WEBVTT - Anthony Kim's Past Exploits and Possible Future in Golf

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a green, for example, I'm already upset. When

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<v Speaker 1>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball.

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<v Speaker 3>In a brid egg Friday Egg and Frida Egg Friday

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<v Speaker 3>Friday Bride.

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<v Speaker 1>Egg Lie, I'm about ready to run off of the.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Today's episode, me and Joseph Lamania are going to go

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<v Speaker 2>deep on Anthony Kim and Uh. We're also going to

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<v Speaker 2>have Shane Bacon on to talk about this. With obviously

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<v Speaker 2>the news that Anthony Kim might be coming back, we

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<v Speaker 2>figured it'd be fun to do a little career retrospective

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<v Speaker 2>and then looking forward and some comparisons to what Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Kim would be in the modern era. But first, Joseph,

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<v Speaker 2>what are you in on this week?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I'm double dipping a little bit from writing about

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<v Speaker 4>this in the Friday Golf newsletter, but I gotta say

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<v Speaker 4>way in on Tony Feenow regaining some speed.

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<v Speaker 5>Andy.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't know if you saw this, but it's been.

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<v Speaker 2>I read your little piece.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been a little bit of a statistical anomaly. Over

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<v Speaker 4>the last couple of years. I've been puzzled as to

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<v Speaker 4>why Tony Finow's driving distance numbers haven't been what they

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<v Speaker 4>used to be. He's kind of been trending the wrong direction.

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<v Speaker 4>Ball speed pretty much every year on tour has gone down.

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<v Speaker 4>He used to be a top ten, top fifteen ball

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<v Speaker 4>speed guy. Last year was like fortieth, and especially on

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<v Speaker 4>the back half of last year, results weren't as good

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<v Speaker 4>and his driving distance numbers were down. He mentioned after

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<v Speaker 4>one of his rounds at Toy that he's bringing that

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<v Speaker 4>speed back up, that he was nursing a couple injuries

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<v Speaker 4>and he's finally healthy. He did an offseat of off

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<v Speaker 4>sea of training, including some speed training, and I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 4>excited to see what Tony Finow has this year. He's

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<v Speaker 4>obviously a great player. I think some people may forget

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<v Speaker 4>he won four times between July of twenty twenty two

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<v Speaker 4>and April of twenty twenty three, and just real quickly

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<v Speaker 4>to rattle off some of his major championship performances. Between

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<v Speaker 4>twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one, he had at least

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<v Speaker 4>two top tens, and each of those four years at

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<v Speaker 4>least two top tens in a major championship. In twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty two and twenty twenty three zero top tens combined

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<v Speaker 4>in any either of those years, and I think the

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<v Speaker 4>speed decrease is a part of that. So I'm pretty

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<v Speaker 4>excited to see what Tony Finales got this year.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think about Tony Fenow and obviously if

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<v Speaker 2>you were going to pull PGA Tour fans, the first

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<v Speaker 2>attribute in terms of his game that they would touch

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<v Speaker 2>on as the speed.

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<v Speaker 5>So that is.

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<v Speaker 2>A you know, very important aspect to his game, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I think like that would be like if Steph Curry

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<v Speaker 2>had an injury that prohibited him from getting enough lift

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<v Speaker 2>to shoot three pointers right where he was hampered and

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<v Speaker 2>lost let's just say eight percent on a three pointer.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm just trying to equate some equivalencies here, but

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<v Speaker 2>like the aspect of venous distance is it obscures a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit how good of an iron player and short

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<v Speaker 2>game he has. The putting was very scary, very scary Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>That was maybe the worst I've ever seen of it.

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<v Speaker 2>But like you're talking about a guy who has three

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<v Speaker 2>elite skills, and it's very rare for any player to have,

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<v Speaker 2>like the possibility to be at the top end of

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<v Speaker 2>an elite field in three categories. There are very few

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<v Speaker 2>players that can do that, and Tony Fenow obviously getting

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<v Speaker 2>that speedback, that's a good harbinger for twenty twenty four Majors.

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<v Speaker 2>He could be a nice dark horse to look at

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<v Speaker 2>in terms of like if you're doing like I had

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<v Speaker 2>a buddy that was at the win in Vegas and

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<v Speaker 2>sent me a bed slip for the for the Majors,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was picking out some long shots, but like

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<v Speaker 2>that could be one to look at, right.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the Masters in particular is an excellent spot

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<v Speaker 4>for Tony Pinaw. What are you went on?

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<v Speaker 2>I am in on this week's tournament, Pebble Beach. I

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<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of like mixed on designated events in general,

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<v Speaker 2>but I just think that this match is a great

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<v Speaker 2>match in terms of having a elite field at you know,

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<v Speaker 2>your elite venue, like one of your premier venues, and

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<v Speaker 2>the way this all has worked out where the event

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<v Speaker 2>falls in between you know, the super Bowl and the

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<v Speaker 2>Conference Championships. You know, the last few years of this

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<v Speaker 2>event have not been pretty, with the Saudi International kind

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<v Speaker 2>of stealing away a lot of players. Famously, like Phil

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<v Speaker 2>used to play in this event all the time, then

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<v Speaker 2>he started playing at Saudi in international. Now he's obviously

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<v Speaker 2>playing live, but this event has has been kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like mutilated the last few years in terms of a

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<v Speaker 2>field perspective, where it went from one of the stronger

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<v Speaker 2>events to one of the weaker events for a tour

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<v Speaker 2>right now. That is I don't know if struggling is

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<v Speaker 2>the right word, but not its strongest it's ever been

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<v Speaker 2>with fans with with in terms of their fields, in

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<v Speaker 2>terms of their you know who's playing. Having Pebble Beach

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<v Speaker 2>be a big time event on you know what you're

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<v Speaker 2>putting out there on you know, CBS that will be

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<v Speaker 2>broadcasted primetime or not primetime, but like middle Sunday Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>with no real big competition outside of college basketball, this

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<v Speaker 2>event being a big deal is important and awesome for

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<v Speaker 2>the PGA Tour. Right You're going to have the best

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<v Speaker 2>players playing one of your best venues, definitely your best

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<v Speaker 2>television venue. Right from a television perspective, there's no course

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<v Speaker 2>that it comes close to Pebble Beach, So just that

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<v Speaker 2>pairing is an awesome thing for the PGA Tour. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>super in on this event. I think reducing the pro

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<v Speaker 2>am to just two days makes a ton of sense

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<v Speaker 2>dropping on PCC. It's a wonderful golf course, but having

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<v Speaker 2>to be just pebble and spyglass, it just makes this

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<v Speaker 2>event a lot cleaner, a lot cleaner in the future

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<v Speaker 2>of it, and just in general. I'm way in on

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<v Speaker 2>this event.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm with you. I think the visuals alone are gonna

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<v Speaker 4>be awesome having all the best golfers, most of the

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<v Speaker 4>best golfers in the world on the same golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>I think weather it's a little bit of a concern.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't know if you've checked out the forecast,

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<v Speaker 4>but looks.

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<v Speaker 2>Like I'm aware. I'm aware the atmospheric river's coming. I

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<v Speaker 2>think I think it could be good for entertainment on

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<v Speaker 2>the golf course.

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<v Speaker 4>I hope, so yeah, I just don't want to have

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<v Speaker 4>a soggy finish.

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<v Speaker 5>We'll see.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm with you, it's gonna be a great tournament.

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<v Speaker 4>But one thing I'm out on that's related to the tournament.

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<v Speaker 4>I know this has been talked about a little bit.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm way out on the sponsor exemptions and how they

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<v Speaker 4>were used this week, and specifically Peter Malnatti, Web Simpson,

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<v Speaker 4>Adam Scott, three policy board members all getting a sponsor

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<v Speaker 4>exemption into this event. I think optically it's really bad.

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<v Speaker 4>And I mean Peter mal Naughty and Web Simpson are

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<v Speaker 4>two of the players with the longest odds to win

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<v Speaker 4>this tournament. Peter Malnatty's dead last, And I just think

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<v Speaker 4>generally the tour has a bit of an optics issue

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<v Speaker 4>with some backscratching. If you're in the in crowd, maybe

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<v Speaker 4>you'll get an invite it to a twenty million dollar

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<v Speaker 4>perse with no cuts. And I do have a problem

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<v Speaker 4>with it. Think sponsor exemptions can be a tricky subject because,

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<v Speaker 4>like nobody's complaining about Nick Dunlap right like, because I'm

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<v Speaker 4>kind of philosophically opposed to sponsor exemptions in general. But

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<v Speaker 4>somebody could say, well, Nick Dunlap was a great use

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<v Speaker 4>of a sponsor exemption.

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<v Speaker 2>Or or if Tiger wants to play, what do you

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<v Speaker 2>do then?

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<v Speaker 4>And I think my answer to both of those is

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<v Speaker 4>that there are ways to get them into the field

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<v Speaker 4>that aren't a sponsor exemption. You could carve out a

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<v Speaker 4>spot for the reigning US Amateur champion. That's a good

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<v Speaker 4>way to get somebody into the field without having to

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<v Speaker 4>giving somebody the ability to just write an aim in

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<v Speaker 4>that you know, you could get a situation like paresh

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<v Speaker 4>am In last year, which was a crazy sponsor exemption

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<v Speaker 4>at the Dessert Class.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you explain what happened for those that might might

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<v Speaker 2>have forgotten about paresh Amn. Yeah, well they had a

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<v Speaker 2>great breakdown on the shotgun start.

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<v Speaker 4>There were no boundaries around what a sponsor exemption could be.

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<v Speaker 4>So this guy Paresha'm in that I'm hesitant to call

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<v Speaker 4>him a professional golfer, though I think he's played some

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<v Speaker 4>mini tour stuff, routinely shoots in the eighties in many

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<v Speaker 4>tour golf, and got a sponsor exemption into the Dessert

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<v Speaker 4>Classic last year, which is a partner event. So I

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<v Speaker 4>think he ended up teaming up with Michael Thompson if

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<v Speaker 4>I remember correctly, and I mean he was shooting, hitting

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<v Speaker 4>terrible golf shots, might have shot in the eighties on

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<v Speaker 4>his own ball, if I recall correctly, in the best

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<v Speaker 4>ball portion of that format. So just generally there have

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<v Speaker 4>been some stinky sponsor exemptions, and I think this week,

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<v Speaker 4>even if yeah, Peter Malnati is a PGA Tour player,

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<v Speaker 4>like he's not paresham In, but having three of those

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<v Speaker 4>spots go to policy board members. When it's a twenty

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<v Speaker 4>million dollars no cut event, I think looks bad. And

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not going to say it puts a black cloud

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<v Speaker 4>on the event. It doesn't, but I just think generally

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<v Speaker 4>the tour needs to clean that kind of stuff up.

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<v Speaker 2>That's uh, I agree. I don't know what the right

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<v Speaker 2>answer is, but I do know that they are not

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<v Speaker 2>vitally important. And I also know that four is not

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<v Speaker 2>the right number of sponsors exemptions. I could, I could.

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<v Speaker 2>I just think that there has to be a really

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<v Speaker 2>great reduction in them. I probably think that it's a

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<v Speaker 2>non even number, no greater than two, right, that's probably

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<v Speaker 2>the right number.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm inclined towards zero, truly, And you figure, oh, way, Ty,

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<v Speaker 4>you could use a career money list type of exemption

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<v Speaker 4>if you need to, or like in the Nick Dunlap case,

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<v Speaker 4>reigning US Amateur champion, Like, I'm just in favor of

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<v Speaker 4>getting them into the field organically and not giving somebody

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<v Speaker 4>the ability to just write and name it.

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<v Speaker 2>So my thought, this is just my general thought, is

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<v Speaker 2>that this is a great argument for trees, like on

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<v Speaker 2>golf courses, when somebody's like, oh, you can't you can't

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<v Speaker 2>cut down trees like you know you're gonna ruin the holes.

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<v Speaker 2>Is if you walk around with them and say show

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<v Speaker 2>me the tree, one tree, you could give them eighteen

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<v Speaker 2>trees one tree per whole, Eighteen trees on a golf

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<v Speaker 2>course that are vitally important to the integrity of this

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<v Speaker 2>golf course. You know, when they when you synthesize it

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<v Speaker 2>down to like that that eighteen you get eighteen trees

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<v Speaker 2>you could keep, they'll usually come back with like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's like four important trees. So if you just reduce

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<v Speaker 2>the sponsor's exemptions, people are gonna be like, oh, like

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<v Speaker 2>these really aren't very important, and it's a way you

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of them slowly.

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<v Speaker 4>I tell you what, Between the sponsor exemption talk and

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<v Speaker 4>the tree talk, this is going to be Web Simpson's

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<v Speaker 4>least favorite segment on the Friday Golf Podcast of all time.

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<v Speaker 2>And he might agree. He might agree with this, like,

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<v Speaker 2>but you're not going to turn down getting into a

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<v Speaker 2>no CUD event that's got a twenty million dollars pers.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, she has a legitimate impact on other people's careers,

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<v Speaker 4>right Their FedEx cut points up for grabs that this

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<v Speaker 4>could end up being the difference between why Web Simpson

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<v Speaker 4>gets a card next year versus Saturdaycneely or Matt McNeely. Absolutely, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>what else are you out on this week?

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<v Speaker 5>Andy?

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<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm out. I'm just out on the continued

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<v Speaker 2>advancement of modern drivers. Oh yeah, this is uh, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a topic that I've approached many times here, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing like sub drivers that are touting if you

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<v Speaker 2>hit it off the center of the club face, the

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<v Speaker 2>ball goes actually further than if you hit it in

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<v Speaker 2>the dead center of the sweet spot. I mean, what

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<v Speaker 2>are we doing with professional golf? Like I'm all for

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<v Speaker 2>this for like fifteen handicaps and twenty handicaps. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>saying that we should be making the game more approachable

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<v Speaker 2>for them, But in the vein of professional golf, all

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<v Speaker 2>we're doing is we're just obscuring skill over and over again.

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<v Speaker 2>Like we're making it so it's just impossible to tell

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<v Speaker 2>who's better at golf, and it becomes just a putting

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<v Speaker 2>contest every week because off the tee the ball like

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<v Speaker 2>I have a new paradigm. I'm not gonna lie, like

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<v Speaker 2>the thing always goes straight. Like it's hard for me

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<v Speaker 2>to hit bad t shots, Like really hard, and I

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<v Speaker 2>just think that this driver technology has gotten completely out

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<v Speaker 2>of control, especially when you're talking about the greatest players

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<v Speaker 2>in the game. We should be, you know, the game

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<v Speaker 2>at the high level, at the pro golf. There's so

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<v Speaker 2>many things that are broken, but this might be the

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<v Speaker 2>most broken thing aspect of all of it, is that

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<v Speaker 2>we have we have taken to the club that was

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<v Speaker 2>the hardest club to hit in the bag in the

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<v Speaker 2>nineties and it is now the easiest club to hit

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<v Speaker 2>in the bag. As your driver, without a doubt, is

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<v Speaker 2>the easiest club to hit in the bag. So now

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<v Speaker 2>we have everybody can get off the tee and then

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<v Speaker 2>it just makes the game so much less interesting and really,

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<v Speaker 2>what is doing I saw there was a Shane Ryan

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<v Speaker 2>article and Golf Died just this week about how golf

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't have any needle movers. Well, you know why, because

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<v Speaker 2>dominance greatness in golf is being obscured by equipment. And

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<v Speaker 2>the sooner we rain this stuff back, the sooner we

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<v Speaker 2>make the driver hard to hit again, the sooner we'll

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<v Speaker 2>know who the actual superstars of the sport are. So

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just so out out on this new driver technology

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<v Speaker 2>and the idea that the world's best players have clubs

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<v Speaker 2>that you can hit it anywhere on the club base

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<v Speaker 2>and have it go out of the park. And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to make a crazy comparison to steray baseball,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's the same thing.

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<v Speaker 5>It was.

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<v Speaker 2>It was like, oh, a broken bat home run for

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that was juiced up right, Like this is insane.

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<v Speaker 2>You shouldn't be able to just neck it and have

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<v Speaker 2>it go three twenty. Bring back distance dispersion with the driver.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's the big thing that you see with

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<v Speaker 2>the old clubs is that there was a chance the

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<v Speaker 2>ball might go to sixty. If you hit it on

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<v Speaker 2>the nuts, it's going to go to ninety, but you

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<v Speaker 2>had a thirty yard there's no distance dispersion.

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<v Speaker 4>Now totally agree Andy, I mean anecdotally, I could not

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<v Speaker 4>hit a driver in high school and now with a

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<v Speaker 4>modern driver, like I'm pretty good with my driver, and

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<v Speaker 4>it's not because my swing's a lot better. There was

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<v Speaker 4>a moment during the Farmer's Insurance Open where within like

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<v Speaker 4>a two minute span you had a commercial for the

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<v Speaker 4>Callaway AI Smoke this new driver, which literally says they

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<v Speaker 4>show the visual of the driver and they show all

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<v Speaker 4>these different circles where you can hit on the driver

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<v Speaker 4>head and they say in the commercial whether you hit

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<v Speaker 4>one off the toe, heel high or low, there's a

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<v Speaker 4>speed spot there. And then within two minutes there's Xander

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<v Speaker 4>Shaftley hitting the AI smoke in the event and he

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<v Speaker 4>kind of one hand finishes the driver. He doesn't strike

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<v Speaker 4>it well and it goes like right past Tony Fenow's ball,

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<v Speaker 4>who had just hit one that he hit pretty well.

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<v Speaker 4>Like it's right in front of your face that you

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<v Speaker 4>don't have to hit the center of the club face

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<v Speaker 4>and they're advertising it. So I agree with you, Like,

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<v Speaker 4>maybe for the amateur that's fine, but at the professional level,

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's extremely distasteful and promoting it as if

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<v Speaker 4>it's a good thing. I think it's clearly taking away

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<v Speaker 4>from the skill in the sport. So wholeheartedly agree with you.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm out on that too.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, Well that's it. Let's get to Shane Baker

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<v Speaker 2>and Anthony Kim. But first let's talk a little bit

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<v Speaker 2>Shane and our Anthony Kim discussion. All right, Shane, welcome

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<v Speaker 2>on big News. I'm excited to talk in depth about this.

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<v Speaker 2>Big news last week was Anthony Kim is mulling a

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<v Speaker 2>return to golf, potentially live, potentially the PGA Tour. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Kim, for the vast majority of our adulthood, really

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<v Speaker 2>like post college life, has been a bit of an

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<v Speaker 2>internet folk hero. You know, we had we had Anthony

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<v Speaker 2>Kim in our early twenties and Joseph, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>had Anthony Kim in your teen years you're coming of

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<v Speaker 2>age years. But he's been gone for a while, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the last week I've really been rebooting some

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Kim memories thinking about his golf game in detail,

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<v Speaker 2>and I figured that would be a good exercise. It is,

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<v Speaker 2>to really go in depth as to who Anthony Kim was,

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<v Speaker 2>our favorite memories from the Anthony Kim years, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of talk about who he might be

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<v Speaker 2>if he comes back. You know, what, what type of

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<v Speaker 2>player would he profile as if we took his stats

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<v Speaker 2>from yesteryear to translate him to today, what type of

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<v Speaker 2>you know, how we would rank the world scheme if

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<v Speaker 2>he came back with no rust, which you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a fascinating topic and it'll be interesting to see in

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<v Speaker 2>the coming days or weeks if he ends up being

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<v Speaker 2>you know, returning to golf. I would guess it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be live. But we can talk more about that later.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you guys, just before we get really in depth,

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<v Speaker 2>what are your guys memories of Ak?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 3>Andy, I just want to say I was reminded via

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<v Speaker 3>Twitter I wrote a mail bag for foxsports dot com

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<v Speaker 3>back in twenty sixteen, So what's that eight years ago?

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<v Speaker 3>The headline the mail bag was what would break golf

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<v Speaker 3>media or a Tiger win or an Anthony Kim return

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<v Speaker 3>to the PGA Tour. Unfortunately, as I go to click

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<v Speaker 3>that link, it's dead So this is how far back

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<v Speaker 3>Anthony Kims stories go as you get dead link. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, listen, this has been something we've talked a

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<v Speaker 3>lot about, Joseph. I know, again not in your age

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<v Speaker 3>your age range necessarily, but for Andy and I. I

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<v Speaker 3>think Andy's thirty eight, is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Andy thirty seven? You're thirty seven almost I'm approaching thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean this guy's like literally right in the

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<v Speaker 3>middle of you and I. I mean I'm forty and

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<v Speaker 3>your thirty seven and Ak thirty eight. So when you

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<v Speaker 3>talk about the next thing after Tiger, when Tiger burst

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<v Speaker 3>on the scene and we were a little younger, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>then we'd been kind of formidable years, if you will.

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<v Speaker 3>AK was kind of our guy, even before Rory McElroy

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<v Speaker 3>and Jordan's speeds. So for you and I, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>the Anthony Kim return has always been something we have

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<v Speaker 3>at least, you know, hoped to see in some capacity.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, it's it's been a topic and obviously

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<v Speaker 2>there are a lot of factors into this, and we'll

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<v Speaker 2>get into them all, but I figure what would be

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<v Speaker 2>really instructive is a little bit of Anthony Kim background.

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<v Speaker 2>I got. I got in the weeds. This brought back

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<v Speaker 2>some memories of the Shotgun start spotlights that Brendan and

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<v Speaker 2>I literally text about every month about bringing back you know.

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<v Speaker 2>But I got into the weeds found some really really

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<v Speaker 2>great articles. The really the best article about Anthony Kim

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<v Speaker 2>that I would urge everybody to go read, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of stuff that I'm going to go through here

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<v Speaker 2>is from is Tom Callahan's Golf Digest article. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the greatest golf writers of all time, Tom Callahan, and

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<v Speaker 2>he did an unbelievable profile, I believe, in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>and nine on Anthony Kim. So let's get into some

0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:40.840
<v Speaker 2>ak basics. He's thirty eight years old. As Shane mentioned,

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<v Speaker 2>he was the son of two Korean immigrants, and he

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<v Speaker 2>was born in Koreatown in LA. His parents like were

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<v Speaker 2>not obviously well off, but they owned a spice shop

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<v Speaker 2>in LA that became like pretty popular and they accumulated

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<v Speaker 2>like pretty substantial wealth. He was promising player, and the

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<v Speaker 2>parents had enough money that they were able to buy

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<v Speaker 2>a second house in Lakita. So at age sixteen, I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is just like a great intro story about

0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:16.400
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Kim at age sixteen, he was living basically on

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<v Speaker 2>his own.

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<v Speaker 3>His his mom would go out every week and basically

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<v Speaker 3>make meals for the week. You know, you see that

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<v Speaker 3>obviously on social media now where you know you cook

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<v Speaker 3>something on Sunday for the whole week, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you basically prepackage all your lunches. His mom was coming

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<v Speaker 3>out and making him lunch for the week and then

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<v Speaker 3>going back home. He's sixteen years old, living at PJA

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<v Speaker 3>West playing golf every day.

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<v Speaker 5>It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, So he his parents would visit on the

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<v Speaker 2>weekend and that was he was on his own during

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<v Speaker 2>the week. Like any parent out there, just think about

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<v Speaker 2>the craziness of this. But this was their dedication to

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<v Speaker 2>his golf game. They knew that living in the city

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<v Speaker 2>of la and the the golf that was afforded him

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<v Speaker 2>was not as conducive as him living in Palm Springs,

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<v Speaker 2>so they, you know, huge sacrifice for his golf. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>from m calahan Golf Digest article, and this is this

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<v Speaker 2>is amazing growing up in LA This is where Kim resolved. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this is where Kim resolved to choke up on every shot,

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<v Speaker 2>not really because the cheft was too long, simply because

0:23:25.960 --> 0:23:28.320
<v Speaker 2>that part of the grip felt good to him. So

0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:31.400
<v Speaker 2>he he was notorious. He choked up about an inch

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<v Speaker 2>and a half on every shot. It was just something

0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:39.200
<v Speaker 2>that you knew from him. Here's Nick Demico, who who

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<v Speaker 2>was the marshal at the golf course. We're so proud

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<v Speaker 2>of Anthony. He had a little bit of a rep

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<v Speaker 2>when he was nine and ten. What a cocky little

0:23:47.640 --> 0:23:51.360
<v Speaker 2>bastard he was. No we all loved him. He'd look

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<v Speaker 2>out at that two hundred and thirty yard sign hanging

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<v Speaker 2>on the back high back netting and say, someday, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to drive a ball over that fence. I told

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<v Speaker 2>them is part of my job, Anthony, to make sure

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:06.159
<v Speaker 2>balls don't go over that fence. But it's okay with

0:24:06.240 --> 0:24:10.280
<v Speaker 2>me if you want to try. Here's Ron del Barrio,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a teaching pro at this little nine hole

0:24:13.359 --> 0:24:15.720
<v Speaker 2>course or a nine hole par three course they grew

0:24:15.800 --> 0:24:18.919
<v Speaker 2>up at. You always knew when Anthony was here because

0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:23.240
<v Speaker 2>you could hear that unmistakable crack of the ball. Newcomers

0:24:23.240 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 2>would turn around and ask who hit that. He barely

0:24:26.640 --> 0:24:28.800
<v Speaker 2>came up to the waists of the guys. He challenged

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<v Speaker 2>to two hole matches up one and back down nine

0:24:32.240 --> 0:24:35.639
<v Speaker 2>for a buck. That's my memory of him here, returning

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<v Speaker 2>with a smile on his face, waving a dollar bill.

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<v Speaker 5>So andy.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems like like I remember Natalie goldb was telling

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<v Speaker 3>me years ago that the two players that made the

0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.720
<v Speaker 3>difference sound with the golf club were Tiger and Adam Scott.

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<v Speaker 3>When you read through old Anthony Kim's stories, it seems

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<v Speaker 3>like he was one of those guys as well. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean I was going through old articles like Phil Mickelson

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 3>talking about how good he hit the ball golf ball,

0:24:57.680 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 3>Rory mclory talking about how so he hit it every

0:25:00.840 --> 0:25:04.399
<v Speaker 3>single time. Brian Harmon was on with Colton Drew and

0:25:04.440 --> 0:25:06.840
<v Speaker 3>they were talking. He was talking about the ball striking

0:25:06.840 --> 0:25:09.679
<v Speaker 3>when they played together at the Walker Cup at Chicago.

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.280
<v Speaker 3>Just his ability to hit it in the center of

0:25:12.280 --> 0:25:15.800
<v Speaker 3>the face at all times was the separator. You know,

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:17.600
<v Speaker 3>when you think about him coming up as a junior

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:20.439
<v Speaker 3>golfer and a great young player. Was he was the

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:22.680
<v Speaker 3>ball striker that great ball strikers envy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean he was. He was electric. Electric.

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:28.520
<v Speaker 2>So he went to Oklahoma.

0:25:28.600 --> 0:25:30.399
<v Speaker 3>Well, hold on, Nady, real quick, real quick. Just just

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:32.840
<v Speaker 3>want to touch the ship Nuck article as well. Ship

0:25:32.960 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 3>Nuck wrote a piece about Ak, and he talked a

0:25:35.880 --> 0:25:38.920
<v Speaker 3>little bit about Ak and his dad's relationship, and there

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:44.080
<v Speaker 3>was some Earl Woodsyan situations between Paul Ak's dad and Ak.

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.720
<v Speaker 3>He once threw a first place trophy away that Anthony

0:25:47.800 --> 0:25:50.359
<v Speaker 3>had won because he said he didn't shoot low enough

0:25:50.640 --> 0:25:52.879
<v Speaker 3>even though he won first place. He threw it in

0:25:52.960 --> 0:25:55.639
<v Speaker 3>the trash and they had a spat. I believe it

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:57.520
<v Speaker 3>might have been when he was in college where the

0:25:57.520 --> 0:25:59.439
<v Speaker 3>two didn't talk to each other for two years. So

0:25:59.720 --> 0:26:02.399
<v Speaker 3>there was a lot of that pushing your son as

0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.240
<v Speaker 3>much as you could push them type of situation between

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:07.800
<v Speaker 3>dad and son. With Anthony Kim that, you know, it

0:26:07.880 --> 0:26:09.840
<v Speaker 3>was probably a big part of how he got so

0:26:09.920 --> 0:26:13.600
<v Speaker 3>great so early. Yet obviously there was some some background

0:26:13.640 --> 0:26:16.679
<v Speaker 3>battles between the two that they dealt with internally with

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:17.159
<v Speaker 3>the family.

0:26:17.520 --> 0:26:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I it's interesting the push and pull

0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:23.879
<v Speaker 2>of youth sports, right, I thought, I don't know if

0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:28.200
<v Speaker 2>you guys watched that Yannick Centner's speech yep at the

0:26:28.520 --> 0:26:31.720
<v Speaker 2>at the Australian Open after winning I thought that was amazing, he.

0:26:31.720 --> 0:26:33.880
<v Speaker 3>Said, he said, I wish everybody had parents like mine.

0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:36.480
<v Speaker 3>Basically is such a cool line to say, right, I mean,

0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:38.359
<v Speaker 3>I know, Joseph, I know you don't have kids, but

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:40.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, for Andy and I, it's like raising these

0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.560
<v Speaker 3>little kids. I mean just imagining them saying something that

0:26:43.760 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 3>nice and that thoughtful when they're eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty two.

0:26:47.920 --> 0:26:49.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean that's the dream, right, is that you could

0:26:49.960 --> 0:26:52.120
<v Speaker 3>raise them in this perfect way. Yet on the other end,

0:26:52.400 --> 0:26:54.280
<v Speaker 3>you see so many great athletes that had parents that

0:26:54.560 --> 0:26:55.960
<v Speaker 3>pushed the hell out of them, you know, I mean

0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 3>it's it's really a push and pool that's tough to

0:26:58.160 --> 0:26:58.800
<v Speaker 3>tough to battle.

0:26:59.160 --> 0:27:02.679
<v Speaker 2>What was the sport? Yanik was so center, you know,

0:27:02.760 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 2>his whole thesis behind his parents was they let me

0:27:05.520 --> 0:27:09.399
<v Speaker 2>do whatever I wanted, and he was. He won some

0:27:09.480 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 2>sort of world junior event at age eleven and another

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:16.119
<v Speaker 2>sport I'm forgetting right now, and then he's winning the

0:27:16.160 --> 0:27:18.360
<v Speaker 2>Australian Open at at age twenty two.

0:27:18.960 --> 0:27:22.240
<v Speaker 5>I want to say, some skiing or swimming or something.

0:27:22.359 --> 0:27:25.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah that sounds about yeah, like he was great skier,

0:27:25.359 --> 0:27:29.600
<v Speaker 2>world world you know, like a world class junior skier

0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:34.280
<v Speaker 2>at age eleven, and then literally eleven years later he's

0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:37.440
<v Speaker 2>winning one of the Grand Slams at tennis. I'm unbelievable,

0:27:37.800 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 2>and I think, like real, you know, uh should be

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:45.720
<v Speaker 2>real fuel for allowing kids to experiment play different sports.

0:27:45.960 --> 0:27:47.879
<v Speaker 4>Andy on the maybe I'm getting ahead of us a

0:27:47.920 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 4>little bit, but on the Anthony Kim part of this

0:27:50.720 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 4>is because amateur data isn't as good when you go

0:27:53.119 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 4>back that far. But can you paint a little bit

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.280
<v Speaker 4>of a picture of how hyped of a prospect Anthony

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:01.600
<v Speaker 4>Kim was going into Oklahoma? Are you Maybe you're getting

0:28:01.640 --> 0:28:03.920
<v Speaker 4>into that in some of his amateur accolades. But that's

0:28:03.920 --> 0:28:06.240
<v Speaker 4>something that's still unclear to me because there's this conversation

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 4>now of it was Anthony Kim overrated? And do we

0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 4>overglorify him when we looked back at the time. So curious,

0:28:12.600 --> 0:28:14.200
<v Speaker 4>how if you can paint the picture of his early

0:28:14.240 --> 0:28:16.600
<v Speaker 4>amateur career leading in he was, I mean, he.

0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:22.359
<v Speaker 2>Was, like all he was legitately great, great prospect, huge

0:28:22.520 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>boom going to Oklahoma. And when he gets to Oklahoma,

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:31.240
<v Speaker 2>immediately one of the best college golfers in the country, like.

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.439
<v Speaker 3>All American all three years, right, all three years, all American,

0:28:34.480 --> 0:28:36.760
<v Speaker 3>best scoring average in Oklahoma history at the point at

0:28:36.800 --> 0:28:37.200
<v Speaker 3>that time.

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah, So here we go. So he's three time

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.760
<v Speaker 2>All American two thousand and five Walker Cup. He turned

0:28:42.800 --> 0:28:46.440
<v Speaker 2>pro in two thousand and six after three years at Oklahoma.

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>His last year he was a second team All American.

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 2>And we'll get into why Tom Callahan article again. In college,

0:28:56.600 --> 0:29:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Kim hardly has to say. Kids drink every single day.

0:29:00.960 --> 0:29:03.880
<v Speaker 2>That's what I did. When you're in college, you feel invincible.

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.080
<v Speaker 2>You don't have to make a tea time because you're

0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:08.960
<v Speaker 2>on full scholarship at OU. Whether you go to class

0:29:09.040 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>or not, it doesn't matter. I tried to go to

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 2>class as little as possible. What was his major? I

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:17.840
<v Speaker 2>majored in. Not picking a major, he says, I just

0:29:17.920 --> 0:29:21.560
<v Speaker 2>kept it undeciding, bidding my time until I turned pro.

0:29:22.200 --> 0:29:25.280
<v Speaker 2>He planned to spend just one year in Norman, mainly

0:29:25.320 --> 0:29:28.160
<v Speaker 2>to please his mother, but she wheeled two more out

0:29:28.200 --> 0:29:31.280
<v Speaker 2>of them. However, in Anthony's third and final year, he

0:29:31.360 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 2>went a little haywire, which is to say, backward, not

0:29:34.920 --> 0:29:38.200
<v Speaker 2>so much on the merits as on the demerits. Kim

0:29:38.280 --> 0:29:41.440
<v Speaker 2>slipped from first team All American to second How could

0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 2>I be second team? He thought at the time. In

0:29:44.760 --> 0:29:46.880
<v Speaker 2>one of the best fields we played all year, I

0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.960
<v Speaker 2>won by eight shots. Before that, another good field I

0:29:50.000 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 2>won by seven. But he says, now, it's also true

0:29:53.520 --> 0:29:55.520
<v Speaker 2>that I was a bench for a few tournaments. I

0:29:55.560 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know, probably five tournaments, and I said stupid things

0:29:58.920 --> 0:30:01.600
<v Speaker 2>all the time. I still say soup the things. The

0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:04.240
<v Speaker 2>bottom line it's taken me a while to come to

0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:07.480
<v Speaker 2>this is that it was mostly by fault. You can't

0:30:07.480 --> 0:30:10.560
<v Speaker 2>screw up yourself if that expect the best from someone else.

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 2>So just like, I mean, he's just golf everything second

0:30:15.640 --> 0:30:18.880
<v Speaker 2>to partying. When he gets to college and he's still

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 2>just dominating college.

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you talk about foreshadowing for you know, the

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 3>big moments of his careers, and I know we'll get

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:26.840
<v Speaker 3>to Alan Be in a bit, but I mean the

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:29.320
<v Speaker 3>fact that he you know, we joke, I know, we've

0:30:29.400 --> 0:30:31.719
<v Speaker 3>joked at times about if there was like a booze

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.920
<v Speaker 3>tournament for professional golfers, who would win. It feels like

0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:38.160
<v Speaker 3>Anthony Kim would have been the heavy favorite in that department.

0:30:38.360 --> 0:30:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Ship Nuck in his article about ak I think he

0:30:40.400 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 3>said he had a double major at Oklahoma and it

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:45.240
<v Speaker 3>was girls and partying, you know, I mean, that's obviously

0:30:45.320 --> 0:30:47.080
<v Speaker 3>was the focus, you know when he was in Oklahoma

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:49.240
<v Speaker 3>was he was going to party first. He was gonna

0:30:49.240 --> 0:30:52.040
<v Speaker 3>play great golf second. And he knew even with party

0:30:52.040 --> 0:30:53.520
<v Speaker 3>and the great golf was going to come because that's

0:30:53.560 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 3>how talented he was.

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:59.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's the talent was is unbelievable. So he he

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 2>turned pro in two thousand and six. In his first event,

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:07.080
<v Speaker 2>he gets a sponsor's exemption into the Vivalero Texas Open.

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:09.880
<v Speaker 2>He finishes second sixty five.

0:31:09.720 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 5>In the final round to nearly win.

0:31:12.200 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 3>Eric actually won that week and he said, Andy, I

0:31:15.880 --> 0:31:17.560
<v Speaker 3>don't know if you have this, but he said after that,

0:31:17.720 --> 0:31:20.520
<v Speaker 3>the second place finish, he said, that was the worst

0:31:21.040 --> 0:31:23.000
<v Speaker 3>thing that could have happened to me, was what he said,

0:31:23.040 --> 0:31:25.680
<v Speaker 3>because he said he liked shiny things. And I think

0:31:25.720 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 3>he got like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars check

0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 3>for second place, and he said nothing could have been

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:32.520
<v Speaker 3>worse for him right out of the gate than than

0:31:32.600 --> 0:31:34.760
<v Speaker 3>playing that well in his first PGA Tour bet.

0:31:35.040 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 2>So this is the Callahan Digest article speaking of headaches,

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:42.600
<v Speaker 2>Anthony wasn't finished with the vodka. In two thousand and six,

0:31:42.640 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 2>previewing the PGA Tour at two stops, so he only

0:31:45.000 --> 0:31:49.040
<v Speaker 2>got two sponsor exemptions. Kim had either the good or

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 2>bad fortune to succeed instantly, debuting at the Valero Texas

0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Open on his sponsor's exemption. He finished tied for second

0:31:57.480 --> 0:32:00.840
<v Speaker 2>and earned three hundred grand. Until that moment, Anthony wasn't

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 2>completely sure he could make a living with his golf clubs.

0:32:04.080 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 2>This may sound crazy, he says, but at the Vallero

0:32:06.360 --> 0:32:09.120
<v Speaker 2>I kind of figured it out. After that, and for

0:32:09.160 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>a long while he was a little too sure. That

0:32:12.560 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 2>first year, I didn't know what happened. It was a

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 2>train wreck of a year. I did everything wrong he

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 2>could possibly do. I didn't deserve to keep my card.

0:32:21.400 --> 0:32:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how many golf balls I hit in

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.520
<v Speaker 2>two thousand and seven, but it couldn't have been in

0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 2>the thousands. Sometimes I would hit ten for a week.

0:32:28.880 --> 0:32:31.120
<v Speaker 2>I'd just play the tournament. And that's not me, that's

0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Carlos Franco. Carlos Franco so funny. I need to hit

0:32:35.840 --> 0:32:38.040
<v Speaker 2>golf balls and loosen up and go through my routine.

0:32:38.080 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>I didn't do that. I stayed out every night. Everyone

0:32:40.240 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 2>saw it. I didn't respect the game. I didn't respect myself.

0:32:44.360 --> 0:32:46.800
<v Speaker 2>On a hungover day, he'd sit back and reflect, what

0:32:46.840 --> 0:32:50.200
<v Speaker 2>are you doing? But he knew the answer. You're screwing

0:32:50.240 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 2>off instead of working, and then you're tired. For the

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.680
<v Speaker 2>next three weeks. To try and take some of that

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.560
<v Speaker 2>tiredness away, you go out on the town again looking

0:32:57.560 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 2>for a rhythm. Now you're two months tired, exhausted as shame.

0:33:01.200 --> 0:33:04.000
<v Speaker 2>And that's how my year went. So he does those

0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 2>two sponsors exemptions and then he got his card through

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:10.360
<v Speaker 2>Q School, so he finished tent thirteen in Q School.

0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 2>That's how he played two thousand and seven. So he

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:15.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of like at the end of two thousand and seven,

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>turt kind of started to take golf more seriously and

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:23.800
<v Speaker 2>one person that he went to to help out was Marcomira.

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:26.240
<v Speaker 4>Well and Andy, not to interrupt you, but I think

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 4>one interesting the two thousand and seven season and how

0:33:29.480 --> 0:33:33.600
<v Speaker 4>you described it as a catastrophe. He still played like

0:33:34.040 --> 0:33:36.959
<v Speaker 4>decent and golf by other people's standards, like he was

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:40.480
<v Speaker 4>somewhe around thirtieth and strokes gained for the season, made

0:33:40.480 --> 0:33:43.680
<v Speaker 4>twenty cuts in twenty six starts, hit four top ten,

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:47.719
<v Speaker 4>so not like the prolific career that he would have

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.080
<v Speaker 4>the next year. But it wasn't like two thousand and seven,

0:33:51.080 --> 0:33:54.000
<v Speaker 4>he missed every cut. Like, it's interesting to look at

0:33:54.000 --> 0:33:56.560
<v Speaker 4>his stats compared to maybe how it was described and

0:33:56.600 --> 0:33:58.840
<v Speaker 4>how badly he says he hit the ball because it

0:33:58.880 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 4>wasn't a complete disaster. Articles about him being one of

0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:03.560
<v Speaker 4>the best rookies of the year, And I think that's.

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 2>An interesting thing with this whole dif Like people look

0:34:06.400 --> 0:34:09.719
<v Speaker 2>back now at the stats and be like, well, look

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.719
<v Speaker 2>at these bad years, and here it's like, yeah, I

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:15.960
<v Speaker 2>went out out every night, I partied every night, and

0:34:16.160 --> 0:34:18.399
<v Speaker 2>like that would be a detraction if you just looked

0:34:18.400 --> 0:34:21.560
<v Speaker 2>at the stats, right, This is the context behind the stats,

0:34:21.880 --> 0:34:23.640
<v Speaker 2>is some of what was going on in his life.

0:34:23.920 --> 0:34:25.960
<v Speaker 2>And then the back half, like we only have a

0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:29.080
<v Speaker 2>couple good years of ak like to look at because

0:34:29.120 --> 0:34:31.919
<v Speaker 2>then he had the injuries, right, and that's where we've

0:34:31.920 --> 0:34:34.640
<v Speaker 2>gotten to now, Like that is the story till now,

0:34:34.920 --> 0:34:38.759
<v Speaker 2>is the injuries, the time away. But like there's only

0:34:38.800 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>a couple good years. So so two thousand and eight

0:34:42.920 --> 0:34:45.640
<v Speaker 2>is his big year where he kind of bursts on

0:34:45.680 --> 0:34:49.520
<v Speaker 2>the scene and he became the first player to win

0:34:49.680 --> 0:34:53.200
<v Speaker 2>twice in a year under the age of twenty five

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:56.080
<v Speaker 2>since Tiger and he got to six in the world rankings.

0:34:56.120 --> 0:34:58.520
<v Speaker 2>But you know, the big thing in this is from

0:34:58.560 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 2>the Calahan piece is like he kind of started to

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:04.040
<v Speaker 2>clean up his lifestyle and he went to Mark o'meira.

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:07.480
<v Speaker 2>So of course Mark was the first veteran to throw

0:35:07.480 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 2>an arm around Tiger. Was because of my relationship with Tiger,

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:14.120
<v Speaker 2>he says. I'm constantly asked who's the next young player

0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.040
<v Speaker 2>coming along. I've been hard pressed to come up with

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:19.360
<v Speaker 2>a name. You know, Bill Haass is a nice player.

0:35:19.760 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 2>There are a number of good talented kids out there.

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:25.560
<v Speaker 2>But after I played three rounds with Anthony, I picked

0:35:25.640 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 2>up the phone and called Tiger. This kid I've just

0:35:28.880 --> 0:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>finished playing golf with, I said, is the second best

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:36.799
<v Speaker 2>young player I've ever seen come along. Anthony acknowledges I

0:35:36.800 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 2>don't have any swing thoughts. I'm not smart enough to

0:35:39.800 --> 0:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>have a lot of swing thoughts.

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:43.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, there was like a famous there was

0:35:43.520 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 3>a famous moment where he's at a clinic or something

0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 3>with Tiger, and I think Tiger was like talking through

0:35:49.239 --> 0:35:51.720
<v Speaker 3>the fifty things that go into a good golf swing,

0:35:52.239 --> 0:35:54.160
<v Speaker 3>and then they turned to Ak and it was like

0:35:54.280 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 3>literally kind of like the Tin Cup moment. Where he's

0:35:57.040 --> 0:35:58.839
<v Speaker 3>like grip it or rip it, you know, after the

0:35:59.080 --> 0:36:02.040
<v Speaker 3>long point he renee Russo it's like that was the

0:36:02.040 --> 0:36:04.200
<v Speaker 3>way AK kind of thought about the golf game was.

0:36:04.680 --> 0:36:07.120
<v Speaker 3>You know what's interesting, Joseph was, I feel like Anthony

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:10.200
<v Speaker 3>Kim was extremely ahead of his time in the way

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 3>he played golf. Hit it as far as he could

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 3>hit it, hit drive all over the place, and he

0:36:14.800 --> 0:36:17.000
<v Speaker 3>never shied away from a flagstick. Obviously that was a

0:36:17.040 --> 0:36:20.080
<v Speaker 3>big part of some of his success was there was

0:36:20.160 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 3>no fear in the game. And when you hear about

0:36:22.040 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 3>those types of players, Phil talked a lot about it

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:26.760
<v Speaker 3>with Ak when he was asked about it, like Phil

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.600
<v Speaker 3>was like, this, dude is not scared of any flag.

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.279
<v Speaker 3>And that's coming from Phil Mickelson, who for twenty five

0:36:32.360 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 3>years was never scared of a flag.

0:36:33.600 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 4>You know, well, it's interesting you say that because I

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:38.200
<v Speaker 4>have I agreed to an extent, and then there's some

0:36:38.920 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 4>ways in which I disagree. Don't have his detailed of

0:36:42.280 --> 0:36:45.000
<v Speaker 4>data going back then, but one thing I noticed, some

0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:49.359
<v Speaker 4>of the unbelievable volatility obviously in his life but also

0:36:49.480 --> 0:36:53.120
<v Speaker 4>on his scorecards. To me, it does probably scream of

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 4>somebody who was ahead of his time with some of

0:36:55.000 --> 0:36:57.680
<v Speaker 4>the speed and some of the distance, but with the

0:36:57.760 --> 0:37:01.440
<v Speaker 4>not being scared of flagsticks. I would guess there were

0:37:01.520 --> 0:37:04.840
<v Speaker 4>a lot of over aggressive decisions. I see like double

0:37:04.880 --> 0:37:10.280
<v Speaker 4>bogies on par five's like some big numbers, tons of birdies.

0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:14.840
<v Speaker 4>So I would probably say from like a course management perspective,

0:37:14.880 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 4>he was probably behind on some of the conservatism with

0:37:18.560 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 4>his approach shots, but agree with the speed and the

0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.400
<v Speaker 4>aggression off of the tea. But it clearly looks to

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:27.080
<v Speaker 4>me like somebody that could have benefited from some better

0:37:27.200 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 4>encourse decision making, which seems to be kind of go

0:37:30.360 --> 0:37:33.240
<v Speaker 4>along with the general theme of having I think.

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 2>The times though the times like course strategy and decision

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:40.480
<v Speaker 2>making like this was part of development of a tour

0:37:40.560 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 2>pro like now for sure with the systems like the

0:37:44.160 --> 0:37:46.480
<v Speaker 2>shot link data. This was pre shot link data. You

0:37:46.520 --> 0:37:51.240
<v Speaker 2>didn't understand like it was like people's peaks were late twenties,

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:55.600
<v Speaker 2>early thirties, because that's when you like start to naturally

0:37:55.760 --> 0:37:59.640
<v Speaker 2>figure out not to aim at flags, Like I like

0:37:59.719 --> 0:38:02.400
<v Speaker 2>have this belief you figured that out as a golfer,

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:06.280
<v Speaker 2>but you know, now kids are figuring it out because

0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:08.880
<v Speaker 2>they're being taught that at high school levels.

0:38:09.120 --> 0:38:09.960
<v Speaker 5>Right, it's andy.

0:38:10.000 --> 0:38:11.480
<v Speaker 3>It's also a skill. I mean, I think it's a

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:14.440
<v Speaker 3>skill to hit away from flags. I think aggressive players,

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:17.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, in human nature, see a flag and even

0:38:17.800 --> 0:38:20.000
<v Speaker 3>if they're aiming away at it, in their mind the

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:21.600
<v Speaker 3>back of their head, they're thinking, you know, if the

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.160
<v Speaker 3>pins on the left side and there's water left and

0:38:24.200 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 3>they're thinking of themselves, am thirty feet right, the aggressive

0:38:27.360 --> 0:38:30.080
<v Speaker 3>mindset still wants to pull that shot right. And so

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.640
<v Speaker 3>that's actually a skill set to not in a way

0:38:32.920 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 3>kind of blank the flag out from your brain. And

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:36.440
<v Speaker 3>I think it's one of those things that if Ak

0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 3>had played another six seven years consistently, he probably would

0:38:40.120 --> 0:38:41.480
<v Speaker 3>have got a lot more comfortable.

0:38:41.080 --> 0:38:41.440
<v Speaker 5>With doing that.

0:38:41.480 --> 0:38:43.520
<v Speaker 3>You know, Like Tiger was one of the great players

0:38:43.520 --> 0:38:46.799
<v Speaker 3>ever at conservative great shots, right, Yeah, people always think

0:38:46.800 --> 0:38:49.560
<v Speaker 3>about Tiger as this dudeh would knock down flag sticks.

0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:51.759
<v Speaker 3>Tiger was unbelievable at aim in twenty feet away from

0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:52.759
<v Speaker 3>a flag in hitting it there.

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:55.399
<v Speaker 4>Totally agree Shane, and I think it requires a level

0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.240
<v Speaker 4>of maturity and humility to aim away from a flag

0:38:59.280 --> 0:39:01.200
<v Speaker 4>a little bit. And I was going back through some

0:39:01.280 --> 0:39:03.160
<v Speaker 4>of his scorecards.

0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:05.760
<v Speaker 5>Not a lot of humility in the scorecards.

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:07.600
<v Speaker 4>There's a lot of double bogies and birdies, And I

0:39:07.600 --> 0:39:10.200
<v Speaker 4>think this gets talked about. College coaches allude to this,

0:39:10.280 --> 0:39:12.680
<v Speaker 4>but when they see that upside that players are making

0:39:12.719 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 4>eagles on par fives, and it's easier to clean up

0:39:16.000 --> 0:39:18.120
<v Speaker 4>some of those double bogies and turn them into pars

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.000
<v Speaker 4>than it is to you know, coach, somebody's ceiling when

0:39:21.000 --> 0:39:23.640
<v Speaker 4>they're making those eagles. So I think Anthony kim it

0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 4>kind of screams of that type of profile. So that

0:39:27.000 --> 0:39:28.759
<v Speaker 4>and again lines up with his personality.

0:39:29.239 --> 0:39:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's I don't know, it's interesting to think

0:39:32.960 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>about him as in a different era. I think, like

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:40.880
<v Speaker 2>we see this with almost all professional athletes two thousand

0:39:40.920 --> 0:39:44.960
<v Speaker 2>and eight, Like give you compared to NBA players, Like

0:39:45.080 --> 0:39:48.160
<v Speaker 2>NBA players today are so much more mature, Like they're

0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:51.319
<v Speaker 2>so much more ready to handle, you know, being a

0:39:51.320 --> 0:39:54.279
<v Speaker 2>professional athlete. And across the board in all sports, we've

0:39:54.280 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 2>seen like the maturity and the professionalism of athletes get

0:39:59.120 --> 0:40:02.319
<v Speaker 2>so much higher, right, Like there are just and I

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:04.759
<v Speaker 2>think like with golfers, it's the same thing, like we

0:40:04.840 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 2>see like look at Ludwig Obert, right just comes right on,

0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 2>He's ready to go like, there's just so much more

0:40:12.280 --> 0:40:18.359
<v Speaker 2>information and help to make these transitions than there there was,

0:40:18.920 --> 0:40:21.280
<v Speaker 2>you know in at this time, right.

0:40:21.400 --> 0:40:23.319
<v Speaker 3>And he can I throw something at you that I'm

0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:26.919
<v Speaker 3>almost positive Joseph's not gonna remember. And I definitely didn't

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 3>remember until about forty five minutes ago.

0:40:30.719 --> 0:40:33.360
<v Speaker 5>Do you remember a show called Shaq Versus? Do you

0:40:33.360 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 5>remember this at all?

0:40:34.280 --> 0:40:37.200
<v Speaker 2>Yes, you do, vague very vaguely.

0:40:37.520 --> 0:40:41.880
<v Speaker 3>Shack Versus was a show that Shack put on with

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:46.880
<v Speaker 3>ABC where he would battle other athletes at their own sports.

0:40:47.200 --> 0:40:50.320
<v Speaker 3>This was Shack's goal was to say, I'm the best

0:40:50.360 --> 0:40:53.200
<v Speaker 3>athlete in the world, okay, and he would like he

0:40:53.239 --> 0:40:56.680
<v Speaker 3>threw footballs against Roethlisberger in one of the episodes. Now,

0:40:56.719 --> 0:40:59.360
<v Speaker 3>he was terrible. He would lose every single time, but

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:02.480
<v Speaker 3>he did do it. A match on Shaq Versus. It

0:41:02.560 --> 0:41:07.080
<v Speaker 3>was Shaq and Anthony Kim versus Charles Barkley playing left

0:41:07.120 --> 0:41:10.160
<v Speaker 3>handed because he had such bad yifs that he had

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:12.640
<v Speaker 3>his swing lefty off the tee and his short game

0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:16.680
<v Speaker 3>was righty. He played with Bubba and Ak and Shaq

0:41:16.800 --> 0:41:19.280
<v Speaker 3>want in a playoff hole. Shaq made like a thirty

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.120
<v Speaker 3>foot curler and Ak went up to him to get

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:24.920
<v Speaker 3>all fired up. Shack almost went and jumped in the pod.

0:41:25.000 --> 0:41:27.560
<v Speaker 3>I was watching highlights this morning of it. But like

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.840
<v Speaker 3>this was the celebrity of ak. Was this show where

0:41:31.120 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 3>Shaquille O'Neal, you know, in the in the mid two

0:41:33.080 --> 0:41:36.080
<v Speaker 3>thousands was as big a deal as that existed in sports,

0:41:36.080 --> 0:41:39.359
<v Speaker 3>both physically and just his terms of his presence. He's

0:41:39.360 --> 0:41:41.319
<v Speaker 3>picking Anthony Kim to be his partner on the show.

0:41:41.440 --> 0:41:45.279
<v Speaker 2>So that's in his prime, he is, that's a very

0:41:45.400 --> 0:41:48.240
<v Speaker 2>end of his prime, really right right, he's still playing

0:41:48.239 --> 0:41:51.040
<v Speaker 2>in the NBA into like two thousand and nine. He

0:41:51.120 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 2>had the weird thing I think he was.

0:41:52.719 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 3>I think this was when he was on the Celtics.

0:41:54.120 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 3>By the way I think Jack versus existed was he

0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:57.200
<v Speaker 3>was a Celtics Shack.

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 2>He had the Suns and Celtics Sarah, so weird.

0:42:00.360 --> 0:42:02.680
<v Speaker 3>The Calves Shack. Jersey's got to be the weirdest. But yes,

0:42:02.719 --> 0:42:03.760
<v Speaker 3>I digress.

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Post heaps, Shack is just a weird weird It's kind

0:42:07.440 --> 0:42:11.560
<v Speaker 2>of like, yeah, all right, so a little bit more

0:42:11.600 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 2>on two thousand and eight. It was my best year,

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:17.560
<v Speaker 2>he deadpans. As far as understanding myself anyway, not since

0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>Tiger had any American under twenty five to one twice

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:23.759
<v Speaker 2>on the PGA Tour. Plus Wood says he did it

0:42:23.800 --> 0:42:26.719
<v Speaker 2>on two great golf courses, Quail Hollow and Congressional.

0:42:27.000 --> 0:42:27.759
<v Speaker 5>I knew you'd like that.

0:42:28.120 --> 0:42:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Get granted, granted, you think about modern golf courses in

0:42:31.719 --> 0:42:34.960
<v Speaker 3>professional golf, especially PGA Tour golf, like that's the layout,

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 3>and he's winning on those kind of big boy golf

0:42:37.280 --> 0:42:39.880
<v Speaker 3>courses that you know tend to favor long hitters. So

0:42:39.960 --> 0:42:44.200
<v Speaker 3>I mean, in twenty twenty four, it seems like ak

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:46.640
<v Speaker 3>would have existed in a good place with the way

0:42:46.640 --> 0:42:47.120
<v Speaker 3>golf is.

0:42:47.239 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Right, You want to know who he beat in the Wacovia,

0:42:51.440 --> 0:42:55.279
<v Speaker 2>which was Quail Hollow and Congressional, which was the AT

0:42:55.400 --> 0:42:56.640
<v Speaker 2>and T, which was Tiger's.

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:58.600
<v Speaker 4>I think I've got two thousand and I think what

0:42:58.719 --> 0:43:00.240
<v Speaker 4>Kovia was, Ben Curtis correct.

0:43:00.480 --> 0:43:01.959
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so good?

0:43:02.440 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 2>And then and then at AT and T dusted the

0:43:05.840 --> 0:43:08.000
<v Speaker 2>junk man freddie Yakobsen.

0:43:07.920 --> 0:43:12.600
<v Speaker 5>Oh yeah, captain ball striker. I urge you, Andy.

0:43:12.760 --> 0:43:15.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if you run the shotgun Start account

0:43:15.640 --> 0:43:18.520
<v Speaker 3>or Frida Eg's social account, but they used to give

0:43:18.560 --> 0:43:21.479
<v Speaker 3>out jackets if you won the Wacovia they were these

0:43:21.920 --> 0:43:25.919
<v Speaker 3>they are so blue. I'd say they are like Duke

0:43:26.040 --> 0:43:30.359
<v Speaker 3>blue devil blue jackets. And Ak's winning press conference, He's

0:43:30.400 --> 0:43:34.399
<v Speaker 3>wearing this jacket. It is awful, an awful jacket, and God,

0:43:34.440 --> 0:43:35.800
<v Speaker 3>I hope he still has it in his closet.

0:43:37.280 --> 0:43:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Be a good question if you could ask him if

0:43:39.520 --> 0:43:40.680
<v Speaker 2>he comes back, you know.

0:43:40.760 --> 0:43:42.880
<v Speaker 5>Pres where's the blue jacket? Baby?

0:43:43.360 --> 0:43:44.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:43:44.800 --> 0:43:46.640
<v Speaker 4>Do you have more on two thousand and eight, Andy, Yeah,

0:43:46.640 --> 0:43:47.200
<v Speaker 4>a little.

0:43:47.000 --> 0:43:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Bit more so, he would says he did it on

0:43:49.680 --> 0:43:53.120
<v Speaker 2>two great golf courses. They're not exactly the easiest courses

0:43:53.160 --> 0:43:56.200
<v Speaker 2>on tour, and he handled both of them. He's always

0:43:56.239 --> 0:43:58.600
<v Speaker 2>had the talent. Now he has the experience of winning,

0:43:58.600 --> 0:44:02.680
<v Speaker 2>and that breeds comp confidence. So that year, Kim wins twice.

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.200
<v Speaker 2>He gathered eight top ten to including a second place

0:44:05.200 --> 0:44:07.960
<v Speaker 2>in three third, climbed his high as six in the world,

0:44:08.320 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 2>finished the year six on the money list, and then

0:44:11.320 --> 0:44:14.839
<v Speaker 2>at h at the Ryder Cup, he makes a big

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 2>splash Ryder Cup rookie obviously the famous with him with

0:44:18.239 --> 0:44:21.040
<v Speaker 2>the flag around him. He goes out first in Sunday

0:44:21.120 --> 0:44:27.080
<v Speaker 2>singles and absolutely dust Sergio Garcia, just the American nemesis.

0:44:27.719 --> 0:44:30.239
<v Speaker 2>He beats him. I think five and four in that

0:44:30.440 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 2>in that match what.

0:44:31.239 --> 0:44:33.400
<v Speaker 3>Walks by the way, that's that matches on YouTube. If

0:44:33.440 --> 0:44:34.839
<v Speaker 3>you want to ever want to watch something late at

0:44:34.880 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 3>night and you're missing out on something as football kind

0:44:37.040 --> 0:44:39.200
<v Speaker 3>of wraps up, It's a great watch. I watched it

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 3>this summer, but I don't know if you guys remember this.

0:44:41.520 --> 0:44:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Ak didn't realize the match was over and was walking

0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:45.879
<v Speaker 3>to the next screen and they had to like wave

0:44:45.960 --> 0:44:49.120
<v Speaker 3>them back over. Jose, Maria and Sergio are actually laughing

0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:52.600
<v Speaker 3>as he was literally like pounding pavement to go after me.

0:44:52.760 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 3>I think I made about a ten footer to win

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:56.959
<v Speaker 3>the match and had no idea that he'd won the match.

0:44:56.960 --> 0:44:59.360
<v Speaker 3>But I was diving a little into this Sandy about

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 3>that moment that Ryder Cup, and there was some great

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Zinger stuff on Ak said he was our team leader,

0:45:05.480 --> 0:45:06.840
<v Speaker 3>chip on the shoulder guy, you know a lot of

0:45:06.880 --> 0:45:09.720
<v Speaker 3>that stuff he talked about. But he said he kept saying,

0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:12.320
<v Speaker 3>I want to play Sergio. I want to play Sergio

0:45:12.440 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 3>zing let me play Sergio. I'm gonnahoop his ass for

0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:16.719
<v Speaker 3>you today, Captain, is what he said on the first

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 3>t and Zinger said after the match ended, the first

0:45:20.080 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 3>thing he said to him on the green after they

0:45:22.040 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 3>all shook hands, he said, I told you I was

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:27.080
<v Speaker 3>gonna whoop his ass, like he wanted the best young

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:30.400
<v Speaker 3>European player, and he absolutely waxed the floor with them. So,

0:45:30.719 --> 0:45:33.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, you talk about moments in his career outside

0:45:33.360 --> 0:45:35.759
<v Speaker 3>of the Masters, I'm sure we'll get to eight.

0:45:35.960 --> 0:45:38.560
<v Speaker 5>Was the moment like that was when Anthony Kimberly.

0:45:38.280 --> 0:45:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Arrived, huge, huge moment. This is the pinnacle really of

0:45:42.040 --> 0:45:45.719
<v Speaker 2>his career. This two thousand and eight. I'm just gonna

0:45:45.760 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 2>run through the rest of this here. So two thousand

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:50.400
<v Speaker 2>and nine, the big.

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:52.759
<v Speaker 3>Andy all on one second, Joseph, Joseph, do you have

0:45:52.960 --> 0:45:55.520
<v Speaker 3>eight stats for him? Just like how good he was

0:45:55.560 --> 0:45:57.080
<v Speaker 3>statistically or anything like that.

0:45:57.560 --> 0:45:59.520
<v Speaker 4>Well, so I'll get to a little bit of that,

0:45:59.560 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 4>I guess when when we talk about profiling with current player.

0:46:02.960 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 4>But the only other notes I had on two thousand

0:46:04.680 --> 0:46:07.360
<v Speaker 4>and eight that I thought were interesting yet some of

0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:10.759
<v Speaker 4>the power courses, Quail Hollow Congressional gets his wins. He

0:46:10.760 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 4>also finished runner up at Harbortown And like, that's right,

0:46:14.160 --> 0:46:16.200
<v Speaker 4>not a course that you traditionally think of as being

0:46:16.239 --> 0:46:19.120
<v Speaker 4>a bomber scores. It's not right it's more of a

0:46:19.160 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 4>positional course, good short game, so interesting to see him

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 4>do well there. And then I just thought the Tour

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 4>Championship leader board was pretty funny. At East League in

0:46:26.640 --> 0:46:30.840
<v Speaker 4>two thousand and eight, you had Camilla Viegas beat Sergio

0:46:30.840 --> 0:46:34.640
<v Speaker 4>in a playoff, Phil and Anthony Kim were tied for third,

0:46:34.680 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 4>and then fourth place or fifth place was four shots

0:46:37.920 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 4>behind them. So just like not Anthony Kim's year was

0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.400
<v Speaker 4>really impressive and he didn't just show it in his

0:46:44.480 --> 0:46:46.360
<v Speaker 4>two wins. I mean, he's a solid year throughout.

0:46:46.840 --> 0:46:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Wait, wait, did he start at six under or.

0:46:51.520 --> 0:46:54.040
<v Speaker 4>I believe it was a real tournament back then where

0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:55.480
<v Speaker 4>everyone started at the same score.

0:46:55.880 --> 0:46:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I just wanted to ask that leaderboard. Was that

0:47:00.000 --> 0:47:03.040
<v Speaker 2>actually that great leaderboard? It's not just you know, was

0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:04.480
<v Speaker 2>it just doctor to get that?

0:47:04.800 --> 0:47:09.880
<v Speaker 4>Right now? Okay, answer your question. He was he Anthony

0:47:09.960 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 4>Kim strokes gained like the raw unadjusted for strength to field,

0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:18.920
<v Speaker 4>but he was gaining one point five to five strokes

0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.040
<v Speaker 4>per round. In two thousand and eight, he was third

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:23.760
<v Speaker 4>on tour, So uh elite.

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 2>That's uh yeah, it's something I two thousand and eight,

0:47:29.000 --> 0:47:31.680
<v Speaker 2>that's the year to hold on to, right, so two

0:47:31.719 --> 0:47:34.800
<v Speaker 2>thousand and nine, early two thousand and nine, makes eleven

0:47:34.840 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 2>birdies in the second round of the Master, shoots sixty five.

0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.560
<v Speaker 2>This could be you know, this could be like to

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:44.279
<v Speaker 2>Joseph's point, And maybe some of these birdies were because

0:47:44.320 --> 0:47:47.520
<v Speaker 2>he was firing at every flag. Made eleven, but he

0:47:47.640 --> 0:47:50.040
<v Speaker 2>probably made a lot of bogies. He shot sixty five.

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:52.759
<v Speaker 3>I think he made two bogies in a double, by

0:47:52.800 --> 0:47:53.920
<v Speaker 3>the way, is what he did that day.

0:47:54.120 --> 0:47:55.680
<v Speaker 5>I got a lot of stuff on this round. Do

0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:56.279
<v Speaker 5>you want to hear it?

0:47:56.680 --> 0:47:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yeah, So he finished his third in that Masters.

0:47:59.480 --> 0:48:03.640
<v Speaker 2>He beats an Nick Price's ten birdie record at Augusta, Nashville,

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:05.040
<v Speaker 2>So real quick.

0:48:05.480 --> 0:48:06.080
<v Speaker 5>Who do you do?

0:48:06.120 --> 0:48:08.240
<v Speaker 3>You guys remember who he played with in that round?

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Second round and he made eleven birdies.

0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 4>Sorry, great, he finished He finished third in the twenty

0:48:12.680 --> 0:48:14.239
<v Speaker 4>ten Masters correct correct nine.

0:48:14.280 --> 0:48:15.000
<v Speaker 5>He finished twentieth.

0:48:15.080 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, when when he made the eleven birdies, he shot

0:48:17.120 --> 0:48:19.160
<v Speaker 3>seventy five I think in the opening round, you know,

0:48:19.160 --> 0:48:19.919
<v Speaker 3>he didn't play great.

0:48:19.920 --> 0:48:22.120
<v Speaker 5>Then makes the eleven birdies playing.

0:48:21.880 --> 0:48:25.120
<v Speaker 3>Alongside This is great for your little golf jeopardy class.

0:48:25.440 --> 0:48:31.360
<v Speaker 3>Rio Ishikawa and a very young Rory McElroy. Wow, Rory

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:34.120
<v Speaker 3>up close, got to see the eleven birdies.

0:48:34.160 --> 0:48:34.879
<v Speaker 5>There's a great story.

0:48:34.920 --> 0:48:38.239
<v Speaker 3>I believe it was a to Share article about him

0:48:38.280 --> 0:48:40.480
<v Speaker 3>talking his smiley about this at one point and he said,

0:48:40.480 --> 0:48:42.200
<v Speaker 3>I got to see it up close. It was crazy.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:45.759
<v Speaker 3>Did not birdie two? So doesn't birdie the second hole,

0:48:45.800 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 3>the par five. And maybe the most impressive part about

0:48:49.000 --> 0:48:51.880
<v Speaker 3>this the second round scoring average that day at the

0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:55.919
<v Speaker 3>Masters seventy four eight four, the highest to be all

0:48:55.960 --> 0:49:00.000
<v Speaker 3>week seventeen players in the field of ninety six broke Paul.

0:49:00.520 --> 0:49:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Three of those rounds were under seventy and he shoots

0:49:04.200 --> 0:49:12.000
<v Speaker 3>He shoots sixty five with eleven birdies. He birdied one, three, five, six, seven, eight, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:14.719
<v Speaker 3>and made a twelve foot on eighteen to break Nick

0:49:14.800 --> 0:49:15.640
<v Speaker 3>Price's record.

0:49:16.239 --> 0:49:18.320
<v Speaker 5>Crazy crazy stuff.

0:49:18.480 --> 0:49:20.200
<v Speaker 3>It's actually like one of the great rounds that could

0:49:20.239 --> 0:49:22.920
<v Speaker 3>also be considered a psycho scorecard, just with the double

0:49:22.960 --> 0:49:24.040
<v Speaker 3>and the two bogies in there.

0:49:24.719 --> 0:49:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Just unbelievable, unbelievable to make eleven birdies, Like I wonder

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:31.319
<v Speaker 2>how many birdies I wish I would have done this.

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:38.479
<v Speaker 2>He made en Root to a T twenty tournament, Like, but.

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:40.000
<v Speaker 4>That's what I'm saying, like that's what all of his

0:49:40.040 --> 0:49:42.480
<v Speaker 4>scorecards look like. The Tour Championship in two thousand and eight,

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:44.160
<v Speaker 4>he has a sixty four and a seventy two in

0:49:44.200 --> 0:49:46.840
<v Speaker 4>that tournament, Like that's what a lot of his results

0:49:46.880 --> 0:49:48.480
<v Speaker 4>look like. It's on brand.

0:49:50.520 --> 0:49:53.440
<v Speaker 2>So that year also he goes three and one at

0:49:53.480 --> 0:49:59.040
<v Speaker 2>the President's Cup, the famous the famous match. Probably I

0:49:59.080 --> 0:50:03.759
<v Speaker 2>think that probably the most enduring ak memory for me

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:07.560
<v Speaker 2>is this run in with Robert allenby none other than

0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 2>Robert Allen B, everybody's favorite Australian golf legend, stayed out

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:18.000
<v Speaker 2>till four, beat him what he allegedly allegedly stayed out

0:50:18.080 --> 0:50:22.120
<v Speaker 2>till four and was deemed to be by Allen B sideways,

0:50:22.640 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 2>And I.

0:50:22.920 --> 0:50:24.719
<v Speaker 3>Think he came out and he said he shot did

0:50:24.719 --> 0:50:27.279
<v Speaker 3>you say he shot sixty six and smoked me five

0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:29.760
<v Speaker 3>and three or something. I mean it was some crazy

0:50:29.840 --> 0:50:31.160
<v Speaker 3>round of golf that he put together.

0:50:31.840 --> 0:50:35.840
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, just just laid laid the wood on him, just

0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:39.839
<v Speaker 6>just smoked Allen B. And then, like to make the

0:50:39.880 --> 0:50:42.839
<v Speaker 6>best part of this whole story is that they then

0:50:42.960 --> 0:50:46.240
<v Speaker 6>met again in the World Match Play like a month later,

0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:47.719
<v Speaker 6>and he beat Allen B.

0:50:47.840 --> 0:50:50.560
<v Speaker 2>He drubbed him again. He just smoked him again in

0:50:50.600 --> 0:50:53.600
<v Speaker 2>the World match play, and like Allen B at this

0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.520
<v Speaker 2>time is like a top ten player. Like this is

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:00.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody thinks about, like Allen B when he's getting kicked

0:51:00.120 --> 0:51:04.920
<v Speaker 2>out of you know, Quad City Casinos, and the obviously

0:51:05.040 --> 0:51:10.120
<v Speaker 2>the the incident at the Sony, the alleged kidnapping, but

0:51:10.560 --> 0:51:14.920
<v Speaker 2>that might have been just Allen B sideways at four am.

0:51:15.120 --> 0:51:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Everybody thinks about that stage of ALLENB was like a

0:51:17.960 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 2>certified like top top tier ball striker for a number

0:51:22.440 --> 0:51:25.080
<v Speaker 2>of years. Like you can look go look at like

0:51:25.160 --> 0:51:28.040
<v Speaker 2>ball striking stats from the mid two thousands and it

0:51:28.160 --> 0:51:30.920
<v Speaker 2>is just like Robert Allenby, Robert ALLENB, Robert allen B,

0:51:31.120 --> 0:51:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Robert ALLENB. Every year, so impressive wins especially, you know,

0:51:36.239 --> 0:51:40.799
<v Speaker 2>given the circumstances. So final tour win comes twenty ten,

0:51:41.280 --> 0:51:43.840
<v Speaker 2>the Houston Open. This is right before the Masters that

0:51:43.880 --> 0:51:47.640
<v Speaker 2>he finished finished third in. So he wins the Houston Open.

0:51:48.120 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 2>He becomes the fifth player in thirty years to have

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:54.400
<v Speaker 2>won three times on the PGA Tour before the age

0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:59.279
<v Speaker 2>of twenty five, the others being Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson,

0:52:00.040 --> 0:52:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Sergio Garcia and Adam Scott Bona FIDE Hall of Fame list.

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.759
<v Speaker 3>And Andy that was around the time, and you know

0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:12.799
<v Speaker 3>you mentioned that was like a refocus for him when

0:52:12.840 --> 0:52:15.040
<v Speaker 3>he turned pro and went a little wild. There was

0:52:15.080 --> 0:52:17.879
<v Speaker 3>also a refocus going into twenty ten. He apparently went

0:52:17.880 --> 0:52:20.400
<v Speaker 3>to Vegas with his caddy and his coach and some

0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:24.040
<v Speaker 3>buddies and they had this whole recommitment to golf and

0:52:24.120 --> 0:52:26.600
<v Speaker 3>to practicing and to get into better shape. And in

0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:29.279
<v Speaker 3>the ship Nut article, he said Ak wanted to buy

0:52:29.320 --> 0:52:31.880
<v Speaker 3>I think it was like a Ferrari and a Porsche,

0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 3>but he said he couldn't do it because he had

0:52:33.680 --> 0:52:35.799
<v Speaker 3>to be able to see sit four people in the

0:52:35.840 --> 0:52:38.200
<v Speaker 3>car so they could all go do stuff together, like

0:52:38.320 --> 0:52:40.440
<v Speaker 3>refocusing on golf. So they said he had to get

0:52:40.440 --> 0:52:42.959
<v Speaker 3>a car that had four seats in it. But twenty ten,

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:46.479
<v Speaker 3>going into that season was when Ak kind of said

0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:49.479
<v Speaker 3>enough is enough. Let's let's find a little bit more,

0:52:49.680 --> 0:52:51.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, let's focus a little bit more on what

0:52:51.680 --> 0:52:54.200
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to do, you know, for a career. And

0:52:54.280 --> 0:52:55.919
<v Speaker 3>you saw it a lot, and especially in his early

0:52:56.000 --> 0:52:57.080
<v Speaker 3>early season play there.

0:52:59.080 --> 0:53:02.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he finished third, then two, and then also

0:53:04.600 --> 0:53:06.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, you know who is in the final group

0:53:06.800 --> 0:53:11.280
<v Speaker 2>of the twenty ten Quail Hollow. Who was it Rory

0:53:11.320 --> 0:53:12.120
<v Speaker 2>and Ak?

0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:13.640
<v Speaker 5>Final group?

0:53:14.640 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was first tour one for Rory.

0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:19.280
<v Speaker 5>That's when he shot sixty one or whatever.

0:53:19.880 --> 0:53:22.040
<v Speaker 2>It might not have been final group, but final round.

0:53:22.080 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 2>They were paired together.

0:53:23.280 --> 0:53:26.000
<v Speaker 4>Okay, Anthony Can finished what tied for seventh in that event.

0:53:25.800 --> 0:53:28.360
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, but probably just final round.

0:53:28.680 --> 0:53:30.960
<v Speaker 3>And by the way, just just one note on twenty

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.800
<v Speaker 3>ten Masters, I know you mentioned him finished third shot

0:53:33.840 --> 0:53:36.520
<v Speaker 3>sixty five, final round there went on a run on

0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:39.520
<v Speaker 3>the back where he birdied thirteen, BIRDI fourteen eagles fifteen,

0:53:39.840 --> 0:53:42.799
<v Speaker 3>birdied sixteen and had a real chance there by the way,

0:53:43.040 --> 0:53:45.000
<v Speaker 3>at that point, I think at the time when he

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 3>made that eagle, he was a shot off the lead.

0:53:46.680 --> 0:53:48.719
<v Speaker 3>So there was real buzz if you go back and

0:53:48.719 --> 0:53:51.960
<v Speaker 3>watch that final round, there was real buzz around you know,

0:53:52.000 --> 0:53:54.319
<v Speaker 3>the second nine there at the Masters that Ak might

0:53:54.360 --> 0:53:55.560
<v Speaker 3>actually get this thing done.

0:53:55.719 --> 0:54:00.279
<v Speaker 2>So after that, effectively, that's when the injury started hit.

0:54:00.840 --> 0:54:03.919
<v Speaker 2>That's when the thumb injury. And it was really from

0:54:03.960 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 2>there like kind of a downward kind of spiral at

0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:11.640
<v Speaker 2>that point, and really we didn't see it wasn't really

0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:13.640
<v Speaker 2>a downward spiral. It just was kind of over.

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:16.640
<v Speaker 4>I think there's a coincides with a pretty big drop

0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:20.800
<v Speaker 4>in his driving distance, which you can imagine. And I

0:54:20.800 --> 0:54:23.840
<v Speaker 4>don't know exactly when the driver yips really start, but

0:54:23.840 --> 0:54:26.640
<v Speaker 4>I feel like that's become another trademark of Anthony Kim's career,

0:54:26.680 --> 0:54:28.640
<v Speaker 4>is kind of getting the driver yips towards the end

0:54:28.640 --> 0:54:32.000
<v Speaker 4>of his competitive career. Do you remember when that officially started?

0:54:32.000 --> 0:54:34.160
<v Speaker 4>I mean the driving numbers start to get bad around

0:54:34.200 --> 0:54:35.320
<v Speaker 4>mid twenty ten.

0:54:35.760 --> 0:54:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that was the thumb injury, right, he

0:54:38.400 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 2>talked about how he couldn't practice. So twenty twelve shipnuk

0:54:42.320 --> 0:54:47.279
<v Speaker 2>SI article that may Kim vented his frustration to Doug

0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:50.040
<v Speaker 2>Ferguson of the Associated Press, I hear it all the

0:54:50.040 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 2>time across the locker room doors. I hear people what's

0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:54.880
<v Speaker 2>going on with him. I hear a little comments he

0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:57.240
<v Speaker 2>doesn't care about golf. Everyone has a reason to explain

0:54:57.320 --> 0:55:00.560
<v Speaker 2>my struggle struggles. Well, no one knows the reason but me.

0:55:00.880 --> 0:55:03.240
<v Speaker 2>I need to hit balls to practice, but I'm hurting

0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:10.360
<v Speaker 2>myself by hitting more balls, so you can't practice, right, I.

0:55:10.360 --> 0:55:12.520
<v Speaker 3>Mean, I know it's way lesser. I know it's a

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:14.880
<v Speaker 3>way lesser version of the guy I'm going to compare

0:55:14.960 --> 0:55:17.120
<v Speaker 3>him to, but God, there's a lot of comps to

0:55:17.200 --> 0:55:20.600
<v Speaker 3>Tiger with this guy. I mean, battling off the core stuff,

0:55:20.760 --> 0:55:22.840
<v Speaker 3>yet still able to focus on the golf course and

0:55:22.840 --> 0:55:25.200
<v Speaker 3>play elite level golf, hit it a lot longer than

0:55:25.200 --> 0:55:27.360
<v Speaker 3>a lot of people could lean on the driver, and

0:55:27.440 --> 0:55:30.000
<v Speaker 3>then you know, battle the injuries where he couldn't practice

0:55:30.000 --> 0:55:32.880
<v Speaker 3>the amount he wanted to practice to continue to improve,

0:55:32.960 --> 0:55:35.960
<v Speaker 3>get better and find a way to be competitive. And

0:55:36.239 --> 0:55:38.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, Andy, I know we mentioned Rory a couple times,

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.400
<v Speaker 3>but it was literally as Ak was kind of peeking

0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:44.719
<v Speaker 3>and then starting to fall off, was the moment that

0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:47.719
<v Speaker 3>Rory was becoming Rory McElroy. And it was almost like

0:55:47.840 --> 0:55:51.640
<v Speaker 3>he just missed that youthfulness of Sergio because he was

0:55:51.680 --> 0:55:54.000
<v Speaker 3>five years younger than Sergio, you know, so he was

0:55:54.000 --> 0:55:57.280
<v Speaker 3>playing Sergio as the young European, yet he just missed

0:55:57.280 --> 0:55:59.719
<v Speaker 3>out on the true young European who was Rory at

0:55:59.719 --> 0:56:01.719
<v Speaker 3>the time. So it was almost like he was just

0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:05.439
<v Speaker 3>in this kind of very very small bubble between that

0:56:05.800 --> 0:56:09.680
<v Speaker 3>Tiger Phil VJ. Sergio burst out of the scene, and

0:56:09.719 --> 0:56:11.759
<v Speaker 3>then that new crop of guys like Jordan. I mean,

0:56:11.800 --> 0:56:13.680
<v Speaker 3>I think he got his PJ Torquard oft of Q

0:56:13.800 --> 0:56:16.040
<v Speaker 3>School at Jason Day. I think Jason Day got his

0:56:16.120 --> 0:56:18.080
<v Speaker 3>card the same year or just missed out the same

0:56:18.160 --> 0:56:20.359
<v Speaker 3>year that Ak got through Q School, So that gives

0:56:20.360 --> 0:56:22.040
<v Speaker 3>you a good idea of the age of the players

0:56:22.080 --> 0:56:22.879
<v Speaker 3>he was battling with.

0:56:24.120 --> 0:56:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's I mean, he was the precursor really to

0:56:27.880 --> 0:56:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Rory and Ricky. He was like, I think we we

0:56:31.840 --> 0:56:35.479
<v Speaker 2>talk about youth on tour and it was him, Jason Day,

0:56:36.560 --> 0:56:40.160
<v Speaker 2>Rory and Ricky were that new crop, and he was

0:56:40.320 --> 0:56:44.040
<v Speaker 2>right at the forefront. He was the the that young talent,

0:56:44.120 --> 0:56:48.880
<v Speaker 2>that young Tiger Woods inspired talent really is Anthony Kim

0:56:49.239 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 2>is right at the front line of it. And that's

0:56:52.040 --> 0:56:54.880
<v Speaker 2>probably like what should be as enduring legacy is like

0:56:54.920 --> 0:56:58.640
<v Speaker 2>he was the first of that youth wave, Right, It's

0:56:58.680 --> 0:57:00.880
<v Speaker 2>like the it's like the high school kids in the

0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:02.680
<v Speaker 2>NBA draft a little bit, right.

0:57:02.920 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's that one generation of those guys that we're

0:57:05.080 --> 0:57:07.520
<v Speaker 3>all going to remember and think about, the Garnett's, the Kobe's.

0:57:07.520 --> 0:57:09.440
<v Speaker 3>This guy can't play. What is Kobe doing coming out

0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:11.680
<v Speaker 3>of the draft early? And obviously he kind of battle

0:57:11.800 --> 0:57:13.400
<v Speaker 3>himself and it worked out. And I feel like for

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.240
<v Speaker 3>Ak to your point in that story about wanting to

0:57:16.240 --> 0:57:18.120
<v Speaker 3>spend one year at Oklahoma and his mom wanted him

0:57:18.120 --> 0:57:19.840
<v Speaker 3>to stay a little bit longer. I mean, this was

0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:21.680
<v Speaker 3>a guy that kind of saw the future ahead of

0:57:22.280 --> 0:57:24.280
<v Speaker 3>everybody else, and he knew how talented he was. And

0:57:24.320 --> 0:57:26.600
<v Speaker 3>it just feels like Joseph As You're diving into the

0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 3>numbers and they're so small, right, you don't have a

0:57:29.080 --> 0:57:30.960
<v Speaker 3>lot to go on, and they're not nearly as in

0:57:31.000 --> 0:57:33.960
<v Speaker 3>depth as twenty twenty four data. But looking at who

0:57:34.000 --> 0:57:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Ak was on the golf course, I pulled up his

0:57:35.920 --> 0:57:36.760
<v Speaker 3>stuff this morning.

0:57:36.920 --> 0:57:37.919
<v Speaker 5>I mean, this.

0:57:37.880 --> 0:57:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Dude's like top five, not just top ten, He's like

0:57:41.080 --> 0:57:44.320
<v Speaker 3>top five in these important categories in his prime, you know,

0:57:44.440 --> 0:57:45.320
<v Speaker 3>kind of across the board.

0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:46.240
<v Speaker 5>It's pretty impressive.

0:57:46.720 --> 0:57:48.880
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. Well, I don't know, Andy, if you have much

0:57:48.880 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 4>more that you want to wrap up.

0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:52.360
<v Speaker 2>I just have a little bit of aout, like the

0:57:52.920 --> 0:57:59.200
<v Speaker 2>space from from twenty twelve till now, which is like injuries,

0:57:59.280 --> 0:58:05.080
<v Speaker 2>it's just been right, injuries and then obviously the insurance policy.

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:09.080
<v Speaker 2>So like the main reason that is believe they never

0:58:09.120 --> 0:58:11.400
<v Speaker 2>made a return was he took out an insurance policy

0:58:11.440 --> 0:58:15.920
<v Speaker 2>against injury where he was paying pretty significant amount for

0:58:16.000 --> 0:58:20.200
<v Speaker 2>this premium, it's rumored to be upwards of ten. I

0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:23.280
<v Speaker 2>think like people are saying ten now, but it was

0:58:23.320 --> 0:58:26.680
<v Speaker 2>believed to be more like twenty. I think from what

0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:28.560
<v Speaker 2>I read like in the moment, I don't know what

0:58:28.640 --> 0:58:31.080
<v Speaker 2>it ends up being. Where then he started to receive

0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:34.600
<v Speaker 2>monthly payments from this insurance policy and if he returned

0:58:34.600 --> 0:58:37.240
<v Speaker 2>to professional golf, then the insurance policy is void. He

0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:40.280
<v Speaker 2>has to pay back the amount. So that's been one

0:58:40.320 --> 0:58:42.320
<v Speaker 2>thing that's kept him out of this and what is

0:58:42.360 --> 0:58:45.760
<v Speaker 2>attractive with live But like, let's go so twenty twelve

0:58:45.920 --> 0:58:49.840
<v Speaker 2>ship Nut article. How's Kim spending his time these days?

0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:52.760
<v Speaker 2>Lots of Sports Center, says his friend, Lots of Golf channel.

0:58:53.080 --> 0:58:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Kim's relentless relentlessness is palpable. He still has a passion,

0:58:57.560 --> 0:59:00.840
<v Speaker 2>says the friend. He always is talking about golf. He

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:02.840
<v Speaker 2>wants to be out there. He misses it. In fact,

0:59:02.920 --> 0:59:05.560
<v Speaker 2>on Thursday through Sunday, Kim is usually in front of

0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:09.120
<v Speaker 2>a TV monitoring tour telecast. It's kind of sad to see,

0:59:09.160 --> 0:59:11.560
<v Speaker 2>says the friend. Sometimes I want to grab him, shake

0:59:11.640 --> 0:59:13.520
<v Speaker 2>him and yell, what the hell are you doing? You're

0:59:13.560 --> 0:59:16.160
<v Speaker 2>Anthony Kim, Get off the damn couch and get out

0:59:16.160 --> 0:59:19.560
<v Speaker 2>there and find your game. That's an interesting quote with

0:59:19.600 --> 0:59:24.120
<v Speaker 2>the find your game, right, because then in twenty fifteen

0:59:24.200 --> 0:59:28.680
<v Speaker 2>there's a Doug Ferguson article AP and I think there

0:59:28.720 --> 0:59:33.320
<v Speaker 2>are the Palm Desert Report Golf reporter help with this

0:59:33.400 --> 0:59:37.680
<v Speaker 2>a little bit too. Anthony Kim got interviewed. I didn't actually,

0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:41.320
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have a recollection of this article either. Okay,

0:59:41.440 --> 0:59:43.160
<v Speaker 2>so he said, I'm going to step away from the

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:45.120
<v Speaker 2>game for a little while and get my body pieced

0:59:45.160 --> 0:59:49.240
<v Speaker 2>together instead of going from an Achilles' injury to try

0:59:49.680 --> 0:59:52.080
<v Speaker 2>and to try to go one eighty miles per hour

0:59:52.200 --> 0:59:55.240
<v Speaker 2>and not fixing the problem. I've got so much ground

0:59:55.360 --> 0:59:59.919
<v Speaker 2>to make up from injuries rotator, cuff, labram, spinal few.

1:00:00.640 --> 1:00:04.600
<v Speaker 2>I did not know that hand injury. I've had six

1:00:04.720 --> 1:00:08.200
<v Speaker 2>or seven surgeries the last three and a half years.

1:00:08.440 --> 1:00:12.040
<v Speaker 2>I had no recollection of this article or the spinal

1:00:12.040 --> 1:00:15.880
<v Speaker 2>fusion like that's I mean, that's obviously we know everybody

1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:20.200
<v Speaker 2>knows spinal fusion because of Tiger, But like if he

1:00:20.240 --> 1:00:23.520
<v Speaker 2>had a spinal fusion, I mean that that's a whole

1:00:23.600 --> 1:00:26.080
<v Speaker 2>new thing to discuss with like the prospects of him

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<v Speaker 2>coming back right. He said he's getting monthly payments from

1:00:30.840 --> 1:00:33.280
<v Speaker 2>insurance policy took out five years ago in case he

1:00:33.360 --> 1:00:36.400
<v Speaker 2>was injured, but he denied speculation that the policy was

1:00:36.440 --> 1:00:39.440
<v Speaker 2>a factor that it was keeping him from returning to

1:00:39.480 --> 1:00:42.880
<v Speaker 2>the PGA tour. I paid well into the mid six

1:00:42.920 --> 1:00:45.840
<v Speaker 2>figures for this policy, said they wouldn't have paid me

1:00:45.960 --> 1:00:48.680
<v Speaker 2>every month had I had not been to the doctor

1:00:48.800 --> 1:00:51.440
<v Speaker 2>showing them all my X rays, doing all the treatment,

1:00:51.480 --> 1:00:55.200
<v Speaker 2>the acupuncture twice a day for physical therapy. He also

1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:59.240
<v Speaker 2>explained his abrupt departure from Quail Hollow after shooting seventy four.

1:00:59.600 --> 1:01:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Back in to twenty twelve. Kim said he ignored his

1:01:02.920 --> 1:01:05.919
<v Speaker 2>summons for drug testing when he walked to the parking lot,

1:01:06.240 --> 1:01:08.680
<v Speaker 2>though he eventually was tested, so he got a bad

1:01:08.760 --> 1:01:10.720
<v Speaker 2>rap because people said he was trying to duck out

1:01:10.760 --> 1:01:14.000
<v Speaker 2>from a drug test. I was mad about how I played.

1:01:14.040 --> 1:01:16.800
<v Speaker 2>I injured myself again. I ended up coming back and

1:01:16.840 --> 1:01:19.880
<v Speaker 2>taking the test. He said. I've never tested positive for

1:01:19.920 --> 1:01:22.200
<v Speaker 2>anything since I've been on the PGA tour whenever the

1:01:22.280 --> 1:01:26.000
<v Speaker 2>drug testing started. Never, and they tested me more than anyone.

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<v Speaker 2>These rumors tainted my reputation and I didn't have a

1:01:30.640 --> 1:01:33.320
<v Speaker 2>great one to begin with. Kim had no idea he

1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:35.680
<v Speaker 2>would be gone this long. He played golf with Phil

1:01:35.720 --> 1:01:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Mickelson at Madison Club in the California Desert. He rented

1:01:38.760 --> 1:01:41.160
<v Speaker 2>a house in San Diego to prepare for the twenty

1:01:41.200 --> 1:01:43.840
<v Speaker 2>thirteen season. He said he was up at five am

1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:47.440
<v Speaker 2>every day to train when his achilles achilles tendon popped.

1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Once he recovered from the leg, he had a herniated disk,

1:01:51.360 --> 1:01:54.439
<v Speaker 2>and the injuries piled up. Golf moved on without him.

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<v Speaker 2>He has a major medical exemption he can use if

1:01:57.040 --> 1:02:00.480
<v Speaker 2>he ever returns. Kim would have to earn one hundred

1:02:00.480 --> 1:02:03.640
<v Speaker 2>and thirteen thousand and sixteen events to keep his car.

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<v Speaker 2>And then last thing Chris got her up was on

1:02:06.480 --> 1:02:09.320
<v Speaker 2>the subpar Pod. You know who is actually like best

1:02:09.320 --> 1:02:13.520
<v Speaker 2>friends with Ak His closest friend Kasey Witberg, right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>that and Colt Nohosed.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah yeah, yeah, Colt was close with him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he's the host of the subbar Pod. Apparently

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<v Speaker 2>like he kind of like ghosted Colt. I saw that

1:02:22.440 --> 1:02:25.600
<v Speaker 2>in the Shipnuk article where he was you know, Colt

1:02:25.680 --> 1:02:27.520
<v Speaker 2>was like, I haven't really talked to him since he

1:02:27.600 --> 1:02:30.320
<v Speaker 2>left his I haven't seen him, and they were apparently

1:02:30.400 --> 1:02:32.520
<v Speaker 2>like the best friends. So it'd be interesting to hear

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<v Speaker 2>Colt talk about that if if they ever, if they

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<v Speaker 2>kicked to it on like the broadcast or something, or

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<v Speaker 2>on the subpart pod which got Chris got her up

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<v Speaker 2>Oklahoma legend, who's a rookie on the PGA Tour. The

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<v Speaker 2>one thing got her up did reveal is that, according

1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:50.800
<v Speaker 2>to his coach, Ak now thirty seven still has some

1:02:50.960 --> 1:02:54.479
<v Speaker 2>serious game. He said, even to this day, when Kim

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<v Speaker 2>comes up and hits balls, it's almost sad because he

1:02:58.280 --> 1:03:01.320
<v Speaker 2>still has He's still so good good and no one

1:03:01.600 --> 1:03:04.080
<v Speaker 2>is able to see it. But he said Kim was

1:03:04.120 --> 1:03:07.920
<v Speaker 2>also a freak of nature. He was so good. So

1:03:07.960 --> 1:03:11.200
<v Speaker 2>it's interesting. Maybe he's been in Norman hitting balls like

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<v Speaker 2>and I bet they have like you know, like those

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<v Speaker 2>college programs have these tests, like they know they measure

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<v Speaker 2>against all this stuff. I'd be curious if Hibbel, the

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<v Speaker 2>coach at Texas, has like some fairly recent AK numbers,

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<v Speaker 2>like how he compares to some of his players, some

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<v Speaker 2>tour players. So that's it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, i'd heard so one of the one of my

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<v Speaker 3>stories that i'd heard. You know, I grew up in

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<v Speaker 3>East Texas. Still have somebodies that live in the Dallas

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<v Speaker 3>area and one of my favorite Ak rumored stories. Obviously

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<v Speaker 3>this is coming from friends that know people, but I

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<v Speaker 3>think it was about five or six years ago. And

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<v Speaker 3>as the story goes, Ak was at a bar with

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<v Speaker 3>some buddies and a little bit like in the scene

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<v Speaker 3>in Nodding Hill, you know when he's out to dinner

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<v Speaker 3>with Julie Roberts and the table next to it's talking

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<v Speaker 3>about Julia Roberts character and she goes over. Apparently there

1:04:03.280 --> 1:04:06.880
<v Speaker 3>was some guys sitting near Ak talking about Anthony Kim,

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<v Speaker 3>the legend that is Anthony Kim, and much like in

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<v Speaker 3>the Notting Hill movie, they started to talk about all

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<v Speaker 3>the reasons he didn't play golf, and I guess it

1:04:14.400 --> 1:04:17.520
<v Speaker 3>started to piss Ak off. And he'd spent apparently spent

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<v Speaker 3>the next month like eight nine hours a day on

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<v Speaker 3>the golf course practicing, and he was going to come

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<v Speaker 3>back and make a return, and his friends basically said,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna have to make you know, thirty million dollars

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<v Speaker 3>on the tour to make up for what you've taken

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<v Speaker 3>from this insurance policy. His friends being kind of the

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<v Speaker 3>sounding board, if you will, to make sure he didn't

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<v Speaker 3>take a return and have to give the tour thirty

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<v Speaker 3>mil and have to make it all up.

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<v Speaker 5>But you know, I mean, I think.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the thing. The policy was tax free, so went

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<v Speaker 2>Wright with. So when you do the math of agents,

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<v Speaker 2>coaches travel all that, like, people are like, oh, it's

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<v Speaker 2>ten million, ten million or twenty million, twenty million. It's

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<v Speaker 2>actually what he would have to earn on the Stanley were.

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<v Speaker 3>Almost probably double what he got out of the out

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<v Speaker 3>of the policy. So you know, I mean I said this,

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<v Speaker 3>I did. I did the Nolan up Wraps show on

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<v Speaker 3>Saturday Night with KAVV and Porter and I mentioned this

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<v Speaker 3>on there. We're talking about AK but you know, listen

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<v Speaker 3>and Joel Beal wrote this for Digest and I agreed

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<v Speaker 3>with a lot of what he wrote. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 3>live in this Anthony Kim two thousand and seven, two

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<v Speaker 3>thousand and eight world right, and it's twenty twenty four.

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<v Speaker 3>And I said this on the Nole and up Pod Joseph,

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<v Speaker 3>because I think it's important to look back at how far,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, back we go at eight the Ryder Cup team,

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<v Speaker 3>the moment of Anthony Kim's career, the one we all

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<v Speaker 3>remember The team he was on was Phil Stuart Saint,

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<v Speaker 3>Kenny Perry, Jim Furick, Justin Leonard, Ben Curtis, Boo, Weekly Stricker, Mayhan, JB. Holmes,

1:05:47.760 --> 1:05:50.600
<v Speaker 3>and Chad Campbell. I mean that is that is a

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<v Speaker 3>tour of the past, right, That is not what modern

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<v Speaker 3>professional golf looks like. And the players he was going

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<v Speaker 3>up against really outside of Sergio, I mean Padrick and

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<v Speaker 3>Westwood and Incident and Carlson. That's literally it's like he's

1:06:05.160 --> 1:06:09.720
<v Speaker 3>playing the matter of six Eraser of Palter Paul Casey

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<v Speaker 3>on that team, Like this was the I mean, this

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<v Speaker 3>was what OA golf looked like, right, And we're talking

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<v Speaker 3>about twenty twenty four and the top ten in.

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<v Speaker 5>The world being really young, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen a lot of the stuff float around to

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<v Speaker 3>like comparable aged players. I think there were three players

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<v Speaker 3>in that same age group that won last season on

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<v Speaker 3>the PGA Tour, Like thirty eight is old and I

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<v Speaker 3>hope grew, Yeah, like Rose and Brian Harmon is around

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<v Speaker 3>that age, and that was kind of it, Like this

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<v Speaker 3>isn't what golf was in eight in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 5>And the main.

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<v Speaker 3>Point of this is people that are dominant and professional

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<v Speaker 3>golver for right now are between the ages of twenty

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<v Speaker 3>two and twenty six, and Anthony Kumm is not twenty

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<v Speaker 3>six anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean he's it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Important important to There's one outlier, and that's Rory McElroy

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<v Speaker 2>who continues to remain the a monster off the tee,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's you know, that's the big question

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<v Speaker 2>about AK. It's like if he's still, if he's if

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<v Speaker 2>he has gained no yardage or lost yardage, this is

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<v Speaker 2>we shouldn't even be talking about. It's right.

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<v Speaker 4>I would push that prime back a little bit, Shane.

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<v Speaker 4>I think like twenty two to twenty six feels a

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<v Speaker 4>little young to me, But I agree with the the

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<v Speaker 4>broader point that not only is he older, but I

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<v Speaker 4>think he has now lived through an era that's completely changed,

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<v Speaker 4>and the last five or six years the speed increases.

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<v Speaker 4>What's coming on in twenty twenty four, we're already seeing

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<v Speaker 4>it with some of these young golfers coming out. Expecting

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<v Speaker 4>Anthony Kim to be strong off the tee, I think

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<v Speaker 4>is a bit far fetched. So I'd never want to

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<v Speaker 4>say never, but I'm not as optimistic about his return.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I give you the comp that I came up

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<v Speaker 4>with for who his his player might be, which player

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<v Speaker 4>he might most closely resemble?

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<v Speaker 3>Is this is this a modern player? This is like

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<v Speaker 3>a current player and professional off current.

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<v Speaker 4>Player and professional golf. I was thinking a lot about this.

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<v Speaker 4>It's really hard because of how short his career is,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think a golfer that I've actually gotten comfortable.

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<v Speaker 4>I think this is the correct comparison. The hyped prospect

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<v Speaker 4>success right away and then a bunch of success once

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<v Speaker 4>he gets his feet wet. His career didn't turn out

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<v Speaker 4>as prolific as the golfer I'm going to compare him to.

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<v Speaker 4>But I actually think Anthony Kim and Justin Thomas have

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<v Speaker 4>quite a bit in common. And where I was going

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<v Speaker 4>with that. Anthony Kim makes his debut in two thousand

1:08:34.040 --> 1:08:36.559
<v Speaker 4>and six, but his first full season is two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>and seven, Like that's really when his professional career starts.

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<v Speaker 4>He gets to world number six within a year and

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<v Speaker 4>a half, So like October of two thousand and eight,

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<v Speaker 4>a year and a half into his career, he's world

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<v Speaker 4>number six. Justin Thomas plays his first full season on

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<v Speaker 4>the PGA Tour in twenty fifteen, gets to world number

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<v Speaker 4>eight in two years so January of twenty seventeen, kind

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<v Speaker 4>of similar start to their careers. In their first ten Majors,

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<v Speaker 4>Anthony Kim makes nine cuts, two top tens, and his

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<v Speaker 4>tenth major championship is a solo third at the Masters,

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<v Speaker 4>and Justin Thomas's first ten Majors he makes eight cuts,

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<v Speaker 4>two top tens, and his tenth start is a win

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<v Speaker 4>at Quail Hollow, where Anthony Kim won his first tournament.

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<v Speaker 4>I think the power off of the tea, the ball striking,

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<v Speaker 4>the success in the team events go sorry, the aggression

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<v Speaker 4>like the as of their game, the ability to shoot

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<v Speaker 4>fifty nine like Justin Thomas has Anthony Kim rattling off

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<v Speaker 4>eleven birdies. I think there's quite a bit of similarity

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<v Speaker 4>in their games. Obviously, Justin Thomas has gone on to

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<v Speaker 4>have a monster career compared to what Anthony Kim has accomplished.

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<v Speaker 4>So I don't think it's a perfect comparison and how

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<v Speaker 4>things panned out, but I kind of think from a

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<v Speaker 4>stylistic perspective and what some of their stats look like,

1:09:49.800 --> 1:09:51.679
<v Speaker 4>I kind of like that comparison. So I was curious

1:09:51.720 --> 1:09:53.719
<v Speaker 4>with Andy and Shane what you guys think about that.

1:09:53.640 --> 1:09:55.960
<v Speaker 2>One both left left school early.

1:09:56.479 --> 1:09:57.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, young start.

1:09:58.320 --> 1:10:00.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I like that. I think think that's actually like

1:10:01.000 --> 1:10:03.960
<v Speaker 2>a very like when you think about like what draws

1:10:04.000 --> 1:10:08.599
<v Speaker 2>people to Justin Thomas Bandam, it is the wide array

1:10:08.640 --> 1:10:13.479
<v Speaker 2>of shot making, right, There's a there's an electricity to

1:10:13.600 --> 1:10:14.880
<v Speaker 2>the way he plays golf.

1:10:16.080 --> 1:10:18.240
<v Speaker 5>You know, it feels like too.

1:10:18.280 --> 1:10:20.479
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you could even dive deeper Joseph past just

1:10:20.600 --> 1:10:22.160
<v Speaker 3>what they look like on the golf course. I would

1:10:22.160 --> 1:10:24.160
<v Speaker 3>even go into personality, you know. I mean I feel

1:10:24.160 --> 1:10:26.960
<v Speaker 3>like Ak. I mean going back to Shaq Versus, which

1:10:27.080 --> 1:10:29.719
<v Speaker 3>I know is a silly show on TV, but Ak

1:10:29.880 --> 1:10:32.120
<v Speaker 3>is the guy that Shaq picks to be his teammate.

1:10:32.560 --> 1:10:35.000
<v Speaker 3>Justin Thomas is one of those guys that seems to

1:10:35.040 --> 1:10:38.679
<v Speaker 3>translate well with other athletes, right, Other athletes like his style,

1:10:39.080 --> 1:10:42.120
<v Speaker 3>like his confidence as Bravado, those types of things seem

1:10:42.160 --> 1:10:44.479
<v Speaker 3>to work well outside of just the golf room. And

1:10:44.520 --> 1:10:46.600
<v Speaker 3>it feels like Ak had a lot of similarities in

1:10:46.600 --> 1:10:49.519
<v Speaker 3>that world, right, the way he carried himself, you know,

1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:51.759
<v Speaker 3>the way he pulled off golf shots no matter the moment.

1:10:51.960 --> 1:10:54.519
<v Speaker 3>You hear other athletes talk about Anthony Kim in his prime,

1:10:54.720 --> 1:10:57.840
<v Speaker 3>and it's glowing responses right. I mean other golfers talking

1:10:57.840 --> 1:11:00.000
<v Speaker 3>about Anthony Kim and they gush about him, you hear,

1:11:00.400 --> 1:11:01.800
<v Speaker 3>you know, some of the older players. I mean, I

1:11:01.880 --> 1:11:04.320
<v Speaker 3>remember Phil Michelson talking about j T, you know, in

1:11:04.360 --> 1:11:08.519
<v Speaker 3>that twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen run, and how

1:11:08.840 --> 1:11:11.240
<v Speaker 3>how impressed he was with JT at such a young age.

1:11:11.280 --> 1:11:13.280
<v Speaker 3>So it almost feels like just even outside of their

1:11:13.320 --> 1:11:16.120
<v Speaker 3>games and coming out of college into pro golf, it

1:11:16.120 --> 1:11:19.080
<v Speaker 3>feels like just his personality people, they had a little

1:11:19.120 --> 1:11:22.040
<v Speaker 3>more than just your everyday good player on the PGA Tour.

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<v Speaker 4>I agree. And the I even think with some of

1:11:24.720 --> 1:11:27.400
<v Speaker 4>the driver yips, like we've seen Justin Thomas get a

1:11:27.439 --> 1:11:30.120
<v Speaker 4>little bit stray with the driver Like just looking at

1:11:30.160 --> 1:11:33.880
<v Speaker 4>their stats high level, they do kind of line up.

1:11:33.960 --> 1:11:37.559
<v Speaker 4>I mean, when Anthony Kim came on to professional golf scene,

1:11:37.600 --> 1:11:41.200
<v Speaker 4>he was between tenth and sixteenth in his first three

1:11:41.240 --> 1:11:43.719
<v Speaker 4>years on tour, and driving distance was pretty consistently around

1:11:43.760 --> 1:11:47.880
<v Speaker 4>three hundred yards. Justin thomas first full year was fifteenth

1:11:48.120 --> 1:11:52.040
<v Speaker 4>and kind of hovered between fifteenth and eighth to twelfth

1:11:52.240 --> 1:11:54.120
<v Speaker 4>over the first couple of years of his career. I

1:11:54.160 --> 1:11:56.720
<v Speaker 4>think the profile tracks pretty well, also chokes up on

1:11:56.720 --> 1:11:59.240
<v Speaker 4>his golf club like AK does. So there you go,

1:11:59.400 --> 1:11:59.840
<v Speaker 4>there you go.

1:12:00.120 --> 1:12:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Maybe maybe maybe JT was you know, he always talks

1:12:03.439 --> 1:12:06.880
<v Speaker 2>about Tiger, but Ak was actually JT's inspiration.

1:12:07.040 --> 1:12:08.840
<v Speaker 3>Right, the true school of hard knocks was just the

1:12:08.880 --> 1:12:10.320
<v Speaker 3>Ak School of hard knocks for JT.

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<v Speaker 2>It would match up, match up age wise, right, true?

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<v Speaker 4>So what do you guys think about is comeback? What

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<v Speaker 4>are realistic expectations?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's the hard part is I just feel

1:12:21.800 --> 1:12:24.679
<v Speaker 3>like it's so unknown. You know, skys take two years

1:12:24.720 --> 1:12:27.080
<v Speaker 3>off and three years off and you can at least

1:12:27.320 --> 1:12:28.800
<v Speaker 3>have an idea of who they're going to be on

1:12:28.840 --> 1:12:32.839
<v Speaker 3>the golf course. But twelve years it's a it's a lifetime.

1:12:32.880 --> 1:12:35.680
<v Speaker 3>It's a lifetime for pro athletes. Is this here's my

1:12:35.800 --> 1:12:38.760
<v Speaker 3>question to you guys in this same vein. Is there

1:12:38.800 --> 1:12:40.920
<v Speaker 3>even a comp to this? Is there a comp to

1:12:40.960 --> 1:12:44.120
<v Speaker 3>somebody's taken more than a decade away from pro sport

1:12:44.439 --> 1:12:46.800
<v Speaker 3>and coming back and attempting to be good at it again.

1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:48.840
<v Speaker 3>I think there's been times they've taken a year or

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<v Speaker 3>two off, but not twelve years. I can't think of

1:12:51.160 --> 1:12:52.480
<v Speaker 3>a single athlete.

1:12:52.479 --> 1:12:58.640
<v Speaker 2>That lorenochoa comeback for like a tournament.

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<v Speaker 5>I think so. I mean, I think she played in

1:13:01.080 --> 1:13:02.960
<v Speaker 5>her event right on the LPGA Tour.

1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like after like ten years, ten years away or

1:13:06.080 --> 1:13:09.840
<v Speaker 2>something like. That's the only only thing that jumps to mind. Like,

1:13:09.960 --> 1:13:15.439
<v Speaker 2>obviously the Tiger stuff is somewhat instructive, but you're talking

1:13:15.439 --> 1:13:19.200
<v Speaker 2>about the greatest player ever in like one to two

1:13:19.320 --> 1:13:24.240
<v Speaker 2>year absences, not twelve years twelve years.

1:13:24.479 --> 1:13:26.360
<v Speaker 4>If he had like some bad accident when he was

1:13:26.439 --> 1:13:29.080
<v Speaker 4>sixteen and he was coming back at age twenty six,

1:13:29.880 --> 1:13:33.040
<v Speaker 4>I'd be much more optimistic about what this could look like.

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<v Speaker 4>But he he's thirty eight years old, and the game

1:13:36.080 --> 1:13:39.400
<v Speaker 4>is way way different now than what it used to be. Like,

1:13:39.479 --> 1:13:41.840
<v Speaker 4>I think if he got to if he played a

1:13:41.840 --> 1:13:44.599
<v Speaker 4>full schedule and got to like thirty fifth in the world,

1:13:44.680 --> 1:13:48.920
<v Speaker 4>it'd be an unbelievable accomplishment. And that feels really far

1:13:48.920 --> 1:13:49.479
<v Speaker 4>fetched to me.

1:13:49.560 --> 1:13:50.920
<v Speaker 5>It seems so tough to do.

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<v Speaker 3>I will say this, I mean, if you're thinking about

1:13:54.000 --> 1:13:57.880
<v Speaker 3>this completely unique situation, right an athlete, you know, stepping

1:13:57.880 --> 1:13:59.960
<v Speaker 3>away from the game at a young age and try

1:14:00.120 --> 1:14:02.320
<v Speaker 3>to come back when he's near in the age of forty,

1:14:02.840 --> 1:14:07.040
<v Speaker 3>there's nothing better for somebody than what live offers right now,

1:14:07.479 --> 1:14:10.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, you think about the fields are smaller, You've

1:14:10.320 --> 1:14:14.360
<v Speaker 3>got probably twenty five guys, the guaranteed money. You probably

1:14:14.360 --> 1:14:17.120
<v Speaker 3>feel comfortable that you can beat twenty guys a week.

1:14:17.280 --> 1:14:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Even if you aren't that good anymore, you might be

1:14:20.080 --> 1:14:22.680
<v Speaker 3>able to beat twenty players. And then if you're you

1:14:23.280 --> 1:14:25.519
<v Speaker 3>get on John Ram's team. Let's just throw that out there.

1:14:25.560 --> 1:14:27.600
<v Speaker 3>Let's say he's on rams team in a couple of

1:14:27.600 --> 1:14:31.680
<v Speaker 3>months and your team wins a couple times throughout the season. Financially,

1:14:32.160 --> 1:14:35.320
<v Speaker 3>it all makes sense to me. Anthony Kim has always

1:14:35.400 --> 1:14:38.320
<v Speaker 3>looked like a guy that lived on confidence, and then

1:14:38.360 --> 1:14:40.760
<v Speaker 3>the moment the injury started to pile up, he was

1:14:40.800 --> 1:14:43.040
<v Speaker 3>super scared of what coming back might look like. And

1:14:43.080 --> 1:14:45.200
<v Speaker 3>we've all been there. We've all taken time away from

1:14:45.400 --> 1:14:48.439
<v Speaker 3>the gym or running or playing competitive golf or whatever,

1:14:48.600 --> 1:14:51.040
<v Speaker 3>or dating or whatever the case may be as a human,

1:14:51.360 --> 1:14:52.639
<v Speaker 3>and all of a sudden, you want to get back

1:14:52.640 --> 1:14:54.160
<v Speaker 3>in the pool, and you go, I hope I can

1:14:54.200 --> 1:14:57.400
<v Speaker 3>still do this again. It's scary to jump into that world.

1:14:57.680 --> 1:14:59.639
<v Speaker 3>But you know, you read the ship Nuck article, Andy,

1:14:59.640 --> 1:15:01.639
<v Speaker 3>and I mean he ends at that, right, he iNTS

1:15:01.720 --> 1:15:04.320
<v Speaker 3>at the fact that there was an there was ego

1:15:04.479 --> 1:15:06.960
<v Speaker 3>to be smashed. If you're Anthony Kim, if you come

1:15:07.000 --> 1:15:09.080
<v Speaker 3>back and you suck and you hit it two seventy

1:15:09.320 --> 1:15:12.040
<v Speaker 3>and you can't compete anymore, then all that's made up

1:15:12.080 --> 1:15:14.959
<v Speaker 3>about who you were as a pro and the legacy

1:15:15.120 --> 1:15:17.320
<v Speaker 3>and the hour we've talked about it on this podcast

1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:20.719
<v Speaker 3>and beyond goes away because the end of your chapter,

1:15:21.080 --> 1:15:23.000
<v Speaker 3>the end of the book is and he came back

1:15:23.040 --> 1:15:25.360
<v Speaker 3>to pro golf and he sucked, right, So he's got

1:15:25.400 --> 1:15:27.080
<v Speaker 3>to at least accept the fact that that could be

1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:28.160
<v Speaker 3>that could be a thing here.

1:15:28.680 --> 1:15:32.840
<v Speaker 2>I think like the popular, the unpopular right answer of

1:15:32.880 --> 1:15:36.360
<v Speaker 2>all this is Anthony Kim probably shouldn't come back because

1:15:36.439 --> 1:15:39.719
<v Speaker 2>it's more romantic if he just stays away, and we'll

1:15:39.760 --> 1:15:42.559
<v Speaker 2>always be able to hold on to that like burst

1:15:42.560 --> 1:15:47.160
<v Speaker 2>of stardom at a time when Tiger was injured, you know,

1:15:47.320 --> 1:15:50.320
<v Speaker 2>like Tiger. This was like kind of like he came

1:15:50.360 --> 1:15:54.519
<v Speaker 2>on right when Tiger started to have the injury off

1:15:54.520 --> 1:15:57.400
<v Speaker 2>the course issues, right, and he became this ray of

1:15:57.439 --> 1:16:02.240
<v Speaker 2>hope and bridged us to Rory McElroy, right. And I

1:16:02.280 --> 1:16:05.680
<v Speaker 2>think like when you think about it, it's that's the

1:16:06.240 --> 1:16:08.640
<v Speaker 2>thing that probably makes the most sense is him to

1:16:08.640 --> 1:16:12.040
<v Speaker 2>stay away, stay this full hero that like left golf

1:16:12.080 --> 1:16:16.800
<v Speaker 2>too early. And you know, but if he does come back,

1:16:17.000 --> 1:16:21.000
<v Speaker 2>I think lives the only the only option for him

1:16:21.400 --> 1:16:25.320
<v Speaker 2>from the insurance money. You know that I saw trele

1:16:25.360 --> 1:16:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Hatton just today, got what sixty seven million dollars to

1:16:30.760 --> 1:16:33.600
<v Speaker 2>go there or something about that if I apologize, it

1:16:33.680 --> 1:16:37.160
<v Speaker 2>might be sixty three million American dollars to go to live.

1:16:38.439 --> 1:16:40.120
<v Speaker 2>You know, they could cut him a check for thirty

1:16:40.160 --> 1:16:43.519
<v Speaker 2>million dollars and you know, and and he could play.

1:16:43.840 --> 1:16:46.360
<v Speaker 2>And you think about like, like you said, like those

1:16:46.400 --> 1:16:49.840
<v Speaker 2>fields are are gettable, right, Like I would have a

1:16:49.880 --> 1:16:52.920
<v Speaker 2>hard time believing, uh Anthony Kim would be able to

1:16:52.920 --> 1:16:56.719
<v Speaker 2>go out and consistently make cuts on on the PGA Tour.

1:16:57.760 --> 1:17:01.280
<v Speaker 2>I think he could be not the worst player on live.

1:17:01.439 --> 1:17:03.760
<v Speaker 2>He could be one of you know, not he could

1:17:03.800 --> 1:17:06.479
<v Speaker 2>be above the bottom five on live. When you start

1:17:06.520 --> 1:17:09.439
<v Speaker 2>to look through the players, I mean, you got West,

1:17:09.479 --> 1:17:12.920
<v Speaker 2>he's getting into his into into his fifties, like he

1:17:13.000 --> 1:17:16.080
<v Speaker 2>is into his fifties. You've got a lot of young

1:17:16.120 --> 1:17:18.280
<v Speaker 2>guys that are going to be a little volidile, that

1:17:18.320 --> 1:17:21.720
<v Speaker 2>are learning how to be professional golfers. You've got you know,

1:17:22.439 --> 1:17:25.160
<v Speaker 2>you just have Graham McDowell, right, Like I think he

1:17:25.200 --> 1:17:28.639
<v Speaker 2>can play with Graham McDowell at this point in his career, right,

1:17:28.800 --> 1:17:31.240
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I don't know. We haven't seen much of him,

1:17:31.400 --> 1:17:34.519
<v Speaker 2>but you start to look through the roster of live players,

1:17:34.560 --> 1:17:36.640
<v Speaker 2>like the bottom half of Live. The top half of

1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:40.040
<v Speaker 2>Live now is really good, quite good, but the bottom

1:17:40.120 --> 1:17:42.760
<v Speaker 2>half of Live is not is still pretty weak. So

1:17:42.800 --> 1:17:44.760
<v Speaker 2>it's like, you know, could he go in there and

1:17:44.880 --> 1:17:48.480
<v Speaker 2>have a finish twentieth and make a lot of money? Yeah,

1:17:48.640 --> 1:17:50.360
<v Speaker 2>and we're gonna see it. Like I think, like the

1:17:50.439 --> 1:17:54.040
<v Speaker 2>thing is not not about going out and shooting low rounds.

1:17:54.040 --> 1:17:56.400
<v Speaker 2>I still think he could go out shoot low rounds

1:17:56.439 --> 1:17:59.680
<v Speaker 2>if he's a shell of what he used to be.

1:17:59.720 --> 1:18:03.519
<v Speaker 2>It's it's just stringing together if it's lived, three good

1:18:03.560 --> 1:18:05.200
<v Speaker 2>rounds right to both of.

1:18:05.160 --> 1:18:09.800
<v Speaker 4>Your points, which I think the no cut thing is

1:18:09.840 --> 1:18:14.160
<v Speaker 4>a very attractive piece of returning to live versus returning

1:18:14.200 --> 1:18:17.000
<v Speaker 4>to the PGA tour knowing you're gonna get three competitive

1:18:17.080 --> 1:18:21.479
<v Speaker 4>rounds psychologically versus getting cut. I think if you're trying

1:18:21.479 --> 1:18:24.240
<v Speaker 4>to rehab, it's a little easier to go back when

1:18:24.240 --> 1:18:25.720
<v Speaker 4>you know you're gonna get three rounds and then you

1:18:25.760 --> 1:18:28.000
<v Speaker 4>know you can take some positive momentum from shooting a

1:18:28.040 --> 1:18:30.400
<v Speaker 4>good third round score that moves you up six spots,

1:18:30.400 --> 1:18:32.360
<v Speaker 4>like it's just a little bit easier to rehab under

1:18:32.360 --> 1:18:33.080
<v Speaker 4>those conditions.

1:18:33.720 --> 1:18:37.799
<v Speaker 3>I would say that in terms of the best possible

1:18:37.880 --> 1:18:43.080
<v Speaker 3>marriage for both Live and Anthony Kim, it's probably Live

1:18:43.120 --> 1:18:46.479
<v Speaker 3>in Anthony Kim. You know, you think about what Live needs.

1:18:46.680 --> 1:18:48.960
<v Speaker 3>Live needs something to make us want to watch, right,

1:18:49.040 --> 1:18:51.840
<v Speaker 3>because they've yet to get a golfer, even with Rom

1:18:51.880 --> 1:18:54.120
<v Speaker 3>going there, they've yet to get a golfer. I think

1:18:54.160 --> 1:18:57.599
<v Speaker 3>that's making the everyday golf and want to find it

1:18:57.640 --> 1:18:59.439
<v Speaker 3>on TV and turn it on no matter what time

1:18:59.520 --> 1:19:02.000
<v Speaker 3>zone it's in. And I've got to watch this. Anthony

1:19:02.080 --> 1:19:05.040
<v Speaker 3>Kim's playing golf and they're playing in Singapore or Australia

1:19:05.200 --> 1:19:07.360
<v Speaker 3>or Paris or whatever the case may be. I'm gonna

1:19:07.400 --> 1:19:09.559
<v Speaker 3>wake up and watch that first round. I'm gonna watch

1:19:09.600 --> 1:19:10.280
<v Speaker 3>that first tournament.

1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:10.719
<v Speaker 5>Andy.

1:19:10.720 --> 1:19:12.840
<v Speaker 3>I think you said on the shot and Start, you're

1:19:12.840 --> 1:19:15.439
<v Speaker 3>thinking four to five events. You know they will benefit

1:19:15.479 --> 1:19:17.360
<v Speaker 3>on the back end of But if you're thinking about

1:19:17.400 --> 1:19:20.559
<v Speaker 3>Anthony Kim here Joseph's point on the cut is true.

1:19:20.760 --> 1:19:23.559
<v Speaker 3>But also if he plays terrible then aren't we just

1:19:23.560 --> 1:19:26.360
<v Speaker 3>gonna forget that he's doing it, Like he'll just be

1:19:26.479 --> 1:19:29.559
<v Speaker 3>another person that's playing on Live that finishes fortieth. I

1:19:29.560 --> 1:19:32.000
<v Speaker 3>mean I don't I don't remember. I couldn't name the

1:19:32.040 --> 1:19:34.320
<v Speaker 3>bottom fifteen guys to live right now, there's no chance

1:19:34.320 --> 1:19:35.479
<v Speaker 3>to see what we're able to name it.

1:19:35.920 --> 1:19:37.160
<v Speaker 5>Well, that's the bottom guy.

1:19:37.800 --> 1:19:41.680
<v Speaker 2>Remember remember when Kobe did the Farewell Tour and this

1:19:41.840 --> 1:19:45.000
<v Speaker 2>is like I'm not comparing him to Kobe, but like

1:19:45.080 --> 1:19:48.200
<v Speaker 2>Kobe's out there and it was like big for like

1:19:48.400 --> 1:19:51.920
<v Speaker 2>certain stops at certain cities, but like for the most part,

1:19:51.960 --> 1:19:55.080
<v Speaker 2>it's just Kobe playing hero ball every single night. Everything

1:19:55.040 --> 1:20:01.240
<v Speaker 2>it got really really old, really fast, right, Like yes, yeah,

1:20:01.280 --> 1:20:04.080
<v Speaker 2>So like with Anthony KIV, like there there will be

1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:07.960
<v Speaker 2>this like this interest right off the bat. But if

1:20:07.960 --> 1:20:10.920
<v Speaker 2>he's not competitive, it just is going to be. Oh,

1:20:10.960 --> 1:20:14.600
<v Speaker 2>he's playing the spectacle. And this is where if he

1:20:14.720 --> 1:20:17.240
<v Speaker 2>just never plays again, he will be held in this

1:20:17.600 --> 1:20:21.040
<v Speaker 2>high regard. Right we talked about that end of Shack's career.

1:20:21.360 --> 1:20:24.400
<v Speaker 2>This is the perfect example. Like you get these years

1:20:24.479 --> 1:20:28.599
<v Speaker 2>the Boston Celtics, the Phoenix Suns, you know, like these

1:20:28.920 --> 1:20:33.519
<v Speaker 2>obscure places they played for, and he just wasn't Shack right.

1:20:33.920 --> 1:20:37.080
<v Speaker 4>Can I take the other side of that though, really quickly, Andy, Yeah,

1:20:37.280 --> 1:20:40.880
<v Speaker 4>isn't what we love about sports though, somebody wanting to

1:20:40.960 --> 1:20:43.640
<v Speaker 4>defy the odds, not to be overly romantic about it,

1:20:43.720 --> 1:20:46.040
<v Speaker 4>but and saying, you know what, I do want to

1:20:46.080 --> 1:20:49.320
<v Speaker 4>come back. And Shane's story about him hearing from another

1:20:49.400 --> 1:20:52.280
<v Speaker 4>dinner table that people are doubting him coming back. I

1:20:52.360 --> 1:20:54.519
<v Speaker 4>think that's also kind of what Live needs is a

1:20:54.520 --> 1:20:59.719
<v Speaker 4>player that's in it for competitive reasons, not taking a payout,

1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:02.000
<v Speaker 4>like who's in it to show what they still have?

1:21:02.280 --> 1:21:06.759
<v Speaker 4>And we've seen Camilla Viegis, somebody who's older than Anthony

1:21:06.800 --> 1:21:09.080
<v Speaker 4>Kim like Win recently. It's not out of the realm

1:21:09.120 --> 1:21:12.040
<v Speaker 4>of possibilities. And I think that little glimmer of hope

1:21:12.080 --> 1:21:14.600
<v Speaker 4>is what makes Worts entertaining. So even if I'm pessimistic

1:21:14.600 --> 1:21:17.479
<v Speaker 4>about what it looks like, I'm absolutely here for the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Joseph, I would say this, I think it's the first

1:21:20.439 --> 1:21:22.320
<v Speaker 3>golfer to go to Live that's going to be hungry.

1:21:22.400 --> 1:21:24.280
<v Speaker 3>I think that's the big part of the Anthony Kin

1:21:24.439 --> 1:21:27.799
<v Speaker 3>story is every single person that's gone to Lives Belly

1:21:27.920 --> 1:21:30.160
<v Speaker 3>is full right. They got a big amount of money

1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:32.679
<v Speaker 3>paid off the top. They're going to this toury either

1:21:32.680 --> 1:21:35.880
<v Speaker 3>because they're past their prime, or they wanted to check

1:21:35.880 --> 1:21:37.880
<v Speaker 3>and they wanted to maybe play less golf or whatever.

1:21:37.960 --> 1:21:39.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, we've heard over the last two years from

1:21:39.960 --> 1:21:42.880
<v Speaker 3>all these golfers this. There's an argument to be made

1:21:42.880 --> 1:21:45.000
<v Speaker 3>that this is the first person that would be going

1:21:45.040 --> 1:21:47.280
<v Speaker 3>to Live that would be hungry for results.

1:21:47.800 --> 1:21:48.679
<v Speaker 5>And that's good.

1:21:48.960 --> 1:21:52.439
<v Speaker 2>That's k that's Karen and Vincent slander and I won't

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<v Speaker 2>stand for it.

1:21:55.000 --> 1:21:56.479
<v Speaker 5>I think he made that name up. I think he

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<v Speaker 5>made that name up.

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<v Speaker 2>He won school. I'm just kidding, don't you Darek talk

1:22:01.120 --> 1:22:06.200
<v Speaker 2>about eu gdo Chakara like that? I just like it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it would be so fun if he was

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<v Speaker 3>competitive in golf. But this is as the big a

1:22:12.320 --> 1:22:14.640
<v Speaker 3>win as Live's gonna ever have. And I said this

1:22:14.960 --> 1:22:17.120
<v Speaker 3>a couple of days ago. I can't believe this didn't

1:22:17.120 --> 1:22:19.880
<v Speaker 3>happen off the top. I can't believe Live didn't offer

1:22:19.960 --> 1:22:22.240
<v Speaker 3>him an insane amount of money off the top to

1:22:22.320 --> 1:22:25.200
<v Speaker 3>go right when they started, because again, that would have

1:22:25.280 --> 1:22:27.280
<v Speaker 3>made people watch, and that would have made people care.

1:22:27.720 --> 1:22:30.679
<v Speaker 3>And as I think about Live in whatever its next iteration,

1:22:30.840 --> 1:22:33.880
<v Speaker 3>is gonna be. Why aren't they trying to get more

1:22:33.880 --> 1:22:36.200
<v Speaker 3>of this? And when I say this, I mean not

1:22:36.400 --> 1:22:39.439
<v Speaker 3>just pro golfers, Like why not go get John Smoltz

1:22:39.479 --> 1:22:41.679
<v Speaker 3>and pay him two million a year to play live

1:22:41.720 --> 1:22:44.880
<v Speaker 3>golf and just so people can say, here's Smoltz, let's

1:22:44.880 --> 1:22:49.320
<v Speaker 3>see how he compares against actual pro golfers. Like it

1:22:49.439 --> 1:22:51.439
<v Speaker 3>might it might be a circus act, but at least

1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:52.839
<v Speaker 3>it's something to it's something different.

1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:57.599
<v Speaker 4>Well, I'll disagree that. I think what earnestly Anthony Kim

1:22:57.600 --> 1:23:00.360
<v Speaker 4>could represent is watching a live tournament and saying, hey,

1:23:00.600 --> 1:23:03.160
<v Speaker 4>does this golfer have what it takes to win to

1:23:03.200 --> 1:23:05.560
<v Speaker 4>be competitive in a major? Again, I don't feel that

1:23:05.560 --> 1:23:07.920
<v Speaker 4>way about somebody like Brooks Koepka, who's been pretty clear

1:23:07.960 --> 1:23:10.760
<v Speaker 4>that those are regular season events to him, whether it

1:23:10.760 --> 1:23:13.680
<v Speaker 4>was PJ Tour or live not necessarily an indication of

1:23:13.680 --> 1:23:15.879
<v Speaker 4>how he's gonna do in a major. Versus watching Anthony

1:23:15.960 --> 1:23:19.599
<v Speaker 4>Kim would feel like you're watching it for competitive reasons,

1:23:19.640 --> 1:23:22.559
<v Speaker 4>and I think that's what live needs. So John Smoltz

1:23:22.560 --> 1:23:24.880
<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't have that same. I know John Smoltz can't

1:23:24.920 --> 1:23:27.840
<v Speaker 4>play in a major championship, but if Anthony Kim goes

1:23:27.840 --> 1:23:30.400
<v Speaker 4>out and puts up some really strong results on Live,

1:23:30.720 --> 1:23:32.719
<v Speaker 4>four or five of them in a row. Your brain

1:23:32.720 --> 1:23:34.640
<v Speaker 4>would start to go there, and I think that's what

1:23:34.680 --> 1:23:35.480
<v Speaker 4>Live needs.

1:23:35.800 --> 1:23:38.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree. I mean it's fascinating. I think we

1:23:38.760 --> 1:23:41.519
<v Speaker 2>all agree that lives the only place for him right now.

1:23:41.640 --> 1:23:44.200
<v Speaker 3>Andy, did you ever see ak in person? Did you

1:23:44.200 --> 1:23:45.920
<v Speaker 3>ever see him play in person? Go to a tournament

1:23:45.920 --> 1:23:46.320
<v Speaker 3>he was in.

1:23:46.920 --> 1:23:48.439
<v Speaker 2>I don't think I did. I did not.

1:23:48.720 --> 1:23:51.000
<v Speaker 4>I was trying to the bridge then some of the fires.

1:23:51.080 --> 1:23:52.560
<v Speaker 5>I was trying to think today.

1:23:53.960 --> 1:23:57.960
<v Speaker 2>That's the end of my collegiate life. I would say

1:23:57.960 --> 1:24:01.639
<v Speaker 2>that that was like the moment in Anthony Kimm's moment

1:24:01.680 --> 1:24:05.680
<v Speaker 2>in time. Early twenties was when I was most disconnected

1:24:05.760 --> 1:24:09.160
<v Speaker 2>with the sport. I would watch you know on on

1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:13.400
<v Speaker 2>the weekend, but I was, you know, I was early twenties,

1:24:13.680 --> 1:24:14.040
<v Speaker 2>all right.

1:24:14.640 --> 1:24:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Feel like I might have seen him in Arizona at

1:24:16.720 --> 1:24:20.120
<v Speaker 3>one point. I do remember that I went to the

1:24:20.120 --> 1:24:23.040
<v Speaker 3>Tucson Open when I was in college with my daily

1:24:23.080 --> 1:24:26.559
<v Speaker 3>Wildcat credential to watch Ty Tryon when he was having

1:24:26.560 --> 1:24:29.160
<v Speaker 3>his year on tour and followed him for eighteen holes.

1:24:29.880 --> 1:24:31.840
<v Speaker 3>And that was when he was the Massimo target guy,

1:24:32.000 --> 1:24:33.760
<v Speaker 3>and that was one of those you know, there was

1:24:33.760 --> 1:24:35.760
<v Speaker 3>only like fifteen people out there watching him, but I

1:24:35.800 --> 1:24:37.439
<v Speaker 3>was so fired up to see how he do. But

1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:40.920
<v Speaker 3>I can't distinctly remember a moment when I saw AK

1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:42.920
<v Speaker 3>up close. Maybe I've seen him in Phoenix one time

1:24:43.000 --> 1:24:43.519
<v Speaker 3>or twice.

1:24:43.920 --> 1:24:47.040
<v Speaker 2>I do feel like, you know, what you said about

1:24:47.120 --> 1:24:50.360
<v Speaker 2>the way players, big big time players talked about Ak

1:24:51.240 --> 1:24:54.040
<v Speaker 2>is so drastically different than other like flash and like

1:24:54.680 --> 1:24:57.759
<v Speaker 2>you can't find ty Trion quotes like that. You can't

1:24:57.760 --> 1:25:01.599
<v Speaker 2>find rio Ishikawa quotes like that, right, Like they are

1:25:02.360 --> 1:25:05.519
<v Speaker 2>few and far between when you get somebody like Phil

1:25:05.640 --> 1:25:08.720
<v Speaker 2>talking like that about somebody. All right, we're gonna we're

1:25:08.720 --> 1:25:11.799
<v Speaker 2>gonna start a new little segment for this Tuesday or Monday,

1:25:11.880 --> 1:25:14.960
<v Speaker 2>whenever you listen to this show that we're doing this year.

1:25:15.360 --> 1:25:18.360
<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have a closing segment here where we just

1:25:18.439 --> 1:25:22.680
<v Speaker 2>come up with recommendation. So, Shane, you got a recommendation

1:25:23.240 --> 1:25:23.639
<v Speaker 2>I do.

1:25:23.800 --> 1:25:24.200
<v Speaker 5>I do.

1:25:24.800 --> 1:25:27.000
<v Speaker 3>This is not sponsored. This is just something I think

1:25:27.080 --> 1:25:31.000
<v Speaker 3>is excellent. You guys know, electro light water is like

1:25:31.000 --> 1:25:32.679
<v Speaker 3>a big thing right now. And you pour the packets

1:25:32.680 --> 1:25:35.519
<v Speaker 3>and stuff in your water, you know that's big. The

1:25:35.640 --> 1:25:40.799
<v Speaker 3>element mango chili salt one. I know it sounds weird,

1:25:41.280 --> 1:25:43.599
<v Speaker 3>but James Nitty's got me on this last year during

1:25:43.640 --> 1:25:47.000
<v Speaker 3>corn Fairy. It's like the best tasting thing I've ever

1:25:47.000 --> 1:25:49.519
<v Speaker 3>had in my life. And so like, I'm drinking it

1:25:49.600 --> 1:25:51.839
<v Speaker 3>right now and you pour it in there. But listen,

1:25:51.880 --> 1:25:54.280
<v Speaker 3>I know when you think about flavoring, you go a

1:25:54.280 --> 1:25:57.320
<v Speaker 3>lot of different ways than mango chili for a flavor

1:25:57.320 --> 1:25:57.840
<v Speaker 3>of your water.

1:25:58.240 --> 1:26:02.759
<v Speaker 5>But it is bomb. So that's my recommendation. So that's spicy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's element which is l m n T.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Yeah, I think so.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, l m n T labert open.

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<v Speaker 5>Is that what ever?

1:26:13.760 --> 1:26:15.800
<v Speaker 2>That's a good that's a good tip. I feel like

1:26:15.840 --> 1:26:18.559
<v Speaker 2>I've been you know, I've been running a lot lately,

1:26:18.680 --> 1:26:21.599
<v Speaker 2>and I uh, I've been. I got like, I think

1:26:21.640 --> 1:26:24.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm having some dehydration issues that at the end end

1:26:24.880 --> 1:26:27.280
<v Speaker 2>of the day, like I noticed, my back starts to

1:26:27.280 --> 1:26:29.640
<v Speaker 2>get in sore. So I'm gonna I'm gonna buy some

1:26:29.720 --> 1:26:29.920
<v Speaker 2>of this.

1:26:30.200 --> 1:26:32.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, listen, I'm buying a box right now, and I'm

1:26:32.200 --> 1:26:33.800
<v Speaker 3>gonna mail it to you right now, So don't buy

1:26:33.760 --> 1:26:36.360
<v Speaker 3>it yourself. Yes, I'm gonna send you this box right now.

1:26:36.520 --> 1:26:38.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't need. I don't need you to buy it.

1:26:38.920 --> 1:26:40.400
<v Speaker 3>I don't I know you don't need it to you

1:26:40.439 --> 1:26:42.280
<v Speaker 3>own a company. But I'm gonna send this to you

1:26:42.760 --> 1:26:44.240
<v Speaker 3>and you let me know if it's good or not.

1:26:44.280 --> 1:26:46.360
<v Speaker 3>And if you hate it, just bring it to the

1:26:46.400 --> 1:26:48.040
<v Speaker 3>masters or whatever. I'm gonna see you next and I'll

1:26:48.040 --> 1:26:48.840
<v Speaker 3>take it off your hands.

1:26:49.000 --> 1:26:51.040
<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, that sounds like a good deal.

1:26:51.200 --> 1:26:53.080
<v Speaker 5>Do you guys know your recommendations or no?

1:26:53.560 --> 1:26:55.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I got a recommendation, just as you got one.

1:26:55.760 --> 1:26:59.639
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, and all right, I got one. My wife

1:26:59.720 --> 1:27:02.880
<v Speaker 2>she's been doing a bit of a dry January. She's been,

1:27:03.080 --> 1:27:06.000
<v Speaker 2>she got she got a little too deep in the holidays,

1:27:06.160 --> 1:27:09.200
<v Speaker 2>she's been, she's been pulling back and I've had I've

1:27:09.200 --> 1:27:11.679
<v Speaker 2>had a few of these, and they are really good.

1:27:11.680 --> 1:27:15.880
<v Speaker 2>If you're looking for something that are like a you know,

1:27:16.560 --> 1:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>that are just like a non alcoholic thing. She's been

1:27:20.040 --> 1:27:27.120
<v Speaker 2>drinking these kin euphorics. They are like, yeah, so it's

1:27:27.160 --> 1:27:30.080
<v Speaker 2>like a non alcoholic Like it's like a mocktail right

1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:34.519
<v Speaker 2>where it's got taste, but then it's got like adaptogens.

1:27:34.640 --> 1:27:37.360
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's not just like sugar, right, it's got

1:27:37.400 --> 1:27:40.840
<v Speaker 2>good stuff in it. It's got like botanics, uh new

1:27:40.920 --> 1:27:44.120
<v Speaker 2>tropics in it. But they're really good. They're really tasty,

1:27:44.800 --> 1:27:47.360
<v Speaker 2>and they have some stuff like they they've got some

1:27:47.600 --> 1:27:51.080
<v Speaker 2>just it's it's good. It's good stuff. They make you like.

1:27:51.240 --> 1:27:53.720
<v Speaker 2>I noticed, like my biggest problem when I try when

1:27:53.720 --> 1:27:57.280
<v Speaker 2>I go dry, is that like when I go grill,

1:27:57.479 --> 1:28:00.960
<v Speaker 2>I just need a drink like I not. I don't

1:28:01.000 --> 1:28:05.560
<v Speaker 2>need an alcoholic beverage. I need just something that's delicious

1:28:05.680 --> 1:28:09.080
<v Speaker 2>to drink, right. That's why I like the ritual of

1:28:09.160 --> 1:28:12.720
<v Speaker 2>drinking something. So having like these in the fridge has

1:28:12.760 --> 1:28:16.200
<v Speaker 2>been really great. You know, it's been It's just a recommendation.

1:28:16.320 --> 1:28:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I got, Joseph, what do you got?

1:28:18.800 --> 1:28:20.439
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well you guys went with products. I want a

1:28:20.479 --> 1:28:25.040
<v Speaker 4>slightly different direction Little music Wreck. Early in twenty twenty three,

1:28:25.080 --> 1:28:27.120
<v Speaker 4>I was super into this album and then kind of

1:28:27.120 --> 1:28:29.519
<v Speaker 4>put it away for a while and back into it

1:28:29.520 --> 1:28:32.639
<v Speaker 4>a little bit. Good vibes. The album is called Proof

1:28:32.680 --> 1:28:34.880
<v Speaker 4>of Life by Joy a Lot of Coon might not

1:28:34.920 --> 1:28:36.519
<v Speaker 4>be a name that a lot of people know, but

1:28:37.000 --> 1:28:39.479
<v Speaker 4>I've seen her live and she's awesome, and it's just

1:28:39.479 --> 1:28:41.360
<v Speaker 4>something that is a feel good you can throw on

1:28:41.400 --> 1:28:43.920
<v Speaker 4>in the car when you're feeling pessimistic about the state

1:28:43.960 --> 1:28:46.000
<v Speaker 4>of professional golf. It'll cheer you up a little bit.

1:28:46.080 --> 1:28:50.240
<v Speaker 3>So add it to the Apple Music right now.

1:28:50.360 --> 1:28:52.320
<v Speaker 5>And it's a deluxe album. So there you go. I

1:28:52.360 --> 1:28:52.720
<v Speaker 5>love that.

1:28:53.960 --> 1:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna add it right now.

1:28:55.760 --> 1:28:58.120
<v Speaker 4>The Proof of Life called Proof of Life by Joy

1:28:58.280 --> 1:29:00.760
<v Speaker 4>a lot of Coon, I know who she was. Until

1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:02.559
<v Speaker 4>this album came out. It was recommended to me by

1:29:02.640 --> 1:29:04.200
<v Speaker 4>multiple people and I would pass that on.

1:29:04.320 --> 1:29:06.519
<v Speaker 2>I can't even find Oh, there it is, there it is.

1:29:06.640 --> 1:29:09.120
<v Speaker 2>It looks Joe happy. It does look happy, Joseph.

1:29:09.160 --> 1:29:09.720
<v Speaker 5>You know what I got.

1:29:09.760 --> 1:29:12.439
<v Speaker 3>I got a recommendation yesterday at the gym that blew

1:29:12.479 --> 1:29:16.960
<v Speaker 3>my mind. Okay, So I was doing planks and there

1:29:17.000 --> 1:29:19.559
<v Speaker 3>was a lady right next to me. I was doing planks.

1:29:19.840 --> 1:29:22.400
<v Speaker 3>She said, do you do I got done, and she goes,

1:29:22.439 --> 1:29:24.479
<v Speaker 3>do you use a timer when you do planks? And

1:29:24.520 --> 1:29:26.439
<v Speaker 3>I said, yeah, I like do the timer and then

1:29:26.439 --> 1:29:28.920
<v Speaker 3>when it ends, obviously I can stop. She said that

1:29:28.960 --> 1:29:32.559
<v Speaker 3>if you do two minute planks, we will rock you.

1:29:33.040 --> 1:29:37.479
<v Speaker 3>The Queen song is exactly two minutes and one second long,

1:29:37.840 --> 1:29:41.000
<v Speaker 3>so she said, listen to that gets you fired up, obviously,

1:29:41.000 --> 1:29:43.880
<v Speaker 3>puts you in a great place mentally, keeps you you know,

1:29:44.000 --> 1:29:46.519
<v Speaker 3>keeps the stamina up. You're really really locked into the plank,

1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:48.320
<v Speaker 3>and then when the song's over, that means you're two

1:29:48.320 --> 1:29:48.920
<v Speaker 3>minutes is up.

1:29:48.960 --> 1:29:50.639
<v Speaker 5>So there you go, there's your plank wreck.

1:29:51.040 --> 1:29:53.519
<v Speaker 4>Do you think there's an untapped market for creating songs

1:29:53.520 --> 1:29:55.160
<v Speaker 4>that are exactly certain time? In her liaer?

1:29:55.320 --> 1:29:57.519
<v Speaker 3>I used to make a CD back in the day,

1:29:57.520 --> 1:30:01.360
<v Speaker 3>a beer pong CD or remember a girl talk? Well,

1:30:01.400 --> 1:30:03.599
<v Speaker 3>I did power hour CDs. I would make them where

1:30:03.600 --> 1:30:06.360
<v Speaker 3>you'd condense the song to a minute and you'd make

1:30:06.400 --> 1:30:08.840
<v Speaker 3>a sixty you know, a sixty minute power hour CD.

1:30:09.280 --> 1:30:10.320
<v Speaker 5>I remember making those backs.

1:30:10.640 --> 1:30:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Have no clue what making CDs was like?

1:30:14.120 --> 1:30:14.479
<v Speaker 5>Do you know I.

1:30:16.439 --> 1:30:18.640
<v Speaker 4>Know how to make a CD? This is ridiculous, this

1:30:18.760 --> 1:30:19.320
<v Speaker 4>is slander.

1:30:19.479 --> 1:30:21.280
<v Speaker 5>You've never burned a CD in your life? If you've

1:30:21.280 --> 1:30:22.920
<v Speaker 5>never had an MP three CD.

1:30:22.920 --> 1:30:25.639
<v Speaker 4>No clue burned a CD absolutely.

1:30:26.800 --> 1:30:29.240
<v Speaker 3>And after off off of kaza and just and just

1:30:29.280 --> 1:30:31.120
<v Speaker 3>dialed it in off of iTunes.

1:30:31.200 --> 1:30:34.200
<v Speaker 2>What about? What about right when you could, like, I

1:30:34.240 --> 1:30:38.080
<v Speaker 2>feel like it was like maybe like nineteen ninety nine

1:30:38.600 --> 1:30:41.400
<v Speaker 2>or nineteen ninety eight is when you could start to

1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>like make your own CDs, your own mixed CDs was

1:30:45.080 --> 1:30:47.160
<v Speaker 2>like all the rage so good.

1:30:47.200 --> 1:30:48.439
<v Speaker 5>I used to I used to sell them.

1:30:48.479 --> 1:30:50.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean illegally obviously, but I used to sell them

1:30:50.240 --> 1:30:51.960
<v Speaker 3>at school for ten dollars and I've made a killing

1:30:52.000 --> 1:30:52.519
<v Speaker 3>off that stuff.

1:30:52.520 --> 1:30:54.120
<v Speaker 5>When I was in high school, I was like the.

1:30:54.080 --> 1:30:55.640
<v Speaker 4>Only recommendation there, you go.

1:30:55.720 --> 1:30:57.479
<v Speaker 3>I was the only person in my hometown I think

1:30:57.479 --> 1:31:00.479
<v Speaker 3>that had DSL off the top, you know, was like

1:31:00.560 --> 1:31:03.559
<v Speaker 3>could actually download download songs and it wouldn't take twenty

1:31:03.560 --> 1:31:05.920
<v Speaker 3>five minutes to download them. Man, I would fire off

1:31:05.960 --> 1:31:08.120
<v Speaker 3>CDs back in the day. So to all those artists

1:31:08.160 --> 1:31:11.080
<v Speaker 3>I stole from Metallica and the likes, I apologize. I'm

1:31:11.120 --> 1:31:13.120
<v Speaker 3>just as bad as as Sean from Napster.

1:31:13.800 --> 1:31:17.040
<v Speaker 4>We're setting an interesting precedent for what this segment represents.

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<v Speaker 5>The illegalities.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well all right, that's it. We'll end there with

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<v Speaker 2>all of our illegal ripoff practices from our youth. Shane,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for coming on talk about AK and making CD

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<v Speaker 2>mixes and and selling them the business behind it. And

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<v Speaker 2>Joseph thanks for coming on talking to AK and and

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<v Speaker 2>we'll talk to you guys too. Thanks