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Speaker 1: for week number twelve in the National Football League. It's
Speaker 1: Gill Alexander.
Speaker 2: This right here is Kelly Bidley. Heyo, how are we
Speaker 2: doing horn in Plano, Texas? I just learned this morning.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: Really, all this time, I never knew you were born
Speaker 1: in Plano, Texas. Plans is Rando.
Speaker 2: Lived there for like a whole seven months or something
Speaker 2: before we moved off to Alaska.
Speaker 1: Oh really, yeah, Wow, you're you're a person who has
Speaker 1: lived in many locations on this earth. If we had time,
Speaker 1: we'd go through the but we don't because we got
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of week eleven games to get to Kelly,
Speaker 1: including well, not including, but yes, including last night's Sunday
Speaker 1: Night affair between the Charges of the Bengals, which was awesome.
Speaker 1: But there's a lot to get to before that, as
Speaker 1: we do, by the way, with guessing lines. In case
Speaker 1: you're new to the old guessing lines format, what I
Speaker 1: do is I watch football day, I take copious notes
Speaker 1: of all the games. Then at night I send my
Speaker 1: lines to Kelly for the upcoming weekends NFL games. I
Speaker 1: go to bed, I wake up in the morning, I
Speaker 1: don't know what the real ones are. And then we
Speaker 1: through this exercise. We try to extract value in the
Speaker 1: upcoming weekends lines, much like we did with the Saints
Speaker 1: last week poor Am Blow for instance. It's a tried
Speaker 1: and true format that works out, but we always start
Speaker 1: with a survivor a circa survivor update Kelly six entries
Speaker 1: of the remaining one oh five could put four with
Speaker 1: the Niners, two with the Brownies, why are what the brownies?
Speaker 2: I was wondering that myself, but all but hey, James believers,
Speaker 2: I like it.
Speaker 1: All one hundred five entries had the Browns available to them.
Speaker 1: Two of those entries went with the Browns. So we're
Speaker 1: down to ninety nine. We have gone from five uh
Speaker 1: what five digit number of entries fourteen, two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty six to two digits ninety nine. To everybody responsible
Speaker 1: for those ninety nine, congratulations, it is unbelievable that you
Speaker 1: have gotten this far. The intrinsic value of each of
Speaker 1: the remaining ninety nine entries isooooo one hundred and forty
Speaker 1: four thousand dollars one hundred forty four thousand and forty
Speaker 1: dollars and forty cents.
Speaker 2: Ow about that. I don't even know how much with
Speaker 2: the discovery of these new sites and everything this year. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't even know how much of my entry I
Speaker 2: would still owe even if I was still in it.
Speaker 1: It's a very good point. It feels like it's changed
Speaker 1: this year because of that Tony Farmer who's been great
Speaker 1: at Tony Market. Tony's Market tips always updates me through
Speaker 1: Survivor Atlas. Survivor Atlas does great work in terms of
Speaker 1: taking care of or tracking I should say Circus Survivor
Speaker 1: a one person NFL wise guys has six entries left.
Speaker 1: One person with multiple entries lost on San Francisco. So
Speaker 1: there are now only six people with more than one entry.
Speaker 1: NFL wise guys has six, Five others have two. Everybody
Speaker 1: else has just one entry left.
Speaker 2: Wow, okay, so they I mean, we're getting close to
Speaker 2: this getting very interesting though. How he plays those six yes, centries?
Speaker 1: So eighty three people have one entry left. That's when
Speaker 1: it comes to eighty three have one, five have two,
Speaker 1: and he's got six. By the way, there is there's
Speaker 1: anything tonight yet five people have the Texans tonight, so
Speaker 1: it's not quite done for the week.
Speaker 2: Perhaps that would that would.
Speaker 1: Presume that the Cowboys will beat the Texans today.
Speaker 2: Do you have anything on that game? Way I do.
Speaker 2: I've got way too much of this game. What do
Speaker 2: you have? I've got multiple teasers tied in with with
Speaker 2: the Texans. Let's see, I have Texans from a teaser
Speaker 2: to close out with the Bengals last night. I have
Speaker 2: a teaser with a game we're gonna discuss this week
Speaker 2: as well, tied in there and then a little I
Speaker 2: have them laying five and a half h just with
Speaker 2: a little parlay, you know these Matt Matt Brown when
Speaker 2: he was in we discussed this a little bit, just
Speaker 2: with some of the teasers, prices being what they are
Speaker 2: these days, taking two sides and just being able to
Speaker 2: manipulate those spreads with the books that allow that, like
Speaker 2: MGM Caesars. So I actually took this down to five
Speaker 2: and a half Houston as well. So yeah, I've got
Speaker 2: all sorts of involvement in the game tonight. All right,
Speaker 2: let's get to it.
Speaker 1: Guess twelve guessing lines in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: Scratch it down, looking, scratch it right.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do this. Let's trying to find some value,
Speaker 1: trying to make some money.
Speaker 2: Gat say a wrinkle on the board today Thursday night football,
Speaker 2: Steelers at Brown's. Thank you, Isaiah Wrinkle.
Speaker 1: Steelers at Browns, Ladies and gentlemen, let me begin in
Speaker 1: the program. I guess we should get it out of
Speaker 1: the way. I have never been more wrong about anything
Speaker 1: in my life than I have been about this year's
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers. Got I say that at the top, think
Speaker 1: I'm aloud. Pittsburgh Steelers eight and two. They beat the
Speaker 1: Ravens Gauntlet schmotlet. As my mom used to say, she
Speaker 1: never really said that. Pittsburgh wins it the second game
Speaker 1: they've won this year without scoring a touchdown. Remember they
Speaker 1: beat Atlanta week one doing the same thing. Eighteen sixteen,
Speaker 1: they beat the Ravens. Second play of the game, the
Speaker 1: tone was set second and seven at their own thirty
Speaker 1: two Baltimore Derek Henry, tackled by Nick Herbiggy fumbles. Sean
Speaker 1: Elliott recovers Boswell's first of six thirty two yards three
Speaker 1: to nothing. Pittsburgh Then, when Baltimore got the ball a
Speaker 1: couple times later, Justin Tucker misses a forty seven yard
Speaker 1: field goal try. The Tomlin voodoo in full effect, except
Speaker 1: for the fact that Tucker's That was Tucker's fifth miss
Speaker 1: of the season, bottom five in the NFL and field
Speaker 1: goal percentage this year. You see that coming.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's crazy. I mean, it's gotten so bad, like
Speaker 2: the Ravens need to consider a kicker change here. Good,
Speaker 2: I really just said that. Ye.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh then went four and out. They tried on fourth
Speaker 1: and one, They tried on they tried on fourth and one.
Speaker 1: Now you got stuff for no gain after Wilson got
Speaker 1: stuff for no gain on third and one, so Baltimore
Speaker 1: had it set up again tucker Field goal, this time
Speaker 1: from Fitty No good again, Sorry voice did that anyway?
Speaker 1: Six to nothing. At this point, Baltimore finally wakes up
Speaker 1: six plays seventy five yards Henry for thirty one the
Speaker 1: big chunk Henry in from one, seven to six Baltimore
Speaker 1: late second quarter. Ah, the earth has returned to its axis,
Speaker 1: except for the fact that Baltimore got the ball back
Speaker 1: still in the first half, they tried to run out
Speaker 1: the clock first play first and ten at their own
Speaker 1: nine Lamara likely hit by Queen fumbles recovered by Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Another boswell Field goal to nine to seven. At the half.
Speaker 1: It would get to twelve to seven, then twelve to ten.
Speaker 1: Tucker actually hit a fifty four yard er at that
Speaker 1: point twelve to ten, and then Pittsburgh man to Pickens
Speaker 1: for seventeen to thirty seven for thirty seven on a
Speaker 1: sweet moonball from Wilson. Another boswell Field goal, fifteen to ten.
Speaker 1: As Tomlin said after the game, Mike Tomlin, he said,
Speaker 1: I love the Boz is a player of the week,
Speaker 1: but it does allow us to look at some of
Speaker 1: our awarts because they can't get the ball in the
Speaker 1: end zone. Still didn't matter on this day, fifteen to ten.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh gets the ball back when they matriculate third and
Speaker 1: goal to five. Wilson Moonball's a pass to Marlon Humphrey
Speaker 1: in the end zone. Really not a moon ball, but
Speaker 1: just loft at it in. They're terrible. Marlin Humphrey happens
Speaker 1: to play for the other team. So Baltimore's down five,
Speaker 1: nine to twenty three left in the first quarter. They
Speaker 1: get first in fifteen at their own forty. Lamar then
Speaker 1: quote unquote picked by Peyton Wilson. You see this where
Speaker 1: he ripped it out of Justice Hill's hands. Yeah, you've
Speaker 1: seen this a few times in the NFL this year.
Speaker 1: What a play by Wilson.
Speaker 2: That was also one of those were like, I'm just
Speaker 2: sitting there. I'm like, I don't really know what just happened.
Speaker 1: It's incredible, But Pittsburgh just makes plays even when they
Speaker 1: don't make plays. Yeah, you know what I mean. It
Speaker 1: led to another Boswell field goal eighteen to ten, this
Speaker 1: time Boswell from fifty. Then Baltimore start at their own
Speaker 1: thirty three. They're down one score. They overcome a Zay
Speaker 1: Flowers drop that hits him in the chest. They matriculate,
Speaker 1: then they overcome a legal man down the field penalty
Speaker 1: that nullified a great catch by Agualare inside the ten.
Speaker 1: Lamar and Justice Hilver twenty two on third and nine
Speaker 1: of the Pittsburgh forty six the key play. Two plays later,
Speaker 1: Lamar and is Zay from sixteen touchdown eighteen sixteen one
Speaker 1: O six left, two point try fails. Baltimore has all
Speaker 1: three timeouts left, though Pittsburgh. After Baltimore kicks away, though
Speaker 1: nause for nothing, Fields gets in the game. He gets
Speaker 1: nine yards, slides way too early. He could have cost
Speaker 1: him the game, but on third and one Nase he
Speaker 1: gets exactly one ballgame Pittsburgh eighteen Baltimore sixteen. Mike Tomlin
Speaker 1: streak is in tact unless they go oh and seven,
Speaker 1: that's all. It is even a tie. His streak of
Speaker 1: never having had a losing season will remain intact. Harbaugh
Speaker 1: now oh eleven and two as three point favorites are
Speaker 1: more versus Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2: Can we show that tweet? By the way, do you
Speaker 2: have that tweet?
Speaker 1: Kelly Beyond that Harball OH eleven and two has three
Speaker 1: point favorites are more versus Pittsburgh Boswell, by the way,
Speaker 1: again six for six on the day. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we have that tweet, but essentially this is just here.
Speaker 1: It is final margins between the Steelers and ravensins twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two seven seven, three, two three one five four.
Speaker 1: The underdog in this series moves to sixteen two and
Speaker 1: one against the spread since twenty fifteen and twenty four
Speaker 1: six and three against the spread when Mike Tomlin faces
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh. In addition to my stat which I just
Speaker 1: pointed out, which is that Harborball's oh eleven and two
Speaker 1: has three point favorites versus Pittsburgh, unbelievable. Thank you, Evan,
Speaker 1: Evan Abrams, our longtime friend, for that. They're taken on
Speaker 1: Cleveland on Thursday night, Cleveland, I don't know. I didn't
Speaker 1: understand this line. I didn't understand why the Saints were
Speaker 1: less than three point favorites on guessing line a week ago.
Speaker 1: I certainly didn't understand when the money kept pouring in
Speaker 1: on Cleveland. Cleveland fall to two and eight and people
Speaker 1: were betting them, Like, what's the expression like they had
Speaker 1: the box score the next day or the newspaper the
Speaker 1: next day. Cleveland began the game fourth and one at
Speaker 1: the New Orleans forty nine Chubb stuff for two yard
Speaker 1: loss led to a six play forty nine yard drive
Speaker 1: or Taysom as a passer too he ended up in
Speaker 1: from ten seven and azh thing. It did get to
Speaker 1: seven to seven when James had Judy for eighty nine
Speaker 1: seven and six. Pardon me because Cleveland went for two
Speaker 1: after a neutral zone infraction they failed seven is six
Speaker 1: Later New Orleans a three play eighty yard drive car
Speaker 1: to Marquez Valdez Scanty for seventy one, fourteen to six
Speaker 1: New Orleans. And this was a weird theme of the day.
Speaker 1: Just missed field was Hopkins missing a fifty one yard
Speaker 1: field will try wide left. Then New Orleans third and
Speaker 1: three of the Cleveland eleven is already up eight. They
Speaker 1: could have made the lead bigger, but car Tod Taysom
Speaker 1: hit by Ward fumbles, Denzel Ward recovers he covered the
Speaker 1: ball that he knocked out. Then Hopkins from thirty two
Speaker 1: wide left, but a defensive hole on Peyton Turner of
Speaker 1: New Orleans, so the Cleveland gets the ball back with
Speaker 1: eleven seconds left first and goalf to nine. New Orleans
Speaker 1: holds them on two plays, Hopkins from twenty seven. Surely
Speaker 1: he'll make this.
Speaker 2: Surely you wide left?
Speaker 1: What is going on? Fourteen to six New Orleans. We
Speaker 1: go the second half Cleveland James to Elijah Moore on
Speaker 1: a ninety two yard drive for thirty back of the
Speaker 1: end zone, two point try good. We're tied at fourteen
Speaker 1: eight forty nine left in the third quarter, but from
Speaker 1: that point on it was all New Orleans. Seventy seven
Speaker 1: yard drive or tasom fourth and one. The Cleveland thirty
Speaker 1: three took it to the house to go up twenty
Speaker 1: one to fourteen after a Cleveland punt, New Orleans set
Speaker 1: up at Cleveland thirty five by Dante Pettis fifty three
Speaker 1: yard punt return six plays in cartera Jawan Johnson twenty
Speaker 1: eight to fourteen, eventual turnover on downs and then Katie
Speaker 1: bar the door tas them for seventy five thirty five
Speaker 1: to fourteen. I don't understand the money on Cleveland. I
Speaker 1: really don't, even though I get it. It was fourteen
Speaker 1: fourteen at one point, but what was the deal with
Speaker 1: everybody betting the Browns that said, Mike Tomlin's going to
Speaker 1: continue the streak on Thursday night.
Speaker 2: I'll say four and a half point favorite Cleveland. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're closed, Steelers four. There's some three and a half's
Speaker 2: out there now.
Speaker 1: Never been as wrong about anything ever as I have
Speaker 1: been about the twenty twenty four Pittsburgh Steelers.
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Speaker 1: Yeah man, we got to talk about that Tyson fight later.
Speaker 2: But we're getting very kaleidoscopy on our on our promotional graphics.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe take something before you you watch us.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, they're looking like NBA Cup Courts.
Speaker 1: Hey man, Tyson and Paul hey Man.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Uh, I'm I do that with everything now.
Speaker 2: Don't can be started on this like I texted you
Speaker 2: yes or Saturday or whatever. I'm still upset about this.
Speaker 2: Is gonna be upset about it until the end of
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 1: Listen, We'll get to what Kelly's talking about. But I
Speaker 1: just want to say the the broadcast itself a overly
Speaker 1: excited play by play guy, a hard to understand Roy
Speaker 1: Jones Jr. And a really not adding much Rosie Perez.
Speaker 2: You texted me that, I was like, Yep, you nailed
Speaker 2: that right on that. I can't you got.
Speaker 1: All of that correct with a Netflix that buffered over
Speaker 1: and over to the point where you were like, I'm
Speaker 1: not touching my remote anymore lest something happened.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's the route you went. I did the
Speaker 2: I had it would freeze on me. I'd had to
Speaker 2: exit out of it. I exit out of it and
Speaker 2: then get back in, and it was fine. So I
Speaker 2: just literally I kept going back out of the fight
Speaker 2: and then back into the fight. I didn't have to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Mine kept going from clear screen to janky screen, back
Speaker 1: to clear screen, back to janky screen. And then I
Speaker 1: just got lucky that it was clear during the fight itself.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure most people know this, But the
Speaker 2: real terrifying part about that, Gil, it's don't think you
Speaker 2: just watched that Friday night and you're like, good, I'm
Speaker 2: never gonna be watching a sporting Netflix again. No, you
Speaker 2: got NFL on Christmas Day on Netflix. Stop it. So
Speaker 2: I hope that was a test run for old Netflix
Speaker 2: with what they're doing.
Speaker 1: Ethan with his comment here, he didn't really like the fight,
Speaker 1: but he said, we got a meme for the ages.
Speaker 2: That's a really yeah, that was for us. That was
Speaker 2: just randomly texted to me by Matt Brown on Friday night.
Speaker 1: Your point was this, though, Your point was you're so
Speaker 1: mad this is like Will Hill's name of his podcast
Speaker 1: should have bet More. You're so mad you didn't bet
Speaker 1: more on, Jake Paul.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I really am, I really am. I mean
Speaker 2: it is it's different. You and I were texting about this, like, yes,
Speaker 2: it's it's a it's different where it's Jake Paul, I
Speaker 2: don't know that much about the guy. Yes, we know,
Speaker 2: we've been hearing and we like you just smiled at me.
Speaker 2: We've been joking about this guy for like six years,
Speaker 2: it feels like now. But like he is a professional fighter.
Speaker 2: He's a professional boxer, is a Tyson whatever.
Speaker 1: He fights pro he fights old I mean this is
Speaker 1: kind of his thing, right, he finds he fights MMA fighters,
Speaker 1: He fights old guys beyond their prime, Like at some
Speaker 1: point he's gotta fight legit.
Speaker 2: Sure right, fine, but he boxes and like Mike, Tyson
Speaker 2: has a box in twenty years And everything we joked
Speaker 2: about on Friday ended up playing out to a tee. Actually,
Speaker 2: it played out far worse than I even could have imagined.
Speaker 2: That Tyson was absolutely, absolutely live the first up rounds, Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: Tyson could have got one in. Who knows how this
Speaker 2: could have been different. But after round two, and I
Speaker 2: live betted after round two and I should have put
Speaker 2: everything I had on it then, but I didn't. I
Speaker 2: held back, aside, I don't really know about this Jake
Speaker 2: ball guy. Well, no, no, no. And then it was the
Speaker 2: easiest runaway victory in the history.
Speaker 1: But you were equating it with Mayweather McGregor, which I objected.
Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I thought you did intend. You
Speaker 2: know you said that.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I'm.
Speaker 2: Not saying it's to that level, but you know what,
Speaker 2: the only.
Speaker 1: Suggesting is I tried to get you to equated, but.
Speaker 2: You know what, the you know I was thinking about
Speaker 2: it after. Really, the only big difference between that that
Speaker 2: and this fight was to me, Gil is that I've
Speaker 2: I knew those fighters way better than what I knew
Speaker 2: these two guys coming in. I knew Mayweather's experience McGregor's
Speaker 2: experience way better and recent recent history way better than
Speaker 2: these two guys heading into.
Speaker 1: The The only thing I want to add to this, though,
Speaker 1: is people think constantly he's fifty eight. People are making
Speaker 1: fifty eight sound like it's one hundred and fifty eight.
Speaker 1: Like I, I do think part of the underrated thing
Speaker 1: of this was that he had a knee break, Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think he could talk. Oh, I know, so
Speaker 1: I think that was that was kind of the part
Speaker 1: that no one's acknowledging. Also, and in the first round
Speaker 1: or there was like a moment there in the first round,
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, no, he's going to catch him. He
Speaker 1: got he got a couple of licks in that, You're like,
Speaker 1: And then by the end of the third round, it
Speaker 1: was so over, it was so due.
Speaker 2: It was so due. And then it was tough to watch, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, just as it.
Speaker 1: Was terrible to watch when he would The worst was
Speaker 1: when Tyson would stat not stagger, but would limp back
Speaker 1: to his corner.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, I don't want to see this. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but no, you're right. I mean it's I mean, he's
Speaker 2: gone through a galllet of health issues here recently, right,
Speaker 2: and then you're right, he had the rap on his knee.
Speaker 2: We didn't really know about, I mean what he did it.
Speaker 2: He did it during his career, right, the whole biting
Speaker 2: of the glove. But it was like non stop.
Speaker 1: Non stop biting of the glove, non stop biting of
Speaker 1: the glove. That was Yes, it was always a tick,
Speaker 1: but not every ten seconds.
Speaker 2: It was. I don't like, I didn't even know what
Speaker 2: to make of him, Like he was catching, like he
Speaker 2: was catching his breath or some I don't know what
Speaker 2: it was. Man should have won so much more.
Speaker 1: Kelly's Kelly's angry.
Speaker 2: He's very angry, be mad about it for months. All right,
Speaker 2: let's let's go to Sunday. All right, Sunday Early Window.
Speaker 1: I wanted that to be cathartic for you, but I
Speaker 1: don't think we accomplished that.
Speaker 2: No, it's not. It's just, you know, we always say it.
Speaker 2: The missed opportunities are way worse than the losses. They
Speaker 2: are way more annoying than the loss They are all right,
Speaker 2: Sunday Early Window. Vikings at the.
Speaker 1: Bears, fucking he said, the Bears Vikings Titans. Well, how
Speaker 1: do we follow that? Vikings beat the Titans. This is
Speaker 1: one of these games where I thought there was value
Speaker 1: on the Titans, remember guessing lines, But I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't do it, and I'm glad I didn't, because
Speaker 1: the Titans are always like that three to nothing game.
Speaker 1: Titans are up Minnesota, seventy yard drive, Donald to Addison
Speaker 1: for forty seven, seven to three. Than Minnesota. Next time
Speaker 1: they got the ball fourth and goal with the one
Speaker 1: Darnald to Addison, where Mike Brown of the Titans was
Speaker 1: flagged for unnecessary roughness. Really he was flagged for playing
Speaker 1: football for separating Addison from the football. Next play after
Speaker 1: un sportsman like donald sneaks in thirteen to three, John
Speaker 1: Parker Romo, who arrived at the game looking like Jango.
Speaker 1: Did you see that missing the extra point?
Speaker 4: I did?
Speaker 1: Thirteen to three?
Speaker 2: Got to see the foot I just God, just heard
Speaker 2: of his name for the first time last week. Gotta
Speaker 2: see it.
Speaker 1: Sixteen to three Vikings in the second half, and then
Speaker 1: the Tennessee's one glimmering moment third and ten at their
Speaker 1: own two Billy Levi's to Nick Westbrook a kid a
Speaker 1: for ninety eight touchdown, sixteen to ten Minnesota. By the way,
Speaker 1: ninety eight yards on that one play. Do you know how
Speaker 1: many total yards they had in the game? Two ninety
Speaker 1: four man, so a third of their yards on that
Speaker 1: one football play. Anyway, that made it sixteen to ten, ten,
Speaker 1: what is it? Then the Vikings had a sixty five
Speaker 1: yard drive Darnolded to Jefferson for twenty five to start
Speaker 1: to acres in from three to end at twenty three
Speaker 1: to ten, and then Tennessee down twenty three to ten,
Speaker 1: fourth and twelve at the Minnesota twenty five, with just
Speaker 1: over fourteen minutes left in the game, they decided to
Speaker 1: kick a field goal. Did you have a problem with that?
Speaker 1: I did not, Some people did. Twenty three to thirteen, Minnesota.
Speaker 1: That's how it would end. Tennessee would never get close.
Speaker 1: Turnover on downs, turnover on downs. Levis picked. That was
Speaker 1: it by Harrison Smith. Twenty three to thirteen. Again they
Speaker 1: held Tennessee. Minnesota did it two hundred and ninety four yards,
Speaker 1: ninety eight of them on one play. And then there's
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears. Oh my um the Bears. Green Bay
Speaker 1: let off the festivities eight play, seventy yards love to
Speaker 1: Jayden Reid from fifteen out seven to Zhering Packers. It
Speaker 1: would be seven to three, and then Green Bay would
Speaker 1: matriculate from their own twenty four but third and eleven
Speaker 1: at the Chicago fifteen love pick by Terrell Smith. Chicago
Speaker 1: would then ensue with the seventy six yard Drivershawn Johnson
Speaker 1: in from one ten to seven Bears. That is the
Speaker 1: first touchdown in three games for the Chicago Bears offense.
Speaker 1: That would be the halftime score. Then thirteen to seven
Speaker 1: Bears green Bay seventy yard drive set up I Love
Speaker 1: to Christian Watson from twenty five Jacobs in from seven
Speaker 1: to fourteen thirteen green Bay a little more than halfway
Speaker 1: through the third quarter, Chicago's seventy eight yard drive. Half
Speaker 1: of that into the end zone from Swift for thirty
Speaker 1: nine nineteen fourteen. Chicago two point try fails closing seconds
Speaker 1: of the third quarter. Then green Bay, do you have
Speaker 1: a problem with this? They're down nineteen fourteen, fourth and
Speaker 1: goal at the six, with eleven twenty nine left. They
Speaker 1: opt to go for it down five, fourth and goal
Speaker 1: at the six, eleven twenty nine left. Love only gains
Speaker 1: five yard.
Speaker 2: I probably would have kicked it, but I was. I
Speaker 2: was okay with it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Chicago from their own one, then milks the clock
Speaker 1: from eleven nineteen all the way down at four to
Speaker 1: twenty seven before they punt. A lot of long drives
Speaker 1: yesterday too, a lot of miss chip shot field goals.
Speaker 2: And a lot of long drive So that's also part
Speaker 2: of it, though, right we're I'm more okay going with
Speaker 2: it because you pay, because you're gonna put a young
Speaker 2: quarterback up against the goal line.
Speaker 1: If you don't get it, it's green Bay down five.
Speaker 1: Get the ball back four plays, seventy eight yards, Love
Speaker 1: to Watson for sixty the big one great catch, got
Speaker 1: up a lot of yak. Two plays later, Love and
Speaker 1: from one two point try fail. So green Bay's up
Speaker 1: twenty to nineteen, two fifty nine left in the game.
Speaker 1: Caleb gets sacked twice, then a six yard game to
Speaker 1: a Dunze fourth and three at their own thirty seven
Speaker 1: with one thirty three back shoulder to a Dunza. Great
Speaker 1: pass by Caleb. By the way, Caleb played great in
Speaker 1: this game. We're not playing that thing this week. To
Speaker 1: a Dunze for twenty one to the green Bay forty
Speaker 1: two to Keenan for twelve to the green Bay thirty
Speaker 1: with thirty four seconds to go, thirty four seconds to go,
Speaker 1: they got one time out there at the green Bay
Speaker 1: thirty to down one point. After a two yard pickup
Speaker 1: by Rashaun Johnson, they just decide to let the clock
Speaker 1: go and go and go and go, and they're like, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll just have a Cairo Santo's forty six yarder blocked
Speaker 1: by Carl Brooks ballgame, Green Bay wins at twenty to nineteen.
Speaker 1: Did Matt Eberflus cost in the game by letting the
Speaker 1: clock just go and they didn't try to matriculate it further?
Speaker 2: Yeah, with a run or a pass or whatever, just
Speaker 2: get anything extra. You can lost crazy the blocks the pass.
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it would have been blocked from everywhere,
Speaker 1: but that seemed very lollygaggish to me and to a
Speaker 1: lot of people. I'll say, Minnesota minus three at Chicago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are a little light three and a halfs
Speaker 2: mainly out there right now.
Speaker 1: I don't think Minnesota hasn't done much to impress in
Speaker 1: a long time. Yeah, so I don't think he'd be
Speaker 1: that much more. But good on Caleb by the way
Speaker 1: for having a great game yesterday. Is not special. Oh wait,
Speaker 1: I'm never I've never trusting you guys in anything again,
Speaker 1: just just malpractice. Welcome back, more guesting lines.
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Speaker 2: because it's all on the app. A lot of us
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Speaker 2: So I was doing some work on Saturday watching watching
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Speaker 1: Well, also are live shows right on the weekend where
Speaker 1: it used to be really clunky, a lot less clunky now,
Speaker 1: just to have that going while the games are going on.
Speaker 2: So and then I got in the car though I
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Speaker 1: It's great, Hey man, what's next?
Speaker 2: That's a great question. Gil. It is the Lions at the.
Speaker 1: Coltsly, okay, Lions, let me just go through the Lions drives.
Speaker 1: You ready, seventy yards Montgomery in from two seven to three.
Speaker 1: Thirteen plays ninety three yards Gibbs in from one after
Speaker 1: Gibbs for twenty three and three fourteen to three. Early
Speaker 1: second quarter. Next time I got the ball, Detroit eight
Speaker 1: plays sixty four yards Montgomery in from six twenty one
Speaker 1: to three. Next play they got the ball, Detroit four
Speaker 1: plays eighty four yards to Gibbs for fifty four to
Speaker 1: start to Saint Brown for twenty seven to twenty eight
Speaker 1: to three.
Speaker 2: That would be a twenty eight to six to the half.
Speaker 1: Third quarter, four plays eighty yards go off to Jamison
Speaker 1: for sixty four to thirty five to six. Next play,
Speaker 1: next time they got the ball, pardon me, eighty three
Speaker 1: yard drive golf to brock Right from five out, forty
Speaker 1: two to six. Next time they got the ball, nine
Speaker 1: plays ninety six yards goff to Saint Brown from nine
Speaker 1: out forty nine to six. And then the next time
Speaker 1: they got the ball, Jake Bates with a fifty four
Speaker 1: yard field goal fifty two to six. I have a
Speaker 1: couple things to say about this game. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: let me go through the box score. This is insanity.
Speaker 1: Goff twenty four of twenty nine for four to twelve,
Speaker 1: four touchdowns, no picks, perfect passer rating, Saint Brown eleven
Speaker 1: for one sixty one, two touchdowns, Jamison four uh for
Speaker 1: one twenty four to touchdown, Gibbs eleven for sixty nine
Speaker 1: and a touchdown on the ground one catch for fifty
Speaker 1: four yards. Here is the final total yards in this
Speaker 1: game between the Lions and the Jaguars, who I haven't
Speaker 1: even said their name yet, six forty five to one seventy,
Speaker 1: And I says to myself self, in all my years
Speaker 1: doing guessing lines, I don't think I ever remembered something
Speaker 1: like six forty five to one seventy. Do we have
Speaker 1: that tweet, Kelly Bidlin, we do? I I wasn't imagining things.
Speaker 1: Six forty five to one seventy total yards advantage the Lions.
Speaker 1: This comes from Michael David Smith. The Lions outgained the
Speaker 1: Jaguars by four hundred and seventy five.
Speaker 2: Yards to day.
Speaker 1: That's the biggest yard is differential in an NFL game
Speaker 1: since nineteen hundred seventy and nine.
Speaker 2: Man, I kind of want to know what game it
Speaker 2: was in nineteen seventy nine, even though I wouldn't like,
Speaker 2: you know, right, no, the players.
Speaker 1: You don't remember that get by the way, if you
Speaker 1: wanted to break it down into first downs, thirty eight
Speaker 1: to ten in first downs, which is almost as comical
Speaker 1: not to mention time of possession thirty nine oh six
Speaker 1: to twenty fifty four Detroit with just a destruction of
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars. So a lot of people are saying, well,
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson still have a job by the end of
Speaker 1: the day.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm I honestly, you know what. I
Speaker 2: heard that so much yesterday, seen it Twitter today. I'm
Speaker 2: kind of tired of hearing, you know, over the past
Speaker 2: six weeks. I don't know how he had a job
Speaker 2: after London he still does, I don't. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'll get fired before he does.
Speaker 1: In pail Well, I just remember everybody was loving him
Speaker 1: when the Eagles won the Super Bowl, and I kept saying,
Speaker 1: I was like, they are the most third and long
Speaker 1: converting running good team in the history of man.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he's got good hair for his age,
Speaker 2: but you know, let's have that. Other than that, I
Speaker 2: don't know what were they playing. Are they playing Colts?
Speaker 2: You said, yeah, the Colts.
Speaker 1: There's just a way to make this exciting. Except your
Speaker 1: boy Aar, how about.
Speaker 2: That MVP tickets still alive?
Speaker 1: Baby alright, easy Colt sixty six yard drive.
Speaker 2: Ar.
Speaker 1: That's Anthony Richardson's too Oudaana Mitchell.
Speaker 2: From thirty three.
Speaker 1: I know they call him out of a but I'm
Speaker 1: going with the Torah version otto Ni Mitchell, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty three to the one.
Speaker 2: What's funny about that is I never hear them actually
Speaker 2: say his first name.
Speaker 1: They always say Mitchell. I'll say ad, I'm calling him.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I good for you.
Speaker 1: I don'd ar in from two two plays later, ten
Speaker 1: to nothing Indianapolis's early second quarter. They were up three
Speaker 1: to nothing on that particular drive. By the way, the
Speaker 1: field goal was set up by a beautiful aar to
Speaker 1: Josh Down's thirty one yard pass. Thirteen to nothing Indianapolis
Speaker 1: late second quarter. You're like the Jets are just getting
Speaker 1: blown off the football field. The Jets got their first
Speaker 1: first down inside the two minute warning on a seven
Speaker 1: play seventy six yard drive Rogers de Bres for twenty nine,
Speaker 1: thirteen to seven into the half, and then the second
Speaker 1: play of the third quarter, Richardson sacked by Jamien Sherwood fumbles,
Speaker 1: Javon Kinlaw recovers, Jets set up at the Indianapolis twenty
Speaker 1: five two plays bries In from eighteen and the Jets
Speaker 1: lead at fourteen thirteen early third be sixteen to fourteen,
Speaker 1: and then Andrews Carlson would hit a fifty eight yarder
Speaker 1: to make it seventeen to sixteen, and then the Jets
Speaker 1: would go on a six play fifty nine yard drive
Speaker 1: Rogers to Kenny Ebo from eleven out twenty four to
Speaker 1: sixteen Jets early fourth quarter, and then Anthony Richardson Kelly's
Speaker 1: would be MVP went to work. Eight play seventy yards
Speaker 1: Richardson to downs from ten out twenty fourteen twenty two.
Speaker 1: Richardson overthrows the two point try, Andrews Carlson would add
Speaker 1: a chip shot field well twenty seven to twenty two
Speaker 1: Jets to forty one left. Six plays seventy yards richardsonto
Speaker 1: Peers from thirty nine and the downs for seventeen the
Speaker 1: big chunks, and then Richardson in from four on his
Speaker 1: own on third and goal two point try fails twenty eight,
Speaker 1: twenty seven Indianapolis and then on the final drive with
Speaker 1: forty six seconds left. Rogers sacked twice in three plays
Speaker 1: by Quinny pay ballgame. Colts win, Jets think twenty eight
Speaker 1: to twenty seven, and the Colts now with Anthony Richardson
Speaker 1: playing by the way, the Colts held the Jets to
Speaker 1: just two hundred and fifty three total yards. They're five
Speaker 1: and six. You know what they're thinking of themselves. We
Speaker 1: might be able to get to the playoffs, That's what
Speaker 1: they're thinking. Detroit's gonna be a massive favorite, though. I'm
Speaker 1: say ten and a half point favorites.
Speaker 2: You are, you're heavy? I would have had really yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is eight. There are some seven and a halves
Speaker 2: out there. I have already played it in real table teasers.
Speaker 2: Are you serious? Yeah no, I don't know. Okay, I'm
Speaker 2: with you. I thought it was going to be pushing ten.
Speaker 2: I thought it was gonna be like nine and a
Speaker 2: half ten. You put it in a teaser range. I'm
Speaker 2: all over that one. This week.
Speaker 1: Let's squeeze in another.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's head to Miami. Patriots at the Dolphins.
Speaker 1: I mean, I get it, they are on the road.
Speaker 1: But right New England loses to the Rams. Drake May
Speaker 1: was pretty good Drake May thirty of forty for two
Speaker 1: to eighty two in a game where the Patriots were
Speaker 1: minus two and turnovers. Uh Patriots led it seven to
Speaker 1: nothing on a made of Born touchdown from ten out,
Speaker 1: but then the Rams uh a couple drives later nine
Speaker 1: plays eighty yards to Pooka a coup for twenty five
Speaker 1: to start the draft a cup from five out to
Speaker 1: end it seven to seven midway through the second. Then
Speaker 1: New England thirty three at their own twenty seven. Here's
Speaker 1: where it started to go bad for them. May sacked
Speaker 1: by Braden Fisk, fumbles, Kobe Turner recovers first play on
Speaker 1: the ensuing drive. Staffords in Nakuah. What a catch, diving
Speaker 1: catch from twelve out.
Speaker 2: Play of the day.
Speaker 1: You know what, kil what, He's pretty good, thanks man.
Speaker 1: Can I can I cash that Rookie of the Year
Speaker 1: ticket from last year?
Speaker 2: He is pretty good?
Speaker 1: For weeks fourteen to seven Rams five forty five left
Speaker 1: in the second quarter. It be fourteen to ten at
Speaker 1: the half, and then the third quarter second play, Stafford
Speaker 1: took cup for sixty.
Speaker 2: Nine behind the defense. Did you see that? Nobody?
Speaker 1: Nobody accounted for Cooper Cup? So it was twenty one
Speaker 1: to ten. It we'll get to twenty one to thirteen.
Speaker 1: The Rams would score again. Seven play seventy three yards
Speaker 1: Stafford to Kolby Parkinson from nineteen out, perfect pass the
Speaker 1: back of the end zone twenty eight to thirteen, and
Speaker 1: you figure the Rams.
Speaker 2: Were going to run away with it.
Speaker 1: But not so fast, my friend, because New England had
Speaker 1: themselves a seventy yard drive made to low from four
Speaker 1: out extra point blocks overmain twenty eight to nineteen. They
Speaker 1: got into twenty eight twenty two. Patriots had the ball
Speaker 1: down six, taking over at their own ten with two
Speaker 1: fourteen left, but five plays in May pick deep by
Speaker 1: Karen By Cameron Kitchens, ball game, Rams win at twenty
Speaker 1: eight twenty two. And then Miami. Miami just had these
Speaker 1: really long drives against the Raiders. They got the ball
Speaker 1: to start seventy yards, they took it all the way
Speaker 1: down to six forty seven left in the first quarter.
Speaker 1: Next time they started the second quarter, they took it
Speaker 1: all the way from fifteen minutes to six forty six
Speaker 1: with the field wheel to make it ten. By the way,
Speaker 1: their first touchdown was on and fourth and goal for
Speaker 1: the one second half. By the way, it was so
Speaker 1: it was ten to six at the half. Miami would
Speaker 1: have a big fourteen play ninety seven yard drive two
Speaker 1: out to Tyreek that was also a long drive from
Speaker 1: eight out seventeen to six. The Raiders would match it
Speaker 1: on a touchdown drive that featured minshoot of Bowers for
Speaker 1: twenty three. Bowers is their only bright spot. Seventeen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: seventeen to twelve, but the two point drive fails and
Speaker 1: then you thought, oh, maybe the Raiders can get back
Speaker 1: then this. But though Miami then sixty yard drive, sixty
Speaker 1: yard drive, I should say that also will time consuming
Speaker 1: drive eight chan in from two twenty four to twelve.
Speaker 1: Raiders would match it. They would never quite be in
Speaker 1: this twenty four to nineteen with four to twenty three left,
Speaker 1: but then second and eleven at their own forty three
Speaker 1: two of Fine's John who behind the defense fifty seven
Speaker 1: yard touchdown pass Katie bar the door that made it
Speaker 1: thirty one to nineteen, and after I picked by Jalen Ramsey,
Speaker 1: thirty four to nineteen r Dolphins Dolphins by six at
Speaker 1: home against the Patriots would be my guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like this is the same same thing
Speaker 2: you did last week. If I remember it is stolphing
Speaker 2: seven and a half.
Speaker 1: Wow by more than seven again, though, do I want
Speaker 1: to race up the Patriots?
Speaker 2: I do not.
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Speaker 1: Back up a numbers game live from Circa Resorts. You
Speaker 1: can see now here in downtown Las Vegas. Skill Alexander.
Speaker 1: It's Kelly Biblin. Kelly and I have conversations.
Speaker 2: All fair.
Speaker 1: We actually speak to each other, unlike some other people.
Speaker 2: Plus plus plus subscription.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Kelly just said something that I would like to
Speaker 1: push back against. He said that the word O R
Speaker 1: I G I N can be pronounced two ways.
Speaker 2: Origin and origin.
Speaker 1: Come on, nobody's origin come on.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's enough of that. We get he gets tweets
Speaker 2: and the origin of super soup to nuts. He gets
Speaker 2: tweets and beating the book.
Speaker 1: Bob C Dash one thirty seven. I lost four of
Speaker 1: six survivor entries over the first few weeks on Cincinnata.
Speaker 1: I've lost contest point after contest point on Cincy, and
Speaker 1: I think I'll continue to pick them. Can someone help?
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just can't quit. You You're not alone, Bob.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, I've thought this same thing. About myself multiple
Speaker 2: times this year. I'm right there with you, buddy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Jeremiah Westgates, See Gil, I told you the Chargers
Speaker 1: were a lock. We'll get to that game when it
Speaker 1: comes up. Kevin Ryan Gil no rookie quarterback has improved
Speaker 1: more Nicks than bo Knicks this year? Is he worth
Speaker 1: a flyer for Rookie of the Year. Pretty easy schedule
Speaker 1: to finish the year. Let me just say this, I
Speaker 1: have been wrong about Mike Tomlin and I have been
Speaker 1: wrong about Bonnicks, even though I had the Broncos yesterday,
Speaker 1: which was easy peasy, but that's more to me. That
Speaker 1: was more of a damning of the Falcons than almost anything,
Speaker 1: and the whole Kirk Cousins career experience. He's down to
Speaker 1: three to one bon Nicks for Rookie of the Year.
Speaker 1: Three to one. We wow, I had not checked in
Speaker 1: on this market. Yes, he's down to three to one,
Speaker 1: which I guess said. And Jaden Daniels is down to
Speaker 1: minus four hundred.
Speaker 2: Something, which is by I mean, were we minus three
Speaker 2: thousand or something?
Speaker 1: We were, but he had a bad game and Bodex
Speaker 1: had a great game, So now it's that I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't I wouldn't read too much into the movement
Speaker 1: of this, but is it worth a flyer? I'm a
Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels guys, I would say no, but I get
Speaker 1: the sentiment. Let's put it that way. If there is
Speaker 1: a there is a scenario, right, if Jayden Daniels can
Speaker 1: if that game this, you know, this past Thursday night
Speaker 1: continues to be the norm, or if Jadan Daniels, God forbid,
Speaker 1: I don't want to say it out loud, but you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, right, then there's a way. But
Speaker 1: if Jaden Daniels is still Jaden Daniels from what we've seen,
Speaker 1: there's no chance. Yeah.
Speaker 2: My bigger reaction is actually how much that numbers come
Speaker 2: down on Jayden. Bodis has been great. We were talking
Speaker 2: about the Raiders.
Speaker 1: Last week, went on the Broncos, good on Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: good on bo Nicks. The in season improvement has even
Speaker 1: been unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It's been incredible. I think Drake may is great, but
Speaker 2: you know what, well, if I actually had a ballot,
Speaker 2: brock Bowers would still be would be number two on
Speaker 2: my ballot. Really, that's how good he's been on a
Speaker 2: terrible team with limited quarterback play. I am shocked at
Speaker 2: how good he.
Speaker 1: Has been primetime Cowboys underscore Cubs one yo. Just got
Speaker 1: a call for the Van Buren Boys from the mean
Speaker 1: streets of Plano, Texas. Word on the street is they're
Speaker 1: none too happy with Kelly Billin's overexposure on against America's
Speaker 1: team tonight. I'm sorry, but mister, you don't even want
Speaker 1: me to say that. Better learn the secret code asap.
Speaker 1: Gills guys, what a Monday Guessing lines with Gil Monday
Speaker 1: Night Football. Oh and Paul Skeins with wins n L
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year tonight, Please, he says.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 1: Major League Baseball Awards season begins at Earnest tonight.
Speaker 2: Wow, Wow, we're finally here. What year is the are
Speaker 2: these four? Are these for twenty twenty four? I think so.
Speaker 1: The numbers, guys, I almost agree with you on a
Speaker 1: or at least understand where you're coming from on everything. However,
Speaker 1: Steelers under eight and a half to start the season
Speaker 1: was not one of those times. Then two weeks ago
Speaker 1: when the number was ten and a half, what do
Speaker 1: you think I did?
Speaker 2: Shame on me.
Speaker 1: I took the under You're ten and anel still could
Speaker 1: get there because it is a gaunlin. But you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm done saying bad things. Ice cool gambler. I had
Speaker 1: to have the fight on both my TV so that
Speaker 1: when one would freeze the other was good. It was
Speaker 1: a disaster. It really was a disaster. That's amazing that
Speaker 1: one would freeze the other one. Harold Irving any truth
Speaker 1: to the fact that Iron Mike was taking a dose
Speaker 1: of magic mushrooms before the fight. Some people were saying
Speaker 1: that they were like, he looked a little off.
Speaker 2: I mean, I thought he looked a little off, but
Speaker 2: I didn't think any of that.
Speaker 1: Las Vegas five one four Yo. I just wanted to say, Yo,
Speaker 1: that's this whole tweet. Harold Irving adds. He goes, speaking
Speaker 1: of mv does yesterday's performance, he raced last week's five
Speaker 1: interception game for golf. Yeah, I think the two even
Speaker 1: out and even again even the five interception game, like
Speaker 1: he never got flustered. And then Lamar had his game yesterday.
Speaker 1: So you know, Jason H eleven, why do I like
Speaker 1: to play Sigma Derby while listening to Seeger Because this
Speaker 1: league is a sugar nah. All right, we'll read more
Speaker 1: tweets coming up. We got to get some games. Thank
Speaker 1: you all for the feedback. We'll get to more, by
Speaker 1: the way, just to recap what we've done already. So
Speaker 1: I thought Minnesota would be three, you're telling me it's Minnesota. Minnesota.
Speaker 1: Minnesota's three and a half at Chicago, Okay, again lean bears,
Speaker 1: not racing to bet that. I said Detroit would be
Speaker 1: ten and a half. At Indianapolis, you're telling me it's
Speaker 1: only eight.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm yep.
Speaker 1: Interesting said there's seven mostly seven and a half. Z
Speaker 1: out and then I guess Miami six hosting New England.
Speaker 1: You're telling me it's over seven. Yes, we are at
Speaker 1: that weird time of year where things are clearer, and
Speaker 1: I just don't know if I'm racing to bet any
Speaker 1: of those little edges that I have perceived. Here, Let's
Speaker 1: see if we can run into one that I do
Speaker 1: like better.
Speaker 2: Happened to fair amount with you last week. I feel
Speaker 2: like it happens to me this time of year too,
Speaker 2: where you just expect you're like a point and a
Speaker 2: half two points off on some of these bigger favorites
Speaker 2: that you think, and yeah, it's just that's right.
Speaker 1: Because I liked the Titans in terms of quote unquote value.
Speaker 1: But I didn't dare play them, which was the right move,
Speaker 1: and I actually think thought Dallas had some value. I
Speaker 1: didn't dare play them tonight. Saints was the one I
Speaker 1: did play.
Speaker 2: What's next? All right? Next up, we have the Buccaneers
Speaker 2: at the Giants and we have breaking news this morning.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it appears that the Daniel Jones era might be done.
Speaker 1: Tommy DeVito getting the start for the New York Giants.
Speaker 2: What gil, No way, it's Tommy DeVito. They just brought
Speaker 2: in a quarterback.
Speaker 1: It is Tommy DeVito, though it is, But how does
Speaker 1: that make any sense? Well, Tommy DeVito with monicum of
Speaker 1: success last year, we don't have to go over ease
Speaker 1: because neither of these team played so Tampa Bay, I'll
Speaker 1: say minus four on the road. But now if it's DeVito,
Speaker 1: may maybe four and a half or five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's been bouncing around all morning. It is
Speaker 2: four and a half right now at DraftKings.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it has been jumping around as bad as
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is for their long term, like they've they
Speaker 1: know what they have now in this one particular game.
Speaker 2: I do think it's probably a downgrade. We are anywhere
Speaker 2: between four and five on that game right now, so
Speaker 2: shop around the other one. I heard a bit of
Speaker 2: this last night. I was wanting to see how like
Speaker 2: what Drew, what are you doing with Drew Locke? I
Speaker 2: don't understand the Drew lock thing.
Speaker 1: I don't know made my top fifteen backups checking in
Speaker 1: at number thirteen.
Speaker 2: See it made Gills top top thirteen.
Speaker 1: Yes, they did top thirteen backup.
Speaker 2: Like, what's they didn't like? They paid him? Why are
Speaker 2: you not? I don't get that one thing I caught
Speaker 2: last night. It's supposed to be we were supposed to
Speaker 2: get weather in Cleveland this week. That that total is
Speaker 2: poolumitting this morning.
Speaker 1: Okay, we are down to thirty six and a half
Speaker 1: most for the Thursday night game. The Thursday night game,
Speaker 1: Steelers like it ugly.
Speaker 2: Next, here's Giants Cowboys at Commanders, Dallas Washington. The greatest
Speaker 2: rivalry in sports.
Speaker 1: It's nineteen eighty two? Is it nineteen eighty two? No?
Speaker 4: Not?
Speaker 1: I said, Okay to Washington, We're going to have extra
Speaker 1: rest here, Dallas short rest, so you have a long rest,
Speaker 1: short rest game. Cowboys side unseen of course, as they
Speaker 1: played a night I'm gonna say the I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: the DC Skins by a touchdown, baby, give me seven.
Speaker 2: How bad has it gotten gotten in Dallas? Gill Commanders
Speaker 2: by ten?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Wait a minute, hold on. I'm a
Speaker 1: lifelong Washingtonian. I'm a lifelong Skins fans. Have the Can
Speaker 1: someone find this outph Has Washington in the history of
Speaker 1: my lifetime ever been a ten point favorite against the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys in any game?
Speaker 2: Ever? Oh? Man, I'm gonna guess so. I but yes,
Speaker 2: last time they were double you legit favorites over the Cowboys.
Speaker 2: You would have to.
Speaker 1: Tell me when that would have been, because even when
Speaker 1: Washington was winning Super Bowls, Dallas was good. That's amazing
Speaker 1: to me. Ten. It just by the way, I'm not
Speaker 1: disagreeing with it. I'm just saying my DNA, my core
Speaker 1: does not allow me to guess that high on this game,
Speaker 1: does not allow me to ten.
Speaker 2: Ten.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right, next up, I'm gonna try it.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna effort that one for you, Chiefs at Panthers.
Speaker 2: Let's skip that one. Let's go to the next one. Okay,
Speaker 2: Titans at Text because we don't have enough time.
Speaker 1: Titans at Texans Okay, this falls under the same category
Speaker 1: Titans played. Obviously, we talked about them losing to the Vikings,
Speaker 1: where a third of their total yards came on one play.
Speaker 1: The Titans are two and eight, like the Brownies are
Speaker 1: two and eight. No team has a worse record. They're
Speaker 1: at Houston. Houston plays Dallas tonight. Billy Levi's, by the way,
Speaker 1: seventeen of thirty one for two ninety five yesterday, but
Speaker 1: the Titans only had eleven first downs. They also had
Speaker 1: thirteen penalties for ninety one yards. That also plagued the Ravens,
Speaker 1: by the way, a lot of penalties. And again, as
Speaker 1: I said, they were held the two hundred and ninety
Speaker 1: four yards, ninety eight of them on one play. I
Speaker 1: will say Houston minus seven and.
Speaker 2: A half, ding, ding, ding all over it. Two. There
Speaker 2: you go. Okay, Teez the Texans tonight, I have a funeral.
Speaker 2: We'll be back with the Texans again next week. You'll
Speaker 2: Washington is favored by dem over Dallas. I still can't
Speaker 2: get over that.
Speaker 1: And I get an extra rests short rest.
Speaker 2: But man, that goes a.
Speaker 1: Gift, that goes against my lifetime of just of knowing
Speaker 1: that rivalry. Let me just ask you this because we're
Speaker 1: gonna get you mentioned with Chiefs games coming up. We're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about the Chiefs and the Bills of the
Speaker 1: and we'll tease it with this. Of the three more
Speaker 1: key games Washington Philly on Thursday, Pittsburgh Baltimore yesterday, and
Speaker 1: Buffalo Kansas City yesterday, take those six teams, who did
Speaker 1: we learn the most about or what result was the
Speaker 1: most significant for one of those six teams? In other words,
Speaker 1: Buffalo Kansas City to me, kind of what I expected.
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Washington, all right, probably what I expected, even though
Speaker 1: I had the skins of that game plus the points.
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Baltimore to me, of those six teams, Baltimore losing
Speaker 1: was the most important thing of any.
Speaker 2: Of those six outcomes for those sixteens. Okay, yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: That was most surprised because it just reminded me of
Speaker 1: them in big s situations. We'll get to the Chiefs
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Speaker 1: quick basic question without going into too much detail. I
Speaker 1: am one of seven entries remaining in my Survivor pool.
Speaker 1: Six have already won this week.
Speaker 2: I have Houston.
Speaker 1: We are able to change picks until kickoff and taking
Speaker 1: one available by per year is available. So should I
Speaker 1: play Houston tonight or take my buye? Well, Brad, if
Speaker 1: there's one thing I hate doing is giving Survivor advice
Speaker 1: when I'm long gone and then having to deal with
Speaker 1: the results of my advice.
Speaker 2: Well there's that. And also we have no idea what
Speaker 2: you've played what you have that's correct, right.
Speaker 1: But my sense is I wouldn't use the buye tonight.
Speaker 1: I would actually having said all of that. Having said
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Speaker 1: fifty nine hundred feet or higher.
Speaker 2: Very good, Bryan, thank you very much. I believe I
Speaker 2: heard Dreordian and you getting geto that a little bit
Speaker 2: on their PODLA the elevation, and I don't think there
Speaker 2: was a It didn't get as escalated as Matt Gill
Speaker 2: back in the day, but I think there was some
Speaker 2: questioning of it, and then they respectfully resolved it really
Speaker 2: quick on Matt and I. We didn't do anything, or
Speaker 2: though your rephrased, I believe it was like, eh, well,
Speaker 2: you know whatever, let's move on, instead of you and
Speaker 2: Mat being like, God, I'm right, I'm right, I'm right.
Speaker 1: I don't remember it that way, Kelly. Jordan Pagel, I
Speaker 1: know it's guessing lines football Monday, but do we know
Speaker 1: whose moms are presenting the Major League Baseball Rookie of
Speaker 1: the Awards that I Jordan, that is, of course they
Speaker 1: tell that the MLB network will give us tonight. We
Speaker 1: will know before the actual award is announced by which
Speaker 1: family member is presenting the awards.
Speaker 2: I just heard that the entire LSU athletics department planned
Speaker 2: on being there. Olivia Dunn will be there. She'll be
Speaker 2: leading the leading the flag at the beginning.
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting, mister bomb Apple, mister bomb mapple. Gents,
Speaker 1: is there a bet to be made?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: I like this on NFC South winner Atlanta minus five
Speaker 1: hundred minus five hundred seems way out of whack. Perhaps
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay at plus four fifty, or even the Saints
Speaker 1: at twenty to one. Thoughts Well, mister bomb Apple, if
Speaker 1: that is your real name, I think you're I think
Speaker 1: you're on the right track. Falcons are six and five,
Speaker 1: Bucks are four and six, Saints are four and seven.
Speaker 1: Not to be outdone, by the way, the Panthers are
Speaker 1: three and seven, a full two and a half games out.
Speaker 2: That's it. I hope you didn't cash out.
Speaker 1: The Buccaneers schedule is super duper easy. They would appear
Speaker 1: to me to be the one.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: The Saints I won two in a row with Rizzy
Speaker 1: as their new coach. But the Falcons. The main point
Speaker 1: of that is the Falcons do appear to be completely
Speaker 1: fraudulent as we thought they would be. By the way,
Speaker 1: by the way, Aaron Shot said it in the offseason,
Speaker 1: one of the things he's like, they've got Aaron Shots
Speaker 1: had them as having the worst defense in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and I do and I do get it. They made
Speaker 1: a couple They did have a couple of reinforcements there
Speaker 1: before the season started.
Speaker 2: That makes it even worse.
Speaker 1: But the draft, how many of us It wasn't just us,
Speaker 1: but how many people were like, just draft somewhat on defense,
Speaker 1: not that what with the backup quarterback?
Speaker 2: Hey, yeah, he got some playee tyme yesterday. It's uh,
Speaker 2: it's kind of funny because feel like you've heard this
Speaker 2: brought up multiple times. I have Falcons tickets, so I'm
Speaker 2: not looking to add I understand. I think you said
Speaker 2: it right. Bucks would be the only CONU the one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I asked my question about the Have the Skins
Speaker 1: ever been at ten point favorite against the Cowboys? Trip Tepper,
Speaker 1: you might have to go back to the Gary Hogeboom
Speaker 1: era in the mid eighties to find a Cowboys plus
Speaker 1: ten versus the skin Selfishly, I just wanted to use
Speaker 1: Gary Hogeboom. In a tweet, he says, for the first
Speaker 1: and last time. It's actually probably now that you mentioned
Speaker 1: the mid eighties' probably not the mid eighties, it's probably
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine when the Cowboys went one in fifteen.
Speaker 1: Their one was against Washington. Mark Decard chimes in with
Speaker 1: that as well as in Jimmy Johnson's first year, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were one in fifteen. Their lone win was against
Speaker 1: Washington and Washington, but I don't remember the line. I
Speaker 1: think it was in nineteen eighty nine. It was it
Speaker 1: was mid season, nineteen eighty nine, and I think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were zero to eight and it was Doug Williams
Speaker 1: starting for Washington. It was Sunday Night football, Believe me,
Speaker 1: I remember all the details, and Dallas came in and
Speaker 1: beat them, and Dallas went one in fifteen. That was
Speaker 1: their only win. So it was probably Aikman's rookie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if there was ever a moment that Washington was a
Speaker 1: double digit favorite, that would have been it.
Speaker 2: Were they It was Aikman and Jimmy Johnson, Yes, they
Speaker 2: started together. Did they start together the same year? I
Speaker 2: don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just it was definitely Aikman's rookie. Ye, I remember
Speaker 1: the Apeman like horrible record. Yea, So if he's saying
Speaker 1: it was Jimmy Johnson's rookie, that was the same thing.
Speaker 1: And then they added because Jimmy Johnson knew all the
Speaker 1: great college players, then they just drafted insanely well and
Speaker 1: the Cowboys mini dynasty was formed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right. Next last early window game, chief
Speaker 2: said Panthers chiefs.
Speaker 1: Ad oh Man, Chiefs said, Panthers small number here, the
Speaker 1: now nine.
Speaker 2: And one Chiefs.
Speaker 1: They finally have a blemished record at the three and
Speaker 1: seven Panthers. This game between Buffalo and Kansas City was
Speaker 1: kind of what you would have expected. Kansas City second
Speaker 1: play Mahomes bad decision, Maybe didn't expect that, picked by
Speaker 1: Taylor Rapp. Buffalo turned that into an eight play, sixty
Speaker 1: five yard drive cook In from three touchdown six to nothing,
Speaker 1: Bill's bass missing the extra point. A couple of drives
Speaker 1: later for Kansas City, they would answer eleven play, seventy
Speaker 1: nine yards first play of the second quarter, Mahomes to
Speaker 1: Worthy from ten and out seven to six Chiefs. Early
Speaker 1: second quarter Buffalo, helped along by a defensive hold on
Speaker 1: third and nine, then set up by an Allen to
Speaker 1: Cooper twenty five yard pickup. Great catch that was reviewed
Speaker 1: and held up and held up Cook in the next
Speaker 1: play from six thirteen to seven billiards ten oh eight
Speaker 1: left in the second quarter. Next time Buffalo will get
Speaker 1: the ball fourth and three at the Kansas City thirty four.
Speaker 1: They go for it and Allen overthrows Knox picked by
Speaker 1: Chamari Connor. That was a rare bad decision and bad
Speaker 1: throw by Allen Casey set up at Buffalo forty nine
Speaker 1: plays Mahomes and Noah Gray from two fourteen to thirteen
Speaker 1: Chiefs with two fifty one left in the second quarter,
Speaker 1: Basswoard out of field will before the half, so sixteen
Speaker 1: fourteen Bills heading into the break and already at this
Speaker 1: point my reaction is, wow, this the Chiefs look almost
Speaker 1: I'm almost more impressed with the Chiefs in this game
Speaker 1: losing that I am with them in any of their wins.
Speaker 1: Buffalo would go their third drive of the second half,
Speaker 1: after the team's traded three and outs and then a
Speaker 1: couple other subsequent punts three yard drive Alan Occurtis Samuel
Speaker 1: from twelve out twenty three to fourteen Bills twelve fifty
Speaker 1: one left. Kansas City Mahomes would add would answer seventy yards.
Speaker 1: Mahomes to Gray from one out twenty three to twenty
Speaker 1: one was seven to fifty three left. And then the
Speaker 1: play of the game, which Jim Nance called the greatest
Speaker 1: play of the NFL season. And then after the play happened,
Speaker 1: he was like, what I meant by that.
Speaker 2: Was did you catch that?
Speaker 1: I did, because immediately what he said that, I'm like, really, Jim,
Speaker 1: the greatest play of the NFL season, And it was
Speaker 1: almost like he was listening and he's like, what I
Speaker 1: meant was? I get it? The Jayden and Daniels thing
Speaker 1: was great, But given the circumstances fourth and two at
Speaker 1: the Kansas City twenty six, what I'm referring to is
Speaker 1: Alan to the house, which is what they should have
Speaker 1: got on a third down. Also the best play in football,
Speaker 1: certainly the best play of the Bills for the best
Speaker 1: play in football, Alan to the house thirty twenty one
Speaker 1: Bills with two seventeen left, and then the game was
Speaker 1: effectively over. When Mahomes was picked by Terrell Bernard Ball game,
Speaker 1: Buffalo thirty, Kansas City twenty one one.
Speaker 2: I thought the same thing, why didn't they do that
Speaker 2: on down. Yeah. Oh you want here from Josh Allen
Speaker 2: after the game about that fourth down call Josh Allen
Speaker 2: on the fourth and two which he took to the house.
Speaker 4: Anytime you give the ball back to Pat and that offense,
Speaker 4: you know, down six with the game on the line,
Speaker 4: you know, I'll tell you what they'd like their odds
Speaker 4: in that situation, so wanting to get six or seven
Speaker 4: to try to make it a two score game. And
Speaker 4: you know our defense vote up there at the end
Speaker 4: in a heck of a play by TV and.
Speaker 1: They absolutely should have gone forward or fourth and two
Speaker 1: because Patrick Mahomes is on the other side of the field.
Speaker 2: I was, as someone who was heavily invested in Buffalo yesterday,
Speaker 2: I was pulling my hair out with that or I
Speaker 2: didn't know what to do. Oh, you got Mahomes on it,
Speaker 2: you got to go for it. You That's why I'm
Speaker 2: so angry about the third down call because I thought
Speaker 2: this they could have. I thought they could have avoided
Speaker 2: that situation.
Speaker 1: What I mean if they kick the field goal and
Speaker 1: go up five, twenty six to twenty one, what would
Speaker 1: you put the number at Mahomes coming down and engineering
Speaker 1: a game winning drive at minus two seventy five at
Speaker 1: that point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I Buffalo, Buffalo still could have had another chance, possibly.
Speaker 1: Possibly, possibly, But the Chiefs are good at milkage also
Speaker 1: of the clock.
Speaker 2: So I think that was right.
Speaker 1: But what was the game that we had when we
Speaker 1: had I'm very consistent on this. There was a game
Speaker 1: where I said the only calculus ought to be Patrick
Speaker 1: Mahomes is on the other side of the field, right,
Speaker 1: you should not want to play more football against Patrick Well.
Speaker 2: And that's what don't like. Don't get me wrong. That
Speaker 2: has to factor in in factor in my brain as well.
Speaker 2: So it's it's.
Speaker 1: Not like it was egregious Carolina idyl Kansas City minus well.
Speaker 2: I was low on or I was high on Detroit.
Speaker 1: So now you got me. Now now I'm in my
Speaker 1: hand on this. I'll still say Kansas City minus ten.
Speaker 2: And a half, Chiefs eleven. Oh okay, so you're pretty
Speaker 2: much right right on there. That one was better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Detroit is only eight against Indianapolis. Huh, yeah, you talk,
Speaker 1: you talk about that, Jake Paul should have bet more.
Speaker 1: How badly did you feel that you didn't bet just
Speaker 1: everything you had on Detroit yesterday? Yeah, even at fourteen.
Speaker 2: I didn't even consider it. I didn't really like when
Speaker 2: NFL lines get that high. It's just too it's too
Speaker 2: easy to cross off.
Speaker 1: And for sure, let's get back to that question I asked,
Speaker 1: even though we shouldn't, Even though we shouldn't like that,
Speaker 1: but that's how I often treat them. This Kansasity Buffalo game,
Speaker 1: I think it meant more. It meant more to Buffalo
Speaker 1: to win that than it did to Kansasity.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: If Buffalo doesn't win that game and they can't beat
Speaker 1: Kansas City, yeah, that's a bad thing. So I just
Speaker 1: go back to my question. There was three more key
Speaker 1: games Philly, Washington, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Kansas City Buffalo that the
Speaker 1: result six teams. The result that mattered the most to
Speaker 1: me was Baltimore figuring out a way to lose because
Speaker 1: it reminded me of playoffs gone by. Where again, remember
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I want to find out what
Speaker 1: the Detroit Baltimore super Bowl matchup is. But then I
Speaker 1: see a game like that and I'm like, oh.
Speaker 2: Man, yeah, just trusted on the big stage. I just
Speaker 2: don't and I do. I get it.
Speaker 1: They missed two field goals, but if it ain't one thing,
Speaker 1: it's another. Right, what about you?
Speaker 2: What's the answer to your to that question? I will
Speaker 2: say Baltimore as well, but because it's twofold, it's the
Speaker 2: At first, I was gonna say it's definitely Buffalo over
Speaker 2: Buffalo winning that game because it puts them right on
Speaker 2: the heels for the one seed in the AFC. But
Speaker 2: I will go Baltimore because it launches not only does
Speaker 2: it launch Pittsburgh well well in front of the AFC
Speaker 2: North Race, but also takes Baltimore out. Took Baltimore out
Speaker 2: sort of seemingly all that AFC number one spot race.
Speaker 1: Team most likely to win a game at Kansas City.
Speaker 2: I was about say Arrowhead, it's on aarwhead anymore.
Speaker 1: At Kansas City in the postseason would be Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: Bill Buffalo. Yeah, okay, I probably would go that way
Speaker 1: as well, even though I don't see that coming back.
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Speaker 1: of the college football playoff.
Speaker 2: Man oh man, am I excited about that?
Speaker 1: How great is that? The twelve team format now? And
Speaker 1: so many teams still with either zero, one or two losses.
Speaker 1: More than twenty teams still fall under the under that umbrella.
Speaker 1: So there's two weeks left of the regular season. Then
Speaker 1: we get to a championship week and it's going to
Speaker 1: be I don't know who it is yet, but somebody's
Speaker 1: getting the shaft. Somebody's getting it, and I would hate
Speaker 1: for it to be You know, the quirky thing about
Speaker 1: conference championships is you're supposed to get rewarded for going
Speaker 1: to a champion, to a conference championship, but inevitably I wonder,
Speaker 1: because the people deciding these things are human beings. That's
Speaker 1: just in these people are human beings. I wonder if
Speaker 1: someone who loses a championship game is going to get
Speaker 1: unfairly docked for that success of getting there first, probably
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, somebody's getting the shaft.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's going to be multiple teams that miss
Speaker 2: out that have that have quality cases, right, and it's
Speaker 2: it's we're we're gonna dissect what it could have been
Speaker 2: that kept them out. And yes, I'm sure that will
Speaker 2: probably happen to.
Speaker 1: Boy, but that's part of the fun of it, right,
Speaker 1: debating all that stuff we get. We's at beating the
Speaker 1: book Cowboys Underscore Cubs one. Hey man, I recall the loan,
Speaker 1: he said, Hey man, I recall the lone Cowboys win
Speaker 1: in eighty nine coming against the Skins, and I'd guess,
Speaker 1: I guess we were double digit dogs in that one.
Speaker 1: He's talking about the Cowboys. There was also a Monday
Speaker 1: Monday primetime game during the Dave Campo era that the
Speaker 1: Boys one outright that may have been ten boy dogs
Speaker 1: Manny Davison. Oh what are Joe Srlo's vibes are our night?
Speaker 2: Guy?
Speaker 1: Joe Sirolo around the office after giving out Steelers preseason,
Speaker 1: he went full biff ten and on us.
Speaker 2: That's right. He did shout out.
Speaker 1: Remember he's not quite there yet, but he's almost there.
Speaker 2: He was the only one, man, He was the only one. Good.
Speaker 1: Good on you, Joe Sorolo, Tom Stephen. For comparison, the
Speaker 1: ninety one Skins were favored by two at Dallas Week
Speaker 1: two and by twelve and a half for the Week
Speaker 1: twelve rematch. I was at the Week twelve rematch. Skins
Speaker 1: lost that Skin's only real loss of that season. They
Speaker 1: lost the a week of the year where they didn't
Speaker 1: play folks. Oh, no, that's incorrect. They I'm sorry, we're
Speaker 1: talking about ninety one now, Yeah, ninety one Skins. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting. Twelve and a half point favorites for that game.
Speaker 1: In RFK they were eleven and oh the Skins were
Speaker 1: and they lost because Michael Irvan kept posting up Darryl
Speaker 1: Green like a like a post up in basketball roads.
Speaker 1: Does Dion be he goes yo? Does Deon become the
Speaker 1: next head coach of the Jaguars, of the Cowboys, I
Speaker 1: think Cowboys. I don't get the Jaguars thing. I mean
Speaker 1: I do because it's Florida, but I get it.
Speaker 2: But no, are we so sure he's going to make
Speaker 2: that jump to the to the pros.
Speaker 1: Who gets the pick that gets to pick Shador?
Speaker 2: That's how you might want to point that. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: Gary underscore as that draft and you'll.
Speaker 1: Become You find out who gets the first pick in
Speaker 1: the draft?
Speaker 2: Ye take that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, no Rhodes and Rhodes knows, Oh no, that was him.
Speaker 1: Gary Underscore, Philly Gil Can you make a convincing case
Speaker 1: for Dallas tonight other than seven? Is just too many points?
Speaker 2: I cannot. I can't. I really can't.
Speaker 1: Searching, searching, I cannot, no spinning, no stat logic sports.
Speaker 1: I was at the game at RFKN eighty nine when
Speaker 1: the Cowboys got their lone win of the season versus
Speaker 1: our beloved Washington Commando Skins. I will go nowhere near
Speaker 1: that minus ten line. Dude, I can't even like my
Speaker 1: DNA does not even allow me.
Speaker 2: To get there. That's amazing. Sly Bride.
Speaker 1: Jim Nantz is the consummate professional broadcaster. I appreciate him
Speaker 1: realizing quickly that his hyperbole was a bit much. I
Speaker 1: agree with you, Brian, he says. However, if Romo corrected
Speaker 1: his ridiculous hyperbole every time, they'd have to add two
Speaker 1: hours to each broadcast, and then Sean Sean the professor.
Speaker 1: Professor shines as crazy as it seems. Oh, he's right,
Speaker 1: he says. Aikman didn't start the only game Dallas one
Speaker 1: in eighty nine. John Johnson brought in Steve Walsh as
Speaker 1: a backup and he started in one thirteen to three.
Speaker 1: Cowboys were plus fourteen in that game. There were two
Speaker 1: touchdown dogs. The seven Skins closes a nine and a
Speaker 1: half point favorite Week fourteen that I do not remember.
Speaker 1: The eighty seven Skins ended up winning the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: That was a strike year where Joe Gibbs famously went
Speaker 1: three to zero using scabs.
Speaker 2: I helped Steve walshane Christmas decorations. Once. It's a really
Speaker 2: long story. Who don't have time for it? Is it? Really? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you always tell you more about the thirty seven Skins? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get to more water, guy, We got it. So
Speaker 1: what's next?
Speaker 2: We are into the late window four h five Eastern
Speaker 2: Broncos at Raiders.
Speaker 1: So so far, I don't really love anything like I like,
Speaker 1: But I don't love Broncos. As much as the Saints
Speaker 1: was a good pick yesterday, the Broncos was even better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that much. I did well.
Speaker 1: Denver just destroys the Falcons, just destroys them. The Falcons
Speaker 1: are the most fraudulent team in football. Broncos seventy yards
Speaker 1: opening drive Nix to Nate Atkins from twelve out, seven
Speaker 1: and nothing. Broncosku would kick a forty one yard field
Speaker 1: goal to make it seven to three, but then two
Speaker 1: drives later for the Broncos nine plays seventy seven yards
Speaker 1: Javante pushed in by his offensive lineman, fourteen yard touchdown
Speaker 1: run fourteen to three. Denver Knicks to Mims for thirty
Speaker 1: seven on third and ten from his own thirty three.
Speaker 1: The key play in that drive in the Big chunk
Speaker 1: fourteen to six Denver late second quarter Knicks to Devon
Speaker 1: Valet for thirty three. The large chunk leads to Knicks
Speaker 1: to Mims Junior twelve yard touchdown pass on third and goal,
Speaker 1: twenty one to six Broncos at halftime, bo Nicks was
Speaker 1: seventeen of nineteen for one to ninety two and two touches.
Speaker 1: Third quarter more of the same. Denver set up at
Speaker 1: the Atlanta forty five.
Speaker 2: Oh, did you see this?
Speaker 1: This play is neither here nor there. But just as
Speaker 1: football fans and football viewers and football betters, I want
Speaker 1: to bring this up. Denver's up twenty one to six
Speaker 1: in the third quarter. They're set up at the Atlanta
Speaker 1: forty five. After a Mims Junior thirty seven yard punt return.
Speaker 1: By the way, Marvin Mims Junior great weapon on the
Speaker 1: punt returns. It's fourth and two at the Atlanta thirty seven.
Speaker 1: Nicks goes to Lil Jordan Humphrey.
Speaker 2: Did you see this?
Speaker 1: It was originally the plays where it went to his hands.
Speaker 1: He gets hit immediately, ball comes out. Originally ruled incomplete.
Speaker 2: I did not. They go to they go to the booth.
Speaker 1: So everything we've been taught about what is and what
Speaker 1: is not a catch, this is not a catch because
Speaker 1: there was not a football move at all. Right, gosh,
Speaker 1: so it's incomplete. It's ruled incomplete on the field. They
Speaker 1: go to replay and they reverse it to a catch.
Speaker 2: Was he was he near the sideline or anything.
Speaker 1: No, And keep in mind, I'm on Denver, so this
Speaker 1: worked out for me great. But even I as someone
Speaker 1: who was this was a benefit to I was like,
Speaker 1: what are what am I watching?
Speaker 2: How is this? What are we doing? I've seen it.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've seen it over the past couple
Speaker 2: years a couple of times in the end zone where
Speaker 2: I don't really get it where it's like, okay, like
Speaker 2: as soon as they catch it, even smacked out right away,
Speaker 2: it's like, okay, as soon as he catches it, he's
Speaker 2: there and he's passed the goal line, so it's a touchdown.
Speaker 1: And let me clarify. So it was reverse to a
Speaker 1: catch a fumble and Denver recovered it. So the drive
Speaker 1: continued first and ten when it should have been an
Speaker 1: incomplete pass, and not only that, just so on the
Speaker 1: field itself, the fact that it was ruled incomplete was correct,
Speaker 1: but the fact that it went to replay was versus.
Speaker 1: The announcers couldn't believe it either couldn't believe it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then they overturned it, right, they overturned it. That's
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it. Six plays later, Knicks to Troy
Speaker 1: Franklin from seven out twenty eight to six. No need
Speaker 1: to go into the rest other than the Broncos win
Speaker 1: at thirty eight to six, knicks to Humphrey for forty
Speaker 1: one the last touchdown thirty eight to six. They destroy
Speaker 1: bo Nicks twenty eight of thirty three for three oh seven,
Speaker 1: four touchdowns, no picks, he was not sacked, a four
Speaker 1: hundred to two to twenty six advantage in total yards.
Speaker 1: So the no account Atlanta Falcons such a predictable Kirk
Speaker 1: Cousins performance. Oh I'm under pressure. I'm gonna stink.
Speaker 2: It's It's the only thing I would say about your
Speaker 2: Falcons take is I think they're a good team. There
Speaker 2: are problems though of what we thought they were preseason
Speaker 2: have just played out so much. Like the defense is
Speaker 2: so bad, and like you said, if he gets if
Speaker 2: Cousins gets pressure, it's a completely different offen.
Speaker 1: If he's not pressure at everyone slurps him exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, this is Denver at the at Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: You said, Yeah, Denver minus four and a half on
Speaker 1: the road, So this one's been moving a lot.
Speaker 2: We are out to five five, five and a half
Speaker 2: a lot of places.
Speaker 1: Wow, could you imagine telling us this preseason of this line,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a Week twelve line where bo Nix
Speaker 1: and the Broncos are going to be substantial road favorites.
Speaker 1: At the We wouldn't have known it, but the two
Speaker 1: and eight Raiders is what we would be. I mean
Speaker 1: if without knowing the records, if we had told if
Speaker 1: we had told ourselves that before the season, would have been like,
Speaker 1: there's no way. Not that I thought the Raiders were
Speaker 1: gonna be any good either, because I got an Antonio
Speaker 1: Pierce guy, but I would, like I said, Mike Tomlin
Speaker 1: never been more wrong about anything else, But I give
Speaker 1: him dap. Yeah, I dap him up. And I also
Speaker 1: dap ap Bo Nicks and Sean Payton because the in
Speaker 1: season improvement has been unbelievable and when you're wrong, you're wrong,
Speaker 1: and bo Nicks has been great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild. I don't know if I have any
Speaker 2: interest in betting this game.
Speaker 1: Though, No, I'm not gonna again. It's one of those
Speaker 1: things when we've gotten to the point of the season
Speaker 1: where it's like, do you really race to the window
Speaker 1: to bet this even though you perceive value?
Speaker 2: No unders interesting to me a little bit in this game.
Speaker 1: Both the Raiders defense isn't complete trash.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm offense. I don't trust so outside brought
Speaker 2: powers number two of them.
Speaker 1: About you're done with that sentence? I kept going, Okay,
Speaker 1: we still got more games to get to. Quite a
Speaker 1: few actually, including last night's game. I was awesome between
Speaker 1: the Chargers and the Bengals. Guessing lines for Week twelve.
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Speaker 1: the Book. Always appreciate the uh the feedback Cerebral Sammy
Speaker 1: at Sharp Sport plays I'm not sure if this is
Speaker 1: one hundred percent accurate, but for my research, it looks
Speaker 1: like Washington was in fact fourteen point favorites versus Dallas
Speaker 1: on November fifth, nineteen eighty nine. That's what Sean was saying,
Speaker 1: and it was in fact a Sunday night football game.
Speaker 1: Great memory, Gil, fantastic watch and listen.
Speaker 2: As always.
Speaker 1: Our buddy Carl Sack runs a site called Killer Sports
Speaker 1: that has all of this historical database team by team stuff.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I'm looking at the biggest spreads right now.
Speaker 2: Guess what the commanders have been doubled? Did double digit
Speaker 2: favorites against the Cowboys five times? Think you're at in
Speaker 2: Birch for sending this over to me? Did I did?
Speaker 2: Thank you, Aden Burke five times? Double digit? Actually we'll
Speaker 2: go four five, including this week four beforehand they have not.
Speaker 1: Covered a single one of those four since.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was we had eighty nine ninety ninety one
Speaker 2: and two thousand. Eighty nine ninety ninety one.
Speaker 1: In two thousand, two thousand was a Brad Johnson team.
Speaker 1: I believe eighty nine ninety ninety one in two thousand. Wow,
Speaker 1: there it is fifth time in modern history. Stringfellow Hawk, Oh,
Speaker 1: stringfellow Hawk who was nice enough to say hello to
Speaker 1: us a couple of weeks ago, right here outside of
Speaker 1: the studio on one of the crack days. He said
Speaker 1: a lifelong Giants fan doveto Jones luck who gives a damn.
Speaker 1: He says, already hate bet. He says, he already hate
Speaker 1: bet the bucks at minus four and a half. I
Speaker 1: love that, Yes the best, Uncle Bush. Gil Gil looks
Speaker 1: inside Antonio Pierce's apartment to ensure it is in fact
Speaker 1: completely vacant, then goes on ang in states I'm I'm
Speaker 1: not an Antonio Pierce guy.
Speaker 2: So true.
Speaker 1: I never worked up the courage to question him on
Speaker 1: his decisions in game. You're onto me, Uncle Bush.
Speaker 2: I was about to I don't want to say call
Speaker 2: you out, but say something. You have to be brought
Speaker 2: that up. I'm glad so but tweeted that in I
Speaker 2: just want I was going to confirm that he had
Speaker 2: moved down to your house.
Speaker 1: Very honest. I was very honest that I did not
Speaker 1: have the courage to say that, to question him on
Speaker 1: his in game decisions.
Speaker 2: But yes, that's such a great tweet.
Speaker 1: Goes to his apartment, make sure he's completely gone, then
Speaker 1: go off on him.
Speaker 2: Those thoughts were running through my mind when Gil brought
Speaker 2: that up. That's an A plus tweet. What's next?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: Four twenty five Eastern Big One in the NFC nine
Speaker 2: Ers at the.
Speaker 1: Packers, the five and five Niners, the seven and three Packers,
Speaker 1: the NFC West. By the way, speaking of the Niners,
Speaker 1: the Cardinals are six and four. Everybody else's five and five.
Speaker 1: Wild log jam jam three to zhering Seattle, San Francisco,
Speaker 1: second drive of the game, twelve play, seventy one yards
Speaker 1: perty in from ten seven to three nine ers seconds
Speaker 1: left in the first quarter. San Francisco next time they
Speaker 1: get the ball, second and five at their own twenty five.
Speaker 1: This is the thing with the Niners. They cannot have
Speaker 1: any sustained happiness in any of these games. Perty picked
Speaker 1: off a deflected pass by Jonathan Hawkins sets up the
Speaker 1: Seahawks of the Niners twenty nine. That leads to a
Speaker 1: Meers fifty seven yard field goal seven to six Niners.
Speaker 1: That would be the score at the half. Third quarter, Seattle,
Speaker 1: third and eight from their own seventeen Gino terrible pass
Speaker 1: right to Isaac Yadam of the Niners, hoping rounds in
Speaker 1: that right. San Francisco set up at the Seattle twenty seven,
Speaker 1: but they have to settle for a moody thirty three
Speaker 1: yarder that only makes it ten to six. Then Gino
Speaker 1: to DK for twenty six on third and twelve on
Speaker 1: the next drive that was the key play leads to
Speaker 1: an eleven place seventy yard drive Walker in from one,
Speaker 1: and these Seahawks lead at thirteen to ten. Niners answer
Speaker 1: fourteen plays, seventy yards Perty to Jennings from three out.
Speaker 1: Jennings on that drive alone four for forty two, seventeen
Speaker 1: thirteen nine Ers with nine thirty three left, then Seattle
Speaker 1: fourth and one. At midfield they go for it Walker
Speaker 1: for four, then Seattle with fourth in inches at the
Speaker 1: San Francisco thirty seven shar bone turned back by Jayir
Speaker 1: Brown and with three point fifty six left and this
Speaker 1: and the Niners up for it looks like, okay, the Niners,
Speaker 1: all you gotta do is milk this, milk the clock.
Speaker 2: It's all you gotta do.
Speaker 1: Fourth and six at the Seattle forty two, up four
Speaker 1: with two forty four left. What do you do? What
Speaker 1: do you do well? The Niners punted, Do you have
Speaker 1: a problem with that? Bosa is not in the game.
Speaker 2: He got hurt. Yeah, and they and they had had
Speaker 2: success since he left.
Speaker 1: Since he left, the Seahawks had already scored once without
Speaker 1: him in the game. They punted fourth and six there
Speaker 1: at the Seattle forty two with two forty four left.
Speaker 1: You get the six yards, you win the football game.
Speaker 2: They punted.
Speaker 1: Seattle has all three timeouts, by the way, They take
Speaker 1: over at their own twenty with two thirty eight left,
Speaker 1: with one timeout and two minutes and the two minute
Speaker 1: warning needing a touchdown. They go ten plays, sixty nine yards.
Speaker 1: Gino in from thirteen two plays after he hit a
Speaker 1: sixteen yard run, twenty to seventeen Seahawks, twelve seconds to go.
Speaker 2: Katie bar the door.
Speaker 1: Seahawks win it twenty to seventeen, two touchdowns after Bosa
Speaker 1: left the game. And that was that in San Francisco
Speaker 1: at at Levi Stadium there in Santa Clara.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you'd hate to play captain hindsight, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I would have gone for it.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing this is, you know, by the way,
Speaker 1: the top ten rankings, my goodness, my power rankings, they're
Speaker 1: in for.
Speaker 2: A big upreak, a big shake up this week.
Speaker 1: Because I think things are absolutely clear and undeniable at
Speaker 1: this point. But I will say this about the Niners
Speaker 1: because who is at Brian Shaffer, who's always like he's
Speaker 1: he like thinks I'm a Niners fan, which I'm not,
Speaker 1: but he's always like he hates that I have the
Speaker 1: Niners ranked as high as I do.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, I'm not at all at all.
Speaker 1: I'm not at all. You'd say that and you're laughing,
Speaker 1: but I'm not at all a Niners fan. I just
Speaker 1: think they're really I just thought last year they were great,
Speaker 1: but they are not.
Speaker 2: Most of your love has come from a betting perspective
Speaker 2: over the.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I have no love for that franchise none whatsoever.
Speaker 1: The Niners are a shell of what they were last year.
Speaker 1: They are never healthy at the same time, right, they
Speaker 1: haven't had one game this year where they've been full strength,
Speaker 1: and they may just by the way, that just may
Speaker 1: be their thing this year. They may never be fully healthy,
Speaker 1: and so at some point you are what you are, right.
Speaker 1: Purty always makes a player to every game, which are
Speaker 1: super impressive. But if it ain't McCaffrey, it's Bosa. Some
Speaker 1: of the guys who are on the field, like Debo don't.
Speaker 1: He looks like he's lost a step.
Speaker 2: In a half.
Speaker 1: I think that is very apparent this year, like a
Speaker 1: step and a half. He's not the same player, even
Speaker 1: though he's going after long snappers and kickers. Green Bay
Speaker 1: we talked about they beat the Bears with the block
Speaker 1: field goal attemp at the end. Jordan Love only completed
Speaker 1: thirteen forward passes yesterday, thirteen of seventeen for two sixty one,
Speaker 1: Christian Watson four for one fifty. Chicago, by the way,
Speaker 1: it was more Love for Caleb. Chicago was nine of
Speaker 1: sixteen on third down and three of three on fourth
Speaker 1: against that Packers defense. The Packers could not get Caleb
Speaker 1: Williams and the Bears off the field and still won
Speaker 1: the game.
Speaker 2: This is a tough line, I must say, green Bay
Speaker 2: minus three, Yeah, you are heavy. We are one and
Speaker 2: a half on this game. Ooh. Some respect for the Niners. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean they're still I mean, I mean they're still
Speaker 2: just rated so highly by everybody, and I these two
Speaker 2: teams at this point gil have become two of the
Speaker 2: toughest teams for me to figure out in the NFC,
Speaker 2: for sure, but possibly in the NFL, because I think
Speaker 2: they're I think the ceiling. I agree, either one of
Speaker 2: these teams could be winning a Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: Their A game is great. Their A game is great,
Speaker 1: but the Packers that game is great. We really haven't
Speaker 1: seen a great game for the Niners.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so, like, I think everything you just said
Speaker 2: is fair, But does it I don't. It doesn't take
Speaker 2: away my belief that they could be that good still
Speaker 2: this year because you're going to get you're going to
Speaker 2: get in theory, let you just laid out. They just
Speaker 2: keep having injuries at the wrong times right in theory
Speaker 2: outside of Ayuk though, they could be fully healthy at
Speaker 2: some point this year, and we've only seen two weeks
Speaker 2: of Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if McCaffrey is running fully confidently
Speaker 1: either those legs me too, I don't know that either.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting that's a I agree with what you said, though.
Speaker 1: They're two really tough teams to handicap on a week
Speaker 1: to week basis because you just don't know what you're
Speaker 1: getting necessarily.
Speaker 2: And I think the Packers the Packers. The biggest problem
Speaker 2: with them is I have very very little faith in
Speaker 2: their defense. Ever, so that makes it Kuff could.
Speaker 1: Not get the Bears off the Let's squeeze a couple more.
Speaker 2: Here, all right, Let's hit Cardinals at Seahawks.
Speaker 1: Six and four. Cardinals a one game lead over everybody
Speaker 1: else in the NFC West IDOL. This week at the Seahawks,
Speaker 1: we just talked about them beating the Niners. Gino was
Speaker 1: twenty five to thirty two for two twenty one four
Speaker 1: carries for twenty nine yards of that game winning touchdown.
Speaker 1: Smith and Jig but ten for one to ten. I
Speaker 1: will say Seattle will be a favorite, but by less
Speaker 1: than three. I will say minus two and a half.
Speaker 2: Okay, this has been bouncing around since it opened. I've
Speaker 2: got DraftKings with Arizona one point favorite. Now I see
Speaker 2: fan duel with the Seahawks is one and a half
Speaker 2: point favorites. And we've got a lot of pickups on.
Speaker 1: The ball to total coin flip game total coin flip.
Speaker 1: We talked about Green Bay and San Francisco not knowing
Speaker 1: that game too.
Speaker 2: See like this is another one that would go back
Speaker 2: like Atlanta. Yeah, you bring up Atlanta. I think it's
Speaker 2: just preseason problems that have played out the entirety of
Speaker 2: the season. I think Seattle's got the same issue, and
Speaker 2: Seattle could be good, except the offensive line has just
Speaker 2: been a disaster. Squeezing one more, squeezing one more. All right,
Speaker 2: let's go Sunday night Eagles at Rams.
Speaker 1: Eagles coming off the Thursday night went against the Commanders.
Speaker 1: See I said it uh four thirty five to two
Speaker 1: sixty four advantage in total yards of that game, Saquon
Speaker 1: was twenty six for one forty six and two touchdowns
Speaker 1: at the Rams, who staved off the Patriots yesterday. Stafford
Speaker 1: was eighteen for twenty seven for.
Speaker 2: Two ninety five.
Speaker 1: Nakua seven for one to twenty three in a touch
Speaker 1: cup six for one oh six and two touchdowns. Philly
Speaker 1: minus three and a half at the Rams.
Speaker 2: Opened up U split between two and a halves and
Speaker 2: threes were basically threes across the board.
Speaker 1: Now, well, interesting, Rams, another team?
Speaker 2: What are you getting from him every week?
Speaker 4: Co?
Speaker 2: Who are they? Are they good? Are they bad?
Speaker 1: What are they?
Speaker 2: I don't know? All right?
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Speaker 1: couple of tweets to close here Michael Burns reacting to
Speaker 1: your question, like, what I mean, why are they playing
Speaker 1: Drew lock Remember that with tom by the way, if
Speaker 1: you missed it, Tommy Devido getting the start for the
Speaker 1: Giants against the Buccaneers this coming Sunday was announced this morning,
Speaker 1: and he points out that money is the reason Locke
Speaker 1: isn't playing, plus tanking, he would assume, but he showed
Speaker 1: me a sport track thing about Drew Locke. He's got
Speaker 1: playing time incentives, passing incentives, team incentives, all of these,
Speaker 1: and perhaps the Giants don't want him to get a
Speaker 1: quarter of a million for seventy percent plus naps. So
Speaker 1: the more he plays, the more money he gets.
Speaker 2: That could be.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gotta be on season though, right right, Well,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, maybe they just don't want to He's
Speaker 1: not holding seventy of the snaps something he's not doing seventy,
Speaker 1: but he could do forty maybe forty, I guess, Brian
Speaker 1: m I see how it is. Washington loses and their
Speaker 1: commanders they win. It's the Skins or Commodes. It's true,
Speaker 1: Maybe it's true. Maybe I'm doing that all right? Uh,
Speaker 1: final game to get to I believe we had won
Speaker 1: more right.
Speaker 2: The Harball Bull Ravens at the Chargers.
Speaker 1: Harball Bowl, John versus Jim the seven and four Baltimore
Speaker 1: Ravens against these seven and three Chargers, Well, Baltimore. We
Speaker 1: talked about Lamar sixteen of thirty three and the loss
Speaker 1: of the Steels yesterday sixteen and thirty three for two
Speaker 1: oh seven, four carries for forty six and again John Harbaugh,
Speaker 1: John Harbaugh oh eleven and two zero eleven and two
Speaker 1: has three point favorites. Are more versus Pittsburgh. They were
Speaker 1: minus two in turnovers in that game. They had twelve
Speaker 1: penalties for eighty yards and two missed at Justin tucker
Speaker 1: Field goals otherwise known as Mike Tomlins magic Beans. And
Speaker 1: then there's the Chargers. Did you see this game last night?
Speaker 2: Did you stay up and watch this? I did. Yes,
Speaker 2: a tale of two half. I mean, like, was there
Speaker 2: a chunk in the middle where my attention was diverted elsewhere? Yes,
Speaker 2: there was Gill.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati the the third drive of the game. No, yes,
Speaker 1: third drive of the game, Cincinnati second drive. They get it.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati does to first and goal at the three incomplete
Speaker 1: illegal shift, intentional grounding. They have to settle for a
Speaker 1: McPherson twenty six yard field goal, three to nothing, and
Speaker 1: then the Chargers show in the first half began five
Speaker 1: play seventy yards Herbert to Disley for twenty nine seven
Speaker 1: to three Chargers three thirty four left first quarter. Then
Speaker 1: at seven to six, seven to six Chargers, four plays
Speaker 1: seventy one yards Herbert to Quentin Johnston from twenty six
Speaker 1: out fourteen to six Chargers eleven h two left second quarter.
Speaker 1: Next time they got the ball after a Cincinnati punt.
Speaker 1: Four plays, Oh, no, I already did that one. Nine
Speaker 1: plays sixty six yards, fourth and goal a half yard out.
Speaker 1: Dobbins leaps in twenty one to six Chargers four to
Speaker 1: thirty five left in the second quarter. Chargers would get
Speaker 1: a Dicker nineteen yard field goal to make it twenty
Speaker 1: four to six of the half on a sequence that
Speaker 1: was it was one of these where, like I don't
Speaker 1: like to question officiating and refereeing in an NFL football game,
Speaker 1: but there was a three play sequence where Hendrickson got
Speaker 1: incorrectly flagged for roughing the passer, Herbert doesn't get called
Speaker 1: for intentional grounding when it should have been, and Cincinnati
Speaker 1: got called for PI in the end zone when the
Speaker 1: receiver was probably out of bounds already. Yeah, they got
Speaker 1: a Dicker nineteen yard field goal at that point. Like,
Speaker 1: if you're a Cincinnati backer, you're like, what excuse me?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Can we play fairly here?
Speaker 2: Intentional grounding is gonna drive me insane. I overanalyze it
Speaker 2: on every possible situation that there is.
Speaker 1: That was about the biggest home cooking sequence of officiating
Speaker 1: I've ever seen in a football game anyway. Twenty four
Speaker 1: to six, and it's just all Chargers, right, Herbert's ten
Speaker 1: of fourteen for one to eighty three. It's a two
Speaker 1: seventy two one twenty six advantage in total yards of
Speaker 1: the half, and then the second half starts la immediately
Speaker 1: they trade three announced by the way, Oh what did
Speaker 1: I just do? They trade three and outs and Cincinnati.
Speaker 1: Then on their three and out, By the way, there
Speaker 1: was a no roughing the passer called also where Burrow
Speaker 1: gets knocked down to the ground and you're like, come on, like,
Speaker 1: let's be fair about this. Then Dicker fifty three yard
Speaker 1: field goal makes it twenty seven to six, So the
Speaker 1: Chargers are up three touchdowns with ten to twenty nine
Speaker 1: left in the third quarter, and in a span of
Speaker 1: less than a quarter of game time, here come the
Speaker 1: Bungles seventy yards. Burrow to Chase on fourth and goal
Speaker 1: from the four twenty seven to thirteen Chargers three and out,
Speaker 1: Cincinnati four plays fifty yards in one minute and thirty
Speaker 1: four seconds. Burrow to Higgins from forty two out on
Speaker 1: fourth and two from the forty two twenty seven to
Speaker 1: twenty Chargers two fifty three left in the third quarter.
Speaker 1: Then first play of the fourth quarter, Herbert runs hit
Speaker 1: by Mike Hilton, fumbles, Ginostone recovers it, Cincinnati gets it
Speaker 1: back seven plays, seventy one yards, Burrow directing traffic to
Speaker 1: Chase from seventeen out. We're tied at twenty seven twenty twelve,
Speaker 1: twenty one one left fourth quarter, and then the Bengals
Speaker 1: get the ball back tied McPherson forty eight yard field
Speaker 1: goal try wide left Chargers three and out again. Cincinnati
Speaker 1: takes over at their own twenty one with five twenty
Speaker 1: four left. Matriculate McPherson from.
Speaker 2: Fifty one no good, so then the charge. So this
Speaker 2: is a money.
Speaker 1: Inside the two minute warning, McPherson misses his second field goal. Okay,
Speaker 1: this is what happened inside the two minute warning. Macpherson
Speaker 1: miss is the second field goal. Chargers take over at
Speaker 1: their own forty one with one forty eight left. They
Speaker 1: have two timeouts. Hilton almost picks off the second down
Speaker 1: pass for a pick six. It's three and out. The
Speaker 1: Chargers have to punt. So we have a missed field
Speaker 1: goal and a punt so far inside the two minute warning.
Speaker 1: Cincinnati takes over at their own sixteen with one twenty
Speaker 1: six to go, two timeouts.
Speaker 2: They have to punt.
Speaker 1: No, no, like managing of the clock here, they have
Speaker 1: to punt the rare Tarigo even said it, the rare
Speaker 1: two punt within the rare two punt. Missed field goal
Speaker 1: inside the two minute warning situation, and so the Chargers
Speaker 1: take over at their own sixteen with forty five seconds
Speaker 1: left to McConkie for twenty eight, two plays later to
Speaker 1: McConkie for twenty seven. Lad McConkie, no relation of Phil mcconakie,
Speaker 1: Did you have that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: Then Dobbins from twenty nine out takes it all the
Speaker 1: way to the house touchdown with eighteen seconds to go. Yes,
Speaker 1: he should have slid, but I think if you're within
Speaker 1: twenty seconds, you just go in.
Speaker 2: Ooh. That was Yeah, it was tough because he was
Speaker 2: At first I thought he actually did the right thing
Speaker 2: because it looked like he was gonna topple out of bounds. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but then when they did the reverse angling, Nah, he
Speaker 2: had plenty of room to slide. I don't know.
Speaker 1: People were trying to kill him, but there's eighteen seconds left.
Speaker 1: What could possibly go wrong?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Cincinnati from their own thirty to Eoshabas for twenty seven,
Speaker 1: great catch to the Chargers forty three with ten seconds left,
Speaker 1: they go deep to chase and complete. Then Hail Mary
Speaker 1: knocked down at.
Speaker 2: The one ball game.
Speaker 1: Great knockdown charge thirty four Bengals twenty seven. The Chargers
Speaker 1: again go to seven and three. The Bengals slipped further
Speaker 1: out of playoff contention.
Speaker 2: Derwin James had to smack that. I think exactly like
Speaker 2: he did, because Higgins looked like he was like he
Speaker 2: could have had his hands on half that ball and
Speaker 2: it was going to be caught.
Speaker 1: People gonna hate on Zach Taylor for not milking the clock,
Speaker 1: but the Chargers had to punt too, and by the way,
Speaker 1: Macpherson missed not one, but two field goals, So let's
Speaker 1: relax on the Zach Taylor eight.
Speaker 2: Believe I counted it yesterday. Teams that I bet on, yeah,
Speaker 2: twenty points. Twenty points were left off the board because
Speaker 2: of field goals missed or extra points missed.
Speaker 1: The field goals missed yesterday was out of the blue.
Speaker 1: I was like, did somebody did somebody like shut off
Speaker 1: the field goal kicking power all of a sudden the
Speaker 1: same time, there was a moment crazy's kicking year that
Speaker 1: I can remember. Gil Oh, it's been the most amazing.
Speaker 2: Because what did we say so much at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the year.
Speaker 1: Nobody misses the field goals.
Speaker 2: It's a lot fifty plus fine.
Speaker 1: Teams were settling for fifty plus yard field goals to
Speaker 1: win games. At the end, they're like Harrison Bucker, sure
Speaker 1: kick a fifty one yardy, you'll make it win it.
Speaker 1: By the way, didn't work out for the uh for
Speaker 1: the Bears yesterday. But then remember there was a moment
Speaker 1: yesterday where we were talking about how Hopkins missed two
Speaker 1: chip shots in a row at the same time that
Speaker 1: Joshua Cardy missed a chip shot for the Rams at
Speaker 1: the end of the second quarter. Like it's happened at
Speaker 1: the same time, Like, what is going on anyway? Baltimore
Speaker 1: at the Chargers, I said, Baltimore minus four, John minus
Speaker 1: four over Jim, this is Ravens two. Give me the Ravens.
Speaker 1: That's I'd like that better than anything we've done today.
Speaker 2: We're up to three, not as much it was to
Speaker 2: this morning. It's threes across the port.
Speaker 1: Now, that's how much I liked it.
Speaker 2: I already moved God bless it. Now.
Speaker 1: Could that have been under three? Give me a break.
Speaker 2: I was kind of surprised too. I actually think it.
Speaker 2: I think it opened three and then went Dad got
Speaker 2: bent down, and then back to three.
Speaker 1: The Chargers have still beaten absolutely nobody.
Speaker 2: Nobody no that game last night. It would have been
Speaker 2: nice if they were kind of doing it at the
Speaker 2: same time as much I rip on both these guys,
Speaker 2: both these teams. Sometimes it's tough to have better quarterback
Speaker 2: situations than Burrow and Herbert. For as many problems as
Speaker 2: you got on the rest of those.
Speaker 1: Teams, they are fantastic.
Speaker 2: You got some great cause.
Speaker 1: Matt Brown's line that the drafting of Burrow and Herbert,
Speaker 1: he used to say this on Primetime Action all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm sure he still says it. He loves Burrow because
Speaker 1: he's an LSU guy, but justifiably so. But he said,
Speaker 1: like the drafting of Burrow and Herbert and their subsequent
Speaker 1: success has ruined our perceptions of what drafting quarterbacks aboy
Speaker 1: is