1 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: For me, the year twenty twenty presents in alchemy a 2 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: highlights and the lights. The pandemic and the ensuing shutdown 3 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: of the country were alarming, yet simultaneously there was this 4 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: racial renaissance. It prompted this nation to confront its ugly 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: history of white versus black. And while the world was 6 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: working to find its way back to normal, there were 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: two young women who had graduated high school that very year, 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: preparing to embark on their collegiate and athletic careers. Both 9 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: highly touted players from two different backgrounds, two different playing styles, 10 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: but arguably the same agenda to be the best. Because 11 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: of COVID and different restrictions across the country, and if 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 1: we're honest, lack of interest, the world wasn't focused on 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: women's college basketball, So for the Masses, Caitlin Clark and 14 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: Angel Reese seemingly became famous overnight. However, as we find 15 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: out in this series, Kitlyn Clark and Angel Reese were 16 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: super novas in the making. The Masses were just late 17 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: to the discovery. Clark and Reese clearly represent so much 18 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 1: more than basketball. They represent resilience, possibility, and resistance. There 19 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: I say, their only court rivalry is what we all 20 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: needed to push this country out of archaic archetypes that 21 00:01:19,720 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 1: surround the game and filter the way we see women's 22 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: sports in general. Clark and Reese have expanded the horizons 23 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: of the game in ways that my humble mind never envisioned. 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: So how did we reach this point? Allow me to 25 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: tell you a story. 26 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 2: The Superman needed Lex Luthor, the Batman needed the Joker. 27 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 2: And I don't mean to put Angel Rees in some 28 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: kind of villain this role because I don't consider her 29 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:48,080 Speaker 2: a villain. 30 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 3: But I think every great player needs a foil. 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 4: The reason why we watching women's basketball is not. 32 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 3: Just because of one person. 33 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 4: It's because of me too. 34 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 5: And you know, I don't think there should be any 35 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 5: criticism for what she did. I honestly didn't see it 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:58,920 Speaker 5: when the game was going on. 37 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 6: But the story Rory became more compelling, and the desire 38 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 6: to watch and talk about it became more compelling when 39 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 6: she had a foil. Angel won a national championship. She 40 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:11,120 Speaker 6: has four million plus followers. She's at the met Galop 41 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 6: Sizza and Meg thee Stallion want to come stick courtside 42 00:02:13,639 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 6: and watch. 43 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 4: Her naked sports. 44 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: The Making of a Rivalry A six episode docu series 45 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: that explores the media frenzy surrounding two super novas and 46 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: Kitlin Clark and Angel Reese. I'm your host, Carrie Champion, 47 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: and welcome to the making of a rivalry. 48 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: Typically, what it takes is for there to be a rivalry, 49 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 2: a moment, a star player that comes along that makes 50 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 2: us think differently about the game and gets everybody sort 51 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: of galvanized behind either a sport, a player, a moment. 52 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:46,800 Speaker 3: It's always something. 53 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: You know, there's been watershed moments in like Major League Baseball. 54 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 2: You could say when integration occurred. You could say when 55 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 2: Hank Aaron broke bay Brews home run record. 56 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 6: I'll run Champion at all time, a Henri era. 57 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 2: There's been these moments that you can just recall off 58 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 2: the top of your head that you felt like the 59 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 2: sport itself was ascending to a higher place. And so 60 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: we've been able to experience that. 61 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:15,240 Speaker 1: Jamel Hill covered women's basketball in the beginning of her career, 62 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: and I call her a grizzly media veteran, and she 63 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: says that this moment in women's basketball has been building. 64 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,840 Speaker 1: But Caitlin Clark and Angel Reese, well, those two they 65 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 1: set off this explosion of interest. 66 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: This moment in women's basketball is shape shifting. 67 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 3: Yeah. 68 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 2: I think a lot of us who have covered women's 69 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: basketball and women's sports in particular, I think there's other 70 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 2: sports you could point to that moment when it happened 71 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,360 Speaker 2: where you saw there was a decided shifting move that 72 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 2: took the league from one place while growing, but to 73 00:03:48,320 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: an exponential growth. And I'm just really happy I was 74 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 2: alive as someone whose first professional beat was the WNBA 75 00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: when I was a young cub reporter. So what I 76 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:01,160 Speaker 2: would say is that, yeah, it's shape shifting. It's changing 77 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 2: not just the league, it's changing culture. It's changing the 78 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 2: way we look at female athletes. 79 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 3: I think the. 80 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 2: Last I would say, the last three to five years, 81 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 2: it was it was a steady increase and then it 82 00:04:13,960 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: was like boom, the rocket hit. 83 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:19,280 Speaker 1: The WNBA is in his twenty eighth season. But if 84 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: you start to think about it, some would say it 85 00:04:21,960 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 1: feels as if history is repeating itself. Jamel reminds us 86 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,840 Speaker 1: that the NBA, you know, where the men play, wasn't 87 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:32,000 Speaker 1: always a ratings juggernaut. 88 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: People often forget just how poorly the NBA was thought of. 89 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 2: You know when before Magic and Burg kind of took 90 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 2: the lead to another level. You're talking about you know, 91 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,720 Speaker 2: finals games being on tape delay, David Stern having to 92 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: deal with the reputation that the NBA was full of 93 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: junkies and like they had a massive drug problem in 94 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 2: the league, Like they had a lot of stuff going on, 95 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: and really they were very concerned whether or not to 96 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: be financially solving Magic and Bird. When they came along, 97 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,360 Speaker 2: they weren't ready. I mean, there was so simulate. They 98 00:05:01,400 --> 00:05:03,960 Speaker 2: weren't ready for that, but they adapted and they adjusted. 99 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 1: You do use the word detonated when she arrived. What 100 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: is it about Caitlyn Clark that changed the landscape of 101 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: women's basketball? 102 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 3: So it's a combination of factors. 103 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: And I do hope people focus on the fact I 104 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 2: said combination, okay, because I have realized been talking about 105 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: her in the past, if people only hear the trigger word. 106 00:05:25,279 --> 00:05:27,560 Speaker 1: After the break, Jamel will break down some of those 107 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: trigger words and explain this new fandom for the women's game, 108 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:35,159 Speaker 1: the making of a rivalry, Caitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese 109 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: back in a moment, I don't. 110 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 7: Really hear the noise. 111 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 4: I just come here and play basketball every single day, 112 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:46,279 Speaker 4: and that's what I focused on. 113 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 8: I want to personally think Caitlyn Clark for lifting up 114 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 8: our sport. 115 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: Don Staley isn't wrong. Caitlyn Clark has lifted the sport, 116 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: and it was good to hear her say it. But 117 00:05:57,800 --> 00:06:01,000 Speaker 1: it's not just because Caitlyn's a great player. There are 118 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 1: so many other factors that have been ignored. 119 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: She is playing like Steph Curry. It's her whole narrative, 120 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 2: it's her whole story. It's like the way she plays, 121 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 2: the style. Coming from Iowa. And while Iowa basketball has 122 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: its own culture and it certainly have had other players, 123 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:20,279 Speaker 2: but I think when you come from Iowa, there's an 124 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 2: underdog nature to that, Like you're not from LA you're 125 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,679 Speaker 2: not from you know, New York, a known basketball entity. 126 00:06:26,720 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 2: You're from Iowa, right, And that's a place that from 127 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: a national level, isn't always seen, it's overlooked. It's in 128 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 2: the Midwest, right, So where she is. And then she's straight, 129 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:42,359 Speaker 2: and she's white, and all of those factors. Her talent 130 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,839 Speaker 2: leads first, and she broke a lot of very important records. 131 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,039 Speaker 2: And then once you start getting to the subgroup and 132 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 2: the nuance, you see how that all appeals. But when 133 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: it hit the fan is when suddenly there's a Fox, right, 134 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: And I think that's why people make them Harrison so much. 135 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,719 Speaker 3: To Bird and Magic, they needed each other. 136 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 2: You know, it's like the Superman needed Lex Luthor, the 137 00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 2: Batman needed the Joker. And I don't mean to put 138 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 2: to put Angel Rees in some kind of villain's role 139 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 2: because I don't consider her a villain. 140 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: But I think every great player needs a foil. They 141 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 3: need a foil, right, and. 142 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: You know, a foil meaning someone to say, yeah, you're great, 143 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 1: but I'm just as good. 144 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 4: I have just as many tricks. 145 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 2: Correct a foil that can take something from you that 146 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 2: people think you deserve. Like Magic needed Bird to take 147 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 2: things from him, to take Rookie of the Year, to 148 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: take championships. He needed that to become a great player, 149 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:44,360 Speaker 2: and he talks about it all the time. Larry Bird 150 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 2: needed the same thing. Why what did Magic take from 151 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: Bird yo championships? I mean they were both duking it 152 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: out for who was going to be the best player 153 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: of that generation, and you know they're the two most 154 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 2: successful franchises in NBA history. 155 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 3: They needed that. You know, Yan needs Yang all right, and. 156 00:08:02,520 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 4: So I ten twins. 157 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to the right, like it's like you, 158 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 3: Drake needs Kendrick. Kendrick needs Drake. 159 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 4: Drake needs Kendrake. I'm saying Drake needs Kendrack. 160 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: This is what it takes. It's like if you don't. 161 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 4: Just as a reminder, yes, sir. 162 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: You need somebody who's gonna say, like I, I gotta 163 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 2: take it from him, and you know, I'll relate it 164 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: back to your favorite player, am I Isaiah Thomas. 165 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:35,720 Speaker 1: Now, if anybody knows either of us that is false. 166 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:40,840 Speaker 1: Magic is Mike is my favorite. Kobe is my favorite. 167 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: But if we talking about that eron, magic is my favorite. 168 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 1: But Isaiah he needed magic, he did, and vice versa. 169 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: Yes he needed he needed that foil that was gonna 170 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 1: get him there. 171 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 4: Which is why people are like, who was Magic's. 172 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 3: And Michael Jordan needed the pistols? 173 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 4: Excuse me, Michael Jordan's Who was Michael Jordan's foil? In 174 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 4: real time? It was for how long? In a real way? 175 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: Well? 176 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 2: See, the thing is is like, you know, because of 177 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:09,080 Speaker 2: the way we were beating Jordan down, you can all 178 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: look it up. 179 00:09:09,520 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 3: People. It's like, I'm not making it, okay, you did 180 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 3: beat Michael Jordan down. 181 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, Well, once he got past, y'all was 182 00:09:16,280 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: no looking back. 183 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 4: It didn't. 184 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: It wasn't like y'all had a dynasty. Y'all didn't have 185 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: a dona. It wasn't like y'all got seventeen chips. You 186 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: don't have seventeen banners hanging in your arena in Detroit. Okay, 187 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: what are you at? 188 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:28,680 Speaker 3: Four? 189 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: Six? 190 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 3: We have three? Oh? 191 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 4: Thank you? 192 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: And I was I was being kind, but okay, that's fine, 193 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: But we still got seventeen. We should So what you're 194 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: telling me is we should have nineteen. We should have nineteen, 195 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: is what you're telling me. We gave y'all two just 196 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 1: for charity. It was rigged, fake news. 197 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:48,679 Speaker 3: It was faith in championships out for a franchise Boston. 198 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 4: What it is they got us this year? God bless y'all. 199 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 3: But we'll be backed bird. 200 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 4: Okay, he needed they need. 201 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 3: It's not about us, it's not, but it is about us. 202 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: The whole point is the beauty of sports is seeing 203 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 2: the athletes go on the Jerney Peyton Manning needed Tom Brady, Okay, 204 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 2: I mean well, considering how well he. 205 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 3: Needed Eli Manning. Yeah, we gotta keep Tom. 206 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: But if we start, if we, if we it's almost 207 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: like San Detroit needed the Lakers. They didn't and so 208 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 1: we have Boston Celtics and we still do. 209 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,920 Speaker 2: You need something that creates the inertia and the tension 210 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 2: and the thing is now. And I think both players, 211 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 2: even though they played different positions, both Angel Res and 212 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 2: Kaylin like, I would not believe either of them if 213 00:10:42,640 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: they said they were not paying attention to what the 214 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 2: other one was doing. Especially you know, we go through 215 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:49,959 Speaker 2: that stretch where Angel has like. 216 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:54,560 Speaker 3: Double double on double double on something that Caylen is uh. 217 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 2: You know, I think the last regular season game is 218 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 2: we're recording this. She had a w big record nineteen assists. 219 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 3: Like they're they're ever watching, They're topping. 220 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 4: Each other, they're watching. 221 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: They're absolutely And by the way, if they say they're 222 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: not competing in anyone who's watching this, suggesting that we're 223 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: pitting them against another, then they shouldn't be playing pro 224 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 1: like because as a professional your job is to compete 225 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: at the highest levels. 226 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 3: You're you're checking what other people. 227 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: Are doing, and you're also wanting to be better because 228 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: you need to your point, it's a foil in what 229 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: she needs. Angel Rees, how would you describe her as 230 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 1: a foil? 231 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think Angel the girl, the 232 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 2: what I love about watching her play, and even even 233 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: her demeanor in general, like she is a writer or 234 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 2: die Like I look at how her teammates respond to her, 235 00:11:43,440 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 2: and even though she's a rookie and they're senior and 236 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: there's veteran leadership that she has on our team. I 237 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: look at the relationship she has with Tea Spoon, who 238 00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 2: is and was an amazing player, one of the grittiest 239 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: dynamic players the league that has ever had. Like te 240 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,080 Speaker 2: Spoon didn't play no games right, and it's not surprising 241 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: to me that she's like an amazing coach. But looking 242 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,439 Speaker 2: at the relationship she has with Kennedy, Carter and Cardosa 243 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 2: and like all the players, even the vets on that team, 244 00:12:09,840 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: you could tell you can even tell this at LSU, 245 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: like she is the emotional thermometer. It's her and the 246 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: way she carries herself. She still got a lot to learn, 247 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 2: of course, but she plays with a fire and a passion. 248 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: Every single play that's hard to teach is very hard 249 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: to teach. 250 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: Kelsey Plum, the two time w NBA champion with the 251 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: Las Vegas Aces, gives her take on Angel Reese. 252 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 8: People feel insecure, and you have like a strong black 253 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 8: woman that's confident in herself and knows what she's talking about, 254 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 8: and she's just saying what she feels. I think a 255 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 8: lot of people were like, WHOA, Like, how do I 256 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 8: feel about this? 257 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: You never walk away from seeing her play and think 258 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 2: she ain't given enough. You never walk away thinking that 259 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 2: about her. So it's like the tenacity like just jumps 260 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: off the page to me. And I think as she 261 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 2: figures out her offensive identity, she gonna be. 262 00:13:07,200 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 4: A real problem. 263 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 3: She already a problem, now she gonna be a real problem. 264 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,839 Speaker 2: And she's somebody you could definitely see when I mean 265 00:13:16,000 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 2: when an MVP one day, like getting all the awards 266 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 2: and now I think people want to see how this 267 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 2: turns out. They want to see between her and Caitlyn, 268 00:13:23,280 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 2: who wins the championship first, who gets an MVP first, 269 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:27,560 Speaker 2: who gets. 270 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: Rooky of the Year. I mean, we're we're in that 271 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: right now. 272 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, and you talk to players once they're 273 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: out of the league, and then they're they're able to 274 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 2: be more honest about how they felt in these moments again, 275 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:42,080 Speaker 2: like they're gonna probably give us the whole Oh, you know, 276 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: it's great to be considered like no, no, no, no, 277 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:46,240 Speaker 2: they're trying to beat each other for this awards. 278 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 4: I think let's talk about that. Let's talk about this rivalry. 279 00:13:50,040 --> 00:13:53,360 Speaker 1: People may be afraid of that word and how how 280 00:13:53,400 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: the story will be couched, but the way in which 281 00:13:57,679 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: you just described it a moment ago was that there 282 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: is a need, there's a need for them to have 283 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: someone to push them, to make them better, and that 284 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: if that person is your rival, then you will be 285 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: the best. 286 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 4: That's great, that's fine. 287 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: You will always end up in in rare air if 288 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:13,120 Speaker 1: you find yourself constantly competing against the best. There's nothing 289 00:14:13,160 --> 00:14:17,080 Speaker 1: wrong with that word rivalry. To me, what is it 290 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: about the new fans that need this rivalry, this divisiveness, 291 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: this divide? Is it the is it the temperature of 292 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: the country that we live in right now? 293 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean everything feels very divided. But you know, 294 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think that the New fans the 295 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 2: I think for especially for people who may have been 296 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: watching a little bit longer than some of them, they 297 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 2: come in with such aggressive hot takes like no, I 298 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 2: mean It's like the first that you start watching the 299 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 2: NBA and you say Nbawards is the greatest NBA player ever, 300 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:56,120 Speaker 2: And it's like, what. 301 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 3: Like, you know, so you can watch the five minutes like. 302 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 4: Sir Right's like so they mam When. 303 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 2: They do stuff like that, it's just kind of like 304 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 2: it grates the nerves a bit. But I'm happy they're 305 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 2: there and I do feel like and I felt this 306 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 2: way during the course of the season. As it became 307 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,440 Speaker 2: more about ball, a lot of that calm down, right, 308 00:15:17,720 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 2: as it became less about the drama, a lot of 309 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 2: that calm down. But what I would say, not just 310 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 2: with new fans, but I would say sports fans in general. 311 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 2: I think where they need to be, where they need 312 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: to evolve, is in how women compete. Because it's amazing 313 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 2: to me that the same thing they clutch their little 314 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 2: pearls over in the WBA, they eagerly cheer. 315 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 3: For it to see men do right. 316 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: They cheer for the rivalry, they cheer for the drama, 317 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: they cheer for the pettiness. 318 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 3: I'm like, I see it all the time. They cheer 319 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 3: for it. 320 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: One of the reasons I brought up Anthony Edwards, one 321 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 2: of the reasons people love him is because he just. 322 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 3: Don't give it you no way, you don't care. 323 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 2: I mean that may have got to the Olympics this 324 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: first of all he said, oh no, I'm the star player. 325 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 9: Yeah, I'll still number one out. Y'all might look at 326 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 9: it different. 327 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 10: I don't look here at different. 328 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 4: I'm like, who else Bron still here? 329 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:04,000 Speaker 3: Right? 330 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like. 331 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, no, like this is my team. 332 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 4: Well that fits in is society. 333 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,640 Speaker 1: Culture has a society has a way in which women 334 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: are supposed to conduct themselves, even on the basketball chort 335 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: And so you have noticed that the labeling of the 336 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 1: rivalry has such a negative connotation when it shouldn't, because 337 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: we love a rivalry in the NBA and it's celebrated. 338 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 2: In fact, what's the number one complaint you hear about 339 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: in the NBA. They're too friendly, not enough rivalries. 340 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 4: Boat hanging out exactly, all the good things. 341 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: And they all trained together. 342 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 4: My my NBA. 343 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: They weren't fransactly, they would never never. 344 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 4: They can stand each other. It was beating Michael Jordan's 345 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 4: down Heaven for bed. 346 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:54,400 Speaker 2: And then the ladies, you know, they engage, and I 347 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: mean because they're competitors. Competitors too, they show something similar. 348 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: It's like, what about the children. 349 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: Okay, that'd be all right, send them home, you know 350 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,879 Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because if it if we were at 351 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: an NBA game, You're like, that's how it's played, Fellas, 352 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: It's very much. It's very much how if you have 353 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:14,959 Speaker 1: a son and a daughter. Your son can stay out 354 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: all night, but you don't know where your daughter is. Sheese, Yeah, 355 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 1: you're going. 356 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 3: To trigger me. 357 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:23,920 Speaker 1: One of the biggest complaints about the new fans of 358 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: the w n b A is the slow acceptance to 359 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: allow women to compete. 360 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 3: But it's true. 361 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,040 Speaker 2: It's like they want women to, you know, to on 362 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 2: the basketball court to sit around and braid each other's 363 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: hair and talk about you know, relationships and and and 364 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 2: hold hands and sway like that's I'm like, I don't 365 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: get this. It's been a physically Yes, you as a rookie, 366 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: you gonna get it. Like I don't care who you are, 367 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: you gonna get it because they want to see all 368 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 2: this fanfare you come in. 369 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:57,720 Speaker 3: He is it real? Can you do it? 370 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: So when you watch people complain about the way in 371 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: which Caitlyn Clark might be being treated on the court, 372 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 1: do you find yourself helping people Remember a w NBA 373 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: of yesteryear. 374 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean like I remember when the Kennedy 375 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 2: Carter when she gave Caitlin the I mean, I feel 376 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 2: like I'm diminishing it by calling it a herd follow. 377 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: I mean, it was a cheap shot shot. It was 378 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:25,920 Speaker 2: not a basketball player. It was not a basketball player. 379 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:27,919 Speaker 2: But I had to remind him. I was like, Okay, 380 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: you know there was maybe. I mean, I mean, for 381 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: sure one of the greatest rookies the WNBA has ever had. 382 00:18:35,600 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 2: And some people will be like, the greatest rookie the 383 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 2: WNBA has ever had. 384 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,280 Speaker 3: They tried to kill Okay, this Parker like she got 385 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:44,840 Speaker 3: to a brawl as a rookie. 386 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 4: Would had become a physical game. 387 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 9: Is ridley deteriorated. 388 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,720 Speaker 4: Hearson and Parker tried off. 389 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 9: With one another. 390 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 4: They had her on the ground, had her on the ground. 391 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 3: Lisa Leslie ready, they had. 392 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 1: Lisa Leslie Cannis Perker was on the ground and someone 393 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: was on top of her, not telling her sweet yeah, 394 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: you're detrip once again. 395 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 4: That's why yank ye I can't have nice things. 396 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: Okay, just right on up. 397 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 2: She talks about all the time about those many rookie 398 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 2: moments that she had that year. Every single player in 399 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 2: the WNBA could tell you about a moment where they. 400 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:23,159 Speaker 3: Had to prove it. They was about that life. You 401 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. 402 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,200 Speaker 5: My name is Sabrina Merchant, and I'm a staff writer 403 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,240 Speaker 5: at The Athletic covering women's basketball. 404 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: My colleague, Sabrina Merchant was on assignment for the women's 405 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: National Championship game in twenty twenty three. In fact, she 406 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: covered the tournament and like many, she was surprised when 407 00:19:40,359 --> 00:19:44,639 Speaker 1: Iowa and Caitlin Clark be defending champions South Carolina. 408 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 4: It's good to see you, dear friend. 409 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 1: I find it interesting that we find this moment to 410 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: have a conversation because I almost feel as if you 411 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 1: have always been leading the way on some of these stories, 412 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: like stories that have been really really juicy, for lack 413 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: of a better word, really complicated, convoluted, controversial, and because 414 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: it's been women's basketball, no one's paid attention. You've reported 415 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: on some very intent negotiations, breakups, cover ups, and it 416 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 1: just all went under I guess the radar. What's changed 417 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 1: since the last time we talked in terms of women's basketball. 418 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 5: So I think The last time we spoke was twenty 419 00:20:28,160 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 5: twenty three WNBA Finals, which was what a great moment 420 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 5: that was. That was an incredible series. Two superstars at 421 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,840 Speaker 5: the peak of their power is going at it. And 422 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 5: think of all that has happened since then. We just 423 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 5: had two players, Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees, who came 424 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 5: onto the national stage and decided that they were not 425 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:46,479 Speaker 5: going to step off of it. 426 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 4: Let's go to October. You mentioned the twenty twenty three 427 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 4: w NBA Finals. Before the WNBA Finals, there was this 428 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 4: little game where these these two young ladies by the 429 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 4: name of Caitlin Clark and Angel Rees. 430 00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 5: Meant yeah, So I was covering the West Coast games 431 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:03,840 Speaker 5: in the tournament. So I was in Caitlin Clark's regional 432 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,919 Speaker 5: in Seattle in twenty twenty three. And Great Arena Seattle, 433 00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 5: you know, it's where the Seattle Storm play. It's only 434 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 5: women's basketball and hockey arena. And this is probably like 435 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 5: sixty percent full during these Elite eight and Sweet sixteen games. Again, 436 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 5: Elite eate Sweet sixteen games, like you know, there's a 437 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 5: right to play for the final four. Iowa was playing 438 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 5: Louisville Hailey Van Luth, Big name too. That's sixty percent 439 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,720 Speaker 5: full here. So you know you could tell Caitlin Clark's 440 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 5: a great player. You know she was in the running 441 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 5: for a National Player of the Year. Ultimately ends up 442 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 5: losing to Alia Boston, but or maybe that was the 443 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,199 Speaker 5: year before. But regardless, like a great player. We're not 444 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 5: talking national phenomenon yet. Then you get to the final four. 445 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 5: You have Iowa versus undefeated South Carolina, and South Carolina 446 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 5: comes in as the defending national champion, starting five that 447 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:51,480 Speaker 5: has lost maybe eight or nine games together in their 448 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:55,960 Speaker 5: last four years, undefeated throughout the regular season, presumably just 449 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 5: two games where. 450 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: I say, basically, we all saw going did this tournament? 451 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: Don Stale and South Carolina game Cocks were going to win. Yeah, 452 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: that's what it was. 453 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 10: A no. 454 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 3: It was a no. 455 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 5: Like if you picked against South Carolina and your bracket 456 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 5: you were just asking, You're like, well, what are you 457 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 5: doing exactly? 458 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: You're you're going against Kobe, You're going against Jordan, You're 459 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: going against the best of the best, You're going against 460 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:15,920 Speaker 1: Tom Brady. 461 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 4: What are you doing exactly? 462 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 5: So it's a nightcap on that Friday, the final four LSU, 463 00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 5: who has already beaten Virginia Tech, which in hindsight is 464 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 5: a dramatically more important game than we gave it credit for. 465 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 3: In the time. 466 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 5: But you know, Caitlin leads Iowa to this upset of 467 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 5: South Carolina, and the energy in that building is unlike 468 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 5: anything I can remember previously being present for just live. 469 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:43,439 Speaker 5: You know, the tension of like watching a goliath get slain, right, Like, 470 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 5: you just don't see that very often, and you know, 471 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 5: naturally a team effort. We've seen Kate Martin go on 472 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 5: to have a nice little stint with the last ba's aces. 473 00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 5: So far, everybody can name players on Iowa now, right, 474 00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:57,360 Speaker 5: like Gabby Marshall, Monicut's not. This is the Caitlyn Clark Show. 475 00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 5: And she puts up forty points another her magnificent performance 476 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 5: and takes down the giants, and it's, oh my god, like, 477 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 5: what did we just witness? 478 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 1: What did we just witness? Is she the best thing ever? 479 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: Is she the next Steph Curry? Is she the female 480 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: Steph Curry? Exactly all the questions people were asking. Because 481 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: I was shocked that she beat Don Staley. 482 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 4: In South Carolina. 483 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 1: I was like, there was no game plan for her, right, 484 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 1: there was no game plan for Caitlin Clark, and. 485 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 5: It didn't seem like a fluke either. It looked like 486 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,879 Speaker 5: she was in complete control of that game, which is 487 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:33,280 Speaker 5: not something you expect to see against again, undefeated, defending 488 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 5: national champion, like multiple players going to the pros, best 489 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,120 Speaker 5: defense in the country, all of that. 490 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 4: You name it. 491 00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 1: They had every accohlade and she walked into Don Staley 492 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: and Don Staley was just the cherry on top of 493 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: the ice cream. So she walks away from this game 494 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: and we're I know, I'm thinking, I don't know what 495 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: we've just witnessed, but everyone is talking about it. I'm 496 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: not and by everyone, I mean not just within our world. 497 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:59,720 Speaker 1: It's on national news. It is everywhere. People who don't 498 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,440 Speaker 1: watch to women's basketball or telling you about what they 499 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 1: think about these women. 500 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the kind of thing where you get texts 501 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 5: the next morning like, oh my god, did you watch 502 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 5: that game? 503 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 4: Can you believe what just happened? 504 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 5: Is that professionally, this isn't what I have to do 505 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 5: to be in person to cover that game. 506 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:15,879 Speaker 4: Oh, Test Conker stuff up? 507 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 5: Yeah, that was I think that's when the switch flitch. 508 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,120 Speaker 1: After the break, my colleague and host of a Good 509 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: Game podcast, Sarah Spain shares her thoughts. 510 00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 6: Having so many conversations with different WNBA players and reporters 511 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 6: over the years, one of the things that was standing 512 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 6: in the way of people embracing the game is just 513 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,080 Speaker 6: that it looks a little different than professional men's basketball, 514 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 6: and people who could get hung up on they're not 515 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 6: dunking would choose that as the reason that they didn't. 516 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 4: Appreciate the game back in a moment. 517 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 6: For a lot of sports radio and sports TV, you 518 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 6: need to have a take. And if you're not watching 519 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 6: a lot of games and you don't know a lot 520 00:24:57,320 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 6: about the players or the sport. 521 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 4: Take doesn't have any legs. If you can just say 522 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 4: I like Caitlin Clark. 523 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 6: I don't like Angel Reed, or should women be this competitive? 524 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 6: Or are they trying to take her, you can have 525 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 6: a conversation on your show and you can get people 526 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 6: fired up about it without ever having to do the work. 527 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 6: And that's sometimes a good thing, not for the product 528 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 6: that comes out, but for the coverage coming out of it. 529 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:24,560 Speaker 4: It was really good for women's. 530 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 6: College basketball and eventually the WNBA that people had this thing, 531 00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 6: this rivalry that they could create takes. 532 00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: Out of I'm sure you've heard analysts on television say 533 00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: welcome to the new fans of the WNBA. I'm sure 534 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 1: I've said it many a times, but if I'm honest, 535 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: I don't know that much of us really know anything 536 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: about these ladies off the court, especially Caitlin Clark. Here's 537 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: Sarah Spain of the Good Game podcast. 538 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 6: All you need to know is she's jacking up shots 539 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 6: from basically half court. She's hitting logo threes on the regular, 540 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,880 Speaker 6: and she's doing it in clutch moments, and that alone 541 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,960 Speaker 6: opens the door a jar for people to step in 542 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 6: and appreciate her play and then start watching the rest 543 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 6: of the game and say, oh, this is good. But 544 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 6: that was the ultimate sort of backbreaker for that argument 545 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,160 Speaker 6: that women weren't worth watching because they couldn't done. 546 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,920 Speaker 4: Was like, oh, wait, she's doing something the guys aren't 547 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,520 Speaker 4: doing well. 548 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: To that same idea, everyone says she plays like Steph Curry. 549 00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,719 Speaker 1: She has every Steph Curry I think is arguably one 550 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: of the most impactful players in basketball in terms of 551 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 1: his every man's game, and people have called her every 552 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 1: every woman's game if you will, It's very common. It 553 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 1: feels like I can do it. She's a girl next door. 554 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 1: All of these things feel very marketable when you look 555 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 1: at the WNBA, do you feel that's a slight on 556 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: the women who've already built this league for so many years. 557 00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 6: I think the. 558 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 4: Way we talk about Caitlin Clark can be in. 559 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 6: Good faith talking about the ways that she is appealing, 560 00:26:52,760 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 6: and the same way that we could talk about Steph 561 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 6: Curry being appealing because you felt like watching him, like, oh, 562 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 6: I could do that, which is very different than watching 563 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 6: Michael Jordan Shack or Lebron James. And then there's ways 564 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 6: that we talk about Caitlin Clark that are almost obtuse 565 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,919 Speaker 6: with intention so as to disregard the ways that we 566 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 6: haven't respected the existing players in the WNBA over the decades, 567 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 6: particularly players of color, players who are masculine presenting, players 568 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 6: who are openly LGBTQIA plus right. When we are intentional 569 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 6: about promoting and singling out a straight white girl next 570 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 6: door as the face of a league that has been 571 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 6: predominantly black, we have to acknowledge why that's happening. And 572 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 6: if you look across the landscape of women's sports, so 573 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 6: often what has become considered palatable in the eyes of 574 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 6: many who want to place women in specific lanes. Is 575 00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:49,200 Speaker 6: the sports that have predominantly white athletes who have esthetically 576 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 6: generally pleasing body types and who we can sort of 577 00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:58,399 Speaker 6: infantilize as your little girl all grown up right, just 578 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 6: the perfect little role models had a sit soccer, right, 579 00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 6: And those sports are changing by the way, and we're 580 00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 6: witnessing and getting through the issues of the changing faces 581 00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 6: and representatives for those sports in ways that are worth 582 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,200 Speaker 6: discussing too. But in basketball in particular, when you find 583 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:18,959 Speaker 6: that the focus is on Caitlin Clark Paige Becker's Sueer 584 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 6: Bird at the expense of other players, because it's not 585 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 6: to say that they're not deserving, but it is to 586 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 6: say that who else has been contributing at the highest level, 587 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:30,000 Speaker 6: who else is worthy of that praise, those marketing deals, 588 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 6: those sponsorships that we're not paying attention to, and why, 589 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 6: let's be honest about it. 590 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 1: Kitlyn Clark is a game changer and she's brought so 591 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: many new eyes to the WNBA. And episode two we 592 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: talk to the people who know Kitlyn Clark intimately will 593 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: also hear from the game changer herself next time on 594 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 1: Naked Sports. 595 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 4: Who is Kitlyn Clark. 596 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 10: When you watch her play, her vision and her understanding 597 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 10: of the game, the game is literally slowed down in 598 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 10: her mind, you know, and she sees these passing angles 599 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 10: that even the past or the receiver of the past 600 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 10: doesn't even see, you know, And you're watching in the 601 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 10: stands or on the side of the court, and you 602 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 10: don't always even see it as a coach, you know, 603 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 10: or a fan until it happens. And so just to 604 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 10: see firsthand how she sees the game, and it's kind 605 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 10: of hard to explain because even as we watch her, 606 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 10: you can't get in her mind. But the game is 607 00:29:22,520 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 10: literally slower for her than other people. 608 00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 7: I mean, I have known Caitlin since she was in 609 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,360 Speaker 7: eighth grade. I've been following her. We had been recruiting 610 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 7: her since then because we knew she was such a 611 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 7: special talent. And then it came time for her senior 612 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 7: year and her to make this decision. And she grew 613 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 7: up in a Catholic high school, very strong Catholic family, 614 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 7: and so Notre Dame, of course, was a logical decision 615 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760 Speaker 7: for her to make, but her heart wasn't there. And 616 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 7: she went on her visit and she came home and 617 00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 7: was really just didn't feel good about it after she'd 618 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 7: committed to them, and so had somebody call me up 619 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 7: to find out would I still be interested than having her? Well, 620 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 7: of course, so so she did end up calling Notre 621 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 7: Dame and declining and then called me up. 622 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 4: I can still remember where I was. 623 00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 7: My husband and I were out having dinner. She called 624 00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 7: me up and said, if you'd have me, if you 625 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 7: still have a spot available, I'd love to be a Hawkeye. 626 00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 9: And this was my first season doing the women's college game. 627 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 9: And I go back and we're watching a little bit 628 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 9: and I see her pull up thirty five feet or 629 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,680 Speaker 9: whatever it was, and I'm like, oh my gosh, this 630 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 9: is just this is crazy. And the ratings are through 631 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 9: the roof, nowhere near where they're at now, but for 632 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 9: that time, shattered records for US on ESPN and that 633 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 9: game was on ABC, and so people are like, oh, 634 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 9: this Kaitlyn Clark player, she's fun whatever. Well, Caitlyn continues 635 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 9: to get better and better, and then her moments become 636 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 9: more and more viral, and all of a sudden you 637 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 9: have people who are seeing clips of her and they're saying, 638 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 9: oh my gosh, who is this they're seeing the insane 639 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 9: no look passes, they're seeing the downpour passes. But more 640 00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 9: than anything else at this moment, what they're seeing is 641 00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 9: they're seeing someone pull up off the dribble from thirty 642 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 9: thirty five forty feet and just having these incredible performances 643 00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 9: to someone who's leading the nation and scoring and assisting 644 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 9: over and over again. 645 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 3: The mastering of Caylan Clark continues. 646 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,959 Speaker 5: I think that's part of what makes Caitlyn so compelling 647 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 5: to watch is that you can see everything on her face. 648 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 5: She doesn't hide anything. She is incredibly emotional throughout the 649 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 5: course of a game, and that makes her a more 650 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,600 Speaker 5: interesting figure on television and in person. But if you're 651 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:29,480 Speaker 5: only tuning in for the national title game, you think, oh, 652 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 5: this poor girl from Iowa is getting bullied by you know, 653 00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 5: the big bad alis you girls, which couldn't be farther 654 00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 5: from the truth, because, as Caitlyn said repeatedly after the game, 655 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 5: like she'd beenditioned out the same stuff for five previous 656 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 5: games while she was winning. But like you said, the 657 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 5: optics make people uncomfortable, Like there is there's a racial element, 658 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 5: which I mean, we let it slide on the men's side, 659 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 5: right like if a male athlete taunts another male athlete, 660 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 5: doesn't really matter if they're black and white. It's just 661 00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 5: two men going at one another. But there was an 662 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 5: extra layer because they're women. Because we don't let women 663 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:06,480 Speaker 5: show their emotions like that in public, they were not 664 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 5: given that same level of grace. 665 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:13,320 Speaker 11: I remember Kaylyn Clark going viral for like logo threes 666 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 11: and step back threes, and it was like, oh, she 667 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 11: plays like stuff. That's what I was hearing. And I 668 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 11: was like, oh, like, I hadn't seen somebody in a 669 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 11: minute shooting from that deep. I hadn't seen like I've 670 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 11: seen players really good. But logo threes was her thing. 671 00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 11: And I was like, Iowa, I don't remember Iowa being good. 672 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 11: And I was like, oh, ls, she was pretty good. 673 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 11: And I remember they beat Iowa, and I know I 674 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 11: remember Kaylyn Clark was really braggadocious like she was she 675 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 11: was doing this, she was she was ah like she 676 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 11: was playing with a lot of emotion, which is cool. 677 00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 3: I love it. 678 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:47,760 Speaker 11: And then when Angel Rees and them played and Angel 679 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 11: Reese put it back in her face, I was like, okay, 680 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,360 Speaker 11: Like this is competition the way I like it. And 681 00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 11: then like when I was watching the game. It wasn't 682 00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,240 Speaker 11: that big. I was like, oh, this is great. She 683 00:32:57,280 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 11: pointed out a ring. She did all this and then 684 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 11: like I feel like immediately that day it became like 685 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 11: Angel getting called class list and I was like, and 686 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 11: this is for me. It was like here we go again, 687 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,479 Speaker 11: because I remember, like Tom Brady, he takes off his 688 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 11: helmet and throws it. He's passionate as Brian does it. 689 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 4: They got mad at too, Yeah they got mad. 690 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 11: But they didn't get mad at Tom. Tom is always passionate. 691 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 11: Is he's losing his cool. Odell Beckham loses cool. So 692 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 11: it's it's quite often that black athletes and white athletes 693 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 11: do the same thing and it's looked at very differently. 694 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 11: And with Angel Reese, I was like here we here 695 00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 11: we go. Like so as a black person, I'm like, nah, 696 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 11: I got to ride for you because I got to 697 00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 11: defend black women. I'm gonna be on your side. So 698 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 11: that's what I remember. Like it become becoming a huge, 699 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 11: huge thing. And I remember they played the next year 700 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 11: and I remember saying, you know, I did make my joke. 701 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 11: I was like, Race War two is happening. 702 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: Would Caitlin Clark be such a supernova if there were 703 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:04,320 Speaker 1: no Angel Reese, I don't know, no, no, Who is 704 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: Caitlin Clark. That's episode two of Making of a Rivalry. 705 00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: The Making of a Rivalry Kitlin Clark versus Angel Reese 706 00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:15,200 Speaker 1: is a Be Honest production in partnership with the Black 707 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: Effect podcast Network in iHeart Women's Sports. Written and executive 708 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: produced by me Kerry Champion. 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