WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: WILLOW 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:05.720 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Okay, this 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:10.200 is not gonna be awkward, is it. Oh well, let 0:00:10.240 --> 0:00:13.400 me let our listeners know. This is one of those 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:17.680 rarety one on one sessions. Actually, often in the group 0:00:17.760 --> 0:00:19.640 chat say that we should do more one on one 0:00:19.680 --> 0:00:24.080 sessions because it allows us to deep dive without having 0:00:24.560 --> 0:00:28.080 five people kind of attack you from each angle. I 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.120 was fighting to get our questions in. So, of course, 0:00:31.280 --> 0:00:33.479 ladies and gentlemen, this is quest Love Supreme. I'm your 0:00:33.479 --> 0:00:37.920 host quest Love Shout out to the fam Sugar, Steve 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:42.640 f On, Tigelo on paid Bill Laya. When people often say, 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:45.680 you know, I don't have any regrets in life, no 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:50.000 regrets whatsoever, I might have a slight regret, Oh my goodness, 0:00:50.240 --> 0:00:53.920 I would say my slight regret is that it took 0:00:53.960 --> 0:00:58.800 me five decades to reach a point of and I'll 0:00:58.840 --> 0:01:04.000 say this with air quotes enlightenment and even that's questionable 0:01:04.600 --> 0:01:08.399 or it's still same musical enlightenment, no life enlightenment. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:09.200 Oh okay. 0:01:09.319 --> 0:01:13.720 And often dream and fantasize, like what my life would 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:20.360 have been had the mind state I've reached now in 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:23.360 my fifth decade of life, Like what would have happened 0:01:23.400 --> 0:01:27.080 to me if I had this power. Well, I've always 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.240 had the power, but I just never turned the light 0:01:29.319 --> 0:01:33.080 on if I had this at say in my early 0:01:33.120 --> 0:01:37.840 thirties or even my early forties. And you know, I 0:01:37.959 --> 0:01:41.640 dream about like how magical my life could have been 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:45.440 if my self confidence, or my creative process, or my 0:01:45.480 --> 0:01:49.160 spiritual grounding all those things were just the overall philosophy 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:51.560 of just dealing with things. 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.000 That we deal with every day. 0:01:53.040 --> 0:01:56.320 People pleasing and all those things. Yes, And that's just 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.520 me wondering about, like if I were in my thirties forties, 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:05.160 and you know, I'm giving me honor of talking to 0:02:05.280 --> 0:02:08.000 a human secretly in my mind, I say, Pleadian. 0:02:12.960 --> 0:02:13.720 I love that. 0:02:14.000 --> 0:02:19.000 Yeah, But you know you're of the age I was 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.560 when I first gotten this industry. Like when my first 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:27.120 album came out, I was twenty three years old, and 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:33.040 it took me three decades to finally get grounded. Like 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:37.600 my life is just starting now in my early fifties, 0:02:37.919 --> 0:02:43.480 and so you know, I'm only wondering, like, what will 0:02:43.520 --> 0:02:46.640 your life be like in twenty fifty four when you 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:47.640 are in your fifties? 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:50.880 Whatay fifty four doesn't even sound real? That sounds like. 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:54.040 A I'm gonna tell you something. So when I started 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.880 in ninety two, and maybe because you know, when you're 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:00.880 when you're a twelve year old and Prince releases his 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:05.680 fifth album nineteen ninety nine, and you're twelve, just even 0:03:05.720 --> 0:03:08.600 looking at the album covered, nineteen ninety nine seemed like 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.480 the future, like it seemed like, you know whatever, I 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.800 thought this yeah, like and now, you know, I often 0:03:16.919 --> 0:03:19.399 joke that now when I think of nineteen ninety nine, 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:22.200 I just think of like the matching denim that Justin 0:03:22.280 --> 0:03:26.360 and Britney wore on the MTV Totally Carpet. And so 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.920 now twenty fifty four is you know, that's when you'll 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.480 be in your fifties, and I just wonder, like what 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:37.360 that's going to be like. I'm absolutely gobsmacked at our 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:43.760 guest's rapid growth in songwriting and her singing, her song arrangements, 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:49.520 her musicianship, her abilities to pick the right collaborators, and 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:55.200 most importantly, her willingness to be vulnerable kind of and 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:59.400 on a public stage, which is really, really truly hard. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:04.120 I think or black people often don't allow emotions or 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:08.920 feelings into their lives because there's often a penalty, or 0:04:09.680 --> 0:04:11.400 we say that there's a penalty. 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:14.600 For it, there has been. 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:19.479 So whenever I see someone even remotely going there to 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:24.599 do that, because I'm also noticing that if we don't 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:28.800 allow be it dark emotions or light emotions, if we 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:32.000 don't allow that stuff to process, then that's the quickest 0:04:32.000 --> 0:04:37.440 way to winding up being an obituary, because you you know, 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:42.400 you died of whatever trying to escape exactly. And so 0:04:43.520 --> 0:04:46.480 I really applaud that. So our guest today is giving 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:50.839 me the honor of a conversation and helping her celebrate 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:56.400 the release of her excellent new album and Pathogen, not 0:04:56.480 --> 0:04:59.320 to mention your new novel, Black Shield Maiden. What can 0:04:59.360 --> 0:05:03.960 I say? I'm talking to Willi Smith Willo, professionally known 0:05:03.960 --> 0:05:05.240 as Willow. How are you? 0:05:05.440 --> 0:05:08.400 I'm so good, I'm honored to be here, all right. 0:05:08.440 --> 0:05:15.200 So, for me, album releases are like given birth. Yes, 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:21.320 And as a person who's been holding on to his 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.840 eighteenth child for ten years now, who you know, Tarika 0:05:25.839 --> 0:05:29.159 and I had a conversation of like, okay, we cannot 0:05:29.279 --> 0:05:32.480 let an eleventh year go by and not release this record. Yes, 0:05:33.160 --> 0:05:38.960 what is the feeling when you let it go into 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:41.479 the public talk to me about twenty four hours before. 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.400 What's the thoughts in your head? 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.839 The thoughts in my head are, oh, my goodness, I've 0:05:46.880 --> 0:05:50.040 been talking myself up this hill and it's gonna come 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:52.520 out and no one's gonna think it's special, and I'm 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:55.880 gonna be sitting there going oh, shouldn't have trusted myself 0:05:55.920 --> 0:05:57.840 that time. That's the dark end of it. 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.559 Oh see, you thought there's gonna be yet another tree 0:06:00.560 --> 0:06:03.320 that falls in the forest that no one just people shrug. 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:07.479 I was hoping in the depths of my heart that 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.000 it wasn't going to be, because I really put my 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:11.719 heart and soul into this and crafted it in a 0:06:11.760 --> 0:06:14.840 way that I felt like it deserved a little bit 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.440 of recognition even But no, those are the dark thoughts 0:06:18.480 --> 0:06:20.520 that go through your mind. But then there's this feeling 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:22.800 of excitement like, oh my goodness, Like what if it 0:06:22.839 --> 0:06:24.920 really is as special as I really think it is? 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.640 And so those two sides are kind of warring with 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:28.159 one another. 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.560 Yeah, I'm gonna explain to you how I let your 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.840 art into my life because it was the most unlikely. 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.640 I mean, yes, I've always been aware that you existed. Yeah, 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.360 I'm a guy that takes in everything. But I think 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.120 when you take it in everything, you don't sit with it, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:50.800 and so it takes a lot for me to sit 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:53.720 with it past the purchase ate. Yeah, like I'll listen 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:56.880 to each record and not the obligatory like okay, I'll 0:06:56.920 --> 0:06:59.480 give it a thirty second test, thirty second test next, 0:07:00.200 --> 0:07:02.400 like I'll sit with an album or so. And there's 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:06.839 some artists that are so amazing that I actually see 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:10.400 their artwork ad okay. So, of course, to give full 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:15.680 context totally, we are speaking, let's say a week after 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:22.160 the what I'm calling the the Unfortunate sparring rounds of 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:28.520 Drake and Kenchrick Lamar. And of course, you know, hip 0:07:28.520 --> 0:07:30.360 hop is one of those things in which you know 0:07:30.680 --> 0:07:32.600 it's you know, it's almost like prayer. I two and 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:34.600 more gathered than you know, it's going to be a 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:37.840 conversation about it. And I told a friend of mine, 0:07:37.840 --> 0:07:40.680 I said, you know, I love Kendrick's work, but I 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:44.680 see kendricks works so almost so overwhelming that I take 0:07:44.680 --> 0:07:48.080 it in like a movie, like I love Raging Bull 0:07:48.160 --> 0:07:53.480 by right, Yeah, I've seen Raging Bull like seven times. 0:07:54.360 --> 0:07:58.160 I've listened to Thriller probably three hundred thousand times, and 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:02.120 it's almost like with Kendricks them. Yeah, but with Kendrick's work, 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:04.960 he doesn't release the kind of music that like, I'll 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:06.400 just put it on the background and you. 0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:08.040 Know, yeah, no, you gotta listen. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.240 You gotta look and stare at the speaker. Yeah, And 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.600 especially with this latest round of work, like I found 0:08:13.600 --> 0:08:17.120 myself on YouTube like slowing the pace down to the 0:08:17.160 --> 0:08:20.960 slowest to you know, to to absorb it. 0:08:21.120 --> 0:08:23.119 That's the one thing I love about old school rap. 0:08:23.360 --> 0:08:24.840 You can hear what they're saying. 0:08:27.360 --> 0:08:27.800 Getting old. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.000 No, No, I feel the same way. 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:33.600 No, but I feel like your generation is way more 0:08:33.600 --> 0:08:37.600 advanced than my generation, as it should be. It's evolution 0:08:38.040 --> 0:08:38.800 as it should be. 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.640 I'm tempted to be like advancing, like what ways, because 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.240 I would be the one to say that, like you 0:08:45.360 --> 0:08:47.320 being like, let me so slow this down so I 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.280 can listen to it. Like to me, that feels like, 0:08:50.320 --> 0:08:52.480 oh no, we're just getting so fast, fast fast that 0:08:52.559 --> 0:08:55.679 the idea like our minds or like chipmunks, you know 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:57.520 what I'm saying, Like we're getting to where it's like, ah, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:08:58.679 like what are we even saying? 0:08:58.840 --> 0:09:03.280 I was really shocked at how blatant and direct you 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:07.320 are with your messaging, you know what I mean. Yeah, 0:09:07.400 --> 0:09:10.160 Like the second you said the word feelings, I stopped 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.240 and I was like, wait, black people never talk about feelings. Yeah, 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.920 we have void feelings at all at all costs. Right. 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:19.040 And then when you went to the bridge about I 0:09:19.080 --> 0:09:21.000 have big problems and kept repeating it, I was. 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:24.000 Like, way, I have problems too, Yes. 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:25.640 Wait is she singing about me? 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:27.440 Like literally big feelings? 0:09:27.480 --> 0:09:29.480 Is? I used to call it an anti pop song, 0:09:30.360 --> 0:09:34.560 but I legitimately feel like, no, it's actually a pop song. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:35.680 Like it's crazy. 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:40.200 So George Clinton once explained the magic of Funkadelic songs 0:09:41.120 --> 0:09:44.960 great examples not just need deep where not just knee 0:09:44.960 --> 0:09:47.800 deep as like a ten minute song on their album 0:09:47.880 --> 0:09:53.240 and which there's about maybe seventeen micro courses totally all courses, 0:09:53.600 --> 0:09:57.199 not versus, and it sticks to you and thus it's like, okay, 0:09:57.200 --> 0:09:59.200 well this part, yeah, dale I Soul used that for 0:09:59.280 --> 0:10:02.720 me myself, and Snoop used that for this. But then 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:07.320 like just the small messaging, it's almost like you get 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.480 to pick which part of the song you like. So 0:10:11.600 --> 0:10:16.480 that to me is the smartest way of even though 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.640 it might be boxed up in what might seem like 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:21.160 a very complex. 0:10:21.320 --> 0:10:24.040 It's gift wrapped in a very complex wrapping, but it's 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:25.640 simple exactly. 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.800 And that's that's what means. That also the magic of 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:30.400 you're doing something I haven't seen since the days of Prince. 0:10:30.520 --> 0:10:32.080 The idea of Prince is that, oh he's just a 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:35.240 really complex musician. No, no, no, no. He made three 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:39.040 tier work slightly. He gave something for the athletes and 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.559 the nerds in the back, and he had something that 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.920 even five year olds could follow and somewhere in between. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.400 So you do that. So what I want to know 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:51.800 is I have reason to believe that your evolution journey 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.439 starts the day and you know disclosure. Yes, I've read 0:10:55.480 --> 0:11:00.480 your Dad's been more. I read it twice. Wow. And 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:06.720 so when he talks about the haircut, yeah, and that moment, 0:11:06.760 --> 0:11:10.160 my first thing was like wow, Like, what young teenager 0:11:10.320 --> 0:11:11.120 has that much? 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:12.640 I wasn't even a teenager yet. 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:14.240 Well you you were eleven? 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.760 Yeah, I was like eleven. Yeah. 0:11:16.920 --> 0:11:19.280 I was like wow, that's serious, Like where a person 0:11:19.360 --> 0:11:21.280 has that much conviction to know? 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:23.200 I just knew in my heart of heart. 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.200 I was like, I'm not the wh my hair girl, 0:11:26.240 --> 0:11:28.440 Like I am the whit my hair girl, but like 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:32.559 I'm not, though, and I was so deathly afraid, Like 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:34.240 in my heart of heart, I was terrified. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.520 First of all, what was the process of what look 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.240 as a person with his hair? 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:41.720 Like for me, that's like, no, I feel. 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:45.280 Like my superpower, but I often wonder like what would 0:11:45.280 --> 0:11:48.520 happened if ireword to like is that a new life 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:50.080 for me? Because you know Lenny kravit Is. 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:53.400 I mean, in the Rastafarian tradition, they say that like 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.760 your hair carries like so much energy. 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:56.600 It is your power. 0:11:57.240 --> 0:12:00.600 But I think that they say it's power so they 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:01.480 don't cut their hair off. 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:02.600 They're like, no, We're going to keep it. 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.720 But with your power comes so many years of like 0:12:06.960 --> 0:12:08.760 you have to work for that power, and that power 0:12:08.760 --> 0:12:11.520 comes with pain. That power comes with like a sense 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:15.040 of like whatever you had to go through to gain 0:12:15.160 --> 0:12:17.240 that power is in your hair. 0:12:18.040 --> 0:12:19.760 And so for me, I was like, I want to 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:21.880 shed this pain that I've experienced. 0:12:21.920 --> 0:12:25.400 I want to shed this and you know, in my weird, 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:27.000 like preteen mind, I'm like. 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:29.079 Also kind of want to piss my parents off a 0:12:29.120 --> 0:12:29.520 little bit. 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:32.000 Did you knew that at eleven? 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:35.040 I didn't know that at eleven. But my heart was 0:12:35.120 --> 0:12:38.320 like my heart knew that. My mind was like, oh, 0:12:38.400 --> 0:12:40.800 I feel uncomfortable and the only way that I can 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.400 express this uncomfortability is through doing this. But I look 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:47.520 back and I'm like, no, like I knew I was 0:12:47.559 --> 0:12:48.480 just I was terrified. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:48.720 I was. 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:51.240 I knew I was not this person. I knew I 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:52.000 was not this person. 0:12:52.400 --> 0:12:55.280 Amazing, So did you know that you were going to 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.319 wind up being this person? I didn't. 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:02.840 That's that's the part. That's that's the part that's really 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:03.400 funny to me. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.640 I really didn't. But I hoped and I prayed, and 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:06.480 I there. 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.760 I remember I might have been like might've been like 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:13.040 twelve or thirteen years old, and I remember just breaking 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.560 down into tears one day and being like, am I 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:19.920 ever gonna be a real musician? Like I know that, 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.040 like I sing songs and stuff, but like I don't 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.440 feel like a real musician, so that must mean that 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:29.000 I'm not. And I legitimately had a whole moment where 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.360 I was like, oh my gosh, like I don't want 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.480 to I don't want to be in this middle ground anymore. 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:35.360 Like I want to be I want to be a 0:13:35.400 --> 0:13:38.280 real musician and then I started playing the guitar at fourteen, 0:13:38.440 --> 0:13:42.080 which is late to me. That's late, and that was 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:44.440 me starting my journey of like, no, I'm not just 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.280 a singer a person who just like writes songs sometimes 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:49.360 like I want to create myself. 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:52.040 I want to create this journey of musicianship. 0:13:56.920 --> 0:14:00.400 So at fourteen, you had zero knowledge of how to 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:00.880 handle this. 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:04.120 If somebody played me on the piano like a major 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:06.400 third interval, I wouldn't be able to tell them that 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.640 it was a major third interval. So like in my mind, 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:11.839 I'm like, that's like okay, Like are you really a 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:14.240 musician or like you just like making songs? 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:17.440 So we will say that the pandemic started with like 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:25.320 March of twenty twenty. Let's go to like July twenty twenty. 0:14:25.600 --> 0:14:29.160 What's your morning routine? Like the world still stopped? I 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:32.040 assume that you. I mean, I know my world stopped. 0:14:32.680 --> 0:14:36.720 I assume that even yes, all yeah, world stop? Yes, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.400 So what's your morning routine? Because it wasn't until my 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:48.000 guitar player said, yo, man, you follow on a Instagram. 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:51.440 So your guitar player brought me to you. 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.640 Wow, the top musicians, that's amazing, the top musician. 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:59.400 He said, Yo, you follow I said, yeah, I think 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:04.960 I am. He's like dude like her advanced. 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:05.760 Wow. 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:08.840 Now here's the thing. There's a period between two thousand 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:13.560 and three and like twoy fifteen. 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:15.120 Yeah, I feel. 0:15:14.920 --> 0:15:20.040 That where I was I rolling every hit, Like there's 0:15:20.080 --> 0:15:23.720 a point where like, Okay, Andre's doing prototype on the 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.240 BT boards with the guitar, not knowing how to play 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:30.000 a guitar, but it looked cool. And then Wayne came 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.800 on stage and guitar, not guitar, but it looked cool. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.359 Even jay Z had a moment where he had the headline. 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.600 You know, he had the whole ordeal with Oasis about 0:15:39.640 --> 0:15:42.560 him headlining the thing, and he started his show doing 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:47.920 a wonderwall with the guitar in his hand, and so 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.840 suddenly I was just like, Okay, now we're just in 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:52.520 the age where a guitar is an accessory but people 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:53.320 don't know how to play it. 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:56.280 But let me tell you something, dope, just real quick 0:15:56.320 --> 0:15:57.280 before you continue. 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:01.680 The guitar is also a himb a lot of people. 0:16:01.840 --> 0:16:04.440 I feel like you're vibing with the aspect of like 0:16:04.480 --> 0:16:06.920 a lot of people use it performatively, not like, oh. 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:07.920 I can actually play this instrument. 0:16:07.960 --> 0:16:10.920 It's like, oh, like I'm I'm holding a guitar. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:11.480 That's cool. 0:16:12.000 --> 0:16:14.520 But I look at it in the sense of, like, 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:17.280 underneath all that, people know that the guitar has always 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:18.720 been a symbol of the culture. 0:16:19.600 --> 0:16:20.880 The guitar has always been. 0:16:20.800 --> 0:16:25.640 A symbol of like I am stepping out and speaking 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:29.440 on something of the culture, and the guitar has always 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:33.720 been a driving force of that, you know. And I personally, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.840 when I see things like that, I'm like, wow, they 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.320 are recognizing and they want to use the guitar as 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:43.400 a symbol, not necessarily as an instrument, which you know 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:43.960 what I'm saying. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:49.600 You know, it's like, you know, twenty twenty, I was 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:52.960 very dark, cynical. I feel that, and you know, I'm 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.240 changed now, but back then, so when he said that, 0:16:56.880 --> 0:17:00.480 instantly I was like, all right, well another guitar. Yeah, 0:17:00.560 --> 0:17:05.560 and he's like, no, dog, Like I'm serious, yeah, And I'm. 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.480 Like, well, the fact that it was your guitars. 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.480 Right, So that's the thing. And I was like, wait, 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:14.160 you see in her play. He's like, oh, she's kind 0:17:14.160 --> 0:17:18.119 of killing it. Wow, I said what. And you know, 0:17:18.200 --> 0:17:21.399 sometimes the algorithms might not have you see a person 0:17:22.640 --> 0:17:26.439 and I went there and I was just like, oh, snap, 0:17:28.400 --> 0:17:31.960 miss this? When did I miss this? And so how 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:33.560 did that process soup the nuts? Okay? 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:37.720 So I started playing the guitar at fourteen, and I 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:40.160 personally was like, oh my goodness. Like I had tried 0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:42.080 to play the piano before, like when I was younger, 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.000 I had tried other instruments and they never really stuck. 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.320 And I've kind of felt like man like, I kind 0:17:48.320 --> 0:17:50.239 of felt a little bit of failure energy, like I 0:17:50.280 --> 0:17:52.680 was like, damn, like I missed it. And so then yeah, 0:17:52.720 --> 0:17:53.960 I missed my office. And then I was like, you 0:17:53.960 --> 0:17:56.479 know what, Willow stop? Get out of that mindset, like 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.200 just just play every day? Just play every day. And 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:02.240 you know, I went through I had a moment where 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:05.199 I was doing like classical guitar nylon string like like 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.600 I had a moment where I was doing flamenco guitar. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:09.560 I went through a whole bunch of different phases that 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:11.600 nobody really saw because I was just trying to find it. 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:13.920 I was like, like, how do I want to play 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:14.200 the guitar? 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:17.400 What do I want to do? And you know, I 0:18:17.440 --> 0:18:18.879 feel like, well, let. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:22.679 Me ask you when you decided. Okay, this is going 0:18:22.720 --> 0:18:24.200 to be a part of my life, you know, because 0:18:24.200 --> 0:18:27.360 you also have to see something, visualize or whatever. Yeah, 0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:33.480 what were you visualizing in terms of like your mastery 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:33.840 of this thing? 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:38.360 Back before I ever was like obsessed with jazz or ever, 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:40.920 like really was like listening to stuff, I would do 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:43.440 an exercise before I ever had the guitar teacher whatever, 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.679 where I would try to sing. I would sing a 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:48.359 melody and I would try to play play that melody. Right, 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:50.720 So I would sing a melody and I would try 0:18:50.720 --> 0:18:52.520 to play it, or I would try to be like 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:55.440 I'm thinking of a note in my head and I'm 0:18:55.440 --> 0:18:59.560 singing it. Can I play the melody as I'm singing it? 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.160 Can I as I'm singing it? Which you know now 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:05.399 that I see like, I see a lot of beautiful 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:09.520 jazz musicians who do like fully improvised things where they're 0:19:09.600 --> 0:19:13.840 just like scatting, but they're following each line with their guitar. 0:19:14.560 --> 0:19:18.120 And even before any of this, that was my idea 0:19:18.320 --> 0:19:19.440 of mastery. 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:20.760 So I would I sat. 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:22.080 Down, I was like, huh, trying to sing these things, 0:19:22.080 --> 0:19:24.399 I'm trying to play it, and weirdly enough, it's like 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:28.119 from that seed, you know, it's you just pick it 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:28.800 up every day. 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:29.000 Bro. 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:30.160 I'm honestly like. 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:31.920 How many hours do they? 0:19:32.720 --> 0:19:37.200 So I want to say, like a year ago, I 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:40.480 started practicing the most I've ever practiced in my whole life. 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.080 So I would I would wake up in the morning, 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:44.080 I would do yoga, I would come back home, and 0:19:44.080 --> 0:19:47.080 I would practice for at least three hours, at least 0:19:47.119 --> 0:19:50.640 three hours at least okay, which you know to some 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:53.480 of my friends are like three hours, Like that's nothing 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.240 for me. I'm like, after the third hour, my mind, 0:19:56.880 --> 0:20:00.280 my mind starts to like I can't. People say, you know, 0:20:00.400 --> 0:20:03.919 you practice smart. Don't practice like you have to practice smart, 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:05.960 like not just sitting there doing scales. It's like, no, 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:08.160 let's practice for what we really want to be able 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:10.320 to do. We want to practice for the music we 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:12.600 want to be able to create, not just like oh, 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:13.119 people say I. 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:15.400 Should play scales, So let me play scales. 0:20:16.000 --> 0:20:17.920 Who do you like practicing too? 0:20:18.960 --> 0:20:21.560 So there's this app it's called I Reel Pro, and 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:23.640 it has a bunch of stuff from the real book. 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:27.360 It has like like random like midi recreations of things 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:29.320 in the real book, right, And so they give you 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:31.159 all the chords they give you the they give you 0:20:31.200 --> 0:20:33.399 the key or whatever, and I just play that and 0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:37.720 I'll just like play along to these like jazz standards. 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.720 Basically for our listeners out there, there are two kind 0:20:40.760 --> 0:20:43.200 of Bibles in the world of jazz. There's the real 0:20:43.240 --> 0:20:46.760 book and there's also the fake book. I'm part of 0:20:46.760 --> 0:20:49.760 the fake book generation. Yeah, so in general, if you 0:20:50.040 --> 0:20:54.919 are a supper club musician or just in general, you know, 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:56.920 it's almost like you have to know all the books 0:20:56.960 --> 0:21:00.080 of the Bible and all the verses. So if if 0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:02.920 you are a jazz musician, you have a real book 0:21:02.920 --> 0:21:05.680 on you and basically has all the standards from all 0:21:05.720 --> 0:21:10.159 of me to autumn Leaves to like basically, you know, 0:21:10.320 --> 0:21:12.600 I'm familiar with the piano version, which is basically just 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:13.080 chord gang. 0:21:13.240 --> 0:21:15.320 Yeah, yeah, totally, But there's a. 0:21:15.560 --> 0:21:17.639 Real or fake book for guitarist as well. 0:21:17.920 --> 0:21:20.640 No, no, no, no, I'm just going off of the real book, 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:23.040 like the keys and the different like chord changes, and 0:21:23.080 --> 0:21:25.800 I'm just improvising on the guitar through those changes. 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.160 So you even have to teach yourself how to read. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:31.320 So no, so the really cool thing about this app 0:21:31.400 --> 0:21:34.639 is that there's no actual notation. It'll just be like 0:21:34.920 --> 0:21:38.000 D sharp or like it'll give you like this, like 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:40.480 when it changes. Do you see what I'm saying, Like 0:21:40.520 --> 0:21:42.880 it will actually say like D sharp, like a flat 0:21:43.520 --> 0:21:46.840 all this stuff. And so I'm sitting there and I'm like, okay, 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:49.520 a flat. Let me find my let me find my shapes. 0:21:49.840 --> 0:21:52.080 They're playing the chord and you have to fill. 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.200 Yeah, I'm trying to find the lines through the changes, 0:21:57.080 --> 0:21:58.400 like if it's changing keys. 0:21:58.920 --> 0:21:59.639 You know what I'm saying. 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:02.320 I'm not asking you as an interviewer. I'm asking you 0:22:02.440 --> 0:22:05.320 almost for inspiration, like yeah, oh that's how I should do. 0:22:05.760 --> 0:22:09.040 No, totally totally, like just playing through the changes, and 0:22:09.200 --> 0:22:12.240 I'm not My mind doesn't work in the way of 0:22:12.359 --> 0:22:14.680 like oh like now I'm in this key. 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:16.720 Now I'm in this key, like i'm my ear. 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:20.080 I just go off of ear usually, but I've been 0:22:20.160 --> 0:22:22.920 trying to like get that strength of like no, no, no, no, 0:22:23.480 --> 0:22:25.320 I can I know what key this song isn't you 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:26.720 didn't even have to, you know what I'm saying, Like 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:28.840 I'm trying to get my ear right. I'm trying to 0:22:28.840 --> 0:22:31.879 get my improvisational skills right, like oh, let's say I 0:22:31.960 --> 0:22:34.399 go and play with questlove and his band one day, right, 0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:36.359 I don't want to be sitting there going, oh guys, 0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:37.160 what cure mean? 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:40.000 Do you see what I'm saying? I want to be it? 0:22:40.240 --> 0:22:42.160 Yes, I want to be able to be like ah okay, 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:45.000 I hear that rhythm. I know it's in seven. Ah okay, 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:46.760 I hear that chord progression, it's going to the five, 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:48.080 it's going to the four, it's going to the You 0:22:48.160 --> 0:22:51.399 see what I'm saying. So that's what I'm trying right now. 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:53.640 That's that's what I'm trying to learn how to do. 0:22:55.040 --> 0:22:56.360 I think you did it. 0:22:56.680 --> 0:23:02.120 So there's always you know, there's always more to learn. 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:05.280 Oh no, you're You're always learning, You're always expanding. What 0:23:05.440 --> 0:23:06.840 is your morning routine? 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.480 So my morning routine when I'm on my when you're. 0:23:10.359 --> 0:23:14.120 On your five version, give me yeah today, I got 0:23:14.119 --> 0:23:18.280 admit this week I've never since the pandemic, I've been 0:23:19.640 --> 0:23:24.080 like rigorous with you know, yeah, the affirmations, breathing. Yes, 0:23:25.200 --> 0:23:28.720 I've let three days go by and I everything cub 0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.359 right and then I'm already in my head like a man. 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.320 I didn't do my stretching on my breathing or my affirmations. 0:23:35.359 --> 0:23:38.199 But that's why I had that sciatica bro because I 0:23:38.280 --> 0:23:40.359 usually wake up every morning, I do yoga hot yoga 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:42.480 for an hour. Okay, so I do hot yoga for 0:23:42.520 --> 0:23:44.840 an hour, then I come back. Then I come back home, 0:23:45.160 --> 0:23:47.720 and if I'm working, I pretty much only get to 0:23:47.760 --> 0:23:50.120 practice like two hours, like if I have to work, 0:23:50.200 --> 0:23:52.040 like if I go to if I go to yoga, 0:23:52.080 --> 0:23:54.280 seven am, okay, get back you. 0:23:54.240 --> 0:23:56.800 Go somewhere to go to yes, yes, okay. 0:23:56.560 --> 0:23:59.040 So seven am, I do my hour, come back home 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:02.760 by nine, practicing by eleven. I'm like getting ready to 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:06.000 like leave the house. Okay, you see what I'm saying. 0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:07.560 And so then if I have my day, I did 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:10.840 dada da whatever. I have six animals, so I come 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.240 back home. I'm trying to make I know. I know, 0:24:14.359 --> 0:24:17.280 I have three dogs, three cats, and they like each other. 0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:21.639 They love each other. It's nuts. So I'll go do 0:24:21.720 --> 0:24:24.280 my day. I'll go to my day working and working whatever. 0:24:24.320 --> 0:24:26.040 I come home. Got to take care of the animals. 0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:29.119 It's a whole thing. You see what I'm saying. Hopefully 0:24:29.160 --> 0:24:30.439 I'll be able to get an hour of reading it 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:31.080 at some point. 0:24:31.200 --> 0:24:33.280 And you swear by this app that. 0:24:34.440 --> 0:24:36.480 I wouldn't say I swear by this app but I 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:40.920 would say that it helps to be like, oh, that's 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.040 what it sounds like when the one changes to the five. 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:47.159 That's what it sounds like when the like instead of 0:24:47.240 --> 0:24:49.720 just seeing it as like mathematics on a page or 0:24:49.760 --> 0:24:51.879 seeing it like a concept, it's like, oh wait, no, 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:53.320 that's what it sounds like. 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:54.720 You know what I'm saying. 0:24:54.880 --> 0:24:57.440 So do they guarantee that you will? 0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.240 They don't. I just use it as a I just 0:25:00.320 --> 0:25:01.600 use it as a specific tool. 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.040 I don't even think people actually, I think people just 0:25:04.160 --> 0:25:06.680 use it to like, oh, I'm gonna play this song 0:25:06.800 --> 0:25:09.119 at a jazz club later tonight, let me shed to 0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:09.760 it or something. 0:25:09.960 --> 0:25:14.240 I think people just use it like that, explain Okay. 0:25:14.880 --> 0:25:18.840 So I pretty much during Coping Mechanism, So that was 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:22.840 my last album, I made friends with a really amazing musician. 0:25:22.880 --> 0:25:23.840 His name is Chris Creotti. 0:25:24.280 --> 0:25:26.439 And the way that he was I've always been a 0:25:26.440 --> 0:25:30.000 harmony addict, so like, whenever I start a song, I'm like, oh, harmonies, 0:25:30.000 --> 0:25:30.639 and I just never end. 0:25:30.680 --> 0:25:31.960 I'm like, okay, I need to stop. 0:25:32.640 --> 0:25:35.159 So he had that same thing, but he while he 0:25:35.240 --> 0:25:37.119 was going through it, he was explaining to me, like 0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:40.480 these this this is like the layers of the harmonies. 0:25:40.520 --> 0:25:43.240 Like he was explaining to me music theory from a 0:25:43.280 --> 0:25:44.960 point of view that I had never heard it before. 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.879 Do you see what I'm saying. So from before I 0:25:47.880 --> 0:25:50.680 met him, I was like, Oh, this sounds good. I'm 0:25:50.720 --> 0:25:52.399 gonna layer this. This also sounds good. 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:54.439 A layer this, I'm not thinking like, oh that's the 0:25:54.480 --> 0:25:56.879 sharp four, that's the major third. 0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:59.920 And how are you? How are you meeting your community? 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:04.560 So I'm very very grateful, you know. I opened up 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:05.960 my heart and I was like, please God. I was 0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:10.080 like I had not lost some friendships, but had some 0:26:10.240 --> 0:26:13.440 rocky roads and you know, friends that I had had 0:26:13.480 --> 0:26:15.600 from a young age that I kind of felt like 0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:18.800 we're not really growing together, you know. 0:26:18.920 --> 0:26:21.399 So that was really painful for me. 0:26:21.440 --> 0:26:23.160 And I remember being like, oh, I'm opening my heart 0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:26.000 and I'm like, God, please allow people into my life 0:26:26.000 --> 0:26:29.040 that are going to inspire me and lead me towards 0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:30.919 the person that I actually want to be. So I 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:34.480 made I was like I'm being intentional with this, and 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:38.320 I legitimately feel like the universe was like you shed 0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:41.760 some leaves. Here are some people in your life to 0:26:41.880 --> 0:26:43.640 like uplift you a little bit. 0:26:44.040 --> 0:26:45.840 That's my biggest fear. 0:26:47.800 --> 0:26:50.400 Well, you know, why is that your biggest fear? 0:26:50.440 --> 0:26:50.520 What? 0:26:50.840 --> 0:26:53.399 See, it's weird to do this episode because usually the 0:26:53.560 --> 0:26:56.880 other four will chime in, and you know, I kind 0:26:56.880 --> 0:27:00.760 of whit me in this shape, but the way that 0:27:00.800 --> 0:27:04.160 I've structured. Okay, so this is what I realized. If 0:27:04.160 --> 0:27:07.639 you don't know much about me, you know, my main 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:13.000 addiction was working workaholic. And if a person is a workaholic, 0:27:13.200 --> 0:27:19.119 it prevents them from dealing with life or whatever it 0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:23.640 was in the room too busy, and thus, as a result, 0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:27.440 you know, relationships I have might fall apart after a 0:27:27.520 --> 0:27:29.919 year and a half. Are we having kids or not? 0:27:30.040 --> 0:27:33.560 Are we getting married? I gotta work on this project. 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:38.840 So thus, you know, one at one time during a session, 0:27:40.080 --> 0:27:44.240 I was told to, you know, like, well, name your friends. 0:27:45.119 --> 0:27:48.119 And I named them, and you know, my person was like, well, 0:27:48.760 --> 0:27:51.840 aren't they on your payroll? And I was like yeah, 0:27:51.880 --> 0:27:54.560 but you know, like they're my best friends and we 0:27:54.600 --> 0:27:57.760 go to basketball games together whatever. And so then when 0:27:57.800 --> 0:28:02.160 I had to list people who are not on payroll 0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:03.600 who are. 0:28:03.440 --> 0:28:05.600 My friends but you're working with you're with them all 0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:07.080 the time. Like I get that, I get it. 0:28:07.200 --> 0:28:09.840 I get that, Yeah, But then the the other side 0:28:09.880 --> 0:28:14.280 of that coin is that once they leave, Yeah, then 0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:16.800 I have zero contact with them. So so it is 0:28:16.840 --> 0:28:20.600 a professional relationship and you're paying for it. Yeah. So 0:28:21.680 --> 0:28:25.040 you know, I'll say that for the last two years, 0:28:26.000 --> 0:28:31.560 I've been struggling to find like friends whom I have 0:28:31.760 --> 0:28:32.800 no professional time. 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:37.320 That's the struggle of my life. That's the struggle of 0:28:37.359 --> 0:28:40.400 a lot of artists' lives that I remember. I used 0:28:40.440 --> 0:28:42.360 to go to my mom and I would cry, and 0:28:42.400 --> 0:28:44.960 I'd be like, am. 0:28:44.800 --> 0:28:45.760 I just too weird? 0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:46.160 Like? 0:28:46.400 --> 0:28:47.920 Am I like? What is like? 0:28:48.120 --> 0:28:51.440 I I've always been so driven, right, and I've always 0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:55.680 had such vision And you're saying like, oh, you're seeing 0:28:55.680 --> 0:28:57.720 it as like a workaholic thing, and it can definitely 0:28:57.720 --> 0:29:00.560 turn into that, and it does turn into that. But 0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:03.400 we're people who have a vision, and we're people who 0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:08.760 really maybe too much care about that vision and making 0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:11.320 it come to fruition, and even so much so that 0:29:11.360 --> 0:29:14.360 we might be like, h this stuff over here. No, no, no, no, 0:29:14.400 --> 0:29:17.840 I'm intoxicated by the vision. So I get that part 0:29:17.880 --> 0:29:19.080 of it. But I would go to my mom and 0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.320 be like and she would always tell me, You're gonna 0:29:21.320 --> 0:29:23.960 find your tribe. You're gonna find your tribe, how. 0:29:23.840 --> 0:29:29.960 Do you avoid the trappings of what people outside of 0:29:30.000 --> 0:29:34.960 your dome or your world would see as an easily 0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.560 Like you know, as far as what we know of 0:29:38.200 --> 0:29:41.720 anyone raised anywhere near Hollywood or that sort of thing, 0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.200 Like it's almost like a one way ticket to the 0:29:45.360 --> 0:29:47.240 same filtered path. 0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:49.160 To the same unhappiness and disillusion. 0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:53.560 Well, here's the thing, I don't want to be judgmental 0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:57.240 to say, like, well, obviously that person's unhappy whatever. It's 0:29:57.280 --> 0:29:59.280 like they they are what they are. But like you 0:29:59.280 --> 0:30:02.920 could easily just like okay, and who knows, you might 0:30:02.960 --> 0:30:05.080 come out with a sneaker line one day or whatever. 0:30:06.320 --> 0:30:09.120 I'm out with a sneaker line or go to rehab. 0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:11.080 Who knows the world's my oyster. 0:30:12.600 --> 0:30:15.800 But you know what I'm talking about, Like, for you 0:30:15.840 --> 0:30:19.520 to have not fallen down the same path that I've 0:30:19.560 --> 0:30:24.480 seen everyone your age go down, that's miracle enough. Yeah, 0:30:24.520 --> 0:30:30.120 so it's but it almost feels though you didn't necessarily 0:30:30.280 --> 0:30:34.200 had to hit a rock But based on your lyrics also, 0:30:34.400 --> 0:30:37.120 I'm like, okay, there might have been a rock bottom 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:38.400 point that we are not. 0:30:38.560 --> 0:30:41.840 Pop who have watched the Red Table talk no things 0:30:41.960 --> 0:30:45.160 right exactly. But but what I will say is we 0:30:45.200 --> 0:30:48.200 all experienced darkness. I've experienced crazy darkness in my life. 0:30:48.200 --> 0:30:54.960 But that darkness has informed, weirdly enough, informed and inspired. 0:30:55.160 --> 0:30:57.680 My like just just like my. 0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:03.320 Love for life in such a weird way, like when 0:31:03.400 --> 0:31:07.200 you really sit in that loneliness and you really sit 0:31:07.440 --> 0:31:11.960 in that like Pemacholdrin this, she's a Buddhist monk. She 0:31:12.080 --> 0:31:14.960 calls it being on the edge of a needle. Like 0:31:15.000 --> 0:31:16.960 you're a beetle on the on the edge of a 0:31:17.000 --> 0:31:19.080 needle and if you move, and you move, you're gonna 0:31:19.080 --> 0:31:21.320 impale yourself. See what I'm saying. You're like, oh my god, 0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.000 this this stings. I'm about to die. And then you're like, ah, 0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:27.200 you impel yourself. You know what I'm saying. But if 0:31:27.240 --> 0:31:31.360 you can just be still and that it's gonna it's painful. 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:32.680 You know, you're on the tip of a needle, But 0:31:32.720 --> 0:31:35.440 if you can be still, you won't impael yourself. 0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:36.640 You know what I'm saying. 0:31:37.160 --> 0:31:41.080 Okay, So what I've learned about feelings, coming back to 0:31:41.120 --> 0:31:45.360 feelings again is oftentimes when the dark feelings come through, 0:31:46.360 --> 0:31:48.840 what I've learned about emotions is I mean, some people 0:31:48.880 --> 0:31:51.080 say thirty seven emotions, some people say two hundred and 0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:52.000 eighty emotions. 0:31:52.040 --> 0:31:53.320 Totally when we. 0:31:53.240 --> 0:31:58.960 Get to those dark places, suddenly this is uncomfortable. What 0:31:59.120 --> 0:32:01.720 makes me happy? Yeah, and let me get to happy. 0:32:01.720 --> 0:32:06.080 Happy is the good feeling I remember happy, But I 0:32:06.160 --> 0:32:09.680 maybe learned two years ago that you even have to 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:15.720 let dark emotions process. Man, And how do you get 0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:21.280 to that place where you're comfortable? Like weirdly enough, I'm 0:32:21.320 --> 0:32:22.640 just I'm a year into this. 0:32:22.960 --> 0:32:28.280 Self soothing is actually a good thing. Self medicating. You 0:32:28.360 --> 0:32:33.120 see what I'm saying. Self soothing is actually what we're 0:32:33.120 --> 0:32:38.080 all trying to learn. Self soothing is, I personally believe 0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:43.920 one of the important hallmarks of adulthood because you know, 0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:46.320 when we're still and shit, I'm a fucking child, I'm 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.680 talking shit. But when we're still in that mindset of 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.640 like we're born and we need our parents, you see 0:32:52.640 --> 0:32:56.440 what I'm saying, And throughout our whole life, we're trying 0:32:56.480 --> 0:33:04.440 to gain our parents attention, their love, you know, because 0:33:04.600 --> 0:33:08.280 deep in our evolutionary biology, deep in our minds and 0:33:08.320 --> 0:33:11.720 our hearts, we are wired we see our parents and 0:33:11.720 --> 0:33:15.040 we go you give me life like you sustain me. Like, 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.360 not just with the laughs and the cuddles, but you 0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:20.760 feed me. Like if I'm not with you, I die, 0:33:20.960 --> 0:33:23.320 you see what I'm saying. And so as life goes on, 0:33:24.120 --> 0:33:26.200 you know, you have a boss, so you have your 0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:29.880 or you have your you know your partner, and you're like, well, 0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:31.040 how am I going to get love from them? 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:32.880 How am I going to get attention from them? You 0:33:32.920 --> 0:33:33.600 see what I'm saying. 0:33:34.120 --> 0:33:37.120 And I feel like very few humans ever get to 0:33:37.120 --> 0:33:41.200 the point to where we realize like, oh my goodness, 0:33:41.240 --> 0:33:44.440 like it's not about me trying to push myself in 0:33:44.480 --> 0:33:46.520 all these different shapes and to stretch myself into all 0:33:46.520 --> 0:33:49.560 these ways so that these people will love me or 0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:52.400 these people will validate me. 0:33:53.320 --> 0:33:56.880 It's about me really just loving them and loving myself. 0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:02.120 But getting to that place, I mean, no one gets 0:34:02.160 --> 0:34:03.560 to that place, you know what I'm saying. 0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:04.400 I'm not at that place. 0:34:04.520 --> 0:34:07.040 I'm talking from a position of reading a million fucking 0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.239 self help books and just wishing and hoping every single day, 0:34:10.320 --> 0:34:11.000 you know what I'm saying. 0:34:11.239 --> 0:34:12.920 So for you, it's a daily struggle to you. 0:34:13.080 --> 0:34:15.080 Oh my goodness, are you kidding me? 0:34:15.800 --> 0:34:17.000 I don't feel so alone now. 0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:17.760 Oh my gosh. 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:22.800 The darkness being choke hold bro, like it's crazy. 0:34:25.920 --> 0:34:29.240 I'm working on a project right now. I'm gonna tell 0:34:29.280 --> 0:34:34.600 the story of sly Stone. Here's the thing, though, sly 0:34:34.800 --> 0:34:41.600 Stone is, in my opinion, the first post civil rights figure, 0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:47.320 which basically means that his level of celebrity is slightly 0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:51.760 different than say, Ray Charles Totally, Chuck Berry or James Brown. 0:34:52.080 --> 0:34:55.760 Whereas like, Okay, you're famous in the fifties, Yeah, James 0:34:55.760 --> 0:34:58.839 Brown cannot eat in the same supper club that he 0:34:58.880 --> 0:35:03.120 can perform. You know, that's really yeah, And it's not like, Okay, 0:35:03.120 --> 0:35:05.080 in nineteen sixty eight everything was right with the world. 0:35:05.120 --> 0:35:08.040 We still definitely not every day. 0:35:08.719 --> 0:35:14.640 However, sly is the first Black celebrity of his caliber 0:35:15.480 --> 0:35:20.120 that kind of gets draped in a kind of zero fox. 0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:26.279 Given level of celebrity, basically gets what we think we want, 0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:28.719 you know, when we think of what a celebrity, what 0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:31.520 is being famous, what's being rich? What's being popular? Like, 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:37.319 he gets the dream and depending on who you ask, 0:35:37.560 --> 0:35:42.520 and it's almost like I'm wondering if I wound up 0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:46.600 doing this documentary for me instead of a sly depending 0:35:46.640 --> 0:35:50.920 on who you ask. When it comes to his fifth album, 0:35:51.719 --> 0:35:54.640 he'll release an album, there's a ride going on in 0:35:54.680 --> 0:35:58.120 which I'm still sticking no matter what he says or 0:35:58.160 --> 0:36:00.800 anyone is camp or any of the expert as I interviewed, 0:36:01.680 --> 0:36:04.160 I still feel as though there's a riote going on. 0:36:05.120 --> 0:36:07.920 Is one of the most painful forty one minutes to 0:36:08.040 --> 0:36:13.719 listen to you, because whereas you're very transparent in all 0:36:13.840 --> 0:36:17.640 your work and you're not just this album totally, but 0:36:17.760 --> 0:36:21.400 there's a level of pain and vulnerability there that I 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:26.120 think people are generally blinded by, simply because on the 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:30.359 other side of that coin, he's such a genius. Like 0:36:30.840 --> 0:36:34.439 essentially Riot, in my opinion, is his twenty seven club entry, 0:36:34.480 --> 0:36:35.000 even though. 0:36:34.840 --> 0:36:39.640 He's still okay, yeah, no, I feel you. 0:36:40.160 --> 0:36:45.080 It's someone falling on their sword and it's a self 0:36:45.080 --> 0:36:51.480 sabotagement totally. So essentially, I have a theory that black 0:36:52.520 --> 0:36:59.640 success is just as traumatic as failure, because there's often 0:36:59.719 --> 0:37:03.880 times and which when something really good happens to me, 0:37:05.719 --> 0:37:09.240 suddenly I feel guilty about it because I start thinking 0:37:09.280 --> 0:37:12.000 about all the other people who are going to alienate, 0:37:12.280 --> 0:37:14.440 who won't talk to you anymore because like, oh, you're 0:37:14.440 --> 0:37:19.000 too important to talk to me, or it's more isolated loneliness. 0:37:19.400 --> 0:37:22.719 Culturally speaking, you're you're always feeling like, WHOA am I 0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:25.640 doing too much? Am I selling out? Missing my connection 0:37:25.800 --> 0:37:31.279 with where I started? And what I started to notice was, 0:37:31.320 --> 0:37:33.520 you know, because people would often ask me about like 0:37:33.680 --> 0:37:37.000 my modern piers now totally, Why does blah blah blah 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:40.759 wait ten years between records? Why does da data I 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:42.880 always show up late? Why does da da I always 0:37:42.920 --> 0:37:46.080 get go to jail? Why is why is everyone dying 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:49.759 before sixty? Why? Like, why do we start addictions and 0:37:49.800 --> 0:37:54.800 all these things? How do you deal with especially now 0:37:55.680 --> 0:38:01.239 which I'm assuming that you've had an outpouring love out 0:38:01.239 --> 0:38:02.960 the Gate we didn't even talk about with my hair, 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:06.080 like the fact that out the Gate you got this love, 0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:09.160 But I almost feel like the love you're getting now 0:38:09.200 --> 0:38:12.720 for this record, which is why you know, I'm always 0:38:12.960 --> 0:38:15.960 telling you like, I'm so like, I'm only telling you 0:38:16.000 --> 0:38:18.480 like three percent of the excitement I feel about this 0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:21.840 record totally, because what I don't want to do is 0:38:22.040 --> 0:38:25.680 make it so overwhelming that now when you start to 0:38:26.080 --> 0:38:29.000 go to another direction during your head about well, damn, 0:38:29.040 --> 0:38:30.439 people really loved me when I. 0:38:30.400 --> 0:38:33.839 Was I had that experience with coping mechanism, like I 0:38:34.040 --> 0:38:36.600 felt the energy of like people being like, oh, well, 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:38.560 people love you doing rock music. 0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:40.480 People love you in this area. 0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.759 And I did have a moment where I was like, well, 0:38:43.760 --> 0:38:46.400 do I just make another rock album because it seems 0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:47.400 like people really like that. 0:38:48.160 --> 0:38:50.840 But in my heart of hearts, I don't know. I 0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:51.480 don't know. 0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:55.880 I'm just super connected with my gut feeling, and my 0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:58.920 gut feeling has led me through my entire life, and 0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.560 I hope that I can stay connected enough to it 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:04.040 for it to lead me till I'm no longer here. 0:39:05.920 --> 0:39:08.600 But my gut feeling was just like, you can't make 0:39:08.640 --> 0:39:11.480 another rock album, bro, Like you just can't do it. 0:39:11.400 --> 0:39:14.120 Like do you feel like you're speed dating to find 0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:18.480 like what's my fit? Or no, who knows what you'll feel. 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:23.120 I think that I have been experimenting with so many 0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:26.000 different kinds of music and gaining so many different tools. 0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:28.800 To continue to make so many different kinds of music 0:39:28.960 --> 0:39:31.719 and continue to gain so many different tools. I think 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:36.040 my favorite musicians are the ones who do whatever the 0:39:36.040 --> 0:39:39.920 fuck they want and who do it well, right with 0:39:40.040 --> 0:39:43.319 like a scalpel, Like, do whatever the fuck you want, 0:39:43.520 --> 0:39:48.000 but do it with like the most trained scalpel in 0:39:48.040 --> 0:39:50.919 the world, and that's what I'm going for. 0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:52.080 That's what I'm going for. 0:39:52.440 --> 0:39:58.560 Okay, I'm gonna try a new twist on an old question, please, Okay, 0:40:02.080 --> 0:40:04.840 House on Fire? Okay, all right, Well you live in 0:40:04.960 --> 0:40:05.759 LA anyway. 0:40:05.480 --> 0:40:08.280 So I know, so that's pretty uh think about that. 0:40:08.640 --> 0:40:13.120 Okay, So you've saved your menagerie. Yes, you can only 0:40:13.400 --> 0:40:17.720 save five records from your collection. I'm gonna ask twenty 0:40:17.719 --> 0:40:20.440 three you that question, and then i'm gonna ask thirteen 0:40:20.480 --> 0:40:24.279 year old you that question as well. So twenty three 0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:28.200 years old, which five albums are you saving from your 0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:29.520 record collection? Okay? 0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:33.560 Purple Rain that's gonna be that's gonna be. 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:36.160 That's Prince Record, that's gonna be number I'm sorry, that's 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:38.200 gonna be number one for me. Or Sign of the 0:40:38.280 --> 0:40:42.359 Times Okay, okay, no, no, okay, okay, I mean okay, 0:40:42.360 --> 0:40:44.480 I'm gonna I'm gonna put both of them in there. 0:40:44.520 --> 0:40:46.439 I'm gonna put Purple Rain and Sign of the Times 0:40:46.440 --> 0:40:49.120 in there, So that's there's two in there. Okay, I'm 0:40:49.120 --> 0:40:52.680 gonna put DiAngelo. I'm gonna put DiAngelo in there. I'm 0:40:52.680 --> 0:40:53.480 gonna put U. 0:40:53.800 --> 0:40:54.440 Which one in there? 0:40:54.480 --> 0:40:56.600 I'm gonna pu Voodoo in there. Okay, I'm gonna put 0:40:56.600 --> 0:40:57.560 DiAngelo Voodoo. 0:40:57.880 --> 0:41:03.680 I'm gonna put im gonna put Goldfrap Felt Mountain Word. 0:41:04.520 --> 0:41:05.879 Okay, how is that four? 0:41:05.920 --> 0:41:06.760 Already? 0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:07.279 Four? 0:41:07.520 --> 0:41:11.240 And then I'm gonna put that one high is Coyote album? 0:41:11.320 --> 0:41:14.040 Oh Mood Mood Valiant. 0:41:14.160 --> 0:41:17.160 Yes, that's the one. That's the one Mood Valiant. Okay, yeah, 0:41:17.200 --> 0:41:18.520 so that's my twenty three year. 0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:20.040 Old okay one? 0:41:20.719 --> 0:41:23.600 Oh man, thirteen, Well, I feel like you were even 0:41:23.680 --> 0:41:26.200 musically advanced at thirteen, so I might push this back 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:27.120 to like nine. 0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:29.759 Oh my gosh, nine come on. 0:41:29.719 --> 0:41:32.680 Man, we all have those records. 0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:38.680 I used to really love this artist named Lanka Lanka. 0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:40.799 She was really cool. She had she had a she 0:41:40.960 --> 0:41:43.920 had a song. Weirdly enough, I think the song was 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:48.920 called like a song. Ha weird, Yeah, Lanka Lanka. The 0:41:48.960 --> 0:41:52.759 song was literally called like a song, which is so weird. 0:41:53.200 --> 0:41:57.120 Uh so we have Lanka uh imagen. I mean. 0:41:57.560 --> 0:41:59.759 I actually didn't get into image heap until much later. 0:41:59.760 --> 0:42:03.640 Hold on nine nine, man, When I was nine, I 0:42:03.680 --> 0:42:04.840 was listening to some Lady Gaga. 0:42:04.880 --> 0:42:09.920 Bro, I can't even nine dude, Lady show. You know, 0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:16.440 you know, I was listening to some Lady Got nine Lanka. 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:21.880 At this time, I also was getting into a ballet, 0:42:22.360 --> 0:42:23.880 so I was like, I was listening to a lot 0:42:23.880 --> 0:42:27.239 of classical music during this time as well. So when 0:42:27.239 --> 0:42:29.759 you're when you're practicing ballet, that's all you listen to 0:42:29.880 --> 0:42:33.280 is classical music. Wow. 0:42:33.480 --> 0:42:35.239 Nine nine nine. I wish I could look at Can 0:42:35.239 --> 0:42:36.000 I look at my phone? 0:42:36.200 --> 0:42:36.439 Yes? 0:42:37.320 --> 0:42:39.760 Okay, because I'm like, I still have music. 0:42:39.600 --> 0:42:43.160 On my phone from when I was nine. 0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:44.720 You can't throw away your history. 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.160 Yeah, like music on my phone from when I was nine. 0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:50.680 That's nuts. Oh wait, my mom got me into the 0:42:50.680 --> 0:42:52.000 Cocktail Twins. 0:42:52.560 --> 0:42:52.840 Nice. 0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:55.319 Yeah, my mom got me into the cock Yes, I 0:42:55.360 --> 0:42:59.080 love that song. My mom got me into the Yes, 0:42:59.200 --> 0:43:01.040 my mom loves the Cocktail Twins. 0:43:01.800 --> 0:43:03.719 Yeah she got me. Yeah, she got me. 0:43:03.800 --> 0:43:07.920 My mom actually gave me, like my my musical taste 0:43:08.360 --> 0:43:15.280 from like nine to like fifteen's like all my mom, honestly, 0:43:15.920 --> 0:43:20.080 which's kind of insaying, you know what's weird? Right, And 0:43:20.120 --> 0:43:22.240 this is very controversial, but I'm going to say it anyway. 0:43:22.520 --> 0:43:22.839 Hit me. 0:43:23.360 --> 0:43:26.239 Eminem was like one of my favorite musicians when I 0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:26.839 was like nine. 0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:28.319 It's not controversial. 0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:32.160 Yeah, I loved like I literally had like my heart 0:43:32.360 --> 0:43:35.160 like I was like, she's special. 0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:37.680 Like nine years old. I'm like, this guy's special. I 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:38.759 don't know how many that was. 0:43:39.480 --> 0:43:40.319 He kind of went over it. 0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:41.040 Yeah, I went over it. 0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:45.000 I'm sorry, all right, So I see. Wait, I never 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:47.600 told you how I wound up discovering you by accident. 0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:48.520 I don't think so. 0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:49.120 Yeah. 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.920 You know I work at thirty Rocks. Now I've been 0:43:51.920 --> 0:43:52.880 there for sixteen years. 0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:54.960 Wow, So that's amazing. 0:43:55.719 --> 0:43:58.960 Back in two thousand and nine, I still felt like 0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.200 I was a part of the fabric of the world, 0:44:02.440 --> 0:44:05.680 not like whatever I'm supposed to be now, like the 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:09.919 getting stages of the Sage Elder, like I don't want 0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:11.080 to be that guy, but. 0:44:15.200 --> 0:44:15.560 You are. 0:44:15.960 --> 0:44:20.439 Thank you. But you know, there was a time period 0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:25.160 where I started getting fatigue, and I have two occupations 0:44:25.160 --> 0:44:28.560 that don't allow that. Being at the Tonight Show, I'm 0:44:28.600 --> 0:44:31.640 always asked, hey, maybe what do you think about what 0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:33.520 do you think about dirty projectors? Hey what do you 0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:39.080 think about? Right? And so it keeps you sharp. And 0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:43.319 then as a DJ, now, yes, there's sometimes where I 0:44:43.360 --> 0:44:47.479 put myself in positions of which I'm allowed to play 0:44:47.520 --> 0:44:50.640 what I feel. But then there's the ones in the 0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:53.680 blue moon time where I actually have to like catch 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:57.440 up to society. I got to play the role. And 0:44:57.760 --> 0:45:03.480 the thing is is that oftentimes my interns and even now, 0:45:03.520 --> 0:45:07.600 like my people that work with me, now you know, 0:45:07.800 --> 0:45:09.840 they're in their twenties their thirties, so they keep me 0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:13.360 sharp as into who's who and what's what. And so 0:45:14.760 --> 0:45:19.480 I think this is right When Olivia Rodrigo was starting 0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:25.279 to pop and I heard one song and my old 0:45:25.800 --> 0:45:33.200 guy grumpy cynical stance wasn't there. Yeah, And I was like, oh, 0:45:33.280 --> 0:45:36.640 that song's not bad totally. And then one of the 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:39.200 interns is like, well, yeah, because the producer she works 0:45:39.239 --> 0:45:42.279 with is like kind of your age. Like, I heard 0:45:42.320 --> 0:45:43.520 a lot of reference. 0:45:43.200 --> 0:45:48.719 Like references, and I was like, oh, okay, so that's 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:53.279 why her music sounds like it sounded wise in I 0:45:53.320 --> 0:45:55.200 was like, there's no way that someone in her. 0:45:55.080 --> 0:46:00.600 Age knows references totally. So I get home and I 0:46:00.640 --> 0:46:03.480 put my speaker on. I was like, all right, let 0:46:03.520 --> 0:46:06.200 me see what else she has in her catalog that 0:46:06.320 --> 0:46:10.520 I might gravitate towards. So I was listening, listening, listening, listening, 0:46:10.600 --> 0:46:12.360 and I'm the kind of person that when I'm still 0:46:13.280 --> 0:46:18.440 no matter what, Yeah, really instantly asleep. The thing is 0:46:18.480 --> 0:46:19.560 the music's blasting. 0:46:19.719 --> 0:46:21.040 Yeah. 0:46:21.080 --> 0:46:25.520 And so I was sitting there on my and at 0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:29.600 five o nine a m. I heard something. 0:46:29.840 --> 0:46:34.960 Yeah, I said, damn, Olive is kind of incredible. 0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:41.720 Yeah, it's amazing. And but the thing was, I was such, 0:46:41.920 --> 0:46:46.080 I mean, this is beyond the alpha and the beta 0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:49.440 state of sleep, Like sometimes I actually have the ability 0:46:49.480 --> 0:46:52.359 to sleep and over my eyes will still be asleep total, 0:46:52.520 --> 0:46:56.759 like occasionally, like my eyes will open but I can't move. 0:46:57.360 --> 0:46:59.280 I don't know how to describe it, like I'm still asleep, 0:46:59.360 --> 0:47:03.120 but somehow my eyes are are active totally. And I 0:47:03.239 --> 0:47:06.879 realized that I was sleeping on top of my iPhone. Yeah, 0:47:06.920 --> 0:47:08.440 and I felt the heat thing in the back, but 0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:10.839 it was such a deep sleep that I couldn't move 0:47:10.880 --> 0:47:14.799 it totally. So I fell asleep again. And then at 0:47:15.000 --> 0:47:21.319 around like maybe six thirty seven am, another song came on. 0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:25.160 I was like, yo, And this time I got up. 0:47:25.960 --> 0:47:32.759 I looked that Willow Smith. Yeah, wait a minute. I 0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:36.560 got up at maybe the eight in the morning, totally 0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:40.080 entirely in the gym. I went through your whole catalog, 0:47:40.239 --> 0:47:43.000 like yo. And this leads back to the whole friend thing. 0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:44.480 I was like, Yo, how come no one put me 0:47:44.520 --> 0:47:44.960 onto this? 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:46.680 Totally like what the fuck? 0:47:46.840 --> 0:47:49.560 And then I called Kirk. I said, dude, you remember 0:47:49.560 --> 0:47:49.879 what you. 0:47:49.800 --> 0:47:51.800 Told me about Willow? Yeah? 0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:55.080 I said she was alwayshidding like this and girl was like, yo, 0:47:55.480 --> 0:47:56.560 I was trying to tell you. 0:47:56.600 --> 0:47:57.200 Wow. 0:47:57.440 --> 0:47:59.520 I was like, dude, how came you? I said, wait, Kurt, 0:47:59.600 --> 0:48:01.640 how you know about this? And curts like a mirror. 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:04.040 I got kids, My kids put me on the I 0:48:04.080 --> 0:48:07.480 felt like, you know, I get mad when something's so 0:48:07.680 --> 0:48:09.879 dope and no one puts me onto it. 0:48:10.960 --> 0:48:12.880 I feel you, I feel you. You're like, where have 0:48:12.960 --> 0:48:13.279 I been? 0:48:13.680 --> 0:48:13.879 Right? 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:18.840 And literally it's like I was aware, but I never 0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.680 but not really, I've never deep that. Like, to me, 0:48:22.719 --> 0:48:25.840 a mark of a true artist is when they're filler total, 0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.360 not the songs. You know, this is beyond, this is 0:48:28.400 --> 0:48:31.960 not Wait a minute. Came on Olivia Radio like they 0:48:32.280 --> 0:48:34.680 I know you say your anti technology. So when you're 0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:38.320 on when you're on Spotify, when an album is done, 0:48:38.600 --> 0:48:42.520 then they'll automatically put you on whatever artists you chose 0:48:42.640 --> 0:48:46.360 their radio stage, of which then they'll start playing their music, 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:48.840 maybe two of their songs. Yeah, someone that's adjacent to 0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:52.600 but then they run out of that and whoever the 0:48:52.600 --> 0:48:57.160 next artist is under her total. So then apparently in 0:48:57.200 --> 0:49:00.000 my sleep, I just heard two hours of your music. 0:49:01.000 --> 0:49:04.480 Totally sorry, Olivia, Look, I thought you had those amazing 0:49:04.520 --> 0:49:06.040 coret changes, but it wasn't. 0:49:06.920 --> 0:49:11.760 So we love everyone right, right, And so I've spent 0:49:11.880 --> 0:49:17.239 like maybe four days just like asking people, like I. 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:19.719 Went to our bookers totally how come this is not 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:24.000 on the show? Literally, I just went on a mission 0:49:24.760 --> 0:49:27.640 and that's how I was able to discovery. 0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:30.400 I love that, like, I love that so much. 0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:34.040 So for you, what is because I know that this 0:49:34.120 --> 0:49:36.399 level of magic that's happening for you right now, it's new, 0:49:37.560 --> 0:49:40.200 but I feel like there's a result of a manifestation. 0:49:40.400 --> 0:49:41.200 Ask for something. 0:49:41.239 --> 0:49:43.879 Oh no, it is. It's a result of manifestation. And 0:49:43.960 --> 0:49:46.319 just just not me, just no giving up, dude. 0:49:46.560 --> 0:49:50.279 Just like I put out albums and you know, my 0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:52.840 second album it was like orchestral. 0:49:52.920 --> 0:49:55.240 There were a lot of like like cellos and stuff. 0:49:55.360 --> 0:49:58.440 Yeah, and that was the first album that I actually 0:49:58.480 --> 0:49:59.680 played guitar on. 0:50:02.080 --> 0:50:02.760 This is the first. 0:50:03.280 --> 0:50:04.239 Yeah, the. 0:50:06.040 --> 0:50:10.200 Titles, Yeah, I know I wanted it. I want I'm 0:50:10.200 --> 0:50:11.799 not even to go into that. I'm just I'm just 0:50:11.800 --> 0:50:15.359 a fucking weirdo. But so that was the first album 0:50:15.400 --> 0:50:19.600 I actually played guitar on, and yeah, I don't know, 0:50:19.760 --> 0:50:24.680 Like I just feel like every time I've been challenging myself, 0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:28.080 challenging myself, challenging myself, and I make it a point 0:50:28.160 --> 0:50:29.719 like every album, I want to be able to do 0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:31.360 something I never was able to do before. 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:34.719 And so I feel like, you know, my sixth. 0:50:34.440 --> 0:50:37.920 Album, I'm like, I just grew up a little bit, Like, 0:50:38.280 --> 0:50:42.480 you know, my tools have kind of I know where 0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:44.880 they are. I know I have a little bit of 0:50:44.880 --> 0:50:48.440 a more of a mind to know how to use them. 0:50:48.640 --> 0:50:51.600 You know what I'm saying, Just getting acquainted with the 0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.080 tools that I've been that I've been just trying to gather. 0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:54.959 You know what I'm saying. 0:50:55.400 --> 0:50:59.279 All your collaborators from from dev to Tyler to on, 0:51:00.160 --> 0:51:03.280 how do you choose them? And like, what's the process 0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:06.760 at the top of a project when you're creating this stuff. 0:51:07.640 --> 0:51:09.719 I never go before I make an album like, oh 0:51:09.760 --> 0:51:12.400 I want these people on it. I always have to 0:51:12.600 --> 0:51:17.200 make Jack Antonov said something really really insightful. He said, 0:51:17.400 --> 0:51:19.879 whenever you're making an album, there's always that song that's 0:51:19.920 --> 0:51:23.000 the door into your album. It's like, think of your 0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:26.400 album as a house and you want to bring people inside. 0:51:26.440 --> 0:51:30.640 Like what song is that open door bringing people inside 0:51:30.640 --> 0:51:33.680 of this house that is your album? And I never 0:51:33.800 --> 0:51:37.240 like to think about features until I have that song 0:51:38.080 --> 0:51:42.080 that is like, this is the entryway into Empathogen, This 0:51:42.160 --> 0:51:45.560 is the entryway into coping mechanism. And once I have 0:51:45.640 --> 0:51:50.800 that song, then I'm like who embodies? Like who embodies 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:53.640 the feeling at this entrance? Okay, you know what I'm saying, 0:51:54.120 --> 0:51:57.520 Like who embodies? That's why having Jon Baptiste on the 0:51:57.520 --> 0:51:59.759 first song of Empathogen, He's like. 0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:03.440 Ah, I love everything, and the first voice on the 0:52:03.440 --> 0:52:05.400 record literally of everything. 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:08.680 I was like, dude, do you know how amazing an 0:52:08.719 --> 0:52:12.040 honor it is for you to be the first voice 0:52:12.080 --> 0:52:15.760 of what I feel is her arrival to the life place, 0:52:16.760 --> 0:52:19.000 Like of all the honor that he's gotten in the 0:52:19.120 --> 0:52:22.320 last I know, like, forget his oscars, forget all that, 0:52:23.440 --> 0:52:27.920 the fact that he gets to red carpet and be 0:52:28.000 --> 0:52:31.160 the first voice of your new. 0:52:31.640 --> 0:52:36.560 Arrival and that's him being himself, like him, I love everything, 0:52:36.640 --> 0:52:39.920 Like that's so him, Yes, And I felt like, oh 0:52:39.960 --> 0:52:43.920 my goodness, Like what a perfect entry way into this 0:52:44.040 --> 0:52:46.040 house that I have created. 0:52:46.960 --> 0:52:50.800 How do you decide, because even with your album titles, 0:52:52.120 --> 0:52:54.360 does it come first or does it come last? Because 0:52:54.800 --> 0:53:00.319 like I decide what the overall theme is. As far 0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:01.200 as your album. 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:03.520 Titles, there's usually a theme. 0:53:03.920 --> 0:53:08.520 Like for my first album, Artipithecius, that's the scientific artist, 0:53:08.600 --> 0:53:12.200 Like Artipithecus ramatist is like the scientific word for the 0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:16.280 first hominid bones that scientists found that were standing upright. 0:53:16.880 --> 0:53:17.759 And so for me. 0:53:18.600 --> 0:53:22.320 Nerds, I know that's what it's screams. 0:53:22.320 --> 0:53:24.279 It just screams a nerd because I am a nerd. 0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:27.000 But in my head, I was like, the title always 0:53:27.040 --> 0:53:29.440 comes first, And in my head, I was like, this 0:53:29.600 --> 0:53:31.480 is my first album, It's going to be a part 0:53:31.560 --> 0:53:33.680 of an evolution. 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:33.759 Like I saw. 0:53:33.800 --> 0:53:35.239 I was like, this is the first step on my 0:53:35.600 --> 0:53:40.799 evolution as a musician. And Artipithecus Ramitist being like, it's 0:53:40.800 --> 0:53:43.440 not quite human yet, you know what I'm saying, But 0:53:43.480 --> 0:53:45.600 we're we're what we're almost you know what I'm saying. 0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:47.960 We're almost We're katting there, you know what I'm saying. 0:53:48.440 --> 0:53:53.400 And so each album I am like, Okay, I know 0:53:53.520 --> 0:53:55.400 the feeling in my heart that I want this to 0:53:55.480 --> 0:53:58.680 express and what this means to me, like coping mechanism. 0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:02.600 I was so pressed through the entire recording of that album. 0:54:02.960 --> 0:54:06.560 I would like all the escapisms I was trying to escape, 0:54:06.680 --> 0:54:07.480 you know what I'm saying. 0:54:07.719 --> 0:54:12.480 But yet you let us in when you're that vulnerable. 0:54:12.640 --> 0:54:17.080 How hard is that? Because a lot of the artists 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:19.879 I know hide and plain sight totally the first time 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:23.000 I ever heard of this term. Bary Gordy was the 0:54:23.040 --> 0:54:28.319 only one not impressed with Marvin Gaye's mastery of multiple tracking. Yeah, 0:54:28.520 --> 0:54:30.040 and I don't know if you know the story of 0:54:30.080 --> 0:54:32.680 Got to Give It Up, but he actually made a 0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:36.520 bet with Marvin Gaye. He says, look, I'll give you 0:54:36.840 --> 0:54:40.560 a one hundred thousand dollars check if you can give 0:54:40.600 --> 0:54:44.480 me one song when you're not trying to hide behind 0:54:44.600 --> 0:54:48.600 all your background vocals and you just sing one lead 0:54:49.000 --> 0:54:51.520 and has to be clear or is that we know? 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:52.279 Totally? 0:54:52.560 --> 0:54:54.400 He said, if you could do that for five minutes 0:54:54.440 --> 0:54:56.920 and that song goes to number one, I'll give you 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:59.600 this hundred thousand dollars check. So Marvin Gaye did Got 0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:01.920 to Give It Up? Wow, And sure enough, like right 0:55:01.960 --> 0:55:03.640 after the five minute mark, suddenly all. 0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:05.680 The yeah, exactly exactly. 0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:10.640 But when I went back to listen, I was like, oh, okay, 0:55:11.719 --> 0:55:14.880 Marvin Gay hides and plain sight where he's hide and 0:55:14.920 --> 0:55:17.799 behind all of his background vocals and totally you can't 0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:19.960 make it out and what's he's saying and all that stuff, 0:55:20.480 --> 0:55:25.680 because you're very clear on your intentions and on sharing 0:55:26.680 --> 0:55:30.239 what you go through. Like, what was the decision to 0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:32.160 be that honest? 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:35.280 I never really thought there was any other way. 0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:38.040 I feel like being a kid and being like, ugh, 0:55:38.760 --> 0:55:40.319 like I don't want to be the kind of like 0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:42.120 I don't want to be a pop star. I don't 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:44.319 want to I don't want to have people pitching me 0:55:44.440 --> 0:55:46.880 songs and writing me songs and have other people producing 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:48.640 them and then I just show up and da like 0:55:48.680 --> 0:55:52.080 I don't want to do that. That whole realization was 0:55:52.120 --> 0:55:56.399 a part of me being like this is not this 0:55:56.480 --> 0:55:59.280 is not vulnerable. I'm trying to get to the most 0:55:59.320 --> 0:56:01.480 I'm trying to get to the top of that vulnerability hill, 0:56:02.000 --> 0:56:05.640 you see what I'm saying. So that whole thing for me, 0:56:05.640 --> 0:56:09.080 me going away from that way of doing things was 0:56:09.239 --> 0:56:14.640 also me searching for a way to be more vulnerable, 0:56:15.040 --> 0:56:18.200 and I've never really gotten off that path. I just 0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:21.560 knew that the artists that I love, the artists that 0:56:21.640 --> 0:56:24.959 make me feel like life is worth living, they don't 0:56:24.960 --> 0:56:27.440 hold anything back and they really tell you how it is. 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:29.920 And I've always wanted to be one of those artists. 0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:33.120 I never that was never an option in my mind 0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:35.360 to like play it safe. 0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:37.839 Did you fear that we wouldn't receive it? 0:56:37.920 --> 0:56:40.800 Because it has not been received? Many times it hasn't 0:56:40.800 --> 0:56:42.360 been received. Well, you know what I'm saying. 0:56:42.640 --> 0:56:45.880 You wait time out, you read your press or you 0:56:45.920 --> 0:56:47.360 read your whatever reviews. 0:56:47.640 --> 0:56:48.120 I don't. 0:56:48.480 --> 0:56:51.839 But when you're on social media and you just put 0:56:51.840 --> 0:56:54.839 out an album or people are talking or whatever, and 0:56:54.880 --> 0:56:56.759 you just get a vibe from your peers, you get 0:56:56.760 --> 0:56:58.839 a vibe from you know what I'm saying. And there 0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:01.080 have been many times where IM like a that just 0:57:01.120 --> 0:57:03.720 didn't hit, Like that's okay, you know what I'm saying, 0:57:04.120 --> 0:57:09.800 Like that one didn't quite land, you know, and that's okay. 0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.080 What is your biggest fear in life? 0:57:15.680 --> 0:57:16.800 Not reaching my potential? 0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:19.320 Do you visualize what your potential is? 0:57:19.880 --> 0:57:20.320 I do? 0:57:20.880 --> 0:57:21.680 What is your dream? 0:57:21.720 --> 0:57:24.560 Then that's a big right. 0:57:24.600 --> 0:57:27.640 Now you can share it. Nothing's too silly, Nothing silly? 0:57:28.760 --> 0:57:36.400 What is my dream. I want to be like a shaman. 0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:41.760 Who brings people closer to themselves, but I want to 0:57:41.760 --> 0:57:47.720 be a shaman through music. Yes, you see what I'm saying, 0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:52.440 like the interconnectedness, like the science and also the spiritual 0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:55.840 aspect of it, and have it integrate completely. 0:57:57.040 --> 0:57:58.720 I thought you were gonna give me the nerd alert 0:57:58.720 --> 0:58:01.520 nerd alert, but it's true because I am a nerd. 0:58:01.520 --> 0:58:05.240 But I also yeah, like since and I've talked about 0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:08.160 this on the show, like yeah, but before twenty twenty, 0:58:08.200 --> 0:58:11.720 I was hide and play sight, running from my shadow, 0:58:12.360 --> 0:58:18.240 raised in a very strict religious like anything outside of 0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:21.720 like my next project, I can't announce it yet, but 0:58:22.520 --> 0:58:27.600 we started. My next project is going to deal a 0:58:27.680 --> 0:58:32.840 lot with metaphysical living yea. And my goal is, if 0:58:32.880 --> 0:58:35.720 I have a dream, my dream is to pry people 0:58:36.800 --> 0:58:42.080 away from what they've been taught totally in terms of 0:58:42.200 --> 0:58:48.160 spirituality the R word, yeah, and letting go of the 0:58:48.360 --> 0:58:51.720 R word and letting more metaphysical spirituality. 0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:53.640 And that is so beautiful, which. 0:58:54.840 --> 0:58:57.520 I mean, it's a lofty goal, but it's it's going 0:58:57.600 --> 0:59:01.280 to be hard because if you know us, you know 0:59:01.360 --> 0:59:05.920 that safety, safety is our homeboy, and rather like you 0:59:05.960 --> 0:59:08.520 know that idea of what we related, you know, raised 0:59:08.560 --> 0:59:11.959 it as far as religion is concerned. Is that so? Yeah? 0:59:12.040 --> 0:59:15.920 No, no, No, expanding the scope of what it means 0:59:16.120 --> 0:59:19.680 to be a black person, like you know, what it 0:59:19.760 --> 0:59:23.680 means to be a black person connected to God? You 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:26.880 know what I'm saying, That whole aspect is like, there's 0:59:27.080 --> 0:59:28.560 so much room. 0:59:28.360 --> 0:59:33.280 To expand that. Yes, there's so much room to expand that. 0:59:33.880 --> 0:59:34.000 Now. 0:59:34.280 --> 0:59:39.120 I did my first journey, like I mean twenty seventeen. Wow, 0:59:39.200 --> 0:59:41.360 So I was like, yeah, I want to be a 0:59:41.360 --> 0:59:45.840 shaman totally. But it's also like, well, I gotta be 0:59:46.280 --> 0:59:48.960 this guy too, So how do I work my way 0:59:48.960 --> 0:59:51.280 into that? So I'm glad you said that. I'm at 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:53.800 least with you. I'm like, okay, I'm not crazy. No, 0:59:53.920 --> 0:59:54.880 being a shaman. 0:59:55.120 --> 0:59:57.520 No, being a shaman is like being a monk or 0:59:57.520 --> 0:59:59.840 a shaman. That's what I always say, being a shaman. 1:00:00.040 --> 1:00:05.080 Yes, that's okay. You say you were anti technology. 1:00:04.560 --> 1:00:06.880 But I wouldn't say anti technology. 1:00:06.920 --> 1:00:09.920 I would say television, I do what do you binge? 1:00:10.600 --> 1:00:13.520 What do I binge? I really love that one show 1:00:13.560 --> 1:00:14.960 Blown Away where they blow glass. 1:00:16.280 --> 1:00:17.560 That's all they do, that's all they do. 1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:20.919 They blow glass and they like make these insane glass sculptures. 1:00:21.720 --> 1:00:23.320 Okay, where where do I find. 1:00:23.080 --> 1:00:24.520 This in Netflix? 1:00:25.080 --> 1:00:26.360 Okay? Blown away? 1:00:26.520 --> 1:00:27.000 Blown away? 1:00:27.760 --> 1:00:29.560 Say like the guy a channel or something like that. 1:00:29.680 --> 1:00:32.240 No, it's like it's super artistic. But I wouldn't say. 1:00:32.280 --> 1:00:35.800 I wouldn't say I mean blowing or is it? No? 1:00:35.920 --> 1:00:38.200 People just go in their artists and they blow glass 1:00:38.200 --> 1:00:39.720 and they and they compete. 1:00:40.520 --> 1:00:42.960 Wow, Like what's yeah, it's called blown away? 1:00:43.440 --> 1:00:46.200 See the business guy means also like trying to figure 1:00:46.200 --> 1:00:49.160 out what that pitch meaning was, like literally like okay, 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:52.520 here's the deal. It's beautiful, you're going to do glass 1:00:52.160 --> 1:00:55.040 towards all right? Blow away? 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:56.000 No, it's flying? 1:00:56.080 --> 1:00:56.280 Yeah? 1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:57.080 Uh? 1:00:57.600 --> 1:01:04.000 What is your all time favorite cereal? Question? Really? 1:01:04.600 --> 1:01:08.400 I me and my brothers would down some cinnamon toast 1:01:08.440 --> 1:01:09.480 crunch back in the day. 1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:11.480 I love Yeah. 1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:15.120 Okay. Well, as a person that's always displayed her talents 1:01:15.160 --> 1:01:18.360 on our social media, I think there's anything left. What 1:01:18.520 --> 1:01:20.680 secret talent do you have that we don't know about? 1:01:21.920 --> 1:01:22.360 Listening? 1:01:23.440 --> 1:01:24.120 That's a talent. 1:01:24.400 --> 1:01:28.479 Yeah, some people don't do it well. 1:01:28.520 --> 1:01:29.600 Most people don't do it well. 1:01:30.720 --> 1:01:36.640 Facts. Okay, what is your go to order at Starbucks? 1:01:36.760 --> 1:01:45.840 Oh? Yeah, hibiscus the ice hibiscus something tea, Yes, yeah, 1:01:45.960 --> 1:01:46.440 I love it. 1:01:47.320 --> 1:01:51.000 I'm new to I'm new to Starbucks World. I've avoided 1:01:51.040 --> 1:01:52.520 tea and coffee for the longest point. 1:01:52.680 --> 1:01:54.760 I feel you as of lately I've been it's just 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:55.400 so sugary. 1:01:56.280 --> 1:02:01.600 Yes, exactly, what is the one conception of you that 1:02:01.760 --> 1:02:05.560 most of us get wrong that you would like to correct. 1:02:06.320 --> 1:02:14.840 That I am somehow exempt from feeling deeply because I 1:02:14.880 --> 1:02:16.400 have privilege. 1:02:16.600 --> 1:02:21.440 That's real, that's real. That's another part of this sli thing, 1:02:21.520 --> 1:02:24.240 like we often think that once you get to safety, 1:02:24.520 --> 1:02:27.680 oh there's money, that's actually. 1:02:27.480 --> 1:02:29.880 When the problems start totally. 1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:32.360 That's when again I don't know what the one to 1:02:32.400 --> 1:02:36.400 ten level of what your reaction was to the pandemic. 1:02:37.760 --> 1:02:39.600 You know, I went through like maybe three weeks of 1:02:39.640 --> 1:02:43.840 like balled up in the corner fetal positions level panic 1:02:44.720 --> 1:02:48.760 and then you know, that's when suddenly I get you know, 1:02:48.920 --> 1:02:50.640 a mere you need to learn what meditation is and 1:02:50.680 --> 1:02:54.919 all that stuff. So there was a period even though, yes, 1:02:55.040 --> 1:03:00.240 twenty twenty was somewhat of a horrible year because also 1:03:00.360 --> 1:03:02.240 on my side of the fence, like the amount of 1:03:02.240 --> 1:03:04.880 people all lost, Yeah, a lot of a mount of 1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:07.160 people in the hospital, like you know, I mean, can 1:03:07.240 --> 1:03:08.840 you help us out with dada da? So, like just 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:11.080 the weight of my world. 1:03:10.960 --> 1:03:13.160 A community trying to try. 1:03:13.040 --> 1:03:16.000 To it was hard. But I think for the first 1:03:16.000 --> 1:03:19.000 time of this year, I started like looking at twenty 1:03:19.040 --> 1:03:24.920 twenty like the good old days, which I don't. 1:03:24.640 --> 1:03:26.720 Know, like how is that happening? 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:31.280 So like now that we're in twenty twenty four, like 1:03:31.440 --> 1:03:36.480 how do you look at twenty twenty, Like was it 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:38.280 the good old days? Or was it like. 1:03:40.080 --> 1:03:40.640 Never again? 1:03:41.160 --> 1:03:45.640 Twenty twenty was dark, okay, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one, 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:46.520 twenty twenty. 1:03:46.280 --> 1:03:47.800 Two, it was dark, okay. 1:03:47.880 --> 1:03:54.000 But I will say the thing that really kept me present. 1:03:54.920 --> 1:03:56.960 This is gonna sound weird, but if I didn't have 1:03:57.000 --> 1:03:59.720 so many animals, I probably would have been way more 1:03:59.720 --> 1:04:04.240 dis associated and not grounded in reality because you got 1:04:04.320 --> 1:04:07.000 six animals looking at you like I need this, I 1:04:07.040 --> 1:04:07.840 need this, I need. 1:04:07.720 --> 1:04:08.520 This all the time. 1:04:08.640 --> 1:04:13.520 Yeah, And so that kept me always so in the 1:04:13.560 --> 1:04:14.200 present moment. 1:04:14.360 --> 1:04:15.840 Are the dogs the same breed at least? 1:04:16.000 --> 1:04:20.400 No, they're all different. One's one's this big, one's like 1:04:21.280 --> 1:04:21.840 it's a lot. 1:04:23.360 --> 1:04:27.360 Jackie Barland, Tito, Michael Randy and. 1:04:27.800 --> 1:04:32.520 Were putting them to work. So the cats are Lola, Tubs. 1:04:32.240 --> 1:04:33.360 And Aria okay. 1:04:33.800 --> 1:04:37.680 And the dogs are Abby, Corn and Rocky. And Rocky's 1:04:37.680 --> 1:04:39.640 the big one, the big german shepherd. Abby and Corn 1:04:39.640 --> 1:04:41.440 are Tainy okay. 1:04:41.880 --> 1:04:44.640 Last three questions, When is the last time you cried? 1:04:44.880 --> 1:04:46.440 Huh A little bit this morning? 1:04:47.600 --> 1:04:48.560 Okay? Yeah? 1:04:48.640 --> 1:04:50.000 I cry every day. 1:04:50.200 --> 1:04:50.880 That's amazing. 1:04:50.960 --> 1:04:53.120 Yeah, I cry every day, damn. 1:04:53.440 --> 1:04:56.080 One of my biggest shames was like, doing one therapy session, 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:58.960 they asked like, when's the last time you cried? I 1:04:59.000 --> 1:04:59.800 was like this decade? 1:05:00.240 --> 1:05:00.880 Ah? 1:05:00.920 --> 1:05:01.160 Wow? 1:05:01.320 --> 1:05:04.160 Really and they were like whoa. 1:05:04.200 --> 1:05:07.000 They were like, you basically said that you haven't taken 1:05:07.040 --> 1:05:09.120 a piss in a decade. Is that what you're saying? 1:05:09.240 --> 1:05:12.400 And I was like, well, you know, maybe five years 1:05:12.400 --> 1:05:14.439 ago in my boy's funeral, I think I cried. 1:05:14.440 --> 1:05:15.840 It's so good for. 1:05:15.800 --> 1:05:19.400 Three twenty three, twenty twenty. Wow, that's amazing. I mean, 1:05:19.480 --> 1:05:22.080 I wish I had that. 1:05:21.080 --> 1:05:23.960 That hyper emotion emotion out sometimes. 1:05:24.040 --> 1:05:26.560 I see, no, I gotta get to your life. I 1:05:26.600 --> 1:05:29.880 gotta I gotta do that. At least your emotions are moving. 1:05:29.920 --> 1:05:30.240 We got it. 1:05:30.320 --> 1:05:32.360 Yeah, all right, what's your favorite word? 1:05:32.800 --> 1:05:34.640 Recently? I've been saying voracious a. 1:05:34.600 --> 1:05:37.560 Lot okay for future scrabble game. 1:05:37.600 --> 1:05:40.880 Gracious, No, Like, I just love like like I'm a 1:05:40.960 --> 1:05:44.080 voracious reader, like I love like. It's like you're so 1:05:44.280 --> 1:05:47.760 in like you're so into it, you're so like consumed 1:05:47.800 --> 1:05:48.200 by it. 1:05:49.040 --> 1:05:53.480 Last question, you're in your seventies, you have the luxury 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:56.120 to retire, and let's just say the earth is still here. 1:05:56.200 --> 1:05:59.360 Oh man, I hope so yeah. Flip a coin. 1:05:59.480 --> 1:06:01.240 Yeah, where are. 1:06:01.120 --> 1:06:03.640 The three cities that if you did not have to 1:06:03.680 --> 1:06:06.400 work a day in your life ever again, would you 1:06:06.480 --> 1:06:09.880 just want to be in exist with three cities? 1:06:11.080 --> 1:06:14.360 I feel like I'd be down to pass away, live 1:06:14.520 --> 1:06:18.360 the rest of my days in like Oregon or Portland. 1:06:18.480 --> 1:06:20.320 Yeah, I don't know about Portland. 1:06:20.440 --> 1:06:24.560 I love Portland like I love Oregon, Like I literally 1:06:24.640 --> 1:06:26.720 road trip down there all the time, just just like 1:06:26.800 --> 1:06:28.280 for nothing or India. 1:06:29.160 --> 1:06:35.200 Talk Portland. Until the kind of fuckery of twenty twenty 1:06:35.360 --> 1:06:39.120 that happened, Portland was my number one city ever more 1:06:39.320 --> 1:06:43.040 use record Store totally. The Food Truck game was good, 1:06:43.120 --> 1:06:45.080 bro wow. I thought it was the only one that 1:06:45.200 --> 1:06:47.919 rode like. Portland and Austin were always like my team. 1:06:48.600 --> 1:06:52.200 The vibe is just so there, Like I don't know, look. 1:06:52.000 --> 1:06:56.560 I cannot say this enough. I've been as a guy 1:06:56.640 --> 1:07:04.400 who's been constantly grumpy of like just dealing with well, no, 1:07:04.600 --> 1:07:06.440 not dealing with life, as this is a person who's 1:07:06.600 --> 1:07:11.160 married to music, like I've been in show business like 1:07:11.480 --> 1:07:15.400 since the age of five. Yeah, and you know, there's 1:07:15.440 --> 1:07:20.320 a point where suddenly I didn't like music anymore, and 1:07:20.360 --> 1:07:23.400 then I became indifferent, and then I just had no 1:07:23.560 --> 1:07:29.080 hope for the future whatsoever. I want to thank you 1:07:30.280 --> 1:07:38.720 for just allowing yourself the space to be this artist 1:07:38.800 --> 1:07:41.600 like I needed to see it, you know, because sometimes 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:46.360 we often feel like we're a loaned and I was 1:07:46.400 --> 1:07:52.600 looking ahead for a leader, and you know, maybe I 1:07:52.640 --> 1:07:55.360 had to realize that. Well, you ever think that one 1:07:55.440 --> 1:08:01.960 day that a black woman three decades your your your junior, 1:08:02.280 --> 1:08:05.880 might be the leader that you're looking for. And I'm 1:08:05.920 --> 1:08:09.560 just and I don't think it's by accident of discovering 1:08:09.560 --> 1:08:12.680 your music and all those things. Like, I want to 1:08:12.720 --> 1:08:20.599 thank you for allowing yourself the space to grow. And 1:08:20.680 --> 1:08:24.400 I know that if other people see it, it makes 1:08:24.439 --> 1:08:27.920 them feel that they can do it too. Yes, and 1:08:28.240 --> 1:08:31.880 maybe this is the paradigm shift I've been hoping for. 1:08:32.680 --> 1:08:37.280 So you're gonna make cry yes. 1:08:38.680 --> 1:08:44.559 On, behalf on, behalf of my q ols fam. Shout 1:08:44.560 --> 1:08:49.720 out to Chick, Stephen and Bill and and Uhlayah, Fontigelow, 1:08:50.560 --> 1:08:53.560 Jake and Fritt. Thank you very much, Willis Smith. This 1:08:54.040 --> 1:08:59.160 was an overdue conversation. Oh come on now, tell me 1:08:59.200 --> 1:09:02.200 a joke. All right, end on this, tell me a joke. 1:09:02.720 --> 1:09:06.599 I can't. I'm just a thank you so much for this. 1:09:06.840 --> 1:09:09.120 Oh my goodness, you're welcome. 1:09:09.160 --> 1:09:12.479 Thank you so much. All right, goodbye people. Wow, that 1:09:12.600 --> 1:09:13.080 was awesome. 1:09:13.160 --> 1:09:14.120 That was amazing. 1:09:15.800 --> 1:09:18.160 Thank you for listening to Quest Love Supreme. 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