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Speaker 2: in here mister. Album of the Year yep, Grammy nominated
Speaker 2: again right three one time? Last time you got fucking
Speaker 2: you got what I'd like to call snubbed. The Jews
Speaker 2: got snubbed, that's what they say.
Speaker 3: I just I remember being broken, but.
Speaker 2: You were, but you were right R T j F
Speaker 2: should have been nominated, I think so. Yeah. Yeah, Well listen,
Speaker 2: it's all good because Michael is nominated. Killer Mike is here.
Speaker 3: Yep, welcome, what's up?
Speaker 2: You do have the Album of the Year I have
Speaker 2: my list, You're number one. My number two album is
Speaker 2: not even a rap album, but I'm gonna do my
Speaker 2: hip hop list, but you're number one by far Man.
Speaker 3: Thank you. I said that to you too. Yeah, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. That's it.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people just be saying crazy
Speaker 1: shit because they've seen it work for other people over
Speaker 1: the years, But having had put to work in, I wouldn't.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have bullshit it youself.
Speaker 2: No for sure. Now. Yeah, you played me a version
Speaker 2: of the album about two years ago in Atlanta, and
Speaker 2: some of the stuff made it. Some of the stuff
Speaker 2: is didn't make it. But you've definitely. For people who
Speaker 2: don't know like and haven't heard you speak about the album,
Speaker 2: you describe it as kind of like your Wolverine origin story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, Ronald Jules is very much the X Men.
Speaker 1: It's like don County X Men. Any number of characters
Speaker 1: will pop up in and out, and you know, depending
Speaker 1: on who your favorite character was, you knew their origins
Speaker 1: when it came from and stuff. Wolverine had always been
Speaker 1: logan one of mine. Logan I love Magneto is the reason,
Speaker 1: part of the reason I named my company villain, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: Magneto is part of the reason I even call my
Speaker 1: company villains, because I believe villains aren't necessarily bad guys,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, They just have a different
Speaker 1: agenda in terms of solving a big problem. But all
Speaker 1: that to say, Run the Jewels man, rest in peace
Speaker 1: to Lola, you know what I'm saying. Gangster Boo, Zach Dyala,
Speaker 1: Roca Hami, Ma Staples, two Chinese big boys, all these
Speaker 1: people have been a part of them Run the Jewels universe.
Speaker 1: And I realized that my character Killer Mike, this bad,
Speaker 1: swaggering dope ass him. See that essentially his nine year
Speaker 1: old kid named Michael, created and built out of his imagination.
Speaker 1: The story of Michael had never gotten told. I never
Speaker 1: people didn't know where Killer Mike came from or why.
Speaker 1: You know, people interpreted confidence and is arrogance and shit
Speaker 1: like that. But you know, when you grow up in
Speaker 1: the middle of hip hop, hip hop's you know, been
Speaker 1: around fifty years, but it's been given a lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of kids, a lot of little boys, you know,
Speaker 1: reason to hold they chin up, yeah, swagger. So you know,
Speaker 1: I had to realize that I had to introduce myself
Speaker 1: to people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean because this is your first solo album
Speaker 2: since rap music. That's crazy. And for people who don't know,
Speaker 2: rap music is really what kicked off Run the.
Speaker 3: Jewels yep, yep, it was pre Run the Jewels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's crazy to think, like I feel like
Speaker 2: eleven years ago was three years ago.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does.
Speaker 4: It feels three years ago, but it's crazy, like we've
Speaker 4: had a pretty crazy historical run that you've been a
Speaker 4: part of an LP and like, you know, I know
Speaker 4: you took your time with this project, and I'm just
Speaker 4: glad man that, Like the Grammy's got got it right.
Speaker 2: I feel like a couple of years ago, like you know,
Speaker 2: there was a couple of Grammy nominations that I was
Speaker 2: glad to see Royce got nominated and Freddy Gibbs got nominated,
Speaker 2: And when they nominated you a couple of times this year,
Speaker 2: I was like, thank.
Speaker 1: God, well three times three times yep yep, two four
Speaker 1: Rap Song of the Year, Rap Performance of the Year,
Speaker 1: and Sciences and then at Rap Album of the Year,
Speaker 1: and that's what that's what, you know. I ain't gonna
Speaker 1: lie want it, you know, I want Rap Album of
Speaker 1: the Year because I'm proud to be a rapper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I'm damn proud to be a rapper.
Speaker 1: A lot of people, you know, they they get rap
Speaker 1: Album of the Year and they like, that's a snub.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, people have acted as doing
Speaker 1: the past, Well, I deserved the album the year. Well
Speaker 1: I personally feel like, yeah, I gave you the album
Speaker 1: of the year in terms of depth and human emotion,
Speaker 1: vulnerability and vulnerability. I gave you what music is supposed
Speaker 1: to give you, whether it's the blues or rock and roll,
Speaker 1: or soul or funk or rap.
Speaker 3: I gave that to you.
Speaker 1: But I care and covet Rap of the Rap Album
Speaker 1: of the Year because for the last fifty years, this
Speaker 1: has been a driving, you know, cultural force in this
Speaker 1: in this country. You know, rap wasn't even my music first.
Speaker 1: He was my mom's music. My mom was only sixteen
Speaker 1: if she had me, So the first music I'm hearing
Speaker 1: from her is disco and early rap record you know.
Speaker 1: So it matters to me because of what rock Kim
Speaker 1: gave to me, Eric being rock Kim, because of what
Speaker 1: run mc gave to me, because with Outcasts and Goodie
Speaker 1: Mob gave to me because of what nas first two
Speaker 1: LPs especially gave to me. You know, when you start
Speaker 1: talking about Farside, what they gave to me Dale the
Speaker 1: hieroglyphic and they gave to me.
Speaker 3: I win that award.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the proudest person to have ever
Speaker 1: held that award, you know, because I give a day.
Speaker 1: I'm about being a rapper and an MC. This is
Speaker 1: not a secondary job. This ain't some shit I did
Speaker 1: because I couldn't play sports. This is not and that's
Speaker 1: no slight to anyone. I was just too chubby to
Speaker 1: play sports. What's your frame of reference, Mike. Some of
Speaker 1: my best friends want an NCAA championship with u C
Speaker 1: l A. One of my other best friends got got
Speaker 1: got drafted to the Buffalo Bills. Most friends radd office.
Speaker 1: So I knew, yeah, I ain't gonna be no athlete.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I'm gonna be the best god damn
Speaker 1: rap out of my friend groupe. So I care, And
Speaker 1: I think that a lot of MCing is based on
Speaker 1: these days kind of acting as though you don't care.
Speaker 3: But I care. I want it.
Speaker 2: I also think like you have one of the more
Speaker 2: unique paths to a Grammy nomination. If you just look
Speaker 2: at the way your career played out, like obviously coming
Speaker 2: out with Outcast and the whole world is where a
Speaker 2: lot of people were introduced to you. Obviously, you know,
Speaker 2: your first album was incredible, and I feel like your
Speaker 2: first album isn't on.
Speaker 3: Spotify or Monster. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't think monsters.
Speaker 3: I still ride Old School, so it's in.
Speaker 2: The Monster because I'm pretty sure it's not on your
Speaker 2: Spotify account.
Speaker 3: I still ride Old School, but no, but it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And then you have your grind, your grind time rap
Speaker 2: rap ship where you're dropping mixtapes and you're dropping records
Speaker 2: like like you're you're really on your ship. I mean
Speaker 2: I first heard Peel through You and a bunch of
Speaker 2: a bunch of young artists out of Atlanta. I discovered
Speaker 2: through those projects. And then Rap Music is one of
Speaker 2: the best rap albums ever in my opinion, and it
Speaker 2: kicks off this whole unexpected journey of Run the Jewels
Speaker 2: last decade. And you know, in a in a world
Speaker 2: in which rap groups, duos, et cetera don't exist anymore,
Speaker 2: you guys have thrived in a way that like, really,
Speaker 2: it's like y'all in the migos.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I'm saying. The rest in piece
Speaker 3: of takeoff.
Speaker 2: That's and for you to take all this time to
Speaker 2: kind of reintroduce the world to Michael and get the acknowledgement,
Speaker 2: get the nod. Man, It's it's just a beautiful thing
Speaker 2: to see. Man.
Speaker 3: I appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I wont it so, you know, y'all, y'all send me
Speaker 1: some preyer, some good energy, and hope we moved on.
Speaker 1: People hearts on that, you know. Vote for Vote for
Speaker 1: the person who, first of all again has put put
Speaker 1: together the rap album of the year and beyond it.
Speaker 1: I really, I really give a damn about it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and like I always so so like obviously when
Speaker 2: I first heard the album, I always wonder a couple
Speaker 2: of things, because you and your lady are amazing. You
Speaker 2: guys are you know obviously she's She's been talked about
Speaker 2: by you a lot. I bet your wife a lot.
Speaker 2: She's cool as hell. Big When did you give Shay
Speaker 2: heads up about the summer record, Like, Hey, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: write I'm gonna write this song about this X fling
Speaker 2: from back in the day.
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't my fleeing was my girlfriend.
Speaker 1: I don't like, Hey, guys, ball up now, don't just
Speaker 1: be be a real nigga about you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: And you just your wife was in love with somebody. Folks,
Speaker 1: she met you, even if she was eight like you,
Speaker 1: ain't one.
Speaker 3: Of one count h It's very rare that that actually
Speaker 3: is the case. Man.
Speaker 1: Your grandparents say they was, but my you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can now know my granddad, my grandmama was a verge.
Speaker 1: I can't tell you my grandfather was, you know, you know, I.
Speaker 2: Such a dope storytelling record.
Speaker 1: Though, yeah, she had already heard the story because we
Speaker 1: talked as my friend of course, you know, so I
Speaker 1: think that that it wasn't a.
Speaker 3: Need though to say, hey, I'm gonna rap out this.
Speaker 1: I think she was just like you finally got a
Speaker 1: chance to get it off your chest because it's something
Speaker 1: that I've been with and it's been with me, and
Speaker 1: it sat with me. And when I played the record
Speaker 1: for men and for those who might not know what
Speaker 1: he's talking about, that you shouldn't be out there, but
Speaker 1: you know, give Slummer a listen. It's a story of
Speaker 1: me at fifteen sixteen, falling in love with a girl
Speaker 1: who's a year too younger than me, and I was
Speaker 1: living like adults essentially for two summers. I'm you know,
Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'm trapping on rich or you know, she
Speaker 1: in the apartments or subsidized, so they like, we got
Speaker 1: many bills, but we live like adults, and and we
Speaker 1: get pregnant, and I have to go through the abortion process,
Speaker 1: you know, with her paying for it, and man, I
Speaker 1: played it for dudes, and dudes wept and they say, man,
Speaker 1: nobody had ever expressed how I felt. You know, I
Speaker 1: hadn't even been considered that I had feelings. And we
Speaker 1: know it's traumatic for the girl, for the woman, absolutely
Speaker 1: it is. And they deserved all the seeing, all the
Speaker 1: support around controlling their bodies.
Speaker 3: They deserve.
Speaker 1: But man, them little boys and the men and these
Speaker 1: young men that have had to take part in that,
Speaker 1: there is no body sometimes to put the arm around
Speaker 1: the shoulders. I know that was a difficult decision to make.
Speaker 1: And I know it's gonna it's gonna stay with you,
Speaker 1: or let me tell you, it's gonna stay with you.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna feel a way about it, you know.
Speaker 1: And so I was honored to be able to do
Speaker 1: it in my and my my My wife is glad
Speaker 1: I got it out of my chest. You know now
Speaker 1: She's like, no, you can stop talking.
Speaker 2: World the story now for you. Man, you have a
Speaker 2: lot of vulnerable moments on this album. Obviously A Motherless
Speaker 2: to Me is like one that really really stands out.
Speaker 2: I know, I want to say, when you played the
Speaker 2: album for people who don't know, you had like a
Speaker 2: really cool album listening thing here in l A that
Speaker 2: was like a Masonic temple or it was it was
Speaker 2: a cemetery. It was a cemetery.
Speaker 3: It was a cemetery.
Speaker 2: But I remember, yeah, it's like, yo, you're joining the Illuminati.
Speaker 3: That's exactly with three.
Speaker 2: But no, I know you got really emotional talking about
Speaker 2: that director because it's about your mom.
Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, my girl, man, Denise, she's she under here.
Speaker 1: Her and my grandmother. My mother was sixteen years old.
Speaker 3: When she she had me, and you know we just
Speaker 3: grew up together.
Speaker 1: That was my girl, you know, like that's the first
Speaker 1: person that introduced me to rap music. That she was up,
Speaker 1: I mean, being sixteen.
Speaker 2: She's also kind of your friend.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she was like my big sister, right, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying that's who taught me how to dance
Speaker 1: with a girl, right, you know what I'm saying, That's
Speaker 1: who taught me how to how to approach a girl.
Speaker 1: You like, that's who. That's who taught me how to
Speaker 1: take no shit, you know, don't be no sucker. And
Speaker 1: she wasn't no single mom. You know, my I had
Speaker 1: two dads, you know, my dad who's biologically my dad,
Speaker 1: and my dad she married. I had grandparents that raised me,
Speaker 1: grew up in a you know, a man and a
Speaker 1: woman household, raising me and my two little sisters. But
Speaker 1: me and my mom just shared the special bond and
Speaker 1: friendship and kinship. And it was around you know, her saying,
Speaker 1: you know, I wish I could be soft throwing you
Speaker 1: about some stuff that you the only boy I got,
Speaker 1: so you got to be a man. But at her heart,
Speaker 1: she was an artist, so she she encouraged that about me,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So I just man, I
Speaker 1: just I want to I want to lead a life
Speaker 1: that makes her proud.
Speaker 2: Sension for you looking at the nominees of Rap Album
Speaker 2: of the Year, Yeah.
Speaker 3: The Motherless record.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that record just to say I got emotional
Speaker 1: about that record because because I miss her. So anybody
Speaker 1: out there who has a mother, no matter your relationship,
Speaker 1: check in because.
Speaker 2: I think we take advantage of this.
Speaker 3: My mom. My mom told me, she.
Speaker 1: Said, you know, I know you think your grandmother is
Speaker 1: your mama because she she raised you. But I'm your
Speaker 1: fucking mama. And it's that's kind of conversation had. And
Speaker 1: she said, and when I when I go, you're gonna
Speaker 1: understand that. And the day she died, I've never felt
Speaker 1: that emptiness. And and I know it doesn't get feeled
Speaker 1: and a.
Speaker 2: Lot of people don't realize that until that day happened.
Speaker 3: It happened.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't shit. She told me, you know, I
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, I tied and make all friends.
Speaker 1: I you know, I gotta, I got. I have placed
Speaker 1: my house while honor. But with that said, like man,
Speaker 1: I wish I could have said it while she was
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: It's such a beautiful song. Really, I mean, that's a
Speaker 2: record that I feel like I could have been nominated.
Speaker 3: For a Grammy.
Speaker 1: It could have been, it could have been, should have been,
Speaker 1: would have been. It'd be one day who knows, you know,
Speaker 1: now be mixed the album or something. But I just
Speaker 1: know that I got to cover it all album of
Speaker 1: the Year and an album to live to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just saying, who do you see as
Speaker 2: if you're looking at the other nominees for Rap Album
Speaker 2: of the Year. Yeah, I got my opinion, But who
Speaker 2: do you think is the album you gotta worry about?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just know that I've listened to them all and
Speaker 1: I like parts of all of them, you know, and
Speaker 1: I respect the artists involved. But what I'm saying is
Speaker 1: as as I could sit down Drake and Savage, I
Speaker 1: could sit down Nas, I could sit down Travis Metro,
Speaker 1: and I could sit down with Metro, said metrosca produce
Speaker 1: he put together Mars. I could put those artists in
Speaker 1: a room and I could play my album, and something
Speaker 1: about my experience in my life is going to affect
Speaker 1: all of them off that as in a deeply personal way.
Speaker 1: And you know what I mean, Like you know, in
Speaker 1: a deeply personal way. And I don't say that to
Speaker 1: be in competition with but just saying I made an
Speaker 1: album that we all can bleed to. I made an
Speaker 1: album that we all understand addiction, We all understand the
Speaker 1: precio preciousness of a mother. We all are black men
Speaker 1: in North America trying to understand and make our way.
Speaker 1: I don't care what color Drake is in terms of
Speaker 1: how people argue about this biraciality and shit. Since he's
Speaker 1: been coming to America, he knows he's a black man
Speaker 1: if he's been in Atlanta, right, he knows he's a
Speaker 1: black man if he's been in Houston and Memphis. So
Speaker 1: there's something on here for the worker class, the black
Speaker 1: man and the women who love them, for all of us.
Speaker 1: So I believe that if we sat down at the table,
Speaker 1: I could have that argument with those men and say,
Speaker 1: this is why, like amongst the fraternity and brotherhood of
Speaker 1: MC's at their table, this is why, this is why
Speaker 1: I should and listen to this, and it'll pierce your
Speaker 1: heart the same way as piercing the audience.
Speaker 2: This or for sure, man, I think it was an
Speaker 2: like almost It's like a much needed medicine of hip hop.
Speaker 2: It's like somebody actually is making a vulnerable album to
Speaker 2: like live to, not to turn up to, not the
Speaker 2: TikTok too.
Speaker 1: It's just well, I mean, you can still do it all.
Speaker 1: I mean the intro of Dawn by Law made a TikTok.
Speaker 1: I was like, God, damn, I'm gonna have to get
Speaker 1: in shape. Everybody gym shit was you know, the journey
Speaker 1: over talking and and with that said, exit nine, you
Speaker 1: cruise to this is record you play in fifty six
Speaker 1: minutes later after you drive from here to Pomona.
Speaker 3: Man, You've like, I've just had experience. I feel like
Speaker 3: I saw a movie.
Speaker 1: This is This is an album where when you clean
Speaker 1: up your house, by the time the album in, you
Speaker 1: done finished that chore man, your laundry done and folded.
Speaker 3: It is a it is a classic album, and.
Speaker 1: That it feels good, even the sad parts, even the
Speaker 1: parts that make you think about a reminisce on stuff that,
Speaker 1: but it makes you feel good.
Speaker 3: You feel more human after it.
Speaker 1: So you know, I'm just glad to be the conduan
Speaker 1: for that energy, because hip hop deserved.
Speaker 3: That in his fiftieth year.
Speaker 2: In the fiftieth year here sure.
Speaker 1: When people are talking about what sales are down, and y'ad, y'all, yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't know about sales in my first ardo.
Speaker 1: I just knew I felt something when I heard it.
Speaker 1: It made me feel something, and that's what I did.
Speaker 2: I'm curious. I first heard of a new Andre three
Speaker 2: thousand album when you spilled some beans that you weren't
Speaker 2: supposed to.
Speaker 3: Spill stone Man, but when you when you revealed.
Speaker 2: That and then kind of walked it back at that
Speaker 2: moment in time. But you know it was a flute album.
Speaker 1: I have no comment on any of it is I
Speaker 1: know if you want to Andre three thousand verse, there's
Speaker 1: an album called Michael and it's on the song called
Speaker 1: Scientists and Engineers and you should listen.
Speaker 2: Have you have you gotten high to the to the
Speaker 2: Andre album because it's a great album to relax, to go.
Speaker 1: How to got Stone? Well, I'm stone here, I'm stoned.
Speaker 1: If I'm listening to Metallica, I'm stoned.
Speaker 3: But I.
Speaker 1: I was curious to hear it like everybody else. And
Speaker 1: I play and I smoke and I'm going to probably
Speaker 1: eat some shrooms. It's music I'm proud of. I'm proud
Speaker 1: of Dream Big Boy because they are out of a
Speaker 1: talent program called Tri Cities High School that also produced
Speaker 1: Eskate that also produced KP one of the greatest income
Speaker 1: yep I sat the KP KP the great DJ as well.
Speaker 1: It just produced some amazing artists and those guys like
Speaker 1: I tell you, by keeping an inner child alive, big
Speaker 1: boys kept it pushing and going, giving us new styles, variants,
Speaker 1: whether it's fan of gram or whatever whatever new.
Speaker 2: He's introduced so many artists to us, so many.
Speaker 1: I love him and with Dre, Dre just being an
Speaker 1: artist in that waiting until he's ready to make art,
Speaker 1: to make art and get people interested beyond what they
Speaker 1: thought they were interested in. I think it was amazing.
Speaker 1: So I'm very proud of him. I'm very proud of
Speaker 1: be you know, cut Master Swift or DJ did all
Speaker 1: the cuts on Michael. He's coming back in with us.
Speaker 1: We do make more music because he's an amazing trumpeter singer,
Speaker 1: so we you know, the Dungeon family lives. Pat Ray
Speaker 1: and Reek still doing beats, like I mean, I gotta
Speaker 1: beat on riding around right now. So for me, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm proud that that for whatever, for whatever
Speaker 1: compels you, he's being compelled to do something.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's crazy because I just had a Victoria uh Jene Monday.
Speaker 2: I was Gonnay Victoria name gene Mo name on the
Speaker 2: show and we were talking. We were talking about her
Speaker 2: her purple ribbon run. Yeah, because I don't think a
Speaker 2: lot of people like kind of give the proper respect
Speaker 2: to that, like that of artists.
Speaker 3: Big boy is a.
Speaker 1: Big boy is an amazing He's an amazing guy in
Speaker 1: terms of pig and talent and doing business for sure.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you just a little ahead of the curve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all stars are so good and it was like
Speaker 2: so many names you're on there, like oh shit, oh shit.
Speaker 1: Rest and rest in peace of Nate, super Nate, down
Speaker 1: of cancer, Lass Ships, rest in peace to him. Shouts
Speaker 1: out to Black on seabone, Little bro No, shouts out
Speaker 1: to Sleepy Brown and shouts out to now bubb shouts
Speaker 1: out Bubba.
Speaker 2: For sure, Man for you man, talk to me about
Speaker 2: like you know, I know, Uh, the focus is Michael.
Speaker 2: How many times have you been in with LP in
Speaker 2: the last like twelve months working on music? If any.
Speaker 3: Man, we've been together because we were touring. We haven't
Speaker 3: worked on.
Speaker 2: Anything working on these you guys had the tour. By
Speaker 2: the way, I'm still very mad that the Rage tour
Speaker 2: never happened for me to see with my man.
Speaker 1: I wish you would have COVID New York, COVID and
Speaker 1: I'm glad Zach is heeled up back on the mean
Speaker 1: and congrats to all the guys they got introducted in
Speaker 1: the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame rightfully. So, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the way run the Jews usually work is l trevects
Speaker 1: off into the will. You know, he treks off into
Speaker 1: the wilderness somewhere and probably like kills bears and eats
Speaker 1: them and lives as a wild man and then comes
Speaker 1: back with the plessoro of beat.
Speaker 2: I feel like you'd be the guy that killed bears
Speaker 2: and eat them.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm definitely down to. Usually we prefer killing deer
Speaker 1: and hog where I'm from.
Speaker 2: But just went hog hunting with that Mexican No tea you.
Speaker 1: Had fund out Texas, you had if you have had
Speaker 1: a ball, right, it was so much fun. Who dressed
Speaker 1: Who dressed him for you? They already had someone on
Speaker 1: site to dress the hall cook and make sausages all
Speaker 1: that for him, not cooking.
Speaker 2: But we just killed him and left.
Speaker 3: No, that's what we did. No, you're not supposed to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: I swear to God this. In Texas they're like past
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: No, but you're you're supposed to eat them. It's a hall,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So we so we killed a couple of them and
Speaker 2: then we came back and like a pack of coyotes or.
Speaker 3: That's destroyed them. That's good.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying you're not so you know, I
Speaker 1: know they're like getting so fair out there there, but
Speaker 1: you kill I killed something, I'm gonna eat it like
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I'm not sports fishing. I'm not putting a
Speaker 1: fucking bass bag that basket collar, basket it. That's my
Speaker 1: grandfather saying, I'm ednit it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I mean I kind of felt because I've
Speaker 2: never been that's the only time I've ever been hunting.
Speaker 3: You're good, though, you should do it. It was fun.
Speaker 3: Everyone should do it. At least, you know, at least
Speaker 3: gets out once a year do something.
Speaker 2: We also were doing it out of helicopter.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've seen it. I've seen it.
Speaker 1: Colinor shouts out to Colinor, who an interview with years
Speaker 1: he he go, I saw him. I've seen him go
Speaker 1: out and lean out the helicopter and I had a
Speaker 1: video of himpoo.
Speaker 3: That sh it was dope.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going on a hunting tangent up back to
Speaker 2: you in LP so lp he goes out and he
Speaker 2: kills bears and does whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he comes back with the plethora of beats
Speaker 1: on a hard drive, like like what do you think?
Speaker 3: And and what what do I think? Is usually oh shit,
Speaker 3: this is the fucking album and like sequence and everything. Damn.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh my god, this is it.
Speaker 1: And and then we were just in there. We're just
Speaker 1: in there. It was vibing more than right. We just
Speaker 1: start playing ship. Like he came out here. We were
Speaker 1: out here.
Speaker 3: I had forgot when it was. It might have been
Speaker 3: a year or might have been just over, but he
Speaker 3: came out.
Speaker 1: We were in different hotels, but he came over to
Speaker 1: a spot I was at and he just played something
Speaker 1: for me and he had part of a verse on it,
Speaker 1: and I said, oh let me, let me, let me
Speaker 1: get in there.
Speaker 3: And I went in there.
Speaker 1: Man, I spas on this ship like I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 1: So you know, to me, I'm just like I want
Speaker 1: to finish that one.
Speaker 3: And whenever we finished that.
Speaker 2: One, we might get five.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's got to happen one day. That's something
Speaker 3: I cheered for.
Speaker 1: But again, we're just you know, it's when it's gonna happen,
Speaker 1: Like when it happens, but until it happens, Michael. If
Speaker 1: you're looking for dre verse Michael, or if you're looking
Speaker 1: for one, I got LP versus I got both hull
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Speaker 2: And it's like and even the record with LP on
Speaker 2: the album is like different for you.
Speaker 3: You got good dope on the street. That's all I'm
Speaker 3: telling you.
Speaker 1: Man, We still here for you. Man, you want to
Speaker 1: run the Jewels, you need to listen and don't let
Speaker 1: the devil. It's a it's a no I d beat
Speaker 1: with LP different like LP chopped it. So yeah, and
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Speaker 3: He was on there. So yeah, Man, So I got
Speaker 3: the dope, you do, man, Come get the dope, man,
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Speaker 3: Yo.
Speaker 2: Have you do you see my tweets, like once every
Speaker 2: two months, I tweet that you should run for president?
Speaker 2: Have you seen these tweets I share every two months,
Speaker 2: I'm tweeting, what killer Mike just run for president?
Speaker 3: I don't want them people to kill me. I want
Speaker 3: to wrap. I want to build something.
Speaker 2: Would you ever like, like I knew you've asked been
Speaker 2: asked if you'd ever run for office, but like I
Speaker 2: could see somebody getting elected eventually and making you a
Speaker 2: part of their cabinet.
Speaker 1: You know what, I remember when I think one of
Speaker 1: the Bushes put Arnold Schwartzenegger on their cabinet over physical fitness.
Speaker 1: And that's one thing I've seen in my life. I
Speaker 1: said that made all of sense in the world now,
Speaker 1: because you see Arnold and you're like, yeah, I'm like
Speaker 1: putting a brain surgeon who I have an enormous amount
Speaker 1: of respect for. Over housing. Urban development was a little
Speaker 1: quirky for me. But doctor Ben Carson grew up in
Speaker 1: the housing projects. I would have liked to have seen
Speaker 1: doctor Ben Carson while he was over the housing projects,
Speaker 1: institute some type of mandate that that gave kids options
Speaker 1: and benefits from already?
Speaker 3: Is it, Pete? No?
Speaker 1: I thought Pete was doing transportation. Yeah, I could be wrong,
Speaker 1: but you could be over here. But I always thought
Speaker 1: that that was an opportunity missed because I thought that
Speaker 1: if Ben could have figured something out between a bank,
Speaker 1: between health hood and education, that we could have been
Speaker 1: educating kids right in the housing projects. Differently, So if
Speaker 1: I did something in the cabinet that made sense, I'd
Speaker 1: be honored.
Speaker 2: To But I doubt you, So you'd be open to that.
Speaker 1: I'd I'd be open into that because I could, I
Speaker 1: could do something effective and I wouldn't have to prostitute
Speaker 1: myself for money because the person that hired me would
Speaker 1: have already done that.
Speaker 2: Like, had the DNC not like fucked over Bernie Sanders,
Speaker 2: I feel like you'd be You would definitely have You
Speaker 2: would definitely would have been in the cabinet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was a really believer, you know, and whatever the
Speaker 1: old guy was, even if I wouldn't have been the cabinet,
Speaker 1: would have I would have helped in any way.
Speaker 2: You guys are It's crazy because like you are such
Speaker 2: a leader, and I feel like, you know, when I
Speaker 2: think of like the word activists, that as a word
Speaker 2: that gets thrown around and I think about like how
Speaker 2: you and Bernie show up to like the Amazon.
Speaker 3: Strike Yeah down in elevant. Yeah, I'm saying that's.
Speaker 2: Something that like you're working on albums, you're touring, but
Speaker 2: like somehow you still find the time, you still find
Speaker 2: the energy to like still stand up and just be
Speaker 2: the voice of the voiceis well.
Speaker 1: You know what, It's not just me, you know, And
Speaker 1: I consider myself a product of the worker class in
Speaker 1: this country. I am you know, both my dads, my grandpa,
Speaker 1: my grandma. You know, working class people, hard working, decent people,
Speaker 1: field integrity, good morals, and they just wanted better. If
Speaker 1: they made mistakes, they learned from those mistakes and push forward.
Speaker 1: So you know, for me, I'm not the only one.
Speaker 1: You know, when you when you look at Senator Nina Turner,
Speaker 1: I feel like she should be the leader of the
Speaker 1: progressive movement in this country.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: I think I think that for us to talk about it,
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about my community, on the black community,
Speaker 1: for us to talk about progression and not be talking
Speaker 1: about her actively is damn near crime. Like what's wrong
Speaker 1: with us? It's like ignoring Malcolm in the sixties, which
Speaker 1: people did you know that people ignored Malcolm in after
Speaker 1: he was dead, all of a sudden he had more fandom.
Speaker 1: And because of people like Dick Gregory. You know, when
Speaker 1: people say celebrities don't mean much, because of people like
Speaker 1: Dick Gregory's name stayed alive. People like Spike Lee, his
Speaker 1: name stayed alive. So for me, you know, my thing
Speaker 1: is Teslin Figaro, who now pops up on the Breakfast Club.
Speaker 1: You know, has her, has her, has her own podcast,
Speaker 1: and it's also does work with Revolte. Teslin is an
Speaker 1: amazing political mind. And part of the reason I stay,
Speaker 1: you know, just in know of what it is is
Speaker 1: because I constantly communicate with people like Nina. I constantly
Speaker 1: communicate with Nina, with Teslin, you know, Jennifer Farmer's amazing
Speaker 1: publicist out of Berney campaign. It's just some black women
Speaker 1: in Ohio in but it's brilliant when it comes to
Speaker 1: you know. So my thing is stay in touch with
Speaker 1: the people doing the work and less of an organizer
Speaker 1: now because my day job takes me away, but more
Speaker 1: of a mobilizer.
Speaker 3: How do you get people there?
Speaker 1: By the time doctor King was maybe two three years
Speaker 1: before he got out of you know, he was assassinated
Speaker 1: by this part this government. My belief doctor King was
Speaker 1: a mobilizer when he show up, they knew people were
Speaker 1: going to show up. But people organized on the ground
Speaker 1: included people like John Lewis and Crudi, people like Reveren
Speaker 1: James and Warner. Included people like Stokely Carmichael, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, also known as Kwame Tour. That's who we need.
Speaker 1: We need more of y'all. You know, I'd love for
Speaker 1: another Killer Mike to pop alone, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: But until that happens, you got to congratulate the people
Speaker 1: that are working their ass off to try the best
Speaker 1: they you know, try to be the best they can be.
Speaker 1: And I think that they are worthy of our support locally,
Speaker 1: but look hyper local. I want to tell people that
Speaker 1: don't be so enamored by what the television is telling
Speaker 1: you to argue about with the before you even get
Speaker 1: to your counselman, what do your ten neighbors think of
Speaker 1: the street? I learned this first from my grandmother. My
Speaker 1: grandmother didn't like the way sanitation was leaving people garbage cares.
Speaker 1: She didn't think enough care concerned, and so she took
Speaker 1: it the city council. She was angry with about it,
Speaker 1: and she would didn't get satisfied when she heard, so
Speaker 1: she went and sat in the mayor's office till he
Speaker 1: saw her. She literally just went it, sat in here
Speaker 1: until too until she can plain, and she still didn't
Speaker 1: get what she wanted. And within two weeks we want
Speaker 1: Channel five News was my grandmother saying, this is how
Speaker 1: they do the black folks, black community All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: we've never had issues sanitation again because that black mayor
Speaker 1: wants to get elected, that black city council person and
Speaker 1: they say they want to do good for the black community.
Speaker 1: Well put our barberge cans down respectfully, because we respectful people.
Speaker 3: We clean our yards.
Speaker 1: And it's just she was my hero in that fashion,
Speaker 1: and I want more heroes like that because that's the
Speaker 1: way you create a killer, right, you create a Fanny
Speaker 1: new Hamer, you know, you create you create all these
Speaker 1: people that care, that aid, the people that may be
Speaker 1: the tip of the spear, you know, Theynard rushing. You
Speaker 1: create these people by being hyperactive. So whoever on a
Speaker 1: local level in your town is doing something takes some
Speaker 1: time to help them out.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, like it feels that what would
Speaker 2: be your message for people who are so just exhausted
Speaker 2: with the process because it feels like a hopeless, a
Speaker 2: little cool landscape nationally world worldly things are like obviously
Speaker 2: we got we got.
Speaker 3: Wars going on in the world. I say, listen to
Speaker 3: what I just told you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just focus on what you because what you can
Speaker 2: really control is your neighbors, is you could you.
Speaker 3: Know if you all do a little nobody gotta do
Speaker 3: a lot, val you do a little bit, a little bit.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, man, for you, have you thought about uh,
Speaker 2: my boy, Jelly Roll just had a speech that viral.
Speaker 3: Jelly Man, Thank you. He was.
Speaker 1: Jelly was one of the first d ms I looked
Speaker 1: at when I got nominated, And it's just I've been
Speaker 1: cheering for him all year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's crazy because people don't realize he kind
Speaker 2: of comes from that like underground white.
Speaker 3: Like you know, I'm a Southern so you know little
Speaker 3: white Jelly Roll all it. Yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1: It's not yellow Wolf, my brother, Like, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 1: You don't miss it because we all from the same place.
Speaker 1: Might have been a trailer park, might have been, a project,
Speaker 1: might have been, might have been, but it is and
Speaker 1: it's like, so I was cheering for him, and we
Speaker 1: share a lot of similarities, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You guys each have very unique past to where you
Speaker 2: currently are.
Speaker 1: When I heard his Grammy speech, my sister, my sister
Speaker 1: said it to me because she loves him to death,
Speaker 1: and she said, she said, he said, she said, it
Speaker 1: sounds like somebody I know, get your speech ready.
Speaker 2: My co hosts from my radio show, James Andre Jefferson Jr.
Speaker 2: He's like, man, you know, he goes to a black
Speaker 2: church every Sunday and he's like, man, they played Jelly
Speaker 2: Roast speech at church.
Speaker 3: Bro it was like, yeah, hey man, God, God, God
Speaker 3: gonna make a way.
Speaker 2: Such a crazy like it's just so dope to see
Speaker 2: somebody like that who's been like a peer of friend
Speaker 2: and just to have just this whole other like and
Speaker 2: if you ever have known Jelly, you know, he's always
Speaker 2: been this guy who you're like, Man, if people just
Speaker 2: talk to they love you.
Speaker 1: If they gave you a chance. So many people and again, congratulations, Jail.
Speaker 1: I love you, I love you, I love your family. Man,
Speaker 1: you and your wife are bomb. I'm happy for you.
Speaker 1: I look forward to forty fifty more years of you
Speaker 1: just doing it dope.
Speaker 3: I am.
Speaker 1: My thing is man, Just give folks a shot my things.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to die without you really haven't met Michael,
Speaker 1: and give me a shot. I knew you hadn't listened
Speaker 1: to me because everything you say you missing a rap.
Speaker 3: I already am.
Speaker 1: I was already given you dope, you know, And I'm
Speaker 1: glad that you didn't or you turned deathfeit to me
Speaker 1: for as long as you did, because it gave me
Speaker 1: an opportunity to find the discipline through Run the Jewels
Speaker 1: of how to take two and a half years to
Speaker 1: make Michael. It took me ten years of being Run
Speaker 1: the Jewels to understand I am building a community. I'm
Speaker 1: not just talking to an audience. It took me ten
Speaker 1: years to understand now seven years because it started about
Speaker 1: three years ago. It took me seven years to understanding.
Speaker 1: Now it's time, you know. And I take it seriously
Speaker 1: and not seriously to the fact it ain't fun or
Speaker 1: you and your old lady can't get blasted to it
Speaker 1: and go to the Flying Chicken see something drop. But
Speaker 1: I take it seriously and that I'm trying to give
Speaker 1: you or no, I've given you a level of quality
Speaker 1: that you deserve as a listener. You know, hip hop
Speaker 1: is looked at as something that does not involve high
Speaker 1: art and culture, or if it does, it doesn't involve
Speaker 1: it from a working class standpoint, you know. Somehow in
Speaker 1: order to be of high standard, you have to be
Speaker 1: collegiate or you have to wear you know, weird shit
Speaker 1: with weird fucking names. You know, I'm wearing an ebbits
Speaker 1: Field jacket and I feel stylish as a motherfucker because
Speaker 1: this motherfucker made in America and it's about football, and
Speaker 1: this is the good jacket my grandpa put on when
Speaker 1: he wasn't working, you know. And that's that's what That's
Speaker 1: what I'm a That's what I'm about. I take pride
Speaker 1: in this ship. I take pride in the fact of
Speaker 1: knowing that whether it was Pony or Puma or.
Speaker 3: Nike, we did that. We created sneaker culture. Nike doesn't
Speaker 3: happen without hip hop and its capacity. It just doesn't.
Speaker 3: Starter starter, does it happened?
Speaker 2: I can you can literally name anything.
Speaker 3: It doesn't. It doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: So Linciaga, I take this ship, you know what I'm saying, Like, I.
Speaker 3: Take it that seriously, I love this ship. I love
Speaker 3: this ship to my core. I love the ship. Want bones.
Speaker 3: This ain't some shit I'm doing on the way to
Speaker 3: somewhere else.
Speaker 2: You know, you guys have done such a great job
Speaker 2: of in a world in which it feels like the
Speaker 2: business model of being a rapper is uh, extremely hard
Speaker 2: if you're especially an independent rapper.
Speaker 3: Right, Like, it ain't easy.
Speaker 2: It's not easy because if you're just looking at what
Speaker 2: a million streams pays you, right, it feels like almost
Speaker 2: like a hopeless climb up a mountain in order to
Speaker 2: really make a career or be able to just support
Speaker 2: your yourself, let alone your family. Right, you guys have
Speaker 2: done such a good job over the last ten years
Speaker 2: of monetizing the brand. Right, what are some things that
Speaker 2: you're doing with Michael, whether it's obviously the tour was successful,
Speaker 2: you know, I think always tell people like, if you're
Speaker 2: if you got a fan base and you're not and
Speaker 2: you don't have a hard weight, obviously people are gonna
Speaker 2: stream it, but you want them to buy the twelve
Speaker 2: inch vinyl, You want them to buy a CD, a tape.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm not gonna pretend to be no mastermind. I follow.
Speaker 3: I follow my brother currency man shouts out there, man
Speaker 3: who's on the album? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Him and him and two Chinese. They on my dope
Speaker 1: boar record. Usually your dope board record. You're hearing we
Speaker 1: sold the most dopeer. Sometimes dope boys just throw a
Speaker 1: dope barbecue and invite all the other dope boys can
Speaker 1: come out, and you see their cars, and you get
Speaker 1: motivated to do good in school because your mama tell
Speaker 1: you they did.
Speaker 3: Good at school. That's why they got it.
Speaker 1: That's how our record hits me when the spaceship views,
Speaker 1: so I got to figure out shoots under that. But Spiter,
Speaker 1: I love the relaxed ways to hint like him and
Speaker 1: move some move like cause it's just he do what's
Speaker 1: genuely him.
Speaker 3: I remember going down there when he had the car shop.
Speaker 1: You can go get your brakes and funk around me,
Speaker 1: have a thirty minute convocause there you.
Speaker 2: Know, crazy, did you get your brakes done?
Speaker 1: And you're hanging out with you know what I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: that's that's the kind of shit I'm into. So I've
Speaker 1: just leaned into the ship that I love and like
Speaker 1: my wife and I built in the swag shop over
Speaker 1: the last eleven years. I bought that when I was
Speaker 1: recording rap music. I sold my ninety five in Paula
Speaker 1: and bought the swash shop off Craigslist, the first swag shop.
Speaker 2: And I've been to that one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, ye, that's Rosewell Highway.
Speaker 1: We got one on Edge. We we got one to
Speaker 1: State Farm, Marina. We rolling out two to three next year.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm like, I've had eleven It took us
Speaker 1: five to really kind of figure out what we were doing.
Speaker 1: I just always wanted to have a barbershops, cool place
Speaker 1: to hang out. I have to wait in line. But
Speaker 1: what we realized doing COVID, especially when we closed, moms
Speaker 1: were dming me like, don't close y'all shops. Y'all shops
Speaker 1: is one of the only places that I can bring
Speaker 1: my boy. I know he's in the company of good
Speaker 1: men with integrity. I'm treated with respect. There was just
Speaker 1: and then they said, man, we love when y'all do
Speaker 1: the little T shirt drops and stuff. So we were like, man,
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to be paying. Let's just press up
Speaker 1: some shirts. And what we realized is, man, you are
Speaker 1: a brand operating as a barber shop.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think I got a new era.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so we got we got new era stuff coming.
Speaker 1: We got more T shirts and stuff coming. We got
Speaker 1: more product, everything with cigarette lighters. That's trade cool stuff coming.
Speaker 1: But we're a barber shop, and we've spent some time
Speaker 1: figuring out what kind of shampoos I like. I hate
Speaker 1: the smell girly, so it's not like I'm using a
Speaker 1: girls stuff. I hate the I don't want to smell
Speaker 1: like old spice like my dad, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: So we developed.
Speaker 1: I got a shampoo conditioner thing coming out. I got
Speaker 1: some shaving cream coming out, beer bong. I just got
Speaker 1: some cool stuff that you can just buy. When at
Speaker 1: the shop, you're getting to get in a haircut. So
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that to see what that's going to do,
Speaker 1: because I know that as a man, I don't like
Speaker 1: going into beauty supply stores.
Speaker 3: As a guy.
Speaker 1: When my Jordans dropped, I might, I might not have
Speaker 1: no problem paying two hundred dollars for the Jeorans, but
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: Want to play one hundred and fifty dollars for a
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Speaker 3: Let's get back to the interview. What's your favorite j
Speaker 3: my favorite? J I my favorite? Let me give you
Speaker 3: my favorite all time Nike the eighty seven Air Max.
Speaker 2: Okay, you got their maxes on now.
Speaker 3: Yeah you got what? But yeah, so that that's my favorite.
Speaker 2: Jay's I just whatever, yeah, whatever, Jordan threes, You like
Speaker 2: the three threes?
Speaker 3: I like the four to me is the most all
Speaker 3: three or four? For you?
Speaker 2: The three is very uncomfortable, but it's just such a.
Speaker 3: I probably like the silhouette of Afford event.
Speaker 2: Amazing, No, it's it's and then yeah, you know you
Speaker 2: guys just dropped your own nikesb's.
Speaker 3: Yeah we did. We did, man, we did.
Speaker 2: Hey, what's up with are you ever going to do
Speaker 2: a new season of the Netflix show?
Speaker 3: It was so trigger we don't see something cool? Amazing?
Speaker 3: Thank you man, we got some I got the chops
Speaker 3: for this ship man.
Speaker 2: So and then you had a show on Facebook.
Speaker 3: But yeah, that was the one kill Mike.
Speaker 2: That's going back to so yeah, but but the trigger
Speaker 2: Warner was the one.
Speaker 3: The trigger Warner was one.
Speaker 1: The fact you like the crypt colaod pop yeah, legendary.
Speaker 3: We got more coming, man, we got more coming. It's it's.
Speaker 3: If you haven't seen it, go watch it and just
Speaker 3: hit me up and let me know what you think about.
Speaker 2: It's still on Netflix, still on Netflix. Do you feel
Speaker 2: like we're turning the corner? I mean, obviously the name
Speaker 2: of the shows trigger warning. A lot of people for
Speaker 2: the last five or six years get triggered easily and
Speaker 2: our there's a lot of online outrage. You've been subject
Speaker 2: to some of that when you're did with the gun thing.
Speaker 3: People were coming at you crazy.
Speaker 2: But I wonder do you feel like society's turning a
Speaker 2: corner when it comes to like some of the like
Speaker 2: more sensitive, like people just have been like all time sensitive.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't care. I've learned my lesson.
Speaker 1: My grandfather was who he was for a reason. I
Speaker 1: bet you, if the world go down tomorrow, the power
Speaker 1: grips shut off, I bet you, my family and me,
Speaker 1: you got you, We'll be okay.
Speaker 2: Is the crip sustainable?
Speaker 3: If the ship stops tomorrow, I'm gonna be okay.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. It matters of being triggered. I
Speaker 1: just like to tell people, man, don't let that anxiety
Speaker 1: get to you. Man, just take care of yourself, you know,
Speaker 1: do right by yourself and do right by other people.
Speaker 3: Because if you.
Speaker 1: Keep worrying about what the world's gonna do, you never
Speaker 1: gonna take time to live. You donna spend your to
Speaker 1: waste your time worrying. Now, just you know, in telling
Speaker 1: whatever your version of the truth is, just remember on
Speaker 1: the other side of that truth is somebody else is
Speaker 1: thinking or feeling their logic. And on the other side
Speaker 1: of that may be some repercussions and whatever those are,
Speaker 1: they are. But man, I make sure my kids watch
Speaker 1: George Carlin. I make sure my kids watch watch what
Speaker 1: you're prior. I make sure my kids because you need
Speaker 1: to make sure that there's a healthy human distrust of systems.
Speaker 2: M And I think we've gotten rid of. Like what
Speaker 2: you just said is like, however you feel, whatever your
Speaker 2: truth is, the other side, that's their.
Speaker 3: Truth, you know, make it the truth.
Speaker 2: It doesn't make it the truth. But there's gotta be
Speaker 2: some dialogue.
Speaker 3: I smoked.
Speaker 1: I got on a plane to come out here, and
Speaker 1: I watched something my gay uncle watched thirty years ago,
Speaker 1: and I just was too young to even understand to
Speaker 1: watch it at all. And I got a chance to
Speaker 1: see a lot of stuff because my parents were so young.
Speaker 1: The other kids wouldn't seen. But Parents is Burning such
Speaker 1: an interesting movie. You know, it's about these gay kids
Speaker 1: in New York and about these drag balls that they're throwing.
Speaker 1: So but but what I learned about poverty. And I
Speaker 1: had a friend named Kevin Man. He was an amazingly
Speaker 1: brilliant organizer. He was a kid whose parents, because he
Speaker 1: was gay, had kicked him out, and he lived in
Speaker 1: a foster home of sources. And I saw him be
Speaker 1: used and abused by older men in terms that you
Speaker 1: could tell the story. I was hip enough to know
Speaker 1: if he came out black Eye son happened, you know,
Speaker 1: that kind of ship. But it made me really have
Speaker 1: even more empathy and love for him. He's gone now,
Speaker 1: you know, God bless it dead. But I saw these
Speaker 1: kids that were just from positive it's poor kids. So
Speaker 1: they talked about how how at first with the older
Speaker 1: guys at that time, they had you know, done big
Speaker 1: feathers and balls and things. It made them feel good
Speaker 1: about themselves. It was an alternative feeling of poverty. And
Speaker 1: then the kids got into a designer you know it
Speaker 1: was it was Eve Saint Laurent, that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: and they presented themselves that way. But I didn't know
Speaker 1: there were all these sub categories of what was real
Speaker 1: or what could And I just said, Wow, this really
Speaker 1: is a group of human beings that created another reality
Speaker 1: for themselves as a as a as an autonative and
Speaker 1: pain and desperation. Essentially, I participated in that through hip hop. Essentially,
Speaker 1: kids who are who are sports heads participated that. If
Speaker 1: you hear somebody ever talk about jiu jitsu, and you'll
Speaker 1: think they're talking about a religion.
Speaker 3: You know, you know what I'm saying, what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So for me, that helped.
Speaker 1: Expand my understanding in a way that I cannot go
Speaker 1: forward not understanding, you know what I mean. I can
Speaker 1: go forward disagreeing or agreeing, or go forward without understanding exactly.
Speaker 1: And that's so for me. I'm I'm on a mission
Speaker 1: or journey of life trying to understand more.
Speaker 2: I always say that about like the abortion thing, Like
Speaker 2: however you feel about the abortion thing. I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: I'm a pro choice guy within reason, but like the
Speaker 2: other side, I get if you feel like it's murdered.
Speaker 2: I can't even say nothing to you. I understand your perspective,
Speaker 2: and I understand why you're so passionate about it. I
Speaker 2: might not agree, but you got your stance, and I
Speaker 2: get it. People have to be more like aware of
Speaker 2: like other people's perspective because you work with people who
Speaker 2: you don't agree with every day you're you're you're gonna
Speaker 2: stand in line next to somebody a subway with somebody
Speaker 2: done with.
Speaker 1: Them to hear them out, and you could disagree. I
Speaker 1: got a television show called Love and Respect. We just
Speaker 1: want an Emmy for it. I want a day and
Speaker 1: want to amy for interview with Bernice King, doctor King's
Speaker 1: youngest daughter.
Speaker 3: Doctor me. M okay, you his daughter.
Speaker 1: But this show is all about just having conversations with
Speaker 1: people I might agree or disagree with, you know, and
Speaker 1: and I've disagreed with blatantly liberal people disagree with blatantly conservative.
Speaker 1: And and my thing is at the end of each talk,
Speaker 1: though I know I've connected more to another human. I
Speaker 1: think that should be Ultimately, that's would be what we're
Speaker 1: pushing for. So even in matters of business, if I'm
Speaker 1: selling the product just because it's from a place of
Speaker 1: my own humanity, I wanted a barbershop. I think barbershops
Speaker 1: are cool places to buy my T shirts and socks
Speaker 1: because I don't want to buy the fucking gas station.
Speaker 1: So my barbershop sells a branded heath, a gray, black
Speaker 1: and white teeth.
Speaker 3: That's fire.
Speaker 1: Get your white tea right there, and it's and it
Speaker 1: and it matches your jay's it's the same, healthy.
Speaker 3: Great. You get what I'm saying, You know, I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't want to go into beauty supply store with
Speaker 1: with with with my cousins, with the fucking caps on
Speaker 1: their head and my little nieces running through that bit.
Speaker 1: So you can buy your chef who's the self right there?
Speaker 1: I want it So I want to create business. That's natural,
Speaker 1: you know to me. I just got like thirty thousand
Speaker 1: the square foot of squarehouse space in Atlanta. We're going
Speaker 1: to be doing our own you know, similar ship studio stuff. Man,
Speaker 1: you know, so I just I'm just trying to leave
Speaker 1: a legacy.
Speaker 2: You're doing recording studios or yeah, just.
Speaker 1: No prompt film and filman film in and audio. So
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to do recording studios. You're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to record.
Speaker 2: Your Podcastlanta's the new Hollywood man. Yeah, I think I
Speaker 2: think Tyler Perry his paces.
Speaker 3: He's a man man.
Speaker 1: He watches I didn't know I was so heavily involved,
Speaker 1: but they used me a lot of his his prime
Speaker 1: movie that entary yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to watch it because he.
Speaker 3: Is powerful and inspire.
Speaker 2: He's like the boss.
Speaker 3: How he's powerful.
Speaker 2: This guy should have owned bet right now. They fucked
Speaker 2: that up.
Speaker 3: Well, signs don't happen. You know, you don't get it
Speaker 3: the first time, you know, no.
Speaker 2: But it's crazy. He's sure on a black person.
Speaker 1: You're on BT Hey, I agree, but we're gonna see
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen byron A Byron Allen wanted it too.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I think you know, I think fifty took
Speaker 1: us out of it. I want to see I'm cheating
Speaker 1: full so all to win.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, fifty, I was just well, I want to
Speaker 2: We had a there's a network that somebody just left recently,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what if fifty came in and
Speaker 2: ran that network and had all his own Like fifty
Speaker 2: needs his own network.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna happen, like he pops stars off.
Speaker 3: I think it's gonna happen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's crazy. We'll listen. Man. The album is
Speaker 2: Michael a piece of art. Thank you, beautiful album. Everyone
Speaker 2: should go listen to. It is my album of the year.
Speaker 2: I really actually don't even think it's close.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean that with all due respect. Usually I would
Speaker 2: tell you if I was like and technically metro Booming
Speaker 2: came out last year and I love the metro Booming album,
Speaker 2: But this year, I don't think it's close. So I
Speaker 2: don't think it's close. There's not another album that has
Speaker 2: even made me quite because usually I'm like, man, it's
Speaker 2: by the time December hit, You're like, damn, it's like
Speaker 2: three or four. It's only one and then the rest.
Speaker 1: And just sit down and if y'all and if y'all
Speaker 1: think is man, just sit down and listen. Listening off
Speaker 1: and hard. You ain't got to like me, but boy,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be hard not to love this album.
Speaker 2: Your percent. Man, Hey, I wonder are you Are you
Speaker 2: going back on Rogan anytime soon?
Speaker 3: I know that's yeah.
Speaker 1: Rogan is yeah. Rogan first of all, definitely friendship. Love
Speaker 1: him to death and his whole staff over those guys
Speaker 1: are great.
Speaker 2: Have you into the comedy Mothership yet?
Speaker 3: Yes? I got went over there, stalled the ship solid.
Speaker 2: I wasn't.
Speaker 3: It was amazing.
Speaker 1: He put me up in these little the Seatson in
Speaker 1: the balcony. It was held of dark. No one even
Speaker 1: knew I was in there was it was.
Speaker 3: It was dope. I had a great time. Rogan.
Speaker 1: Man, I just want to say, I just just man.
Speaker 1: He to me, Man, he stands on the side of
Speaker 1: truth tellers.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't.
Speaker 1: You don't always people don't always agree with him. He
Speaker 1: doesn't always agree with people. We don't always agree with
Speaker 1: one another. But man, there's something to be said for
Speaker 1: letting people have platform to just discuss agreeances and disagreeances.
Speaker 1: So I agree, you know, I value value it for
Speaker 1: that reason, you know, value him as a human for
Speaker 1: that reason. And he taught me the beauty of eating
Speaker 1: elk meat and peppers, because god damn.
Speaker 2: Seeing those posts, I haven't ever had. Have you had
Speaker 2: elk meat?
Speaker 3: Yes, you should have it. It's good.
Speaker 1: It's a vendicent of sorts, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Sweet dear, you gotta remember, we eat deer hog.
Speaker 2: You know, That's what I feel so terrible and Mexico
Speaker 2: he just killed hogs and left.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like you shouldn't.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just you know, I guess you ain't
Speaker 1: got to eat everyhow, but if you don't, you should
Speaker 1: eat a hog.
Speaker 2: You kid had loaded them into the helicopter.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but sometimes there are trucks too that are
Speaker 1: out there, but they don't.
Speaker 3: They don't eat any oft a holl.
Speaker 1: No. They when my grandpa was from Man, they there's
Speaker 1: hog farms down there, so they you know, crow hog.
Speaker 1: They and they slaughtered a hog there and they'd already
Speaker 1: have dug a pit into the ground. So my grandma
Speaker 1: they cook the hogs above ground, right to keep my
Speaker 1: grandpa's from they cooked their hogs in the ground. Totally
Speaker 1: different type of flavor.
Speaker 2: Are crazy, oh man, That's why I said the same thing.
Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, can we like, can we like take
Speaker 2: something from this hog? So feeling is bad? They're like,
Speaker 2: no coyotes to eat them. Somebody's gonna eat.
Speaker 3: It, damn Like we just there's too many of them.
Speaker 2: There's millions of.
Speaker 1: That's what tex has got all the money. That's who
Speaker 1: you know, you're richest. Fuck you just go, man, I'm
Speaker 1: a little stressed. I'm gonna kills them.
Speaker 3: Fucking hall That's really it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I appreciate you pulling up my love and respect. Well,
Speaker 2: first of all, congrats on the nominee. And I listen February,
Speaker 2: I think is when the Grammys.
Speaker 3: February four, I believe. So I want to party with
Speaker 3: a mess.
Speaker 1: So, hey, man, y'all send me a lot of good
Speaker 1: energy man, and you know the people on the Grammy community. Man,
Speaker 1: I just want to I just want to say, I
Speaker 1: want to employ that you get an album and listen
Speaker 1: with an over heart. Yeah, it's no better representation of
Speaker 1: rapping this fifty of yet in this album.
Speaker 2: I don't even I don't know how the Grammys work.
Speaker 2: I just know that, you know, they've gotten some stuff
Speaker 2: right and they've gotten some stuff wrong. They got it
Speaker 2: right that they nominated you, and let's hope they get
Speaker 2: it right there.
Speaker 3: Let's bring it.
Speaker 2: You got to bring one of them three home.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I want to, you know the one I
Speaker 3: want wrap Album of the Year covers everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know under Man there it is man Killer, Mike,
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