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Speaker 5: Well, now I got to write it.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm actually writing a novel, so I'm going to

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Speaker 4: To do that. All right, So when this becomes a

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Speaker 1: Oh no, I already know what Season two is. Okay good,

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Speaker 3: Well, congratulations writer, We're proud of you. I can't wait

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Speaker 3: You all can listen to red Weather starting January twenty

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Speaker 3: eighth on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you

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Speaker 3: I'll be sure to send you my notes. Yes, can

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Speaker 3: we can we get early episodes?

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Speaker 2: Do I know you? You give me any hook up

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Speaker 5: But yeah, yeah, I'll sorr.

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Speaker 2: Okay, how does it say?

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Speaker 3: Do we do we get at all?

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Speaker 5: From friends with being friends with you?

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Speaker 2: I want these episodes.

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Speaker 6: I do too.

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Speaker 4: And by the way, everything we say on this podcast

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Speaker 2: I'm like writers, I write this one. This one is

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Speaker 1: Podmeats World is an iHeart podcast producer hosted by Danielle Fischel,

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Speaker 1: Wilfridell and Ryder Strong. Executive producers Jensen Karp and Amy Sugarman.

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Speaker 1: Executive in charge of production, Danielle Romo, producer and editor,

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Speaker 1: Taras Sudbach, producer, Maddy Moore, engineer and Boy Meets World

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