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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. Okay, this

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Speaker 1: me let our listeners know. This is one of those

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Speaker 1: rarety one on one sessions. Actually, often in the group

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Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, this is quest Love Supreme. I'm your

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Speaker 1: host quest Love Shout out to the fam Sugar, Steve

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Speaker 1: f On, Tigelo on paid Bill Laya. When people often say,

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't have any regrets in life, no

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Speaker 1: regrets whatsoever, I might have a slight regret, Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: I would say my slight regret is that it took

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Speaker 1: me five decades to reach a point of and I'll

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Speaker 1: say this with air quotes enlightenment and even that's questionable

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Speaker 1: or it's still same musical enlightenment, no life enlightenment.

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Speaker 1: And often dream and fantasize, like what my life would

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Speaker 1: have been had the mind state I've reached now in

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Speaker 1: my fifth decade of life, Like what would have happened

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Speaker 1: to me if I had this power. Well, I've always

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Speaker 1: had the power, but I just never turned the light

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Speaker 1: on if I had this at say in my early

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Speaker 1: thirties or even my early forties. And you know, I

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Speaker 1: dream about like how magical my life could have been

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Speaker 1: if my self confidence, or my creative process, or my

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Speaker 1: spiritual grounding all those things were just the overall philosophy

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Speaker 2: That we deal with every day.

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Speaker 1: People pleasing and all those things. Yes, And that's just

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Speaker 1: me wondering about, like if I were in my thirties forties,

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Speaker 1: and you know, I'm giving me honor of talking to

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Speaker 1: a human secretly in my mind, I say, Pleadian.

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Speaker 2: I love that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, But you know you're of the age I was

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Speaker 1: when I first gotten this industry. Like when my first

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Speaker 1: it took me three decades to finally get grounded. Like

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Speaker 1: my life is just starting now in my early fifties,

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Speaker 1: and so you know, I'm only wondering, like, what will

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Speaker 1: your life be like in twenty fifty four when you

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Speaker 2: Whatay fifty four doesn't even sound real? That sounds like.

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Speaker 1: A I'm gonna tell you something. So when I started

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Speaker 1: in ninety two, and maybe because you know, when you're

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Speaker 1: when you're a twelve year old and Prince releases his

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Speaker 1: fifth album nineteen ninety nine, and you're twelve, just even

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Speaker 1: looking at the album covered, nineteen ninety nine seemed like

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Speaker 1: the future, like it seemed like, you know whatever, I

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Speaker 1: I just think of like the matching denim that Justin

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Speaker 1: now twenty fifty four is you know, that's when you'll

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Speaker 1: that's going to be like. I'm absolutely gobsmacked at our

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Speaker 1: guest's rapid growth in songwriting and her singing, her song arrangements,

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Speaker 1: her musicianship, her abilities to pick the right collaborators, and

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Speaker 1: most importantly, her willingness to be vulnerable kind of and

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Speaker 1: on a public stage, which is really, really truly hard.

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Speaker 1: I think or black people often don't allow emotions or

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Speaker 1: So whenever I see someone even remotely going there to

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Speaker 1: I really applaud that. So our guest today is giving

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Speaker 1: the release of her excellent new album and Pathogen, not

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Speaker 1: to mention your new novel, Black Shield Maiden. What can

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Speaker 1: I say? I'm talking to Willi Smith Willo, professionally known

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Speaker 1: So, for me, album releases are like given birth. Yes,

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Speaker 3: And so those two sides are kind of warring with

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna explain to you how I let your

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Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I've always been aware that you existed. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm a guy that takes in everything. But I think

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Speaker 1: and so it takes a lot for me to sit

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Speaker 1: with it past the purchase ate. Yeah, like I'll listen

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Speaker 1: to each record and not the obligatory like okay, I'll

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Speaker 1: like I'll sit with an album or so. And there's

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Speaker 1: I said, you know, I love Kendrick's work, but I

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Speaker 1: see kendricks works so almost so overwhelming that I take

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Speaker 1: it in like a movie, like I love Raging Bull

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Speaker 2: Know, yeah, no, you gotta listen.

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Speaker 1: You gotta look and stare at the speaker. Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: That's the one thing I love about old school rap.

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Speaker 2: You can hear what they're saying.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I feel the same way.

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Speaker 1: No, but I feel like your generation is way more

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Speaker 3: I'm tempted to be like advancing, like what ways, because

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Speaker 3: oh no, we're just getting so fast, fast fast that

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Speaker 3: the idea like our minds or like chipmunks, you know

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Speaker 1: I was really shocked at how blatant and direct you

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Speaker 1: Like the second you said the word feelings, I stopped

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Speaker 1: and I was like, wait, black people never talk about feelings. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And then when you went to the bridge about I

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Speaker 2: Like, way, I have problems too, Yes.

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Speaker 1: Wait is she singing about me?

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Speaker 2: Like literally big feelings?

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Speaker 3: Is? I used to call it an anti pop song,

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Speaker 2: Like it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: So George Clinton once explained the magic of Funkadelic songs

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Speaker 1: and which there's about maybe seventeen micro courses totally all courses,

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Speaker 2: I wasn't even a teenager yet.

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Speaker 1: First of all, what was the process of what look

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Speaker 2: Like for me, that's like, no, I feel.

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Speaker 1: Like my superpower, but I often wonder like what would

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Speaker 3: I mean, in the Rastafarian tradition, they say that like

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Speaker 2: It is your power.

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Speaker 3: But I think that they say it's power so they

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Speaker 2: They're like, no, We're going to keep it.

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Speaker 3: But with your power comes so many years of like

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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 2: I'm honestly like.

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Speaker 3: So there's this app it's called I Reel Pro, and

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Speaker 3: So no, so the really cool thing about this app

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Speaker 1: They're playing the chord and you have to fill.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to find the lines through the changes,

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Speaker 1: I'm not asking you as an interviewer. I'm asking you

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Speaker 3: No, totally totally, like just playing through the changes, and

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Speaker 2: Now I'm in this key, like i'm my ear.

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Speaker 3: I'm trying to get my ear right. I'm trying to

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Speaker 3: I don't want to be sitting there going, oh guys,

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Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm saying? I want to be it?

439
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 3: Yes, I want to be able to be like ah okay,

440
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,000
Speaker 3: I hear that rhythm. I know it's in seven. Ah okay,

441
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:46,760
Speaker 3: I hear that chord progression, it's going to the five,

442
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:48,080
Speaker 3: it's going to the four, it's going to the You

443
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:51,399
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying. So that's what I'm trying right now.

444
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,640
Speaker 3: That's that's what I'm trying to learn how to do.

445
00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 1: I think you did it.

446
00:22:56,680 --> 00:23:02,120
Speaker 3: So there's always you know, there's always more to learn.

447
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, you're You're always learning, You're always expanding. What

448
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: is your morning routine?

449
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,480
Speaker 2: So my morning routine when I'm on my when you're.

450
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 1: On your five version, give me yeah today, I got

451
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 1: admit this week I've never since the pandemic, I've been

452
00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: like rigorous with you know, yeah, the affirmations, breathing. Yes,

453
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: I've let three days go by and I everything cub

454
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,359
Speaker 1: right and then I'm already in my head like a man.

455
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 1: I didn't do my stretching on my breathing or my affirmations.

456
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:38,199
Speaker 3: But that's why I had that sciatica bro because I

457
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,359
Speaker 3: usually wake up every morning, I do yoga hot yoga

458
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 3: for an hour. Okay, so I do hot yoga for

459
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:44,840
Speaker 3: an hour, then I come back. Then I come back home,

460
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:47,720
Speaker 3: and if I'm working, I pretty much only get to

461
00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 3: practice like two hours, like if I have to work,

462
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,040
Speaker 3: like if I go to if I go to yoga,

463
00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 3: seven am, okay, get back you.

464
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,800
Speaker 1: Go somewhere to go to yes, yes, okay.

465
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 3: So seven am, I do my hour, come back home

466
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:02,760
Speaker 3: by nine, practicing by eleven. I'm like getting ready to

467
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:06,000
Speaker 3: like leave the house. Okay, you see what I'm saying.

468
00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 3: And so then if I have my day, I did

469
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 3: dada da whatever. I have six animals, so I come

470
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 3: back home. I'm trying to make I know. I know,

471
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 3: I have three dogs, three cats, and they like each other.

472
00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 3: They love each other. It's nuts. So I'll go do

473
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,280
Speaker 3: my day. I'll go to my day working and working whatever.

474
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 2: I come home. Got to take care of the animals.

475
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 2: It's a whole thing. You see what I'm saying. Hopefully

476
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:30,439
Speaker 2: I'll be able to get an hour of reading it

477
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 2: at some point.

478
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 1: And you swear by this app that.

479
00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I swear by this app but I

480
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:40,920
Speaker 3: would say that it helps to be like, oh, that's

481
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: what it sounds like when the one changes to the five.

482
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,159
Speaker 3: That's what it sounds like when the like instead of

483
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 3: just seeing it as like mathematics on a page or

484
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 3: seeing it like a concept, it's like, oh wait, no,

485
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 3: that's what it sounds like.

486
00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

487
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 1: So do they guarantee that you will?

488
00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 2: They don't. I just use it as a I just

489
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 2: use it as a specific tool.

490
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,040
Speaker 3: I don't even think people actually, I think people just

491
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 3: use it to like, oh, I'm gonna play this song

492
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 3: at a jazz club later tonight, let me shed to

493
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: it or something.

494
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 2: I think people just use it like that, explain Okay.

495
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:18,840
Speaker 3: So I pretty much during Coping Mechanism, So that was

496
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 3: my last album, I made friends with a really amazing musician.

497
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:23,840
Speaker 2: His name is Chris Creotti.

498
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,439
Speaker 3: And the way that he was I've always been a

499
00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 3: harmony addict, so like, whenever I start a song, I'm like, oh, harmonies,

500
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 3: and I just never end.

501
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, I need to stop.

502
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,159
Speaker 3: So he had that same thing, but he while he

503
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,119
Speaker 3: was going through it, he was explaining to me, like

504
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 3: these this this is like the layers of the harmonies.

505
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 3: Like he was explaining to me music theory from a

506
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 3: point of view that I had never heard it before.

507
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,879
Speaker 2: Do you see what I'm saying. So from before I

508
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 2: met him, I was like, Oh, this sounds good. I'm

509
00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:52,399
Speaker 2: gonna layer this. This also sounds good.

510
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,439
Speaker 3: A layer this, I'm not thinking like, oh that's the

511
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 3: sharp four, that's the major third.

512
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,920
Speaker 1: And how are you? How are you meeting your community?

513
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,560
Speaker 3: So I'm very very grateful, you know. I opened up

514
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,960
Speaker 3: my heart and I was like, please God. I was

515
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: like I had not lost some friendships, but had some

516
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: rocky roads and you know, friends that I had had

517
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 3: from a young age that I kind of felt like

518
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 3: we're not really growing together, you know.

519
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 2: So that was really painful for me.

520
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 3: And I remember being like, oh, I'm opening my heart

521
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 3: and I'm like, God, please allow people into my life

522
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,040
Speaker 3: that are going to inspire me and lead me towards

523
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 3: the person that I actually want to be. So I

524
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 3: made I was like I'm being intentional with this, and

525
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: I legitimately feel like the universe was like you shed

526
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,760
Speaker 3: some leaves. Here are some people in your life to

527
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 3: like uplift you a little bit.

528
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: That's my biggest fear.

529
00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,400
Speaker 2: Well, you know, why is that your biggest fear?

530
00:26:50,440 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: What?

531
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Speaker 1: See, it's weird to do this episode because usually the

532
00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 1: other four will chime in, and you know, I kind

533
00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 1: of whit me in this shape, but the way that

534
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: I've structured. Okay, so this is what I realized. If

535
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: you don't know much about me, you know, my main

536
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: addiction was working workaholic. And if a person is a workaholic,

537
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 1: it prevents them from dealing with life or whatever it

538
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,640
Speaker 1: was in the room too busy, and thus, as a result,

539
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 1: you know, relationships I have might fall apart after a

540
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,919
Speaker 1: year and a half. Are we having kids or not?

541
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 1: Are we getting married? I gotta work on this project.

542
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: So thus, you know, one at one time during a session,

543
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: I was told to, you know, like, well, name your friends.

544
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: And I named them, and you know, my person was like, well,

545
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: aren't they on your payroll? And I was like yeah,

546
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 1: but you know, like they're my best friends and we

547
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: go to basketball games together whatever. And so then when

548
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 1: I had to list people who are not on payroll

549
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 1: who are.

550
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 2: My friends but you're working with you're with them all

551
00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:07,080
Speaker 2: the time. Like I get that, I get it.

552
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: I get that, Yeah, But then the the other side

553
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: of that coin is that once they leave, Yeah, then

554
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 1: I have zero contact with them. So so it is

555
00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: a professional relationship and you're paying for it. Yeah. So

556
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'll say that for the last two years,

557
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 1: I've been struggling to find like friends whom I have

558
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: no professional time.

559
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 3: That's the struggle of my life. That's the struggle of

560
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 3: a lot of artists' lives that I remember. I used

561
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,360
Speaker 3: to go to my mom and I would cry, and

562
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: I'd be like, am.

563
00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 2: I just too weird?

564
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 3: Like?

565
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 2: Am I like? What is like?

566
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 3: I I've always been so driven, right, and I've always

567
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: had such vision And you're saying like, oh, you're seeing

568
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 3: it as like a workaholic thing, and it can definitely

569
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: turn into that, and it does turn into that. But

570
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: we're people who have a vision, and we're people who

571
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 3: really maybe too much care about that vision and making

572
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 3: it come to fruition, and even so much so that

573
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 3: we might be like, h this stuff over here. No, no, no, no,

574
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: I'm intoxicated by the vision. So I get that part

575
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: of it. But I would go to my mom and

576
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: be like and she would always tell me, You're gonna

577
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 3: find your tribe. You're gonna find your tribe, how.

578
00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:29,960
Speaker 1: Do you avoid the trappings of what people outside of

579
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: your dome or your world would see as an easily

580
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 1: Like you know, as far as what we know of

581
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,720
Speaker 1: anyone raised anywhere near Hollywood or that sort of thing,

582
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: Like it's almost like a one way ticket to the

583
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: same filtered path.

584
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: To the same unhappiness and disillusion.

585
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:53,560
Speaker 1: Well, here's the thing, I don't want to be judgmental

586
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: to say, like, well, obviously that person's unhappy whatever. It's

587
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: like they they are what they are. But like you

588
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: could easily just like okay, and who knows, you might

589
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 1: come out with a sneaker line one day or whatever.

590
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 3: I'm out with a sneaker line or go to rehab.

591
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: Who knows the world's my oyster.

592
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm talking about, Like, for you

593
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: to have not fallen down the same path that I've

594
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: seen everyone your age go down, that's miracle enough. Yeah,

595
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: so it's but it almost feels though you didn't necessarily

596
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:34,200
Speaker 1: had to hit a rock But based on your lyrics also,

597
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, there might have been a rock bottom

598
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 1: point that we are not.

599
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 3: Pop who have watched the Red Table talk no things

600
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 3: right exactly. But but what I will say is we

601
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 3: all experienced darkness. I've experienced crazy darkness in my life.

602
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: But that darkness has informed, weirdly enough, informed and inspired.

603
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,680
Speaker 2: My like just just like my.

604
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 3: Love for life in such a weird way, like when

605
00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 3: you really sit in that loneliness and you really sit

606
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 3: in that like Pemacholdrin this, she's a Buddhist monk. She

607
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 3: calls it being on the edge of a needle. Like

608
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: you're a beetle on the on the edge of a

609
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: needle and if you move, and you move, you're gonna

610
00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 3: impale yourself. See what I'm saying. You're like, oh my god,

611
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 3: this this stings. I'm about to die. And then you're like, ah,

612
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 3: you impel yourself. You know what I'm saying. But if

613
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 3: you can just be still and that it's gonna it's painful.

614
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 3: You know, you're on the tip of a needle, But

615
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 3: if you can be still, you won't impael yourself.

616
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

617
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: Okay, So what I've learned about feelings, coming back to

618
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: feelings again is oftentimes when the dark feelings come through,

619
00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: what I've learned about emotions is I mean, some people

620
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: say thirty seven emotions, some people say two hundred and

621
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: eighty emotions.

622
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 2: Totally when we.

623
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: Get to those dark places, suddenly this is uncomfortable. What

624
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 1: makes me happy? Yeah, and let me get to happy.

625
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: Happy is the good feeling I remember happy, But I

626
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,680
Speaker 1: maybe learned two years ago that you even have to

627
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 1: let dark emotions process. Man, And how do you get

628
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:21,280
Speaker 1: to that place where you're comfortable? Like weirdly enough, I'm

629
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: just I'm a year into this.

630
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: Self soothing is actually a good thing. Self medicating. You

631
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,120
Speaker 3: see what I'm saying. Self soothing is actually what we're

632
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: all trying to learn. Self soothing is, I personally believe

633
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 3: one of the important hallmarks of adulthood because you know,

634
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 3: when we're still and shit, I'm a fucking child, I'm

635
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 3: talking shit. But when we're still in that mindset of

636
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 3: like we're born and we need our parents, you see

637
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, And throughout our whole life, we're trying

638
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: to gain our parents attention, their love, you know, because

639
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 3: deep in our evolutionary biology, deep in our minds and

640
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 3: our hearts, we are wired we see our parents and

641
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 3: we go you give me life like you sustain me. Like,

642
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 3: not just with the laughs and the cuddles, but you

643
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 3: feed me. Like if I'm not with you, I die,

644
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: you see what I'm saying. And so as life goes on,

645
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: you know, you have a boss, so you have your

646
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: or you have your you know your partner, and you're like, well,

647
00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 3: how am I going to get love from them?

648
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: How am I going to get attention from them? You

649
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 2: see what I'm saying.

650
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 3: And I feel like very few humans ever get to

651
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 3: the point to where we realize like, oh my goodness,

652
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: like it's not about me trying to push myself in

653
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 3: all these different shapes and to stretch myself into all

654
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: these ways so that these people will love me or

655
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 3: these people will validate me.

656
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 2: It's about me really just loving them and loving myself.

657
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: But getting to that place, I mean, no one gets

658
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,560
Speaker 3: to that place, you know what I'm saying.

659
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: I'm not at that place.

660
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: I'm talking from a position of reading a million fucking

661
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 3: self help books and just wishing and hoping every single day,

662
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:11,000
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

663
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: So for you, it's a daily struggle to you.

664
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, are you kidding me?

665
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: I don't feel so alone now.

666
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

667
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:22,800
Speaker 3: The darkness being choke hold bro, like it's crazy.

668
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,240
Speaker 1: I'm working on a project right now. I'm gonna tell

669
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 1: the story of sly Stone. Here's the thing, though, sly

670
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Stone is, in my opinion, the first post civil rights figure,

671
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:47,320
Speaker 1: which basically means that his level of celebrity is slightly

672
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 1: different than say, Ray Charles Totally, Chuck Berry or James Brown.

673
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: Whereas like, Okay, you're famous in the fifties, Yeah, James

674
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: Brown cannot eat in the same supper club that he

675
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: can perform. You know, that's really yeah, And it's not like, Okay,

676
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: in nineteen sixty eight everything was right with the world.

677
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 2: We still definitely not every day.

678
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 1: However, sly is the first Black celebrity of his caliber

679
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: that kind of gets draped in a kind of zero fox.

680
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: Given level of celebrity, basically gets what we think we want,

681
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, when we think of what a celebrity, what

682
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: is being famous, what's being rich? What's being popular? Like,

683
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: he gets the dream and depending on who you ask,

684
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,520
Speaker 1: and it's almost like I'm wondering if I wound up

685
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: doing this documentary for me instead of a sly depending

686
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: on who you ask. When it comes to his fifth album,

687
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: he'll release an album, there's a ride going on in

688
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 1: which I'm still sticking no matter what he says or

689
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: anyone is camp or any of the expert as I interviewed,

690
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: I still feel as though there's a riote going on.

691
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: Is one of the most painful forty one minutes to

692
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 1: listen to you, because whereas you're very transparent in all

693
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: your work and you're not just this album totally, but

694
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,400
Speaker 1: there's a level of pain and vulnerability there that I

695
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: think people are generally blinded by, simply because on the

696
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: other side of that coin, he's such a genius. Like

697
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 1: essentially Riot, in my opinion, is his twenty seven club entry,

698
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: even though.

699
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: He's still okay, yeah, no, I feel you.

700
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: It's someone falling on their sword and it's a self

701
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: sabotagement totally. So essentially, I have a theory that black

702
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: success is just as traumatic as failure, because there's often

703
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: times and which when something really good happens to me,

704
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,240
Speaker 1: suddenly I feel guilty about it because I start thinking

705
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: about all the other people who are going to alienate,

706
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: who won't talk to you anymore because like, oh, you're

707
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: too important to talk to me, or it's more isolated loneliness.

708
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: Culturally speaking, you're you're always feeling like, WHOA am I

709
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: doing too much? Am I selling out? Missing my connection

710
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: with where I started? And what I started to notice was,

711
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: you know, because people would often ask me about like

712
00:37:33,680 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: my modern piers now totally, Why does blah blah blah

713
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: wait ten years between records? Why does da data I

714
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: always show up late? Why does da da I always

715
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 1: get go to jail? Why is why is everyone dying

716
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 1: before sixty? Why? Like, why do we start addictions and

717
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: all these things? How do you deal with especially now

718
00:37:55,680 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: which I'm assuming that you've had an outpouring love out

719
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:02,960
Speaker 1: the Gate we didn't even talk about with my hair,

720
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: like the fact that out the Gate you got this love,

721
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: But I almost feel like the love you're getting now

722
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: for this record, which is why you know, I'm always

723
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 1: telling you like, I'm so like, I'm only telling you

724
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: like three percent of the excitement I feel about this

725
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 1: record totally, because what I don't want to do is

726
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: make it so overwhelming that now when you start to

727
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: go to another direction during your head about well, damn,

728
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:30,439
Speaker 1: people really loved me when I.

729
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 3: Was I had that experience with coping mechanism, like I

730
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 3: felt the energy of like people being like, oh, well,

731
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 3: people love you doing rock music.

732
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: People love you in this area.

733
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: And I did have a moment where I was like, well,

734
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 3: do I just make another rock album because it seems

735
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 3: like people really like that.

736
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 2: But in my heart of hearts, I don't know. I

737
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:51,480
Speaker 2: don't know.

738
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 3: I'm just super connected with my gut feeling, and my

739
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 3: gut feeling has led me through my entire life, and

740
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 3: I hope that I can stay connected enough to it

741
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: for it to lead me till I'm no longer here.

742
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 3: But my gut feeling was just like, you can't make

743
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 3: another rock album, bro, Like you just can't do it.

744
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: Like do you feel like you're speed dating to find

745
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: like what's my fit? Or no, who knows what you'll feel.

746
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 3: I think that I have been experimenting with so many

747
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: different kinds of music and gaining so many different tools.

748
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,800
Speaker 3: To continue to make so many different kinds of music

749
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 3: and continue to gain so many different tools. I think

750
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 3: my favorite musicians are the ones who do whatever the

751
00:39:36,040 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: fuck they want and who do it well, right with

752
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 3: like a scalpel, Like, do whatever the fuck you want,

753
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 3: but do it with like the most trained scalpel in

754
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,919
Speaker 3: the world, and that's what I'm going for.

755
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: That's what I'm going for.

756
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna try a new twist on an old question, please, Okay,

757
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: House on Fire? Okay, all right, Well you live in

758
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 1: LA anyway.

759
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: So I know, so that's pretty uh think about that.

760
00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: Okay, So you've saved your menagerie. Yes, you can only

761
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:17,720
Speaker 1: save five records from your collection. I'm gonna ask twenty

762
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: three you that question, and then i'm gonna ask thirteen

763
00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: year old you that question as well. So twenty three

764
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: years old, which five albums are you saving from your

765
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 1: record collection? Okay?

766
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: Purple Rain that's gonna be that's gonna be.

767
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 3: That's Prince Record, that's gonna be number I'm sorry, that's

768
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 3: gonna be number one for me. Or Sign of the

769
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 3: Times Okay, okay, no, no, okay, okay, I mean okay,

770
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm gonna put both of them in there.

771
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:46,439
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put Purple Rain and Sign of the Times

772
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 3: in there, So that's there's two in there. Okay, I'm

773
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 3: gonna put DiAngelo. I'm gonna put DiAngelo in there. I'm

774
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 3: gonna put U.

775
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: Which one in there?

776
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna pu Voodoo in there. Okay, I'm gonna put

777
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 2: DiAngelo Voodoo.

778
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put im gonna put Goldfrap Felt Mountain Word.

779
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:05,879
Speaker 1: Okay, how is that four?

780
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 2: Already?

781
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 3: Four?

782
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:11,240
Speaker 2: And then I'm gonna put that one high is Coyote album?

783
00:41:11,320 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: Oh Mood Mood Valiant.

784
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 3: Yes, that's the one. That's the one Mood Valiant. Okay, yeah,

785
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 3: so that's my twenty three year.

786
00:41:18,360 --> 00:41:20,040
Speaker 2: Old okay one?

787
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: Oh man, thirteen, Well, I feel like you were even

788
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: musically advanced at thirteen, so I might push this back

789
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 1: to like nine.

790
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, nine come on.

791
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,680
Speaker 1: Man, we all have those records.

792
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 3: I used to really love this artist named Lanka Lanka.

793
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 3: She was really cool. She had she had a she

794
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 3: had a song. Weirdly enough, I think the song was

795
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 3: called like a song. Ha weird, Yeah, Lanka Lanka. The

796
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:52,759
Speaker 3: song was literally called like a song, which is so weird.

797
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 3: Uh so we have Lanka uh imagen. I mean.

798
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: I actually didn't get into image heap until much later.

799
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 3: Hold on nine nine, man, When I was nine, I

800
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 3: was listening to some Lady Gaga.

801
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 2: Bro, I can't even nine dude, Lady show. You know,

802
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 2: you know, I was listening to some Lady Got nine Lanka.

803
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 3: At this time, I also was getting into a ballet,

804
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:23,880
Speaker 3: so I was like, I was listening to a lot

805
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 3: of classical music during this time as well. So when

806
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: you're when you're practicing ballet, that's all you listen to

807
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,280
Speaker 3: is classical music. Wow.

808
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: Nine nine nine. I wish I could look at Can

809
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 2: I look at my phone?

810
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:36,439
Speaker 1: Yes?

811
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,760
Speaker 2: Okay, because I'm like, I still have music.

812
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: On my phone from when I was nine.

813
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,720
Speaker 1: You can't throw away your history.

814
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, like music on my phone from when I was nine.

815
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 2: That's nuts. Oh wait, my mom got me into the

816
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: Cocktail Twins.

817
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: Nice.

818
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, my mom got me into the cock Yes, I

819
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 3: love that song. My mom got me into the Yes,

820
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:01,040
Speaker 3: my mom loves the Cocktail Twins.

821
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah she got me. Yeah, she got me.

822
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 3: My mom actually gave me, like my my musical taste

823
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:15,280
Speaker 3: from like nine to like fifteen's like all my mom, honestly,

824
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 3: which's kind of insaying, you know what's weird? Right, And

825
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 3: this is very controversial, but I'm going to say it anyway.

826
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:22,839
Speaker 1: Hit me.

827
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 2: Eminem was like one of my favorite musicians when I

828
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:26,839
Speaker 2: was like nine.

829
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:28,319
Speaker 1: It's not controversial.

830
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved like I literally had like my heart

831
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: like I was like, she's special.

832
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 2: Like nine years old. I'm like, this guy's special. I

833
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:38,759
Speaker 2: don't know how many that was.

834
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: He kind of went over it.

835
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went over it.

836
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, all right, So I see. Wait, I never

837
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: told you how I wound up discovering you by accident.

838
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

839
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

840
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 1: You know I work at thirty Rocks. Now I've been

841
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 1: there for sixteen years.

842
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 2: Wow, So that's amazing.

843
00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: Back in two thousand and nine, I still felt like

844
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: I was a part of the fabric of the world,

845
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 1: not like whatever I'm supposed to be now, like the

846
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 1: getting stages of the Sage Elder, like I don't want

847
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: to be that guy, but.

848
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 3: You are.

849
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 1: Thank you. But you know, there was a time period

850
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 1: where I started getting fatigue, and I have two occupations

851
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: that don't allow that. Being at the Tonight Show, I'm

852
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: always asked, hey, maybe what do you think about what

853
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 1: do you think about dirty projectors? Hey what do you

854
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:39,080
Speaker 1: think about? Right? And so it keeps you sharp. And

855
00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:43,319
Speaker 1: then as a DJ, now, yes, there's sometimes where I

856
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:47,479
Speaker 1: put myself in positions of which I'm allowed to play

857
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: what I feel. But then there's the ones in the

858
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 1: blue moon time where I actually have to like catch

859
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 1: up to society. I got to play the role. And

860
00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: the thing is is that oftentimes my interns and even now,

861
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: like my people that work with me, now you know,

862
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: they're in their twenties their thirties, so they keep me

863
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: sharp as into who's who and what's what. And so

864
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: I think this is right When Olivia Rodrigo was starting

865
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: to pop and I heard one song and my old

866
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: guy grumpy cynical stance wasn't there. Yeah, And I was like, oh,

867
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 1: that song's not bad totally. And then one of the

868
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: interns is like, well, yeah, because the producer she works

869
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: with is like kind of your age. Like, I heard

870
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: a lot of reference.

871
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 4: Like references, and I was like, oh, okay, so that's

872
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 4: why her music sounds like it sounded wise in I

873
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 4: was like, there's no way that someone in her.

874
00:45:55,080 --> 00:46:00,600
Speaker 1: Age knows references totally. So I get home and I

875
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,480
Speaker 1: put my speaker on. I was like, all right, let

876
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:06,200
Speaker 1: me see what else she has in her catalog that

877
00:46:06,320 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: I might gravitate towards. So I was listening, listening, listening, listening,

878
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,360
Speaker 1: and I'm the kind of person that when I'm still

879
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:18,440
Speaker 1: no matter what, Yeah, really instantly asleep. The thing is

880
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: the music's blasting.

881
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

882
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: And so I was sitting there on my and at

883
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: five o nine a m. I heard something.

884
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, damn, Olive is kind of incredible.

885
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's amazing. And but the thing was, I was such,

886
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: I mean, this is beyond the alpha and the beta

887
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:49,440
Speaker 1: state of sleep, Like sometimes I actually have the ability

888
00:46:49,480 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 1: to sleep and over my eyes will still be asleep total,

889
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 1: like occasionally, like my eyes will open but I can't move.

890
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:59,280
Speaker 1: I don't know how to describe it, like I'm still asleep,

891
00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: but somehow my eyes are are active totally. And I

892
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 1: realized that I was sleeping on top of my iPhone. Yeah,

893
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: and I felt the heat thing in the back, but

894
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:10,839
Speaker 1: it was such a deep sleep that I couldn't move

895
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: it totally. So I fell asleep again. And then at

896
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 1: around like maybe six thirty seven am, another song came on.

897
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, And this time I got up.

898
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:32,759
Speaker 1: I looked that Willow Smith. Yeah, wait a minute. I

899
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 1: got up at maybe the eight in the morning, totally

900
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 1: entirely in the gym. I went through your whole catalog,

901
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: like yo. And this leads back to the whole friend thing.

902
00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, how come no one put me

903
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: onto this?

904
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: Totally like what the fuck?

905
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 1: And then I called Kirk. I said, dude, you remember

906
00:47:49,560 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: what you.

907
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,800
Speaker 2: Told me about Willow? Yeah?

908
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: I said she was alwayshidding like this and girl was like, yo,

909
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: I was trying to tell you.

910
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 3: Wow.

911
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, how came you? I said, wait, Kurt,

912
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 1: how you know about this? And curts like a mirror.

913
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: I got kids, My kids put me on the I

914
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:07,480
Speaker 1: felt like, you know, I get mad when something's so

915
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: dope and no one puts me onto it.

916
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,880
Speaker 2: I feel you, I feel you. You're like, where have

917
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 2: I been?

918
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:13,879
Speaker 3: Right?

919
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:18,840
Speaker 1: And literally it's like I was aware, but I never

920
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 1: but not really, I've never deep that. Like, to me,

921
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: a mark of a true artist is when they're filler total,

922
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,360
Speaker 1: not the songs. You know, this is beyond, this is

923
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: not Wait a minute. Came on Olivia Radio like they

924
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: I know you say your anti technology. So when you're

925
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 1: on when you're on Spotify, when an album is done,

926
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: then they'll automatically put you on whatever artists you chose

927
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 1: their radio stage, of which then they'll start playing their music,

928
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: maybe two of their songs. Yeah, someone that's adjacent to

929
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:52,600
Speaker 1: but then they run out of that and whoever the

930
00:48:52,600 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: next artist is under her total. So then apparently in

931
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 1: my sleep, I just heard two hours of your music.

932
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: Totally sorry, Olivia, Look, I thought you had those amazing

933
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: coret changes, but it wasn't.

934
00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:11,760
Speaker 6: So we love everyone right, right, And so I've spent

935
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 6: like maybe four days just like asking people, like I.

936
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: Went to our bookers totally how come this is not

937
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 1: on the show? Literally, I just went on a mission

938
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 1: and that's how I was able to discovery.

939
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: I love that, like, I love that so much.

940
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: So for you, what is because I know that this

941
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 1: level of magic that's happening for you right now, it's new,

942
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: but I feel like there's a result of a manifestation.

943
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: Ask for something.

944
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,879
Speaker 2: Oh no, it is. It's a result of manifestation. And

945
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 2: just just not me, just no giving up, dude.

946
00:49:46,560 --> 00:49:50,279
Speaker 3: Just like I put out albums and you know, my

947
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 3: second album it was like orchestral.

948
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 2: There were a lot of like like cellos and stuff.

949
00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that was the first album that I actually

950
00:49:58,480 --> 00:49:59,680
Speaker 3: played guitar on.

951
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 2: This is the first.

952
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, the.

953
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 3: Titles, Yeah, I know I wanted it. I want I'm

954
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,799
Speaker 3: not even to go into that. I'm just I'm just

955
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,359
Speaker 3: a fucking weirdo. But so that was the first album

956
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 3: I actually played guitar on, and yeah, I don't know,

957
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:24,680
Speaker 3: Like I just feel like every time I've been challenging myself,

958
00:50:24,719 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 3: challenging myself, challenging myself, and I make it a point

959
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:29,719
Speaker 3: like every album, I want to be able to do

960
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 3: something I never was able to do before.

961
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: And so I feel like, you know, my sixth.

962
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 3: Album, I'm like, I just grew up a little bit, Like,

963
00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: you know, my tools have kind of I know where

964
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 3: they are. I know I have a little bit of

965
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,440
Speaker 3: a more of a mind to know how to use them.

966
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Just getting acquainted with the

967
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 3: tools that I've been that I've been just trying to gather.

968
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:54,959
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

969
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 1: All your collaborators from from dev to Tyler to on,

970
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,280
Speaker 1: how do you choose them? And like, what's the process

971
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: at the top of a project when you're creating this stuff.

972
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 3: I never go before I make an album like, oh

973
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: I want these people on it. I always have to

974
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:17,200
Speaker 3: make Jack Antonov said something really really insightful. He said,

975
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,879
Speaker 3: whenever you're making an album, there's always that song that's

976
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,000
Speaker 3: the door into your album. It's like, think of your

977
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 3: album as a house and you want to bring people inside.

978
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,640
Speaker 3: Like what song is that open door bringing people inside

979
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 3: of this house that is your album? And I never

980
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 3: like to think about features until I have that song

981
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 3: that is like, this is the entryway into Empathogen, This

982
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 3: is the entryway into coping mechanism. And once I have

983
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 3: that song, then I'm like who embodies? Like who embodies

984
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 3: the feeling at this entrance? Okay, you know what I'm saying,

985
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 3: Like who embodies? That's why having Jon Baptiste on the

986
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 3: first song of Empathogen, He's like.

987
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 6: Ah, I love everything, and the first voice on the

988
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 6: record literally of everything.

989
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: I was like, dude, do you know how amazing an

990
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: honor it is for you to be the first voice

991
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: of what I feel is her arrival to the life place,

992
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: Like of all the honor that he's gotten in the

993
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: last I know, like, forget his oscars, forget all that,

994
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 1: the fact that he gets to red carpet and be

995
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,160
Speaker 1: the first voice of your new.

996
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 3: Arrival and that's him being himself, like him, I love everything,

997
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 3: Like that's so him, Yes, And I felt like, oh

998
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 3: my goodness, Like what a perfect entry way into this

999
00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 3: house that I have created.

1000
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: How do you decide, because even with your album titles,

1001
00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:54,360
Speaker 1: does it come first or does it come last? Because

1002
00:52:54,800 --> 00:53:00,319
Speaker 1: like I decide what the overall theme is. As far

1003
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: as your album.

1004
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: Titles, there's usually a theme.

1005
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 3: Like for my first album, Artipithecius, that's the scientific artist,

1006
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 3: Like Artipithecus ramatist is like the scientific word for the

1007
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:16,280
Speaker 3: first hominid bones that scientists found that were standing upright.

1008
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 2: And so for me.

1009
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,320
Speaker 3: Nerds, I know that's what it's screams.

1010
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 2: It just screams a nerd because I am a nerd.

1011
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 3: But in my head, I was like, the title always

1012
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,440
Speaker 3: comes first, And in my head, I was like, this

1013
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 3: is my first album, It's going to be a part

1014
00:53:31,560 --> 00:53:33,680
Speaker 3: of an evolution.

1015
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:33,759
Speaker 2: Like I saw.

1016
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:35,239
Speaker 3: I was like, this is the first step on my

1017
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:40,799
Speaker 3: evolution as a musician. And Artipithecus Ramitist being like, it's

1018
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:43,440
Speaker 3: not quite human yet, you know what I'm saying, But

1019
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 3: we're we're what we're almost you know what I'm saying.

1020
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 3: We're almost We're katting there, you know what I'm saying.

1021
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 3: And so each album I am like, Okay, I know

1022
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 3: the feeling in my heart that I want this to

1023
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: express and what this means to me, like coping mechanism.

1024
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 2: I was so pressed through the entire recording of that album.

1025
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 3: I would like all the escapisms I was trying to escape,

1026
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying.

1027
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:12,480
Speaker 1: But yet you let us in when you're that vulnerable.

1028
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:17,080
Speaker 1: How hard is that? Because a lot of the artists

1029
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 1: I know hide and plain sight totally the first time

1030
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 1: I ever heard of this term. Bary Gordy was the

1031
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: only one not impressed with Marvin Gaye's mastery of multiple tracking. Yeah,

1032
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 1: and I don't know if you know the story of

1033
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: Got to Give It Up, but he actually made a

1034
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: bet with Marvin Gaye. He says, look, I'll give you

1035
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: a one hundred thousand dollars check if you can give

1036
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 1: me one song when you're not trying to hide behind

1037
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: all your background vocals and you just sing one lead

1038
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 1: and has to be clear or is that we know?

1039
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:52,279
Speaker 2: Totally?

1040
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: He said, if you could do that for five minutes

1041
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: and that song goes to number one, I'll give you

1042
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: this hundred thousand dollars check. So Marvin Gaye did Got

1043
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: to Give It Up? Wow, And sure enough, like right

1044
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 1: after the five minute mark, suddenly all.

1045
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,680
Speaker 2: The yeah, exactly exactly.

1046
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: But when I went back to listen, I was like, oh, okay,

1047
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,880
Speaker 1: Marvin Gay hides and plain sight where he's hide and

1048
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,799
Speaker 1: behind all of his background vocals and totally you can't

1049
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: make it out and what's he's saying and all that stuff,

1050
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: because you're very clear on your intentions and on sharing

1051
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: what you go through. Like, what was the decision to

1052
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,160
Speaker 1: be that honest?

1053
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,280
Speaker 2: I never really thought there was any other way.

1054
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 3: I feel like being a kid and being like, ugh,

1055
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 3: like I don't want to be the kind of like

1056
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: I don't want to be a pop star. I don't

1057
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 3: want to I don't want to have people pitching me

1058
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 3: songs and writing me songs and have other people producing

1059
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:48,640
Speaker 3: them and then I just show up and da like

1060
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 3: I don't want to do that. That whole realization was

1061
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:56,399
Speaker 3: a part of me being like this is not this

1062
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,280
Speaker 3: is not vulnerable. I'm trying to get to the most

1063
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,480
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get to the top of that vulnerability hill,

1064
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 3: you see what I'm saying. So that whole thing for me,

1065
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 3: me going away from that way of doing things was

1066
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 3: also me searching for a way to be more vulnerable,

1067
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 3: and I've never really gotten off that path. I just

1068
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 3: knew that the artists that I love, the artists that

1069
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:24,959
Speaker 3: make me feel like life is worth living, they don't

1070
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 3: hold anything back and they really tell you how it is.

1071
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 3: And I've always wanted to be one of those artists.

1072
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:33,120
Speaker 3: I never that was never an option in my mind

1073
00:56:33,320 --> 00:56:35,360
Speaker 3: to like play it safe.

1074
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: Did you fear that we wouldn't receive it?

1075
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 3: Because it has not been received? Many times it hasn't

1076
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,360
Speaker 3: been received. Well, you know what I'm saying.

1077
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: You wait time out, you read your press or you

1078
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: read your whatever reviews.

1079
00:56:47,640 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 2: I don't.

1080
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 3: But when you're on social media and you just put

1081
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 3: out an album or people are talking or whatever, and

1082
00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 3: you just get a vibe from your peers, you get

1083
00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:58,839
Speaker 3: a vibe from you know what I'm saying. And there

1084
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: have been many times where IM like a that just

1085
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:03,720
Speaker 3: didn't hit, Like that's okay, you know what I'm saying,

1086
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 3: Like that one didn't quite land, you know, and that's okay.

1087
00:57:13,120 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: What is your biggest fear in life?

1088
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 2: Not reaching my potential?

1089
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: Do you visualize what your potential is?

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00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 2: I do?

1091
00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: What is your dream?

1092
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:24,560
Speaker 2: Then that's a big right.

1093
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: Now you can share it. Nothing's too silly, Nothing silly?

1094
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:36,400
Speaker 2: What is my dream. I want to be like a shaman.

1095
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 3: Who brings people closer to themselves, but I want to

1096
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:47,720
Speaker 3: be a shaman through music. Yes, you see what I'm saying,

1097
00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:52,440
Speaker 3: like the interconnectedness, like the science and also the spiritual

1098
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:55,840
Speaker 3: aspect of it, and have it integrate completely.

1099
00:57:57,040 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 2: I thought you were gonna give me the nerd alert

1100
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 2: nerd alert, but it's true because I am a nerd.

1101
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: But I also yeah, like since and I've talked about

1102
00:58:05,240 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: this on the show, like yeah, but before twenty twenty,

1103
00:58:08,200 --> 00:58:11,720
Speaker 1: I was hide and play sight, running from my shadow,

1104
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 1: raised in a very strict religious like anything outside of

1105
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 1: like my next project, I can't announce it yet, but

1106
00:58:22,520 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 1: we started. My next project is going to deal a

1107
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:32,840
Speaker 1: lot with metaphysical living yea. And my goal is, if

1108
00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: I have a dream, my dream is to pry people

1109
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: away from what they've been taught totally in terms of

1110
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: spirituality the R word, yeah, and letting go of the

1111
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 1: R word and letting more metaphysical spirituality.

1112
00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,640
Speaker 2: And that is so beautiful, which.

1113
00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:57,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a lofty goal, but it's it's going

1114
00:58:57,600 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 1: to be hard because if you know us, you know

1115
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 1: that safety, safety is our homeboy, and rather like you

1116
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 1: know that idea of what we related, you know, raised

1117
00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:11,959
Speaker 1: it as far as religion is concerned. Is that so? Yeah?

1118
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 3: No, no, No, expanding the scope of what it means

1119
00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 3: to be a black person, like you know, what it

1120
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 3: means to be a black person connected to God? You

1121
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, That whole aspect is like, there's

1122
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:28,560
Speaker 3: so much room.

1123
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 2: To expand that. Yes, there's so much room to expand that.

1124
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:34,000
Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 1: I did my first journey, like I mean twenty seventeen. Wow,

1126
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,360
Speaker 1: So I was like, yeah, I want to be a

1127
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: shaman totally. But it's also like, well, I gotta be

1128
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 1: this guy too, So how do I work my way

1129
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 1: into that? So I'm glad you said that. I'm at

1130
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:53,800
Speaker 1: least with you. I'm like, okay, I'm not crazy. No,

1131
00:59:53,920 --> 00:59:54,880
Speaker 1: being a shaman.

1132
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 2: No, being a shaman is like being a monk or

1133
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:59,840
Speaker 2: a shaman. That's what I always say, being a shaman.

1134
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: Yes, that's okay. You say you were anti technology.

1135
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 2: But I wouldn't say anti technology.

1136
01:00:06,920 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: I would say television, I do what do you binge?

1137
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,520
Speaker 2: What do I binge? I really love that one show

1138
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:14,960
Speaker 2: Blown Away where they blow glass.

1139
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: That's all they do, that's all they do.

1140
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:20,919
Speaker 3: They blow glass and they like make these insane glass sculptures.

1141
01:00:21,720 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: Okay, where where do I find.

1142
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: This in Netflix?

1143
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 1: Okay? Blown away?

1144
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: Blown away?

1145
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:29,560
Speaker 1: Say like the guy a channel or something like that.

1146
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 3: No, it's like it's super artistic. But I wouldn't say.

1147
01:00:32,280 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 3: I wouldn't say I mean blowing or is it? No?

1148
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,200
Speaker 3: People just go in their artists and they blow glass

1149
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 3: and they and they compete.

1150
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:42,960
Speaker 2: Wow, Like what's yeah, it's called blown away?

1151
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 1: See the business guy means also like trying to figure

1152
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:49,160
Speaker 1: out what that pitch meaning was, like literally like okay,

1153
01:00:49,200 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: here's the deal. It's beautiful, you're going to do glass

1154
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,040
Speaker 1: towards all right? Blow away?

1155
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: No, it's flying?

1156
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1157
01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:57,080
Speaker 3: Uh?

1158
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 1: What is your all time favorite cereal? Question? Really?

1159
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 3: I me and my brothers would down some cinnamon toast

1160
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 3: crunch back in the day.

1161
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 2: I love Yeah.

1162
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: Okay. Well, as a person that's always displayed her talents

1163
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 1: on our social media, I think there's anything left. What

1164
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: secret talent do you have that we don't know about?

1165
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 2: Listening?

1166
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:24,120
Speaker 1: That's a talent.

1167
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:28,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, some people don't do it well.

1168
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 2: Most people don't do it well.

1169
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: Facts. Okay, what is your go to order at Starbucks?

1170
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:45,840
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, hibiscus the ice hibiscus something tea, Yes, yeah,

1171
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 3: I love it.

1172
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 1: I'm new to I'm new to Starbucks World. I've avoided

1173
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: tea and coffee for the longest point.

1174
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:54,760
Speaker 2: I feel you as of lately I've been it's just

1175
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:55,400
Speaker 2: so sugary.

1176
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, what is the one conception of you that

1177
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: most of us get wrong that you would like to correct.

1178
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 3: That I am somehow exempt from feeling deeply because I

1179
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: have privilege.

1180
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 1: That's real, that's real. That's another part of this sli thing,

1181
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 1: like we often think that once you get to safety,

1182
01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 1: oh there's money, that's actually.

1183
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 2: When the problems start totally.

1184
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 1: That's when again I don't know what the one to

1185
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:36,400
Speaker 1: ten level of what your reaction was to the pandemic.

1186
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:39,600
Speaker 1: You know, I went through like maybe three weeks of

1187
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 1: like balled up in the corner fetal positions level panic

1188
01:02:44,720 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 1: and then you know, that's when suddenly I get you know,

1189
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: a mere you need to learn what meditation is and

1190
01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:54,919
Speaker 1: all that stuff. So there was a period even though, yes,

1191
01:02:55,040 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty was somewhat of a horrible year because also

1192
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: on my side of the fence, like the amount of

1193
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: people all lost, Yeah, a lot of a mount of

1194
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,160
Speaker 1: people in the hospital, like you know, I mean, can

1195
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:08,840
Speaker 1: you help us out with dada da? So, like just

1196
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,080
Speaker 1: the weight of my world.

1197
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: A community trying to try.

1198
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 1: To it was hard. But I think for the first

1199
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: time of this year, I started like looking at twenty

1200
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:24,920
Speaker 1: twenty like the good old days, which I don't.

1201
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: Know, like how is that happening?

1202
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: So like now that we're in twenty twenty four, like

1203
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:36,480
Speaker 1: how do you look at twenty twenty, Like was it

1204
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 1: the good old days? Or was it like.

1205
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 2: Never again?

1206
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 3: Twenty twenty was dark, okay, twenty twenty, twenty twenty one,

1207
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:46,520
Speaker 3: twenty twenty.

1208
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: Two, it was dark, okay.

1209
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 3: But I will say the thing that really kept me present.

1210
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:56,960
Speaker 3: This is gonna sound weird, but if I didn't have

1211
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,720
Speaker 3: so many animals, I probably would have been way more

1212
01:03:59,720 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 3: dis associated and not grounded in reality because you got

1213
01:04:04,320 --> 01:04:07,000
Speaker 3: six animals looking at you like I need this, I

1214
01:04:07,040 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 3: need this, I need.

1215
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 2: This all the time.

1216
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:13,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, And so that kept me always so in the

1217
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:14,200
Speaker 3: present moment.

1218
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:15,840
Speaker 1: Are the dogs the same breed at least?

1219
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 2: No, they're all different. One's one's this big, one's like

1220
01:04:21,280 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 2: it's a lot.

1221
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,360
Speaker 1: Jackie Barland, Tito, Michael Randy and.

1222
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:32,520
Speaker 2: Were putting them to work. So the cats are Lola, Tubs.

1223
01:04:32,240 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: And Aria okay.

1224
01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: And the dogs are Abby, Corn and Rocky. And Rocky's

1225
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:39,640
Speaker 3: the big one, the big german shepherd. Abby and Corn

1226
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 3: are Tainy okay.

1227
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,640
Speaker 1: Last three questions, When is the last time you cried?

1228
01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: Huh A little bit this morning?

1229
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 1: Okay? Yeah?

1230
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: I cry every day.

1231
01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 1: That's amazing.

1232
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I cry every day, damn.

1233
01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 1: One of my biggest shames was like, doing one therapy session,

1234
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,960
Speaker 1: they asked like, when's the last time you cried? I

1235
01:04:59,000 --> 01:04:59,800
Speaker 1: was like this decade?

1236
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:00,880
Speaker 2: Ah?

1237
01:05:00,920 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 3: Wow?

1238
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 2: Really and they were like whoa.

1239
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: They were like, you basically said that you haven't taken

1240
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:09,120
Speaker 1: a piss in a decade. Is that what you're saying?

1241
01:05:09,240 --> 01:05:12,400
Speaker 1: And I was like, well, you know, maybe five years

1242
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,439
Speaker 1: ago in my boy's funeral, I think I cried.

1243
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: It's so good for.

1244
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:19,400
Speaker 1: Three twenty three, twenty twenty. Wow, that's amazing. I mean,

1245
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:22,080
Speaker 1: I wish I had that.

1246
01:05:21,080 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 2: That hyper emotion emotion out sometimes.

1247
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: I see, no, I gotta get to your life. I

1248
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,880
Speaker 1: gotta I gotta do that. At least your emotions are moving.

1249
01:05:29,920 --> 01:05:30,240
Speaker 2: We got it.

1250
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, what's your favorite word?

1251
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 2: Recently? I've been saying voracious a.

1252
01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: Lot okay for future scrabble game.

1253
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,880
Speaker 3: Gracious, No, Like, I just love like like I'm a

1254
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:44,080
Speaker 3: voracious reader, like I love like. It's like you're so

1255
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,760
Speaker 3: in like you're so into it, you're so like consumed

1256
01:05:47,800 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 3: by it.

1257
01:05:49,040 --> 01:05:53,480
Speaker 1: Last question, you're in your seventies, you have the luxury

1258
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,120
Speaker 1: to retire, and let's just say the earth is still here.

1259
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: Oh man, I hope so yeah. Flip a coin.

1260
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, where are.

1261
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:03,640
Speaker 1: The three cities that if you did not have to

1262
01:06:03,680 --> 01:06:06,400
Speaker 1: work a day in your life ever again, would you

1263
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: just want to be in exist with three cities?

1264
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 3: I feel like I'd be down to pass away, live

1265
01:06:14,520 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 3: the rest of my days in like Oregon or Portland.

1266
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know about Portland.

1267
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 3: I love Portland like I love Oregon, Like I literally

1268
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:26,720
Speaker 3: road trip down there all the time, just just like

1269
01:06:26,800 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 3: for nothing or India.

1270
01:06:29,160 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 1: Talk Portland. Until the kind of fuckery of twenty twenty

1271
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:39,120
Speaker 1: that happened, Portland was my number one city ever more

1272
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,040
Speaker 1: use record Store totally. The Food Truck game was good,

1273
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: bro wow. I thought it was the only one that

1274
01:06:45,200 --> 01:06:47,919
Speaker 1: rode like. Portland and Austin were always like my team.

1275
01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:52,200
Speaker 2: The vibe is just so there, Like I don't know, look.

1276
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 1: I cannot say this enough. I've been as a guy

1277
01:06:56,640 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: who's been constantly grumpy of like just dealing with well, no,

1278
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:06,440
Speaker 1: not dealing with life, as this is a person who's

1279
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:11,160
Speaker 1: married to music, like I've been in show business like

1280
01:07:11,480 --> 01:07:15,400
Speaker 1: since the age of five. Yeah, and you know, there's

1281
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 1: a point where suddenly I didn't like music anymore, and

1282
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 1: then I became indifferent, and then I just had no

1283
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:29,080
Speaker 1: hope for the future whatsoever. I want to thank you

1284
01:07:30,280 --> 01:07:38,720
Speaker 1: for just allowing yourself the space to be this artist

1285
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:41,600
Speaker 1: like I needed to see it, you know, because sometimes

1286
01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:46,360
Speaker 1: we often feel like we're a loaned and I was

1287
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:52,600
Speaker 1: looking ahead for a leader, and you know, maybe I

1288
01:07:52,640 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 1: had to realize that. Well, you ever think that one

1289
01:07:55,440 --> 01:08:01,960
Speaker 1: day that a black woman three decades your your your junior,

1290
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: might be the leader that you're looking for. And I'm

1291
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:09,560
Speaker 1: just and I don't think it's by accident of discovering

1292
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 1: your music and all those things. Like, I want to

1293
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:20,599
Speaker 1: thank you for allowing yourself the space to grow. And

1294
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,400
Speaker 1: I know that if other people see it, it makes

1295
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:27,920
Speaker 1: them feel that they can do it too. Yes, and

1296
01:08:28,240 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 1: maybe this is the paradigm shift I've been hoping for.

1297
01:08:32,680 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 2: So you're gonna make cry yes.

1298
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: On, behalf on, behalf of my q ols fam. Shout

1299
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:49,720
Speaker 1: out to Chick, Stephen and Bill and and Uhlayah, Fontigelow,

1300
01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,560
Speaker 1: Jake and Fritt. Thank you very much, Willis Smith. This

1301
01:08:54,040 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: was an overdue conversation. Oh come on now, tell me

1302
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: a joke. All right, end on this, tell me a joke.

1303
01:09:02,720 --> 01:09:06,599
Speaker 2: I can't. I'm just a thank you so much for this.

1304
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:09,120
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, you're welcome.

1305
01:09:09,160 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. All right, goodbye people. Wow, that

1306
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: was awesome.

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Speaker 2: That was amazing.

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Speaker 7: Thank you for listening to Quest Love Supreme. This podcast

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Speaker 7: is hosted by a Mere Quest Love, Thompson, Liyah Saint Clair,

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Speaker 7: Fonte Coleman Sugar, Steve Mandell, and myself unpaid Bill Shir.

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Speaker 1: The executive producers.

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Speaker 7: Are Meir just walked into the goddamn room, Thompson, Sean

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Speaker 7: g and Brian Calhoun. Produced by Brittany Benjamin, Jake Payne

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Speaker 7: and Liah Saint Clair. Edited by Alex Conroy I Know

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Speaker 7: Alex Conwen. Produced for iHeart by Noel Brown.

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Speaker 1: West Love Supreme is a production of iHeart Radio. For

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Speaker 1: more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeart Radio app

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