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Speaker 1: back and now your hosts, David Hellman, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kevin Turner,

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Speaker 1: and Kyle Yeoman's a cloudy win Thursday. Actually almost said Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: I got all my days mixed up. But it's a

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Speaker 1: cloudy Thursday at the Star in Frisco. We're live from

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Speaker 1: three days until the NFL Draft in a week until

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Speaker 1: drills at Lucas Oil Stadium. The NFL Combine is right

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Speaker 1: around the corner, but the Draft Show continues. Jeff Cavanaugh

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Speaker 1: alongside Kevin Turner and David Hellman. Is bad. Yeah, welcome back, buddy,

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Speaker 1: Thanks man. I'm glad to have you back. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: got some draft beers in New Orleans last week? Like that?

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Speaker 1: Does that count as the drift like draft coverage? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I think it would, and that I appreciate that because

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Speaker 1: I was not watching tape last week. I have to admit.

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Speaker 1: You don't have to apologize. It got to be plenty

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Speaker 1: I'm just glad that the four of us could come

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Speaker 1: I still wasn't ready for it. Well, then you've got

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Speaker 1: Jeff Cavanaugh on the corner, all dappered up today. Look

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Speaker 1: at that. Got to tell you, I'm surprised you guys

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Speaker 1: don't realize. I've always been a big suit guy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: today and where I do what I normally do, which

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Speaker 1: is wear suits. You wear your hats and Miller light

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Speaker 1: like work shirts. Picture every day. Yeah, work had some

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Speaker 1: At least you don't have the hat on. You could

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Speaker 1: back a little bit. Well, no, what you do now?

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Speaker 1: They got new product out where it doesn't slick it,

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Speaker 1: think this, You think this happens naturally. I thought that

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize you guys spent so much time on

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Speaker 1: your hair styling cream. Yeah, styling. You would think we

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Speaker 1: Then there's Katie and I just wear a hat. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: throw on the mean green hat. Yeah. Supporting the Texas

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Speaker 1: Rangers in North Texas at the same time, absolutely, okay,

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Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. But just about four days until

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Speaker 1: team personnel show up in Indianapolis for the twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine and of course, combining our efforts. As the

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Speaker 1: words of Kevin Turner, we're going to go through the

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Speaker 1: NFL Combine from a general term. At the beginning of

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Speaker 1: exactly is important about the NFL scouting combine. We got

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Speaker 1: and then in the final segment, we'll look through some

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Speaker 1: of the specific players and teams that are going to

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Speaker 1: be looking for certain things in the combine, but kind

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Speaker 1: It's the medicals. Yeah. Absolutely, and that's you know, it's

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Speaker 1: and evaluators and the moneymakers see things differently. That's why

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Speaker 1: it was two years ago that Maurice Hurst was a

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Speaker 1: What can you know about a person in three minutes? Well,

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Speaker 1: Last Jeffrey single, Yes I am coaching. You can't. I

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Speaker 1: it's awesome, not great, not great, especially after what was

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Speaker 1: to being cold. But luckily most of the combine is indoors. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to worry about that. A whole lot

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Speaker 1: negative thirty degree wind chills during the combine. Okay, the

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Speaker 1: to Austin this week. I leave after the show to

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Speaker 1: me cold wear a hood Okay, that's what cold me.

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Speaker 1: I got real. I got one of those. I think

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Speaker 1: I'll be okay. I took an uber. My hotel was

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Speaker 1: and said, where are you going? I said, to the stadium.

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Speaker 1: They said, you're there. I said, the entrances on the

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Speaker 1: all right. I'm excited about that. But I'm also excited

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Speaker 1: about getting into some Twitter on the twenty Twitter on

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Speaker 1: the Twitter, got it that time you have arrived. I've

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Speaker 1: done like three or four those in a row. I'm

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Speaker 1: pretty happy about it. Let's go to the first question.

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Speaker 1: This one comes from Daniel, and Daniel asked if the

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Speaker 1: first round goes as perfect as possible and Jordan's Love

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Speaker 1: was looking at you in the second round. Am I

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Speaker 1: the only one who would take him at fifty one

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Speaker 1: if I were the Dallas Cowboys. Guess if you get

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Speaker 1: a quarterback who's gonna go in the top twenty at

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Speaker 1: fifty one? Yeah, I'll take him. In what world is

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love gonna be there at fifty one? But Jake

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Speaker 1: From No. Fifty one? Ye? Can we talk like if

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Speaker 1: he's there on day three? We can talk? Oh see,

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Speaker 1: I think he's gonna go before fifty one. No, I

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Speaker 1: think I think From Or I think From will go

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Speaker 1: before fifty one. Jake From being out of Georgia, of course,

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Speaker 1: I think Jake From's catching a lot of hate. Jake

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Speaker 1: From's catching a little too much hate. I don't think

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Speaker 1: you're crazy for thinking that he because quarterbacks are always overvalued.

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Speaker 1: But I would not draft him at fifty one. Okay,

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Speaker 1: just for the sake of Jordan's Love quarterback out of

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Speaker 1: Utah State, exactly. I know, like you said, you're sold

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Speaker 1: that he's gonna go time twenty Jeff uh go in

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Speaker 1: the first round and top I would yeah, I would

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Speaker 1: make an even money wager that he goes top two.

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Speaker 1: So were there four quarterbacks first round eligible? Oh? I

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Speaker 1: think there's three quarterbacks going in the top six. Yes,

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Speaker 1: because you'll have Burrow two out of Alabama, and then

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Speaker 1: you've got because look at the team's picking there, Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: needs a quarterback. Ye, Detroit might want a quarterback. If

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Speaker 1: the Stafford rumors are true, he once a quarterback, Chargers

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Speaker 1: one a quarterback. There's four in the top six. I

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Speaker 1: don't think those rumors are true because like the Lions

542
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Speaker 1: can't get rid of Stafford without just destroying their cap.

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Speaker 1: But you might because if the rumor were true, then

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Speaker 1: it would signify to me that they're going to tank.

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Speaker 1: And then what do I care if I take a

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Speaker 1: thirty two million dollar capit I'm tanking. But they also said,

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Speaker 1: like we're keeping Patricia and the GM, but they have

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Speaker 1: to perform next year, and so tanking is the opposite

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Speaker 1: of that. To a time, okay, I mean, hey, to

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Speaker 1: a time, okay to answer the question, Yeah, what was

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Speaker 1: a question? I can't tell you honestly, because I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of following. Look, I was taught by Brian broad Us,

553
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Speaker 1: and when the Cowboys don't really need a quarterback, I

554
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Speaker 1: kind of sit around and go, well, we assume our

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Speaker 1: free agent quarterback. The quarterbacks until the end, because honestly,

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Speaker 1: it is just so hard to watch a lot of

557
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Speaker 1: these bad quarterbacks at the end of it. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I do quarterbacks at the end, So I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: I've just seen a couple things from Jordan Love, so

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Speaker 1: until I know more, I can't even give you a

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Speaker 1: proper answer on this. What did you think about Jordan

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Speaker 1: Love at the Senior Bowl? I think Jordan Love is

563
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Speaker 1: a really good player, and like he looked good at

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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl. I've you know, I watched him play

565
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,440
Speaker 1: LSU just because they played this year, and he was good.

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Speaker 1: He's like, he is a talented guy. And it's the

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Speaker 1: classic case of like, you know, if he was on

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Speaker 1: a better team, how much better would he? Law school guy?

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Speaker 1: Small schools competition? And the thing I've learned is like

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Speaker 1: if NFL teams think you have talent, they're gonna draft

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Speaker 1: you high, Like that's just what I mean. Literally, it

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Speaker 1: sounds crazy to say this now, but we started out

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Speaker 1: the draft show in twenty seventeen, Like you think Pat

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Speaker 1: Mahomes is a first round pick? Like his tapes so crazy,

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Speaker 1: Like how do you even get a read on this guy?

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Speaker 1: Goes top ten best player in the league. Yeah, which

577
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Speaker 1: obviously I'm not, and that's going to happen with Jordan Love.

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Speaker 1: But like, if you play quarterback and NFL evaluators think

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Speaker 1: you have the talent to start in the NFL, they're

580
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Speaker 1: in draft, you're high. Nobody thought Daniel Jones was a

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Speaker 1: top ten pick until the Giants and was there. Yeah. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: Well we're talking about like Washington. We're talking about Oh

583
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Speaker 1: if you're if you're Washington, you can't trade out of

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Speaker 1: their Chase Young's an elite prospect. Well, if Jordan Love

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Speaker 1: turns out to be a capable NFL quarterback, he's infinitely

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Speaker 1: more important than Chase Young, even if Chase Young goes

587
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Speaker 1: to the Hall of Fame. Absolutely, because that's the name

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Speaker 1: of the game. The quarterback has a massive impact on

589
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Speaker 1: the outcome of a game and no other individual player does. So, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Jordan Love, if somebody thinks he can be a starting quarterback.

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Speaker 1: He should go in the first round, and I think

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Speaker 1: he will, and I think, you know, I think from

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Speaker 1: you know, wouldn't shock me if he goes as high

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Speaker 1: as you say you will. The thing for me is

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Speaker 1: we all agree, like by the time April twenty third

596
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: rolls around, we think Dak Prescott will be signed sure

597
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Speaker 1: for the purpose or act or he'll be tag tag

598
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: either way, Like he's here, he's here, He's the guy

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Speaker 1: you're committing to. How can you afford to spend a

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Speaker 1: top basically a top fifty pick on a guy that

601
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Speaker 1: you are hoping won't play. I mean they're because you're

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Speaker 1: grooming him during Dak's year on the tag and then

603
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Speaker 1: you're gonna let Dak go. Yeah, okay, and and that

604
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: would be the thing. And Jeff smile and kind of

605
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 1: grin here, that would be the thing. Okay. I can't

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Speaker 1: tell if it's tongue in cheek or if you're legitimately

607
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Speaker 1: excited about it. Oh no, I would not be excited

608
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Speaker 1: about well. I mean I'm a team builder at heart,

609
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Speaker 1: so i'd be interested in it. I'll say this, if

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Speaker 1: you want to do that with Jordan Love. I'm at

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Speaker 1: least intrigued. If you're trying to do that with Jake From,

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Speaker 1: I'm so out, Like you're trying to find somebody to

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Speaker 1: keep this thing on the track. Dave, I don't need superstars,

614
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Speaker 1: just a game man. Yes you do. That's literally the

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Speaker 1: conversation we're having right now. It's like, well, Duck's pretty good,

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Speaker 1: but he's not a superstar. Like, if you're moving on

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Speaker 1: from Dak, it better be for a clear upgrade. Jake

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Speaker 1: From's definitely not that I doubt Jordan Love is either

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Speaker 1: pretty good cheap works out. We're kind of talking about

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Speaker 1: some of the scenarios with the E. J Wilson brings

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Speaker 1: us our next question, who were some likely teams willing

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Speaker 1: to trade up to seventeen if the Cowboys want to

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Speaker 1: move down a couple of spots, and what players would

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Speaker 1: still need to be on the board for this to happen.

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Speaker 1: New Orleans, New England, Jordan Love, Jordan Love is New

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Speaker 1: Orleans and New England are at twenty three and twenty four.

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Speaker 1: You get Jordan Love to make it to seventeen, one

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Speaker 1: of them comes up for Jordan Love, you move back,

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Speaker 1: take a dB and you pick up a second or

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Speaker 1: third round pick. I will say this though, and I'm

631
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Speaker 1: one hundred percent on board with you, and like quarterbacks

632
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: drive trades a lot of the time, but that's not

633
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Speaker 1: always the case. Like we talked about this a few

634
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Speaker 1: shows ago, like the Saints did a crazy trade for

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Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport a few years ago. I think it's either

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Speaker 1: a quarterback or the last of what some team views

637
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Speaker 1: as an elite prospect. So for me, I'm sitting here

638
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: thinking of offensive tackles because we've thought, you know, we've

639
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: talked there's Thomas. There's five or six of them that

640
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 1: can probably plug and play, and if a team that

641
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: needs one is down to their last guy. Yeah, let's

642
00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: say I'm looking at the list right now. Let's say, like,

643
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: you know, Willis is gonna go Jedrick Willis out of

644
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: Alabama's gonna go early. I said I'd get better at

645
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: saying school names. So there you go, Andrew Thomas out

646
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: of Georgia, UM, Tristan Worth's out of Iowa, McKay Beckton

647
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: out of Louisville. I know there's one more. I think

648
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: probably think Jos out of Houston. There could be six

649
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: ots Man and yeah, I think you could have put

650
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: him up there just as well as Jouston Jackson. Aston Jackson,

651
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: I think you could put him up there just as

652
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 1: much as Josh Jones. So yeah, six or seven possibly worthy.

653
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: You know, offensive tackles. We've seen teams though reach over

654
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: the last few years. Two names that come to mind

655
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: is the forty nine Ers taking Garnett from Stanford a

656
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: few years ago that this. We've seen the Seahawk panic

657
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: and taking offensive lineman you know late and you go,

658
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 1: or someone taking a guard. I remember the lines taking

659
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: lake in Tomlinson a little earlier than I think people

660
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,040
Speaker 1: thought they would offensive Guarden. I don't know if there's

661
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: those interior alignment prospects are there, but yeah, maybe a

662
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 1: team does get a little nervous about your interior offensive

663
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: line and Galic Cushionberry or Caesar Ruiz or you know,

664
00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 1: one of those guys ends up going late in the

665
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: first round, so and go for it. No, just you know,

666
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking like looking at team needs. I mean, you

667
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,120
Speaker 1: know the Patriots, which they're in that you know, Jeff

668
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 1: just mentioned them. Another team that did, the Miami Dolphins

669
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: traded Laramie Tunsel last year. They have a pick behind

670
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:40,880
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, assuming they don't trade it away to get

671
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:44,280
Speaker 1: somebody two picks by the Cowboys. Yeah, number twenty six

672
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 1: as well. If it's not a quarterback, then I'm looking

673
00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: at elite prospects who are about to go off the board.

674
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 1: Offensive tackle makes a lot of sense because there's so

675
00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: many of the Eagles or Bills, or a corner you

676
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 1: were talking about. You were talking about the Patriots in

677
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: the Saints, but the Bills have twenty two just ahead

678
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: of both of those teams. However, there are two needs

679
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 1: right now are edge rushers and wide receivers, and those

680
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: are two of the classes that we've talked about that

681
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: are very top heavy. Yeah, come draft day, so I

682
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,719
Speaker 1: could see the Bills potentially being a move to go

683
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: up and get maybe a Rugs if he's there at seventeen,

684
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: or a Rager if they like him that much, or

685
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: even getting an edge rusher one of those guys that

686
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: ends up falling. I think Buffalo could be a team

687
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 1: that you could talk with. If I were them, I

688
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 1: would probably sit still on receiver because the guy I

689
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: like the most for them, I feel like it would

690
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: be more likely with an edge rusher if they if

691
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,720
Speaker 1: one of those guys, and I don't like the class. Yeah,

692
00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: but no matter, Cowboys pick at seventeen if they pick

693
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: a if they pick a pass rusher, I don't think

694
00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: I'll like the pick. Well, but maybe Chase On Maybe

695
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: I think I would like that pick at seventeen. Honestly,

696
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: I watched aj Epanessa recently. Yeah, I'm scared of rushers.

697
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: You can't turn the corner uncomfortable. I'm comfortable with him

698
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 1: at seven, I think I'm not I'm not fist pumping

699
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 1: if ajp and S is the pick, but like, I'd

700
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,000
Speaker 1: be fine with that. For the Bills, I would want

701
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 1: Laviska Chanald. I think at receiver and I don't know

702
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 1: if you have to move for the you're not gonna

703
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: move because because Josh Allen isn't gonna be pinpoint accurate,

704
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: he never will be. But if I can just get

705
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: a guy who it's like, look, just get him the

706
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,560
Speaker 1: ball and watch him work, I think works. Yeah, that

707
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: makes sense. But he's another combined health check guy too.

708
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: But you know the thing, We've saw this happen a

709
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: few years ago with Taco Charlton when the Falcons traded

710
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: up to get ahead of us mcley took attack McKinley. Yeah,

711
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,200
Speaker 1: that hasn't worked out great for them. But the Falcons

712
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: picking at sixteen again, and I've kind of pinpointed them

713
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:39,839
Speaker 1: down as the team who's gonna take this year's Ryan

714
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: Shay's eer type that makes you go, Okay, well we

715
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 1: were gonna take him, yeah, but I guess we won't.

716
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: But I'll also say this, the more I thought about

717
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: this and the longer we've gotten, there's not a ton

718
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 1: of names. It's seventeen that I'm going to be high

719
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,840
Speaker 1: fiving and excited about. There's a lot of players I

720
00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,719
Speaker 1: will be comfortable about at seventeen, And that's what I'm

721
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: kind of saying to me. The difference in seventeen and

722
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: twenty four for what this team is going to be doing,

723
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: likely going defense. Likely, I'm not sure that there's a

724
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: huge difference and high five level, I guess, is what

725
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. If that makes it still add some depth

726
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: on the back end with a couple extra picks later on,

727
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,720
Speaker 1: it does make sense. And I think most people would

728
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: be happy if the Cowboys managed to trade back in

729
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,879
Speaker 1: this draft, assuming they stay in the first round. Yeah,

730
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: you need somebody to want to come up as always well,

731
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: and this drafts kind of set up, and we've seen

732
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: this in the past, but this draft is kind of

733
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: set up. And I don't know what the specific number is,

734
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: but to me, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, that area in the

735
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,280
Speaker 1: draft all the way to twenty eight. There's a little difference,

736
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: but ain't a huge difference in what we're talking about

737
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: there because it's a very clear top tier of players

738
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: plus the quarterbacks. And then you're just kind of sitting

739
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: there going, okay, I was on the eight and eight treadmill.

740
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: I didn't but able to really get into that mix there. Now,

741
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: what would be a defensive player for you that would

742
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: be a high fight for the Cowboys for them seemingly

743
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: if the medicals check out, That's what I'm kind of saying.

744
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: I said, I don't know. I mean Javon Kinloker, Kin

745
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 1: Laws the guy that's that's the one. I think that

746
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: My next Twitter on the twenty question, Matt Holdridge came

747
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: out on Twitter on the twenty. He said, assuming the

748
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: medicals check out and his knee, how close would kin

749
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: Law have to be for you to trade up for him?

750
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: Or do you stand pat because you don't want to

751
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: lose more draft picks. You would have to pull up

752
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: the chart because I did this yesterday. If you wanted

753
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: to go up for and I played the game, if

754
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 1: I wanted to go up for a defensive player, and

755
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: I went with the three guys that I have above

756
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: kin Law like Derek Brown, Okuda is as Simmons. If

757
00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,560
Speaker 1: one of them makes it to ten, you're one in

758
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: your two gets you there. In theory, it gets you there,

759
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 1: and you're overpaying by a little bit, which is probably realistic.

760
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:52,040
Speaker 1: But if you're talking about getting to fourteen or fifteen,

761
00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:55,320
Speaker 1: can I get up there for a four h these

762
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: charts are you know, they vary there. There's not a

763
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 1: universal one. But the one I'm looking at Cowboys pick

764
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 1: at seventeen is worth nine fifty. You said fifteen, So

765
00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 1: they're they're down a difference of one point one hundred

766
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: points to get to fifteen. And what is that is

767
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 1: that less than their three? Uh? They're three is worth

768
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: one eighty. But like again, like teams are going to

769
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: do that deal right first round, well to two spots

770
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 1: they would probably they wouldn't take it would take somebody's

771
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: three to move. No, no, don't No, I mean, like,

772
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: if you're going by the chart, I would say it

773
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: would be the fourth would be the accurate number. Teams.

774
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: I don't think teams will do that, and that I

775
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: think you would have, like even to move as little

776
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: as like three or four spots in the first round.

777
00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: I think you'd have to give up your third future three.

778
00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: Now I could give up is what I was thinking.

779
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: What about they're worth less, But in theory, I'm overpaying

780
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 1: if I use this year's three, next year's is worth

781
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 1: less because it's a year away. I would give a

782
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: next year three for Javon Kinlaw. Yeah, I think I'm

783
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: talking about you're saying a one and yeah, correct, Yeah,

784
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,799
Speaker 1: I'd go from seventeen to fifteen if he's there, and

785
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: I would give up a future three. I don't think

786
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 1: teams would do that though, like to move away to

787
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:07,560
Speaker 1: be able to move away from what it's probably a

788
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 1: blue chip player at pick fifteen, probably, I think the

789
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: other team definitely would. I don't know if I don't

790
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: think it makes sense if you're at seventeen and if

791
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: you you've identified your guy and you feel like you've

792
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: got to get ahead of Atlanta. Maybe, But if I'm

793
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 1: Denver sitting at fifteen, I'll go, yeah, I'll take your

794
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 1: future three. You're gonna give me a premium draft pick. Okay, great,

795
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: to jump back two spots. I'm good. But this is

796
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: Cowboys a little more urgent. I think the Cowboys window

797
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 1: to win it feels a little more urgent than it

798
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: does for Denver. You know, but I was looking at

799
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: the second rounder. If you want to give up the

800
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: second round pick, just doing the math. If you're going

801
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: by the math, ten, maybe nine, that gets hipped to

802
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 1: that yeah, ten area. I hate this, I really do.

803
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: You made a really good point, Katie, about this. What

804
00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: happened to Okuda? Win? Did? He did? Fall off at

805
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: the combine? Three quarterbacks went in the top six, Some

806
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 1: offensive tackles went, Derek Brown went somehow o'cuda got down

807
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 1: into the nine ten range. You ever one or two?

808
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't think about it, Yes you do.

809
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: He's awesome. I don't like how far tam builder over here. Seriously,

810
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 1: team Builder guy, you wouldn't give up a one or

811
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 1: two for Okuda? Here's if you falls so far, then

812
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: there's gotta be something wrong with him. Well, no, we're

813
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: playing the game. You know what, It's not impossible that

814
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: him will actually brown Rosa Simmons gets to nine or ten.

815
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: It's not impossible at all. The Cowboys track record over

816
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: the last three years is not so sterling that I

817
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: trust them to hit on every pick anyway. So yeah,

818
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,479
Speaker 1: I would probably do it for a guy that good,

819
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: a cornerback who will be you would hope would be

820
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:42,959
Speaker 1: elite for five years before you have to worry about

821
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,880
Speaker 1: paying him. Okay, I could do that if you're in

822
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: the mix and then you're back there at eighty two

823
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: and you're going, my god, I haven't done anything at

824
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: safety defensive, well, okay, the defensive line is going to

825
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: be turned over in free agency. To me, I said,

826
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: talk to me after a free agency that I might

827
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: be more willing to plug. We're to plug every hole

828
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: in free agency. Not well, but we're going to address everything.

829
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: The problem is that with the contracts that are coming

830
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: up for this team, you need to be able to

831
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 1: replace it with cheap labor, and you can't do that

832
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: without draft picks. So I mean, in a in a

833
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: hypothetical world where I can get Okuda for that, I

834
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,759
Speaker 1: probably would, But like I'm not giving up a draft

835
00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 1: pick to go up two spots to get Jevon Kenny

836
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: bodies that are cheap. Yes, you need good players that

837
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: are playing for and you've got a problem with that.

838
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: But you can't hit on him if you don't have them.

839
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: I can hit on him if I go get him

840
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: in the top ten, then you have fewer players. Yeah,

841
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,360
Speaker 1: but I hit but and but then you just you

842
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 1: have what you have right now, which is then you

843
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: have a small number of expensive players and nobody else.

844
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: You're guy. And that's not um okay, that's that's a

845
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: low blow. He wasn't my guy once. Once ken Lall goes,

846
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:58,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and get Sean Payton on the phone.

847
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: Let's see if he wants to make a place yet here,

848
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: I have a top twelve. And when they're gone, rip chord.

849
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: Let's get on back there. Let's pack it on. Stock

850
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: up on those minimum wage players you're talking about. I mean,

851
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: if you could add another like second or third by

852
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: moving back five spots, I think that's the best case scenario.

853
00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: Seattle party, they'll party both ways, they'll trade up and

854
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: down up to twenty seven. Get on back there, you

855
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: can get you can get your safety there. What does

856
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: Seattle want that they're coming up from twenty seven? That's

857
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 1: a big job. I don't worry about that. Okay, the

858
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: party both ways, y'all are just trying to have fun

859
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: without I respect. So if you have some guys to

860
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: go out there, but it's a line still sucks. He's

861
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:43,320
Speaker 1: going to Marty Girls after missing last week's show. Am

862
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: I here in your world? Ask us a question? Another

863
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 1: question we're going to break. We've got do another? How

864
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: about this pretty quickly? Do another? One? Hunter Gaspard. He

865
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: goes on to say, are there any potential top tier

866
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,360
Speaker 1: players that have to have really good inner views? And

867
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: we talked about Polite earlier, but he uses him as

868
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: an example from last year. Well, don't show up overweight

869
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: and out of shape. That would be step one interviews.

870
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 1: I got one go ahead. Top tier might be pushing

871
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 1: it for this guy. Okay. I would not call him

872
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 1: a top tier player, but I would call him a

873
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: Day two guy. Name and Arnett from Ohio State. Oh

874
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: that's a good pick. Just watched him yesterday. He's my

875
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: number twenty five player right now. The concerns you're beginning

876
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,880
Speaker 1: to trickle out about him from a character stand just

877
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:31,759
Speaker 1: a character side right me terribly uncomfortable to talk about

878
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: a guy's character I've never met before. It's messed up.

879
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: But yeah, heighteen minutes. He truly does need to go

880
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 1: interview well, he absolutely does. What about Joe Burrow with

881
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 1: all the Cincinnati talk and then he's untouchable. I know,

882
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: he has a functional hip, so he gets to go

883
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: number one, he's safe. I mean, but just for the

884
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: sake of playing along with the headlines and the hypotheticals

885
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: he's talking about average Cincinnati interview matters if he walks

886
00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 1: in and says, I'm not playing for you clowns every

887
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: every year, which I mean, okay, Josh Rosen did. He fell.

888
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: He fell to to ten and that was after like

889
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 1: months and months of speculation of that. He was like

890
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: the worst person in the world and impossible to get

891
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: along with. As long as Joe Burrow doesn't like take

892
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,439
Speaker 1: a dump in the interview room, I think he'll be fine.

893
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:26,280
Speaker 1: Like some wide receivers are gonna need to like Juwan Jennings,

894
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,799
Speaker 1: Oh my god, whoa whoa awesome? What's he doing? They

895
00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: got some questions? What's the question? You're just as sailing?

896
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: People's character was no he was like dismissed from the

897
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: Tennessee program. Oh yeah, and came back like he had

898
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 1: to earn his way back on the team. When he

899
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 1: got the junior year, yeah, got bad yea and running

900
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: every freaking yak all day, everyday South Carolina tape. He

901
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:54,879
Speaker 1: returned with rage. He had the marijuana stuff, which maybe

902
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: won't matter in the future, but man, I hate that.

903
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: And then he had he had a whole thing where

904
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 1: he went on Twitter and started blowing up his coaches online.

905
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: Then he stepped on a player's head against Vanderbilt. Quentin Cefas,

906
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:09,439
Speaker 1: who I love out of Wisconsin. He love q There's

907
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 1: some things on him as well. And also the guard

908
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 1: from Louisiana that I think people were talking about a

909
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: lot now, Robert Hunt. He had a wild thing or

910
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: him in like thirteen teammates broke into an apartment, started

911
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: stealing stuff. So he's gonna need to like have a

912
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 1: good interview. Thirteen teammates in one apartment. It was a

913
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 1: weird thing. Is all over the Red Flag Report every year.

914
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 1: It's about to say how are you so? On top

915
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 1: of him, he was also arrested for something else the

916
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:39,080
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917
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 1: but all they wants to know all the red flags,

918
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 1: so he knows if one of these guys drop, he's

919
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 1: still a good player. Yeah, this is Robert Hunt was

920
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: in the spring of twenty seventeen. Uh, he was one

921
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: of thirteen Louisiana players or break into his dorm room

922
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: and still electronics and jewelry my god. But also others

923
00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: say that he's seen as a joker and displays a

924
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 1: lot of positive energy on the good on the practice field.

925
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,400
Speaker 1: So maybe you're getting that pretty good. Hopefully, hopefully his

926
00:45:03,520 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: interview goes well, so he gets drafted and pushes other

927
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 1: players to the Cowboys brands. Are we okay to go

928
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 1: to break now? Yeah? We can go to break? No break, No,

929
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: I mean this is Internet radio. One more. Okay, So

930
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: I'm not staying until like twelve thirty. Again, We're not

931
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Speaker 1: going until twelve thirty. Okay, we come back. We'll look

932
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: at some of the specifics of the NFL combine and

933
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: some of the players that need to show up, maybe

934
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Speaker 1: Draft Show. One. Final segment here from the Star in

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Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage studio. Jeff kavan On, Kevin Turner, David Hellman,

973
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Speaker 1: and myself. Kyle Yeoman's with you. Thanks for joining us again.

974
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Speaker 1: We'll be live from Indianapole, US next week. Dave Hellman

975
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 1: and myself. Are we gonna be with Bucky Brooks next week?

976
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll see him. Yeah, I don't know if

977
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978
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979
00:48:11,880 --> 00:48:14,040
Speaker 1: but we'll have plenty of guests throughout the week. We'll

980
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Speaker 1: be on radio row the entire freaking NFL world. Yeah,

981
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 1: it will be in Indianapolis. At the at the touch

982
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: of a finger, all at the fingertips, I don't know

983
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Speaker 1: what the saying is, Yeah, yeah, pass it. It's okay.

984
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:34,280
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the specifics of this combine

985
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: coming up, some of the specific players and guys specifically

986
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: that need to have good combines, whether it be because

987
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: of the red flags that Katie was talking about earlier,

988
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: some of the medicals as well. But let's start off

989
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 1: by inflating Dave Hellman's ego just a little bit. Are

990
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: the schools with the majority of representation in Indianapolis, and

991
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: by far no surprise, it's the LSU Tigers up at

992
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,919
Speaker 1: the time of that list, David smiling ear to ear

993
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,879
Speaker 1: At the moment, I mainly feel guilty because, like we

994
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:08,560
Speaker 1: keep talking about LSU players, and I swear to God,

995
00:49:08,600 --> 00:49:10,719
Speaker 1: I'm not doing it. Where's Texas not doing it? Because

996
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm a homer. There's just so many of them. There's not,

997
00:49:13,239 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: honestly other than LSU at the top. The thing that

998
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: jumps out to me, which I mean, obviously Utah was

999
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,919
Speaker 1: very good at football this year, but nine nine for Utah,

1000
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:25,959
Speaker 1: nine really good ones. We've got Michigan and Ohio State

1001
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: with eleven at two and three, so I thought that

1002
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: was kind of interesting. In Alabama then Georgia it's Ben Auburn.

1003
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: Michigan's got Ohio State type talent without the the dubs,

1004
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: without the production, trying to run Harbor out of town?

1005
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: Are you Davis, I'm just saying win something anyway, So

1006
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback, I'm with you on that. But yeah, plenty

1007
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,239
Speaker 1: of SEC representation there as well, because Florida's down at

1008
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 1: number nine. Then they round out the top ten with Miami.

1009
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: But with that being said, like you said, there's a

1010
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: lot of specific players in there that are, like you said,

1011
00:49:59,280 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 1: with a lot of good competition throughout the season. You

1012
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: got a lot of good tape on them. But with

1013
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 1: the combine come these injury questions and that's our next

1014
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: graphic that we're gonna pull up as some of the

1015
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: Combine players that have some injury storylines, and not all

1016
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: of them are going to be listed here. I only

1017
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: have four up there. At the top of the list

1018
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:22,959
Speaker 1: is Javon Kinlaw, South Carolina defensive tackle, had some knee

1019
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: tendon ninus issues, missed the final practice of Senior Bowl

1020
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: week and then also the Senior Bowl as well. Brandon

1021
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 1: Ayuk from Arizona State, the wide receiver, had a minor

1022
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: growing injury. He missed the Senior Bowl as well. To

1023
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: a Tagabaloa from Alabama quarterback. And I just threw them

1024
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 1: all up there, hip, ankle, thumb, knee injuries, all of us,

1025
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 1: everything but the hip is one the focal point. And

1026
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: then Ashton Davis out of California also with a growing injury.

1027
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: Ashton Davis, Brandon Ayouk, and javon Kinlaw really had very

1028
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,880
Speaker 1: little to gain it the Senior Bowl. Maybe more for

1029
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: Ayouk and Ashton Davis. But this is what's great about

1030
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: the Combine as you kind of get to a point

1031
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: where there's no more hiding behind neaton denitis. If that's

1032
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: not really what it is. So we'll find out if

1033
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: that's what's really going on with Javon Kinlaw and if

1034
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: we don't, they find a way to cover it up.

1035
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: And then if we find out a medical at Combine

1036
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,160
Speaker 1: rechecks a month later, it will come out. It will

1037
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: it will come out, and we'll finally know because the whispers,

1038
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 1: the whispers have been there since, you know, the end

1039
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: of last year. What's really going on with that knee.

1040
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: I don't know, not a doctor where I really need

1041
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: to find out because that will impact things. It will

1042
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 1: impact the way this team thinks about the draft. Um,

1043
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 1: So I'm and you know, Aston Davis is a guy

1044
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 1: who this team might could be interesting. Yeah, both of

1045
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:43,480
Speaker 1: those guys didn't shoot. I'd even thrown. With the depth

1046
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,319
Speaker 1: of the receiver class. It's almost like I've kind of

1047
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: got a peg on him because I'm like, I want

1048
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: to know more about this injury before I really dive

1049
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: into the possibilities of drafting him. So there's Ashton Davis

1050
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: is a name. Then at fifty one, if he pops

1051
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: up and he's available at fifty one, a lot of

1052
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: people are to be high fiving over that pick. Now.

1053
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would classify it as a

1054
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: high five pick myself, but I'd be interested. Oh I

1055
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: thought you meant you wouldn't be happy, Well, you gotta

1056
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: tell me happy. I wouldn't be high fiving. You gotta

1057
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 1: tell me. I think he would be a solid pick.

1058
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: He had to tell me who's on the board at

1059
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,839
Speaker 1: the time. That's a good point. But you know, there's

1060
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,960
Speaker 1: there's so many guys. There's a Lucas Niang. He's a

1061
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 1: tackle from TCU who's got really good tape. But they

1062
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: had to shut him down because he got a bad hip.

1063
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,800
Speaker 1: So okay, what do you do with that? They shut

1064
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: him down? Um, go find out what the combine check.

1065
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 1: So he's the guy who could sneak into the top

1066
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:39,520
Speaker 1: half of the second round. Terreb could sneak into that

1067
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 1: little we were talking about the offensive tackles that Josh Jones,

1068
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 1: Austin Jackson, and Lucas Niang is really good. But he's

1069
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:50,319
Speaker 1: got a bad hip, So what do we know about it?

1070
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,560
Speaker 1: Terrell Lewis is a guy that picks my interest to

1071
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's my guy. He comes with a

1072
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 1: lot of injury concerns. Oh my god, acl every I

1073
00:52:59,600 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: mean the players he's having on knees yeah, well he

1074
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: does not. I promise you he does. But man, he

1075
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: was bullying people at the Senior Bowl six five to

1076
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: fifty eleven and a half tackle for loss last year.

1077
00:53:11,320 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: Like he's a hell of a player, you know what

1078
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: I mean? Can I trust him to stay healthy if

1079
00:53:15,600 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: I draft him? When kyleson out the text the other

1080
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: night of like who are some guys who are trying

1081
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: to get get the graphics on board, He's the guy

1082
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,200
Speaker 1: I forget to send because Terrell Lewis to me, if

1083
00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,040
Speaker 1: the knee checks out and he does everything, hit the

1084
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: combine and he will, I think he'll do the three

1085
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: kid will do all that stuff. Then he is edge number.

1086
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: Are we talking? He's faces on camera and there two

1087
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: or three. I'm asking you for me, Edge number. What

1088
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: I'm excited about the upside there? And I am it's

1089
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,680
Speaker 1: a gamble. It's it's gonna feel like a gamble because

1090
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: of where you're taking him and in the history. But

1091
00:53:52,320 --> 00:53:55,120
Speaker 1: the juice off the edge, I think him and Chason's

1092
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: gonna blow up the combine most likely. Yeah, And I

1093
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: think you'll see Chason and Terrell Lewis if things work

1094
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: out for him and start climbing and then you know,

1095
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: does Epanessa Fall, does Matos from pinn State Fall. I

1096
00:54:06,719 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 1: think my guy, Grossmatos might get help at the combine.

1097
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: I think you think he's gonna test well, I think

1098
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 1: he will do. I mean, I think he's gonna run

1099
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: a four to five nine. He a whole really five nine. Yeah,

1100
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: I think Grossmatos is gonna run a nice forty and

1101
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:22,080
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna pull for him to have a nice

1102
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 1: three cone so I can feel good about how I

1103
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 1: feel about his team. He's a very fun player at times.

1104
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 1: You sometimes you go okay, you just get swallowed up

1105
00:54:30,440 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 1: by the run. But then sometimes he'll they'll bump him

1106
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,719
Speaker 1: inside and he's just six five. I mean he's he

1107
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:38,920
Speaker 1: maybe six six when they measure him at the combine,

1108
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: I mean he is. He's a very long player. As

1109
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,640
Speaker 1: long as we're doing this, I'll throw one and like

1110
00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 1: this is this is a guy who I don't even

1111
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: know what to do with him. I feel like the

1112
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,720
Speaker 1: narrative on him is fluctuating as we go. But Marlon

1113
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: Davidson out of Auburn, Okay, I'm I'm in. And it's

1114
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: not from a it's not from a medical perspective, but

1115
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: from a testing perspective, because Auburn used him all over

1116
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 1: over the place. He was at the Senior Bowl, Like,

1117
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: he played a lot of tackle, he played some edge.

1118
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: If he blows up, I mean, if he blows up

1119
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 1: the way we're talking about with gross mottos, I think

1120
00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: that completely changes the conversation on where you draft him

1121
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: and you had him as one of your guys or

1122
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: your guy in terms of I definitely want to see

1123
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: rise or fall list he like he is a guy,

1124
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: and you always have to stress like what the media

1125
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:26,600
Speaker 1: is talking about has nothing to do there. We go, oh, yeah,

1126
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 1: that's my guy. What we in the media are talking

1127
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 1: about has nothing to do with the way teams see

1128
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: these guys. Like, yeah, teams might see Marlin Davidson as

1129
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: a first round pick right now, but if he goes

1130
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 1: out and runs this badass three cone, then he's going

1131
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:41,839
Speaker 1: to jump into the consciousness of those of us who

1132
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,399
Speaker 1: are on the outside. Absolutely, so I think he's got

1133
00:55:44,400 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: a lot to game. Now. You guys across the table

1134
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,320
Speaker 1: both have wide receivers as your most likely players to

1135
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:54,440
Speaker 1: rise or fall. Jeff, you have Colin Johnson, Kevin or Katie.

1136
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 1: I don't know why I called you Kevin, Katie, you

1137
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:59,160
Speaker 1: have Courtney Davis, and then I've got Jordan Love as

1138
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 1: a quarterback Utah State. We talked about him a little

1139
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: bit earlier, but kind of going on the wide receiver

1140
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 1: thought process here is Mama called him Kevin. I'm gonna

1141
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,400
Speaker 1: call him Kevin. It's Kevin Turner over there, and Katie.

1142
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,360
Speaker 1: Colin Johnson's interesting because you can watch him go against

1143
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:15,440
Speaker 1: a lot of different good dbs on tape throughout the year.

1144
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 1: One that jumps out to me is Jeff Gladney against TCU,

1145
00:56:18,520 --> 00:56:21,760
Speaker 1: and there are reps in that game where he makes

1146
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,920
Speaker 1: Jeff Gladney, who might go in the first round, look

1147
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: like a child. Yeah. Now there are reps where Jeff

1148
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,839
Speaker 1: Gladney gets the better of Colin Johnson. But there's times

1149
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: we're on a stop route, He's able to move him

1150
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: six yards at the top of the route and catch

1151
00:56:33,120 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: a ball. He's able to down the field just go

1152
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: pluck it, and a lot of times just kind of

1153
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 1: nudge his way open. So Colin Johnson's got a really

1154
00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: big catch radius and he's got a lot going for him,

1155
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:49,480
Speaker 1: But on tape, he might be about to run a

1156
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: four six to eight So that's the funny thing is

1157
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:55,680
Speaker 1: we just we'd poo pooed the forty and most draftnicks do.

1158
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:58,920
Speaker 1: But he needs to run a really nice forty time

1159
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 1: if he's going to do something drastick to his draft stock.

1160
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I think he's a Day three guy. Now.

1161
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,879
Speaker 1: Now if he runs, if he shows up and it's

1162
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,240
Speaker 1: like Colin Johnson ran a four four nine, it's like, okay,

1163
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: let's revaluate. And that's where these little things. Now, when

1164
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: we talk about the wide receiver group specifically and how

1165
00:57:14,719 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: the hard of a stack that's going to be to

1166
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: put together, that is where these little things that the

1167
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: combine might push guys. Um. I have Courtney Davis on

1168
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: my list and he's the wide receiver from Texas A

1169
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:26,680
Speaker 1: and M. Because about two weeks ago I received a

1170
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: text from an inside source. You guys all know who

1171
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: it is. And he goes and he goes, yeah, he's

1172
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,880
Speaker 1: gonna run a four to three at the combine. Wow,

1173
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:35,920
Speaker 1: now in the four three's not a fourth three. Oh,

1174
00:57:36,040 --> 00:57:37,560
Speaker 1: but he's gonna run a four three at the combine.

1175
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: On a springtime I had him at a four to

1176
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: five three. You watch him on tape. He's a guy

1177
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: who's great with the ball in his hands, but he

1178
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: has drops and he's not a great route runner. He's

1179
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: got some inconsistencies to his game. But the size is there,

1180
00:57:49,480 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: the speed is there, the explosions there after the catch,

1181
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 1: he's good. He showed that off and showed that a

1182
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: little bit some physicality to him. And one thing I

1183
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: want to talk We haven't talked about the gauntlet yet.

1184
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 1: The gauntlet's my favorite drill, the whole thing. So among

1185
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: the many changes they're timing that now and I should

1186
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: I think they're just doing it to make it more competitive,

1187
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:09,880
Speaker 1: like to kind of get these guys juices going. I

1188
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: think it's more for TV. Yeah, no, that's what I'm for.

1189
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: The few competitive for the players, but also more entertaining

1190
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:16,880
Speaker 1: for fans for sure. Well, the gauntlets where they run

1191
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: horizontally across the field, turning both sides of their body

1192
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: to catch the ball. Is he going to catch the

1193
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: ball with his hands? Well? Is Hunter Bryant from Washington

1194
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: the tight end that everyone's in love with and I

1195
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 1: like a lot too, how's he going to look? I

1196
00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:31,439
Speaker 1: learn of the guys who can't stay on the line,

1197
00:58:31,600 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: it's amazing sometimes those they float. The guys look sometimes uncomfortable,

1198
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: and then sometimes you get a guy who just comes there.

1199
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 1: It's the most smooth thing. It's so much fun to

1200
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:43,400
Speaker 1: watch when a guy who's got vacuum hands just it's great.

1201
00:58:43,480 --> 00:58:46,040
Speaker 1: It's beautiful how they turn their hips when they're running

1202
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: across the field. That's the gauntlets of fun drill too. See,

1203
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: all of these drills are not pointless. We've got someone's

1204
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 1: watching here. Some of them might here's it's they're not pointless,

1205
00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 1: but because this is becoming a TV event, they get

1206
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: blown out of proportion. Like it's a good point. Is

1207
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,560
Speaker 1: Byron Jones a good player because he set the world

1208
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 1: record at the broad jump at the Colin carn No

1209
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: our tape had him is a first round corner before

1210
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: the com It's a piece of the puzzle to that point,

1211
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,920
Speaker 1: like Colin Johnson can have super impressive tape, and he

1212
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:20,040
Speaker 1: does at times. If he runs a four, if he

1213
00:59:20,160 --> 00:59:23,400
Speaker 1: runs a four eight, that probably he can't separate at

1214
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 1: the NFL level. And so as much as we bash

1215
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: on the forty, it is important. It's it's all. It's

1216
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: just it's not so much that anything's worthless. It's you

1217
00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: just have to weigh it properly. Well. It's a piece

1218
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,800
Speaker 1: of the puzzle that will continue to evaluate over the

1219
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. But that's going to do it

1220
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Speaker 1: this week for the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show.

1221
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1222
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: see you next couple of weeks. Enjoy, Thank you some stuff.

1223
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1224
00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:54,360
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1226
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