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Speaker 2: I remember going to uh remember what you watch uh

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Speaker 1: on that show, Evan. Those are Alex Bars Patriots Cats

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Speaker 1: But if that's the plan, you have to commit to it.

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Speaker 2: I do think there's something to that. You know, you

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Speaker 1: Again, he's not going to play them. They're not going

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Speaker 1: They have rookie tight ends on the field like that.

433
00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,360
Speaker 1: Their entire team was young, and I think that that's

434
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,960
Speaker 1: that's the model. And I get that Jordan Love is

435
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,359
Speaker 1: a better quarterback than what the Patriots have on the roster.

436
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:26,920
Speaker 1: He got the benefit of sitting behind Aaron Rodgers. It's

437
00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,720
Speaker 1: not apples to apples. I understand, right, that's the thing.

438
00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: It's easy to do if you're going. If they're really

439
00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,240
Speaker 1: going to commit to sitting the quarterback for a year, fine,

440
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,480
Speaker 1: I guess again, I come back to I don't think

441
00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:41,320
Speaker 1: if that's the plan. If the plan is, yeah, we're fine,

442
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:44,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna have, you know, of eleven starters on offense,

443
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 1: seven or eight of them are gonna be on rookie

444
00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 1: contracts to start twenty twenty five.

445
00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: If that's the plan, that's really the plan. Two or

446
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 2: three hits in the draft is not enough this year.

447
00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,240
Speaker 2: You need to go. They got eight picks right now,

448
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,880
Speaker 2: they got to get they got to hit on five

449
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:03,120
Speaker 2: six offensive players. And I'm the one who's been sitting

450
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: up here telling people don't be afraid of the draft.

451
00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 2: I think, actually don't know if I've given this take

452
00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: on the air. I think I've just given it talking

453
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 2: to my friends off the ledge that because they're like, well.

454
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Speaker 1: I'm talking to you off the ledge right now, talking

455
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 1: off ledge. It has flipped a little bit. Yeah.

456
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Speaker 2: I think that there's an element of and maybe this

457
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,480
Speaker 2: kind of goes counter to everything I just said. But

458
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Speaker 2: you know, I I tell people, oh, you know, you

459
00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 2: can get wide you know there you take the Like

460
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Speaker 2: why do you take the quarterback of three? You so

461
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 2: need a wide receiver, you so need attackle. I'm like,

462
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,720
Speaker 2: you can get wide receivers later in the draft. You

463
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 2: can get tackles later in the draft.

464
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Speaker 1: Like, no, you can't.

465
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Speaker 2: I'm like, you can. The Patriots haven't in a long time. Yeah,

466
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 2: but that's what good teams do. They go out and

467
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Speaker 2: they find starting caliber players beyond the first round in

468
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 2: the draft. I think that some Patriots fans unders maybe

469
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,560
Speaker 2: you could already understandably just right off draft picks as

470
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,400
Speaker 2: if they hit great, but you can't count on them.

471
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 2: That's not the way most teams operate. Most teams operate

472
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,960
Speaker 2: as you're planning on getting quality players. You're one with

473
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 2: some of these picks, especially in the top one hundred,

474
00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: liked you're projecting that that guy at sixty eight is

475
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,119
Speaker 2: going to be a starting player for you within the

476
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Speaker 2: first couple of years of his rookie deal. I'm saying

477
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Speaker 2: year one. So this is where I think they're at.

478
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Speaker 2: I well, but that's my point. I think they're at like,

479
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 2: you need three year one start.

480
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Speaker 1: They need to come out of the draft with three

481
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Speaker 1: year one offense starts in top one hundred and I

482
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 1: think a year one starter somewhere on day three. I

483
00:23:25,840 --> 00:23:27,879
Speaker 1: just for them to execute the plan they're trying to

484
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 1: execute again, I to be competitive in twenty four, Like

485
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 1: if their goal is no, but but beyond that, because

486
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: their goal is to their goal is to realistically start

487
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: being a playoff contender. I don't want to say super

488
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 1: Bowl contender. Yeah, playoff contender year and three year, three

489
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Speaker 1: year three. But so now we're talking about twenty twenty,

490
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Speaker 1: seventy twenty seven.

491
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Speaker 2: But what I'm saying is if you miss, they don't

492
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 2: have the Packers that David Botier, right left tackle for

493
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: a long time, right, I know, draft develop but they

494
00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: had him there. They never to worry about him, right,

495
00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,320
Speaker 2: They had Devauante Adams there for a couple of contracts.

496
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Speaker 1: You don't have to worry about this.

497
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,000
Speaker 2: This is my point is that if you miss on

498
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 2: these picks and you're not gonna spend in free agency,

499
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 2: you're gonna end up chasing them.

500
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Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred and So it's this is this is

501
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,719
Speaker 1: you can pick two paths. Right. They could either have

502
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 1: come out like they did in twenty one and spend

503
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:17,919
Speaker 1: a bunch of money to get to that floor that

504
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:20,119
Speaker 1: you're talking about. But I don't think they needed to

505
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: have the twenty one offseason to get to that floor.

506
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: I don't. I just don't really know where the players

507
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,119
Speaker 1: were gonna come from then, because here's the thing. I

508
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 1: think ultimate.

509
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:34,119
Speaker 2: They have gotten a starting tackle so they could focus

510
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 2: more on free agency in the draft.

511
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Speaker 1: So I ask what I think you're getting at, and

512
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: I I understand, and I understand where you're coming from

513
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: is that you can't wait to the draft to fill

514
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,199
Speaker 1: all of these reasons. You have to use some of

515
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 1: the assets that you're disposable of, these premium resources. Yeah,

516
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:54,120
Speaker 1: which for the Patriots this offseason was cap space. Yeah right,

517
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,639
Speaker 1: you have to use some of the premium resources to

518
00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: fill some of these holes so that you don't need

519
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 1: to hit on a tackle on day two and you

520
00:25:01,840 --> 00:25:04,159
Speaker 1: don't need to hit on a receiver on day two

521
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: to put a respectable product out on the field. And

522
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you that they couldn't. They probably

523
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: should have done that. And I think they tried with

524
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley, they just it he went elsewhere. I think

525
00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: they they should have done that to an extent. But

526
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 1: I still think that in terms of the big picture,

527
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: this is this is the model. And I'm not I'm

528
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,720
Speaker 1: not sitting here telling you that this is gonna work.

529
00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: I'm not sitting here telling you that this is a

530
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: guaranteed a plus that this is definitely gonna be a

531
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: good thing for the Patriots. I'm just telling you what

532
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 1: I think is going on. And we'll see like that

533
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 1: in terms of judging it, Yeah, we'll see what it

534
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 1: looks like over the next year or two. Yeah.

535
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 2: No, I just I think that, And and I don't know,

536
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,120
Speaker 2: I get that this is the mom I didn't think

537
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 2: they were going to adhere this aggressively to the model

538
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 2: in year one. Again, I thought there'd be more of

539
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: a transition, but.

540
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: It's really tough to point to go into the draft

541
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 1: needing to hit at three premium positions right in the

542
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: in your first three picks essentially. Yeah, and we were

543
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: hoping that they would pay a tackle, pay a Calvin Ridley,

544
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: so that way there. Yeah, you still need the receiver,

545
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: but the receiver now maybe it waits to sixty eight, right,

546
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 1: You can kind of push it down the board a

547
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 1: little bit. And secondly, the receiver is now a cherry

548
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 1: on top. He's now the bonus instead of counting on

549
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: that player being.

550
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 2: A year you sign a guy. You look at the

551
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,160
Speaker 2: contract Joana Williamscott. You signed Joan Williams for two years. Now,

552
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,159
Speaker 2: you can take the tackle a little later, try to

553
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 2: develop him and if he doesn't work, okay, tackle becomes

554
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,360
Speaker 2: the premium need next year.

555
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: But you don't.

556
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 2: You've bought some yourself some time in attacking that. And

557
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 2: like you said, like maybe they're not worried as much

558
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 2: about being competitive in twenty twenty four, but I do

559
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 2: think there needs to be some baseline in terms of, yeah,

560
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 2: I think how much is your key receiver gonna develop

561
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 2: if the quarterback has no time to get him the ball.

562
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he can't, you know.

563
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 2: Actually make that's and I'm not saying you have to

564
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,480
Speaker 2: go out and get Joe Thomas to make sure your

565
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:14,880
Speaker 2: your you know, your development's in place. But if it's

566
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 2: a turnstile left tackle and the quarterback can't get the

567
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 2: ball off, it's gonna hurt the receiver's development because, like

568
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,199
Speaker 2: you said, the development comes with playing, but it's not

569
00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: simply being on the field and running routes. It's actually

570
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: being involved in the offense.

571
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they to me though, the ultimate thing, and then

572
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: I want to move on to our Calvin Ridley post

573
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 1: mortem here and then we'll open it up to the

574
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: phones and the emails. I think the biggest thing is

575
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 1: is that it comes back to what they said Drod

576
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: Mayo said after he got hired, what Elliot Wolf said

577
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 1: at the combine. They really, in my opinion, set up

578
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 1: fans to think that they were going to aggressively go

579
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,119
Speaker 1: after it right out of the gate of turning this

580
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,720
Speaker 1: team around, and then all of a sudden, it was like,

581
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: oh wait a second, who you know, let's take a

582
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 1: step back. We got a lot of holes to fix.

583
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: We got a lot of things we got to do here. Now,

584
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,040
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, it's this more methodical approach, and

585
00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: I think that that set fans up for I guess,

586
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: just promise something that they didn't deliver.

587
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,200
Speaker 2: When you lay it out that way, it's full throat

588
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 2: a saying saying we have all these holes to fill,

589
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,720
Speaker 2: and then having one hundred million in cap space and

590
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 2: filling none of them just feels. However you set that up,

591
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:28,880
Speaker 2: that feels and I get that there's a bigger plan

592
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 2: in place, but that feels very counterproductive. To go back

593
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 2: to Wolf again where he says, you know, it's not

594
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: going to make sense every year for us to sign

595
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 2: big free agents, but we have the resources and we

596
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: have a lot of improvement that's needed. So if you

597
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: have the resources and you need the improvement, why not

598
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: why not use the resources to aid in that improvement.

599
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: Just because oh, well, no, we want to do it

600
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 2: in the I get you want to do it in

601
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 2: the draft. Why can't you supplement the draft.

602
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: With free agency? That's so's it doesn't even feel like

603
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: they've supplemented the draft.

604
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 3: Right.

605
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: Let's transition a little bit here to Calvin Ridley. Because

606
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: whether we can argue about this or go back and

607
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: forth about this, I don't even think we're arguing go

608
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,040
Speaker 1: back and forth about it all day. But the bottom

609
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: line is is that they tried with Calvin Ridley. They

610
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: tried to do what we were advocating for and we're

611
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: arguing for, which is to at least hit one of

612
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: these gaping holes on the roster offensively so that it's

613
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: not all riding on the draft next month at wide receiver.

614
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: They tried to do that with Calvin Ridley. Albert Brewer

615
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 1: had the report that the Patriots were at twenty two.

616
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: I believe it was million a year. The Jags were

617
00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 1: at twenty The Titans came in at twenty four, right

618
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 1: four for ninety four, whatever it is. And I'm not

619
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: going to give the whole spiel about the state income

620
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: tax and cost of living and all that kind of stuff,

621
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: But doing the math quickly, and I'm not a pro

622
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 1: at this, but doing the math quick quickly. To be

623
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: at a comparable number of as the Titans, the Patriots

624
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 1: would have had to have been around twenty six million

625
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 1: a year in terms of the actual outlay. Now, I

626
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: think that there was also another big factor for Ridley,

627
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: which was location and he's from Florida. His wife has

628
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: posted up in Florida kind of you know, made business

629
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 1: down there for herself. And Tennessee Nashville is is not

630
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 1: is a is a puddle jumper from from where their

631
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: home base is. So that's an element of it as well.

632
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: But they struck out. They swung big at Calvin Ridley

633
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: and they struck out. And I think that they're One

634
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: thing that they did try to do in free agency

635
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 1: to be aggressive, was they they did target a top

636
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: of market guy in Ridley. They just didn't hit. And

637
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: so now you're in a position where we can discuss

638
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 1: how we feel about the fact that they didn't eventually

639
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: close on Calvin Ridley and obvious a sleep where they

640
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: turned to.

641
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 2: Now right, So, I, despite everything I just said, I

642
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 2: don't mind the missing on Calvin Ridley.

643
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 1: How how could you just give me that?

644
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 4: Why?

645
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 2: I'll tell you because because this is that's exactly he's

646
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 2: the player. What for what he went for? For what

647
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: he went for?

648
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 1: But they were right there, so they wanted to pay

649
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 1: him to I know they did. But here's my thing.

650
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 2: For what he went for, how much more than that

651
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: would it cost to say, extend T Higgins. If I'm

652
00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:34,120
Speaker 2: going to be spending that much money at that point,

653
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 2: I'll get you on clearly better, I'll get right. So

654
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: that's my This was about the Calvin Ridley contract. Was

655
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 2: about the Titans should have given that contract to AJ

656
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:43,800
Speaker 2: Brown two years ago.

657
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 1: They didn't.

658
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 2: It blew up in their face and the this was

659
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: a panic move over correction to not paying it.

660
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: A J.

661
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: Brown wanted four years, one hundred million dollars. That was

662
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:52,719
Speaker 1: a report.

663
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: They gave Calvin Ridley four years ninety six million. Caln

664
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 2: Redley was older and not as good as AJ Brown.

665
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 2: This was the Titans just doing what the Titans do,

666
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: falling in love with an old receiver to cover up

667
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 2: past mistakes. That's its own thing. The Patriots got involved

668
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: in it, but that's a Titan. That's for Titans Catch

669
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 2: twenty two to discuss. If and I said this last

670
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 2: week too, would be like, well, SOE, would you just

671
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 2: like give Ridley a blank check at a certain point,

672
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,680
Speaker 2: if with a guy like T. Higgins reportedly being available,

673
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,479
Speaker 2: if I'm going to spend twenty two million a year

674
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: on Calvin Ridley or no, it wouldn't be twenty would

675
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 2: is the number you said twenty six to.

676
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 1: Be comparable to them?

677
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'd rather at that point, I'll just turn them.

678
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: I'll give them money to T Higgins, who's a better player.

679
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: I still want them to add a wide receiver. But

680
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 2: it got to a price point where if this is

681
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: how much reply we're paying, there are players out there

682
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 2: more worth that money who are worth that money. I

683
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: think are more so worth that money. So I'd rather

684
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 2: give it to one of those guys. That's why Ridley

685
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: doesn't bother me so much, Because if I'm going to

686
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 2: pay twenty five million dollars for receiver, give me a

687
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 2: receiver who's twenty five and has the long term future

688
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 2: in the NFL and is still getting better of which

689
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 2: and I know Brandon Nayuk some people target him to

690
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 2: I like Higgins personally better.

691
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: You like Higgins better than Brandon Nayuk. Yeah, okay, we'll

692
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: get to that in a second. Okay, but I'd rather

693
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: pay that guy. The one that bothers me is Johan Williams,

694
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 1: because that felt like a doable contract.

695
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 2: Again, you can stick him in the left tackle for

696
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 2: a year. You draft your tackle sixty eight one oh three,

697
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,760
Speaker 2: some developmental guy. You see what happens if not all right,

698
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:25,240
Speaker 2: you got quarterback at three, you got receiver thirty four.

699
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: Now next year it's tackle tackle tackle tackle. That felt

700
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: like a more realistic plan. Giving Calvin Ridley twenty five

701
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, yeah, it's at that point, give

702
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,240
Speaker 2: me a younger established start.

703
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: I think giving Calvin Ridley twenty five million dollars a

704
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: year would have been throwing us in the fan base

705
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: of bone. It would have been you guys are starving

706
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: for for receivers that you can go buy his jersey

707
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,640
Speaker 1: and you can draft him in fantasy. And I'm not

708
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: like mocking people. I'm just saying I get that that's

709
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: the reality. If you're gonna do it, you're gonna come

710
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: out to training camp and you know you're gonna have

711
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 1: somebody that you can chant his name asked for as

712
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: like all. And there's value in that. I'm not trying

713
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: to mock people, really not. But the bottom line is

714
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: is that that's the Calvin Ridley. Paying up for Calvin

715
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: Ridley and outbitting the Titans was to make that splash.

716
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: To make that splash, it wasn't necessarily going to I

717
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: don't want to say it's not gonna improve their team,

718
00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 1: because I like Calvin Ridley and I think it would

719
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: have improved their team. But to your point, they overpaid

720
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,120
Speaker 1: for really a guy that's like a number two receiver

721
00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 1: right at the end. So that's my point.

722
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:31,840
Speaker 2: There were supposedly guys who are actual number one receivers, yes,

723
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: that you can go get for. If I'm gonna spend

724
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: twenty five million on Calvin Ridley, I'd rather just spend

725
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: it's gonna cost a little more. But I would think

726
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 2: if they're gonna spend twenty five on Ridley, they'd spend

727
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: twenty seven on T Higgins or whatever it's gonna cost

728
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 2: the Higgins.

729
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: So let's get into that, because I think that's far

730
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 1: more interesting than belaboring the point about them missing on

731
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: Calvin Ridley. So getting into the next options, the one

732
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: thing that is in the Patriots favor is your to

733
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,240
Speaker 1: your point about bringing up Higgins in AYUK. The twenty

734
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: twenty five wide receiver expiring contracts, I don't wan call

735
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: them free agents because none of them are getting to

736
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: free agency, but the twenty twenty five free agent class

737
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: a wide receiver on paper is absolutely stacked. From Jamar Chase, Justin, Jefferson,

738
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:21,160
Speaker 1: DeVante Smith, Brandon, Aiyuk, T Higgins, Jalen Wattle too. I

739
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:25,600
Speaker 1: don't I don't think he was. All those guys are up.

740
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: Deontay Johnson who got moved, was up. Jerry Judy, who

741
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:33,800
Speaker 1: got moved, was up. Uh. You know, it is absolutely loaded,

742
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,319
Speaker 1: much much better than this year's class. Now, no, none

743
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 1: of them, None of them are going to hit unrestricted

744
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 1: free agency. All of them are going to be re

745
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,799
Speaker 1: up by their teams, tagged by their teams, traded by

746
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:46,520
Speaker 1: their teams. We we know that. So the question is

747
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: which one of those guys is a viable trade candidate,

748
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, for the Patriots to target. You mentioned T Higgins,

749
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: So let's just play that out first. I am a

750
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 1: fan of T Higgins. I think that he's a really,

751
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 1: really good outside receiver for what he does. I probably

752
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: would prefer Iuke, but we can get into that in

753
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: a second. With T Higgins, your starting price is at

754
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: least the thirty fourth overall pick, so you're probably talking

755
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: about because you're not giving up three, right, so you're

756
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 1: probably talking about thirty four.

757
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 2: PFF estimated a late first or early second and a

758
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:19,919
Speaker 2: Day three pick.

759
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: That was the excavation FORFF to me, and this is

760
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: just my opinion. I would rather give up a higher

761
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: pick in twenty twenty five than give up another pick

762
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: in this year's draft. So if you give up for T. Higgins,

763
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: let's call it thirty four and a fourth next year,

764
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: a third next year, I'd rather kick that can down

765
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: the road because and keep all your assets this year

766
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: to make picks, I'd probably do.

767
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 2: It comes back to me, Evan, you know I love

768
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,239
Speaker 2: to play this game, and we both think this wide

769
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 2: receiver class is stacked. But is the wide receiver you're

770
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 2: getting a thirty four better player than T.

771
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: Higgins? So I would say no, and not because of

772
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: the proven commodity thing. I think it's more or no.

773
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: Because when I do these my mock drafts, my amateur

774
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 1: mock drafts, I look at a lot of these guys

775
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 1: on day two that could be possibilities at thirty four.

776
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: There are not a lot of true xes, like true

777
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: outside X, you know, Alpha and especially Coman. So I

778
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: don't like Keon Coleman's I mean that would be the

779
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 1: true ex at thirty four if you go there. The

780
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: other guys you know, tes Walker, you know, and then

781
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: later on, probably at the end of the top one hundred,

782
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:33,839
Speaker 1: Brandon Rice obviously from USC and all the other options.

783
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 1: The guys that from my list that I would prefer,

784
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: the lad mcconkey's, the Roman Wilson's, the Xavier Lagets, the

785
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 1: Ricky Piersoll's, the Washington kids, you know, you know McMillan,

786
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 1: even a Burton from Alabama who I think has a

787
00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: lot of talent. Uh, those guys. I would much rather

788
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 1: play those guys off the line, like Z receivers receive

789
00:37:57,000 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 1: their C slots off the line guys. Even a guy

790
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: like Piersol is probably a pure slot you know, I

791
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,320
Speaker 1: think he plays him Z. But all right, regardless, Yeah,

792
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: the point being, those guys are more flanker, inside, off

793
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,399
Speaker 1: the line type of receivers. They're not that six foot three,

794
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: six foot four x receiver. So T Higgins would be

795
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 1: number one on that list. We can continue with the

796
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 1: trade targets, but I think there's one free agent target

797
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 1: that we'll get to in a second as well, which

798
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: is Mike Williams. Like I think Mike Williams is if

799
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: T Higgins is such a the asking price is so

800
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: exorbitant that it's ridiculous. Then the pivot is Mike Williams.

801
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 1: Here's here's the thing with Mike.

802
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 2: If you're really not worried about being competitive in twenty

803
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 2: twenty four, But again, I think even if you're going

804
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,759
Speaker 2: into twenty twenty four saying the playoffs isn't the goal

805
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: this year. It's just get guys on the field, get

806
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 2: them developing. But like I said, I still think you

807
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 2: need that baseline in order for guys to develop properly.

808
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 2: Mike Williams makes a lot of sense, but your top

809
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,480
Speaker 2: two receivers are both coming off torn acls, and there's

810
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 2: inherent well.

811
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,359
Speaker 1: But I think that what makes the most Kendrick Bourne

812
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 1: being the other one, is the list of receivers that

813
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: I listed that I prefer over the Keon Coleman's and

814
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: the Tess Walkers. Those guys you can't expose them to

815
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: press coverage at high volumes. So what Mike Williams not

816
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 1: only does he fill a role is the ex receiver

817
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 1: to replace Devontae Parker, he also allows those other guys

818
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 1: to play in the right.

819
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: So that's a really good point that like a guy

820
00:39:29,080 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 2: like Tyler Boyd who they've been like to. I don't

821
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,680
Speaker 2: think it's the same caliber player. And I like Tyler Boyd,

822
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 2: but he's just like slightly worst Kobe Myers. Yeah, him

823
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 2: plus Jayalen McMillan for instance. Right, you can't really have

824
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:43,759
Speaker 2: both those guys on the field at the.

825
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,600
Speaker 1: Same time, especially not with Pop Douglass and Kendrick Bourne.

826
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,680
Speaker 1: You're just loading up on inside they need unless they

827
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: love Kean Coleman, or they love Johnny Wilson, or they

828
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: love they think they're gonna trade up and get Brian Thomas. Yeah,

829
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 1: you need to add an X because anybody else is

830
00:40:03,560 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: just going to bury the kids. And if the whole

831
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: plan is to play the kids correct, now, either you're

832
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 1: not doing that or you're burying the guy like somebody

833
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 1: who needs to play is not playing. That's why I

834
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: like Mike Williams for them. I know we're trying to

835
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 1: stick the trades, but for.

836
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 2: The time we're doing just kind of bridge wide receivers

837
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,959
Speaker 2: the category for the time being. Yeah, I think Mike

838
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 2: Williams on paper, and I understand health is the biggest

839
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: question mark, and I know he's twenty nine coming off

840
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 2: in ACL, but on paper, I think Mike Williams is

841
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 2: a better player than Devonte Parker, so you still yeah,

842
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:39,359
Speaker 2: you've still upgraded from Parker at that spot, and it

843
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 2: gives you a guy that can play on the back

844
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,920
Speaker 2: side of the formation at the X spot isolation routes

845
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 2: against pressman coverage, and you're not putting somebody out of

846
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 2: position by playing him out there. You're not drafting lad

847
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: McConkey and asking one hundred and eighty pound receiver to

848
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,319
Speaker 2: play the X right. And I think that that's what

849
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: the you know, that's why I in terms of fitting

850
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,759
Speaker 2: the puzzle together. You know, I always think of receivers

851
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 2: as like a basketball team. You have to have a

852
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: point guard, and you also have to have to have

853
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: to have a center. You have to have one through five.

854
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 1: Now, look at you suddenly invested in basketball centers. I

855
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: thought you hated that position. Well, you disrespected Luke Cornett.

856
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: But to start the season you oh, the Celtics have

857
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: no center depth. Then then the Green Cornet comes out

858
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: and is like, all right, here's your center game. I

859
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 1: want him going up and get you want him going

860
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes the game against Yokic. No, I want

861
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: to knowing ten minutes in like a spurt, so that

862
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have to play all whole. But that wasn't my

863
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: point anyway. This is not This is not Celtics catch

864
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 1: twenty two as much Celtics catch ten as much as

865
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: as much as I would be all for it. Uh. Anyways,

866
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: So I like Mike Williams, let's get to you know, Brandon,

867
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: I Brandon night Yuk to me is not quite in

868
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: the pipe dream justin Jefferson category. But I, for the

869
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: life of me, cannot figure out why the forty nine

870
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:01,080
Speaker 1: ers would trade Brandon night Yuk Brandon Ayyuk to me

871
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: besides McCaffrey, who's his own thing running back. Obviously, in

872
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: terms of receivers, Brandon and Ayuk is the best receiver

873
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: on the forty nine ers, So I just why would

874
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 1: you cast off Brandon Nyuk when Deebo is clearly I

875
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: think compromised, Like I love Debo, but he was always

876
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 1: gonna be a guy that was gonna have a little

877
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 1: bit of a shorter shelf life because of how much

878
00:42:25,800 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: he was going to touch the ball. Yeah, So Deebo,

879
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:32,080
Speaker 1: Samuel George Kittle, like those guys are starting to get

880
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,360
Speaker 1: some tread on the tires, like those guys are starting

881
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 1: to get older and they're starting to slow down a

882
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: little bit. Brandon Nyuk is a prime time route running technician,

883
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 1: great speed, great route running ability. He's a stud. And

884
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 1: so I just don't see why the forty nine ers

885
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 1: unless somebody bowls them over with like two first round picks.

886
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: Why are the forty nine ers trading brand? You just

887
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: hit on exactly why I'd rather have T. Higgins. I

888
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 1: don't want to pay the price for you. If the

889
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:02,240
Speaker 1: plan he's a I think Brandon Ayuk's a better player

890
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: than you're.

891
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,720
Speaker 2: I think if you're trading for Brandon Ayuk, the Niners

892
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 2: are going to ask about that twenty twenty five first,

893
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: and I'm not yeah, parting ways with that. Obviously they're

894
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 2: not asking for three. I can't imagine they'd ask for three.

895
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I might ask for it, but that's not

896
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 2: a realistic ask, right. I don't want to pay Ayuk

897
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 2: what it's I can I can. I can deal with T.

898
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: Higgins for thirty four like that, to me is a

899
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,799
Speaker 1: very doable trade. Ayuk. You're gonna get into future top

900
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: fifty picks, and you know, probably multiple picks this year

901
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: in the top one fifty, and it's just like it's

902
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: too much. It's too much because it is still for

903
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 1: all I said to start the show, it is still

904
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 1: draft and develop long term. Yeah, and you can't part

905
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: ways with those picks. So yeah, Ayuk is he's a

906
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,400
Speaker 1: really good player. He's probably like a top ten receiver

907
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: in the league at this point. I I just don't

908
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,799
Speaker 1: really see why the forty nine If I'm the forty

909
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 1: nine ers, I'm paying Brandon Ayuk and trading Debo honestly

910
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: like I are, or you know, figuring out a way

911
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 1: which again and people say, all right, so Patriots trade

912
00:44:01,920 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: for Devo.

913
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: I don't know what he does for you right exactly,

914
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 2: but everything we just laid out, you don't really need

915
00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,880
Speaker 2: a zero A slot you're trying to develop those guys.

916
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: He's taken a lot of hits, his career is going

917
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: to be on the show. He doesn't and he doesn't

918
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: want to be used in that running back role right

919
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,359
Speaker 1: seat maximizes his ability. So yeah, that's why I'm out

920
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 1: on Ayuk. I just.

921
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 2: Kind of like with with with with Calvin Rerilely, there's

922
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: as much as I'll say, yeah, you need to add

923
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: this you need to add that. You need to add this,

924
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 2: and need to add that. There needs to be a

925
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 2: ceiling on what you're willing to give up ultimately to

926
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 2: get that player. And I just don't think Ayuk is

927
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: going to justify what you're gonna give up to get him.

928
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 2: Maybe like three years from now, if the draft and

929
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 2: develop all hits and they're just one receiver away, then

930
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 2: you talk about a move like that right now, it

931
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: doesn't make sense to me.

932
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: All right, So we've covered Iu, covered t Higgins. Uh,

933
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 1: the other guys I think are about Mike william Mike Williams,

934
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: I still would probably again this is you know, if

935
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 1: you miss it, you're not making the T Higgins trade,

936
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,240
Speaker 1: and we're going down to a tier. We talked about

937
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: Mike Williams. I think the other guy to talk about

938
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: is Courtland Sutton. If the Broncos are still interested in

939
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: moving him, They've already moved Jerry Judy, so maybe that

940
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: takes him off the board. But there was a time

941
00:45:20,520 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: where both of them were readily available for anybody to

942
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: come and trade for him. Courtland Sutton again sort of

943
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:30,040
Speaker 1: in that Mike Williams mold, you know, big six foot

944
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: three six foot four perimeter receiver, play the X win

945
00:45:33,080 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 1: jump balls that YadA, YadA, YadA. I think that that's

946
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: that's a guy that's interesting. Uh. What I will tell

947
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: you is that I really have no interest in Keenan Allen.

948
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 1: Oh see, I like great career, I have good player.

949
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: I have some interest in Keenan Allen. Actually I do. Older.

950
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 1: I know he's always got those nagging like, oh, he's

951
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 1: got a hamstring this week, He's got to hit the

952
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 1: next week. He's not one of those guys that in

953
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: a couple years that's had this season ender wipe out

954
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: the whole year in jury.

955
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 2: He played thirteen games last year, ten the year before that.

956
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: You know my thing about the Chargers medical staff, right,

957
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,720
Speaker 2: we talked about Hunter Henry being injury prone.

958
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 1: He doesn't want to play in warm weather. And now

959
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: you're gonna bring him here on like a four win team,

960
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: and you think he's gonna play games in December. Here's

961
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: what I'd say, Oh, Miami, here's what going ia say

962
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: about ken Allen. Even if he regresses twenty percent, he's

963
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: still Last year, at age thirty two, thirty one caught

964
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: one hundred and eight passes for twelve hundred yards in

965
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: thirteen games. Yeah. No, he's a good player. He is still.

966
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 2: One of the most quarterback friendly receivers in the league.

967
00:46:37,160 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: I think for a young we saw what he did

968
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: for Herbert. I think for a young quarterback to have

969
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 2: a guy like Keenan Allen would be monumentally beneficial.

970
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 1: I wouldn't give him more than a year.

971
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,160
Speaker 2: I wouldn't do anything long term, but to be able

972
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:54,839
Speaker 2: to go to Drake may or Jane Daniel and say

973
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 2: this is a guy you can throw the ball to

974
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty times. To see he had one

975
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty targets last year in thirteen games seven.

976
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,400
Speaker 1: I would just be able to get that. I would rather,

977
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: I think could be very beneficial. I hear you. I

978
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: would just rather draft that skill set because I liked

979
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys that we've mentioned a right, right,

980
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: But those guys. The value here is he's playing in

981
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: the NFL. He's done it. There's no learning curve. He's

982
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: going to come and be a professional and basically be

983
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 1: a binki for the quarterback. Yeah, you're not. You're not

984
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: age getting that with a rookie. You're just not the

985
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: age and frankly, the toughness and the contract, I don't know. Look,

986
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 1: I get people, not one hundred and fifty targets in

987
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 1: thirteen games. You gotta be kind of tough. I'm not

988
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: talking about tough between the lines. This how many times

989
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: to his shoulder? Do you know what he's playing with

990
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: on his shoulder? Oh my god? Do you know how

991
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:49,200
Speaker 1: many times I've heard like you know? Well, So it's

992
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: Thursday and we're still trying to figure out if Keenan

993
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: Allen's going to be an he plays not really, I mean,

994
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: he played thirteen games last year, thirteen or seventeen.

995
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: If they're not trying to be competitive, all take thirteen

996
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 2: games at Keenan Allen working with the young quarterback.

997
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 1: I just I'm not saying it's the best answer.

998
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's the best Mike Williams for one

999
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,759
Speaker 2: year to get in the next year. Right, So you

1000
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 2: add Keenan Allen. Now you can go quarterback at three

1001
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 2: tackle with thirty four yep, and then next year we

1002
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,760
Speaker 2: become the Luther Burden fan club. And that he gets

1003
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:24,719
Speaker 2: you to that, and that really is I think all

1004
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 2: you're looking for in a signing like that. Again, they're

1005
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: not going to solve all three things long term this offseason.

1006
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 2: But if you can get a guy that can at

1007
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: least help with the development, I think that that's it's

1008
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:39,200
Speaker 2: beneficial to the long term, even if that player isn't

1009
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,319
Speaker 2: going to be here long term. That's where I'm kind

1010
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 2: of at with Keenan Allen not my top choice, but

1011
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 2: I if they added him, I would be like, all right,

1012
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 2: that's a solid move.

1013
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So the other options here. I mentioned Justin Jefferson

1014
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: briefly because.

1015
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,120
Speaker 2: If they signed Justin Jefferson happening yet, we're gonna have

1016
00:48:57,160 --> 00:48:58,240
Speaker 2: to do the show without the cameras.

1017
00:48:58,280 --> 00:49:00,440
Speaker 1: You're gonna be out of control. Now, it's just not happening.

1018
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: It's it's gonna be way too much to even have

1019
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: the Vikings pick up the fight. I was worried you

1020
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: were going to have your hopes up. No for this, Chad,

1021
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: you're living in reality. No chance, uh, Chris, Uh the

1022
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 1: other thing you don't. So hang on, let me just

1023
00:49:17,120 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: throw this out. Can I get Can I give them

1024
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: a little bit more of a of a pipe dream,

1025
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: but not a pipe no, because it's a it takes

1026
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: about Justin Jefferson. It's just just I don't even want

1027
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 1: to think about it.

1028
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 2: Through all of this, everything they've done, I have now

1029
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,319
Speaker 2: opened up more to the idea that they would trade down,

1030
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 2: because if you're really gonna start this thing from scratch

1031
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: with the draft and not build up a foundation in

1032
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 2: free agency, the more picks the better, and trading down

1033
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: obviously would help. That does three to eleven somehow get

1034
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: you Justin Jefferson.

1035
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: It might, but there's a lot I put a trade

1036
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 1: out there a couple of like a week or two ago,

1037
00:49:55,200 --> 00:49:58,240
Speaker 1: when this all these rumors started flying about Justin Jefferson.

1038
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: I think Colin Coward is the first one to put

1039
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: this out there and to because it's not three to

1040
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: eleven four Jefferson, the Vikings fans are erupted. Well, of

1041
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: course they're talking about them losing Justin Jefferson. Wait, when

1042
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 1: anybody even remotely suggests that the Vikings would have to

1043
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: give up more than just Justin Jefferson to move up

1044
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:21,560
Speaker 1: from eleven to three, that's you can blame the Niners,

1045
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:25,000
Speaker 1: but they should so the the baseline for that trade

1046
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: is two future first round picks and then another day

1047
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: two pick. Right, So to me, Justin Jefferson.

1048
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,080
Speaker 2: And let's just just about that. That's tangible. That's the

1049
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 2: Niners moving up from twelve to three. Yes, in twenty

1050
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 2: twenty one, they gave up obviously twelve and a first

1051
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,360
Speaker 2: after that, a first after that and a future third.

1052
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:47,200
Speaker 1: That's what that trade was. So what does Justin Jefferson

1053
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 1: cross out a first and third? I think Justin Jefferson

1054
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 1: Vikings fans. Yeah, and they're biased, but I had this discussion.

1055
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,919
Speaker 1: I don't blame them for not good player. I had

1056
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 1: this conversation with Paul and Fred on Tuesday, and they

1057
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: were on the Vikings fan side of things. I think

1058
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 1: I think that Justin Jefferson those you know, the Paul

1059
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: Fred side of the street. They think that Justin Jefferson's

1060
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: worth two first round picks. So basically, at the most,

1061
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: the Patriots would get eleven Justin Jefferson and a third

1062
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,399
Speaker 1: rounder this year or next year. Sorry say that again.

1063
00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 1: Eleven Yeah, Justin Jefferson and a Day two pick. No,

1064
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 1: it's not enough. See, I'm with you because I don't

1065
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: on top of the fact, because what would you rather

1066
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: have Justin Jefferson or two future first round picks from

1067
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: a team that, by the way, does not well, I

1068
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: guess they will have a quarterback. But like, well, the

1069
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: biggest I think the biggest thing that people underestimate is

1070
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: that you have to then turn around and make Justin

1071
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,880
Speaker 1: Jefferson the highest paid receiver in the history of football. Right.

1072
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: But so no, I'm just I'm not so worried about

1073
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 1: the money. I'm just saying from an organizational standard. But

1074
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: that's why you have to pay more, because to give

1075
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 1: them a contract.

1076
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 3: Right.

1077
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,640
Speaker 1: So when you look at Tyreek Hill in that trade

1078
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, the Dolphins were picking much

1079
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 1: lower than the Patriots. Their first round pick that year

1080
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: that they gave to the Kansas City Chiefs I think

1081
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 1: was the pick they used to take Trent McDuffie. It

1082
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: was like the twenty second. No, that was the Patriots

1083
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:21,239
Speaker 1: pick they used to take Trent mcdeffe Well, I mean

1084
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,600
Speaker 1: they traded up. Yeah, you know, they were in the

1085
00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:26,839
Speaker 1: twenties somewhere with that Dolphins pick. Yeah, I'll find it.

1086
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 1: So that's that's why they gave up, you know, that

1087
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,320
Speaker 1: first round pick and then like seventeen other picks for Tyre.

1088
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 2: It was twenty twenty two, first, twenty twenty two, second,

1089
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 2: two fourths in a future sixth.

1090
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 1: Right, so they gave up a boat for Hail, as

1091
00:52:42,640 --> 00:52:45,960
Speaker 1: they should have. Yeah, but their original starting point was

1092
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: much lower than the Patriots, right. So I think that

1093
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: that's maybe the only way that we can even broach

1094
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: the subject on Justin Jefferson. But I don't want to

1095
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: spend too much time on it because I really just

1096
00:52:57,800 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 1: don't see it happening. I think it's a pot. What

1097
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: would you rather have Justin Jefferson or two future first

1098
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: round picks from a met team? Two future first round

1099
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 1: picks just because I I love Justin?

1100
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 2: Just that trade three to eleven could still happen without

1101
00:53:12,360 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: Justin Jefferson getting traded, like, there's still certainly.

1102
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: And I hate that trade. Why because I think that

1103
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,520
Speaker 1: this team needs blue chip players and they traded all

1104
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,320
Speaker 1: the way down to eleven is yours. There's nine players

1105
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 1: on offense that are blue chip talents in this draft,

1106
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: and trading to eleven means you don't get one of them. Well,

1107
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,560
Speaker 1: Dallas Turner goes like, you get end up with Fashanu. Yeah,

1108
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 1: you could maybe end up with that would be though.

1109
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 2: You move down to eleven and you draft Ashana or

1110
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: fash Now I think, oh, fash Now right now.

1111
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: We gotta fash Now, Yeah, I gotta. It's gonna take

1112
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,439
Speaker 1: me a couple of weeks. It's all right. They look

1113
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 1: if they draft them, I'll get it for maybe. I mean,

1114
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,320
Speaker 1: I would consider fash Now a blue chipper.

1115
00:53:52,360 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 2: He's in that, he's in that look, he's one or

1116
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: two of the defensive players are gonna steak in like

1117
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: Atlanta now, assuming they don't trade back, and I think

1118
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 2: they're a trade back. Can Atlanta now with Kirk Cousins

1119
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 2: at where they at eighty, Like, that's a really logical

1120
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: spot for a guy like Dallas Turner to go.

1121
00:54:09,080 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: You know, they don't trade out of it.

1122
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 2: If they don't trade out of it, does Quinny and

1123
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 2: Mitchell after his really good combine sneak in or Jared

1124
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: Vers sneak in?

1125
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: There? Just one team?

1126
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 2: We know the Jets love drafting edge defenders when they

1127
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 2: don't need edge defenders right at ten? Or do the

1128
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 2: Giants not getting the quarterback? Apparently they only care about

1129
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 2: adding on defense. No, they want a quarterback though, but

1130
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 2: if quarterbacks go win two three?

1131
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: So I did want to. I think we hit on

1132
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: most of the receivers. There's one, there's one. Yeah, there

1133
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 1: was one more. Sorry I cut you off. There's one

1134
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: more pie in the sky receiver that I would call on.

1135
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: And I understand that this is probably gonna be a

1136
00:54:46,040 --> 00:54:49,479
Speaker 1: quick click from Howie Roseman, but I would at least

1137
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: make the call on Devonte Smith because Devontae Smith is

1138
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: going to be a twenty twenty five free agent. He

1139
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 1: needs a contract extension. Their payroll is one of the

1140
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 1: highest payrolls in the NFL. Now, Lorie futs it right

1141
00:55:01,960 --> 00:55:04,760
Speaker 1: like he I don't think he necessarily cares. But they're

1142
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 1: paying Jalen Hurts a bunch of money. They're playing AJ

1143
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: Brown a bunch of money. As it was this year,

1144
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,760
Speaker 1: they already started having to kind of move stuff around

1145
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 1: and wiggle out of the cap. Right, So are they

1146
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: going to pay Devonte Smith? Are they going to give

1147
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 1: Devonte Smith twenty five million dollars a year? I don't know, probably,

1148
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: but I would at least put in the call. I

1149
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 1: think both of us loved Devonte Smith.

1150
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, what if you put in

1151
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 2: the call and he says, no, we're not trained Davonte Smith,

1152
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: But what would you give us for a J.

1153
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,440
Speaker 1: Brown? Yeah? I would definitely take AJ Brown too. I

1154
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 1: just I think that resets of Philly's window a little

1155
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,959
Speaker 1: bit that I'm not sure they're willing to do. Maybe

1156
00:55:43,000 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: they are now that some of these they're guys that

1157
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: are retiring, you know, Jason Kelce, Fletcher Cox, maybe they are.

1158
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: But I would call the Eagles about their receivers. Let

1159
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:52,399
Speaker 1: me put you that way, because I didn't even think

1160
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:55,360
Speaker 1: of really of AJ Brown because of the contract. You know,

1161
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,759
Speaker 1: he's tied up there and everything. But sure, either one,

1162
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 1: either one I would call because the Philly is one

1163
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:02,840
Speaker 1: of those.

1164
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 2: If AJ Brown's unhappy and they know he's going to

1165
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:07,400
Speaker 2: be an issue, like you said, like they need the

1166
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 2: money to trade DeVante Smith if it's well, if A J.

1167
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 2: Brown's gonna blow up anyway, do we just move on

1168
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 2: from him and then the money we open up there.

1169
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 1: That just goes to right, because the Philly is one

1170
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,520
Speaker 1: of those teams that's so good in the draft that

1171
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: they could draft a replacement in this class for A J.

1172
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,399
Speaker 1: Brown pretty easily, right, And don't they'll make They'll make

1173
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson work well that No, they just also have

1174
00:56:26,680 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 1: the luxury too though of they could draft a receiver

1175
00:56:29,120 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 1: in the first round. They also have DeVante Parker. Now

1176
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,000
Speaker 1: they thought about drafting a receiver in the first round

1177
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: last year, that's true, So they could draft a receiver

1178
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:37,279
Speaker 1: in the first round this year because their roster is

1179
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 1: so good that they can kind of just pick whatever

1180
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 1: position they want to pick. So the Eagles are in

1181
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: an interesting situation with those two guys. I would at

1182
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: least call the have the conversation. I call everybody at

1183
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: this point, like, get creative, but is there anybody on

1184
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 1: the free agent market? And then I promise we'll get

1185
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: to these phone calls. Is there anybody on the free

1186
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: agent market still outside of Mike Williams, who we've already

1187
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 1: discussed that you have any interest in at receiver in

1188
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: general at receiver. I think we both have interested in tyrants.

1189
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean, well, I have one other free agent I like.

1190
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,359
Speaker 1: I've said this. I like Josh. I don't think Josh

1191
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 1: Reynolds signed. I like Josh Reynolds, I like Donovan.

1192
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 2: People's jones is like secondary options if they don't get

1193
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:18,919
Speaker 2: if they don't add somebody signing a guy like Josh

1194
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,920
Speaker 2: Reynolds is probably gonna get like an actual contract and

1195
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 2: go somewhere. Donovan Peoples Jones is an ex to have

1196
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 2: if your draft pick doesn't work out against you get

1197
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 2: to that baseline. Yeah, Like, I know that's not an

1198
00:57:29,880 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 2: exciting name, but if they could add one of those

1199
00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 2: two guys, just to add some if you're gonna give

1200
00:57:35,640 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 2: for what you're going to have to give, Tyler Boyd

1201
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,600
Speaker 2: at that point, just just signed Josh Reynolds or DPJ

1202
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 2: as a transitionary.

1203
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: I like DPJ because he brings some speed to the equation. Yeah,

1204
00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,439
Speaker 1: and he's obviously got the connection with Van Pelt. Yeah.

1205
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: So played in Cleveland Reynolds twenty five. Al Reynolds maybe

1206
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: not so much, just because of the redundancy with Kendrick Bourne.

1207
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: I feel like those two he's bigger though I don't

1208
00:57:57,840 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: think so. Maybe a little bit, but I feel like

1209
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: those two guys are pretty similar. I think Josh Reynolds

1210
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: has more X potential than Kendrick Bourne. Maybe six three

1211
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: one ninety four plays bigger than that. I don't know.

1212
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: I feel a little Kendrick Bourney there. All right, Look

1213
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: I see where you're coming from. I think there's I

1214
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 1: see where you're coming from. I would take Donov Peoples

1215
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:19,360
Speaker 1: Jones the other one Evan. You know I've been on

1216
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 1: this one and it goes against your hole. They're not

1217
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: trying to be competitive in twenty twenty four. Take but

1218
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 1: if we're going for development, I also think there's a

1219
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: massive development angle here. It's Steph Gilmore and clearly there's

1220
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: no market for him.

1221
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: Not no, but they're the corners don't have a huge mark.

1222
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 2: Nobody's paying the corner. Go here's the thing.

1223
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: They have all this cap space. There's corners available in

1224
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: free agencies still that can play.

1225
00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 2: They have, they have all this cap space they need

1226
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 2: to I know the whole thing about the cap floor

1227
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:49,840
Speaker 2: is a little wonky and it's not really real this year.

1228
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:51,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, they need to spend some of this money.

1229
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 2: And you don't want to get to a point where

1230
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 2: you need to spend it and all the good players

1231
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 2: are gone. Go give Steph Gilmore thirteen million dollars right

1232
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: PFF projects at ten I full guaranteed. Goge him thirteen

1233
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 2: million dollars. You can come in here. It's a system.

1234
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna play.

1235
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,880
Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna mentor Christian Zalz and the next year

1236
00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 2: you hit the market again and maybe get a little

1237
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 2: more money like, I still think it makes a ton,

1238
00:59:13,160 --> 00:59:15,200
Speaker 2: a ton a ton of sense. It makes more sense

1239
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,160
Speaker 2: now frankly than it did at the start of free

1240
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,440
Speaker 2: agency for them to go try to get Steph Gilmore

1241
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 2: back in the building. So that's the one I'm I

1242
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,680
Speaker 2: don't think it's going to happen, like if I wouldn't

1243
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: bet on it, but I still just for so many reasons,

1244
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: love the fit of Steph Gilmore coming back to the Patriots.

1245
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: We know they want a second poundree corner, like they're

1246
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,160
Speaker 2: talking to J. C. Jackson, and those two were kind

1247
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:37,360
Speaker 2: of different situations.

1248
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:40,040
Speaker 1: But I would so much rather Steph Gilmer.

1249
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 2: Obviously Jackson, but I would love to see him just

1250
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 2: one year, thirteen fifteen million dollars. Get jac Jackson in here,

1251
00:59:47,080 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 2: let him work with Christian Zolz, get Steph Gilmore in here,

1252
00:59:49,800 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 2: let him work with with Christian Zalz free. I think

1253
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,040
Speaker 2: that'd be an awesome I don't know how much it

1254
00:59:54,040 --> 00:59:56,040
Speaker 2: helps him in twenty four. But that's another one, like

1255
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:58,520
Speaker 2: I said with Keenan Allen, where I think there could

1256
00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 2: be long term implications from that signing, even if the

1257
01:00:01,360 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: players not here long.

1258
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay with that too. I think there's a

1259
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 1: couple of these corners out there that if you're still

1260
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: looking for there's a couple. Yeah, Fuller is kend I

1261
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: don't know which one it is. He's still out there.

1262
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: Steven Nelson still out there, So yeah, I would be

1263
01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 1: cool with dad. And you're certainly not thinking about taking

1264
01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 1: a corner early again after taking Gonzales last year. So yeah,

1265
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:26,800
Speaker 1: the corners I think are can still play. It's interesting.

1266
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: Uh And and then I know we got to get

1267
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: to some of these calls the've been on hole forever.

1268
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: The interesting thing about the corner market is that we've

1269
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:41,520
Speaker 1: we've pivoted like to pass rushers, edge rushers, interior guys.

1270
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: Those are the guys that are getting paid now. Well,

1271
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: there's no the no. I don't like Lugarious Sneed. I

1272
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 1: don't think has a huge market either. But I mean

1273
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,880
Speaker 1: he got franchise tagged. They're gone. That's okay. The college

1274
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: hung out. Yeah, yeah, he had him on Hull for

1275
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 1: like an hour. All right, call back even call back

1276
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,920
Speaker 1: eight five five pats, five hundreds the phone number you

1277
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 1: call on back and we'll get you on the air

1278
01:01:03,880 --> 01:01:05,040
Speaker 1: here in two seconds.

1279
01:01:05,080 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: One.

1280
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm telling you that the market has shifted to pass

1281
01:01:09,720 --> 01:01:13,760
Speaker 1: rush over coverage. Sometimes it's it's one of those ebbs

1282
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 1: and flows things, like it's one of those cyclical things.

1283
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: It'll come back around that all of a sudden, the

1284
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 1: the you know, the the corners will now start getting

1285
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,960
Speaker 1: paid again. Right now, teams are prioritizing pass rush. I

1286
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: think the main reason being is that you can't afford

1287
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: to take guys out of coverage anymore, because these quarterbacks

1288
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 1: are so darn good and these passing games are so

1289
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: darn good that if you start taking guys out of

1290
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,600
Speaker 1: coverage by blitzing, then you're leaving yourself really vulnerable. So

1291
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: now you need to have those one on one winners

1292
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:43,760
Speaker 1: in the pass rush. You need to have guys that

1293
01:01:43,840 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 1: can win one on ones and get after the quarterback

1294
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 1: with a four man rush. The interior defensive lineman, you know,

1295
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: the Chris Jones is the Christian Wilkins. That was crazy.

1296
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 1: That that market is just crazy. Yeah, it'st I mean,

1297
01:01:56,520 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: if I'm Christian Barmer, I'm sitting there with Nicole in

1298
01:01:59,320 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 1: just counting the the bills right like where are you?

1299
01:02:02,360 --> 01:02:06,960
Speaker 1: You know? The starting point is ninety ninety five million dollars.

1300
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:09,320
Speaker 1: I mean he's probably gonna get he's if i'm him,

1301
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 1: I'm starting with the Wilkins contract. He's not been as

1302
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,360
Speaker 1: good for as long as Wilkins. Yeah, so if he

1303
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: has another great year this year, then yes, But if

1304
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,840
Speaker 1: you're looking to get it done early, I think the

1305
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: starting point for a Christian Barmer is twenty million a year. Well,

1306
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: if it's drafts and developed, that's a guy they've drafted

1307
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,720
Speaker 1: and developed. So that's that's for sure. All right, let's

1308
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,600
Speaker 1: get Jericho here from Kansas on the line.

1309
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Speaker 5: What's up Jericho, guys, Guys touched on some of this

1310
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 5: stuff earlier. I think missing out on Ridley, does that

1311
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 5: mean that they're kind of out of the market now

1312
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 5: to draft either Drake or Jaden. I mean, like, should

1313
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 5: they just trade back now or they're gonna put all

1314
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 5: their eggs in the t Higgins basket and still try

1315
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 5: to get Drake in there.

1316
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a good question. Thanks for the call, Jeredo.

1317
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: Thanks for hanging on hold there for a while. That's

1318
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: the number one question we're getting right now in the

1319
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: inbox Alex on the emails as well. Is because it

1320
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: didn't necessarily go as planned in free agency with Ridley.

1321
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:15,960
Speaker 1: Are they now a trade down team? Stockpile assets, take

1322
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 1: the tackle, take the receiver, continue to you know, Bill

1323
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: build build.

1324
01:03:19,400 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's it definitely feels more realistic now

1325
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: than it did before. It definitely feels more in line

1326
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,400
Speaker 2: with their thinking than it did before. Here's the thing

1327
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,600
Speaker 2: with Ridley, You got to ask yourself. Were they going

1328
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 2: after Calvin Ridley because they loved the player and they

1329
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,240
Speaker 2: wanted to get a true number one receiver, like if

1330
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 2: they believed in him at that level. Were they going

1331
01:03:38,240 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: after Ridley because they loved the player and they wanted

1332
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,200
Speaker 2: to get a coverage dictating receiver in the building above

1333
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: all else. Or were they going after Calvin Ridley because

1334
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 2: they wanted Drake May or Jane Daniel stab somebody to

1335
01:03:46,840 --> 01:03:47,400
Speaker 2: throw the ball to.

1336
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 1: Because if it's the.

1337
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 2: Former, we're talking trade down, or maybe even Marvin Harrison.

1338
01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 2: If it's the latter, they're still going to go with

1339
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: the quarterback. It's just trading for t Higgins or somebody else.

1340
01:03:56,800 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 2: Are just saying like, hey, sorry, Drake, you're not really

1341
01:03:59,360 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: gonna have a number on wide receiver year one.

1342
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,360
Speaker 1: You'll be on the bench. Right We'll start to Kobe

1343
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,920
Speaker 1: I think that it definitely makes them a candidate though

1344
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:10,280
Speaker 1: to trade down now. But I also was warming up

1345
01:04:10,320 --> 01:04:12,000
Speaker 1: the trading down before, as you know, which I know

1346
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 1: you hate, but not as much now. The one thing

1347
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 1: that the trade that I've been kicking around in my

1348
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:21,200
Speaker 1: brain is with the Giants at six. The Giants want

1349
01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 1: to trade up for a quarterback. I think A Brier

1350
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:25,960
Speaker 1: reported that they've been trying to call teams in the

1351
01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:30,520
Speaker 1: top three top four Arizona Patriots commanders to see if

1352
01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: they will trade out and so that they can go

1353
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,240
Speaker 1: get one of those top three quarterbacks. So the Giants

1354
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: are aggressively looking for a QB in the draft and

1355
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,240
Speaker 1: would trade up for one. And by going from three

1356
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 1: to six, you probably get a future first round pick,

1357
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: maybe a Day two pick. This year, I think they

1358
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:46,720
Speaker 1: have like forty eight or something.

1359
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:50,160
Speaker 2: There is hang on this is a little dated, but

1360
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 2: there is a we use the Niners cop to go

1361
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,160
Speaker 2: from three to eleven, right, there is the three for

1362
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 2: six trade that actually happened with a quarterback on the board. Yeah,

1363
01:04:59,360 --> 01:05:02,120
Speaker 2: so it's twenty eighteen. I try not to go more

1364
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 2: than like five years back. So we're kind of on

1365
01:05:04,040 --> 01:05:07,880
Speaker 2: the line here. But in twenty eighteen, the Colts traded

1366
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,400
Speaker 2: number three to the Jets. This was the same Darnold

1367
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:17,280
Speaker 2: pick for six two seconds in a future second now

1368
01:05:17,360 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: the Giants.

1369
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: So they opted for volume instead of getting the future first.

1370
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,720
Speaker 1: They got an extra second in there right now, because

1371
01:05:25,720 --> 01:05:29,520
Speaker 1: the trade I was saying was six. I think the

1372
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: Giants this year have forty seven or forty eight in

1373
01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:35,000
Speaker 1: the second round and then their twenty twenty five first

1374
01:05:35,040 --> 01:05:35,760
Speaker 1: round pick.

1375
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:38,600
Speaker 2: Right, and the Giants don't have two seconds. So what

1376
01:05:38,720 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: facilitates that trade is the two seconds.

1377
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: Now. The way the draft board works, the current second

1378
01:05:44,840 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: is worth worth the future first. So you'd probably be.

1379
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 2: Looking at what second the Giants have forty seven? Yeah,

1380
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 2: so you're probably looking at six forty seven a future

1381
01:05:56,960 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 2: first in the future. So you're looking at one and

1382
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 2: two this year, in one and two next year from

1383
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:00,840
Speaker 2: the Giants.

1384
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna get that much. That's what

1385
01:06:04,080 --> 01:06:07,360
Speaker 1: the I think you're gonna get regardless like this, I

1386
01:06:07,600 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: don't think you're gonna get the future second out of them.

1387
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna get six forty seven and a

1388
01:06:13,160 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five first. I'd probably do that because the

1389
01:06:15,880 --> 01:06:17,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. First, as much as the Giants want

1390
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 1: to a lot of themselves and think they're going to

1391
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: be a playoff team with Drake May, they're probably gonna

1392
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,880
Speaker 1: be picking in a decent spot again next year. So

1393
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 1: you're really talking about maybe like a top fifteen pick,

1394
01:06:28,560 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: like somewhere in the ten to fifteen range, which is

1395
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:33,960
Speaker 1: a valuable pick. So I still think that that's the trade.

1396
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 1: The main reason is because I would be targeting Joe

1397
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 1: Alt with that pick, and I don't want to go

1398
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,600
Speaker 1: too far down that he's not important realistically, if you

1399
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 1: need to get back from six to five to make

1400
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 1: sure sure the Chargers don't take aft because they're kind

1401
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:49,280
Speaker 1: of in a weird spot where they need more picks.

1402
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,120
Speaker 1: I mean six to five, you're giving up like a fourth.

1403
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 1: I still think the Chargers take a receiver. I would

1404
01:06:55,800 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 1: say that the Cardinals. If I'm the Cardinals, I'm in

1405
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: really dead said that Kyler Murray's your guy, and you're

1406
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 1: sticking with Kyler Murray, then I probably trade out of

1407
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: four and I would take Martin Harrison ifrom the Cardinals,

1408
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 1: or you can take Marvin Harrison if I'm the Chargers.

1409
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,600
Speaker 1: At five, maybe they trade back a little bit. Maybe

1410
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:18,560
Speaker 1: they take a Malik Neighbors or a Romadoon Zay. Jim

1411
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:20,560
Speaker 1: Harbor is gonna want to build through the line of scrimmage.

1412
01:07:20,600 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: I get that. But the Chargers are one of those

1413
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:25,560
Speaker 1: teams that they always go for the flash, They always

1414
01:07:25,600 --> 01:07:28,560
Speaker 1: go for the receivers, they neglect the offensive line. They

1415
01:07:28,600 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 1: do it all the time. So if I'm the Patriots,

1416
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:32,720
Speaker 1: Joe Alt's the guy that I would if in a

1417
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:35,600
Speaker 1: trade down scenario that I would be targeting. So you

1418
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: don't want to go too far down. That's why I

1419
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: like three to six because, yeah, it still keeps you

1420
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: in that range to potentially select all So.

1421
01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 2: I totally forgot about this. There's another three to twelve

1422
01:07:44,440 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 2: trade that happened last year. Now it's a little different

1423
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 2: because the quarterback board wasn't set up the same way.

1424
01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,320
Speaker 1: Wasn't the three to twelve. It wasn't it for Will Anderson?

1425
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:54,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah, I mean it's not Anthony Richardson was

1426
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:57,920
Speaker 2: on the board. It's a little different. It was a

1427
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,640
Speaker 2: first and a fourth for first to set a future

1428
01:08:00,680 --> 01:08:01,680
Speaker 2: first and future third.

1429
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: That trade is too confusing for me.

1430
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna need a whiteboard, all right, you get back,

1431
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,280
Speaker 2: so from Minnesota, you'd get back there first, their second,

1432
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 2: next year's first, and next year's third.

1433
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:19,200
Speaker 1: Why do they have to complicate things so much? Uh? Okay,

1434
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:21,320
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's different because you're not trading

1435
01:08:21,360 --> 01:08:25,040
Speaker 1: up for the quarterback, right, that's the benefit of the Patriots,

1436
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:28,360
Speaker 1: whether it's a benefit or they end up trading you know,

1437
01:08:28,400 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback to the Giants, which won't feel good

1438
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,560
Speaker 1: in two years. Regardless, the reason why you're getting a

1439
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:36,519
Speaker 1: little bit more is because the team is trading up

1440
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 1: to take a quarterback, which is why last year Houston

1441
01:08:39,360 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: took Stroud first and then trade it up to take

1442
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 1: Will Anderson. So you just I don't know. Yeah, you'd

1443
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,080
Speaker 1: better believe. I did this last night on our old show,

1444
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 1: going through next year's quarterback board, and it's a well,

1445
01:08:51,080 --> 01:08:54,080
Speaker 1: you know, like Jayden Daniels wasn't right. But the way

1446
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 1: it generally works is there may be risers, but there's

1447
01:08:58,160 --> 01:09:02,320
Speaker 1: always more fallers than risers. You don't get risers every year. Okay,

1448
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: all right, we'll see, all right, you better hope when

1449
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: yours bolkes up. Jay is in Florida. What's up? Jay? Jay? Jake? Hello? Hello, Hey, Hello,

1450
01:09:14,520 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 1: are you how do you doing?

1451
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:16,519
Speaker 3: Hey?

1452
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 1: What you got good?

1453
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,800
Speaker 6: I want I want to see your opinion on this.

1454
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta turn you gotta turn us down. In

1455
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,080
Speaker 1: the background though, all right, hello, yeah, hey, Okay, you're

1456
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:29,240
Speaker 1: good now go ahead?

1457
01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 6: All right, So the Commander's signed Marcus Mariota I think

1458
01:09:34,040 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 6: like two days ago. So it looks like that's type

1459
01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:38,799
Speaker 6: of style QBS like Jade and Daniels type.

1460
01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:44,599
Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels go ahead, no, no, finish, go ahead,

1461
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: finish up.

1462
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 6: If Jade and Daniels goes to the commanders, I prefer

1463
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,040
Speaker 6: New England to take either Marvin Harrison or trade back

1464
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:56,480
Speaker 6: to stick with the Giant and maybe get a Doon'sday

1465
01:09:56,920 --> 01:09:58,760
Speaker 6: and Michael Pennock in the second round.

1466
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,680
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, thanks for the call.

1467
01:10:01,800 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 4: Jay.

1468
01:10:02,040 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: So the one thing, and I think this might have

1469
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: been where you're going. Yeah, last year, the Carolina Panthers

1470
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:13,800
Speaker 1: signed Andy Dalton as their backup quarterback and drafted Bryce Young.

1471
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:16,639
Speaker 2: Right, well, let's not base what the Panthers were doing

1472
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:17,920
Speaker 2: last year is like solid.

1473
01:10:18,240 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm just saying there was one other example too that

1474
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:21,519
Speaker 1: I can't think off at the top of my head

1475
01:10:21,600 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 1: right now, that well, It depends to you. I get

1476
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:26,519
Speaker 1: where you're going. Do you think Washington's smarter or not? Smart?

1477
01:10:26,520 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 1: Teams try to find backups that you know. I just wouldn't.

1478
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:33,599
Speaker 1: I think Marcus Marray is a really good backup quarterback

1479
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 1: in this league. I wouldn't look at it as Washington

1480
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,000
Speaker 1: tipping their hand on the quarterback. So I don't remember

1481
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 1: if we did this on the air. I did this.

1482
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 1: I wrote this pairing the free agent quarterbacks to potential trafficks.

1483
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 1: You know who my best.

1484
01:10:47,439 --> 01:10:49,719
Speaker 2: Fit was for Marcus Mariota is a bridge and backup

1485
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy. So if we're going by that logic, no

1486
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 2: they're not. I know they're not taking JJ McCarthy. But

1487
01:10:56,800 --> 01:11:00,559
Speaker 2: my point is like Mariota could probably back up may Day.

1488
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: He's close enough the ball that Yeah. I still think

1489
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 1: it comes down to as a tipping in the hand.

1490
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 2: And look, you know this, I've been on Jane Daniels

1491
01:11:09,400 --> 01:11:11,400
Speaker 2: going second overall for months now, and I still think

1492
01:11:11,439 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 2: it comes down to that's just who Cliff Kingsbury's gonna

1493
01:11:13,520 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 2: want between the two, That's what he's gonna prefer. I

1494
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 2: don't think signing Marcus Mariota changes that one way.

1495
01:11:19,920 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 1: Or the other to be fair though, just to play

1496
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:28,920
Speaker 1: Devil's advocate for a second, Drake May A U n

1497
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:35,480
Speaker 1: C played in Chip Lindsay's air raid offense that basically

1498
01:11:35,520 --> 01:11:39,640
Speaker 1: mimics what Cliff Kingsbury does. Like that it's all from

1499
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: the same family. So you think they're gonna start mark Sriota. No,

1500
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,240
Speaker 1: I'm saying Drake may isn't as bad of a fit

1501
01:11:46,280 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: in Cliff Kingsbury's offense. Like I'm with okay Ja. I

1502
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:51,760
Speaker 1: think Jaye and Daniels unlocks more of the playbook that

1503
01:11:51,800 --> 01:11:54,640
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury brings to the table with the mobility. But

1504
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 1: at the same time that you know that family of

1505
01:11:58,200 --> 01:12:00,559
Speaker 1: air raid coaches and I'm blanking on the see before

1506
01:12:00,640 --> 01:12:03,920
Speaker 1: Lindsay and uh u n C who was really like

1507
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: the father, like one of the fathers of the air

1508
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:09,080
Speaker 1: raid offense along with some of the other guys. I

1509
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:14,200
Speaker 1: can't remember his name, but he they they run an

1510
01:12:14,200 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: air raid system in North Carolina, is my point. So

1511
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: they run the same style of offense that Cliff Kingsbury does.

1512
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 1: So I'm not sold on any of these tea leaves,

1513
01:12:23,439 --> 01:12:25,800
Speaker 1: Like I just I think that we're all gonna just

1514
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,360
Speaker 1: have to sit and wait of who they draft. Phil Longo, Yeah,

1515
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:31,519
Speaker 1: Phil Longo. Okay, yeah, so Phil Longo.

1516
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,800
Speaker 2: I think I thought there was maybe another guy there

1517
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,200
Speaker 2: in Chip Lindsay took over for him last year.

1518
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: I think it was, yeah, because he went to he

1519
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,400
Speaker 1: went to i Wisconsin. Yeah, so they wanted to actually

1520
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 1: throw on them, obviously. The the the real architect of

1521
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: the air raid is is what's his name? Well, it's

1522
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:49,840
Speaker 1: Mike Leach.

1523
01:12:50,160 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 2: Mike Leach learned it from I'm blanket on the It's

1524
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:56,479
Speaker 2: not mouse Davis, it's the other guy anyway, the Hawaii coach.

1525
01:12:57,240 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 1: No, he was up there too, he was He's up

1526
01:13:00,280 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a whole rabbit hole. How Mummy. That's something.

1527
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,639
Speaker 2: It's how Mummy and Mouse Davis started the air raid

1528
01:13:07,720 --> 01:13:09,840
Speaker 2: and then Mike Leech learned from There's some awesome names

1529
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 2: when you get back.

1530
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,280
Speaker 1: But basically the general justice is that all of this

1531
01:13:13,880 --> 01:13:19,080
Speaker 1: from Drake may perspective. There. He played in the Cliff

1532
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 1: Kingsbury offense at North Carolina. Mouse Davis is the Hawaii

1533
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:26,879
Speaker 1: coach with Okay, all right, Anthony is in South Carolina.

1534
01:13:26,920 --> 01:13:31,559
Speaker 1: What's up, Anthony? Anthony?

1535
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 4: What's going on?

1536
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,120
Speaker 1: Fellas how doing a.

1537
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,600
Speaker 4: Couple of things, treeing down for number three. I'm terrified

1538
01:13:40,920 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 4: because next year's draft class doesn't look pretty good at quarterback. Now, Evan,

1539
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 4: where would you think it would be a three spot

1540
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,720
Speaker 4: to draft Johnny Wilson late in the draft because I

1541
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:55,519
Speaker 4: kind of like him in the red zone?

1542
01:13:56,600 --> 01:14:00,320
Speaker 1: Sure, Johnny Wilson's Uh, you're you're higher on Johnny Wilson

1543
01:14:00,360 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 1: than I am. I think I think Johnny Wilson's a

1544
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:05,000
Speaker 1: fourth round pick. I think he tested well enough that

1545
01:14:05,080 --> 01:14:06,680
Speaker 1: he's probably going to be a fourth round guy. I

1546
01:14:06,720 --> 01:14:08,320
Speaker 1: think he'll steak in the top one hundred. I think

1547
01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 1: some team will talk themselves into him just because of

1548
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:13,840
Speaker 1: the size, athleticism. He's just so unique. It's gonna be

1549
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: tough to project. It's gonna take a real plan back catch.

1550
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,559
Speaker 1: I think that that's that's not a good thing for

1551
01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:22,080
Speaker 1: a receiver, and it hasn't stopped teams from drafting guys before.

1552
01:14:22,160 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 1: There's somebody on on Twitter that was on my case

1553
01:14:25,240 --> 01:14:26,840
Speaker 1: like a couple of days ago. Normally I don't I

1554
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:28,479
Speaker 1: try not to care about this kind of stuff, but

1555
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,639
Speaker 1: I had said that, oh he was talking about Roman Wilson.

1556
01:14:31,720 --> 01:14:34,040
Speaker 1: How Roman Wilson is overrated. All he does is get

1557
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:37,600
Speaker 1: open and catch the ball. Yeah, it's tough, man. He

1558
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:39,320
Speaker 1: was like, he does nothing after the catches. Like, I

1559
01:14:39,320 --> 01:14:42,720
Speaker 1: get what you're saying, But the primary goal for the

1560
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:44,479
Speaker 1: receiver is to get open and catch the ball.

1561
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 2: And it's not like he's getting open two yards down

1562
01:14:46,360 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 2: the field, right, he's if you're past the sticks and

1563
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:50,679
Speaker 2: you're open, you can you can make that work.

1564
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:52,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if Johnny Wilson gets open and catches

1565
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:53,920
Speaker 1: the ball. Johnny Wilson.

1566
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: But here's the thing with Johnny Wilson, he's like a

1567
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:58,200
Speaker 2: raw does He's just an athlete that you're trying to

1568
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,880
Speaker 2: figure out. You're not asking Johnny will to get open,

1569
01:15:00,920 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 2: because Johnny Wilson always is open because he's you.

1570
01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,000
Speaker 1: Literally just said he can't catch. Well, you work on that,

1571
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:08,200
Speaker 1: You work on that.

1572
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,519
Speaker 2: I mean, look, teams have worked on guys hands before,

1573
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 2: Like that's not new. And here's the thing. He's really

1574
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:16,360
Speaker 2: good at contested catches. He just can't catch it when

1575
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:18,880
Speaker 2: there's nobody near him. Oh okay, but like you said,

1576
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:20,560
Speaker 2: that makes me feel better. Well, you just said he

1577
01:15:20,600 --> 01:15:22,720
Speaker 2: doesn't get open, So how often is that gonna come up.

1578
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 2: Johnny Wilson is six seven with the thirty seven inch vertical.

1579
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,320
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson, no doubt that he has. Athletically, he's open.

1580
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson is open.

1581
01:15:32,479 --> 01:15:34,400
Speaker 2: The corner can be there. Johnny Wilson is open if

1582
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:36,040
Speaker 2: you put the ball in the right spot. And I

1583
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: think that's kind of the plan for Johnny Wilson.

1584
01:15:38,479 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: All right, Uh, Walter is in Cambridge. What's up, Walter?

1585
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:46,320
Speaker 3: Yeah? What's going on? Guys? Is? My thing is like

1586
01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 3: you guys keep talking about trading back. Right. It's like,

1587
01:15:49,200 --> 01:15:51,559
Speaker 3: I mean, this year they takes you, so hopefully they

1588
01:15:51,600 --> 01:15:54,280
Speaker 3: get Mike Wams and then they they figure it out

1589
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,720
Speaker 3: that offensive tackle. But you keep talking about trading back,

1590
01:15:56,720 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 3: and Braff, you keep bringing up pointing you is the

1591
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 3: next year's draft a little bit better?

1592
01:16:01,720 --> 01:16:02,360
Speaker 1: Mac Jones.

1593
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,679
Speaker 3: He's with an all star team and all that. Shadulla

1594
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 3: is the best quarterback coming out of next year's draft.

1595
01:16:07,960 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 3: I think if Shadull is in this draft, he'd beat.

1596
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: In the top fourn't agree. I don't agree that we'll

1597
01:16:12,520 --> 01:16:14,120
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. Are the Patriots gonna be the

1598
01:16:14,160 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 1: worst team in football next year?

1599
01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:18,560
Speaker 3: They might be because what they doing now what have

1600
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 3: they've done for their often.

1601
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,559
Speaker 2: I just just with they're not getting their defense is

1602
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 2: too good to let them get. You're right, Sanders better prospect.

1603
01:16:26,479 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 2: I just think with their defense, they're not going to

1604
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:29,439
Speaker 2: be that high for having.

1605
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:31,240
Speaker 3: Jayden Daniels this year. So I don't I don't, I

1606
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 3: mean one lost way. I don't understand. How do you

1607
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 3: think I with them letting they got a bank on

1608
01:16:38,040 --> 01:16:41,360
Speaker 3: the on the draft were receives. We don't know if

1609
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:43,000
Speaker 3: these guys are gonna come right in and be stud

1610
01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:46,080
Speaker 3: It's just just like to me, they messed up by

1611
01:16:46,120 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 3: not getting Really.

1612
01:16:49,840 --> 01:16:52,960
Speaker 1: That that's fair, Walter, and thanks for the call. Just

1613
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 1: to be clear, on this show, we talk about all

1614
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:59,879
Speaker 1: the scenarios, right so I'm not sitting here necessarily advocating

1615
01:16:59,880 --> 01:17:02,320
Speaker 1: for trading down. I don't think Alex definitely is not

1616
01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: sitting here advocating for trading down. But it is a

1617
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:06,120
Speaker 1: scenario that we.

1618
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 2: It's a realistic we were going to talk about break

1619
01:17:08,360 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 2: down all the realistics out of Evan. You want to trade

1620
01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 2: up to one for Caleb Williams.

1621
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,920
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. We can say we discussed it, but right

1622
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: like that's that's I understand. I just don't Walter, don't

1623
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,160
Speaker 1: get too fired up about us talking about trading down.

1624
01:17:20,439 --> 01:17:22,280
Speaker 1: We had a lot of questions on the emails today

1625
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,120
Speaker 1: about trading down. Somebody called us as it's what.

1626
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 2: People want to talk to, right, And Yeah, is a

1627
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:30,080
Speaker 2: better prospect than Quinn yours. He probably would be QB

1628
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:33,240
Speaker 2: four in this draft. I don't know you have McCarthy

1629
01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:36,280
Speaker 2: out of him. I probably haven't as QB before. But

1630
01:17:36,360 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 2: the problem is.

1631
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,519
Speaker 1: For him, I don't think he'd go forth overall. He's

1632
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:43,120
Speaker 1: obviously super talented, but but that that team just fell

1633
01:17:43,160 --> 01:17:45,639
Speaker 1: apart to the point where it's hard to evaluate him.

1634
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,400
Speaker 1: His offensive line was totally overmatched. Like it just it's

1635
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,240
Speaker 1: a tough evaluation off of this film. Like maybe next year.

1636
01:17:52,400 --> 01:17:54,040
Speaker 1: It's going to be interesting to watch him this year.

1637
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,560
Speaker 2: I I do think ultimately he'll end up higher in

1638
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 2: the eyes of evaluators than yours. The guy I really

1639
01:18:00,680 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 2: is gonna be interesting as cam Ward from Miami, who

1640
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,200
Speaker 2: was very briefly in this draft class.

1641
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 1: Also, I think that Georgia quarterback can play, so Carson Beck,

1642
01:18:09,520 --> 01:18:10,240
Speaker 1: I think you can play.

1643
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,640
Speaker 2: Honestly, we should have this conversation at this point. I

1644
01:18:12,720 --> 01:18:14,400
Speaker 2: know you're probably rolling your eyes that we're getting into this,

1645
01:18:14,439 --> 01:18:15,960
Speaker 2: but just very briefly, because if.

1646
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 1: You're talking, I also think this too.

1647
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 2: People said, yeah, take Marvin Harrison third and you know,

1648
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:22,639
Speaker 2: get Michael Pennix in the second, or take Joe Allt

1649
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:23,960
Speaker 2: and get Michael Penix in the second.

1650
01:18:24,080 --> 01:18:24,240
Speaker 1: One.

1651
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 2: I don't think Michael penixs' is getting the second, But

1652
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:29,840
Speaker 2: that aside, I kind of think I've developed this philosophy

1653
01:18:29,840 --> 01:18:32,960
Speaker 2: this year with quarterbacks. If you don't have like if

1654
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 2: you have Brady, or you have Rogers, or you have

1655
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:37,839
Speaker 2: like an established guy and you you know they're towards

1656
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,960
Speaker 2: the end and you want to do a Jordan love thing,

1657
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,000
Speaker 2: fine take them in the second or third round. If

1658
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,680
Speaker 2: you don't have a quarterback, either take them first or

1659
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 2: take them last. Either go out and get the guy

1660
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,240
Speaker 2: or build up the rest of your roster. Don't waste

1661
01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 2: premium picks on guys that odds are aren't going to

1662
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 2: pan out. Yeah, and then if you want to take

1663
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:59,400
Speaker 2: a flyer outside the top two hundred, you know, have

1664
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:03,320
Speaker 2: at it, Jay Bean, you know, go for it. Kansas'

1665
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:06,240
Speaker 2: backup quarterback who's also sort of their starter. Kansas football

1666
01:19:06,280 --> 01:19:09,559
Speaker 2: is weird, but yeah, I so, I do think it's

1667
01:19:09,600 --> 01:19:12,040
Speaker 2: fair if you're Joe Milton to have this conversation it is,

1668
01:19:12,200 --> 01:19:13,240
Speaker 2: we just did it.

1669
01:19:13,400 --> 01:19:16,040
Speaker 1: Well, Joe Milton's going to go higher. And I but

1670
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: like I would take Joe Milton like in your scenario,

1671
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:21,479
Speaker 1: you might have take him in the fourth. Oh god,

1672
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: I don't you didn't really team Some team is going

1673
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 1: to talk themselves into that combine in his arm. So wait,

1674
01:19:27,160 --> 01:19:29,120
Speaker 1: hang on. So here's my point on here's my point

1675
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: on Carson Beck. Carson Beck.

1676
01:19:31,680 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 2: You said this to me about a quarterback a couple

1677
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:34,519
Speaker 2: years ago, and it was a funny take, and it

1678
01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:36,320
Speaker 2: blew my mind. I don't remember who the quarterback was

1679
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:40,120
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago. Yeah, Carson Beck is the first overall

1680
01:19:40,160 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 2: pick because he's going to stand in the pocket and

1681
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 2: deliver the ball.

1682
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 1: At a big time school that's gonna win an ass.

1683
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,080
Speaker 2: Right, and he's got good size and all that. Carson

1684
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 2: Beck can't move around a ton like. He would be

1685
01:19:51,560 --> 01:19:55,400
Speaker 2: the least mobile quarterback in this class of the major guys,

1686
01:19:55,479 --> 01:19:58,360
Speaker 2: like by a lot so for And that's not say

1687
01:19:58,400 --> 01:19:59,559
Speaker 2: Carson Beck's a bad prospect.

1688
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: I grow on me over the course last season. I

1689
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:06,000
Speaker 1: think he'd probably be in that Michael Pennock's Bo Nicks

1690
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:08,760
Speaker 1: tier that like date or late date one, early day

1691
01:20:08,800 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 1: two tier. But for Carson Beck to be a legitimate

1692
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:16,160
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback prospect, he has to reach and he can

1693
01:20:16,200 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 1: still get there. He has another year, I think, going

1694
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,519
Speaker 1: back to School's right decision, he has to hit another

1695
01:20:21,160 --> 01:20:24,799
Speaker 1: level of accuracy. He has to be you know, essentially

1696
01:20:24,840 --> 01:20:28,360
Speaker 1: Michael Pye, big guy, good arm, talent, good timing in

1697
01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,639
Speaker 1: the passing game, right, Like, look, you watch a lot

1698
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,280
Speaker 1: of Lab McConkie, Amarus Mims their tackle and you see

1699
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 1: some cars a ton of Carson back. He can He's

1700
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: a he's a quarterback, like he can play the position.

1701
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying that he's not the most appurt, But.

1702
01:20:43,439 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: To make him that kind of investment, I think he's

1703
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:47,839
Speaker 2: got to come out ready to be a surgeon.

1704
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:50,400
Speaker 1: In terms of like precision.

1705
01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:50,519
Speaker 4: I do.

1706
01:20:50,960 --> 01:20:53,160
Speaker 1: I do like his timing and his anticipation in the

1707
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:55,759
Speaker 1: passing game, But some of that stems from the fact

1708
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: that these Georgia receivers are really good and get open.

1709
01:20:58,120 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 1: So you know how much of that is the mac

1710
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm thing of, Like you know, when you're throwing to

1711
01:21:02,439 --> 01:21:04,720
Speaker 1: Lad McConkie and a bunch of other good players. You know,

1712
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 1: there's a lot of space to throw the ball to.

1713
01:21:06,160 --> 01:21:08,800
Speaker 1: It's easy to throw an anticipatory, you know, layered throw

1714
01:21:08,840 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 1: over the middle when there's all this space, So that

1715
01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:11,680
Speaker 1: that's part of it.

1716
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:14,280
Speaker 2: Could Carson Beck be a first round pick? Absolutely he could,

1717
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:15,720
Speaker 2: but he's gonna have to earn that this year. I

1718
01:21:15,720 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 2: don't think he's there quite yet.

1719
01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 1: Okay, Marty is in Phoenix. What's up, Marty? Hi? So

1720
01:21:22,360 --> 01:21:25,680
Speaker 1: my question revolved around Drake may Well, you can hear that.

1721
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 1: Go You're good, Go ahead. So I'm convinced that we're gonna.

1722
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:36,240
Speaker 3: Take him at three, and I'm also convinced that he

1723
01:21:36,360 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 3: is very raw.

1724
01:21:38,439 --> 01:21:42,400
Speaker 1: I guess my thought is like if Andy Reid benches.

1725
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 3: Patrick Mahomes for his first year, to try to pick

1726
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 3: to him, because like, may had some bad habits where he.

1727
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:50,599
Speaker 4: Drifts and he.

1728
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: You know, he's in that precise and just he's got

1729
01:21:57,400 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 1: some work with his footwork as well, and so I'm

1730
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,799
Speaker 1: just thinking, like, why is there a resistance to sitting

1731
01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:07,200
Speaker 1: him for a year and then having come out in

1732
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:11,360
Speaker 1: a second year, hopefully like Jordan Love and really be

1733
01:22:11,479 --> 01:22:14,640
Speaker 1: ready to go. Yeah, yeah, I hear you, Marty, and

1734
01:22:14,680 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 1: you you watch the film, because that's that's a lot

1735
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 1: of accurate things about his flaws. I think the biggest

1736
01:22:20,400 --> 01:22:25,599
Speaker 1: thing the resistance from my perspective isn't so much that

1737
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:30,479
Speaker 1: I am anti sitting the quarterback. It's more I'm anti

1738
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:33,280
Speaker 1: deciding in March that we're gonna sit the quarterback. What

1739
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 1: happens if Drake May gets to camp in July and

1740
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,639
Speaker 1: he's tearing it up, You're still gonna sit there. Well,

1741
01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: but what happens if he gets to camp in July

1742
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:42,080
Speaker 1: he's tearing it up and then all of a sudden,

1743
01:22:42,720 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 1: game actions too big for him because it's it's right,

1744
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:47,040
Speaker 1: Maybe bench?

1745
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:50,679
Speaker 2: Are you gonna bench the third overall pick? Because suddenly

1746
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 2: here we go again with the nonsense with the quarterback

1747
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,760
Speaker 2: position and playing with these guys and all that. I

1748
01:22:58,560 --> 01:23:01,400
Speaker 2: I think if you take a guy through overall, you

1749
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,639
Speaker 2: should have a level of belief that he's ready year one.

1750
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:07,880
Speaker 2: Now you can believe that and believe the roster isn't ready.

1751
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,559
Speaker 2: That's something I'm considering more now that I hadn't.

1752
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:14,639
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't rule out the fact that he could

1753
01:23:14,640 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: play year one, Like I'm not I don't want to

1754
01:23:16,479 --> 01:23:19,360
Speaker 1: set it like I feel like this. We're doing this

1755
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: to have a take on it, because you want to

1756
01:23:21,560 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 1: have a hot take that Drake may needs to sit

1757
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:26,240
Speaker 1: two years, or Drake maybe if he's sitting two years,

1758
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,439
Speaker 1: he's the wrong pick. I'm just saying to say that, right,

1759
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:31,160
Speaker 1: that's what people are saying. You have to Jordan love him,

1760
01:23:31,280 --> 01:23:34,960
Speaker 1: you have to Patrick Mahomes and what happens. Let's take

1761
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 1: to the Houston Texans for instance. All right, everybody all of

1762
01:23:38,400 --> 01:23:40,840
Speaker 1: a sudden thinks that Nico Collins is this like heck

1763
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:44,280
Speaker 1: of this versus who is Nico Collins? Before said this,

1764
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:47,519
Speaker 1: the Texans roster is overrated. Stroud did a ton for them.

1765
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:50,679
Speaker 1: It overrated maybe is the wrong word. But the point

1766
01:23:50,760 --> 01:23:53,599
Speaker 1: is is that the quarterback made the receivers. Yeah, Tank

1767
01:23:53,680 --> 01:23:56,120
Speaker 1: Dell's a really good player. I think Tank Dell would

1768
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 1: have been a solid draft pick pretty much anywhere. But

1769
01:23:59,400 --> 01:24:01,280
Speaker 1: he would have been Josh Downs. He would have been

1770
01:24:01,560 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: maybe a Pop Douglas. Right, he goes to he goes

1771
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 1: to Houston, and all of a sudden, he's a thousand

1772
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,840
Speaker 1: yard receiver because he's getting a dude is throwing him

1773
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:12,040
Speaker 1: the ball that could happen for any team. If you

1774
01:24:12,120 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 1: draft Drake May and you draft a receiver on day two,

1775
01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:17,120
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, that receiver on day two and

1776
01:24:17,200 --> 01:24:19,960
Speaker 1: Drake May grow together and I'll you know, you hit

1777
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,880
Speaker 1: the ground running. I'm not saying that that's one hundred

1778
01:24:21,880 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: percent going to happen. I just don't make that decision

1779
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:26,479
Speaker 1: in March that it couldn't happen. Don't make the decision

1780
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:26,880
Speaker 1: in March.

1781
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:33,200
Speaker 2: But if he comes out, if you're worried about his readiness,

1782
01:24:33,640 --> 01:24:35,720
Speaker 2: and he comes out and kills it in camp, but

1783
01:24:35,760 --> 01:24:38,160
Speaker 2: there's even there's some inkling that like, well, what's it

1784
01:24:38,200 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 2: going to be like when you know it's it's live,

1785
01:24:40,280 --> 01:24:40,720
Speaker 2: it's real.

1786
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:44,040
Speaker 1: You're not gonna know till you find out. But you

1787
01:24:44,040 --> 01:24:46,880
Speaker 1: you can't. You cannot draft him third overall and bench him.

1788
01:24:46,960 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: You can't. You cannot for everything that just you really

1789
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,160
Speaker 1: have that many reservations about it, then sure you start

1790
01:24:52,240 --> 01:24:54,559
Speaker 1: to sit him and starts to hear for a month

1791
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:54,920
Speaker 1: or two.

1792
01:24:55,080 --> 01:24:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're sitting him because you want him to

1793
01:24:57,120 --> 01:25:00,800
Speaker 2: have a month or two, that's fine. If you're sitting

1794
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 2: in because the roster isn't ready and Jacoby Meyer's out

1795
01:25:03,800 --> 01:25:04,679
Speaker 2: there taking a beating.

1796
01:25:06,680 --> 01:25:09,360
Speaker 1: Jeez me with the names and Jacoby Brissett's out there

1797
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:09,960
Speaker 1: taking a beating.

1798
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 2: I don't know why I just did that. You can't

1799
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 2: suddenly be like, well, Brissett's banged up. We wanted to

1800
01:25:16,280 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 2: sit the kiddies not ready, but now we have to

1801
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:19,559
Speaker 2: put him in. There's all this public pressure. We have

1802
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:20,040
Speaker 2: to put him in.

1803
01:25:20,280 --> 01:25:22,920
Speaker 1: You just, whatever your decision is, you have to commit

1804
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:25,600
Speaker 1: to it. No more wishy washing on the quarterbacks, no

1805
01:25:25,760 --> 01:25:28,960
Speaker 1: more pulling mac chonel's on the first Monday night football base.

1806
01:25:29,840 --> 01:25:32,519
Speaker 1: Just don't marry yourself to something just for the sake

1807
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: of the take. That's all I'm saying. Well, I feel

1808
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:43,320
Speaker 1: like so many people in media are just convinced that

1809
01:25:43,360 --> 01:25:45,880
Speaker 1: there's just no way that Drake May could play as

1810
01:25:45,880 --> 01:25:48,720
Speaker 1: a rookie. There's no possible way he could play as

1811
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 1: a rookie before he's even stepped foot on an NFL.

1812
01:25:52,040 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 1: Just prospect fatigue, that's all that is. I'm just saying,

1813
01:25:54,479 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 1: it's crazy.

1814
01:25:55,120 --> 01:25:56,920
Speaker 2: No, it is crazy. I'm with you, it is crazy.

1815
01:25:56,920 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 2: I think there's too much of it. But that's from

1816
01:25:58,520 --> 01:25:59,320
Speaker 2: a fan point of view.

1817
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm telling you. Aus Stroud's first, I think first throw

1818
01:26:03,200 --> 01:26:05,599
Speaker 1: of the preseason in his career was an interception right

1819
01:26:05,640 --> 01:26:09,439
Speaker 1: to Jalen Mills. Yeh here so first his first drive definitely? Yeah,

1820
01:26:09,640 --> 01:26:12,479
Speaker 1: maybe it was very early throw. Yeah, how did that

1821
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 1: turn out?

1822
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 7: Like?

1823
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:18,960
Speaker 1: Just don't be so, I guess close mind that, you

1824
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: know that's a fair take. I'm just saying there's a

1825
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:22,760
Speaker 1: way the team needs to view it too, all right,

1826
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:26,000
Speaker 1: Joey is in Florence, Italy. This is on my bucket list,

1827
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: Joey of like places I would love to travel to

1828
01:26:29,160 --> 01:26:29,919
Speaker 1: in my lifetime.

1829
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:33,719
Speaker 7: What's up and it's going guys now, it's pretty sweet

1830
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:36,000
Speaker 7: right now, studying abroad North Italy right now.

1831
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 1: So that's awesome. Head.

1832
01:26:37,800 --> 01:26:42,120
Speaker 7: But I just wanted to call about the Patriots and

1833
01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:44,880
Speaker 7: Elliott Wolf's game plan for attacking the draft, and I

1834
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,559
Speaker 7: should say free agency as it goes on, you know,

1835
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,000
Speaker 7: I think that you guys can give me your opinion

1836
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 7: on it. But I'm just thinking we have another true

1837
01:26:53,360 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 7: number one receiver since I would say twenty eighteen, twenty seventeen,

1838
01:26:58,760 --> 01:27:01,400
Speaker 7: I'd consider jacobd My personally in number two, and I

1839
01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 7: think Marvin Harrison sitting there at number three is just

1840
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 7: I think an automatic pick for us.

1841
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:07,559
Speaker 3: I don't.

1842
01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 7: I'm not in favor of trading down accumulating picks because

1843
01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,080
Speaker 7: it does I'm getting a feeling, unfortunately that Elliot Wolf's

1844
01:27:15,080 --> 01:27:18,639
Speaker 7: gonna want to build up and really rebuild this team

1845
01:27:18,680 --> 01:27:22,559
Speaker 7: through the draft. But you know, I'm I'm leaning towards

1846
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:25,479
Speaker 7: the idea of, you know, Justin Field is sitting there,

1847
01:27:26,040 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 7: why not go give him a mid round pick. You'll

1848
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,800
Speaker 7: get just In Field because you know, Jacobe Brissett, in

1849
01:27:30,800 --> 01:27:35,400
Speaker 7: my opinion, probably number thirty one, thirty two best quarterback

1850
01:27:35,439 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 7: in the league right now. I mean, he's just not

1851
01:27:37,439 --> 01:27:38,320
Speaker 7: going to be sufficient.

1852
01:27:39,040 --> 01:27:40,320
Speaker 3: And you know what we've.

1853
01:27:40,160 --> 01:27:44,320
Speaker 7: Seen from Mac Jones decline in the past three years.

1854
01:27:44,360 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 7: It's been a lack of separation and receivers, lack of

1855
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,720
Speaker 7: offensive game plan. It's going to be a whole new

1856
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,560
Speaker 7: coaching system. I think rather trading for a guy like

1857
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 7: Field who can bob bump in there number one, or

1858
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:59,000
Speaker 7: he'll even go later in the second round, later first round,

1859
01:27:59,000 --> 01:28:02,839
Speaker 7: and get a guy a Sea's in college talent like Bowneck,

1860
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,200
Speaker 7: Michael Pennix that have. You know, it's not NFL experience,

1861
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,839
Speaker 7: but it's at least season to where you're Jayden Daniels

1862
01:28:09,840 --> 01:28:12,240
Speaker 7: twenty two years old, who started I think two or three.

1863
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 7: I did two seasons he started so far. So that's

1864
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:19,479
Speaker 7: just my little point. I think addressing the wide receiver

1865
01:28:19,640 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 7: point in the offense is essential right now and not

1866
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:27,000
Speaker 7: necessarily prioritizing a top QB with the number three pick.

1867
01:28:27,160 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 7: I just want to hear you guys opinion.

1868
01:28:28,360 --> 01:28:30,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for the call. Good call. Joey did your

1869
01:28:30,800 --> 01:28:32,840
Speaker 1: homework there on the good calls today, a couple of

1870
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 1: people did their homework. I think the biggest thing with

1871
01:28:35,880 --> 01:28:37,600
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison Junior, and I read about this in the

1872
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:43,880
Speaker 1: mail bag today. It goes against every old football trope

1873
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: of how to build a roster to take a receiver first.

1874
01:28:46,920 --> 01:28:51,480
Speaker 1: So Bill Walsh wrote this in the eighties. So it's

1875
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,920
Speaker 1: not just my take weird to kiss people off now

1876
01:28:53,960 --> 01:28:55,840
Speaker 1: because you can be as forty years ago, what are

1877
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:59,600
Speaker 1: you talking about it? But everybody still I feel like

1878
01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:02,920
Speaker 1: like in the league that you talk to agrees with

1879
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:07,680
Speaker 1: this premise. The receiver is the last piece that you

1880
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:10,120
Speaker 1: drop in. It's not the first piece. You don't start

1881
01:29:10,200 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 1: or rebuild with the wide receiver. The the analogy that everybody, uh,

1882
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, I talked to some you know guys at

1883
01:29:17,240 --> 01:29:20,599
Speaker 1: the combine about this. The analogy that they always use

1884
01:29:20,920 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 1: is building a roster is like building a house, right,

1885
01:29:25,320 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: And are you gonna go and get on day one

1886
01:29:29,720 --> 01:29:32,080
Speaker 1: when you break round to build your your house on

1887
01:29:32,120 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 1: this pile of dirt, is the first thing that you're

1888
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:40,360
Speaker 1: gonna buy a sub zero fridge or a granite countertop

1889
01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:45,080
Speaker 1: or a Viking stove. No, the first thing that you're

1890
01:29:45,080 --> 01:29:47,360
Speaker 1: gonna do is lay the foundation for the house, and

1891
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 1: then you're gonna build the structure. So you're gonna have

1892
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:52,479
Speaker 1: you know, you're there's always that picture that goes around

1893
01:29:52,479 --> 01:29:55,120
Speaker 1: that's like the Ferrari and the just like beaten down house.

1894
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,839
Speaker 1: You're gonna have, Marvin Harrison, You're gonna have your granite,

1895
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:03,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna have you're Viking stove on a pile of dirt.

1896
01:30:03,160 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 1: Why do you know so much about brand names for

1897
01:30:05,640 --> 01:30:08,559
Speaker 1: kitchen appliances? Well, you know, I'm at that age, Alex.

1898
01:30:09,800 --> 01:30:12,960
Speaker 1: I'm at that age man. All right, turn thirty next week.

1899
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:16,519
Speaker 1: I can tell you any you're engaged. You're thirty one.

1900
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 1: The house is coming, whether it's today or tomorrow. U.

1901
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:24,880
Speaker 1: You you just don't do that right like you I understand,

1902
01:30:25,320 --> 01:30:27,880
Speaker 1: we all want the receiver. We've all been clamoring for

1903
01:30:27,960 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: it for years. We all, like Marvin Harrison Junior, I

1904
01:30:31,320 --> 01:30:33,760
Speaker 1: get all the pro arguments. The point is is that

1905
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:36,160
Speaker 1: when you build up a roster, you don't start with

1906
01:30:36,200 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: the shiny toy. It just doesn't make any sense. And

1907
01:30:39,400 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 1: on on fields, I've seen a lot of just give

1908
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:43,759
Speaker 1: up a third for fields, just give up a second

1909
01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 1: for fields.

1910
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:46,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, if the Bears could get a third round pick

1911
01:30:46,600 --> 01:30:48,479
Speaker 2: for justin fields, justin fields would not be a Bear

1912
01:30:48,560 --> 01:30:48,880
Speaker 2: right now.

1913
01:30:48,920 --> 01:30:52,280
Speaker 1: I wouldn't hate to the callers point though, as like

1914
01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:55,000
Speaker 1: plans C, I'm not talking about Plan A here. Plan

1915
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,040
Speaker 1: A is to draft a quarterback at three. I think

1916
01:30:57,160 --> 01:30:59,760
Speaker 1: still Plan B is Nix or panics, which he did

1917
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,160
Speaker 1: bring up. Let's say you strike out on Plan A

1918
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,479
Speaker 1: and or you don't decide to do Plan A, and

1919
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:06,519
Speaker 1: then you strike out on Plan B because you know,

1920
01:31:06,600 --> 01:31:09,000
Speaker 1: teams jump and get Nixon Pennox at the end of

1921
01:31:09,040 --> 01:31:10,559
Speaker 1: the first round or something like that, and you don't

1922
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:13,040
Speaker 1: want to do that. Justin field. Trading a Day three

1923
01:31:13,080 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 1: pick for justin fields so you have something a little

1924
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:17,679
Speaker 1: bit more exciting than Jacoby Brissett is not it, especially

1925
01:31:17,720 --> 01:31:19,920
Speaker 1: if the plan is to just sit Drake may look.

1926
01:31:20,200 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 1: I I you don't stopped saying trade a second for

1927
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 1: Justin Fields.

1928
01:31:25,680 --> 01:31:27,720
Speaker 2: Stop saying that, no, it's a day three packs. I

1929
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:29,240
Speaker 2: would not give up more in a fifth round pick.

1930
01:31:29,240 --> 01:31:31,000
Speaker 2: He's worth maybe a round more than mac Jones.

1931
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:32,080
Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, that's it.

1932
01:31:32,120 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 2: I would not If the Bears could get a top

1933
01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 2: one fifty pick for Justin Fields, he would not be

1934
01:31:37,800 --> 01:31:39,240
Speaker 2: on the Bears right now. All the thing about well

1935
01:31:39,240 --> 01:31:40,840
Speaker 2: they haven't traded him, Yetcause they want to do all

1936
01:31:40,840 --> 01:31:43,240
Speaker 2: their evaluation on the quarterbacks. That's the Bears trying to

1937
01:31:43,240 --> 01:31:43,920
Speaker 2: get better offers.

1938
01:31:44,160 --> 01:31:49,320
Speaker 1: That's what that is. They rather have Justin Fields and bonus.

1939
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: I would rather have Justin Fields than Jacoby Brissett. Like,

1940
01:31:53,320 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 1: if your quarterback room next year is Justin Fields and

1941
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:58,040
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette, it's not good. But at least Justin Fields

1942
01:31:58,040 --> 01:31:59,560
Speaker 1: has something. Let me ask, what are you doing with

1943
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 1: the third over pick? Well, in this case, you would

1944
01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,800
Speaker 1: be taking a non quarterback. So here's the thing I have.

1945
01:32:05,120 --> 01:32:07,439
Speaker 1: Why would if they really take the Justin Fields trade

1946
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:11,200
Speaker 1: and and draft the quarterback, Because if you're really gonna

1947
01:32:11,240 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: do this, hole not being competitive for twenty twenty. Fourth thing,

1948
01:32:14,920 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 1: then you don't want Justin Fields here because he's gonna

1949
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,320
Speaker 1: win you a couple more games, and you want a

1950
01:32:19,360 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 1: being position to take the guy next year. That's why.

1951
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,720
Speaker 1: Now did he win Chicago a couple more games?

1952
01:32:24,160 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 2: Picking ninth? Are you getting a quarterback ninth overall next year?

1953
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:27,599
Speaker 2: Probably not.

1954
01:32:28,080 --> 01:32:30,320
Speaker 1: I think that Justin Fields makes sense if you're if

1955
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:32,840
Speaker 1: you're skipping the quarterback this year, if.

1956
01:32:32,760 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 2: You're skipping the quarterback against year you're in, you should

1957
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:37,840
Speaker 2: be in full on tank Hode.

1958
01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:42,200
Speaker 1: That's I still think. I mean, I the worst case scenario,

1959
01:32:42,400 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: Justin Fields gets you back in the top ten, because

1960
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 1: he stakes best case scenario, he's Baker Mayfield. I just

1961
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,479
Speaker 1: don't see that with him. I don't see I'm not

1962
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:52,840
Speaker 1: saying I see it, but that that one of the

1963
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,679
Speaker 1: other he's not gonna get you back into the middle.

1964
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:57,000
Speaker 2: Does he get you back in the top ten or

1965
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,400
Speaker 2: back in the top five, because being back in the

1966
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:00,559
Speaker 2: there's a differentference there.

1967
01:33:01,280 --> 01:33:04,920
Speaker 1: If this, if this is what they're committing, here's my

1968
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:08,320
Speaker 1: no half measures. If you're committing I would just rather

1969
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: want as a fan and as somebody that is going

1970
01:33:11,439 --> 01:33:13,360
Speaker 1: to have to go to all seven of these, But

1971
01:33:13,520 --> 01:33:16,839
Speaker 1: that's not what I'm talking about. I would watch obviously,

1972
01:33:16,840 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 1: That's all I'm saying.

1973
01:33:17,479 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 2: But if you're making these decisions and the goal is

1974
01:33:20,040 --> 01:33:21,920
Speaker 2: we just want to draft and develop, we don't want

1975
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,760
Speaker 2: to be competitive in twenty twenty four. Not we don't

1976
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:26,519
Speaker 2: want to be, but like we know we're not going right, Yes,

1977
01:33:26,840 --> 01:33:28,160
Speaker 2: what does Justin Fields do.

1978
01:33:28,880 --> 01:33:31,639
Speaker 1: Makes it more exciting to watch the games? Do they care?

1979
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 1: They probably shouldn't care that, Yeah, no, they shouldn't. You're right,

1980
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:39,800
Speaker 1: should bottom line, I'm saying, because there's that, there's that,

1981
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:43,320
Speaker 1: there's that possibility of him having like the game he

1982
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 1: had here right like he there's talent there, there's a

1983
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,559
Speaker 1: mobility there, there's arm talent there, there's physical tools there.

1984
01:33:49,920 --> 01:33:52,759
Speaker 1: It's just a more intriguing product than trotting out Jacoby

1985
01:33:52,760 --> 01:33:53,680
Speaker 1: Brisset or Bailey's act.

1986
01:33:53,760 --> 01:33:56,160
Speaker 2: Right, But if he wins you like seven or eight games,

1987
01:33:56,439 --> 01:33:58,759
Speaker 2: now you're stuck in the middle. You can't get a quarterback,

1988
01:33:58,760 --> 01:34:00,320
Speaker 2: but he's not good enough to excre and then you

1989
01:34:00,360 --> 01:34:03,280
Speaker 2: blew your shot tat blue chipper at the most important position.

1990
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: You're thinking of it from the proper perspective of like

1991
01:34:06,520 --> 01:34:08,519
Speaker 1: an Elliott Wolf. We'll flip from where we were earlier

1992
01:34:08,520 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 1: in the show. I'm just telling you that you and

1993
01:34:10,439 --> 01:34:11,800
Speaker 1: I are going to have to be in all these

1994
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:12,320
Speaker 1: freaking games.

1995
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:15,320
Speaker 2: Yours Field is more entertaining than Jen Jacoby Brussette. I

1996
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:17,840
Speaker 2: think I think you're not giving Fields enough credit. I

1997
01:34:17,880 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 2: think he's gonna win you more games than you think.

1998
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 2: I think he gets you to seven this defense, I said, I.

1999
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 1: Think it's one or the other. I think that he's

2000
01:34:24,560 --> 01:34:26,519
Speaker 1: either Baker Mayfield or they're back in the time. I

2001
01:34:26,560 --> 01:34:30,200
Speaker 1: think there's absolutely a medium. I think there's absolutely because

2002
01:34:30,240 --> 01:34:33,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that he single handedly moves the needle

2003
01:34:33,120 --> 01:34:35,720
Speaker 1: enough so that the reason why the way he gets

2004
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,599
Speaker 1: to Baker Mayfield is that they absolutely kill the draft.

2005
01:34:38,840 --> 01:34:45,200
Speaker 1: It's like Joe alt Xavier. Then you have to pay him. Yeah,

2006
01:34:45,240 --> 01:34:46,519
Speaker 1: that that's what That's what I said.

2007
01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:48,400
Speaker 2: Yes, the Bears went the Bears went seven to ten

2008
01:34:48,479 --> 01:34:51,280
Speaker 2: last year. There's absolutely a seven to ten season, an

2009
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,400
Speaker 2: eight to nine season, and justin Fields.

2010
01:34:53,120 --> 01:34:57,320
Speaker 1: And that pick does instead of I still don't see

2011
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: what the problem is. The problem is that you're picking

2012
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 1: ninth and needing a quarterback. That's what the problem is. Okay,

2013
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:03,680
Speaker 1: but if you traded down in this draft and you

2014
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:06,080
Speaker 1: have this war chest to picks, now you can trade

2015
01:35:06,120 --> 01:35:07,320
Speaker 1: up for the quarterback.

2016
01:35:07,080 --> 01:35:09,479
Speaker 2: Assuming that what if there's only two quarterbacks and the

2017
01:35:09,479 --> 01:35:12,280
Speaker 2: teams at the top of the draft aren't budging. Okay,

2018
01:35:12,439 --> 01:35:15,000
Speaker 2: there's a reason everybody's talking about the Patriots trading out

2019
01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 2: of three and not the Commander's trading out of two,

2020
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 2: because everybody knows the Commanders need a quarterback and want

2021
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:20,599
Speaker 2: to take quarterback.

2022
01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:21,679
Speaker 1: That pick is not for sale.

2023
01:35:21,760 --> 01:35:23,519
Speaker 2: What if Jane Daniels he didn't come out this year,

2024
01:35:24,760 --> 01:35:27,280
Speaker 2: or Drake mayhadn't come out this year, that's it's not

2025
01:35:28,320 --> 01:35:30,599
Speaker 2: And I know I was the one saying last year,

2026
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:31,559
Speaker 2: give up what you.

2027
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 1: Need to give me earlier in the show that was

2028
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:37,439
Speaker 1: in full panic mode about about this whole plan, and

2029
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:39,400
Speaker 1: now you don't want to do anything to make the team.

2030
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:42,479
Speaker 2: Any well, because I'm going here's my thing, because I

2031
01:35:42,640 --> 01:35:46,559
Speaker 2: don't necessarily agree with the plan, but no half measures

2032
01:35:46,640 --> 01:35:47,400
Speaker 2: a quarterback.

2033
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:48,679
Speaker 1: Commit to something.

2034
01:35:49,160 --> 01:35:51,439
Speaker 2: Either we're gonna take a guy at three and that's

2035
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:54,400
Speaker 2: our future, or this is not the year for quarterback.

2036
01:35:54,520 --> 01:35:56,679
Speaker 2: We're gonna pass on it and address it next year.

2037
01:35:56,880 --> 01:36:00,400
Speaker 2: Saying well, you know Justin Fields is more tending to

2038
01:36:00,439 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 2: watch you win US a couple more games, but he's

2039
01:36:02,760 --> 01:36:06,120
Speaker 2: not a long term option that doesn't do anything, that

2040
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:10,560
Speaker 2: does nothing. Okay, that's my point, No half measures.

2041
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:13,559
Speaker 1: Just just and there were he was in the building

2042
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:16,800
Speaker 1: at the time, Elliott Wolf was, and Macro was as well,

2043
01:36:16,840 --> 01:36:19,960
Speaker 1: I believe. So my guess is that they are of

2044
01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:24,080
Speaker 1: like mine with Bill on Justin Fields. The Patriots I

2045
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:27,080
Speaker 1: do not believe. Even if if it was between mac

2046
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:28,800
Speaker 1: Jones and Justin Fields at fifteen, I think they would

2047
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,479
Speaker 1: have taken mac Jones. There are some reports they liked,

2048
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 1: I know, I don't think they like to remember that,

2049
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:35,559
Speaker 1: all right, Well, I don't think they like. So my

2050
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,320
Speaker 1: point being that if that was the thought process of

2051
01:36:38,360 --> 01:36:42,160
Speaker 1: the entire organization on Justin Fields, then this is I

2052
01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 1: think a non non conversation because they're not gonna think me.

2053
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:47,200
Speaker 1: But if they wait a second, if they thought their

2054
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:50,519
Speaker 1: pre draft evaluation, if Elliott Wolf actually thought more of

2055
01:36:50,640 --> 01:36:53,439
Speaker 1: Justin Fields than Bill did. And Bill's been right so

2056
01:36:53,560 --> 01:36:56,160
Speaker 1: far on Justin Fields, but let's just say that Elliot

2057
01:36:56,200 --> 01:36:59,160
Speaker 1: Wolf's pre draft evaluation on Justin Fields was that he

2058
01:36:59,320 --> 01:37:01,439
Speaker 1: was a much better player than Bill thought he was.

2059
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,360
Speaker 1: Then you go back to that pre draft evaluation and

2060
01:37:04,400 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: now you think you're gonna you can tap into that

2061
01:37:06,360 --> 01:37:08,240
Speaker 1: and you can get more out of him than what

2062
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:11,240
Speaker 1: Chicago did just trading for Justin Fields fit into the

2063
01:37:11,280 --> 01:37:15,719
Speaker 1: Packer away the nine steps. Yeah, how Brett Farr's draft

2064
01:37:15,720 --> 01:37:19,320
Speaker 1: and develop all right, So but he's not Brett fv

2065
01:37:20,960 --> 01:37:23,559
Speaker 1: I'm what do you mean, he's literally it's literally the

2066
01:37:23,560 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: same thing. Now, the Packers actually traded a first round

2067
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:29,840
Speaker 1: pick for Brett Farr, which at the time was kind

2068
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:33,400
Speaker 1: of crazy, but regardless, to take the draft, you know,

2069
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:37,120
Speaker 1: capital out of it, trading for the quarterback that is

2070
01:37:37,160 --> 01:37:39,360
Speaker 1: a depreciated asset because Brett Farr was drinking his way

2071
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:42,360
Speaker 1: out of Atlanta at the time, So trading a quarterback

2072
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,479
Speaker 1: for a depreciated asset. I did a lot of research

2073
01:37:44,520 --> 01:37:47,479
Speaker 1: on Packer history last night. I'm telling you that, jeez,

2074
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:51,920
Speaker 1: trading a quarterback that's a depreciate trading four quarterbacks appreciated

2075
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:55,439
Speaker 1: acid is exactly what Ron Wolf did. Then I guess

2076
01:37:55,479 --> 01:37:58,040
Speaker 1: it's possibility. I look, because Ron Wolf fell in love

2077
01:37:58,080 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: with Brett Farr in the draft and they didn't have it.

2078
01:37:59,880 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 1: He in Philly didn't have the opportunity to draft him.

2079
01:38:02,120 --> 01:38:05,640
Speaker 2: I I just I would actually like a trade for

2080
01:38:05,680 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 2: Fields more if they do draft a quarterback at three

2081
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:11,200
Speaker 2: because if the planet, if the plan is to draft now,

2082
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 2: what are you can do? Because if the plan is

2083
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 2: to draft him and sit him for a year, no

2084
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 2: matter what, let Justin Fields take the beating.

2085
01:38:17,680 --> 01:38:20,200
Speaker 1: I'd much let Jacoby Brissette take to the beating. What point,

2086
01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:21,720
Speaker 1: doesn't matter who takes the beating.

2087
01:38:21,960 --> 01:38:25,439
Speaker 2: Well, because Jacoby Rissett generally doesn't finish seasons. I have

2088
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,240
Speaker 2: no desire whatsoever because it gives you another buck. Because

2089
01:38:28,240 --> 01:38:31,160
Speaker 2: I said this before Bappy out there, Well, but it's

2090
01:38:31,200 --> 01:38:33,679
Speaker 2: another buffer, it's another buffer before you have to play

2091
01:38:33,680 --> 01:38:35,320
Speaker 2: that guy. And it's like I said, if you believe

2092
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:36,960
Speaker 2: he needs to sit for a year, you have to

2093
01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:38,040
Speaker 2: have to have to commit to that.

2094
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:42,680
Speaker 1: I just personally I don't like and I get it,

2095
01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:47,360
Speaker 1: like you ideally you wish that the competitive nature. It

2096
01:38:47,400 --> 01:38:50,439
Speaker 1: brings out a competitive nature that if you bring into

2097
01:38:50,560 --> 01:38:53,679
Speaker 1: Justin Fields, who is a legitimate challenger for a starting

2098
01:38:53,760 --> 01:38:57,559
Speaker 1: job here, that Drake may takes it personally and and

2099
01:38:57,640 --> 01:38:59,760
Speaker 1: like Jimmy g and Tom Brady right, like that's so

2100
01:38:59,800 --> 01:39:02,600
Speaker 1: you're advocating for Justin Fields with a quarterback. You know

2101
01:39:02,720 --> 01:39:05,759
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, I'm getting there, that's what you hope.

2102
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 1: What I'm telling you is that from what I've observed

2103
01:39:10,040 --> 01:39:12,439
Speaker 1: of these of the modern athlete, I hate that term,

2104
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:13,960
Speaker 1: but I can't think of another one off the top

2105
01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:15,960
Speaker 1: of my head right now. What I've observed in the

2106
01:39:15,960 --> 01:39:19,799
Speaker 1: modern athlete is that for better or worse, these kids

2107
01:39:19,840 --> 01:39:22,720
Speaker 1: have to be cast. They don't They don't want to

2108
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:26,200
Speaker 1: be put in a situation. I think to the point

2109
01:39:26,240 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: where Mac Jones felt threatened by Bailey Zappi, I mean

2110
01:39:29,320 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 1: of all people. So that's they don't want that. They

2111
01:39:33,720 --> 01:39:36,719
Speaker 1: don't want to feel threatened. They don't want to be challenged.

2112
01:39:36,920 --> 01:39:39,800
Speaker 1: They want the red carpet rolled out for him, and

2113
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,600
Speaker 1: more times than that they will rise to it. But

2114
01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:44,960
Speaker 1: if Drake, if Drake May knows he's sitting out the year,

2115
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:48,320
Speaker 1: it's not a threat. It is a threat though, because

2116
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:50,960
Speaker 1: what ends up happening, you know, he could become Trey Lance,

2117
01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,760
Speaker 1: Like what ends up happening if Justin Fields balls out? Well,

2118
01:39:53,800 --> 01:39:56,479
Speaker 1: the thing about Trey Lance is the Niners didn't have

2119
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,200
Speaker 1: a good quarterback ahead of them. Trey Lance also wasn't

2120
01:39:59,200 --> 01:40:01,320
Speaker 1: for you don't think he did. But they think that

2121
01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,120
Speaker 1: he did that to the point where they kept him

2122
01:40:03,160 --> 01:40:04,880
Speaker 1: on the bench for jim Do you do you fraight?

2123
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 1: But Jimmy wasn't playing well. That was Trey Lance being bad.

2124
01:40:07,800 --> 01:40:10,679
Speaker 1: It wasn't Jimmy being good. This is my point. If

2125
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,320
Speaker 1: Justin Fields, we don't know what Trey Lance was behind it.

2126
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:15,639
Speaker 2: If Justin Field, well, I mean they made it pretty

2127
01:40:15,640 --> 01:40:18,800
Speaker 2: clear when they decided to move on from him. If

2128
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,800
Speaker 2: Justin Fields plays well, you draft Drake May third, you

2129
01:40:20,800 --> 01:40:22,960
Speaker 2: franchise Justin Fields. Next year, you trade him for a hole,

2130
01:40:24,680 --> 01:40:25,760
Speaker 2: and then you go to Drake May.

2131
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Speaker 1: Okay, I just I'm telling you that I think that

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01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 1: the competition in the quarterback room it's it's valte twenty

2133
01:40:33,120 --> 01:40:34,840
Speaker 1: years ago. I think that used to be a good thing.

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Speaker 2: Now, I would not bring in I would not bring

2135
01:40:36,760 --> 01:40:39,280
Speaker 2: in Justin Fields to compete with Drake May. But again,

2136
01:40:39,320 --> 01:40:41,120
Speaker 2: if they look at it and they say this kid

2137
01:40:41,160 --> 01:40:43,439
Speaker 2: can't play this year, right, put him in bubble rapples,

2138
01:40:43,439 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 2: see him in twenty twenty five, then I'm all right,

2139
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:47,920
Speaker 2: bring in Justin Fields so you have another buffer in

2140
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 2: case guy start getting hurt. That's where Matt at that point.

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01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 1: Fair enough, all right, Terrence is in Minnesota. It's up, Terrence. Hey, Terrence,

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01:40:56,280 --> 01:41:01,240
Speaker 1: you're there, Terrence? Put him on again. All right, we'll

2143
01:41:01,240 --> 01:41:02,920
Speaker 1: put you on hold. And I don't know how to

2144
01:41:02,920 --> 01:41:05,120
Speaker 1: do that. I think I do. There we go, Maybe

2145
01:41:05,439 --> 01:41:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't know? All right? Eric is in New Jersey.

2146
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,519
Speaker 1: What's up Eric? Oh? I think I messed it up.

2147
01:41:10,760 --> 01:41:12,960
Speaker 1: I tried call back in and we'll get you on there.

2148
01:41:12,960 --> 01:41:17,240
Speaker 1: Ethan is in California. What's up Ethan? Oh, there's the

2149
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 1: hold button, Ethan? What's up Ethan? Going once? All right,

2150
01:41:23,560 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 1: there's a couple of emails I wanted to get there. Sorry,

2151
01:41:25,439 --> 01:41:26,800
Speaker 1: you guys can call back in and we'll see if

2152
01:41:27,120 --> 01:41:28,760
Speaker 1: we can get you on there. There. All right, So

2153
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,040
Speaker 1: there's just one email I want. I need to get

2154
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,120
Speaker 1: this off my chest. All right. We have a ton

2155
01:41:33,160 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 1: of emails that we really appreciated. Most of them are

2156
01:41:35,400 --> 01:41:38,200
Speaker 1: pretty connected of like what do they do now? Do

2157
01:41:38,240 --> 01:41:39,720
Speaker 1: they move up? Do they move you know, do they

2158
01:41:39,800 --> 01:41:41,400
Speaker 1: move back? I mean, you know that sort of thing.

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01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 1: So I think we belabored that point. So here's an

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01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:47,400
Speaker 1: email from Noah, and Noah's from Toronto. No I promise

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01:41:47,439 --> 01:41:49,280
Speaker 1: you this is not an attack on you personally. I

2162
01:41:49,760 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 1: understand what you're laying out here, So he says, I

2163
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,160
Speaker 1: haven't and Alex, I know you are both high on

2164
01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:58,200
Speaker 1: Ady Mitchell and Brian Thomas junior, but I'm worried that

2165
01:41:58,720 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 1: due to their lack of earth early production in college.

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01:42:01,560 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 1: You know where this is going. You know how much

2167
01:42:02,920 --> 01:42:06,360
Speaker 1: I love breakout age. Every single one of these top

2168
01:42:06,360 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 1: receiving leaders last year had a freshman or sophomore season

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01:42:09,600 --> 01:42:11,680
Speaker 1: where they were on pace for five hundred yards and

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01:42:11,720 --> 01:42:14,639
Speaker 1: twelve games. Both Ady Mitchell and Brian Thomas Junior failed

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01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:18,759
Speaker 1: to meet this threshold. Since twenty fifteen, the only first

2172
01:42:18,840 --> 01:42:21,720
Speaker 1: round picks to not meet the threshold, meaning they did

2173
01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:25,599
Speaker 1: not have an early career breakout in college essentially, are

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01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:31,640
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, John Dotson, Kadarius Tony, and John Ross. So basically,

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01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:35,759
Speaker 1: what Noah is saying is that there's a metric among

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01:42:35,800 --> 01:42:37,800
Speaker 1: the nerds. Yeah, and I'm going to fight my own

2177
01:42:37,800 --> 01:42:40,880
Speaker 1: people right now. There's a metric among the nerds called

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01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:45,600
Speaker 1: breakout age, and over the course of time, guys that

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Speaker 1: break out early as freshmen and sophomores in college tend

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01:42:49,000 --> 01:42:50,280
Speaker 1: to be really good NFL players.

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01:42:50,360 --> 01:42:52,920
Speaker 2: You're telling me the better players in college end up

2182
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:55,400
Speaker 2: being better players in the pros. The nerds have figured

2183
01:42:55,400 --> 01:42:57,599
Speaker 2: out the guys that it took them till twenty four

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01:42:57,640 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 2: to figure this out.

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01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:03,720
Speaker 1: Natulation, Yes, the just go ahead. The point is is

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01:43:03,760 --> 01:43:08,160
Speaker 1: that the younger you break out, the more tools E,

2187
01:43:08,360 --> 01:43:11,479
Speaker 1: the more you know raw talent you probably have, and

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01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 1: so that means the better players are better. Congratulations, So

2189
01:43:15,400 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: just cracked the code. I'm just I'm just trying to

2190
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:20,800
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get to know and I'm on

2191
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:23,720
Speaker 1: your side. So just give me a second. Okay, you're

2192
01:43:23,720 --> 01:43:27,839
Speaker 1: not hammering them enough. The first the best example recently

2193
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 1: that I can give you is Jamar Chase. Jamar Chase

2194
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:33,160
Speaker 1: came to LSU. I think it was his sophomore season

2195
01:43:33,280 --> 01:43:36,559
Speaker 1: was which was the true breakout season where he was

2196
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:40,320
Speaker 1: just bananas, and then he basically sat out his junior

2197
01:43:40,320 --> 01:43:43,720
Speaker 1: season and went to the draft. He he came to

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01:43:43,800 --> 01:43:45,679
Speaker 1: l s U and he was a stud the day

2199
01:43:45,680 --> 01:43:48,280
Speaker 1: he walked on campus, and he's a study in the NFL.

2200
01:43:49,040 --> 01:43:52,439
Speaker 1: To use another example, this is why underclassmen tend to

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01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:56,160
Speaker 1: get drafted highly. Christian Gonzales, right, Christian Gonzales was a

2202
01:43:56,200 --> 01:43:59,479
Speaker 1: true junior, came out of college, was a stud in

2203
01:43:59,520 --> 01:44:02,040
Speaker 1: the college, is going to be a stud in the NFL.

2204
01:44:02,479 --> 01:44:04,599
Speaker 1: So there are are Well, gonzaz was a little bit

2205
01:44:04,600 --> 01:44:07,680
Speaker 1: of a later bloomer, wasn't he Not? Not really? I

2206
01:44:07,680 --> 01:44:09,799
Speaker 1: mean he was a junior. He was an early declare.

2207
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:12,439
Speaker 1: Oh he was a junior, but he didn't He was

2208
01:44:12,479 --> 01:44:14,559
Speaker 1: good at Colorado. He as good as year in Oregon.

2209
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:17,639
Speaker 1: Came into the draft. All right, I get what you're saying. Yeah,

2210
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. The two pushbacks that I give

2211
01:44:21,040 --> 01:44:25,240
Speaker 1: on breakout age. One above all, I was trust the tape.

2212
01:44:25,520 --> 01:44:27,800
Speaker 1: If you like you think Adie Mitchell is going to

2213
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:29,519
Speaker 1: be a good player because he wasn't a good player

2214
01:44:29,560 --> 01:44:32,160
Speaker 1: at nineteen years old, Like, that's where I just feel

2215
01:44:32,200 --> 01:44:35,000
Speaker 1: that that's at It's it's a case by case basis.

2216
01:44:35,200 --> 01:44:37,120
Speaker 1: Adie Mitchell is a really good player, He's going to

2217
01:44:37,160 --> 01:44:39,639
Speaker 1: be the nerds case by case basis, as all human

2218
01:44:39,640 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 1: beings are the same. The other thing that I would

2219
01:44:41,280 --> 01:44:45,599
Speaker 1: push back on is that the college football landscape has

2220
01:44:45,680 --> 01:44:48,800
Speaker 1: changed and we need to adjust how we think about things.

2221
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:51,400
Speaker 1: This is look at you making a lot.

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01:44:51,680 --> 01:44:54,320
Speaker 2: I was waiting to make this take that is a

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01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:57,679
Speaker 2: real big time college football observation.

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01:44:57,800 --> 01:44:59,960
Speaker 1: Bevl Lazar. Wow, I am so proud right now.

2225
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 2: Wow, keep going, I'm sorry, rug keep going, keep going,

2226
01:45:02,560 --> 01:45:03,880
Speaker 2: keep going, so I don't want to stop.

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01:45:03,960 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 1: Keep going. The college football landscape has changed, Nick Saban,

2228
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:11,080
Speaker 1: your boy, yeah, is getting getting dragged for a good take,

2229
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:14,479
Speaker 1: by the way, right, for being righted. And essentially what's

2230
01:45:14,520 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 1: happening now is that because of the portal, because of nil,

2231
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:22,559
Speaker 1: guys are transferring left and right. You go one school

2232
01:45:22,640 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 1: one year, next school the next year. You got guys

2233
01:45:25,520 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: in the draft that are like been in college for

2234
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,320
Speaker 1: like ten years, right, And so all these guys, these

2235
01:45:30,360 --> 01:45:33,760
Speaker 1: younger players are getting pushed down because guys are transferring

2236
01:45:33,800 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: in got you know, guys that have been around for

2237
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:40,759
Speaker 1: a while and for whatever reason. And Adie Mitchell at Georgia,

2238
01:45:41,200 --> 01:45:44,640
Speaker 1: even though he had flashes at Georgia that were fantastic,

2239
01:45:45,000 --> 01:45:47,160
Speaker 1: just like couldn't get the opportunities to be on the

2240
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 1: field at Georgia, which was so weird because it wasn't

2241
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:53,479
Speaker 1: like Georgia necessarily had any Like it wasn't like aj

2242
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:56,000
Speaker 1: Green was ahead of them at Georgia anymore, like, you know,

2243
01:45:56,360 --> 01:45:59,160
Speaker 1: like they didn't have like all these great receivers necessarily,

2244
01:45:59,400 --> 01:46:01,960
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason, he had troubles getting on the

2245
01:46:01,960 --> 01:46:05,120
Speaker 1: field at Georgia. His one good game was actually against

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01:46:05,200 --> 01:46:07,720
Speaker 1: Christian Gonzales in Oregon and the opener a couple of

2247
01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:09,320
Speaker 1: years ago. And no, he played well on that national

2248
01:46:09,439 --> 01:46:11,559
Speaker 1: championship or was it the SEC one of the games

2249
01:46:11,560 --> 01:46:13,880
Speaker 1: against Bama. I remember he killed Bama in the But

2250
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:18,479
Speaker 1: all of these trends that we've these old trends of

2251
01:46:18,520 --> 01:46:21,040
Speaker 1: like breakout age and things like that, I'm throwing them

2252
01:46:21,040 --> 01:46:23,840
Speaker 1: out because I just feel like everything I say the

2253
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 1: same thing about Pennix. Yeah, he didn't break out early

2254
01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:28,680
Speaker 1: because he was hurt, right, and then he transferred and

2255
01:46:28,720 --> 01:46:30,960
Speaker 1: then like it just there's so much going on in

2256
01:46:31,000 --> 01:46:34,000
Speaker 1: these kids' lives nowadays in college football that it's so

2257
01:46:34,200 --> 01:46:36,439
Speaker 1: hard to just like track it like And I would add,

2258
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 1: first of all, you nailed that with the college Football Escape. Again,

2259
01:46:39,479 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 1: very proud, thank you.

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01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:44,120
Speaker 2: I compounding it is you had guys with the extra

2261
01:46:44,160 --> 01:46:46,719
Speaker 2: COVID year, and guys are just staying in college longer,

2262
01:46:46,760 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 2: and there were just more players in college. That's why

2263
01:46:50,240 --> 01:46:53,120
Speaker 2: this draft is so deep, because normally these guys would

2264
01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 2: have been spread out over the last few years, but

2265
01:46:55,240 --> 01:46:57,600
Speaker 2: you had an entire class of players that stayed in

2266
01:46:57,680 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 2: extra year right, kept him buried on the depth art,

2267
01:47:00,520 --> 01:47:03,080
Speaker 2: so they didn't get They're not gonna, you know, declare

2268
01:47:03,120 --> 01:47:04,880
Speaker 2: for the draft when they still have eligibility and they

2269
01:47:04,880 --> 01:47:06,840
Speaker 2: haven't really played. They want to get their value up.

2270
01:47:07,120 --> 01:47:09,800
Speaker 2: So it's it's the NIL like you laid out, there's

2271
01:47:09,960 --> 01:47:12,559
Speaker 2: a COVID element, and we're almost done with the COVID

2272
01:47:12,560 --> 01:47:15,439
Speaker 2: stuff in terms of people impacted by the COVID year.

2273
01:47:15,439 --> 01:47:17,479
Speaker 2: I think next year is the last year of like

2274
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:20,240
Speaker 2: the COVID players, and then we're back to four years

2275
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:22,200
Speaker 2: plus a red shirt, and then I think there's like

2276
01:47:22,240 --> 01:47:25,400
Speaker 2: a weird new fifth thing with NIL play. So no more,

2277
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:27,639
Speaker 2: no more eighth year seniors, I think after next year.

2278
01:47:27,680 --> 01:47:29,320
Speaker 1: But there's a couple of things that we need to

2279
01:47:29,640 --> 01:47:32,040
Speaker 1: just I'm thinking with at the draft. This is one

2280
01:47:32,080 --> 01:47:34,240
Speaker 1: of them, which will hopefully get a little bit better

2281
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:37,599
Speaker 1: once the COVID the COVID people are out right. The

2282
01:47:37,680 --> 01:47:42,960
Speaker 1: second thing is is that the the Caleb Williams athlete,

2283
01:47:43,320 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 1: the guy that's coming into the league with a brand,

2284
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:51,200
Speaker 1: with money, with fame all locked up. These types of

2285
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,920
Speaker 1: things we are going to have to get used to

2286
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,559
Speaker 1: the fact that these guys are wired differently. Yeah, and

2287
01:47:57,960 --> 01:47:59,760
Speaker 1: the comparison that I use at the Combine because we

2288
01:47:59,800 --> 01:48:02,280
Speaker 1: talked about it a little bit at the Combine and afterwards.

2289
01:48:03,200 --> 01:48:05,160
Speaker 1: I watch a lot of NBA. You know that big

2290
01:48:05,200 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 1: Celtics fan. I hear these guys talk at the Combine

2291
01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: and it sounds exactly like the NBA players sound. It

2292
01:48:14,200 --> 01:48:17,840
Speaker 1: sounds exactly like Jason Tatum, it sounds exactly like Jalen Brown.

2293
01:48:18,080 --> 01:48:21,000
Speaker 1: It's not that they don't want to win, but it's

2294
01:48:21,120 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 1: just a different approach. There's an understanding of it being

2295
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:26,839
Speaker 1: a business. There's an understanding of it being a business.

2296
01:48:27,240 --> 01:48:29,439
Speaker 1: There's an understanding of it not being life and death.

2297
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:32,160
Speaker 1: You know, whether they win or lose, or whether you know,

2298
01:48:32,200 --> 01:48:34,439
Speaker 1: they win the championship. They all want to win. It's

2299
01:48:34,439 --> 01:48:41,680
Speaker 1: not about that. But the maniacal Brady Michael Jordan, Kobe

2300
01:48:41,800 --> 01:48:45,080
Speaker 1: like that type of winner. I don't know if that

2301
01:48:45,120 --> 01:48:47,280
Speaker 1: guy like the winner in the NBA right now. Nikola

2302
01:48:47,360 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 1: Jokic doesn't even like basketball basketball. He's clocking in like

2303
01:48:50,439 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 1: an it's a nine to it's your interesting. That's when

2304
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:55,640
Speaker 1: I listen to a lot of these kids. There are

2305
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:58,800
Speaker 1: still some of those like tough, like serious, you know,

2306
01:48:59,120 --> 01:49:01,799
Speaker 1: stare through your soul type kids in at the podiums

2307
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:04,639
Speaker 1: and stuff at the combine, but there's a lot more,

2308
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 1: especially the guys that have already had stardom with nil

2309
01:49:08,000 --> 01:49:11,040
Speaker 1: and like Caleb Williams type that just kind of are

2310
01:49:11,280 --> 01:49:15,040
Speaker 1: recognized that this is it's all encompassing now and just

2311
01:49:15,120 --> 01:49:16,960
Speaker 1: wait till the video game and they and they don't

2312
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:21,200
Speaker 1: need the money. The money is nice, and they're gonna

2313
01:49:21,200 --> 01:49:23,000
Speaker 1: get paid more in the NFL than they are gonna

2314
01:49:23,000 --> 01:49:26,960
Speaker 1: get paid in college. But Caleb Williams already living in

2315
01:49:27,000 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 1: the penthouse in Los Angeles right now, so it's not

2316
01:49:29,800 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 1: like he needs like this check from his rookie contract

2317
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:38,000
Speaker 1: is going to change his life, so for better or worse.

2318
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:41,080
Speaker 1: And to Nick Saban's point, I thought he he nails it.

2319
01:49:41,520 --> 01:49:44,960
Speaker 1: But you know, predictably, everybody.

2320
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:47,360
Speaker 2: Hands Nick Saban knows what he's talking about. That that's

2321
01:49:47,400 --> 01:49:49,519
Speaker 2: like the nerds figuring out that the good players are good.

2322
01:49:49,800 --> 01:49:53,160
Speaker 1: It's not it's not I'll leave that alone. It's not

2323
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:56,640
Speaker 1: necessarily against that not exactly what you just it's not

2324
01:49:56,640 --> 01:49:59,680
Speaker 1: necessarily a good thing that when Nick Sabans at Alabama,

2325
01:50:00,120 --> 01:50:02,960
Speaker 1: all anybody wants to know is how much are you

2326
01:50:03,000 --> 01:50:04,719
Speaker 1: gonna pay me? And how much am I gonna play?

2327
01:50:04,960 --> 01:50:06,679
Speaker 1: Otherwise I'm gonna threaten to transfer.

2328
01:50:07,040 --> 01:50:07,200
Speaker 3: Right.

2329
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:09,640
Speaker 1: I don't like that either, But that's the landscape, and

2330
01:50:09,680 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: that's the way Saban was.

2331
01:50:13,120 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 2: You mentioned James Wait, well he was a transfer, but

2332
01:50:15,479 --> 01:50:19,439
Speaker 2: Saban was, is I mean in college football, the way

2333
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:21,800
Speaker 2: Alabama was built is the college football equivalent of the

2334
01:50:21,800 --> 01:50:22,280
Speaker 2: packer away.

2335
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:24,479
Speaker 1: A lot of schools, you get a five star, you're

2336
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:25,479
Speaker 1: playing them. You don't.

2337
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:27,679
Speaker 2: You may have a four star receiver that's a junior,

2338
01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:29,320
Speaker 2: but he's gonna be gone in a couple of years.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna play this. Saban was, I don't care. If

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Speaker 2: you're number one recruiting country, you're gonna sit and you're

2341
01:50:34,120 --> 01:50:36,439
Speaker 2: gonna wait, you Atturney, you're gonna get better because you're

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01:50:36,439 --> 01:50:38,519
Speaker 2: the number one recruiting country. Coming out of high school.

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01:50:39,080 --> 01:50:41,160
Speaker 2: All of these guys were top ten and they've been

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01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:43,800
Speaker 2: in my program and they've gotten better. And you had

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01:50:43,960 --> 01:50:47,120
Speaker 2: some other schools that, like Kirby, kind of did that

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01:50:47,200 --> 01:50:51,280
Speaker 2: a little bit. Saban's obviously the most high profile example,

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01:50:51,320 --> 01:50:54,080
Speaker 2: but you did have you know some of the top schools,

2348
01:50:54,160 --> 01:50:57,240
Speaker 2: because they were the top schools, could basically sit and say, yeah,

2349
01:50:57,320 --> 01:51:00,240
Speaker 2: you're Bryce Young is a perfect example of this. Same

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01:51:00,680 --> 01:51:02,920
Speaker 2: was a top quarterback recruit and they sat and behind

2351
01:51:02,920 --> 01:51:05,439
Speaker 2: mac Jones. Why because mac Jones had been in the system.

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01:51:05,720 --> 01:51:08,200
Speaker 2: Mac jus mac Jones knew what it took. And Saban

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01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,240
Speaker 2: looked at it and said, you're not coming right from

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01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:12,160
Speaker 2: high school. Like, if you're the better player, if you

2355
01:51:12,160 --> 01:51:14,120
Speaker 2: can prove you're the better player in practice. But he

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01:51:14,160 --> 01:51:17,120
Speaker 2: couldn't because just making that jump is not easy. That's

2357
01:51:17,640 --> 01:51:20,439
Speaker 2: an nh percent tile of guy can do that. A

2358
01:51:20,479 --> 01:51:22,240
Speaker 2: lot of people say that jump from high school to

2359
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:24,519
Speaker 2: college is tougher than to jump from college to the pros.

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01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:26,439
Speaker 2: I think something that depends on where you're coming from.

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01:51:26,479 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 1: But you're not.

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01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:31,160
Speaker 2: Gonna see that anymore. The top players are gonna get

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01:51:31,240 --> 01:51:34,240
Speaker 2: rushed onto the field because schools will say, all right,

2364
01:51:34,360 --> 01:51:37,360
Speaker 2: junior wide receiver, who is like a third round pick,

2365
01:51:38,320 --> 01:51:39,719
Speaker 2: This kid's gonna be a top fifty.

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01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:41,599
Speaker 1: You can go transfer, We go for it.

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01:51:41,680 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 2: You'll go play, You'll go play at some some group

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01:51:44,320 --> 01:51:46,800
Speaker 2: of five school. You'll go play in the I guess

2369
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:48,360
Speaker 2: not the PAC twelve anymore. But you'll go play in

2370
01:51:48,360 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 2: the Mountain West, or you'll go play in the ACC

2371
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:53,840
Speaker 2: outside of Clemson in Florida State, and you congraduately have

2372
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:54,320
Speaker 2: fun with that.

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01:51:54,360 --> 01:51:54,760
Speaker 1: Good luck.

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01:51:54,920 --> 01:51:56,519
Speaker 2: We need to play this kid, because if we don't,

2375
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:59,439
Speaker 2: he's gonna go somewhere else. So the entire length, it's

2376
01:51:59,720 --> 01:52:03,559
Speaker 2: as with everything, it's gonna be a couple of years

2377
01:52:03,640 --> 01:52:06,320
Speaker 2: until we get this adjustment because it's it has to

2378
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,759
Speaker 2: play out of the college level first, and teams.

2379
01:52:08,560 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 1: Are gonna try different things.

2380
01:52:10,080 --> 01:52:12,720
Speaker 2: But this is gonna change the the NIL is going

2381
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:15,360
Speaker 2: to change the NFL is specifically the NFL Draft.

2382
01:52:15,400 --> 01:52:16,679
Speaker 1: It's just gonna take a little bit longer.

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01:52:16,680 --> 01:52:16,800
Speaker 3: There.

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01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:19,400
Speaker 1: There's I think there's really two big changes to it,

2385
01:52:19,479 --> 01:52:21,599
Speaker 1: and then and then we'll wrap it up. The first

2386
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:25,120
Speaker 1: one is is that the draft classes in terms of

2387
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:29,040
Speaker 1: draftable players are much smaller because a lot of these

2388
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:32,080
Speaker 1: guys except this year, no I think this year, you know,

2389
01:52:32,360 --> 01:52:36,120
Speaker 1: rounds like six and seven this year are really udfa's already.

2390
01:52:36,680 --> 01:52:38,880
Speaker 1: So basically, well, you have this other thing now where

2391
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:41,840
Speaker 1: there's less early declares, right because those guys are going

2392
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,240
Speaker 1: back to school where they're still getting paid, they're still

2393
01:52:44,240 --> 01:52:44,679
Speaker 1: getting paid.

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01:52:44,680 --> 01:52:47,920
Speaker 2: Well, you have this other weird thing now where this

2395
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:50,840
Speaker 2: is not really an nil thing, but I guess it

2396
01:52:50,920 --> 01:52:51,280
Speaker 2: kind of is.

2397
01:52:51,320 --> 01:52:54,080
Speaker 1: Because guys have a certain base level of what they want.

2398
01:52:54,479 --> 01:52:55,840
Speaker 1: Teams now.

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01:52:57,320 --> 01:52:59,680
Speaker 2: And u udfa is are getting more expensive because you're

2400
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:02,120
Speaker 2: bidding against people. We saw the Patriots do this last year.

2401
01:53:02,240 --> 01:53:05,320
Speaker 2: Teams are just trying to acquire seventh round picks, and

2402
01:53:05,479 --> 01:53:07,719
Speaker 2: you get the guys you would sign as udfas anyway,

2403
01:53:07,720 --> 01:53:09,120
Speaker 2: but you don't have to negotiate for him. You get

2404
01:53:09,200 --> 01:53:10,960
Speaker 2: him on a second contract and you get him cheaper,

2405
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:12,400
Speaker 2: and you get him cheap, right, That's what I'm saying,

2406
01:53:12,439 --> 01:53:14,040
Speaker 2: get him cheaper and you get him for an extra year.

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01:53:14,120 --> 01:53:15,599
Speaker 1: The other thing that I think is going to really

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01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:17,599
Speaker 1: impact the draft is what we're seeing with this draft,

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01:53:17,800 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 1: and we mostly talk about it with the quarterbacks, but

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01:53:20,840 --> 01:53:22,880
Speaker 1: one these kids are transferring.

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01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:23,320
Speaker 4: Right.

2412
01:53:23,560 --> 01:53:26,599
Speaker 1: So Jaden Daniels goes from Arizona State, Right, I always

2413
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:29,920
Speaker 1: got to confuse Arizona State Arizona State to LSU, And

2414
01:53:29,960 --> 01:53:32,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden he's playing with Malik Neighbors and

2415
01:53:32,040 --> 01:53:34,559
Speaker 1: Brian Thomas Junior and he wins a Heisman Trophy. Bo

2416
01:53:34,720 --> 01:53:38,799
Speaker 1: Nicks goes from Auburn to Oregon. He was awful at Auburn,

2417
01:53:39,080 --> 01:53:41,320
Speaker 1: awful two years at Oregon. Now all of a sudden,

2418
01:53:41,320 --> 01:53:43,320
Speaker 1: we're talking about him as a potential end of the round,

2419
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:47,320
Speaker 1: first round pick. Not only are they older, not only

2420
01:53:47,360 --> 01:53:49,920
Speaker 1: have they been in college in six years. Michael Petto's

2421
01:53:49,920 --> 01:53:52,599
Speaker 1: in the same category. They're dominating college football at twenty

2422
01:53:52,640 --> 01:53:56,320
Speaker 1: four years old. Potentially everybody's going to be twenty three

2423
01:53:56,360 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 1: twenty four's at my point is is that that's an

2424
01:53:59,520 --> 01:54:03,760
Speaker 1: adjustment that you have to make because Jaden Daniels, even

2425
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:07,960
Speaker 1: though it's not necessarily I'm not necessarily too scared of it,

2426
01:54:08,000 --> 01:54:11,200
Speaker 1: but Jaden Daniels at Arizona State was a much different

2427
01:54:11,240 --> 01:54:14,080
Speaker 1: quarterback than he was at LSU. So the question is,

2428
01:54:14,439 --> 01:54:18,519
Speaker 1: did Jaden Daniels come to LSU and mature and grow

2429
01:54:18,640 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 1: and develop and get better, which I think is most

2430
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:24,479
Speaker 1: of it, or did he get to LSU and he

2431
01:54:24,600 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 1: just had LSU playmakers. It's wide.

2432
01:54:27,280 --> 01:54:29,880
Speaker 2: The other problem that's gonna happen, and we've talked about this,

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01:54:30,000 --> 01:54:31,759
Speaker 2: Drake may is going to be one of the last

2434
01:54:31,800 --> 01:54:33,680
Speaker 2: of this league. The whole Oh, he had a super

2435
01:54:33,720 --> 01:54:35,600
Speaker 2: team around him. I wouldn't draft him they're all going

2436
01:54:35,680 --> 01:54:38,280
Speaker 2: to have super teams around him because the receiver, they're

2437
01:54:38,280 --> 01:54:40,360
Speaker 2: all going to gravitate to each other to pump up

2438
01:54:40,360 --> 01:54:42,920
Speaker 2: each other to draft right. They're going to form super

2439
01:54:42,920 --> 01:54:46,080
Speaker 2: teams in college, Drake, you're not. Cam Newton's twenty eleven

2440
01:54:46,120 --> 01:54:47,840
Speaker 2: season is already an ally. If you don't know, Cam

2441
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:50,839
Speaker 2: Newton won a national championship with a bunch of bombs.

2442
01:54:51,880 --> 01:54:54,880
Speaker 2: None of his receivers caught a pass in the NFL,

2443
01:54:54,920 --> 01:54:57,080
Speaker 2: and I don't think anybody. I don't think any of

2444
01:54:57,120 --> 01:54:59,680
Speaker 2: his lineman plays a snap in the NFL like it

2445
01:54:59,720 --> 01:55:02,880
Speaker 2: was no he carried that. You're never going to see

2446
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:05,120
Speaker 2: that again. You are never ever. If you're a quarterback,

2447
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:07,360
Speaker 2: that's worth a damn. Your receiver that's worth of damn.

2448
01:55:07,480 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 2: You're teaming up with other guys of a similar calivers.

2449
01:55:09,720 --> 01:55:11,720
Speaker 2: You all make each other better and you all help

2450
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:12,440
Speaker 2: each other make.

2451
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:14,920
Speaker 1: Which is going to make it difficult to evaluate. Yep.

2452
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:17,680
Speaker 1: Is this the quarterback? Is this the receivers on both sides?

2453
01:55:17,720 --> 01:55:20,080
Speaker 2: You know, but you can't say I won't take a

2454
01:55:20,160 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 2: quarterback that's on a super team. If that's going to

2455
01:55:22,160 --> 01:55:24,960
Speaker 2: be your stance, just know you're get ready to take

2456
01:55:24,960 --> 01:55:26,920
Speaker 2: a bunch of FCS guys and cross your fingers.

2457
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:28,760
Speaker 1: That's what your plan is going to be at that point.

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01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:33,000
Speaker 1: All right, well, they're good good. I am all for

2459
01:55:33,400 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 1: good college football time, right there. I'm all for pay

2460
01:55:36,160 --> 01:55:39,120
Speaker 1: players getting paid, power to the players. Yeah, I am

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01:55:39,320 --> 01:55:43,360
Speaker 1: so anti this regularly, Charlie Baker. Let's go, all right,

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