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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast.
Speaker 2: Today's episode, me and Joseph Lamania are going to go
Speaker 2: deep on Anthony Kim and Uh. We're also going to
Speaker 2: have Shane Bacon on to talk about this. With obviously
Speaker 2: the news that Anthony Kim might be coming back, we
Speaker 2: figured it'd be fun to do a little career retrospective
Speaker 2: and then looking forward and some comparisons to what Anthony
Speaker 2: Kim would be in the modern era. But first, Joseph,
Speaker 2: what are you in on this week?
Speaker 4: Well, I'm double dipping a little bit from writing about
Speaker 4: this in the Friday Golf newsletter, but I gotta say
Speaker 4: way in on Tony Feenow regaining some speed.
Speaker 5: Andy.
Speaker 4: Don't know if you saw this, but it's been.
Speaker 2: I read your little piece.
Speaker 4: It's been a little bit of a statistical anomaly. Over
Speaker 4: the last couple of years. I've been puzzled as to
Speaker 4: why Tony Finow's driving distance numbers haven't been what they
Speaker 4: used to be. He's kind of been trending the wrong direction.
Speaker 4: Ball speed pretty much every year on tour has gone down.
Speaker 4: He used to be a top ten, top fifteen ball
Speaker 4: speed guy. Last year was like fortieth, and especially on
Speaker 4: the back half of last year, results weren't as good
Speaker 4: and his driving distance numbers were down. He mentioned after
Speaker 4: one of his rounds at Toy that he's bringing that
Speaker 4: speed back up, that he was nursing a couple injuries
Speaker 4: and he's finally healthy. He did an offseat of off
Speaker 4: sea of training, including some speed training, and I'm pretty
Speaker 4: excited to see what Tony Finow has this year. He's
Speaker 4: obviously a great player. I think some people may forget
Speaker 4: he won four times between July of twenty twenty two
Speaker 4: and April of twenty twenty three, and just real quickly
Speaker 4: to rattle off some of his major championship performances. Between
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen and twenty twenty one, he had at least
Speaker 4: two top tens, and each of those four years at
Speaker 4: least two top tens in a major championship. In twenty
Speaker 4: twenty two and twenty twenty three zero top tens combined
Speaker 4: in any either of those years, and I think the
Speaker 4: speed decrease is a part of that. So I'm pretty
Speaker 4: excited to see what Tony Finales got this year.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think about Tony Fenow and obviously if
Speaker 2: you were going to pull PGA Tour fans, the first
Speaker 2: attribute in terms of his game that they would touch
Speaker 2: on as the speed.
Speaker 5: So that is.
Speaker 2: A you know, very important aspect to his game, right,
Speaker 2: I think like that would be like if Steph Curry
Speaker 2: had an injury that prohibited him from getting enough lift
Speaker 2: to shoot three pointers right where he was hampered and
Speaker 2: lost let's just say eight percent on a three pointer.
Speaker 2: Like I'm just trying to equate some equivalencies here, but
Speaker 2: like the aspect of venous distance is it obscures a
Speaker 2: little bit how good of an iron player and short
Speaker 2: game he has. The putting was very scary, very scary Sunday.
Speaker 2: That was maybe the worst I've ever seen of it.
Speaker 2: But like you're talking about a guy who has three
Speaker 2: elite skills, and it's very rare for any player to have,
Speaker 2: like the possibility to be at the top end of
Speaker 2: an elite field in three categories. There are very few
Speaker 2: players that can do that, and Tony Fenow obviously getting
Speaker 2: that speedback, that's a good harbinger for twenty twenty four Majors.
Speaker 2: He could be a nice dark horse to look at
Speaker 2: in terms of like if you're doing like I had
Speaker 2: a buddy that was at the win in Vegas and
Speaker 2: sent me a bed slip for the for the Majors,
Speaker 2: and I was picking out some long shots, but like
Speaker 2: that could be one to look at, right.
Speaker 4: I think the Masters in particular is an excellent spot
Speaker 4: for Tony Pinaw. What are you went on?
Speaker 2: I am in on this week's tournament, Pebble Beach. I
Speaker 2: I'm kind of like mixed on designated events in general,
Speaker 2: but I just think that this match is a great
Speaker 2: match in terms of having a elite field at you know,
Speaker 2: your elite venue, like one of your premier venues, and
Speaker 2: the way this all has worked out where the event
Speaker 2: falls in between you know, the super Bowl and the
Speaker 2: Conference Championships. You know, the last few years of this
Speaker 2: event have not been pretty, with the Saudi International kind
Speaker 2: of stealing away a lot of players. Famously, like Phil
Speaker 2: used to play in this event all the time, then
Speaker 2: he started playing at Saudi in international. Now he's obviously
Speaker 2: playing live, but this event has has been kind of
Speaker 2: like mutilated the last few years in terms of a
Speaker 2: field perspective, where it went from one of the stronger
Speaker 2: events to one of the weaker events for a tour
Speaker 2: right now. That is I don't know if struggling is
Speaker 2: the right word, but not its strongest it's ever been
Speaker 2: with fans with with in terms of their fields, in
Speaker 2: terms of their you know who's playing. Having Pebble Beach
Speaker 2: be a big time event on you know what you're
Speaker 2: putting out there on you know, CBS that will be
Speaker 2: broadcasted primetime or not primetime, but like middle Sunday Saturday,
Speaker 2: with no real big competition outside of college basketball, this
Speaker 2: event being a big deal is important and awesome for
Speaker 2: the PGA Tour. Right You're going to have the best
Speaker 2: players playing one of your best venues, definitely your best
Speaker 2: television venue. Right from a television perspective, there's no course
Speaker 2: that it comes close to Pebble Beach, So just that
Speaker 2: pairing is an awesome thing for the PGA Tour. I'm
Speaker 2: super in on this event. I think reducing the pro
Speaker 2: am to just two days makes a ton of sense
Speaker 2: dropping on PCC. It's a wonderful golf course, but having
Speaker 2: to be just pebble and spyglass, it just makes this
Speaker 2: event a lot cleaner, a lot cleaner in the future
Speaker 2: of it, and just in general. I'm way in on
Speaker 2: this event.
Speaker 4: I'm with you. I think the visuals alone are gonna
Speaker 4: be awesome having all the best golfers, most of the
Speaker 4: best golfers in the world on the same golf course.
Speaker 4: I think weather it's a little bit of a concern.
Speaker 4: So I don't know if you've checked out the forecast,
Speaker 4: but looks.
Speaker 2: Like I'm aware. I'm aware the atmospheric river's coming. I
Speaker 2: think I think it could be good for entertainment on
Speaker 2: the golf course.
Speaker 4: I hope, so yeah, I just don't want to have
Speaker 4: a soggy finish.
Speaker 5: We'll see.
Speaker 4: But I'm with you, it's gonna be a great tournament.
Speaker 4: But one thing I'm out on that's related to the tournament.
Speaker 4: I know this has been talked about a little bit.
Speaker 4: I'm way out on the sponsor exemptions and how they
Speaker 4: were used this week, and specifically Peter Malnatti, Web Simpson,
Speaker 4: Adam Scott, three policy board members all getting a sponsor
Speaker 4: exemption into this event. I think optically it's really bad.
Speaker 4: And I mean Peter mal Naughty and Web Simpson are
Speaker 4: two of the players with the longest odds to win
Speaker 4: this tournament. Peter Malnatty's dead last, And I just think
Speaker 4: generally the tour has a bit of an optics issue
Speaker 4: with some backscratching. If you're in the in crowd, maybe
Speaker 4: you'll get an invite it to a twenty million dollar
Speaker 4: perse with no cuts. And I do have a problem
Speaker 4: with it. Think sponsor exemptions can be a tricky subject because,
Speaker 4: like nobody's complaining about Nick Dunlap right like, because I'm
Speaker 4: kind of philosophically opposed to sponsor exemptions in general. But
Speaker 4: somebody could say, well, Nick Dunlap was a great use
Speaker 4: of a sponsor exemption.
Speaker 2: Or or if Tiger wants to play, what do you
Speaker 2: do then?
Speaker 4: And I think my answer to both of those is
Speaker 4: that there are ways to get them into the field
Speaker 4: that aren't a sponsor exemption. You could carve out a
Speaker 4: spot for the reigning US Amateur champion. That's a good
Speaker 4: way to get somebody into the field without having to
Speaker 4: giving somebody the ability to just write an aim in
Speaker 4: that you know, you could get a situation like paresh
Speaker 4: am In last year, which was a crazy sponsor exemption
Speaker 4: at the Dessert Class.
Speaker 2: Can you explain what happened for those that might might
Speaker 2: have forgotten about paresh Amn. Yeah, well they had a
Speaker 2: great breakdown on the shotgun start.
Speaker 4: There were no boundaries around what a sponsor exemption could be.
Speaker 4: So this guy Paresha'm in that I'm hesitant to call
Speaker 4: him a professional golfer, though I think he's played some
Speaker 4: mini tour stuff, routinely shoots in the eighties in many
Speaker 4: tour golf, and got a sponsor exemption into the Dessert
Speaker 4: Classic last year, which is a partner event. So I
Speaker 4: think he ended up teaming up with Michael Thompson if
Speaker 4: I remember correctly, and I mean he was shooting, hitting
Speaker 4: terrible golf shots, might have shot in the eighties on
Speaker 4: his own ball, if I recall correctly, in the best
Speaker 4: ball portion of that format. So just generally there have
Speaker 4: been some stinky sponsor exemptions, and I think this week,
Speaker 4: even if yeah, Peter Malnati is a PGA Tour player,
Speaker 4: like he's not paresham In, but having three of those
Speaker 4: spots go to policy board members. When it's a twenty
Speaker 4: million dollars no cut event, I think looks bad. And
Speaker 4: I'm not going to say it puts a black cloud
Speaker 4: on the event. It doesn't, but I just think generally
Speaker 4: the tour needs to clean that kind of stuff up.
Speaker 2: That's uh, I agree. I don't know what the right
Speaker 2: answer is, but I do know that they are not
Speaker 2: vitally important. And I also know that four is not
Speaker 2: the right number of sponsors exemptions. I could, I could.
Speaker 2: I just think that there has to be a really
Speaker 2: great reduction in them. I probably think that it's a
Speaker 2: non even number, no greater than two, right, that's probably
Speaker 2: the right number.
Speaker 4: I'm inclined towards zero, truly, And you figure, oh, way, Ty,
Speaker 4: you could use a career money list type of exemption
Speaker 4: if you need to, or like in the Nick Dunlap case,
Speaker 4: reigning US Amateur champion, Like, I'm just in favor of
Speaker 4: getting them into the field organically and not giving somebody
Speaker 4: the ability to just write and name it.
Speaker 2: So my thought, this is just my general thought, is
Speaker 2: that this is a great argument for trees, like on
Speaker 2: golf courses, when somebody's like, oh, you can't you can't
Speaker 2: cut down trees like you know you're gonna ruin the holes.
Speaker 2: Is if you walk around with them and say show
Speaker 2: me the tree, one tree, you could give them eighteen
Speaker 2: trees one tree per whole, Eighteen trees on a golf
Speaker 2: course that are vitally important to the integrity of this
Speaker 2: golf course. You know, when they when you synthesize it
Speaker 2: down to like that that eighteen you get eighteen trees
Speaker 2: you could keep, they'll usually come back with like, well,
Speaker 2: there's like four important trees. So if you just reduce
Speaker 2: the sponsor's exemptions, people are gonna be like, oh, like
Speaker 2: these really aren't very important, and it's a way you
Speaker 2: get rid of them slowly.
Speaker 4: I tell you what, Between the sponsor exemption talk and
Speaker 4: the tree talk, this is going to be Web Simpson's
Speaker 4: least favorite segment on the Friday Golf Podcast of all time.
Speaker 2: And he might agree. He might agree with this, like,
Speaker 2: but you're not going to turn down getting into a
Speaker 2: no CUD event that's got a twenty million dollars pers.
Speaker 4: Right, she has a legitimate impact on other people's careers,
Speaker 4: right Their FedEx cut points up for grabs that this
Speaker 4: could end up being the difference between why Web Simpson
Speaker 4: gets a card next year versus Saturdaycneely or Matt McNeely. Absolutely, yeah,
Speaker 4: what else are you out on this week?
Speaker 5: Andy?
Speaker 2: All right, I'm out. I'm just out on the continued
Speaker 2: advancement of modern drivers. Oh yeah, this is uh, this
Speaker 2: is a topic that I've approached many times here, but
Speaker 2: I'm seeing like sub drivers that are touting if you
Speaker 2: hit it off the center of the club face, the
Speaker 2: ball goes actually further than if you hit it in
Speaker 2: the dead center of the sweet spot. I mean, what
Speaker 2: are we doing with professional golf? Like I'm all for
Speaker 2: this for like fifteen handicaps and twenty handicaps. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that we should be making the game more approachable
Speaker 2: for them, But in the vein of professional golf, all
Speaker 2: we're doing is we're just obscuring skill over and over again.
Speaker 2: Like we're making it so it's just impossible to tell
Speaker 2: who's better at golf, and it becomes just a putting
Speaker 2: contest every week because off the tee the ball like
Speaker 2: I have a new paradigm. I'm not gonna lie, like
Speaker 2: the thing always goes straight. Like it's hard for me
Speaker 2: to hit bad t shots, Like really hard, and I
Speaker 2: just think that this driver technology has gotten completely out
Speaker 2: of control, especially when you're talking about the greatest players
Speaker 2: in the game. We should be, you know, the game
Speaker 2: at the high level, at the pro golf. There's so
Speaker 2: many things that are broken, but this might be the
Speaker 2: most broken thing aspect of all of it, is that
Speaker 2: we have we have taken to the club that was
Speaker 2: the hardest club to hit in the bag in the
Speaker 2: nineties and it is now the easiest club to hit
Speaker 2: in the bag. As your driver, without a doubt, is
Speaker 2: the easiest club to hit in the bag. So now
Speaker 2: we have everybody can get off the tee and then
Speaker 2: it just makes the game so much less interesting and really,
Speaker 2: what is doing I saw there was a Shane Ryan
Speaker 2: article and Golf Died just this week about how golf
Speaker 2: doesn't have any needle movers. Well, you know why, because
Speaker 2: dominance greatness in golf is being obscured by equipment. And
Speaker 2: the sooner we rain this stuff back, the sooner we
Speaker 2: make the driver hard to hit again, the sooner we'll
Speaker 2: know who the actual superstars of the sport are. So
Speaker 2: I'm just so out out on this new driver technology
Speaker 2: and the idea that the world's best players have clubs
Speaker 2: that you can hit it anywhere on the club base
Speaker 2: and have it go out of the park. And I
Speaker 2: don't want to make a crazy comparison to steray baseball,
Speaker 2: but that's the same thing.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, a broken bat home run for
Speaker 2: the guy that was juiced up right, Like this is insane.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be able to just neck it and have
Speaker 2: it go three twenty. Bring back distance dispersion with the driver.
Speaker 2: I think that's the big thing that you see with
Speaker 2: the old clubs is that there was a chance the
Speaker 2: ball might go to sixty. If you hit it on
Speaker 2: the nuts, it's going to go to ninety, but you
Speaker 2: had a thirty yard there's no distance dispersion.
Speaker 4: Now totally agree Andy, I mean anecdotally, I could not
Speaker 4: hit a driver in high school and now with a
Speaker 4: modern driver, like I'm pretty good with my driver, and
Speaker 4: it's not because my swing's a lot better. There was
Speaker 4: a moment during the Farmer's Insurance Open where within like
Speaker 4: a two minute span you had a commercial for the
Speaker 4: Callaway AI Smoke this new driver, which literally says they
Speaker 4: show the visual of the driver and they show all
Speaker 4: these different circles where you can hit on the driver
Speaker 4: head and they say in the commercial whether you hit
Speaker 4: one off the toe, heel high or low, there's a
Speaker 4: speed spot there. And then within two minutes there's Xander
Speaker 4: Shaftley hitting the AI smoke in the event and he
Speaker 4: kind of one hand finishes the driver. He doesn't strike
Speaker 4: it well and it goes like right past Tony Fenow's ball,
Speaker 4: who had just hit one that he hit pretty well.
Speaker 4: Like it's right in front of your face that you
Speaker 4: don't have to hit the center of the club face
Speaker 4: and they're advertising it. So I agree with you, Like,
Speaker 4: maybe for the amateur that's fine, but at the professional level,
Speaker 4: I think it's extremely distasteful and promoting it as if
Speaker 4: it's a good thing. I think it's clearly taking away
Speaker 4: from the skill in the sport. So wholeheartedly agree with you.
Speaker 4: I'm out on that too.
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Speaker 2: on big News. I'm excited to talk in depth about this.
Speaker 2: Big news last week was Anthony Kim is mulling a
Speaker 2: return to golf, potentially live, potentially the PGA Tour. Obviously,
Speaker 2: Anthony Kim, for the vast majority of our adulthood, really
Speaker 2: like post college life, has been a bit of an
Speaker 2: internet folk hero. You know, we had we had Anthony
Speaker 2: Kim in our early twenties and Joseph, you know, you
Speaker 2: had Anthony Kim in your teen years you're coming of
Speaker 2: age years. But he's been gone for a while, and
Speaker 2: you know, the last week I've really been rebooting some
Speaker 2: Anthony Kim memories thinking about his golf game in detail,
Speaker 2: and I figured that would be a good exercise. It is,
Speaker 2: to really go in depth as to who Anthony Kim was,
Speaker 2: our favorite memories from the Anthony Kim years, and then
Speaker 2: you know, kind of talk about who he might be
Speaker 2: if he comes back. You know, what, what type of
Speaker 2: player would he profile as if we took his stats
Speaker 2: from yesteryear to translate him to today, what type of
Speaker 2: you know, how we would rank the world scheme if
Speaker 2: he came back with no rust, which you know, it's
Speaker 2: a fascinating topic and it'll be interesting to see in
Speaker 2: the coming days or weeks if he ends up being
Speaker 2: you know, returning to golf. I would guess it's going
Speaker 2: to be live. But we can talk more about that later.
Speaker 2: What do you guys, just before we get really in depth,
Speaker 2: what are your guys memories of Ak?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: Andy, I just want to say I was reminded via
Speaker 3: Twitter I wrote a mail bag for foxsports dot com
Speaker 3: back in twenty sixteen, So what's that eight years ago?
Speaker 3: The headline the mail bag was what would break golf
Speaker 3: media or a Tiger win or an Anthony Kim return
Speaker 3: to the PGA Tour. Unfortunately, as I go to click
Speaker 3: that link, it's dead So this is how far back
Speaker 3: Anthony Kims stories go as you get dead link. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, this has been something we've talked a
Speaker 3: lot about, Joseph. I know, again not in your age
Speaker 3: your age range necessarily, but for Andy and I. I
Speaker 3: think Andy's thirty eight, is that right?
Speaker 2: Andy thirty seven? You're thirty seven almost I'm approaching thirty eight.
Speaker 3: So I mean this guy's like literally right in the
Speaker 3: middle of you and I. I mean I'm forty and
Speaker 3: your thirty seven and Ak thirty eight. So when you
Speaker 3: talk about the next thing after Tiger, when Tiger burst
Speaker 3: on the scene and we were a little younger, maybe
Speaker 3: then we'd been kind of formidable years, if you will.
Speaker 3: AK was kind of our guy, even before Rory McElroy
Speaker 3: and Jordan's speeds. So for you and I, I mean,
Speaker 3: the Anthony Kim return has always been something we have
Speaker 3: at least, you know, hoped to see in some capacity.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's it's been a topic and obviously
Speaker 2: there are a lot of factors into this, and we'll
Speaker 2: get into them all, but I figure what would be
Speaker 2: really instructive is a little bit of Anthony Kim background.
Speaker 2: I got. I got in the weeds. This brought back
Speaker 2: some memories of the Shotgun start spotlights that Brendan and
Speaker 2: I literally text about every month about bringing back you know.
Speaker 2: But I got into the weeds found some really really
Speaker 2: great articles. The really the best article about Anthony Kim
Speaker 2: that I would urge everybody to go read, and a
Speaker 2: lot of stuff that I'm going to go through here
Speaker 2: is from is Tom Callahan's Golf Digest article. One of
Speaker 2: the greatest golf writers of all time, Tom Callahan, and
Speaker 2: he did an unbelievable profile, I believe, in two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine on Anthony Kim. So let's get into some
Speaker 2: ak basics. He's thirty eight years old. As Shane mentioned,
Speaker 2: he was the son of two Korean immigrants, and he
Speaker 2: was born in Koreatown in LA. His parents like were
Speaker 2: not obviously well off, but they owned a spice shop
Speaker 2: in LA that became like pretty popular and they accumulated
Speaker 2: like pretty substantial wealth. He was promising player, and the
Speaker 2: parents had enough money that they were able to buy
Speaker 2: a second house in Lakita. So at age sixteen, I
Speaker 2: think this is just like a great intro story about
Speaker 2: Anthony Kim at age sixteen, he was living basically on
Speaker 2: his own.
Speaker 3: His his mom would go out every week and basically
Speaker 3: make meals for the week. You know, you see that
Speaker 3: obviously on social media now where you know you cook
Speaker 3: something on Sunday for the whole week, like you know,
Speaker 3: you basically prepackage all your lunches. His mom was coming
Speaker 3: out and making him lunch for the week and then
Speaker 3: going back home. He's sixteen years old, living at PJA
Speaker 3: West playing golf every day.
Speaker 5: It's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So he his parents would visit on the
Speaker 2: weekend and that was he was on his own during
Speaker 2: the week. Like any parent out there, just think about
Speaker 2: the craziness of this. But this was their dedication to
Speaker 2: his golf game. They knew that living in the city
Speaker 2: of la and the the golf that was afforded him
Speaker 2: was not as conducive as him living in Palm Springs,
Speaker 2: so they, you know, huge sacrifice for his golf. Here's
Speaker 2: from m calahan Golf Digest article, and this is this
Speaker 2: is amazing growing up in LA This is where Kim resolved. Okay,
Speaker 2: this is where Kim resolved to choke up on every shot,
Speaker 2: not really because the cheft was too long, simply because
Speaker 2: that part of the grip felt good to him. So
Speaker 2: he he was notorious. He choked up about an inch
Speaker 2: and a half on every shot. It was just something
Speaker 2: that you knew from him. Here's Nick Demico, who who
Speaker 2: was the marshal at the golf course. We're so proud
Speaker 2: of Anthony. He had a little bit of a rep
Speaker 2: when he was nine and ten. What a cocky little
Speaker 2: bastard he was. No we all loved him. He'd look
Speaker 2: out at that two hundred and thirty yard sign hanging
Speaker 2: on the back high back netting and say, someday, I'm
Speaker 2: going to drive a ball over that fence. I told
Speaker 2: them is part of my job, Anthony, to make sure
Speaker 2: balls don't go over that fence. But it's okay with
Speaker 2: me if you want to try. Here's Ron del Barrio,
Speaker 2: who was a teaching pro at this little nine hole
Speaker 2: course or a nine hole par three course they grew
Speaker 2: up at. You always knew when Anthony was here because
Speaker 2: you could hear that unmistakable crack of the ball. Newcomers
Speaker 2: would turn around and ask who hit that. He barely
Speaker 2: came up to the waists of the guys. He challenged
Speaker 2: to two hole matches up one and back down nine
Speaker 2: for a buck. That's my memory of him here, returning
Speaker 2: with a smile on his face, waving a dollar bill.
Speaker 5: So andy.
Speaker 3: It seems like like I remember Natalie goldb was telling
Speaker 3: me years ago that the two players that made the
Speaker 3: difference sound with the golf club were Tiger and Adam Scott.
Speaker 3: When you read through old Anthony Kim's stories, it seems
Speaker 3: like he was one of those guys as well. I
Speaker 3: mean I was going through old articles like Phil Mickelson
Speaker 3: talking about how good he hit the ball golf ball,
Speaker 3: Rory mclory talking about how so he hit it every
Speaker 3: single time. Brian Harmon was on with Colton Drew and
Speaker 3: they were talking. He was talking about the ball striking
Speaker 3: when they played together at the Walker Cup at Chicago.
Speaker 3: Just his ability to hit it in the center of
Speaker 3: the face at all times was the separator. You know,
Speaker 3: when you think about him coming up as a junior
Speaker 3: golfer and a great young player. Was he was the
Speaker 3: ball striker that great ball strikers envy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean he was. He was electric. Electric.
Speaker 2: So he went to Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: Well, hold on, Nady, real quick, real quick. Just just
Speaker 3: want to touch the ship Nuck article as well. Ship
Speaker 3: Nuck wrote a piece about Ak, and he talked a
Speaker 3: little bit about Ak and his dad's relationship, and there
Speaker 3: was some Earl Woodsyan situations between Paul Ak's dad and Ak.
Speaker 3: He once threw a first place trophy away that Anthony
Speaker 3: had won because he said he didn't shoot low enough
Speaker 3: even though he won first place. He threw it in
Speaker 3: the trash and they had a spat. I believe it
Speaker 3: might have been when he was in college where the
Speaker 3: two didn't talk to each other for two years. So
Speaker 3: there was a lot of that pushing your son as
Speaker 3: much as you could push them type of situation between
Speaker 3: dad and son. With Anthony Kim that, you know, it
Speaker 3: was probably a big part of how he got so
Speaker 3: great so early. Yet obviously there was some some background
Speaker 3: battles between the two that they dealt with internally with
Speaker 3: the family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I it's interesting the push and pull
Speaker 2: of youth sports, right, I thought, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you guys watched that Yannick Centner's speech yep at the
Speaker 2: at the Australian Open after winning I thought that was amazing, he.
Speaker 3: Said, he said, I wish everybody had parents like mine.
Speaker 3: Basically is such a cool line to say, right, I mean,
Speaker 3: I know, Joseph, I know you don't have kids, but
Speaker 3: you know, for Andy and I, it's like raising these
Speaker 3: little kids. I mean just imagining them saying something that
Speaker 3: nice and that thoughtful when they're eighteen, nineteen, twenty twenty two.
Speaker 3: I mean that's the dream, right, is that you could
Speaker 3: raise them in this perfect way. Yet on the other end,
Speaker 3: you see so many great athletes that had parents that
Speaker 3: pushed the hell out of them, you know, I mean
Speaker 3: it's it's really a push and pool that's tough to
Speaker 3: tough to battle.
Speaker 2: What was the sport? Yanik was so center, you know,
Speaker 2: his whole thesis behind his parents was they let me
Speaker 2: do whatever I wanted, and he was. He won some
Speaker 2: sort of world junior event at age eleven and another
Speaker 2: sport I'm forgetting right now, and then he's winning the
Speaker 2: Australian Open at at age twenty two.
Speaker 5: I want to say, some skiing or swimming or something.
Speaker 2: Yeah that sounds about yeah, like he was great skier,
Speaker 2: world world you know, like a world class junior skier
Speaker 2: at age eleven, and then literally eleven years later he's
Speaker 2: winning one of the Grand Slams at tennis. I'm unbelievable,
Speaker 2: and I think, like real, you know, uh should be
Speaker 2: real fuel for allowing kids to experiment play different sports.
Speaker 4: Andy on the maybe I'm getting ahead of us a
Speaker 4: little bit, but on the Anthony Kim part of this
Speaker 4: is because amateur data isn't as good when you go
Speaker 4: back that far. But can you paint a little bit
Speaker 4: of a picture of how hyped of a prospect Anthony
Speaker 4: Kim was going into Oklahoma? Are you Maybe you're getting
Speaker 4: into that in some of his amateur accolades. But that's
Speaker 4: something that's still unclear to me because there's this conversation
Speaker 4: now of it was Anthony Kim overrated? And do we
Speaker 4: overglorify him when we looked back at the time. So curious,
Speaker 4: how if you can paint the picture of his early
Speaker 4: amateur career leading in he was, I mean, he.
Speaker 2: Was, like all he was legitately great, great prospect, huge
Speaker 2: boom going to Oklahoma. And when he gets to Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: immediately one of the best college golfers in the country, like.
Speaker 3: All American all three years, right, all three years, all American,
Speaker 3: best scoring average in Oklahoma history at the point at
Speaker 3: that time.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, So here we go. So he's three time
Speaker 2: All American two thousand and five Walker Cup. He turned
Speaker 2: pro in two thousand and six after three years at Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: His last year he was a second team All American.
Speaker 2: And we'll get into why Tom Callahan article again. In college,
Speaker 2: Kim hardly has to say. Kids drink every single day.
Speaker 2: That's what I did. When you're in college, you feel invincible.
Speaker 2: You don't have to make a tea time because you're
Speaker 2: on full scholarship at OU. Whether you go to class
Speaker 2: or not, it doesn't matter. I tried to go to
Speaker 2: class as little as possible. What was his major? I
Speaker 2: majored in. Not picking a major, he says, I just
Speaker 2: kept it undeciding, bidding my time until I turned pro.
Speaker 2: He planned to spend just one year in Norman, mainly
Speaker 2: to please his mother, but she wheeled two more out
Speaker 2: of them. However, in Anthony's third and final year, he
Speaker 2: went a little haywire, which is to say, backward, not
Speaker 2: so much on the merits as on the demerits. Kim
Speaker 2: slipped from first team All American to second How could
Speaker 2: I be second team? He thought at the time. In
Speaker 2: one of the best fields we played all year, I
Speaker 2: won by eight shots. Before that, another good field I
Speaker 2: won by seven. But he says, now, it's also true
Speaker 2: that I was a bench for a few tournaments. I
Speaker 2: don't know, probably five tournaments, and I said stupid things
Speaker 2: all the time. I still say soup the things. The
Speaker 2: bottom line it's taken me a while to come to
Speaker 2: this is that it was mostly by fault. You can't
Speaker 2: screw up yourself if that expect the best from someone else.
Speaker 2: So just like, I mean, he's just golf everything second
Speaker 2: to partying. When he gets to college and he's still
Speaker 2: just dominating college.
Speaker 3: I mean, you talk about foreshadowing for you know, the
Speaker 3: big moments of his careers, and I know we'll get
Speaker 3: to Alan Be in a bit, but I mean the
Speaker 3: fact that he you know, we joke, I know, we've
Speaker 3: joked at times about if there was like a booze
Speaker 3: tournament for professional golfers, who would win. It feels like
Speaker 3: Anthony Kim would have been the heavy favorite in that department.
Speaker 3: Ship Nuck in his article about ak I think he
Speaker 3: said he had a double major at Oklahoma and it
Speaker 3: was girls and partying, you know, I mean, that's obviously
Speaker 3: was the focus, you know when he was in Oklahoma
Speaker 3: was he was going to party first. He was gonna
Speaker 3: play great golf second. And he knew even with party
Speaker 3: and the great golf was going to come because that's
Speaker 3: how talented he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the talent was is unbelievable. So he he
Speaker 2: turned pro in two thousand and six. In his first event,
Speaker 2: he gets a sponsor's exemption into the Vivalero Texas Open.
Speaker 2: He finishes second sixty five.
Speaker 5: In the final round to nearly win.
Speaker 3: Eric actually won that week and he said, Andy, I
Speaker 3: don't know if you have this, but he said after that,
Speaker 3: the second place finish, he said, that was the worst
Speaker 3: thing that could have happened to me, was what he said,
Speaker 3: because he said he liked shiny things. And I think
Speaker 3: he got like two hundred and fifty thousand dollars check
Speaker 3: for second place, and he said nothing could have been
Speaker 3: worse for him right out of the gate than than
Speaker 3: playing that well in his first PGA Tour bet.
Speaker 2: So this is the Callahan Digest article speaking of headaches,
Speaker 2: Anthony wasn't finished with the vodka. In two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: previewing the PGA Tour at two stops, so he only
Speaker 2: got two sponsor exemptions. Kim had either the good or
Speaker 2: bad fortune to succeed instantly, debuting at the Valero Texas
Speaker 2: Open on his sponsor's exemption. He finished tied for second
Speaker 2: and earned three hundred grand. Until that moment, Anthony wasn't
Speaker 2: completely sure he could make a living with his golf clubs.
Speaker 2: This may sound crazy, he says, but at the Vallero
Speaker 2: I kind of figured it out. After that, and for
Speaker 2: a long while he was a little too sure. That
Speaker 2: first year, I didn't know what happened. It was a
Speaker 2: train wreck of a year. I did everything wrong he
Speaker 2: could possibly do. I didn't deserve to keep my card.
Speaker 2: I don't know how many golf balls I hit in
Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, but it couldn't have been in
Speaker 2: the thousands. Sometimes I would hit ten for a week.
Speaker 2: I'd just play the tournament. And that's not me, that's
Speaker 2: Carlos Franco. Carlos Franco so funny. I need to hit
Speaker 2: golf balls and loosen up and go through my routine.
Speaker 2: I didn't do that. I stayed out every night. Everyone
Speaker 2: saw it. I didn't respect the game. I didn't respect myself.
Speaker 2: On a hungover day, he'd sit back and reflect, what
Speaker 2: are you doing? But he knew the answer. You're screwing
Speaker 2: off instead of working, and then you're tired. For the
Speaker 2: next three weeks. To try and take some of that
Speaker 2: tiredness away, you go out on the town again looking
Speaker 2: for a rhythm. Now you're two months tired, exhausted as shame.
Speaker 2: And that's how my year went. So he does those
Speaker 2: two sponsors exemptions and then he got his card through
Speaker 2: Q School, so he finished tent thirteen in Q School.
Speaker 2: That's how he played two thousand and seven. So he
Speaker 2: kind of like at the end of two thousand and seven,
Speaker 2: turt kind of started to take golf more seriously and
Speaker 2: one person that he went to to help out was Marcomira.
Speaker 4: Well and Andy, not to interrupt you, but I think
Speaker 4: one interesting the two thousand and seven season and how
Speaker 4: you described it as a catastrophe. He still played like
Speaker 4: decent and golf by other people's standards, like he was
Speaker 4: somewhe around thirtieth and strokes gained for the season, made
Speaker 4: twenty cuts in twenty six starts, hit four top ten,
Speaker 4: so not like the prolific career that he would have
Speaker 4: the next year. But it wasn't like two thousand and seven,
Speaker 4: he missed every cut. Like, it's interesting to look at
Speaker 4: his stats compared to maybe how it was described and
Speaker 4: how badly he says he hit the ball because it
Speaker 4: wasn't a complete disaster. Articles about him being one of
Speaker 4: the best rookies of the year, And I think that's.
Speaker 2: An interesting thing with this whole dif Like people look
Speaker 2: back now at the stats and be like, well, look
Speaker 2: at these bad years, and here it's like, yeah, I
Speaker 2: went out out every night, I partied every night, and
Speaker 2: like that would be a detraction if you just looked
Speaker 2: at the stats, right, This is the context behind the stats,
Speaker 2: is some of what was going on in his life.
Speaker 2: And then the back half, like we only have a
Speaker 2: couple good years of ak like to look at because
Speaker 2: then he had the injuries, right, and that's where we've
Speaker 2: gotten to now, Like that is the story till now,
Speaker 2: is the injuries, the time away. But like there's only
Speaker 2: a couple good years. So so two thousand and eight
Speaker 2: is his big year where he kind of bursts on
Speaker 2: the scene and he became the first player to win
Speaker 2: twice in a year under the age of twenty five
Speaker 2: since Tiger and he got to six in the world rankings.
Speaker 2: But you know, the big thing in this is from
Speaker 2: the Calahan piece is like he kind of started to
Speaker 2: clean up his lifestyle and he went to Mark o'meira.
Speaker 2: So of course Mark was the first veteran to throw
Speaker 2: an arm around Tiger. Was because of my relationship with Tiger,
Speaker 2: he says. I'm constantly asked who's the next young player
Speaker 2: coming along. I've been hard pressed to come up with
Speaker 2: a name. You know, Bill Haass is a nice player.
Speaker 2: There are a number of good talented kids out there.
Speaker 2: But after I played three rounds with Anthony, I picked
Speaker 2: up the phone and called Tiger. This kid I've just
Speaker 2: finished playing golf with, I said, is the second best
Speaker 2: young player I've ever seen come along. Anthony acknowledges I
Speaker 2: don't have any swing thoughts. I'm not smart enough to
Speaker 2: have a lot of swing thoughts.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there was like a famous there was
Speaker 3: a famous moment where he's at a clinic or something
Speaker 3: with Tiger, and I think Tiger was like talking through
Speaker 3: the fifty things that go into a good golf swing,
Speaker 3: and then they turned to Ak and it was like
Speaker 3: literally kind of like the Tin Cup moment. Where he's
Speaker 3: like grip it or rip it, you know, after the
Speaker 3: long point he renee Russo it's like that was the
Speaker 3: way AK kind of thought about the golf game was.
Speaker 3: You know what's interesting, Joseph was, I feel like Anthony
Speaker 3: Kim was extremely ahead of his time in the way
Speaker 3: he played golf. Hit it as far as he could
Speaker 3: hit it, hit drive all over the place, and he
Speaker 3: never shied away from a flagstick. Obviously that was a
Speaker 3: big part of some of his success was there was
Speaker 3: no fear in the game. And when you hear about
Speaker 3: those types of players, Phil talked a lot about it
Speaker 3: with Ak when he was asked about it, like Phil
Speaker 3: was like, this, dude is not scared of any flag.
Speaker 3: And that's coming from Phil Mickelson, who for twenty five
Speaker 3: years was never scared of a flag.
Speaker 4: You know, well, it's interesting you say that because I
Speaker 4: have I agreed to an extent, and then there's some
Speaker 4: ways in which I disagree. Don't have his detailed of
Speaker 4: data going back then, but one thing I noticed, some
Speaker 4: of the unbelievable volatility obviously in his life but also
Speaker 4: on his scorecards. To me, it does probably scream of
Speaker 4: somebody who was ahead of his time with some of
Speaker 4: the speed and some of the distance, but with the
Speaker 4: not being scared of flagsticks. I would guess there were
Speaker 4: a lot of over aggressive decisions. I see like double
Speaker 4: bogies on par five's like some big numbers, tons of birdies.
Speaker 4: So I would probably say from like a course management perspective,
Speaker 4: he was probably behind on some of the conservatism with
Speaker 4: his approach shots, but agree with the speed and the
Speaker 4: aggression off of the tea. But it clearly looks to
Speaker 4: me like somebody that could have benefited from some better
Speaker 4: encourse decision making, which seems to be kind of go
Speaker 4: along with the general theme of having I think.
Speaker 2: The times though the times like course strategy and decision
Speaker 2: making like this was part of development of a tour
Speaker 2: pro like now for sure with the systems like the
Speaker 2: shot link data. This was pre shot link data. You
Speaker 2: didn't understand like it was like people's peaks were late twenties,
Speaker 2: early thirties, because that's when you like start to naturally
Speaker 2: figure out not to aim at flags, Like I like
Speaker 2: have this belief you figured that out as a golfer,
Speaker 2: but you know, now kids are figuring it out because
Speaker 2: they're being taught that at high school levels.
Speaker 5: Right, it's andy.
Speaker 3: It's also a skill. I mean, I think it's a
Speaker 3: skill to hit away from flags. I think aggressive players,
Speaker 3: you know, in human nature, see a flag and even
Speaker 3: if they're aiming away at it, in their mind the
Speaker 3: back of their head, they're thinking, you know, if the
Speaker 3: pins on the left side and there's water left and
Speaker 3: they're thinking of themselves, am thirty feet right, the aggressive
Speaker 3: mindset still wants to pull that shot right. And so
Speaker 3: that's actually a skill set to not in a way
Speaker 3: kind of blank the flag out from your brain. And
Speaker 3: I think it's one of those things that if Ak
Speaker 3: had played another six seven years consistently, he probably would
Speaker 3: have got a lot more comfortable.
Speaker 5: With doing that.
Speaker 3: You know, Like Tiger was one of the great players
Speaker 3: ever at conservative great shots, right, Yeah, people always think
Speaker 3: about Tiger as this dudeh would knock down flag sticks.
Speaker 3: Tiger was unbelievable at aim in twenty feet away from
Speaker 3: a flag in hitting it there.
Speaker 4: Totally agree Shane, and I think it requires a level
Speaker 4: of maturity and humility to aim away from a flag
Speaker 4: a little bit. And I was going back through some
Speaker 4: of his scorecards.
Speaker 5: Not a lot of humility in the scorecards.
Speaker 4: There's a lot of double bogies and birdies, And I
Speaker 4: think this gets talked about. College coaches allude to this,
Speaker 4: but when they see that upside that players are making
Speaker 4: eagles on par fives, and it's easier to clean up
Speaker 4: some of those double bogies and turn them into pars
Speaker 4: than it is to you know, coach, somebody's ceiling when
Speaker 4: they're making those eagles. So I think Anthony kim it
Speaker 4: kind of screams of that type of profile. So that
Speaker 4: and again lines up with his personality.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's I don't know, it's interesting to think
Speaker 2: about him as in a different era. I think, like
Speaker 2: we see this with almost all professional athletes two thousand
Speaker 2: and eight, Like give you compared to NBA players, Like
Speaker 2: NBA players today are so much more mature, Like they're
Speaker 2: so much more ready to handle, you know, being a
Speaker 2: professional athlete. And across the board in all sports, we've
Speaker 2: seen like the maturity and the professionalism of athletes get
Speaker 2: so much higher, right, Like there are just and I
Speaker 2: think like with golfers, it's the same thing, like we
Speaker 2: see like look at Ludwig Obert, right just comes right on,
Speaker 2: He's ready to go like, there's just so much more
Speaker 2: information and help to make these transitions than there there was,
Speaker 2: you know in at this time, right.
Speaker 3: And he can I throw something at you that I'm
Speaker 3: almost positive Joseph's not gonna remember. And I definitely didn't
Speaker 3: remember until about forty five minutes ago.
Speaker 5: Do you remember a show called Shaq Versus? Do you
Speaker 5: remember this at all?
Speaker 2: Yes, you do, vague very vaguely.
Speaker 3: Shack Versus was a show that Shack put on with
Speaker 3: ABC where he would battle other athletes at their own sports.
Speaker 3: This was Shack's goal was to say, I'm the best
Speaker 3: athlete in the world, okay, and he would like he
Speaker 3: threw footballs against Roethlisberger in one of the episodes. Now,
Speaker 3: he was terrible. He would lose every single time, but
Speaker 3: he did do it. A match on Shaq Versus. It
Speaker 3: was Shaq and Anthony Kim versus Charles Barkley playing left
Speaker 3: handed because he had such bad yifs that he had
Speaker 3: his swing lefty off the tee and his short game
Speaker 3: was righty. He played with Bubba and Ak and Shaq
Speaker 3: want in a playoff hole. Shaq made like a thirty
Speaker 3: foot curler and Ak went up to him to get
Speaker 3: all fired up. Shack almost went and jumped in the pod.
Speaker 3: I was watching highlights this morning of it. But like
Speaker 3: this was the celebrity of ak. Was this show where
Speaker 3: Shaquille O'Neal, you know, in the in the mid two
Speaker 3: thousands was as big a deal as that existed in sports,
Speaker 3: both physically and just his terms of his presence. He's
Speaker 3: picking Anthony Kim to be his partner on the show.
Speaker 2: So that's in his prime, he is, that's a very
Speaker 2: end of his prime, really right right, he's still playing
Speaker 2: in the NBA into like two thousand and nine. He
Speaker 2: had the weird thing I think he was.
Speaker 3: I think this was when he was on the Celtics.
Speaker 3: By the way I think Jack versus existed was he
Speaker 3: was a Celtics Shack.
Speaker 2: He had the Suns and Celtics Sarah, so weird.
Speaker 3: The Calves Shack. Jersey's got to be the weirdest. But yes,
Speaker 3: I digress.
Speaker 2: Post heaps, Shack is just a weird weird It's kind
Speaker 2: of like, yeah, all right, so a little bit more
Speaker 2: on two thousand and eight. It was my best year,
Speaker 2: he deadpans. As far as understanding myself anyway, not since
Speaker 2: Tiger had any American under twenty five to one twice
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour. Plus Wood says he did it
Speaker 2: on two great golf courses, Quail Hollow and Congressional.
Speaker 5: I knew you'd like that.
Speaker 3: Get granted, granted, you think about modern golf courses in
Speaker 3: professional golf, especially PGA Tour golf, like that's the layout,
Speaker 3: and he's winning on those kind of big boy golf
Speaker 3: courses that you know tend to favor long hitters. So
Speaker 3: I mean, in twenty twenty four, it seems like ak
Speaker 3: would have existed in a good place with the way
Speaker 3: golf is.
Speaker 2: Right, You want to know who he beat in the Wacovia,
Speaker 2: which was Quail Hollow and Congressional, which was the AT
Speaker 2: and T, which was Tiger's.
Speaker 4: I think I've got two thousand and I think what
Speaker 4: Kovia was, Ben Curtis correct.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so good?
Speaker 2: And then and then at AT and T dusted the
Speaker 2: junk man freddie Yakobsen.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, captain ball striker. I urge you, Andy.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you run the shotgun Start account
Speaker 3: or Frida Eg's social account, but they used to give
Speaker 3: out jackets if you won the Wacovia they were these
Speaker 3: they are so blue. I'd say they are like Duke
Speaker 3: blue devil blue jackets. And Ak's winning press conference, He's
Speaker 3: wearing this jacket. It is awful, an awful jacket, and God,
Speaker 3: I hope he still has it in his closet.
Speaker 2: Be a good question if you could ask him if
Speaker 2: he comes back, you know.
Speaker 5: Pres where's the blue jacket? Baby?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Do you have more on two thousand and eight, Andy, Yeah,
Speaker 4: a little.
Speaker 2: Bit more so, he would says he did it on
Speaker 2: two great golf courses. They're not exactly the easiest courses
Speaker 2: on tour, and he handled both of them. He's always
Speaker 2: had the talent. Now he has the experience of winning,
Speaker 2: and that breeds comp confidence. So that year, Kim wins twice.
Speaker 2: He gathered eight top ten to including a second place
Speaker 2: in three third, climbed his high as six in the world,
Speaker 2: finished the year six on the money list, and then
Speaker 2: at h at the Ryder Cup, he makes a big
Speaker 2: splash Ryder Cup rookie obviously the famous with him with
Speaker 2: the flag around him. He goes out first in Sunday
Speaker 2: singles and absolutely dust Sergio Garcia, just the American nemesis.
Speaker 2: He beats him. I think five and four in that
Speaker 2: in that match what.
Speaker 3: Walks by the way, that's that matches on YouTube. If
Speaker 3: you want to ever want to watch something late at
Speaker 3: night and you're missing out on something as football kind
Speaker 3: of wraps up, It's a great watch. I watched it
Speaker 3: this summer, but I don't know if you guys remember this.
Speaker 3: Ak didn't realize the match was over and was walking
Speaker 3: to the next screen and they had to like wave
Speaker 3: them back over. Jose, Maria and Sergio are actually laughing
Speaker 3: as he was literally like pounding pavement to go after me.
Speaker 3: I think I made about a ten footer to win
Speaker 3: the match and had no idea that he'd won the match.
Speaker 3: But I was diving a little into this Sandy about
Speaker 3: that moment that Ryder Cup, and there was some great
Speaker 3: Zinger stuff on Ak said he was our team leader,
Speaker 3: chip on the shoulder guy, you know a lot of
Speaker 3: that stuff he talked about. But he said he kept saying,
Speaker 3: I want to play Sergio. I want to play Sergio
Speaker 3: zing let me play Sergio. I'm gonnahoop his ass for
Speaker 3: you today, Captain, is what he said on the first
Speaker 3: t and Zinger said after the match ended, the first
Speaker 3: thing he said to him on the green after they
Speaker 3: all shook hands, he said, I told you I was
Speaker 3: gonna whoop his ass, like he wanted the best young
Speaker 3: European player, and he absolutely waxed the floor with them. So,
Speaker 3: you know, you talk about moments in his career outside
Speaker 3: of the Masters, I'm sure we'll get to eight.
Speaker 5: Was the moment like that was when Anthony Kimberly.
Speaker 2: Arrived, huge, huge moment. This is the pinnacle really of
Speaker 2: his career. This two thousand and eight. I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: run through the rest of this here. So two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, the big.
Speaker 3: Andy all on one second, Joseph, Joseph, do you have
Speaker 3: eight stats for him? Just like how good he was
Speaker 3: statistically or anything like that.
Speaker 4: Well, so I'll get to a little bit of that,
Speaker 4: I guess when when we talk about profiling with current player.
Speaker 4: But the only other notes I had on two thousand
Speaker 4: and eight that I thought were interesting yet some of
Speaker 4: the power courses, Quail Hollow Congressional gets his wins. He
Speaker 4: also finished runner up at Harbortown And like, that's right,
Speaker 4: not a course that you traditionally think of as being
Speaker 4: a bomber scores. It's not right it's more of a
Speaker 4: positional course, good short game, so interesting to see him
Speaker 4: do well there. And then I just thought the Tour
Speaker 4: Championship leader board was pretty funny. At East League in
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, you had Camilla Viegas beat Sergio
Speaker 4: in a playoff, Phil and Anthony Kim were tied for third,
Speaker 4: and then fourth place or fifth place was four shots
Speaker 4: behind them. So just like not Anthony Kim's year was
Speaker 4: really impressive and he didn't just show it in his
Speaker 4: two wins. I mean, he's a solid year throughout.
Speaker 2: Wait, wait, did he start at six under or.
Speaker 4: I believe it was a real tournament back then where
Speaker 4: everyone started at the same score.
Speaker 2: Okay, I just wanted to ask that leaderboard. Was that
Speaker 2: actually that great leaderboard? It's not just you know, was
Speaker 2: it just doctor to get that?
Speaker 4: Right now? Okay, answer your question. He was he Anthony
Speaker 4: Kim strokes gained like the raw unadjusted for strength to field,
Speaker 4: but he was gaining one point five to five strokes
Speaker 4: per round. In two thousand and eight, he was third
Speaker 4: on tour, So uh elite.
Speaker 2: That's uh yeah, it's something I two thousand and eight,
Speaker 2: that's the year to hold on to, right, so two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine, early two thousand and nine, makes eleven
Speaker 2: birdies in the second round of the Master, shoots sixty five.
Speaker 2: This could be you know, this could be like to
Speaker 2: Joseph's point, And maybe some of these birdies were because
Speaker 2: he was firing at every flag. Made eleven, but he
Speaker 2: probably made a lot of bogies. He shot sixty five.
Speaker 3: I think he made two bogies in a double, by
Speaker 3: the way, is what he did that day.
Speaker 5: I got a lot of stuff on this round. Do
Speaker 5: you want to hear it?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah, So he finished his third in that Masters.
Speaker 2: He beats an Nick Price's ten birdie record at Augusta, Nashville,
Speaker 2: So real quick.
Speaker 5: Who do you do?
Speaker 3: You guys remember who he played with in that round?
Speaker 3: Second round and he made eleven birdies.
Speaker 4: Sorry, great, he finished He finished third in the twenty
Speaker 4: ten Masters correct correct nine.
Speaker 5: He finished twentieth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when when he made the eleven birdies, he shot
Speaker 3: seventy five I think in the opening round, you know,
Speaker 3: he didn't play great.
Speaker 5: Then makes the eleven birdies playing.
Speaker 3: Alongside This is great for your little golf jeopardy class.
Speaker 3: Rio Ishikawa and a very young Rory McElroy. Wow, Rory
Speaker 3: up close, got to see the eleven birdies.
Speaker 5: There's a great story.
Speaker 3: I believe it was a to Share article about him
Speaker 3: talking his smiley about this at one point and he said,
Speaker 3: I got to see it up close. It was crazy.
Speaker 3: Did not birdie two? So doesn't birdie the second hole,
Speaker 3: the par five. And maybe the most impressive part about
Speaker 3: this the second round scoring average that day at the
Speaker 3: Masters seventy four eight four, the highest to be all
Speaker 3: week seventeen players in the field of ninety six broke Paul.
Speaker 3: Three of those rounds were under seventy and he shoots
Speaker 3: He shoots sixty five with eleven birdies. He birdied one, three, five, six, seven, eight, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen,
Speaker 3: and made a twelve foot on eighteen to break Nick
Speaker 3: Price's record.
Speaker 5: Crazy crazy stuff.
Speaker 3: It's actually like one of the great rounds that could
Speaker 3: also be considered a psycho scorecard, just with the double
Speaker 3: and the two bogies in there.
Speaker 2: Just unbelievable, unbelievable to make eleven birdies, Like I wonder
Speaker 2: how many birdies I wish I would have done this.
Speaker 2: He made en Root to a T twenty tournament, Like, but.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying, like that's what all of his
Speaker 4: scorecards look like. The Tour Championship in two thousand and eight,
Speaker 4: he has a sixty four and a seventy two in
Speaker 4: that tournament, Like that's what a lot of his results
Speaker 4: look like. It's on brand.
Speaker 2: So that year also he goes three and one at
Speaker 2: the President's Cup, the famous the famous match. Probably I
Speaker 2: think that probably the most enduring ak memory for me
Speaker 2: is this run in with Robert allenby none other than
Speaker 2: Robert Allen B, everybody's favorite Australian golf legend, stayed out
Speaker 2: till four, beat him what he allegedly allegedly stayed out
Speaker 2: till four and was deemed to be by Allen B sideways,
Speaker 2: And I.
Speaker 3: Think he came out and he said he shot did
Speaker 3: you say he shot sixty six and smoked me five
Speaker 3: and three or something. I mean it was some crazy
Speaker 3: round of golf that he put together.
Speaker 6: Yeah, just just laid laid the wood on him, just
Speaker 6: just smoked Allen B. And then, like to make the
Speaker 6: best part of this whole story is that they then
Speaker 6: met again in the World Match Play like a month later,
Speaker 6: and he beat Allen B.
Speaker 2: He drubbed him again. He just smoked him again in
Speaker 2: the World match play, and like Allen B at this
Speaker 2: time is like a top ten player. Like this is
Speaker 2: everybody thinks about, like Allen B when he's getting kicked
Speaker 2: out of you know, Quad City Casinos, and the obviously
Speaker 2: the the incident at the Sony, the alleged kidnapping, but
Speaker 2: that might have been just Allen B sideways at four am.
Speaker 2: Everybody thinks about that stage of ALLENB was like a
Speaker 2: certified like top top tier ball striker for a number
Speaker 2: of years. Like you can look go look at like
Speaker 2: ball striking stats from the mid two thousands and it
Speaker 2: is just like Robert Allenby, Robert ALLENB, Robert allen B,
Speaker 2: Robert ALLENB. Every year, so impressive wins especially, you know,
Speaker 2: given the circumstances. So final tour win comes twenty ten,
Speaker 2: the Houston Open. This is right before the Masters that
Speaker 2: he finished finished third in. So he wins the Houston Open.
Speaker 2: He becomes the fifth player in thirty years to have
Speaker 2: won three times on the PGA Tour before the age
Speaker 2: of twenty five, the others being Tiger Woods, Phil Mickelson,
Speaker 2: Sergio Garcia and Adam Scott Bona FIDE Hall of Fame list.
Speaker 3: And Andy that was around the time, and you know
Speaker 3: you mentioned that was like a refocus for him when
Speaker 3: he turned pro and went a little wild. There was
Speaker 3: also a refocus going into twenty ten. He apparently went
Speaker 3: to Vegas with his caddy and his coach and some
Speaker 3: buddies and they had this whole recommitment to golf and
Speaker 3: to practicing and to get into better shape. And in
Speaker 3: the ship Nut article, he said Ak wanted to buy
Speaker 3: I think it was like a Ferrari and a Porsche,
Speaker 3: but he said he couldn't do it because he had
Speaker 3: to be able to see sit four people in the
Speaker 3: car so they could all go do stuff together, like
Speaker 3: refocusing on golf. So they said he had to get
Speaker 3: a car that had four seats in it. But twenty ten,
Speaker 3: going into that season was when Ak kind of said
Speaker 3: enough is enough. Let's let's find a little bit more,
Speaker 3: you know, let's focus a little bit more on what
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do, you know, for a career. And
Speaker 3: you saw it a lot, and especially in his early
Speaker 3: early season play there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he finished third, then two, and then also
Speaker 2: you know, you know who is in the final group
Speaker 2: of the twenty ten Quail Hollow. Who was it Rory
Speaker 2: and Ak?
Speaker 5: Final group?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was first tour one for Rory.
Speaker 5: That's when he shot sixty one or whatever.
Speaker 2: It might not have been final group, but final round.
Speaker 2: They were paired together.
Speaker 4: Okay, Anthony Can finished what tied for seventh in that event.
Speaker 2: So yeah, but probably just final round.
Speaker 3: And by the way, just just one note on twenty
Speaker 3: ten Masters, I know you mentioned him finished third shot
Speaker 3: sixty five, final round there went on a run on
Speaker 3: the back where he birdied thirteen, BIRDI fourteen eagles fifteen,
Speaker 3: birdied sixteen and had a real chance there by the way,
Speaker 3: at that point, I think at the time when he
Speaker 3: made that eagle, he was a shot off the lead.
Speaker 3: So there was real buzz if you go back and
Speaker 3: watch that final round, there was real buzz around you know,
Speaker 3: the second nine there at the Masters that Ak might
Speaker 3: actually get this thing done.
Speaker 2: So after that, effectively, that's when the injury started hit.
Speaker 2: That's when the thumb injury. And it was really from
Speaker 2: there like kind of a downward kind of spiral at
Speaker 2: that point, and really we didn't see it wasn't really
Speaker 2: a downward spiral. It just was kind of over.
Speaker 4: I think there's a coincides with a pretty big drop
Speaker 4: in his driving distance, which you can imagine. And I
Speaker 4: don't know exactly when the driver yips really start, but
Speaker 4: I feel like that's become another trademark of Anthony Kim's career,
Speaker 4: is kind of getting the driver yips towards the end
Speaker 4: of his competitive career. Do you remember when that officially started?
Speaker 4: I mean the driving numbers start to get bad around
Speaker 4: mid twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the thumb injury, right, he
Speaker 2: talked about how he couldn't practice. So twenty twelve shipnuk
Speaker 2: SI article that may Kim vented his frustration to Doug
Speaker 2: Ferguson of the Associated Press, I hear it all the
Speaker 2: time across the locker room doors. I hear people what's
Speaker 2: going on with him. I hear a little comments he
Speaker 2: doesn't care about golf. Everyone has a reason to explain
Speaker 2: my struggle struggles. Well, no one knows the reason but me.
Speaker 2: I need to hit balls to practice, but I'm hurting
Speaker 2: myself by hitting more balls, so you can't practice, right, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, I know it's way lesser. I know it's a
Speaker 3: way lesser version of the guy I'm going to compare
Speaker 3: him to, but God, there's a lot of comps to
Speaker 3: Tiger with this guy. I mean, battling off the core stuff,
Speaker 3: yet still able to focus on the golf course and
Speaker 3: play elite level golf, hit it a lot longer than
Speaker 3: a lot of people could lean on the driver, and
Speaker 3: then you know, battle the injuries where he couldn't practice
Speaker 3: the amount he wanted to practice to continue to improve,
Speaker 3: get better and find a way to be competitive. And
Speaker 3: you know, Andy, I know we mentioned Rory a couple times,
Speaker 3: but it was literally as Ak was kind of peeking
Speaker 3: and then starting to fall off, was the moment that
Speaker 3: Rory was becoming Rory McElroy. And it was almost like
Speaker 3: he just missed that youthfulness of Sergio because he was
Speaker 3: five years younger than Sergio, you know, so he was
Speaker 3: playing Sergio as the young European, yet he just missed
Speaker 3: out on the true young European who was Rory at
Speaker 3: the time. So it was almost like he was just
Speaker 3: in this kind of very very small bubble between that
Speaker 3: Tiger Phil VJ. Sergio burst out of the scene, and
Speaker 3: then that new crop of guys like Jordan. I mean,
Speaker 3: I think he got his PJ Torquard oft of Q
Speaker 3: School at Jason Day. I think Jason Day got his
Speaker 3: card the same year or just missed out the same
Speaker 3: year that Ak got through Q School, So that gives
Speaker 3: you a good idea of the age of the players
Speaker 3: he was battling with.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, he was the precursor really to
Speaker 2: Rory and Ricky. He was like, I think we we
Speaker 2: talk about youth on tour and it was him, Jason Day,
Speaker 2: Rory and Ricky were that new crop, and he was
Speaker 2: right at the forefront. He was the the that young talent,
Speaker 2: that young Tiger Woods inspired talent really is Anthony Kim
Speaker 2: is right at the front line of it. And that's
Speaker 2: probably like what should be as enduring legacy is like
Speaker 2: he was the first of that youth wave, Right, It's
Speaker 2: like the it's like the high school kids in the
Speaker 2: NBA draft a little bit, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that one generation of those guys that we're
Speaker 3: all going to remember and think about, the Garnett's, the Kobe's.
Speaker 3: This guy can't play. What is Kobe doing coming out
Speaker 3: of the draft early? And obviously he kind of battle
Speaker 3: himself and it worked out. And I feel like for
Speaker 3: Ak to your point in that story about wanting to
Speaker 3: spend one year at Oklahoma and his mom wanted him
Speaker 3: to stay a little bit longer. I mean, this was
Speaker 3: a guy that kind of saw the future ahead of
Speaker 3: everybody else, and he knew how talented he was. And
Speaker 3: it just feels like Joseph As You're diving into the
Speaker 3: numbers and they're so small, right, you don't have a
Speaker 3: lot to go on, and they're not nearly as in
Speaker 3: depth as twenty twenty four data. But looking at who
Speaker 3: Ak was on the golf course, I pulled up his
Speaker 3: stuff this morning.
Speaker 5: I mean, this.
Speaker 3: Dude's like top five, not just top ten, He's like
Speaker 3: top five in these important categories in his prime, you know,
Speaker 3: kind of across the board.
Speaker 5: It's pretty impressive.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, I don't know, Andy, if you have much
Speaker 4: more that you want to wrap up.
Speaker 2: I just have a little bit of aout, like the
Speaker 2: space from from twenty twelve till now, which is like injuries,
Speaker 2: it's just been right, injuries and then obviously the insurance policy.
Speaker 2: So like the main reason that is believe they never
Speaker 2: made a return was he took out an insurance policy
Speaker 2: against injury where he was paying pretty significant amount for
Speaker 2: this premium, it's rumored to be upwards of ten. I
Speaker 2: think like people are saying ten now, but it was
Speaker 2: believed to be more like twenty. I think from what
Speaker 2: I read like in the moment, I don't know what
Speaker 2: it ends up being. Where then he started to receive
Speaker 2: monthly payments from this insurance policy and if he returned
Speaker 2: to professional golf, then the insurance policy is void. He
Speaker 2: has to pay back the amount. So that's been one
Speaker 2: thing that's kept him out of this and what is
Speaker 2: attractive with live But like, let's go so twenty twelve
Speaker 2: ship Nut article. How's Kim spending his time these days?
Speaker 2: Lots of Sports Center, says his friend, Lots of Golf channel.
Speaker 2: Kim's relentless relentlessness is palpable. He still has a passion,
Speaker 2: says the friend. He always is talking about golf. He
Speaker 2: wants to be out there. He misses it. In fact,
Speaker 2: on Thursday through Sunday, Kim is usually in front of
Speaker 2: a TV monitoring tour telecast. It's kind of sad to see,
Speaker 2: says the friend. Sometimes I want to grab him, shake
Speaker 2: him and yell, what the hell are you doing? You're
Speaker 2: Anthony Kim, Get off the damn couch and get out
Speaker 2: there and find your game. That's an interesting quote with
Speaker 2: the find your game, right, because then in twenty fifteen
Speaker 2: there's a Doug Ferguson article AP and I think there
Speaker 2: are the Palm Desert Report Golf reporter help with this
Speaker 2: a little bit too. Anthony Kim got interviewed. I didn't actually,
Speaker 2: I didn't have a recollection of this article either. Okay,
Speaker 2: so he said, I'm going to step away from the
Speaker 2: game for a little while and get my body pieced
Speaker 2: together instead of going from an Achilles' injury to try
Speaker 2: and to try to go one eighty miles per hour
Speaker 2: and not fixing the problem. I've got so much ground
Speaker 2: to make up from injuries rotator, cuff, labram, spinal few.
Speaker 2: I did not know that hand injury. I've had six
Speaker 2: or seven surgeries the last three and a half years.
Speaker 2: I had no recollection of this article or the spinal
Speaker 2: fusion like that's I mean, that's obviously we know everybody
Speaker 2: knows spinal fusion because of Tiger, But like if he
Speaker 2: had a spinal fusion, I mean that that's a whole
Speaker 2: new thing to discuss with like the prospects of him
Speaker 2: coming back right. He said he's getting monthly payments from
Speaker 2: insurance policy took out five years ago in case he
Speaker 2: was injured, but he denied speculation that the policy was
Speaker 2: a factor that it was keeping him from returning to
Speaker 2: the PGA tour. I paid well into the mid six
Speaker 2: figures for this policy, said they wouldn't have paid me
Speaker 2: every month had I had not been to the doctor
Speaker 2: showing them all my X rays, doing all the treatment,
Speaker 2: the acupuncture twice a day for physical therapy. He also
Speaker 2: explained his abrupt departure from Quail Hollow after shooting seventy four.
Speaker 2: Back in to twenty twelve. Kim said he ignored his
Speaker 2: summons for drug testing when he walked to the parking lot,
Speaker 2: though he eventually was tested, so he got a bad
Speaker 2: rap because people said he was trying to duck out
Speaker 2: from a drug test. I was mad about how I played.
Speaker 2: I injured myself again. I ended up coming back and
Speaker 2: taking the test. He said. I've never tested positive for
Speaker 2: anything since I've been on the PGA tour whenever the
Speaker 2: drug testing started. Never, and they tested me more than anyone.
Speaker 2: These rumors tainted my reputation and I didn't have a
Speaker 2: great one to begin with. Kim had no idea he
Speaker 2: would be gone this long. He played golf with Phil
Speaker 2: Mickelson at Madison Club in the California Desert. He rented
Speaker 2: a house in San Diego to prepare for the twenty
Speaker 2: thirteen season. He said he was up at five am
Speaker 2: every day to train when his achilles achilles tendon popped.
Speaker 2: Once he recovered from the leg, he had a herniated disk,
Speaker 2: and the injuries piled up. Golf moved on without him.
Speaker 2: He has a major medical exemption he can use if
Speaker 2: he ever returns. Kim would have to earn one hundred
Speaker 2: and thirteen thousand and sixteen events to keep his car.
Speaker 2: And then last thing Chris got her up was on
Speaker 2: the subpar Pod. You know who is actually like best
Speaker 2: friends with Ak His closest friend Kasey Witberg, right, Well,
Speaker 2: that and Colt Nohosed.
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, yeah, Colt was close with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's the host of the subbar Pod. Apparently
Speaker 2: like he kind of like ghosted Colt. I saw that
Speaker 2: in the Shipnuk article where he was you know, Colt
Speaker 2: was like, I haven't really talked to him since he
Speaker 2: left his I haven't seen him, and they were apparently
Speaker 2: like the best friends. So it'd be interesting to hear
Speaker 2: Colt talk about that if if they ever, if they
Speaker 2: kicked to it on like the broadcast or something, or
Speaker 2: on the subpart pod which got Chris got her up
Speaker 2: Oklahoma legend, who's a rookie on the PGA Tour. The
Speaker 2: one thing got her up did reveal is that, according
Speaker 2: to his coach, Ak now thirty seven still has some
Speaker 2: serious game. He said, even to this day, when Kim
Speaker 2: comes up and hits balls, it's almost sad because he
Speaker 2: still has He's still so good good and no one
Speaker 2: is able to see it. But he said Kim was
Speaker 2: also a freak of nature. He was so good. So
Speaker 2: it's interesting. Maybe he's been in Norman hitting balls like
Speaker 2: and I bet they have like you know, like those
Speaker 2: college programs have these tests, like they know they measure
Speaker 2: against all this stuff. I'd be curious if Hibbel, the
Speaker 2: coach at Texas, has like some fairly recent AK numbers,
Speaker 2: like how he compares to some of his players, some
Speaker 2: tour players. So that's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, i'd heard so one of the one of my
Speaker 3: stories that i'd heard. You know, I grew up in
Speaker 3: East Texas. Still have somebodies that live in the Dallas
Speaker 3: area and one of my favorite Ak rumored stories. Obviously
Speaker 3: this is coming from friends that know people, but I
Speaker 3: think it was about five or six years ago. And
Speaker 3: as the story goes, Ak was at a bar with
Speaker 3: some buddies and a little bit like in the scene
Speaker 3: in Nodding Hill, you know when he's out to dinner
Speaker 3: with Julie Roberts and the table next to it's talking
Speaker 3: about Julia Roberts character and she goes over. Apparently there
Speaker 3: was some guys sitting near Ak talking about Anthony Kim,
Speaker 3: the legend that is Anthony Kim, and much like in
Speaker 3: the Notting Hill movie, they started to talk about all
Speaker 3: the reasons he didn't play golf, and I guess it
Speaker 3: started to piss Ak off. And he'd spent apparently spent
Speaker 3: the next month like eight nine hours a day on
Speaker 3: the golf course practicing, and he was going to come
Speaker 3: back and make a return, and his friends basically said,
Speaker 3: you're gonna have to make you know, thirty million dollars
Speaker 3: on the tour to make up for what you've taken
Speaker 3: from this insurance policy. His friends being kind of the
Speaker 3: sounding board, if you will, to make sure he didn't
Speaker 3: take a return and have to give the tour thirty
Speaker 3: mil and have to make it all up.
Speaker 5: But you know, I mean, I think.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. The policy was tax free, so went
Speaker 2: Wright with. So when you do the math of agents,
Speaker 2: coaches travel all that, like, people are like, oh, it's
Speaker 2: ten million, ten million or twenty million, twenty million. It's
Speaker 2: actually what he would have to earn on the Stanley were.
Speaker 3: Almost probably double what he got out of the out
Speaker 3: of the policy. So you know, I mean I said this,
Speaker 3: I did. I did the Nolan up Wraps show on
Speaker 3: Saturday Night with KAVV and Porter and I mentioned this
Speaker 3: on there. We're talking about AK but you know, listen
Speaker 3: and Joel Beal wrote this for Digest and I agreed
Speaker 3: with a lot of what he wrote. I mean, we
Speaker 3: live in this Anthony Kim two thousand and seven, two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight world right, and it's twenty twenty four.
Speaker 3: And I said this on the Nole and up Pod Joseph,
Speaker 3: because I think it's important to look back at how far,
Speaker 3: you know, back we go at eight the Ryder Cup team,
Speaker 3: the moment of Anthony Kim's career, the one we all
Speaker 3: remember The team he was on was Phil Stuart Saint,
Speaker 3: Kenny Perry, Jim Furick, Justin Leonard, Ben Curtis, Boo, Weekly Stricker, Mayhan, JB. Holmes,
Speaker 3: and Chad Campbell. I mean that is that is a
Speaker 3: tour of the past, right, That is not what modern
Speaker 3: professional golf looks like. And the players he was going
Speaker 3: up against really outside of Sergio, I mean Padrick and
Speaker 3: Westwood and Incident and Carlson. That's literally it's like he's
Speaker 3: playing the matter of six Eraser of Palter Paul Casey
Speaker 3: on that team, Like this was the I mean, this
Speaker 3: was what OA golf looked like, right, And we're talking
Speaker 3: about twenty twenty four and the top ten in.
Speaker 5: The world being really young, and.
Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of the stuff float around to
Speaker 3: like comparable aged players. I think there were three players
Speaker 3: in that same age group that won last season on
Speaker 3: the PGA Tour, Like thirty eight is old and I
Speaker 3: hope grew, Yeah, like Rose and Brian Harmon is around
Speaker 3: that age, and that was kind of it, Like this
Speaker 3: isn't what golf was in eight in a lot of ways.
Speaker 5: And the main.
Speaker 3: Point of this is people that are dominant and professional
Speaker 3: golver for right now are between the ages of twenty
Speaker 3: two and twenty six, and Anthony Kumm is not twenty
Speaker 3: six anymore.
Speaker 5: I mean he's it's.
Speaker 2: Important important to There's one outlier, and that's Rory McElroy
Speaker 2: who continues to remain the a monster off the tee,
Speaker 2: and I think that's you know, that's the big question
Speaker 2: about AK. It's like if he's still, if he's if
Speaker 2: he has gained no yardage or lost yardage, this is
Speaker 2: we shouldn't even be talking about. It's right.
Speaker 4: I would push that prime back a little bit, Shane.
Speaker 4: I think like twenty two to twenty six feels a
Speaker 4: little young to me, But I agree with the the
Speaker 4: broader point that not only is he older, but I
Speaker 4: think he has now lived through an era that's completely changed,
Speaker 4: and the last five or six years the speed increases.
Speaker 4: What's coming on in twenty twenty four, we're already seeing
Speaker 4: it with some of these young golfers coming out. Expecting
Speaker 4: Anthony Kim to be strong off the tee, I think
Speaker 4: is a bit far fetched. So I'd never want to
Speaker 4: say never, but I'm not as optimistic about his return.
Speaker 4: Can I give you the comp that I came up
Speaker 4: with for who his his player might be, which player
Speaker 4: he might most closely resemble?
Speaker 3: Is this is this a modern player? This is like
Speaker 3: a current player and professional off current.
Speaker 4: Player and professional golf. I was thinking a lot about this.
Speaker 4: It's really hard because of how short his career is,
Speaker 4: but I think a golfer that I've actually gotten comfortable.
Speaker 4: I think this is the correct comparison. The hyped prospect
Speaker 4: success right away and then a bunch of success once
Speaker 4: he gets his feet wet. His career didn't turn out
Speaker 4: as prolific as the golfer I'm going to compare him to.
Speaker 4: But I actually think Anthony Kim and Justin Thomas have
Speaker 4: quite a bit in common. And where I was going
Speaker 4: with that. Anthony Kim makes his debut in two thousand
Speaker 4: and six, but his first full season is two thousand
Speaker 4: and seven, Like that's really when his professional career starts.
Speaker 4: He gets to world number six within a year and
Speaker 4: a half, So like October of two thousand and eight,
Speaker 4: a year and a half into his career, he's world
Speaker 4: number six. Justin Thomas plays his first full season on
Speaker 4: the PGA Tour in twenty fifteen, gets to world number
Speaker 4: eight in two years so January of twenty seventeen, kind
Speaker 4: of similar start to their careers. In their first ten Majors,
Speaker 4: Anthony Kim makes nine cuts, two top tens, and his
Speaker 4: tenth major championship is a solo third at the Masters,
Speaker 4: and Justin Thomas's first ten Majors he makes eight cuts,
Speaker 4: two top tens, and his tenth start is a win
Speaker 4: at Quail Hollow, where Anthony Kim won his first tournament.
Speaker 4: I think the power off of the tea, the ball striking,
Speaker 4: the success in the team events go sorry, the aggression
Speaker 4: like the as of their game, the ability to shoot
Speaker 4: fifty nine like Justin Thomas has Anthony Kim rattling off
Speaker 4: eleven birdies. I think there's quite a bit of similarity
Speaker 4: in their games. Obviously, Justin Thomas has gone on to
Speaker 4: have a monster career compared to what Anthony Kim has accomplished.
Speaker 4: So I don't think it's a perfect comparison and how
Speaker 4: things panned out, but I kind of think from a
Speaker 4: stylistic perspective and what some of their stats look like,
Speaker 4: I kind of like that comparison. So I was curious
Speaker 4: with Andy and Shane what you guys think about that.
Speaker 2: One both left left school early.
Speaker 4: Yeah, young start.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like that. I think think that's actually like
Speaker 2: a very like when you think about like what draws
Speaker 2: people to Justin Thomas Bandam, it is the wide array
Speaker 2: of shot making, right, There's a there's an electricity to
Speaker 2: the way he plays golf.
Speaker 5: You know, it feels like too.
Speaker 3: I mean, you could even dive deeper Joseph past just
Speaker 3: what they look like on the golf course. I would
Speaker 3: even go into personality, you know. I mean I feel
Speaker 3: like Ak. I mean going back to Shaq Versus, which
Speaker 3: I know is a silly show on TV, but Ak
Speaker 3: is the guy that Shaq picks to be his teammate.
Speaker 3: Justin Thomas is one of those guys that seems to
Speaker 3: translate well with other athletes, right, Other athletes like his style,
Speaker 3: like his confidence as Bravado, those types of things seem
Speaker 3: to work well outside of just the golf room. And
Speaker 3: it feels like Ak had a lot of similarities in
Speaker 3: that world, right, the way he carried himself, you know,
Speaker 3: the way he pulled off golf shots no matter the moment.
Speaker 3: You hear other athletes talk about Anthony Kim in his prime,
Speaker 3: and it's glowing responses right. I mean other golfers talking
Speaker 3: about Anthony Kim and they gush about him, you hear,
Speaker 3: you know, some of the older players. I mean, I
Speaker 3: remember Phil Michelson talking about j T, you know, in
Speaker 3: that twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen run, and how
Speaker 3: how impressed he was with JT at such a young age.
Speaker 3: So it almost feels like just even outside of their
Speaker 3: games and coming out of college into pro golf, it
Speaker 3: feels like just his personality people, they had a little
Speaker 3: more than just your everyday good player on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 4: I agree. And the I even think with some of
Speaker 4: the driver yips, like we've seen Justin Thomas get a
Speaker 4: little bit stray with the driver Like just looking at
Speaker 4: their stats high level, they do kind of line up.
Speaker 4: I mean, when Anthony Kim came on to professional golf scene,
Speaker 4: he was between tenth and sixteenth in his first three
Speaker 4: years on tour, and driving distance was pretty consistently around
Speaker 4: three hundred yards. Justin thomas first full year was fifteenth
Speaker 4: and kind of hovered between fifteenth and eighth to twelfth
Speaker 4: over the first couple of years of his career. I
Speaker 4: think the profile tracks pretty well, also chokes up on
Speaker 4: his golf club like AK does. So there you go,
Speaker 4: there you go.
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe maybe JT was you know, he always talks
Speaker 2: about Tiger, but Ak was actually JT's inspiration.
Speaker 3: Right, the true school of hard knocks was just the
Speaker 3: Ak School of hard knocks for JT.
Speaker 2: It would match up, match up age wise, right, true?
Speaker 4: So what do you guys think about is comeback? What
Speaker 4: are realistic expectations?
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the hard part is I just feel
Speaker 3: like it's so unknown. You know, skys take two years
Speaker 3: off and three years off and you can at least
Speaker 3: have an idea of who they're going to be on
Speaker 3: the golf course. But twelve years it's a it's a lifetime.
Speaker 3: It's a lifetime for pro athletes. Is this here's my
Speaker 3: question to you guys in this same vein. Is there
Speaker 3: even a comp to this? Is there a comp to
Speaker 3: somebody's taken more than a decade away from pro sport
Speaker 3: and coming back and attempting to be good at it again.
Speaker 3: I think there's been times they've taken a year or
Speaker 3: two off, but not twelve years. I can't think of
Speaker 3: a single athlete.
Speaker 2: That lorenochoa comeback for like a tournament.
Speaker 5: I think so. I mean, I think she played in
Speaker 5: her event right on the LPGA Tour.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like after like ten years, ten years away or
Speaker 2: something like. That's the only only thing that jumps to mind. Like,
Speaker 2: obviously the Tiger stuff is somewhat instructive, but you're talking
Speaker 2: about the greatest player ever in like one to two
Speaker 2: year absences, not twelve years twelve years.
Speaker 4: If he had like some bad accident when he was
Speaker 4: sixteen and he was coming back at age twenty six,
Speaker 4: I'd be much more optimistic about what this could look like.
Speaker 4: But he he's thirty eight years old, and the game
Speaker 4: is way way different now than what it used to be. Like,
Speaker 4: I think if he got to if he played a
Speaker 4: full schedule and got to like thirty fifth in the world,
Speaker 4: it'd be an unbelievable accomplishment. And that feels really far
Speaker 4: fetched to me.
Speaker 5: It seems so tough to do.
Speaker 3: I will say this, I mean, if you're thinking about
Speaker 3: this completely unique situation, right an athlete, you know, stepping
Speaker 3: away from the game at a young age and try
Speaker 3: to come back when he's near in the age of forty,
Speaker 3: there's nothing better for somebody than what live offers right now,
Speaker 3: you know, you think about the fields are smaller, You've
Speaker 3: got probably twenty five guys, the guaranteed money. You probably
Speaker 3: feel comfortable that you can beat twenty guys a week.
Speaker 3: Even if you aren't that good anymore, you might be
Speaker 3: able to beat twenty players. And then if you're you
Speaker 3: get on John Ram's team. Let's just throw that out there.
Speaker 3: Let's say he's on rams team in a couple of
Speaker 3: months and your team wins a couple times throughout the season. Financially,
Speaker 3: it all makes sense to me. Anthony Kim has always
Speaker 3: looked like a guy that lived on confidence, and then
Speaker 3: the moment the injury started to pile up, he was
Speaker 3: super scared of what coming back might look like. And
Speaker 3: we've all been there. We've all taken time away from
Speaker 3: the gym or running or playing competitive golf or whatever,
Speaker 3: or dating or whatever the case may be as a human,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, you want to get back
Speaker 3: in the pool, and you go, I hope I can
Speaker 3: still do this again. It's scary to jump into that world.
Speaker 3: But you know, you read the ship Nuck article, Andy,
Speaker 3: and I mean he ends at that, right, he iNTS
Speaker 3: at the fact that there was an there was ego
Speaker 3: to be smashed. If you're Anthony Kim, if you come
Speaker 3: back and you suck and you hit it two seventy
Speaker 3: and you can't compete anymore, then all that's made up
Speaker 3: about who you were as a pro and the legacy
Speaker 3: and the hour we've talked about it on this podcast
Speaker 3: and beyond goes away because the end of your chapter,
Speaker 3: the end of the book is and he came back
Speaker 3: to pro golf and he sucked, right, So he's got
Speaker 3: to at least accept the fact that that could be
Speaker 3: that could be a thing here.
Speaker 2: I think like the popular, the unpopular right answer of
Speaker 2: all this is Anthony Kim probably shouldn't come back because
Speaker 2: it's more romantic if he just stays away, and we'll
Speaker 2: always be able to hold on to that like burst
Speaker 2: of stardom at a time when Tiger was injured, you know,
Speaker 2: like Tiger. This was like kind of like he came
Speaker 2: on right when Tiger started to have the injury off
Speaker 2: the course issues, right, and he became this ray of
Speaker 2: hope and bridged us to Rory McElroy, right. And I
Speaker 2: think like when you think about it, it's that's the
Speaker 2: thing that probably makes the most sense is him to
Speaker 2: stay away, stay this full hero that like left golf
Speaker 2: too early. And you know, but if he does come back,
Speaker 2: I think lives the only the only option for him
Speaker 2: from the insurance money. You know that I saw trele
Speaker 2: Hatton just today, got what sixty seven million dollars to
Speaker 2: go there or something about that if I apologize, it
Speaker 2: might be sixty three million American dollars to go to live.
Speaker 2: You know, they could cut him a check for thirty
Speaker 2: million dollars and you know, and and he could play.
Speaker 2: And you think about like, like you said, like those
Speaker 2: fields are are gettable, right, Like I would have a
Speaker 2: hard time believing, uh Anthony Kim would be able to
Speaker 2: go out and consistently make cuts on on the PGA Tour.
Speaker 2: I think he could be not the worst player on live.
Speaker 2: He could be one of you know, not he could
Speaker 2: be above the bottom five on live. When you start
Speaker 2: to look through the players, I mean, you got West,
Speaker 2: he's getting into his into into his fifties, like he
Speaker 2: is into his fifties. You've got a lot of young
Speaker 2: guys that are going to be a little volidile, that
Speaker 2: are learning how to be professional golfers. You've got you know,
Speaker 2: you just have Graham McDowell, right, Like I think he
Speaker 2: can play with Graham McDowell at this point in his career, right,
Speaker 2: Maybe I don't know. We haven't seen much of him,
Speaker 2: but you start to look through the roster of live players,
Speaker 2: like the bottom half of Live. The top half of
Speaker 2: Live now is really good, quite good, but the bottom
Speaker 2: half of Live is not is still pretty weak. So
Speaker 2: it's like, you know, could he go in there and
Speaker 2: have a finish twentieth and make a lot of money? Yeah,
Speaker 2: and we're gonna see it. Like I think, like the
Speaker 2: thing is not not about going out and shooting low rounds.
Speaker 2: I still think he could go out shoot low rounds
Speaker 2: if he's a shell of what he used to be.
Speaker 2: It's it's just stringing together if it's lived, three good
Speaker 2: rounds right to both of.
Speaker 4: Your points, which I think the no cut thing is
Speaker 4: a very attractive piece of returning to live versus returning
Speaker 4: to the PGA tour knowing you're gonna get three competitive
Speaker 4: rounds psychologically versus getting cut. I think if you're trying
Speaker 4: to rehab, it's a little easier to go back when
Speaker 4: you know you're gonna get three rounds and then you
Speaker 4: know you can take some positive momentum from shooting a
Speaker 4: good third round score that moves you up six spots,
Speaker 4: like it's just a little bit easier to rehab under
Speaker 4: those conditions.
Speaker 3: I would say that in terms of the best possible
Speaker 3: marriage for both Live and Anthony Kim, it's probably Live
Speaker 3: in Anthony Kim. You know, you think about what Live needs.
Speaker 3: Live needs something to make us want to watch, right,
Speaker 3: because they've yet to get a golfer, even with Rom
Speaker 3: going there, they've yet to get a golfer. I think
Speaker 3: that's making the everyday golf and want to find it
Speaker 3: on TV and turn it on no matter what time
Speaker 3: zone it's in. And I've got to watch this. Anthony
Speaker 3: Kim's playing golf and they're playing in Singapore or Australia
Speaker 3: or Paris or whatever the case may be. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: wake up and watch that first round. I'm gonna watch
Speaker 3: that first tournament.
Speaker 5: Andy.
Speaker 3: I think you said on the shot and Start, you're
Speaker 3: thinking four to five events. You know they will benefit
Speaker 3: on the back end of But if you're thinking about
Speaker 3: Anthony Kim here Joseph's point on the cut is true.
Speaker 3: But also if he plays terrible then aren't we just
Speaker 3: gonna forget that he's doing it, Like he'll just be
Speaker 3: another person that's playing on Live that finishes fortieth. I
Speaker 3: mean I don't I don't remember. I couldn't name the
Speaker 3: bottom fifteen guys to live right now, there's no chance
Speaker 3: to see what we're able to name it.
Speaker 5: Well, that's the bottom guy.
Speaker 2: Remember remember when Kobe did the Farewell Tour and this
Speaker 2: is like I'm not comparing him to Kobe, but like
Speaker 2: Kobe's out there and it was like big for like
Speaker 2: certain stops at certain cities, but like for the most part,
Speaker 2: it's just Kobe playing hero ball every single night. Everything
Speaker 2: it got really really old, really fast, right, Like yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: So like with Anthony KIV, like there there will be
Speaker 2: this like this interest right off the bat. But if
Speaker 2: he's not competitive, it just is going to be. Oh,
Speaker 2: he's playing the spectacle. And this is where if he
Speaker 2: just never plays again, he will be held in this
Speaker 2: high regard. Right we talked about that end of Shack's career.
Speaker 2: This is the perfect example. Like you get these years
Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics, the Phoenix Suns, you know, like these
Speaker 2: obscure places they played for, and he just wasn't Shack right.
Speaker 4: Can I take the other side of that though, really quickly, Andy, Yeah,
Speaker 4: isn't what we love about sports though, somebody wanting to
Speaker 4: defy the odds, not to be overly romantic about it,
Speaker 4: but and saying, you know what, I do want to
Speaker 4: come back. And Shane's story about him hearing from another
Speaker 4: dinner table that people are doubting him coming back. I
Speaker 4: think that's also kind of what Live needs is a
Speaker 4: player that's in it for competitive reasons, not taking a payout,
Speaker 4: like who's in it to show what they still have?
Speaker 4: And we've seen Camilla Viegis, somebody who's older than Anthony
Speaker 4: Kim like Win recently. It's not out of the realm
Speaker 4: of possibilities. And I think that little glimmer of hope
Speaker 4: is what makes Worts entertaining. So even if I'm pessimistic
Speaker 4: about what it looks like, I'm absolutely here for the show.
Speaker 3: Joseph, I would say this, I think it's the first
Speaker 3: golfer to go to Live that's going to be hungry.
Speaker 3: I think that's the big part of the Anthony Kin
Speaker 3: story is every single person that's gone to Lives Belly
Speaker 3: is full right. They got a big amount of money
Speaker 3: paid off the top. They're going to this toury either
Speaker 3: because they're past their prime, or they wanted to check
Speaker 3: and they wanted to maybe play less golf or whatever.
Speaker 3: You know, we've heard over the last two years from
Speaker 3: all these golfers this. There's an argument to be made
Speaker 3: that this is the first person that would be going
Speaker 3: to Live that would be hungry for results.
Speaker 5: And that's good.
Speaker 2: That's k that's Karen and Vincent slander and I won't
Speaker 2: stand for it.
Speaker 5: I think he made that name up. I think he
Speaker 5: made that name up.
Speaker 2: He won school. I'm just kidding, don't you Darek talk
Speaker 2: about eu gdo Chakara like that? I just like it.
Speaker 3: You know, it would be so fun if he was
Speaker 3: competitive in golf. But this is as the big a
Speaker 3: win as Live's gonna ever have. And I said this
Speaker 3: a couple of days ago. I can't believe this didn't
Speaker 3: happen off the top. I can't believe Live didn't offer
Speaker 3: him an insane amount of money off the top to
Speaker 3: go right when they started, because again, that would have
Speaker 3: made people watch, and that would have made people care.
Speaker 3: And as I think about Live in whatever its next iteration,
Speaker 3: is gonna be. Why aren't they trying to get more
Speaker 3: of this? And when I say this, I mean not
Speaker 3: just pro golfers, Like why not go get John Smoltz
Speaker 3: and pay him two million a year to play live
Speaker 3: golf and just so people can say, here's Smoltz, let's
Speaker 3: see how he compares against actual pro golfers. Like it
Speaker 3: might it might be a circus act, but at least
Speaker 3: it's something to it's something different.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll disagree that. I think what earnestly Anthony Kim
Speaker 4: could represent is watching a live tournament and saying, hey,
Speaker 4: does this golfer have what it takes to win to
Speaker 4: be competitive in a major? Again, I don't feel that
Speaker 4: way about somebody like Brooks Koepka, who's been pretty clear
Speaker 4: that those are regular season events to him, whether it
Speaker 4: was PJ Tour or live not necessarily an indication of
Speaker 4: how he's gonna do in a major. Versus watching Anthony
Speaker 4: Kim would feel like you're watching it for competitive reasons,
Speaker 4: and I think that's what live needs. So John Smoltz
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have that same. I know John Smoltz can't
Speaker 4: play in a major championship, but if Anthony Kim goes
Speaker 4: out and puts up some really strong results on Live,
Speaker 4: four or five of them in a row. Your brain
Speaker 4: would start to go there, and I think that's what
Speaker 4: Live needs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I mean it's fascinating. I think we
Speaker 2: all agree that lives the only place for him right now.
Speaker 3: Andy, did you ever see ak in person? Did you
Speaker 3: ever see him play in person? Go to a tournament
Speaker 3: he was in.
Speaker 2: I don't think I did. I did not.
Speaker 4: I was trying to the bridge then some of the fires.
Speaker 5: I was trying to think today.
Speaker 2: That's the end of my collegiate life. I would say
Speaker 2: that that was like the moment in Anthony Kimm's moment
Speaker 2: in time. Early twenties was when I was most disconnected
Speaker 2: with the sport. I would watch you know on on
Speaker 2: the weekend, but I was, you know, I was early twenties,
Speaker 2: all right.
Speaker 3: Feel like I might have seen him in Arizona at
Speaker 3: one point. I do remember that I went to the
Speaker 3: Tucson Open when I was in college with my daily
Speaker 3: Wildcat credential to watch Ty Tryon when he was having
Speaker 3: his year on tour and followed him for eighteen holes.
Speaker 3: And that was when he was the Massimo target guy,
Speaker 3: and that was one of those you know, there was
Speaker 3: only like fifteen people out there watching him, but I
Speaker 3: was so fired up to see how he do. But
Speaker 3: I can't distinctly remember a moment when I saw AK
Speaker 3: up close. Maybe I've seen him in Phoenix one time
Speaker 3: or twice.
Speaker 2: I do feel like, you know, what you said about
Speaker 2: the way players, big big time players talked about Ak
Speaker 2: is so drastically different than other like flash and like
Speaker 2: you can't find ty Trion quotes like that. You can't
Speaker 2: find rio Ishikawa quotes like that, right, Like they are
Speaker 2: few and far between when you get somebody like Phil
Speaker 2: talking like that about somebody. All right, we're gonna we're
Speaker 2: gonna start a new little segment for this Tuesday or Monday,
Speaker 2: whenever you listen to this show that we're doing this year.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have a closing segment here where we just
Speaker 2: come up with recommendation. So, Shane, you got a recommendation
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 5: I do.
Speaker 3: This is not sponsored. This is just something I think
Speaker 3: is excellent. You guys know, electro light water is like
Speaker 3: a big thing right now. And you pour the packets
Speaker 3: and stuff in your water, you know that's big. The
Speaker 3: element mango chili salt one. I know it sounds weird,
Speaker 3: but James Nitty's got me on this last year during
Speaker 3: corn Fairy. It's like the best tasting thing I've ever
Speaker 3: had in my life. And so like, I'm drinking it
Speaker 3: right now and you pour it in there. But listen,
Speaker 3: I know when you think about flavoring, you go a
Speaker 3: lot of different ways than mango chili for a flavor
Speaker 3: of your water.
Speaker 5: But it is bomb. So that's my recommendation. So that's spicy.
Speaker 2: That's element which is l m n T.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 4: Yeah, l m n T labert open.
Speaker 5: Is that what ever?
Speaker 2: That's a good that's a good tip. I feel like
Speaker 2: I've been you know, I've been running a lot lately,
Speaker 2: and I uh, I've been. I got like, I think
Speaker 2: I'm having some dehydration issues that at the end end
Speaker 2: of the day, like I noticed, my back starts to
Speaker 2: get in sore. So I'm gonna I'm gonna buy some
Speaker 2: of this.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, I'm buying a box right now, and I'm
Speaker 3: gonna mail it to you right now, So don't buy
Speaker 3: it yourself. Yes, I'm gonna send you this box right now.
Speaker 2: I don't need. I don't need you to buy it.
Speaker 3: I don't I know you don't need it to you
Speaker 3: own a company. But I'm gonna send this to you
Speaker 3: and you let me know if it's good or not.
Speaker 3: And if you hate it, just bring it to the
Speaker 3: masters or whatever. I'm gonna see you next and I'll
Speaker 3: take it off your hands.
Speaker 2: All right, all right, that sounds like a good deal.
Speaker 5: Do you guys know your recommendations or no?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a recommendation, just as you got one.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, and all right, I got one. My wife
Speaker 2: she's been doing a bit of a dry January. She's been,
Speaker 2: she got she got a little too deep in the holidays,
Speaker 2: she's been, she's been pulling back and I've had I've
Speaker 2: had a few of these, and they are really good.
Speaker 2: If you're looking for something that are like a you know,
Speaker 2: that are just like a non alcoholic thing. She's been
Speaker 2: drinking these kin euphorics. They are like, yeah, so it's
Speaker 2: like a non alcoholic Like it's like a mocktail right
Speaker 2: where it's got taste, but then it's got like adaptogens.
Speaker 2: It's like it's not just like sugar, right, it's got
Speaker 2: good stuff in it. It's got like botanics, uh new
Speaker 2: tropics in it. But they're really good. They're really tasty,
Speaker 2: and they have some stuff like they they've got some
Speaker 2: just it's it's good. It's good stuff. They make you like.
Speaker 2: I noticed, like my biggest problem when I try when
Speaker 2: I go dry, is that like when I go grill,
Speaker 2: I just need a drink like I not. I don't
Speaker 2: need an alcoholic beverage. I need just something that's delicious
Speaker 2: to drink, right. That's why I like the ritual of
Speaker 2: drinking something. So having like these in the fridge has
Speaker 2: been really great. You know, it's been It's just a recommendation.
Speaker 2: I got, Joseph, what do you got?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you guys went with products. I want a
Speaker 4: slightly different direction Little music Wreck. Early in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: I was super into this album and then kind of
Speaker 4: put it away for a while and back into it
Speaker 4: a little bit. Good vibes. The album is called Proof
Speaker 4: of Life by Joy a Lot of Coon might not
Speaker 4: be a name that a lot of people know, but
Speaker 4: I've seen her live and she's awesome, and it's just
Speaker 4: something that is a feel good you can throw on
Speaker 4: in the car when you're feeling pessimistic about the state
Speaker 4: of professional golf. It'll cheer you up a little bit.
Speaker 3: So add it to the Apple Music right now.
Speaker 5: And it's a deluxe album. So there you go. I
Speaker 5: love that.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna add it right now.
Speaker 4: The Proof of Life called Proof of Life by Joy
Speaker 4: a lot of Coon, I know who she was. Until
Speaker 4: this album came out. It was recommended to me by
Speaker 4: multiple people and I would pass that on.
Speaker 2: I can't even find Oh, there it is, there it is.
Speaker 2: It looks Joe happy. It does look happy, Joseph.
Speaker 5: You know what I got.
Speaker 3: I got a recommendation yesterday at the gym that blew
Speaker 3: my mind. Okay, So I was doing planks and there
Speaker 3: was a lady right next to me. I was doing planks.
Speaker 3: She said, do you do I got done, and she goes,
Speaker 3: do you use a timer when you do planks? And
Speaker 3: I said, yeah, I like do the timer and then
Speaker 3: when it ends, obviously I can stop. She said that
Speaker 3: if you do two minute planks, we will rock you.
Speaker 3: The Queen song is exactly two minutes and one second long,
Speaker 3: so she said, listen to that gets you fired up, obviously,
Speaker 3: puts you in a great place mentally, keeps you you know,
Speaker 3: keeps the stamina up. You're really really locked into the plank,
Speaker 3: and then when the song's over, that means you're two
Speaker 3: minutes is up.
Speaker 5: So there you go, there's your plank wreck.
Speaker 4: Do you think there's an untapped market for creating songs
Speaker 4: that are exactly certain time? In her liaer?
Speaker 3: I used to make a CD back in the day,
Speaker 3: a beer pong CD or remember a girl talk? Well,
Speaker 3: I did power hour CDs. I would make them where
Speaker 3: you'd condense the song to a minute and you'd make
Speaker 3: a sixty you know, a sixty minute power hour CD.
Speaker 5: I remember making those backs.
Speaker 2: Have no clue what making CDs was like?
Speaker 5: Do you know I.
Speaker 4: Know how to make a CD? This is ridiculous, this
Speaker 4: is slander.
Speaker 5: You've never burned a CD in your life? If you've
Speaker 5: never had an MP three CD.
Speaker 4: No clue burned a CD absolutely.
Speaker 3: And after off off of kaza and just and just
Speaker 3: dialed it in off of iTunes.
Speaker 2: What about? What about right when you could, like, I
Speaker 2: feel like it was like maybe like nineteen ninety nine
Speaker 2: or nineteen ninety eight is when you could start to
Speaker 2: like make your own CDs, your own mixed CDs was
Speaker 2: like all the rage so good.
Speaker 5: I used to I used to sell them.
Speaker 3: I mean illegally obviously, but I used to sell them
Speaker 3: at school for ten dollars and I've made a killing
Speaker 3: off that stuff.
Speaker 5: When I was in high school, I was like the.
Speaker 4: Only recommendation there, you go.
Speaker 3: I was the only person in my hometown I think
Speaker 3: that had DSL off the top, you know, was like
Speaker 3: could actually download download songs and it wouldn't take twenty
Speaker 3: five minutes to download them. Man, I would fire off
Speaker 3: CDs back in the day. So to all those artists
Speaker 3: I stole from Metallica and the likes, I apologize. I'm
Speaker 3: just as bad as as Sean from Napster.
Speaker 4: We're setting an interesting precedent for what this segment represents.
Speaker 5: The illegalities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well all right, that's it. We'll end there with
Speaker 2: all of our illegal ripoff practices from our youth. Shane,
Speaker 2: thanks for coming on talk about AK and making CD
Speaker 2: mixes and and selling them the business behind it. And
Speaker 2: Joseph thanks for coming on talking to AK and and
Speaker 2: we'll talk to you guys too. Thanks