1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,720 Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you're listening to Here's the 2 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Thing from My Heart Radio. It takes real comedic chops 3 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: to play the woman starring opposite Larry David for eleven 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: seasons on the cringe worthy meta hit Curb Your Enthusiasm 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: My Guest Today, Actress, director and producer Cheryl Hines plays 6 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: the cantankerous comedian's wife with the improv skills and killer 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: timing that have earned her two Emmy nominations for the role. 8 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 1: As an actress, Hynes is known for her memorable turns 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: in the critically acclaimed film Waitress, the sitcom Suburgatory, and 10 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,280 Speaker 1: most recently on HBO's The Flight Attendant. She's also brought 11 00:00:49,280 --> 00:00:53,920 Speaker 1: her talents behind the scenes, producing the Oxygen series Campus 12 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: Ladies and directing the film Serious Moonlight starring Meg Ryan 13 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: and Timothy Hutton. Hines is now also a member of 14 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: one of America's most well known and respected families. She 15 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: married her husband, Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. In two thousand fourteen. 16 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:15,680 Speaker 1: With Hines starring as Cheryl David for two decades and counting, 17 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to know how she got her start in acting. Well, 18 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: I mean I did commercials when I was young in Florida, 19 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: and then I went to University of Central Florida and 20 00:01:30,560 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 1: this is how old I am. Okay, my senior year there, 21 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: that's when Universal Studio is open. So they did like 22 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: a big casting call, like over a thousand actors showed 23 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,759 Speaker 1: up because all these kids wanted to, you know, work 24 00:01:46,840 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: there and get a job as an actor because they 25 00:01:49,760 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: had different shows. And so I got hired. And I 26 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:57,240 Speaker 1: mean so yes, I was getting paid to act if 27 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 1: you consider that professional. I tell everybody who starts out 28 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: when they come to me and say like, oh, what 29 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: do you do? You know they always want to work 30 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,360 Speaker 1: that angle? What do you do to make it? How 31 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: do I get an agent? All that bullshit. My feeling 32 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: about that is you do anything. I don't have any pride, 33 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: don't have any pride. Just I was doing a soap 34 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:20,959 Speaker 1: opera in New York, my first job. And while I 35 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: was doing the soap opera, I still went down. This 36 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: is pre internet, of course, when dinosaurs roamed the earth, 37 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:28,800 Speaker 1: and you go down and we go to the n 38 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: y U Film School bulletin board where they had a 39 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:36,120 Speaker 1: casting section and they'd say, you know, call Frank, called 40 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: Joe Cole Susie. We're making a movie and they're shooting 41 00:02:40,560 --> 00:02:42,919 Speaker 1: in a bar that they've closed down for like all 42 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 1: Saturday day and night. We're gonna shot the whole thing 43 00:02:44,880 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: in one night. Student film. I go down, I do 44 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 1: the film. But my point is that I would do 45 00:02:50,680 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: the show, and then I went down and I do 46 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: I did uh a showcase theater. On the weekends, we 47 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: rehearse at night. I finished the show. We finished taping 48 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: at three o'clock. Every afternoon was a half hour run 49 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 1: downtown Van Dam Theater. Do a play Thursday, Friday, Saturday night. 50 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: My point is, I said to people, say yes to anything. Yeah, 51 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:10,040 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. You gotta put it out there. You 52 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:13,280 Speaker 1: gotta put it out there the way. Oh definitely. I 53 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: mean when I first moved to l A, I mean 54 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: I didn't have an agent. I didn't you know, I 55 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: was bartending. But I would audition for a lot of 56 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:25,960 Speaker 1: student films. I would audition for everything because somebody had 57 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: advised me to, you know, they were like, you'll get 58 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: better at auditioning the more auditions you go to. And 59 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: of course at the time, I felt like, well that's 60 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 1: so mean to the productions, to audition for something that 61 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 1: I probably couldn't even do if I got casts. But 62 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about that part um. I 63 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: did audition for student films because I knew that I 64 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: would get experience. It was good experience to audition for that, 65 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: and that those filmmakers are gonna, if they're good, go 66 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: on to make other films. Right, So everybody has to 67 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: start somewhere. You're standing there one day at a barbecue 68 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: and somebody standing next to you and you're like, and 69 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: this is before history rights itself, and you're like, what's 70 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: your name? That guys like David David O. Russell And 71 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: you're like, oh, could you pass me the mustard? What 72 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: are you working on? I mean like you're there in 73 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:20,080 Speaker 1: the infancy of someone's career and they remember you. They 74 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: you came to l A when you were how old? 75 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: I was twenty five, and so you stayed there beyond college? 76 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 1: You stayed in Florida. No, New York. No. I didn't 77 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: go to New York. No. I just went from Florida 78 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,039 Speaker 1: to l A because I knew two people in l A. 79 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know anybody in New York. Who in l A? 80 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: Did you know? I? Knew. There was a screenwriter named 81 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: Mike France who has passed away sadly. But he wrote 82 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: Golden I, one of the Bond movies. But but his family, 83 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: My family grew up together in winter Haven, Florida, so 84 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,160 Speaker 1: I knew him although he was a friend of my brothers. Well, 85 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: you know, you grow up and you're like, oh, we're 86 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: kind of the same age and you're cute. But he 87 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: was living out here. And then I had a friend 88 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: from high school named Paul Beckett, and he lived out 89 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:17,240 Speaker 1: here too, and he was a professional background actor, not 90 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: an amateur background power. It was his full time. He 91 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: was a professional background actor. Yes, Now, when you came here, 92 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:30,360 Speaker 1: what year was that? A late eighties? When you get 93 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: out there, what's the vibe? Well, so when I first 94 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: came out here, I like, you're saying, do anything, like, 95 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: do everything anything to try to you know, as they 96 00:05:44,320 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: say in football, move the chains. Right. So there was 97 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: a woman and I won't even remember her name. Her 98 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: first name was Melissa, but I think I saw an 99 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: ad for a quote unquote intern. And I only say 100 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,080 Speaker 1: quote unquote because I wasn't even in school. But it 101 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: was just another way of saying we're not going to 102 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 1: pay you, but I would love for someone to come 103 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: work in my office. So I did, and I you know, 104 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: helped like go through headg shots and this and that. 105 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 1: And one day she she looked at me and she 106 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: was like, you're attractive. You should do okay, but you 107 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 1: should get a boob job. And I was like wow 108 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,720 Speaker 1: when she had to do the card, her Husbane's card, Yeah, 109 00:06:22,760 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: and it's I'm going to cost you. Um so describe 110 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: winter Haven. I mean with them saying the girl from 111 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:33,160 Speaker 1: winter Haven is everybody complete and no one's telling you 112 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: you need to have a boob job in winter Haven. 113 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 1: Only when you get to l A. But when you 114 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 1: were home and growing up there was he just very 115 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,880 Speaker 1: ordinary and all Americans. Well, so I went to from 116 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 1: winter Haven, I went to Tallahassee. That's in Tallahassee. That's 117 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 1: where I went to went to middle school in high school. 118 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: So yes, all American and conservative in Tallahassee. So you know, 119 00:06:56,680 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: guys wore khakis and polo shirt. All the guys look 120 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: like football coaches. Your husband. By the way, I had 121 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: at one point it was like you cannot wear khaki 122 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:16,119 Speaker 1: pleaded khaki's like you can't, so he has left them behind. 123 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 1: But yeah, and then the girls. You know, it was 124 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: really it was really pretty like I don't want to 125 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: say average, that's but but like group think, you know 126 00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,360 Speaker 1: what I mean, it's like traditional traditional, that's the word. 127 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:34,000 Speaker 1: So no, nobody was really that, you know, it wasn't. 128 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 1: I didn't know one person who had a breast augmentation 129 00:07:39,080 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: when I was in high school. But when I was 130 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: in l A in the beginning, I actually heard someone 131 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: say to someone an actress told me that the guy 132 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: or the woman that that that hinted to them that 133 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: they should have their boobs done. The person that said 134 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 1: this to my friend said, don't you understand? He said, 135 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: this is a sign of how beautiful you are. And 136 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: when you when you, when you, when you have your 137 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 1: boobs done, you're gonna be right there. You're gonna be 138 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: We're gonna sell you, and you're gonna do so many 139 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: commercials movies like there are women who we could give 140 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 1: them a boo job, and it's really not going to 141 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: make a difference, he said, They're not gonna they're not 142 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: going to be hirable, expect much like oh God, what's 143 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: your name? Let me write that down to send it 144 00:08:22,960 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: to my lawyer. It's weird. It's weird. It was interesting 145 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: because at that time I hadn't even thought about it, 146 00:08:31,600 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: and it did not seem like it was necessary. But 147 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 1: what you know, I went home and I started thinking 148 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: about all the actors, actresses that I really looked up 149 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 1: to that I felt like, Goldie Hawn doesn't have big ones, 150 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: you know what. I started thinking of all the actresses 151 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: that I really admired, and did breast size have anything 152 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: to do with it? And I thought, oh, no, I 153 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: don't think those are the parts I'm like going for. 154 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not dying to be on Baywatch, you 155 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:05,400 Speaker 1: know what I mean. So it was sort of that 156 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: when I first got here and then I started I 157 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: started studying and performing at some point at the Groundlings 158 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:17,080 Speaker 1: Theater in West Hollywood, which was all improv and in 159 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:23,720 Speaker 1: sketch comedy, and you know, I didn't really experience too 160 00:09:23,800 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: much of the harassment. Yeah, definitely, not not any harassment. 161 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:33,440 Speaker 1: But even like guys have it easier than girls, like 162 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: at the Groundlings, my experience wasn't that much more democratic. 163 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: The Yeah, I've been so fortunate because I haven't really 164 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 1: felt that in a sense, you know. And then when 165 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:51,640 Speaker 1: I I directed a little independent film a while ago, 166 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: but that was the question, and it was was to 167 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: like probably fourteen years ago or something. It was like, wow, 168 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 1: you're a female director. That's crazy. And I was like 169 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 1: it is. They're like, yeah, like never even. It was 170 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 1: just so crazy to them, and I was like, oh, 171 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,319 Speaker 1: I I guess it is. I never thought about it. 172 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: Now for some reason, you have omitted, as we're kind 173 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: of doing, or rather semi chronological stroll down the path here, 174 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: that how did you get to become an assistant for 175 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: Rob Reiner? Well, so I was. I was working as 176 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:38,640 Speaker 1: a bartender in a hotel downtown at the Intercontinental Hotel. 177 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,319 Speaker 1: I don't even know if it's still there. So I 178 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: was bartending and one of my friends, I had a 179 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: friend who was working for or heard that Rob Reiner 180 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:54,480 Speaker 1: was turning fifty and they needed an extra assistant to 181 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: help put the party together. And they thought of me, 182 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: and she said, you know, do you want to go 183 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: meet them and see? You know, it's a temporary job. 184 00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: You can do it during the day and then still 185 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: barton at night, which is what I did. And I 186 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: really loved Rob and Michelle writer and at some point 187 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: they offered me a full time job. And how long 188 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: did that last? Probably two years, two and a half 189 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: years years. I worked with Rob who had the great 190 00:11:26,679 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: line once we did the movie Goes to Mississippi and Yeah. 191 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: He came up to me and he said, uh, he said, 192 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,839 Speaker 1: do me a favor. He said, we don't want to 193 00:11:34,880 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: put a camera in the top in the back of 194 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 1: the stage in the on the ceiling and shoot down 195 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 1: like a big overhead master. And he said, is that 196 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: a right with you? Do you mind doing it again? 197 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,360 Speaker 1: I have like a three page moneologue. I said yeah, 198 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: I said, gonna be shot it and covered. And I go, yeah, right, 199 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: you've got a good piece of material. You never get 200 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,760 Speaker 1: tired of doing it because you know the next movie 201 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 1: you're gonna do, you're gonna have one line of day 202 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: and that line is going to be get down, Everybody, 203 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: get down. So when you have good material, you'll do 204 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: it again and again and again. I want to talk 205 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: to you about directing a movie. You did the movie 206 00:12:11,160 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: with Meg I did, I did. I did a film 207 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: called Serious Moonlight. Meg Ryan and Timothy Hutton, Kristen Bell 208 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 1: and Justin Long they and they were all really great 209 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:27,240 Speaker 1: and that film. You know, it was a complicated sort 210 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: of moment in time because I had just done that 211 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: the movie Waitress. I was in the movie Waitress as 212 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: an actress, and Adrian Shelley had written and directed and 213 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 1: was in Waitress. It's part of the Adrian Shelly story. Yeah, 214 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:48,280 Speaker 1: And so before Waitress came out, tragically, Adrian was killed 215 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: in New York City, and then Waitress premiered in uh 216 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: Sundance and without Adrian, and it was, you know, it 217 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: was very bittersweet because that film is so it's a 218 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: little bit magical and people really fell in love with it. 219 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 1: And Adrian had written this script Serious Moonlight. And Andy Oustroy, 220 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: who was married to Adrian, called me after Waitress and 221 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: right after Adrian had been killed and said, you know, 222 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 1: I want to produce this film that Adrian wrote, and 223 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,800 Speaker 1: I I want you to consider directing it because I 224 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: think you would get the tone of it. And at 225 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 1: that time I was like, are you talking to me? 226 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait a second, what what do you ask? 227 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: What are we talking about? Because I had what didn't 228 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: even wasn't even thinking about directing a film. You know, 229 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 1: I had directed some television, but not a film, and Uh, 230 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:51,479 Speaker 1: what television did you direct? Well? I directed Curb before them, No, no, 231 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: nobody have since no. I had produced and and I 232 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:00,680 Speaker 1: helped create a show called Campus Ladies that was about 233 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,720 Speaker 1: these two uh middle aged ladies that go to college 234 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: for the first time and live in a freshman door 235 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: in a triple with a nineteen year old girl who's like, 236 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:13,079 Speaker 1: oh my god, I cannot live with you two actually, 237 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: and Jonah Hill played the r A. So I like 238 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: to think that I gave him his first job, which 239 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: is true. So I I directed a few episodes of that, 240 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: but it was really fun. So I had to sort 241 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,680 Speaker 1: of search my soul and figure out is this something 242 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: that I should do? I can do? And then I 243 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: talked to my director friends like Barry Sonnenfeld and and 244 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: they all said, yeah, you should just do it. Like 245 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 1: nobody can tell you. You can't even tell somebody what's 246 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: going to happen when they direct. It's something that you 247 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: have to experience. We can't even tell you what you're 248 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: going to go through. But just go for it. Do it, 249 00:14:54,200 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: you know, call me if there was a problem, call 250 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: me with questions, which is what I did, and we 251 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: shot in uh fifteen days, I think fifteen days and 252 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: uh yeah, and then Meg said yes to the script 253 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 1: and Timothy Hutton and I mean it was it was 254 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: a it was a great and terrifying and stressful experience 255 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: when you went to the Groundlings. Who was your teacher? 256 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: My first teacher there was Lisa Kudrow. Isn't that amazing? 257 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: It's so amazing. And the reason I went to the Groundlings, 258 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: like I was saying, is I met Phil Hartman's sister 259 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: at the bar of the Intercontinental Hotel and she was like, 260 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:41,400 Speaker 1: that's where my brother got to start. And I said, 261 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,200 Speaker 1: oh my god, I've got to go to this theater 262 00:15:43,240 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: and see what it's about. And when I went, I 263 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: fell in love with it. I couldn't believe what they 264 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: were doing on that stage. But I had no money. 265 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: I didn't even have a refrigerator at this point because 266 00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: I didn't know apartments didn't come with the refrigerators. But 267 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 1: all I did was talking about the Groundlings, and that's 268 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: really what I where I wanted to go, you know, study. 269 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: And so on my birthday, all the regulars and the 270 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 1: Wade staff Chip did and paid for my first Groundlings class, 271 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 1: and then my teacher was Lisa Kudro, actor and producer 272 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:24,239 Speaker 1: Cheryl Hines. If you enjoy conversations with funny and insightful actresses, 273 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: check out my episode with Kristen Bell and the moment 274 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: I said, you know what, I have a thing and 275 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: it's a quirky, weird, funny, bubbly fun thing that's can 276 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: be snarky and I love doing it. I do it 277 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: pretty well. Why not lean into it? And that is 278 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: when I felt like I started becoming happier, when I 279 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: stopped trying to be in everyone else's category. To hear 280 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: more of my conversation with Kristen Bell, go to Here's 281 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: the Thing dot Org. After the break, Cheryl Hine shares 282 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 1: what it's like to direct the One and Only Larry David. 283 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: I'm Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here is 284 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:15,040 Speaker 1: the Thing. When Cheryl Hines was first introduced to Larry 285 00:17:15,119 --> 00:17:19,119 Speaker 1: David during her Curb Your Enthusiasm audition, the actress had 286 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,360 Speaker 1: no idea if she was about to encounter John Cassavetti's 287 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: Howie Mandel with a funny dweeb from chemistry class. I 288 00:17:27,600 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 1: didn't even know what he looked like, and at that 289 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: time I was still working for Rob Reiner, and Rob 290 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:38,040 Speaker 1: and Larry know each other. And I knew that they 291 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: know each other because because because Sel was a Castle Rock. Yeah, 292 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: but at that time I was auditioning for a lot 293 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: of stuff. My agent called and said they were looking 294 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: for an unknown actress to play Larry David's wife and 295 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: it's all going to be improvised. I said, well, how 296 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 1: old is that guy? Isn't he old? And my agent, 297 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: who my agent at the time, was not a great agent. 298 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: If you're listening, you know who you are, um, but 299 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: he was like because he was like, look, you're probably 300 00:18:15,640 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: not going to get this part. Just go have a 301 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: good audition. Then maybe there's something else for you in 302 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:24,919 Speaker 1: the show. And I was like, thank you, Okay, So 303 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: that's what I did. I just I didn't know what 304 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,159 Speaker 1: he looked like. I didn't know anything about him, about Larry. 305 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: And when I was walking down the hallway to audition, 306 00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: the casting director said, don't touch Larry. He doesn't like 307 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: for people to touch him. I was like, okay, and 308 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: they said, uh, you know, it's supposed to sort of 309 00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: feel like a documentary, so up at any point it 310 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,919 Speaker 1: feels fake or false, the audition will be over. I 311 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: was like, Okay. They were like in here's Larry, there's 312 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,080 Speaker 1: this is a mine field, and there's some minds on 313 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: the floor that will blow up your whole audition. To 314 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 1: make sure you don't step on them. Right, they're out 315 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: there somewhere. Did they really say that to you? I mean, 316 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:12,520 Speaker 1: and actually it was good advice because you know, because 317 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 1: because curb your enthusiasm is all improvised. So I've been 318 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: in the room to improvise with other actors that come 319 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: into audition for our show. And when you're improvising and 320 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,360 Speaker 1: you know this, like you have to make decisions quickly, 321 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 1: and you have to you how to do yeah, and 322 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: you have to assume a relationship in an improv you 323 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: just do otherwise it's too strangers, you know, yes, and 324 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 1: we say yes. So if you're improvising with someone, your inclination, 325 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,879 Speaker 1: especially if your husband and wife, might be to touch 326 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: the other person. So, knowing what I know now about Larry, yeah, 327 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:55,640 Speaker 1: don't touch him. He doesn't want to. He doesn't want 328 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: twenty strangers touching him, even if it's in an audition 329 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: for his show, right, even it might improve the audition. Yeah, 330 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't want that, is he still that way. He 331 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: still got that, uh how a Mandel thing. Don't touch me? Yes, 332 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: that thing too, your elbow fispum, no touching, don't touch me. Yeah. 333 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 1: I never would have guessed that about Larry. I didn't 334 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: know that about Larry. What I only one time had 335 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,919 Speaker 1: an opportunity. They were just like a brief discussion of 336 00:20:26,960 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: me doing the show, and I guess it was I 337 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 1: want to guess that it was McEnroe did the show. 338 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 1: I was going to play myself and Larry and I 339 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: share a limo from l a X coming into town 340 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: and they said to me that here's the idea. And 341 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: I thought, uh, oh great, and we couldn't work it 342 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 1: out dates wise or whatever, and uh he never called 343 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 1: me again. It never asked me again. And uh, but 344 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: I was asked to do the show. I think the 345 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: person that played the part I was supposed to play 346 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: was McEnroe. So when you do the show now, the 347 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: show has been obviously over twenty years. Yes, so you've 348 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 1: been in and around these people for twenty years now. 349 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 1: I know that when I did a show, and I 350 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,240 Speaker 1: and I love the people, there was like a handful, 351 00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: not many certainly, who I never wanted it to end. 352 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 1: I never tired of being around them. When Curb is over, 353 00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:17,199 Speaker 1: have you had enough of Curb and you're ready to 354 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:18,919 Speaker 1: take a break. And that is a put down of anybody, 355 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: But it's like, there's a thing where you've done this 356 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: for so long now, No, you like when you have 357 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: a break. No, you can do fifty two shows a year. 358 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: We'll see. That's the thing too, because up for a 359 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 1: season for us is ten episodes, so and then we 360 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: do it like every other year or something. But I 361 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: have the same sort of feelings about Larry. I mean 362 00:21:41,880 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, when you're in high school 363 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: and you're you have a chemistry lab class and they 364 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,080 Speaker 1: pair you up with somebody random and you're like, oh 365 00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 1: my god, I'm stuck with this guy. Um, and then 366 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: you realize, oh my god, this is the smartest, funniest 367 00:21:57,480 --> 00:22:01,040 Speaker 1: guy I've ever met in my entire life. Um. And 368 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: you you know, you love going to class every day 369 00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: because the two of you make things explode. And that's 370 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 1: how I feel about Larry. I mean, I feel like 371 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: in all of them. I mean, I love Susie, I 372 00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: love jaff Richard Lewis. It's like I just I could 373 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 1: do it every day, all day for the rest of 374 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: my life. I watched that show, and I mean people, 375 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: you know, the great gift of that show is that 376 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,239 Speaker 1: you gotta have people who can deliver a line. You know, 377 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: Susie Essman, you gotta have that woman was how to 378 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 1: deliver a line. She's like, she's like the Olivier of vulgarity, 379 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And I think to myself, 380 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: is Larry somebody who does he want to bring in 381 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: new people? Does he want to try new people, Let's 382 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: write new characters, let's freshen up. Or is he one 383 00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: of those guys where I got a company of actors 384 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: and I like them and I want to work with them. 385 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: I like what I'm gonna stick with what I have. 386 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: He's a combination. It's always been odd to me that 387 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: we have actors, famous people who play a version of themselves, 388 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 1: and then we also have famous people who play a character. 389 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: Like Vince Vaughn has been playing a character, so it's 390 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: it's funny, but he it really is uh story driven, 391 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,840 Speaker 1: so he he comes up with the ideas. Larry comes 392 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: up with the ideas, and Jeff Schafers is really amazing 393 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. So they come up with ideas for 394 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: the shows and then they take it from there. But 395 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: you know, I think he likes to cast people that 396 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: he knows. But also you know the casting. They've casted 397 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 1: a lot of people casted. Is that a word they've cast? 398 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: I think the past tense of cast is cast. Even 399 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 1: when you say it wrong, Sherrott sounds great. Well when 400 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,120 Speaker 1: they cast, when you blow the line, it's fantastic. So yeah, 401 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a combination, is what I'm trying to 402 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: say now. Speaking of casting, I am of the belief 403 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: that for the core, they're real central characters, not the 404 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: guests that come and go or recurrings. And so for that, 405 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,400 Speaker 1: I did thirty Rock, and I fully believe that if 406 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:11,719 Speaker 1: one of those people was different, we might not have 407 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,640 Speaker 1: made it. Chemistry is the word, obviously, and there's a chemistry, 408 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: and we did we talk about the chemistry because on 409 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: thirty Rock, I really believe it had to be Tina 410 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,800 Speaker 1: and Jack and Tracy and h Jane Krokowski, and if 411 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:25,600 Speaker 1: they put somebody else in there, it would not have 412 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:29,280 Speaker 1: been it might not have worked. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I 413 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: mean I do feel the same way. You know, Curb 414 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: is such a different show because because there's no script 415 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: and there's there it's it's not like you know, I've 416 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,679 Speaker 1: done other um, I've done other shows where there are 417 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,080 Speaker 1: scripts and there's a table read and everybody laughs at 418 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:51,439 Speaker 1: the funny lines, and so you kind of get an 419 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: idea of that if this is working or if it's not. 420 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: But on Curb there's no table read because there's no script. 421 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: There's no you know, there's no audience camera. You know, 422 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: crew is in a different room and you're just sitting 423 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: in a living room talking. So at the beginning, it 424 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: was really hard to know. Before it aired, I had 425 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: no idea if like people would how people respond to it. 426 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: How many takes do you get a lot of takes 427 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,199 Speaker 1: or no. He likes to move on. He likes to 428 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: move on. If it's just if it's just being Larry, 429 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,719 Speaker 1: we've done it in two takes. You know, if there 430 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 1: are more people or if it's more involved, then you 431 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: have to cover. But but because it's improvised, there's always 432 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:44,680 Speaker 1: a camera on Larry and a camera over Larry to 433 00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: whomever he's he's the Jackie Gleason of the show. Yeah, 434 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 1: so you know, no two takes are the same. So 435 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: if you get a take. If he gets a take 436 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,160 Speaker 1: that he likes, he'll be like, yeah, let's move on. 437 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: What was it like to direct him. It was kind 438 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:06,200 Speaker 1: of hilarious because it was a real fifty fifty crap shoot. 439 00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: Like I would go in and say, this time, when 440 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,480 Speaker 1: you see j B, maybe you're less angry and a 441 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:14,360 Speaker 1: little and he was like, no, I don't think so. 442 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:20,399 Speaker 1: And then sometimes I'll say, look, you just chipped your tooth, 443 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:24,080 Speaker 1: you know, babe, Let's see your reaction to that. And 444 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,640 Speaker 1: he's like, okay, I'll do that. So it was real. 445 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: You kind of never knew what you were going to get. 446 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: I had a famous director once who he said to me, uh, 447 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: let's do it again and just take everything off of it. 448 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:40,440 Speaker 1: I go, oh really, He goes, yeah, I feel like 449 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,120 Speaker 1: you're kind of putting something on it. It's like it's 450 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 1: too much. I go really. He goes, yeah, not not 451 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: not a great deal, but it's a little bit. Goes, 452 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:50,360 Speaker 1: just take a little bit off of I go, okay, okay, 453 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: I go and I do it again. I do exactly 454 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 1: what I did the time, and he goes, let's do 455 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 1: it again, and uh really, just trying to take a 456 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: little bit more off of it. Just try it again 457 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: if you can, and just take a little bit more, 458 00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 1: because I really feel like there's still You're like doing 459 00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 1: something like the guy. And in my mind, I'm thinking 460 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 1: the character is a performer, the character is trying to 461 00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: charm people, the character is a movie star. And he goes, 462 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: do it again. I go, okay, watch this, I said, 463 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 1: you watch this, I'm gonna I'm gonna take it off. 464 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: I go back out there and do exactly saying and 465 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,679 Speaker 1: I come off the set and he goes, okay, just 466 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: really really just try to take everything off. Don't don't, 467 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: don't do anything, just say the lines and just throw 468 00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 1: it away. And I go, you got it. I said, 469 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: you got I'm sort of sorry, and I said, I said, 470 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: you watch somebody really really get it. I'm gonna take 471 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:39,359 Speaker 1: everything off it. And I go out and I do 472 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: the exact same fucking thing again, and he said to 473 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: He goes, okay, let's move on like you. We're not 474 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: going to get wed another time to waste here. That 475 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 1: is the thing about directing. You learn quickly, like you 476 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 1: can't make somebody do something. Actor director Cheryl hines, if 477 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: you're enjoying this conversation. Tell a friend and be sure 478 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: to follow Here's the Thing on the I Heart Radio app, 479 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:12,240 Speaker 1: Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts. When we come back, 480 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,919 Speaker 1: Cheryl Hynes tells us how marrying a Kennedy has changed her. 481 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,960 Speaker 1: H I'm Alec Baldwin and you were listening to Here's 482 00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: the Thing. Cheryl Hynes has spent eleven seasons on the 483 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: Emmy winning Curb Your Enthusiasm, during which she has seen 484 00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:47,000 Speaker 1: an endless parade of talented guest stars. I was curious 485 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:51,120 Speaker 1: who made her list of favorite appearances. There was a 486 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: time when we were shooting in New York when Larry 487 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: did the Producers on Broadway. So we were all in 488 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:02,640 Speaker 1: one trailer off Broadway, and uh, during lunch, We're all 489 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: sitting there with our little paper plates on our laps, 490 00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: and David Swimmer was there because he was also in it. 491 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:12,880 Speaker 1: Mel Brooks was there, Larry, and then Jerry Seinfeld was 492 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: just walking by and he was there, and we're just 493 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: hanging out eating lunch, and then and Bancroft came in 494 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: to change in the other little tiny room in the back. 495 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,000 Speaker 1: But you know, we did, we did, like the sign 496 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 1: Feld reunion one year and that was amazing. And then 497 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 1: like Tracy Ullman, you know, I mean to be able 498 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: to work with her, was this has been just been 499 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: one after another. And Dustin Hoffman, I mean you name it. Oh. 500 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: And then Martin Scorsese that was fun. And Marty as 501 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,720 Speaker 1: we call him right um, he was doing this scene 502 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: with Larry and he's playing Martin Scorsese in the show 503 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: and Larry, you know, being a asshole to him like 504 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: let me do this, let me do that, and uh. 505 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:08,479 Speaker 1: In between takes, I would up to Barty and I 506 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: was like, no, actor, whatever, talk to you like that 507 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,000 Speaker 1: in real life. And he was like, you'd be surprised, 508 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 1: you'd be amazed. You wouldn't believe what actors say to me. 509 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,280 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know, but if you give 510 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: an actor a note, they're not like saying bad to you. 511 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: And he's like, you would be talked like I know, 512 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,640 Speaker 1: So it's departed with him, and he was like that guy, 513 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: that guy right there, that guy right there, that guy 514 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: right there, that guy right there on the screen, that 515 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: guy right there in the green shirt, that guy right there. 516 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: Go yeah, he goes. But he funked up, right, did 517 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: he sunk up? Did he sunk up? He sucked up? Right? 518 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: Did he suck up? I go, yeah, he sucked up? 519 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: Because how do you feel about? How do you feel 520 00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: right now? Right now? How do you feel? How do 521 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: you feel? I go, I go, I'm angry? Goes, You're angry? 522 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 1: How angry are you? Are? You? Really? Are you fucking furious? You? 523 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: Are you? Like unbelieving the guy there in the green 524 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 1: shirt sucked up? But how furious to you? I go, 525 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: I go, what do you wanta? Do you want to? 526 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: You want to grab me? You want to you want 527 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: to choke him to death? Right? You want you? You're 528 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: really fucking angry? Right? I go, yeah, yes, yes, I'm angry. 529 00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:02,960 Speaker 1: I want to beat the ship out. And he goes, 530 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: ha ha ha, let's shoot that. Let's shoot that. You 531 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,160 Speaker 1: go over there, you Graham. You throw him against the wall, 532 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: You beat the ship out of him. We just made 533 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: it up. We do take one. I bounced the guy 534 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: against the wall. The set is embraced the wall, so 535 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: the set almost falls down. I fling this guy against 536 00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: the wall to slug this guy and Mark and you 537 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:25,959 Speaker 1: hear Marty of him a video village going and I go, okay, 538 00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,240 Speaker 1: So they go, okay, let's stop, and we'll embraced the 539 00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: set and we'll do it again, and we do this. 540 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,400 Speaker 1: And he was so if he was inspired, you know, 541 00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: if he was moved, if he was so uh inclined, 542 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: he's the greatest boy. He was just I mean, I 543 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: only had two small parts in two films with him, 544 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: but he was so, so, so amazing. Now you were 545 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,719 Speaker 1: married once before, and you have your daughter with your 546 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 1: first husband, and then of course at this point in 547 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: your life, you're very successful. What I learned about you, 548 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: I'm a very good judge of character. And there is 549 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 1: nobody in the town is a bad word to say 550 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: about you. Everybody loves you. Everybody loves Cheryl Haynes, and 551 00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: she's the star, one of the stars of this huge show. 552 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 1: And everybody and and the and the curb your enthusiasm, 553 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: of course, lives in that weird little quadrant where people 554 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,480 Speaker 1: in the industry watched the show. We stayed at thirty Rocks, 555 00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,000 Speaker 1: stayed on the air because Lauren Michaels would be an 556 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,440 Speaker 1: aspen and someone would say, my son broke his arm skiing, 557 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,600 Speaker 1: and he had he couldn't go skiing. We're in the 558 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: hotel room and we watched seasons three and four or 559 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: thirty rocks that shows hysterical. So people in the business 560 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: watched the show. Curbs a show that people in the 561 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: business watched the show. So everybody loves you. The show 562 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: is a great success. And you decided to get married again. 563 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: What do you do, Cheryl my Mary Kennedy? Yeah, yeah, 564 00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: how did how Larry and you took Larry's dating recommendation? 565 00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: Larry was the he was the opposite of He was 566 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: so Larry. And he didn't set you up with Bobby No, 567 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 1: I mean he introduced us just because we were at 568 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: the same event. But then later, you know, Larry was like, 569 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,840 Speaker 1: that's a terrible idea. No, no, no, don't don't get 570 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 1: involved that that's a terrible idea. And then cut to yeah, 571 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: we've been married for eight years something like that. You 572 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 1: must have a ball hanging out with that crop. We 573 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 1: have so much fun and you're in You're right, there's 574 00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,640 Speaker 1: His family is so so much more I don't know, 575 00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: welcoming and more personable than you could imagine. I don't know. 576 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,480 Speaker 1: And when I met him and I was like, oh, 577 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to meet all the Kennedy's. That sounds intimidating, 578 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: and then you meet them and they're just really fun, 579 00:33:43,560 --> 00:33:47,480 Speaker 1: a good time. Oh yeah, that's right, that's right. Were 580 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 1: there things that were issues that you maybe kind of 581 00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: sort of had some interest in? Has he deepened your 582 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 1: passion for any issues at all? Well? I met Bobby 583 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: at a Waterkeeper Alliance fundraiser, so Bobby started Waterkeeper and 584 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:12,400 Speaker 1: definitely being around him and understanding, you know, the environment 585 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:16,959 Speaker 1: better and and how big corporations are just they would 586 00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: it's much easier and cheaper for them to pay fines 587 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:25,279 Speaker 1: for killing people bring the product to market at its 588 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,800 Speaker 1: true cost, he taught me. Yeah, so I have learned 589 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: about it sort of on that the bigger scale and 590 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: more of the um legal side of it, more than 591 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:41,319 Speaker 1: just you know, recycle. So it's definitely a learning And 592 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 1: I go in and out of being interested in politics 593 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: because and sometimes I cannot. I can't these days, I 594 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,080 Speaker 1: can't even watch the news. But then, you know, I 595 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: don't know, in six months, I might only be watching 596 00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: the news all the time because but but yeah, I 597 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: learned a lot from him. What have you taught him? 598 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: I think I've taught him to I mean, I don't 599 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: want to say lighten up because he's it's interesting. You 600 00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,479 Speaker 1: wouldn't think that he's as funny and play phil as 601 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: he is, just if you only knew him from his 602 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: you know, persona that he presents to people. So um, 603 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,279 Speaker 1: I've taught him that, hopefully it's I'm teaching him like 604 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:25,800 Speaker 1: sometimes check it at the door, like don't bring everything home. 605 00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:32,879 Speaker 1: He's invested in so many heavy chases. Yeah that it's like, 606 00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,560 Speaker 1: oh man, sometimes you just need to watch dirty rock 607 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,759 Speaker 1: and get why not. But you're very right, which is 608 00:35:39,960 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: you can't be saving the world all the time, you know. 609 00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 1: And it's like sometimes I get so frustrated and I'm like, look, yes, 610 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: we're all dying of everything. Whatever you think is killing us, 611 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 1: it is. It is, so just yeah, let's enjoy the night. Yeah. Now, 612 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: did Saturday and Night with Larry when we did the 613 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: debate and he was Bernie Sanders. He said, I'm not 614 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: like my opponent. I've got four pairs of underwear and 615 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: I washed them out in the sink every night and 616 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,000 Speaker 1: leave them on the radiator. And we had a ball 617 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: and he was very, very very funny. You and he 618 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,439 Speaker 1: are divorced on the show, Yes, And I'm dating Ted 619 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,319 Speaker 1: Danson on the show. That's kind of a lateral move agewise. 620 00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:31,720 Speaker 1: We thought was like Roger Federer, right, like a hot guy, right. 621 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:38,640 Speaker 1: And then I pooled around with Larry behind Ted's back. Oh, 622 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: I did the movie. It's complicated. That's what I did. 623 00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: I had an affair with my ex wife. I loved 624 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: its complicated. No, no, no, But but when you divorce 625 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,360 Speaker 1: your character you've been with all this time, was it 626 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: a little bit wistful for you? When Larry and you 627 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: got divorced? It was terrible. We're glad you run off 628 00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: and go have an affair with Ted Dathson. No, it 629 00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:59,360 Speaker 1: was terrible. I hated it. I still hate it. But 630 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: then we tried to get it back together, and yeah, listen, 631 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,919 Speaker 1: it's not that kind of show. I'm not having love 632 00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:11,719 Speaker 1: scenes with anybody. But I don't know. I keep thinking 633 00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:15,080 Speaker 1: that Larry and Cheryl, they would they belong together. It 634 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 1: seems like, I gotta tell you, everybody loves you. It's 635 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: a nice position to be in. I wouldn't know what 636 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: that was like, which I knew. I wish I knew 637 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: what that was like. For one day. My love to you, 638 00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:35,360 Speaker 1: my love to your your man. I will my thanks 639 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 1: to Cheryl Hines. This episode was recorded at CDM Studios 640 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: in New York City. We're produced by Kathleen Russo, Zack McNeice, 641 00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:48,440 Speaker 1: and Maureen Hoban. Our engineer is Frank Imperial. Our social 642 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 1: media manager is Danielle Gingrich. I'm Alec Baldwin. Here's the 643 00:37:52,600 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: Thing is brought to you by iHeart Radio four. Complete 644 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 1: contro