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Speaker 1: Podcast starts now, what's up Glamour Girls and um, welcome

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Speaker 1: to another hit smash episode of Stradia Lab. It's already trending.

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Speaker 1: It's oh my god, are you seeing our numbers? George?

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Speaker 1: Are you seeing this? Whoa wait, it's trending for about

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Speaker 1: what they're saying that we said something offensive already, that's amazing. Well,

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Speaker 1: we apologize, um, from the bottom of our hearts, whatever

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Speaker 1: we said. If we made you feel bad, you know,

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Speaker 1: we didn't mean to and that was never our intention. George, George,

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Speaker 1: does you mean to make them feel bad and mean

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Speaker 1: for us to trend? I al'ays like dombing our listeners.

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Speaker 1: I don't want them to get too comfortable, you know,

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Speaker 1: not to be a gay podcast. But turning from a

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Speaker 1: bottom such as yourself, that is honestly very surprising. Now

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Speaker 1: we're like, now we're literally being um, uh, what you know,

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Speaker 1: like hosting a drag race after show? I know, I know,

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Speaker 1: as a bottom, I don't. I'm not used to ask,

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Speaker 1: I know. And here's the thing, I you can't not

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Speaker 1: when you feel that energy fighting it is almost worse

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Speaker 1: because if you fight that energy, you come off as

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Speaker 1: like sort of sad, internalized homophobia, um, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: you have to work through it, not avoid it. It

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Speaker 1: is I mean that I think that's one of the tragedy.

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Speaker 1: It's like every uh, everyone in our demographic, I would say,

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Speaker 1: is at any given time hosting a drag Race after

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Speaker 1: show on a digital platform. And the the like difficulty,

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Speaker 1: the artistic challenge is in somehow finding a way to

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Speaker 1: quit that contract. It's a it's an emotional battle, but

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Speaker 1: it's also a legal battle. It's a legal battle because

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Speaker 1: we are all we are all actually employed by World

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Speaker 1: of Wonder. How do you do that? Though it's tough.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like my tone is such that I

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Speaker 1: that people can tell that I am ironically hosting a

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Speaker 1: World of Wonder after show for Rupause drag Race. But then,

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Speaker 1: of course the danger is what if they think I'm

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Speaker 1: being earnest and in fact hosting a World of Wonder

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Speaker 1: after show for Rupaolese drag Race. Well, the crazy thing

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Speaker 1: is my tone is such that the irony isn't as palpable,

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Speaker 1: and so when I sort of bring in that tone,

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Speaker 1: it just reads very sincere and it reads like yeah,

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Speaker 1: like I just am There's no layers to it. It's

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Speaker 1: just like is it a toot or is it a boot?

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That's right, Well, there's almost

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Speaker 1: something I do think your tone doesn't have the contempt

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Speaker 1: that mine does on a daily basis. Yeah, and that

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Speaker 1: you know has its ups and downs. But sometimes I'm

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Speaker 1: jealous of the contempt because it is it's clear. Your

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Speaker 1: intent is clear, My intent is clear. But then what

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Speaker 1: I will say about my tone of contempt is that

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Speaker 1: sometimes I will be fully just doing a wedding speech,

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Speaker 1: for instance, and it does sound like I want my

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Speaker 1: friend's marriage to fail. That's a great point. I think

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Speaker 1: maybe the context I'm thinking of this tone in I

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Speaker 1: forget that you can't take it off. You bring this

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Speaker 1: you know, the bedrooms, Well, it's you know the two

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Speaker 1: you can there's a spectrum where on one end you're

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Speaker 1: hosting a World of Wonder after Chaffeurroupole's drag Race on

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Speaker 1: kind of a very offensively written Mario Cantone esque character

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Speaker 1: on sex in the City, dripping with contempt. I think

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Speaker 1: I'm more Mario and you're more drag Race after show totally. Um,

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Speaker 1: and the grass is always greener. I'm that's right, you

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Speaker 1: saying that. I'm like, well, no fair, I want to

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Speaker 1: But imagine just being filled with self hatred at any

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Speaker 1: given time. That is that's true? You know, a kind

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Speaker 1: I'm realizing? Mario canton is such a north star for me.

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Speaker 1: I feel like I mentioned him like every three episode. Um,

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Speaker 1: which is free. I I he is one of the

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Speaker 1: first gay men I saw on television. I think, like

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Speaker 1: through Sex in the City. Sure I saw that before

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Speaker 1: You know what's crazy is now instead of hosting a

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Speaker 1: I would die for both of those hosts, and it

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Speaker 1: would be an honor to be included in their roster

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Speaker 1: Will and Grace. Is that true? I feel like probably

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Speaker 1: you should consider yourself like, because that television show really

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Speaker 1: changed the game. I guess I'm trying to because Sex

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Speaker 1: and City I didn't watch until like high school. Okay, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's right, because you were afraid of sex. Well, it

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Speaker 1: was procreative, that's right, and even then barely. Okay, that's interesting,

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Speaker 1: So you kind of off the gate were like neoliberal, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: say that I don't remember the specifics of Mario Cantona,

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Speaker 1: Texas City. What I'm picturing is Charlotte walks into a

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Speaker 1: it's interesting, well, the script actually had him be physically abusive,

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Speaker 1: But in the script, I mean, it was really really dark.

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Speaker 1: deeply misogynist text written by gay men's rights activists yet

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Speaker 1: Um wow, wow. We went from we went from Rubles

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Speaker 1: first brick at stone Wall? That's right, it was Excuse me,

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Speaker 1: that's my Mario Cantone coming out the dishonesty. Dishonesty jumped

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Speaker 1: shade of gray. It wasn't like very sophisticated and no offense. Maze.

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Speaker 1: not your best. Yeah, and even as a rebellion sort

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Speaker 1: Macy Rodman. Hi, Macy, what was the show like for you? Um? So,

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Speaker 1: as you know on Um Drag Race, I was known

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Speaker 1: as saka potatoes and um, that look was really important

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Speaker 1: you say as a rock and roll gay guy, Um,

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00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman? Um? Like famous, okay, famous gay guys. I

423
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 1: mean it can be like semi famous. That can be

424
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: you know, podcasters, Yeah, with like sort of niche but um,

425
00:28:54,880 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: but they're followings Sean Mendez. I'm just do anything of

426
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: anyone Asap Rocky. Yeah, Astap Rocky is a rock and

427
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: roll gay guy, is he? Um No, he's dating Rihanna.

428
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: Oh maybe open your mind. It's tough to find like

429
00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: a kind of mainstream equivalent, right because I don't know

430
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,640
Speaker 1: if it's super exists, but like the kind of aesthetic

431
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: definitely does. Um, you know who I think maybe a

432
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: good place to look as like fashion designers like I'm

433
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: trying to think of Isaac Ms. Would you say, like

434
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: literally like in his prime Rick Owens? Maybe yeah, like

435
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: Rick Owens or like even in his prime Mark Jacobs

436
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: Like oh for sure, for sure? Yeah, okay, Um yeah,

437
00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: I mean I um, I really need a want to

438
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: find those scripts of the Sex and the City episodes

439
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: where they're just being there being stoned to death by

440
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: their gay friends. Yes, um, but yeah, any any uh

441
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: gay guy who uh loves women. I guess right, yeah,

442
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 1: I love Yeah, it's the anti Mario cam tone. It's

443
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: like sure, yeah that clicks for me. Well yeah, because

444
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: I mean in my song there is an element of

445
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:34,280
Speaker 1: eroticism or sexual activity. Um, but it doesn't have to

446
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: be you know. Yeah. Well, you know, just to sort

447
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 1: of give a counter story to Georgia's story, I just

448
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: want to say, you know, I did Trooms Upstate recently

449
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: with my lover and we're both very open minded, and

450
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 1: we listened to the album on trooms and oh you

451
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: were guiding us, I must say a woman. We found

452
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: a random Upstate lady and we brought her back and

453
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: we ate her out, really progressive sam year old woman

454
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 1: then as a gay couple going upstate and finding like

455
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: a local pre gentrification upstate woman named Carla and bringing

456
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:26,240
Speaker 1: her back absolutely rocking her world. I mean, the elitism

457
00:31:26,280 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 1: of our, of this we of our like view of

458
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:34,560
Speaker 1: upstate women is really quite cruel. I didn't. I don't

459
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: think I elate us at all. If anything, I look

460
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: up to her and I'm I'm jealous that you got

461
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: to eat her out? And what's more rock than that? Man? Yeah,

462
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: what's more rock and roll than? What's more rock and

463
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: roll than eating somebody out? Um, that's kind of true.

464
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 1: Tell me that, give me the answer. I'd like to

465
00:31:56,400 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 1: know what than eating someone else? Call in what we mean?

466
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 1: Eating out like, no matter what the whole like, just

467
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: eating out any kind of hole we do. Okay, it

468
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: can't be a mouth. It cannot be a mouth because

469
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 1: that's just kid. You could be eating out the macy

470
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: the line macye you you, I mean, and some cultures

471
00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 1: that's the most intimate thing you can do. It sounds painful,

472
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: it's painful. No, we can't go down like we can't

473
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: talk about I don't want to go we can't talk

474
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: about private parts and get uncomfortable. Yeah, say that, say

475
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: that it's getting every time. I'm one of the most

476
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: rock and roll things you can do is eat out

477
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: someone and then take a break and go. This is

478
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 1: giving no specifically, this is giving share. This is giving

479
00:32:55,000 --> 00:33:02,479
Speaker 1: share honestly whatever, I was just giving share. So, in

480
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 1: terms of the polar opposite of a rock and roll

481
00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: gay guy, our topic today is may see. Um, I

482
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: want you to introduce okay. Um. So I was tasked

483
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,800
Speaker 1: with finding something that has to do with straight culture,

484
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: and I was trying to figure out what that would

485
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 1: be for a while, and I decided on Neil Patrick Harris.

486
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: Um because to me, he like he is like the

487
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: most straight thing in our culture. Um. And I know

488
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: that that might be a confusing concept because he is

489
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 1: famously a gay guy, right, Um, kind of a jazz

490
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: and piano gay guy, not a rock and roll gay guy. Um.

491
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: Um and UM. I have some notes for why. I think,

492
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 1: oh wow, oh my god, she came prepared. Yeah. Um.

493
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: I could not find proof of this, but I remember

494
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,719
Speaker 1: it happening. Okay, so you're spreading disinformation on our podcast.

495
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 1: Brand I very specifically remember on Twitter that there. It

496
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 1: was like I think it was a met gala, but

497
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: somebody was like gagging for Charlie's Sarren or whoever, and

498
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 1: um and Neil Patrick Harris retweeted it and said, really

499
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: you're gagging. Why do you think she's so disgusting? Like

500
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: didn't know what gagging was, and then like a year

501
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 1: later used the word gagging when describing Lady Gaga's uh

502
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: super Bowl performance. That is super stract me. Yeah, so

503
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: he learned the term gagging and well into his late thirties, clearly,

504
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: like he watched drag Rates that year. Yeah. Yeah. Also,

505
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:09,400
Speaker 1: it's like that is like you can kind of decipher

506
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:12,240
Speaker 1: what that. It's not like someone's wretching at an outfit,

507
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, like you can kind of like you know,

508
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: it's like, oh that's bad. Oh that's that looks bad,

509
00:35:20,600 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 1: that looks sick. You know that was you know, it's

510
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: like that. There's a long history of like saying the opposite,

511
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:32,319
Speaker 1: and you know, anyway, UM, so you're saying, not only

512
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: is he straight, he's stupid, Well he just doesn't have

513
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:42,959
Speaker 1: critical thinking skills. Um bad in headwig. Yeah, I don't

514
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: really have an explanation for that, you know, who I

515
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 1: saw Hedwig Hey Digs. Was he good? Oh? He was?

516
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: He was giving it as all he was giving. He

517
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 1: was giving. Yeah, I don't. Yeah, I'm sure he was

518
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: better than your metric. I just watched the video of it,

519
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: and the whole time I was grimacing um. In the

520
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: famously well cast Gone Girl, he which is one of

521
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: my favorite movies, he played a demonic straight guy. Yeah,

522
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 1: he gets cast as a demonic straight guy quite a bit.

523
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 1: I would say. He also did that in Harold and

524
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: Kumar and in the kind of in How I Met

525
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 1: Your Mother. I mean, I've never seen How I Met

526
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: your Mother, and I did when I was doing my

527
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:38,279
Speaker 1: research today, I saw that he's like a womanizing man

528
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: named Barney. And on the Wikipedia they list his catchphrases

529
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: from that show and they are suit up, what's up? What? Yeah,

530
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 1: my god, you're doing a perfect impression. Stinson out that

531
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:08,800
Speaker 1: sounds like legendary, which sounds kind of gay, but um

532
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: wait for it. And then it says in parentheses, often

533
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: combining the two as legend wait for it dairy um,

534
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 1: and then the other. The last two are Daddy's Home

535
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: and challenge accepted. Let's Macy, Let's rank those from gay

536
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: to straight. Okay, I think the gayest is legendary. Do

537
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:38,360
Speaker 1: you think that's gayer than Daddy's Home? Mm hmm, yeah, Okay,

538
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:44,240
Speaker 1: we'll go legendary and then Daddy's Home and then legend

539
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:51,399
Speaker 1: wait for it, dairy and then Stinson out and then

540
00:37:52,320 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 1: wait for it and then What's Up and then suit

541
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: up and then challenge accepted, Challenge accepted as definitely the straightest. Yeah, wow,

542
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: I why Okay. I think we should pause and discuss

543
00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: the him being cast as like shitty street guys constantly. Yeah,

544
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: and like, what what does that mean for him as

545
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: an actor? And talk about your experience with Gone Girl expect, Like,

546
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 1: I want to know it's one of your favorite movies.

547
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: I agree that it's a great movie. Like, how do

548
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: you think he does in that role? I thought he

549
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: was perfectly cast in that role and he absolutely despicable. Um,

550
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: I mean I feel like you are meant to be

551
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:52,239
Speaker 1: happy when he gets murdered with a scalpel. Yeah, and

552
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 1: I think that was successful. Yeah. Um and uh so

553
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: Gone Girl is is great because it's um uh big

554
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: return of the unreliable narrator, big return of the kind

555
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 1: of erotic thriller, um big, big, huge return for Ben Afflack.

556
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: It's also all stunt casting, which I appreciate. Everyone is

557
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: in a self aware stupid like not stupid, sorry, like

558
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 1: self aware like winking way. Tyler Perry, Tyler Perry, Ben Affleck,

559
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:36,360
Speaker 1: and Neil Patrick Harris are all like perfectly perfect. Yeah,

560
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:40,040
Speaker 1: so good, so good. Yeah, Gone Girl is perfect. And

561
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 1: I love that it's like eight hours long, like it's

562
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: so good. Um yeah. He like there's something about like

563
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 1: him wanting like to prove that he can play like

564
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,600
Speaker 1: a shitty straight guy. That's like very like he's like, well,

565
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,680
Speaker 1: I'm gay, but I like I can do it, like

566
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 1: let me in. Yeah, you know what, it's crazy. He

567
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: played it. He played a gay guy and it's a sin.

568
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: Did you ever watch that? I didn't watch that. He

569
00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: it was like it was very jarring, like there was

570
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: something very um it almost felt more offensive than a

571
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: straight person playing that role because it felt like it

572
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: you could tell there was so much on the line

573
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: for him and he wanted to do such a good

574
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: job of playing a gay guy and that made it

575
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:30,799
Speaker 1: feel so inauthentic. And it's like I don't want to

576
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: give anything away, but like there's I mean, it's a

577
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:37,360
Speaker 1: sin is all about um uh, the AIDS crisis, and

578
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 1: it's like it's very much like he was trying to

579
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 1: give Angels in America got it and instead he gave

580
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 1: um legend wait for it, dairy. So he didn't quite

581
00:40:54,360 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: hit the legendary. He didn't quite hit at it. It

582
00:41:02,760 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 1: was more up than Daddy's Home. Yeah. The for me

583
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: thinking about Neil Patrick Harris also is like he was

584
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:16,959
Speaker 1: like for mothers everywhere, like the mascot dream gay man,

585
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 1: Like it's like the photo shoot with the husband and

586
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: the kids and People magazine and it's like, oh so

587
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: now when your son comes out, it's like not a

588
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 1: huge deal because look right, like i mean listen, in

589
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 1: senses he was a child star. He's like, I'm sure

590
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: like very fucked up by Hollywood. He I'm he was

591
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:46,439
Speaker 1: outed by Perez Hilton. Really yeah, um, and so I'm

592
00:41:46,600 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to like, you know, uh, well, I

593
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: don't personally like him, but like I I kind of

594
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: you know, I understand the kind of like Crewe Emastone

595
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 1: as Cruella like backstory that he has, you know, Disney

596
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: of Neil Patrick Harris, Like I get it's very true.

597
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: That's genius. That's the most using I've ever heard in

598
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: my entire life. Like, there's definitely a Joker backstory, that's him,

599
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: but that doesn't change the fact that he's now the

600
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: Joker exactly, Like you can't like you can relate to

601
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:27,879
Speaker 1: the Joker on some level and like, yes, I think

602
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: you know Joaquin Phoenix would be incredible in a production

603
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: of Neil Patrick Harris's biography, but that doesn't that won't

604
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 1: make me um like him anymore? Yeah, absolutely, um I Oh.

605
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 1: He also got in a fight with Patti Lapone about

606
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 1: what Apparently they were in a production of Company together

607
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 1: and um, where is it? Um? Like, what is this

608
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: an early prepared? He showed up unprepared? He showed up

609
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 1: unprepared to rehearse with Patti Lapone. I don't know, I

610
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: don't know who they who he played? Um, but apparently

611
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: so he was stumbled through a scene and she told

612
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 1: two of the other actors, you guys are unbelievably funny,

613
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: and then she turns to Harris and treated him to

614
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: her frostiest glare. You're getting there, she allegedly told him,

615
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:34,720
Speaker 1: sauntering away meaningfully. Um, this is from Nicki Swift dot com.

616
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: Um Harris allegedly lost it and stowed in silent turmoil

617
00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: for a solid half hour. When Lapone finally asked Harris

618
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: what ailed him, so he lashed out at her, I'm

619
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: failing at this at every turn, and you're telling everyone

620
00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: else they're awesome, and you're saying I'll get there. It's

621
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 1: not helpful, it's not funny. Well, Lapone wasn't going to

622
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 1: let him get away with that particular hissy. Oh no,

623
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,359
Speaker 1: this is on you. She allegedly snap back, don't put

624
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 1: this on me. This is your thing. You And then

625
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: apparently Neil Patrick Harris said um that she gave him

626
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: a colorful variety of Anglo Saxon words. Does that mean

627
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,520
Speaker 1: like she cussed him out or something? I guess, But

628
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,359
Speaker 1: what the funk? Who says that? And I say something

629
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: that is? This is what I'm gonna says mean? But

630
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,160
Speaker 1: that's like when it's like when you're learning how to

631
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: be gay, You're like, oh, I'm supposed to have witticisms,

632
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: and like that, it's like a colorful A colorful assortment

633
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 1: of Anglo Saxon words sounds like it sounds like a

634
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 1: line out of its giving earnest by Oscar Wild. Yeah,

635
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 1: totally absolutely, Um so yeah, I mean that that just, um,

636
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: that's another strike against him in my book. Is anyone

637
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: who fights with Patty Lapone. I mean now, I'm like,

638
00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:02,320
Speaker 1: I'm like he as we can tell from his involvement

639
00:45:02,360 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 1: in It's a Sin. He wants so hard to be

640
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: a gay icon of some sort and then every day

641
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: he wakes up yelled at by Patty Lapone misunderstanding gay

642
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,160
Speaker 1: slang at the met gala. Um. You know, it's honestly

643
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: very dark that he comes most alive when he plays

644
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 1: a straight creep. Yeah, it's you can feel like it's

645
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:28,400
Speaker 1: also like when he like gay culture, queer culture changed

646
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: under his feet, like he he was so far away

647
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: from it, and then it like he was kind of

648
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: like a symbol of like, well, look I can be normal.

649
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 1: And I was like, well what if normal is bad now?

650
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: And he was like no, yeah it it Um. He's

651
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: in like a similar position to like Chaz Bono, I

652
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 1: think where it was like like Chaz just wanted to

653
00:45:54,480 --> 00:46:00,319
Speaker 1: be like normal guys so hard that it is just

654
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: like you're like you just look like kind of a

655
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 1: boring like asshole in the documentary, you know, Chas Bono.

656
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: Though to me maybe this is a personal thing, but like,

657
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 1: to me, he has maintained an underdog status that makes

658
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: me still rude for him, even in in like an

659
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: abstract sentence. I don't know a lot about him, but

660
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, he's trying so hard, whereas Neil Patrick Harris

661
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: now is the man right right, Okay, I see what

662
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: you mean. Yeah, fascinating. We've talked about like Queen the

663
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: Queer Eye guys on this um pod before, and I'm

664
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 1: feeling this is um somewhat similar in a way where

665
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 1: I like, I feel um bad for him a little

666
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:49,960
Speaker 1: like I almost I'm like, oh, like you were trying

667
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 1: to be good, you were helpful for a second, and

668
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: it's like taken in by the Joker origin story. I'm

669
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 1: unfortunately the Joker origin story has sucked me all the

670
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: way in and I'm feeling bad for the Joker. Yeah,

671
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: his nephew. Out of that, I watched his seventy three

672
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:14,280
Speaker 1: questions video, Okay, And I'll just do a little rapid

673
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: fire um. So it opens up to credits rolling of

674
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: a Shirley Temple movie on a projector and Neil says, hey,

675
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 1: the Empire strikes back. Nice flick Um describes desired home

676
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: esthetic as adventurers club with a genius bar inside. Oh

677
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: my god, do you think on the subway is a

678
00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: guy with a needle in his arm? What? Um? One

679
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 1: person he's dying to work with is j J Abrams? God.

680
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: When asked which character he most identified identified with, he

681
00:47:57,239 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: sarcastically says headwig right, and then literally, how could I

682
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: ever exactly? When asked what do you think is funny

683
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: that no one else does, he giggles uncomfortably and says

684
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:21,040
Speaker 1: people slipping and falling on ice, um partest part about

685
00:48:21,080 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: being a dad, sleep deprivation, Get over it. He has

686
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: a banksy Oh that's such a red flag for celebrities,

687
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 1: huge red flag, biggest fear of public humiliation. Very straight kink. Yeah,

688
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:47,480
Speaker 1: but also you know, um, mission accomplished. Where do you

689
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 1: see yourself in ten years directing Star Wars episode for

690
00:48:52,200 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: Oh so he's trying to be funny again or he

691
00:48:55,120 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: earnestly wants to direct Star Wars? It sounds okay, fashion

692
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 1: icon tom Ford lash show. He binged with Stranger Things

693
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:09,839
Speaker 1: and song you know every word too? I am not

694
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: throwing away my shot from Hamilton's. I actually am in

695
00:49:14,040 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: physical pain this again. I think your goal was to

696
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:20,239
Speaker 1: make me hate him, and I feel so sad. I

697
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: see a man crying out for help, like begging for

698
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 1: someone to like challenge him. He buys the bank seat

699
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: and then he stares at it, trying to feel something

700
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: that was like the darkest portrait of a person I've

701
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: ever heard. J J. Abrams, j J. Anyone any mystery.

702
00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 1: This is fantasy world, j J. I when in the West,

703
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 1: Danna Davis, Um Roman Polanski. Yeah, for Christ's sake, it

704
00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: would be funny if just with a straight face he

705
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 1: was like Roman plants. No, that would have been iconic,

706
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,520
Speaker 1: would have been like that, that would be queer history.

707
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 1: It's say, um wow, oh my god. I mean Ellen

708
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 1: seemed like soft and cuddly. Yeah, well Ellen, I have to.

709
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: I mean she's got edged. The girl's got edge. Yeah

710
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:19,040
Speaker 1: he's not, but edge. She'll make you believe and you

711
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 1: I respect an edge. And I'm sorry. I know she's

712
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 1: a psychopath and she should be nice to her employees,

713
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 1: but damn do I love some edge? But so do

714
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: you think then that Neil does not have edge? I

715
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 1: think he does not have edge. I think he's as

716
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 1: he's like a ball, He's a blunt instrument. That's right. Yeah,

717
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: Like there's everything he said is like like computer generated

718
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: of like what is safe? What is like? Um? But

719
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:53,440
Speaker 1: the computer is crashing. It's like on its last legs,

720
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,280
Speaker 1: and this is like what it can spit out before

721
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 1: completely almost like he googled right before he went had

722
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: that like what's popular? Like what's going on? And he's like, Banksy,

723
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:09,239
Speaker 1: it's like, have you know, like like interests have you

724
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 1: you can You're rich, you can do whatever you want.

725
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: I almost the darkest thing of all of all of those.

726
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,240
Speaker 1: I don't know why, the Banksy and the weird Shirley

727
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 1: Temple movie that then he says is Star Wars. Yeah,

728
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: that's so confusing to me. I think unfortunately that just

729
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,319
Speaker 1: points to a lack of a sense of humor. Like

730
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 1: he's like, oh, humor comes from incongruity, Like it comes

731
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: from like two things not being the same but pretending

732
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 1: they are. So I'll just literally point to something that's

733
00:51:39,600 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: red and say it's blue and and maybe that's funny. Yeah,

734
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 1: that is funny. That is actually really funny. It's one

735
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 1: of my favorite bits, one of my favorite party tracks.

736
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:55,520
Speaker 1: You know, and this is okay as a full on joke.

737
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 1: My one of my closest friends in college, we would

738
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: be when it was hot, we'd be like, burd it's cold,

739
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:05,640
Speaker 1: And when it was cold, we say, it's so hot

740
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: in here. Genius, brilliant. And I tell you this bit

741
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:16,080
Speaker 1: would fucking kill. It would kill so hard. After Thanksgiving dinner,

742
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: I'm so hungry. Sometimes as simple as joke does kill.

743
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:27,479
Speaker 1: Maybe that was his issue, is like what you're saying

744
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: is so simple, but he took it so far where

745
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 1: you have to like take in the Shirley Temple of

746
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: it all and the star wars, like he should just pick.

747
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: He should have just picked two things that are opposite,

748
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: like it should have been here's here's what he should

749
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: have done. He should have been playing an episode of

750
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: Friends and then said I love cinema. That would have killed,

751
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: Like that would have killed I. Okay, maybe we're actually

752
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 1: just not on his level. Yeah, maybe he's like post comedy.

753
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: He's like dealing with like he's much bigger than the icon.

754
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 1: He's Andy Kaufman. If that was the justification for his answers,

755
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 1: then I would be like, Okay, that's the most genius

756
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 1: thing I've ever heard, Like referencing Star Wars three times,

757
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: bringing up Hamilton's bringing up your bank seat. That's hilarious.

758
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,200
Speaker 1: He's literally doing a bit about He's like doing a

759
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: met a bit about being a celebrity. Yeah, he's commenting

760
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 1: on he's commenting on wealth. He's doing a parasite. He

761
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 1: did a parasite. He did a parasite. Oh my god.

762
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: At the end, Alison what's her name from that show

763
00:53:33,400 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 1: comes out of the basement. She's just like wow. I mean, okay,

764
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: we've absolutely torn this man to shreds um, and yet

765
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 1: I feel like we did it respectfully for the most part. Okay, listen,

766
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: it's not a value judgment. I just think the evidence

767
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: that I presented um shows more strait nous than gayness.

768
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: And that's ultimately what this is about. It's not we're

769
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:03,239
Speaker 1: not saying he's a bad actor or that he's a

770
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: bad person. It's simply I am saying those things. But

771
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:11,880
Speaker 1: it's not related, not related. But to me, it's like

772
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:15,879
Speaker 1: the main the top line takeaway is simply that he's

773
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:20,239
Speaker 1: more straight than gay. Yes, absolutely, yeah, it's unrelated to

774
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: my personal feeling. That's right, that's right. Yeah, well I

775
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: appreciate the um academic approach. I think that really spoke

776
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: to us. Um, we've never had a guest do that

777
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: much research before, and I say that earnestly. Yeah, that

778
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: was above and beyond. I guess, um, maybe maybe this

779
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: is insane exercise. Um, if Neil Patrick Harris is listening

780
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 1: right now, is there? This is very rupol At the finale,

781
00:54:48,760 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: I hold up a picture of Neil Patrick Harris Mac

782
00:54:53,320 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: Neil Patrick, what would you say to baby Neil, go home, kid,

783
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:09,440
Speaker 1: take a nap, Take off the scrubs and take a nap,

784
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:21,720
Speaker 1: go to school, get off TV. We're like crying your soul.

785
00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: Oh my god, is like NILA's listening and crying at home.

786
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: He's like, I should have done that. They just got

787
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: me again. Saco Potatoes always, I mean the heart of season,

788
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 1: Sac of Potatoes. She did win miss Congeniality. Um, wow,

789
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,600
Speaker 1: should we do our final seg jewel? Oh my god,

790
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 1: is it that time? I mean, if it's not that,

791
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:57,600
Speaker 1: I'm going to be so embarrassed that I brought it

792
00:55:57,680 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: up as it being that time, because then it's like

793
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:02,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to like Um, just sort of go

794
00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: for us. I know, I at this point, there's only

795
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 1: no way out of this. I mean I brought it up,

796
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,400
Speaker 1: and in a way, as soon as you bring it up,

797
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 1: it's sort of you can't not bring it up, you

798
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Macy, which one of um of

799
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: Barney's catchphrases should we as a podcast take on as

800
00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: our own from now on? Oh? I was like Barney, Um,

801
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 1: Barney's sence. What is his name? Spence, Barney Frank, Barney Frankie.

802
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: I'll talk about a real gay guy. Say that, Say

803
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: that she's giving, She's just giving, She's you know, Barney

804
00:56:44,239 --> 00:56:47,759
Speaker 1: Frank was my guest when I saw Oh Hello on Broadway. Wow.

805
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: I know weird, I know, very weird. It was not

806
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:55,439
Speaker 1: that exciting. Um, I forget the name of the woman

807
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 1: who was mine, and now I feel bad because it's

808
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: the woman from the rest of development who died recently,

809
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 1: Jessica Walt just go Walton. Yeah. She was like, oh

810
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: my god, that's so much better than Barnie Frank. I

811
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: thought Barney Frank was dead. Is that weird? No, he's

812
00:57:09,239 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 1: just gay. Who is Barney Barney Frank is a Massachusetts

813
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: senator who's gay. And it was like, you know he

814
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: was for Patrick Harris. I'm sorry, he's not a senator.

815
00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: He was a representative. He was on an episode of

816
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,200
Speaker 1: My Life on the Dealist with Cathy Griffin. I think

817
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 1: he was, Yes, he was not to be remember, and

818
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,560
Speaker 1: she was like, she was like, you're not like a

819
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:38,520
Speaker 1: regular gay guy. Where's your six pack? And he was like,

820
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 1: I just have some policies that I'd like to talk

821
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: about and she's like, what about a spry tan. Sorry

822
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: and not to be to drag race after show, but

823
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: that show is so good. It's so good. I'm a

824
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: huge it is so good it is. It was so

825
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 1: ahead of its time. She is she's been like the

826
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:05,919
Speaker 1: community has led her down time and time again. Yeah,

827
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: she's a genius. She's a genius. I've never seen that show.

828
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:12,920
Speaker 1: And I thought about being silent and just letting the

829
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:15,000
Speaker 1: audience assume I had seen it and that I was agreeing.

830
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: But I'm coming clean and I haven't. I once went

831
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 1: to her book signing. I did too. I went. She

832
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: like tweeted him about it and it was like a

833
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: random day and like Times Square or whatever was that recently. No,

834
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: this was a long time ago. Yeah, I it was.

835
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 1: I went when it was probably like twous nine or something.

836
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 1: Um and um yeah in San Francisco. I have a

837
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:39,600
Speaker 1: photo with her. I'm wearing an abercrombiean fidget t shirt.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're putting it on the official Stradio

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Speaker 1: Lab Instagram. Yeah. I bought her book on digital and

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Speaker 1: so I had her sign uh like US Weekly with

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Speaker 1: Sarah Palin on it, and I'm from Alaska and I

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Speaker 1: was like, I went to high school with will Oh

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Speaker 1: and she was like, got really scared and thought that

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Speaker 1: I was like Willow's friend or something. She was like okay,

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Speaker 1: and I just kind of signed it like there you go. Wow. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys think I'm Neil Patrick Harris because I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen my life on the d List? Um? You

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Speaker 1: know what. Here's the weird thing is that's where you

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Speaker 1: get complicated because Neil Patrick Harris could have been a

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Speaker 1: guest on My Life on the deal List. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: probably right now. Like I think David Burka was on

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Speaker 1: his husband who's an interior designer. I think so or

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Speaker 1: like party planner or something. Yeah. I love when people

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Speaker 1: are like l a like that, like not to be

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Speaker 1: like super homophobic, but designer or maybe he does shoes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he cuts her. I think he cuts their Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he's a hair stylers guy. Assistant to Diane

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Speaker 1: von First. I think he's Stanley Tucci. Is he Stanley Tucci?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah yeah. Wow. It just throws rocks that,

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Speaker 1: Sarah Jessica. Serious, guys, look up those early scripts. They're

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Speaker 1: really they're so offensive. Okay, alright, well, maybe we should

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Speaker 1: just do our fine. I think we should do it

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Speaker 1: um and we'll do um and then we'll we'll take

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Speaker 1: out We'll end the episode with one of Macy's songs

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Speaker 1: inside of our theme song of that where I could

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Speaker 1: record you a new theme song right now. M hmm, okay, okay, great,

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Speaker 1: let's do that first to our final segment, and then

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Speaker 1: ma see, we'll perform our brand new theme song that try. Okay, Macy,

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Speaker 1: We're so excited you prepared a brand new theme song

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Speaker 1: for us, just like we asked and paid you for

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Speaker 1: in advance, and we cannot wait to debut it on

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Speaker 1: this the first episode of our second season, well or

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Speaker 1: maybe the second or maybe the second we haven't decided,

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Speaker 1: but it all depends on how good the song. There's

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Speaker 1: there's a lot writing on it. M Sam, I would

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Speaker 1: you believe it that? Once again, I'm unprepared for our

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Speaker 1: final segment. Well, I'll at least introduce it and we

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Speaker 1: can think so. May see. Our final segment is called Shoutouts,

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Speaker 1: and in it we um pay homage to the grand

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Speaker 1: st tradition of a radio shout out um to anything

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Speaker 1: that we are enjoying at all um um. So you know,

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Speaker 1: sort of in the style of its two thousand one

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Speaker 1: in Times Square and you're at t r L shouting

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Speaker 1: out to your squad back home. So um, George do

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Speaker 1: you yeah? I just thought it one you go first? Um,

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Speaker 1: what's up, losers? I want to give a quick shout

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Speaker 1: out to books where the may in character is not

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Speaker 1: a writer. You would think they did not make them anymore,

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Speaker 1: and that, in fact, every book has a main character

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Speaker 1: who's a writer, and also an antagonist who is a

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Speaker 1: different writer who is slightly more successful. And while I

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Speaker 1: appreciate the imagination that goes into writing something like that,

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Speaker 1: sometimes I want a book where the main character is

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Speaker 1: you know, a storekeeper or a beekeeper or any job

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Speaker 1: that ends in keeper. And I am, um, I'm in

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Speaker 1: the process of finishing a book where the main character

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Speaker 1: is writer, and after that I will read another one

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Speaker 1: but I have to re because it's new or the

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Speaker 1: main characters writer. But after that, I am in the

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Speaker 1: market for books about Beekeeper. So please get in touch.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at at george to

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Speaker 1: various and recommend beekeeper books. Who Um, Okay, you know

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Speaker 1: I'll give you a similar Yours reminded me of something. UM,

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Speaker 1: what's up everybody? UM, I hope you're having an incredible

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Speaker 1: work day. I hope you're being so productive and making

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Speaker 1: that cash. Honey. UM, I just want to give a

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Speaker 1: huge shout out to insects. When I was up State,

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Speaker 1: I made peace with them and I decided, you know,

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Speaker 1: you're not so gross, you don't scare me. And um,

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Speaker 1: I started to be like, they're actually not so bad. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I don't want it in my home, but if I'm

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Speaker 1: outside and they're interacting with me, I mean it's their world.

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Speaker 1: I'm just living in it, honey, sweete darling, and so

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Speaker 1: I had. UM. I made peace with insects and some

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Speaker 1: of them are beautiful and in the future, I bet

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Speaker 1: we're all going to be eating them. Um. Shout out

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Speaker 1: to insects. I love you guys who That's a really

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Speaker 1: timely one. I feel like it's been written a lot

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Speaker 1: with something like insects are in the news. Yeah, insects

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Speaker 1: are trending, they're going viral. They're going viral, they're producing

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Speaker 1: at rapid rates. So may see. Um, if you want

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Speaker 1: to begin your shout out whenever you feel comfortable. Sorry,

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Speaker 1: we didn't tell you ahead of time you were gonna

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Speaker 1: have to do, Okay. I just want to give a

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Speaker 1: shout out to double Jeopardy, both the movie with actually

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Speaker 1: dud and the concept so many times that I wish

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Speaker 1: that I could get away with because they've already someone's

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Speaker 1: already been charged for it or whatever. To do it again,

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Speaker 1: it sounds really cool. Um, the movie was actually done

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Speaker 1: is really great. Uh. And she's just like kills it

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Speaker 1: and everything that she does, but especially this one because

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of like dramatic scenes where she like

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Speaker 1: is confronting the husband and she's like, I can kill

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Speaker 1: you whenever I want. Uh, Double Jeopardy. I love that.

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Speaker 1: I remember her learning about the concept of double jeopardy

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Speaker 1: as a child and being like, wait, that's amazing, Like

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Speaker 1: you could go to jail. I have to do it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like such a kids loophole, like it's like a

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Speaker 1: rule to a game or something. Yeah, it's also very

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Speaker 1: meta that you recommended to forms of double jeopardy. Oh,

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Speaker 1: double double jeopardy. There you go. Um, well, Macie, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for doing our podcast. It was a delay.

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Speaker 1: It was a true delight to have you on. There's

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Speaker 1: no one else you'd rather have on in our first

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Speaker 1: day of recording our second season and you know, without

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Speaker 1: further ado, I think it's time to premiere the new

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Speaker 1: Stradio Lab theme song, written, performed, edited, and um produced

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Speaker 1: by one Miss Macy Rodman. I did straighty lamb, strainy lamps,

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Speaker 1: strainy lamps, straining lamps, strainy Lab. So many acquaintions Lab.

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Speaker 1: What do we have on the Doctor to Day Lab?

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Speaker 1: Got these potions in a beaker lab Stradi, Hey, are

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Speaker 1: you gonna marry him? Or what? It's giving share? And

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Speaker 1: you know what, Macy, that was giving share. Um, that

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Speaker 1: was amazing. Thank you so much. I'll do it. I'll

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Speaker 1: plug it. Everybody. Listen to Macy's album Unbelievable Animals. It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna fucking freak and you can get in a

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Speaker 1: fight with your lover about the meanings so good. It's

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Speaker 1: so good what it was designed for. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: love Me is so good. Also, I like I'm just

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Speaker 1: I'm a true um. One of my favorites from a

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Speaker 1: previous album is Ugly Bitch, which is also one of

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Speaker 1: my sister's favorite songs, and we quoted to each other

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Speaker 1: all the time. I mean the ultimate straight shooter. One

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Speaker 1: could say is are you ugly or are you a bite? True?

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Speaker 1: So I yeah, I we We normally don't plug the

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Speaker 1: work of our guests because we don't from to succeed,

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Speaker 1: but this is a rare exception where I actually don't

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Speaker 1: feel threatened by mazing success because it's in a different field.

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Speaker 1: So we don't like it. Here we go rack and

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Speaker 1: moate and he moves through the nice a rock and

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Speaker 1: moate and he knows what is un You can give

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Speaker 1: the money and send is taken on my great he'll

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Speaker 1: do it in stime a decade and he most through

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Speaker 1: the