Speaker 1: Drive Time with Travis Wingfield begins. Now, let me check
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Speaker 2: What is up? Dolphins?
Speaker 3: And welcome to the Draft Time Podcast, part of the
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Speaker 3: How's it going everybody? I am your host, Travis Wingfield.
Speaker 3: And on today's show, we're gonna welcome in the Giants
Speaker 3: Perspective from John Schmelk. He does radio and podcast for
Speaker 3: the Giants podcast Network up there in New York. Plus
Speaker 3: we'll hear from the assistant coaches and pick the week
Speaker 3: five games in the National Football League. All of that
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Speaker 2: This is the Draft Time Podcast.
Speaker 3: Maggie Gaffie, Sir, as we do every single Thursday. Let's
Speaker 3: kick off this episode with my guest, the Giants Perspective.
Speaker 3: John Schmelk joining me today for our crossover from the
Speaker 3: Giants perspective for this week five game down here at
Speaker 3: hard Rock Stadium. Is the host of an on the
Speaker 3: Giants podcast Network. He does pre and post both radio
Speaker 3: and podcasts with the New York Giants. He is John Schmelk.
Speaker 3: Almost got It wrong there, John, John, thank you for
Speaker 3: your time today. Appreciate you coming in here with us.
Speaker 1: Grab is happy to do it.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 1: How's it going down there?
Speaker 2: It's going pretty good.
Speaker 3: I know that as the weather turns poor for most
Speaker 3: places around the country this time of year, it starts
Speaker 3: to get nicer for us in terms of not melting.
Speaker 3: So that's always a very welcome site, although Sunday should
Speaker 3: be a nice little sweat box down here for the
Speaker 3: traveling Giants. And the Giants come into this game at
Speaker 3: one to three. And on these podcasts, John, I always
Speaker 3: start at the quarterback position because where else would you start.
Speaker 3: And Daniel Jones was a pretty big storyline this offseason
Speaker 3: getting the big contract extension, and like I know, it's
Speaker 3: been tough going for the offense with the sacks piling
Speaker 3: up the last couple of weeks. But coming off a
Speaker 3: year last year where Jones played good enough ball to
Speaker 3: earn that contract extension, what do you think that he
Speaker 3: can do to get back to that aside from the
Speaker 3: surrounding circumstances, i e.
Speaker 2: Pass protection.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I think at least last week, especially
Speaker 5: in the first half, I think you saw the mental
Speaker 5: toll the hits he had taken in the first three
Speaker 5: weeks of the season had kind of you know, put
Speaker 5: on him because even in the first half against Seattle,
Speaker 5: I thought going back and rewatching the all twenty two,
Speaker 5: I thought the pass protection was was good enough. And
Speaker 5: I just think there were times where he was a
Speaker 5: little jittery back there, which by the way, is understandable
Speaker 5: given how much he's He's taken a beating over the
Speaker 5: first three weeks, and I just think he needs to
Speaker 5: make some better decisions. You know, a lot of his
Speaker 5: interceptions have been bad luck in terms of you know,
Speaker 5: passes hitting off of players and getting knocked in the
Speaker 5: air and going to defensive back. So I think that
Speaker 5: number is probably a little bit more inflated based on
Speaker 5: his level of play. But you know, you just can't
Speaker 5: make the type of decision and throw he made against
Speaker 5: Seattle on the fourth quarter when they have it first
Speaker 5: in goal at the five, and he probably throws it
Speaker 5: to the wrong player on the play, and he also
Speaker 5: throws it outside when he should have throw it inside,
Speaker 5: and that turns into a pick six, and instead of
Speaker 5: it being potentially fourteen to six or fourteen to ten,
Speaker 5: it's twenty one. To three and then all of a
Speaker 5: sudden the wheels fall off in and that the game
Speaker 5: just becomes a disaster. So, you know, just avoid those
Speaker 5: type of mistakes, be a little try to be more
Speaker 5: comfortable in the pocket if you can. You know, if
Speaker 5: Andrew Thomas and John Michael Schmids aren't gonna play this week,
Speaker 5: and I'm sure we'll get to that, that's gonna make
Speaker 5: it probably difficult to feel comfortable in the pocket, to
Speaker 5: be quite honest with you, But I think those are
Speaker 5: the things he's gonna have to do because he's gonna
Speaker 5: have to get the ball down feel a little bit.
Speaker 5: Last week, the Giants just said two pass attempts, not
Speaker 5: completions attempts Travis of ten plus air yards. I mean,
Speaker 5: it is a really low number. It has to be
Speaker 5: better than that moving forward if the Giants want to
Speaker 5: become a more dynamic offense.
Speaker 3: You sometimes see that for twenty plus airyard throws, right
Speaker 3: those two high shells and sometimes three high shells to
Speaker 3: prevent teams from taking the vertical shots they want to.
Speaker 3: But yeah, nothing beyond ten yards besides those two passes
Speaker 3: was pretty surprising for me to see on that next
Speaker 3: gen chart and you kind of touched on two follow
Speaker 3: ups I have here regarding that question and answer.
Speaker 2: One of those is the availability the offensive line.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put that on the back burner because I
Speaker 3: want to ask you about, you know, some of the
Speaker 3: scenes on the sidelines there with Dable and Daniel Jones,
Speaker 3: some of the frustration boiling over because you know, last year,
Speaker 3: first year there, dab All arrives and Daniel Jones has
Speaker 3: his best year as a pro, and again going back
Speaker 3: to the contract, he earns that and they put their
Speaker 3: faith in the quarterback going forward. But when you're winning games,
Speaker 3: not so much tests of adversity in terms of trying
Speaker 3: to overcome that stuff. I just wanted to get your
Speaker 3: perspective on what you saw play out there in terms
Speaker 3: of that dialogue back and forth, the sideline shots, and
Speaker 3: how you think maybe they can grow from that and
Speaker 3: get better from here.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Look, I mean that's just I think both players, both
Speaker 5: the player and coach being a little frustrated.
Speaker 1: Brian Dabele thought.
Speaker 5: He dialed up the right play and if you look
Speaker 5: at it, you know there might have been an opportunity
Speaker 5: to get the ball the waller going towards the back
Speaker 5: of the end zone there, and I think he was
Speaker 5: basically showing Daniel Jones what he thought he saw on
Speaker 5: the tablet, and you know, I think he at that
Speaker 5: point was just frustrated. You know, he basically, you know,
Speaker 5: tossed the tablet into the lap of Sha Tyranny, the
Speaker 5: quarterbacks coach. And look, Brian David was an emotional guy.
Speaker 5: It's gonna happen. There isn't any issue at the relationship.
Speaker 5: The guys trust each other. Dable and Jones get along
Speaker 5: really well. I don't see that being an issue. I
Speaker 5: think that's just the heat of the action, emotional game
Speaker 5: type of sideline thing that probably within the team is
Speaker 5: already forgotten.
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I'm sure it's one of those things that kind
Speaker 3: of makes you know better going forward. They can have
Speaker 3: those honest conversations and come back and assess and correct
Speaker 3: the following day. Now, you mentioned a couple of offensive
Speaker 3: linemen and their potential availability, I should say Andrew Thomas,
Speaker 3: John Michael Schmidt and also Shane Lemieux in there as well.
Speaker 3: My first question is what do you think we'll see
Speaker 3: on Sunday in terms of the lineup, And then number two,
Speaker 3: as far as the pass protection goes. Is it as
Speaker 3: simple as getting your franchise pro Bowl level left tackle back.
Speaker 3: Is that going to be something that can get things
Speaker 3: sworded from them up front?
Speaker 1: Well? Help?
Speaker 5: I mean it's been a he heard himself in a
Speaker 5: week one. He hasn't played since, and the pass probe
Speaker 5: has been disastrous.
Speaker 1: So yeah, that would go a long way.
Speaker 5: Given as of this recording, he has not practiced yet
Speaker 5: this week, I would say it's not looking great. John
Speaker 5: Michael Schmid's hurt a shoulder on a quarterback sneak attemp
Speaker 5: last week. He did not practice on Wednesday. We'll see
Speaker 5: if he practices on Thursday. But you know, Ben Brettison's
Speaker 5: a veteran, they'll move him from guard to center. If
Speaker 5: Schmids can't go, You'll probably have josh Azudu, who they
Speaker 5: drafted as a guard out at left tackle, which is
Speaker 5: obviously not what you want. Veteran Mark Lewinski will play
Speaker 5: left guard probably, and Marcus McKeithen, who's a second year player,
Speaker 5: will be a right guard with Evan Neil at right tackle.
Speaker 5: And look, and I think even more so than the
Speaker 5: Andrew Thomas thing, I think the right side of the
Speaker 5: line just has to play better. Evan Neil's been very consistent.
Speaker 5: Marcus McKeithen has been inconsistent at the start of his career.
Speaker 5: So I think those two guys just have to be
Speaker 5: better at keeping guys out of the backfield.
Speaker 1: But yeah, of course.
Speaker 5: Getting Andrew Thomas back and having John Michael Schmidz healthy,
Speaker 5: because I do think Bretison is a better guard than
Speaker 5: he is a center, would certainly go a long way too.
Speaker 3: John, you live in a different world than us in
Speaker 3: terms of the market and how things are covered up there. Obviously,
Speaker 3: the New York media can be pretty pretty harsh, and
Speaker 3: you've i mean, whether it's winning or you know, headlines,
Speaker 3: it seems to be like there's always something good for
Speaker 3: the New York sports franchises this part of across all sports,
Speaker 3: right football, baseball, basketball. It's been a rough go recently,
Speaker 3: but you get the headlines this week, obviously the sideline
Speaker 3: stuff with Jones and Dable, but the Evan Neil stuff.
Speaker 3: You mentioned his name there, he's kind of been in
Speaker 3: the limelight as well. I'm just curious if you think
Speaker 3: all this stuff is will it reveal like character in
Speaker 3: terms of how they respond. Do you think it could potentially,
Speaker 3: you know, derail them. What do you make of all
Speaker 3: the noise going on right now and how the Giants
Speaker 3: potentially respond from all that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I would push the sideline stuff away, but I
Speaker 5: do think, you know, I'm sure Brian Dabele has already
Speaker 5: talked to Evian Neil about what he said. And I
Speaker 5: don't think there's any problem with players saying I can't
Speaker 5: concern myself with other people.
Speaker 1: Think I just got to play my game.
Speaker 5: You know, that's something that players all the time, but
Speaker 5: you shouldn't, you know, take shots at the fan base
Speaker 5: that pays a lot of money to go see you
Speaker 5: play and is the reason you have a job, because
Speaker 5: if fans don't go see games, you can't pay players
Speaker 5: and just go right down the line. So I'm sure
Speaker 5: Brian Dabill have Evanuil walk that back, and he should
Speaker 5: walk it back because it's something he should have said.
Speaker 5: So you don't really know the character of a team
Speaker 5: until they face a lot of adversity and how they
Speaker 5: deal with it. And this is adversity right now. So
Speaker 5: I think we're gonna see how this team pulls together.
Speaker 5: I have faith in the players and the coaching staff
Speaker 5: that they'll be able to do it. But I think
Speaker 5: it's something that you know, we'll see how it develops.
Speaker 5: Hopefully they'll get a win over the next couple of weeks.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be tough at Miami at Buffalo, but you know,
Speaker 5: when it gets tough, that's when you learn about the
Speaker 5: character and the chemistry and the togetherness of a group.
Speaker 1: But I think we'll learn about that over the next
Speaker 1: few weeks.
Speaker 3: I think we'll get two hungry teams in this game
Speaker 3: on Sunday as the Dolphins kind of facing their first
Speaker 3: bit of adversity with a substantial loss up in Buffalo
Speaker 3: in a big game against their rival up there, and
Speaker 3: for the Giants, potentially the return of I mean, I
Speaker 3: would say their best offensive player in Saquon Barkley. Saw
Speaker 3: him getting some limited work in practice on Wednesday and Thursday.
Speaker 3: What do you think about his potential availability and what
Speaker 3: kind of difference can he make if he returns to
Speaker 3: the lineup.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he is a real chance to play,
Speaker 5: and look, it makes a huge difference, is one I
Speaker 5: think we've seen. You know, one of the few weaknesses
Speaker 5: of Miami's defense might be their rushing defense. You know, look,
Speaker 5: at some of the numbers, they aren't quite up there
Speaker 5: with a lot of the other you know, stats on
Speaker 5: both sides of the ball. And he's the Giants' most
Speaker 5: dynamic offensive player in terms of dietting the ball in
Speaker 5: his hands. He can go make something happen. You know,
Speaker 5: Darren wall is probably the second name on that list. So, yeah,
Speaker 5: getting Saquon Barkley back would be a big deal. You
Speaker 5: look at the numbers in terms of just offensive production,
Speaker 5: even Daniel Jones's numbers, when Saquon is playing, they all
Speaker 5: go up as opposed to when he's not. So it
Speaker 5: would be a huge help. And I think, you know,
Speaker 5: the Giants aren't an offense that would be able to
Speaker 5: hang with Miami, you know if they get to where
Speaker 5: they usually get in terms of points per game, which is,
Speaker 5: you know, thirty seven and a half. So I think
Speaker 5: the Giants would want to dirty this game a little bit,
Speaker 5: dirty it up, run the football, rely on Saquon Barkley
Speaker 5: and and try to keep the game in the twenties
Speaker 5: that they can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's amazing man.
Speaker 3: The ability to get back from the injury that was
Speaker 3: supposed to hold him out for I don't know, a
Speaker 3: lot longer than that, how apparently, But these guys heel
Speaker 3: so fast compared to you and I let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and flip it over to the defensive side of the
Speaker 3: football here and talk about an area that the Giants
Speaker 3: have been pretty productive this year.
Speaker 2: Up front.
Speaker 3: You know, Dexter, Lawrence cave On Thibodeau had a big
Speaker 3: game on Monday Night as well.
Speaker 2: How have you seen teams kind of attack.
Speaker 3: This defensive line, this pass rush front that wants to
Speaker 3: send blitzer after blitzer after blitzer.
Speaker 2: How have teams successfully handled that? And teams that have
Speaker 2: not where have been kind of the shortcomings in that regard?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they have blitzed a lot. You're not wrong.
Speaker 5: They're They're blitzer rate against the forty nine ers on
Speaker 5: that Thursday night game, for example, was set an NFL
Speaker 5: record only be broken by the Vikings on that following Sunday.
Speaker 5: In terms of blitz rate, It's amazing how it goes.
Speaker 5: And you guys are well familiar with blitzing. Given the
Speaker 5: defensive courting you guys used to have up there, you know,
Speaker 5: they have not been able to get home on the
Speaker 5: quarterback as much as they would like. You know, teams
Speaker 5: have gotten the ball out relatively quickly, and I think
Speaker 5: you know, the pass rush and the coverage always works
Speaker 5: hand in hand. And the Giants came out this year
Speaker 5: and I'm sure you'll get to the corners started two
Speaker 5: rookie corners with Trey Hawkins and Deontay Banks. They moved
Speaker 5: the veteran of Dory Jackson inside. They've now put Cordell
Speaker 5: Flat inside and put a Dory Jackson back outside. Trey
Speaker 5: Hawkins did not play a defensive snap last week, so
Speaker 5: IM my guess is that they'll probably go with that
Speaker 5: again this week. Dexter Lawrence has been getting his normal pressures,
Speaker 5: even Leonard Williams. They just haven't forced quarterbacks to hold
Speaker 5: the ball long enough for them to get home. And
Speaker 5: the edge rushers. Azol Jalari has been hurt, but once
Speaker 5: he got back last week, he got pressures. Keevon Thibodau
Speaker 5: had his best game of the year, so that should
Speaker 5: be the strength of this defense. They just haven't been
Speaker 5: able to put enough production up there and create enough
Speaker 5: negative plays up front, whether it's tackled for losses or sacks,
Speaker 5: to really set opposing offenses back.
Speaker 3: John Shmilk my guest here on the Draft Time podcast.
Speaker 3: You can find him on the Giants Podcast network as
Speaker 3: well pre and post game on radio also up there
Speaker 3: in the New York area. And you know, we talk
Speaker 3: about how this Dolphins how to attack this Dolphins offense.
Speaker 3: You just mentioned the pass rush, and that's obviously a
Speaker 3: key to get to uncomfortable and off of his spot.
Speaker 3: But I think the most important thing we've seen from
Speaker 3: teams that have had success against the Dolphins offense the
Speaker 3: last two years is that second level of the defense
Speaker 3: and those off ball linebackers and their ability to both
Speaker 3: play the run and get the depth on those drops
Speaker 3: take away some of that deep, middle of past, middle
Speaker 3: of the field passing and the Dolphins love to excel with.
Speaker 3: How has Bobby Okareki and Isaiah Simmons fit into the folder.
Speaker 3: I know Michael McFadden plays a lot there, but I
Speaker 3: look at Okareki and Simmons is two very athletic and
Speaker 3: long players that can do a little bit of that
Speaker 3: front and back stuff. How have you seen them impact
Speaker 3: the game so far?
Speaker 5: Yes, Simmons has been more of a part time player
Speaker 5: since they brought him in. They brought him in at
Speaker 5: the end of August or beginning of September, maybe even
Speaker 5: as a for seventh round draft pick, as someone to
Speaker 5: help out the linebacker cord. They were trying to find
Speaker 5: that player to put next to Okaa Ke at middle linebacker.
Speaker 5: You know, like, for example, last week, I'm looking at
Speaker 5: the snap counts right now, Isaiah Simmons played eighteen snaps
Speaker 5: and that he's probably the most he's playing on defense
Speaker 5: so far this year. But it's like thirty five percent
Speaker 5: of the snaps. That's kind of where he's been. He's
Speaker 5: been a situational pass rusher things like that. So I
Speaker 5: don't think they've really found the perfect role for him
Speaker 5: quite yet. But oh Kara Kay has been big for them,
Speaker 5: you know, the Giants defense. When issue they've had this
Speaker 5: year is tackling has been inconsistent. They had one play
Speaker 5: against Seattle even when Noah Fank got down the sideline
Speaker 5: broke a couple of tackles ended up getting the ball
Speaker 5: down to the one. But other than that play, I
Speaker 5: thought the tackling was better against Seattle after being frankly
Speaker 5: poor against San Francisco, Arizona and Dallas. So that that's
Speaker 5: gonna have to get a little bit better as they
Speaker 5: move forward here, and I think oka Ka is a
Speaker 5: big part of that. He's the guy in the middle
Speaker 5: that leads the defense. He has sidelined the sideline speed,
Speaker 5: he can run, he's smart. He'd a handful of tackles
Speaker 5: for loss in the run game against Seattle last Monday night.
Speaker 1: So he's been a huge part of the defense for sure.
Speaker 3: So you touched on the defensive backs there a little
Speaker 3: bit because I was looking at the youth in that
Speaker 3: defensive backfield, Banks and Trey Hawkins, and obviously Cordell flowed
Speaker 3: up there as well. Do you like you talked about
Speaker 3: a little bit, but I just want to kind of
Speaker 3: get some more in terms of what you expect to
Speaker 3: see with rotation and also how the safeties kind of
Speaker 3: impact this game, because the one of the players I
Speaker 3: spoke to back when he was coming out the same
Speaker 3: year as Tua was Xavier McKinney, and he talked a
Speaker 3: little bit about their battles and practice back at Alabama
Speaker 3: in terms of two of trying to look him off
Speaker 3: and him trying to bait Tua into throws. Just curious
Speaker 3: to see how he kind of, you know, drives that
Speaker 3: defensive backfield maybe helps those young guys up front.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean McKinney's probably their best defensive back at
Speaker 5: this point. He hasn't made a ton of plays on
Speaker 5: the ball in his NFL career so far, but he's
Speaker 5: always in the right spot. He anticipates well, and I
Speaker 5: think that will be a battle between him and Two
Speaker 5: throughout the game, where Two is trying to find that
Speaker 5: space in the middle of the field that the Dolphins
Speaker 5: are still good of exploiting and McKinney trying to help
Speaker 5: shut that down. He's tried to help. But look, rookie Corners,
Speaker 5: you know, you know how this works, Travis, Rookie Corners.
Speaker 5: Even if you're good, it's rare you're good in your
Speaker 5: first year. It's just it's very difficult. Not everyone saw
Speaker 5: us Gardner, right. So DeAnda Banks has been solid. You know,
Speaker 5: he does really good bump and run. Sometimes he gets
Speaker 5: a little bit too physical deeper down the field. He's
Speaker 5: had a couple like legal contact penalties. He doesn't get
Speaker 5: his head around necessarily as well as you might like
Speaker 5: at the catch point. We saw that for that with
Speaker 5: that DK Metcalf touchdown pass on Monday Night Football where
Speaker 5: Metcalf kind of loalled them to sleep and Banks did
Speaker 5: not anticipate the pass coming that turned into a touchdown.
Speaker 5: You know, not playing Trey Hawkins last week was a surprise.
Speaker 5: There wasn't any sign of that the week prior in
Speaker 5: terms of what the coaches were talking about. But I
Speaker 5: would assume given the defense probably played their best game
Speaker 5: of the year. In Week four, we will see the
Speaker 5: similar setup in the secondary. So you'll have Banks on
Speaker 5: one corner, you'll have a Doorga Jackson on the other,
Speaker 5: and then when they go to nickel, Cordell Flatt will
Speaker 5: come in and play inside, and I imagine the Dolphins
Speaker 5: will probably be you know, yeah in eleven most of
Speaker 5: the time, or least have three wide receivers out there. Look,
Speaker 5: you guys do use the pull back too, so we'll
Speaker 5: see how that works. But I imagine that's gonna be the setup.
Speaker 5: So Jackson and Banks to start, and then Flatt will
Speaker 5: be the nickel, will move into the slot when he
Speaker 5: comes in.
Speaker 2: That's perfect.
Speaker 3: I always love to look up the opposing defensive backs
Speaker 3: forty times and three cone times and how they move,
Speaker 3: because obviously the two guys we have on the perimeter
Speaker 3: down here move pretty well. But yeah, thanks gosh, his
Speaker 3: workout numbers were thin. He blew me away. When I
Speaker 3: looked those up. He was like almost a perfect almost
Speaker 3: one of the top dbs of all time in terms
Speaker 3: of the way they measure, you know, the physical traits
Speaker 3: that he brings to the table. So good stuff there.
Speaker 3: I end these episodes the same way every time, John.
Speaker 3: The Giants will win this game if and then you
Speaker 3: fill in the blank.
Speaker 1: They muddy it up.
Speaker 5: Saquon Barkley runs for a lot of yards, they keep
Speaker 5: the Dolphins under thirty points. Saquon breaks a couple of
Speaker 5: long ones. The Giants do not have to take away
Speaker 5: this year. Yeah, Travis, They're gonna need a couple of those.
Speaker 5: If they want to beat the Dolphins. They're gonna have
Speaker 5: to get a takeaway, and they haven't gotten one yet.
Speaker 1: They're desperate for one.
Speaker 5: They're gonna have to get one or probably two to
Speaker 5: beat the Dolphins this week. And then defensively, you know,
Speaker 5: I think you have to cloud the middle of the
Speaker 5: field as much as you can. I think, you know,
Speaker 5: you make to a throw to the perimeter. You don't
Speaker 5: let them just pepper the middle of the field endlessly,
Speaker 5: which is so proficient at and so good at and
Speaker 5: I think that's how you do it. You know, the
Speaker 5: Dolphins run game is underrated. It's you know, they don't
Speaker 5: have big names, but they're just so effective with the
Speaker 5: way Mike McDaniel schemes it up. You know, make sure
Speaker 5: you tackle muddy the middle of the field, force a
Speaker 5: couple of takeaways, and then run the ball on offense.
Speaker 5: And I think that's your formula.
Speaker 2: Good stuff there. I appreciate your time today, John.
Speaker 3: Why don't go ahead and tell the folks where they
Speaker 3: can find you for coverage on Dolphins and Giantsweak number
Speaker 3: five down here at hard Rock Stadium.
Speaker 2: Let the folks know where they can find you, John.
Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely, pregame and postgame on WFN up here in
Speaker 5: New York, and then our podcast network. You can check
Speaker 5: out Big Blue Kickoff Live and the Giants Huddle podcast,
Speaker 5: which is our two major podcasts we have on our
Speaker 5: podcast network. Check them out just go to the Giants
Speaker 5: app or search for them on your favorite podcast platform.
Speaker 3: Travis, I appreciate it. John was playing her today. By
Speaker 3: the way, guys, Strip Thrower here doing a podcast with us.
Speaker 3: Appreciate your time today, sir, and we'll see you out there.
Speaker 2: On Sunday.
Speaker 3: Sounds good man, and there he goes. Let's go ahead
Speaker 3: and take our first break right there. Come back on
Speaker 3: the other side. Here from coach Fangio, Frank Smith, Wes Welker,
Speaker 3: Austin Clark. All that next Draft Time podcast to your
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Speaker 3: into the practice. So if you hear that, I do
Speaker 3: apologize for it. Let's go ahead and pick it up
Speaker 3: here in segment number two with the assistant coaches we
Speaker 3: heard from on Thursday, Vic incredibly brief in this press conference.
Speaker 3: If you want to check it out, I believe it'll
Speaker 3: be on the YouTube channel, just not a lot in there,
Speaker 3: as well as Coach Crossman and Austin Clark. I wanted
Speaker 3: to focus on Frank Smith and Wes Welker and start
Speaker 3: here with coach Smith because he was asked about Devon
Speaker 3: a Chan's understanding of the offense and how he was
Speaker 3: able to go from inactive and Week one to the
Speaker 3: NFL's most productive running back the last two weeks so far,
Speaker 3: with Denver and Buffalo games in mind and how that
Speaker 3: might you know, play out over the course of the
Speaker 3: rest of the season. And he touches on here the
Speaker 3: work ethic and the way that a chan is wired
Speaker 3: and how he is able to process things, and you know,
Speaker 3: the same tropes you hear over and over again, not
Speaker 3: making the same mistake twice. But I do think it's
Speaker 3: valid in the sense that you can go back to
Speaker 3: my chat with Jimbo Fisher or really any you know,
Speaker 3: credited draft nick that did deep dives on player profiles
Speaker 3: who told you this kid just works, he only knows football,
Speaker 3: and his coach, Fisher totals, doesn't really worry about going
Speaker 3: out on Friday nights. He just wants to bury himself
Speaker 3: in the playbook and the weight room and be the
Speaker 3: best football player he can be. And I think there's
Speaker 3: a lesson to be learned there. When you pair elite
Speaker 3: athlete with that type of work ethic and that type
Speaker 3: of mindset, you typically get the correct result of the player.
Speaker 3: And now not always, because I distinctly remember I used
Speaker 3: to be on the Dolphins message boards Finn Heaven back
Speaker 3: in the day, and when Dion Jordan got drafted I
Speaker 3: remember that conversation about how he works and how he
Speaker 3: was always so prepared at organ and it's like, well,
Speaker 3: he also has these elite physical traits.
Speaker 2: No way he busts right.
Speaker 1: But he did.
Speaker 3: But with a Chan hasn't been the case. The work
Speaker 3: ethic with the elite level physical skills has turned into
Speaker 3: one of the most explosive options in the National Football League.
Speaker 3: And so here's Frank Smith talking about Devon ah Chan's
Speaker 3: understanding of the offense and the progress he made from
Speaker 3: day one back in OTAs to now as one of
Speaker 3: the leading rushers in the National Football League.
Speaker 6: You know, when you're in college or as your progression
Speaker 6: goes through football high school, college, professional level, it's at
Speaker 6: first it's always it's just the volume is less. So
Speaker 6: by the time you get to the NFL, you just realize,
Speaker 6: like the mistake a lot of rookies make, oh, I'll
Speaker 6: be okay because you remember your last experience. The challenge
Speaker 6: they get is the volume that comes with it, because
Speaker 6: you know we have more time with them and it's
Speaker 6: a longer season and a longer hold process towards the
Speaker 6: first game. So with Devaughan, yes, but it's all about
Speaker 6: your approach and how do you handle the process and
Speaker 6: the volume, and you know, how do we as coaches
Speaker 6: make sure the progression comes down in the right way
Speaker 6: and so he can grow and develop appropriately. And I
Speaker 6: think with him, uh, you know, it's not being in
Speaker 6: a rush of in spring and training camp. You know,
Speaker 6: it's every failure, isn't you know, an over a reaction
Speaker 6: of why that occurags going Okay, if it was a
Speaker 6: good result, okay, reinforce the process. If it wasn't the
Speaker 6: the result we're looking for, okay, correct the process of
Speaker 6: you know, how are you looking at things? What what
Speaker 6: in your intent made you think to do that? And
Speaker 6: I think that's just been the great thing. I know
Speaker 6: that Eric's really worked with him. And then you're also
Speaker 6: learning the conversation and dialogue with your position coach, with
Speaker 6: your you know, coordinator or the head coach. So I
Speaker 6: think that's just like all rookies, that's part of the process.
Speaker 6: And you know, how do you accelerate the process. What
Speaker 6: comes into all their approach, to their detail, how much
Speaker 6: extra work they put in, all these things that factor in.
Speaker 6: And then you know, sometimes wide receivers tight ends are
Speaker 6: a little harder. When we have to move them all
Speaker 6: over the place where you know running backs, obviously there's
Speaker 6: their natural positions and then there's their external positions. And
Speaker 6: for him, I know that all the extra work that
Speaker 6: he's done with Eric has really helped. And off to
Speaker 6: start speaking Spanish. Don't see if he really does understand it.
Speaker 3: That Spanish reference there was regards to what something DeVaughn
Speaker 3: said in the locker room regarding how the offense was
Speaker 3: at first like learning a new language, like learning how
Speaker 3: to speak Spanish, and now it's second nature. Coach Smith
Speaker 3: was also asked about the environment in Buffalo and whether
Speaker 3: or not the crowd, noise and the Rockets fans there
Speaker 3: contributed to the dolphins inability to get some of their
Speaker 3: looks they wanted, as well as some of the pre
Speaker 3: snap in fractions, which were much more substantial this week
Speaker 3: than they had been the first three games of the season.
Speaker 3: Here's coach talking about that, but also the lessons you
Speaker 3: can learn playing a game like that in a playoff
Speaker 3: environment early in the season, which I think goes back
Speaker 3: to what McDaniel has said in the past right about
Speaker 3: how the best the Super Bowl teams typically come from
Speaker 3: divisions where there's multiple playoff teams because you get those
Speaker 3: tests early in the season, hopefully from Miami this week four,
Speaker 3: gaming as Buffalo that didn't get the result they wanted
Speaker 3: can provide dividends.
Speaker 2: Down the road.
Speaker 3: Here's coach Smith on the hostile environment and how that
Speaker 3: challenged things for the Dolphins offense communication wise, pre snap
Speaker 3: motions and pre snap infractions.
Speaker 6: Now you evaluate all scenarios for what occurs, and that
Speaker 6: was game foward is great test for us. I mean
Speaker 6: it was a playoff type environment, you know, and when
Speaker 6: you can get those early in the season, it's great
Speaker 6: ability to learn. So what we do and how we operate.
Speaker 6: I mean, I wouldn't say that. I mean, obviously there's
Speaker 6: scenarios and situations where we have to you know, maybe adjust,
Speaker 6: you know, some of the things that we came out
Speaker 6: of that game. We feel very confident that we'll be
Speaker 6: able to, you know, make the corrections going forward. The
Speaker 6: hardest thing is when you have the week before you
Speaker 6: come out from one performance, is that it looks like
Speaker 6: it's in such contrast and reality is there's a couple
Speaker 6: of things that we know we can improve on that
Speaker 6: allow us to have great growth in the second quarter
Speaker 6: of the season, and you know that's what we're really
Speaker 6: addressing us, Dray and going to continue today.
Speaker 3: Let's get now to wide receiver coach Wes Welker, who
Speaker 3: was asked about the parallels of using different sports and
Speaker 3: wide receiver release drills. We've heard the legend about Mike
Speaker 3: McDaniel and the Allen Iverson crossover and the utilization of
Speaker 3: eight hundred thousand hours of tape, whatever the heck it
Speaker 3: is at this point, and basketball tape to teach receivers
Speaker 3: like Andrew Hawkins back with the Cleveland Browns, who talked
Speaker 3: about how McDaniel created releases that never let them get
Speaker 3: jammed in an entire season, all that good stuff. The
Speaker 3: question was posed to Wes Welker about the parallels between
Speaker 3: different sports, and I think that that question maybe didn't
Speaker 3: really get answered that well in terms of what you're
Speaker 3: looking for, But I thought the answer gave us something
Speaker 3: else great, just in terms of how the Dolphins and
Speaker 3: Wes Welker himself views the job with the receiver and
Speaker 3: how important it is to win at the release at
Speaker 3: the live scrimmage.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think a lot of that's from all the
Speaker 4: clips and all the tape that we've gotten over the years,
Speaker 4: and and you know different examples, you know where the
Speaker 4: dB is. Is he soft, is he softer on the
Speaker 4: on the press, or is he more on his toes?
Speaker 4: You know there there's so many different things that you
Speaker 4: can teach it till you're blue in the face type deal,
Speaker 4: but players start to understand exactly what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: As far as you know, you always want to keep
Speaker 4: the dB where his hands can almost touch you, but
Speaker 4: he can't. You get too tight, he gets hands on you,
Speaker 4: you're too far away. He can still recover and and
Speaker 4: be able to get hands on you. So it's, uh,
Speaker 4: it's one of those deals. But as far as parallels,
Speaker 4: I mean, I think basketball is one that you always
Speaker 4: kind of talk about. I'm sure there's plenty others that
Speaker 4: have come up over whether it's one play or it's
Speaker 4: kind of like this, or it's kind of like you know,
Speaker 4: whatever it is. You know, always trying to use you know,
Speaker 4: parallels or whatever it is to make it where the
Speaker 4: guys understand what you're saying. So it is used a lot.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to think of specific examples they can't come
Speaker 4: to mind.
Speaker 3: Next, coach was asked about how the Bills limited Tyreek
Speaker 3: and Jalen and the game and if the Dolphins felt
Speaker 3: that way, and how you might get a chance to
Speaker 3: improve their production going forward. Again, more good stuff from Wessay,
Speaker 3: who talks about looks you get and how you have
Speaker 3: to be as we've heard from McDaniel from TUA, you
Speaker 3: have to be on your stuff in order to execute
Speaker 3: when you get the favorable looks that you are looking for.
Speaker 4: Really all week long, one of those games where you know,
Speaker 4: we really needed to play really good, complimentary football across
Speaker 4: the board, and you know, with with the Bills, it's
Speaker 4: it's almost like a guessing game. Are they blitzing to
Speaker 4: stop the run or are they dropping everybody back trying
Speaker 4: to play coverage. So you get caught in a lot
Speaker 4: of those scenarios of all right, well what are they
Speaker 4: going to do here? Well, all right, they're right, we're wrong.
Speaker 4: You know, we're right there.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 4: So it was kind of like a chess match in
Speaker 4: those regards. But you know, Buffalo did a heck of
Speaker 4: a job and you know, being able even when they
Speaker 4: were trying to stop the run. Maybe we had a
Speaker 4: pass play and we didn't execute the right way, or
Speaker 4: maybe they were in coverage and they were able to
Speaker 4: stop the run more than they should have. You know,
Speaker 4: different things like that of everybody get on the same
Speaker 4: page and everybody being on their jobs and and what
Speaker 4: they need to do, and when the opportunity presents itself
Speaker 4: as far as the look that we're getting against the defense,
Speaker 4: we have to take advantage and Buffalo did a great
Speaker 4: job of livinging us when those situations came up.
Speaker 3: And last one here from coach. He was asked about
Speaker 3: the Giants approach and how much more man coverage they
Speaker 3: play than other teams. And you guys heard that on
Speaker 3: the preview podcast with Wink Martin del what's happy man
Speaker 3: coverage heavy from this Giants defense? Do you have to
Speaker 3: change your approach? What coach says, no, because we always
Speaker 3: work on beating man coverage from day one all the
Speaker 3: way through day three sixty five.
Speaker 4: Anytime you're talking about the receiver position or any position
Speaker 4: for that matter, but especially man coverage for receivers, like
Speaker 4: that's something that you're working all the time. That is
Speaker 4: an off season thing, that is through training camp, through everything,
Speaker 4: you're always talking about man coverage because at the end
Speaker 4: of the day, it's going to come down to a
Speaker 4: third and five third and whatever it is, and you
Speaker 4: have to be able to beat man coverage. So you know,
Speaker 4: a lot of that goes without saying, but it's definitely
Speaker 4: an emphasis. They play a lot of cover zero being
Speaker 4: ready for all right, do you see the look? Do
Speaker 4: you understand the look? Do you see what it looks like?
Speaker 4: Because if you're on your stuff, it's a chance for
Speaker 4: a house call, and if you're not, it can be
Speaker 4: a really bad play for us. So all those different
Speaker 4: things making sure they see those looks, understand the looks,
Speaker 4: and then how to execute it according to what we're seeing
Speaker 4: in front of us.
Speaker 2: So there you go. That's Wes Wilker and Frank Smith.
Speaker 3: Let's go ahead and take our last break right there,
Speaker 3: and then we have a brief third segment, just gonna
Speaker 3: come back and pick the games a week number five.
Speaker 3: It's been a lucrative picking season for you boy. Let's
Speaker 3: do that next Draft Time podcast, your host Travis Wingfield,
Speaker 3: brought to you by Autoation. Let's go ahead and get
Speaker 3: right into the Week five NFL picks.
Speaker 2: It has been a good season for you boy.
Speaker 3: Forty seven and seventeen on the season, I think about
Speaker 3: eleven and twelve wins every single week so far, which
Speaker 3: typically this is the feeling out period.
Speaker 2: Perhaps all that you know, all the.
Speaker 3: Reason you with all of waits in the summertime, the
Speaker 3: reason you watch all that tape in the summer time
Speaker 3: is get your picks at forty seven and seventeen.
Speaker 1: Let's go ahead and do week five.
Speaker 3: We have fourteen games this week two or rather four
Speaker 3: bye weeks, I should say, and it starts tonight on
Speaker 3: Thursday Night Football.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch it anyways. Give me the Commanders over
Speaker 2: the Bears. I just think things are.
Speaker 3: Really bad right now in Chicago, and I actually think
Speaker 3: the Manders are going to be a team that contends
Speaker 3: for the playoffs this year. Give me Washington on Thursday
Speaker 3: night football in London. I hope it's the Jags, but
Speaker 3: I'm not picking anybody to be Buffalo right now, much
Speaker 3: less the Jaguars. Give me the Buffalo Bills in that one.
Speaker 3: The Dolphins over the Giants. You heard Wednesday's podcast, you know,
Speaker 3: why give me the Texans over the Falcons. Like I
Speaker 3: was trying to temper my excitement and my expectations regarding CJ.
Speaker 2: Stroud.
Speaker 3: I thought he was going to be the best quarterback
Speaker 3: in this class. I thought he was gonna be one
Speaker 3: of the best quarterbacks of the last few classes going
Speaker 3: back to twenty twenty. And I thought that the Texans
Speaker 3: offensive line would be a reason why they couldn't have
Speaker 3: success the last couple of weeks, because this guy's passing
Speaker 3: for the fourth most yards in the NFL despite being
Speaker 3: down four of his five stars on the offensive line.
Speaker 4: He is great.
Speaker 2: He's going to be the next big thing.
Speaker 3: Give me the Texans over a Falcons offense that just
Speaker 3: cannot get anything going with the quarterback of their own
Speaker 3: that they should think about maybe moving on from.
Speaker 6: Give me the.
Speaker 2: Lions over the Panthers. I think there's not much description there.
Speaker 2: One good team won, not good team. The Titans over
Speaker 2: the Colts.
Speaker 3: This is a big match up here in the AFC South,
Speaker 3: and the Colts have had issues, you know, falling behind
Speaker 3: in games keeping Richardson upright for an entire game. I
Speaker 3: think the Titans ability to you know, pressure him and
Speaker 3: move him off his spot, enforce him into some bad
Speaker 3: decisions on defense could give their offense and enough to
Speaker 3: get over the hump here against the Colts and win
Speaker 3: a big game.
Speaker 2: In the AFC South. Give me the Patriots over the Saints.
Speaker 2: I don't love this.
Speaker 3: Pick either way, but I think the Patriots bounce back
Speaker 3: big after a victory or after I should say, humiliating
Speaker 3: loss on the road and Dallas come back home and
Speaker 3: get Bill Belichick his three hundred win in Foxborough.
Speaker 2: Give me the Ravens over the Steelers.
Speaker 3: I just don't think the Steelers offense has any life
Speaker 3: or juice right now, and despite the fact that their
Speaker 3: defense can be good, I think the offense really makes
Speaker 3: it tough for the entire team to enjoy success, kind
Speaker 3: of like the Jets up in New York.
Speaker 2: Give me Baltimore to get to four and one.
Speaker 3: Here, give me the Eagles over the Rams. I mean
Speaker 3: that pass rush against that offensive line. Good night Nurse.
Speaker 3: Give me the Bengals over the Cardinals in a game
Speaker 3: they have to have. Give me the Broncos over the
Speaker 3: Jets in a game that is that. I think it's
Speaker 3: a four o'clock kickoff, right. I really want to watch
Speaker 3: that game, although we'll be in the postgame radio booth.
Speaker 2: Doing the show there, but I would love to watch
Speaker 2: the Hacket Rowl.
Speaker 3: Here. Give me the Broncos to you know, stand up
Speaker 3: for their coach. I suppose behind Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: I just don't trust Zach Wilson's doing it. So give
Speaker 2: me the Broncos going with the Jets.
Speaker 3: Give me the Chiefs over the Vikings to keep on
Speaker 3: rolling in that one. And then the best game of
Speaker 3: the week, maybe of the year so far, Niners over
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. I'm really conflicted here because it's in San
Speaker 3: Francisco and the fact that the Niners kind of have
Speaker 3: the Cowboys and over the last couple of years in
Speaker 3: the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Give me the home team. And then Monday night, what
Speaker 2: are we doing with the schedule here? Packers and Raiders.
Speaker 3: Give me Green Bay to bounce back after a rough
Speaker 3: one last week. Those are the week five picks forty
Speaker 3: seven and seventeen. Let's go ahead and keep that rolling here,
Speaker 3: and let's go ahead and get out of here for
Speaker 3: this podcast. Tomorrow, very special guest on the show, Raheem Moster,
Speaker 3: joins me here in studio. We'll talk to him about
Speaker 3: his foundation, his event coming up next.
Speaker 2: Week here and Dave.
Speaker 3: We'll also talk about his second year in the offense,
Speaker 3: playing under coach Mike McDaniel and how much fun it
Speaker 3: is to play for this team.
Speaker 2: Really good interview. You don't want to miss that one.
Speaker 3: Plus Kyle Krabs his five minutes on Dolphins Draft and
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