior, looking for his piece of the American dream.

1191
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 2: He got it got it right so many ways. Many

1192
00:53:07,120 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 2: of those ways were an outright lie, but hey, whatever,

1193
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: this is America. So Elizabeth, what's our ridiculous takeaway?

1194
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I am.

1195
00:53:13,680 --> 00:53:17,880
Speaker 4: I'm just fascinated by his ability to, uh, you know,

1196
00:53:17,960 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 4: it's so American and it's so Western to just redefine

1197
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 4: oneself and decide you're going to be something totally different convincingly.

1198
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 4: What I was asking about his father being you know,

1199
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:33,399
Speaker 4: mafia adjacent or in it. You know, are these these

1200
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,640
Speaker 4: little ticks that he picked up as a child of

1201
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:38,359
Speaker 4: seeing his father walk around with hernt of cash or

1202
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 4: keeping cat But I mean, then again, you really didn't

1203
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 4: have to be in the mafia to keep cash like

1204
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:46,120
Speaker 4: on a pillow. Yeah, and so you know, but the

1205
00:53:46,160 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 4: little things that it's the nature nurture. What is something

1206
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,399
Speaker 4: that's just like inherent in him? And what little things

1207
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,759
Speaker 4: did he pick up in the first twelve years of

1208
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 4: his life, oh, that he carried on with him as

1209
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 4: fascinating Zarin.

1210
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: Yes, Elizabeth, how you doing anyway? So I do have

1211
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,879
Speaker 2: a ridiculous takeaway. Thanks, you're asking it's the same one

1212
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,800
Speaker 2: as you basically, but instead of the father, I was

1213
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,239
Speaker 2: thinking about it from his brother al Capone. Yeah, so

1214
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 2: al Capone and James Hard We do know about both

1215
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:12,799
Speaker 2: of them. I don't know too much about the father.

1216
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: But when you compare Scarface and two Gun Heart, you

1217
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: see that the brothers basically, even though they're on the

1218
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 2: opposite sides or prohibition, they're very similar, right, They have

1219
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 2: very similar traits tendencies. They both like to live well,

1220
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: to look good, to be memorable characters. They opt to

1221
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 2: take risks, They use intelligence and violence to get their way.

1222
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,759
Speaker 2: They have this undeniable sense of people. They know how

1223
00:54:32,760 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 2: to operate people, how to use their will to get

1224
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,920
Speaker 2: the job done, like to enforce their will on reality,

1225
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:40,439
Speaker 2: I mean, whatever the job may be. And they're both

1226
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,240
Speaker 2: the sort of men that others like to talk about,

1227
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: and they liked to be talked about, and they generate

1228
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,800
Speaker 2: a good copy and I obviously plenty of headlines. Sure,

1229
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: and they were both bigger than life. So maybe there's

1230
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 2: something about the nature of the nurture or who knows.

1231
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, why not both?

1232
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: So anyways, they say, there you go, that's awesome. Yeah, prettucerd,

1233
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 2: we were thinking about a talkback just to clear the air.

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00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: What do you think, Elizabeth, I would love that I

1235
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:07,320
Speaker 2: got one for you. Here you go. Oh god, oh

1236
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 2: my god, super I love ge.

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00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 5: Hi.

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00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 8: My name is Elizabeth and I just listened to the

1239
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 8: Byzantium episode. It reminded me of a personality we have

1240
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 8: here in Memphis who calls himself Prince Mango and says

1241
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,280
Speaker 8: he's from the planet Zambodia, born there open three hundred

1242
00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:29,880
Speaker 8: years ago. He says he's sent here to save the earth.

1243
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 8: He ran for mayor of Memphis and Shelby County multiple

1244
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 8: times in the eighties and nineties and always lost. He

1245
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,839
Speaker 8: eventually opened a nightclub and a property called Ashlar Hall, and.

1246
00:55:39,760 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 3: That has since closed. But it's ridiculous, ridiculous and awesome.

1247
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that.

1248
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 4: Thank you, Elizabeth. From one Elizabeth to another. That was

1249
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 4: a great I like that well.

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