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Speaker 3: When you understand who you are, and when you understand

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Speaker 4: All right, lady, Today we have one of the most

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Speaker 4: just like us. Deshonder Brown Duggett is the CEO of

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Speaker 4: Consumer Banking at JP Morgan Chase. She leads the nation's

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Speaker 4: Prior to her role as CEO of Chase Auto Finance,

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Speaker 1: Yes, we are so so excited to have you with

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just think for me, my purpose is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I always say I rent my title, I own

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Speaker 3: I will always be my authentic, unapologetic self. Those are

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Speaker 3: me is what everyone should understand. Your title is rented,

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Speaker 4: Okay, the goosebumps that I have on me right now,

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Speaker 4: And I was gonna say to Shanda, it's like when

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Speaker 3: Your character transcends your ego. When we all have those moments,

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Speaker 4: And how what's the best way to sort of cultivate

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Speaker 3: You know, I teach my children. If you ask my youngest,

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Speaker 3: And that's what I do for myself. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: Oh wow, you are sharing a word. I just keep

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Speaker 1: Yes, And so can you share with us. You say

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Speaker 1: how you got to where you are today?

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Speaker 3: Now that's great. Well, first of all, I am the

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Speaker 3: daughter of Otis and Rosie Brown, and I think that

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Speaker 3: the best sister or friend at that moment, But I

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Speaker 3: know over time I'm a really good mom. Over time,

435
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Speaker 3: I'm a really good executive, I'm a great friend, I'm

436
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Speaker 3: a great daughter, even if in that moment, I've had

437
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Speaker 3: to shift my allocation to respond to the needs that's

438
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Speaker 3: confronting me at that time. So the first of five

439
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 3: portfolio gives me space to adjust. It gives me space

440
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 3: to know that I am responding to something, and it

441
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Speaker 3: gives me space to have confidence to know over time,

442
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Speaker 3: I am a really good person and I do really

443
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Speaker 3: good work, even if in that moment I'm dealing with

444
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Speaker 3: some volatility.

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Speaker 4: Wow, what a liberating perspective. I mean it sounds like

446
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,320
Speaker 4: that just allows you to be honest with yourself and those.

447
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Speaker 2: In your life.

448
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Speaker 3: I mean so liberating, you know, as a mom saying

449
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 3: my kids don't get one hundred percent of me, right,

450
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Speaker 3: It's like, what what they can't?

451
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Speaker 2: You know?

452
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Speaker 3: I'm a doctor, I'm a wife. And so when you

453
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 3: can speak that truth, then you can be intentional about

454
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Speaker 3: your time and you end up cutting things that don't

455
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 3: matter or that's not important because you really understand everything

456
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Speaker 3: is allocated and you only have one hundred percent.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, I love that, And I'm curious about how

458
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Speaker 1: the people in your life respond to that, Like how

459
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Speaker 1: do they respond with that honesty.

460
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Speaker 3: I think they respond really well to it, because one,

461
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:49,239
Speaker 3: they have to because but I think I show up

462
00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 3: as a better human because I think the myths for

463
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Speaker 3: me is when I was trying to do this work

464
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Speaker 3: life balance thing, I'm catching an l every day, how right?

465
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Speaker 3: I mean, so I didn't feel great because I'm like, wow,

466
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Speaker 3: I'm getting up at five point thirty in the morning.

467
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Speaker 3: I don't see my kids. By the time I get home,

468
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 3: my kids are asleep. You know, I don't see my mom,

469
00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: my dad. I'm not feeling like I'm a great wife.

470
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Speaker 3: You know, I'm running around trying to do everything as

471
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Speaker 3: if it's supposed to balance. So basically I'm exhausted. And

472
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Speaker 3: I tell people, you know, the s on the chest

473
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Speaker 3: was not Superwoman.

474
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Speaker 2: It was spent.

475
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Speaker 3: And so I mean real talk, right, I was feeling

476
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Speaker 3: at the end of the day, what did I win at,

477
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Speaker 3: you know? And so I think by shifting my mindset

478
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Speaker 3: to this allocation, I am so intentional about who I

479
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Speaker 3: share my time with, how I spend my life, you know, understanding,

480
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Speaker 3: and I think therefore the people around me, they see

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Speaker 3: me a little lighter. They see me focused, like my

482
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Speaker 3: husband is not like put your phone down, put your

483
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Speaker 3: phone down. It's like when I'm spending time with my husband, Shonda,

484
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: not the one who's reading emails and trying to balance everything.

485
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Speaker 3: Do you know what. That's how I think people see me,

486
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 3: and it allows you. For example, when people say, can

487
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 3: you just spend five minutes with me? I say, I can,

488
00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: but I can't. You know, I only allocate this amount

489
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Speaker 3: of time to mentor people and that extra five minutes

490
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:30,879
Speaker 3: is taken away from me being a mother to my

491
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Speaker 3: daughter or to myself. And so it gives me permission

492
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Speaker 3: to say no because I'm prioritizing mentorship within this allocation,

493
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Speaker 3: not within one hundred percent, but within ten percent of

494
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Speaker 3: my pie. That says it's my give back to people,

495
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: and that's the priority within ten percent. And for me,

496
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Speaker 3: it allows me the power to say no. It allows

497
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Speaker 3: me to explain my why. And therefore the people who

498
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 3: I'm with they understand, you know who I am, and

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Speaker 3: and I show up as a better version of to

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Speaker 3: Shanda as a result, if that makes sense.

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Speaker 4: That makes perfect sense. And I love that this is

502
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Speaker 4: not a foreverything. It's like, what are you optimizing for

503
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Speaker 4: for this season?

504
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Speaker 3: Right?

505
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 4: Maybe you'll have a bit more time and another season

506
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 4: to mentor and it won't take away time from your daughter.

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Speaker 4: So that is incredible. I'm definitely going to re listen

508
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Speaker 4: to this episode and take my own notes.

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Speaker 5: Yes, but I know that, Okay, well, there's three things

510
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Speaker 5: that you should never sacrifice, and you know that's your family,

511
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Speaker 5: your health, and your character, and so talking about this portfolio,

512
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 5: make sure that you're not compromising those three things, and

513
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: so that's why it's important to have your allocation.

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Speaker 3: Your health is your self care, and as women, many

515
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 3: times our self care is not in our portfolio, and

516
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 3: it has to be. And so I would encourage you

517
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: write it down and allocating you. You sometimes realize we'll

518
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,959
Speaker 3: only have two percent, but your girlfriends are in there.

519
00:28:58,040 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: Just make sure your girlfriends are in there. It may

520
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Speaker 3: only be too but that may be that annual girls

521
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 3: trip or what I do because I know I don't

522
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: have as much time with my girlfriends. You know, I

523
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 3: write down, you know, all my friends, and I will

524
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Speaker 3: have a moment within my allocation that I'll write letters

525
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 3: to my girlfriends. I buy a stack of cards, I

526
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: have them in my office at home so that when

527
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 3: I'm ready for that allocation, I let them know I'm

528
00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 3: thinking about them. Or I'll jump on a zoom call

529
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Speaker 3: because I'm so intentional that I only have a little

530
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Speaker 3: bit of allocation. So how do I make that impactful

531
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Speaker 3: versus not having your friends in there at all? And

532
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 3: you realize you haven't checked in on someone in months

533
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 3: or years because you just have not had control of

534
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: your portfolio. And these are people you care about.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I love that. I love that.

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Speaker 3: It sounds so freeing.

537
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 3: Face for you to really understand what matters to you.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: That's what I feel like. I have an amazing life

541
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Speaker 3: because everything that matters to me is in my portfolio. Like,

542
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 3: how dope is that? You know what I mean?

543
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Speaker 2: That is?

544
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Speaker 3: It makes I mean, I'm sitting here grinting, just reflecting.

545
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Speaker 3: You know, it's like even thinking about you know, I

546
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 3: always wanted to adopt, and I remember that, you know,

547
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 3: I was talking to my husband. I was like, Babe,

548
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Speaker 3: you know, we've been talking about this and I don't

549
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 3: want to get to a point you fast forward and

550
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: we did these amazing things, but we lost sight of

551
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 3: something that we wanted to do, and therefore we went

552
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Speaker 3: on this path of intentionality and as a result, I

553
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 3: have my little cherry on top. That's that power of

554
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Speaker 3: having your portfolio and thinking about how do you want

555
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 3: your life to be and what do you want and

556
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 3: who do you want in your life and going after it.

557
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Speaker 3: You know, you only have one one you and one life.

558
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Speaker 3: You choose what you want to put in your life.

559
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Speaker 3: You choose that.

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Speaker 4: And for you and your husband and your face only

561
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: to Shonda, what was the most I want to say,

562
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Speaker 4: surprising aspect of the adoption journey.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, let me tell you, I'm going to

564
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 3: blow your mind, but I'll give you the I mean,

565
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 3: just God, oh my God. So ever since I was

566
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Speaker 3: a little girl, I wanted to adopt, and I do

567
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 3: not know why I ended up marrying an amazing man

568
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: who happens to be adopted. I a boy. You know,

569
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Speaker 3: I have a bonus son. So why am I still adopt?

570
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: Wanting to adopt? But it was in my spirit. So

571
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 3: when my husband and I decided we wanted to adopt,

572
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 3: we went through, you know, the process, the foster to adopt,

573
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: because there's just you know, there's over one hundred thousand

574
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Speaker 3: Black children and foster care just the new I'm like,

575
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Speaker 3: we could eradicate this. But we went through the process,

576
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Speaker 3: and we were going to go through foster to adopt,

577
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: but it got really complicated, and so we went through

578
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 3: a Christian agency and we said we would give it

579
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Speaker 3: a year and if we didn't adopt within a year,

580
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Speaker 3: you know, God would order our steps to do something else.

581
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Speaker 3: Can I tell you within ninety days we had our child.

582
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Speaker 3: Can I tell you that my birth children names are

583
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Speaker 3: Madison and Miles. And the birth mother named my child Mackenzie.

584
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Speaker 3: That's her name. Can I tell you that my children

585
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: that I birth to this day is like, Mommy, thank

586
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 3: you for giving us Mackenzie. Wow. When I talk about

587
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 3: she's my cherry on top, her gift magnifies the process.

588
00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 3: You know, she's the gift. You know a lot of

589
00:32:42,360 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 3: times people, oh, it was so wonderful for you to adopt,

590
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: But I'm like, she's the gift, right. And so the

591
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: biggest surprise is how our steps have been ordered and

592
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 3: that when it was time for us to have our daughter,

593
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Speaker 3: it was in the way it needed to be and

594
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 3: it was within ninety days of a healthy, beautiful baby.

595
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Speaker 3: That's purpose. That's being obedient. And I track it all

596
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,480
Speaker 3: the way back to being this little girl who wanted

597
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 3: to adopt, and now I understand why, because she was

598
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Speaker 3: meant to be my daughter.

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Speaker 4: Oh my goodness, that sounds like divine alignment.

600
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Speaker 3: Okay, absolutely, you know, and you could say so many

601
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 3: times you're too busy, right, like, yeah, so many kids

602
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 3: all you know, we just got this new job, we

603
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 3: just moved. I mean, you can find so many rational

604
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: explanations to not be in purpose. Or you can go

605
00:33:44,520 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 3: back to your intentionality and step out on faith and

606
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 3: if it's supposed to be, it will unfold and it

607
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Speaker 3: will manifest.

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Speaker 2: You just have to do the work exactly. That a

609
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: spot on.

610
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Speaker 4: What a beautiful story. Thank you for sharing that with us.

611
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Speaker 4: And oh my goodness, Oh Mackenzie, that's so sweet.

612
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Speaker 2: I love it.

613
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Speaker 4: Okay, So we know that your parents have had such

614
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Speaker 4: an influential impact on your life, and they've been extremely

615
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 4: influential for you and who you've become today. Can you

616
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,839
Speaker 4: talk a little bit about what inspired you to create

617
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Speaker 4: the Otis and Rosie Brown Foundation.

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, So it goes back to the portfolio.

619
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Speaker 3: There were a few things in life when people say,

620
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Speaker 3: when it's all said and done to Shanda, how do

621
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 3: you want to define your success? And one was I

622
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,160
Speaker 3: wanted to adopt to I want my children to visit

623
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Speaker 3: every continent, you know, before they go to college. You know,

624
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,480
Speaker 3: we're on our way, notwithstanding the environment we're in now,

625
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:43,600
Speaker 3: but we're on three. I wanted to start a foundation

626
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,840
Speaker 3: while my parents were still alive, you know. I not

627
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: only that you give people their flowers while they're here.

628
00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: And that goes back to intentional you have to be intentional.

629
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Speaker 3: And so the Otis and Rosie Brown Foundation is really

630
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 3: me reminding myself the power of my parents, who are

631
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: ordinary people. My dad worked in a warehouse, my mom

632
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:08,440
Speaker 3: was a teacher. They were ordinary individuals who made an

633
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: extraordinary impact in my life, my brother's lives, and the

634
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 3: lives of so many others. And so the Otis and

635
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 3: Rosie Brown Foundation is anchored on character. We give scholarships

636
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: in North Texas based on character. We see the small nonprofit.

637
00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 3: So I focus on the unseen, which is like my parents,

638
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 3: everyday people. And so I focus on small organizations that

639
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 3: are making an outsize impact and we see them, you know,

640
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 3: and provide them grant. And so really it's about being

641
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 3: extraordinary and making sure that everyone understands you don't have

642
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 3: to be a CEO to be extraordinary. Your extraordinary because

643
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 3: of your ownable assets. And to be able to see

644
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:57,759
Speaker 3: my parents award students scholarships to my good marriage, you know,

645
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: award a grant to a local small organization that's given

646
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 3: everything that they can to make a difference. That just

647
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: feels my heart. We named and there's a library in

648
00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 3: Arlington and we named it the Otis and Rosie Brown

649
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:16,080
Speaker 3: living room. And to see a black man and a

650
00:36:16,120 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 3: black woman in that professional portrait, you know, that very

651
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Speaker 3: proper portrait. And if you look closely, my dad has

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Speaker 3: an ear ring, like to see essial proper and that's

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Speaker 3: an Otis and Rosie Brown. Everyday people who are married.

654
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Speaker 3: I want people to see that they're enough and you

655
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 3: can work in a warehouse and make an impact and

656
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Speaker 3: ultimately have your daughter pay it forward in your honor.

657
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Speaker 3: Like that's so nope, And that's that's why I give

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Speaker 3: them love because they mean everything to me. They are

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Speaker 3: my foundation, They are my rock. They represent all of

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Speaker 3: who I am and all of who I still strive

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Speaker 3: to be. And so I just believe that I wanted

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Speaker 3: my father and my mother to know how I feel

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Speaker 3: and to know that their impact will transcend their own children,

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Speaker 3: it will change the lives of others. And that's why

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Speaker 3: I started the foundation.

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Speaker 2: In their honor.

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Speaker 4: And how did you share the foundation with them? Like

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Speaker 4: what was the announcement? Did you just call them on

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Speaker 4: the phone or was it like a big banquet? How

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Speaker 4: did you do that?

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Speaker 3: Oh my goodness, I don't even remember, but I do remember.

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Speaker 3: You know, it wasn't on the phone. You know, I

673
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,920
Speaker 3: told them that this is what I want to do.

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00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: And the visual that I recall that really warmed my

675
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 3: heart was when I named the living room after them.

676
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: This huge, brand new library and they didn't know, and

677
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 3: I surprised them. And if you imagine their parents walking

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Speaker 3: into this brand new, huge library right by Texas Stadium

679
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:04,520
Speaker 3: where the Dallas Cowboys play, and an amazing building, and

680
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 3: your mom and dad are thinking they're coming to hear

681
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Speaker 3: their daughter speak, and they walk into this living room

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Speaker 3: and see Otis and Rosie Brown. I say living room

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Speaker 3: because it's the you know, it's the main area, so

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Speaker 3: it you know, and it literally says the Otis and

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Speaker 3: Rosie Brown living room. My dad broke down and cried because, look,

686
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Speaker 3: I'm first generation full integration, my dad in the South,

687
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Speaker 3: segregated South. You know, Dad, he's seen a lot, he's

688
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 3: been through a lot. You know, he's battling cancer now.

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Speaker 3: And to see your father, see his name, it's everything

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00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 3: everything to know that he's worthy. You know, he didn't

691
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:55,760
Speaker 3: go to college, but he's worthy. You know, he worked

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Speaker 3: at her house. But I see him, and so will

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Speaker 3: everybody else.

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Speaker 1: EPI yes, shout out to Otis and Rosie Brown like

695
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Speaker 1: that is and everyday people that is so dope.

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Speaker 3: I want a movement like I want I want people

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Speaker 3: to know that they're extraordinary and that I mean, that's

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00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 3: a passion of mine. You know, it's ownable assets. I

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00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: want people to know, like, what is your extraordinary? My

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00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 3: extraordinary is purpose and passion. You know what is your extraordinary?

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Speaker 3: And just to be able to know that you are extraordinary.

702
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:39,160
Speaker 3: None of those rented titles make you extraordinary. Your extraordinary

703
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,040
Speaker 3: because of your ownable assets. I just think that's powerful.

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Speaker 3: And I think that if more of us connected to

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Speaker 3: our extraordinary, we would travel a lot lighter in this world.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, Seanda, you are a true gem and we

707
00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: really appreciate the insight, the knowledge, the game that you are.

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Speaker 2: Sharing with us and what we want to do before

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Speaker 2: we close out.

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Speaker 4: We have to shift up the energy just a little

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Speaker 4: bit on the podcast.

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Speaker 1: Okaylio a little bit.

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Speaker 4: All right, that's right, because we recognize, appreciate, and celebrate

714
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 4: the multifaceted woman, and we believe that it's okay to

715
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Speaker 4: be classy and ratchet and you can still be elegant

716
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: and listen to club music or dance strip plub music.

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Speaker 4: We want to invite you to the oh you clash

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Speaker 4: it segment. So to Shanda, do you take on the

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Speaker 4: challenge all day every day?

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Speaker 2: All right? All right, doctor Tom? All right?

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Speaker 1: So I'm just going to dive right in with twerk

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Speaker 1: or two steps two step?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Wrong, And I'm wrong with two step lady.

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Speaker 3: It's just because of ain't working, so I mean, not

726
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Speaker 3: connected in my head, I'm doing all day right, Okay,

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00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 3: two steps, okay, Okay, here we go.

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Speaker 2: Now, what can you talk about all day? What topics?

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Speaker 3: Oh? My goodness, I mean I can talk about a

730
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Speaker 3: lot of things, but I could talk all day about

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Speaker 3: my purpose. I could talk all day about my children.

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00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 3: I could talk all day about pouring on you and

733
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 3: how awesome and dope you are. Like I mean, I

734
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 3: can talk about I can talk about a lot of

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00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: things all day every day, but most importantly, I think

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Speaker 3: I would try to talk about impact. I'm a dream.

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Speaker 3: How do we impact the world? Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yes? And once you've made an impact, that brings us

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Speaker 1: to our next question of how do you want to

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Speaker 1: be remembered?

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Speaker 3: Wow? I want to be remembered as someone who tried

742
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 3: every day to reach for the moon. Every day and

743
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:01,640
Speaker 3: all that I've done, I want to be remembered by

744
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,160
Speaker 3: my passion to inspire others. I hope when Alla said

745
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 3: and done that I made a positive impact in the world.

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Speaker 3: And I'm someone that people can say she wasn't perfect,

747
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,319
Speaker 3: but she made an impact. She helped me be a

748
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Speaker 3: better human. That's what I hope.

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Speaker 4: Wow, absolutely beautifully, And we're going to close out with

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Speaker 4: one last question to Shonda. Which song gets you on

751
00:42:27,320 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 4: the dance floor at the club or party or banquet,

752
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 4: wherever you're dancing at We'll get you on the dance floor.

753
00:42:33,960 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness. Well listen, I'm from that dirty South.

754
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: So anything, ay, I mean you you play some old

755
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 3: school rap, you know, you play some New Orleans bounce? Yes? Yeah.

756
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: So anything that's some really great energy. I love some Beyonce,

757
00:42:57,120 --> 00:43:01,239
Speaker 3: so yeah, anything that takes you back, thing that you

758
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 3: know who runs the world, that's you know, positive affirmation,

759
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 3: you know we do. Yeah, everything that has some really great,

760
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 3: great energy. I'm all about it. I'm all about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I love it.

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Speaker 4: We just want to thank you again so much for

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Speaker 4: your time. You probably hear this a lot, you know,

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Speaker 4: being a highly successful woman, like yourself, but I mean

765
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Speaker 4: seeing a woman that looks like you, with your story,

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00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:31,319
Speaker 4: with your energy, with your message, with your purpose. I

767
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 4: mean it's just incredibly inspiring for people in general, but

768
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 4: specifically other black women. And so we just thank you

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Speaker 4: for showing up and for you know, listening to the

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Speaker 4: call and for moving forward because you know, you are

771
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: just inspiring so many other women and we'll be able

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Speaker 4: to stand on your shoulders to elevate our community and

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Speaker 4: the world.

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Speaker 3: I do it gladly. You know, we're all just running

775
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 3: this thing called life. And I hope that while I

776
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 3: am fortunate enough to have this platform that I'm able

777
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 3: to show young Black girls that they're beautiful in their braids,

778
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 3: in their locks, hair press So leave, it doesn't matter.

779
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: Whatever makes you feel great and feel awesome is enough.

780
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: And I want to make sure that we know that

781
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 3: our voice is necessary and required, and it needs to

782
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 3: be our unapologetic, authentic voice in our perspective and the

783
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 3: best version of who we are. So thank you for

784
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 3: what you all do every day and having space within

785
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:40,160
Speaker 3: this podcast for women like me to share and hopefully

786
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 3: inspire others. So I hope you guys follow me on Instagram.

787
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Speaker 3: At Shanda. Check out my foundation extraordinary is dot org.

788
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 3: You can follow extraordinary Is on Instagram. And just know

789
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Speaker 3: that I'm going to continue to do my heart and

790
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:56,719
Speaker 3: hope to crack even more ceilings so I can make

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00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: space for you and my daughters and myself. That's my goal.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us today in her Space. Please note

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Speaker 1: that our show may contain conversations about self help, advice,

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00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:31,479
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Speaker 4: at herspacepodcast dot com. And before we meet again, repeat

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Speaker 4: after me. I am not limited by any past thinking.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next week.

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Speaker 3: Lately,