1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: producer Paul Mission Controlled deconds. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this the stuff they 9 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. It is the top of 10 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: the week. This is where, this is where our team 11 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:50,840 Speaker 1: finally makes the decision to choose one story each out 12 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: of all the crazy stuff we have read and share 13 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: it with you, our fellow conspiracy realist. We're talking about crime, 14 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: We're talking about crypto, we're talking about we're talking about 15 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: word all finally in a treat way. Yeah, and we 16 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:16,400 Speaker 1: are also we're also diving into um very interesting story 17 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: about Q and on kind of a depressing story. It's 18 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: one for the lepidopterist in the crowd. No spoiler, but 19 00:01:23,640 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 1: I'd never get to use that word, so it's it's 20 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,679 Speaker 1: for you lepidopterist. Well, we learned two new words today. 21 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 1: Who am I say? We I mean me um that word, 22 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: and also the words senectic Key, which I knew from 23 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: the name of the movie Senectic Key, New York, but 24 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:39,840 Speaker 1: never fully understood what it meant, and banging it a 25 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: great job of explaining. It's sort of like when one 26 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: thing becomes a stand in for a larger thing, kind 27 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: of right, and the lepidopters an expert on butterflies. And 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: that is just another example of how incredibly unfair the 29 00:01:56,640 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: English language is. Two people learning it, right you we well, 30 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: we'll get into that in a second. But I think 31 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: maybe Matt, maybe we start today with your story, which 32 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: involves true crime, involves wordle It's an ongoing situation, right, 33 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: I think this is still uh this this is a 34 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: story that hasn't yet concluded. But maybe maybe the first 35 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: way to get into it, can we talk a little 36 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: bit about word. You're talking about word, as long as 37 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: you don't want to start by talking about the fact 38 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 1: that some unknown intelligence operators within the sphere of the 39 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 1: United States are as of the day we're recording this 40 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: saying that Russia might invade Ukraine by Wednesday, which would 41 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: be last week. Because you're hearing this, that's okay, We 42 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: don't have to think about that. My mom said that 43 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: they closed the American embassy in Kiev. Yes, they've relocated. 44 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 1: The embassy staff is Romanian and country has been reload 45 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:04,120 Speaker 1: catered to the western part of Ukraine. And we have 46 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: been talking about this behind the scenes for a while. 47 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 1: Um My, my contacts in that part of the world 48 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: are either very scared or very excited, depending on depending 49 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: on their motivations. I'm trying to be diplomatic here. But 50 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 1: but also one of the only countries that hasn't issued 51 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: a leave now order is Ireland. Ireland has weirdly enough, 52 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: said just keep it to essential travel and that's that's 53 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 1: a that's a strange flex But if you on Twitter, 54 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: I was talking with some folks about this earlier as well. 55 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: If you are studying geopolitical tensions, you don't really need 56 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,320 Speaker 1: to put too much weight on what politicians are saying 57 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,080 Speaker 1: to their domestic audiences. I mean, that's a part of 58 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 1: the calculation. But what you need to look at are 59 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: the actions. So follow the supply chains, follow the logistics, 60 00:04:05,560 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: and ask yourself about timing. Um you know, ask in 61 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 1: the case of Ukraine, uh and Crimea. We did. We 62 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: did an episode back in the day that still stands 63 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: like it actually holds water. And thanks to you. I 64 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: think it was Eric, longtime listener fellow conspiracy realist Eric 65 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 1: who gave us a kudos for that episode. Um, if 66 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: you look at if you look at what happens with 67 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: the idea of annexation, UM, I don't know. I wish 68 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: more people in the West. We're talking about the Minsk 69 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,840 Speaker 1: Protocols or Minsk Agreements. From the Russian perspective, that's that's 70 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: what they're looking for. They're looking for a hard guarantee 71 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 1: that Ukraine will never become a member of NATO, and 72 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: they're also looking for compliance to the Minsk Agreements. But 73 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: the problem with that is that the government of Ukraine 74 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: and the government of Russia A k our boy lad, 75 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: don't agree on what the agreement means. It's like the 76 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: most affordantly though, I can't get today's brain teaser, y'all. 77 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: It's far all right. Well, that's that's why word is 78 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: so important, guys, because this kind of stuff is really happening. 79 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: Something it is exists, so you can if you don't 80 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: know what wordle is. I'm surprised, but that's okay, because 81 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know what it was until just a little 82 00:05:28,640 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: while ago. But you can head over to New York 83 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: Times n y times dot com Slash games, slash wordle 84 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: New York City. I think it's also slash. I've been 85 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: using it already. It already updated because they bought it, 86 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: like in the last less than a month. I mean, 87 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: it was like a U k U r L when 88 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 1: I was turned onto it, and then I heard word 89 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: doll that the the New York Times and bought the things. 90 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: And now that you the the r L has its 91 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:57,800 Speaker 1: magically changed. I just not because I've had the same 92 00:05:57,839 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: I've had it open in the same tab ever since. 93 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 1: I doubt about it. Yes, so it is a game. 94 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: It is a word guessing game. It is delightful. I 95 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,720 Speaker 1: recommend you try it. You get six attempts to name 96 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 1: a five character word or guess a five character word, 97 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 1: and it you know. It tells you which ones are wrong, 98 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,480 Speaker 1: which ones are right, which ones are right, but not 99 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: in the right place until you get it right, hopefully, 100 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: and when you do get it right, it's become a 101 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: fun thing to share on usually on social media or 102 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: just between you know, text messages or something. The results 103 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: how many guesses you got it in like, oh man, 104 00:06:33,560 --> 00:06:35,599 Speaker 1: I got today's You see in this little grid, right, 105 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,080 Speaker 1: little little squares of like you know which ones were 106 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,240 Speaker 1: a correct attempt. I think the most important thing to 107 00:06:41,240 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 1: to think about with this is it's the same word 108 00:06:43,240 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 1: for everybody, which is where the stroke of genius lies 109 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: in the whole enterprise, I would say, the big stroke 110 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:52,600 Speaker 1: of genius. And the reason it's struck such a chord 111 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: with people, the reason New York Times bought it is 112 00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 1: because it is self limiting. It allows you are less 113 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:02,600 Speaker 1: of who you are, allows you one puzzle per day. 114 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: And a good friend of ours who is a spectacular author, 115 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: and I think we're so we hang with this guy 116 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 1: will introduce you to one day who looks a lot 117 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: like David Lynch. He's not David Lynch, but he looks 118 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: a lot like David Lynch. He's super cool. I know 119 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:23,280 Speaker 1: we're we're being, by necessity a little bit vague here, 120 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 1: but he also he has opinions about word all being 121 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 1: purchased by the New York Times, and uh he uh. 122 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: He may strike accord with some of our fellow wordle enthusiasts. 123 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: Because this guy, this mystery fellow, is of the opinion 124 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 1: that since New York Times acquired word all, they have 125 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 1: changed the the guest words, like the words you're trying 126 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: to guess, they have changed them to more reflect the 127 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: brand of the New York Times. And he is on 128 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: a scale of one to not happy very unhappy about 129 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: and you know, I I don't Oh gosh, we can't 130 00:08:05,000 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: talk about him yet, but you're going to meet him 131 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: soon enough. And word all is just I think what 132 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 1: you're establishing here, Matt, is that word all has become 133 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: a kind of communicative currency for a lot of people. 134 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: Right Like you might have you might have friends that 135 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,280 Speaker 1: you don't necessarily catch up with on a regular basis, 136 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: because not everybody hangs out every day like the five 137 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 1: of us, So so you might you might only be 138 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: communicating with them by sending that neat little grid so 139 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: everybody can see that you guess the correct word on 140 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:45,440 Speaker 1: the third try or even the second try. And people 141 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 1: have built a ritualization and the regularity through this, and 142 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,959 Speaker 1: that's where that's where we start to see today's story. Yes, correct, 143 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: That's why a lot of people are posting it on 144 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: social media. That's then I would say the standard ritual 145 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: for some it's more of a you know, communication between 146 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: one other person or a couple other people, like family 147 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 1: or friends, like, hey, I got today's in three, um, 148 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: and for them tell me, I'm two in and I've 149 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: only got the first letter, the first letter, and I'm like, 150 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: I'm clueless. Man, it's it's really killing me. Yes, yes, 151 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,439 Speaker 1: I won't tell you. But for the purposes of today's show, 152 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: this is the ritual that the subject of the story 153 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:33,319 Speaker 1: has with her family. Now put that to the side here. 154 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: Remember that word all is a ritual for this person 155 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,000 Speaker 1: and their immediate family. Imagine, if you will. You're lying 156 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: in bed, it's very late, it's dark everywhere. Your lights 157 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: are all out except for the ones you keep on 158 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: during the night so you don't stumble over yourself when 159 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:53,280 Speaker 1: you go to the bathroom. Uh, you awake all of 160 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 1: a sudden, and standing in your room, just above you 161 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 1: and beyond your bed, there is an naked man in 162 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: his thirties with scissors in his hand. How do you 163 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: react to that situation immediately upon waking. I don't know 164 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: how I would react because I've never been in that situation, 165 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: but I have a feeling the panic would set in 166 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,240 Speaker 1: very quickly. And the fight or flight thing would happen. 167 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 1: Well for the subject of today's story, that is not 168 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:24,839 Speaker 1: what happened. She was very cool and collected in her 169 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: response to this person being in her room at night, who, 170 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: by the way, is bleeding pretty profusely from his arm 171 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 1: where he broke the window in order to gain entry 172 00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: into this person's house. Um, just unsettling all around. This 173 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: is the story of Denise Holt, and this is something 174 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: that really happened to her just a couple of weeks ago. 175 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: It was a Saturday and everything seemed to be going fine, 176 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: and then now she's stuck in this situation. I mentioned 177 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: that she stayed calm and collected in this situation. Well 178 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 1: she she did. She this man was apparently very cold, 179 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 1: and he got into bed with her, and uh, she 180 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,600 Speaker 1: just said, Okay, what do you need? What's going on? 181 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: What can I do? How can I you know, how 182 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: can I help? Basically, you're in charge. What do we 183 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: need to do here? The man held her hostage for 184 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: I believe seventeen to twenty hours some sometime in there. 185 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:25,360 Speaker 1: But depending on the reporting that you can see from 186 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,839 Speaker 1: everything from CBS Local to the Washington Post, UH to 187 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: the Independent everybody's reporting on this. Right now again, I'm 188 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: bringing you another one of these stories that's everywhere in 189 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: the news. And have we mentioned the age of the 190 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,040 Speaker 1: victim here? Oh, age of the victim? No is a 191 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 1: d uh. Denise Holt is an eighty year old woman. 192 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: She lives alone. And this is again, this is an 193 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: astonishing story. So this man who continued to be naked, 194 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: who continued to uh have a weapon because he went 195 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: into the kitchen and got two knives out of the kitchen, 196 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: then used those essentially to hold this woman hostage. Um 197 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: and he was shivering the entire time. He's apparently trying 198 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: to warm himself up. He took a shower and he 199 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,720 Speaker 1: made Denise get in the shower with him. He then 200 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: said he couldn't warm up enough, so he got into 201 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: the bathtub and ad made her get in the bathtub 202 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:27,079 Speaker 1: with him. According to the story, this isn't a story 203 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: of sexual abuse. This is mental and you know, physical 204 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: coercion and abuse of some way, But he's not a 205 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 1: story about sexual abuse, at least that what's been reported. 206 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: He then ended up taking her down to a bathroom 207 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: I believe in the basement area and kept her there, 208 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: put a chair up against the door and locked her 209 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,120 Speaker 1: in the bathroom for hours and hours and hours. I 210 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: think it was Oh, this is what it is, guys, 211 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: I'm getting that the time confused. It was twenty hours 212 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 1: in total. Seventeen hours of that was her locked in 213 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: the basement bathroom. And think about that. You're eighty years old, 214 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: you live alone. Someone's just broken into your house randomly. 215 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: You don't have access to your cell phone. The man 216 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,920 Speaker 1: went around the house and unplugged the landline phone. How 217 00:13:15,960 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: do you alert anyone when you're stuck in the basement bathroom? 218 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: Imagine that? What do you do? Well? Uh, assuming you're 219 00:13:26,200 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: not that's not a rhetorical question, met then the answer, 220 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 1: I would say, goes into basic kind of um survival stuff, 221 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 1: right Like, prior preparation is more advantageous than luck. So 222 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:48,640 Speaker 1: you want predictability. But predictability and prior preparation are things 223 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: that people usually only appreciate after they should have already prepared, 224 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? For certain, I think many 225 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:01,720 Speaker 1: of us never imagine something like this could actually happen. 226 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 1: I guess it's that space between over and under preparation, right, 227 00:14:04,679 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: So where do you fall in? And this question to 228 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: you listening right now, where do you fall into that? 229 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: But I think, especially if you're eighty years old, your 230 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,560 Speaker 1: live alone, you just don't expect it to happen, but 231 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: it does. She's stuck in that bathroom. How do you 232 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 1: alert anyone? Well, here's the thing, it's an alert by 233 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: not alerting. It's the lack of an an alert, right, 234 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: like a dead hand situation. Her both of her daughters, 235 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 1: who lived very very far away from her, are used 236 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: to getting a wordle update from her on a daily basis. 237 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 1: And when they both did not receive that and then 238 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: they communicated together after not being able to get in 239 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: touch with her via phone, they called a neighbor who 240 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: then did a check on the house. They you know, 241 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: tried to get anyone's attention in the home. No one responded. 242 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 1: He let the daughters know that the vehicle was there 243 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 1: that their mother drives, so that was a bit suspicious. 244 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,000 Speaker 1: So the daughters then, from very far away, called the 245 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: local police and had them do a wellness check. And 246 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 1: that is when Denise, locked in the basement, was able 247 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: to yell to them and let them know that she 248 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 1: is in fact in the home and someone is in 249 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: the home with her and that's how she was saved. 250 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: It reminds me a lot of one of the one 251 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: of the basic things for solo exploration. I've mentioned this before. 252 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: If you're not familiar with the US, if you're from 253 00:15:22,640 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: outside of that country, then you probably know like New 254 00:15:26,360 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: York and Los Angeles, right, and maybe maybe Chicago if 255 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: you like comedy. Um, but a lot of people aren't 256 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: fully aware of the scale of wilderness in this country. 257 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: There is a vast interior that is unmapped, to the 258 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 1: point where the FBI doesn't even monitor disappearances in national parks. 259 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: That's a true fact. So if you are going out 260 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: into the wild on your own, one of the day 261 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: one things you do is you establish a timeline and 262 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: you tell people who are who are going to remain 263 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: in civilization, like, Hey, Matt Noel, I got a wild hair. 264 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go explore you know, the most remote parts 265 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 1: of Montana. But don't worry, I will check back in 266 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,560 Speaker 1: on Saturday. And if I don't check back in, it 267 00:16:19,640 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 1: on Saturday, sending someone you know what I mean. So 268 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:28,920 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of what this Luckily, through serendipity, h 269 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: this person had established a routine, and that routine may 270 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 1: well have saved her life. Absolutely. I think it absolutely did. 271 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: The in that seventeen hours that she was stuck in 272 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: the basement, the man apparently opened the door one time 273 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: and simply remarked, oh you you didn't sleep, and then 274 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 1: close the door again locked her back in. And meanwhile, 275 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: she I told you that she took a shower in 276 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,960 Speaker 1: a bath with this guy. He didn't let her dry 277 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 1: off and get changed or anything. She was still wet 278 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:02,360 Speaker 1: when she was placed into that cold basement shower. And 279 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: this is in lincoln Wood, Illinois, where it is not 280 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,639 Speaker 1: warm at all, which you know makes you understand why 281 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 1: whoever this naked man was that busted into the house 282 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 1: was probably freezing, was actually physically freezing that man. By 283 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 1: the way, it's been reported by Chicago CBS station a 284 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: couple other places as James H. Davis the third it's 285 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: thirty two years old, facing fell in the charges and 286 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: and likely, you know, would wouldn't you say that this 287 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,199 Speaker 1: was like, I mean, I know you already alluded to it, 288 00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: but someone that will probably end up getting psychiatric you know, 289 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: confinement rather than going to prison. Yes, Corney of The 290 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: Washington Post and several other outlets. He was in the 291 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: police who responded, who had to taze him through a 292 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: hole that was cut in a door. Um, he was 293 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: going through some kind of mental distress and weirdly enough, 294 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: to his credit and according to um, the victim, he 295 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 1: didn't actually harm her physically, but he you know, he 296 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: did psychological torments. Yeah, Like, it's just, you know, we've 297 00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 1: seen many of these stories where that situation ends very differently, 298 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: or maybe even begins very differently, where violence is immediately involved. 299 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: It reminds me of an episode of six ft Under 300 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 1: where one of the characters who you've grown to really 301 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: love is abducted and taken on a nightmarish van ride 302 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 1: around Los Angeles, And it's more about the mental, you know, 303 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: abuse than it is physical. There is physical abuse that 304 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: takes place, for sure, But to me, the thing that 305 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: always made me most terrified by that episode and like 306 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:49,959 Speaker 1: really you know, feeling completely kind of taken advantage of emotionally, 307 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, in terms of seeing this character that I 308 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:53,720 Speaker 1: grow into love being treated this way, was all of 309 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:55,679 Speaker 1: the you know, are you gonna is he gonna let 310 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: him go? Oh, he seems like he's going to and 311 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: then he doesn't um and that's that can really leave 312 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,920 Speaker 1: a lasting impression, you know, if it happens in real life, 313 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: like total PTSD, especially for older woman. I mean, I 314 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: just can't right looks like in real world terms, because 315 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: I think there's something valuable that everybody listening today can 316 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:19,719 Speaker 1: take away from from this story, and it is, Uh, 317 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: it is ultimately dilemma of the role in the role 318 00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:30,520 Speaker 1: you want predictability to play a part in your personal life. 319 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:34,360 Speaker 1: So if you are living alone, living alone is awesome, 320 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: by the way, but everybody who's lived alone has had 321 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: that moment where they think, oh, if I slip and fall, 322 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: or if something goes sideways, I could be in a 323 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: real pickle. Who is going to find me? You know 324 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: what I mean? We all know there's an anecdotes of 325 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: you know, a person's body being discovered because of the 326 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: smell in an apartment. It's a grizzly thing to talk about, 327 00:19:57,200 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: but it's important to acknowledge because it happens. Uh, you 328 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: can build this sort of protective predictability into your life. 329 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:07,679 Speaker 1: But I would say, and I know this applies to 330 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:10,959 Speaker 1: some of us listening today, I would say, you are 331 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: you can also be in situations where you need unpredictability, 332 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: like if you're in a hostile or a hairy place, 333 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: or you're trying to escape domestic violence situation, which is 334 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,199 Speaker 1: tragic and widespread throughout the world, then you're going to 335 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: want to do basic tradecraft stuff like alter your everyday roots. 336 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: You don't go to the same place every day, and 337 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: if you have to go to the same place, try 338 00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: to vary your time, but try to vary how you 339 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,800 Speaker 1: get there. Um, that is a real thing, but in 340 00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: this case for most folks, I would say, at least 341 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: at this point, for most folks and most of your 342 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: loved ones, you do want to bake in something that 343 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: is is kind of in an account of account of 344 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,040 Speaker 1: ability thing, a buddy system. You want ana count of 345 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,639 Speaker 1: bill of buddy you know what I mean. Like, Uh, 346 00:21:06,400 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: we're very fortunate here because we are literally like in 347 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:18,520 Speaker 1: contact every day. If something happens to like DOC or 348 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 1: two mission control, then we're going to know about it 349 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: pretty quickly, and the same with the three of us. 350 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: But not everybody has that. So if you have someone 351 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: in your life who is kind of flying solo, whether 352 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,399 Speaker 1: for a short thing like a off the grid trip, 353 00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 1: or whether they are living alone. Uh, it is important 354 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:44,439 Speaker 1: to establish routines of contact just for situations like this. 355 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: It's not paranoid, it's not over preparation. Uh. This person 356 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:53,320 Speaker 1: was very very fortunate. Uh, and she's very lucky to 357 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: have awesome kids like this, awesome neighbors. UM. I myself 358 00:21:57,840 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 1: have instituted ritualized check ins with several people who are 359 00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 1: in situations like this, and it can feel like you're 360 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: being a little paranoid, but it only feels that way 361 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 1: so long as nothing bad happens, it's worth the investment. 362 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: Thank you for coming to my ted talk at youl 363 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:21,239 Speaker 1: my time anyway, here's wonderful. Yeah, you're right. Then. The 364 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 1: whole point of bringing this up in today's episode is 365 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: to make that point. Established some kind of contact, especially 366 00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: if you live alone, just to make sure somebody sends, 367 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 1: you know, either a neighbor or a friend or the 368 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: police to check on you if you are not in 369 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: contact for any reason. Uh. It's a it's a good 370 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: thing to have. We'll back up plan. All right. Well, 371 00:22:44,440 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 1: now I'll sleep soundly tonight, I'm sure. And with that 372 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 1: we'll hear a word from our sponsors, probably a mattress 373 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,280 Speaker 1: hopefully and we'll be right back with more strange news. 374 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:02,960 Speaker 1: And we're back. And is it part of the drinking game? 375 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: If NOL does a strange news story about cryptocurrency problem, 376 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: you know, I think it's I think it's just a 377 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: phase at this point. But I think we all kind 378 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: of like getting the shout out. So like, if you 379 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: want to, maybe we could all maybe we could all 380 00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: do an enrichment exercise together and write a list of 381 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 1: our our things and make the most Dangerous Drinking game 382 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: and podcasting. But this is is that where you like, 383 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: is that where you hunt human being as part of 384 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: a drinking game, the most dangerous drinking the most dangerous 385 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,520 Speaker 1: drinking game. Yes, get drunk and go on a man hunt. 386 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: But but I know you're you're alluding to, uh, the 387 00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:45,320 Speaker 1: crypto aspects of this story. But as as long time 388 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: listeners know, we all love a good heist. We you know, 389 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, we love heist so much that one 390 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: of the other shows we recently created get thee to 391 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 1: a podcast platform and listen to it now, is called 392 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime. So if you don't like the exploitative aspects 393 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 1: of crime, you know, like the the really morbid uh 394 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:14,160 Speaker 1: descriptions of bodies and murders and assaults. But you love 395 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 1: hearing about capers at heist and uh, and I'll say, 396 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: did everybody take a shot the cartoonish lengths? People will go, 397 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 1: uh to get on the wrong side of the law, 398 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: check out ridiculous crime and just to prove how much 399 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 1: we love a heist. Oh man, I'm excited about this 400 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 1: well and also key in what what Zara and Elizabeth 401 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: do on ridiculous crime is like. Oftentimes these crimes are 402 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: perpetrated by pretty stupid people who make some pretty bone 403 00:24:41,640 --> 00:24:45,720 Speaker 1: headed decisions. Um. You know, the jury is still out 404 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: on this couple we're gonna talk about today sort of 405 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 1: entirely out. Um. Essentially, this couple, um, Heather Morgan and 406 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:06,199 Speaker 1: Ilia Liechtenstein, essentially perpetrated through various means, uh, the laundering 407 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: of one of the largest sums of cryptocurrency ever to 408 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: be stolen. Okay, to this specific number of bitcoin, because 409 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,160 Speaker 1: as we know, bitcoin is uh fluctuates depending on what's 410 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: going on in the market, and it can't fluctuate wildly. 411 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,160 Speaker 1: So at the time of publication of this piece on 412 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 1: Motherboard by Tim Marchman, Joseph Cox Jordan's Pearson, Jason Kobler 413 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: and Lorenzo Franceski. Uh big y R A big, big, 414 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: big R. I think that's right serious team effort on 415 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: this one's very very good article. Um. The amount in 416 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:47,479 Speaker 1: question was a roughly five billion dollars, So it's been 417 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: reported different amounts of different places, depending on you know, 418 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: the current price of bitcoin. Um. But the point is 419 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,360 Speaker 1: these two people, they are they stand accused of a 420 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: serious crime. UM. They're bales have been set in the 421 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 1: millions of dollars uh and it is not looking good 422 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: for them. UM. But you know, to to Ben's point 423 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: about the kind of comedic aspect of this uh and 424 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: and and tying it into kind of like bone headed capers, 425 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 1: these two folks are not exactly the type you would 426 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: think would be responsible for such a massive heist. Heather 427 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: in particular, Heather Morgan is sort of a self styled 428 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: internet meme like influencer comedian. She's been described it's self 429 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:40,000 Speaker 1: described usually as a surrealist artist, a cringe rapper. Um. 430 00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: She goes by the handle razzle khn uh and she 431 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: justifies that name saying that she's like Genghis Khan but 432 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:59,679 Speaker 1: has more pizzas, hence the razzle Khan Stewart. Um, yeah, exactly, 433 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: I'm I think she's got You know, she came out 434 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,240 Speaker 1: with a song recently called gil Felicious, which is a 435 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:10,880 Speaker 1: rap song. Uh, talking about wanting to become a grandma. 436 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: I'd like to fill in the blanks with us to 437 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: play with guilt e t B A guilty grandma. I'd 438 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 1: like to fill in the blanks with yeah. And also 439 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 1: real quick, real quick. Um, you know, that's not the 440 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,359 Speaker 1: shame anybody's creative endeavors. We're not talking about this person 441 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: as a musician, right If you if you have a 442 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 1: creative urge, you do it for yourself. Don't worry about 443 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,199 Speaker 1: what other people think of you. We believe in you. 444 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: If you make music or write stories, we'd love to 445 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: hear them. We encourage creative expression just maybe of course 446 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 1: we do. Yeah, we we do. We do. And you know, 447 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,480 Speaker 1: and when you look at like a lot of her 448 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: accounts have been kind of stricken stricken from the internet 449 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 1: after all this stuff. I mean, I imagine she did 450 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: that herself, because that's usually how things get stricken from 451 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,200 Speaker 1: the Internet. Um, It's not like, you know, you can 452 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: just have someone's presence erased by third party. I imagine 453 00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:17,880 Speaker 1: when the heat started, you know, um getting on as 454 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 1: they say, she probably went through and maybe deleted some 455 00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:23,639 Speaker 1: of these uh you know videos, even though it's interesting 456 00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: because it's very clear that she wanted to be very famous, 457 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 1: um and now she's getting her wish. She you know, 458 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: let's I'm trying to think of some other examples, like 459 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: you know what, let's just let's just play a clip 460 00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: from from a track arousal contract uh called Versaci bedouin 461 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 1: com real far but don't know where I'm heading Mother 462 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: Crocodile Wall Streets beat. Yeah, there's so there's that, um 463 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 1: and no no shade on anyone trying to express themselves creatively. 464 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 1: But you know, there is good rap and then there's 465 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: bad rap, and this is pretty bad. Uh, it's not 466 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,280 Speaker 1: I don't quite get the joke, you know what I mean, 467 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 1: Like I don't I don't know how self aware it 468 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,080 Speaker 1: is is my issue. Like if you're doing a Tim 469 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 1: and Eric type bit and it's sort of like you're 470 00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: you're doing a character that's like bad at something, but 471 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 1: you're leaning into it so hard that is the joke, 472 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,320 Speaker 1: Or like one of those shaggy dog jokes that they 473 00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: do on Family Guy, where it's like, you know, Peter, 474 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, making a sound for five minutes because his 475 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: knee hurts, Like, yeah, that's committing to a bit, and 476 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:39,160 Speaker 1: I get that, and that can be funny if you 477 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: used correctly. This to me just seems like someone who 478 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 1: really thinks that they're and like, you know, putting it 479 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: all out there, and it's just kind of you know, 480 00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: it's not good. It's not good. Some of them responses 481 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: to them the now now that you know they've obviously 482 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,880 Speaker 1: they're getting a big name for or not, you know 483 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,240 Speaker 1: what she wanted? Uh, some of the responses on YouTube 484 00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,400 Speaker 1: of the video. The only crime here is her quote 485 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: rapping end quote. Um few, I was scared that the 486 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: world had lost this gem forever. Somebody had reposted this recently. Uh, this, 487 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: this right here is the genius behind the world's biggest heist. 488 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: Bit Finance got taken for seventy one mill now four 489 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,200 Speaker 1: point five bill by Razzle Dazzle. Please tell me she 490 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: is just the fall guy. Ahaha, interesting point, just the 491 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:32,440 Speaker 1: more on innocent framed by the real mastermind. Next we'll 492 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: be hearing Satoshi Nakamoto directed this video. Yeah, that's very cute. 493 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:43,760 Speaker 1: So you heard the name bit fin x. Bit Finance 494 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 1: is an exchange you'll you'll recall back in the day, 495 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: one of the original the o g biggest crypto heists 496 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: was from an exchange called Mount Cox, which got taken 497 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: down by hackers. Uh. And usually when something like this happens, 498 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: the parties are posible never get caught because they do 499 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: a really good job of, you know, hiding their identity. 500 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,440 Speaker 1: And while Razzle Khan and her husband did do some 501 00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,600 Speaker 1: things to help hide their identity, they did a really 502 00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,320 Speaker 1: bad job of it, and it basically just kind of 503 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: caused the investigators looking into the case to have to 504 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 1: like go through a few you know, loopholes to to 505 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 1: to find their true identity. Um. Again that we've talked 506 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 1: about this off Mike, and this is such a crazy 507 00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: and developing story. And this feels like the kind of 508 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 1: thing like the you know, Firefest kind of deal, like 509 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 1: where it's just it's just drawing attention to such a 510 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: like rotten core of like influencer culture and all of 511 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 1: this like weird materialism. But I guess why I'm fascinated 512 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 1: by like the bitcoin stuff and and the crypto stuff 513 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: and n f T s because it really is just 514 00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:55,440 Speaker 1: kind of shining a light on how far, you know, 515 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: a field things have gone in terms of like our 516 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,719 Speaker 1: culture and what is and is not acceptable and just 517 00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 1: the weird gross levels of like indulgence and absurd wealth 518 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: with no direction, you know what I mean. And I 519 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,560 Speaker 1: think this is like gonna be that kind of story. 520 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: And I bet you we'll have competing documentaries about this 521 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,360 Speaker 1: as well. But before that happens, we will have stuff 522 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: I don't want you to know episode about it. I'm 523 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure. But so they did do some things, like 524 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: they they they funneled some of it into like PlayStation 525 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:33,480 Speaker 1: books and and into like Walmart gift cards and like 526 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: you know, gift cards for hotels dot com and some 527 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: other things. UM. And then a lot of the money 528 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: just like sat in uh in an account. And again 529 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: this is the bit fin X was the the exchange 530 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 1: that was you know, uh knocked over UM. And essentially 531 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,680 Speaker 1: the implication is that they were laundering money for somebody else, 532 00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: but we don't know and they never know who those 533 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 1: other people, those other parties are. And now um Liechtenstein 534 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,760 Speaker 1: and Morgan are in custody waiting for a hearing. Their 535 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,120 Speaker 1: attorneys haven't responded well with any you know, comments on 536 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: the story. Um. It is the largest single seizure, according 537 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: to the Washington Post of funds in Justice Department history 538 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,560 Speaker 1: so far, so far. Uh. And then by the way, 539 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,280 Speaker 1: you know, you mentioned that what do you say, would 540 00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: we say Versaci Bedowin Uh? Was the other one, the 541 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,520 Speaker 1: Turkish Martha Stewart. Um. One of the other honorifics that 542 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:39,920 Speaker 1: Morgan gave to herself was the crocodile of Wall Street. 543 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,560 Speaker 1: And she does have some bona fides to back that up. 544 00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean, she went to business school and has you know, 545 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:49,600 Speaker 1: lectured pretty extensively on kind of culture jamming like finance 546 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,040 Speaker 1: kind of stuff, you know. And her husband as well 547 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,160 Speaker 1: described her partner, I'm not quite sure if they're married 548 00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:57,720 Speaker 1: or not. Described himself describes himself as a tech entrepreneur, 549 00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: explorer and occasional magician and um, while Morgan takes it 550 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: even further and describes herself as like you know author, um, 551 00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:13,640 Speaker 1: you know, wrecontour, you know, genius, motivational speaker, like one 552 00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: of those kind of deals where you really say, wow, 553 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:19,440 Speaker 1: this person really thinks quite a lot of themselves. Um, 554 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,720 Speaker 1: and she is a smart person. She's got some friends 555 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,000 Speaker 1: that have commented on on her after this story blew 556 00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 1: up and everyone's like, wow, I had no idea, um 557 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 1: a friend of hers. Uh. Important point. Being intelligent does 558 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 1: not make you necessarily a good person any more than 559 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,040 Speaker 1: necessarily makes you a good person. But you can respect 560 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 1: intelligence and acknowledge it without applying, you know, like a 561 00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: a moral value to it. I I'm a little torn 562 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: on this one because I I don't like, you know, 563 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 1: shaming anyone's creativity, and there is a certain amount of 564 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 1: creativity to a good heist, right, That's why we talked 565 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 1: about them so much. But but this is definitely crime 566 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:09,800 Speaker 1: and nol could you like, so they got caught in 567 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: like the classic mistake that government level conspirators make. They 568 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 1: didn't get necessarily caught just for the crime. The breakthrough 569 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: in the case was them trying to cover it up. 570 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah, it is correct. And again we 571 00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: don't have all of the details um for this. At 572 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,680 Speaker 1: the time of the theft, by the way, the amount 573 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: of bitcoin that was stolen from bit finance was worth 574 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,759 Speaker 1: seventy one million dollars. But now it's appreciated so much 575 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,440 Speaker 1: over the years. The total value again in this article 576 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 1: at saying four point five million billion, excuse me, Um, 577 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: Then there's others that say three point six billion. Federal 578 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: officials say they seized ninety four thousand stolen bitcoins with 579 00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,239 Speaker 1: an estimated value of three point six billion, but that 580 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 1: they stole more than that they stabllly recovered three point 581 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 1: six So that's the discrepancy in the numbers, in addition 582 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 1: to the fact that you know the value changes depending 583 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: on when the reporting UH takes place. So um Yeah. Again, 584 00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: single largest largest single seizure of funds in the history 585 00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: of the Justice Department and certainly one of the most 586 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,280 Speaker 1: high profile prosecutions ever UH to emerge from a new 587 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: UM kind of digital division, I guess, or at the 588 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,480 Speaker 1: very least, a new UH task force that's designed specifically 589 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:26,800 Speaker 1: to investigate crypto crimes. UM and UH Deputy Attorney General 590 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,400 Speaker 1: Lisa oh Monico had this to say, cryptocurrency is not 591 00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: a safe haven for criminals and that this heist was 592 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 1: perpetrated or this laundering effort was perpetrated by Lichtenstein and 593 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 1: Morgan trying to obscure these transactions through labyrinth of cryptocurrency exchanges. 594 00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 1: I want to say exchanges, I mean like you know, 595 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:50,000 Speaker 1: trading them and moving them around. Um. Again, a lot 596 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,840 Speaker 1: of the stuff is over my head. A lot of 597 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,880 Speaker 1: this stuff is not even something that we know about yet. 598 00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:59,279 Speaker 1: But bit Finance had actually offered a reward potentially worth 599 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:03,239 Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars uh for information leading to 600 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: the folks who stole these funds UM. And we're not 601 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:13,000 Speaker 1: sure if that was that that came into play in 602 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,439 Speaker 1: any way, and in this um, you know, finding out 603 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:19,759 Speaker 1: who is at the center of this UM. But it's 604 00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:23,160 Speaker 1: very very interesting, and again I think we should probably 605 00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,480 Speaker 1: leave it here. Uh. And and and really dig deep 606 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,520 Speaker 1: into the background of these these two and if there's 607 00:37:29,560 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: the potential, as that YouTube commenter said, and as many 608 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,879 Speaker 1: sources that I've read on this about suggest um these 609 00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 1: two might have been Patsy's to some degree, certainly possible, uh, 610 00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 1: because they apparently you know, there's a video again, you know, 611 00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,440 Speaker 1: I know that she had a certain performance art bent 612 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,880 Speaker 1: to this weird rap persona and to a lot of 613 00:37:48,880 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: this stuff, like there's a video of of Morgan like 614 00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:55,840 Speaker 1: eating cat food and for fun, I guess, and you know, 615 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,400 Speaker 1: for art, and also I mean, she just she compared 616 00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: herself to folks like cows Key and Hunter S. Thompson 617 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: and you know, other kind of weirdo outsider artists and writers. 618 00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,719 Speaker 1: So she definitely, you know, was into weird stuff, which 619 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,239 Speaker 1: I think we all are. Um, the question is in 620 00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: the execution. And again I'm with you, Ben, I'm not 621 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:18,600 Speaker 1: trying to shut down anybody's creativity, but uh, it does 622 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: strike me as like, I don't know the guys I 623 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: always reference to my my my dudes over Internet today, Um, 624 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,319 Speaker 1: the YouTube channel. They made the point that, like, what 625 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,120 Speaker 1: a weird place to to try to pull off this 626 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,960 Speaker 1: level of money laundering, Like don't people usually move to 627 00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,400 Speaker 1: like Monaco or something to do things like this, like 628 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,320 Speaker 1: living in one of the most heavily financially regulated states 629 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: and cities in like the world, New York City and 630 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: trying to pull this off pretty flagrantly. Um, it seems 631 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,880 Speaker 1: like a pretty boneheaded move. So we'll see what other 632 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 1: information comes to light that that whether these folks were 633 00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:03,319 Speaker 1: in fact um steamrolled by hidden hand. I don't think 634 00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 1: it's beyond the realm of possibility. Let's say I would 635 00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: just say that the surprising is exactly what you just 636 00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: mentioned there no the size of this heist, the quickness 637 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:17,239 Speaker 1: and accuracy in which it was pulled off, and then 638 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:22,319 Speaker 1: the seeming ineptitude from the people who pulled it off 639 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:28,359 Speaker 1: when it comes to doing a criminal act exactly we 640 00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,880 Speaker 1: were talking about it. Just it's very very strange story. 641 00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: It should be noted that today as we record this 642 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: episode Valentine's Day, the couple is in court I think, 643 00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,359 Speaker 1: or it was in court earlier today in New York. 644 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:48,840 Speaker 1: So we'll last thing. I sort of you know, indicated 645 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: this before. They didn't like go on some kind of 646 00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: mad spending spree either, which is interesting. I mean, you know, 647 00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: there's and there's photographs of their apartment which was rented 648 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,840 Speaker 1: um and and it was like littered with like cat toys, 649 00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 1: and and they had like books that were hollowed out 650 00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: that I think, you know how we've talked about like 651 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,880 Speaker 1: hot wallets and and and cold wallets or or you 652 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 1: know where like uh uh, you can have a wallet 653 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,480 Speaker 1: with bitcoin on it that is not connected to the internet. Um. 654 00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: I think that's what was in these hollowed out books. 655 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,680 Speaker 1: Maybe they had like drives with the stolen goods on it, 656 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: the stolen soft goods that were like hidden inside of 657 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:29,040 Speaker 1: these books. I think I'm not sure about that. Um, 658 00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: but they didn't buy real estate, they didn't do any 659 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: crazy drug lordy type things. They apparently only spent it 660 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:39,000 Speaker 1: on gold some someone gold. They don't have an exact 661 00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,200 Speaker 1: number of how much they spent n F T s 662 00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:45,440 Speaker 1: and also Walmart gift cards, Uber gift cards, Hotels dot 663 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 1: Com gift cards, and PlayStation Bucks. That makes sense, proxies, 664 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm still stuck on the idea of Valentine's Court. And 665 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,520 Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna call it, You're all guilty 666 00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:58,919 Speaker 1: of being loved exactly. I mean one would hope, uh, 667 00:40:58,960 --> 00:41:01,040 Speaker 1: and I sure hope they're relate sation ship. Whether's this 668 00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 1: uh this particular hiccup? Um. You know, you know, they 669 00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,439 Speaker 1: seem to like they maybe love each other very much, 670 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:08,640 Speaker 1: but who's to say. We will find out more soon. 671 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: I want to know more about these people. Lichtenstein really 672 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: precious little about him. All the reporting seems to focus 673 00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,759 Speaker 1: on Morgan because she's such a character. He's a part 674 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: time magician, so he did he did say that, Yeah, 675 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: that's at the end of his like LinkedIn profile or something. 676 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,840 Speaker 1: Part time magician. I love that I love, I love magic, 677 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:28,320 Speaker 1: I love I love slight of hands. There's a different 678 00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,759 Speaker 1: kind of slight of hand that they pulled off though 679 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 1: in digital Um. So let's take a quick break and 680 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,799 Speaker 1: hear from a sponsor, and then we'll come back with 681 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:45,120 Speaker 1: one more piece of strange news. And we have returned 682 00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 1: not just to today's show, but to a larger conversation. 683 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: So much stuff happened over the past few years that 684 00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: you shouldn't beat yourself up if you're not able to 685 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:03,160 Speaker 1: keep track of all of it. Uh, but it appears 686 00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,040 Speaker 1: in the world of Q and On. There are still 687 00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 1: some optimists who said, forget the pizza gators, where you 688 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:13,919 Speaker 1: should go after the lepidopterist. Let me not accidentally freestyle here, 689 00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,600 Speaker 1: although I am technically quite good at it. Today's final 690 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:25,080 Speaker 1: segment is about a weird Q and On thing. So, 691 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 1: as we mentioned in the very top, lepidopterist is just 692 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:34,800 Speaker 1: a fancy word for individuals who study the fancy flying insects, 693 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: the butterflies, the moths, and what have you. They're not 694 00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,960 Speaker 1: the type of folks that you would associate with vast 695 00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:51,040 Speaker 1: deep state conspiracies unless you have been taken in by 696 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 1: the beliefs of Q and on, and we've talked about 697 00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 1: Q and on in depth as a matter of fact, 698 00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:05,919 Speaker 1: full disclosure, we risk sieved some verry lent feedback, UH, 699 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,319 Speaker 1: typically by people who are too afraid to talk to 700 00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:11,120 Speaker 1: us directly when we busted some Q and on myths. 701 00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: What they did instead was they they gathered in some 702 00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,879 Speaker 1: far far right corners of the Internet and then gave 703 00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 1: us bad reviews, which is fine, that's what the review 704 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: system exists for. UM. I personally would have respected it 705 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,160 Speaker 1: more if they had had the HUTSPU to write to 706 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:36,279 Speaker 1: us directly, but they didn't because we're correct. So let 707 00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: me just air my beef. They're real quick. UM. One 708 00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:41,879 Speaker 1: of the big things, just to catch everybody up. One 709 00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:45,719 Speaker 1: of the big things in the agglomeration of Q and 710 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:53,040 Speaker 1: on conspiracy thought was the idea that the deep state 711 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 1: and something like the deep state does exist, but the 712 00:43:55,640 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: the idea that the deep state was involved in um 713 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:10,160 Speaker 1: satanic fiend occult activities to engage in mass abuse of children. 714 00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: So it's it's not a very original thought. Has its 715 00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,200 Speaker 1: roots in like blood libel and anti semitism. It has 716 00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:22,160 Speaker 1: its roots in Satanic panics, it has its roots in 717 00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,560 Speaker 1: earlier theories and it just sort of got spun out 718 00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 1: into a like, quote unquote new thing, the same way 719 00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 1: that taco bell will figure out a different way to 720 00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:33,879 Speaker 1: rearrange the same ingredients, and they're like, boom, now we've 721 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:39,000 Speaker 1: got to you know, um, what's a good exact chaloupa? Right, chaloupa. 722 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,239 Speaker 1: That's the thing? Still? Oh yeah, okay, okay, so what 723 00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:45,680 Speaker 1: is it? It's just like I think, I think, like 724 00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:50,239 Speaker 1: a thick, soft taco kind of yeah. Yeah, it's not bad, 725 00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:55,480 Speaker 1: not bad. So uh, it's still casing the But here's 726 00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:59,359 Speaker 1: what happened. So pizza gate was a term that got 727 00:44:59,400 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: thrown a sound quite quite often in recent years, and 728 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:08,680 Speaker 1: the idea of this belief and that went viral during 729 00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,920 Speaker 1: the election was based on the hacked emails of a 730 00:45:13,960 --> 00:45:17,280 Speaker 1: guy named John Podesta, who at the time was working 731 00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:21,520 Speaker 1: for politician here in the US, Hillary Clinton, former Secretary 732 00:45:21,520 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: of State, former presidential candidate. Wiki Leaks published his emails 733 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: and people read into them in great detail and sort 734 00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,319 Speaker 1: of extrapolated a lot of stuff. They fell victim to 735 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: the human need for pattern recognition, and what they concluded 736 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:45,520 Speaker 1: is that these emails were sending coded messages and the 737 00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: coded messages were referring to abuse of children. This culminated 738 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: in the owners of a place called Comet Pizza, which 739 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: I don't think the three of us have ever visited. 740 00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,320 Speaker 1: The owners of this place were harassed to the point 741 00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: where people had shown up there with firearms, and in 742 00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:12,040 Speaker 1: their minds, it's very important not to necessarily vilify these people. 743 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:16,319 Speaker 1: In their minds, they were trying to correct a great injustice. 744 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:20,360 Speaker 1: They were trying to save the children. Just powerful motivation. 745 00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: It just happens that in this case they were incorrect comment. 746 00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:30,920 Speaker 1: Pizza did not in fact function as a hub of 747 00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: trafficking of any sort. I mean, I guess they you 748 00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:41,400 Speaker 1: could say they traffic pizza pie, right, maybe traffic, Yeah, yeah, 749 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:44,680 Speaker 1: they are. They are definitely deep with Big Cheese. The 750 00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,520 Speaker 1: Big Cheese conspiracy is real. The Pizza gate one is 751 00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:53,640 Speaker 1: easily debunked anyway. So, like a lot of Coltish belief systems, uh, 752 00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:58,600 Speaker 1: the Q and on thing which was not monolithic, right, 753 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:03,040 Speaker 1: the Q and on thing baked in some expiration dates. Right, 754 00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:04,799 Speaker 1: And we we do have a deep dive on this, 755 00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,719 Speaker 1: and it is worth your time if you're not familiar 756 00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,719 Speaker 1: with the entirety of the story. In the context. But 757 00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,640 Speaker 1: you know, just like an end of day's cult, the 758 00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,799 Speaker 1: milestones they were waiting for never came, never came to be. 759 00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 1: And every time one of those milestones did not turn 760 00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,560 Speaker 1: out to be true, the predictions didn't hold water. Then 761 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,360 Speaker 1: the goal post got moved. Because if you want to 762 00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:33,319 Speaker 1: control people in a cult ish or cult environment, what 763 00:47:33,400 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 1: you do is continually move those goal posts. It's always 764 00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,279 Speaker 1: onto the next thing. And that's what happened here. Back 765 00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,480 Speaker 1: to lepidopters, there is a place that most of us 766 00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,880 Speaker 1: have never visited and probably never heard about, in Mission, 767 00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: Texas is called the National Butterfly Center. It is a nonprofit. 768 00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 1: It is so incredibly innocuous. It's a project of the 769 00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:02,200 Speaker 1: North American Butterfly Associate Ation. What I'm saying is specter 770 00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:07,280 Speaker 1: or cobra. These folks are not. They're just super super 771 00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,480 Speaker 1: duper into butterflies and the role they play in ecology. 772 00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,600 Speaker 1: And you know, butterflies are pretty to look at, even 773 00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 1: if you're partially color blind like me. But it got 774 00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 1: targeted recently by by folks who still subscribe to Que 775 00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:28,120 Speaker 1: and on, and they said, this is this center is 776 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:34,440 Speaker 1: like comic pizza, a hub of trafficking. The goal post 777 00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,319 Speaker 1: is moved now we found the real one. It was 778 00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:39,839 Speaker 1: the butterflies the entire time. And I would advance to you, 779 00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,560 Speaker 1: I think, Matt, this is probably something on your mind 780 00:48:42,560 --> 00:48:45,000 Speaker 1: as well. Advanced to you that part of this reasoning 781 00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:48,719 Speaker 1: is based on the concept of Project Monarch, which was 782 00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:54,440 Speaker 1: which is in conspiracy lore. It is the belief that 783 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: the US government and private powerful interests had engaged in 784 00:48:59,560 --> 00:49:04,520 Speaker 1: mind control through child abuse and just successfully covered it 785 00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,719 Speaker 1: up despite the fact that there are numerous people that 786 00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,160 Speaker 1: publicly claiming that they were part of this, that they 787 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,880 Speaker 1: were victimized by this program. So that got transpography, it 788 00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 1: got adapted into the idea, right like their monarch butterflies, 789 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: So why not let's just Charlie Day some red string. 790 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 1: Right between these two ideas, there are definitely advertisements of 791 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:32,200 Speaker 1: signage for the National Butterfly Center in Texas that feature 792 00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:38,640 Speaker 1: a giant monarch exactly exactly. And so this this caught 793 00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:43,680 Speaker 1: fire with with proponents of various Q and on theories, 794 00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:47,479 Speaker 1: and just like the case of comment, things that could 795 00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:53,280 Speaker 1: have existed as fun thought experiments in forums had real 796 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 1: world consequences. As we are recording now, the National Butterfly 797 00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:03,960 Speaker 1: Center there and Mission Texas had to close down because 798 00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:09,080 Speaker 1: there was an escalating harassment pattern that included death threats, 799 00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:13,239 Speaker 1: that included physical trespassing. If you want to check out, 800 00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,600 Speaker 1: If you want to check out the Butterfly Center's response, 801 00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:21,520 Speaker 1: point you to Marianna Trevino. Right. She's the executive director 802 00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:25,879 Speaker 1: of this center, and she has her views of when 803 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:31,000 Speaker 1: this started. She she blames Steve Bannon. Actually, or she says, 804 00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:34,960 Speaker 1: the harassment started way back in it just wasn't making 805 00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,719 Speaker 1: the news because, let's be honest, even though butterflies and 806 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:43,480 Speaker 1: moths are important to the world's ecology, relatively few people 807 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,840 Speaker 1: wake up thinking about them. Right, they don't make news. 808 00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:54,360 Speaker 1: So Right says that in Steve Bannon's fundraising org, We 809 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: Build the Wall, decided to start a project in the 810 00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,480 Speaker 1: same town in Mission to Exist, and they tried to 811 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 1: buy land adjacent to the Butterfly Center. And Right is 812 00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 1: of the belief, as far as I understand that this 813 00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:19,880 Speaker 1: organization started building a smear campaign against them to bolster fundraising. Uh, 814 00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,399 Speaker 1: they were not just accused of being a human trafficking front. 815 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:26,480 Speaker 1: They were accused of being a front for cartels. And 816 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:31,000 Speaker 1: this this was a asymmetric assault. This was an information 817 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:35,959 Speaker 1: war as well as a series of physical incidents. They 818 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:39,279 Speaker 1: also it's so weird, you guys, because it also goes 819 00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,560 Speaker 1: down into just the kind of petty complaints that you 820 00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:46,920 Speaker 1: would see on neighborhood social forums like next door. And 821 00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:51,080 Speaker 1: then dy is familiar with next Door. These hapless lepidopters 822 00:51:51,080 --> 00:51:54,839 Speaker 1: who want nothing more than to learn more about butterflies 823 00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:57,960 Speaker 1: and to make people more aware of the role these 824 00:51:57,960 --> 00:52:04,279 Speaker 1: insects play in the natural world. These folks were astounded 825 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:11,000 Speaker 1: when they saw that, um, they're legal disputes, we're leading 826 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,960 Speaker 1: to a hate campaign. There were folks who were like 827 00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:18,520 Speaker 1: cutting down trees on their property, mowing down their brush, 828 00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:22,759 Speaker 1: and they this was sort of like the first the 829 00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:27,799 Speaker 1: first Foray right says the I'm just going to call 830 00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:31,279 Speaker 1: him the butterfly Gang, kind of like apple dumpling Gang. 831 00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:34,680 Speaker 1: I think that's it's good. I'm getting some knots on there. Okay, 832 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:38,200 Speaker 1: So the butterfly the Butterfly Gang said, we found these 833 00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,359 Speaker 1: strangers on our land, and we said, who are you, 834 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:44,759 Speaker 1: what are you doing? And they said the government sent 835 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:47,680 Speaker 1: us to clear this land for the border wall, which 836 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,640 Speaker 1: was not true unless you think the government was this 837 00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:56,600 Speaker 1: fundraising organization, which, to be clear, it's not so. Also 838 00:52:56,200 --> 00:53:03,000 Speaker 1: at Ben could be anything. Who knows, who knows, who knows. Uh. 839 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,800 Speaker 1: There is a great Vonnegut story. I think it's Vonnegut 840 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: about how the world is secretly run by a conclave 841 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,840 Speaker 1: of the smartest people and the planet just played arbitrary 842 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,920 Speaker 1: games of chance. Um, that may well be the case, 843 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,759 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Anyway, so they take this 844 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 1: the court there lawsuit gets dismissed at this time. Then 845 00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:34,920 Speaker 1: President Trump declares a state of emergency, and right says, 846 00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,600 Speaker 1: this state of emergency has declared so that the administration 847 00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,640 Speaker 1: can take funds and build a border wall. As you 848 00:53:42,680 --> 00:53:46,319 Speaker 1: will recall, especially if you live in the US, that 849 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:51,239 Speaker 1: was one of the key platforms of that presidential campaign, 850 00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,840 Speaker 1: and that's something the administration really stuck to its guns 851 00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:59,799 Speaker 1: on the idea of building physical barriers between Mexico and 852 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:04,880 Speaker 1: the US. So they eventually have had enough of this. 853 00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:09,120 Speaker 1: You can't put these lepidopters in danger because people have 854 00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:15,280 Speaker 1: been radicalized online. So the Board of Directors says, we're 855 00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,560 Speaker 1: going to suspend operations. We're going to close for the 856 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,560 Speaker 1: safety of our staff. These threats have done what COVID 857 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,959 Speaker 1: could not and they have shut us down. They did 858 00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:30,120 Speaker 1: say at least right says that local law enforcement has 859 00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:37,080 Speaker 1: been supportive, so they're not ignoring the problem. But right 860 00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,640 Speaker 1: now they don't know how long the Butterfly Center is 861 00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:44,799 Speaker 1: going to be closed. And I you know, UM, I 862 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,520 Speaker 1: keep going back to the Q and on the Q 863 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,160 Speaker 1: and on episode we did, and some of the segments 864 00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,319 Speaker 1: we did, and some of the conversation and interviews that 865 00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,000 Speaker 1: I have had with people on either side of that 866 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:02,360 Speaker 1: belief system and the issue here. I think one of 867 00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:08,480 Speaker 1: the takeaways here is simply this. If you are subscribed 868 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:15,640 Speaker 1: to a set of beliefs that does not accept healthy skepticism, 869 00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:18,920 Speaker 1: that does not accept critical thought, and that perhaps most importantly, 870 00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:24,600 Speaker 1: always moves the goal post of prediction in order of operations, 871 00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:28,080 Speaker 1: then you need to have a very serious In the South, 872 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,080 Speaker 1: they would call it a come to Jesus moment. You 873 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,879 Speaker 1: need to have very serious come to Jesus moment with 874 00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:38,239 Speaker 1: yourself about what the ultimate end game is and how 875 00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:42,480 Speaker 1: you figure into it and why does it seem like 876 00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:48,120 Speaker 1: there's jam yesterday, jam tomorrow, but never ever jam today. Um, 877 00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:52,000 Speaker 1: And I don't know, don't beat up nerds. I'm super biased. 878 00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 1: We're nerds. Guys were nerds, right, we've all accepted that. 879 00:55:57,600 --> 00:55:59,480 Speaker 1: Have you. Have you, guys, ever been targeted for your 880 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:05,279 Speaker 1: nerd dumb I think I would feel really invasive and horrible. Yeah. Yeah, 881 00:56:05,360 --> 00:56:08,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that I have specifically in that way, 882 00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:12,279 Speaker 1: but I know that I would feel really victimized. I'm 883 00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:18,000 Speaker 1: a nerd that can fight, you know. Yeah. I was 884 00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,440 Speaker 1: just gonna bring up try playing magically the gathering in 885 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:25,600 Speaker 1: your middle school, uh flunch room and see what happens. Um. 886 00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:29,000 Speaker 1: I want to read you, guys a review that I 887 00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,120 Speaker 1: found on map stock, Google dot com. When you find 888 00:56:32,120 --> 00:56:37,320 Speaker 1: the butterfly center there in mission. This is from J. E. J. 889 00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:42,200 Speaker 1: States I saw eight moterflies in total while we were there. 890 00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:45,600 Speaker 1: We could hear gunshots in the near distance. The drive 891 00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:48,760 Speaker 1: thru part was horrible. On the upside, the two staff 892 00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:56,359 Speaker 1: iron countered were friendly. Okay, you of course literal epidopter, right, 893 00:56:56,600 --> 00:57:00,719 Speaker 1: So so I mean the implication that this is being 894 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 1: used as a haven for nefarious activity or is there 895 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:06,759 Speaker 1: some something implicating the butterflies themselves? That's what I want 896 00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,279 Speaker 1: to know. Yeah, I'm speculating that this is based on 897 00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:16,280 Speaker 1: um taking the earlier folklore about Project Monarch, and we 898 00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:18,680 Speaker 1: should do an episode on Project Monarch. It is a 899 00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,160 Speaker 1: fascinating thing to unpack. Um. Also, whenever we're talking about 900 00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:28,200 Speaker 1: victimization of the vulnerable, it is crucial for us to 901 00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:34,520 Speaker 1: point out that large scale abuse operations have occurred. Okay, 902 00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:39,000 Speaker 1: Epstein was real, that whole thing actually happened. Uh. Prince 903 00:57:39,120 --> 00:57:41,920 Speaker 1: Andrew is never going to go to jail because the 904 00:57:41,960 --> 00:57:46,120 Speaker 1: aristocrats drew the line and that level of accountability. Uh. 905 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:50,560 Speaker 1: And the Detro affair in Belgium also real, Pizza Gate 906 00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,919 Speaker 1: not real, but things like this have happened. Also, why 907 00:57:54,920 --> 00:57:57,960 Speaker 1: did the UK shut down the investigations into things like 908 00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:03,920 Speaker 1: Operation You Tree? Uh? And that creepy, creepy Jimmy Saville character, 909 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:06,720 Speaker 1: Like these things are real, but the but the Butterfly 910 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:11,600 Speaker 1: people are not part of it. They're like clearly clearly 911 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:18,480 Speaker 1: not involved. And sadly this also gets support from people 912 00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:23,200 Speaker 1: in power, from some politicians domestically, And and it's always 913 00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,880 Speaker 1: phrased in like I'm just saying kind of way, or 914 00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 1: the rhetorical device where you phrase something as a question 915 00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,000 Speaker 1: to dodge accountability for the beliefs that you are attempting 916 00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,520 Speaker 1: to propagate, often as a bad faith actor. UM. I 917 00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:40,920 Speaker 1: think it's important to bring this up because this is 918 00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:47,480 Speaker 1: an opportunity for people to exercise she exercise some empathy, 919 00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,560 Speaker 1: exercise some humanity. I've said it before and I will 920 00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:55,960 Speaker 1: say it again. Most people are incredibly intelligent if they 921 00:58:55,960 --> 00:59:00,960 Speaker 1: are given the opportunity to consider all of the facts 922 00:59:01,000 --> 00:59:04,520 Speaker 1: and all of the context. And right now, in the 923 00:59:04,560 --> 00:59:08,160 Speaker 1: world of ubiquitous information, there's a great deal of time 924 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:13,520 Speaker 1: and energy being spent on disincentivizing people from learning all 925 00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:17,040 Speaker 1: of the facts. I think we will revisit Q and 926 00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:22,120 Speaker 1: on in a future episode. Uh, and the stuff that 927 00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,200 Speaker 1: we find might surprise you. It won't be entirely a 928 00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 1: hit piece, because we rarely do things that are entirely 929 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,160 Speaker 1: hit pieces. Uh. Those are maybe fun to do and 930 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 1: they feel like very self righteous, but they also often 931 00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:40,320 Speaker 1: miss accuracy and valid points. So that is where we 932 00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,120 Speaker 1: are going to call it today. We hope you enjoyed 933 00:59:43,240 --> 00:59:47,959 Speaker 1: this week's strange News. What's your take on wordle? What's 934 00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:53,360 Speaker 1: the biggest heist you know of? Again, as always the 935 00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:56,640 Speaker 1: clarion call, feel free to send us the fruits of 936 00:59:56,640 --> 01:00:01,240 Speaker 1: your creative endeavors. We love hearing about those creative expressions. 937 01:00:01,560 --> 01:00:03,960 Speaker 1: And you know what, if we are wrong about the 938 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:08,360 Speaker 1: Butterfly Center, If for some reason the National Butterfly Center 939 01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:13,040 Speaker 1: there in Mission, Texas is indeed part of some insidious 940 01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:18,040 Speaker 1: trafficking hub, then let us know and back up those 941 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,080 Speaker 1: claims with some proof, because that is the one thing 942 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:24,160 Speaker 1: that Q and On consistently fails to do. We can't 943 01:00:24,200 --> 01:00:25,600 Speaker 1: wait to hear from you. We try to be easy 944 01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,960 Speaker 1: to find online. Hey, tell us how you feel on 945 01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,000 Speaker 1: the Internet. You can find us under the hand of 946 01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:34,880 Speaker 1: Conspiracy Stuff. 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