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Speaker 1: three days until the NFL Draft in a week until
Speaker 1: drills at Lucas Oil Stadium. The NFL Combine is right
Speaker 1: around the corner, but the Draft Show continues. Jeff Cavanaugh
Speaker 1: alongside Kevin Turner and David Hellman. Is bad. Yeah, welcome back, buddy,
Speaker 1: Thanks man. I'm glad to have you back. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: got some draft beers in New Orleans last week? Like that?
Speaker 1: Does that count as the drift like draft coverage? Yes?
Speaker 1: I think it would, and that I appreciate that because
Speaker 1: I was not watching tape last week. I have to admit.
Speaker 1: You don't have to apologize. It got to be plenty
Speaker 1: of time left for you to Yeah, I got to
Speaker 1: catch up on anything that you might have missed. But
Speaker 1: I'm just glad that the four of us could come
Speaker 1: back and combine our brains together. That was rough. He
Speaker 1: told me he was going to do that, and still
Speaker 1: I still wasn't ready for it. Well, then you've got
Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh on the corner, all dappered up today. Look
Speaker 1: at that. Got to tell you, I'm surprised you guys
Speaker 1: don't realize. I've always been a big suit guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to wear the suits pretty much to it
Speaker 1: every day, except when I come up here. I thought
Speaker 1: today and where I do what I normally do, which
Speaker 1: is wear suits. You wear your hats and Miller light
Speaker 1: like work shirts. Picture every day. Yeah, work had some
Speaker 1: changes made. Gotta update the photos, okay, Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: to dapper up a little bit for the photos. But
Speaker 1: the time for a haircut though, so sloppy. That's okay.
Speaker 1: At least you don't have the hat on. You could
Speaker 1: have put the hat on. I got some product in
Speaker 1: the bag. I fix that up. Yeah, slick that stuff
Speaker 1: back a little bit. Well, no, what you do now?
Speaker 1: They got new product out where it doesn't slick it,
Speaker 1: it'll just kind of hold it. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: think this, You think this happens naturally. I thought that
Speaker 1: was old school gel Oh no, this is like paste baby, Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't realize you guys spent so much time on
Speaker 1: your hair styling cream. Yeah, styling. You would think we
Speaker 1: would look better if we did, but we don't. It's fine.
Speaker 1: Then there's Katie and I just wear a hat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: throw on the mean green hat. Yeah. Supporting the Texas
Speaker 1: Rangers in North Texas at the same time, absolutely, okay,
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. But just about four days until
Speaker 1: team personnel show up in Indianapolis for the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: NFL Combine and of course, combining our efforts. As the
Speaker 1: words of Kevin Turner, we're going to go through the
Speaker 1: NFL Combine from a general term. At the beginning of
Speaker 1: the show, we're going to go through kind of what
Speaker 1: exactly is important about the NFL scouting combine. We got
Speaker 1: Twitter on the twenty coming up in the next segment,
Speaker 1: and then in the final segment, we'll look through some
Speaker 1: of the specific players and teams that are going to
Speaker 1: be looking for certain things in the combine, but kind
Speaker 1: of the start things off here today, guys wanted to
Speaker 1: kind of talk about in terms of coaches, scouts, teams,
Speaker 1: all the personnel that are going to show up on
Speaker 1: Sunday to get this thing started. What is the highest
Speaker 1: value of the NFL Combine. Take a page right out
Speaker 1: of Day in Bruckler's playbook and let you know that.
Speaker 1: It's the medicals. Yeah. Absolutely, and that's you know, it's
Speaker 1: very obvious. This is going to be a very interesting
Speaker 1: departure for the NFL Combine this year, the thanks that
Speaker 1: the NFL is going to to monetize it basically, I
Speaker 1: mean it's it's true. Drills are moving to primetime, interviews
Speaker 1: are moving to the morning afternoon. They're doing that in
Speaker 1: a bid to increase TV ratings. The reason I bring
Speaker 1: this up in the first place is that I think
Speaker 1: the NFL is desperate to get the combine out of Indianapolis.
Speaker 1: But NFL clubs love having it there because it is
Speaker 1: a centrally located city with three or four hospital facilities
Speaker 1: right there downtown. It's very easy to bust three hundred
Speaker 1: players around and get cat scans, MRI's, you know, medical,
Speaker 1: what's the word. I'm looking for physicals. Thank you, David,
Speaker 1: You're welcome. It's just super it's super efficient. And that's
Speaker 1: one of the biggest reasons why this happens in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: is because it's all right there. It's all easy to
Speaker 1: get to and they've been doing it since the late eighties,
Speaker 1: so they know what they're doing. Something shouldn't change, like
Speaker 1: the sexy events, the super Bowl, the Draft. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: put them in the big cities. Yeah, right here. This
Speaker 1: is a little dirty work. We're getting serious about the
Speaker 1: Combine in the draft. Put in Indianapolis and keep it there.
Speaker 1: That is the great tug of war though, is like
Speaker 1: that is you just spoke for football people everywhere, scouts
Speaker 1: and evaluators and the moneymakers see things differently. That's why
Speaker 1: drills are happening at night. Now. I'm fascinated to see.
Speaker 1: I don't know how much longer the contract runs there,
Speaker 1: but I'm very curious to see if it stays in
Speaker 1: Indianapolis long term. We'll move to Combine to Chicago, and
Speaker 1: good luck getting from the North Side all the way
Speaker 1: to the South Side to get to go get your
Speaker 1: players who are getting checked up. But for mine, I
Speaker 1: mean becomes a beating. Jevon, Jevon Kenlon, Jeff Skuy, A
Speaker 1: million other guys are going to go through there. Guys
Speaker 1: that we don't even know of with medical issues are
Speaker 1: going to crop up. I remember it was I think
Speaker 1: it was two years ago that Maurice Hurst was a
Speaker 1: favorite to be the Cowboys pick in the first round
Speaker 1: at nineteen, had an irregular heartbeat and fell to the
Speaker 1: fifth round. Reggie Raglan too, Remember the Alabama line there,
Speaker 1: there's an Alabama guy with medical issues. Ever be one
Speaker 1: guy it's got a heart problem that will happen, you'll
Speaker 1: find it. It's you know, And that's the that's kind
Speaker 1: of the scary thing about evaluating too, Like, Okay, I
Speaker 1: don't try not to let the combine change too much,
Speaker 1: and then there will be things that happen medically that
Speaker 1: make you okay, well, I can't have this guy up
Speaker 1: here on my board anymore. And then there's other elements
Speaker 1: of the combine as well that makes you go okay,
Speaker 1: well and well, it's hard to know. Like for us
Speaker 1: because we're not going to be interviewing the players, but
Speaker 1: for the teams they will be changing their board based
Speaker 1: on all kinds of little things that happen in Indianapolis
Speaker 1: that might not even be on the field. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean there's plenty to look at when it comes to
Speaker 1: the medicals. You'd even talk about interviews. I know a
Speaker 1: lot of teams look at these interviews as their first
Speaker 1: contact with some of these guys and really trying to
Speaker 1: find out exactly what was the laugh there for. Well, no,
Speaker 1: I just think, like when I think about the interviews,
Speaker 1: I think about how insane it is. And they've changed
Speaker 1: it to to eight eighteen minute interviews now instead of
Speaker 1: fifteen minute interviews I think. But they also cut the
Speaker 1: number that you get from sixty to forty five. So
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get fewer players in and I'm gonna use
Speaker 1: those three minutes on these guys that I'm getting targeted.
Speaker 1: What can you know about a person in three minutes? Well,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, no idea. You can get him
Speaker 1: into a staring contest like that was the big thing
Speaker 1: that came out of last year's combine, right, figure out
Speaker 1: if they got a tongue ring. Okay, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's gonna stop you from drafting the guy didn't Kamara
Speaker 1: have a thing at the combine where somebody asked him
Speaker 1: about something a piece of jewelry and nose ring or
Speaker 1: something and they're like, can you take that out or
Speaker 1: that doesn't look professional, and he was like, don't draft me.
Speaker 1: It's an I mean, it's an annual thing though, Darius Guice,
Speaker 1: you know what the stuff? You know, team's asking him
Speaker 1: if he was the one that he said that, they
Speaker 1: asked if he was gay. I believe, like just all
Speaker 1: kinds of bizarre stuff comes out of these these interviews.
Speaker 1: Last Jeffrey single, Yes I am coaching. You can't. I
Speaker 1: gotta tell you you're looking good today, comfortable. That's a
Speaker 1: you problem. Don't draft me, Fine, don't. I'll go to
Speaker 1: your division and beat you. Like yeah, last year, I
Speaker 1: think the favorite one because there's no there was no
Speaker 1: really track record on and there's no rap I guess
Speaker 1: is what I would say, there's no rap sheet, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm going Jakai polite, polite, polite, the Florida Edge Rusher,
Speaker 1: and then you here comes up. Well, some teams just
Speaker 1: weren't just really weren't vibing with him. They didn't really
Speaker 1: like the way he carried himself and I'm like, can
Speaker 1: you rush the passer? And then it turns out he
Speaker 1: does fall all the way to day three and maybe
Speaker 1: some of those things were warranted. Oh god, And remember
Speaker 1: I mean the combine too, and had a terrible, terrible,
Speaker 1: terrible combine. Yeah. How many how many years ago did
Speaker 1: Ruben Foster like freak out during the medical evaluation, which
Speaker 1: like it's like three years ago if you think, if
Speaker 1: you think about it, I mean, you know you but
Speaker 1: you're waiting around all day to go through this stuff
Speaker 1: like that's I don't think people quite understand, like we
Speaker 1: only see these players for the hour that they're on
Speaker 1: the field running drills. The rest of the time, you're
Speaker 1: just being ushered from interviews to medicals, you're waiting in
Speaker 1: line to get in the MRI all that type of stuff.
Speaker 1: And yeah, Ruben Foster didn't handle it very well. So
Speaker 1: there's a lot of interesting stuff that can be gleaned
Speaker 1: from this. However, Mundane, you might think it might be
Speaker 1: this is a strange one, but because he went in
Speaker 1: the first round. But do you think the Vikings had
Speaker 1: hardcore discussions with Laquon Treadwell when they're meeting with him
Speaker 1: at the Combine about picking up route concepts and having
Speaker 1: to learn a way different offense than he was running
Speaker 1: at Mississippi, where he only ran three routes. Do you
Speaker 1: think those conversations happened because they would have been tipped
Speaker 1: off to man, Maybe this is a bit of a
Speaker 1: red flag. And I know they make them go do
Speaker 1: boardwork sometimes and things like that. Like I just I
Speaker 1: just don't know, Like I don't know how much you
Speaker 1: can find out about a person in fifteen minutes. I
Speaker 1: think come into decisions like this. I think you brought
Speaker 1: treadwell up on purpose just to make me feel bad,
Speaker 1: not I would make everyone feel Yeah, yeah, everybody thought
Speaker 1: it was good. We all screwed that one up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was one of those kind of sure fire things
Speaker 1: and it wasn't as sure fire as we thought. But
Speaker 1: kind of going back to what Dave said talking about
Speaker 1: the entirety of the week, I've got the schedule out here.
Speaker 1: This is the general player schedule. Talk to Bonham and
Speaker 1: it starts Sunday where the tight ends, quarterbacks, and wide
Speaker 1: receivers arrive in Indy. Then you've got registration, orientation, interviews, measurements,
Speaker 1: pre exam at the hospital interviews, then the next day
Speaker 1: media what a medical exams, position, coach interview, psychological testing.
Speaker 1: Then you've got the NFLPA meeting, interviews, bench press, psychological
Speaker 1: testing for a second straight day limited testing and interviews,
Speaker 1: and on field workout and then you'd leave. I would
Speaker 1: show up five days. I think I'd show up on
Speaker 1: day four or whenever we get on the field, and
Speaker 1: they'd be like, hey, you know you're supposed to be
Speaker 1: here for all these other things, and I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: and if that hurts my draft stock, that sucks. So
Speaker 1: but man, that sounded terrible. That's a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: How long do we get to a point when I
Speaker 1: mean you look at right now in terms of training
Speaker 1: camps and OTAs and things like that, people are skipping
Speaker 1: for contract reasons. How long until we see some of
Speaker 1: these high end college guys skipping combine exams and workouts
Speaker 1: and things like that. If this keeps going with you know,
Speaker 1: moving the drills tonight and like making it a television
Speaker 1: event and it becomes more profitable and starts getting legitimate
Speaker 1: TV ratings, I don't think that's far behind. Yeah, especially
Speaker 1: and yeah, to Kat's point, how much can you really
Speaker 1: learn about a guy in fifteen and eighteen minutes, not
Speaker 1: a lot. That's why this is just one or the
Speaker 1: first step in the process. That's why if you really
Speaker 1: like any of these guys, you're going to bring them
Speaker 1: to your facility and spend two days with them. And
Speaker 1: now a lot of these guys not all of them,
Speaker 1: but a lot of these guys have someone training them
Speaker 1: on what to say in almost every situation. Absolutely so
Speaker 1: is that really getting to know someone? Someone who's telling
Speaker 1: you something just so they can make a little more money.
Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about here. We're talking about the
Speaker 1: difference in back of the first round money compared to
Speaker 1: third round money, you know, or how far a guy
Speaker 1: could slide. You gotta go through all that stuff. You
Speaker 1: don't show up to that stuff. Teams are gonna trust you,
Speaker 1: they're gonna think something's up. Of course, there's way more
Speaker 1: that goes into it than we could even talk about.
Speaker 1: But like, and there's so much of we probably don't
Speaker 1: even know, you know. But I'm always like, I always
Speaker 1: think it's funny that I remember the year I've only
Speaker 1: covered one combine. I'll be honest, but I remember Jeff
Speaker 1: was at a podium and he was talking to Jared
Speaker 1: Goff and that was the story of the day, was
Speaker 1: the measurement of Jared Goff's hands and about and you
Speaker 1: know what, it might still matter given how he's played
Speaker 1: in cold weather. But I just think it's amazing how
Speaker 1: much little bit of freak out happens when we're talking
Speaker 1: about a quarter of an inch. I want to get
Speaker 1: into that in the third segment though, because yeah, I
Speaker 1: remember that too, and it's silly, but like it's kind
Speaker 1: of some of this silly stuff hasn't been to it too,
Speaker 1: which is what makes this so fascinating. I just think
Speaker 1: we're reaching a breaking point at some point soon with
Speaker 1: the Combine in terms of like is it a money
Speaker 1: making event? Is an evaluators event? Actually, I read this
Speaker 1: morning the Rams and the Broncos aren't sending their staffs
Speaker 1: to the combine, like they're sending their you know, their
Speaker 1: upper echelon people, but like everybody else is staying behind
Speaker 1: because they're like, we can get everything that we need
Speaker 1: to get out of this from Afar. I think every
Speaker 1: team should do that. Why I don't want the coaches
Speaker 1: there because I don't want to coaches drafting the players.
Speaker 1: I would much rather my scouts be the ones that
Speaker 1: are doing. It's really weird to me in the NFL
Speaker 1: how many teams empower a coach to have a big
Speaker 1: voice in a draft room. Because if you've hired people
Speaker 1: who you think are capable, that are in your scouting
Speaker 1: department and they spend literally years working on each player.
Speaker 1: We got this. We can rank these guys. We're okay,
Speaker 1: we'll pick the right guys, and then you coach them.
Speaker 1: I don't want the offensive coordinator in the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: They're falling in love with the prospect and like, hey,
Speaker 1: where you guys got him on a third round? All right,
Speaker 1: well we're gonna take him in the early second. Okay, coach,
Speaker 1: appreciate you don't worry about my work, no problem. And
Speaker 1: guess who gets fired if he can't play? Not you, coach,
Speaker 1: I do. Yeah, that's the blurry lines of job description
Speaker 1: is all that is? How what are you here to do?
Speaker 1: Head coach? Go win games? Well, what's the best way
Speaker 1: to win games? Well? What is his job? Is? To
Speaker 1: make the offense better? Here to call plays? Is he
Speaker 1: here too? You know there's so many things that go
Speaker 1: into that likes That's where it becomes very interesting because
Speaker 1: I'm sure there are some coaches you are very good
Speaker 1: at evaluating players, but you know, I think in general,
Speaker 1: and we've seen this happen here where we feel pretty
Speaker 1: good about previous drafts. Maybe not immediate, like looking at
Speaker 1: last year hasn't really paid off yet, but they didn't
Speaker 1: have a pick to the late second round, but you
Speaker 1: know it, feel pretty good about the track record they've
Speaker 1: put in building this roster of the last five, six,
Speaker 1: seven years. And a lot of that's because you get
Speaker 1: the vibe that for the most part, they were letting
Speaker 1: the scouts do their work. Now, you still have these
Speaker 1: examples of going, man, I think Rod Marinelli got his
Speaker 1: guy here, or I think Kellen Moore got to pick
Speaker 1: Tony Pollard here. You know whether that was true or not.
Speaker 1: You still have those examples of things happening. But for
Speaker 1: the most part, you feel like Will mcclay's kind of
Speaker 1: let the scouts do the work and they go do
Speaker 1: the right thing. Yeah, well, and kind of sticking with
Speaker 1: the entire draft process, I mean, the drills at the combine,
Speaker 1: even though that is the primetime television, that's what all
Speaker 1: the fans want to watch. It's just small piece of
Speaker 1: the entire draft process. You got the Senior Bowl to
Speaker 1: kind of start it off, combine measurements, medicals, etc. Then
Speaker 1: you go into the drills and then after that, then
Speaker 1: you've got pro days and everything else where. You see
Speaker 1: even more drills even before you get to the Dallas
Speaker 1: Days and the extra workouts that these teams have. But
Speaker 1: that brings me to the question of how relevant are
Speaker 1: the drills at the combine? How much do scouts kind
Speaker 1: of paying onto this, Because I was talking to somebody
Speaker 1: in the scouting world just a couple days ago and
Speaker 1: he said, in his opinion of it was it's for show.
Speaker 1: It is for show. You've got the forty yard dash,
Speaker 1: the bench press where they put two twenty five on
Speaker 1: the bar, and then you count the reps from their
Speaker 1: vertical jump, broad jump, three cone drills, shuttle run. There's
Speaker 1: so many different drills here, But how relevant are they?
Speaker 1: I think they're relevant. It's just a matter of what
Speaker 1: you're using for which prospect. And I think that's that's
Speaker 1: why we're seeing changes because I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people realize that a lot of it's outdated. The bench
Speaker 1: press is pointless. Yeah, there is no point in the
Speaker 1: bench press, which is why it won't make it long.
Speaker 1: Maybe if you wanted to do something in a weight
Speaker 1: room that truly measured power in some way, yeah, what
Speaker 1: would you do? Not bench press power? Clean? Hand clean?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not sure exactly, but like the
Speaker 1: bench press, who cares. I don't. Even as an offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: I don't block just by punching you. It's there's so
Speaker 1: much more that goes into it. But just for example,
Speaker 1: when we get these guys whose job it is to
Speaker 1: rush the passer, I want to know their ten yards split,
Speaker 1: when they run the forty, I want to know their
Speaker 1: three cone. And now I want to know their hoop
Speaker 1: time since there's a new drill where we're going to
Speaker 1: run a figure eight, Because yes, I want to know
Speaker 1: if you're flexible in your ankles. I want to know
Speaker 1: if you can turn the corner. And your tape will
Speaker 1: give me a really good idea of that, but I
Speaker 1: want to verify that with your athletic testing. And if
Speaker 1: you do that, then hey, check check, check, and now
Speaker 1: you go in the top ten. Like for different positions,
Speaker 1: there are different things that to me matter, but there
Speaker 1: are also a lot of things that they're doing that
Speaker 1: couldn't care less. It's very funny. Yeah, like the forty
Speaker 1: everybody knows it's overblown, you know, things like the vertical
Speaker 1: and the broad like they they demonstrate athletic ability. But
Speaker 1: I think we would all agree it's not necessarily that important,
Speaker 1: assuming you hit a certain threshold. But then, like you know,
Speaker 1: if you listen to this show, there's a pretty good
Speaker 1: chance that you're active on Twitter or other social mediums
Speaker 1: about the draft, and like people hang on those three
Speaker 1: cone times though, yeah, like you are. You want to
Speaker 1: see the three cone times for pass rushers, shuttle times,
Speaker 1: anything that change that demonstrates your bend or your change
Speaker 1: of direction is like a big freaking deal, and it
Speaker 1: will be this year. I think it should be because
Speaker 1: if you're a if you're a pass rusher and you
Speaker 1: want to consider a guy great prospect, then I think
Speaker 1: there are pass rush tools that you almost have to possess,
Speaker 1: and one of those is I can win outside. So
Speaker 1: I want to know how quickly can you get off
Speaker 1: the ball, and I can measure that. I want to
Speaker 1: know how quickly can you flatten the corner to the quarterback,
Speaker 1: and I can measure that, so I do think those
Speaker 1: ones matter. And then there's other even other positions where
Speaker 1: almost nothing matters. For running back, I couldn't care less
Speaker 1: about a single drill you do. I'll watch you play,
Speaker 1: and I'm doing better job of evaluating you than this.
Speaker 1: I would like it if you could get under four
Speaker 1: to seven in the forty yard dash. Yeah, I don't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, yeah, I don't want you to run
Speaker 1: like me. Yeah, but I mean I should be able
Speaker 1: to tell on tape. Yeah. And there's just like you said,
Speaker 1: there's specific drills that kind of correlate with specific positions.
Speaker 1: And I threw together a list of these kind of
Speaker 1: as a cheat sheet for those who may not know
Speaker 1: the NFL combine. There's a lot of information on a
Speaker 1: graphic for those of you watching at home. Now, feel
Speaker 1: free to disagree with me here. These are just my
Speaker 1: opinion on what counts in terms of combined cheat sheets.
Speaker 1: I have the quarterbacks as the interviews the most important
Speaker 1: part of the weekend, the running backs, three cone drill,
Speaker 1: wide receivers, vertical jump in forty yard dash just to
Speaker 1: see speed and burst in. Then the ten yard intervals.
Speaker 1: I've got the tight ends at vertical jump, offensive line
Speaker 1: broad jump, and forty yard dash, the defensive line broad
Speaker 1: jump as well, along with the bench which I know
Speaker 1: you just said bench doesn't count, so I feel like
Speaker 1: you're going to disagree there. Ed Rusher's three cone drill,
Speaker 1: shuttle run for the linebackers, position drills for cornerbacks, and
Speaker 1: then safety's also position drills and then the shuttle run
Speaker 1: there as well. I know a position that I found
Speaker 1: myself over the years kind of watching the time on
Speaker 1: a little bit is tight end a little bit, because
Speaker 1: I do want to know what's the difference is is
Speaker 1: Hunter Bryant really going to be that much faster than
Speaker 1: Cole commit? You know, does that affect how you think
Speaker 1: of things a little bit? So that's where I kind
Speaker 1: of look at the forties or more it tight ends
Speaker 1: than it is the wide receivers, and like the Henry
Speaker 1: Ruggs is going to be sexy and Jalen rag or
Speaker 1: those guys are gonna run. You know, yeah, really, well
Speaker 1: what everyone's watching, that's what That's what the prime time
Speaker 1: stuff is for, right, But like the tight ends, that
Speaker 1: kind of I do like watching those and some of
Speaker 1: those corners too. You have some corners where you kind
Speaker 1: of look at their time and go, Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: know if he can run that well. I don't know
Speaker 1: if if he plays that fast. But I think all
Speaker 1: this is just a hodgepodge into like we're talking about
Speaker 1: the three cone drill a little bit, it's all about
Speaker 1: expectations of the player as well. Well if you've studied
Speaker 1: some of the player. I'm not necessarily expecting aj Epinessa
Speaker 1: from Iowa to have the best three cone drill. That's
Speaker 1: what I do, who he is, But what if he does,
Speaker 1: That's what changes things. So like that, those are the
Speaker 1: things that kind of it's used this as just a
Speaker 1: little bit of evidence to add to the complete courtroom
Speaker 1: case of what this player. It's just a supplemental informational
Speaker 1: graph is kind of what it is as a whole.
Speaker 1: And that's kind of why I wanted to talk about
Speaker 1: the relevance of these drills and where exactly those will
Speaker 1: come out. And we'll talk about some of that relevance
Speaker 1: later on with specific players and who needs to perform where.
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Speaker 1: just a fantastic weekend and then now it's gone back
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Speaker 1: I packed a hoodie a couple of shirts. I couldn't
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Speaker 1: all right. I'm excited about that. But I'm also excited
Speaker 1: about getting into some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on
Speaker 1: the Twitter, got it that time you have arrived. I've
Speaker 1: done like three or four those in a row. I'm
Speaker 1: pretty happy about it. Let's go to the first question.
Speaker 1: This one comes from Daniel, and Daniel asked if the
Speaker 1: first round goes as perfect as possible and Jordan's Love
Speaker 1: was looking at you in the second round. Am I
Speaker 1: the only one who would take him at fifty one
Speaker 1: if I were the Dallas Cowboys. Guess if you get
Speaker 1: a quarterback who's gonna go in the top twenty at
Speaker 1: fifty one? Yeah, I'll take him. In what world is
Speaker 1: Jordan Love gonna be there at fifty one? But Jake
Speaker 1: From No. Fifty one? Ye? Can we talk like if
Speaker 1: he's there on day three? We can talk? Oh see,
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go before fifty one. No, I
Speaker 1: think I think From Or I think From will go
Speaker 1: before fifty one. Jake From being out of Georgia, of course,
Speaker 1: I think Jake From's catching a lot of hate. Jake
Speaker 1: From's catching a little too much hate. I don't think
Speaker 1: you're crazy for thinking that he because quarterbacks are always overvalued.
Speaker 1: But I would not draft him at fifty one. Okay,
Speaker 1: just for the sake of Jordan's Love quarterback out of
Speaker 1: Utah State, exactly. I know, like you said, you're sold
Speaker 1: that he's gonna go time twenty Jeff uh go in
Speaker 1: the first round and top I would yeah, I would
Speaker 1: make an even money wager that he goes top two.
Speaker 1: So were there four quarterbacks first round eligible? Oh? I
Speaker 1: think there's three quarterbacks going in the top six. Yes,
Speaker 1: because you'll have Burrow two out of Alabama, and then
Speaker 1: you've got because look at the team's picking there, Cincinnati
Speaker 1: needs a quarterback. Ye, Detroit might want a quarterback. If
Speaker 1: the Stafford rumors are true, he once a quarterback, Chargers
Speaker 1: one a quarterback. There's four in the top six. I
Speaker 1: don't think those rumors are true because like the Lions
Speaker 1: can't get rid of Stafford without just destroying their cap.
Speaker 1: But you might because if the rumor were true, then
Speaker 1: it would signify to me that they're going to tank.
Speaker 1: And then what do I care if I take a
Speaker 1: thirty two million dollar capit I'm tanking. But they also said,
Speaker 1: like we're keeping Patricia and the GM, but they have
Speaker 1: to perform next year, and so tanking is the opposite
Speaker 1: of that. To a time, okay, I mean, hey, to
Speaker 1: a time, okay to answer the question, Yeah, what was
Speaker 1: a question? I can't tell you honestly, because I'm kind
Speaker 1: of following. Look, I was taught by Brian broad Us,
Speaker 1: and when the Cowboys don't really need a quarterback, I
Speaker 1: kind of sit around and go, well, we assume our
Speaker 1: free agent quarterback. The quarterbacks until the end, because honestly,
Speaker 1: it is just so hard to watch a lot of
Speaker 1: these bad quarterbacks at the end of it. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: I do quarterbacks at the end, So I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: I've just seen a couple things from Jordan Love, so
Speaker 1: until I know more, I can't even give you a
Speaker 1: proper answer on this. What did you think about Jordan
Speaker 1: Love at the Senior Bowl? I think Jordan Love is
Speaker 1: a really good player, and like he looked good at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. I've you know, I watched him play
Speaker 1: LSU just because they played this year, and he was good.
Speaker 1: He's like, he is a talented guy. And it's the
Speaker 1: classic case of like, you know, if he was on
Speaker 1: a better team, how much better would he? Law school guy?
Speaker 1: Small schools competition? And the thing I've learned is like
Speaker 1: if NFL teams think you have talent, they're gonna draft
Speaker 1: you high, Like that's just what I mean. Literally, it
Speaker 1: sounds crazy to say this now, but we started out
Speaker 1: the draft show in twenty seventeen, Like you think Pat
Speaker 1: Mahomes is a first round pick? Like his tapes so crazy,
Speaker 1: Like how do you even get a read on this guy?
Speaker 1: Goes top ten best player in the league. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: obviously I'm not, and that's going to happen with Jordan Love.
Speaker 1: But like, if you play quarterback and NFL evaluators think
Speaker 1: you have the talent to start in the NFL, they're
Speaker 1: in draft, you're high. Nobody thought Daniel Jones was a
Speaker 1: top ten pick until the Giants and was there. Yeah. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: Well we're talking about like Washington. We're talking about Oh
Speaker 1: if you're if you're Washington, you can't trade out of
Speaker 1: their Chase Young's an elite prospect. Well, if Jordan Love
Speaker 1: turns out to be a capable NFL quarterback, he's infinitely
Speaker 1: more important than Chase Young, even if Chase Young goes
Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. Absolutely, because that's the name
Speaker 1: of the game. The quarterback has a massive impact on
Speaker 1: the outcome of a game and no other individual player does. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Jordan Love, if somebody thinks he can be a starting quarterback.
Speaker 1: He should go in the first round, and I think
Speaker 1: he will, and I think, you know, I think from
Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't shock me if he goes as high
Speaker 1: as you say you will. The thing for me is
Speaker 1: we all agree, like by the time April twenty third
Speaker 1: rolls around, we think Dak Prescott will be signed sure
Speaker 1: for the purpose or act or he'll be tag tag
Speaker 1: either way, Like he's here, he's here, He's the guy
Speaker 1: you're committing to. How can you afford to spend a
Speaker 1: top basically a top fifty pick on a guy that
Speaker 1: you are hoping won't play. I mean they're because you're
Speaker 1: grooming him during Dak's year on the tag and then
Speaker 1: you're gonna let Dak go. Yeah, okay, and and that
Speaker 1: would be the thing. And Jeff smile and kind of
Speaker 1: grin here, that would be the thing. Okay. I can't
Speaker 1: tell if it's tongue in cheek or if you're legitimately
Speaker 1: excited about it. Oh no, I would not be excited
Speaker 1: about well. I mean I'm a team builder at heart,
Speaker 1: so i'd be interested in it. I'll say this, if
Speaker 1: you want to do that with Jordan Love. I'm at
Speaker 1: least intrigued. If you're trying to do that with Jake From,
Speaker 1: I'm so out, Like you're trying to find somebody to
Speaker 1: keep this thing on the track. Dave, I don't need superstars,
Speaker 1: just a game man. Yes you do. That's literally the
Speaker 1: conversation we're having right now. It's like, well, Duck's pretty good,
Speaker 1: but he's not a superstar. Like, if you're moving on
Speaker 1: from Dak, it better be for a clear upgrade. Jake
Speaker 1: From's definitely not that I doubt Jordan Love is either
Speaker 1: pretty good cheap works out. We're kind of talking about
Speaker 1: some of the scenarios with the E. J Wilson brings
Speaker 1: us our next question, who were some likely teams willing
Speaker 1: to trade up to seventeen if the Cowboys want to
Speaker 1: move down a couple of spots, and what players would
Speaker 1: still need to be on the board for this to happen.
Speaker 1: New Orleans, New England, Jordan Love, Jordan Love is New
Speaker 1: Orleans and New England are at twenty three and twenty four.
Speaker 1: You get Jordan Love to make it to seventeen, one
Speaker 1: of them comes up for Jordan Love, you move back,
Speaker 1: take a dB and you pick up a second or
Speaker 1: third round pick. I will say this though, and I'm
Speaker 1: one hundred percent on board with you, and like quarterbacks
Speaker 1: drive trades a lot of the time, but that's not
Speaker 1: always the case. Like we talked about this a few
Speaker 1: shows ago, like the Saints did a crazy trade for
Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport a few years ago. I think it's either
Speaker 1: a quarterback or the last of what some team views
Speaker 1: as an elite prospect. So for me, I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: thinking of offensive tackles because we've thought, you know, we've
Speaker 1: talked there's Thomas. There's five or six of them that
Speaker 1: can probably plug and play, and if a team that
Speaker 1: needs one is down to their last guy. Yeah, let's
Speaker 1: say I'm looking at the list right now. Let's say, like,
Speaker 1: you know, Willis is gonna go Jedrick Willis out of
Speaker 1: Alabama's gonna go early. I said I'd get better at
Speaker 1: saying school names. So there you go, Andrew Thomas out
Speaker 1: of Georgia, UM, Tristan Worth's out of Iowa, McKay Beckton
Speaker 1: out of Louisville. I know there's one more. I think
Speaker 1: probably think Jos out of Houston. There could be six
Speaker 1: ots Man and yeah, I think you could have put
Speaker 1: him up there just as well as Jouston Jackson. Aston Jackson,
Speaker 1: I think you could put him up there just as
Speaker 1: much as Josh Jones. So yeah, six or seven possibly worthy.
Speaker 1: You know, offensive tackles. We've seen teams though reach over
Speaker 1: the last few years. Two names that come to mind
Speaker 1: is the forty nine Ers taking Garnett from Stanford a
Speaker 1: few years ago that this. We've seen the Seahawk panic
Speaker 1: and taking offensive lineman you know late and you go,
Speaker 1: or someone taking a guard. I remember the lines taking
Speaker 1: lake in Tomlinson a little earlier than I think people
Speaker 1: thought they would offensive Guarden. I don't know if there's
Speaker 1: those interior alignment prospects are there, but yeah, maybe a
Speaker 1: team does get a little nervous about your interior offensive
Speaker 1: line and Galic Cushionberry or Caesar Ruiz or you know,
Speaker 1: one of those guys ends up going late in the
Speaker 1: first round, so and go for it. No, just you know,
Speaker 1: I'm looking like looking at team needs. I mean, you
Speaker 1: know the Patriots, which they're in that you know, Jeff
Speaker 1: just mentioned them. Another team that did, the Miami Dolphins
Speaker 1: traded Laramie Tunsel last year. They have a pick behind
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, assuming they don't trade it away to get
Speaker 1: somebody two picks by the Cowboys. Yeah, number twenty six
Speaker 1: as well. If it's not a quarterback, then I'm looking
Speaker 1: at elite prospects who are about to go off the board.
Speaker 1: Offensive tackle makes a lot of sense because there's so
Speaker 1: many of the Eagles or Bills, or a corner you
Speaker 1: were talking about. You were talking about the Patriots in
Speaker 1: the Saints, but the Bills have twenty two just ahead
Speaker 1: of both of those teams. However, there are two needs
Speaker 1: right now are edge rushers and wide receivers, and those
Speaker 1: are two of the classes that we've talked about that
Speaker 1: are very top heavy. Yeah, come draft day, so I
Speaker 1: could see the Bills potentially being a move to go
Speaker 1: up and get maybe a Rugs if he's there at seventeen,
Speaker 1: or a Rager if they like him that much, or
Speaker 1: even getting an edge rusher one of those guys that
Speaker 1: ends up falling. I think Buffalo could be a team
Speaker 1: that you could talk with. If I were them, I
Speaker 1: would probably sit still on receiver because the guy I
Speaker 1: like the most for them, I feel like it would
Speaker 1: be more likely with an edge rusher if they if
Speaker 1: one of those guys, and I don't like the class. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but no matter, Cowboys pick at seventeen if they pick
Speaker 1: a if they pick a pass rusher, I don't think
Speaker 1: I'll like the pick. Well, but maybe Chase On Maybe
Speaker 1: I think I would like that pick at seventeen. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I watched aj Epanessa recently. Yeah, I'm scared of rushers.
Speaker 1: You can't turn the corner uncomfortable. I'm comfortable with him
Speaker 1: at seven, I think I'm not I'm not fist pumping
Speaker 1: if ajp and S is the pick, but like, I'd
Speaker 1: be fine with that. For the Bills, I would want
Speaker 1: Laviska Chanald. I think at receiver and I don't know
Speaker 1: if you have to move for the you're not gonna
Speaker 1: move because because Josh Allen isn't gonna be pinpoint accurate,
Speaker 1: he never will be. But if I can just get
Speaker 1: a guy who it's like, look, just get him the
Speaker 1: ball and watch him work, I think works. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: makes sense. But he's another combined health check guy too.
Speaker 1: But you know the thing, We've saw this happen a
Speaker 1: few years ago with Taco Charlton when the Falcons traded
Speaker 1: up to get ahead of us mcley took attack McKinley. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that hasn't worked out great for them. But the Falcons
Speaker 1: picking at sixteen again, and I've kind of pinpointed them
Speaker 1: down as the team who's gonna take this year's Ryan
Speaker 1: Shay's eer type that makes you go, Okay, well we
Speaker 1: were gonna take him, yeah, but I guess we won't.
Speaker 1: But I'll also say this, the more I thought about
Speaker 1: this and the longer we've gotten, there's not a ton
Speaker 1: of names. It's seventeen that I'm going to be high
Speaker 1: fiving and excited about. There's a lot of players I
Speaker 1: will be comfortable about at seventeen, And that's what I'm
Speaker 1: kind of saying to me. The difference in seventeen and
Speaker 1: twenty four for what this team is going to be doing,
Speaker 1: likely going defense. Likely, I'm not sure that there's a
Speaker 1: huge difference and high five level, I guess, is what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If that makes it still add some depth
Speaker 1: on the back end with a couple extra picks later on,
Speaker 1: it does make sense. And I think most people would
Speaker 1: be happy if the Cowboys managed to trade back in
Speaker 1: this draft, assuming they stay in the first round. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you need somebody to want to come up as always well,
Speaker 1: and this drafts kind of set up, and we've seen
Speaker 1: this in the past, but this draft is kind of
Speaker 1: set up. And I don't know what the specific number is,
Speaker 1: but to me, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, that area in the
Speaker 1: draft all the way to twenty eight. There's a little difference,
Speaker 1: but ain't a huge difference in what we're talking about
Speaker 1: there because it's a very clear top tier of players
Speaker 1: plus the quarterbacks. And then you're just kind of sitting
Speaker 1: there going, okay, I was on the eight and eight treadmill.
Speaker 1: I didn't but able to really get into that mix there. Now,
Speaker 1: what would be a defensive player for you that would
Speaker 1: be a high fight for the Cowboys for them seemingly
Speaker 1: if the medicals check out, That's what I'm kind of saying.
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know. I mean Javon Kinloker, Kin
Speaker 1: Laws the guy that's that's the one. I think that
Speaker 1: My next Twitter on the twenty question, Matt Holdridge came
Speaker 1: out on Twitter on the twenty. He said, assuming the
Speaker 1: medicals check out and his knee, how close would kin
Speaker 1: Law have to be for you to trade up for him?
Speaker 1: Or do you stand pat because you don't want to
Speaker 1: lose more draft picks. You would have to pull up
Speaker 1: the chart because I did this yesterday. If you wanted
Speaker 1: to go up for and I played the game, if
Speaker 1: I wanted to go up for a defensive player, and
Speaker 1: I went with the three guys that I have above
Speaker 1: kin Law like Derek Brown, Okuda is as Simmons. If
Speaker 1: one of them makes it to ten, you're one in
Speaker 1: your two gets you there. In theory, it gets you there,
Speaker 1: and you're overpaying by a little bit, which is probably realistic.
Speaker 1: But if you're talking about getting to fourteen or fifteen,
Speaker 1: can I get up there for a four h these
Speaker 1: charts are you know, they vary there. There's not a
Speaker 1: universal one. But the one I'm looking at Cowboys pick
Speaker 1: at seventeen is worth nine fifty. You said fifteen, So
Speaker 1: they're they're down a difference of one point one hundred
Speaker 1: points to get to fifteen. And what is that is
Speaker 1: that less than their three? Uh? They're three is worth
Speaker 1: one eighty. But like again, like teams are going to
Speaker 1: do that deal right first round, well to two spots
Speaker 1: they would probably they wouldn't take it would take somebody's
Speaker 1: three to move. No, no, don't No, I mean, like,
Speaker 1: if you're going by the chart, I would say it
Speaker 1: would be the fourth would be the accurate number. Teams.
Speaker 1: I don't think teams will do that, and that I
Speaker 1: think you would have, like even to move as little
Speaker 1: as like three or four spots in the first round.
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to give up your third future three.
Speaker 1: Now I could give up is what I was thinking.
Speaker 1: What about they're worth less, But in theory, I'm overpaying
Speaker 1: if I use this year's three, next year's is worth
Speaker 1: less because it's a year away. I would give a
Speaker 1: next year three for Javon Kinlaw. Yeah, I think I'm
Speaker 1: talking about you're saying a one and yeah, correct, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd go from seventeen to fifteen if he's there, and
Speaker 1: I would give up a future three. I don't think
Speaker 1: teams would do that though, like to move away to
Speaker 1: be able to move away from what it's probably a
Speaker 1: blue chip player at pick fifteen, probably, I think the
Speaker 1: other team definitely would. I don't know if I don't
Speaker 1: think it makes sense if you're at seventeen and if
Speaker 1: you you've identified your guy and you feel like you've
Speaker 1: got to get ahead of Atlanta. Maybe, But if I'm
Speaker 1: Denver sitting at fifteen, I'll go, yeah, I'll take your
Speaker 1: future three. You're gonna give me a premium draft pick. Okay, great,
Speaker 1: to jump back two spots. I'm good. But this is
Speaker 1: Cowboys a little more urgent. I think the Cowboys window
Speaker 1: to win it feels a little more urgent than it
Speaker 1: does for Denver. You know, but I was looking at
Speaker 1: the second rounder. If you want to give up the
Speaker 1: second round pick, just doing the math. If you're going
Speaker 1: by the math, ten, maybe nine, that gets hipped to
Speaker 1: that yeah, ten area. I hate this, I really do.
Speaker 1: You made a really good point, Katie, about this. What
Speaker 1: happened to Okuda? Win? Did? He did? Fall off at
Speaker 1: the combine? Three quarterbacks went in the top six, Some
Speaker 1: offensive tackles went, Derek Brown went somehow o'cuda got down
Speaker 1: into the nine ten range. You ever one or two?
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't think about it, Yes you do.
Speaker 1: He's awesome. I don't like how far tam builder over here. Seriously,
Speaker 1: team Builder guy, you wouldn't give up a one or
Speaker 1: two for Okuda? Here's if you falls so far, then
Speaker 1: there's gotta be something wrong with him. Well, no, we're
Speaker 1: playing the game. You know what, It's not impossible that
Speaker 1: him will actually brown Rosa Simmons gets to nine or ten.
Speaker 1: It's not impossible at all. The Cowboys track record over
Speaker 1: the last three years is not so sterling that I
Speaker 1: trust them to hit on every pick anyway. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I would probably do it for a guy that good,
Speaker 1: a cornerback who will be you would hope would be
Speaker 1: elite for five years before you have to worry about
Speaker 1: paying him. Okay, I could do that if you're in
Speaker 1: the mix and then you're back there at eighty two
Speaker 1: and you're going, my god, I haven't done anything at
Speaker 1: safety defensive, well, okay, the defensive line is going to
Speaker 1: be turned over in free agency. To me, I said,
Speaker 1: talk to me after a free agency that I might
Speaker 1: be more willing to plug. We're to plug every hole
Speaker 1: in free agency. Not well, but we're going to address everything.
Speaker 1: The problem is that with the contracts that are coming
Speaker 1: up for this team, you need to be able to
Speaker 1: replace it with cheap labor, and you can't do that
Speaker 1: without draft picks. So I mean, in a in a
Speaker 1: hypothetical world where I can get Okuda for that, I
Speaker 1: probably would, But like I'm not giving up a draft
Speaker 1: pick to go up two spots to get Jevon Kenny
Speaker 1: bodies that are cheap. Yes, you need good players that
Speaker 1: are playing for and you've got a problem with that.
Speaker 1: But you can't hit on him if you don't have them.
Speaker 1: I can hit on him if I go get him
Speaker 1: in the top ten, then you have fewer players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I hit but and but then you just you
Speaker 1: have what you have right now, which is then you
Speaker 1: have a small number of expensive players and nobody else.
Speaker 1: You're guy. And that's not um okay, that's that's a
Speaker 1: low blow. He wasn't my guy once. Once ken Lall goes,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and get Sean Payton on the phone.
Speaker 1: Let's see if he wants to make a place yet here,
Speaker 1: I have a top twelve. And when they're gone, rip chord.
Speaker 1: Let's get on back there. Let's pack it on. Stock
Speaker 1: up on those minimum wage players you're talking about. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you could add another like second or third by
Speaker 1: moving back five spots, I think that's the best case scenario.
Speaker 1: Seattle party, they'll party both ways, they'll trade up and
Speaker 1: down up to twenty seven. Get on back there, you
Speaker 1: can get you can get your safety there. What does
Speaker 1: Seattle want that they're coming up from twenty seven? That's
Speaker 1: a big job. I don't worry about that. Okay, the
Speaker 1: party both ways, y'all are just trying to have fun
Speaker 1: without I respect. So if you have some guys to
Speaker 1: go out there, but it's a line still sucks. He's
Speaker 1: going to Marty Girls after missing last week's show. Am
Speaker 1: I here in your world? Ask us a question? Another
Speaker 1: question we're going to break. We've got do another? How
Speaker 1: about this pretty quickly? Do another? One? Hunter Gaspard. He
Speaker 1: goes on to say, are there any potential top tier
Speaker 1: players that have to have really good inner views? And
Speaker 1: we talked about Polite earlier, but he uses him as
Speaker 1: an example from last year. Well, don't show up overweight
Speaker 1: and out of shape. That would be step one interviews.
Speaker 1: I got one go ahead. Top tier might be pushing
Speaker 1: it for this guy. Okay. I would not call him
Speaker 1: a top tier player, but I would call him a
Speaker 1: Day two guy. Name and Arnett from Ohio State. Oh
Speaker 1: that's a good pick. Just watched him yesterday. He's my
Speaker 1: number twenty five player right now. The concerns you're beginning
Speaker 1: to trickle out about him from a character stand just
Speaker 1: a character side right me terribly uncomfortable to talk about
Speaker 1: a guy's character I've never met before. It's messed up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, heighteen minutes. He truly does need to go
Speaker 1: interview well, he absolutely does. What about Joe Burrow with
Speaker 1: all the Cincinnati talk and then he's untouchable. I know,
Speaker 1: he has a functional hip, so he gets to go
Speaker 1: number one, he's safe. I mean, but just for the
Speaker 1: sake of playing along with the headlines and the hypotheticals
Speaker 1: he's talking about average Cincinnati interview matters if he walks
Speaker 1: in and says, I'm not playing for you clowns every
Speaker 1: every year, which I mean, okay, Josh Rosen did. He fell.
Speaker 1: He fell to to ten and that was after like
Speaker 1: months and months of speculation of that. He was like
Speaker 1: the worst person in the world and impossible to get
Speaker 1: along with. As long as Joe Burrow doesn't like take
Speaker 1: a dump in the interview room, I think he'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Like some wide receivers are gonna need to like Juwan Jennings,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, whoa whoa awesome? What's he doing? They
Speaker 1: got some questions? What's the question? You're just as sailing?
Speaker 1: People's character was no he was like dismissed from the
Speaker 1: Tennessee program. Oh yeah, and came back like he had
Speaker 1: to earn his way back on the team. When he
Speaker 1: got the junior year, yeah, got bad yea and running
Speaker 1: every freaking yak all day, everyday South Carolina tape. He
Speaker 1: returned with rage. He had the marijuana stuff, which maybe
Speaker 1: won't matter in the future, but man, I hate that.
Speaker 1: And then he had he had a whole thing where
Speaker 1: he went on Twitter and started blowing up his coaches online.
Speaker 1: Then he stepped on a player's head against Vanderbilt. Quentin Cefas,
Speaker 1: who I love out of Wisconsin. He love q There's
Speaker 1: some things on him as well. And also the guard
Speaker 1: from Louisiana that I think people were talking about a
Speaker 1: lot now, Robert Hunt. He had a wild thing or
Speaker 1: him in like thirteen teammates broke into an apartment, started
Speaker 1: stealing stuff. So he's gonna need to like have a
Speaker 1: good interview. Thirteen teammates in one apartment. It was a
Speaker 1: weird thing. Is all over the Red Flag Report every year.
Speaker 1: It's about to say how are you so? On top
Speaker 1: of him, he was also arrested for something else the
Speaker 1: spring of twenty seventeen. It takes shady to know shady,
Speaker 1: but all they wants to know all the red flags,
Speaker 1: so he knows if one of these guys drop, he's
Speaker 1: still a good player. Yeah, this is Robert Hunt was
Speaker 1: in the spring of twenty seventeen. Uh, he was one
Speaker 1: of thirteen Louisiana players or break into his dorm room
Speaker 1: and still electronics and jewelry my god. But also others
Speaker 1: say that he's seen as a joker and displays a
Speaker 1: lot of positive energy on the good on the practice field.
Speaker 1: So maybe you're getting that pretty good. Hopefully, hopefully his
Speaker 1: interview goes well, so he gets drafted and pushes other
Speaker 1: players to the Cowboys brands. Are we okay to go
Speaker 1: to break now? Yeah? We can go to break? No break, No,
Speaker 1: I mean this is Internet radio. One more. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I'm not staying until like twelve thirty. Again, We're not
Speaker 1: going until twelve thirty. Okay, we come back. We'll look
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Speaker 1: Draft Show. One. Final segment here from the Star in
Speaker 1: Frisco at Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show. Here from
Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage studio. Jeff kavan On, Kevin Turner, David Hellman,
Speaker 1: and myself. Kyle Yeoman's with you. Thanks for joining us again.
Speaker 1: We'll be live from Indianapole, US next week. Dave Hellman
Speaker 1: and myself. Are we gonna be with Bucky Brooks next week?
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll see him. Yeah, I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's doing all the shows. I haven't ironed out the
Speaker 1: details of whether he'll be back with us yet, but
Speaker 1: but we'll have plenty of guests throughout the week. We'll
Speaker 1: be on radio row the entire freaking NFL world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it will be in Indianapolis. At the at the touch
Speaker 1: of a finger, all at the fingertips, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the saying is, Yeah, yeah, pass it. It's okay.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the specifics of this combine
Speaker 1: coming up, some of the specific players and guys specifically
Speaker 1: that need to have good combines, whether it be because
Speaker 1: of the red flags that Katie was talking about earlier,
Speaker 1: some of the medicals as well. But let's start off
Speaker 1: by inflating Dave Hellman's ego just a little bit. Are
Speaker 1: the schools with the majority of representation in Indianapolis, and
Speaker 1: by far no surprise, it's the LSU Tigers up at
Speaker 1: the time of that list, David smiling ear to ear
Speaker 1: At the moment, I mainly feel guilty because, like we
Speaker 1: keep talking about LSU players, and I swear to God,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. Where's Texas not doing it? Because
Speaker 1: I'm a homer. There's just so many of them. There's not,
Speaker 1: honestly other than LSU at the top. The thing that
Speaker 1: jumps out to me, which I mean, obviously Utah was
Speaker 1: very good at football this year, but nine nine for Utah,
Speaker 1: nine really good ones. We've got Michigan and Ohio State
Speaker 1: with eleven at two and three, so I thought that
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting. In Alabama then Georgia it's Ben Auburn.
Speaker 1: Michigan's got Ohio State type talent without the the dubs,
Speaker 1: without the production, trying to run Harbor out of town?
Speaker 1: Are you Davis, I'm just saying win something anyway, So
Speaker 1: the quarterback, I'm with you on that. But yeah, plenty
Speaker 1: of SEC representation there as well, because Florida's down at
Speaker 1: number nine. Then they round out the top ten with Miami.
Speaker 1: But with that being said, like you said, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of specific players in there that are, like you said,
Speaker 1: with a lot of good competition throughout the season. You
Speaker 1: got a lot of good tape on them. But with
Speaker 1: the combine come these injury questions and that's our next
Speaker 1: graphic that we're gonna pull up as some of the
Speaker 1: Combine players that have some injury storylines, and not all
Speaker 1: of them are going to be listed here. I only
Speaker 1: have four up there. At the top of the list
Speaker 1: is Javon Kinlaw, South Carolina defensive tackle, had some knee
Speaker 1: tendon ninus issues, missed the final practice of Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: week and then also the Senior Bowl as well. Brandon
Speaker 1: Ayuk from Arizona State, the wide receiver, had a minor
Speaker 1: growing injury. He missed the Senior Bowl as well. To
Speaker 1: a Tagabaloa from Alabama quarterback. And I just threw them
Speaker 1: all up there, hip, ankle, thumb, knee injuries, all of us,
Speaker 1: everything but the hip is one the focal point. And
Speaker 1: then Ashton Davis out of California also with a growing injury.
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis, Brandon Ayouk, and javon Kinlaw really had very
Speaker 1: little to gain it the Senior Bowl. Maybe more for
Speaker 1: Ayouk and Ashton Davis. But this is what's great about
Speaker 1: the Combine as you kind of get to a point
Speaker 1: where there's no more hiding behind neaton denitis. If that's
Speaker 1: not really what it is. So we'll find out if
Speaker 1: that's what's really going on with Javon Kinlaw and if
Speaker 1: we don't, they find a way to cover it up.
Speaker 1: And then if we find out a medical at Combine
Speaker 1: rechecks a month later, it will come out. It will
Speaker 1: it will come out, and we'll finally know because the whispers,
Speaker 1: the whispers have been there since, you know, the end
Speaker 1: of last year. What's really going on with that knee.
Speaker 1: I don't know, not a doctor where I really need
Speaker 1: to find out because that will impact things. It will
Speaker 1: impact the way this team thinks about the draft. Um,
Speaker 1: So I'm and you know, Aston Davis is a guy
Speaker 1: who this team might could be interesting. Yeah, both of
Speaker 1: those guys didn't shoot. I'd even thrown. With the depth
Speaker 1: of the receiver class. It's almost like I've kind of
Speaker 1: got a peg on him because I'm like, I want
Speaker 1: to know more about this injury before I really dive
Speaker 1: into the possibilities of drafting him. So there's Ashton Davis
Speaker 1: is a name. Then at fifty one, if he pops
Speaker 1: up and he's available at fifty one, a lot of
Speaker 1: people are to be high fiving over that pick. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would classify it as a
Speaker 1: high five pick myself, but I'd be interested. Oh I
Speaker 1: thought you meant you wouldn't be happy, Well, you gotta
Speaker 1: tell me happy. I wouldn't be high fiving. You gotta
Speaker 1: tell me. I think he would be a solid pick.
Speaker 1: He had to tell me who's on the board at
Speaker 1: the time. That's a good point. But you know, there's
Speaker 1: there's so many guys. There's a Lucas Niang. He's a
Speaker 1: tackle from TCU who's got really good tape. But they
Speaker 1: had to shut him down because he got a bad hip.
Speaker 1: So okay, what do you do with that? They shut
Speaker 1: him down? Um, go find out what the combine check.
Speaker 1: So he's the guy who could sneak into the top
Speaker 1: half of the second round. Terreb could sneak into that
Speaker 1: little we were talking about the offensive tackles that Josh Jones,
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson, and Lucas Niang is really good. But he's
Speaker 1: got a bad hip, So what do we know about it?
Speaker 1: Terrell Lewis is a guy that picks my interest to
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's my guy. He comes with a
Speaker 1: lot of injury concerns. Oh my god, acl every I
Speaker 1: mean the players he's having on knees yeah, well he
Speaker 1: does not. I promise you he does. But man, he
Speaker 1: was bullying people at the Senior Bowl six five to
Speaker 1: fifty eleven and a half tackle for loss last year.
Speaker 1: Like he's a hell of a player, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean? Can I trust him to stay healthy if
Speaker 1: I draft him? When kyleson out the text the other
Speaker 1: night of like who are some guys who are trying
Speaker 1: to get get the graphics on board, He's the guy
Speaker 1: I forget to send because Terrell Lewis to me, if
Speaker 1: the knee checks out and he does everything, hit the
Speaker 1: combine and he will, I think he'll do the three
Speaker 1: kid will do all that stuff. Then he is edge number.
Speaker 1: Are we talking? He's faces on camera and there two
Speaker 1: or three. I'm asking you for me, Edge number. What
Speaker 1: I'm excited about the upside there? And I am it's
Speaker 1: a gamble. It's it's gonna feel like a gamble because
Speaker 1: of where you're taking him and in the history. But
Speaker 1: the juice off the edge, I think him and Chason's
Speaker 1: gonna blow up the combine most likely. Yeah, And I
Speaker 1: think you'll see Chason and Terrell Lewis if things work
Speaker 1: out for him and start climbing and then you know,
Speaker 1: does Epanessa Fall, does Matos from pinn State Fall. I
Speaker 1: think my guy, Grossmatos might get help at the combine.
Speaker 1: I think you think he's gonna test well, I think
Speaker 1: he will do. I mean, I think he's gonna run
Speaker 1: a four to five nine. He a whole really five nine. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think Grossmatos is gonna run a nice forty and
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna pull for him to have a nice
Speaker 1: three cone so I can feel good about how I
Speaker 1: feel about his team. He's a very fun player at times.
Speaker 1: You sometimes you go okay, you just get swallowed up
Speaker 1: by the run. But then sometimes he'll they'll bump him
Speaker 1: inside and he's just six five. I mean he's he
Speaker 1: maybe six six when they measure him at the combine,
Speaker 1: I mean he is. He's a very long player. As
Speaker 1: long as we're doing this, I'll throw one and like
Speaker 1: this is this is a guy who I don't even
Speaker 1: know what to do with him. I feel like the
Speaker 1: narrative on him is fluctuating as we go. But Marlon
Speaker 1: Davidson out of Auburn, Okay, I'm I'm in. And it's
Speaker 1: not from a it's not from a medical perspective, but
Speaker 1: from a testing perspective, because Auburn used him all over
Speaker 1: over the place. He was at the Senior Bowl, Like,
Speaker 1: he played a lot of tackle, he played some edge.
Speaker 1: If he blows up, I mean, if he blows up
Speaker 1: the way we're talking about with gross mottos, I think
Speaker 1: that completely changes the conversation on where you draft him
Speaker 1: and you had him as one of your guys or
Speaker 1: your guy in terms of I definitely want to see
Speaker 1: rise or fall list he like he is a guy,
Speaker 1: and you always have to stress like what the media
Speaker 1: is talking about has nothing to do there. We go, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my guy. What we in the media are talking
Speaker 1: about has nothing to do with the way teams see
Speaker 1: these guys. Like, yeah, teams might see Marlin Davidson as
Speaker 1: a first round pick right now, but if he goes
Speaker 1: out and runs this badass three cone, then he's going
Speaker 1: to jump into the consciousness of those of us who
Speaker 1: are on the outside. Absolutely, so I think he's got
Speaker 1: a lot to game. Now. You guys across the table
Speaker 1: both have wide receivers as your most likely players to
Speaker 1: rise or fall. Jeff, you have Colin Johnson, Kevin or Katie.
Speaker 1: I don't know why I called you Kevin, Katie, you
Speaker 1: have Courtney Davis, and then I've got Jordan Love as
Speaker 1: a quarterback Utah State. We talked about him a little
Speaker 1: bit earlier, but kind of going on the wide receiver
Speaker 1: thought process here is Mama called him Kevin. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: call him Kevin. It's Kevin Turner over there, and Katie.
Speaker 1: Colin Johnson's interesting because you can watch him go against
Speaker 1: a lot of different good dbs on tape throughout the year.
Speaker 1: One that jumps out to me is Jeff Gladney against TCU,
Speaker 1: and there are reps in that game where he makes
Speaker 1: Jeff Gladney, who might go in the first round, look
Speaker 1: like a child. Yeah. Now there are reps where Jeff
Speaker 1: Gladney gets the better of Colin Johnson. But there's times
Speaker 1: we're on a stop route, He's able to move him
Speaker 1: six yards at the top of the route and catch
Speaker 1: a ball. He's able to down the field just go
Speaker 1: pluck it, and a lot of times just kind of
Speaker 1: nudge his way open. So Colin Johnson's got a really
Speaker 1: big catch radius and he's got a lot going for him,
Speaker 1: But on tape, he might be about to run a
Speaker 1: four six to eight So that's the funny thing is
Speaker 1: we just we'd poo pooed the forty and most draftnicks do.
Speaker 1: But he needs to run a really nice forty time
Speaker 1: if he's going to do something drastick to his draft stock.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think he's a Day three guy. Now.
Speaker 1: Now if he runs, if he shows up and it's
Speaker 1: like Colin Johnson ran a four four nine, it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's revaluate. And that's where these little things. Now, when
Speaker 1: we talk about the wide receiver group specifically and how
Speaker 1: the hard of a stack that's going to be to
Speaker 1: put together, that is where these little things that the
Speaker 1: combine might push guys. Um. I have Courtney Davis on
Speaker 1: my list and he's the wide receiver from Texas A
Speaker 1: and M. Because about two weeks ago I received a
Speaker 1: text from an inside source. You guys all know who
Speaker 1: it is. And he goes and he goes, yeah, he's
Speaker 1: gonna run a four to three at the combine. Wow,
Speaker 1: now in the four three's not a fourth three. Oh,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna run a four three at the combine.
Speaker 1: On a springtime I had him at a four to
Speaker 1: five three. You watch him on tape. He's a guy
Speaker 1: who's great with the ball in his hands, but he
Speaker 1: has drops and he's not a great route runner. He's
Speaker 1: got some inconsistencies to his game. But the size is there,
Speaker 1: the speed is there, the explosions there after the catch,
Speaker 1: he's good. He showed that off and showed that a
Speaker 1: little bit some physicality to him. And one thing I
Speaker 1: want to talk We haven't talked about the gauntlet yet.
Speaker 1: The gauntlet's my favorite drill, the whole thing. So among
Speaker 1: the many changes they're timing that now and I should
Speaker 1: I think they're just doing it to make it more competitive,
Speaker 1: like to kind of get these guys juices going. I
Speaker 1: think it's more for TV. Yeah, no, that's what I'm for.
Speaker 1: The few competitive for the players, but also more entertaining
Speaker 1: for fans for sure. Well, the gauntlets where they run
Speaker 1: horizontally across the field, turning both sides of their body
Speaker 1: to catch the ball. Is he going to catch the
Speaker 1: ball with his hands? Well? Is Hunter Bryant from Washington
Speaker 1: the tight end that everyone's in love with and I
Speaker 1: like a lot too, how's he going to look? I
Speaker 1: learn of the guys who can't stay on the line,
Speaker 1: it's amazing sometimes those they float. The guys look sometimes uncomfortable,
Speaker 1: and then sometimes you get a guy who just comes there.
Speaker 1: It's the most smooth thing. It's so much fun to
Speaker 1: watch when a guy who's got vacuum hands just it's great.
Speaker 1: It's beautiful how they turn their hips when they're running
Speaker 1: across the field. That's the gauntlets of fun drill too. See,
Speaker 1: all of these drills are not pointless. We've got someone's
Speaker 1: watching here. Some of them might here's it's they're not pointless,
Speaker 1: but because this is becoming a TV event, they get
Speaker 1: blown out of proportion. Like it's a good point. Is
Speaker 1: Byron Jones a good player because he set the world
Speaker 1: record at the broad jump at the Colin carn No
Speaker 1: our tape had him is a first round corner before
Speaker 1: the com It's a piece of the puzzle to that point,
Speaker 1: like Colin Johnson can have super impressive tape, and he
Speaker 1: does at times. If he runs a four, if he
Speaker 1: runs a four eight, that probably he can't separate at
Speaker 1: the NFL level. And so as much as we bash
Speaker 1: on the forty, it is important. It's it's all. It's
Speaker 1: just it's not so much that anything's worthless. It's you
Speaker 1: just have to weigh it properly. Well. It's a piece
Speaker 1: of the puzzle that will continue to evaluate over the
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. But that's going to do it
Speaker 1: this week for the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show.
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