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Speaker 1: Hello everybody. It is Thursday, the second of I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: turn this off. Actually, hey on it is Thursday, the second,

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Speaker 1: excuse me, not the second, the twenty second of October

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty. My name is Luke Thomas. This is episode

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Speaker 1: fifty two of the Luke Thomas Live Chat. I hope

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Speaker 1: everyone is doing well. I'm happy that you are here.

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Speaker 1: I hope that our Let me turn this up a

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Speaker 1: little bit. All right, all right, here we go. I

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Speaker 1: think that's better with the audio. Anyway, We're gonna get

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Speaker 1: to a lot today UFC two fifty four. What are

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Speaker 1: we gonna get to? We're gonna get to kabeb, We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get to gaechee. Any of the questions that you

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Speaker 1: guys had if I apologize for sweating, I just showered

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Speaker 1: after lifting weights in my front yard. Well I got

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Speaker 1: a story about that. This is weird due that comes

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Speaker 1: by every time I do it. But uh, okay, with

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Speaker 1: that out of the way, let's get the started, get

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Speaker 1: the video of thumbs up, hit that subscribe button. We

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Speaker 1: have a bunch of stuff to get to do we not, Yes,

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Speaker 1: we do, all right, and we are back. Okay. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so the weather's nicer So I've been lifting weights in

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Speaker 1: my front yard a little bit. More gyms are open,

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Speaker 1: but you have to wear a mask like the entire

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Speaker 1: time you're there, which I've done a couple. I've done

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Speaker 1: that a few times. But you know, it's just not

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Speaker 1: which is the position that I've come to, certainly when

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Speaker 1: there's this homeless dude who comes by. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't okay, maybe he's not homeless. I think he's homeless.

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Speaker 1: He certainly meets all the outward uh you know, he

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Speaker 1: And every time he comes by, Man, he's not asking

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Speaker 1: too happy to give him. It's like, I don't care,

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Speaker 1: it's fine. You know. He always goes, hey, Man, let

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Speaker 1: me lift weights with you. And every time, Man, every

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Speaker 1: time I say, now, I'm good man. You know, I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm good. It's the solo operation. Here. He literally says

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Speaker 1: the exact same thing I mean, he'll slightly tweak it

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Speaker 1: We put up a thread on the community tab usually

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Speaker 1: uh one day in advance. So let me pull that

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Speaker 1: and go there right now here we are, okay, let's

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Speaker 1: do this. Sorry about that story, it's just I can't.

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Speaker 1: I've never have I never had anything like that happen.

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Speaker 1: And it's you know this, it's twice a week at

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Speaker 1: work out. All right, let's get to it. First question, Hi, Luke,

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Speaker 1: I always hear about how Kabeb dominates in training against

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Speaker 1: any way suggesting that he doesn't have success against walter

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Speaker 1: And I would imagine could be was the kind of

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Speaker 1: do against the top one seventiers, and MA hunch is

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Speaker 1: it would be exactly what you think. It would be

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Speaker 1: They don't look the same. So you know, I am

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Speaker 1: lose badly, that could come back to haul you. Now. Conversely,

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Speaker 1: quantity went down. By virtue of his quantity offensively going down.

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Speaker 1: The amount of times he got hit plummeted, right, because

424
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Speaker 1: before he would just kind of stand there a little

425
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: bit and pressure and he would just cover up and

426
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Speaker 1: be drilled over and over again. Now he is in

427
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 1: and out side to side setting it up. Sometimes he

428
00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: likes what he sees and he throws whatever that may be.

429
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Speaker 1: But a lot of times he circles back out and

430
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: he takes his time. Okay, so that's the first part

431
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Speaker 1: is he doesn't get hit as much. He lands less,

432
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Speaker 1: but much more qualitatively. And what that has allowed him

433
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Speaker 1: to do is stay at a safer distance. Right, he

434
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,640
Speaker 1: stands further apart because now he can negotiate that space

435
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: a little bit better. If you don't know how to negotiate,

436
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 1: you have to just stand there. But if you know

437
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 1: how to negotiate and bridge that gap, you can actually

438
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Speaker 1: get pretty far. So as he does that, he's throwing

439
00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 1: a lot of calf kicks. And the reason why the

440
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: calfkicks are so important is because you can throw those

441
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: relative to the traditional multi kicks to the thigh. You

442
00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 1: can throw those from further away. Now that doesn't mean

443
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: that just because he does that could be won't have

444
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Speaker 1: some answer for it. I'm just pointing out giving your options.

445
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good one, and he likes to start

446
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Speaker 1: out with it and then bring the hands along after it.

447
00:25:21,640 --> 00:25:24,320
Speaker 1: The Barboza fight is a pretty good example of that.

448
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 1: That's the thing he did there a lot, So I

449
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: would say he's going to use both. When it comes

450
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Speaker 1: to his hands. What is he really good at? You know,

451
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Speaker 1: I tend to think that you have to really pressure

452
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Speaker 1: could be pressuring him potentially ups the possibility he could

453
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Speaker 1: get a takedown, because it's a lot easier to take

454
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Speaker 1: someone down if they're trying to push into you, especially

455
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Speaker 1: if you get that level change and that timing just right.

456
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: So there's an added risk there. But just what the

457
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: tape shows when he gets really pressured backwards, his offense

458
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:57,320
Speaker 1: kind of shuts down a little bit. Now that doesn't

459
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Speaker 1: last very long, but from what time does last, it

460
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 1: has you know, the sort of noticeable impact. But that

461
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 1: will also help him navigate the distance. Back him up,

462
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: land leg kicks, switch stance into combination to close the distance.

463
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,240
Speaker 1: He's very good at collar ties, right, He'll switch dance

464
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Speaker 1: to get into range. Then he'll grab the back of

465
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Speaker 1: the head and then he'll you know, fire a shot

466
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Speaker 1: behind it. A lot of times what he'll do is

467
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 1: whole fake and knee tap takedown, use that to establish

468
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Speaker 1: the collar tie and then drive a shot across. So

469
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Speaker 1: those are a lot of the things he likes to do.

470
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Speaker 1: He has a phenomenal left hook that he a lot

471
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Speaker 1: of finishes a lot of combinations with, and he can

472
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Speaker 1: switch stance, not merely to get into range, but as

473
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Speaker 1: you saw, he can finish off opposition as they move

474
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Speaker 1: along the fence line to like if you pressure them

475
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: and they got to go one way and they go

476
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Speaker 1: another way. He can switch dance to intercept like he

477
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:49,600
Speaker 1: did for Barboza, which is almost identical to what Stepe

478
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 1: did to DC and what the first or second round

479
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 1: of their fight and the third time. So he's got

480
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 1: a lot of skills in that way. The only risk

481
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Speaker 1: is to the extent you can land a punch on someone,

482
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: you can be taken down. Right. The old rule for

483
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 1: double leg is if I can reach my arm out

484
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,360
Speaker 1: and touch you, that's how far I need to be

485
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:15,679
Speaker 1: before I shoot. On the other hand, what we have

486
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 1: seen from Numberkamdov is he will shoot from way outside,

487
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: way outside. So you know, it's a bit of a

488
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: complicated scenario. You just got to pick where you think

489
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Speaker 1: you're going to be best and let a rock. I think,

490
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,840
Speaker 1: do you think it's strange that the UFC accepts fighters

491
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: gambling on their own teammates fights. It's a sport that

492
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 1: insider information can affect odds greatly, in one where all

493
00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: but the top echelon of fighters aren't earning great money.

494
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: I have not thought about that very much. I mean,

495
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: the consequence once is of throwing a fight is uh,

496
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: you know, banishment from the sport basically if you get caught,

497
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: which is a fairly strong deterrent. I think, I don't know.

498
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I tend to think it's probably not

499
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: a big problem, but I could see how someone might

500
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: abuse the system, if that's what you mean. But I

501
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: don't have a good thought on that. I need to

502
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: I need to think about that more. It's it's a

503
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: fine question. I just don't have a great answer for it. Jesus,

504
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: what kind of question is this? Would you rather battle

505
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: one brock Lesnar sized cabide man, fuck that or five

506
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: Karla aspar Asa sized brock Lesners. Kind of a dumb

507
00:28:55,240 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: ass question, is this? I don't know, Uh, your mom,

508
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't want to. We don't want

509
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: to say some dumbass shit like this. All right, considering

510
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: you've watched a lot of footage on kamsat Chimayev. Is

511
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 1: there anybody outside the top five of either welterweight or

512
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Speaker 1: middleweight that you think gives him a run for his

513
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: money and provides a level of resistance he has not faced? Sure,

514
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: anyone outside the top five? I mean, I understand this?

515
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 1: Or do you think he runs through everyone until facing

516
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Speaker 1: a top five continder? Man, Listen, I know this sounds

517
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: like some kind of like dodge, but it's it's really not.

518
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: Chamaiev obviously looks the part. And when I say look,

519
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: it looks the part, I'm not making a cosmetic assessment

520
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 1: of his facial hair. I'm saying every time he steps

521
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 1: in the octagon, he just looks like he has something

522
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: special going on. But hello, you know, Gerald Miershart was

523
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 1: interesting because he showed that he has power Jemaiev did.

524
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: But guys, the amount of like assuredness everyone has that

525
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: he's gonna mow down contender six through fifteen, you'all got

526
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: to stop that shit. I'm not telling you it's wrong.

527
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you it's right. I'm saying it's a

528
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: situation that heretofore is unknowable. It's not knowable. You can

529
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 1: make an educated guess, but you don't know. You don't know,

530
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: and I mean, like, what is Yes, everything he's done

531
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 1: has been very very impressive. I certainly acknowledge. And you know,

532
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 1: the tape on him knocking people out on the regional

533
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 1: scene should have told everyone that against Meershark, that was

534
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Speaker 1: at least a possibility that they should have taken. Seriously,

535
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 1: we've been over that a few times. But like, have

536
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: him fight someone in the top fifteen, outside of the

537
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 1: top ten first. If they win that and he wins

538
00:30:57,480 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 1: it impressively and like you know, oh my god, it

539
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: was crazy dominant. Okay, bump him up the food chain.

540
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: Then pump the brakes, pump the breaks. This is not

541
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: a declaration that it's all hot air and there's no

542
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: truth to it and he'll lose the instant he faces. No,

543
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: maybe he's the next champion. I don't know, but I'm

544
00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 1: just saying there's like this assuredness that Okay, well he's

545
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 1: ready to fight you know Colby at one point seventy

546
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: or Bohashina at middleweight. Now you got some work to do. Player.

547
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,120
Speaker 1: What you have shown has been very very impressive. There's

548
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: a long road of impressive victories. You have to get

549
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: to before you start talking about somebody at that level.

550
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: So first of all, pick a weight class, and then

551
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: second of all, let's see what you can really do.

552
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: I would have loved to have seen the Neil Magni fight.

553
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: That would have been very, very good. You know, maybe

554
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: I even favored sh Might I have to beat Magnie,

555
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: I don't know, But there's like this amount of Okay, well,

556
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: I mean, let's just go ahead and give him the

557
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: you know, UFC Honorary Belt because we can just you know,

558
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 1: set our watch to the deck of him being labeled

559
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: as a champions. Like y'all know that, like the challenges

560
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: he has in front of him are way fucking harder

561
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: than the ones he's had to this point. Right, everyone

562
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: knows that. Will you send your daughter to public school,

563
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:21,479
Speaker 1: private or homeschool? Why, well, definitely not homeschool because they

564
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 1: come out weird when you do that. I went to

565
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 1: public school all my life, which was an experience. I

566
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: don't know, man, do y'all know y'all may not know this. Washington,

567
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: d C. Has the most expensive healthcare I'm not sorry,

568
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 1: daycare of any city in the country, more than New York,

569
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 1: more than La more than San Francisco. It's number one,

570
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,239
Speaker 1: number one for childcare costs as it relates to that.

571
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: So I'm already being bled dry for that kind of shit. Uh,

572
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. I don't know. I'm not

573
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: opposed to public schools because I went to them, but

574
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 1: you know, I think every parent's going to do what's

575
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: best in their child's interest, and I'll have to evaluate

576
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: that later. Who has a better hairline? Kabebe or Luke?

577
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 1: Probably Kobeb, but he didn't do a whole lot with it.

578
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: Not that I'm like, you know, killing the game or anything,

579
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: but you know, I got at least a little product

580
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 1: in my hair and beard. Okay, did you not have

581
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,320
Speaker 1: a live chat last week? Well? I tried, but I

582
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 1: had a gazillion tech problems right off the bat, which

583
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: I've now resolved, and so I just deleted the the

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Speaker 1: file of the video ID. I didn't even mess with it.

585
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: I just deleted it straight up. Am I the only

586
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: one who thinks Whittaker is going to get steamrolled by Cannon?

587
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: Ear Man? Boy? This is funny. This is a funny one.

588
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 1: I was looking at the odds if you guys don't

589
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: go to Best Fight odds dot Com. You should. It's

590
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 1: a great repositive. They don't pay me or anything. It's

591
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: no plug or Payola. It's just a great reference tool.

592
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: And in fact, I'll go there right now. Best fine.

593
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: And if you want boxing odds, if you click on it,

594
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: they have a like underneath. They have latest odds, archive alerts,

595
00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: widget boxing. If you click on boxing you can get

596
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: all the boxing odds. But okay, they have cannon Ear

597
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: Whittaker as a pick em boy. I don't agree with

598
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: that at all. Now, Normally, when you say that the

599
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 1: odds are different from with the actual reality of how

600
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: competitive it might be, the default response is that right.

601
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: But the odds are often set as a way to

602
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: induce betting, not merely reflect someone's chances. Right, It's not

603
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: a scientific analysis. It's also a way to get people

604
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: to fork over cash. In that case, though, there's no

605
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: real benefit to the bet because there's no real way

606
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: it'll earn a lot. So that's not the greatest explanation.

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00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: I don't understand the idea that Cannonear and Whittaker will

608
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 1: have an equal chance. Now, even if it was let's

609
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 1: say Cannonear plus one fifty Whittaker minus one twenty where

610
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: Whittaker was a very modest favorite, and Whittaker was at

611
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: plus one fifty. Understand he would be Cannonear in that case,

612
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:21,040
Speaker 1: the underdog there, but still have a very The oddsmakers

613
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,919
Speaker 1: would still be telling you that is an extremely competitive fight.

614
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 1: Right here, they're telling you it's a coin flip. I

615
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:30,880
Speaker 1: don't agree that it's a coin flip. I would actually

616
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 1: favor Whittaker. And here's the reason why it's cannon Ear.

617
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: It is true at middleweight he is way better than

618
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: he was at light or heavy. I mean, it's hard

619
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Speaker 1: to imagine that he fought at heavyweight at a time,

620
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:48,760
Speaker 1: but he certainly did. But he's very athletic, he's certainly

621
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:54,440
Speaker 1: well developed, well schooled, comes from a great camp. But

622
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: I think to the extent that you bring in an

623
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 1: opponent that really is good about making use of angles, timing, feints, misdirection,

624
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 1: that's when they're able to have some success. Now at

625
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,600
Speaker 1: light heavyweight, you know, Glover to share, I took him

626
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: down and passed his guard, and you know, okay, well

627
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: that's different. It was not the right way class for him.

628
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: And Glover's a beast and he's great on the ground

629
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Speaker 1: and like, okay, whatever, But on the feet, it was

630
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,919
Speaker 1: the things that I think aforementioned, well, you know, those

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00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: tend to be things that Robert Whittaker is very good at,

632
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Speaker 1: and now you're going to add speed to them and blitzing. Now,

633
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: I suppose if cannon Ear has a really good game

634
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: plan built around timing, standing your ground, leg kicks, doing

635
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,239
Speaker 1: a lot of fainting himself to slow Whittaker down like

636
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: Til did, then maybe he might be able to get

637
00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: somewhere with it. I don't want you to This is

638
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:55,240
Speaker 1: not some declaration that this is an unwinnable fight for Cannoneer.

639
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 1: Cannoneer is very much, in my mind, a live dog.

640
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: I think he's very, very talented. Okay, I just didn't

641
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: understand the odds that it was a coin flip. That's

642
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: the part that I'm a little bit like. And that

643
00:37:06,520 --> 00:37:07,840
Speaker 1: even by the way, I know if some betters are

644
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: gonna say, oh, that's not exactly what Pickle means, I understand.

645
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to make the best uh. I'm trying

646
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: to explain it as best I can in the most

647
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: layman terms possible. So to me, I think Whittaker should

648
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: be the favorite slight, slight, but should be the favorite.

649
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: He showed up poorly against Adasanya and was very careful

650
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 1: against Till. Cannoneer is typically somebody you're gonna be able

651
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: to be, at least relative to what Till now does.

652
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: Show a little bit more, the fin will be opened

653
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: up a little bit more. So I don't I don't.

654
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: I don't quite understand that one candidly, but you know

655
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: you claim that Canon is gonna wipe the floor with him. Okay,

656
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,759
Speaker 1: I would love to see it, because, by the way,

657
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:57,520
Speaker 1: it'd be a fresh challenge for Audasanya. I think Cannoneer

658
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 1: is a good dude. It'd be nice to see a

659
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: good dude in the get an opportunity. But I think

660
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: you know both of these guys have their work cut

661
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,720
Speaker 1: out for him. When do we get a BC live chat?

662
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: I don't know ASBC, but this is my live chat.

663
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 1: I have noticed that fighters aren't scrambling to put on

664
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: their rebox shirts for post fight interviews anymore. Do you

665
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: think that's soon all Rebok logos excuse me, will be

666
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: blurred out on archived fights like other unapproved sponsors. I

667
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:33,399
Speaker 1: doubt it. You know how much work that is that's

668
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: seven years of you know, thousands of fights. I bet

669
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 1: they're just gonna let it rock. That's just too much work.

670
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,560
Speaker 1: You reviewed the movie Warrior on Morning Combat with BC. Yes,

671
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 1: very overrated, but some really good, strong individual performances. This

672
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: person asks, have you ever watched the show Kingdom? I

673
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 1: have not. I personally found to be a bit more

674
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: enjoyable and better than Warrior. Of course, there's a few

675
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 1: foibles and it's not perfect, but for an MMA based

676
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: fictional TV show, I found the storylines compelling. Overall, I

677
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,760
Speaker 1: enjoyed it more than Warrior. Do you have any thoughts

678
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: on it as a show and it versus the movie Warrior?

679
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: And if you haven't seen it, I highly recommend it.

680
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: It's finally available on Netflix, so no jank streams required. Okay,

681
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: let me say this. I have heard nothing but good

682
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: things about Warrior, excuse the Kingdom from a lot of

683
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 1: people who have good taste in movies or TV shows.

684
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: So when you tell me it's good, you are echoing

685
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 1: the honest recommendations from people who I know what they're

686
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,399
Speaker 1: looking at and care about. I just don't have any

687
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,960
Speaker 1: more time in my life for like MMA. Stuff like

688
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: Mma consumes so much of my life that if I

689
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: don't have to do something with it, I don't want to.

690
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't want to play UFC video game. I don't

691
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, I don't I don't

692
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: want to talk fights with Luckily, none of my friends

693
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,520
Speaker 1: watch fights. Uh you know, they'll watch like you know,

694
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 1: actually it's funny. Some are gonna watch the number game

695
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 1: made off Fight Nirmerga, made off Habibe Jorge, you know,

696
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: that kind of a thing. They'll talk about it with me,

697
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: but otherwise they don't ask, which I used to be

698
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 1: like really annoyed about when I was like fucking insane

699
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: about MMA and I had you know, I had no

700
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: other priority in life. But I have other priorities and

701
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 1: so you have to understand, like to make you know,

702
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: it took me a long time to make that Gayschee

703
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: interview or an interview sorry video one because I had

704
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: to shoot it and edit it. But I had to

705
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 1: go through and find all the clips through all his

706
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: fights that I wanted to use. And then you know, oh, Luke,

707
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: you don't have to shoot in four K, all right,

708
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,919
Speaker 1: I don't, but that's not gonna say that much time.

709
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: It's just let's say's a little bit of time on

710
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: the back end, and like this Habib fight. You know,

711
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 1: I had to go through the last five years of

712
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 1: his fights, make a list of all the things I

713
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 1: thought would be relevant, and then go through and then

714
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,319
Speaker 1: identify all of them, chop them up, put them on there.

715
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,279
Speaker 1: You know, on Sundays, I have to spend all my

716
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 1: Sundays mostly away from my family to prep for Monday show,

717
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 1: to get everything I need ready for Dissected. You know,

718
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: if I don't have to be paying attention to MMA.

719
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 1: And we're not talking about a lot of time here,

720
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 1: We're talking about a very little amount of time. I

721
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: don't want to. I don't. I don't I don't want

722
00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: to be around it. There's other things I would rather do.

723
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a bunch of books I've not

724
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 1: been even able to read just yet. I'm behind on that,

725
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: you know, including the last one I showed you. So

726
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: I'd rather do that. But you might be right. I'm

727
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:40,799
Speaker 1: sure it's a good show. I'd take no issue with

728
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: your assessment. Referring to your comments on last Wednesday's episode

729
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: of Morning Combat, saying Kabebe or any other Dagistani is

730
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,080
Speaker 1: budding it with Kadirov is like saying in North Korean

731
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: is budding up to Kim Jong un. Kadirov is a

732
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: murderous dictator that can and has had Chechens a Kakistani

733
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 1: killed for what you and many other Americans would be

734
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:07,000
Speaker 1: considered almost nothing. His entire family and friends quite literally

735
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: live next door to Khadirov. At the first sign of disrespect,

736
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: Kadirov could have anyone in Chesch near Dakistan quote unquote touched. Basically,

737
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: if you're a public figure in that region and Kadirov

738
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 1: invites you to come have dinner with him or anyone else,

739
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 1: you don't just turn him down your thoughts. Right, this

740
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 1: is about the one thousandth time someone has brought this

741
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: up to me, and it's a perfectly reasonable response. But

742
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:31,440
Speaker 1: it just assumes a lot. It assumes that everybody in

743
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 1: Kadirov's orbit, literally one hundred percent in every case, every day,

744
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: all the time, doesn't share his ideas in part, in worldview,

745
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: or in some kind of troubling fraction of it. I mean, right,

746
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,600
Speaker 1: you're just automatically assuming the good faith response here. I mean,

747
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 1: there are people who are committed within North Korea to

748
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: preserving its communist dictatorship. That's a real thing. Are absolutely

749
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: committed to it. There's a lot that of course, aren't

750
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: that have no choice? To your point, so like, is

751
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 1: it entirely conceivable that number Gona made offf can't stand

752
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: that guy, but to your point, just goes through the

753
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 1: motions as a way of, you know, keeping himself and

754
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: his family safe. Yes, of course, and then perhaps even

755
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: the most likely I'm not here impugning his character for

756
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 1: things I don't know, but you absolutely cannot dispute the

757
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: other part, right, you cannot. I mean, if you don't

758
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: draw a distinction between yourself and Kadirov, which he doesn't do,

759
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: the question is relevant. The question is relevant, and what

760
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: the answer might be. You can choose to take the

761
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: rosy assessment or you can choose to not take the

762
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: rosy assessment. Either is perfectly valid, but you cannot for

763
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 1: whatever reasons of self preservation or this is how politics

764
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:52,719
Speaker 1: is done in the Middle East, or well, you know

765
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,440
Speaker 1: it's not quite the Middle East at that point, but

766
00:43:55,480 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: the caucus region, Fine, make whatever assessment you want to make,

767
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: but everyone just defaults to, oh, well, it must be

768
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:06,560
Speaker 1: the good guy assessment. Maybe it is, maybe it's not.

769
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: You don't know. You don't know, And he's had a

770
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: number of other viewpoints related to various art exhibits or

771
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 1: music acts in Dakistan that have not been exactly like

772
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 1: in lockstep with you know what I would call modern

773
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: progressive values. That doesn't mean he shares Kaderov's worldview. To

774
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: be clear, I don't know what he shares, but the

775
00:44:27,200 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 1: question will be relevant as long as that behavior is

776
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:31,720
Speaker 1: a thing that is a part of what he does. Period.

777
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: That's the end of it. Asking the question continuously and

778
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 1: wondering about it is one thousand percent reasonable if it

779
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,600
Speaker 1: makes you feel better as a number comanaw fan to

780
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:45,120
Speaker 1: think that it's just a thing done for political and

781
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 1: personal survival. That's the thing you're allowed to do. But

782
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: you don't know that. You don't know that. What everyone

783
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:56,200
Speaker 1: wants media to do is take a figure that they

784
00:44:56,239 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 1: cover that the fans like, and then true that person

785
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:05,880
Speaker 1: as the fan would were they in the media's position. Sorry,

786
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: that's not how this works, and fans don't have to

787
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 1: like it. We don't do it to get to get well.

788
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: Some media do it to get liked because they're not

789
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,320
Speaker 1: really media. But if you like somebody as an object

790
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 1: of adoration as a fan, I'm not here to police

791
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: your fandom, like what you like. But media is under

792
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: no obligation in every case to adopt this rosy view

793
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: of things because to you that sounds palatable. Is the

794
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: term world champion overused in combat sports? Yes, of course.

795
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: Can we talk about the face off interview with Justin

796
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 1: and Habib? I loved it. No trash, just respect and

797
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 1: violent intentions. Yeah. I mean sometimes the fights, you know,

798
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 1: they don't need a whole lot extra. That is one

799
00:45:57,920 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: thing I like about number made off. I mean the

800
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: Connor fight was just poisonous and awful, right, but in general,

801
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: you don't really need or get that much. You know,

802
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,520
Speaker 1: dust In fight, you got hardly any of it, and

803
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,880
Speaker 1: still it was great. You know, I kind of enjoyed it.

804
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,399
Speaker 1: So the whole argument like, oh well, more trash talk

805
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,560
Speaker 1: will lead to better results. Yeah, maybe that's true, you know,

806
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: in fact, there's a lot of evidence that it's true.

807
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: But if you personally, as a fan or an observer,

808
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,800
Speaker 1: don't need that much to get you excited, I commend

809
00:46:26,840 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 1: you because I think you make a lot of people's

810
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: lives a lot easier. Can we get a full treatment

811
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: with you and BC doing your live post fight show

812
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: Saturday since it ends so early? I think so. I

813
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know, maybe probably, probably. I don't

814
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: want to commit to something we can can't do. It

815
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: really depends on the folks who make the show possible.

816
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 1: But I think so. I mean, you're here's what I

817
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: can tell you. You're definitely gonna get post fight content.

818
00:47:11,680 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 1: I mean that's a given. What kind? I don't know.

819
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: It's a great question. I apologize. I don't have a

820
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 1: better answer for you. Is jorgegen Masmudal a bad stylistic

821
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 1: matchup for socialism? What the fuck does that even mean?

822
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: What does that even mean? I'm gonna skip that. That's

823
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: a ridiculous question. Okay, what are your thoughts about the

824
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: situation between Armenia and Azerbaijan and the reaction of many

825
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,720
Speaker 1: fighters including Dylan Dennis, Edmonshabasi and Travis Brown and Ron Arossi.

826
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:53,320
Speaker 1: I've not seen anyone other that. I don't pay attention

827
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: to any of those folks except Edmund Shabazian h And

828
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: that's remember that flag that he walked out with that

829
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:00,719
Speaker 1: he got in trouble for at the runs in fight

830
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: that flag is the one of the region that is

831
00:48:04,640 --> 00:48:08,879
Speaker 1: causing the dispute between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Yeah, I mean, yeah,

832
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,000
Speaker 1: I mean I support Armenian interest. Is that some kind

833
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:17,279
Speaker 1: of you know, crazy revelation. But again it goes back

834
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: to the original question, like it seems a lot more fighters,

835
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: whether domestically or internationally, seem a lot more inclined to

836
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 1: get involved in political advocacy. Now they might label this

837
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: as you know, national interests or human rights, depending on

838
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 1: how you want to look at it, or you know,

839
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 1: the unfairness of the territorial dispute, or however they want

840
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:46,759
Speaker 1: to label it. But still it's political advocacy on some level.

841
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:49,000
Speaker 1: And they didn't used to do it like this. It's

842
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: kind of interesting, like we live in an age where

843
00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:54,319
Speaker 1: all of the firewalls that kept that kind of thing

844
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: either secret or hidden or just they didn't have any interest.

845
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: They have gone, they've gone away. Did you guys get

846
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: a kick out of Kabebe sending steven A Smith to Hell? Yes?

847
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: Yes I did. I didn't. I mean, you know, I

848
00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 1: like y'all know, I have no love loss for steven A. Smith.

849
00:49:13,280 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: At the same time, I just sort of know how

850
00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 1: the game is played. Like if you are on a

851
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: show like that, the producer is gonna be screaming in

852
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 1: your ear to ask about Connor. There's no way. When

853
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: they planned that show and they told them Kobebe was

854
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: coming on that, they were like, not gonna ask about them.

855
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: They just have to. That's just the way the game

856
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: is played. That's I know it. I guarantee that was

857
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 1: on the when they get a rundown, Okay, here's what

858
00:49:38,840 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: we're gonna have segment by segment on the show. Let's

859
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: talk about it. Blah blah blah. You need to ask

860
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,279
Speaker 1: about Connor and they even I bet you they decided

861
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: ahead of time Steven will ask, you know, Max will

862
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 1: do something different or whatever. I guarantee it. I guarantee it.

863
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:54,239
Speaker 1: So like on some level, you know, I enjoyed it.

864
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: On another level, it's like kind of doing his job

865
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. It looks like Leon Edwards was removed

866
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: from the walterweight rankings on UFC dot com. How much

867
00:50:06,640 --> 00:50:08,640
Speaker 1: longer do you think he can he can wait with

868
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: the UFC possibly playing dirty like that. I mean, I

869
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,720
Speaker 1: said this on Twitter. Hold on, I got some afron.

870
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:17,720
Speaker 1: My nose is closing up. Hold on, it's a second.

871
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,840
Speaker 1: I know this is awful, but you know, I'd like

872
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: to breathe. I'm sure everything looks good. Yeah, yeah, Okay.

873
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,840
Speaker 1: Do y'all want me to like muster some righteous indignation

874
00:50:42,960 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: about this because I don't have any not today. I've

875
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: done this before, man, you know, I mean, here's something

876
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:55,200
Speaker 1: that like in media, if you do it long enough,

877
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: covering MMA, it's like every day is fucking Groundhog Day, man,

878
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: I mean, every day brings something new. That's not the

879
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 1: right analogy, but it's like, God, the echoes of history

880
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:10,400
Speaker 1: are not hard to miss. This has happened before. You know.

881
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 1: They did it with Nate Diaz for a time. And

882
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 1: I mean, here's here's the reality. It's their rankings and

883
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: they're not very good, but they're theirs. And you guys

884
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: know how the UFC operates, Right, unless they are basically

885
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 1: shut down by the force of law, they're going to

886
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: do whatever it is that they want to do now.

887
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: They will be in compliance with the law. Although they

888
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:45,560
Speaker 1: got a little bit dicey there with the when they

889
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,439
Speaker 1: tried to do those shows back in well, they didn't

890
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: do it, but when they were going to go to Tachi.

891
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 1: But in general, you know, you can accuse the UFC

892
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: of a lot of things, but in general, in general,

893
00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: their compliance with what the written legal record requirement is

894
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: is exceptionally high. It's very very very very very high. Okay,

895
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: And so uh, you know, if they own these rankings,

896
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:15,919
Speaker 1: and however terrible they might be, they can control them,

897
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: and they can do whatever they want with them. They're

898
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: going to they have in the past, they're doing it

899
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:25,759
Speaker 1: right now. Am I telling you that that is a

900
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: thing that is fair to Leon? Necessarily? No? Am I

901
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:33,759
Speaker 1: telling you that that the way he's being treated is

902
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,400
Speaker 1: you know that they've not that they've looked looked the

903
00:52:37,440 --> 00:52:39,319
Speaker 1: other way for other fighters, and they didn't look the

904
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: other way for him, based on whatever it is, whatever

905
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 1: criteria they felt was important, you know, without some kind

906
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: of uniform standard. Yes, of course, of course, what am

907
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: I gonna tell you? That's not true? It's obviously true.

908
00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:51,320
Speaker 1: So I'm not telling you that Leon is being treated

909
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: all that great, that's not that's not the point, or

910
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: that he has no right to be mad. Nothing. But dude,

911
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,879
Speaker 1: it's like they're gonna do whatever the fuck they want

912
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 1: to do so you want this kind of stuff to

913
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: go away. It's the same shit we've been saying at

914
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: this point now, year after year. There used to be

915
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: a long time where you could reasonably accuse the MMA media,

916
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: and you could still do it to a certain extent,

917
00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: But there was a long time where you could accuse

918
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: them of not covering sensitive issues related to pay or

919
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:23,439
Speaker 1: the amount of control in the industry that the UFC

920
00:53:23,600 --> 00:53:25,880
Speaker 1: had or blah blah blah. You know, you can't do

921
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: that anymore. There's been enormous amounts of coverage about the

922
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: ALI Act. There's been enormous amounts of coverage. Maybe you

923
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,879
Speaker 1: could say there should be more, but still like it's

924
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: not gone unnoticed. It's not. I mean, I've spent years

925
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: talking about it, years about unionization or having a fighter's

926
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: association or something something with the kind of teeth and

927
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:53,640
Speaker 1: legal imprimature to force the UFC to do other things,

928
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: because if you don't do any of that shit, they're

929
00:53:56,960 --> 00:54:00,120
Speaker 1: just gonna do what they want to do. Folks, do

930
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: you think that this is the last time they're going

931
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 1: to do something like this? Really, you think this is

932
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: the last time they're going to get sideways? With some

933
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 1: fighter who they got an issue with. And by the way,

934
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,560
Speaker 1: he's not blameless here, like turning down the Thompson fight.

935
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, I mean I sort of get it, but

936
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: not really. I guess it's a tough fight he was.

937
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: I think he was sitting at five, you know, you'd

938
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 1: been inactive and blah blah blah, Okay whatever, but like, okay,

939
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,560
Speaker 1: even if you want to take Leon's side and that

940
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 1: folks do, y'all think this is the last time they're

941
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: going to do some shit like this. Really, you know,

942
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:40,680
Speaker 1: I was talking about the other day they were arguing

943
00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: about fighter pay off of the Korean Zombie card with

944
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 1: Ortega versus Limachenko and Lopez, and the comparison is in

945
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: no way all that fair because we're talking about two

946
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,799
Speaker 1: sets of fighters here in different positions in their careers.

947
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:58,839
Speaker 1: But you know, the boxers are going to make more,

948
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: and you know, there's a bunch of people being like

949
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: what about locker room bonuses and blah blah blah. Like

950
00:55:03,880 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: the jig is up, the game is over. There is

951
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: no debate about fighter pay anymore. It is over Donezo.

952
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 1: It is eighteen to twenty percent every year gross revenue

953
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: pegged and they want to keep it that way, and

954
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: the court documents say it's going to be that way,

955
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: that they've got it down to a science to keep

956
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: it that way. So yes, if they go from one

957
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: hundred million in revenue to two hundred million, the money

958
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 1: goes up. It's not stuck at a certain fixed number.

959
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: It's all a function of a proportion. But that's what

960
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: it is. That's just what it is. It's over. It's over.

961
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:42,480
Speaker 1: And if you want it to stop being eighteen to

962
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: twenty percent legislation fighters association or a union, that's it.

963
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 1: That's it, folks, That's just what it's going to be.

964
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:55,800
Speaker 1: It's what it's going to be. So I'm not saying

965
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: there can't be times, you know, where it's okay to

966
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: grab your pitchfork and really you know, or show up

967
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 1: to the to the manager's office and bang your fist

968
00:56:07,280 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: down on the four mica and ask to speak to him.

969
00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: You know, there's gonna be times for that, okay. But

970
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: in general, it's like, you want to be upset about

971
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,120
Speaker 1: Leon Edwards being taken off this I have seen this

972
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: fucking movie before, and by the way, it doesn't necessarily

973
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: end all that badly, Like if he takes another fight,

974
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:25,800
Speaker 1: they'll fire him right back in there. And then the

975
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: rankings panel, who is you know, it's five gerbils and

976
00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: three lizards and then two gangly of bobbing at the

977
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: end of somebody's spine who have just enough of a

978
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:37,919
Speaker 1: corporeal body to type keys to you know, fire up

979
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:42,040
Speaker 1: rankings every every week. You know, they'll put them right

980
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,239
Speaker 1: back there. Like it's not it's not necessarily all that

981
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 1: damaging anyway, based on what we know historically. So you know,

982
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: I just, I just I don't have it in me

983
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: anymore to like, oh, let's rail against the UFC's practices.

984
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: Is it harmful to leon that they did this? Yes,

985
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: of course it is, dude. There's literally one way to

986
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,239
Speaker 1: fix this, well three ways, but in one unless you

987
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 1: have the force of law to compel them to honor

988
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: legislation that gets passed, or the force of law that

989
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,760
Speaker 1: requires them as an entity to negotiate with a union

990
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 1: or whatever the situation like that, that's it, folks. That's

991
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 1: the beginning, and that is the ending of this conversation.

992
00:57:27,800 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 1: I want fighter pay to go up. There is one

993
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: fucking way you get there. That's it. And you cannot

994
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: look to media to be your outrage ventriloquist. You know,

995
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: that's really what they want. Oh well, let's uh, you know,

996
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: the Fighter is gonna put their hand up the ventriloquist dummies,

997
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:52,200
Speaker 1: you know, rear end where my name is, you know,

998
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 1: so and so I work at fuckboy dot MMA dot

999
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: com and I'm so mad about Leon, you know where

1000
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: they just do the on behalf of the Fighter. Media

1001
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 1: has been doing that shit for years, four years, and

1002
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: what has it amounted to? Zip? Zip? You know, I

1003
00:58:10,560 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: think it probably helped a little bit in you know,

1004
00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 1: growing the Overton window about what is acceptable conversation around

1005
00:58:20,600 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 1: some of these issues. Maybe it helped spur some of

1006
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:25,840
Speaker 1: the action as it relates to that big Fighter lawsuit

1007
00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: that's happening right, that kind of a thing, you know,

1008
00:58:28,760 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: But there is just one way you have to force

1009
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:34,040
Speaker 1: them and make them comply with what the law is.

1010
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: And until the law changes, they're just gonna do what

1011
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:45,400
Speaker 1: they always do. And that's it. All right, Let's skip

1012
00:58:45,480 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: this next one because it's not very good. Opinions on

1013
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: Arnold Allen versus Jeremy Stevens and what it could mean

1014
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:55,400
Speaker 1: for both guys. Love that fight, such a great fight.

1015
00:58:56,160 --> 00:58:59,000
Speaker 1: If Alan wins, it'll be an eight fight win streak

1016
00:58:59,040 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 1: in the UFC. Could do Could a big win do

1017
00:59:02,440 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: something similar to the win for Till over Cowboy. I

1018
00:59:05,760 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: don't think you would mean as much as that. I

1019
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: don't think it would be as much as that, but

1020
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: I think it's something relatively I won't see equivalent. It's

1021
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: a bit of a step down from that, but it's

1022
00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:21,360
Speaker 1: pretty close. Arnold Allen is the quietest up and coming

1023
00:59:21,400 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 1: contender probably there is maybe in the UFC at this point.

1024
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:28,400
Speaker 1: He is very talented, very good, but needs some names

1025
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: over some need so excuse me, some wins over some

1026
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: really recognizable names. Steven is a step in that right direction.

1027
00:59:33,920 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 1: I don't think it's quite as impactful as what Till

1028
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: got with the win over Cowboy, but you're on the

1029
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: right track. Some more questions about some Armenian conflicts, I'll

1030
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: skip that for the time being. A tag team dream

1031
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: match is he and DC versus John Jones and Brock.

1032
00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:09,080
Speaker 1: Who wins. The more consistent team is Izzy in DC,

1033
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: so i'll go with them. Another question about Leon Edwards

1034
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: being removed. This question is similar to what I just answered,

1035
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 1: but there's one more thing I want to ask, so

1036
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read it, what do you think unbiased media

1037
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: of the UFC, such as your show, My show is

1038
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: not unbiased. But I'll get to that in a second.

1039
01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,040
Speaker 1: Brandon Schab and others have enough power to create change

1040
01:00:36,080 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: in such issues as fighter pay unionization. As it seems

1041
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 1: at the moment, the largest media content of the UFC

1042
01:00:41,680 --> 01:00:44,160
Speaker 1: is run by UFC employees or friends of Dana White.

1043
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 1: There's a new form of media if you guys have

1044
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:51,520
Speaker 1: seen this, that is like totally buddy buddy with UFC,

1045
01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: like it used to be somewhere like we're gonna be media,

1046
01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 1: but we're gonna like basically be friendly and sort of

1047
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: pretend that we're not friendly as like a way of

1048
01:01:01,680 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 1: showing to the public because they knew. You can blame

1049
01:01:05,240 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 1: those individual media members all you want, but their employers

1050
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: would never let them get away with actual journalism. I mean,

1051
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:14,240
Speaker 1: that was the That's the key factor there. So it

1052
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: really is the companies. I would put some blame on

1053
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: it predominantly, if not exclusively, But and now you see

1054
01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:24,440
Speaker 1: people like just going their own direction and being like,

1055
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, I'm not even gonna fucking pretend to be

1056
01:01:26,040 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 1: anything other than just a fan of this shit, And honestly,

1057
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: it's a more honest way to do it, to be

1058
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 1: quite candid with you, Like they're not claiming there anything

1059
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 1: other than what they are. I speak for the fan.

1060
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:38,080
Speaker 1: I'm a fan. I'm just in it for the fan

1061
01:01:38,160 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 1: shit like, Okay, So there's this bifurcation that has happened

1062
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: on that level. Number one, Number two, my show and

1063
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: anything I do, I am not unbiased. I am completely biased.

1064
01:01:48,680 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: Here's news for everybody. Everybody in media has their own

1065
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: set of biases. Were you born in America? Were you

1066
01:01:55,160 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 1: born overseas? Were you're born rich? Were you born poor?

1067
01:01:58,760 --> 01:02:02,200
Speaker 1: Were you born male, email, white, black, gay, straight? Did

1068
01:02:02,200 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: you have a good education did you have a bad one?

1069
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 1: Did your mom beat the fuck out of you as

1070
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 1: a kid did she not? Did you have a bunch

1071
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: of friends, did you have girlfriends? Did you get laid

1072
01:02:09,400 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: in high school? Did you read enough books? Did you

1073
01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 1: have these formative experiences that change the way you look

1074
01:02:14,360 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 1: at the world. And you can do this all the

1075
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,920
Speaker 1: way up. All of those things will impact how you

1076
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,200
Speaker 1: look at the world. What you have to do is

1077
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,640
Speaker 1: one try to temper any kind of way in which

1078
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 1: you might over value those things. One and two, you

1079
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: have to be honest with the audience about who you are.

1080
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 1: I tell you who I am. I don't make any

1081
01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,920
Speaker 1: any I don't hide anything right, anything that you deserve

1082
01:02:38,040 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 1: to know. In terms of the way in which I

1083
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,840
Speaker 1: look at the world, I tell you. And a lot

1084
01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: of people use that for their own amusement or they

1085
01:02:44,200 --> 01:02:48,880
Speaker 1: use it for the ascribing of bad faith motivation. It's

1086
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,560
Speaker 1: the opposite. It allows you to make a judgment about

1087
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:56,200
Speaker 1: the things I am telling you, rather than me pretending

1088
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 1: to be NBC News. And I'm covering the story exactly

1089
01:02:59,840 --> 01:03:01,920
Speaker 1: as it should be because I have all the motivation

1090
01:03:02,040 --> 01:03:04,720
Speaker 1: I need to do this right. And Walter Cronkite hashtag

1091
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 1: journalism it's a bunch of bullshit. It's not real. It's

1092
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: not real at all. For all of my faults, and

1093
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: there are many, you can at least know that if

1094
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,000
Speaker 1: I'm giving you my opinion, I'm telling it to you honestly,

1095
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 1: and you can weigh it based on everything you know

1096
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 1: about me, about how true it is or how much

1097
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: you want to listen to it or not. You have

1098
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: total freedom in that regard to make an assessment that way.

1099
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:26,479
Speaker 1: Now again, you have to temper some of those things.

1100
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,040
Speaker 1: You can't just give into your own worldview and then

1101
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: turn into advocacy. I think that becomes a problem as well,

1102
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,280
Speaker 1: but you can't hide from it. It's a hard needle

1103
01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:37,520
Speaker 1: to thread, but you have to do it. Secondly, more

1104
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:42,720
Speaker 1: to the point of the question itself, Folks, everyone keeps thinking,

1105
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:44,960
Speaker 1: and I for a time I thought this too, So

1106
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: your question is totally fair. They thought that if the

1107
01:03:49,520 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: media just gave coverage to these issues, it would solve

1108
01:03:52,560 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: the problems. It didn't. Fighters, fans, interested parties, lend me

1109
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 1: your ear verily, I say, unto you, the cavalry ain't coming.

1110
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: The media is not the cavalry, and them amplifying any

1111
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: message or story that you find important. It ain't drawn

1112
01:04:24,920 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: anybody out to come save you. The fighters, if you

1113
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,320
Speaker 1: talk to them in private, they will all talk about

1114
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:34,560
Speaker 1: how much they get fucked six ways to Sunday. They

1115
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: know it. You know, they're not stupid. They know it.

1116
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of them who think that if

1117
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 1: they just wait around, somebody else is going to do

1118
01:04:44,560 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 1: the work for them to get them to a place

1119
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: where they can then have a union or whatever. Whatever

1120
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,880
Speaker 1: the fixed situation is where the pay will go up

1121
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:54,680
Speaker 1: and everything will get better. And maybe this lawsuit will

1122
01:04:54,720 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 1: be that, but even if it is, it's going to

1123
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,160
Speaker 1: take a long time to get there. I mean, we

1124
01:04:58,200 --> 01:05:00,440
Speaker 1: still haven't even got to the point where class areification

1125
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: has happened. But what if that lawsuit fails? Like the

1126
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:10,919
Speaker 1: cavalry ain't coming. It ain't common, folks, it's the same.

1127
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:15,480
Speaker 1: It sounds like some kind of stupid bumper sticker wisdom,

1128
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,760
Speaker 1: Obama Esque in its ridiculousness, but it really is kind

1129
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: of true, which is, if you want change in the world,

1130
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:26,480
Speaker 1: you have to be the creator of it. It's as

1131
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 1: simple as that. You know, the cavalry ain't coming. And

1132
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:35,720
Speaker 1: so I don't think that there are enough parties who

1133
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: have accepted that. I mean, what else could How many

1134
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:42,880
Speaker 1: more op eds can be written about pay, About how

1135
01:05:42,920 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: bad the rankings are, about how the Rebok outfitting policy

1136
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: was totally unfair, about how whatever the good things you

1137
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:51,600
Speaker 1: might think are there about Usada, about how some of

1138
01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: the things are unfair and you saw it has been

1139
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:57,760
Speaker 1: I think somewhat amenable to the criticisms that have been

1140
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:02,440
Speaker 1: levied their way, but not enough of them okay, and

1141
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 1: on and on and on and on, cavalry and common

1142
01:06:07,400 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: and I think the sooner people understand that. The sooner

1143
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: they'll understand, like what you really want to do or

1144
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 1: not or not do about it. Maybe you'll just say, Okay,

1145
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:17,920
Speaker 1: well then fuck it. It'll just be what it is.

1146
01:06:18,440 --> 01:06:33,920
Speaker 1: But you have to accept that. Now are people jumping

1147
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 1: the gun a bit to crown numer goat made off

1148
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:41,200
Speaker 1: the lightweight Goat. His work has been nothing short of fantastic,

1149
01:06:41,240 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: but I feel he's really only had a handful of

1150
01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,920
Speaker 1: elite wins under his belt. I still think there's a

1151
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 1: solid argument for Bjpenn as the goat at one fifty five.

1152
01:06:48,360 --> 01:06:50,480
Speaker 1: Sometimes I just think we as fans have a bit

1153
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,880
Speaker 1: of recency bias. No, BJ Pan the goat at one

1154
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: fifty five. No, I don't think his and you got

1155
01:06:56,520 --> 01:07:00,960
Speaker 1: I mean BJ Penn in his prime. I've said us

1156
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: a million times he was like the dream fighter. He

1157
01:07:03,720 --> 01:07:06,000
Speaker 1: was the dream fighter. Man. God, that fucking kills me.

1158
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,720
Speaker 1: If you'd have told me, well he was at twenty twenty.

1159
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,479
Speaker 1: If you had told me twelve years ago that BJ

1160
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,680
Speaker 1: Penn would be in the situation that we're in today,

1161
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,080
Speaker 1: I would have never believed it. I would have never

1162
01:07:19,160 --> 01:07:22,840
Speaker 1: believed it. You know, you just can't imagine the stock

1163
01:07:22,920 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: drop it is. It's uh, you know, he was the

1164
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,439
Speaker 1: first guy that boxing coaches were like, his jabs are good.

1165
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:34,440
Speaker 1: He has a good job, you know, uh, fucking hit hard,

1166
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:39,680
Speaker 1: amazing takedown defense, first American to win the world championships

1167
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: the munjials in jiu jitsu when he was trading with

1168
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:46,160
Speaker 1: the Marinovitch's had good cardio, you know, And this is

1169
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: one thing you guys may not appreciate. He was hard

1170
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:49,480
Speaker 1: to hurt because he had a good He had like

1171
01:07:49,520 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 1: a rock fucking fire hydrant chin chin, excuse me, and

1172
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 1: he couldn't He didn't cut very easily. The first time

1173
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:58,720
Speaker 1: I ever saw him really lumped up and hurt was

1174
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: in the Nick Diaz fight. Even when he fought Macheedah

1175
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:06,040
Speaker 1: or had that really bad ending against Fitch, or the

1176
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,360
Speaker 1: two times he fought Saint Pierre. I mean, he fucked

1177
01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: Saint Pierre up the first time at San Pierre got

1178
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: a little bit lucky with that one. I mean, Penn

1179
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:17,240
Speaker 1: took it to him. You just can't imagine, like, you know,

1180
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:21,720
Speaker 1: did that guy have this grandiosity about him in terms

1181
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:24,200
Speaker 1: of the totality of what he offered the fight game

1182
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:28,040
Speaker 1: that Kabib does not. Yes, that is true. But in

1183
01:08:28,120 --> 01:08:30,559
Speaker 1: terms of the record of achievement, do I think that

1184
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:33,000
Speaker 1: Nimerman has more work to do to really complete this

1185
01:08:33,080 --> 01:08:34,840
Speaker 1: idea that he is as good as we think he

1186
01:08:34,960 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: might be. I also think that is true. I also

1187
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: think that what he's done to this point far surpasses

1188
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:44,520
Speaker 1: the resume of Bjpenn. It's just that bj Penn represented

1189
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:49,439
Speaker 1: something almost mythical with all of the different facets of

1190
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:53,960
Speaker 1: the fight game. He was so good at. Thoughts on

1191
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:57,160
Speaker 1: the Gilain Maxwell case, I think I'm pronouncing her name right.

1192
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 1: One of the most prominent and devious cases history. Well,

1193
01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:02,840
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's in a history of law.

1194
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, she's a fucking monster in every

1195
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: way possible. But in the history of law, I mean,

1196
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: you know, I mean since the invention of law, when

1197
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:16,080
Speaker 1: was that the twelfth century or something. I mean there's

1198
01:09:16,120 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 1: been you know, we're talking about the Crusades and shit, like,

1199
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:23,720
Speaker 1: you know, Maxwell's not as bad as that, But yes,

1200
01:09:23,760 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: if you got I don't know much about her. All

1201
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,040
Speaker 1: I know is from that documentary that was on it

1202
01:09:28,080 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: was a dirty money that was on Netflix. I mean,

1203
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:36,680
Speaker 1: she is a allegedly an absolutely reprehensible creature. A She

1204
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:41,080
Speaker 1: was the one who was helping Epstein, you know, recruit

1205
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:43,880
Speaker 1: women who would then recruit other girls. You know, So

1206
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,040
Speaker 1: she was part of this like chain of custody of

1207
01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:50,320
Speaker 1: abuse and pedophilia and everything else and rape and everything,

1208
01:09:50,360 --> 01:09:54,120
Speaker 1: and she was, you know, again allegedly totally complicit in it.

1209
01:09:54,360 --> 01:09:57,400
Speaker 1: Not just complicit, but frankly an engineer of all of it,

1210
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:02,600
Speaker 1: like honestly on par with Epstein in many ways, and

1211
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,679
Speaker 1: in fact, there are I think if I remember correctly

1212
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:08,479
Speaker 1: some of the times that Epstein would engage in alleged abuse,

1213
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I say that fairly or

1214
01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 1: just abuse whatever. Maxwell also took part in it in

1215
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:18,040
Speaker 1: certain occasions. So it wasn't that she set up this

1216
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:23,160
Speaker 1: recruitment conveyor belt of abuse, but that she took part

1217
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: in it sometimes, I mean, and then threaten people who

1218
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 1: wanted to go public with it and tried to ruin

1219
01:10:28,439 --> 01:10:30,840
Speaker 1: their lives and like sue them into oblivion. I mean,

1220
01:10:30,840 --> 01:10:34,599
Speaker 1: she is a total monster, a monster in the worst way,

1221
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 1: but in the history of law. I mean, you know,

1222
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: are we gonna take her to the Hague and try

1223
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:44,240
Speaker 1: her there. Like the people in charge of the gas

1224
01:10:44,320 --> 01:10:46,880
Speaker 1: chambers at Elswitch and doc Out. I don't know if

1225
01:10:46,880 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: she's on that level, but yes, it's quite bad. I'll

1226
01:10:56,040 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: do one more, maybe two more. Do you think that

1227
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 1: Kabeb can be considered an all time great if he

1228
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: only defends the belt a handful of times? He's only

1229
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: fought three of the top fifteen lightweights, you mean the

1230
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:27,759
Speaker 1: current top fifteen lightweights. He hasn't come close to what GSP,

1231
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:30,200
Speaker 1: Silva and Jones has accomplished. Yes, I think. I think

1232
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,000
Speaker 1: in that sense, the long record of achievement would would

1233
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,040
Speaker 1: would be a problem. On the other hand, you know,

1234
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:39,320
Speaker 1: it's just hard to It's like someone has to come

1235
01:11:39,400 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 1: up with some criteria because how do you weigh the

1236
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,439
Speaker 1: great run Silva and GSP were on, But then they

1237
01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 1: had a couple of losses mixed in, right, You know,

1238
01:11:48,080 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: they had a couple of times in case of Silva

1239
01:11:50,520 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: or excuse being Saint Pierre, where you know, things went

1240
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,799
Speaker 1: off the rails, and then Silva had that great streak

1241
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: in the middle, but had some losses before and then

1242
01:11:58,040 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 1: a bunch of losses after. Jones a little bit different.

1243
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,439
Speaker 1: Maybe for those reasons you can consider above him. But

1244
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 1: the reason why kobeb is a sort of a little

1245
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:10,479
Speaker 1: bit ascendant relative to what the resume may or may

1246
01:12:10,520 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: not actually say, is because it's pristine. It's because he

1247
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:18,559
Speaker 1: has no losses Jones is the same. Well, he got

1248
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,800
Speaker 1: the one against you know. But and also he's doing

1249
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 1: it in a very very very tough division. Right, good question.

1250
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 1: If Geechee convincing convincingly finishes Kobebe, do we see an

1251
01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 1: immediate rematch. I tend to think that we do. I

1252
01:12:37,320 --> 01:12:39,479
Speaker 1: tend to think it doesn't matter what Geechee does, there's

1253
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:42,559
Speaker 1: gonna be an immediate rematch unless Number co Mana doesn't

1254
01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,160
Speaker 1: want it. Dude, if you're the first guy, I mean,

1255
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:47,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be the same thing when someone beats John Jones.

1256
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 1: If and when that ever happens, you're the first guy

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Speaker 1: to beat like I mean, Matt Hamill, notwithstanding I mean,

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Speaker 1: really beat him. You're the first guy to do that.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna have to do it twice. I firmly believe

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Speaker 1: that unless number Gamadov doesn't want it. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I need to get back of the line or blah.

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Speaker 1: Blah blah. But if Gage goes out there and puts

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Speaker 1: it on tomber Gamadev, there's gonna be so many people

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Speaker 1: who say it's because his dad wasn't there, or you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever the case. I absolutely am convinced he's gonna have

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Speaker 1: to do it twice. Don't have any proof other than

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Speaker 1: that's just sort of the way Combat sports and even

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Speaker 1: MMA has worked. But you know, to take something from

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Speaker 1: a guy that makes him what he is, you have

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Speaker 1: to prove it wasn't accidental or just you know, lightning

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Speaker 1: in a bottle, or you have to be able to

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Speaker 1: reproduce it. And I think I think that's the situation

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Speaker 1: we're gonna be in. All Right, that's enough for today.

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Speaker 1: If you like the video, give it a thumbs up,

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Speaker 1: hit that subscribe button. Morning Combat coming your way at

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Speaker 1: eleven am tomorrow. After this chat ends, we're gonna post.

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Speaker 1: We did an interview with Steven Espinosa, the president of

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Speaker 1: Showtime Sports. By the way, BC asks him, do people

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Speaker 1: still call you weasel because remember Connor called him a

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Speaker 1: at that Toronto press conference, and he answers the question,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna want to hear the answer to it, and

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Speaker 1: uh yeah, a bunch more content coming your way. We

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Speaker 1: will have post fight content on Saturday. I don't know

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Speaker 1: exactly what form it hopefully live, hopefully me and BC together.

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Speaker 1: I don't know the answer, so just wait on that.

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Speaker 1: But we will have something at a bare minimum, we'll

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Speaker 1: have something for you to sink your teeth into and

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Speaker 1: I can't wait. It's gonna be so goddamn fun. So

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you guys watching th