WEBVTT - Draft Show: Let's Talk About The Combine 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.200 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:09.240 --> 0:00:19.040 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is the Dallas 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:24.040 Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room for insider 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:27.600 news and trapped analysis from deep within the confines of 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:32.840 Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Frisco. All sects, running 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:38.960 back and now your hosts, David Hellman, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner, 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:46.920 and Kyle Yeoman's a cloudy win Thursday. Actually almost said Wednesday. 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:48.440 I got all my days mixed up. But it's a 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:52.560 cloudy Thursday at the Star in Frisco. We're live from 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.720 inside the Star at the s WBC Mortgage Studio. Sixty 0:00:56.840 --> 0:01:00.920 three days until the NFL Draft in a week until 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:05.640 drills at Lucas Oil Stadium. The NFL Combine is right 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.800 around the corner, but the Draft Show continues. Jeff Cavanaugh 0:01:09.160 --> 0:01:13.839 alongside Kevin Turner and David Hellman. Is bad. Yeah, welcome back, buddy, 0:01:13.920 --> 0:01:16.200 Thanks man. I'm glad to have you back. Yeah. I 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:19.600 got some draft beers in New Orleans last week? Like that? 0:01:19.840 --> 0:01:22.640 Does that count as the drift like draft coverage? Yes? 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:25.440 I think it would, and that I appreciate that because 0:01:25.760 --> 0:01:28.640 I was not watching tape last week. I have to admit. 0:01:28.760 --> 0:01:30.440 You don't have to apologize. It got to be plenty 0:01:30.480 --> 0:01:32.039 of time left for you to Yeah, I got to 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:34.920 catch up on anything that you might have missed. But 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.320 I'm just glad that the four of us could come 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:42.640 back and combine our brains together. That was rough. He 0:01:42.760 --> 0:01:45.080 told me he was going to do that, and still 0:01:45.360 --> 0:01:47.640 I still wasn't ready for it. Well, then you've got 0:01:47.680 --> 0:01:50.480 Jeff Cavanaugh on the corner, all dappered up today. Look 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:52.320 at that. Got to tell you, I'm surprised you guys 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:55.880 don't realize. I've always been a big suit guy. Yeah, 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:57.680 I'd love to wear the suits pretty much to it 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.560 every day, except when I come up here. I thought 0:01:59.640 --> 0:02:01.960 today and where I do what I normally do, which 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:04.720 is wear suits. You wear your hats and Miller light 0:02:05.000 --> 0:02:08.400 like work shirts. Picture every day. Yeah, work had some 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:11.239 changes made. Gotta update the photos, okay, Yeah, I had 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:14.320 to dapper up a little bit for the photos. But 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:18.720 the time for a haircut though, so sloppy. That's okay. 0:02:18.960 --> 0:02:20.919 At least you don't have the hat on. You could 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:22.800 have put the hat on. I got some product in 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:26.520 the bag. I fix that up. Yeah, slick that stuff 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:28.280 back a little bit. Well, no, what you do now? 0:02:28.320 --> 0:02:30.640 They got new product out where it doesn't slick it, 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:33.160 it'll just kind of hold it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:35.280 think this, You think this happens naturally. I thought that 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.519 was old school gel Oh no, this is like paste baby, Okay, Yeah, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:42.120 I didn't realize you guys spent so much time on 0:02:42.160 --> 0:02:45.480 your hair styling cream. Yeah, styling. You would think we 0:02:45.520 --> 0:02:49.080 would look better if we did, but we don't. It's fine. 0:02:49.480 --> 0:02:51.800 Then there's Katie and I just wear a hat. Yeah, 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.520 throw on the mean green hat. Yeah. Supporting the Texas 0:02:54.600 --> 0:02:57.280 Rangers in North Texas at the same time, absolutely, okay, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:00.560 nothing wrong with that. But just about four days until 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.760 team personnel show up in Indianapolis for the twenty twenty 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:09.440 NFL Combine and of course, combining our efforts. As the 0:03:09.520 --> 0:03:12.120 words of Kevin Turner, we're going to go through the 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.320 NFL Combine from a general term. At the beginning of 0:03:15.360 --> 0:03:17.680 the show, we're going to go through kind of what 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:22.800 exactly is important about the NFL scouting combine. We got 0:03:22.840 --> 0:03:25.000 Twitter on the twenty coming up in the next segment, 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.720 and then in the final segment, we'll look through some 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.440 of the specific players and teams that are going to 0:03:30.480 --> 0:03:32.919 be looking for certain things in the combine, but kind 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.040 of the start things off here today, guys wanted to 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:39.520 kind of talk about in terms of coaches, scouts, teams, 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:41.480 all the personnel that are going to show up on 0:03:41.520 --> 0:03:44.680 Sunday to get this thing started. What is the highest 0:03:44.840 --> 0:03:48.000 value of the NFL Combine. Take a page right out 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:49.920 of Day in Bruckler's playbook and let you know that. 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:53.400 It's the medicals. Yeah. Absolutely, and that's you know, it's 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:56.920 very obvious. This is going to be a very interesting 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.400 departure for the NFL Combine this year, the thanks that 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:03.880 the NFL is going to to monetize it basically, I 0:04:03.880 --> 0:04:07.200 mean it's it's true. Drills are moving to primetime, interviews 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.960 are moving to the morning afternoon. They're doing that in 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:13.640 a bid to increase TV ratings. The reason I bring 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:15.480 this up in the first place is that I think 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:19.279 the NFL is desperate to get the combine out of Indianapolis. 0:04:20.080 --> 0:04:23.440 But NFL clubs love having it there because it is 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:27.600 a centrally located city with three or four hospital facilities 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.159 right there downtown. It's very easy to bust three hundred 0:04:31.160 --> 0:04:36.800 players around and get cat scans, MRI's, you know, medical, 0:04:37.600 --> 0:04:39.839 what's the word. I'm looking for physicals. Thank you, David, 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.160 You're welcome. It's just super it's super efficient. And that's 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:46.640 one of the biggest reasons why this happens in Indianapolis 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:49.400 is because it's all right there. It's all easy to 0:04:49.400 --> 0:04:51.480 get to and they've been doing it since the late eighties, 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:55.320 so they know what they're doing. Something shouldn't change, like 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:57.720 the sexy events, the super Bowl, the Draft. Yeah, I 0:04:57.800 --> 0:05:00.320 put them in the big cities. Yeah, right here. This 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:02.240 is a little dirty work. We're getting serious about the 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:04.880 Combine in the draft. Put in Indianapolis and keep it there. 0:05:04.920 --> 0:05:06.960 That is the great tug of war though, is like 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.919 that is you just spoke for football people everywhere, scouts 0:05:09.920 --> 0:05:14.240 and evaluators and the moneymakers see things differently. That's why 0:05:14.360 --> 0:05:17.600 drills are happening at night. Now. I'm fascinated to see. 0:05:17.640 --> 0:05:19.680 I don't know how much longer the contract runs there, 0:05:19.720 --> 0:05:22.680 but I'm very curious to see if it stays in 0:05:22.680 --> 0:05:25.479 Indianapolis long term. We'll move to Combine to Chicago, and 0:05:25.520 --> 0:05:27.400 good luck getting from the North Side all the way 0:05:27.440 --> 0:05:29.440 to the South Side to get to go get your 0:05:29.480 --> 0:05:31.719 players who are getting checked up. But for mine, I 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:36.320 mean becomes a beating. Jevon, Jevon Kenlon, Jeff Skuy, A 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:38.719 million other guys are going to go through there. Guys 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:41.680 that we don't even know of with medical issues are 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:43.280 going to crop up. I remember it was I think 0:05:43.320 --> 0:05:46.279 it was two years ago that Maurice Hurst was a 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.600 favorite to be the Cowboys pick in the first round 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:52.560 at nineteen, had an irregular heartbeat and fell to the 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.359 fifth round. Reggie Raglan too, Remember the Alabama line there, 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:00.320 there's an Alabama guy with medical issues. Ever be one 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.159 guy it's got a heart problem that will happen, you'll 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:05.760 find it. It's you know, And that's the that's kind 0:06:05.760 --> 0:06:08.080 of the scary thing about evaluating too, Like, Okay, I 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:10.440 don't try not to let the combine change too much, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:13.479 and then there will be things that happen medically that 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:15.359 make you okay, well, I can't have this guy up 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.359 here on my board anymore. And then there's other elements 0:06:18.360 --> 0:06:20.599 of the combine as well that makes you go okay, 0:06:20.680 --> 0:06:23.360 well and well, it's hard to know. Like for us 0:06:23.400 --> 0:06:25.120 because we're not going to be interviewing the players, but 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.039 for the teams they will be changing their board based 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.600 on all kinds of little things that happen in Indianapolis 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:34.039 that might not even be on the field. Yeah, I 0:06:34.040 --> 0:06:36.120 mean there's plenty to look at when it comes to 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:39.240 the medicals. You'd even talk about interviews. I know a 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:41.719 lot of teams look at these interviews as their first 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:44.480 contact with some of these guys and really trying to 0:06:45.200 --> 0:06:48.000 find out exactly what was the laugh there for. Well, no, 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:50.320 I just think, like when I think about the interviews, 0:06:50.360 --> 0:06:52.520 I think about how insane it is. And they've changed 0:06:52.560 --> 0:06:56.080 it to to eight eighteen minute interviews now instead of 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.640 fifteen minute interviews I think. But they also cut the 0:06:58.720 --> 0:07:01.680 number that you get from sixty to forty five. So 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:04.280 I'm gonna get fewer players in and I'm gonna use 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:06.760 those three minutes on these guys that I'm getting targeted. 0:07:06.960 --> 0:07:09.480 What can you know about a person in three minutes? Well, 0:07:09.520 --> 0:07:11.640 you know, I mean, no idea. You can get him 0:07:11.640 --> 0:07:13.760 into a staring contest like that was the big thing 0:07:13.800 --> 0:07:16.520 that came out of last year's combine, right, figure out 0:07:16.520 --> 0:07:19.000 if they got a tongue ring. Okay, Yeah, I think 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.360 that's gonna stop you from drafting the guy didn't Kamara 0:07:22.520 --> 0:07:24.480 have a thing at the combine where somebody asked him 0:07:24.480 --> 0:07:27.400 about something a piece of jewelry and nose ring or 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:28.960 something and they're like, can you take that out or 0:07:29.000 --> 0:07:31.080 that doesn't look professional, and he was like, don't draft me. 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.960 It's an I mean, it's an annual thing though, Darius Guice, 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.320 you know what the stuff? You know, team's asking him 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:42.400 if he was the one that he said that, they 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:45.000 asked if he was gay. I believe, like just all 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.400 kinds of bizarre stuff comes out of these these interviews. 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.120 Last Jeffrey single, Yes I am coaching. You can't. I 0:07:51.160 --> 0:07:54.760 gotta tell you you're looking good today, comfortable. That's a 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:58.640 you problem. Don't draft me, Fine, don't. I'll go to 0:07:58.680 --> 0:08:01.520 your division and beat you. Like yeah, last year, I 0:08:01.560 --> 0:08:03.360 think the favorite one because there's no there was no 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:07.720 really track record on and there's no rap I guess 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:10.240 is what I would say, there's no rap sheet, Well, 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:14.840 I'm going Jakai polite, polite, polite, the Florida Edge Rusher, 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.760 and then you here comes up. Well, some teams just 0:08:17.840 --> 0:08:21.000 weren't just really weren't vibing with him. They didn't really 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:23.480 like the way he carried himself and I'm like, can 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.680 you rush the passer? And then it turns out he 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:27.960 does fall all the way to day three and maybe 0:08:27.960 --> 0:08:30.560 some of those things were warranted. Oh god, And remember 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.400 I mean the combine too, and had a terrible, terrible, 0:08:33.480 --> 0:08:36.199 terrible combine. Yeah. How many how many years ago did 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:41.120 Ruben Foster like freak out during the medical evaluation, which 0:08:41.160 --> 0:08:43.040 like it's like three years ago if you think, if 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:44.880 you think about it, I mean, you know you but 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.520 you're waiting around all day to go through this stuff 0:08:47.559 --> 0:08:50.000 like that's I don't think people quite understand, like we 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:52.760 only see these players for the hour that they're on 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.680 the field running drills. The rest of the time, you're 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.200 just being ushered from interviews to medicals, you're waiting in 0:08:59.280 --> 0:09:02.240 line to get in the MRI all that type of stuff. 0:09:02.280 --> 0:09:04.840 And yeah, Ruben Foster didn't handle it very well. So 0:09:05.240 --> 0:09:08.200 there's a lot of interesting stuff that can be gleaned 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.880 from this. However, Mundane, you might think it might be 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:13.280 this is a strange one, but because he went in 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.959 the first round. But do you think the Vikings had 0:09:16.040 --> 0:09:19.000 hardcore discussions with Laquon Treadwell when they're meeting with him 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:22.040 at the Combine about picking up route concepts and having 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.000 to learn a way different offense than he was running 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:26.360 at Mississippi, where he only ran three routes. Do you 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:29.160 think those conversations happened because they would have been tipped 0:09:29.160 --> 0:09:30.720 off to man, Maybe this is a bit of a 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:32.160 red flag. And I know they make them go do 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:35.559 boardwork sometimes and things like that. Like I just I 0:09:36.240 --> 0:09:39.160 just don't know, Like I don't know how much you 0:09:39.160 --> 0:09:41.360 can find out about a person in fifteen minutes. I 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:44.439 think come into decisions like this. I think you brought 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:48.080 treadwell up on purpose just to make me feel bad, 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:51.040 not I would make everyone feel Yeah, yeah, everybody thought 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.720 it was good. We all screwed that one up. Yeah, 0:09:52.720 --> 0:09:54.800 that was one of those kind of sure fire things 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.960 and it wasn't as sure fire as we thought. But 0:09:57.040 --> 0:09:58.920 kind of going back to what Dave said talking about 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:01.560 the entirety of the week, I've got the schedule out here. 0:10:01.600 --> 0:10:04.760 This is the general player schedule. Talk to Bonham and 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:07.440 it starts Sunday where the tight ends, quarterbacks, and wide 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:12.160 receivers arrive in Indy. Then you've got registration, orientation, interviews, measurements, 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:15.760 pre exam at the hospital interviews, then the next day 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:21.640 media what a medical exams, position, coach interview, psychological testing. 0:10:22.160 --> 0:10:26.520 Then you've got the NFLPA meeting, interviews, bench press, psychological 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.880 testing for a second straight day limited testing and interviews, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.040 and on field workout and then you'd leave. I would 0:10:32.120 --> 0:10:34.720 show up five days. I think I'd show up on 0:10:34.840 --> 0:10:37.520 day four or whenever we get on the field, and 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:39.600 they'd be like, hey, you know you're supposed to be 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.960 here for all these other things, and I'd be like, yeah, 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:44.520 and if that hurts my draft stock, that sucks. So 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:47.560 but man, that sounded terrible. That's a lot of stuff. 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.520 How long do we get to a point when I 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.840 mean you look at right now in terms of training 0:10:52.880 --> 0:10:56.480 camps and OTAs and things like that, people are skipping 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:58.800 for contract reasons. How long until we see some of 0:10:58.800 --> 0:11:03.479 these high end college guys skipping combine exams and workouts 0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:06.600 and things like that. If this keeps going with you know, 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.640 moving the drills tonight and like making it a television 0:11:09.640 --> 0:11:12.680 event and it becomes more profitable and starts getting legitimate 0:11:12.679 --> 0:11:15.600 TV ratings, I don't think that's far behind. Yeah, especially 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:18.280 and yeah, to Kat's point, how much can you really 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:20.840 learn about a guy in fifteen and eighteen minutes, not 0:11:20.920 --> 0:11:23.320 a lot. That's why this is just one or the 0:11:23.360 --> 0:11:25.320 first step in the process. That's why if you really 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.040 like any of these guys, you're going to bring them 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.320 to your facility and spend two days with them. And 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:31.079 now a lot of these guys not all of them, 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.719 but a lot of these guys have someone training them 0:11:33.760 --> 0:11:36.760 on what to say in almost every situation. Absolutely so 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.040 is that really getting to know someone? Someone who's telling 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:40.880 you something just so they can make a little more money. 0:11:41.120 --> 0:11:43.080 That's what we're talking about here. We're talking about the 0:11:43.080 --> 0:11:46.160 difference in back of the first round money compared to 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:48.280 third round money, you know, or how far a guy 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:50.400 could slide. You gotta go through all that stuff. You 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:52.440 don't show up to that stuff. Teams are gonna trust you, 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.240 they're gonna think something's up. Of course, there's way more 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:57.079 that goes into it than we could even talk about. 0:11:57.160 --> 0:11:59.600 But like, and there's so much of we probably don't 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:03.000 even know, you know. But I'm always like, I always 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.280 think it's funny that I remember the year I've only 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:09.760 covered one combine. I'll be honest, but I remember Jeff 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:12.520 was at a podium and he was talking to Jared 0:12:12.559 --> 0:12:14.080 Goff and that was the story of the day, was 0:12:14.120 --> 0:12:17.080 the measurement of Jared Goff's hands and about and you 0:12:17.120 --> 0:12:20.400 know what, it might still matter given how he's played 0:12:20.400 --> 0:12:23.240 in cold weather. But I just think it's amazing how 0:12:23.360 --> 0:12:26.160 much little bit of freak out happens when we're talking 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.439 about a quarter of an inch. I want to get 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.480 into that in the third segment though, because yeah, I 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.960 remember that too, and it's silly, but like it's kind 0:12:34.000 --> 0:12:36.480 of some of this silly stuff hasn't been to it too, 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.680 which is what makes this so fascinating. I just think 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:43.000 we're reaching a breaking point at some point soon with 0:12:43.040 --> 0:12:45.320 the Combine in terms of like is it a money 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:48.400 making event? Is an evaluators event? Actually, I read this 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.760 morning the Rams and the Broncos aren't sending their staffs 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.160 to the combine, like they're sending their you know, their 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.080 upper echelon people, but like everybody else is staying behind 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:00.640 because they're like, we can get everything that we need 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:02.320 to get out of this from Afar. I think every 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:04.679 team should do that. Why I don't want the coaches 0:13:04.679 --> 0:13:06.679 there because I don't want to coaches drafting the players. 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.520 I would much rather my scouts be the ones that 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:11.800 are doing. It's really weird to me in the NFL 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.959 how many teams empower a coach to have a big 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.280 voice in a draft room. Because if you've hired people 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:21.120 who you think are capable, that are in your scouting 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:25.280 department and they spend literally years working on each player. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.880 We got this. We can rank these guys. We're okay, 0:13:28.920 --> 0:13:31.040 we'll pick the right guys, and then you coach them. 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:34.320 I don't want the offensive coordinator in the defensive coordinator. 0:13:34.360 --> 0:13:36.080 They're falling in love with the prospect and like, hey, 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:37.800 where you guys got him on a third round? All right, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.560 well we're gonna take him in the early second. Okay, coach, 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:43.040 appreciate you don't worry about my work, no problem. And 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.720 guess who gets fired if he can't play? Not you, coach, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:49.160 I do. Yeah, that's the blurry lines of job description 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.360 is all that is? How what are you here to do? 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:53.800 Head coach? Go win games? Well, what's the best way 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:58.120 to win games? Well? What is his job? Is? To 0:13:58.760 --> 0:14:01.679 make the offense better? Here to call plays? Is he 0:14:01.800 --> 0:14:03.800 here too? You know there's so many things that go 0:14:03.840 --> 0:14:07.000 into that likes That's where it becomes very interesting because 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:08.679 I'm sure there are some coaches you are very good 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:12.440 at evaluating players, but you know, I think in general, 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.880 and we've seen this happen here where we feel pretty 0:14:14.880 --> 0:14:18.400 good about previous drafts. Maybe not immediate, like looking at 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:20.720 last year hasn't really paid off yet, but they didn't 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:22.480 have a pick to the late second round, but you 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.320 know it, feel pretty good about the track record they've 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.440 put in building this roster of the last five, six, 0:14:26.440 --> 0:14:28.080 seven years. And a lot of that's because you get 0:14:28.120 --> 0:14:30.560 the vibe that for the most part, they were letting 0:14:30.600 --> 0:14:32.480 the scouts do their work. Now, you still have these 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:35.360 examples of going, man, I think Rod Marinelli got his 0:14:35.440 --> 0:14:38.520 guy here, or I think Kellen Moore got to pick 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:41.080 Tony Pollard here. You know whether that was true or not. 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:43.760 You still have those examples of things happening. But for 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:46.080 the most part, you feel like Will mcclay's kind of 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:47.960 let the scouts do the work and they go do 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:51.000 the right thing. Yeah, well, and kind of sticking with 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:54.680 the entire draft process, I mean, the drills at the combine, 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:57.080 even though that is the primetime television, that's what all 0:14:57.120 --> 0:15:01.640 the fans want to watch. It's just small piece of 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.040 the entire draft process. You got the Senior Bowl to 0:15:04.120 --> 0:15:07.760 kind of start it off, combine measurements, medicals, etc. Then 0:15:07.800 --> 0:15:09.920 you go into the drills and then after that, then 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:11.720 you've got pro days and everything else where. You see 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:15.120 even more drills even before you get to the Dallas 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:17.960 Days and the extra workouts that these teams have. But 0:15:18.240 --> 0:15:21.040 that brings me to the question of how relevant are 0:15:21.080 --> 0:15:23.880 the drills at the combine? How much do scouts kind 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.360 of paying onto this, Because I was talking to somebody 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.880 in the scouting world just a couple days ago and 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:32.680 he said, in his opinion of it was it's for show. 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:35.280 It is for show. You've got the forty yard dash, 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:37.360 the bench press where they put two twenty five on 0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.040 the bar, and then you count the reps from their 0:15:39.520 --> 0:15:43.480 vertical jump, broad jump, three cone drills, shuttle run. There's 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:46.840 so many different drills here, But how relevant are they? 0:15:47.080 --> 0:15:49.000 I think they're relevant. It's just a matter of what 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:51.320 you're using for which prospect. And I think that's that's 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.080 why we're seeing changes because I think a lot of 0:15:53.080 --> 0:15:56.000 people realize that a lot of it's outdated. The bench 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:58.400 press is pointless. Yeah, there is no point in the 0:15:58.400 --> 0:16:00.200 bench press, which is why it won't make it long. 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:02.960 Maybe if you wanted to do something in a weight 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:06.720 room that truly measured power in some way, yeah, what 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:11.240 would you do? Not bench press power? Clean? Hand clean? 0:16:11.320 --> 0:16:13.400 I don't know. I'm not sure exactly, but like the 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:16.560 bench press, who cares. I don't. Even as an offensive lineman, 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.960 I don't block just by punching you. It's there's so 0:16:20.080 --> 0:16:24.800 much more that goes into it. But just for example, 0:16:25.560 --> 0:16:27.240 when we get these guys whose job it is to 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:29.240 rush the passer, I want to know their ten yards split, 0:16:29.240 --> 0:16:30.560 when they run the forty, I want to know their 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:32.200 three cone. And now I want to know their hoop 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.360 time since there's a new drill where we're going to 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:36.520 run a figure eight, Because yes, I want to know 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:38.240 if you're flexible in your ankles. I want to know 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.320 if you can turn the corner. And your tape will 0:16:40.320 --> 0:16:42.280 give me a really good idea of that, but I 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:44.640 want to verify that with your athletic testing. And if 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:47.960 you do that, then hey, check check, check, and now 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:51.400 you go in the top ten. Like for different positions, 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.840 there are different things that to me matter, but there 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.000 are also a lot of things that they're doing that 0:16:58.360 --> 0:17:02.040 couldn't care less. It's very funny. Yeah, like the forty 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:06.000 everybody knows it's overblown, you know, things like the vertical 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:08.879 and the broad like they they demonstrate athletic ability. But 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.680 I think we would all agree it's not necessarily that important, 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:14.719 assuming you hit a certain threshold. But then, like you know, 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:17.160 if you listen to this show, there's a pretty good 0:17:17.200 --> 0:17:20.080 chance that you're active on Twitter or other social mediums 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:22.760 about the draft, and like people hang on those three 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:25.919 cone times though, yeah, like you are. You want to 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.680 see the three cone times for pass rushers, shuttle times, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.200 anything that change that demonstrates your bend or your change 0:17:33.200 --> 0:17:36.320 of direction is like a big freaking deal, and it 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:38.359 will be this year. I think it should be because 0:17:38.720 --> 0:17:41.679 if you're a if you're a pass rusher and you 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:44.600 want to consider a guy great prospect, then I think 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:47.159 there are pass rush tools that you almost have to possess, 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:49.560 and one of those is I can win outside. So 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:50.960 I want to know how quickly can you get off 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:52.520 the ball, and I can measure that. I want to 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.680 know how quickly can you flatten the corner to the quarterback, 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:59.160 and I can measure that, so I do think those 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.960 ones matter. And then there's other even other positions where 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:05.360 almost nothing matters. For running back, I couldn't care less 0:18:05.400 --> 0:18:07.560 about a single drill you do. I'll watch you play, 0:18:07.600 --> 0:18:09.639 and I'm doing better job of evaluating you than this. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.000 I would like it if you could get under four 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:15.040 to seven in the forty yard dash. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, 0:18:15.560 --> 0:18:17.160 I'm just saying, yeah, I don't want you to run 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:19.520 like me. Yeah, but I mean I should be able 0:18:19.560 --> 0:18:22.320 to tell on tape. Yeah. And there's just like you said, 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:26.240 there's specific drills that kind of correlate with specific positions. 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.560 And I threw together a list of these kind of 0:18:28.560 --> 0:18:30.600 as a cheat sheet for those who may not know 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.280 the NFL combine. There's a lot of information on a 0:18:33.280 --> 0:18:36.080 graphic for those of you watching at home. Now, feel 0:18:36.080 --> 0:18:38.080 free to disagree with me here. These are just my 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:42.119 opinion on what counts in terms of combined cheat sheets. 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:44.520 I have the quarterbacks as the interviews the most important 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.080 part of the weekend, the running backs, three cone drill, 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:49.920 wide receivers, vertical jump in forty yard dash just to 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.359 see speed and burst in. Then the ten yard intervals. 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.639 I've got the tight ends at vertical jump, offensive line 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.959 broad jump, and forty yard dash, the defensive line broad 0:19:01.080 --> 0:19:03.480 jump as well, along with the bench which I know 0:19:03.520 --> 0:19:05.119 you just said bench doesn't count, so I feel like 0:19:05.119 --> 0:19:07.800 you're going to disagree there. Ed Rusher's three cone drill, 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:10.960 shuttle run for the linebackers, position drills for cornerbacks, and 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.120 then safety's also position drills and then the shuttle run 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:15.879 there as well. I know a position that I found 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:18.280 myself over the years kind of watching the time on 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:20.520 a little bit is tight end a little bit, because 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.359